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6/30/2011

Weinergate: Someone Smarter Than Me: Explain Why This Is Not Possible

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:49 pm



The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer.

There really was a person who threatened the real Jennifer George, and that person pretended to be Lee Stranahan.

That person hates Lee, and Breitbart.

I have been very busy and probably don’t know all the reasons why this couldn’t possibly be the case. So tell me.

UPDATE: Point #1 could be wrong, and the theory still holds.

UPDATE x2: I’m feeling better about the theory with each passing second.

Hi, Neal!

3,765 Responses to “Weinergate: Someone Smarter Than Me: Explain Why This Is Not Possible”

  1. Maybe Neal Rauhauser could come explain to me why this could not be possible.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  2. It seems like you are poking a very vile cretin.

    JD (318f81)

  3. Vile cretins sometimes poke others and assume they will not be poked back.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  4. “Vile cretins sometimes poke others and assume they will not be poked back.”

    Patterico – I seem to recall several examples of such behavior here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  5. Neal does have all kinds of charts at his disposal.

    goatsred (b20383)

  6. So what about this theory?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  7. He is a pox on Champaign Urbana. And just generally a pox. A festering rectal fistula on the cornhole of humanity.

    JD (318f81)

  8. Could hear a pin drop.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  9. No one could find the real JG to threaten her.

    Molon Labe (cd5a15)

  10. Is it just me, or does Neal look like Q in Star Trek the Next Generation?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  11. Is there a specific reason to suspect Rauhauser? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t put this past him and his colleagues in the “Beandog” troll posse, but I’m just asking if there is any specific reason to suspect him.

    Robert Stacy McCain (04f24a)

  12. Interesting post, Patterico, But…

    What does this mean:

    “The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer.”

    Was a hoaxer means that that the person calling Lee was not Jennifer George? How do you know this? Do you know who this person is?

    “”There really was a person who threatened the real Jennifer George, and that person pretended to be Lee Stranahan.”

    Regarding the “real Jennifer George” you refer to here; Is this the jenny George in Boston? Is this the Jenny George that set up the starchild111 account?

    Oh yeah, do you know this as a fact? How?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  13. “No one could find the real JG to threaten her.”

    Molon Labe – Correction – Nobody has admitted to finding the real JG to threaten her. A big difference that you and Lee cannot seem to grasp.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  14. Isn’t Neal the one that proved that Weiner was hacked by goatsred?

    JD (318f81)

  15. 12. He’s been very interested in Weinergate, Stacy.

    Plus note his email to the California JG:

    http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    (scroll down … )

    Why’s he so interested in what is a dead story, according to him?

    Miranda (4104db)

  16. Is there a specific reason to suspect Rauhauser?

    Who said they suspect Rauhauser? I just thought he might want to explain this all to me.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  17. If I were a betting woman I’d bet that someone who knows something (like maybe a known expert on Weinergate) is ratting out Neal.

    elissa (f08e75)

  18. Elissa – he is a Weiner expert.

    JD (318f81)

  19. Everyone is getting threatened these days. What’s the world coming to? :(((((

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  20. 18. elissa

    Like maybe Ron Brynaert?

    Ron has been accusing Neal Rathauser of threatening his family as of late.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  21. Preston called the CA JG a week before anybody else noticed the Jenay thing, right?

    MayBee (081489)

  22. elissa
    Especially if that person had been receiving threats from Neal

    bmertz (d77c52)

  23. Elissa,
    Threats like these from Neal: Ron’s tweets

    Ron claimed Neal was threatening his family.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  24. I absolutley love the detective work you guys! In fact, I just got through watching an episode of Columbo with my wife. It was the episode with Richard Kiley, who plays the police chief who kills his wife after he covers for another neighbors murder. It was interesting in that most of the episode was filmed in downtown LA and Hancock Park, very little sound stage stuff. Coincidentally, it was directed by Ben Gazzara, one of Peter Falks(R.I.P.) best friends. What precisely are you trying to uncover with the emails?

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  25. Lots of threats going around in this non-story. I wish we could find out who threatened Ginger Lee.

    MayBee (081489)

  26. 15.Isn’t Neal the one that proved that Weiner was hacked by goatsred?
    JD and Mr.McCain—Yes, and he proved ,or ,put me on the “short list, of people who he knows,stalked Rep.Weiner.

    goatsred (b20383)

  27. Does Weiner still have people working on this story?

    MayBee (081489)

  28. Doesn’t Neal have Ginger Lee on his list too?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  29. 28.Does Weiner still have people working on this story?

    Comment by MayBee

    No MayBee, his people are trying to figure out where the hell HUMA went to.Antonee cant buy gwoceries without her check.

    goatsred (b20383)

  30. Wonder who threatened Patterico and Ace?

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  31. @goatsred Who leaked all that stuff to the Smoking Gun about you? Patriot?

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  32. Hey guys, gimme a little taste(a brief rundown) of all this “intrigue”. I am coming into this a little late, but I am genuinely enthralled. Sometimes I feel like a sly little elf, who should be sitting under his own private little toad stool. C’mon indulge me!

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  33. So what about this theory?

    Comment by Patterico

    I’m so confused I don’t know what I think.

    It all stopped making sense after Weiner resigned. I can’t figure a coherent strategy for the sock puppets, even with three layers of mis-direction laid on top.

    Since you propose a coherent theory for at least the answering machine death threats, I shall fall upon it with a glad cry and clutch it to my bosom.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  34. Is there a specific reason to suspect Rauhauser? Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t put this past him and his colleagues in the “Beandog” troll posse, but I’m just asking if there is any specific reason to suspect him.

    Comment by Robert Stacy McCain

    An excellent question, addressing my deep confusion.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  35. 29. bmertz, yes, Ginger Lee, Meagan Broussard Mike Stack & the real person behind Dan Wolfe – if you’re referring to NR’s email to JG.

    What Neal did on Twitter yesterday was refer to Ron’s family – as if they’d been talking to him:

    “Your judgment is impaired, Ron. Friends & family have said as much to you.” and
    “Your family is well aware of your distress, Ron.”

    I didn’t see any threats. Just sounded to me as if Simon Sinister was deliberately screwing with Ron. I was reading his tweets after seeing his email to JG on her site.

    Now he’s been tweeting about Twitter etc – he’s not his usual obnoxious self. Interesting.

    Miranda (4104db)

  36. Miranda Neal or Ron is tweeting ?

    btw, if anyone is interested about the nickname for Neal aka Simon Sinister

    bmertz (d77c52)

  37. There is no need for that.

    JD (318f81)

  38. Miranda

    What do you make of this claim? Could Neal pull that off?

    ronbryn Ron Brynaert
    @NealRauhauser blocked his tweets trying to make it harder for world to see the multiple indirect threats he made regarding my family.
    29 Jun

    bmertz (d77c52)

  39. Tamandua–see, it’s like this. Patterico has a lot of different sandboxes that people can choose to play in (or not play in) at his site. Not everybody is interested in every topic. You pulled this snarky crap on another thread yesterday, and trust me, you’re not as subtle or clever as you may think you are. You are welcome to avoid the “detective” threads you find so annoying. Nobody is forcing you to read about Weinergate if you find it all so terribly, terribly silly and amusing, you know. Or, is it an act to hide that you’re actually very interested in Weinergate?

    elissa (f08e75)

  40. #38 – Nasty. That’s just sick and stupid and wrong.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  41. Breitbart tweeted to Neal that he knew he was Dan Wolfe and that Neal should just go ahead and admit it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  42. ah ha

    bmertz (d77c52)

  43. #41 – elissa – lovely smack down.

    I’m reading as much as I can, and have decided that all I can do is plaintively ask if there’s a coherent story, yet. I wish I had any clues.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  44. I think Neal is trying to make his presence known

    bmertz (d77c52)

  45. Breitbart tweeted to Neal that he knew he was Dan Wolfe and that Neal should just go ahead and admit it.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Whoa! Really?!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  46. Hey, my friend, I am curious. I don’t enter this blog “bad-mouthing” people because they have an opinion different than my own. I try to practice charity, and though you may not approve of my somewhat off center posts, I like to think I am an interesting fellow, with something to share. I know you may not approve of me(for whatever reason) as you see everything as so dire, but trust me, lighten up just a little my friend, you may cultivate some friends down the road, (as difficult to fathom as it may seem, in your case).

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  47. #38 – Nasty. That’s just sick and stupid and wrong.

    It is a public record. It’s not sick, nor stupid, nor wrong.

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  48. Ron must have outed Neal

    bmertz (d77c52)

  49. 37. bmertz, those were Neal’s tweets, about 2 pm or so yesterday.

    http://twitter.com/#!/NealRauhauser

    You can read twitter msg’s even if you don’t have a twitter account, bmertz. I don’t have one either. I think you had mentioned before that you didn’t have one.

    Miranda (4104db)

  50. I think this is more germane question, is the Jen George in Boston who got the death threats, the Jenny George who set up the starchild111 account, used as Jenay for some time, and then changed the moniker to Nikki to punk A. Weiner’s twitter followers?

    As far as I can remember the only evidence connecting the Boston Jen George to the Jenny George= Jenay=Nikki account is the Massachusetts accent Lee noted. I just checked Lee’s notes and there wasn’t anything else that tied the phone call to the Boston Jen George? It certainly is possible that the Call to Lee claiming to be Jenifer George was someone else trying to divert and discredit Lee. And to that end Lee’s caller may have also called the Boston Jen George and threatened her.

    So I guess it is possible that the Boston Jen George is not associated with the starchild111 account, but for some reason was threatened by someone wanting to hurt Lee.

    When Lee heard of the police report from the Boston Jen George, he appears to have jumped to the conclusion that she was the person who called him and was trying to derail his investigation by falsely accusing him.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  51. Oh, you may not think that was not wrong, but you would be wrong.very wrong. Aggressively wrong.

    JD (318f81)

  52. No Elissa, the only people in this hemisphere that are as remotley enthralled with the “tragic and pathetic” mumbo-jumbo you call “Weinergate” are you and a few other cybernerds!

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  53. Tamandau – nobody is forcing you to read or comment, no?

    JD (318f81)

  54. #48

    It’s none of your business, you nasty little perv, nor anyone not needing to have the information for law enforcement or credit purposes, come to think of it!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  55. Miranda
    Thank you. I think that is the link you gave me earlier. I did go to the link you gave me. Ron sounded so frantic that I copied all his tweets into one list, and posted them onto one of the threads here. He was also offering to give a tell-all DM to any major blogger that contacted him. It looks as though he contacted Patterico.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  56. It’s none of your business, you nasty little perv, nor anyone not needing to have the information for law enforcement or credit purposes, come to think of it!
    Comment by Dianna — 6/30/2011 @ 10:03 pm

    It is my business, the guy is tweeting some pretty outrageous stuff, his criminal record is a public record. I did leave out the address.

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  57. #48 Many things will be public record soon.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  58. I can and will comment, the fact that YOU don’t approve of me is irrelevant JD. Your friend Elissa took it upon herself to start taking swings, so she gets a “haymaker” back. Quid pro quo..

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  59. You can read twitter msg’s even if you don’t have a twitter account, bmertz. I don’t have one either. I think you had mentioned before that you didn’t have one.

    yes, thanks for explaining (elissa too). I was missing most of the conversation happening off the blog. I appreciate the explanation.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  60. Alicia- what is he tweeting that you find outrageous?

    MayBee (081489)

  61. “Alicia” is yet another sick twist. Just like Rauhauser.

    JD (318f81)

  62. #48 Many things will be public record soon.

    Comment by Crispian — 6/30/2011 @ 10:07 pm

    Your point being?

    Ms. Alicia Pain (4f8afb)

  63. Thanks for removing #38. Clearly posting stuff like that doesn’t help…but I suppose that’s the point.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  64. Dianna and bmertz – I think I got Breitbart’s reference mixed up in #46 above. He was referring to Ron:

    AndrewBreibart Andrew Breibart
    @
    @NealRauhauser @ronbryn robyn, we already know ur dan wolfe, enough with the sock charade.
    29 Jun
    in reply to ↑
    Neal Rauhauser
    @NealRauhauser Neal Rauhauser
    @AndrewBreibart Beauty! Do another!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  65. Alicia = Neal

    bmertz (d77c52)

  66. I neither approve or disapprove. Elissa nailed you, and now you are predictably lashing out at everyone else. If you don’t like the topic, go on to the next one.

    JD (318f81)

  67. I deleted a comment that purported to post personal information for Ron Brynaert.

    For some reason the whole thing reminded me of the way The Smoking Gun treated Mike Stack.

    All public record to be sure.

    Hi Neal!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  68. daleyrocks

    AB is not sending it to Neal? It reads as though he is receiving it too. Or both?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  69. The Tamandua – Did you just follow your anteater nose to this blog? What brought you here?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  70. JD, I have caught your pathetic, mealy-mouthed little act on this and other blogs, you are a blight and crap stirer from way back. The only reason you hack on Yelverton so much is because he has twice the education and smarts than you will ever have. Your pathetic jealousy of him is almost embarassing to witness.

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  71. Pat,

    There’s nothing inherently impossible about your line, but it does seem a far less likely explanation. Why? Because it postulates unknown additional people, whereas Lee’s theory goes to one known person who had a motive to act as Lee suspects she did.

    The most powerful piece of evidence on the table is Lee’s history of the starchild111 twitter account. That history demonstrate or strongly suggest:

    (1) That the original creator of the account was the same person who later gave herself out as Nikki Reid

    (2) That the creator changed the account’s appearance in an attempt to get to Weiner, including using the fake avatar.

    (3) That the creator is older than Nikki gave herself out to be (due to early celebrity follows that are out of the era of a 16-year-old girl).

    (4) That the conversations with Marianela only began after the account’s purpose had been shifted to Weiner-seeking and therefore are suspect.

    That much is established.

    Now, Jenny G. filed the police report as it became evident that Lee was closing in. So there is an actor and a motive.

    Your line, other the other hand, while it does preserve the independence and integrity of John Reed, falls short by postulating additional actors with speculative motives.

    Look Pat, if Lee’s right, this person is big time into misdirection. Wasn’t it convenient that the whole John Reid twitter war with the NYT came up when it did, just as Lee was announcing his grand unified sock puppet theory? What better to discredit the theory than a real live John Reid?

    If there’s one puppeteer, all the motives and actions fit – Reid’s outburst, Alicia Pain, Jenny’s police report – they’re all increasingly desperate attempts to evade a closing net.

    What have you got? No good explanation for the starchild111 history, and a bunch of hypothetical actors driven by highly speculative motives.

    John Reid’s integrity is already suspect, why fight so hard to preserve it?

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  72. Neal was attempting to make a point and a threat of course.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  73. “AB is not sending it to Neal? It reads as though he is receiving it too. Or both?”

    bmertz – I found it in Neal’s twitter stream. Andrew addressed it to both Neal and Ron, Neal first. What I missed before was the second reference to Ron, or Robyn, as Breitbart misspells Ron’s handle.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  74. Comment by The Tamandua — 6/30/2011 @ 10:17 pm

    Geez, is anyone surprised? Very unoriginal, pedestrian and just as boring as ever.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  75. Gee Daley, I didn’t know it was your and JD’s personal blog.

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  76. I’m assuming the twitter account with Andrew’s picture on it was real. Andrew may have just been kidding around with the message. Who knows.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  77. It is my business, the guy is tweeting some pretty outrageous stuff, his criminal record is a public record. I did leave out the address.

    Comment by Ms. Alicia Pain —

    Nonsense. And, though (fortunately!) your nasty little post is gone, the address was there.

    Nasty little perv!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  78. Anyone who likes Yelverton is an abject jackass. He has an education in the piccolo or some crap like that.

    And JD is a very smart and funny guy, and it’s challenging to debate him if he is inclined to take you seriously. The reason lefties think he’s unserious is simply because he doesn’t take trolls very seriously.

    Tam, were all your other comments just fabrications? Is that what all the stupid quotations marks and effusive compliments were about?

    Because you weren’t satirical or witty there, if so.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  79. “Gee Daley, I didn’t know it was your and JD’s personal blog.”

    The Tamandua – I have made no such claims. For a Truman Democrat you have very thin skin. Are you short as well?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  80. Nonsense. And, though (fortunately!) your nasty little post is gone, the address was there.

    Nasty little perv!

    Comment by Dianna

    This is the truth. I recall it as well. I don’t know what this Alicia is, or if it’s the same one or merely a diversion, or if it’s Neal or yet another diversion. All I know is that it’s desperate for attention and unable to work up a better way of getting any.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  81. Look Daley, I likened myself to an elf. You tell me..

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  82. I’m getting an idea where this is going… oh boy

    bmertz (d77c52)

  83. #81 – Dustin – much calmer than my response. Sorry about getting a bit over-wrought. Bad day, and way too much drama.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  84. m getting an idea where this is going… oh boy

    Comment by bmertz —

    Please, tell me! I’m completely at sea.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  85. I think Neal was trying to jerk our chain. How old is this guy?
    17?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  86. Nathan Wagner,

    This theory need not *necessarily* relate to JohnReid9 in any way. That may have been a sting operation, or it may be a real person who is what he says. I offer no opinion, as is my habit.

    But everything you said about the timing can be explained by hoaxers. Everything.

    This theory does something I have seen no other do: explain the political motivation part. Because that part has confused me up until now.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  87. I missed where I claimed this was my blog. But that comment at 10:17 was epic funny.

    JD (318f81)

  88. “Look Daley, I likened myself to an elf. You tell me..”

    The Tamandua – So you are Yelverton!

    What brought you here?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  89. #81 – Dustin – much calmer than my response. Sorry about getting a bit over-wrought. Bad day, and way too much drama.

    Comment by Dianna — 6/30/2011 @ 10:26 pm

    I think you were fine. Whoever did that is a nasty person. Sorry you had a bad day. I’ve had a few lately, but today was great.

    Sock#3 (b7410e)

  90. Patterico, how many hoaxers are we talking about?

    To categorize, are we talking “internet fun” or “Holy Blood, Holy Grail”?

    Granted, that’s one to ten, but I’m trying to set some mental boundaries.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  91. Diana.. go read Ron’s tweets and his offer
    Could be..

    bmertz (d77c52)

  92. Dustin, your credibility is as vapid as JD’s when you resort to hacking on this guy Yelverton the way you do. I have yet to hear “him” say the outrageous and uncharitable things that you two hurl at him, and many others. Are you so incapable of having a spirited debate without attempting to humiliate this guy, and everyone else. Anyone who reads these posts, would think that you both are consumed with envy toward this man. It is totally disproportianate man!

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  93. Patterico, how many hoaxers are we talking about?

    Who knows? Could be one. Three. Five.

    Why do you ask?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  94. Tammy, I don’t know why in the blue hell you want to talk about that complete nutcase, Yelverton. No one on this planet cares about that loser. He trolls blogs a lot. I got him to slip up once and admit he was the troll.

    But stop talking about how much you hate JD, me, Elissa. No one gives a crap about that. Come on. Is this the best thing you can think of to contribute?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  95. Dia(n)na.. go read Ron’s tweets and his offer
    Could be..

    Comment by bmertz

    OK, I’ll try to follow the link and make sense of it. He seems even more over-wrought than I am, though.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  96. Patterico,

    Quote:

    1. The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer.

    2. There really was a person who threatened the real Jennifer George, and that person pretended to be Lee Stranahan.

    3. That person hates Lee, and Breitbart

    Well,

    1. Lee was not leaning that way based on the timing of the call he received from the person claiming to be Jenny and owning the Starchild111 account but claiming no knowlege of the Weiner story. I would have to look back at the timing but I thought Lee felt it was the correct person based on the timing of her call in relation to an email that he sent.

    2. This one is still open since we don’t know yet if Jenny is still claiming it was Lee that make threats or one of his “followers”. The whole police report needs to be confirmed. Did Lee get a copy since it involves him?

    3. Not clear that this matters since I have not seen the alleged threats against Jenny tied back to Breitbart. Well, unless we want to assume that Breitbart is a “follower” of Lee’s 🙂

    Summary, follow the sockpuppet trial until we get some additional facts on Jenny and the police report.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  97. Patterico,

    I get the sense that whoever is at the center of this is now circling the drain and will be apprehended soon. And then any rats in his ship will happily squeal rather than be charged as accessories. It would certainly behoove those people to step forward now rather than face that situation.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  98. Why do you ask?

    Comment by Patterico

    Pure, hopeless confusion. If I can start to whittle the player down to a nice, coherent list (lacking at this point, possibly because I’m reading too many sources with slightly conflicting views of events), I may begin to feel I have some sort of handle on this tale.

    Presently, it’s like a very bad post-modernist novel, complete with mis-spellings and random occurences one is supposed to regard as amusements.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  99. Rave on Dustin, the only people who would believe or subscribe to your juvenile diatribe is JD and a couple of other sycophants on this blog. Look in the mirror ..

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  100. You are clearly trying to threadjack.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  101. Why are you apparently so obsessed with me?

    JD (318f81)

  102. ____________________________________________

    That person hates Lee, and Breitbart.

    I’ve long suspected that the hoaxers or sock puppets were leftists who got into the Weinergate game in order to poke at, aggravate or mock Republicans/conservatives. Or perhaps the hoaxers got involved because they wanted to create a diversion or smokescreen for Weiner so that he’d come out of the scandal looking as good as possible.

    The possibility they were of the right didn’t seem as likely to me, if only because they, unlike many liberals, probably perceived the basic misbehavior of Weiner as being so trashy — or already pathetic enough — that any piling on wouldn’t have been considered necessary. IOW, they wouldn’t have felt a need to create additional “gotcha!” moments.

    Mark (411533)

  103. it’s like a very bad post-modernist novel

    *snicker* nailed it!

    bmertz (d77c52)

  104. Spoken like a true narcissist JD.

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  105. And then any rats in his ship will happily squeal rather than be charged as accessories.

    BINGO

    bmertz (d77c52)

  106. Like I said before, this moved beyond surreal when Rauhauser got involved. Add that to the ronbryn meltdown …

    JD (318f81)

  107. There has been a blizzard of asshattery recently.

    JD (318f81)

  108. JD – The Anteater sounds similar to Christoph to me. He was on a couple of Lee’s recent podcasts stirring sh*t about Dustin and there is no love lost between you two. He sounded like a young, fast talking, weenie boy, not like his tough commenting persona. I LOL’d.

    One of Christoph’s favorite tactics is to accuse you of what he was actually doing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  109. @ 65 that Twitter account is AndrewBreibart (minus the T). It is someone trolling around not the real Andrew B.

    Noodels (3681c4)

  110. He sounded like a young, fast talking, weenie boy, not like his tough commenting persona. I LOL’d.

    Heh. I think I heard his voice on one of those.

    I’ll check.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  111. OK, I am going to bed in aid of my goal of being a good worker in the morning.

    If anything really great breaks overnight, here’s hoping it shows up as a “breaking!” headline somewhere.

    Thanks, Patterico, for putting up with my chatter.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  112. Daley, you are either delusional or pathetically trying to save face for Dustin and JD. Which is it?

    The Tamandua (4de175)

  113. Daley – it is sad that the likes of whoever it is simply must continue to hide behind multiple names, changing ID’s, etc … They are cowardly and pathetic.

    JD (318f81)

  114. The @andrewbreibart account was started on May 15. It is designed to fool people into thinking outrageous things were said by Andrew Breitbart.

    Check out the followers and following.

    Yuh-huh.

    And the style? Getting normal people angry at someone on the right by pretending to be someone on the right, and doing something outrageous.

    Now what was the theory of my post again?

    Yuh-huh.

    Hi Neal!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  115. Noodels – Thanks. Missed that. I heard somebody was faking an account for him. I did not pick up the spelling error.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  116. Your politically motivated actor hates Lee and Breitbart. So he calls in a death threat to Jenny pretending to be Lee? That’s awfully late in the game to do that as a first action, and it explains very little of this whole saga, so you must suspect more of him – running the sock puppets as a sting. That puts us back to one actor with some misdirection by a hoaxer phoning Lee.

    Okay, that’s better.

    I’m still inclined doubt it, though, and here’s why. It’s provable Lee didn’t make that call. Trying to get at Lee that way is a boneheaded thing to do, because if you’re caught, you’re in trouble. But if you threaten yourself, the worst (practically speaking) is that you’re taken as a metal case. Less risk, greater payoff if the misdirection succeeds.

    As long as we’re speculating here, I’ll run with another line, but in a separate comment.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  117. JD,
    I think the guy was really scared of Neal.

    (Now speculating on the possible post-modern plot bunny) :

    Ron was drawn into some sort of plot (probably the sockpuppets) and then ended up being discarded by Jen Preston. Ron blows up on twitter, threatens to talk ,and then Neal tells him to shut up or face the consequences. Ron goes to Patterico

    bmertz (d77c52)

  118. “Daley, you are either delusional or pathetically trying to save face for Dustin and JD. Which is it?”

    The Tamandua – Your style is familiar and your mask is slipping. What names have you commented under here before. You can tell us. Lighten up, we’re your “new” friends after all.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  119. I’m still inclined doubt it, though, and here’s why. It’s provable Lee didn’t make that call. Trying to get at Lee that way is a boneheaded thing to do, because if you’re caught, you’re in trouble.

    Yeah. True enough.

    And I hope whoever did it DOES get in trouble. If they did.

    I have to say I find your reasoning highly, highly unpersuasive, for reasons I can’t get into right now.

    To me, this theory is highly satisfying on several levels.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  120. “Daley, you are either delusional or pathetically trying to save face for Dustin and JD. Which is it?”

    The Tamandua – The above is not a denial. Nice try.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  121. Daley – it’s attacks on Dana were way out of proportion, and show a complete lack of character and basic awareness on it’s behalf.

    JD (318f81)

  122. So here’s the other speculative line, developing the theory Lee’s hinted at.

    Politicians attract acolytes. Some of them can be obsessive and dangerous. Suppose the woman behind starchild111 was so to Weiner long before Weinergate started. Suppose she was rebuffed. Unable to follow him in her own person, she goes for the avatars, hoping to meet him for an affair or to exact revenge.

    Can we find out whether there were restraining orders against anyone following Weiner, or if security knew of any such person?

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  123. So Patterico,

    The new working assumption is that someone on the left was running a sockpuppet honey pot to catch Breitbart but it turned out the Rep Weiner really was engaging in risky internet behavior and got caught up in the honey trap?

    So then the sockpuppets had to switch plans and run a cross to drag Lee into some accused / alleged threats against someone that he appeared unable to find?

    I am truly lost on this holiday weekend. I was hoping for your latest data dump that might provide us some additional data on the who / what / when / where / why of the Reids… ;-(

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  124. All right, Pat. I’ll defer to your greater evidence.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  125. Unable to follow him in her own person, she goes for the avatars, hoping to meet him for an affair or to exact revenge.

    That one was on my top of the list ie The 800 pound lady that goes into a romance chat room

    bmertz (d77c52)

  126. Nathan, I think the identify of restraining order ‘victims’ is often confidential.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  127. Gleen Grenwald talked about himself in third person better than Yelverton the Whiner does in his thread-jacks here. Even John Hitchcock knows that.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  128. This situation is too fascinating. I can’t leave

    bmertz (d77c52)

  129. Hitch – it is always amusing when it goes all gender-bender too.

    JD (318f81)

  130. Okay, I have followed this from the beginning but had never heard of this Neal guy except I had read some of his tweets lately on Twitter.

    After much internet sleuthing (see Google search)he sure seems to fit the MO of someone who would be involved in something like this (see paid internet troll).

    Noodles (3681c4)

  131. Was Dustin right? Is it a piccolo? For some reason my recollection is that it was a flute of some sort.

    elissa (f08e75)

  132. “Daley – it’s attacks on Dana were way out of proportion, and show a complete lack of character and basic awareness on it’s behalf.”

    JD – Exactly. If anybody’s gonna attack our womynfolk it should be us. Not that they can’t defend themselves. Heh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  133. Where is Underdog when you need him?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  134. I’m taking notes for Maybee and Sarah daley!

    bmertz (d77c52)

  135. Goodnight, racists.

    JD (318f81)

  136. Goodnight, racists.

    I resemble that remark!

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  137. #129, me too, bmertz!

    It is ‘funny’ that because of the internet, a handful of crazed individuals can have such an effect. They would otherwise be so irrelevant. I suppose that is exactly the kind of person that desperately lashes out on the internet – the otherwise irrelevant.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  138. Wow. I feel kind of dumb for not knowing about “Twittergate”. I will have to read more on that tomorrow.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  139. Crispian
    The nature of the net changes status, just as it changed elections, and fortunes. The net magnifies the power of the few.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  140. Surreal

    or is it more like a Séance? I’m waiting for the rapping on the table to begin.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  141. Will Neal choose someone to start channeling to us?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  142. Patterico
    Was Wagner =Neal too?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  143. Neal Rauhauser’s tweets are now protected, I suspect his blender to be the culprit.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  144. The haunted blender? oh the horror

    bmertz (d77c52)

  145. well, this has been fascinating. But i have a life tomorrow. Goodnight all.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  146. Perhaps. I don’t want to libel his blender. Not after the way Weiner’s blender was accused. But Weiner’s blender appears to have been the only innocent party implicated in the whole affair.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  147. Night, I’ll be in search of one as well.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  148. Crispian,

    The blender was never guilty. It was only accused of being the next likely failure.

    Tivo shot. FB hacked. Is my blender gonna attack me next? #TheToasterIsVeryLoyal
    28 May

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  149. “Was Dustin right? Is it a piccolo?”

    elissa – It’s definitely smaller than a normal skin flute. His inbreeding, doncha know.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  150. Just a warning, we are about T-minus 18 hours before we hit then next weekend to have a Twitter Hack, Hoax or what not as we head into the July 4th weekend.

    Place your bets early for your favorite Sockpuppets NOW.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  151. I suspect the answer to your post is that it is eminently possible and there aren’t any good arguments, given what little I’ve seen of the details so far, to show the theory is not possible.

    But statement one and statement two don’t necessarily require any coordination or relationship between the actions. They are incidents that may or may not be related (other than a similar name being involved) but assuming a relationship without more information may well be misleading. The alleged threats against “the real Jennifer George” could be based on little more than the information on Lee’s site and this site, possibly with the sole purpose of smearing Lee, Breitbart and Patterico. By allegedly naming Lee in such a threat, the smear would have wide-ranging effects.

    Sue (24e46b)

  152. please note that the AB listed is misspelled and is a sock in those tweets. Notice no “t” in Brei”t”bart.

    freedom_costs (51c21c)

  153. 109. JD

    One of Christoph’s favorite tactics is to accuse you of what he was actually doing.

    That is Ann Coulter’s definition of a Democrat.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  154. This theory is stupid.

    The woman calling lee were lying, an innocent JG wouldn’t do that.

    So assume that the caller was a hoaxer, why not lead Lee directly to JG in MA?

    Why would an innocent JG in MA first accuse Lee for the threats and then change it to “Lee follower”.

    Was the police report also filed by the hoaxer?
    That’s a crime, and now the hoaxer has showed herself to the police.
    And why tone it down just to “lee follower” if it was a hoaxer doing the filing?

    This is like the first weiner defense “Breitbart hacked me”.

    Breitbart was the one asking for a full investigation.

    If there’s someone that really threatened JG , Lee is the person who’s the most interested to see who’s behind that.

    If there’s a third person or group out there threatening people , every honest person want them caught.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  155. 32.@goatsred Who leaked all that stuff to the Smoking Gun about you? Patriot?

    Comment by Ms. Alicia Pain — 6/30/2011 @ 9:36 pm

    Things that were leaked lead to me to certain people.But that’s a thing of the past.

    goatsred (b20383)

  156. Having just read through these comments, flame wars, misattributed quotes and conflicting recaps I’m more confused than ever. When did Ron Brynaert get involved in this?

    My gut says:

    NH = AP. Possibly more. NH seems to be the guy who pointed Smoking Gun at DW and Mike. It fits his MO.

    This post-Weiner saga will be tied up by the end of next week IMO. Certain previously-involved-in-sock puppet-Twitter-scandal people aren’t as smart as they think they are. That’s their undoing. I’m calling it now.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  157. simple neal marry
    his sister aunt pain and mom
    marry his uncle

    ColonelHaiku (e761c8)

  158. Drat
    Definitely on the wrong schedule for this but it makes great coffee reading
    Tarantella ? Tarantula?tabula rasa? They make pills for that.
    A pain? Rock. On. Don’t forget to use the kiddie scissors

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  159. John Hitchcock @ 11:06 pm wins the thread, I think.

    Chris Chittleborough (34e482)

  160. 157 coondawg68

    who is NH?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  161. 97 Joe

    1) The timing of the call Lee received was 15 to 20 mins after Lee had sent an email with his phone number to the other JG in CA saying “please call me about @starchild111.” He soon gets a call “Hi Lee, this is JG and I started @starchild111” He first took that to mean that JG in CA had received his email and called him, a logical conclusion at the moment. He said this on the radio. post hoc ergo propter hoc. He then went into detail about why this proved (90%) it was JG CA…. but that was all mistaken. He has clarified that it was not JG CA afterward a number of times. But you have to listen to his radio shows a number of times to figure out what he thought at one moment and how that changed over time.

    Turns out to have been a coincidence.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  162. If anyone can provide a soup-to-nuts time line or cast list for this melodrama? I’d appreciate it.

    RCJParry (625550)

  163. “The woman calling lee were lying, an innocent JG wouldn’t do that.”

    Temper Tantrum – Why make those assumptions?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  164. coondawg68 – You are thankfully unaware of our serial sockpuppeting visitor who has been a plague to this site.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  165. 166. Deception indicates…a deceiver.

    SarahW (af7312)

  166. We can explain anything with “that one was a fake person” (without proving that assertion) and “here’s what s/he said: these things that were true (because they fit my theory) and these things that were obviously lies (because they don’t fit my theory)”

    Thing is, truth and lies are things to be confirmed with evidence, testimony, contrary facts, conflicts, corroboration, etc., not merely with whether they fit the analyst’s current beliefs or not.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  167. koam @wittier – Are you suggesting we should modify Lee’s proof by proclamation or it’s true because you can’t prove me wrong standards? Seriously?

    That’s crazy talk!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  168. I know no one’s seen the BPD report filed by JG MA.

    But in the conversations with the detective, or on the call from JG to Lee, is it evident that the 2 messages left on JG’s answering machine were from a male?

    Lee, when detective calls you, do you discuss what JG’s story at her home was relative to the “answering machine” messages left for her?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  169. A few questions of my own:

    Where is the police paper work, has there been any attempt to retrieve it.

    There would be reports, plural – the original, attached to the follow up interviews.

    At what stage of progess is the investigation into threats against P., threats against Ace, and Mike Stack (an perhaps others unknown to me).

    Do these investigations provide any additional standing to affected persons to collect information about threats received by others?

    *************
    The report would have some description of the woman making the complaint.

    I’m not sure how redacted the reports would be – but to a detective or attorney or prosecutor seeking relevant information that could pertain to similar threats they are investigating, perhaps the reports would be available in their entirety and the Detective (Thornton?) would be willing to discuss the particulars.

    *****************

    The UCLA professor who runs writing seminars has been used as a sort of reference by Lee’s Caller/report-maker He has spoken to him, and so has Jan Preston.

    It seems logical to me that if the prof were kind enough to speak to Lee about his student JG, that he would be glad to help rule out a poser.

    Has Lee attempted to re-contact the professor?
    (I doubt)

    Has anyone asked Jan Preston if the prof more clearly established his pupil and the Boston caller are one and the same person that the information Lee has given us?

    She shouldn’t be trusted to be telling the truth on that point, ever, until there is more solid confirmation.

    Even if she is innocent and lying without need of lying, she IS a liar. So, no trust.

    SarahW (af7312)

  170. Temper Tantrum – I believe Lee is Dan Wolfe. I have seen no direct evidence to contradict this fact therefore it is proven.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  171. Also, who has an answering machine anymore? Most people use voicemail.

    Younger people usually don’t even have landlines.

    SarahW (af7312)

  172. 170 daleyrocks.
    I enjoy all that as part of the mix. It’s part of our challenge to discern facts & testimony from enthusiasm for theories. It’s all good. Gives us something to do. But you’re right, “it’s true because you can’t prove me wrong” is what we grapple with.

    But when there’s a list of notes on a particular event, you have to take each item and either support or refute it with other actual evidence from stated sources. This analysis may also be flawed but at least you’ve done the work.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  173. “The report would have some description of the woman making the complaint.”

    SarahW – If somebody is actually in touch with that woman, perhaps she could be persuaded to release a copy of the police report.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  174. “Also, who has an answering machine anymore? Most people use voicemail.”

    Guilty!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  175. 165. If anyone can provide a soup-to-nuts time line or cast list for this melodrama? I’d appreciate it.

    Maybe we can set up a wiki. One person starts, lists a few things and other people add or correct things.

    Find old messages and posts.

    Reading this over and over leads to new insights, and that should be done. It is important to go over and over all of this again and again. If you missed something after 100 times, you might gain an insight on the 101st time, especially if you now have new information.

    While doing this, you might want to temporarily assume various things and see where this gets you.

    Maybe you could get a Talmudic scholar or a Ph.D in history to take a shot at solving this.

    One thing:

    There have to be at least 3 hoaxers, for two separate reasons:

    1> At one point, Nikki, Marianela, and John2487 (whi was renamed to Juan_Dodgers) held a twitter conversation about a baseball game. (This needs verification)

    Q. What baseball game and who else was talking about that baseball game at the same time?? Does anyone have them?

    As a start, my speculation would be that JANE AUSTEN (the person who originally established the starchild111 account, but turned it over to LILY sometime around the time OPERATION WEINER SCHNITZEL was conceived) keyboarded Marianela, LILY was Nikki, and I would guess that REMBRANDT (aka seattle545?) was John2487.

    REMBRANDT was the “painter”, but not necessarily the uploader, and certainly not the original author, of the fake twitter messages between RAW (Weiner) and SNOOPY.

    SNOOPY is the person now trying to find out the true identity of John Reid, whom she thinks is the RED BARON, but may really only be SOCKREID.

    Earlier, before the scandal broke, SNOOPY was trying to uncover who really was starchild111 and in general, determine what was going on.

    2> The second set of screencaps that seattle545 posted (on June 20) don’t make too much sense unless you assume at least three people were involved:

    1) An original author – who wrote and emailed in or faxed the dialogue.

    2) A screen painter, who got started the wrong way.

    3) The screen painter’s boss, or his bosses’s boss, who got the screen painter to post them before they were ready and while they were in a completely wrong and mixed up order (which he did not know.

    I can’t think that all this has been done by one person, and there is at least one female voice involved. Could one person have done both the JG threat, and Mrs. Patricia Reid? Did anyone speak to both of them?

    Perhaps any males may be afraid their voice(s) might be recognized, especially if taped and widely circulated.

    Sammy Finkelman (907727)

  176. 174 SarahW

    (I get my voice messages transcribed by google voice into emails and text messages, so I hardly have to even listen to them, unless I need to clarify something that the transcription got wrong)

    Yes I agree and we were discussing “who still has answering machines?” earlier. Someone who lives with mom & dad, maybe?

    It could have been a paraphrase by JG or Lee. “Playing Telephone” as it were. If JG’s early 20s then maybe the term “answering machine” is more hardwired into Lee’s brain (device that came of age in his generation) and it’s just his default term for anything that records messages. But it could be either or neither.

    Or maybe there’s an answering machine (or voicemail). If so, a record. We need that.

    If she got 2 death threats and deleted them and then went to cops, well then she deserves not to be believed. But no one has told us if that’s what happened or not.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  177. koam @wittier – There you go with that generation bashing stuff. I’m just too old to understand this stuff, I guess. Heh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  178. daleyrocks, you’re just BS:ing right.

    If someone really were threatening JG why would she call Lee first before she even called the police, and lie to him.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  179. Points to note – who has talked to people on phone?

    Tommy (real person) talked to female(s). He still hasn’t said if it was both Patricia and Nikki or not. (Were there two voices that Tommy believed to be two people? Did TC talk to Marianela?)

    Lee & Preston (real people) talked to female JG MA.

    JG MA (real person who filed BPD report) claims answering machine messages received, presumably from a male threatener.

    JG MA who called Lee, same as above or not, presumably got message from male threatener

    Who else has talked to people on phone? (Pat?, Mike?…not to our knowledge. Ron? anyone?)

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  180. More:

    Professor & Wife (real people) know JG MA, a female

    BPD desk officer & BPD Detective (real people) both met face-to-face with JG MA a female

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  181. “daleyrocks, you’re just BS:ing right.”

    Temper Tantrum – Using established Stranahan standards of proof, I believe Lee is Dan Wolfe. There is no direct compelling evidence proving otherwise. Prove me wrong.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  182. Koam , didn’t Tommyx just talk to the “mother”?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  183. Lee, what is the timing of these events?

    – the 6/19 teary call you received from a JG
    – That same has JG call(s) with Preston
    – your 6/20 radio show in which you describe call details
    – any internet posts, comments, tweets etc. that you made regarding receiving call from JG
    – A real JG from Boston files police report at BPD precinct.

    In short, how much info, if any, was out there on your radio show and online from you regarding the JG call you received before the real JG MA filed the report at BPD?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  184. Which lies that Lee attributes to his JG MA caller are concretely lies, supported by facts?

    – The caller says she’s not following politics, doesn’t recognize Weiner story other than through entertainment TV shows, but the prof says she’s very liberal. Someone can be very liberal and not follow politics or watch news over entertainment. The prof’s assessment is subjective and this area doesn’t amount to a concrete lie.

    – Lee says that JG MA said she is/was in LA and is/was a student at UCLA. Did the prof say that JG MA only attended his retreats and she never attended UCLA? Did he say he only knows her from his out-of-state retreat home? That would be a factual conflict from her very own “proving I’m a real person” contact. But we don’t have the specifics on that.

    So which are the JG MA lies that are proven by facts rather than assertions?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  185. I have an answering machine! It just seemed easier when we moved to deal with that than to figure out who to do what for whichever phone bundle we were going to purchase. I hardly get any calls on my landline that are worth any effort.

    MayBee (081489)

  186. 185. Temper Tantrum

    Tommy did describe talking to the mom, Patricia Reid. In supposedly clarifying follow up articles, Colby Hall, Tommy’s editor, says that Tommy had extensive email and telephone contacts with these sources (Patricia, Nikki, & Marianela).

    I don’t believe that it clear from the phrasings in the Colby/Tommy “we were fooled, but that’s ok, we’re not stupid” articles whether Tommy feels like he talked to more than one female or not,

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  187. 181. temper

    We need a more solid timeline of those events. The sequence in which we all learn of events isn’t necessarily the sequence of when they happened.

    The Detective called Lee some days after the report was filed at the precinct.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  188. Gaaah!

    I spent some time yesterday trying to draw the scenario that if a professor of mine was called long distance by a policeman or by a journalist and was asked if he had ever had an elissa as a past student–the prof would say truthfully, “why, yes I did”. But in no way would the prof’s statement prove that the person standing in front of the policemen, or the person who had called the journalists claiming to be elissa was the same real elissa person the prof actually had taught in class.

    Ergo, unless a picture identification of some sort was shared and compared between the policeman and the prof (or better yet with the school’s repository of student ID photos), then the prof’s statement is utterly meaningless. If such an ID comparison DID take place then that needs to be stated as fact–as evidence. Was it? I think this point is a question many people have but is a question that never quite seems to get answered. Knowing this would surely help in determining with more certainty what lies “JGMA” is/is not telling.

    elissa (961c7a)

  189. koam, I think one reason Lee got this “single person sock puppet master” theory is because he only heard about one woman talking to Tommyx, the “mother”.
    If there were many women ( real ones on phone ) behind those twitter identities , it would falsify his theory.
    It would also make it less plausible that it’s a conspiracy.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  190. Koam…

    Tommy only spoke to Patrica Reid by phone according to John Reid’s answer:

    “There were phone calls with Tommy and my wife, there were emails with Tommy and Nikki andTommy and my wife, There were twitter DM’s with Tommy and Nikki. Other media tried to contactNikki but Tommy was a good hearted person, we trusted him.”

    Which correlates to NYT fake ID story
    http://nyti.ms/iGUfHt

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  191. elissa- I agree

    MayBee (081489)

  192. “koam, I think one reason Lee got this “single person sock puppet master” theory is because he only heard about one woman talking to Tommyx, the “mother”.”

    Temper Tantrum – Exactly why it would be helpful to diagram who has communicated with whom and via what medium, phone versus electronic. Saying the same person talked to Jen Preston adds nothing if we don’t have verified ID.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  193. Throwing out an idea:
    Could Neal be the Sockpuppet master?
    What about the possibility that the different sockpuppets were members of the Bean Posse Trolls? J in MA could be a member. Records show that NR had women among his attack troll staff. He could still be the Sockpuppet Master playing personalities, but he had minions to draw from as well. At least to provide a female voice.

    Sherlock (d77c52)

  194. Temper Tantrum – Lee may get upset with people here questioning his conclusions, but I don’t think he has been writing here long enough to understand that among the regulars, and certainly I see it with some of the newcomers, there are people with experience and skills with which he is unfamiliar in investigating fraud and other activities or just logical ability that are not convinced he’s got everything pinned down.

    It’s not a slam on Lee, it’s a function of experience. Lee has been incredibly doggedf and patient in pursuing this story.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  195. daleyrock, my feeling is that Tommyx and Jen aren’t very cooperative, or worse. They hoped for the VRWC to show up.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  196. Elissa, and Maybee it is a loose end and one that’s been driving me to distraction, not because I’m set on some theory that JGcaller is not JGstudent.

    All I get in response to questions about it is “who would do that” and circular logic as proof.

    SarahW (af7312)

  197. #195

    From what I can recall:

    Eliminating JG-CA phone calls and regarding phone calls

    – LG with MA accent spoke with Stranahan and preston
    – Patricia Reid Spoke with Tommy

    Personally, more revealing at this stage for me to keep track of those “involved” that have not spoken on the phone:

    -Nikki
    -John Reid
    -Marianela
    -Marianela’s parents (don’t recall ANY contact)
    -Alicia Pain (obviously)
    -Seattle545
    -Patriot

    May have missed some

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  198. SarahW , the reason I think JG caller is JG student is because she was making evasive lies talking to Lee, because she got something to hide.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  199. Agreed, Sarah. It’s an excellent thing to be distracted about.

    “Who would do that?” always seems like such a logical way to think, except people do really nonsensical things all the time.

    MayBee (081489)

  200. Of Course, also Gennette has spoken on phone and “interviewed” in person

    And of course the weiner sexting woman that have come forward have as well

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  201. Temper Tantrum @198 – Agreed. Lee is also being overly defensive of JP and Tommy X IMHO.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  202. Maybee and SarahW–thank you. Yes, we (and others too) have been bringing up this issue in various ways and on multiple threads for days now. Part of what has been so frustrating about it for me is that I still cannot tell if the question/concern/logic about ID verification is just not getting through–or whether it is purposely being ignored for some reason.

    elissa (961c7a)

  203. I know I keep harping on this, but for all the deviousness there really didn’t seem to have been much of a strategy.

    MayBee (081489)

  204. Maybee, but the person who called Lee had some very specific information.It would make the story even more complex.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  205. Elissa, the police who filed the report should have a verified identity.Dont know if that’s public information.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  206. 208. TT
    presumably 1 of at least 2 police who met JG MA in person confirmed that she is who she says she is via license or address info, etc.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  207. 199 SarahW

    see my 187. I’m not saying “who would do that?” I agree with you: we need to know what lies are proven in JG call. Lee labels half of conversation as lies. But we need harder evidence that some of them are actual, proven lies.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  208. “I know I keep harping on this, but for all the deviousness there really didn’t seem to have been much of a strategy.”

    MayBee – That is the strategy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  209. On Lee’s Blog talk Radio show last nite he said:

    ‘NY Times reporter Jen Preston talked by phone with the Boston Jenny George and got the name of the screen writing professor from her. Preston called him and talked to him and his wife. At that point Preston tried to shut down the whole investigation, claiming the professor’s website was faked and he may have been related to the Sockpuppet posse and possibly the Yessmen or Anonymous. So Lee decided to call the professor and claims “everything checked out,” relating to the professor’s legitimacy and what he said about the Boston Jenny George. Lee believed Preston’s decision to not follow up was the result of contact with Ron Brynaert and, “A bunch of other people.”’

    To me, the important information here, which I had not heard before, is that Preston called and talked to the Boston Jenny George. That discussion is where Lee got the contact info for the UCLA Professor. Many of the facts garnered by Jen Preston in her conversation with JG coincide with the information provided by the person claiming to be Jenny George that called Lee. Such that the accent Lee noted and her claim that she was originally from Massachusetts was consistent with the fact that Preston called a Jenny George in Boston; the spelling of the first name, Jenny; the connection to the UCLA screenwriting program.

    To me, it is very likely that the person who called Lee claiming to be the Jenny George who set up the starchild111 account, is the same person that Jen Preston called in Boston- Maybe Lee can provide even more corroborating evidence. This makes Patterico’s first hypothetical- The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer- very unlikely. I think it is very reasonable to conclude at this point that the Boston Jenny George set up the starchild111 account and is Jenay=Nikki=JohnReid9 , among others (The Sockpuppet posse).

    Lee also appeared last nite on Larry O’Connor Stage Right Show. O’Connor said, ” … that Content of death threats to Jenny George sounded almost identical to death threats to Patterico.” This I had not heard before. The threats to the Boston Jenny George were reported to Lee by her in her call to him, but not detailed, yet the threats to Patterico were made after JG’s call to Lee. There was no public knowledge of the details of both threats until JG filed her police complaint. If O’Connor is correct in his characterization that both threats sounded almost identical, that means the same person made both threats. At this point I believe that there is not enough evidence available to this forum to even suggest whetehr JG made the threats to herself and to Patterico, or someone else made the threats to both Patterico and JG- of course there seems to be other facts floating around that people have not yet disclosed.

    If it were JG making threat to herself and Patterio, that would tie things up into a nice neat package. If it were someone else, that creates the problem, noted earlier by Nathan Wagner, of introducing an additional actor. It also creates a motive problem. That is, Patterico and the commenters on his forum seem to be moving towards unmasking the Boston Jenny George as the Sockpuppre Posse. That makes JG and Patterico antagonists. Why would someone be threatening them both?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  210. “To me, it is very likely that the person who called Lee claiming to be the Jenny George who set up the starchild111 account, is the same person that Jen Preston called in Boston”

    lamchopsl – I don’t believe anybody has been disputing this. Did not Lee encourage Boston Jenny to call Jen Preston? It proves nothing. Same person or hoaxer talked to both Lee and Jen. So what?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  211. I concur with daleyrocks.

    So far about the JGMA person it sounds like we only have Stranahan’s say-so. I am absolutely not saying he is lying. But until that person’s identity is independently confirmed – not via phone without reference to a face by both sides – I don’t treat it as the unadulterated truth.

    And we have Preston apparently saying the professor is fake? Have we confirmed that not to be the case? I don’t think Preston would need to make that up merely to get out of investigating.

    Again, all due respect to Stranahan, but we need to get concrete verification. At the moment, the identity of JG does not conflict with Patterico’s theory.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  212. I haven’t followed comment threads closely enough to be sure no one has proposed this, but wouldn’t a simple explanation be that there are two separate sock-puppet masters, each with different agendas?

    1. JG in Mass creates Starchild account to follow and try to get attention from various celebrities. She becomes interested in Weiner because she sees him on television, changes Starchild to Nikki account to try to get his attention just because he’s a minor celebrity and she likes him. She fishes for Genette, who, being more internet savvy, realizes Nikki is fake but goes along (normal way to try to get attention from someone on Twitter or FB is to try to work up ladder of friends). She’s not trying to get Genette to give away anything about sexting, because she doesn’t suspect it, but just wants attention from minor celebrity Weiner.

    When scandal hits, she wants to help out “her” guy and realizes that a high-school girl who can testify to Weiner’s being a gentleman is useful. She invents the whole Reid family, etc., and is trying to support Weiner until she realizes she is in over her head.

    2. Patriot is a sock for someone who is wants to trap the “right” into something stupid. He’s hoping to get Breitbart to bite on a manufactured story about Weiner that can then be turned into an embarrassment.

    Why Weiner? Because people reading his tweets / following on FB realized he followed attractive young women. JG (as Nikki) wants to be one of them. The bornfree crew thinks he’s a sleaze. Patriot thinks that the right wing has gone overboard and sees an opportunity to set a trap for overzealous right wing.

    This all gets so complicated because it turns out the Weiner actually _is_ sexting people.

    (maybe Weiner’s tweet to Genette wasn’t because he mistook @ for D, but rather that he was chatting with 2 people at once and put the dick-pic in the wrong tweet. The tweet to Genette was intended to be public but include no pic–just letting everybody know he’s on TV, but in “modest” way. The dick-pic was intended to go into a different chat window to other sexting partner).

    I’m sure there are flaw with this line of reasoning, but it does seem like a simpler story line than some being proposed.

    Wondering (cf5138)

  213. Well said, Crispian.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  214. 213. daleyrocks

    It was my understanding that Jen Preston called and verified Jenny George’s identity separately. Keep in mind that the JG who called Lee claimed she lived in CA and the JG Preston spoke with was confirmed to be in Boston.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  215. I think that’s possible, but doesn’t change how to proceed in confirming that theory. The most dangerous thing would be to assume veracity of facts that would limit how to proceed (eg assuming JG is exactly who she is claimed to be).

    Crispian (70c05e)

  216. daleyrocks , if the police has verified an Id and address, it should be possible to unravel this.
    If JG MA is innocent , it should be possible to trace the threats.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  217. Who sent the gym photos to the NE?

    SusanT (355042)

  218. lamchopsl,

    I missed that part where Lee said Jen Preston tried to shut down the investigation, she was looking for the VRWC so she probably didn’t like what she heard.

    If Preston verified JG MA:s ID, I understand how Lee can be so sure.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  219. 215. Wondering

    Re: #2., if Patriot was trying to punk the right, why did he send the dicpic to Breitbart, destroying A. Weiner?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  220. lamchopsl,

    Might depend on Gennette’s honesty in this affair. Perhaps the “best laid plan” wasn’t realistically conceived.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  221. 221. Temper Tantrum

    Lee seems to be insinuating that Preston has ulterior motives. I think he said as much on O’Connor’s show. He’s suggesting that the NY Times and Preston don’t want to let the story get out if it shows that A. Weiner was done in by a liberal woman. Plus, preston and the NY Times have already declared the Weiner grinders to be part of the VRWC.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  222. Number 212:

    On Lee’s Blog talk Radio show last nite he said:

    ‘NY Times reporter Jen Preston talked by phone with the Boston Jenny George and got the name of the screen writing professor from her. Preston called him and talked to him and his wife. At that point Preston tried to shut down the whole investigation, claiming the professor’s website was faked and he may have been related to the Sockpuppet posse….

    Well, it is an obvious suspicion that the Profeessor could be a KAOS agent. Now Jennifer Preston is saying that.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  223. The professor isn’t fake. She thought his writer-colony website might have been a phony.

    Hoax websites have bindun so, the obvious questions is what might Jan Preston know that I don’t that tipped her to a hoax site.

    The profs site is old though. Really old, at least ten years old, and in the wayback, and the contents have evolved very gradually and it is still essentially the same (with updates) as it has been in recent years.

    In other words, the only way it is fake is if it has been hijacked, and there is no sign of that. The prof is still living. He can be contacted through UCLA for confirmation, too, (which I wish someone would do – though I won’t be doing it) and his phone numbers haven’t changed over the years

    His website is an external source on his wiki page, and just a cursory check of Wikipedia updates show that same site was linked on the wiki at LEAST as far back as 2006 when an update to its formatting on the wiki page was done.

    The who is conceals the owner of the site, and it was recently updated, but one is common and the other necessary to keep the domain name. And the site hasn’t changed in any significant way, not that I can detect.

    So he’s real and his website it real.

    Someone should talk to him in person, in the flesh, or through UCLA, just in case he’s in Europe and has mischievious house sitter taking his calls.

    SarahW (af7312)

  224. Re: #2., if Patriot was trying to punk the right, why did he send the dicpic to Breitbart, destroying A. Weiner

    Outside of Lee’s jilted lover theory- and going back to the theory on Weiner’s future NYC democratic opponent . Some democratic group could be ridding themselves of their future opponent, OR someone in the Democratic party saw Weiner as a future MESS that would eventually explode and hurt their party. The info on Weiner was already out there, so there was going to be some sort of scandal. So why not do a controlled explosion before the NYC election for mayor?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  225. ==It was my understanding that Jen Preston called and verified Jenny George’s identity separately==

    Lamchops–Do you have any insight you can share with us as to exactly how and who Jen Preston called and “identified Jenny Goerge’s identity separately”? If so, please share it.

    elissa (961c7a)

  226. lamchopsl,

    Ulterior motives explains tommyx and Jen Prestons behavior. Why dont these “big J jornos” follow up on this story , it’s intriguing, but they just dropped it.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  227. @Sarah

    Someone should talk to him in person, in the flesh, or through UCLA, just in case he’s in Europe and has mischievious house sitter taking his calls.

    When professors leave town for a sabbatical to go out of the country they will often do a house trade with another professor needing a temporary house. Sometimes they just switch houses from their different locations while they conduct research,
    OR
    They ask a graduate student to house-sit for them.

    Trivia info if you are interested.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  228. Crispian – Thanks. Remember, Boston Jenny called Lee on a blocked number and the big deal Lee and others have made about nobody being able to track her down. JP did not call Boston Jenny. It was the reverse at Lee’s suggestion if I am recalling correctly. If Boston Jenny kept her story straight between the two calls, it adds nothing to our body of information.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  229. 201. TT, that doesn’t follow. Yes, JGcaller/threatreporter is a liar. It does not then follow that she is JGstudent, one does not suggest the other.

    In fact, the lying and sock-tropes employed by JGcaller are what makes the claim of identity even more suspect.

    A poser, who lies, and forged bios and even ID, would not have a lot more compunction about using someone else’s identity as a screen.

    SarahW (af7312)

  230. It was my understanding that Jen Preston called and verified Jenny George’s identity separately.

    lamchopsl – Remember the PROOF nobody can find Boston Jenny? No sale.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  231. “Lee seems to be insinuating that Preston has ulterior motives.”

    SHOCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  232. “They ask a graduate student to house-sit for them.”

    bmertz – Yup, you had to there. Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  233. 228. elissa

    None, other that the way Lee characterized the conversation between Preston and JG. But…

    Lee had no way of knowing JG lived in Boston, in fact she told him she lived in CA.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  234. 233. daleyrocks

    It is my understanding that the Boston police department took a complaint and interviewed Jenny George, in Boston.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  235. lamchopsl,

    Yes, that is all of our “understanding.” But our understanding is not proof.

    We’re still waiting on verification of JG’s identity.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  236. 238. Crispian

    This is Lee’s description of his interaction with the Boston Police detective:

    http://leestranahan.com/jenny-george-files-police-report-accusing-me-of-making-threats-against-her

    What exactly do you consider to be, “verification of JG’s identity”?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  237. Who else has talked to people on phone? (Pat?, Mike?…not to our knowledge. Ron? anyone?)

    Nobody…Tried to get Patriot on the phone many times to no avail.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  238. I mean, who she is, not just that she exists. We can assume that the police confirmed her identity. Sounds like a reasonable assumption. But beyond that we really don’t know. She is appparently not the JGCA with a background as described by JGMA on the phone to Lee. So who is she? Beyond a name on a police report?

    Crispian (70c05e)

  239. daleyrocks,

    We dont know what type of information Preston got from JG to ID her. Lee’s challenge to find her was very early , there was a blog where her name was published , I dont remember what’s it called.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  240. 240. goatsred

    My hypothesis is that the reason Patricia Reid spoke with Tommyx on the phone is that the Sockpuppet Posse Master is a woman. She couldn’t represent herself as John Reid. If the person behind Dan Wolfe is a woman, then she cannot talk with anyone on the phone with out revealing her gender.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  241. I am sorry if it looks like I’m singling out specific individuals who I’m sure are commenting here in good faith just so I can try to make this point–again– but statements like:

    “Lee characterized…”

    “…it was my understanding that..”

    “the police who filed the report should have a verified identity”

    presumably 1 of at least 2 police who met JG MA in person confirmed..”

    just are not all that helpful in moving the story forward at this stage of the game when actual, irrefutable facts are what people are really looking for.

    elissa (961c7a)

  242. 232 SarahW. But I dont see the need for a ID thief to be evasive. Why lie you’re in CA if you’re a sock but give the real professor?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  243. 244. elissa

    I understand your frustration, but there are no irrefutable facts. period. Not in this universe. There are only degrees of certainty.

    Maybe Lee made that Boston detective story up from whole cloth. Even if it was confirmed by someone else, maybe they are conspiring with Lee. It happened to Tommyx. Someone created the JohnReid9 account and the Mark Alecia account 30 minutes apart and 24 hours after the Weiner story broke. Within a few hours these two accounts were used to punk Tommy by seemingly confirming each other’s story.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  244. neal is from iowa. the fbi just raided the home of another iowan, suspected of being a lulzsec member. that person, laurelai bailey also goes by wesley baily and is a pre-surgical transgender. could neal know laurelai? laurelai is a male going female and may sound female on the phone. just a weird iowa coincidence perhaps.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  245. nancy drew–

    interesting. link?

    elissa (961c7a)

  246. Last Night’s Radio Stranahan
    you can skip the first 20 mins to get to the Jen Preston discussion.

    According to Lee, Preston calls the professor to verify JG’s identity. Preston then calls Lee and says

    “I had mentioned that JP had gotten the name from JG in Boston of the screenwriting Prof. who she’d studied with so she contacted the prof and as i mendtioned before she (JP) talked to him talked to his wife, they both knew because she’d (JG MA) taken classes w teacher not at UCLA but elsewhere. THye said that they knew who she was and I thought that ended it.

    “So here’s the part that i’ve hinted at but haven’t talked about it. I thought next step was NY Times would track down this Jennifer George person and we’ll get at the truth. So what happened was, I got a message from Jen Preston saying:

    ‘I think that we’ve been punked by the UCLA professor and I think it’s been a huge waste of time’

    Lee continues, “I was very curious about this of course because she talked to the prof and I thought some important new fact had been gleaned. Something new and big was going on. So I called her (JP) and I said

    ‘What’s going on? What’s happening? What did you learn?’

    And Jen Preston said: ‘Lee, I just think we’ve been punked on this whole thing.’

    And I said ‘Ok, really? well, why?’

    Because I thought she’d learned something. Like “oh it didn’t check out or the number was wrong.” (this is what Lee imagines Jen P was gonna say)

    And she says: “You just have no idea how deep this goes.

    And I said, “What actually happened?”

    And she said, “I don’t know that his (the prof’s) website is real.”

    [ His website that Preston “suspects” may not be real.

    Google search for Lew Hunter Screenwriting]

    Lee: “And I was like, well, what do you mean? Because I’ve been to his website and it was real (chuckles) It was, it was real (chuckles more).”

    And she was like

    “I don’t even know if it’s real. I don’t even know who who I’ve talked to. These groups that are doing this sockpuppet stuff, you have no idea what they’re capable of. They can fake entire sites. The can get people… “

    Lee: “And I’m just like whoa, whoa, wait a minute, what are you talking about? why do you think that this has happened? do you have some proof?”

    And she’s like: “Lee, you have no idea how deep these things can go. Groups like Anonymous or the Yessmen, they are really capable, they could fake identities.”

    And I say “but YOU called the professor. Right? You looked up the number yourself and you called him and talked to him and his wife, correct?”

    And she’s like, “yeah”

    Lee: “well how could that be fake? (laughs) how could…”

    And she goes, “Look, this goes much deeper than that. “

    Lee: “Well, do you care if I call?”

    She says: “Go ahead; feel free to call.”

    Lee: “I hadn’t wanted to call in because I didn’t want to impose on the person because they’re teaching classes..etc…. so I called in and it checked out. But it made me feel like…and this is why I brought this up…because I like Jen in a lotta ways and I like working with her in a lotta ways and then when I saw this stuff that Ron Brynaert was saying the other day, I thought ‘well, this is sorta beyond the pale.’ Like obviously she’s been talking to Ron and a bunch of other people and rather than tell me she like “I’m talking to different sources and some of them think this and some of them think that…” she had
    bought into this idea to the point to where she wasn’t pursuing things with Jennifer George.
    Even she knew there were lies that Jennifer George had told. And I think that this happening has caused real problems for people. This lack of follow-up caused problems for people. ’cause I think that after that probably, right around that time, Jen George went into the police station and filed a report that I was the person who left death threats. So to me there was a level of credulity (sic) that had been dropped. And my wife was like “this is a reporter from the NYTimes? Why are they buying into this? ” So that’s part of the explanation. Part of what led up to it. …

    “The reason the info about the prof was dropped was there was this belief that the entire website may have been faked. And I tried to tell Jen (Preston) “there’s no way this web site is faked. I’ve heard who this is. ” but even now there’s this theory being floated by some people that there’s some big conspiracy going on that’s much deeper than what it is. and that’s why I say when I heard that the police had visited Jen George in Boston, and that/had confirmed a bunch of things,including that she was in MA, which the screenwriting prof had told us, I was like “well that really sorta changes things.” so anyway, that’s that bit of the story . I’ll probably write it up at some point.

    (Please do, Lee.)

    The part about Preston having Lee’s radio show edited by the CEO of Blog Talk Radio (related to the conversation in which Lee learns from Jen Preston that Prof may have thought JG could be “troubled”)

    “She was like, ‘Oh, you can’t have that up there.’ Asked me if I could and would take it down. I say I dunnow how. She calls CEO of BTR and gets it done.” (paraphrased) Lee says to CEO “I don’t think it needs to be taken down but I’m not arguing at this point.” Preston selects 20 seconds to delete and CEO gets it done.

    So the question is does Jen Preston really entertain the idea that Lew Hunter is a fake person with a fake website? Or has she crafted this excuse just for Lee in hopes that he’ll bite at the story? (To his credit, Lee laughs at the contention.) Does it say what she thinks of Lee? Is Jen Preston spinning false tales to the bloggers now (we’ve seen how she schmoozes her interview candidates) …or does she really buy into the conspiracy theories? (Not that there couldn’t be some conspiracy…but Lee is correct that Lew Hunter isn’t a fake person with a fake website, a fact that should be very obvious to the “NY Times reporter on Technology, Social Media in Politics, Government – and real life”) Did Lee get her drift or not get her drift…was she giving him codewords and hints for his safety?
    Why did she want him to back off so badly?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  247. @daleyrocks

    Comment by daleyrocks — 7/1/2011 @ 12:13 pm

    Right. They have been hit up to walk dogs and serve the bar too. lol

    Or, help them set up their web pages

    I caught part of a discussion about hijacking web pages /kidnapping?? theory. I didn’t read enough to understand the entire meaning, so I may have misunderstood. It triggered this thought ( you’ll have to forgive me, I have a tendency to toss ideas around ) :

    In that sort of trading houses/house-sitting situation, not only would another professor or a grad student have access to the home, if they are hackers they could also gain access to the desktop computer left at the house. A number of older professors still use desktops and are not computer or web savvy. There is well-known dinosaur that still uses a typewriter and hand writes his notations.

    Ok getting back to the point, if the UCLA professors were out of town, that would also allow their house-sitter to answer the phone to speak to a reporter.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  248. http://gawker.com/5816291 Here’s just one link. I googled both neal and laurelai bailey and discovered the iowa links. they are both in the same business, both ruthless, both extreme leftist and seems like a “fixer” might be in sync ideologically as someone who is part of anonymous and the more militant lulzsec. they see themselves as fixers too. Iowa isn’t that big to have so much internet hacking talent on such an epic scale as these two.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  249. daleyrocks
    #250
    That was in reference to SarahW’s comment that someone needed to verifiy if the UCLA couple were actually in town and at their home. It is summer.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  250. after reading the lee/jen convo, my suspicions of a link grow more credible. Neal is a very bad and dangerous man. he’s worked on many democrat campaigns and refers to himself as a fixer. maybe he’s part of anonymous too.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  251. 249. koam @wittier

    Great job with that transcript. I was way too lazy to do that. You are a better man than I- even if you happen to not be a man.

    It’s possible Preston is dumb enough to think she could convince Lee that it was a “fake” website, but I consider it unlikely. I consider it much more likely that she was told to back of by her editor. And not for some vast death-hacker threat to the safety of the solar system, but because the editor and the Times do not want to spend any resources pursuing a story that will refute a previously made perfectly good smear against the Right, while at the same time show that A. Weiner was laid low by a liberal woman. I think the editor told her to back off, and like a good little minion, she backed off.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  252. read up on neal as much as you can. i think he’s the guy making all of the threats and has told jen to shut it down or else. he’s always referring to his connections. go read RonBryn’s twitter. Wow….

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  253. @surreal#253 re: Neal’s Hitlerian Rant

    Congressman Anthony Weiner was stalked, set up, smeared, and this was coordinated to protect Clarence Thomas from scrutiny…Brietbart’s criminal activities

    LMAO Is he serious?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  254. I mean..if hillary and bill are as close to weiner as has been described, don’t you think they are the best folks to know a well known democrat fixer like neal, to fix weiner’s problem? Maybe thats why weiner was reported to have called bill – to apologize to bill??? Hah! think not…it was to get a fixer hired. Wallah! the fake story to tommy xtopher, the fake story to jen and the NY times…Bill and Hill know a lot of fixers and lots of democrats are on record as having hired neal. Hmm? Perhaps? that would be pretty dangerous to unearth wouldn’t it?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  255. 255 lamchopsl

    GenderAnalyzer said that i’m 93% man, fwiw.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  256. I encourage you to read the link to the daily kos above. that article was written by neal. he included language that anonymous uses to threaten. It is their code. neal said he was given this language to pass along. Then, look at the picture attached. It’s anonymiss, as in female. Is that laurelai bailey helping neal write that aricle?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  257. that article makes it clear that at least neal was following weiners project to destroy justice thomas. were they working together? looks like neal was trying to create plausible spin, to FIX weiners problem. i hope lee does not back down on this. could be another big scandel worthy of a book. very spy novelish.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  258. Could that article at Kos be what JP@NYT is running scared from/by?

    surreal (7a67da)

  259. 251. nancydrew

    Iowa isn’t that big to have so much internet hacking talent on such an epic scale as these two.

    LOL! best laugh I’ve had today. Although I hope for your sake that the intrepid Iowahawk does not get wind of your sentiments.

    On a related topic, I noticed that Neal RAThauser (AKA Simon Sinister) made his twitter feed protected this morning. it was not so last nite.

    http://twitter.com/#!/NealRauhauserhttp://twitter.com/#!/NealRauhauser

    How delicious it would be if the FBI swooped in and arrested him for all these death threats. But alas, life never seems to turn out so perfectly.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  260. oh and then you get to the bottom and see that neal ratted by lying on the innocent goatsred. he gives himself away as a fellow traveller of anonymous. i think this is a very big deal. what else is neal up to? he’s close to weiner which puts him close to hillary, the secretary of state, and bill, a former, yet discredited president, who likely still can be blackmailed over post whitehouse behavior. just speculatin..not good. The real scandal on weinergate was the potential to compromise the secretary of state.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  261. 257.LMAO Is he serious?

    Comment by bmertz — 7/1/2011 @ 1:50 pm

    Truthfully, I have no idea. But I think *he* takes it seriously, for whatever that’s worth.

    There’s a thin line between dedication, and obsession, IFYWIM.

    surreal (7a67da)

  262. I read iowahawk. He’s hysterically funny…I’m one myself. That’s why the iowa connection between the two caught my eye and I decided to see if some dots could be connected. I think those dots are now pretty well connected.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  263. His level of hate raises the eyebrow:
    DK:
    Neal’s Rant on Punishing Breitbart’s Enablers

    When you read this, Ms. Loesch, and I know you will, I have a personal request for you. Go get with discredited, disorganized dullards @SwiftRead and @GregWHoward of Twittergate fame, and then show me those pretty, pouty lips of yours saying my name on PJTV again

    I read about what Sinister did to those poor guys on the article link someone posted today. How did he not end up in jail? No one did anything about it?

    His hate/lust relationship with danaloesch is rather disturbing too. Stalker material in fact. Move over Voldermort, you have competition

    bmertz (d77c52)

  264. His level of hate raises the eyebrow:
    DK:
    Neal’s Rant on Punishing Breitbart’s Enablers

    When you read this, Ms. Loesch, and I know you will, I have a personal request for you. Go get with discredited, disorganized dullards @SwiftRead and @GregWHoward of Twittergate fame, and then show me those pretty, pouty lips of yours saying my name on PJTV again

    I read about what Sinister did to those poor guys on the article link someone posted today. How did he not end up in jail? No one did anything about it?

    His hate/lust relationship with danaloesch is rather disturbing too. Stalker material in fact. Move over Voldermort, you have competition

    bmertz (d77c52)

  265. “We dont know what type of information Preston got from JG to ID her. Lee’s challenge to find her was very early”

    Temper Tantrum – By very early do you mean 6/24 or later, the date of the Nikki Revealed BTR show?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  266. I don’t know how that double posted, My apologies. My server has been refusing to refresh and to post since yesterday.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  267. I don’t really understand all the different theories you all have but I thought it important to add that my Twitter account was hacked back around 6/11. (which is why I closed my Clay_Arts account)Not only were people being randomly unfollowed, messages that I had deleted more than a year prior were showing up as originating in the wrong accounts. Someone else was controlling my account.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  268. goatsred – Serious question. I understand why you are PO’d at PatriotUSA, but in the time you guys were fooling around together as bornfree or whatever, did you ever have any indication that he was not a conservative or that he was a sock.

    I ask, because I find most liberals cannot successfully impersonate a conservative for any length of time because they just don’t understand how we think. You see it with liberal trolls on blogs attempting to fool people. They invariably slip up because they are idiots or too indoctrinated with liberal Kool Aid about conservatives they put their feet in their mouths.

    Did you see any hints of that with your interactions with Patriot to justify all the suspicion being cast his way?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  269. I should clarify…. DM’s were showing up that had been deleted more than a year ago.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  270. live by the sword, die by the sword. Delicious karma on it’s way to neal. hoisted on his own petard. two clever by half? reading his own words in so many different forums you get the idea that he’s the smartest guy out there so you better watch out…and then he ends up leaving too many clues behind and he’s done. Not so smart afterall eh? Anyway, did they ever find the white house travel office manager that disappeared??? I always wondered what happened there.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  271. clay arts…i read about you in some twitter posts on ronbryn…different accounts and things. can you refresh my memory so I dont’ have to go read through them again? One of the things neal is really good at, it seems, is finding idle twitter accounts and taking them over. He talks about handing over control of various twitter accounts to someone else. It looks like his speciality is creating sock puppets and then working them like sockpuppet sim city. I wonder if one of the JG’s was just an innocent person with an idle twitter account that got hacked by neal or laurelai and they took it over for a while. maybe? Allegedly?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  272. I think i decided during my research today that patriot usa is likely neal. thus, goatsred got really had. I hope he pursues some legal remedies. I’m thinking you may have a case, goatsred. Ask Patterico.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  273. @nancydrew Do you want my whole story? Or just from the unfortunate day I read one of Ron’s tweets?

    Stillconfused (786412)

  274. nancydrew, I will disagree about Patriot. I have talked to him, and I think he is exactly who he says he is. Just my opinion.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  275. @251 nancydrew.
    Interesting story about Laurelai Bailey and the revenge of her ex-hacker associates. I see what you meant about why JenP might be afraid of Sinister – re: the article’s description about that hacker group forging a document about LB’s involvement. End Game, she loss her job. Real life but another potential movie plot.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  276. http://the-classic-liberal.com/democratic-consultant-neal-rauhauser-pedophilia-themed-tea-party/ An example of the charm of neal, who I am sure is a graduate of the Bill Obama school of Civility.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  277. Neal is trying to scare people that HE is ‘Anonymous’. He is trying to use their rep as his own personal army. Anonymous is not coordinated. It is any one who says they are. Maybe JP is scared of all that but no one investigating this should be.

    Yes, he might have some trolls helping him etc. but he the funny thing he isn’t even anonymous in the regular sense of the word never mind the group.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  278. People have accused me over and over of being this person or that person but the last straw was being accused of being the person who sent death threats. I guess if I had jumped on the “hate Dan” bandwagon, no one would have said a word to me. As it is, I am guilty just because I believe what Dan has said. I am a friend to someone who desperately needed one. That’s it. This should have been investigated by law enforcement from the beginning and we really don’t know that it isn’t. I hope so because the things being written as fact are hurting innocent people.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  279. how do you know?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  280. Sorry for that poorly written post! =/

    Anyway, my main point it Neal is a troll. It would make sense why all this hasn’t ended yet (if he is involved) and why the socks didn’t just disappear into the night. Trolls live for this sort of drama (never mind if there is money involved).

    Noodles (3681c4)

  281. If someone really were threatening JG why would she call Lee first before she even called the police, and lie to him.

    Comment by Temper Tantrum

    I keep reaching this point, and realizing that we do not know that the woman who called Lee and the woman who filed the report were the same woman.

    The timing appears to be very close.

    However, if the woman who called Lee was related to the person who called in the threats, then she would know about the threats, and could muddy the waters, thoroughly, with that phone call.

    I am not saying this is what happened. I am saying that if the scenario is played this way, then the woman who filed a police report is not a liar, or even involved in this increasingly murky matter.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  282. Noodles
    Certainly, commenters are too small of fish to worry about it. We aren’t a big threat. But Jen Preston would become one if she went after the story. Lee has made himself into a threat as well. Captain Obvious says: hence he got the phony phone call. You would not think that he would be dumb enough to threaten Patterico and Ace, but apparently his ego is bigger than common sense.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  283. 266. nancydrew

    Neal does fancy himself a computer-network expert, and if he really believes that nonsense he writes, it is so far left he borders on anarchism- which is where those cyber-warfare groups habituate. BTW, I think he does believe it because of the obsessive compulsive nature of his style. Neal, in his mid 40’s, is a bit older than Laurelai Bailey, who is 29, and they hark from Davenport and Graettinger which aren’t that proximal, though I suspect Neal left Iowa for Chicago many moons ago.

    If Neal is connected to these hacker groups, his political connection may save his hide- I remember Andrew Sullivan having his marijuana possession case dropped by prosecutes over the objection of the presiding judge- but if he is behind the death threats the weight of evidence collected at the lower levels of the FBI may be so great that political intervention is too risky and he may be cut lose by the political powers in the justice Department.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  284. 280. Comment by nancydrew — 7/1/2011 @ 3:06 pm

    Just watching this vid, and something popped out at me- at 5:09 into the vid, one of the tweets says “@GregWHoward my clients, only 10% of which you see are delighted 😉 ”

    Didn’t the threatening letter to Patterico include the term “clients”?

    I’m reaching, I know, I know…

    surreal (7a67da)

  285. Stillconfused..

    Clarify please: I will disagree about Patriot. I have talked to him,

    On the phone, twitter?

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  286. I know I keep harping on this, but for all the deviousness there really didn’t seem to have been much of a strategy.

    Comment by MayBee

    Spot on! (Ahem! Sorry for the Britishism – it just fits.)

    Part of why it’s so confusing is that none of this seems to be aimed in one direction!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  287. @az5, Twitter but I don’t ask him any questions. I am just there to be his friend.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  288. I lol @ his association with ‘hacker groups’. The public buys into this fear and nonsense. He is a troll. That is all. Maybe a good one. Maybe a paid one. But just a troll.

    I could make a YT video calling Neal out as Anonymous if I wanted to. I could start trolling him if I wanted to. Anonymous would then be trolling Anonymous (or someone who paints an association with them) . My point is guys like him use the rep of some members of Anonymous to scare people from even getting involved.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  289. Stillconfused

    You changed your twitter accnt at least 3 times correct? from clay_arts to _clayarts to current? Or not correct?

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  290. Take that back, I did ask him why in the hell he was talking to Ronbyrn. I tell you one thing, I wasn’t find of journalists before this, but I will never trust another one after this. They will sell their souls for a story.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  291. lamchops!

    I noticed he put CNN on the hit list of enemies of the people for the crime of hiring DanaL. Sinister does strike me as someone with the POV “I am a god”, generalized contempt, and so on.. I’m not claiming the training to determine what precisely is the nature of his problem. But, I think there is a serious one. His focus on DanaL is nothing short of creepy.

    His personality flags remind me of two of our sockpuppets.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  292. Az, see my above post. Yes, I changed again because my account was doing the same thing it was before. Not immediately, but it did. After I realized someone was trying to find out my name, this whole thing changed to me. I have done nothing wrong and I have especially done nothing to warrant anyone trying to find me. I have had a stalker once. I do not want another one. Before all this, I didn’t hide my name. Now, I don’t trust that some insane person won’t knock on my door. People took my protecting my safety as my being guilty. I will say, I have never experienced such blind-hatred. This has changed me.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  293. Stillconfused

    Just asking to understand if the current is really original clay_arts and why change accnt the 2nd time.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  294. On the phone at the Nordstrom cafe andhubs wants his phone back…… Pardon twit speak if I lapse into it.
    Thanks loam for giving us context of jan prestons convo with lee. Makes a heck of a lot more sense now.

    Prestons caution to Lee is just that, a caution and not a dismissal. Anon style punks can go deep and she is trying to check things out. She is not declaring the website fake but allowing it might be until confirmed otherwise. I made a similar cautionary plea around the same time , and had a devil of a time making it clear this was not a preferred alternative theory, but one that needed proper consideration when evaluating personas , claims, methods and motives.

    Follow up and nailing down loose end will push the case in The right direction whatever the reality is

    Sarahw (d233ce)

  295. AZ. I would like to change my name back to _ClayArts but I don’t dare because I know how you will all react.
    I have seen the worst in people.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  296. People took my protecting my safety as my being guilty. I will say, I have never experienced such blind-hatred. This has changed me.

    Do you mean people here confused? Or on twitter ?

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  297. Headache, I don’t comment here enough to feel a lot of hatred but there are people who comment here who state suspicions as fact. People will take your words and use them against you not matter how innocent you are. I learned the hard way that if someone wishes you to be guilty, they will find a way. I see Ronbryn compare Dan to Jared Loughner, tell him how horrible I thought that was, he pretended to be my friend then the next thing I know, he is accusing me of horrible things that shocked me. I got involved to be a friend to Dan. I will follow that through as long as he needs me to but after that, I will leave politics in my past.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  298. Thinking out loud:

    Assume JG MA is a real person who created @starchild111 in 2009 or 2010.

    She used it as a fan of celebs because she heard that you can directly get response message by celebs on Twitter. (& you can…people used to write fan mail and hope for a reply, same thing.)

    She didn’t keep using it because none of her friends used it and she didn’t get much satisfaction from celebrities she tracked, primarily the Kardashians and some Latinas, including J-Lo. Mostly about pretty actresses & models.

    She was also a fan of the UCLA writers program. She either attended that program or knew of it because she’d taken one of the writing retreats with Lew Hunter, a UCLA prof, in the past.

    To clarify, while it’s been reported as a lie that she went to UCLA, the Writers Program is an extension program. You can take courses online.
    http://twitter.com/#!/writersprogram
    http://www2.uclaextension.edu/writers/detail.php?sID=aboutwr
    It’s not only for screenwriting, and Lew Hunter isn’t listed as one of the instructors. Lew is a professor emeritus at UCLA in screenwriting.
    http://www.tft.ucla.edu/faculty/lew-hunter/

    Also if she were studying at UCLA on campus, she could be home in Boston for the summer. Who knows?

    So if she dropped her Twitter account, who’s to say that one of the bad guys (I won’t name names but you’ve been discussing them) couldn’t have just picked up her Twitter account after noticing that it was girly and evidently abandoned…and she’s a patsy? Why not? Maybe she just had a guessable password – we read that most people use “password” “123456” “qwerty” and similar stupid things as passwords..why wouldn’t the Kardashian fan be one of them? Twitter’s not important, why use a strong password that’s hard to type and remember?

    She knows nothing about Weiner, has nothing to do with Nikki, etc.

    She gets 2 threatening calls out of the blue.

    Who made the calls?

    The calls are either made by people who want to put a stop to “the Reids” …and researching the starchild111 account find that it was opened by Jenny George. (it was, so it must be a findable fact one way or another…on twitter records…how much money would it take to get someone inside twitter to give up or confirm her identity?) They assume she is behind all this (like many do) and try to scare her.

    Or

    The person/people behind The Reids makes the call to her to make it seem like she’s the one behind the socks.

    She gets the calls, she looks up what is this about, finds Lee and calls him, scared and worried. She has now seen his lovely, comforting pictures and heard his soothing voice and the cat of satan in the background. Do you think he calmed her down much? No. She think’s he or his fans could be behind this. (Look at some of the wackos we have commenting here.)

    She’s still panicked and goes to the BPD.

    She’s a patsy.

    Just thinking out loud.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  299. So it’s Friday, and I’m not going out shooting with my boyfriend.

    This being the case, does anyone think we’re going to get this solved tonight? Is more information coming?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  300. Thinking out loud:

    Assume JG MA is a real person who created @starchild111 in 2009 or 2010.

    She used it as a fan of celebs because she heard that you can directly get response message by celebs on Twitter. (& you can…people used to write fan mail and hope for a reply, same thing.)

    She didn’t keep using it because none of her friends used it and she didn’t get much satisfaction from celebrities she tracked, primarily the Kardashians and some Latinas, including J-Lo. Mostly about pretty actresses & models.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  301. Thinking out loud: part 2

    She was also a fan of the UCLA writers program. She either attended that program or knew of it because she’d taken one of the writing retreats with Lew Hunter, a UCLA prof, in the past.

    To clarify, while it’s been reported as a lie that she went to UCLA, the Writers Program is an extension program. You can take courses online.
    http://twitter.com/#!/writersprogram
    http://www2.uclaextension.edu/writers/detail.php?sID=aboutwr
    It’s not only for screenwriting, and Lew Hunter isn’t listed as one of the instructors. Lew is a professor emeritus at UCLA in screenwriting.
    http://www.tft.ucla.edu/faculty/lew-hunter/

    Also if she were studying at UCLA on campus, she could be home in Boston for the summer. Who knows?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  302. She was also a fan of the UCLA writers program. She either attended that program or knew of it because she’d taken one of the writing retreats with Lew Hunter, a UCLA prof, in the past.

    To clarify, while it’s been reported as a lie that she went to UCLA, the Writers Program is an extension program. You can take courses online.
    It’s not only for screenwriting, and Lew Hunter isn’t listed as one of the instructors. Lew is a professor emeritus at UCLA in screenwriting.

    Also if she were studying at UCLA on campus, she could be home in Boston for the summer. Who knows?

    So if she dropped her Twitter account, who’s to say that one of the bad guys (I won’t name names but you’ve been discussing them) couldn’t have just picked up her Twitter account after noticing that it was girly and evidently abandoned…and she’s a patsy? Why not? Maybe she just had a guessable password – we read that most people use “password” “123456” “qwerty” and similar stupid things as passwords..why wouldn’t the Kardashian fan be one of them? Twitter’s not important, why use a strong password that’s hard to type and remember?

    Most Common Internet Passwords

    She knows nothing about Weiner, has nothing to do with Nikki, etc.

    She gets 2 threatening calls out of the blue.

    Who made the calls?

    The calls are either made by people who want to put a stop to “the Reids” …and researching the starchild111 account find that it was opened by Jenny George. (it was, so it must be a findable fact one way or another…on twitter records…how much money would it take to get someone inside twitter to give up or confirm her identity?) They assume she is behind all this (like many do) and try to scare her.

    Or

    The person/people behind The Reids makes the call to her to make it seem like she’s the one behind the socks.

    She gets the calls, she looks up what is this about, finds Lee and calls him, scared and worried. She has now seen his lovely, comforting pictures and heard his soothing voice and the cat of satan in the background. Do you think he calmed her down much? No. She think’s he or his fans could be behind this. (Look at some of the wackos we have commenting here.)

    She’s still panicked and goes to the BPD.

    She’s a patsy.

    Just thinking out loud.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  303. Yes, koam? Go on.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  304. confused,
    This blog has a number of unfriendly and even malicious
    sockpuppets visit it, no? It is not personal, you are just an unknown.

    So you meant people were attacking you on twitter? Do you know Ronbryn that well? he was getting aggressive and accusing you..?That sounds like a personal attack.

    Ronbryn does sorta lose it, frequently 🙂

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  305. I had the worst time posting that…the system was not showing my full post..evidently the links I had related to the UCLA program and Prof Lew Hunter were being rejected. In any case they show that the Writers Program is an extension program and that Lew is Prof Emeritus and that the WP is still on Twitter, I follow it.

    So…Why not accept that JG in Boston is a patsy? Some bad guys found her abandoned twitter account and it seemed opportune to make into a teen girl’s as a fake Weiner fan?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  306. You’ll have to ask him Headache. I didn’t know he existed until I saw that Loghner statement.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  307. I don’t know him confused. But I don’t understand why he would go after you

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  308. Nor do I headache. As I said, you’ll have to ask him that.

    Stillconfused (786412)

  309. Don’t know him. I don”t tweet, and if I did I don’t think I’d be sending tweets to guy I didn’t know without a good reason.

    I think everyone in the known universe read his tweets this week. He’ll never them down. Another reason to not tweet. Sooner or later youll lose your temper and show your underwear in public. Whoops that was Anthony not me.

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  310. I don’t know why he lost it unless he was pissed that I REALLY DON’T know anything about all of this.
    Have a good night

    Stillconfused (786412)

  311. Sure confused. take care and don’t take everything so hard. It’s not your fault he’s lost it. k?

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  312. 308. koam @wittier

    So far, all the evidence indicates that JG Boston is Jenay=Nikki= etc.
    At this time none of the evidence indicated JG Boston is an innocent bystander.

    Other than that, the theory that JG Boston is a Patsy is rock solid.

    BTW, Why not accept that JG Boston is Elvis Presley, having returned on his flying saucer from a distant galaxy to retrieve Lee’s cat?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  313. “So far, all the evidence indicates that JG Boston is Jenay=Nikki= etc.
    At this time none of the evidence indicated JG Boston is an innocent bystander.”

    lamchopsl – Those conclusions are as firm as the evidence that Lee is not Dan Wolfe.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  314. WWOD?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  315. Interesting tidbit that popped out at me from neals smear of me at KOS from link posted (#253, surreal)
    Hushmail account mentioned–“And one final thing … the person or persons behind the hushmail account that knew so much about Mike Stack?”

    goatsred (b20383)

  316. The left hate the truth like they hate bush.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  317. Comment by nancydrew — 7/1/2011 @ 2:18 pm

    Yes,he certainly was cocky to ascertain that the FBI would swoop in on me because he said I tampered with AW’s social accounts.
    It was also against the law to utter a false document and to post it there making it seem like I had committed a felony.

    goatsred (b20383)

  318. if someone was presurgical transgendered, would that make more or less likely that the person had some emotional issues….like JG from Boston perhaps? Just askin…don’t know.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  319. 318. Interesting tidbit that popped out at me from neals smear of me at KOS from link posted (#253, surreal)

    When I listened to Mr. Stranahan’s radio show talking about JP@NYT and how she was trying to deflect away from the topic, this whole Kos diary came back to me- so I hunted it down. Re-reading it, it amazed me at all the dots it could potentially connect.

    All of this made me break down and get a twitter acct, for the love of…*sigh*. Not that I know what to *do* with it lol

    surreal (7a67da)

  320. The calvary to the rescue!!!

    Lee, I have been defending your sorry arse for the better part of this afternoon.

    There seems to be an element here that believes the Jenny George in Boston may not be the person who called you.

    Did Jen Preston independently confirm that the Jenny George she talked to lives in Boston? Did that person Preston talked to admit that she set up the starchild111 twitter account?

    From reading your blog, and listening to your broadcasts, it appears to me that you take this as fact.

    You could certainly cut through a whole bunch of chatter here if you could just definitively clear up this one question.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  321. @Mike#318, 320
    Playing fair does not seem to be in his vocabulary. He has judged and convictedslandered you in front of a huge crowd of people. I think you need to talk to Patterico or some of the other lawyers here about that action. He can get away with it when its directed at Breitbart, but you are not a public figure. He’s raising up a vigilante gang.

    What made this guy so angry? You can be committed to a cause without wanting to burn the world down.

    @surreal
    I am glad that you found it. It tends to make the picture snap into focus. It may not answer all the questions about Jenny but it certainly makes me believe neal has his hands in this mess somewhere.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  322. 318. goatsred

    I noticed that also. I had never heard of Hushmail before these death threats, but then I am not a professional blackmailer.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  323. @nancydrew #321

    if someone was presurgical transgendered, would that make more or less likely that the person had some emotional issues….like JG from Boston perhaps? Just askin…don’t know.

    Where did you get that rumor?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  324. 320. goatsred

    If Neal Douchehauser has publicaly defamed you, can’t you sue him for libel? Discovery in a civil lawsuit could be a bitch for him. I’m sure there are Right leaning lawyers who would be tripping over themselves to handel such a case, pro bono.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  325. “There seems to be an element here that believes the Jenny George in Boston may not be the person who called you.

    Did Jen Preston independently confirm that the Jenny George she talked to lives in Boston? Did that person Preston talked to admit that she set up the starchild111 twitter account?”

    lamchopsl – To be fair, there are a number of claims which you have been attempting to defend, not limited to the above, which are not actually supported by evidence apart from statements by one or more players involved at this point. With no disrespect, your difficulty seems to be in comprehending what constitutes independently verifiable evidence as opposed to hearsay.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  326. Lamchopsl, I am wondering if the Jenny George who called Lee is the same Jenny George who filed a police report.

    If I understand the timing (and I’m not sure I do), it is possible (not at all a certainty) that the woman who called Lee and identified herself as Jenny George knew of the threats because she’d been part of making them.

    Which would at least cut out one tangle in this mess of action and interaction, people, threats, puppets and possible lies.

    Again, this is not certainty. It’s a possibility, and one which makes the field a little less messy.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  327. I’ve yet to see which alleged lies in the JG call to Lee are proven by actual evidence.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  328. 326. no rumor. Laurelai is a self confessed transgenered person who is presurgical. Don’t get the reason for your question.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  329. Oops, I left out the rest of it – the woman, JG, who received the threats and went to the police, is a bystander.

    It cuts the risky behavior factor quite sharply.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  330. We still don’t have the times of these events:

    – The 6/19 teary call Lee received from a JG
    – That same JG has call(s) with Preston at Lee’s suggestion
    – Lee’s 6/20 radio show in which he describes call details (probably right after midnight)
    – Any internet posts, comments, tweets etc. that Lee or others made regarding receiving call from JG
    – A real JG from Boston files police report at BPD precinct.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  331. Are we going to have another Séance to contact Neal tonight? I’m still waiting for the rapping on the table and rattling of pans to begin. Another document flash of somebody’s driving records.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  332. lamchopsl – Have you also been commenting as Temper Tantrum today?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  333. Nancydrew, because before you mentioned this person, no one had mentioned him/her at all.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  334. “Are we going to have another Séance to contact Neal tonight?”

    bmertz – I think I still have a Magic 8 Ball around someplace if that would help.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  335. bmertz, if we do, do you want to sit next to me?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  336. daleyrocks, we could probably create a makeshift ouija board out of random tweets, or something.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  337. “So it’s Friday, and I’m not going out shooting with my boyfriend.”

    Dianna – Have him tweet you his junk instead. Anthony Weiner told me chicks dig that stuff.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  338. Comment by nancydrew — 7/1/2011 @ 5:44 pm #331
    We had a miscommunication Nancy. I thought you were referring to Jenny. Obviously to have access to that sort of knowledge would be rather significant here. 🙂

    Your article is the first time I have been introduce to Lorelai. I don’t know a great deal about her outside of what I read.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  339. 328. daleyrocks

    Thanks for clearing this point up for me. Since I had no reason to believe otherwise, I was assuming that your questions regarded facts, evidence and logical conclusions.

    But you make no counter arguments nor cite no evidence, you merely make general personal accusations against me.

    When I ask Lee to clear up one of your central objections, you, before even hearing Lee’s response, reject as insufficient to clear my reputation.

    Now that it is clear that you seem to want to simply attack me personally, I will henceforth ignore you.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  340. Dianna
    Yes, I’m scaaarrred of ghosties

    bmertz (d77c52)

  341. goatsred – Serious question. I understand why you are PO’d at PatriotUSA, but in the time you guys were fooling around together as bornfree or whatever, did you ever have any indication that he was not a conservative or that he was a sock.

    I ask, because I find most liberals cannot successfully impersonate a conservative for any length of time because they just don’t understand how we think. You see it with liberal trolls on blogs attempting to fool people. They invariably slip up because they are idiots or too indoctrinated with liberal Kool Aid about conservatives they put their feet in their mouths.

    Did you see any hints of that with your interactions with Patriot to justify all the suspicion being cast his way?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  342. Anyone want to volunteer to start channeling Neal? anybody? anybody? No volunteers?

    sigh

    bmertz (d77c52)

  343. Yes, I’m scaaarrred of ghosties

    Comment by bmertz

    There, there! You can hold my hand, then.

    G. K. Chesterton, when asked if he believed in ghosts, replied, “No; but I’m scared of them!”

    An eminently sensible answer.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  344. “But you make no counter arguments nor cite no evidence, you merely make general personal accusations against me.”

    lamchopsl – Please point out a personal attack or accusation other than what I tried to explain in #328.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  345. Anyone want to volunteer to start channeling Neal? anybody? anybody? No volunteers?

    sigh

    My brain is quite an odd enough place already, thank you.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  346. “nor cite no evidence”

    lamchopsl – If there is no evidence to cite, that’s a problem, isn’t it? You are really not paying close enough attention to what I have actually said.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  347. JG from Boston and Laurelai? Hmmm….just curious.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  348. “I will henceforth ignore you”

    Does that count as a flounce? Anybody?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  349. I think everyone is so stressed out and tired from working on this investigation (for weeks) that it is beginning to take its toll between people who normally have a lot in common. I’ve noticed that people sound frustrated and appear worn to the bone. I think this mystery will be cracked if we can be patient with each other. Meanwhile some of you need to get away from the computers and go do something fun to kick off the stress. Insight breaks lose with you aren’t so wound up.

    ========End of bmertz’s unsolicited advice ========

    bmertz (d77c52)

  350. 335. daleyrocks

    lamchopsl – Have you also been commenting as Temper Tantrum today?

    347. daleyrocks

    lamchopsl – Please point out a personal attack or accusation other than what I tried to explain in #328.

    Since you don’t seem to grasp what I am talking about here, let me make this as clear as possible:

    Fuck You.

    Got it?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  351. Dianna
    I am glad to know that when times are truely dark, you will be there to stand beside me

    I am honored and touched
    sniff

    bmertz (d77c52)

  352. Does that count as a flounce? Anybody?

    Comment by daleyrocks

    No, it wasn’t “goodbye, cruel blog! You have abused me for the last time! You will regret it, when I am gone, just see if you don’t!”

    It was purely someone who’s not happy with you, today.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  353. @Nancydrew
    Who was that interesting visitor earlier. She/he made some Very intriguing comments about patriot in the thread.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  354. Lamb — I gave a long answer. It’s here.

    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-where-in-the-world-is-socky-puppet

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  355. daley-Excuse me for inserting myself into the fight. I was trying to help calm everyone down, not upset you more. I have noticed an increase of tension among all the commenters and it concerned me.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  356. From Lew Hunter’s website:

    This coming summer from June 11th – 24th, Lew Hunter hosts his Superior Summer Screenwriting Colony. This is an intense program for serious writers of all levels.

    In North Dakota.

    MayBee (081489)

  357. 329. Dianna

    I hear you. I think Lee has been kind of sloppy as he tries to flesh out this story. His use of language is somewhat imprecise, he tends to jump around and digress onto tangents and he either intentionally or unintentionally doesn’t put out all the facts, even when they aren’t any kind of big deal.

    He does, however, seem to be responsive to the comments on this site. I’ve found he often address these these questions on his radio blog. Here’s to hoping he clears up these simple points.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  358. Sorry. In Nebraska.

    MayBee (081489)

  359. MayBee – Hunter lives in Nebraska, where the N on the Cornhusker football helmets stands for Nowledge!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  360. Lee has been more than responsive, and I’m not criticizing him or anyone.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  361. MayBee? That is…interesting. Have you put it over on Lee’s blog? He has a new post up, and it might make it easier for him to see it.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  362. So….

    There’s a real UCLA prof’s website, and a sock UCLA prof for JP and LS to speak to on the phone? Why is the same not true for JG– a real person, but not the person who’s spoken to LS and JP. Who else is real but faked? The Boston detective?

    This is not normal sockpuppet stuff. They are being careful to find somebody real they can co-opt before putting themselves out there. Doing so gives them cover for a while before everyone sorts out the mess. That implies the availability of resources to employ for this purpose.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  363. koam started to talk it out.

    Suppose JG, a real person, has an unused starchild111 account that gets co-opted and contains some personal information that makes it possible for an identity thief to impersonate her.

    Is it possible no one has spoken to the ACTUAL JG who created the account yet? To ask if her account has seen activity unknown to her?

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  364. 357. Lee Stranahan

    Thanks for taking the time to make this clear.

    It seems to me that the detective’s reference to the Mrs. Hunter means the Jenny George he spoke with is the one both you and Jen Preston talked to.

    The Dan Wolfe Massachusetts connections are one more weight toward the Jenny George=Patriot conclusion. That seems to be getting closer every day.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  365. The site for Lew Hunter’s intensive course says he’s in Nebraska.

    For some reason, I was thinking Prof. Emeritus Hunter was in Southern California.

    Having read the site at least once before, how come I didn’t notice that?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  366. Maybe I’ve been watching too many spy thrillers. It’s obvious we are being screwed with, just would be nice to know who and why.

    Although we might discover that the who and why to be totally unsatisfying in the end.

    It’s been interesting to follow.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  367. I phoned Lew Hunter in Nebraska.

    Who is Caustic Conservative? Can anyone vouch for them?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  368. We have four people who are real and identified beyond any reasonable doubt — Jenny George, Lew Hunter and his wife, and Detective Thornton.

    But Caustic Conservative seems to want to convince people that these real people are (somehow) fake.

    So I ask — who is CC and why do they want to foist this lunacy on people?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  369. 345. Comment by bmertz — 7/1/2011 @ 5:58 pm
    Anyone want to volunteer to start channeling Neal? anybody? anybody? No volunteers?

    I’ll have to take a pass. I may be from the Lunatic Lair, but, there are some flavors of lid flippage that go beyond Beyond, right smack into Over Yonder. Ol’ Sinister lands square in BFE.

    surreal (7a67da)

  370. #370 – Lee – It’s more that we’ve started to doubt the reality of anyone who isn’t sitting in the family room with us at this exact instant.

    I’m not entirely kidding.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  371. Who is ‘The Freaking Mob’?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  372. “We have four people who are real and identified beyond any reasonable doubt — Jenny George, Lew Hunter and his wife, and Detective Thornton.”

    Lee – Respectfully, I disagree.

    We have a person claiming to be Jenny George that you and Jen Preston have spoken with.

    We have a Jenny George that Det. Thornton interviewed in response to her complaint.

    Where is the hard evidence establishing they are the same person? We have no physical descriptions. We have professors remembering a JG but no assurance it is the same person. Could they have taught more than one JG? Was that question asked?

    I’m not asking to create “lunacy”. Just remember that TommyX got punked with fake ID. I’d rather have it nailed down than leap to conclusions.

    I’m also missing that Nikki/Patriot connection you see lurking.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  373. LOL.

    I’m nobody.

    Just a random Patterico reader who seldom posts.

    I don’t read the entire threads all the time. I don’t follow twitter at all, so I am missing a bunch of details apparently.

    Didn’t mean to throw you off the trail!

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  374. OMG.

    It just occurred to me that maybe…

    I’M

    NOT

    ME!

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  375. 371. Lee Stranahan

    Gennette Cordova

    At least knowing she is real separates her from the Sockpuppet Posse, making it one less problem to solve.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  376. I think Lee’s theory is probably the most accurate. Plus, he he has the most solid leads (police report) to follow up on.

    This Neal guys possible involvement is troubling but maybe he is just trying to be a headache to those trying to break the story wide open.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  377. Neal is an idiot.

    But Neal is not Nikki / Patriot.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  378. Daley,

    The evidence is in commonality of the statements from the woman who I spoke to and the woman who the police spoke to.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  379. Lee,

    From what I’ve seen the threatener may be a completely separate story. She could be JG threatening herself and everybody else, but s/he could also be somebody else? Any insight?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  380. Lee? Is the commonality more than Prof. Hunter and his wife? And UCLA? (Which, by your account, is a lie).

    Dianna (f12db5)

  381. 384. Dianna

    If I may presume to interject.

    The fact that JG mentioned the Hunters to Jen Preston and to the detective is the argument. What are the chances that the real JG would mention the hunters to the detective and someone else falsely claiming to e JG would mention the Hunters to Jen Preston?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  382. lamb is correct…

    Plus other elements of the story — the mention of me. Of ‘followers’ — a fake JG would change her story to ‘followers’, why exactly?

    Seriously — this isn’t rocket science. It’s not weird. The simple answer is simple — the woman on the phone filed the police report.

    Has anyone contacted me to clear it up?

    Just think this stuff through…what are the logical consequences?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  383. Also — the detective is closing the case as ‘unfounded’ he told me.

    What does that tell you?

    I mean — “nothing” if you want to believe the exceptionally complicated conspiracy theory.

    But it’s sure consistent with the story I’m telling.

    BTW – has anyone asked Patterico if he heard the hoaxster theory from Reid or Wolfe?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  384. Lee says John Reid is fake and JG is real.
    Pat says JG is fake and John Reid is real.

    Any wonder why random comments thread readers might get a little confused?

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  385. It seems to me that unless JG decides to come clean the only way this whole intrigue will be resolved is if JG is the threatener and law enforcement unravels it with subpoenas of twitter and ISPs. If it turns out that someone else is the threatener, we may never definitively know who Dan wolf is,

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  386. “The evidence is in commonality of the statements from the woman who I spoke to and the woman who the police spoke to.”

    Lee – I agree there is wicked commonality, I am just looking for more than commonality. The AGW fanatic believe correlation equals causation. I think they’re full of sh*t because they don’t fully understand our climate system and expect more evidence before sending our economy back to the stone age.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  387. Anybody know if Pattero or Ace have filed criminal complaints over the threats. Once it goes across state lines the FBI comes in, if I am not mistaken. Then it becomes a federal case.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  388. “Also — the detective is closing the case as ‘unfounded’ he told me.”

    Thanks. More new information.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  389. You are taking Preston’s remarks to Lee out of context if you think she was trying
    to persuade
    him Hunter’s website was fake. that’s not what she said or meant at all.

    She was warning him of the possibilites of an anonymous- style punk. She didn’t say the website was fake or appeared to be fake, she said she did not [at that moment] take for granted it was genuine. A prudent reservation that was, considering what has been going on with socks and the natural history of Encylopedia dramatica hijinks. This is not the stuff of black helicopters, it’s more a suspicion that silly drama is afoot.

    Lees caller is a liar, check; lees caller is or is not a Jenny George known by lew hunter, claimed but not double checked.

    That checking needs to happen

    Sarahw (af7312)

  390. “The fact that JG mentioned the Hunters to Jen Preston and to the detective is the argument.”

    lamchopsl – Can you please refresh my memory where the Hunter/Detective connection was discussed?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  391. “Lees caller is a liar, check; lees caller is or is not a Jenny George known by lew hunter, claimed but not double checked.

    That checking needs to happen”

    SarahW – I don’t understand why that is such a stratospherically difficult concept for some people to understand, but it apparently is, because they accuse you of fomenting lunacy when you raise it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  392. “Once it goes across state lines the FBI comes in, if I am not mistaken.”

    I think it gets even worse if a telephone was used. And with people being able to use telephones to send email/tweet, they have to be really careful. A lot of people don’t realize that the laws can be different if a phone is involved.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  393. 393. Sarahw

    The Boston detective spoke to JG.

    Lee said, “The Detective also mentioned to me that he had spoken to Mrs. Hunter”:

    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-where-in-the-world-is-socky-puppet

    During their phone call, the person claiming to be JG referred Jen Preston to the Hunters. Jen later gave the hunters number to Lee and he called them also.

    What are the chances that the real JG would refer the detective to the Hunters and that a person falsely claiming to be JG would refer Jen Preston to the Hunters?

    Ergo: JG Boston set up the starchild111 account as she claimed and as was indicated by the account name.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  394. This isn’t really anything but there is a starchild111 Youtube account. Looks abandoned.

    There is also a one for user/jennifergeorge subscribed to UCLA but I think that is the wrong ones channel.

    No user/jenaygeorge

    Noodles (3681c4)

  395. Out of all the people in all the world she could have picked–why do you suppose Boston JG chose the Hunters–the out of state Hunters– to be the ones that she referred several perfect strangers to for an endorsement? Did she warn/alert the Hunters ahead of time I wonder? And what arrangements had she made with them to give them permission to discuss her, or what explanation did she give the Hunters for needing this service, I wonder.

    elissa (961c7a)

  396. “The Detective also mentioned to me that he had spoken to Mrs. Hunter, so I believe that reference must have come from Ms. George.”

    Thanks. Unless I am mistaken, this is more new information revealed today. That establishes a good connection.

    Again, stuff like this would have made a stronger case earlier. Why hold back on it?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  397. I’m just sleuthing (see Google) and see she won some MA film thingie. Says she’s from Quincy, MA.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  398. “And what arrangements had she made with them to give them permission to discuss her, or what explanation did she give the Hunters for needing this service, I wonder.”

    elissa – More interestingly, why was it necessary to have the police call anybody on her behalf?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  399. Idk, maybe that’s the one with the Twitter account maybe? Is she the suspect or some other Jennifer George?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  400. Noodles — I saw that but there are 8 Jennifer Georges around Boston

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  401. No, Preston clearly thought that the website and Lew Hunter and his wife were all possibly fake. We argued about this point, which I was stunned by.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  402. ==there are 8 Jennifer Georges around Boston==

    Oh good allah.

    elissa (961c7a)

  403. New Braintree and Andover, MA look like the closest in age (if that is correct).

    Noodles (3681c4)

  404. I’m not going to hypothesize on women who live in or near Boston.

    The Police have her address. That works for me.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  405. Radio show — 1e 12c 11m 10p

    So, 10 minutes from now.

    http://tobtr.com/s/2050777

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  406. Lee,

    I have to agree with you on the recent odd behavior of Jennifer Preston. It should be very easy to verify the Lew Hunter aspect. Just a quick look at his web site provides lots of clues that he appears to be a real money making individual.

    He just completed a retreat on June 24 so maybe we can get someone to verify that he was seen there in Superior NE.

    JP should have the resouces to verify Lew in less than 30 minutes.

    With your latest Blog Talk show, I am now updated on your views concerning Jenny George. I still don’t see the upside to her or anyone filing a Police report in Boston. It just up’s the story rather then hoping it just dies quietly on the internet.

    So that leaves me with the question: What is the next step when you turn on your phone after a good weekend rest?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  407. As long as a bunch of commenters I never heard of before agree, that is what matters.

    Pay no attention to the way an alternate theory explains everything.

    Hi, Neal!

    Patterico (5e9aee)

  408. Patterico , how does your theory explain everything?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  409. Lee left us a rabbit hole to search based this tweet:

    Stranahan Phil Johnson
    Look-a-likes? « Qritiq http://bit.ly/mdNe6X Can anyone figure out who this site belongs to?
    2 hours ago

    Is this the face of Qritiq?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/28747007@N00/

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  410. There is a real ball of socks in this dresser drawer!

    Patterico’s theory is that 1) Lee’s hysterical caller was a hoaxer claiming to be Jennifer George (MA). This hoaxer may or may not be in league with 2) A male hoaxer who threatened the real JG MA and claimed to be Lee.

    Real JG MA calls the police and Lee gets a call from them.

    Points against #1 seem to be that Lee is fairly certain that hysterical caller is the same as JG MA, due to “commonalities” that seem indicative but not dispositive. But as Patterico says, even if #1 is wrong, #2 is not dependent.

    #2, that somebody actually threatened JG MA and claimed to be Lee (or one of his “followers”…all hail Lee!!!) is a hypothesis that yields a lot of good areas of thought.

    First off, if there had been no threats made against JG MA, and yet she still filed a police report (which I assume Patterico has verified), then she’s engaging in very risky and stupid behavior. I think it makes much more sense that a threat was actually made.

    If a threat was made, we know it wasn’t Lee (all hail Lee!!!) so it must have been an imposter, some sort of political shit-stirrer. And the primary suspect seems to be “Neal”, a shit-stirrer with a long reach and a short stick.

    The email threats to Ace and Patterico made by Alicia Pain may be related, of course, but Ace and Patterico are wisely maintaining radio silence on what is an ongoing police investigation, so lets leave this out for now.

    Now, on its face, this is two or three levels removed from the dicpic, but considering all the socks it may not be. These two narratives (hysterical caller is a phony / real threats by phony Lee) are just two pieces in the puzzle.

    Patterico, have I restated your post back to you correctly?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  411. The date on that post was intentionally wrong.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  412. Pat says JG is fake and John Reid is real.
    Comment by CausticConservative — 7/1/2011 @ 7:49 pm

    Patterico has not said that John Reid is real.

    slp (f9a160)

  413. 404

    Yes, Lee, she thought them all possibly fake, as she should have with the amount of information she had. Failing to check would be inexcusable, but circumspection at first very reasonable.

    You were certain all was resolved, she was not. Some loose ends remain.

    If you really spoke to the person who took classes from Lew hunter, I will think it.ll but reolved myself, but I don’t know whether the woman in Boston is actually a foamier screenwriting student.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  414. This story has now officially transcended the realm of the mundane political conspiracy theory tinged with sinister overtones of of death-hackers like Anonymous and the Yes men. It is now firmly ensconced in bizarre and inscrutable hyper-real metrocosm of Van Nuys:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Van_Nuys_Boulevard_Street_Scene.JPG

    My proof, you might ask? Consider the fact that Lee ‘s twitter account has been co-opted. By a banker!

    http://twitter.com/#!/Stranahan

    Be afraid. Be very afraid, my friends.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  415. That’s putting too dark a facetious spin on it, Lamchop1.
    Lulz can be “deadly” I guess but mainly its just making fools of people.

    SarahW (af7312)

  416. “Foamier screenwriting student”

    I hate you, Ipad auto-correct.

    SarahW (af7312)

  417. Please take a look at this blog post that Lee posted earlier today.

    http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/look-a-likes/

    I don’t know yet how he came across it.

    The top photo is a match for a Jennifer George, Boston facebook profile
    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1104744369

    While the 2nd and 3rd are Nikki Reed the actress (it says) and J-Lo, both of whom have rich histories with @starchild111.

    The home page for the qritiq blog has a weather widget with ZIP 11576, Roslyn, NY (a suburb of NYC on Long Island). Other stories in the blog are related to NYC and Long Island.

    The page notes: “Look-alikes?” (sic) “Is it just me or do these ladies look somewhat similar?” (for Jennifer George, Boston and Nikki Reed, actress) and “Maybe more like this:” for Jennifer Lopez.

    This is dated June 30, 2010 and filed under “politics.”

    How darn odd is all that?

    Thoughts?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  418. 418. sarahw

    Too dark a facetious a spin?!??

    This from the author of, “Foamier screenwriting student”?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  419. 414. Lee
    What do you mean by that and how do you know?

    Can wordpress dates be faked?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  420. Update: WordPress dates can be modified.

    So this qritiq is possibly just someone spoofing.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  421. #344. Daleyrocks I did not see anything to make me believe that he was anyone other than who he said he was. Of course, I have always used Twitter to post political stuff and my opinions so I only interacted with people on that basis.
    I only noted one strange thing: He would never post articles/links. It would always be Weiner news or a reply to something I tweeted.Or a “hello” to everyone RT’d a million times.
    So, I guess the answer is no. I took him at face value, considering that I had no interaction with him in “real life”. And I never studied his “act” then. Now I’m more discreet,obviously.
    I was very ignorant to this world up until this event took place. It never seemed to be a place where this stuff happened,or somewhere I could get myself embroiled into a scandal like this.
    There was a person in our group for awhile, and I’ll leave his name out for right now,who followed our group and RAW. I told Patriot and passed word around to block him. We did but this person does not appear to be a sock,because he still posts and doesnt follow me.If he follows the rest of the group,I do not know but will check.
    You can DM me , or I will email Sarah W with the name and you can check him out yourself until we think it’s right to post his name here.
    Hope that adds some clarity. If not, fire away .

    goatsred (b20383)

  422. goatsred@423 – Thanks for the response. Some people just don’t know how to post links, but who knows. Hopefully my question my sense to you.

    I’m not on twitter, but thank you for the offer.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  423. 396 – You presume too much. lchop.

    First, I do not dislike Lee’s theory at all and think it is a simple explanation for convoluted shenanigan. If it even matters, I’ve been saying so for some time. However, I think a solid case stands all the kicking you can give it.
    Checking would only strengthen, if all is as it seems.
    If all is not as it seems, checking could reveal it.

    I am saying something different about JG than you seem to be hearing, I think.

    I’m saying Lee’s caller, the report-maker, could be a poser.
    A poser who refers people to Lew Hunter.

    The value of a Lew Hunter reference depends on the strength of certainty that she hasn’t directed people to an accomplice(s)
    and that she is actually the student, not jut someone purporting to be.

    It means little for [verified] Lew Hunter to say “yes, I know a Jenny George of MA. She has attended my seminars” unless he provides information that Lee’s caller is THAT PARTICULAR Jenny George, as opposed to someone pretending to be that former student.

    I would do two things to cross-reference and double-check.

    I would contact (If I were going to contact anyone, which I am not) Lew Hunter through his UCLA contact information.

    If he were willing to provide himself as a reference for Lee’s caller, (which he might not be) he CAN provide more than information that JG exists.

    He might confirm anything from an address from his records to a birthmark on her shoulder; basically any kind of detail that would tie Lee’s caller to Lew’s student.

    If LewH is verifiably the speaker and his student verifiably Lee’s caller, then Lee I believe has got at least one party to the hoaxing and probably all of them- all the socks.

    If LewH turns out to have been in Argentina the day of Preston/lee’s calls I think that might be significant and imply another hoaxer is in on the game.

    At this point it is more difficult to establish that Lee’s caller is really Lew’s student and not just posing as the Jenny George who went to his seminars. Jenny might have cooperated with a request for identifying detail ( if really the student), and the professor might have cooperated more readily before being exposed and worried about implying a student is a fruitcake.

    Now, general physical description, sending him a picture, matching up of addresses, the sort of thing available from the detective or the police report, is all that will be obtainable.

    But it ought to be checked.

    You might think it absolutely outlanding that Lee’s caller would be bold enough to fake being someone else to the point of filing a police report, and meeting an officer at the address she gave.

    Take nothing for granted, though, trust no one, because even if it isn’t, the situation has all the hallmarks of an Encyclopedia Dramatic magnet, especially confused and hidden and faked identities. These have already happened, be on your guard for more.

    Doesn’t mean there are any, just that double checking is prudent.

    SarahW (af7312)

  424. SarahW – Stop personally attacking lamchopsl. Heh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  425. I don’t post much because you guys are just much better at this than I. That said.
    Goatsred and daily rocks
    I’m sure you had no reason to doubt patriot until this why would you. So please DO NOT take this next comment as questioning that. You have been through more than enough.
    Just a thought I had yesterday after reading the old DM btwn Patriot and that film guy.
    As conservatives or whatever do any of you rant like that? I mean he used the word hate like 50 times? I don’t know it just sounded like someone who thinks they know that conservatives are filled with hate. Patriot wasn’t even in AW district right? I lived in NY, I’ve met his wife (very nice) and I never hated him. More like an annoying fly.
    I thought it sounded much more like Simon Sinister.
    haha how funny is it every time Patterico says “Hi Neil”

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  426. Lambchopsl is smart and cool.

    SarahW (af7312)

  427. Blackburnsghost – Your powers of observation seem strong enough to me.

    No it is not normal. It’s a tell – a put-on of rage. Overdoing it, protesting too much, is a feature of the sockwriter and one reason the sockwriting sucks so badly.

    SarahW (af7312)

  428. @Stranahan It just occurred to me that you and @JohnReid9 now agree about Preston. She’s as bad as JR9 says. Interesting.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  429. Blackburnsghost – That conversation just looked to me like somebody who was accustomed to communicating by IM or tweet.

    Also you have to remember the insulting crazy crap personal theories floated about him by people like Stranahan and how he could not possibly been in a position to have been in a position to see Weiner’s tweet which turned out to be absolute BS. Yeah, so I understand the rage.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  430. lamchopsl – Lee admitted on BTR last night that he had not documented things in this story because he had wasted time going down rabbit holes and getting yelled at. It’s a piss poor excuse, but the lack of documentation is what the bulk of bitching is about in this thread and Lee fans it himself when he asks questions people if you think there’s a problem, what’s an alternate explanation. You have a persistent inability as SarahW and I have both pointed out to understand this concept.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  431. Lee – Since you mentioned it on BTR last night, can you be specific about anything that the Reid personas have done that is anti-Weiner? How does that fit with Jenny in Boston being Nikki and being very liberal?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  432. 426. SarahW

    I’m saying Lee’s caller, the report-maker, could be a poser.

    OK, so you are acknowledging that Lees caller, the person that Jen Preston talked to and the person who filed the police report and later spoke to the Boston detective are the same person? Do you acknowledge that this person is named Jenny George?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  433. Lee,

    I’m listening to your extended Blog Talk Radio show from last night and have reached a point of confusion on what you’re saying that Preston’s position on why to not pursue the person behind the call you received from Jen George in Boston (who Preston has talked to several times):

    1) You said earlier that Preston said that Prof Lew Hunter’s site may be a phony and the prof may have punked Preston/you.

    – You disagree. You think Hunter is real and was truthful.

    2) You said last night that Preston said that Jen George in Boston’s @startchild111 twitter was hacked so that JG is not responsible for the Weiner activity of Nikki. Preston: “Lee there’s nothing to tie JG into that Nikki Reid account.”

    – You disagree. (I don’t think Pru proved that the account was hacked or not hacked. Either could be the case) but you say it was not hacked. You say that Preston buys JG’s story that the account was hacked, “absolutely, hook,line and sinker.”

    So in case 1) you say Preston is saying that JG’s evidence (the prof) is fake….so Preston won’t pursue (this goes too deep, she warns you)

    And in case 2) you say Preston is saying that JG’s story is true….so Preston won’t pursue.

    So I don’t understand how you say Preston both incorrectly disbelieves JG’s story and simultaneously incorrectly believe’s JG’s story.

    The only consistent parts are 1) you disagree with Preston on the conclusions to be drawn from the evidence, and 2) Preston is not pursuing the case, no matter what excuse she gives.

    Isn’t that a bit messed up?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  434. Thank you SarahW. I don’t know who the heck Patriot is but it just sounded so “over the top”. Not unlike JReid was so “under the top” *trademark BGhost 🙂
    For example I have a legitimate reason to be pissed as hell because my community is being systematically
    destroyed RIGHT NOW, I literally cried at a recent local parade and I still have never spoken like that. I just went and checked some sites/commentors I follow just to double check the temperature and people are incredulous about various issues but they have a fantastic sense of humor and they are intelligent. Not “I’m not a bright guy” slobber/burp that Patriot also said about 50 times. Ewww I just remembered he kept going on and on about his daughter being a victim even AFTER the film guy told him to stop. Twice.Ugh what? I’m sorry if you are a real person patriot I really am but I can’t help wonder.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  435. Daleyrocks like I said just thinking out loud. I don’t communicate via DM or IM or whatever so I don’t know.
    This whole thing is nuts and again if he is a real person I’m sorry for his trouble.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  436. I am dubious about Lee’s theory of separating motives between the personal and the political. For the left, the personal and the political are inseparable, they define people. Just try to have a rational discussion about politics with a liberal and see how personal it becomes for them.

    I think it is also a mistake think Lee has been correct or even consistent on his thinking about Dan Wolfe during the course of this story. He has not. I’ll be happy to document it when I return later.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  437. Comment by lamchopsl — 7/2/2011 @ 8:29 am

    Who doesn’t acknowledge that the hoaxer(Lee’s Caller) claims to be Jenny George?

    Or that (assuming he really spoke to the real Lew Hunter) Lew Hunter had a student named Jenny George?

    SarahW (af7312)

  438. 440. SarahW

    I am not asking if she claimed to be Jenny George. I am asking you if you acknowledge that that person is named Jenny George. That is, did she identify herself to the detective an Jenny Goerge and the detective confirmed that he was speaking to the person named Jenny George that filed the complaint?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  439. Koam, I can’t speak for Preston, but I do think she was misunderstood by Lee (as I was).

    My read: She was saying she’s not ready to make any declaration of what’s going on based on the information she has.

    Not following up with the prof would be inexcusable.

    Not getting hold of her personal info from the Police report and checking in to see if the [verified] prof to see if matches his records is another.

    Not speaking to the detective would be inexcusable.

    Maybe Preston knows something we don’t, and it shapes her opinions. If she doesn’t, maybe general interest in the story has faded so ar he doesn’t want to put in the effort.

    Is she the only person in the world who can investigate and gather information and report it?

    No. So find out if the story is dropped like a hot potato, if so, stop worrying about what she thinks or does.

    SarahW (af7312)

  440. Lamchopsl, I don’t know if she is Jenny George or someone posing as her.

    SarahW (af7312)

  441. “they define people. Just try to have a rational discussion about politics with a liberal and see how personal it becomes for them.”
    Truth

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  442. Could we not take that link to the qritiq blog that Lee posted earlier (top photo,unlabeled is same photo as a Jen Preston from Boston on a private Facebook profile) and send it to Prof. Lew Hunter and ask,

    “Dear Prof. Hunter,
    Sorry to bother you, but do you recognize the person in this photograph? If so, what is the name of the person?
    Thank you and Happy 4th.”

    And send the same thing to the Detective in Boston?

    well, I guess we cannot because that page has now been removed from qritiq. http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/look-a-likes/

    but we could use the photo from the facebook profile page (woman in business attire, yellow blouse, under dark jacket, leaning forward into camera, hands on desk)

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  443. lamchopsl,

    I don’t understand your insistence upon treating “understandings” and “acknowledgments” as truth. In pressing SarahW to “acknowledge” certain propositions you are merely insisting she has the same “understanding” as you when the facts are not iron-clad.

    As SaraW points out, nobody is saying a police report wasn’t filed or that the person Lee spoke with didn’t claim to be Jenny George. It’s a matter of corroboration. And no, the professor’s phone acknowledgment is not good enough.

    We all know who JGCA is. She has a website, a twitter, can be easily contacted, and has a work history that can be verified. And the only reason she is caught up in this is because of the ghost of JGMA (beyond a name, we do not know who she is). How do we know the professor didn’t have JGCA in mind when he verified her existence?

    Crispian (70c05e)

  444. koam,

    I still see the picture in google cache. Was that page created by Ms. Lipton? Despite the nearly exactly one year ago date on it, the picture caption is “JG?” and is tagged as “politics.”

    Crispian (70c05e)

  445. Anybody out there please correct me if I am wrong, but when you walk into a police station and say, “Hello, my name is Daffy Duck, and I’d like to file a complaint against Lee Stranahan for threatening to kill me.”

    The Desk Sargent politely replies, “We’d be happy to take your complaint Mr. Duck, if you would please just fill out this form. Oh, and by the way, may I see your identification?”

    And when the decetive goes out to interview the person making the complaint, he also asks for identification to ensure he is talking to the person who made the complaint.

    So here’s my next question: if you believe the person who called Lee and Jen Preston and filed the police complaint and then spoke with the detective isn’t really named Jenny George, then isn’t it reasonable to assume that this person has some sort of serious identification, such as a drivers license or passport, that identifies her as Jenny George?

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  446. lamchopsl,

    It’s reasonable to assume, but I’m sure one doesn’t need identification. (“Sorry ma’am, I don’t care what crime you want to report, no ID, no investigation.”)

    But again, it’s a matter of knowing it was the same person that Lee spoke with and if it was, then determining who that person is beyond a mere name.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  447. At work bored.
    Just read this http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/28/989469/-Disingenuous-Chart,-Dishonest-DA-(Weinergate)?via=search
    Stranded Wind=Marooned Fart? High and dry gas bag?
    Again just thinking out loud…whistling minding my own business.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  448. 446. Crispian

    There are no iron-clad facts. There are only degrees of certainty. JGCA could be an elaborate hoax also. You cannot be 100% certain that the person standing in front of you in the grocery store check out line isn’t a visitor from another space-time continuum.

    The reason I am using words like acknowledge is I am trying to find out the level of certainty that is required for someone with whom I am talking to say something is, as you say, an iron-clad fact.

    If the guy in line behind me in the grocery store check out line starts asking me to prove that I am not a visitor from another space-time continuum, I might rightfully expect that men in white coats toss a butterfly net over him. And if people on this forum start contacting people to exclude extremely unlikely conspiracy hypotheses, they might expect the same response.

    If you read JGCA’s Weinerpage she seems to think everybody on this forum is a crazy conspiracy theorist. I would argue that she is wrong, some people on this forum are not.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  449. 448 lamchopsl

    that sounds right.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  450. 447 Crispian

    You’re referring to my 445.

    I don’t know who Ms. [redacted] is.

    The qritiq blog page was, Lee says, intentionally mis-dated a year earlier. I tested and you can mis-date posts on wordpress.

    So its value is much less if it was just posted yesterday with some photo found online by searching “jennifer george boston” ( I found same photo a week ago that way). If it had really been posted a year ago on same page with Nikki Reed and J-Lo then that was gonna be big news. Lee spread it, not sure why. but he was asking who owned the blog…so perhaps the blogger was up to a little misdirection because of that fake date.

    The blog has a weather widget with the ZIP for Roslyn, NY (long island).

    The photo I would consider entirely random, one of many candidates. It could be emailed to Prof and Detective for some level of corrobroation…so if another photo of same lady shows up elsewhere we will know we are looking at the one who took courses and/or filed police reports. That would be real information.

    But in the interim

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  451. Please take a look at this blog post …http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/look-a-likes/

    Geez, all this time, and no one ever once mentioned that she was a babe. I might have actually paid attention.

    Jenny, if you’re out there, I’ve got Sox tickets. We’ll get some Fenway franks and forget about the whole Weinie thing. Later we can help Norm tweet random body parts to strangers. It’ll be fun.

    You know where to find me. (The place where every one knows – oh wait, never mind that part).

    Cheers,
    Sammy

    Sam Malone (f24ed2)

  452. witter,

    You mean this picture?

    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/23073_1104744369_8766_n.jpg

    The link for this FB page was sent to Lee on June 27 by @lanelipton on twitter

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  453. 420 kill me now.

    SarahW (af7312)

  454. Name goes with the blog. Was she just guessing? Seems so. Wouldn’t be terrible to show the detective, however.

    SarahW (af7312)

  455. This is a bit of an aside but has anyone looked at RBrynaert twitter today? So weird
    also I’m not getting the connection with this picture?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  456. If you don’t think some caution about JGMA’s identity is necessary in a context where it is supposed the hoaxer (lees caller) is a liar, and a liar who fakes identities and identification documents, you are silly.

    SarahW (af7312)

  457. If you don’t think some caution about JGMA’s identity is necessary in a context where it is supposed the hoaxer (lees caller) is a liar, and a liar who fakes identities and identification documents, you are silly.

    Yes, it’s entirely possible that JGMA is just a victim. And if that’s the case then JGCA’s point about “veering into potential vigilantism” is really not that far off the mark. In any case, caution certainly can do no harm.

    It’s entirely possible that JGMA is:
    1) The person in the writing class
    2) The person who filed the police report

    But is NOT:
    1) The person who called Lee
    2) The SockPuppeteer
    3) Alicia Pain, (et al.)

    It’s also possible that she could even be the SockPuppeteer (which may be marignally unethical, but is certainly not illegal) and still be in no other way involved.

    piglet (1bb7dc)

  458. A)I believe the woman who called Lee on 6/19 claimed to be Jenny George. I do not believe Lee lies.

    B)I believe the woman filing a police report in Boston some time between 6/19 and 6/26 claiming she had received death threats from Lee Stranahan also claimed to be named Jenny George.

    lamchopsl A therefore = B

    Daley, SarahW, koam show your work to prove claim A=B

    Stranahan on BTR radio last night – I have been too busy going down rabbit holes and getting yelled at to document my work.

    lamchopsl A=B

    Shoot me now.

    Stranahan – If you don’t think I’ve proved my conclusion, suggest an alternate rational explanation.

    Stranahan – Why are you people suggesting crazy alternate scenarios?

    Stranahan

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  459. The order at the end got a little garbled there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  460. 458. Blackburnsghost

    I noticed the same thing earlier but got sidetracked. Pure paranoia, plus it looks like people are eschewing him. That’s understandable given his recent strange behavior. He seem to be lashing out at everybody trying to get anybody to contact him. If it isn’t drug induced, it’s classic clinical.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  461. Any metadata in those pics that might offer clues?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  462. Well, one obvious sign that the blog post dated 6/30/2010 is suspect relates to the filename of the Jennifer Lopez image:

    http://www.hotnewsonglyrics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jennifer-Lopez-Put-On-You-Hooked-On-You-Lyrics.jpg

    But all that dated filename proves is that the post has been edited after or around April 2011. Has anyone else found any other indicators for that post’s actual date?

    h2u (0025d1)

  463. h2u

    It is a blatant misdate. Most probably only the year is changed from 2011 to 2010. Biggest clue as to the lacking merit is that the person used “JG?” as the picture’s title (when you hover over it). Clearly the person isn’t sure and may have just found the picture in the same manner as koam a week ago.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  464. Crispian, I am absolutely convinced you’re correct — but this whole investigation has been marred by the lack of convincing proof for a significant amount of “known facts.” The more clear-cut evidence we have, the better.

    h2u (0025d1)

  465. I have been following this story more closely in the last few weeks than I’d admit to anyone outside the circle of this readership. The story and sleuthing by Lee et al brought me to this blog which I didn’t read otherwise. I am intrigued as much by the characters and dynamics as the motivation and actions. I can’t wait to get home and see what happened while I was gone. “Yes,” I whisper, “I am a weineraholic.”

    I’ve spent the last few days trying to get the story and mystery clear in my head—no easy task when post comments hit the 400+ mark. I am sketchy on some of the conversations and who did what as weinergate was unfolding so perhaps amid work this holiday weekend, I’ll jump back and refresh myself. I am not sure there are answers there but I fear my addiction will force me to return. Until then.. I have defined for myself what I care about.. and what I don’t.

    Here are the questions that I don’t find relevant to my understanding:

    1.Is the professor/Lew Hunter real? – or more accurately is he who/what he’s presented as. First of all, I find it odd that a character (or real person) would offer up a professor as verification of his/her authenticity. I was pretty close with a handful of my professors and advisors—in very small schools/programs and never would it occur to me, even while enrolled, to use a professor to say I am who I say I am. When I need to prove I am who I say I am, I use proper ID– a DL, a passport. My bank isnt likely to take the word of my professor, my friend or my own mother. They want real identification to link my person to my action.

    Secondly, he’s not really provided any real information. Perhaps some insight—but even if he is real and does know the same JG who is believed to have been operating the Nikki Reid accounts, who contacted Lee and who reported death threats to BPD, his impression is still subjective and based on limited interaction. We’re not talking an old family friend here—we’re talking a professor—a leader of a workshop. Where he would be of great value is if someone had a photo of the JG who made the police report—or of screen capture of a skype convo JG as she was talking to Lee. That photo doesn’t exist as far as I know. It’s in the “wouldn’t it be great if we had … “ bucket. Without it– LH serves no purpose.

    OK.. there was only one. It feels like there should be more that doesnt matter.

    eman (0c693d)

  466. I agree h2u. I think every bit of evidence needs to be taken with a grain of salt as any piece can be misdirection by a troll. That is why so many of us are skeptical about the identity of JGMA. Even assuming Lee is absolutely right that JG is JG is JG…is she relevant to the story or not? Why aren’t we finding that that out if we know who she is?

    I think there is a split between those who think this mystery can be solved in a linear fashion, taking evidence at face value; and those of us who are happy to leave everything up in the air until it all snaps into place, letting any extraneous bits of information then fall away.

    I’m a mere spectator but it does seem wise to follow the latter route. But in any event, both Poirot and Scooby Doo solved mysteries in their own way – even though the latter sometimes involved pulling off mask after mask.

    Crispian (70c05e)

  467. 461. daleyrocks

    Would be great to have the actual timing of the list of events that I posted earlier.

    Evidence that A=B might include that JG gave JP the name of Prof Lew Hunter and also gave that to Detective (perhaps to desk sergeant?) but without timing, we don’t know if she could have learned of the Lew Hunter referral from Lee online before naming Lew Hunter to BPD.

    Same goes for other things Lee said JG said on phone, all learnable online and coulda been parroted by a 2nd JG who went to police.

    However we believe the JG who went to police is very likely the real JG as it’s been deduced that she must have had to verify her identity to BPD more than once and that they likely do independent verification on claimants.

    We need the timing.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  468. 465 h2u

    why does date of post matter now? as long as it’s not really a year ago, then we know that it was intentionally mis-dated to mislead us. And now it’s gone.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  469. The JGMA who went to Boston PD is real. No question. I just wonder if it is necessarily true that the JG that called Lee is the same person.

    If JGMA had an old twitter account that included personal information, and it was co-opted by someone who later contacted her making threats as “Lee’s follower,” wouldn’t the person making the threats to JGMA be able to impersonate her well enough in a call to Lee?

    1. They would have enough personal information about her to identify themselves as that person on a call to Lee.

    2. They would have the details about the threatening call, since they were the one that made it, including what JGMA would likely report to police.

    If I don’t have all the details and there is more to it, fine, but from what I have read here, just because a JGMA says similar things to the Boston PD as Lee’s caller doesn’t necessarily make them the same person.

    Considering we have been dealing with fake personalities for weeks I think better verification is necessary.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  470. That is why so many of us are skeptical about the identity of JGMA.

    I’m skeptical of just about every single “fact” asserted by Stranahan or Preston… There has not been nearly enough verification to warrant many of the statements uttered by both.

    h2u (0025d1)

  471. 474 eman

    the reasoning wanders from “Is Lew Hunter real?” to “why would she use Lew Hunter as reference?” to “it doesn’t matter what Lew Hunter says.”

    1) Lew Hunter is real. It’s possible, but very unlikely that both Lee and Preston talked to a fakey Lew Hunter and Mrs. Lew Hunter.

    2) To students, famous professors are the most prominent people they deal with on a regular basis. Just because you wouldn’t use a professor as a reference, doesn’t mean this woman in her early 20s wouldn’t. I certainly used professors as references all the time at that age. The professors liked me and their prominence added credibility for me.

    3) Lew Hunter can confirm that there is a real JG and some factual and subjective info about JG. It doesn’t prove that the caller was the real JG. The caller could have been someone with knowledge of JG’s life pretending to be JG and also running the starchild account. But it’s more likely that she is just JG.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  472. why does date of post matter now? as long as it’s not really a year ago, then we know that it was intentionally mis-dated to mislead us. And now it’s gone.

    I’m honestly just interested in cementing down as many facts as possible regarding the timing involved in this entire affair. In this particular instance, I’ve seen numerous assertions that the post is misdated but I’d really like to see the evidence verifying that.

    Right now the only factual evidence I’ve seen is the date of the J-Lo photo. And all that can actually prove is that the post was *edited* sometime after April 2011. There are other clues that suggest the post was created with the back-date of June 30, 2010, but I’d like to see the facts.

    What else do we have?

    h2u (0025d1)

  473. h2u,

    I have to run, but I saw that “Hover” as well. I thought it an interesting notation of some kind.

    Gennette was/is claiming to be searching for the identities. It is still not clear if she was working with others. Some suggest RAW himself.

    Could the people here be covering ground that someone else has aready covered?

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  474. “Yes,” I whisper, “I am a weineraholic.”
    hahaha I think I peed my pants…so.funny.

    lambchps
    It’s scary and sad

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  475. Just thinking out loud. I found it intriguing.
    That is all.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  476. Oh, and Blackburnsghost, I haven’t forgotten your questions to me. I havn’t been ignoring you.

    Not sure of branches, but the connection would have to be long before.

    Ok, I’m leaving for now… Really!

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  477. koam 477

    1. I am not asking the question is LH real. I am saying I dont think the question is relevant. I have no reason to doubt he’s real.. however, some here have questioned whether he’s who we think he is. JP definitely questioned that according to Lee.

    2. While I surely used professors as references for jobs, credibility in my field, applications to grad schools, I wouldn’t have offered one up to the police. I surely wouldn’t have used a professor who ran an out-of-state WORKSHOP. He wasnt her advisor.. or even someone she took many classes with. She stayed at his home while taking a seminar. Perhaps they are now best buds. Perhaps that would change my mind. The fact remains, I find it odd.

    3. Agreed. LH did provide some facts and some subjective info about a woman who took his workshop. He can’t, however, confirm the link from his student to the JGMA who is starchild111 or who called Lee or who filed a BPD report. LH can’t prove anything of value.

    eman (176a86)

  478. So now Lee is trolling everyone following this to prove a point? Great.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  479. The arguments are getting more ridiculous each hour.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  480. 326,27,28,29…I do not know why he has a problem with me. He wants a sacrificial lamb and figures that I will sit back and take it. Posting that he knows that I ” did this and that and he knows it” just makes him look stupid. Based on his history and him calling Greg Howard’s children ” F–k–le”during “Twittergate”proves that he has some issues.
    Im just sitting back and watching him self destruct.

    goatsred (b20383)

  481. ==There are no iron-clad facts. There are only degrees of certainty==

    Congrats Crispian– you just received the same sermon I got 24 hours ago. In fact (as you are acutely aware) a few of us have been discussing the same basic issue about proof and verification on this same thread for almost 36 hours now. Crazy!

    As an aside, most everyone (I think) recognizes that good people can have different mental processes that guide their lives and thought patterns. Some us us are detail oriented–some are more oriented to the big picture. Some tend to be more trusting, some people even can be considered gullible– others are more leery by nature, some people are suspicious to a fault. Some people are convinced through linear logic–other folks are inspired by stream-of- consciousness creativity. Some people see humor almost everything–others have just had a more serious and sensitive side probably since birth. All of these traits have been exhibited at various times by various commenters on this blog. Great. Shows we’re human and are engaged in this story.

    That said, what I just don’t get is this, though: As far as I can see from reviewing the comments nobody really is telling lam (or Lee or Temper) to change their minds about their theories or demanding they accept other storyline possibilities. Yet lam, for instance, seems focused, intent, dare we say obsessed, in trying to get other commenters (including daily, SarahW, you, me, Maybee) to accept his (Lee’s) version exclusively without respecting whatever verification any of us individually might feel we need in order to comfortably do so. Why? Even if lam is satisfied and does not himself feel any need for more background verification, why is he apparently so personally offended if others see loose ends they’d still like to tie down?

    Bottom line–What is the end game? What if every single commenter here in unison said of Lee’s (not fully fleshed out in writing) Weinergate sock theory, “The Science is Settled!” Then what would happen next? Is there a next step? Does it involve light bulbs and energy credits?

    elissa (27a5d6)

  482. I cant know if Lee’s theory is the right one, but it’s the most or only plausible one right now in my view.

    Time will tell.

    The contradiction between Lew H “She’s very liberal politically” and the JG who called Lee “I’m just into reality shows, I know nothing about politics” tells us they’re not coordinated/co-conspirators.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  483. “Why?”

    elissa – [Using my James Earl Jones voice] What are you trying to say, my dear?

    I just figured we have new bunch of Obama voters commenting, which is a good thing, but that we have not dumbed down the content of comments far enough to where they can comprehend them.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  484. Why would some hoaxer use a real identity ( JG ) behind the twitter starchild , to later change it to Nikki reed?
    Why would that hoaxer be prepared to release very specific information on JG ( Lew H connection ) ?
    Was this planned by the hoaxer that someone would track back the starchild account to JG by first finding out the jenay name and the connection to JG?
    When did the hoaxer plan to frame JG?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  485. 487 elissa.

    “Conjecture is over.”

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  486. Elissa , someone could ask Lew H what JG looks like ,and ask the same to the police who saw JG MA and filed the report.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  487. 487. elisia

    I am not personally offended by others’ opinions. I am typically responding to other people who are challenging mine. I usually don’t comment on the comments advocating extreme due diligence. That’s OK by me. I do feel when everybody is doing it on this fourm, it starts to make it look a little kooky. But I don’t feel I have to advertise my point of view, or continually harp on the subject. And I have not accepted Lee’s conclusions as facts. But i do think he has a reasonable approach to distinguishing the sublime from the absurd.

    lamchopsl (a91fe8)

  488. We need to refute questioned testimony with specific evidentiary facts.

    That someone’s statements don’t fit the popular theory isn’t what makes them lies.

    We also have to remember that we are getting a lot of testimony second-hand. Someone saying what someone else said or meant. This can be misleading.

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  489. When Patterico was pushing on JR, the walls started shaking, ghosts flew out of the closets, and the Devil himself appeared. Everody ran to the rabbit hole, while Pat stayed with the source.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  490. “The Science is Settled!” Then what would happen next? Is there a next step? Does it involve light bulbs and energy credits?

    Oh how I love this comment. With my entire stash of incancesdents.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  491. “The Science is Settled” That’s hilarious.

    First it was the Koch brothers circle of crazy fun and now we’ve got AGW. That’s two awesome loops in leftie craziness. Bulging briefs cause global warming AGW Anthony’s Global Warming. We might be on to something here as the conspiracy heads out for another lap.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  492. Comment by Blackburnsghost — 7/2/2011 @ 9:56 am

    I took your lead and went over there and looked at all of those articles and my name being in all of them.It has just made me more aware of all of the defamation that Neal “Stranded Wind” is causing to be attached to my name I want to thank you for pointing this out to me. I have been staying away from the Commie Rag he spews his hate in because I have just experienced his lies and slander for two months now.
    He is an evil organism.

    goatsred (b20383)

  493. Do you think he’s Sourshoes’ brother?

    koam @wittier (62b38e)

  494. A question here as to motive for followers of Patterico’s theory. It is at least the case that the starchild111 account owner who, writing under a false avatar, went to lengths to get Weiner to follow him/her is the same person who tried to have it reported that Breitbart was asking him/her to lie.

    Clearly this person does not like Breitbart, but how does obsessing over Weiner under false pretenses fit the theory of a sting on Breitbart? All of that effort just to be able to seem to have the goods? And the seeking Weiner campaign began when Weiner was following fewer than 100 people. Weiner does not look like a means to an end for starchild111 – he looks like the end itself.

    So again, what motive do you see behind the sweep of starchild’s actions from the start of his/her pursuit of Weiner?

    Nathan Wagner (39d8fb)

  495. “Clearly this person does not like Breitbart, but how does obsessing over Weiner under false pretenses fit the theory of a sting on Breitbart?”

    Nathan – If the purpose of the sting is to embarrass Breitbart by getting him to bite on a false smear of Weiner, I don’t follow the rest of your comment. The account was only speaking with Ginger and Gennette about politics for a couple of months before Weiner outed himself with the dic pic.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  496. @500 Nathan Wagner

    Love for Weiner and hatred of Breitbart isn’t mutually exclusive nor do I think starchild111’s initial motives were to destroy Breitbart, but rather, to get close to Weiner. Breitbart was only accused when starchild felt that a politician he/she beloved was being brought into negative limelight unnecessarily by Breitbart. Only when Weiner confessed and Breitbart was vindicated did the Reid’s story begin to change.

    rogerthat (f5aad4)

  497. The account was speaking with ginger and genette precisely because they were being followed by Weiner. I want you to tell me how you read the motive for that.

    Nathan Wagner (2d2146)

  498. Rogerthat, I agree. But in that case the starchild Weiner seeking was not part of a sting on Breitbart. Isn’t that contrary to the theory Pat hints at?

    Nathan Wagner (2d2146)

  499. #487 – elissa, you wrote:

    a few of us have been discussing the same basic issue about proof and verification on this same thread for almost 36 hours now. Crazy!

    It’s been a busy day, but coming in where I left off last night, you seem to have it right.

    At some point, there has to be a way to settle if JG who called Lee is identical to JG who filed the police report (investigation dropped, I see) or not. Just as a for-instance.

    It’s gotten crazy, all right.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  500. Nikki was following GC, GL AND Ethel. All three Discussing weiner. All initiated by Nikki

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  501. wow.

    Patterico is still on this?

    The Wingularity is near.

    wheeler's cat (e1af5e)

  502. @506 – Yes, precisely. Motive?

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  503. “The account was speaking with ginger and genette precisely because they were being followed by Weiner. I want you to tell me how you read the motive for that.”

    Nathan – To me, the DM’s speak for themselves – How did you get Weiner to follow you?, etc. Build credibility before the sting. No mystery. TommyX bought that they were real people.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  504. daleyrocks, let’s talk about this. I realize these are basic questions, but (1) what credibility? and (2) how is the sting intended to go down?

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  505. #508

    Should be fairly obvious. Nikki’s twitter account as it went from starchild in name to Nikki Reid in name was GL. (march)

    March is when GL started DMing with wiener. Nikki followed GL and tweeted GL about weiner.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  506. Left out…

    Nikki’s FIRST NEW twitter FOLLOWER on her account as it went from starchild in name to Nikki Reid in name was GL. (march)

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  507. az5thdstrct,
    Okay, so are you saying the purpose of the account was to establish a relationship with Weiner – or was the purpose something larger?

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  508. Gennette, while doing an investigation, felt something was up with Nikki, then conversed with Nikki for a considerable period of time. Gennette claims that during those conversations, Nikki never brought up Weiner. So, Gennette brought up Wiener to Nikki first, eventually encouraging Nikki to contact Weiner and ask him to follow.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  509. #513

    I’m saying to gather info on Weiner. With the info dumps from JR9, there’s info on weiner, right?

    Much of it not positive. Supposed GC/AW flirting that GC explains. More DM’s with cursing to Nikki etc

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  510. Okay, az5thdstrct, gathering info on Weiner for what purpose?

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  511. #516

    I have my theory. If you want to continue to discuss yours, I’ll read it

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  512. My point, here, is that I have a hard time with Pat’s theory – which I understand to be that the account was intended as a sting to get Breitbart.

    But if Pat’s theory is correct, it seems to me that the Weiner obsession tail is wagging the Breitbart sting dog.

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  513. 2. While I surely used professors as references for jobs, credibility in my field, applications to grad schools, I wouldn’t have offered one up to the police. I surely wouldn’t have used a professor who ran an out-of-state WORKSHOP

    Yes, the idea of JG having offered her workshop professor as a reference to the police really makes no sense at all. (And on all kinds of different levels).

    Surely the police would not normally ask for references from someone reporting a crime (especially in the South End of Boston).

    And surely if the victim of an alleged threat were to give the police the name of someone to vouch for their credibility, the police would not normally give that person’s name to anyone they called in the course of their investigation.

    If the professors name was mentioned by JG, the only thing that makes sense is that it was mentioned as part of the events surrounding the incident. For example, she may have mentioned (if she was aware of it) that the twitter account opened under her name had been connected to her via the fact she was following the professor Hunter’s writing program. Or perhaps (if she was aware of it) that LS had contacted this professor about her.

    Of course, not everything in this story _does_ make senses, so who knows – maybe she just mentions his name to everyone she meets. It would certainly be odd for the police to do to same though.

    Johnathan Creek (1bb7dc)

  514. Nathan – Motive – Sting Breitbart with false Weiner smear. Am I going too fast?

    I sting going to be more credible coming from admitted Weiner fans and correspondents who are disappointed in his conduct or from rabid conservatives? Am I going too fast?

    “Much of it not positive.”

    az5thdstrct Lee kept making references to negative info. Can you elaborate?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  515. #487 elissa,

    Well said!

    Crispian (70c05e)

  516. daleyrocks, your pace is just fine. So the account owner’s plan is supposed to go down like this:
    (1) Establish account under false pretenses (i.e. pretend to be high school girl)
    (2) Develop relationships with women Weiner follows in order to find out how to get Weiner to follow the account.
    (3) Get Weiner follow.
    (4) Go to Breitbart with fake dirt.
    (5) Reveal it was a farce after Breitbart publishes.

    Is that it?

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  517. DaleyRocks

    Not stating all negative, but some. If you have time, go back thru the info dump with negative in mind. Maybe you’ll see more/less than I did. IMO, it’s masked at times because it was presented with a focus towards GC.

    JR9 did not have a context of the GC/Weiner DM’s that “appear” to be flirty DMs. GC claims she was suspicious of Nikki, so she presented flirty in that context.

    without that context via JR9, flirty was flirty and a supposed DM convo with GC/AW flirting. At least via GC with multiple DMs

    There was the discovery of more than just two DMs between AW/Nikki. In fact, many more. Including cursing to a supposed minor.

    There was JR’s answer regarding wife’s statement:

    Unfortunately my wife does not stand by her letter. It was actually Patterico’s story on Ethel that causedus to question our daughter’s claim of only 2 DM’s between her and Rep Weiner. After Patterico’s story uncovered the discrepancy of Ethel saying there were 2 DM’s when later on itturned out to be 5 or 6, my wife and I questioned this.Thanks to Patterico, we realized we were in the same situation as Ethel and her parents. There weremore DM’s that Nikki did not want us to see. We gave Rep Weiner the benefit of the doubt at the time when my wife wrote her statement.Now we are disturbed about some of the content. Although we don’t want to jump to any conclusions.Since so many people have jumped to conclusions throughout this ordeal, it wouldn’t be fair.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  518. Nathan @522 – Did not 1-4 happen, with an intermediary in #4?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  519. az5thdstrct – I completely discount JR9 statements since they were made after dic pic appeared.

    I don’t really care about GC’s impression of Nikki either.

    I’m looking for negative stuff about Weiner from Reids prior to dic pic appearing. Dic pic was a game changer. I’m not recalling negatives but will look.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  520. Mistakes were made.

    And possibly the single biggest mistake (except, of course for the actual dic pic tweet) was whoever had the brilliant idea for the bizarre pro Weiner-anti Breitbart contact by “Betty’s mom” which resulted in the first Tommy Christopher article on June 3. That was both a huge mistake and a big tell as to motive. At that point you will recall that Weiner was still denying all, was swinging from interview to interview and was getting strong support from the progressive blogosphere. So, for a couple of days it looked like Betty’s mom had further shored up AW’s reputation as an innocent, involved, misunderstood social media aficionado who had somehow gotten pranked. So far, so good. Right wing internet “harassers” and Breitbart are still in the bullseye even though Tommy did play down that angle.

    But all that fell apart just a couple days later. When Weiner tearfully admitted much (but not all) on June 6, the Betty mom story suddenly started to look ridiculous and kind of hokey to just about everybody– people started sniffing around–and Tommy eventually had to admit he’d been had. Then, even more damaging pictures came out and Weiner finally announced his resignation.

    From that point on almost all that has happened has revolved around the mysterious starchild and its relationship with Gennette and others. It appears to be about backpedaling and finessing to cover or explain away its role in the whole Betty mom fiasco with Tommy, including the falsified documents and false personas. The death threats add drama when people start digging too deep.

    Just think. Had “Betty’s mom” not voluntarily come forward with her crazy “IT’s all lies–LIES I tell you!”story, Tommy would probably not have written his infamous story. Or, if he had done basic journalistic research which might have taken a few more days, his Betty mom story might have still been in his computer, and would not already have been out there to cause trouble when Weiner confessed.

    Would very many of us, besides Lee and Goatsred, still be talking about multiple socks and hacks and fake dogs and sinister theories and twitter meltdowns and ancient professors had “Betty’s mom” just kept her damn mouth shut? I kind of doubt it. Good job there, Mrs. Reid whoever you are.

    Happy fireworks and picnics and freedom, everybody.

    elissa (27a5d6)

  521. Daleyrocks

    If you look at #515, I’m making it clear I’m referring to info dumps

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  522. daleyrocks, thanks for your patience. I’m going to let loose with my thoughts, now.

    In direct response to your #524 – If (4) happened, it happened only after Weinergate broke.

    But more broadly, I wanted to hear you actually lay the theory out and think about the motives, both so that I was clear on what you believed the plan was and so that we could discuss some of the steps directly.

    I find the theory to be far-fetched. I think that the theory’s Breitbart-sting tail is wagging the evidence’s Weiner-obsession dog. A few points:

    (A) If the bait is to be ostensible inappropriate DM’s between Weiner and a young woman, you need to set things up to protect Weiner. If Weiner falls into this and he believes the girl to be in HS, then, even if Breitbart is stung, it can still look bad for him – all the more so since his other follows will be examined closely. To protect Weiner, you need at least to chose a more innocuous persona. starchild111 did not.

    (B) Because some of Weiner’s behavior is already questionable – following GL – a sting on Breitbart will shine a spotlight on it. There’s too much uncomfortable truth in the matter to make this a politically wise sting operation.

    (C) starchild111’s interest in the women Weiner followed seems well beyond the purpose of the proposed plot. She wanted details of what they were talking about – real, not fake, dirt. But for the sting, the only thing starchild111 would have needed to be interested in is how to be followed by Weiner.

    (D) Just generally, the starchild111 pattern looks like the pattern of someone obsessed with Weiner. It does not look to me as if Weiner was merely a means to end for starchild111 – it looks to me like Weiner was the main event. To make Breitbart the focus of all of this is, it seems to me, to take the evidence of starchild111’s purpose in a direction it does not point.

    Take that for what it’s worth.

    Nathan Wagner (bc92ce)

  523. “If you look at #515, I’m making it clear I’m referring to info dumps”

    az5thdstrct – I was not trying to be critical. Sorry if you interpreted tone that way.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  524. “In direct response to your #524 – If (4) happened, it happened only after Weinergate broke.”

    Nathan – Thanks for the replies. #4 did happen and is documented. I need to refresh myself on the timeline.

    We will have to disagree on the rest.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  525. I have a new post up about not making assumptions.

    I’m seeing a lot of careless assumptions lately. And a lot of “I don’t need to see the evidence because I know everything” sort of attitudes.

    I happen to be trained in sticking to the evidence. So if you see anyone making a claim about what I supposedly think, I ask you to consider: does Patterico ACTUALLY think that? Or is someone simply CLAIMING that he thinks that?

    I have been quite clear about what I think. There have been sock puppets mimicking me and people trying to put words in my mouth. Don’t believe them. Be skeptical.

    For example, I hear that Neal Rauhauser is shopping around claims about me based upon the word of Brett Kimberlin, a convicted bomber who blew off a man’s leg who later committed suicide.

    Well, you might be inclined to disbelieve Neal, but you might be inclined to believe someone else who says: “Oh, I privately heard Patterico say x, y, or z.” Because maybe you think that person is trusted by me.

    Well, you don’t know who I trust. So please. Don’t make assumptions.

    Hi, Neal!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  526. I have one thing to add.

    Even hackers are “real” people.

    They may impersonate people on the Internet. They may lead a shadowy existence. They may mimic others; provide fake identification; tell lies; spoof phone numbers . . . all sorts of things.

    But they are real people. They are not Martians. If they commit crimes, and you catch them, there will be a flesh and blood person behind bars.

    I would caution anyone interested in this story (and public about their interest) to exercise caution. Assume there may be hackers who want to target you. This is not paranoia. It is basic safety.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  527. Okay helping a bit along the way to 1,000.

    Mike Myers (0e06a9)

  528. An update to my previous post:

    UPDATE: Lee Stranahan may be completely right about his theory that a woman with the initials “JG” is behind everything that has happened. He really may. But I have been reading his posts, and listening to his radio show with the yowling cat, and I know he has been saying and implying things about me that are simply not accurate. I have tried to remain silent about this, but I am listening to his radio show from last night and hearing how he misrepresents my position on all of this, and I can remain silent no longer.

    I disabled his account here at patterico.com on Thursday night, after I read this post of his, in which he ridiculously accused me of providing JohnReid9 with an uncritical platform to spout lies:

    Patterico has uncritically posted information from (drum roll) John Reid . . .

    . . .

    Publishing this sort of lie – totally unchallenged — from a person confirmed to be a fake seems very questionable on Patterico’s part. This is especially true about someone who has been so critical of Tommy.

    The implication that I have been somehow supportive of JohnReid9 is totally false. I have been publicly agnostic on JohnReid9 for my own reasons. For Lee to insinuate that I am a dupe, in the manner of a Tommy Christopher, was absurd and false. I was shocked and appalled to see such an accusation from someone with access to post on my blog. So I disabled his account.

    I decided to remain silent about it, until I fully listened to his latest radio show, where he discussed private communications with me, and continued to portray my positions in a misleading fashion.

    I’m not going to say more, as I have a feeling that I would regret anything else I said.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  529. It’s bad enough to have a Neal Rauhauser go around acting like I am “falling for” something that I EXPLICITLY DISCLAIMED any vouching for. To have it said by someone who was a guest blogger here — it just didn’t work.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  530. I’m still listening to this show. This, compared with some other things that happened tonight . . .

    Yeah, I’m really tempted to say something I regret. So I won’t.

    Some people think they’re really, really smart, and don’t realize how they have been played. We’ll leave it at that. There will be documentary proof at the appropriate time.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  531. Lee clearly doesn’t understand the concept of giving someone enough rope to let him to hang himself with.

    Andy (6ba927)

  532. I’ve been following this site everyday since the wiener scandal but this is my 1st time to comment. I have listened to Lee’s show and found it interesting but I also feel he is “locked into” his own theory. Things seem to be changing everyday and I am impatiently waiting to see what comes about with the police reports. Let’s get this thread to 1,000.

    Happy Trails (f63b95)

  533. lamchop@451-

    And when the decetive goes out to interview the person making the complaint, he also asks for identification to ensure he is talking to the person who made the complaint.

    I can’t speak for larger agencies, but in small towns an ID is requested just to make taking the report easier to initially fill in all of the little boxes (i.e. it is easier to copy info from the ID rather than keep asking, “How do you spell that?” and, “What is your…?”). Reports can and have been taken when ID is unavailable for some reason or another (otherwise you’d never be able to report your wallet stolen).

    In the 35 yrs I worked for a small town agency, we never initially demanded an ID before a report was initiated. Identities were confirmed through law enforcement computer systems if nothing else was available.

    roy in nipomo (bca582)

  534. Elissa–I am a little slow, and all due respect, I cannot totally grasp the context of this sentence. Can you just explain my part in it??

    “Would very many of us, besides Lee and Goatsred, still be talking about multiple socks and hacks and fake dogs and sinister theories and twitter meltdowns and ancient professors had “Betty’s mom” just kept her damn mouth shut? I kind of doubt it. Good job there, Mrs. Reid whoever you are?”

    goatsred (b20383)

  535. Stranahan’s petulance has become obvious in the past few days.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  536. (540)Because I am far from “sockpuppeting” anyone.
    I know the very real people that I am dealing with. Believe me.

    goatsred (b20383)

  537. Oh boy, is this great! -Flounder

    Tutu (54ce64)

  538. Lee is somewhat of a loose cannon.

    As many have noted, he is disorganized and has difficulty identifying for the reader and listener the difference between established facts and his speculations.

    I am still very interested in the story. I am just waiting for Pat, Lee, and others provide credible evidence concerning the identities of Jennifer, Nikki Reid, JohnReid9, Marinela Alicea, @PatriotUSA76, Dan Wolfe, Alicia Pain, et al.

    slp (f9a160)

  539. I’m beginning to think that this entire opera is being orchestrated by the guys who produce and direct Damages. Quirky characters, great scripts, and some of the best acting I’ve ever seen on television.

    Old Coot (b14047)

  540. Regarding rift between Pat & Lee:
    Sad news. I think Lee accused Pat of saying things Pat didn’t say. Lee has way of turning his own theories into hard facts in his own mind. There is real value in having a neutral platform where the John Reid documents can be exposed and roundly investigated, and criticized, as each one has been, and, as many have said, including Pat, that Reid can be given enough rope. What could be more valuable than the open interviewing thread mode for John Reid, including the chorus of criticism in the comments? Pat deserves credit for obtaining that. I have been posting for a long time that it’s valuable to have both Lee’s impassioned take on this and Pat’s methodical take and to have critical and productive interaction between them. Both have done very hard work on this. The record shows that Lee escalated the accusations and emotions, as is his way of doing things. I’ve asked Lee publicly in many comments not to estrange Pat in this way as it could remove that great “two-sides-of-the-same-coin” dynamic that we’ve enjoyed. Pat being so busy with his job and not posting as much has left a vacuum in which Lee has kept thinking that Pat is against him, like when the wife goes to Vegas with the girls and doesn’t return phone calls, the imagination wanders. Pat’s not against Lee and he’s not against finding the real truth, backed by evidence.

    Let’s hope this is temporary and they can work it out.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  541. Typical Lee post: I’m right, I know stuff that you don’t, which I’m not going to tell you about, and you’re wrong.

    Sorta pointless after a while.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  542. 547 Tutu

    You noticed that ?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  543. koam @wittier – I think I can also point to at least three socks in these threads pushing Lee’s POV.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  544. There’s no evidence that the very smart Patterico entertains Ron’s thoughts for one second. That would be totally out of character for Pat.

    I don’t buy the Patterico theory at the top of this thread that the JG who called Lee was a hoaxer. Lee would have a better sense for that and Lee’s not saying she was a hoaxer. It seems to me like it’s the real JG MA who called Lee and talked to Preston several times.

    I also don’t buy Lee’s theory that the JG MA who called him is the sock puppet mistress, because I don’t think it’s proven with facts. (It might someday be, but has not been at all yet.) I question the components of that call that Lee has labeled as lies because he doesn’t distinguish between factual lies (proven wrong by evidence, not opinion) and “it doesn’t fit my theory” “lies” (which aren’t lies by my standard).

    I think we still need to consider an innocent JG scenario and then try to poke holes in that based on facts.

    So if an innocent and truly scared JG called Lee, fearing for her life, do you think she hung up feeling better about the situation, or a whole lot worse? And after talking to Preston, does an innocent JG, who is scared of Lee, feel safer regarding Lee or Lee’s followers? Lee with the blogs and radio show saying JG is guilty every day because he’s known it all along and the story has leaked that JG may be “troubled”? Do you think Preston made an innocent JG feel better about Lee? We know now how the Lee-Preston relationship has turned out.

    And then what does the scared JG do? She goes to the cops.

    So we need to take that JG story and see what just cannot be true (based on hard facts) about it and whether those issues make us not believe her at all. Then, in that case, is she a fake or is she behind some or all of the alleged socks.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  545. Yeah, koam, if it’s 2 sides of the same coin, Pat’s is worth 23¢ and Lee’s side is worth 2¢. For what it’s worth.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  546. Well, there is evidence Patterico is buying into Rons theory .. Read the theory here and read Patterco’s entusism for it .

    Then, go talk to Ron about it.

    Same theory. QED

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  547. It is very hard for me to keep track of the facts as opposed to the speculations and those offering the false trails and rabbit holes.

    I would ask that all the sock puppets who have posted in this thread identify yourselves and state your real name.

    slp (f9a160)

  548. See, when you explicitly state that you’re not presenting a theory, just making some true statements or asking pointed questions to let others draw conclusions or discuss… that means you are buying into and espousing a particular theory. Logic is not what some people believe it to be.

    Of course, disagree with Lee or ask for proof and you’re told you don’t know what it’s like to work a big blog story. I gave Lee the benefit of the doubt in my earlier comments on another thread. I assumed he was making valid connections based on knowledge I didn’t have and just couldn’t/didn’t want to share at the moment. My bad. Won’t happen again.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  549. This very post has Patterico espousing a theory.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  550. 552. Lee

    I haven’t called Ron. Don’t need to open that can. You’re braver than I am.

    But I would think that Ron’s current ranting suggest that he thinks there’s a real JG who’s scared. I think his assertions about you are vastly overstated and largely unfounded. In Ron vs. Lee, I’m with Lee, if that makes you feel any better. But if there’s a real JG who’s scared and innocent, I can see why she’d find you scary. If she’s fake, then to hell with her.

    But are you, Lee, saying that Ron is saying that the real JG never called you on 6/19, Lee? That she never talked to Preston?

    Because that’s point #1 of the trial balloon that Pat has at the top of this (that Pat’s not saying is true but is asking us to poke holes in)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  551. This is getting very tiresome.

    Lee,

    Give us the facts and the evidence to back up those facts.

    slp (f9a160)

  552. Ask Ron. read his tweets

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  553. I have a theory: smoke from Alder wood, when applied to pork, makes for some seriously good BBQ. I am currently testing this theory with 6 slabs of ribs, and 3 pork butts. If this doesn’t sound good to you, remember, I know some things about BBQ that I can’t tell you right now. Later in the day, though, you will discover that I am right, and you are wrong. Gotta crack open a beer…suggest you all do the same.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  554. Espousing
    1. to make one’s own; adopt or embrace, as a cause.
    Synonyms
    1. support, champion, advocate.

    Reading comprehension is your friend. Embrace it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  555. UPDATE x2: I’m feeling better about the theory with each passing second.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  556. Goatsred@540–

    I don’t quite know how to respond to your question. I can tell you feel dissed and for that I feel very bad as that was certainly not my intent. As I reread the quote I don’t quite see why you thought I dissed you or where you thought I accused you of sockpuppeting. But if you read it that way then perhaps others did too. That suggests my late night writing was unclear and for that I heartily apologize–and I welcome the chance to try to clear it up.

    My intended point in the whole overly-long comment I posted was to say what a clusterfark the Betty mom/Tommy chapter was, and how it had (probably unintentionally on the part of the perpetrators) called big attention to slimy behind-the scenes aspects of the case which continue to intrigue a lot of people who might otherwise have just stopped caring once Weiner confessed and resigned. By mentioning your name I meant to show that as someone who had skin in the game because of the way you had been used, you would likely have been one of the very few people still front and center asking questions and seeking answers after most others of us had fallen away and moved on to other things.

    elissa (fe7129)

  557. 560 Stashiu3 – Yesss!

    Tutu (54ce64)

  558. “someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible” – Pat’s title

    most of the comments think this trial balloon doesn’t fly.

    the facts of the call and the facts before and after the call are not consistent with the 6/19 JG caller to Lee being a hoax.

    What’s more likely is that the calls JG reportedly received are a hoax, if she did receive calls, intended to falsely implicate and confuse.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  559. “feeling better” falls far short of espousing or embracing.

    Take a step back, a deep breath, and collect yourself. Jumping is good exercise, jumping to conclusions… not so much. Credibility is a difficult thing to recover when you ignore the first rule of holes.

    On a tangent (to revisit your comments on that other thread I mentioned), did you ever get more information about who DRJ is to this site? If so, feel free to look at her comments again and see if you might reconsider your responses. Or you can continue to blindly stumble from conjecture to conjecture, claim others just don’t get it or would agree if they had your special information, and essentially complete your beclowning. Your choice.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  560. “with each passing second.”

    If you want to pretend that’s not advocating a theory, go ahead.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  561. Comment by elissa — 7/3/2011 @ 7:23 am

    I did not fell dissed in any way whatsoever…I did not understand the context. After reading all of these comments, sometimes my mind just freezes.It then goes into anti-Weinergate mode. Thanks for the explanation and please understand that this group here has never inferred or outright stated one negative thing about me.
    It’s hard for me to follow all thats going on here.

    goatsred (b20383)

  562. Is feeling comfortable with a theory the same as advocating a theory? I don’t think so.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  563. It’s not pretending, it is called reading what is written. You’re still not exercising, despite all the jumping.

    Friendly advice of the day: Give up trying to spar with me and consider what people are saying instead. Hard-headed and hysterical is a bad combination. Besides that, you’ll lose. Trust me, I have special information.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  564. Who are you?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  565. And if you have special information, present it or STHU.

    I believe you have special information like I believe John Reid doing a video chat.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  566. Just shows you haven’t gone to the archives as I suggested. Pity.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  567. Blah blah. Pity.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  568. 572 Lee – Ditto

    Tutu (54ce64)

  569. Stashiu3 and Tutu, various numbers,all have good words to say here today.

    Pat’s not a liar. Disagreeing with someone or misunderstanding someone doesn’t make someone a liar. It’s time to walk it back and say that there are disagreements on 1) theories, 2) process, 3) some reported facts, but that doesn’t make either of you or most of the commenters here liars. You’re both very valuable and both are more valuable with each other in the discussion, challenging each other, constructively, entertainingly. Walk it back. Sleep on it. Come back another day and reconcile.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  570. Ask a question, Tutu. Waiting…

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  571. Where did I say he’s a liar?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  572. Tutu, he was saying the theory had yet to be exposed as wrong. which was his way of goading people to work harder on seriously debunking it. At the time he posted it, a lot of comments were just saying ‘prove it right! Of course it’s wrong!’ instead of seriously looking at it.

    When you’re initially told you’re obviously completely wrong, and over time no one is able to actually show that, of course that’s going to lead to a ‘I’m feeling better’ type statement.

    However, it’s dishonest to claim Patterico isn’t also saying things like

    Lee Stranahan may be completely right about his theory that a woman with the initials “JG” is behind everything that has happened. He really may.

    He’s got an open mind. It’s that simple. That’s all there is to it, and if you take some of his statements of open mindedness and omit others, I can make Patterico look like he’s 100% on board with one side or I can make him look 100% on board with the other side.

    Selective reporting is the very heart of how media mistakes happen. Everyone reporting Patterico’s statements about how he’s not disclaiming one direction should be willing to report the converse statements. If they aren’t, it’s going to get on everyone’s nerves eventually.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  573. btw, my comment isn’t critical of Tutu. Quite the opposite.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  574. Stashiu,
    Finally have some time today to catch up on the post-resignation Weiner stuff here (which am looking forward to being less confused about) but could you just point me to the thread you’re referring to where DRJ and Lee had the conversation you mention above. Thanks much–

    no one you know (136b86)

  575. I’m “feeling better” about the Yanks winning the World Series. I’m also not betting my life on it.

    It doesn’t make anyone who says “Phillies” or “Sox” a liar, no matter the outcome in October.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  576. I spoke to Patterico a few hours ago and he was arguing adamantly for this theory, with no evidence whatsoever. It’s what he believes.

    Does he say that the obvious truth MIGHT be right? Sure.

    And that’s the problem. He believes a wacky theory. He believes it MORE than a simple, provable theory. And when challenged, he bans people.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  577. Geez Lee, I liked it better when it was just Gennette getting pissed at me. I really started out liking all your reporting on this, and still am OK with you, but my question would be simply…when will you give us all the information that you have, so that we can support, or refute your claims?

    Tutu (54ce64)

  578. Quick question, Lee. Have you released all the information regarding weinergate? If not, why?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  579. Ahh… the magic words “STHU”. I don’t think so bub.

    I don’t have anything on Weinergate, if that’s what you’re assuming I meant. On this site however, different story. Special information is sort of a hobby. The only one who can tell me to shut up here and make it stick is Patterico.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  580. Lee, did you give Pat evidence that the JG who called you was also the real JG who went to police?

    If so, what evidence? Did you pick the most persuasive concrete evidence?

    (And I’m on your side on this question)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  581. No, I just told you. See — I’ll do it. You’re blowing hot air. STHU. (That means ‘heck’ btw.)

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  582. Comment by no one you know — 7/3/2011 @ 7:49 am

    Here is it noyk… glad to help.

    Lee, who got banned for challenging Patterico? Doubt it. Strongly.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  583. 581 no one you know

    Is this it?

    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/3/2011 @ 7:54 am

    It sure does look like it, and thanks very much. (PS I really don’t think “Paul” on that thread is the same Paul who used to post here a few yrs ago. Wow.)

    no one you know (136b86)

  584. And when challenged, he bans people.

    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 7:52 am

    I’ll eat Patterico’s hat if this is true.

    Don’t pretend Patterico is viewpoint discriminatory.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  585. Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/3/2011 @ 8:01 am

    Whoops, we cross posted. Thanks to you too. *goes to read a buncha posts with Diet Coke in hand*

    no one you know (136b86)

  586. I chose to ignore Paul that day. Others didn’t. I say, “don’t feed ’em.”

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  587. No, I just told you. See — I’ll do it. You’re blowing hot air. STHU. (That means ‘heck’ btw.)
    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 7:57 am

    See? That reading-comprehension problem will get you every time. The key words were “and make it stick“. Try that on for size.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  588. When responding to questions or posts, it helps to use the post number and commenter’s name in the first line. That way the readers know which question is being answered or which comment is being replied to or commented on. (as we approach #600)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  589. Stashiu3 – 1
    Lee – 0

    (I’ll keep a running score. We’ll start there or you’d already be down too far to ever make it back.)

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  590. Of course, you already are and just don’t know it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  591. @ 577 asked my question, Lee…waiting…

    Tutu (54ce64)

  592. (PS I really don’t think “Paul” on that thread is the same Paul who used to post here a few yrs ago. Wow.)
    Comment by no one you know — 7/3/2011 @ 8:02 am

    It’s not. Good call.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  593. Tutu,

    What information do you think I’m holding back?

    Answer is — nothing that Patterico isn’t holding back. In fact, I’m holding back a LOT less than Patterico is.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  594. Hmmm… I can still comment. Guess I’ll keep that point. Heh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  595. Answer is — nothing that Patterico isn’t holding back. In fact, I’m holding back a LOT less than Patterico is.
    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 8:17 am

    Yet Patterico is not making assertions without evidence like you do. Want to bet there’s a connection there?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  596. Now, who got banned for challenging Patterico? Or were you just blowing hot air there?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  597. I am still waiting for someone to back up the claim Patterico banned people merely for challenging him, Charles Johnson style.

    Do we get to just assert whatever the F we want and then refuse to back it up with evidence?

    Also, why would someone boast they are holding back a ‘lot’ of information? Seems like something to be ashamed of.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  598. Cross posted with Stashiu. But yeah, that’s a serious accusation against a blogger.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  599. Your claims are much more assertive, Lee. In any case, if anyone is holding back info, don’t expect that I shall believe your claims, because you say I should. And, seriously, you are holding back a lot less…does not make you a lot better.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  600. No worries Dustin. Lee succeeded in (slightly) annoying me and destroyed most of his credibility with me in the process. If he wants to dance, set the music.

    “I’m your Huckleberry”

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  601. He’s no daisy, Stashiu3.

    Good to see your posts, even if the reasons are due to irritation.

    Simon Jester (e07fe9)

  602. Patterico is the one holding back a lot of info — not me.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  603. Comment by Simon Jester — 7/3/2011 @ 8:34 am

    I still read every comment on every thread and occasionally work behind the scenes when things are hectic. Got a lot of other things going on IRL right now though, so following through with conversations is usually spurred by passion. Unfortunately, annoyance is a passion. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  604. the facts of the call and the facts before and after the call are not consistent with the 6/19 JG caller to Lee being a hoax.

    Sorry, I’m totally missing this one. What’s inconsistent in facts with the call being a hoax ? The fact that the caller got some of the information wrong (such as claiming a CA address seems supportive of it being a hoax). So does blocking the number.

    JP – who talked to the same person- seemed to think the caller was, if not a hoax exactly, at least of questionable veracity. (Yeah, she thinks that about everyone, but still).

    The only information I’ve seen that supports the JG caller being the same as police-report-JG (who we assume is real) is the alleged mention of the professor in both cases. But I don’t think that indicates they are the same person at all. The only reason she would mention the professor to the police is if he was part of the story connecting LS and her. (I.e. someone claiming to be her called LS who called her professor).

    Johnathan Creek (1bb7dc)

  605. In fact, I’m holding back a LOT less than Patterico is.

    Comment by Lee Stranahan

    Yeah, I stand corrected, Lee. I apologize.

    /see how easy that was for me?

    And I think Patterico should explain what he is holding back, or at least tell us if it’s ‘a lot’ as you say and some generalized explanation for why it’s being held.

    Same for you. Whatever you’re holding back should be revealed at some point. Whatever you know or don’t know should come out.

    If we throw it all out there my guess is we’ll be forced to admit we don’t know the answers for sure right now. Maybe we never will.

    Anyway, I’m not comfortable with everyone but Patterico vaguely painting a picture of what P knows. For all I know, it’s just enough to punch a whole in our preconceptions.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  606. 99 bottles of weinergate on the wall, 99 bottles of weinergate. You take one down, pass it around, 100 bottles of weinergate on the wall.

    oneisnotprime (c491ed)

  607. I meant “HOLE” ARGH

    Dustin (b7410e)

  608. Patterico is the one holding back a lot of info — not me.
    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 8:34 am

    He’s also not making assertions based on that info. Take a lesson young man. Learn how it’s done from someone smarter and wiser.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  609. Is the goal to garner 1,000 comments, or do the comments have to be pertinent to the subject?

    Alan Kellogg (43c76b)

  610. “And when challenged, he bans people.”

    This seems particularly strange as it is made in the comments of the site that is said to have banned him? Perhaps I have a different meaning for the word.

    Lee,
    I don’t really care about these theories but when you question Patterico’s integrity you lose all benefit of a doubt with me. He has earned an enviable reputation on that score over years of exposure on this site. Stashiu3 and DRJ are two of the most respected contributors on this site and again have earned that respect over years both here and on other sites, so you just kind of double down on fail with that.

    You don’t know me so this means nothing to you but I have known Stashiu3 for years online and in real life and while we don’t always agree, his honor and honesty are well established and he has earned and deserves the high esteem in which he is held. Good luck telling him to shut up.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  611. Dustin,

    Have you learned nothing from Breitbart my friend? Hold your cards close to your chest and never interrupt someone making a mistake. Be patient or you’ll tip the mark.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  612. Is the goal to garner 1,000 comments, or do the comments have to be pertinent to the subject?
    Comment by Alan Kellogg — 7/3/2011 @ 8:42 am

    Yes. 😉

    Mac!!

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  613. Stashiu3, you are one of the good guys, as I know from experience.

    Lee, you should keep that in mind. Stashiu3 is honest, and has (for the several years I have followed his posts here) always stood up for what is right.

    He’s like Patterico that way.

    Simon Jester (e07fe9)

  614. What Machinist wrote.

    Simon Jester (e07fe9)

  615. Have you learned nothing from Breitbart my friend? Hold your cards close to your chest and never interrupt someone making a mistake. Be patient or you’ll tip the mark.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/3/2011 @ 8:42 am

    I wish I had the ability to play things out like that. If P is playing that kind of card game, I guess he’ll have to withstand my impatience until things reveal themselves.

    But it’s been ongoing for a while. And while I realize most didn’t take it seriously, I felt a lot of people were suspicious of me for really quite unfair reasons, so I have an additional interest in the truth being completely exposed at some point.

    At any rate, thanks for the hint as to what’s going on. And it’s great to see you comment once in a while. Hopefully DRJ will return when the dust settles too.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  616. Good to see you my friend.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  617. I’m out.

    Not my site and I’m outnumbered.

    I’ll answer questions on Twitter or my site or the radio show or wherever. I’ve answered more questions than anyone on what they believe and I’ve answered them honestly.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  618. goatsred @566 – Thanks for the link. Clarice and MayBee are both great. The movie of that Kipling story, with Sean Connery and Michael Caine, was great, IMHO.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  619. He’s like Patterico that way.
    Comment by Simon Jester — 7/3/2011 @ 8:44 am

    Nobody puts Baby in a corner!

    (I’m in old-movie mode I guess.)

    By the way, more than one person has said that Patterico and I sound almost exactly alike too. First time I talked to him on the phone was weird. Then I heard him on an online radio show and it was even worse. He sounds better though somehow.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  620. I’m out.

    Not my site and I’m outnumbered.

    I’ll answer questions on Twitter or my site or the radio show or wherever. I’ve answered more questions than anyone on what they believe and I’ve answered them honestly.

    Comment by Lee Stranahan

    It’s like rain on your wedding day.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  621. Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 8:48 am

    Notice no mention of who got banned. Shall I take a point? I shall!

    Stashiu3 – 2
    Lee – 0

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  622. Stashiu3 and Machinist – Good to see you.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  623. Answer is — nothing that Patterico isn’t holding back. In fact, I’m holding back a LOT less than Patterico is.
    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/3/2011 @ 8:17 am

    Alright, now that you’ve admitted to holding back information, can you tell us why?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  624. “…I’m outnumbered.”

    What’s that saying about sitting down when everyone tells you you’re drunk?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  625. I haven’t followed this whole thing as closely as many others on here have, but I was always suspect of Lee’s suddenly believing the left was wrong about anything, even before the Weiner escapade. Hasn’t he proven the liberals is always right and will never accept another opinion? I didn’t listen to any of the radio shows, but my question about the cat yowling: was it for real or part of the act to make it sound like he was actually at home?

    Sorry, I’m too fearful of liberal wolves suddenly in conservative sheep’s clothes.

    Not much of a comment but hope it helps your goal.

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  626. Mentions of “giving someone enough rope to hang themselves” understandably makes me a bit nervous, but no one can dispute it’s appropriateness in this context. Just sayin’

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  627. Stashiu3, and I’ve missed you too my friend.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  628. Lee,

    Your problems don’t have anything to do with the site you’re on bub. At least you finally admit it’s what you “believe”, not what you “know”. That’s progress. Look back and you’ll see that nearly every challenge you received was based on you making assertions of fact without evidence. Asking you for evidence is not calling you a liar. We’re a “trust, but verify” crowd here.

    I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a long time, even though you were getting snippy about being challenged. I believe you’re honest. Now, I also believe you’re stupid. Don’t let the door…

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  629. Thanks guys… as I said, I’ve been around. I just get caught up in chunks rather than following in real time now. Too tiring otherwise. Good to see y’all too. 🙂

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  630. Heh, he said chunks.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  631. That was a pre-submit edit. Not sure you want to hear the word I first used. Heh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  632. Sparing my tender sensibilities. What a gentleman!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  633. Tried to post something and it wouldn’t “take.”. Hmmm

    Simon Jester (e07fe9)

  634. Seriously though, I hinted and then flat-out told the man he should check himself. No insight whatsoever. Believes what he believes, no matter what. I don’t expect him to have a prosecutor’s mindset, but how many times can you tell a person their logic is faulty before you have to conclude they’re just too stupid to understand? What’s really sad is that the left will never accept him back, and the right will if he can just keep his facts separate from his opinions. So far, I haven’t seen anything to indicate he can do that.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  635. Patterico is very lenient with commenters, so accusing him of banning for an opinion is just crazy.

    Stashiu3: love your smackdowns. You say so much in so few words.

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  636. I think I understand the pressures that Lee is under and so I’m a bit sympathetic.

    But its a shame that he decided to be antagonistic to Patterico.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  637. Comment by PatAZ — 7/3/2011 @ 9:13 am

    Now I’m blushing… no really, redness in the face. Fact, not opinion. Looked in the mirror, took a picture, showed it around to several folks to see if they agreed it looked like a blush, verified the definition of blushing in the dictionary, then compared photos tagged as blushing on google to ensure consistency.

    Well, maybe it is just opinion since I didn’t really do all that. (What were you saying about “so few words”? lol)

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  638. I went to bed confused. I am waking up discombobulated (I like that word). I haven’t yet listened to Lee’s shows, so I don’t know what he said.

    Summary version, please? Or shall I read all the comments?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  639. Wow, I go to the store, and when I get back, Lee has taken his ball and gone home.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  640. Stashiu3, I don’t know you, but I love you, man.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  641. Patterico, is it true that you got the information for your story on “Ethel” from John Reid?

    Secondly, if this is true, shouldn’t you have disclosed this?

    Thirdly, again, if true, doesn’t that mean when you said that you were not being used by John Reid to disseminate information, that you were not being truthful?

    Woodshedder (44e97d)

  642. Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/3/2011 @ 9:22 am

    Just for verification: it’s not blushing till at least one side of your neck turns red. /evidentiary

    PatAZ’s comment reminded me of the smackings you used to give Emperor/love2008. Wonder what happened to him/her that he lost interest (still not convinced Emperor wasn’t female).

    no one you know (136b86)

  643. But its a shame that he decided to be antagonistic to Patterico.
    Comment by SPQR — 7/3/2011 @ 9:19 am

    I think it stopped being a shame when he shared behind-the-scenes information that Patterico was not sharing publicly. Correction: the shame just changed location.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  644. Stashiu3, I was trying to be understanding but that is a major judgment fail.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  645. Lovey was/is female. Along with her socks from Nigeria and elsewhere.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  646. Comment by Dianna — 7/3/2011 @ 9:22 am

    Discombobulated is a fantastic word. Practically an onomatopoeia since even sounds disorganized. 😉

    Have been busy w/ IRL stuff lately so after Weiner resigned I didn’t follow much of any of it. But I’ve liked Lee’s stuff and was surprised today to see that his account has been disabled. So am going to review the post-resig posts, and probably some comment threads too, to see what’s going on w/ the calls and death threats (!) etc. It’ll probably make sense after that but it sure doesn’t now.

    no one you know (136b86)

  647. I know SPQR, but Lee has torpedoed all credibility with me. You’re kinder than I am in this.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  648. “Thirdly, again, if true, doesn’t that mean when you said that you were not being used by John Reid to disseminate information, that you were not being truthful?”

    Woodshedder – Lee took a phone call from lying liar Jenny George in MA. Is he being used by her? Just askin’.

    Who are you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  649. Real-life beckons… be well.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  650. I’m just here to help us get to 1000.

    Go Patterico!

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  651. “Lovey was/is female. Along with her socks from Nigeria and elsewhere.”

    Stashiu3 – That was always my take.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  652. 1st!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  653. Patterico, is it true that you got the information for your story on “Ethel” from John Reid?

    Sounds like a very particular bit of info. And I know what it’s like when someone gets a very very specific bit of info that has been ripped from context, so I’m very suspicious how you heard this.

    Did Patterico verify the Ethel bit? I mean… you know, how Fox News and the police confirmed some contact between them, and there was online records of it? If John Reid fed Patterico a host of information, and Patterico reported the aspects he was able to verify as verified, and the aspects he couldn’t verify as unverified, what’s the problem, anyway?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  654. #653

    It’ll probably make sense after that but it sure doesn’t now.

    Comment by no one you know — 7/3/2011 @ 9:31 am

    So far, this post-Weiner story has made very little sense.

    I was fond of one theory – that the manipulator of sock puppets had been involved in the threats, and a by-stander (JG in MA) had gotten involved by accident – but since the police seem (according to last night’s information?) to have dropped the investigation, I may be wrong.

    I ran across comments between Daleyrocks and someone else (sorry for not remembering!) somewhere back in the 500’s in which Daley laid out a theory I thought was pretty convincing, but the other party pointed out its main problem – “the ‘Breitbart sting’ tail wagging the ‘Weiner obsession’ dog.” (That really is a quote).

    The thing everyone would like to know is Who is Who?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  655. holy hellacious
    posts batman colonel leave for
    day all hell break loose

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  656. Dianna – I don’t view it as a problem with the theory. Think it through again ignoring the post dic pic distractions which derailed it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  657. who are you, who who, who who, I really want to know!

    Tutu (54ce64)

  658. Dianna – It’s par for the course with progressives inserting plants at tea party rallies, which I have witnessed first hand, fake videos from Think Progress, and other vile disinformation campaigns.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  659. I am Spartacus!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  660. #663 – Daleyrocks

    I like your theory. It’s been my working assumption from the start.

    However, the behaviors displayed by the ‘starchild111’ and ‘Nikki Reid’ accounts in the six weeks to two months before the infamous tweeted dicpic don’t quite fit.

    And who – unless we’re going to posit some disturbed person with absolutely no connection to any of our real people, sock puppets, investigators or anyone at all – is issuing threats?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  661. #664 – Tutu – LOL! Right! Rock on!

    #665 – Daleyrocks – I know. Which is why I said that your theory matches my working assumptions.

    Maybe it’s all gotten bogged down in the undergrowth of misdirection and sock puppetry.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  662. Here is yet another comment on the way to 1000. It is sad when we can’t get along and agree to disagree without being disagreeable. I did not read all the comments, but sometimes it feels like we’re going down a rabbit hole after the rabbit has been eaten by a stoat.

    Jeff Mitchell (481f2a)

  663. @ 506 Nathan Wagner

    My apologies for the late reply. My point is that I don’t believe Weiner was used as a set up for Breitbart, but rather starchild wanted to get close to Weiner. But once everything hit the fan, starchild used that opportunity to protect Weiner and throw Breitbart away. Perhaps starchild was set up as a high school girl because of the success of Ethel. That still makes point 2 and 3 valid, I think. But is anyone sure at this point? I’m not, unfortunately…

    On Patterico and Lee

    I was surprised when I’ve seen the posts from Lee the past few days. They were disrespectfully critical of Patterico and I assumed (my fault on making assumptions) that the two had agreed to disagree. But, Lee crossed the line when speaking for Pat. Pat has been very clear from the beginning that he is neutral on a lot of this until more facts come out which is a position that a lot of commenters here have also taken. I think most of us agree that we have theories, but until the facts come out we don’t know for certainty. As for Pat giving JR his time here, I thought Pat was being fair and allowing JR to give his side (but not endorsing him or discrediting him). We allowed GC to give her case, but vetted her when flaws appeared. JR was also vetted and rightfully so. Pat and the commenters here deserve kudos for still investigating this when others have abandoned it.

    rogerthat (f5aad4)

  664. NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  665. For the love of God and all that is holy, give it a rest.

    Country goin down the tubes- discuss

    Jones (0a69fd)

  666. It’s like rain on your wedding day.

    “It’s the good advice that you just didn’t take”.

    (Ironically, just helping to get to 1,000)..

    piglet (1bb7dc)

  667. Patterico, I don’t think you know the definition of “uncritical”. Hint: it does not mean “supportive”.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  668. (Prefaced before I put this out there – I have only read this thread up to comment 600 or so, so if there is evidence that contradicts this I have not seen it.)

    In response to some comments about the “@Weinergate: The Death Threat Black Hole” post I went back and read that post and its comments in one sitting (for the first time.)
    Some brief thoughts on that thread and its dynamic.

    Did any one else find interesting the fact that Paul and one other major contibutor to the conversation never posted at the same time period?

    That this other contributor made an unnecassary and odd reference when rejoining the conversation after Paul had been extremely active?

    That Paul unflinchingly supported this contributors every comment and theory?

    That this contributor referenced Paul several times but never directed a comment to him?

    That Paul effusivly praised the contibutor and his theories but never addressed a comment to him directly?

    That Paul shared several times this contributors typing gaffes: leaving out words, leaving extranous words in after editing statements, etc.?

    That Paul and this contibutor seem to have shared (sometimes irrationally) feelings and opinions toward and about other commentors?

    That Paul attacked commentors who questioned this contributor as though he himself had been attacked, and this contributor attacked those who questioned Paul (even going after a blog stalwart (who admittadly had not been around lately))when that person questioned Paul?

    I am now more than a half hour late leaving for work so I will have to let that be that.

    I bring up these questions with no feeling of vindication as I have supported this contributor and his unique work in the past.

    (Sorry for typos- I have less than no time to go back and proofread.)

    Have Blue (dbbcd4)

  669. The fact is, some people just don’t get it and just don’t have it. It = integrity.

    Anitabusch (a025dd)

  670. It’s been always clear to me that Patrick is using a Socratic method in his posts. He’s trying to draw the participants out and assemble the stories so he can compare them. When he asks why a certain scenario can’t be true, he’s acting in that fashion. He wants to hear all the arguments.

    Patrick did this a while back with global warming climate change climate instability, although I missed what he thought of those arguments.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  671. I think that both Lee and Patterico have made good points as this story unfolds.

    It was my understanding that John Reid proivde the context on the tumbler post. However there was a screen cap of “Ethel’s” tumbler page posted by goatsred on yfrog quite some time ago.

    Patterico also did not just post the informtion / lead from JR but was able to verify the information from at least one additional source or sources.

    Lee has also focused on the motives of the various sockpuppets and players in this very odd story of how Twitter has become relevant!

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  672. Have blue – Oh, There are commenter socks all over the place. I suppose it is part of the entertainment value of this to spot them, a kind of Where’s Waldo, although more conspicuous than Waldo.

    SarahW (af7312)

  673. SarahW – Commentor socks are one thing (especially if they are inended only to be funny or insulting), this is a whole ‘nother animal entirely!

    Have Blue (dbbcd4)

  674. SarahW, Shari Lewis would be so proud of this thread.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  675. UPDATE x2: My decision has been vindicated by Lee’s latest post at his site, in which he displays in spades his recent tendency to a) disclose private conversations that he should know good and damned well I would not want him to discuss, and b) get what I said in those discussions wrong.

    Again: Lee seems to be unable to distinguish between a theory and a fact. He is also apparently unable to distinguish between someone advancing a theory and claiming a fact as true. This leads him to put words in my mouth that I didn’t say, or to misunderstand what I have said. Asking someone to consider evidence, and to consider how that evidence might support a possible theory, is not the same as declaring that possible theory is true.

    Lee is again portraying me as gullibly accepting the views of people whose views (I assure you) I am not gullibly accepting. Neither am I publicly denouncing those people. I am taking in information. Lee used to understand that.

    Incidentally, I have not “banned” him but simply disabled his account to “no role on this blog.” He still has the ability to comment, although if he comes on here and misrepresents the nature of our private communications, or even discusses them, that may change. There is simply too much at stake to dick around.

    I do not want to be in a fight with Lee, but I strongly encourage him to stop spilling the private details of every conversation he has with people onto the Internet. There is a reason I feel I cannot talk to him any more, and why I consider it a huge mistake that I even tried last night.

    You may comment on this post here.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  676. Tutu – I thought ShariLewis was having a Temper Tantrum?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  677. Patterico: I feel that there is a subtext here that most of us don’t “get” (I know: duh!). I can’t wait for the real story to emerge from all of this. As for Mr. Stranahan, the situation reminds of the story I tried to post this morning…which the site wouldn’t “take.” It was in reference to Stashiu3’s attempts to get Mr. Stranahan to not act reactively.

    My father spent many years working in the oilfields of Southern California among Texans, who had a wide variety of pungent and evocative aphorisms. My father picked them up, and often used them. For a good taste, check out the long out of print “Texas Crude.” Not all of the sayings are family friendly, as you might imagine.

    Anyway, I used to play poker with my father fairly often. I would try to bluff him, and he would grin, move his ever-present toothpick from one side of his mouth to the other, and drawl “Son, you don’t want to let your mouth write a check you ain’t prepared to cash.”

    Patterico understands this. I have this feeling that Mr. Stranahan doesn’t “get” that what he is doing now works against what he would like to achieve.

    But that’s his business, not mine.

    Patterico, hang in there. It sucks to trust someone and find out that you shouldn’t.

    Simon Jester (2df2ee)

  678. The most mysterious thing to me is why Patrick wants this thread to reach 1,000 comments. He normally goes for quality, not mere quantity. Regardless, I’m happy to help out.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  679. I can’t help it. When Lee first started posting on PP, I kept getting somewhat of a queasy feeling. It was strangely similar to reading posts on Huffpo. That, and his inability to string several sentences together in a post without spelling or grammar problems, even though he supposedly was a “professional” journalist.

    I have mostly been a daily lurker here for many years. Lee just did not appear to have the sufficient ethical capacity for this site.

    Leonardo DaFinchi (29a763)

  680. Poor story, killed by the death of a thousand hits.

    Cmate (525edc)

  681. I spoke to Patterico a few hours ago and he was arguing adamantly for this theory, with no evidence whatsoever. It’s what he believes.

    See? There you go.

    How many problems are there with this?

    Arguing for a theory does not mean I believe it. Refusing to listen to a person’s evidence does not mean the person has “no evidence whatsoever.” Talking about private conversations without permission is never great; doing so and getting them wrong is worse; doing so and getting them wrong in an environment when threats have been made and law enforcement is involved is reckless.

    I can’t talk to Lee Stranahan again until all this is sorted out. Until then, as I have said, if he makes a claim that I said something, do not assume his claim to be true.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  682. The most mysterious thing to me is why Patrick wants this thread to reach 1,000 comments. He normally goes for quality, not mere quantity. Regardless, I’m happy to help out.

    The answer is simple: we’re getting closer!

    I’ll take the quality too.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  683. Mrs. P. says I haven’t explained it well enough.

    If it reaches 1000 comments, I can say: hey, look at that! A thread with 1000 comments!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  684. I suspect perhaps the drive to be the first to solve the great mystery and have the feather in his cap might be a strong motivating factor.

    Unfortunately, this can cause writers/reporters to become sloppy, and play fast and loose with necessary rules for maintaining integrity.

    Eventually if the need to have the recognition become so great, small compromises make themselves known. And worse.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  685. And some Scooby Snacks. Lots of Scooby Snacks.

    Scooby-Doo (b29599)

  686. One thing I don’t want to have happen is for this to turn into the “pile on Lee” thread. I still want to like him and I don’t want to burn bridges.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  687. #687 Patterico –

    OK.

    BTW, I get a feeling that Lee is sleep deprived (or, more accurately, looking at times of posts and so on, I’m not sure when he’s sleeping). No one thinks clearly in that condition.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  688. Have I missed a step? I was skimming the comments since I signed off yesterday evening, and I didn’t see anything explaining “Dan Wolfe” (and I will not type “Worf” any more).

    Has that discussion point been set aside as not productive?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  689. Someone smarter than me, please explain why this is not possible:

    Patrick and Lee’s rift is actually a carefully planned maneuver to expose the true conspiracy.

    *Lee, breaking off with Patrick, will be able to infiltrate circles closed off to our esteemed host.

    *Lee will secretly relay information to Patrick, and they will co-author a damning post exposing the machinations.

    *The post will be published here, on Lee’s site, and on Breitbart’s site, because this has been a Breitbart investigation from the beginning.

    STUNNERS: Preston will be revealed as starchild111; Pinch Sulzberger as Betty, and Veronica as Eric Boehlert.

    The aim of the conspiracy was to entice as many conservative politicians as possible into compromising relationships with transvestite, transsexual Transylvanians. They also tried to get the Koch Bros. with a superspy clone of Ayn Rand.

    Instead, a lot of lefty politicians took the bait. (The expose will name names). Soros is mad and won’t write any more checks for these stings by Media Matters.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  690. Since I have family in the Los Angeles attorney world, albeit not in the criminal side of the business, and used to live there, I have been following Patterico’s blog quietly for some time now. Always interesting; often controversial. Thanks for taking the trouble to maintain it!

    No Mutant Enemy (6e23c7)

  691. Patterico @#693,

    I was not attempting to pile on Lee w/#691, but rather was making a larger observation about basic human nature, its weaknesses, and certain temptation. All of us are susceptible, all of us stumble, and all of us have to figure out how to get back up when those times happen. My best wishes for Lee.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  692. I’ve been a regular reader and sporadic commenter for many years. I was pleased to see Lee begin posting here, as I think he brings a useful and interesting perspective.

    I’ve followed the Weiner story since it broke, and have read most of the posts and comments. It’s mind blowing and interesting and puzzling and fun.

    Every time I think I might have something to offer, I realize that someone else has made the point better than I could, and I refrain.

    And in this current contretemps between Lee and Pat, well, neither needs me to jump in and be a white knight. Pat has his reasons and he’s the boss around here. So, there’s really no reason for me to comment on that either.

    Then I think, how does this attitude get us to 1000 comments on this thread? It doesn’t.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  693. I have no quality to add, so I’ll just add quantity. I read daily, but comment (very) rarely.

    Darin H (07889f)

  694. Patterico, is it true that you got the information for your story on “Ethel” from John Reid?

    Secondly, if this is true, shouldn’t you have disclosed this?

    Thirdly, again, if true, doesn’t that mean when you said that you were not being used by John Reid to disseminate information, that you were not being truthful?

    1. I am not going to say where I got anything from anyone. Where did you get the idea that your assertion #1 was true?

    2. The information I published about Ethel was based on publicly available information.

    3. Clearly JohnReid9 has used this site to disseminate information. Have I ever claimed otherwise? He/she/they sent me a bunch of information; I stated about 1000 times that I don’t vouch for it but it’s news whether it’s genuine or coming from a sock puppet; and then I published it. What I deny is that I ever vouched for anything he said.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  695. And just where is GennetteC of late? She being the one out of all of us who most wants to find out who is behind the socks. Curious time to disappear, hmmm?

    Tutu (54ce64)

  696. A cold slice of watermelon has long been a Fourth of July holiday staple. But according to recent studies, the juicy fruit may be better suited for Valentine’s Day. That’s because scientists say watermelon has ingredients that deliver Viagra-like effects to the body’s blood vessels and may even increase libido.*

    science yay

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  697. A cold slice of watermelon has long been a Fourth of July holiday staple. But according to recent studies, the juicy fruit may be better suited for Valentine’s Day. That’s because scientists say watermelon has ingredients that deliver little blue pill-like effects to the body’s blood vessels and may even increase libido.*

    science yay

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  698. I vouch that Patterico never vouched for anything that Lee Stranahan vouches is false. 299 to go!

    starboardhelm (e93080)

  699. “I spoke to Patterico a few hours ago and he was arguing adamantly for this theory, with no evidence whatsoever. It’s what he believes.”

    I am patiently awaiting the evidence on the spurned lover/sexter theory, which I am reliably informed is not at all bizarre, but in the interim, I do like the Boston song “More Than A Feeling.”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  700. Hopefully, GenetteC is off doing something nice and completely non-Weinergate related for her Fourth of July weekend.

    Or better yet, studying.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  701. “Ethel” was publically exposed, re Weiner, on May 30, I believe. She wasn’t ID’d as “Ethel” at that time, that “nom” came later, but ….. A quick look at her facebook, given other info that came to light, …..

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  702. If eating a slice of watermelon causes an erection lasting more than four hours…

    Tutu (54ce64)

  703. Eating too much watermelon has a laxative effect as well. For what that’s worth.

    Simon Jester (0f751a)

  704. And in this current contretemps between Lee and Pat

    I don’t want it to be a “contretemps.” I really don’t.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  705. I am patiently awaiting the evidence on the spurned lover/sexter theory, which I am reliably informed is not at all bizarre, but in the interim, I do like the Boston song “More Than A Feeling.”

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Indeed – it’s got at least some plausibility, but I’m not seeing solid evidence, either.

    Aside from the particularly horrible Steely Dan video, I’ve liked most of the Weinergate music. I don’t believe I’d heard “Christine” since I stopped listening to alternative radio back in the 90’s some time.

    One more comment to the 1,000 total!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  706. Er, “towards” the 1,000 total.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  707. I’m hoping for that double-punk fake fight theory.

    That would be too much fun, a surprise pony, champagne spray and confetti everywhere at the denouement.

    When everything is all over, pretend that’s what happened, I insist. I will be your willing dupe. We can invite Tommy to report on it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  708. Stranahan’s cat favors dance music I see.

    SarahW (af7312)

  709. Mr. Feets – How about eating some Official Fish of Patterico’s Pontifications, the tasty sammin which comes in number of different varieties pleasing to the palate, in honor of our humble nation’s founding tomorrow?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  710. “Sooner or later, whether consciously or subconsciously, a man will always bare his true character.”

    Anitabusch (a025dd)

  711. I spent many a day here a while back. Never once have I even thought that Pat was inclined to be unfair or that he would ban someone for presenting an opposing viewpoint.

    He is among the best and the brightest on the blogosphere.

    This other character I don’t know much about. I find Pat trustworthy and a very solid critical thinker.

    This other character, I don’t know much about.

    Pat has a proven track record on a number of issues, a very stable hand on the rudder of his opinions, does not leap to conclusions and usually carefully crafts his point of view.

    This other character, I don’t know much about.

    Pat has shown he has enormous character. Therefore, I stand behind him completely from a guy with an amount of character…I don’t need to know much more.

    cfbleachers (fb9900)

  712. Is this why we came down from the trees?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  713. Patterico, I don’t think you know the definition of “uncritical”. Hint: it does not mean “supportive”.

    He criticized me for allowing JohnReid9 INTO COMMENTS without calling him a liar.

    That would be like if I allowed a leftist on here to praise Obama, and someone said I had provided an “uncritical” platform for someone to support Obama without challenging them whatsoever.

    I have no duty to challenge commenters, including those who are at the center of a story, and whose words are of great interest to many people. If I wish to invite them on, and let the COMMENTERS be critical, I have every right to do that without having someone imply I am agreeing with that person.

    I never vouched for JohnReid9, but in giving Lee a platform here, I could be seen as vouching for him generally. When I saw him misrepresenting my position, I decided I could no longer give him that position, where someone could claim I was vouching in some sense for what he was saying — including about me.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  714. Stranahan’s cat favors dance music I see.

    Comment by SarahW — 7/3/2011

    Does that mean we’ll get “All that she Wants (is another baby)”? I hope so! It’s got a great beat.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  715. Mr. Feets – You could whip yourself up a nice, cold, healthy, sammin shake, uses the whole fish, no wasted parts. I saw Mr. Dan Ackroyd demonstrate this wif a bass in the 1970s. Looked delicious.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  716. Keep fighting the good fight, Patrick.

    Anitabusch (a025dd)

  717. cfbleachers – It’s nice to see you back here. I was out of town when you returned.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  718. Is this why we came down from the trees?

    Comment by Machinist

    No, that was so we could invent pedicures with parrafin and hot basalt massages.

    Or maybe it was barbeque.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  719. ___________________________________________

    Incidentally, I have not “banned” him but simply disabled his account to “no role on this blog.”

    I hope Lee is brought back here. It’s always interesting seeing POVs from various angles, although I am puzzled why people after a certain age (say, around 30 to 40) remain tied to a philosophy they probably favored in their younger years.

    As for reaching 1,000 posts, whoever designed this forum interface needs to have their eyeballs examined and then poked out. I don’t know of any other message board on the internet whose format lacks horizontal lines that separate one poster’s text from the other. It’s like looking at huge chunks of sentences that lack paragraph breaks.

    In regards to the players in Weinergate, I admit to being curious less about the specifics and details of such people, real or phony, than whether they were or are shills for the Democrats/left and the ex-Congressman. But to help this blog entry reach that 1,000 mark, here’s my contribution.

    Mark (411533)

  720. Patterico,

    Aren’t you supposed to tell us all what to think???

    Letting us hear other points of view is so tiring and dangerous.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  721. Doing my part to get to 1,000 …

    IMO Patterico’s John Reid posts have tried to develop new facts — not push an opinion regarding what’s true or what the facts are — and he has repeatedly said he can’t vouch for John Reid.

    I know Lee understands the difference between theories and facts because he made that distinction in this June 1, 2011, post he wrote early in the Weinergate story:

    A new possibility has come up that explains ALL the strange facts in this story…here’s the theory.

    1) Weiner didn’t send the photo – it was a frame-up
    2) Weiner is hiding something – and the photo is of him (he didn’t deny it today) – and that’s why he doesn’t want a law enforcement investigation OR he knows how sent it.

    Here’s a theory on the the photo.. – the photo could have been sent from a phone. (Not sent from a computer.)

    I am going out on a limb here and I’d like emphasize this is a THEORY – but one that explains a lot.l. If this happened, I believe the most logical person to have done it is @PatriotUSA76 –a person that we actually know almost nothing about, by the way. For example, I don’t know for sure that their name is Dan Wolfe or even their gender. Like Weiner, I think there’s been some strange behavior on their part as well.

    As I recall, Lee pushed this theory hard during the early days of Weinergate, but at least he seemed to realize his theory wasn’t the same as fact. What I don’t understand is why Lee can’t seem to make that distinction when it comes to Patterico’s discussions and posts as the post-Weinergate sockpuppet story has unfolded.

    I’m not saying this to pile on to Lee. Instead, I wish he would try harder to do what he did in the beginning of this story: Distinguish between what he thinks is true and what he can prove is true. Because, frankly, he’s been known to guess wrong.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  722. Dianna,
    Nobody gets near my feets with hot anything.

    I don’t like BBQ (but don’t tell my fellow Texans!!)

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  723. DRJ,
    Would you please email me at bradleyfikes (at) gmail (dot) com?

    I’ve been working on a Texas-related journalism/political post that has gotten lost in this kerfuffle. It’s got some timeliness.

    Thanks,
    Bradley

    (And another comment toward the 1,000 mark!)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  724. When Pattrico’s on the prod, he’s like a one-eyed cat peepin’ in a seafood store.

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  725. ___________________________________________

    That’s because scientists say watermelon has ingredients that deliver little blue pill-like effects to the body’s blood vessels

    Definitely an appropriate tidbit in light of a thread about a guy like Weiner who apparently was obsessed with the size and condition of his package.

    Mark (411533)

  726. Comment by DRJ — 7/3/2011 @ 12:11 pm

    A great treat to see you here, Ma’am.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  727. “Is this why we came down from the trees?”

    Machinist – Have you been spying on me?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  728. Is this why we came down from the trees?

    Comment by Machinist — 7/3/2011 @ 12:06 pm

    What a piece of work is man

    SarahW (af7312)

  729. Another in a sad history of firsts for this blog over this whole pathetic saga

    Violating Pats privacy is a deal breaker regardless of your stance on issues privcy is universally regarded as an issue of trust

    oh well, bye Lee. You should apologize to Pat, hire a lawyer, and

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  730. How did 135 more comments get posted while I was staring at TweetDeck? This is crazy.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  731. Patterico@710–

    I’d much rather have a denouement than a contretemps today. Perhaps some fromage and a glass of Bordeaux would help.

    elissa (fe7129)

  732. sorry hit send before I was finished

    hire a lawyer, and review with them all your legal exposure to reassure yourself you are fine, perhaps then you will be more at ease

    Also report any and all death threats to police immediately

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  733. make that #712. darn numbers keep achangin’

    elissa (fe7129)

  734. Tutu,
    I’ve found GennetteC’s disappearance weird, especially given that her last comment was telling JR that she was going to email Nikki. Her supposed exit comment was hilarious, though. Credit where it is due.

    rogerthat (f5aad4)

  735. My previous comment should say

    @ 703 Tutu

    Sorry.

    rogerthat (f5aad4)

  736. I feel like I’ve gotten to the party late. We’ve almost got a full blown blog war going on. Almost that is.

    Why does everyone keep talking about “high stakes?” What are the stakes here?

    Someone further up mentioned what I’ve been wondering all along if Patterico was providing a venue of “rope” for many of the participants to go and try and “hang themselves” with. I never mentioned it before because it seemed to be working pretty well on both GC and JR.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  737. elissa@740,

    Excellent suggestion, and it inspired me. I don’t have any fromage or Bordeaux handy at the moment, but I do have a Charles Shaw Merlot that I’ve just uncorked.

    It helps pass the time while reading this thread and watching my NiMH batteries cycle in my smart charger.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  738. I noticed “Paul” used the words, “might could” in a sentence . That combination is found in areas such as eastern Kentucky and somewhat in western Virginia.

    Meh (f72fb5)

  739. Does that mean we’ll get “All that she Wants (is another baby)”? I hope so! It’s got a great beat.

    Comment by Dianna — 7/3/2011 @ 12:06 pm

    Love that song. So here’s another excuse for a comment toward 1000.

    no one you know (136b86)

  740. Perhaps some fromage and a glass of Bordeaux would help.

    Comment by elissa

    We’ve got a nice little spread out, including a domestic camembert and a zippy little petite sirah. Lots of fruit and both red and white sangria, some mac salad, bbq’d pork, and green salad for the sit-down portion of the meal. We are certain this will refresh us and our neighbors.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  741. I was fond of one theory – that the manipulator of sock puppets had been involved in the threats, and a by-stander (JG in MA) had gotten involved by accident

    For what it’s worth, I’m still quite fond of that theory. And for those who alternatively think that JGMA is the lone sockpuppeeter, doesn’t it seem odd that the puppeteer seems to operate on west coast time ?

    For example, in the new bunch of captured starchild tweets Prudence Paine posted, the puppets are still tweeting at 3:52 AM EDT. Sure, it’s _possible_ that someone in Boston could stay up all night generating inane tweets. On the other hand could someone in MA have done the May 14th tweets about the Dodgers game ? While the Redsox were playing the Yankees ? That I find that hard to believe.

    piglet (1bb7dc)

  742. And another dance tune, in happyfeet’s honor (I know he likes the artists and this is a great song)

    (applicability to current situation only semi-intended)

    no one you know (136b86)

  743. “…some mac salad…”

    0.0

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  744. #749 – Whee!

    Dancing!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  745. Good points, piglet. I tend to agree.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  746. When you lay down w/ dogs …..

    Just sayin’

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  747. @744- rogerthat I still think she holds a lot of the keys to the puzzle. When her BS stopped working, she disappears.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  748. **separated comment to add to total count**

    BTW have liked Lee’s stuff since he’s come here and am happy to see Patterico not wanting this to turn into burnt bridges. I truly hope it can end in, as elissa put pretty well, a denouement instead.

    no one you know (136b86)

  749. It will all come to brawling and requests to lower volume

    SarahW (af7312)

  750. #751 – piglet

    For what it’s worth, I’m still quite fond of that theory. And for those who alternatively think that JGMA is the lone sockpuppeeter, doesn’t it seem odd that the puppeteer seems to operate on west coast time ?

    Indeed, and thank you! I’ve been wondering if I’d fallen off the roof (gone irrational) with that theory.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  751. #744 roger
    She still reads and pops up to fuss a to make a short fuss.

    Meh (f72fb5)

  752. It will all come to brawling and requests to lower volume

    Comment by SarahW

    Probably. Unless someone proclaims an open-flame-war thread. Though that doesn’t always work, either.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  753. Typing from phone and I can’t catch edit mistakes . Arghh

    Meh (f72fb5)

  754. Stolen from Stranahan’s cat

    SOCK PARTY! (Anthem)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MUAnfEaqug

    SarahW (af7312)

  755. Tears before bedtime!

    (More towards 1,000 comments)

    Dianna (f12db5)

  756. #748, Meh, “might could” can also be found in current use both in Oklahoma and among the State’s peripatetic brethren relocated to California’s San Joaquin Valley.

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  757. summer solstice!

    here you click you see is beautiful!

    happy floating polish lanterns!

    Mr daley did you not hears????

    I am boycotting the tasty tasty sammins cause of America’s fascist and anti-science sammin policies

    all that’s about is Alaska’s corrupt representative Don Young preventing competitions – he’s a sick sick anti-American loserdouche

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  758. ________________________________________

    he’s like a one-eyed cat peepin’

    Speaking of one-eyed, here’s a fitting tribute to Anthony Weiner, symbolizing about all the seriousness and respect he deserves.

    BTW, the character of “son” or “Johnson,” referring to actor Clint Howard (aka Ron Howard’s brother), is a rarity in Hollywood: He’s a conservative.

    Mark (411533)

  759. 631 ∅

    Lee says he has law enforcement involved and being helpful but can’t say more about that yet. Don’t know what else, now that he’s cut confidences with Preston (a good thing!)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  760. oooh piglet EXCELLENT catch!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  761. 633. PatAz

    I took Lee’s frustration with the left’s positions on this story to be evidence of thinking, change, and generally positive. I’m not at all skeptical of it as it makes total sense. I think he’s a straight shooter & I disagree with him on lots of things, and agree on lots of others.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  762. #769 koam – Well, he was accused of making (or inspiring) threats. I’d want my name cleared PDQ.

    I still don’t quite understand what’s up with Ms. Preston.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  763. Rope, Did not know that speech pattern had spread . Lucky them. 😀

    Meh (f72fb5)

  764. The whole situation is easy to understand: Karl Rove is behind it to totally discredit the Democratic Party.

    Cheney helped.

    roy in nipomo (bca582)

  765. Of course koam, you asked the one question that Lee could not answer. Amazing, that.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  766. That little Weiner dude thinks he’s got a big rod? He don’t know what big is!

    Tachyglossus aculeatus (62e76d)

  767. Not clicking that for anything!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  768. Not having paid attention to the extended version of the Wiener twitter story I can’t comment on it. I will say my money is with Patterico. Not because I am trying to win a Patterico poney or anything. Patterico is one of only a few sites I have the linked or read on a daily basis. The storys are alway well reasoned, insightful and painstakingly detailed. If only our ‘real’ news sites could have the same standards. There I did my part for the 1,000.

    deadserfs (bb89f9)

  769. Dianna@778,
    Relax, it’s not a David Ehrenstein-type link. But it is animal porn – specifically, monotreme porn. That’s the best kind!

    Tachyglossus aculeatus (62e76d)

  770. Now interrupting your regularly scheduled programming.

    FYI grilling wieners isn’t green.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/07/01/4th-of-july/

    Comedy gold

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  771. Is this the best representation of the tweet timeline?

    http://www.soundbitten.com/

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  772. @cfbleachers … couldn’t agree with you more about Patrick’s character. A man of high integrity and very fair.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  773. “Mr daley did you not hears????”

    Mr. Feets – No I had not heard. Thanks for the heads up. Go with the bass shake instead.

    Damn Luddites!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  774. #781 – Ha!

    And the plum and ricotta tart is cooling, while I’ve set a bottle of muscat to chill.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  775. Is watermelon a racist fruit?

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  776. Happyfeet
    Spectacular! Thanks for sharing

    Meh (f72fb5)

  777. Bass-A-Matics are very reasonable these days.

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  778. Ok Dianna now you’re getting just mean.
    Torture me no more.

    Meh (f72fb5)

  779. Ok Dianna now you’re getting just mean.
    Torture me no more.

    Comment by Meh

    I sponsor a household of gustatory evil. If I weren’t watching my cholesterol, I’d be in a coma from eating by now.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  780. Dianna: Your meal sounds absolutely delicious, but is it approved by Michelle’s food police?

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  781. My contribution to a 1000 posts.

    I tend to think Lee’s theory is the most plausible. (omg! omg! some sock account thinks Lee might be right!)

    That doesn’t mean I think Patterico’s strategy is for not. I actually can’t wait to read Pat’s theory on all this when it’s laid out.

    I kind of thought they were just playing good cop/bad cop. Who knows? It will be fun to finally find out what really went down.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  782. Patterico, at comment 649, I asked this: Patterico, is it true that you got the information for your story on “Ethel” from John Reid?

    You asked where I got that idea from (I think, I’m lost with almost 800 comments to peruse). Well the idea came from Lee’s post where he says this:

    “A few days ago, Patterico told me that the source of that information. Sock puppet “John Reid” told Patterico about the Ethel Tumblr page and the “Large. In Charge” comments.”

    Woodshedder (44e97d)

  783. And the plum and ricotta tart is cooling…

    Dianna,

    Do you have proof of your FLOTUS pie waiver for this?

    Dana (4eca6e)

  784. Dianna: Your meal sounds absolutely delicious, but is it approved by Michelle’s food police?

    Comment by PatAZ

    No; in fact, it’s so incorrect that I’m thinking of writing it up and sending it to her office.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  785. If I eat Dianna’s tart in the Internet, but no one hears it. Does it exist?

    Meh (f72fb5)

  786. Do you have proof of your FLOTUS pie waiver for this?

    Comment by Dana

    If I had one, I’d ceremonially hand it over to one of the grill-meisters for fire-starting duty.

    Did I mention that there’s also gourmet ice cream? Two flavors: chocolate cherry and coconut.

    I can’t have ’em, but they’re there for everyone else!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  787. You BAKED. A. PIE. In an OVEN. Shame on you
    crying/laughing
    My mom called yesterday when I was reading that and she said “So I’ve got hot dogs and sausages I made potato salad and baked beans and I think your grandmother baked a pie”
    “gustatory evil” indeed. It’s time to stop the madness.
    I’ve put my foot down and told my 92yr old grandmother that I cannot sponsor her pie in my home.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  788. Remember the good old days? When Patrick was 24/7, fisking LAT? Wait! Did I say that? Why yes, I did.

    I condemn myself. It’s much, much better now, ie Patterico’s posts.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  789. If I eat Dianna’s tart in the Internet, but no one hears it. Does it exist?

    Surely it must because my mouth is watering already!

    Dana (4eca6e)

  790. Faithful reader. I have never commented before. Just trying to help out and get to the magic number of 1000.

    Constance Bartl-Luthi (0f2e6e)

  791. I can’t believe I’ve mentioned baking tarts, and no one’s quoted Lewis Carroll yet!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  792. Whoo-hoo! We’ve broken 800!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  793. Enjoy your Independence Day watermelon without undue concern. It’s and equal opportunity fruit which originated in Southern Africa and quickly spread throughout the African continent, to China, Europe, and eventually to the New World. (Slave traders packed stores of local foods like black-eyed peas and okra with which the slaves were already familiar to help keep them calm on the long voyage across the Atlantic.)

    Incidentally, archaeologists found numerous watermelon seeds in King Tut’s tomb.

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  794. All this pie talk reminds me of that Obama speech about pies. You would think I would have forgotten about that but it was so weird I still think about it sometimes.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  795. Question. Do we get another post after 1000. Pwease?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  796. I am the original Alice, but I was attempting to be modest. Have some tea?

    Meh (f72fb5)

  797. 806 #
    yes He was beyond strange. I kept wandering if he wS speaking in code

    Meh (f72fb5)

  798. Lift and load. Lift and load. One for little Adolph. And one for the road.

    From a movie on WWII, very under appreciated. Not the movie, but the effort of those, without which, the War in Europe, may have taken a decided turn for the worse.

    Rememeber all our veterans on the Fourth.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  799. @809

    I agree. It was another weirder than weird thing he has done that no one explains. I swear this guy does the weirdest stuff and no one says a word about it.

    Of course if Sarah Palin had…ah…you get the picture. =)

    Noodles (3681c4)

  800. Sadly, I have lost so much respect for Patterico in this. I am a relatively new reader and after this a former reader. The non weiner posts are well done and interesting. (Thank you Aaron Worthing, I hope you find a site that is worthy of you!) I do find the weiner story interesting but all the nonsense surrounding it has become ridiculous. I don’t for a second believe that Patterico isn’t sure of exactly what happened and who everybody is. Finishing the story and putting it all out there would result in a lot less attention for him now, wouldn’t it? All a lot of dramatic nonsense to get you all worked up. Go Go 1000 posts. Ick!

    Amanda Lynn (d3e2bd)

  801. Thank you, MDr. We always do, here.

    I read a suggestion that a reading of the Declaration is an appropriate start to dinner.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  802. The WeinerGate plumbers.

    Think about it.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  803. We have seen entirely too much of Weiner’s plumbing.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  804. Coming in at 812 with a bullet, Amanda Lynn.

    Tutu (54ce64)

  805. I remember when Congressmen mailed out pictures of themselves shaking hands with the President and such rather than sending pictures of their genitals or of themselves naked in the House showers to young women.

    Does that date me?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  806. “We have seen entirely too much of Weiner’s plumbing.”

    Hmmmmm. Most “plumbing” I’ve seen is a wee bit bigger. Now maybe if Swift is the standard, ie lilliputian …..

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  807. #802

    Faithful reader. I have never commented before. Just trying to help out and get to the magic number of 1000.

    Comment by Constance Bartl-Luthi — 7/3/2011 @ 1:39 pm

    Ditto. I must add, I’m totally lost on weinergate, and have lost many hours reading about tarts and anteaters!

    Amy Shulkusky (f1ee33)

  808. Having read both Stranahan and Patterico, I have two points to make, one long, one brief.

    Long point. It is very hard to take Stranahan seriously. He cannot present a narrative clearly; indeed he sometimes seems unable to write English. He (perhaps legitimately) withholds information, but then expects people to accept his only partially suppported arguments. He does not reason; he pronounces.

    I must admit that, based on what I have read so far, what seems most plausible is that JG MA is the one and only puppeteer. But I have not seen proof. Stranahan seems to believe that his failure to threaten JG MA proves that she is lying so desperately that she must be the arch-deceiver. As Patterico, however, points out, it is possible that someone did threaten her (just not Stranahan).

    It is also possible that JG MA may in fact have subjectively felt threatened by Stranahan. His recorded conversation with the JG CA was very odd. He bugs JG CA to communicate with him, says virtually nothing after communications are established, asks her if she wants to ask him anything, and then intimates that she must prove to him a negative and that she is guilty in his eyes until proven innocent. That conversation was odd enough to create an impression of threat that was not intended.

    JG MA’s subjective feeling that Stranahan threatened her might have been (probably was) wholly made up, but it might possibly have been true, particularly if she is indeed the puppeteer. I simply cannot assign any probative value to the conjunction of the two facts that (1) she alleged being threatened, and (2) Stranahan did not intentionally threaten her.

    Short point. Lay off Stranahan’s cat. I have never heard a cat do a better broadcast. If your cats are superior performers, let’s hear them.

    JeffM (d78fd0)

  809. All I know is, I used to read this blog religiously–checked it several times a day. After Lee Stranahan showed up, I just quit reading it. I’d check every great once in a while, but that was all. It was like the character of the blog changed, and not for the better. It sounds like the blog will be going back to the way it used to be–I like that, and will be checking it more often again.

    Barbara Oakley (a19e30)

  810. Okay, I need to finish getting the yard ready, etc. for tomorrow. When I get back I expect Lee or Patterico to have broken this case wide open!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  811. I am stepping out for some time with boyfriend and guests. And to evict the cat that’s hanging out in the kiddie pool I set up for my dogs; the dogs won’t go near it.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  812. “All I know is, I used to read this blog religiously–checked it several times a day. After Lee Stranahan showed up, I just quit reading it.”

    I was just as shocked, ie giving a leftist, keys to the car. Yet one more example that, the enemy of my enemy, is a friend, doesn’t always work out so well.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  813. Just helping to get to 1000.

    Oh, an observation…Lee is still much too close to the left side of the political sphere to trust anything from him as fact. Of course, that’s just my opinion, because I never trust anything from anyone on the left. They lie with much too much ease.

    Susie Q (a6955c)

  814. 676 have blue

    just say what you mean. who has time to go figure out your riddle?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  815. When did Weiner announce he had legal counsel, and a security firm to investigate? How many days before that announcement had he procured same? When did the sock puppets and threats start to escalate/grow?

    What we need – an investigation headed by Ben Veniste

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  816. This is getting a little in the weeds, maybe a new thread, re Volokhs’ analysis of Judge Graham,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  817. Will a glittery ball drop at 1000?
    I sure hope so or else I’m going to feel like a fool with this top hat and noisemaker.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  818. Speaking of cats, and to add my one-thousandth, let me pose a question. Is a single man with a cat a turnoff to potential dates, as in not very manly?

    My boss (a woman) says it is, but she is a dog-lover. I also love dogs, but am considering getting a cat because they are easier to leave alone when I am at work or traveling.

    I wonder what others think.

    norcal (c37272)

  819. @Amanda Lynn: Since you are relatively new reader, let me tell you that you are mistaken. Patrick is not one to jump to conclusions or head into anything with a pre-conceived notion. He gathers information and looks at it and let the evidence itself lead to the conclusion.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  820. I’ve been trying (unsuccessfully) on Twitter to get someone to lay out for me a unifying theory of what’s going on here. My guess is that it’s just too complicated for that venue, so I thought I would try here. The closest I can come is the idea that this whole thing is masterminded and created by a single entity as a screenplay/performance art piece. Maybe that’s what Lee is proposing, although he never really comes out and says it. If so, who is the real person behind it all? And if this isn’t the best/most reasonable/most widely held theory, then what is.

    If nothing else, this will help get to 1000.

    PS – I admire Patterico for bringing Lee on. The idea clearly was that Lee was seeing things from a different perspective, but that he saw that the right wasn’t as nasty as the left. I believe Lee was correct (although I am guessing he doubts it now). In any case, this feels like one of those “It seemed like a good idea at the time” things. The issues that I (and I think Patterico as well) have with Lee have nothing to do with his political positions. Sometimes things just don’t work out the way we want them to.

    Jan (fd5949)

  821. Sometimes I get the impression that Stranahan is part of the very smokescreen is claims to be trying to cut through.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  822. Please cancel my subscription to Sports Illustrated.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  823. #824, MDr and #825, Suzie Q: My thoughts exactly from both of you. I felt at the beginning of the whole Weiner escapade, Lee seemed to want Weiner to be innocent and set up by his enemies so badly. Even after Weiner confessed, Lee still didn’t seem to be satisfied. Lee may be able to see bias from the left, but he is nowhere near changing sides.

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  824. Jan @832

    Maybe there ISN’T a grand unifying theory. Maybe we have a case of really different individuals doing different things for different reasons. Or maybe more than one person can use an account so maybe for some sock puppets, it isn’t just one person tweeting in that name. To assume anything at this point is the road to folly.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  825. 829 – @RepWeiner is arranging for the glittery ball(s).

    Jan (fd5949)

  826. 834 – Cancel your own damn subscription! (HT to William F. Buckley)

    Jan (fd5949)

  827. “Sometimes I get the impression that Stranahan is part of the very smokescreen is claims to be trying to cut through.”

    Which sparks, a completely unrelated, cross neuronal, contamination.

    All the original Journolistas were never identified. Who believes they haven’t resurrected themselves? Who are they? Any doubts they may have insinuated themselves into this very negative Dem story. To salvage what they can.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  828. #830 norcal –

    I take to guys with pets. Or I used to, anyway. Cats are perfectly acceptable in a single guy in an apartment, and anything but unmanly.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  829. General feelings:

    I never knew who Stranahan was before the Weiner scandal led me from Ace’s site to Patterico. Stranahan does appear to have difficulty clearly explaining what he knows and why. That was my impression when he first declared certainty about JG (“Conjecture is over”). The proof was that he talked to her on the phone and he talked to her alleged professor. But the proof wasn’t enough to show it was not a hoaxer, especially after what happened with Tommy Christopher.

    In a recent post, Stranahan wrote: “Alicia Pain and John Reid have been working behind the scenes trying to get other people to reveal (alleged) information on Rep. Weiner and underage women.”

    Okay. Um, how does he know this? Or is it conjecture?

    I think most of Stranahan’s theories and conjectures are reasonable. But he does seem to go overboard and submit them as verified fact.

    Patterico’s theory could be totally off the wall but I have never taken his theories as his definitive conclusions. I thought giving JR a platform was a good idea. But it was clearly never an endorsement by Patterico.

    In my view Patterico is more Poirot and Stranahan more Scooby Doo. Patterico is more methodical and uncertain, testing his theories. Stranahan declares the identity of the monster based on gut feeling and a handful of facts (the problem is that there is often another rubber mask yet to be removed).

    Crispian (70c05e)

  830. Crosspatch 836 – I didn’t mean to suggest that there was just one. I’m trying to understand what Patterico, or Lee, or somebody else actually thinks happened. I’m not assuming anything. I do believe tho that some people have a picture in their mind of what transpired, by whom, and for what purpose, but nobody seems to want to lay it out for “peer review”. I don’t want anybody to put their reputation on the line. I’d just like to get an understanding of what they think the overall picture is based on what they know at this point.

    Jan (fd5949)

  831. Maybe you need a homicide detective to solve this.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f74ae)

  832. #832 – Somewhere in the early hundreds of this monster thread, I asked Patterico if we were talking about a Glenn Greenwald-style “fun on the internet” hoax (a sock puppet or two) or “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” scale hoax. I’d still like to know.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  833. You know, Weiner was blackmailed – in 2009. The New York almost flatly reported it then.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f74ae)

  834. Weiner was blackmailed? For what? Did an errant wiener pic show up in someone’s inbox?

    Mike Myers (0e06a9)

  835. Weiner was blackmailed? For what? Did an errant wiener pic show up in someone’s inbox?

    Comment by Mike Myers

    Ditto.

    And why would he not say, “Publish and be damned!”? He wasn’t married, then, and it would take more than some sexting by a single guy to make a serious scandal.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  836. “Maybe you need a homicide detective to solve this.”

    You’re a little too late with your request.

    Columbo RIP

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  837. Lee seems to be unable to distinguish between a theory and a fact. He is also apparently unable to distinguish between someone advancing a theory and claiming a fact as true.

    Absolutely true. I noticed this during his discussions with Ace. He’s got no sense of the difference between possibility and probability; thus, anything that is possible is regarded as probable depending upon utility in the moment.

    rdbrewer (f628a1)

  838. Anyone know if Weiner’s blackberry was confiscated while he is in rehab?

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  839. #840 Dianna

    Thank you for your response. I have a house rather than an apartment, but I’m assuming that wouldn’t change your answer about a single guy with a cat.

    norcal (c37272)

  840. rdbrewer, I have asked him questions, and I thought his responses indicated that he’d made up his mind.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  841. #851 norcal – Not at all.

    I’m a fanatic, which is why I could have dogs and cats while single. It’s hard. Single people usually stick to a cat, and I don’t blame them.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  842. Folks what you have here is two people who go about this in very different fashions. I am dismayed by Lee posting that article the other day about Pat putting JohnReid9 on this site. I never once felt pat was giving Reid a pass. In fact I go the feeling that Pat was giving US the chance to grill JohnReid9. Many of you asked some great questions. Now go back and look how many REALLY tough ones he did not answer. Also compare his writing style to others in this scenario, like Patriotusa76 and any other of the purported Sock Puppets. Plenty of tweets out there on scribed and such. As far as the feud. Not sure who pissed on whose cornflakes first but accepting the method of investigation should be the priority. I don’t think Pat feels Lee is right and up until now he has never said that. But Lee did Publicly.

    As for me. I find Lees analysis interesting. But much of what he does is supposition and in the world that Pat lives in supposition can get you hammered. Fact is what matters.

    I am a trained interviewer and without giving away too much I will say I knew EXACTLY what Patterico was doing letting JohnReid post freely.

    As far as Lee’s assumptions they too serve to challenge the reader to dig deeper. Lee is begging people to look into things.

    Everyone is a suspect until they can be rules out. That is done by questioning and evidence gathering. But without a subpoena we only have what we have on Twitter and these few pages that still talk about this story.

    Who got hurt?
    Who benefited?
    When did they give information?
    How did they know it?

    These are the questions I am trying to answer.

    What are yours?

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  843. Even someone not at all involved in journalism knows you don’t prove you cannot be trusted then wonder why people stop talking to you.

    StillConfused (786412)

  844. Hey Still do I know you?

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  845. Totally understand why Patterico gave the floor to JR9, don’t understand why that was a problem in anyones mind. I get Lee’s assertion that fake people are spreading lies behind the curtain and those lies should not be promulgated but Patterico lifted the curtain. Didn’t write the script and was clear he was “agnostic”
    I don’t know sometimes I think Lee confuses me lately more than anything in this entire drama. sorry?
    Just so I can be even more cheesy and theatrical
    “Me thinks thou doth protest too much”

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  846. #837 Jan. Shiver, Gag

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  847. Hey Still do I know you?

    Comment by mikemadden59

    My statement was a general one mikemadden59. I don’t know you.

    StillConfused (786412)

  848. I hope we get to 1,000 soon and Patrick publishes his magnum opus that explains everything Weiner.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  849. Obsession is not just a perfume.

    Huey (ddf1a4)

  850. Isn’t Obsession a cologne? And what’s the difference?

    *Doing my bit for 1,000 comments!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  851. JeffG, LGF, and now Patterico. You will respect my authority!

    Boogity Boogity Boogity (b12543)

  852. Remember when this was just about a perv with a God-complex?

    StillConfused (786412)

  853. #851 norcal
    I have a dog however cats are not at all feminine for a single guy to have. Unless you have a lot.
    Frankly I think people who HATE cats are a little irrational. Although this attachment makes me question that.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/getoverit.gif

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  854. 864 Yeah, good times.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  855. I think cats are marvels of nature, but they don’t really serve the kind of functional and companionship role that a dog can. My dog guards my house. She protects my home and family.

    Can she gracefully fall to her feet? No. Cats are amazing. But boy do I wonder how a person could choose a cat over a dog for a pet, unless they don’t really want the work of a pet.

    Plus dogs don’t use the facilities in your home unless you are a failed owner.

    Talking about private conversations without permission is never great; doing so and getting them wrong is worse; doing so and getting them wrong in an environment when threats have been made and law enforcement is involved is reckless.

    Admittedly, my episode was minor, but the similarity is impossible to miss.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  856. I prefer drakkar noir. Whatever happened to Canoe? As far as obsession goes, I’ve read shrink babble explaining that Nobama is a classic narcissist. Cracks me up so many Jewish people here in Palm Beach co. continue to think he is god and weiner’s internet play was his own private life. But of course the evil Bushitler remains the cause of all our present woes because Obama needs more time. One twat even insists we should re-elect duh won in 2016. God save us from idiotic bastard’s children assclowns.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (40c5f4)

  857. @Crispian #841 … “In my view Patterico is more Poirot and Stranahan more Scooby Doo.”

    Great analogy. I have felt the same way.

    Anitabusch (a025dd)

  858. Oh yes, it is just lovely to listen to some little yapping mutt carry on at all hours of day and night incessantly barking. That said, just watched episode of Sleeper Cell wherein dirtbag Muslim terroists kills a bunch of dogs while testing some deadly gas phosgene. He says next time we test it on two-legged creatures. Would love to see it used on terrorists. can some libtard here tell me why I should have any sympathy for the religion of peace or the permanent widdle refugees Palistineans? Israel could nuke Iran’s nuke facilities or even Mecca and I would say good on them. Of course the UN and Euroweenies would be upset but why should I care?

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (40c5f4)

  859. Anita, You’re strong and brave, and I’m glad to see you’re still standin’ up and talkin’ back.

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  860. While we’re on the road to 1,000 comments, here’s a PSA for those of us in California:

    Some CA retailers still charging repealed sales tax
    . . .On 1 July (the date the lower rate became effective), my son Steve and family went to lunch at “On the Border,” a nationwide restaurant chain with about 15 locations in CA. When the bill arrived, it included the outdated 8.75% San Diego sales tax. My son (at spouse Ingrid’s insistence) informed the manager of the change. The manager quickly contacted the regional office, and apparently this resulted in the entire chain becoming aware of the update. Steve scored a free meal out of it, and the restaurant was definitely pleased he brought it to their attention.

    In the only retail transaction I made on 1 July, I found that I had to correct an auto shop bill that included the wrong 8.75% sales tax. The garage was an independent — not a chain. As always, caveat emptor. . .

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  861. Bradley have you sent your story to Aaron, too? Unfortunately, DRJ doesn’t blog here (Though I’m sure she could if she wanted… and I know I’d love to read her stuff).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  862. I hope we get to 1,000 soon and Patrick publishes his magnum opus that explains everything Weiner.

    Comment by Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. — 7/3/2011 @ 3:37 pm

    Pat: When we hit 1,000 will you post the final, comprehensive explanation of the Weinergate sockpuppet universe?

    slp (347e33)

  863. Now Patterico feuds with Jeff Goldstein, Radley Balko, and Lee Stranahan. At some point Patterico should think whether the problem is with all of these other people or himself.

    I knew it wouldn’t last between him and Stranahan. Patterico is as thin skinned as they come…he can’t take any criticism no matter how light. And despite him talking a good game about being civil, he still flings out unprovoked attacks against those like Balko and Goldstein.

    With all the talk of bannings and sock puppets, this place reads more like 4chan than a respectable conservative blog. Just Sayin.

    JustinSayin (9eb0fa)

  864. “You know, Weiner was blackmailed – in 2009. The New York almost flatly reported it then.”

    Mike “The Big Nanny” Bloomberg apparently threatened to expose what a major horndog Weiner was if he threw his hat in the mayoral race. I believe the Post wrote about it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  865. Dustin,
    DRJ emailed me immediately afterwards, and it’s in her capable hands. My issue isn’t as huge as Weinergate, but it’s still worth some attention, I think. I had emailed Patterico and Aaron earlier, but Weinergate has pre-empted everything else with their blog time.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  866. JustinSayin – That.Is.Exactly.What.Happened.

    Outlaw!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  867. Patterico provided a forum for Lee JohnReid to say what he wanted to say and present what evidence he wanted to present.

    Patterico has been pretty scrupulous to say that he didn’t necessarily agree with what Lee JohnReid had to say, nor that he endorsed what Lee JohnReid said as true.

    It seems to me that if Patterico, after making honest attempts put aside any biases and disagreements with what Lee JohnReid said on his blog, feels that he is being misrepresented by Lee JohnReid, he has every right to stop allowing Lee JohnReid access to post information on his blog.

    Just a thought.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  868. JustinSayin:Did someone make you come here to read? JustAskin

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  869. When we get to posting 999, nobody make a post. Lets just let it hang there for a while.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  870. When is JohnReid9 going to show up and do a video chat with Patterico?

    He answered some questions in comments for several days and then disappeared.

    He needs to keep his promise to Pat and do the video chat.

    slp (347e33)

  871. crosspatch,
    You’re just trying to set up a prisoners dilemma, aren’t you?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  872. #880 crosspatch
    Sockkk!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  873. re: comment 871:

    Here’s a very handy document for determing your updated local tax rate:

    http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub71.pdf

    h2u (0025d1)

  874. It seems to me that if Patterico, after making honest attempts put aside any biases and disagreements with what Lee JohnReid said on his blog, feels that he is being misrepresented by Lee JohnReid, he has every right to stop allowing Lee JohnReid access to post information on his blog.

    I do.

    You might ask yourself: when is the last time JohnReid9 posted on this blog? When is the last time I stated that JohnReid9 had misrepresented my private communications with him? These are questions you might want to ask yourself.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  875. With all the talk of bannings and sock puppets, this place reads more like 4chan than a respectable conservative blog. Just Sayin.

    Comment by JustinSayin

    And as a concerned Christian conservative, you just had to speak up?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  876. You might ask yourself: when is the last time JohnReid9 posted on this blog? When is the last time I stated that JohnReid9 had misrepresented my private communications with him? These are questions you might want to ask yourself.

    Funny you should say this. I was sitting here wondering if JohnReid9 was in moderation or something….

    Asking myself isn’t working; there’s only a handful of people who could answer this question.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  877. #874, JustinSayin, Patterico’s not all that thin skinned. He takes his share of hard knocks here, some on target and some wide of the mark, and he doesn’t pull rank.

    But, yes, he can also be prickly at times. On balance though, for the most part, he’s hard working, fair, and patient.

    Check out the most recent Sockpuppet Friday post, there are several shots aimed directly at him.

    ropelight (8ea8ac)

  878. On the contrary, Dustin, cats CAN use the facilities indoors, and that is a distinct advantage, even when they forget to flush.

    What’s the saying? Dogs have owners, cats have staff. I guess that is true, but hey, free mice.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  879. “I know SPQR, but Lee has torpedoed all credibility with me. You’re kinder than I am in this.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/3/2011 @ 9:33 am

    I’m sure its a phase that I’ll grow out of in a minute or two, returning to my usual asshole self … and sure enough, I just did.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  880. Interesting that JustinSayin lumps Jeff, Lee, and Radly in the same group. I don’t think Patterico ever said such a thing.

    Patterico has been very tolerant of disagreement on his blog for years, but he debates in a principled manner and he does take exception to his positions and arguments being misstated and distorted and to private discussions being published without permission and in many cases without much attention to accuracy. Is that what JustinSayin is saying these people have in common?

    I don’t think that reflects badly on Patterico.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  881. Cats rule!!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  882. I would not be surprised if Lee or others have asked people to comment on here against Patrick.

    Those of us who know Patrick, know better. The rest is just an ill attempt at defamation of character by people who have an agenda … and very transparent.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  883. I think we should start taking bets on what time 1000 will appear. (although I suppose someone could take the fun out of it and type “I Win” a hundred times.
    I’m taking 6:59 pm

    StillConfused (786412)

  884. norcal 830, 851

    IMO a man who does what he wants despite what “people” will think is most attractive. Less attractive is thinking that we women all think alike. 😉 Get a cat if that’s what fits your lifestyle best. If you lose out on a date because of it … well, aren’t likely missing out on much.

    Dustin, 867 Agreed.. although I had a 120 lb rottweiler who could (until I caught her) jump into the kitchen sink to perch in the window with the grace of a cat. Straight up– without a running start.

    eman (0e848b)

  885. This site is starting to remind me of LGF, unfortunately.

    oldirishpig (e7adde)

  886. This site is starting to remind me of LGF, unfortunately.

    Comment by oldirishpig — 7/3/2011 @ 4:46 pm

    When your comment disappears, I’ll believe you.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  887. Machinist – JustinSayin mentions Patterico and JG have gotten in spats. JG has pissed everybody off over the years. For some reason JustinSayin feels this reflects more on Patterico.

    I know, I know, Intentionalism!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  888. Comment by Pious Agnostic — 7/3/2011 @ 4:49 pm

    Good point! Nicely put.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

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    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  890. “But, yes, he can also be prickly at times. ”

    Just don’t make him have to repeat himself.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  891. 901?

    slp (347e33)

  892. daleyrocks,
    The people he mentions tend top take disagreement as attacks and fly off the handle. I would resent being lumped with some of those.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  893. I meant to be 901 when I wrote “901?”

    Will this post be 902 or a later post?

    slp (347e33)

  894. 902 – I have see a few “don’t make me have to repeat myself” comments here and on twitter. I thought it was interesting at the time.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  895. Approximately 93 comments to go! Excelsior!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  896. Millenarianism can be fun!

    Mokum (20a906)

  897. Boxers or briefs?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  898. Millenarianism can be fun!

    Comment by Mokum

    Back in high school, I started a great fight by laying out the argument for post-tribulationism, nearly provoking a fist-fight between two of the youth.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  899. Here’s another 0.1%

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  900. Speaking of the various tribulationisms, what if that idea was planted on purpose so we won’t be all that afraid when some alien race comes to collect us for food? Lee, thoughts?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  901. Ok, gonna take the kids to the pool. Have fun!

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  902. @ #900

    Will there be a special om Sockpuppet Friday?

    Bill M (25d866)

  903. I had to look it up. Apparently, “post-tribulationism” is the belief that after this thread reaches 1000 comments, there will be a period when loyal Patterico readers will remain, wandering about aimlessly, until such time when another post is, uh, posted.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  904. Tempus fugit.

    roy in nipomo (bca582)

  905. EDF scares children and small animals.

    StillConfused (786412)

  906. Pretty accurate, Pious Agnostic!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  907. “When your comment disappears, I’ll believe you.

    Comment by Pious Agnostic — 7/3/2011 @ 4:49 pm”

    It isn’t so much a case of you believing me, because I do feel that way, but more a question of your agreement, wouldn’t you say? But once the disappearances start (not saying they will, mind you), it will be too late, lol.

    Still, I take your point. Well said.

    oldirishpig (e7adde)

  908. SOCKPUPPET FRIDAYS! © Why didn’t I think of that!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  909. What’s the topic again?

    Mrs. Ed (a91fe8)

  910. it’s “smoked sausage”…

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  911. 820. JeffM

    Excellent points about how JG MA may have perceived Lee interaction.

    I asked Lee to list everything he said to JG MA and he hasn’t responded. I don’t know if he saw my question or not.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  912. nuttin’ from nuttin’
    but Barry the Destroyer
    he just gotta go

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  913. this just in to desk
    weiner caught snortin’ some tweet
    off his blackberry

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  914. Ponder the meaning of post No.925

    Cmate (525edc)

  915. #926 – I am awestruck.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  916. I’m not going to go back and re-read all 900+ comments.

    Did we decide that Patterico’s theories, (you remember, the topic of this post) were plausible and/or realistic?

    Patterico said in UPDATE X2 that he was feeling better “with each passing second.” A lot of seconds have passed since then. I note, also, that good feelings can be generated by having a disturbing theory disproved, so don’t assume, as some have done, that this means he really likes these theories.

    I seem to recall that #1 was generally not supported, while #2 was generally rebutted with “meh.”

    Right? Wrong? Indifferent?

    Either way, closer to our true goal.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  917. colonel’s lost brain cells
    come back to haunt him BIGTIME
    but he got rhythm

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  918. PA,
    Patterico wrote: “I’m feeling better about the theory with each passing second.” (emphasis added)

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  919. Come on 1000…

    (Just trying to help)

    RB (382560)

  920. Patterico’s theories

    1. False

    2. True

    3. True

    slp (347e33)

  921. On the other hand, the evidence to date supports the following answers:

    1. False

    2. False

    3. False

    slp (347e33)

  922. #930 Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R.

    Ah, good point. I guess that an average person would interpret that to mean that the course of the discussion made him more inclined to think the theory sound.

    I’m hardly an expert of Intentionalism (what I know I’ve learned here) but I know that an average person’s interpretation is a powerful argument, absent any other way of determining what an author intended.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  923. Pious Agnostic,

    That’s what I think as well. It may also be a goad to those who think the theory wrong to speak up. He’s carefully withheld an ex patterica pronouncement on the theory’s validity.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (62e76d)

  924. ex patterica

    LOVE it! 🙂

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  925. Is this the ONT?

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  926. Very clever, Bradley, and I think your theory may be right, too.

    On another topic, did John Reid ever explain how Jennifer George’s Twitter account changed into Nikki Reid’s? I’ve read so much stuff that I can’t remember if that’s been answered.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  927. Dragging this thread across the 1000 comment line is like going to Branson. It isn’t all that interesting or enlightening, but when it’s over, you can say you did it once.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  928. #938 – I cannot recall, either, and it’s a good question.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  929. Patterico=Patrick Frey=Idiot Prosecutor

    Once this post is deleted, it will screw up whoever gets Post 1000!!

    mr mister (3eb1d0)

  930. When you’re transitioning from dyed in the wool “Crooks & Liars is teh bomb” to neo-conservative (a la neo-neocon), there are bound to be stumbles along the way, and a great many growing pains. It is possible Stranahan stumbled painfully.

    But I have also found times where I felt the need to fire my 16-inch main battery at Patterico. (What can I say? I’m a former member of the Teufel Hunden.)

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  931. Oh, and mr mister is just a moron sock for some other moron who has been here before and got banned for being a moron.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  932. Mr. Mister … assassinate character much? And anonymously, too. Means you have an agenda to defame. What a despicable act.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  933. This comment thread is running on fumes now. It’s going to be an empty victory for Patterico!

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  934. Take
    These Broken Wings
    And Learn To Lie Again
    Learn to Live Unfree.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  935. Throw us a bone so we can go for 2K!

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  936. Throw us a bone so we can go for 2K!

    Comment by CausticConservative

    Bite your tongue! Or rap your own knuckles with a pencil!

    I can blather with the best, but that’s too much to ask.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  937. When we get to 1,000 do we get Teh Rapture or Teh Zombie Apocalypse?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  938. There is a story that I hate.
    It is this thing called “Weinergate.”
    We always knew he was a loser.
    Why must he dominate my Google newser?
    Wouldn’t want to speculate*
    But maybe he’s a boozer.*

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/02/a-poem-my-take-on-weinergate/

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  939. Four dozen doughnuts.

    Imagine four boxes of doughnuts, somebody brought them into the office.

    Everybody takes one. They, they are all gone.

    That’s how many comments we have left. Take one.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  940. Sock puppets and threats,
    Pictures we don’t want to see,
    A dirty business.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  941. Like some arguments,
    Those doughnuts have holes in them.
    And they are messy.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  942. A cinnamon roll,
    Is better than two doughnuts,
    But counts only once.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  943. Quantity from me,
    Quality from other folks,
    With more agile minds.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  944. I think we all should understand that there is a or several criminal forces at work here … People have gotten threatened for looking into a news story.

    I experienced this myself first-hand.

    The criminal/s behind these threats is/are domestic terrorists and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    These tactics are not unfamiliar. They are similar to what “Sineater” pi Anthony Pellicano (who worked to discredit Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky for Bill and Hillary Clinton) worked — threaten and defame.

    FACTS: Lesbian rumors surfaced in Sept. 2007 about Huma and Hillary and the very next month, the NY Post posted a gossip item about Huma’s romantic interest in Anthony Weiner. Bill Clinton officiated at their wedding.

    Pellicano was thrown in prison for 15 years. I can only hope whomever is behind these criminal threats ends up with a similar fate.

    They are the scum of the Earth.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  945. It’s late for me, so this’ll be my last until tomorrow.

    Take it on home, Machinist!

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  946. Pious Agnostic,
    Good night and sweet dreams to you,
    We will carry on.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  947. Comment by Anita Busch — 7/3/2011 @ 6:45 pm

    I could not agree more, but it will be hard to make progress with this. The left is too dependent on it as a tactic.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  948. Neal Rauhauser’s Linked-In profile says “Hitman for the Lesbian Mafia” underneath his name.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  949. @Machinist — Politics is a dirty business and has been throughout history, but don’t kid yourself. It goes on on BOTH sides. Remember Watergate?

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  950. Pellicano was thrown in prison for 15 years. I can only hope whomever is behind these criminal threats ends up with a similar fate.

    They are the scum of the Earth.

    Agreed. But let’s hope they’re not thrown in a California prison, or “15 years” might well turn into 90 days, measured as 5 8-hour days a week, making a calendar week turn into 4 weeks and a day of prison time.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  951. Gratuitious shot at post 1000!

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  952. On another topic, did John Reid ever explain how Jennifer George’s Twitter account changed into Nikki Reid’s?
    Comment by DRJ — 7/3/2011 @ 6:10 pm

    That is one of gaping holes in JohnReid9’s story. As Lee demonstrated, it was simple for Jennifer George to change the name on the account from starchild 111 to Nikki Reid. His demonstration is on his site.

    http://leestranahan.com/

    slp (347e33)

  953. This still going on? Perhaps Patterico play the Palin Card; that’s good for at least 40 PDS-inspired comments.

    Hope you get to 1K, seriously.

    Simon Jester (2df2ee)

  954. Lee Stranahan has a new post up saying he will stop commenting on Weinergate, as it is in the hands of law enforcement. I am in total agreement, as I say here.

    This is still the relevant comment thread and will remain so.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  955. You guys are lagging, my post 964 should have been 1000.

    A couple of random thoughts –

    I like Lee but he lost me when he posted that we had all “gone off the rails on the crazy train” by “pretending” JReid was real.

    On the big picture, I still think the story is coordination by Weiner and his staff to cover things up and we still have some big trees that shouldn’t be missed for this forest –

    1 – Gennette was involved and was frantically trying to gather information here.

    2 – The blizzard of sockpuppetry by the various players

    3 – The appearance of Dem Operative Neil, who could conceivably be exactly the type of guy a Dem congressman would bring in for sub rosa work and then deny knowing later.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  956. Lee has stopped talking publicly but I’ll be on TMZ tomorrow. Stay tuned, lots of news to come!

    Strahahan's Cat (c86eb0)

  957. That Jennifer George in Massachusetts created Nikki Reid, JohnReid9, Marinela Alicea, Mark Alicea, PatriotUSA76,and Alicia Pain is more likely scenario than starchild111 was hacked and taken over by someone else.

    slp (347e33)

  958. I like the way you think KaiserSose.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  959. Alicia Pain is not necessarily in the same category as the rest.

    I mean nobody is NECESSARILY in the same category, but she especially is not.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  960. 951.When we get to 1,000 do we get Teh Rapture or Teh Zombie Apocalypse?

    Oooh, tough choice. Canz I haz both please?!?

    Hopefully, Pat will have the updated post he has been hinting at.

    Bill M (25d866)

  961. “It’s in the hands of law enforcement at this point.”

    Is there an active investigation by law enforcement?

    oldirishpig (e7adde)

  962. I don’t plan to do a post about this, but I have a couple of rhetorical questions:

    1) Who first mentioned JG to Lee?

    2) Who first brought Marianela Alicea tweets to Tommy Christopher’s attention?

    3) What is the relationship of this person to Andrew Breitbart?

    Chew on all that for a while and get back to me.

    And yeah: I came up with that ALL ON MY OWN! So don’t ask me who tipped me off.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  963. Where is JohnReid9?

    When is he going to do the video chat with Patterico?

    slp (347e33)

  964. Is there an active investigation by law enforcement?

    No comment.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  965. Dang. Lee’s big book/movie deal must be on hold then. *cry (ugh)

    StillConfused (786412)

  966. It looks like Lee is taking a break from the story, that’s probably wise. This story seems to carry with it a Mummy like curse. The more involved you get the madder you become.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  967. At post 1000, I don’t have to worry about putting gas in my car anymore or paying my mortgage. At post 1000 Obama does it for me!

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  968. I’ve been wondering who brought up the JG name in general I believe the story is that St. Louis Activist Hub brought up the name Jenny George in CA initially. Beyond that I don’t know where the name came from.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  969. “It’s in the hands of law enforcement at this point.”

    It could be worse.

    TSA

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  970. Alicia Pain is not necessarily in the same category as the rest.

    I mean nobody is NECESSARILY in the same category, but she especially is not.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/3/2011 @ 7:08 pm

    Sorry. I am not paying close enough attention to all the players.

    slp (347e33)

  971. Does the TSA CHeck SOCKS?

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  972. I was way off. I said #1000 would be 6:59pm

    StillConfused (786412)

  973. I can’t believe I’m sitting here refreshing my screen until the magic number appears.

    Bill M (25d866)

  974. This is still the relevant comment thread and will remain so.

    Comment by Patterico —

    I am now officially laughing until I cry. I have no idea what’s going on, I cannot make head nor tail of which sock puppet belongs to whom.

    I don’t even know if John Reid9 explained anything or not.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  975. This whole episode should put to rest how in lockstep conservatives are. Contrary to popular leftie myth most people on the right for better or for worse think for themselves.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  976. FACTS: Lesbian rumors surfaced in Sept. 2007 about Huma and Hillary and the very next month, the NY Post posted a gossip item about Huma’s romantic interest in Anthony Weiner. Bill Clinton officiated at their wedding.

    Comment by Anita Busch — 7/3/2011 @ 6:45 pm

    Anita – Weiner’s behavior would make a lot more sense if he was a beard for Huma. Very good point.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  977. I agree 100% with what Johnny 5 said.

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  978. The true sockpuppet is Clinton’s dead caat, Socks.

    And it lives with Lee.

    Bill M (25d866)

  979. ba-da-bing!

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  980. Patterico do threats that cross state lines necessarily involve the FBI?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  981. Lee should dedicate his Weinergate book to Shari Lewis.

    slp (347e33)

  982. I’ve been wondering who brought up the JG name in general I believe the story is that St. Louis Activist Hub brought up the name Jenny George in CA initially. Beyond that I don’t know where the name came from.

    You answered #1.

    On to #2!

    Hint: you answered #2.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  983. So who the heck is Dan Wolfe anyway?

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  984. #1000 FTW!

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  985. What 991 said. I’m down.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  986. Oh my. History

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  987. So then who is St. Louis Activist Hub? My only knowledge of it is from the mentions by Lee.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  988. Should old acquaintance be forgot,
    and never brought to mind ?
    Should old acquaintance be forgot,
    and old lang syne ?

    CHORUS:
    For auld lang syne, my dear,
    for auld lang syne,
    we’ll take a cup of kindness yet,
    for auld lang syne.

    And surely you’ll buy your pint cup !
    and surely I’ll buy mine !
    And we’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
    for auld lang syne.

    We two have run about the slopes,
    and picked the daisies fine ;
    But we’ve wandered many a weary foot,
    since auld lang syne.

    We two have paddled in the stream,
    from morning sun till dine† ;
    But seas between us broad have roared
    since auld lang syne.

    And there’s a hand my trusty friend !
    And give us a hand o’ thine !
    And we’ll take a right good-will draught,
    for auld lang syne.

    StillConfused (786412)

  989. Sorry. I am not paying close enough attention to all the players.

    Comment by slp

    “Alicia Pain” is the name/pseudonym attached to threats made to Patterico, Ace, and possibly others.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  990. Hey, look, a thing!

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  991. Adam Shriver was the guy Tommy Christopher credited with bringing details about Veronica (Marianela Alicea.)

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  992. I know I said I don’t plan to talk about it, but . . . well, I might. A bit.

    Like just now.

    But mostly not. Is what I meant.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  993. Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  994. Has anyone figured out where St. Louis Activist Hub got the name Jenny George? To me, if the name is correct, somebody who knows Jenny George threw her under the bus. Which would mean somebody knew what Jenny George was up to. Which leads to the idea that she could possibly have an accomplice. dun dun dun DUN!

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  995. Adam Shriver

    Is who on Twitter?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  996. This is all still quite rhetorical.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  997. On to 2000!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  998. Well that was rather anti-climatic. Shall we go for 2000?

    StillConfused (786412)

  999. So who the heck is Dan Wolfe anyway?

    Comment by CausticConservative

    I sure don’t know. Sometimes, it seems to me that he’s just a sensible person keeping his head down; other times, I wonder if he isn’t the perfect sock, the instigator of trouble and all our current evils.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1000. You can keep talking, I suppose, if you want. Just please don’t attribute opinions or theories to me, thanks.

    AArrgh! Does this mean no Zombie Apocalypse?

    Bill M (25d866)

  1001. Dammit, Janet! I missed it!

    Tutu (54ce64)

  1002. Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!

    Comment by crosspatch

    Bless you! I love it!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1003. I do like mysteries,but was hoping we would get the answers at 1,000.

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  1004. Second # 1016

    Bill M (25d866)

  1005. On to 2000!

    Comment by Patterico

    I’ve done my bit.

    My confusion is only slightly less, mostly because I’ve more or less given up.

    Oh, well, Happy 4th of July, Patterico!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1006. St. Louis Activist Hub posted on his blog a search he had done on 123 dot com. Using Jennifer George as search criteria. Vaguely, described how he found Jennifer George tied to 1/2011 “Jenay” starchild cache page revelation.

    On 123 dot com, there is a reference to “Jennifer George” associated with starchild111 accnt

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  1007. How can this caper ever be solved with Columbo dead?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1008. So, comments to 1000 was used as an incentive to what? Say nothing else is going to be written about any of this?

    Well, that’s teh suck.

    Susie Q (a6955c)

  1009. The issue with Starchild111 and how it could get from JG to a fake Nikki Reid is still a major item that needs furher discussion.

    Lee and Patteric need to continue to focus the Sockpuppets.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1010. Here’s the link where Shriver introduces the world to Jennifer George:

    http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2011/06/is-starchild111-actually-jennifer.html

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1011. “AArrgh! Does this mean no Zombie Apocalypse?”

    Keep the faith. Rumors has it that Mila already has it in the can, and Patrick will be showing a sneak preview after #2000

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  1012. People have abandoned my questions.

    Hint.

    I don’t know what any of it means, but I find it interesting.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1013. Enough for now. Gonna celebrate the 4th by participating in a 4th of July Parade and help turn more youngsters into vile Republicians. Always a worthwhile endeavor.

    Happy 4th to one and all.

    Bill M (25d866)

  1014. Patterico,

    Both you and Lee were so deep into the weeds on this twitter-fake-ID thing, reaching the 15th level of self-referentiality while simultaneously speaking of pseudo-pseudo-fake characters, all the while portentously telling us that something BIG was just around the corner – and the whole time, maybe 3 people knew what the hell you were talking about.

    And now you somewhat pompously act like we were the ones with the problem, and you’re moving on, but we can keep talking about it if we want. But it’s you and Lee who were the super-freaks on this, not us. Maybe you were adopting fake identities and threatening each other the whole time!

    Brian (01bc92)

  1015. Read through the activist hub and you see that Shriver has big issues with Dana Loesch, including a number of confrontations. Loesch works for Breitbart’s Big Journalism. I don’t know if Shriver has had any interaction with Breitbart, however.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1016. 1009, my guess would be stlactivisthub

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1017. And now you somewhat pompously act like we were the ones with the problem,

    Comment by Brian — 7/3/2011 @ 7:39 pm

    He says in a thread with a thousand comments….

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1018. @ Patterico,

    I haven’t abandoned your questions I’ve tweeted Brietbart to find out how he feels about Adam from St. Louis Activist Hub.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1019. Anyway, yesterday, someone tweeted an interesting
    link that showed that one of the girls, @starchild111, who throughout #weinergate was thought to be named “Nikki”, originally had the name “Jenay.”

    Who tweeted Shriver’s “interesting link?” I cannot access itwith the link provided. It does read like a set-up in hind sight.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1020. Shriver. 31. doctoral student. At 31! Still. Professional student. Wash U. Starting to make sense.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  1021. Does anyone else have posts disappear into the ether here from time to time? I’ve had two that after posting never showed up. Perhaps the comment section is feeling a little taxed today.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1022. 820 JeffM

    And I’m a fan of Lees and interact with him all the time, and while I’m not in fear of him, per se, I do consider how I’m going to approach him so as not to rub him the wrong way.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1023. poor lee stranahan
    he try to leave leftwing Hell
    keep pulling him back

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1024. http://danabusted.blogspot.com/search/label/Adam%20Shriver

    so yeah, looks like Shriver tweets under stlactivisthub

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1025. #1031

    That was me. “Anyway, yesterday, someone tweeted an interesting”

    I had sent the 1/2011 Jenay cache page to Stranahan. I guess STLA saw my tweet/mention to Stranahan. Or, Lee had nearly immediately posted the Jenay page find and STLA may have seen it that way. Don’t know for sure.

    When STLA made initial post on JG 123 dot com find. He tweeted it out and copied me on his tweet. He did because the original post included my actual handle name on post as submitting the Jenay cache page (which I did to Stranahan only).

    I had no idea of the 123 dot com reference before STLA has posted. When STLA updated his post, he redacted some names including my handle.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  1026. 825 Susie Q.

    I’m relatively new here and only know of Pat & Lee re: Weinergate revelations.

    I never got the liberal vibe from Lee on this story.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1027. So, comments to 1000 was used as an incentive to what? Say nothing else is going to be written about any of this?
    Well, that’s teh suck.

    Comment by Susie Q — 7/3/2011 @ 7:33 pm

    It does feel like a let-down but I think we need to keep in mind that both Patterico and Lee have agreed to stop blogging because “It’s in the hands of law enforcement at this point.” That strikes me as significant.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1028. So LE is now involved because of the threats I take it? Good. Hopefully they can help get to the bottom of this.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1029. We are practically to the point of this episode where someone emerges in handcuffs and exclaims, “And I’d have gotten away with it too. If it weren’t for you meddling kids!”

    That’s the payoff I’m looking for here. Anything else will be a disappointment.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1030. So LE is now involved because of the threats I take it?

    It is just impossible for people to write about this without making assumptions, isn’t it?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1031. 841 Crispian

    Well-said.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1032. 842. Jan.

    I could be mistaken, but I think Lee thinks all socks (all the Reids, Marianela, very probably Dan/Patriot, and possibly more characters according to lee) could be one person, the JG MA who called him, and the motive is she was into Weiner, but then turned on him. Ex-lover/crush revenge. JG MA started Starchild and kept it all along. It was never taken over by anyone else. She’s a very liberal person, who will play any part to get the ultimate revenge on RAW.

    Apologies to Lee if I got this wrong.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1033. “Come, Watson, come!” he cried. “The game is afoot.”

    slp (347e33)

  1034. 854 mikemadden59

    Great thinking.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1035. 1044 Koam

    “Ex-lover/crush revenge.”

    Of Huma or Anthony?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1036. Patterico, what else is worth law enforcement’s interest? I am not a lawyer, or anything like one, but I don’t see what else is of the vaguest interest.

    I know I could be missing something, and you may think I’m thick, but really, how is an internet hoax of much interest to the law?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1037. @ Patterico

    Good God man. Is this a comment section of a blog or are we all detectives/socks/and suspects? My statement was my own opinion of what I think is going on.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1038. Posted below the headline for the Overnight Open Thread over at Ace’s HQ:

    Got your nick, tracing your ip address…

    Perhaps closure is actually….close.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1039. @ Patterico

    My last post may have come out as harsh (not how I intended it). I just don’t get why everyone gets this feeling that everything we type is part of the story or whatever. I see it as commenting on a blog.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1040. Okay, I’ve compiled this to make it easier (for me, at least). Patterico asked the following questions, albeit rhetorically…

    1) Who first mentioned JG to Lee?

    #981 Johnny 5 is alive answers that it is St. Louis Activist Hub. #1020 az5thdstrct finds that they found this information through a people search website and #1023 CausticConservative gives the link to Adam Shriver’s post which explains his findings.

    2) Who first brought Marianela Alicea tweets to Tommy Chris?

    #1009 Patterico says Adam Shriver who is a blogger at St. Louis Activist Hub wrote the post for the link I gave above. Patterico gives further proof in #1025 that Adam is an author for St. Louis Activist Hub by linking here.

    3) What is the relationship of this person to Andrew Breitbart?

    #1028 CausticConservative determines a Dana Loesch connection. Loesch is the editor for Breitbart’s Big Journalism.

    #1033 and #1036 crosspatch gives links to the DanaBusted blog here and here, which show the animosity between Adam Shriver and Dana Loesch. Both the liberal Shriver and conservative Loesch are involved in St. Louis politics and are apparently rivals.

    My question: is Adam Shriver trustworthy or is he leading us down the rabbit hole? I can see how this would fit with the possibilities Patterico outlined in this blog post.

    rogerthat (f5aad4)

  1041. IP address traces often don’t mean much these days.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1042. Dianna,

    You’re just going to have to trust me.

    Patterico (03ef17)

  1043. You’re just going to have to trust me.

    Comment by Patterico

    To comment 2,000 and beyond, I guess.

    I’m curious. Very, very curious.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1044. 957, 989.

    Very interesting, along my way of thinking. I’m very critical of timing of pregnancy news, plus the ho-hum reaction for a young bride (with strong Muslim upbringing) subjected to international humiliation. I wouldn’t be shopping with him or eating with him. And I wouldn’t accept those crummy, ugly flowers. Would anyone but me be not suprised if the Mrs. returned from her trip to the spa sans baby? Very evil thought, but I wouldn’t put anything past the Clintons, et. al.

    gobblemom (706d9f)

  1045. “Where’s the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!

    Comment by crosspatch”

    You mean it wasn’t as good for you as it was for me?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1046. “My question: is Adam Shriver trustworthy or is he leading us down the rabbit hole.”

    rogerthat – I don’t know anything about rabbit holes, but a quick glance at the absolute bilge and propaganda that fills his blog posts shows he is not trustworthy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1047. 1057 – Well, let me just say that I didn’t need a cigarette after.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1048. “So, comments to 1000 was used as an incentive to what?”

    Susie Q – I got a new toaster. Didn’t you register for a prize?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1049. 1058 daleyrocks:

    What disturbs me more than the content of the postings is the people who follow him. I mean, are some of these people *really* interested in that vitriol?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1050. 1008 J5A

    The name Jennifer George appears on 123people.com search tool with the twitter nickname “@starchild111”

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1051. Okay, so Adam Shiver did those & is antagonistic to Andrew Brietbart. What does it mean? Also how the hell did Shriver get Alicea’s DMs anyway?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  1052. Hmm, Charles Johnson seems to pop up a lot as I dig around.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1053. I believe someone got the screenshot out of Stack’s yFrog account, where he had placed them by mistake.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1054. Back to the initial propositions:

    1. The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer.

    2. There really was a person who threatened the real Jennifer George, and that person pretended to be Lee Stranahan.

    3. That person hates Lee, and Breitbart.

    Along with 200,000 other people, Adam Shriver fits items 2 and 3.

    slp (347e33)

  1055. Which of those 200,000 other people first ID’d Jennifer George as the owner of the starchild111 account, and tipped off Tommy Christopher as to alleged DMs from Weiner to Nikki Reid (per Marianela Alicea DMs to Mike Stack).

    The answer is zero of those 200,000 people.

    But thanks for posing the question so fairly!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1056. Rauhauser’s post calling me a “Dishonest DA” is no longer available to anyone without permission.

    Good thing I screenshotted the whole thing before he took it out of public view.

    Hi, Neal!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1057. “But thanks for posing the question so fairly!”

    Hey, slp has been nothing if not fair in helping to achieve the 1,000 comment goal if you ignore the content of the comments.

    “Sorry. I am not paying close enough attention to all the players.

    Comment by slp”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1058. Other than koam at 826 and SarahW at 680 no one else picked up on my questions in 676.
    I will do a more in depth analysis if anyone is interested. (Talking about internal as opposed to external sock puppets.)

    Have Blue (dbbcd4)

  1059. “Along with 200,000 other people, Adam Shriver fits items 2 and 3.”

    slp – I think Lee claims to get along well with Shriver, contradicting your #2.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1060. Is is POSSIBLE that once conservatives found out about Weiner’s inappropriate sexual comments with adult females (long before it was published) that someone on the right tried to set Weiner up to show that he would ALSO do the same with underage females and created fake underage girl or girls?

    I mean it wouldn’t be a stretch.

    quickquestion (a025dd)

  1061. 1020 Az

    123people.com
    and the image he used was from
    123people.fr, though I don’t know why the French site’s screencap was used.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1062. “Sorry. I am not paying close enough attention to all the players.

    Comment by slp”

    Comment by daleyrocks — 7/3/2011 @ 11:27 pm

    I have been following Weinergate fairly closely, but doing my comments from memory without having made any charts or notes.

    At the time of the post, I recalled Alicia Pain had made threats and assumed that she was part of the Nikki Reid sock puppet cabal.

    I am eagerly waiting for Patterico to lay out the facts and the supporting evidence.

    slp (347e33)

  1063. Comment by daleyrocks — 7/3/2011 @ 11:29 pm

    Just because Lee claims to get along well with Shriver, does not exclude Shriver from being the person who threatened the real Jennifer George and pretended to be Lee Stranahan.

    Since Lee has been posting Weinergate stories on the Bigs, it may be that Shriver has taken Lee off his good guy list.

    slp (347e33)

  1064. So what is the other Jennnifer E George ( the one that did NOT call Lee) doing tracking Jennifer Preston’s twitter cleanup using searchtastic.com?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1065. “Just because Lee claims to get along well with Shriver, does not exclude Shriver from being the person who threatened the real Jennifer George and pretended to be Lee Stranahan.”

    No sh*t?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1066. Patterico,

    Yes, for example the goatsred aka Mike’s yFrog link was visible in a screen cap that was posted in a couple of blogs early in the Weinergate story.

    It was very easy to find the “real” names for Betty / Veronica and even Ethel.

    It even happened yesterday over on Lee’s blog where a screen shot was posted that showed Ethel’s twitter name before it was redacted on his blog post.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1067. 1079 1081 slp daleyrocks

    IIRC, Lee clearly states that he and Adam Shriver do not like each other at all. But Lee is proud not to let that fact get in the way of reporting on info. He doesn’t not listen to people just because he doesn’t like them.

    Of course this was in audio somewhere on BTR, not written up. Thanks, Lee.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1068. “He doesn’t not listen to people just because he doesn’t like them.”

    koam @wittier – He also claims he doesn’t hold grudges, likes old people and puppies.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1069. Wittier,

    Jennifer George aka JG first came up based on a 123.com search and a refernce to Jennifer George and Starchild111 just like was posted.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1070. 1084 daleyrocks

    Yes, but in this case what I wrote is what Lee said and did.

    The implication is that perhaps his unbiased policy didn’t serve him well in this case?

    Lesson: If you know someone’s an a*#*##, maybe don’t listen to them?

    Not that I really understand the insinuations about what STLAH posted from 123people and if it’s right or wrong.

    We know “Jenay” was the name on @starchild111 in its earlier days.

    Question: When did the full name Jennifer George first come up?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1071. It was posted on June 19 and that is what lead to everyone being an internet detective and reaching out to any and all Jen… Georges that they could find.

    This led to the Jennifer E George in CA being contacted by many individuals so she started posting the communictions.

    One or more Jennifer Georges contacted St. Louis Activist Hub and asked for their data to be removed from the blog.

    Excuse me could you please provide a contact number? I am Jennifer George from Los Angeles and I am getting calls now because of your blog. I’d like you to take this down. I have nothing to do with your ridiculous story. I will be calling the police as I am getting threats due to this. What is your number?

    June 19, 2011 5:11 PM

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1072. 1085. Joe

    Wittier,

    Jennifer George aka JG first came up based on a 123.com search and a refernce to Jennifer George and Starchild111 just like was posted.

    Joe

    Comment by Joe Smith — 7/4/2011 @ 1:09 am

    That’s different from what I remember.

    We had the name “Jenay” and “@starchild111”

    I don’t recall having the name “Jennifer George”

    But at the STLAH post, Adam Shriver says he learned of the name “Jenay” and then revisited some search results.

    Anyway, yesterday, someone tweeted an interesting
    link that showed that one of the girls, @starchild111, who throughout #weinergate was thought to be named “Nikki”, originally had the name “Jenay.”

    This prompted me to reexamine some of the search results for @starchild, and it appears that the account @starchild111 is actually associated with the name “Jennifer George”

    http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2011/06/is-starchild111-actually-jennifer.html

    The example of a search he posts from 123people is a search for “Jennifer George” on the UK site. He also attaches a screen capture of the search results for “Jennifer George” from the French version of 123people. In the image, you can read the URL which shows that he searched for “Jennifer George”

    http://www.123people.co.uk/s/jennifer+george

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-d57nb8yrDqM/Tf5qieK4CdI/AAAAAAAACOo/oyflKI4PUOg/s1600/jennifergeorge.png

    So the search is “backwards.”

    I’m asking where the name Jennifer George came from in the first place.

    If he had searched for “Jenay” and “@starchild111” and the result was “Jennifer George” I would understand the direction of the information flow.

    But he didn’t do that. And I can’t get to “Jennifer George” as a result by searching for “Jenay” and/or “starchild” or “starchild111”

    He started with the name Jennifer George.

    Where did the name Jennifer George first come from?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1073. I didn’t realize the name Jenay was short for Jennifer either. I thought Jen was short for Jennifer.

    Hopefully LE can get to the bottom of this at some point. I guess we’ll find out when the search for the threat makers reaches it’s conclusion. Have a great Independence Day everyone!

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1074. I figured out a path to the 123people results without knowing the full name “Jennifer George”

    We knew “@starchild111” and “Jenay”

    Make the guess that “Jenay” is a “Jennifer.”

    Google “@starchild111 Jennifer” and, to be fair, set the search dates to end 06/18/2011, the day before we think the Jennifer George name went public (so that search is hopefully not influenced by our chatter, post-STLAH)

    I got to http://www.123people.de/s/george+jennifer

    the German site for 123people

    If you don’t put the date params in, you can get to the UK 123people site for the search for “Jennifer George”

    Note that I didn’t use the name “George” in my Google searches (I “didn’t know George” and I guessed “Jennifer” from “Jenay”), but that searching for “@starchild111 Jennifer” took me to 123people pages as if I had searched for “Jennifer George”.

    And this fits with what I now recall from that day.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1075. So, I’m guessing that STLAH made the same guess that I had to. You have to drop Jenay and guess Jennifer to get to Jennifer George in 123people by way of Google. STLAH just didn’t say what he’d done (at least in the version shown as of today…maybe he did in an earlier version).

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1076. Witter,

    It started with the Jenay name attached to @Starchild111. I think we then had the George part based on a Jenay George in FB which when entered in Google, Google offered a possible search of Jenny George.

    Once you entered Jenny George, you also got results of Jennifer George and then when you add UCLA you got JG for Los Angeles who everyone started emailing….

    That also resulted in the Jennifer George and Starchild111 hits in 123people.ca, 123people.uk, 13people.fr…. yet another rabbit hole looking for the sockpuppets.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1077. If you look at the time stamps, I think you will see that Adam got his clue from this site, Patterico.com.

    That was another very busy weekend.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1078. Opps, forgot to mention that UCLA clue came from the follow of the UCLA writting group by the @Starchild111 twitter id that showed the Jenay name.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1079. Koam , that is good lead to trace down.

    It would be very important to know how and when 123people search engine associated the name Jennifer George with the starchild111 twitter.

    Was it a slip up by the creator of the account?

    That would support lee’s theory

    Was it injected by a hoaxer in some way?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  1080. 1092 Joe

    Your “George” appears without explanation. You don’t say where “Jenay George” in facebook comes from.

    I laid it out in 1090.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1081. 1095 TT.

    If Jennifer George created @starchild111 on facebook, as the caller Jennifer George from MA says, then it’s not much of a mystery. I’d expect some kind of internet search to find that info if the 2 names were associated in the past. We don’t have cached screen caps, but maybe the account was labeled “Jennifer George” prior to it being labeled “Jenay”.

    A web crawler at some previous time might have taken every twitter name it could find and associate each with a first & last name on the account and made a note of it.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1082. Hai Guyz! What’s happening on this thread?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  1083. “What’s happening on this thread?”

    Uh, well, it looks like koam @wittier does not sleep. AT ALL.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  1084. az5thdstrct, I came across your work. Highly respected.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1085. 1099. Anita Busch

    Tell me about it.

    Are you following on Twitter?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1086. Jim, I think it’s dead.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  1087. #1102 Mdr

    Don’t count on it. Once people wake up and have their 2nd cup of coffee, those neurons and Google-searches will be firing on all cylinders.

    Suppositions! Assumptions! Allegations! Implications! Inferences! Sly remarks! Knowing winks!

    Ooh boy, there will be fireworks on this thread, I assure you!

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  1088. The “Jenay” cache is old. Wouldn’t that tend to point to an old association of a Jennifer with the starchild111 account? – I realize that is not dispositive, but it is suggestive.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1089. 1092, that’s exactly right.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1090. “Hai Guyz! What’s happening on this thread?”

    Pious Agnostic – G’day. Happy 4th!

    What’s happening? Pushing for 2,000 comments.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1091. 1105. SarahW

    1090 explains where “George” came from using Google search.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1092. “If you look at the time stamps, I think you will see that Adam got his clue from this site, Patterico.com.”

    Joe Smith – Shriver’s post was on 6/19.

    Stranahan’s BTR on Betty and Veronica Mystery solved was on 6/20.

    I don’t know the date az5thdstrct claims to have tweeted his key info to Lee which he believe Shriver used to write his post.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1093. Do me a favor? Someone please tell me: Beyond all the sock puppetry, fake accounts, death threats and whatever else may or may not have been going on…

    What was the point? Who was the target?

    oldirishpig (e7adde)

  1094. 1109. oldirishpig

    Hard to say, but I still think that the target could have been #bornfreecrew directly, and right-leaning journalism, indirectly.

    Several people see Weiner being cyberstalked (to put a bad spin on it) or observed (to neutralize) as he actively engages with attractive women who are his political fans online.

    Those who empathize with Weiner see this as right-wing dirty tricks against a guy on their side. So they create a sting operation. Create some girls with whom Weiner can interact — of course he won’t do really anything wrong with them, these people think. But we know he’s being watched and it will be noticed if he “follows” them, etc. Then we’ll trump it up to make it look like maybe he’s crossed the line.

    The evil right-wingers will seize on that and publicize it by going to Fox or Brietbart, Bloggers or other outlets. Then, after the media have committed to it, we’ll whisper to someont to reveal that the interaction was harmless (embarrassment #1) and that the girls weren’t real (embarrassment #2). Making #bornfreecrew and any media that picked up the story look like total idiots who were persecuting the innocent Weiner.

    The thing no one bet on was that Weiner was way more guilty than anyone could have guessed…and he mistakenly sent that pic to everyone.

    And that’s just one theory. I’m not saying its true.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1095. koam @wittier

    That was me. “Anyway, yesterday, someone tweeted an interesting”

    I had sent the 1/2011 Jenay cache page to Stranahan. I guess STLA saw my tweet/mention to Stranahan. Or, Lee had nearly immediately posted the Jenay page find and STLA may have seen it that way. Don’t know for sure.

    “When STLA made initial post on JG 123 dot com find. He tweeted it out and copied me on his tweet. He did because the original post included my actual handle name on post as submitting the Jenay cache page (which I did to Stranahan only).

    I had no idea of the 123 dot com reference before STLA has posted. When STLA updated his post, he redacted some names including my handle.

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 7/3/2011 @ 7:59 pm”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1096. Open quotes were mine and in wrong place in 1112.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1097. koam @1111 – That is my theory. The wild card was nobody counted on Weiner self-destructing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1098. 1109 That is the mystery that identifying the real actor(s) might resolve.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1099. “That is the mystery that identifying the real actor(s) might resolve.”

    SarahW – I have information that would help crack that mystery wide open, but sacred honor prevents me from revealing it.

    I just wanted to say that, you know, to see how it felt. It makes me feel like a BLOG GOD, but not a Capital J journalist.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1100. 1114 daleyrocks

    And that “meddling” Gennette, who was watching the watchers and suspicious of Nikki, tipping off Weiner, while lying to Nikki & pretending to be her pal. She may have inadvertently helped to botch a plan by those who actually were on her side, because she suspected they might have been working for the other side.

    Why was Gennette also the intended target of the DM dic pic that went out as a public tweet instead? Just ironic? What could have been going on there?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1101. Justsayin, you seem to be willfully dishonest.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1102. And happy Independence Day, everyone.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1103. Happy independence day, all, alright can we move onto another conspiracy, th rabbit chased the gopher into the tunnels under the NY subway

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  1104. I came on to check if the 1000 was reached and what the answers to Weinergate were. Reread and saw that I had made an assumption that at 1000 I was going to get something. (Good lesson about assuming) Thanks for the toaster, LOL!! Have the last documents been dumped? I haven’t found them. Anyway here is my part towards the 2000 and above. Thank you Patterico for your continued work, I must say that I agree with you about your commentors. Time to get the bbq up and running, so to all Happy Independence Day!!!!

    freedom_costs (51c21c)

  1105. Was there even a “bornFreecrew” to meddle with before the Weiner-watching began, at Patriots instigtion?

    SarahW (af7312)

  1106. Obviously this whole law enforcement thing is just misdirection by Pat and Lee. They’ve been tag-teaming with different theories designed to get the various shadowy players sucked in – you know, the old good cop, bad cop routine – and now they’re playing up the LE angle to scare the Reds into damaging counter moves. I fully expect the conspiracy to break under the pressure.

    One of the puppeteer’s multiple personalities will turn state’s evidence.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1107. 1.) I still want to know what Tommy Christopher knows about Weinergate.

    2.) I still want to know why Tommy Christopher was “the chosen”.

    3.) I still want to know who chose him and how the contacts really worked or were set up for him.

    4.) I still want to know how his “collaboration” with NYT Jen came about, and when, and why her.

    5.) I still want to know why TC doesn’t outwardly appear to mind having been punked, or be pissed about it, or be very curious about it. (Which is why I kind of bet he already knows most of the answers –and truth– behind items 2,3, 4,and 5.)

    And, friends, that is why I believe the rest of the world gaining knowledge of the full answer to #1 would be quite useful. Tommy’s a real person–a public person. Obviously he had to have been interacting with at least one other real person who posed as and represented other (fake) people in order for him to have multiple communications with those fakes. What does TC know and when did he know it?

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1108. I have nevar seen Jenay used as an alternative for Jennifer. More likely an alternative of Janae.

    Then again, I suppose someone with half a brain could pronounce Jenna as “jen – ay”.

    Jenay \j(e)-
    nay\ as a girl’s name is a variant of Janae (American). See Janae for more on meaning of Jenay.

    The baby name Jenay sounds like Jenny, Jena, Jennay, Jenai, Jenae, Jeanay, Janay and Jonay. Other similar baby names are Denay, Jency and Renay.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1109. Forrest Gump pronounced Jenny as Jenay, did he not?

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1110. So Jennay is quite an unrelated name to Jennifer.

    Janae \j(a)-nae\ as a girl’s name is pronounced ja-NAY. It is of American origin. A favored contemporary variant of Jan, Jane or Jean. Janai is also a Biblical male name with the meaning “God has answered”.

    Janae has 22 variant forms: Janaea, Janaeh, Janah, Janai, Janais, Janay, Janaya, Janaye, Janea, Jannae, Jeanae, Jeanay, Jeanay, Jenae, Jenai, Jenay, Jenee, Jennae, Jennay, Jennaya, Jinae and Jinnea.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1111. Happy Independence Day to you and yours

    RR

    Reaganite Republican (c90bca)

  1112. 1126 elissa

    That’s one thing I was thinking about a week ago. Someone mispronouncing someone’s name. That would connect back to the whole Jenna/Nikki porn thing. (Jenna Jameson and Nikki Tyler who were friends and lived together for a while).

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1113. 1111, except, Patriot fomented that Weiner-watching activity, and by my observations “Patriot” has long revealed his persona is as phony as any of the socks.

    The Nikki sock and Patriot socks are in league if not the same person.

    Why would THAT be so? I guess this matters, as I asked before: was there even a “bornFreecrew” to meddle with before the Weiner-watching began?

    Punking a pack of right-wing twitterers might be amusement enough for some, but it’s playing with fire to ignite a scandal about a specific politician when his bad habits are real and supsected if not known. It would draw down attention, unflattering attention on Weiner and potentially draw out women like Broussard and the Vegas chick and lord knows who else, but even more dangerous, his penchant for chatting up sweet young things (to the exclusions of other followers and fans) who idolize him, whom he has no business talking to privately except in the most general way.

    One inference that can be drawn from that high risk scenario is that the hoaxer(s) wanted attention drawn to Weiner’s habits.

    This might be to immunize Weiner against such attention by inventing a scandal that is later to be discredited. But that still seems incredibly risking and not worth the benefit of making Breitbart ridiculous, or someone like Mike Stack.

    What is more likely in my view is that the hoaxer wished attention to be focused on his bad habits, to GET THE STORY OUT.

    This could be a scheme of political enemies (even some from his own party)or a kind of personal revenge, jealousy or anger about another follower (Ginger lee has a stalker, BTW) or a way of some random Weiner sextress making her story/pics gain value for sale, or otherwise enriching or promoting its teller. And I’m sure there are motives for getting the story out I have not considered.
    ********

    The hoaxer(s) clearly had some plan develop for watching Weiner and gaining access to him and his doings through his other female followers – attempts to befriend and obtain an exchange of confidences.

    I’m thinking the story was offered to Breitbart less to punk him, than in the misguided notion he would publish anything, in hopes he would bite, and generate interest in Weiner’s habits.

    After all, everything the Marianela sock offered Stack really existed and was actually in the sock’s possession.

    When Breitbart passed, they went to Tommy to get an untrue story about Breitbart out. I see a deliberate attempt to game Tommy the way they thought they would game Breitbart – offer him a story he couldn’t refuse, that is exactly what he would believe and want to publish.

    The Tommy approach was a second try – this was post Breitbart saying “thanks but no thanks.”
    The nikki sock then gets caught in spectacular lie about the Breitbart is making us lie angle – and backs off that story in full reverse, though all that Marieanela sock had offered Stack was available.

    By this time Weiners pic has made his habits famous, the now more valuable stories of other women emerge, and Weiner’s contact with other minors is very helpfully being put forward by the Reidsocks.

    Mission accomplished?

    Suspicion is also thrown Mike Stack’s way, as potential penis pic hacker – deliberately by the socks. Is this pure misdirection resulting from the sock(s)’ fear of being caught out as Weiner’s exposer?

    A plan to punk anyone possible to punk is a hallmark of Anonymous-style operations. Is that the explanation for seemingly contrary goals –

    Perhaps this was a directed attack at Breitbart it failed in some ways and got out of hand, and switched them to simply yanking people around for lulz? I am not sure I can articulate why but I’m actually thinking NO on that.

    Is “get the story out, by any means necessary, without being identified” the goal? <– this one I am partial to.

    Did Anonymous-types simply join in the afterparty?

    This is a light entertainment for me at this point. It's, as I told Patrick, a guilty pleasure, my Jersey Shore.

    No matter who or why the motives, Weiner got caught being who he really is and that can't be undone. Even people who wold rather support him, in their hearts of hearts, know he would always be a looming liability to his own friends and own party. He's creepy and immature on his good days.

    So if it was a Breitbart sting, fail.
    If it was a get paid for my own pictures scam – win
    If it was an "expose Weiner" plot – win
    If it was screw with people plan, win win win.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1114. Forrest Gump pronounced Jenny as Jenay, did he not?

    Comment by elissa — 7/4/2011 @ 10:02 am

    That is what I thought too. In fact, that was my first impression, that “Jenay” was from Forrest Gump, so Jenay = Jenny = Jennifer didn’t bother me one bit.

    Does this have any significance? I have to imaging not. I could see a girl growing up, her friends calling her “Jenay” from the movie, and her using that as a Twitter handle, no problem.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  1115. Happy Birthday, USA!

    PatAZ (efd43b)

  1116. The Forest Gump thing would have another interesting twist for someone trying to burn Weiner (stupid is as stupid does).

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1117. I tweeted Jenay cache on 6/18
    STLA hub post 6/19

    http://twitter.com/#!/az5thdstrct/status/82222113502666752

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  1118. #1134

    While I can see your tweet, the link in the tweet comes up “forbidden” for me.

    http://bit.ly/lMRuCE

    Anybody else?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  1119. Patterico, my impression of shanahan was that he was inexperienced. He could do with a class in logic and also on how to keep personal and public opinions separate in his mind. A lot of his schtick is very high standards for other people, very low standards for himself.

    jd2 (cdceb5)

  1120. 1124 elissa

    Do you think JP / NYT told TC to shut it, like Lee was told?

    Or do you think whatever higher power that got JP spooked (unless that was an act) also got to Colby / Tommy?

    Do they send people in to deliver a “national security” or other type of hush order?

    Total conjecture, of course.

    But remember the takeaway from the blowup between Lee and JP.

    My post to Lee from July 1
    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-gosh-what-the-heck-happened#comment-6300

    Lee,

    I’m listening to your extended BTR show from last night and have reached a point of confusion on what you’re saying that Preston’s position on why to not pursue the person behind the call you received from Jen George in Boston and who Preston has talked to several times:

    1) You said earlier that Preston said that Prof Lew Hunter’s site may be a phony and the prof may have punked Preston/you.

    – You disagree. You think Hunter is real and was truthful.

    2) You said last night that Preston said that Jen George in Boston’s @startchild111 twitter was hacked so that JG is not responsible for the Weiner activity of Nikki. Preston: “Lee there’s nothing to tie JG into that Nikki Reid account.”

    – You disagree. (I don’t think Pru proved that the account was hacked or not hacked. Either could be the case) but you say it was not hacked. You say that Preston buys JG’s story that the account was hacked, “absolutely, hook,line and sinker.”

    So in case 1) you say Preston is saying that JG’s evidence (the prof) is fake….so Preston won’t pursue (this goes too deep, she warns you)

    And in case 2) you say Preston is saying that JG’s story is true.

    So I don’t understand how you say Preston both incorrectly disbelieves JG’s story and simultaneously incorrectly believe’s JG’s story.

    Isn’t that a bit messed up?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1121. So in case 1) you say Preston is saying that JG’s evidence (the prof) is fake….so Preston won’t pursue (this goes too deep, she warns you)

    And in case 2) you say Preston is saying that JG’s story is true.

    So I don’t understand how you say Preston both incorrectly disbelieves JG’s story and simultaneously incorrectly believe’s JG’s story.

    Isn’t that a bit messed up?

    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/4/2011 @ 10:30 am

    That says more about JP than Lee.

    Mistrusting Lew H but trusting the rest of JG:s story is crazy, his site has been online for years. JP could also check his ID easily, if she wanted to.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  1122. My Forrest Gump comment above was purely pop culture observation, BTW. I personally have a singular disinterest in the whole Jenny Jenay angle.

    That said, one of the interesting observations about human psychology that can be made about the various threads (Patterico and Stranahan and Ace and Pru) on Weinergate is how different commenters and theorists latch on to the particular aspects of the hunt that they find particularly intriguing or to which their education/training points them as being the more relevant.

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1123. #1134

    Sometime over the last week or so. Yahoo “blocked” that 1/2011 Jenay cache page.

    If you look at multiple postings of the Jenay cache you can see it came from Yahoo top right corner. Including STLA post

    screencap he used:
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kN06BxQQIqo/Tf5cIF3BUII/AAAAAAAACOQ/_oOav941hF0/s1600/jenay.png

    Don’t know why Yahoo “blocked”.

    But at time I also found on Bing and had resumbitted this last week to Stranahan:

    So here you go.

    http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=http://twitter.com/starchild111&d=4738964055069054&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=103056d3,77902c9f

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  1124. Thing is, someone relaying information verbally might find the information at the receiving end different from information relayed in written format. Same holds for someone trying to recall something from deep in the past (e.g. “dang, what was that actresses name … it was jen-something … Jenay, yeah, that must be it”)

    Other thing is, when people pick aliases, they often pick names close to their own or maybe with the same initials as their own. So a Jennifer picking a Jenay might not be so unusual. But then changing it to Nikki is kindof unusual. Why that particular name? That’s when I remembered the Jenna / Nikki connection and thought maybe someone was playing off that, considering the whole porn star angle going on with one of Weiners follows.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1125. FYI, this from the Associated Press:

    Google Inc. has temporarily shut down a search engine feature that allows users to find real-time updates from Twitter, Facebook, FriendFeed and other social networking sites.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1126. Crosspatch, how come?

    Sarahw (af7312)

  1127. “By this time Weiners pic has made his habits famous, the now more valuable stories of other women emerge, and Weiner’s contact with other minors is very helpfully being put forward by the Reidsocks.”

    SarahW – I’m a little confused on the dates and timing you are referring to here, particularly with respect to the Reidsocks providing information before or after Weiner fesses up to tweeting his meat, which I view as the game changer and a signal for a jail break for all involved.

    We’ve got the dic pic late on 5/27.
    Betty’s mom strident defense on 6/3
    6/6 Weiner press conference about tweeting his meat
    6/8 X-Rated Weiner picture leaked.
    6/11 N.Y. Post publishes story saying Ethels mom says Weiner only sent two emails.
    6/11 Patterico publishes post saying Weiner sent Ethel five emails.

    Hopefully I got the above right.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1128. SarahW,

    I appreciate the theorizing as I think it could be helpful to have smart people like you talking about the possibilities.

    It seems pretty obvious to me that whoever Wolfe is, he was trying to get the story out about Weiner.

    If Reid is Wolfe — and I take no position on this — he was also against Weiner from the beginning and posed as pro-Weiner. If Reid is not Wolfe, Reid could have been a) basically what he says or b) part of a punk Breitbart and Wolfe operation or c) Lord knows what else.

    Alicia Pain and any other threateners/criminals may or may not be the same people. Frankly, that’s all I care about.

    The key to the interface between those two groups are the alleged threats coming from Lee. Lee says the only possibility is that she made them up. I say maybe the Alicia Pain hackers and punkers impersonated Lee to JG. There is evidence supporting that theory beyond what we have discussed.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1129. ==Comment by koam @wittier — 7/4/2011 @ 10:30 am==

    Quite honestly I have absolutely no conjecture to offer– or deeper thoughts about the TC/NYT thing beyond the series of questions I posted @1124. These questions have been plaguing me because I have felt the initial Mediaite story TC published was off in several respects and that much about his “followup” and other behavior since then has been rather strange. For someone, a journalist, who seems to have been purposely inserted into the story and then seemingly removed from it as opposed to reporting it, Tommy appears to be getting a pass from appropriate levels of scrutiny for some reason.

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1130. 1141 if one goes with the frustrated screenwriter angle, Nikki wasn’t meant be an alias, so much as a distinctly drawn character.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  1131. Hi Neal!

    Ticks are teh suck, literally.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1132. I am of the opinion JG caller, JG MA & Alicia Pain are all the same person & unrelated to Weinergate. Just a crank latching on for attention. I thought the call to Lee & Preston by JG was a punk job & told them so at the time.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  1133. 1145 Patrick

    Leads me to (continue to) think that:
    – JG MA is real person.
    – JG MA started @starchild111.
    – JG MA was broadly truthful in call to Lee.
    – Is generally who she says she is
    – Did get scary calls
    – Was genuinely uninvolved in case
    – Someone else took over @starchild111 at a later time & created Nikki.
    – JG MA went to BPD in good faith.

    But what of the contention that Lee put out that the JG MA report was being dismissed?

    – I understand if Lee has been exonerated (good) but BPD wouldn’t close case just because caller wasn’t Lee or Lee-related if there still were scary calls to JG MA.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1134. Sarahw, apparently so they can get it somehow integrated into Google+ is the speculation.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1135. In her circle of friends it’s very likely there was more than one “Jennifer” since it’s such a common name.

    Hence she acquired a nickname for whatever crazy reason you get a nickname. Maybe Gump reference, maybe her middle initial is A.

    All I know is when I saw “Jenay” I immediately thought “Jennifer”.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1136. Contentions that Lee puts out are worth the documentary evidence backing them up.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1137. As far as the “Punking Breitbart” rationale goes, keep in mind that when PatriotUSA76 saw Weiner’s May 27 tweet, Patriot retweeted it to many media outlets, including Breitbart, Politico, Fox News, New York Post, Glenn Beck, and the Huffington Post.

    Breitbart and his editors were the ones to respond, no doubt in part because they already had info from an intermediary of Meagan Broussard that had established that Weiner was sexting women via social networks. (On one of Stranahan’s radio shows, Breitbart himself stated that he’d been approached by this intermediary on May 18.)

    Greg (bc8186)

  1138. To paraphrase Mark Twain, the difference between conjecture and reality is that conjecture must make sense.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1139. The thing that seems weird is the whole going under cover with the Nikki thing and the swiping of pictures to create a false personna.

    That is my primary curiosity.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1140. As far as the Jenay = Jenny goes I’m just pointing out assumptions that I initially just accepted but now wonder about because on closer inspection they don’t make sense.

    @ az5thdistrc I see you keep saying you were the one who initially tracked down the starchild111 account? So you actually led St Louis Activist Hub and Stranahan to that tid bit?

    If that’s the case and from what I’ve seen here and on Lee’s BTR show that az5thdistrc is a trusted conservative blogger, then who initially came up with the name is solved. So someone from our team came up with the name Jennifer George?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1141. 1154 Greg
    Breitbart was already on the Weiner is a perv thing..but Weiner himself made it a big news story, all on his own, that very night. Weiner, a US Concressman, said his facebook / twitter accounts had been hacked and someone else had done bad things with his account.

    That is news no matter whether Weiner ever did a pervy thing in his life or not. Congressman’s accounts hacked is a big news story by any measure.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1142. 1157 J5A

    AZ correctly stated a number of times that he tweeted the image of the old starchild cached page with the name “Jenay” on it to Lee.

    That AZ tweet was a step on the way to finding the name “Jennifer George”. AZ did not find the name “Jennifer George”. As far aw we know, STLAH found that name as described above and as detailed in 1090.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1143. 1157 J5A

    STLAH is a hard-core lefty and he came up with the full name Jennifer George, as far as we know, using Google and a clue courtesy of AZ via Lee. STLAH also would have had to guess that Jenay stood for Jennifer and have used Jennifer @starchild111 in his google search. See 1090.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1144. Is there any possibility that Lee is a puppet of Neals? Sorta feels like a disinformation game is going on with Lee at this point. Lee’s stuff just isn’t holding up at this point. Why did it start to diverge so much from Patterico’s?

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  1145. So Jennifer George uses the starchild111 twitter account to create the Nikki person and begins to attempt to befriend follows of Weiner. But apparently just a young female followers who had been openly “flirty”. I haven’t seen anyone say that starchild111 ever contacted any male follows of Weiner.

    I mean, it isn’t like I have a lot of twitter accounts lying around that I use for creating false personnae but I suppose I shouldn’t project my thought processes onto other people.

    So. this starchild111 is some sort of a throwaway twitter account. Just how many accounts does Jennifer have? Or better, maybe Jennifer did create the account but maybe “donated” it to someone else to use (lesbian mafia?). She doesn’t deny owning the account, but she has never said she sent any of those tweets either.

    Someone who engages in crap like this often would need a lot of “cut out” twitter accounts they either create themselves or that they get other people to create for them and give to them.

    Just too weird.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1146. 1150 1145

    If what I’ve laid out above is remotely correct, then these are some really evil socks because they not only would have stolen an innocent person’s twitter account to conduct this fraud, but later would have allegedly called her with death threats and simultaneously tried to implicate a prominent blogger as the reported maker of the calls.

    On top of that the Alicia Pain threats to other bloggers, and reported threats to Ginger Lee, and perhaps others who haven’t gone public ….all of which we haven’t even gone deep on yet.

    We can see why people are getting more grave in tone about this at times.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1147. 1163

    I left out Mike as one who received a threat.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1148. – Someone else took over @starchild111 at a later time & created Nikki.

    I honestly do not understand how anyone can subscribe to this theory.

    1) Why not just create an account from scratch?

    2) Requires the unlikely guessing of the account password.

    3) Most importantly, it requires that the original account owner ignores the email that Twitter sends to the formerly registered email address warning them that their email address has changed!

    It looks like this and I have tested it:

    Hi, xxx

    You recently changed the email address associated with your Twitter account (@yyy).

    To confirm your new contact email, please follow the link in the confirmation message sent to that address.

    If you did not request this change and believe your Twitter account has been compromised, contact Twitter support by clicking this link: http://support.twitter.com/articles/31796-my-account-is-compromised-hacked

    The Twitter Team

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1149. Well, if we’re all going to talk about what we think instead of what we know, here’s what I think:

    1. The bornfreecrew and Dan Wolfe were a group of people, probably conservatives, who were alarmed at what they saw Weiner doing and concerned about the young girls he might be contacting. Wolfe disappeared because he wanted to avoid publicity and attention after Weinergate broke.

    2. I’m leaning toward believing John Reid, family and friend (Veronica and Betty) are real. Alternatively, if they aren’t, they are liberals (see below) who wanted to punk Breitbart, Lee because he helped Breitbart with Pigford, and any other conservative bloggers or journalists who attacked Weiner.

    3. Gennette C is real and dedicated to helping Weiner.

    4. The other women who came forward publicly are real, and they have generally made their feelings and allegiances known. Ethel is also real. The only question mark for me is Jennifer George.

    5. Most if not all of the other characters are fakes — I’ll call them sockpuppets — whose goal is targeting Breitbart and conservatives who support him. The sockpuppets chose to involve themselves in the Weiner controversy because he was their outspoken political hero. Not only did they truly believe Weiner was the victim of a hoax, they also knew he would not back down until the hoax was exposed.

    6. Once Weiner admitted the truth and resigned, the sockpuppets remained involved to target Weiner’s attackers as revenge.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1150. @ Nancy Drew….you better leave this to the Hardy Boys 😉

    Andrew Breitbart will vouch for Lee. Lee writes for Big Government. He’s done extensive research on the Pigford settlement case. Lee is on youtube and does Blog Talk Radio. He leaves his phone number everywhere for anyone to contact him.

    Lee is real person and known.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1151. DRJ!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1152. #1157.

    I only responded to an earlier question when someone wondering who STLA was referring to in tweeting Jenay cache page. That’s it.

    I responded for purpose of transparency so no one thought a conspiracy or go down a mystery tweeter rabbit hole.

    I’m not a blogger. I would not consider myself on a “team”.

    I did not come up with JG name. I was copied on a tweet from STLA’s initial JG post. I assume he did so because he initially had referenced me in initial post.

    When I received the tweet from STLA, I read post and quickly sent link to Stranahan if he had seen the post yet. Stranahan hadn’t and then he did. That’s why Stranahan’s comments on radio show 6/19 how JG could have been called so quickly stating she had received 2 phone threats when the STLA JG post had only come out few hours earlier. Coupled with claiming she lived in CA not MA.

    1st tweet (last) I had ever exchanged with STLA was his copy to me of his JG post.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  1153. And point 4: Why use a hijacked account which has a discoverable past history inconsistent with your sock?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1154. The other thing I noticed being on twitter is that a guy usually ends up collecting a bunch of what I believe are fake female follows that attempt to get them to click on links to see naughty pictures and stuff. You can usually spot these as people who have eleventy zillion follows, few followers, and only tweet links to naughty pictures of themselves.

    I call them Twots (TWitter bOTS but sounds like what they are putting themselves out there as). An example would be @Ramsey_2731 or @BluEydGrl4im or @ThedaSexton23 or Prince_354 or @stegghnilqly or @powerfulloudmou or @amelia1066 or @jaguar7686 or @cute_serra or @gAgtTJ or @Anononomol57503 or a zillion others.

    Now if she did “donate” the account, she might want to protect who she donated it to if it is a “cause” she believes in.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1155. HAPPY INDEPENDANCE DAY, everyone!

    BTW, if any of you have Pandora on your PC, you could do worse than selecting “John Phillip Sousa” for a ‘radio station’ for the day.
    It’s like sitting on the curb while the marching bands go by.

    AD-RtR/OS! (d3e560)

  1156. I believe either JG created Nikki or “gave” the account to someone else who did but not unknown to JG. I think she is upset because maybe she didn’t figure the account would ever be traced back to her real name. She might be even more upset if she gave that account to some other entity that she might not want her association with to be known.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1157. 1165 Molon Lake

    Not proven by any means but certainly possible.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1158. @wittier

    Thanks for clearing up that section of the info line.

    OK so it was STLAH where the name Jennifer George originated. I guess the next question becomes motivation. Was STLAH in pursuit of Jennifer George to try and out conservative sock puppets in an effort to clear Weiner name. Or were they trying to deflect a legitimate inquiry down the wrong path by throwing out a name. Which would indicate they were in on it to some extent because all the caches would have to have already existed for people to check on. There had to be some clues/bread crumbs for people to follow to engage in the Jennifer George lead.

    I still don’t know because that theory gets really complicated with a lot of hoops to jump through.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1159. “1) Why not just create an account from scratch?”

    Because if you need several such accounts, that makes for problems. You might be able to get dozens of people all around the country/world to create “cut out” accounts that you can use when you need them. If someone digs deeply enough they all trace back to different places with seemingly nothing in common. More smoke.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1160. I didn’t say Sock puppet. I said puppet. He is a leftie..maybe he’s an undercover puppet. Have you seen his anti-pain you tube videos? A sleeper cell so to speak. It fits with the Neal m.o. The anonymous m.o. the lulzsec m.o. Might be nothing, might be something.

    nancydrew (448ba9)

  1161. Was STLAH in pursuit of Jennifer George to try and out conservative sock puppets in an effort to clear Weiner name. Or were they trying to deflect a legitimate inquiry down the wrong path by throwing out a name.

    I believe that is a valid possibility.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1162. #1173 To what end? What is the advantage to “donating” an account in lieu of simply setting up an account?

    It takes two minutes to create an account. And if you create it from scratch, you can give it whatever backstory you want with no risk of colliding with or revealing a former account owner.

    Why is it necessary to postulate all these multiple-actor theories when there is absolutely no basis for them?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1163. Wouldn’t a very scared and worried girl who had received threatening calls from strangers want to not reveal her current location when she called to inquire about it with Lee & then Preston?

    So saying she’s in California at first makes sense if she doesn’t know if she should be very afraid of Lee or not.

    If your goal is to not get killed before sundown, misdirection on your location is a good idea until you are confident you’re not spilling the beans that could cost you your life.

    (Speculating what would be in an innocent JG MA’s mind at time of call to Lee on 6/19. Not saying Lee called to threaten her, of course. But she may have not been calmed by her phone experience until Jen Preston perhaps schmoozed her and calmed a bit and gave her some breathing room. Speculating.)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1164. #1176 Oh so now it’s a conspiracy of dozens of people all over the world. JFC.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1165. 1179 Molon Labe

    A sock wants to have an account with some backstory that fits the persona she is trying to portray.

    The existing starchild account went back to the prior year or earlier and was all “girl talk” “fan of pretty girl celebrities” “talking makeup bags” “you’re the prettiest star” type of stuff. It was a good fit with the desired “I’m a teen girl who’s starstruck” persona that the sock wanted.

    Sock doesn’t start a new account in this case because a new account is obviously new. If it starts March 1 and starts going after Weiner girlfriends March 8, it look suspicious..oh this account was just created to stalk Weiner / Weiner girls. If the account has girly history for many months back, it looks more real.

    Sock kept a bunch of the history and deleted some too.

    that’s why.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1166. 1175 AZ5

    I see no evidence to suspect wrongdoing on STLAH’s part. It was an easy google search as I demonstrated on 1090, once you used Jennifer + @starchild111 and are looking for which Jennifer. You and I both confirmed the same back at that time and again today. I’m not suspicious of STLAH just because he’s a pinko. If there’s other reason to be suspicious, I’d want to hear it.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1167. No, it isn’t a conspiracy by dozens of people all over the world.

    Take for example a group such as “anonymous”, they might say “hey, we need a bunch of twitter accounts, can you guys create some phoney ones and send us the credentials” so their loyal minions do so and are glad to help.

    It isn’t so hard. It is “crowd sourcing” twitter accounts. Or maybe it is done word of mouth by people who know each other (I keep using the lesbian mafia as an example but only for convenience). Maybe Jenny has a friend who expresses a need for such an account and Jenny says she can use this old one she once created but doesn’t use.

    There are a lot of liberals, conservatives, people of all sorts of causes who might not mind helping out one cause or another just to feel like they are being a part of the game. But when something gets traced back directly to them, the game becomes completely different.

    It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye, then its just games.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1168. It isn’t “conspiracy by dozens of people” any more than all of this going on here is a conspiracy by dozens of people. It is more like stone soup. Lots of different people putting in what they can to make a bigger something.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1169. enjoying the pool
    weiners on the barbeque
    right where they belong

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1170. #1182 Oh yeah, it’d be really suspicious if a high-school aged girl had a new twitter account. Cause we’re all born with twitter accounts ya know.

    The “history” on the account was 7 tweets, and included discoverable information at odds with Nikki persona.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1171. What was the elapsed time between the creation of the starchild111 account and the changing of the name to Nikki?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1172. 1175 1183 AZ

    On second thought, I think we were being given some hints about this last night. So I will have to revisit and think about it.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1173. Probably pointed out somewhere along the way, but regarding the leap from “Jenay” to “Jennifer,” it’s worth remembering that early Starchild111 had quite an interest in Jennifer Lopez. As of the 1/1 snapshot, several of her 11 follows and all but one of her tweets involved Lopez-related individuals.

    Greg (bc8186)

  1174. Comment by Patterico — 7/4/2011 @ 11:06 am

    Alicia Pain and any other threateners/criminals may or may not be the same people. Frankly, that’s all I care about.

    The key to the interface between those two groups are the alleged threats coming from Lee. Lee says the only possibility is that she made them up. I say maybe the Alicia Pain hackers and punkers impersonated Lee to JG. There is evidence supporting that theory beyond what we have discussed.

    I have been worried about caller ID spoofing and use of Spoofcard or phonegangster because of the voice changing Lee remarked on at one point.

    Some versions of these services permit spoofing of caller ID, (and you pick your own number) – i think Ispoofcard does not but you can change your voice and block your number.

    Lee’s caller appears to be the same person as the one making the report.

    If this is so, I do not see how (unless she is in league with other hoaxers) this caller is somehow distinct from the one who was interviewed by police.

    How would an outsider target such an individual – someone actually claiming ownership of the account?

    SarahW (af7312)

  1175. A sock wants to have an account with some backstory that fits the persona she is trying to portray.

    Which reminds me, maybe I should create a phony Twitter account now and make some innocuous tweets from time to time in case I ever need it in the future for something.

    😉

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1176. 1188 crosspatch

    Date of creation of Starchild111 is said by JG in call to Lee as 2009. See Prudence Pain’s blog for step-by-step detailed analysis of transition.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1177. 1190 Greg

    I was thinking that perhaps Jennifer G used “Jenay” so that she could talk with Jennifer Lopez without it being, “Hi Jennifer, it’s Jennifer.”

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1178. “It’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye, then its just games.”

    crosspatch – I’m playing Jarts, too! Blow some sh*t up later.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1179. Google Voice lets you pick a phone number of your choice. You can route it to where ever you want to. It would take a subpoena by a law enforcement agency to track it down. You can place calls from that number using other tools such as gtalk.

    http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/voice/thread?tid=7c20fa7523a13c63&hl=en

    Also, people that have access to certain VOIP systems can make their caller ID appear to be whatever they want. That also applies to PBX systems used by businesses. What they can’t change is the billing information. The billing information is separate. If you have a PBX and change the caller ID and call a toll-free number (e.g. 800 number) the recipient will get the real line address and not the programmed caller-id. A person with a regular line will see only the caller ID.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1180. 1191 SarahW

    Not sure I follow but if JG is an innocent J-Lo/Kardashian fan who started the twitter account and then abandoned it, she called Lee with *67, no voice morphing, called Preston, walked in to BPD, was visited by BPD detective, all as herself.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1181. If you have questions about VOIP, ask Neal R. He is a VOIP expert.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1182. 1196 crosspatch.

    JG called Lee with a blocked number (*67). What is the need for false numbers? I’m not following.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1183. Here’s what you have to believe to buy the hacker theory:

    1) Hacker searches all over Twitter to find an inactive account, with no followers who might be suspicious of a hack, and who only followed people unlikely to want to contact them lest the hack be exposed, and whose twitter image comported with a high school girl. (Try it yourself, prolly take you a month to find that profile.)

    AND

    2) Hacker knows he can guess the password on the account within whatever number of attempts Twitter allows before a warning email is sent or account is locked.

    AND

    3) Hacker knows the original account owner will ignore warning notification from Twitter that account email has changed.

    AND

    4) Hacker doesn’t care or realize (some hacker!) that internet preserves information contradicting his new sock’s persona. (i.e., the effing name on the effing account).

    From the point of view of the “hacker” let’s consider the alternative

    1) Hacker just creates a fucking account to begin with in two minutes.

    Or from the POV of reality:

    1) The person who created starchild111 is the one who impersonated Nikki Reid. Period. End of story.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1184. So basically, we have IP proxies that can cloak IP addresses and make them untraceable without a subpoena. We have voice proxies that can cloak a phone number and make them untraceable without a subpoena. We have voice changers that make those unrecognizable.

    Modern technology, gotta love it. You can’t be sure anyone who calls you is who they say they are.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1185. In case anyone missed 1145, it may be an important one to read.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1186. JG called Lee with a blocked number (*67). What is the need for false numbers? I’m not following.

    To make someone think it’s a particular person calling?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1187. they had to destroy
    weiner to save the weiner
    tweets to contrary

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1188. huma gave weiner
    pink slip now he look for some
    other place to park

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1189. 1199 — if someone were to call JG pretending to be Lee and they had a voice number from something like Google Voice in the same location where he lives it could look very much like a phone number from the same location with a voice having frequency characteristics much like Lee’s voice. Get a capture of Lee’s voice, use a spectrum analyzer program to display the frequency distrubution, do the same with your own voice, now run that through what amounts to a graphic equalizer to make the spectrum of your voice close to Lee’s and there you go. Through in a few mannerisms and his cadence and stuff, and to someone who has never talked to Lee or heard him before, it could sound a lot like Lee if they were to hear his voice again later. Particularly so if something is said to frighten them and screw with their memory of the moment a little.

    Just saying that it isn’t all that hard for someone who does something like … is a music dj at parties or something. They would probably have all the required equipment and the knowledge to do it.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1190. huma abedin
    Mister Ed ever been seen
    together? think NOT!

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1191. Just saying that any sort of “hacker mafia” with political goals would easily have the resources required to pull something like this off and it gets easier if they have minions to toss in little bits of help here and there.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1192. huma and weiner
    did Arab and Jooo ever
    not come together?

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1193. alicia pain
    reid JG Lee a job for
    inspector Clouseau

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1194. And considering how politically active certain Google employees have been in places like the White House, Egypt and Althouse, one might find themselves with some pretty high-powered help on a mission with a political agenda in their spare time. Same goes for any number of high tech business operations with people who have a political agenda and some technical know how operating in their spare time to “make a difference”.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1195. Molon Labia
    bet you go through a lotta
    Chapstick®… just sayin’

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1196. and NOTE that I am only advancing possibilities, not saying that I believe any of those things necessarily happened. Saying that until there is some real evidence, the possibilities are practically boundless. Getting someone’s IP address is useless. Getting someone’s phone number is useless … if they trace back to something that hides the real origination. Trying to recognize someone’s voice is useless.

    Someone who has had a few years to set up a network of “hacktivists” ( http://www.thehacktivist.com/whatishacktivism.pdf ) can accomplish quite a bit particularly when combined with crowd sourcing.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1197. once had job as an
    undercover puppet hand
    up ass blew cover

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1198. and I’m spent… you can thank colonel later

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1199. But my curiosity goes back to why the change to Nikki and why the focus on female follows of Weiner. The primary question I would have directly for Jenny George is if she personally ever tweeted as Nikki on the day Weiner sent that picture.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1200. “Here’s what you have to believe to buy the hacker theory:”

    Nope.

    Hacker has hacker friends and friends of hackers who created cut-out twitter accounts long ago and have them on the shelf ready to use for stuff like this and are available for the asking.

    Hactivism becomes much more effective when networks of people become involved.

    Have a look at this list, for example:

    http://twitter.com/#!/Dobroyeutro/hacktivist/members

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1201. The Lee Stranahan posted three IP addresses that he suspected were from Patriot. Two of them traced back to WiTopia IP cloaking services, one of them traced back to a server that is or has been used for a porn site.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1202. As Patterico intimated, perhaps we should be prepared for the possibility that the Pain/death threats to JG are completely different people than the Reid/Wolfe sock puppets. LE may only solve a piece of the puzzle… for now.

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1203. #1217 The end result of a donated off-the-shelf account is an account controlled by the “hacker” (i.e., with a registered email under the hacker’s control).

    Hacker could achieve that result himself simply by creating the account to begin with.

    What is the point in having off-the-shelf accounts? Especially when said account has a DISCOVERABLE HISTORY contradicting your sock’s persona.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1204. Colonel seem to have
    no need of blue pill to get
    his juices flowing

    (artistic ones I mean) Thank you, Colonel.

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1205. If the UCLA Professor is Lew Hunter, he moved to Superior, Nebraska in 1999 or earlier, and his writers colony is held at his home, for two weeks, twice a year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EN3qtpPtCM&feature=related

    (Excerpt of TV news program, uploaded August 28, 2007, claims he moved to Nebraska “8 years ago”)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Hunter

    A Wikipedia article claims:

    “Every winter, Hunter returns to UCLA to teach his Screenwriting 434 course to graduate students in the screenwriting MFA program, the modern form of which he helped create.”

    That sentence was added to the article on 13:16, 15 October 2006. There seems to be a note there about a different change that person made:

    (Hunter’s Colony program grads did not write 9 of the top 10 grossing films. That was grads of UCLA’s screenwriting MFA program. (This was verified by him. I’m in the program and Lew is my professor.))

    In the next edit “in the winter quarter” was put in the same sentence, but then taken out the next day probably by the same person. Five edits were made October 15 and 16, 2006. The IP addresses were 68.183.1.259, 65.39.101.101, and 68.183.31.112, (3 times in the morning of Oct 16, undoubtably in the same session)

    Now a circa 2008 documentary about Lew Hunter does indicate he travels – so he could be there, but he probably doesn’t maintain a home in Los Angeles. On the other hand, he could still have a telephone number with LA Area Code – that’s been easy to do since 2003 and wasn’t impossible before. But the number on the website is a 402 number, which is the area code for eastern Nebraska. (there is now actually an overlay 531 area code as of March, 2011, but no numbers have apparently yet been assigned although they went to 10 digit dialing)

    His wife’s name is Pamela if that’s any help.

    Sammy Finkelman (6f74ae)

  1206. JG called Lee with a blocked number (*67). What is the need for false numbers? I’m not following.

    To make someone think it’s a particular person calling?

    Comment by Patterico — 7/4/2011 @ 12:59 pm

    Anyone can use Spoofcard. I know some of the aps don’t let you spoof caller ID anymore. But they do let you block, and have a voice-changing feature.

    Not all *67 calls are perfectly blocked (800 numbers can see you despite) so spoofing can conceal your number.

    Someone spoofing as Lee to JG could cause confusion, but I wouldn’t know if anything like that happened, it was just a concern.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1207. “Especially when said account has a DISCOVERABLE HISTORY contradicting your sock’s persona.”

    Molon Labe – You keep saying this but offer no specifics.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1208. “Hacker could achieve that result himself simply by creating the account to begin with.”

    But that is more difficult. If he collects accounts from people pretty much at random, he gets a accounts that were created at random times and random places and if they are traced back, they go to random people. No trail leads back to the hacktivist actually using the account except information that requires a subpoena to get and even then, maybe some that wouldn’t be available even if a subpoena is obtained.

    Retention requirements expire after a certain time. I doubt Twitter would have any records of what IP address created an account that is more than 2 years old. A newly created account would likely have information such as the IP address that was used to create it and possibly other information. Information that is old is likely no longer retained.

    So the last thing I am going to want to do is mess with someone using a twitter account that I myself recently created.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1209. No, koam (@wittier) — that caller is a hoaxer. There is a negligible chance the caller not involved in the hoaxing.

    Her actions and story make no sense, she told lies, and outlandish stories.

    In fact I will PRONOUNCE – hear me pronouncing- NO WAY IN HELL is the caller on the level.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1210. I’m trying to remember if there was an episode where a twitter account was hacked by someone trying to trap and tarnish the name of a hated right wing journalist (Breitbart). While at the same time other socks “inadvertently” released a scandalous dicpic in the middle of the reverse sting. I’m writing Burn Notice right now to sell this plot for a new episode.

    I’m still leaning towards jilted ex-cyber-lover but I’m truly hoping it turns out to be a bunch of left wing activists who had their plans blow up in their faces on an epic level.

    Hears to hoping! Happy Independence Day!

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1211. Molon Labe – ALL CAPS CONVINCE PEOPLE MORE BETTER

    BOLD ALL CONVINCE PEOPLE EVEN MORE MORE BETTER

    Why are you trying so hard?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1212. @ SaraW

    Wasn’t it already proven that JG in MA was in fact “not on the level” about some things?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1213. #1224 Daley for crying out loud we have a google cache image of the starchild111 account with name “Jenay”.

    If we have it, how would the hacker know going in that his target wouldn’t find it also?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1214. I’m still leaning towards jilted ex-cyber-lover but I’m truly hoping it turns out to be a bunch of left wing activists who had their plans blow up in their faces on an epic level.

    Hillary Clinton has a LOT of friends in the gay community. There were even rumors of a “thing” between Hillary and Huma. If Weiner were messing around on Huma, a lot of people might be sympathetic and it is possible could look into things on their own. It might be that this same group is also sympathetic to left wing causes, but the two interests might not be related in this case. If Weiner were seen as a scumbag by a “true believer” progressive who was hurting a close friend of Hillary, all bets are off.

    Who knows what the motive was. I just want to know if it was Jenny tweeting as Nikki or not. If it was, then a lot of this goes out the window. If it wasn’t, then anything is possible.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1215. Actually, if it was Jenny tweeting as Nikki, my followup question would be if anyone was “helping” her with the tweets. Did she have a “handler”.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1216. And the answer to the first question should be verifiable. The second question would be harder to know for certain.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1217. Oh god, I better spell it out for you Daley.

    Daley for crying out loud we have a google cache image of the starchild111 account with name “Jenay”.

    And that is discoverable information that contradicts the persona of Nikki.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1218. crosspatch – you make some good points but keep in mind that when the Twitter account was being switched over from Jennifer/Jenay to Nikki, the future was unknown. Your extraordinary measures would have required extraordinary reasons… and they didn’t exist then. Which is why I think simpler explanations are sometimes more logical.

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1219. No Doug,

    That Weiner would screw up and tweet something in the open was clearly unknown. That is a total screwup on Weiner’s part. But if the intention was to get Weiner to tweet then a pic in private and then take that to Hillary/Huma in private … who knows.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1220. Or maybe even use it to blackmail Weiner. Anything is possible.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1221. When exactly did the account switch to Nikki? I must have missed in in this torrent of comments.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1222. Which is why I think simpler explanations are sometimes more logical.

    Not offering an opinion on the specific issue you are discussing, but I have a problem with the “Occam’s razor” method of reasoning when there are hoaxers involved, or at least potentially involved.

    Occam’s razor tells the mark in a three-card monte scam that, after having correctly identified the card the last three times, he will be able to do it again, now that his own money on the line. Occam’s razor! Supposing that the previous bettor was a hoaxer in on the scam is a CRAZY theory supported by absolutely no evidence! Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof! Etc.

    And you can think that . . . right up until the time that you lose all your cash.

    Occam never met a hoaxer.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1223. “And that is discoverable information that contradicts the persona of Nikki.”

    WTF are you talking about?

    This is not new information.

    Are you mentally challenged?

    Discoverable information contradicting the persona would be the the twitter personality taking positions or interests contrary to Nikki. Do we have it? No.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1224. So basically everyone could be right but for the wrong reasons. Maybe STLAH saw Nikki’s actions as possibly someone attempting to get Weiner to screw up and was correct on that count, but then assumed that Nikki was some right-winger and got the motivation wrong. Maybe a lot of people got different pieces of the picture correct but then filled the rest of that picture with different conjecture.

    Everyone touching a different part of the elephant.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1225. Daley, if you were a l33t hacker member of a global conspiracy trying to trap Weiner into sending you a dic-pic, don’t you think you’d avoid using an account which a simple google search reveals had a different name in the past?

    If you were not so sophisticated – say just for kicks a jilted 20-something sexting partner – don’t you think that concern would escape your grasp?

    Cause there certainly is a lot that escapes your grasp.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1226. You know, Weiner was blackmailed – in 2009. The New York almost flatly reported it then.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 7/3/2011 @ 2:56 pm

    Weiner was blackmailed? For what? Did an errant wiener pic show up in someone’s inbox?

    Comment by Mike Myers — 7/3/2011 @ 2:58 pm

    He was blackmailed into not running for Mayor in 2009.

    It was gradually escalated, and something may have been communicated privately too

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/nyregion/12wolfson.html?sq=abedin%20wolfson%20mayor&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all

    For his part, Mr. Sheekey, who once accused Mr. Wolfson’s firm of having “corrupted” the political process with its relentless attacks on the mayor, said in an interview that he would rather have Mr. Wolfson working for him than against him.

    “I have both respected and feared Howard from probably the first day I met him,” he said, adding: “Howard coming to work for Mike Bloomberg is no different than Hillary Clinton going to work for Barack Obama: Think of all the nasty things that Hillary Clinton said about Barack Obama.”

    Mr. Wolfson claimed his first Democratic scalp in May, as Mr. Weiner — once a close ally in the Clinton campaigns — dropped out of the mayoral race amid a Wolfson-led behind-the-scenes campaign to force him to do just that.

    Working with a local press corps he had cultivated for years, Mr. Wolfson and his team dug up and then pushed a steady stream of politically damaging tidbits about Mr. Weiner, giving the congressman an early taste of what he might face come the fall.

    In one instance, Mr. Wolfson’s team discovered that Mr. Weiner had introduced a bill making it easier for foreign-born fashion models to work in the United States. In New York’s tabloid news culture — one Mr. Wolfson navigates well — the discovery produced unflattering news stories packaged with photographs of the congressman and sultry exotic models.

    No matter that Mr. Weiner was someone Mr. Wolfson dispatched frequently as a surrogate against President Obama during last year’s primaries, or that Mr. Weiner’s fiancée, Huma Abedin, is a confidante of Mrs. Clinton’s whom Mr. Wolfson once considered a friend.

    But Mr. Wolfson said that it was a fair fight and that he relished what he had accomplished. His team commemorated Mr. Weiner’s departure from the race by tacking on a wall in their office a photograph of the congressman in his goalie uniform during a pickup hockey game, with a caption quoting him as saying, “This is not a time for playing games; it’s a time for problem-solving.”

    Sammy Finkelman (6f74ae)

  1227. I am still digging through Prudence Pain’s blog attempting to find the timeline where Jenay becomes Nikki. (A link to the posting would have helped) but one thing I noticed is that as of a cache dated May 14, starchild has made 60 tweets. Not a lot since 2009.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1228. And you can think that . . . right up until the time that you lose all your cash.

    Point taken.
    Which is why I never, ever gamble.

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1229. Ok, so as of Jan 1, 2011 the account was still Jenay with no location specified. Following 16, 11 followers.

    On April 6 it says just “starchild” with the name Jenay removed. 7 tweets total on the account. Now following 26, still 11 followers. Account is being scrubbed and becoming more active.

    On April 16 it now has the name Nikki Reid 11 tweets, following 45, 22 followers. In that 10 days the number of following/followers have just about doubled.

    http://prudencepaine.com/2011/06/29/for-weinergate-addicts-only/

    So the account became Nikki (claiming to be in Los Angeles ) does the tweet pattern line up with Eastern time or Western time? Hard to tell because the screen shot will show the timestamp in the timezone of the person doing the browsing, not he person doing the tweeting.

    But anyway, there is nothing going on with that account that isn’t consistent with the person doing the tweeting wanting to create a false personna.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1230. Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 7/4/2011 @ 2:09 pm

    I don’t really see showing your political opponent what they are in for is really blackmail.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  1231. re: 1243

    So it looks like a lot of people were aware that Weiner was a slimeball.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1232. That’s just exactly the sort of politician the mob LOVES to have in office at the local level and our enemies love to have at the national level.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1233. And get this: Elite hacker cabal goes to all the trouble to hijack account and create fake Nikki persona, then does such a ham-fisted oafish job of it that a 19 yr old journalism student spots them as fakes immediately.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1234. I don’t think anyone had to hijack anything.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1235. Patterico @1239

    The Sting. Now that was a cool movie.

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1236. Heck, for all I know, Jenny might be a friend of Huma’s and let her use the account to nab Weiner herself.

    It could have been all Jenny, but if that is so, why would she go so far to hide her true identity? Why wouldn’t she have kept the name Jenay on the account? Whoever was communicating with Weiner’s follows wanted to appear to be someone they weren’t. It wasn’t innocent following of someone/infatuation, followed by a mistaken tweet. This was a concerted effort befriend his follows and then him by someone who wanted their real identity not to be known.

    I believe Jennifer George created the Starchild111 account. I do not have enough information to believe that she was the one using that account on the day Weiner sent the picture.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1237. More importantly why hide the name Jenay but not the starchild111 name?

    Notice about the only tweets on the account were from late last year to entertainment personalities.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1238. “Molon Labe”

    If I have an old twitter account lying around that I created more than 2 years ago and have never really used and if I were to email or IM you the password on that account and you use it, is that “hijacking”?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1239. Turn it around:

    CP: ML, do you have an old twitter account I could have?

    ML: Why don’t you just create one?

    CP: Ummm, just send the username and password.

    ML: Well, I sorta use that password for other things, don’t really want to give it out. Say, why don’t you just create an account? Takes 2 minutes.

    CP: Not good with computers. Blah blah.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1240. And the word “hack” does not mean to break into, steal, or hijack. To the “hacker”, hacking means to use their skills in computing to do something. It actually refers to “hacking” on a keyboard as someone “hacks out code” or “hacks out a website” or “hacks the Linux kernel”. The word “hack” means different things to different people. To some people, being a “hacker” is someone who spends a lot of time at a computer keyboard producing something. It might be bad, it might be good.

    A “hacktivist” would be someone who uses their computing skills to advance their agenda. It doesn’t mean they break into anything or hijack anything, but they might.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1241. I’m aware of the definition of hacker as a skilled programmer, and I am using it in that sense.

    The person acquiring the account would obviously have to be someone with skilz – even if it were a donated account from some mad hacker cabal.

    Enough skills, at any rate, to realize that his sock was compromised from the very beginning by the presence of contradictory information easily accessible on the net.

    And his socking was so poor that it was unmasked as fakery almost immediately.

    Hence, there was no third party hacker/donatee or anything of the like.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  1242. “Molon Labe”

    No, it goes more like this:

    A few years back, someone puts out on a hacktivist mailing list that they would like people to create some twitter accounts and just put them on the shelf later. It is sold as an easy task that many of the minions could perform to “help the cause”. Then in 2011 someone asks for one or more of those accounts to use for a “project”. In fact, such “projects” probably come up from time to time.

    To directly answer your question:

    They don’t want to create a new account because that new account will have a lot of information about its creation retained by Twitter. Twitter probably doesn’t keep logs for more than a year or two. They want an account that was created a long time ago and even if it can be traced to the creator, it can’t be traced to the user of the account.

    So it goes like this:

    CP: Hey, you guys, create twitter accounts we might be able to use for projects. Don’t use them for anything “real” but it is okay to engage in some innocuous chitchat, maybe follow some popular celebs as cover.

    ML: I created one, let me know if you ever want to use it.

    …. many months elapse

    CP: Hey, ML, can you send me the password of that twitter account you created? We need to use it for a project.

    ML: Here ya go.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1243. So Jenny creates Starchild111 and it changes to Nikki Reid. Jenny (I believe) has admitted to creating the account (right?).

    Now why all the antics by “John Reid”?

    JG has admitted to creating the account and that pretty much exposes everything JR said was baloney. Why the smoke screen? Didn’t JR disappear right about the time JG admits creating the account?

    Is JR really the people who were using the account attempting to create a cover story and that got blown by JG’s admission?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1244. I believe JG created the account.

    I believe JR9 is associated in some way with the person or persons using the starchild account when Weiner tweeted the pic. Might even be the very same person(s).

    I don’t know for sure if JG is the person using the account when Weiner tweeted the picture.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1245. I just don’t recall how the word got out about JG admitting to creating the account (nor am I sure she actually did, that’s just what I *think* I remember in this smoke-filled episode). Now if it was Stranahan that let that cat out of the bag … I can see why P would be annoyed.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1246. Comment by crosspatch — 7/4/2011 @ 4:06 pm

    Yes, Lee announced JG had admitting creating account in call to him.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  1247. shot out of cannon
    always better than being
    squeezed out of a tube

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1248. Here is Lee’s blog post concerning the Sunday, June 19 call with a JG.

    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-notes-on-my-619-jenny-george-call

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1249. Sir, not trying to say I “KNOW” all, just that I have been reading all about weinergate and have a pretty good handle on why the info is at a standstill. LE etc… was just trying to stop the crap and was pretty sure you were going to have to be the bigger man and let it go. Those of us that read you, know you are not a patsy. I doubt he will say sorry, and may not stop, but I tried. Sorry I stepped in and made you angry, not my intention at all. I love reading your blogs, sorry you are so busy at work. Have a great evening!

    freedom_costs (51c21c)

  1250. Why did Reid and Wolfe stay in the game so long? Especially after Weiner quit. They kept saying that they didn’t want the media to come after them, so why not just totally go silent? Couldn’t be political at that point and sounds personal on some level. But to what purpose? Just to screw with us? For fun? They have to have know that the more times they post, the longer the forensic trail. Doesn’t seem smart and they don’t seem dumb. What end game are they shooting for?

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1251. 1203 Patrick

    Didn’t Lee say several times that the call came in on a blocked number? That’s achievable from any number if you dial *67 first. I don’t see need for VOIP or caller ID spoofing as Lee said no number came up on the incoming call.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1252. 1206 crosspatch

    Is there some discussion that JG received a call from a caller ID that matched Lee’s and that there is tape of a voice that sounds like Lee’s on JG’s answering machine?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1253. Now my question is why Lee would want to protect that network. Because by letting that information out and forcing JR9 to ground, he basically said “hey, if she told me that, then she probably told someone else that, too” and forced JR9 to shut up before he could be exposed. In effect, Stranahan acted in a way that protected whoever is behind Nikki Reid, intentionally or not.

    Why is Lee trying so hard to put all the focus on JG? Why is Lee doing things to force JR9 to shut up?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1254. koam

    not that I am aware of. I was saying that if you know where someone lives, it is pretty easy to get a phone number in their general area and make your voice sound like them, though.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1255. 1229 J5A

    What is proven except that JG who called Lee, scared, said she was in CA but was in MA?

    Wouldn’t a scared woman not tell the truth about where she was and use a blocked caller ID to avoid being located?

    Apparently after some interaction with Preston, perhaps she fessed up about location after feeling more comfortable that Lee wasn’t the one who called her with threats? Why not?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1256. koam- I believe there was just some speculation of how easy it would be to spoof Lee’s number and/or voice on JG’s phone if she did indeed get a death threat.

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1257. Now my question is why Lee would want to protect that network. Because by letting that information out and forcing JR9 to ground, he basically said “hey, if she told me that, then she probably told someone else that, too” and forced JR9 to shut up before he could be exposed. In effect, Stranahan acted in a way that protected whoever is behind Nikki Reid, intentionally or not.

    He also insulted Reid saying he was going to jail, leaving the comment under my name. (He had admin access and if he logged in under the admin could leave a comment that looked like it was coming from me.)

    And he said I said Reid was my source for a story that I never said Reid was a source for. And that he was not a source for.

    All actions that might drive Reid underground.

    Patterico (b1e9c9)

  1258. Why did Reid and Wolfe stay in the game so long? Especially after Weiner quit.

    To protect JG? If they did use an account that belonged to her, maybe they felt a need to pay “rodeo clown” and attract some attention toward them to keep people from digging into the account history and discovering JG. Kindof a panic move. I don’t think JG would do that AND tell Stranahan that she created the account herself if she were following the whole thing because she would have known Stranahan and Patterico were collaborating on the story. Telling Stranahan would be telling Patterico and appearing on his website answering questions would be lunacy.

    It is like telling Stranahan “JR9 is a fake” and then going on Patterico answering questions as JR9.

    Looks to me like Stranahan is now in a mode where he is, intentionally or not, covering for whoever JR9 is. At this point the game would be “sacrifice the lesser asset (JG) to protect the larger asset (the JR9 net)” and you have Lee standing in the intersection as traffic cop waiving everyone toward JG.

    JG is probably really pissed at someone and I don’t think it is P. If someone else was using that account, maybe they are going to throw her under the bus to protect themselves and Stranahan looks like he’s helping.

    Questions for Twitter: Did the password on the starchild account change between October 2010 and the time Weiner’s wiener showed up on teh interwebz and if so, how many times and when? From where did those password requests originate, if any.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1259. “All actions that might drive Reid underground.”

    Not the actions of a polite guest blogger.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1260. #1166 DRJ

    I tend to agree with all points you made in that post.

    And if the main characters are real, and if Gennette did email Nikki after asking JR9 if the address she had was still correct, it could be possible that she apologized(or something) to Nikki and everything was smoothed over with them. Hence, the sudden silence. Have been wondering about the silence.

    Lots of ‘ifs’ there, but seem to have seen a few others thrown out here also!

    jmel44 (7e725f)

  1261. @1274 – Similar to insults, threats and slurs leveled at Wolfe by Lee from Day 1.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1262. 1261 crosspatch

    JR9 is definitely connected to the controller of starchild111 (Nikki) during the Wenier era (early to mid 2011.)

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1263. 1262 crosspatch

    Lee got a call from JG saying she had created the starchild111 account. Lee reports it right away to all of us. That wouldn’t be a reason for Patrick to be upset. That was an important event.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1264. I gotta get the kids ready for fireworks. Been an interesting day. I think I have a better handle on the situation, or at least the parts of it that seem interesting to me.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1265. 1267 Doug
    Agree with most of that but don’t see why it’s not political and only personal. That’s just one theory.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1266. 1280 koam

    It would be a reason for P to be annoyed, I think, but I can’t speak for how he felt about it. It would have certainly annoyed me.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1267. I have been having trouble catching up with all the posts. Sorry for the late entry. Grats on the number of comments!

    On 6/19/11, I searched for “starchild111” and was simply checking what came up. You didn’t have to have the “Jennifer George” name to start; you only had to have the patience to sit and keep on looking at the results, looking for a name to show up somewhere in connection with the phrase. That’s all I did.
    I mentioned the oddity I found at: https://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/comment-page-5/
    comment number 185.

    But let me ask a related question… When I searched for “Jennifer George” there were tons of them… So how did the field narrow down to JGCA and JGMA? I actually had guessed in a completely different direction when I was playing with the searches. Was there evidence that narrowed the field?

    I don’t Twitter or Facebook, so I have been learning as I followed you folks discussing all these bits of information. It may be that the link was in research others could do that I couldn’t since I don’t do those things.

    Also, how did the discussion apparently end up assuming that the point of the account was definitely some kind of sting against either Weiner or Breitbart? There are other possibilities for “misdirection” as far as the purpose of the account goes.

    People lie or “misdirect” for many reasons. What evidence is there that the JG account holder became Nikki as a sting?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1268. 1270 crosspatch

    don’t follow

    Please use post numbers and please use nouns not pronouns so we can follow your meaning.

    1271 crosspatch

    please use post numbers. i’m trying to follow you and there are obviously many questions floating at the same time.

    I gather that you’re responding to 1269.

    Lee received call from JP that was “private number”

    I understand your response. Does this have to do with the call that JG received from someone claiming to be Lee or Lee-related?

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1269. 1272 doug
    thank you to you and crosspatch

    it’s very confusing as lee just said jg was lying about everything and he didn’t give all the details.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1270. correction 1273 doug thanks

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1271. 1274 Patrick

    He also insulted Reid saying he was going to jail, leaving the comment under my name. (He had admin access and if he logged in under the admin could leave a comment that looked like it was coming from me.)

    Holy holy hell

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1272. 1285 koam

    I was referring to something someone else said about the threatening call JG got claiming to be from Lee. Not about the call to Lee from JG.

    I was saying that it is possible to create a phone number just about anywhere and place calls that appear to come from that number when you aren’t even using a telephone. The call would trace back to google and it would require a subpoena to google to find out where the call actually originated from.

    The conversation also says that one can make caller ID anything they want it to be in some cases. So if I have access to the right sort of phone equipment, I can call someone and make it look like the call came from you and I can make my voice sound somewhat like yours. Heck, a little sulfur hexafluoride from a welding supply shop and I can make Sarah Palin sound like Barry White.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1273. 1283 crosspatch

    If you want to see part of what annoyed P, see 1274

    He also insulted Reid saying he was going to jail, leaving the comment under my name. (He had admin access and if he logged in under the admin could leave a comment that looked like it was coming from me.)

    I’m still in shock.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1274. @ koam @wittier

    I don’t understand what JG/MA motivation for calling Lee is at all in this story. Unless she feels like she’s about to be found out and irrationally hopes she can talk Lee out of pursuing the story. Or it was a hoaxer trying to push people further down the wrong path. While not impossible it requires more explanation than just an irrational jilted lover does.

    On I side note I can’t help but notice that the Weinergate cease fire didn’t last more than a day.

    Did Lee accidentally post under Patterico’s name here in regards to the comment directed at JR9 or would he have to do it intentionally? I was pretty shocked when I read that and held back responding to it for just long enough to find out it was someone who’d borrowed Patterico’s name.

    If it was intentional that’s low and makes me lose a lot of respect for Stranahan. The irony of it isn’t lost on me either though.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1275. If I were P, I would want to keep JR9 coming back as much as possible. Having Stranahan blow that would have annoyed me.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1276. 1284 sue

    great. see also 1098 and 1090

    Lee was focused on JGCA after reading her resume and he focused in her job at Reason Mag as a fundraiser. He called this “doing political work.” He emailed her with his phone number and sent her a facebook request on 6/19. Minutes later he gets a call from a JG saying she had been threatened and who said she was scared and worried. The call was from JG MA but Lee assumed it was JG CA calling an dlying. Lee said he was 90% certain JG CA was the target person because of this. The timing of the emails and the calls was “coincidental” relative to pointing toward JG CA.

    He later backed away from JG CA entirely and repeatedly. JG CA wasn’t involved.

    So I believe he found JG CA through that sequence of events and the 123people. Info that JG MA gave him (UCLA) was coincidental to JG CA’s background. That was also a mistake. But the mention of UCLA prof by JG MA, the caller, made Lee more sure it was JG CA who was calling at the time. A “Comedy of errors”.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1277. But oddly, Stranahan’s pattern of actions are like someone who is protecting JR9. Like he wants to shut JR9 up. Like he is taking extraordinary active measures to do things to shut JR9 up.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1278. Did Lee accidentally post under Patterico’s name here in regards to the comment directed at JR9 or would he have to do it intentionally? I was pretty shocked when I read that and held back responding to it for just long enough to find out it was someone who’d borrowed Patterico’s name.

    If it was intentional that’s low and makes me lose a lot of respect for Stranahan. The irony of it isn’t lost on me either thoug

    I read that thread and was blown away when I saw that comment labeled “Patterico” which wasn’t him obviously. That post was very clearly intentional, I don’t see any scenario where it wasn’t since it so clearly lines up with Lee (and his tantrum of calling people crazy and pretenders) and is so far afield from what Patrick has been doing.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1279. I should clarify I was shocked when I saw “Patterico’s” the cops are on their way comment. I thought it was the most awesome reveal ever if it was true but at the same time wondered about it. I intentionally waited to respond to it for quite a while and I’m glad I did because not to long after that he posted that it wasn’t him that had posted it.

    I’d be stunned to find out that Stranahan did it on purpose.

    That really can’t be the case that a sock puppet investigation turns into a blog interview coup d’état sock puppet style.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1280. 1292 J5A

    JG MA if innocent calls Lee to find out what the hell is up. She’s not reassured and winds up at BPD.

    JG MA if not innocent is trying to pin hoax threat calls she says she received on Lee? I dunno. I’ve been assuming an innocent JG MA based on blurbs I’ve read here from important, careful participants.

    I concur that 1274 is another shocking post. I don’t know about accidental vs. intentional. At this point I don’t think I’d just flatly grant the benefit of the doubt. But P is heated today (see twitter) so this is either the reason or a side-effect (not giving Lee the benefit of the doubt). I hope it was accidental but we’ll have to see.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1281. turns into a blog interview coup d’état sock puppet style.

    Seems more like “double agent” to me.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1282. 1293 crosspatch

    the word evil comes to mind.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1283. 1296 kaisersoze

    It’s a disgusting development.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1284. New idea.

    It has been referenced in this thread that Cong. Weiner had been subjected to an attempted blackmail earlier.

    Isn’t it possible that starchild111 was a cover for someone watching the Congressman to see if the people he contacted online were OK, and not attempting to harm him in some way?

    Starchild was a twitter account used to get background information on the young ladies who Wiener was interested in. To see if they were trustworthy or not. Which is why her tweets were always probing what GL and GNC were talking about with the Weenie.

    Patriot/Dan Wolfe was probably a similar persona used to burrow into accounts of conservative critics to see what they were up to.

    It explains the ready availability of fake ID’s and complicated personas with backstories without a whole lot of detail to back them up.

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1285. Heck, who else has admin, how do we know P even posted that most recent comment?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1286. 1302, that idea has been brought up before. That starchild was used to “vet” Weiners follows.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1287. 1282 koam

    Political passions run hot so, of course I won’t rule them out. I just haven’t seen a target being aimed at. Seemed to be only JR9 and Wolfe defending themselves and attacking critics. Don’t understand the MO from them. I DO believe they have been doing this for a reason, whatever that may be.
    I admit, I believe they are sock(s); not absolutely sure about JG MA (who called Lee) but probably.

    Doug in oregon (a9a03f)

  1288. @ Kaisersoze

    Yeah I’ve never run or owned a blog so I don’t know if one wrong click and you’re posting a comment like the owner of the blog or not. If it was intentional I’m shocked that Patterico is even on speaking terms. That’s some seriously dishonest sabotage.

    I kind of wonder if some level of jealousy has crept into this entire processes. I can’t help but notice that none of the sock puppets/people of interest want to talk to Lee.

    I’ve noticed him go on and on on twitter about everyone that’s speaking to JR9/Nikki/USAPatrio76/Gennette to make all their private convo’s public. Which ironically enough when one was happening that he could have been involved in he sabotaged it.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1289. 1304 If that was their purpose, who were they? FBI/CIA backgrounders, looking for potential national security weaknesses in the Congressman’s contact list?

    Or a private firm hired by Wiener to “help” him out of sticky situations when he finds himself in them? Keep in mind, Weiner is close to the Clintons, and B&H had people with a similar job description working for them in the White House.

    What was that guys name again? It was so long ago…

    CausticConservative (b29599)

  1290. That’s some seriously dishonest sabotage.

    I can see someone “forgetting” for a moment that their comment would post as coming from the blog owner. But one would expect that upon seeing that they would pipe up with “that wasn’t Patterico, that was me” from Stranahan but no such thing happened.

    I’m not saying 100% that he did it intentionally to start with, but it didn’t appear that he took any action to correctly note who the comment came from, either.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1291. I don’t really buy the vetting for Weiner idea. Gennette said she informed AW about the possibility of them being sock puppets to begin with. That he was aware of it and they were both “intentionally” screwing with them. Which doesn’t make any sense if that person was actually trying to vet others. Unless they were actually vetting Gennette.

    You’d think if the federal government was trying to probe/vet what ever they’d be able to pull of a better background than borrowing someone else twitter account. I’d imagine they wouldn’t make mistakes about teenage pop culture either.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1292. Unless they were actually vetting Gennette.

    That would be where the notion was going when I brought it up a few days ago.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1293. @ crosspatch

    I was thinking the same thing, there should have been an “oops” post shortly there after. Patterico actually posted next to clarify the situation.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1294. 1309

    You’d think if the federal government was trying to probe/vet what ever they’d be able to pull of a better background than borrowing someone else twitter account. I’d imagine they wouldn’t make mistakes about teenage pop culture either.

    Federal govt? No, they would be better than that, I think, and would already have a stack of twitter accounts and wouldn’t need to worry. They could make them look pretty real. Hacktivists or some third world intelligence operation, maybe not.

    If you are a member of Congress on the Internet, you are going to have all sorts of people watching your every move. China will be watching, Iran will be watching, heck, the Zetas will be watching looking for an opportunity. You don’t have to worry just about political enemies, you have to worry about enemy enemies.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1295. Weiner is just an idiot. It looks a lot like someone was positioning themselves into trying to get some dirt on him. Dirt can be pretty valuable. The possible motivation for it spans the spectrum. I’d like to talk to whoever was at the keyboard as JR9

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1296. @ crosspatch #1311

    Those questions could be answered if someone just asked the woman who came forward. Was Nikki and company following the LV blackjack dealer? Or the other woman who was on Hannity? This story seems to just revolve around a handful of people.

    If it was vetting it was incredibly sloppy. If you are in the business of gaining a strangers trust online for the explicit reason of getting information out of them Nikki and company was terribly at it. So terrible that it “supposedly” made Gennette suspicious.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1297. *terrible at it…like my proof reading.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1298. I am not saying it was vetting, just saying the thought crossed my mind.

    I think JG had very little to do with this aside from creating a twitter account that was eventually used with regard to weiner. Thats all I am prepared to state with any certainty and even that is suspect because all I have is Stranahan’s word on the matter.

    Though the fact that JR9 shut up immediately after seems to indicate that might be the case.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1299. The trouble I have with this entire story is I think just about all the main players are lying in one way or another. It’s tough to figure anything out when everyone is being duplicitous.

    If JG in MA is actually unstable then things start to make crazy-logical sense.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1300. 1312 crosspatch

    Agreed

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1301. If someone called JG claiming to be Lee, someone could have called Lee claiming to be JG.

    We really don’t have anything other than some phone calls and what Stranahan says.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1302. 1319 crosspatch

    Well we always had to wonder about Lee’s concept of “proof” but now 1274 puts everything into question.

    But if we accept that Lee was just old Lee and was trying to find the truth and told us the truth, then JG called him, I think because she also talks to Preston a few times and then goes to the BPD. The discussion of continuity in her dealings on the phone and with BPD made most of us think it’s the same JG. And BPD would have verified that she’s a real person.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1303. 1306 –

    If it was intentional I’m shocked that Patterico is even on speaking terms. That’s some seriously dishonest sabotage.

    Comment by Johnny 5 is alive — 7/4/2011 @ 6:35 pm

    I liked Lee and listened to some of those blog radio shows (cat and all) and I don’t dislike him, but I really don’t get him making pronouncements of certainty based on a few data points. Patrick has done some serious biznitch-slapping of him on Twitter and I get the feeling it takes a lot to get Patrick to that level of action.

    Also on somewhat of a tangent, reading his comments to JG of California I can see where Lee could makes comments a little stronger than that and the person could take it as a threat. At this point I think Patrick’s scenario has to be the most likely since he is posting it and hinting he has evidence of it that isn’t public.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1304. # 1320

    I used to think that too but Lee clarified that the Detective that spoke with JG MA also mentioned Prof Hunter. So unless the JG hoaxer knew that JG would use the prof as a personal reference to Lee that line of the conspiracy has to go another layer deeper.

    Which would be that a hoaxer did call Lee but JG in MA is a willing accomplice of sorts and they worked out this little tid bit ahead of time. Which begs the question why wouldn’t she just call Lee and tell him what she wanted to tell him. What was the purpose of the hoaxer JG?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1305. 1317 – If JG in MA is actually unstable then things start to make crazy-logical sense.

    Comment by Johnny 5 is alive — 7/4/2011 @ 6:58 pm

    A huge amount of this is hidden and overlapping weirdness obviously, but some threads of it seem to make sense if you follow these theories:

    1 – Gennette was sexting Weiner and coordinated with him afterward on covering it up, as seen in the NY Post article.

    2 – Some of the Nikki Reed, et all accounts were from a young girl that was sexting him also, and coordinated with him afterward as seen in the Tommy Christopher “my mom vouches for it” article.

    3 – Neil Rauhauser was either brought in to help with the coverup or did it on his own, employing some of the underhanded/illegal tactics we have seen from the sockpuppets. Nikki gives account password to Weiner staffer who passes it on to operative Neil isn’t out of the question.

    All theories of course and I’m sure most are wrong, but it makes sense with what we have seen from Patrick and Gennette here. I could also see the JReid9 account and the Nikki Reid account being a troubled young liberal girl that did the Tommy Christopher stuff to protect Weiner, then came to this site out of spite for Gennette when she found out Gennette was playing her, or a bigger object of Weiner’s affection than she was, or whatever was rattling around her head at the moment.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1306. @ Kaisersoze

    Yeah, I’ve been following Lee since he started reporting on the Pigford case. I’ve listened to his BTR as well. I’m not sure that I dislike him now but to sock puppet the owner of a blog and potentially chase off the very person the owner brought on to answer peoples questions seems really, really odd. It makes me question what his intent is at this point.

    Clearly Patterico is still chasing something down. Perhaps Lee has hit a dead end and feels that any speculation beyond his conclusion hurts his case. Or he’s offended that not everyone has just accepted his version of things. He does misrepresent some theories as fact though. All that being said I still think his explanation makes the most sense.

    It’s just the more he gets angry about it the more I have to wonder why? Perhaps he’s just as impatient as the rest of us are for the final chapter.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1307. @ Kaisersoze

    Thanks for laying out the Neil angle. I hadn’t actually heard the theory from anyone. I know everyone keeps dropping the “Hi Neal” comments here and at Ace of Spades HQ but until now I wasn’t really seeing how he was involved.

    That theory actually makes quite a bit of sense as well. At this point I guess anything is possible and only time and LE will tell. Of course that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to keep poking hole in random theories. Who is Neil posting under in this thread?

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1308. Kaisersoze: There was no Nikki Reid if what Stranahan says is the truth. I mean, there was certainly someone posing to be a Nikki Reid and snatching photos off of Facebook to create a personna of Nikki Reid, but the account was created by Jenny George or so Stranahan says the person who may or may not have called him said.

    Someone named Jenny George obviously called BPD to complain about a threat that claimed to come from Stranahan. Is that *the* Jenny George and *a* Jenny George, who knows.

    The detective apparently mentioned some professor … according to Stranahan. Stranahan is the source of practically everything we have.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1309. 1274. Patterico

    Pat, izzat you? If so, you’ve been generous in your restrained response. Are you sure it had to be Lee? Does your blog protect use of your name?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1310. Where is false post under Patterico name?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  1311. And maybe Neil’s minions were in on it from the start, not “brought in” if the deal was to protect Huma from a philandering Weiner.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1312. jeffeneff here, conducting test.

    Patterico (707f3d)

  1313. 1328. Patterico removed the false post

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1314. 1327 jeff
    I’d be very disappointed if Pat assumed Lee did it without checking IPs or other verification.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1315. 1325 – Thanks for laying out the Neil angle. I hadn’t actually heard the theory from anyone.

    Comment by Johnny 5 is alive — 7/4/2011 @ 6:58 pm

    From what you read of his past (if accurate) this kind of stuff seems to fit a pattern and Mike has posted here that Neil threatened him by saying he had proof he had hacked Weiner, etc. He also brags on Twitter about having worked for Democratic campaigns sub rosa, it wouldn’t be a surprise to me if it turned out to be true.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1316. koam, likewise, but i showed you don’t need admin access

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1317. 1326 – Kaisersoze: There was no Nikki Reid if what Stranahan says is the truth.

    Comment by crosspatch — 7/4/2011 @ 7:28 pm

    Sorry, I meant the Twitter account labeled Nikki Reid. There is a huge amount of sockpuppetry and misdirection in this story obviously, sorry I wasn’t clear.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1318. “Patrick has done some serious biznitch-slapping of him on Twitter and I get the feeling it takes a lot to get Patrick to that level of action.”

    Kaisersoze – You are correct in the above assessment.

    I cannot recall the date of the errant comment, but could it have been a sockpuppet Friday name change snafu between threads?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1319. test [edit — since Molon Labe doesn’t make it clear, this was not me, but Molon Labe conducting a test]

    Patterico (dc676c)

  1320. Guess I have admin status. Good grief what a tool.

    Patterico (dc676c)

  1321. If Patterico is coming out an saying that Lee did that he must have double checked IP addresses. One thing I’ve noticed about Patterico is he’s very specific in his statements and has something to back them up with.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1322. It’s so simple, even a lib could do it.

    It’s me, crosspatch.

    Patterico (6adcc9)

  1323. I asked Lee on twitter if he did it accidentally or intentionally and never heard back from him. That would seem like something if you didn’t do it you’d adamantly deny. Gotta love the irony of it though.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1324. Have fun folks, we’re going out to our neighborhood park to watch the fireworks. Hope everyone on the East coast had a great 4th.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1325. daley testing

    Patterico (bf33e9)

  1326. if patterico goofed, he’ll own it.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1327. Time to repeat the rally music!

    Plodding on to 2,000.

    Patterico (bf33e9)

  1328. Oops, that was me.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1329. Re: #1294 koam @ wittier
    Thanks for the clarifications.
    So, Lee was going through JG’s and spotted someone with a background that fit some ideas he had and made direct inquiries? Then a person self-identifying as JG called him at a point where he assumed it was a direct response to his inquiries? Was/is there any evidence going from the account forward, or was it all the “Comedy of errors” and coincidence suggesting that this person was the account holder? In other words, aside from contacts leading to assumptions about the account holder’s identity, is there evidence going from the account to a specific JG person? I guess the related question there is this: the caller reportedly said they had opened the account but denied any connection to Weiner. As I understand it, the account didn’t have much in it to identify, so what evidence is there that the caller actually was the account creator? Is there anything that might lead elsewhere?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1330. On twitter Lee says it was an accidental posting.

    Stranahan Lee Stranahan
    Yes, a few days ago during one of the JohnReid Q&A sessions I made a comment that went up under Patterico’s name.

    Stranahan Lee Stranahan
    This happened because I was logged in as an Admin. I was logged in as an Admin because Patterico had asked me to read a draft of something.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1331. Those tests don’t have much meaning.

    I really think Pat knows how this works.

    koam @wittier (e74ff0)

  1332. “Those tests don’t have much meaning.

    I really think Pat knows how this works.”

    koam – Yes, but all the commenters don’t.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1333. Have a great Independence Day crosshatch! Happy 4th of July!

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1334. Happy Fourth of July! 😀

    Sue (24e46b)

  1335. I’m going to have to quit for tonight, but I have stray curiosity type questions.

    Despite the assertions of GC that she “knew” Nikki was fake and that is why she flirted, etc., that seems to be an assumption and/or possible misdirection.

    What if GC knew exactly what the account holder was, and the changes were implemented for some purpose other than “catching” Weiner? What if Weiner also knew?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1336. The blog owner can match IP addresses from people who post here. If I suddenly change my name and post under someone elses name he’d be able to match up my IP address.

    It was Lee that posted under Patterico’s name. He said it was on twitter and explained how it happened.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1337. Hackers comandeered –and bragged about it–a Fox News political twitter account earlier Monday. False tweets claimed Joe Biden now president. Scary stuff out there.

    Twitter is the devil. Why sane people use it and trust it is hard for me to understand.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/business/media/05fox.html?_r=1

    elissa (4a1b75)

  1338. By the way, I am waiting (reasonably patiently) for the end of the story… in the meantime, I am enjoying the wonderful discussions here… 😉

    Sue (24e46b)

  1339. Leee’s contention was that if Niiki Reid was fake then John Reid was her fake father and anything he provided would be subject to that same view.

    “What is his true motive, what is real vs fake”.

    However, JR9 did not run away because of Lee in my view but because of GC. The first parts of his doc dump look legit and GC confirmed many aspects but then he or someone provied additional items that GC claimed were false and after she asked if the emaile for Niiki was still good, well then you know the rest of the the JR9 story.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1340. I’m really hoping an alien theory comes out at some point. Just because I really enjoy the Sci Fi genre. 😉

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1341. http://swiftread.blogspot.com/2010/10/desperate-democrats-hire-progressive-e.html

    Desperate Democrats Hire Progressive E-Thugs

    Yes, Neal uses the term clients to describe his former employers who hired him to “handle their social media needs, specifically on twitter” PPST = Progressive Political Strategy for Twitter”

    In a recent article he said he had “44 clients in total” – only 15 were listed on PPST. And Greg & I are so discredited that Rauhauser lost every single “public” election that he worked on.

    And while some like McCain question whether there was proof of Rauhauser’s involvement – the above article provides more than enough proof for those willing to read it. Including Rauhauser’s own words from Daily Kos.

    “Twittergate” was not done by Greg nor I. It falsely assumed Neal was linked to Tea Party Tracker, funded by the NAACP. The producer of that video jumped our investigation and went off on a tangent. Why? Because the “beandogs” harassed them & put her reaction on the teaparty tracker hash tag.

    IN fact, Rauhauser was linked to Democrat Political Campaigns – as the above title says. Not the NAACP.

    SwifftRead (8612d7)

  1342. http://swiftread.blogspot.com/2010/10/democrat-cyber-stealth-revealed-neal.html

    “Democrat Cyber Stealth Revealed”

    Details more research on Neal, using his own online footprint. And how he hid the identities of foreign entities who interfered in our election process. Neal was reported to the FBI, but I never filed charges on him. And for the record, he never worked in Washington DC – he just had a cell phone that pointed here.

    SwifftRead (8612d7)

  1343. http://swiftread.blogspot.com/2010/10/hank-gilbert-texas-ag-candidate-hires.html

    Last bit of research on Rauhauser. This reveals how far left Rauhauser really is, including his endorsement of Perma-Culture, which lays way to preserving the world’s food supply and social engineering.

    There’s some more to it. If you’re interested in Neal’s twitter tactics, simply look at the below photo album. Neal& his people making death threats are nothing new to twitter.

    http://swiftread.blogspot.com/2010/10/slide-show-progressive-psts-neal.html

    SwifftRead (8612d7)

  1344. yes, VOR2, at that point, I had a very high opinion of Lee.

    Unfortunately, I think Patterico was too busy with work to carefully consider my concerns about Lee when I realized there might be a problem with the way this person handles private communication or the way he selects which detailed to bring forward.

    Seeing what I’ve recently noticed, where Patterico is upset that Lee is asking critical questions he already knows the answer to, regarding Patterico’s ‘follow up’ reminds me of how Lee handled an issue with me.

    I had recently gotten frustrated with how Lee handled one of his PatriotUSA suspects, and how he admitted to lying, and then issued what Lee has described to me as an apology, but clearly was the opposite of an apology… it was a rationalization. But people offer fake apologies all the time, and I just wanted to make clear I wasn’t able to count on his word, especially on this story, until he’s shown he’s worth trust again.

    Later, I explained I was deleting a joke twitter account meant to show some support for PatriotUSA76 because Lee informed me he was being threatened (at that point he made it sound like violent threats, but I’m not sure if that’s accurate). I explained I couldn’t support that sort of behavior, but Lee omitted that explanation and conveyed the twitter account deletion as though it was linked to whatever the news of the day was with John Reid. I think Lee thought he had John’s IP address (maybe he did… I don’t know or care). I found the way he cleverly mentioned some detailed to be extremely dishonest, and even a bit scary, because it linked me to characters I think are unsavory. Soon, I learned Lee had been telling his ‘radio’ audience he had some awful secret about me, as in “Dustin” (which is my name). When I challenged Lee directly, he had nothing of the sort (that I already knew). He was relying on something I had confided to him, but spinning it ridiculously. All he knew was that I had this particular twitter account.

    So he was spinning the same fact in two completely opposite directions at the same exact time. On the one hand, this twitter account’s deletion was spun as though it was linked to John Reid (again, he knew it wasn’t… he knew it was me and he knew it was removed to avoid being associated with someone Lee was having a serious problem with). On the other hand, the account was spun as a secret proving I’m dishonest (nothing I said on the account was different than what I’d say here).

    I know this is a minor issue. But he certainly didn’t make it sound minor, and some of his loyalists soon showed just how seriously they took his stupid commentary.

    So I explained to Patterico my concerns, and he wanted us to deal with the issue on our own (which is perfectly fair, but I worried he was not grasping my complaints at the time as a word of caution).

    Anyway, Lee has it in him to be an awesome journalist, but when he’s challenged or frustrated, his doesn’t handle it well. It was clear at the time that how he was treating me was intended to be a response to the fact I had challenged his integrity, linking specific grounds that didn’t make him look so great. Instead of showing me I was wrong, he showed me I was right. Since then, he’s moved on to ticking a lot of other people off in ways that make my complaint seem even smaller than it did then.

    But still, the fact is that he was unable to maintain a confidence between us, he was willing to selectively provide details in a harmful way, and he was reckless with someone’s reputation in the context of a matter he acts as though he takes seriously.

    Hopefully he learns his lesson, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1345. The blog owner can match IP addresses from people who post here. If I suddenly change my name and post under someone elses name he’d be able to match up my IP address.

    No. Not really. Some providers use NAT meaning that thousands of users may appear to come from only a few IP addresses. Others might use proxies that make for the same problem. Or the IP address you appear to come from might change every time you connect to the Internet. Or you might be using a VPN which masks your IP address.

    IP address means very little these days.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1346. Well, I will qualify that. For SOME people the IP address can be traced back to at least their ISP and sometimes to them. Others can be much more difficult.

    It just isn’t the same in all cases so it isn’t safe to make assumptions that you can track someone’s IP address back to them.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1347. Anyway, Lee has it in him to be an awesome journalist, but when he’s challenged or frustrated, his doesn’t handle it well.

    Comment by Dustin — 7/4/2011 @ 9:12 pm

    Agree, I know its petty but the point of him calling Patterico posters “crazy” and “pretending” about JReid9 was pretty annoying to me. Its funny too that we are all crazy if we didn’t accept his statements on Nikki/John Reid as gospel but now his story on his post that set Patrick off is “Oh, I forgot I was logged in as an admin, though I had posted under my own name dozens of times already”.

    He is also on Twitter asking why JReid would be giving info to a conservative blog as if there is only one answer (his). Here is another possible answer – because this is the blog Gennette was posting on and the aim of that person was to get back at Gennette. And why would they post one of the liberal blogs when they were either ignoring the story or still on the “Breitbart hacked Weiner” meme?

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1348. But still, the fact is that he was unable to maintain a confidence between us, he was willing to selectively provide details in a harmful way, and he was reckless with someone’s reputation in the context of a matter he acts as though he takes seriously.

    Yeah, this all sounds familiar. Every word of it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1349. I don’t think anyone would want to “get back” at Gennette. I mean, if JG created the account then Nikki Reid doesn’t exist. The Nikki Reid name was added to an account and pictures were swiped off of Facebook to create a persona. JG has allegedly admitted that she created Starchild111. Who is “getting back” at Gennette?

    This smells to me like someone was just trying to keep people off of Jenny George’s scent. I think the notion being that once they appeared to be a normal American family with an infatuated daughter, things would settle down, attention would focus back on Weiner and the heat would be off. Except someone made a Jenny George connection and then Stranahan says she admitted to creating the account. That blew JR9’s attempt at damage control out of the water.

    JR9 put enough stuff out there to show that he had access to some stuff that the owner of the account would have access to. Find out who JR9 is and my guess is you find out who was tweeting as Nikki or are very close to finding that out.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1350. You guys are correct. You don’t have to have admin status to post a comment claiming to be me.

    If you do so, however, without making it clear it’s not me, you are subject to being banned.

    I found out about the Patterico comment from JohnReid9. I was appalled. As I always am when I see a comment on my site under my name that is not from me.

    Please stop doing it, even as a test. I don’t like it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1351. What I love is the position: JohnReid9 should not be given any voice at Patterico. We know that because he is a liar. Why, some of the proof we have that he is a liar is from information he provided because he had a voice at Patterico!

    I do not publicly subscribe to the position that JohnReid9 is a liar, by the way. I will say that even though he has apparently disappeared completely and is giving me no more information or emails. I will simply repeat what I have said perhaps a hundred bajillion times: whether he is really a father of a child improperly approached by Weiner, or a hoaxster (JG or someone else), his views, statements, and information are NEWS.

    And as long as those views, statements, and information are presented by someone who REPEATEDLY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN says he is not vouching for JohnReid9, I don’t see what the possible harm is. If he is a huge liar, the commentariat will see it.

    And if he says something in public at odds with what he says in private, I can pounce. Of course, with people committing crimes right and left, I may choose to leave that information to law enforcement instead of a bunch of blog speculation. But as always, my devotion will be and will always remain to the truth.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1352. Did JR9 traffic originate from the LA area? That is where Nikki claimed to live.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1353. But that might not mean much.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1354. Did JR9 traffic originate from the LA area? That is where Nikki claimed to live.

    That is not the kind of question I am going to answer.

    If he is an innocent man, he does not deserve to have that revealed.

    If he is not — if he is, in fact, Jennifer George or Neal R. or Patriot or all or none of the above, but/and/or somehow complicit in criminal activity — I am sure law enforcement can figure it out.

    So why discuss it on a blog?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1355. From Lee’s twitter feed a few hours ago:

    “@Stranahan Lee Stranahan
    And the day I need to show ‘self restraint’ to protect a liar trying to bring down my friends is the day I quit. So I did. @cshenkel”

    Protecting journalist or blogger friends is more important than revealing truth in the story is what I believe Lee is really saying there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1356. No, daley, I think he is making some obscure point about not humoring JohnReid9.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1357. Ok, I wasn’t looking at it from a criminal perspective and in that light, yeah, that changes things. I was looking at it from a different, more social perspective.

    We have a conflict. We have a person who says he is Nikki Reid’s father and she was using the Starchild account who claimed to be in LA (though a person can claim to be from anywhere on a Twitter account).

    We also allegedly have someone on the opposite coast that says she created the account. I wasn’t looking for anything too exact, just wondering from which coast the traffic came.

    It was one of those “if you want people to believe you, some parts of what you say need to check out or at least some parts of what the other person claims needs to be shown to be false”. Not in a court of law, mind you, but from a more informal social setting.

    Any time one views a website, they must certainly know that the owner of the site potentially has an IP address where the traffic appears to originate (that isn’t always accurate but it is usually close, same coast, same continent, same country).

    Its ok, it was just a question I had in my mind.

    Trying to figure out which one is lying.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1358. “No, daley, I think he is making some obscure point about not humoring JohnReid9.”

    Patterico – I understand that and don’t that point is all that obscure. He feels that giving JR9 a platform helps bring down his friends in some way, but there was nothing, unless you two had an agreement, to prevent Lee from asking JR9 questions or challenging him while JR9 was commenting on your blog.

    As another commenter mentioned earlier, giving the participants enough rope to hang themselves, in this case exposing lies or contradictions in their own stories or those of others, is a time honored strategy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1359. Everyone should go read Neal Rauhauser’s latest.

    Apparently, my wife is now a suspect, per Neal.

    Then again, Neal is relying on the word of . . . drumroll . . . Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber.

    Go ahead. Google it.

    That is Neal Rauhauser’s big source. A guy who went to federal prison. Apparently Neal thinks that gives him credibility.

    Which I find . . . interesting.

    Hi, Neal!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1360. It can’t be said enough:

    “Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber.”

    Put those words into Google, and marvel at the source Neal Rauhauser is using to slander me.

    “Brett Kimberlin, Speedway Bomber.”

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1361. Over/under on how long it will take for that post to go private?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1362. Patterico,

    Do you have any dogs? If you do, they just might be suspected of being Nikki’s sockpuppy…odd things I ponder ; )

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1363. I’m at a loss to figure out why Lee is so opposed to letting JR9 potentially hang himself by screwing up and saying something that can be shown as factually wrong.

    There are so many ‘private conversations’ spoken about that I can’t help but wonder why bringing some of them into the light creates so much consternation for Lee.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1364. “In journalism it is simpler to sound off than it is to find out. It is more elegant to pontificate than it is to sweat.” -Harold Evans

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1365. re 1309/@crosspatch and others talking about Lee “seeing” the comment:

    Hope Lee doesn’t mind me pointing this out, but he doesn’t “see” well these days. He is visually impaired.

    Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out. I have not read all the comments.

    Lizbuddie (133456)

  1366. “Every journalist who is not too stupid or too full of himself to notice what is going on knows that what he does is morally indefensible. He is a kind of confidence man, preying on people’s vanity, ignorance, or loneliness, gaining their trust and betraying them without remorse.” -Janet Malcolm

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1367. “The journalists have constructed for themselves a little wooden chapel, which they also call the Temple of Fame, in which they put up and take down portraits all day long and make such a hammering you can’t hear yourself speak.” -G.C. Lichtenberg

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1368. “In the real world, nothing happens at the right place at the right time. It is the job of journalists and historians to correct that.”- Mark Twain

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1369. “If, for instance, they have heard something from the postman, they attribute it to a semi-official statement; if they have fallen into conversation with a stranger at a bar, they can conscientiously describe him as a source that has hitherto proved unimpeachable. It is only when the journalist is reporting a whim of his own, and one to which he attaches minor importance, that he defines it as the opinion of well-informed circles.”- Evelyn Waugh

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1370. “If it is not right, do not do it. If it is not true, do not say it.” -Marcus Aurelius

    “Beware of anyone who says they know. Trust me, they don’t, or they wouldn’t have to say they did.” -Harvey Fierstein

    QuoteOfTheDay (786412)

  1371. Janet Malcolm’s name has crossed my mind more than once of late.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1372. Stran…

    Stran -ahan…

    Stran -ded Wind…

    See? I’m as good a detective as Neal!

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1373. This thread is starting to look like day six of a lost weekend.

    Kinda whiffy too.

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  1374. Neal uses the word of bomber who tried to kill people over a person who puts criminals in prison to make life safe so Neal can live in safety to safely smear those who make him safe

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1375. Pat,

    It is no excuse for Lee’s revelations of information you told him in confidence, but consider for a moment the public/private aspects of this kerfuffle.

    Unfortunately in blogs, the general consensus of the comments section can come to define reality – or at least define reality as conventional wisdom sees it. Lee had a theory that was opposed to the conventional wisdom on this blog. I think his theory is a better and more elegant fit to the public evidence than any other theory on the table. But Lee’s best efforts were unable to move the needle on conventional wisdom as defined by your commenters. He was, even prior to all the nastiness, roughly handled.

    Lee was concerned that you were being carried off into la-la land. He’s entitled to that opinion, and, if he holds it, it’s legitimate for him to try to persuade you that your line of thought is nuts. The harsh message, “Explain to me how I know that a normally rational person hasn’t been kidnapped and had their blog account taken over by conspiracy theorist?” is a perfectly fine thing to say to a friend – in a private email. Lee’s error was to do this all this publicly.

    Why do it publicly? Well, his posts are aimed, it seems to me, at breaking the conventional wisdom in the comments section of this blog. Why? Because the commenters’ conventional wisdom seems to define reality. Because getting through to the commenters became synonymous with getting through to you. I think that if the situations were reversed you can see the ease of the mistake – Lee headed, you think, off the deep end, helped on his way by an crowd of approving yes-men. Break the consensus of the crowd and maybe you get through to Lee.

    It was a mistake, an error of focus. He should have been as harsh as he wanted in private emails to you, made his case in measured tones on this blog, and sucked up his failure to persuade the commenters. A step as drastic as the one he took may have been called for if you were at risk of doing yourself serious injury – not if you were merely at risk of being wrong about the identity and motive of sock puppets.

    You have been unfailingly respectful towards Lee and had every right to expect that he would take the same line towards you. But it is far easier to be magnanimous when the world is on your side.

    I’m not saying that Lee’s error of focus should be excused – I’m just saying that it was an easy one to make.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1376. Nathan Wagner – People are still waiting for the evidence dump on Lee’s elegant spurned lover/sexter theory or a rational explanation of the harm done by allowing JR9 to comment here. So far, crickets.

    Care to address?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1377. daleyrocks,

    Lee’s theory is speculative. There is no direct evidence for that specific motive – any more than there is direct evidence that the whole thing was a sting on Breitbart. However, Lee’s theory does, to my mind, do the best job of explaining starchild111’s single minded (and I think malevolent) pursuit of Weiner on one end, and the same person/group’s attempt to trick Breitbart after the scandal broke. A purely political motive does not explain the malevolence both toward Weiner and toward Breitbart. But we’ve discussed this before.

    I disagree with Lee as to allowing JR9 to comment here. I could understand the concern if Lee was afraid Pat was buying swallowing JR9’s line whole, but Pat’s theory required – if anything – that he be even more cautious in dealing with JR9 than he should have been if the puppeteer was a woman with personal motives. Lee felt that Pat was at risk. The more I think about it, given Pat’s theory, the less that makes sense.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1378. To nathan wagner in #1396 the harm done is in credibility. Pattericos, the posters here and by association Lee’s. Believe me. It is gone. To anyone outside, you all have become ridiculous. Lee included for his reaction to your nonsense. And to those who are all wah wah he scared “John Reid” off. Really? Not the demands for phone calls and video of him or her in the same strings of comments? Has Lee completely lost his mind and perspective? yep! But so have most of you! You should all read Krauthammer’s take on Occam’s Razor.

    Amanda Lynn (d3e2bd)

  1379. Nathan @1397 – So while Lee advanced theories with evidence, Patterico remained agnostic, preferring to let events develop, yet you choose to find fault with Patterico’s approach. You have a right to your opinion. Lee was not universally criticized on the threads here and a wide variety of theories have been discussed. The most frequent criticism of Lee’s work was for not documenting his conclusions, which he himself admitted to doing, so don’t find fault with the commenters. Point your finger back at Lee.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1380. 1395 1397 Nathan

    We’re all entitled to having different theories about what happened, motives, etc.

    But you’re advocating that some parties, if they think they are thinking more clearly than other parties, should intervene and take actions beyond just expressing their opinions, respectfully.

    We don’t need people jumping in and doing things for each other, because they think they know better.

    Opinions yes, actions, no.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1381. 1395 Nathan

    There were plenty of posters here and elsewhere who agreed with Lee’s POV re: JR9 disclosures, theories, etc. People both pro and con to Lee’s theories and opinions existed every day. One of the most common was, “Lee, I can see your theory may be right, but you mix up what you consider to be proof. Sometime’s it’s factual proof but other times it’s ‘well it agrees with my theory so it’s true – or it doesn’t so it must be a lie’ as proof. And many participants didn’t like agree second standard for proof.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1382. daleyrocks,

    I don’t fault Patterico’s approach at all, nor was I trying to assign blame to the commenters. My purpose was only to say that Lee’s mistake – I’ll call it that – to aim at the commenters was an understandable one to make.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1383. koam,

    To be clear, I believe Lee’s public harshness and revelations of private communications were errors.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1384. Amanda Lynn, The problem here is that someone has to be lying. There can’t both be a real Nikki Reid using the starchild account AND the account belonging to Jenny George.

    So someone has to be telling a fib. Now the fact that the Nikki Reid personna was bolstered by photographs stolen from people’s facebook profile just ads to the mystery. Why did someone go through so much trouble to fake that?

    I am not interested in burning anyone or defaming anyone, I am interested in finding out who the heck was using the starchild111 account just to set the story straight.

    This could, I believe, had been cleared up quickly and easily via private conversations with P without anything being made public. But it hasn’t. That keeps open the possibility that there is some reason why the people in involved in this appear to not want to be known by anyone.

    That there is deception and people aren’t being forthcoming increases the curiosity.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  1385. “To be clear, I believe Lee’s public harshness and revelations of private communications were errors.”

    Nathan – Then what is all the other BS in 1395?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1386. daleyrocks,

    The point was perspective – was to say to Pat that Lee’s errors were easy errors to make. Nothing more.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1387. “The point was perspective – was to say to Pat that Lee’s errors were easy errors to make. Nothing more.”

    Nathan – My take on it was to slam the comment section here for being an echo chamber on this story, which it has demonstrably not been. You may want to consider revising and extending that comment.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1388. Who always wanted Lee & Pat to be against each other?

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1389. Certainly it wasn’t an echo chamber, but here’s Patterico @414:

    As long as a bunch of commenters I never heard of before agree, that is what matters.

    Pay no attention to the way an alternate theory explains everything.

    Patterico was discounting the dissent as not coming from the regulars. I understand Lee to have wanted to crack the consensus of the commenters Patterico would have felt had more sway.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1390. Have a good day, gentlemen. I’m off to other things.

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  1391. Nathan @1395-

    I think many of the points you make show good insight about blog dynamics in general and about the current Lee/Patterico dynamic in specific. Thank you. That such a promising venture – opportunity- relationship-collaboration- (whatever you want to call Lee’s guest posting on Patterico’s site) went so wrong muchly because of private confidences which were breached and tweet blasts that were made and exchanged in anger, is quite sad.

    Just another example of why I think twitter is the devil! Because without the availability of twitter much of the ugliness would have taken place and been ironed out over a private phone call or a private email between Lee and Pat (and Jen and Tommy and Ron, etc.). Instead, it was all out in the open for both friend and foe to see. Twitter just makes it way too easy for folks in the heat of emotion to dig and taunt and choose sides and retweet and draw deep lines in sand that are hard to be erased later. Twitter makes it just way too easy for people to embarrass themselves and reveal themselves in uncomfortable ways. With a mere slip of the tweet, twitter makes it too easy to create enemies both personally and professionally.

    The last thing I want to mention is I’ve found most commenters on Patterico to be smart and interesting and fair. There’ve been countless occasions where people have voluntarily corrected the substance of an incorrect statement they have made previously, or apologized for a comment that was misunderstood. I never viewed there to be any “conventional wisdom” on this blog that needed to be overcome by Lee. Maybe that’s because I guess I never saw the questioning of aspects of Lee’s theory by some commenters to be a rejection of it as much as a plea for more info or proof to help solidify it. I was one of them because I am a person who demands verification and facts before I sign on to almost anything in life. I look at the Weinergate “investigation” and sharing of info among the blogs and blog readers to be both a process of elimination and a journey to get to a solution–not a win/lose battle between clear cut and fully formed theories (because there are no fully formed solutions yet as far as I can tell.) Again, Nathan, thanks for pointing out how Lee may have taken this far differently (as an attack on him.)

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1392. Attention Regular Commenters:

    Which of you were

    1) sticking up for the bulk of Lee’s theory in general (JG=Reids=Patriot=probably spurned female liberal fan/follower/adorer of AW, now seeking revenge on AW as main motivation),

    and/or

    2) were openly critical of JR9’s docs being published here and Patterico’s stance as neither confirming or denying the veracity of docs or belief in JR9.

    (One or both of the above would suffice, just say which.)

    Thanks

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1393. 1395 –

    He was, even prior to all the nastiness, roughly handled.

    omment by Nathan Wagner — 7/5/2011 @ 8:21 am

    If being “roughly handled” means a failure of posters here to fall on their knees and worship him as a God among Men, then yes – he was roughly handled.

    Failing to agree 100% is not the same thing as “rough handling”, especially on the Internet

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1394. 1412 – Which of you were

    1) sticking up for the bulk of Lee’s theory in general (JG=Reids=Patriot=probably spurned female liberal fan/follower/adorer of AW,

    Yes


    now seeking revenge on AW as main motivation),

    No, I think there are a dozen things that could be that person’s motivation

    and/or

    2) were openly critical of JR9′s docs being published here and Patterico’s stance as neither confirming or denying the veracity of docs or belief in JR9.

    Nope.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  1395. Koam @1412

    Weinergate is above my pay grade.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (a18ddc)

  1396. 1414. kaisersoze

    Thanks for your reply to 1412 and for explaining.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1397. “Patterico was discounting the dissent as not coming from the regulars.”

    Nathan – I disagree. I think Patterico was disagreeing with commenters telling people to shut up because there was no room for theories other than Lee’s and it was a waste of time to give JR9 a forum.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1398. “Attention Regular Commenters:

    Which of you were”

    koam @wittier – Witch hunt?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1399. That’s an accurate sum-up, Daleyrocks.

    It got old seeing the exact same lines parroted from one new commenter after another. Also, it really seemed like all these people made similar errors in describing what was going on with interacting with JR.

    Anyhow, when someone notes a theory is unproven, and can show a plausible alternative, it shouldn’t upset people so much.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1400. 1418 daleyrocks

    There was talk that most supporters of Lee’s positions here were random new people and that the regulars weren’t showing him any support. I see you are addressing that in 1417.

    My thought is that there were regular commenters who both agreed with Lee’s positions (prior to the bigger rift) and those who didn’t. Some leaned toward Lee’s conclusions, if not his support for those conclusions.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1401. I think that’s fair, Koam. I think a lot of regulars here didn’t want to give JR the time of day, and very few, if any, were outright disclaiming Lee’s scorned woman possibility.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1402. koam @1420 – Let me ask you a question. You appeared out of nowhere here on this story. I find no history of you commenting under your nick on blogs.

    Where did you come from and who are you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1403. I could make a similar comment about many of the other newcomers who became active on threads here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1404. 1422 daleyrocks

    I think my comments speak for themselves. I hadn’t heard of Pat & Lee & Ace before but I saw the Weiner story getting more involved and this is where it moved to a few weeks ago, so here I am.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1405. elissa @1411

    Thanks much for your comment. I can see that I’ve riled people up here, which was not really my intent. You write:

    The last thing I want to mention is I’ve found most commenters on Patterico to be smart and interesting and fair. There’ve been countless occasions where people have voluntarily corrected the substance of an incorrect statement they have made previously, or apologized for a comment that was misunderstood. I never viewed there to be any “conventional wisdom” on this blog that needed to be overcome by Lee. Maybe that’s because I guess I never saw the questioning of aspects of Lee’s theory by some commenters to be a rejection of it as much as a plea for more info or proof to help solidify it.

    That’s probably the way most of the other commenters viewed it as well, legitimate probing. My impression was that Lee felt his theory – or at least the part of it which said the Jenny who called him and the Jenny who filed the police report were the same person – ought to have been viewed as inherently more likely than theories invoking suppositional hoaxers to explain away the phone call he received. Requesting hard proof of the identity of the (real) Jennys while appearing to be more lenient toward the notional hoaxer theory seemed to Lee not to be good sense. And it bothered him that he could convince neither Pat nor the commenters in general that it was not good sense.

    I don’t think the teasing apart of Lee’s evidence and his theories was out of line at all. I do think that doing so in service of a theory with greater evidentiary deficiencies is to apply an unbalanced scrutiny. (Patterico says he has evidence we haven’t seen, and I admit that may change the picture.)

    Lee would have helped himself to speak more in probabilities.

    Finally – to all – I’ll offer an apology. My remark in 1395 intended to describe Lee’s impression, “a crowd of approving yes-men,” was a rhetorical flourish I should have avoided. I’ll stand behind “a majority especially of regulars more critical of the less hypothetical explanation.” That’s as far as I should have gone.

    Nathan Wagner (e017b3)

  1406. I’m not a regular commenter really (came here from Aces site). I have stated that I think Lee’s theory is the most plausible. Mostly because the police report seems like such a crazy development.

    I am/was not critical of the JR stuff because I believe them to be a sock (however you see the motivations)and think it’s interesting insight into what is/was going on.

    I follow this story because the mystery etc. is interesting to me. I don’t pretend to think I know every in and out of this story. Patterico is just as likely to be right. I just think Lee’s scenario seems more plausible.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1407. Wow. Just wow.
    I knew that if you even questioned the left you are labeled, tagged and hung out but wow. Scary,sick, sad stuff.
    Does anyone know why the heck he posted the email exg w lee? What was the point of that all he said was “Doesn’t bother me”

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1408. daleyrocks — 7/5/2011 @ 12:39 pm

    I’ve come over from Twitter – I have to admit some puzzlement at the Koam j’accuse. I thought
    everyone knew.

    I thought it was obvious and in the open. I’m surprised at the apparent surprise.

    Koam stands for “King of All Media” – and he had a tweet list of all Stern people.

    –FWIW, I’ve been operating under the assumption that he was {certain name}Stern guy. I didn’t think it was hidden.

    It’s been so long since I looked up Koam

    SarahW (af7312)

  1409. {certain name}do you mean Benjy?

    I’m just a fan. I don’t work there or anything.

    Benjy is the guy who was at the two press conferences. His twitter is @Bronk.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1410. 1428. Point of minor interest, J’accuse is the defense, not the accusation.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1411. “I’ve come over from Twitter – I have to admit some puzzlement at the Koam j’accuse. I thought
    everyone knew.

    I thought it was obvious and in the open. I’m surprised at the apparent surprise.”

    SarahW – Sorry, not obvious to me at all. After all, we’ve had socks supporting the posts of socks in the past. What caused me to question koam this morning was his incredible comment on the Rauhauser thread wondering why anybody should be spending any time looking at him at this point.

    There are a number of folks here with no history I find. Does that mean new nicks or new twitter a/c’s for this story? You tell me.

    I did subsequently find info on Koam.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1412. “Point of minor interest, J’accuse is the defense, not the accusation.”

    jeffeneff – Correction. “J’accuse” is french for “I accuse” or a denunciation. You may be thinking of Emile Zola’s 1898 letter in which he ACCUSED the french military of covering up the mistaken conviction of Dreyfus. In that manner it was a defense of Dreyfus, but an accusation of the military.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1413. 1430 It means literally “I accuse”, but yeah it was an accusation Zola leveled against the imprisoners of Dreyfus.

    It’s seems to me Koam was being accused

    SarahW (af7312)

  1414. @ daleyrocks

    I’m new commenting here as well. I’ve commented a lot at I Own The World blog some at Dummie Funnies and Lee’s Blog. My name has morphed from Johnny 5 is alive to Honey Badger DGAS. Although I just started out on Twitter which is where I’ve been spending most of my time. It’s like mainlining the news.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1415. 1432, 1433 right, i just felt that it was a reversal of sorts of the analogy at hand.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1416. Daleyrocks,
    Was that a rhetorical “you tell me”?

    Because if I told you I’d say there are and have been for some while, concerned and interested trolls and socks playing around in the mix of newer commenters. I just try to step over them really.

    Koam is new in his way, but I didn’t think his identity or connection to Stern was any secret. His FB is even linked to his twitter which I don’t even know how to do.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1417. Please note that my view of 1) the value-benefit ratio of giving “John Reid” a forum of any kind and 2) of working on outside chance alternate theories changed significantly after I found out that JG had gone to the Boston police and filed charges naming me, in addition to trying to get the police to stop me from talking about JG. The whole story entered a new phase for me at that point.

    Discussing things like whether I ACTUALLY talked to a planted JG who was part of Neal’s army of female hackers isn’t just a novel concept to banter about, it’s now potentially a confusing element that could slow the investigation and apprehension of a person who exists in the real world and is intent on causing real harm to me, my family and my friends.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  1418. I googled
    koam site:patterico.com – 1,290 results
    @wittier site:patterico.com – 590
    koam @wittier site:patterico.com – 572
    koam site:leestranahan.com – 171
    etc.

    Way too many, I know, I know.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1419. Lee

    Blogging and police investigations – they don’t mix

    disclosing confidential conversations – and trying to garner sympathy – ditto

    making claims about those conversations that are contrarian – well you know…

    look – this may not be the forum to discuss this – it seems you are seeking a negative reaction for some validation – whih – rarely happens on the internet as well

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1420. Johnny 5 is alive–

    I’ve enjoyed seeing your comments both here and at Stranahan’s blog, and definitely hope you stick around. But why do people keep ignoring my good advice? Twitter is the devil! 🙂

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1421. This place needs some testosterone.

    YeahIwentthere (786412)

  1422. Twitter sucks, I agree, but it has become a necessary evil. I use tweetdeck but even with lists i can’t see most of what i want in just a few columns. I can’t see my own tweets unless I include @mention of someone else who is covered in another column. Maybe I just don’t know how to manage TweetDeck correctly. I certainly have to pop open new tabs at Twitter to follow certain conversations.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1423. elissa – I’m inclined to agree wrt Twitter

    Nathan Wagner (e017b3)

  1424. Weiner sucks BIG Time
    There… I said it and the same
    goes for skipper wife!

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1425. “Was that a rhetorical “you tell me”?”

    SarahW – No it was not.

    I was attempting to explain myself.

    Does something remain unclear?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1426. I am not engaging in tit for tat.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  1427. elissa – Not on twitter or Facebook. I refuse.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1428. Lee,

    I sincerely hope you two can bury the hatchet sooner rather than later.

    Nathan Wagner (e017b3)

  1429. I am not engaging in tit for tat.

    No, it is actually worse than that.

    Scott Jacobs (6ab327)

  1430. I’m not at all criticizing you – I hope that’s clear. Was just puzzled about the Koam thing.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1431. “in addition to trying to get the police to stop me from talking about JG.”

    Lee, did she specifically ask police to get you to stop talking about her? (As opposed to that being an imputed motive of her police report.)

    SarahW (af7312)

  1432. I like Koam. I have no idea where he’s from, but he has no idea where I came from either.

    I thought Daley was making a sarcastic reference to the level of mistrust we’re all dealing with.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1433. Thanks elissa,

    I’d have to agree twitter is evil but it’s the fastest way to find out what’s going on in the blog-o-sphere and news-o-sphere. So many links to so many stories pop up there. I quit FB more than a year ago, it is indeed the devil.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1434. The detective told me that when he interviewed her, she wanted the police to get me to stop talking — to which he replied “First Amendment”

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  1435. Lee

    I thought you were not going to talk about this unless it was being resolved or almost resolved

    how many days hours did that last?

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1436. Dear Eric,

    Thanks for your comment. Our entire staff here at the Criticize Everything Lee Says Or Does department really appreciates your feedback. We have noted your complaint and want to you know that we have passed it on to management. Please don’t hesitate to contact us again the next time you have another helpful remark!

    Best Regards,
    John Smith
    Customer Relations at C.E.L.S.O.D.
    Bangalore, India

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  1437. Lee – Yay police.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1438. A flame war might get this thread to 2000! 🙂

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1439. Comment by koam @wittier — 7/5/2011 @ 6:47 pm

    OK, buddy. You do what you gotta do. But remember that using twitter is like standing nekkid in the middle of Times Square. Not to mention that managing tweetdeck is a whole lot of frustrating hard work, and confining thoughts to 140 characters makes it real easy to be misunderstood. Be careful out there and don’t say you were not warned! 🙂

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1440. Re: Flame war

    Okay, I’ll start. Johnny 5, your eyeshades are crooked, your wiring is off, and your cultural references are so ’80s.

    Nathan Wagner (e017b3)

  1441. @ Nathan

    You don’t know Jack…Wagner and your hair looks like a Flock of Seagulls.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1442. Lee–

    I’m glad you’re here. I have a question if you feel comfortable answering it–and if you don’t, I understand. Do you think the same person who called you and then went to the police about you is the same person who sent death threats to Ace and Pat?

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1443. “I’m not at all criticizing you – I hope that’s clear. Was just puzzled about the Koam thing.”

    Sarah – I know, I tried to explain where it came from.

    When we get inundated with new commenters and you don’t know who is who, it is sometimes very easy to check where they have been active before. With this group, no such luck in most cases.

    Does that tell me they are disguising identities to comment here, using new nicks, or what? koam dropped something from his handle which made it easier to identify him. Others, who knows where they have come from.

    koam’s comment this morning threw me for a loop. Perhaps it is lack of familiarity with Kimberlin/Friedman story, but after Swiftread links last night, the idea that nobody should have an interest in stepped up Rauhauser involvement in this story is laughable.

    No mystery here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1444. Lee – Call Neal Rauhauser

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1445. 1463. daleyrocks.

    You realize that not everyone has read everything that you read last night.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1446. Lee

    Okay then – here we go – you I am not criticising you just pointing out the obvious

    You wrote on July 3rd this on your own blog:

    Unless some major news breaks soon I’m done writing, talking or commenting about #Weinergate for the foreseeable future. It’s in the hands of law enforcement at this point.

    Patterico and I have a lot more in common on this story than separates us.

    annnd now you are talking about it….

    And of course there’s all that twitting nonsense too

    please spare us the melodrama

    we are not the enemy and I never questioned anything you said until you disclosed confidential information and conversations in writing

    So go ahead and be sarcastic – but I cannot see anyone ever EVER engging you when you resort to this level of childishness – its breathtaking, really – if you want a career in blogging – violating your for s better word “benefactors” trust and confidentiality – this might be a deal breaker

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1447. elissa, if it makes you feel better, I’ve had your ‘twitter is the devil’ comments in mind as I’ve decided not to bother with it anymore. Aside from trying to follow updates. It’s kinda a cop-out. You can state your conclusion, and because it’s twitter… no room for a fleshed out argument. They might as well limit users to emoticons.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1448. “You realize that not everyone has read everything that you read last night.”

    koam – Why not? If they haven’t, they should!!!!

    Does this stuff need to be spoon fed to you people? Heh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1449. @daleyrocks

    I would be an example of a new commenter.

    I’ve been reading Patterico for several years now.
    Six years would be about right. I’ve also read your comments on a few other blogs. I’ve been a lurker for all these years. This story drew me in. I’m sure it was the same for a few others.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1450. 1466. Eric

    Lee’s been through a lot. I’d cut him some slack about whether he wants to participate or not.

    Frankly, I’m glad to hear what’s going on.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1451. Oh, and by the way! A heads up. I wouldn’t get into a discussion with EPWJ. He doesn’t argue in good faith.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1452. Lee, I am sorry you are going through what you are. As a victim of crime, I completely understand how hard it is. I hope law enforcement gets to the bottom of it.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  1453. Thumbs up for KOAM ( I like the King Of All Media Ref) Stern fan since 1986.
    Many faves and smart/knowledgable people on this site.

    goatsred (b20383)

  1454. I like to eat like a rainbow

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1455. KOAM

    I dont think so, it seems to be some good old self serving pity party blog style

    He described a guy who has too look at cases every damn day of wrecked families victims and lives and dral with it and then just asks – asks that you not

    A. post crap in his name
    B. Violate his confidentiality

    And then he gets into it with a woman on twitter who is a professional researcher for the most prestigious firms, someone who has overcome poverty, illness, hardships upon hardships and gets ugly with her as well

    yeah cry a river

    boo hoo

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1456. @ Dustin you nailed it about Twitter. I like it for the access to what people blogging think or discover in real time but the 120 characters isn’t conducive to a conversation.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  1457. Pat and Lib chick deserve better than that

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1458. ==Comment by cap’n john’s nephew — 7/5/2011 @ 7:56 pm==

    You have just distinguished yourself, sir. (P.S. Enjoy your comments and hope you get drawn into other stories and threads here often.)

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1459. cap n john

    yep I’m mean, nasty, use facts and figures – pesky things like court testimony, citations

    I rarely use op ed pieces authored by people who have an agenda or no qualifications in what they are talking about

    Go for yourself and look at the twitting flitting by lee w/ people who are WAY above his pay grade

    things like this:

    .@Stranahan Once again, sounds like you’re trying to intimidate me for trying to set the record straight. I’ve done NOTHING wrong. Back off.

    .@Stranahan You mocked him in posts, saying he believes certain socks r “real ppl.” That’s not wht @Patterico has sd. Ur distorting things.

    and there’s more, much more

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1460. “I wouldn’t get into a discussion with EPWJ. He doesn’t argue in good faith.”

    “I’ve been reading Patterico for several years now.”

    cap’n john’s nephew – Your keen powers of observation have convinced me. Heh.

    I am not trying to create a litmus test or anything. Nathan jumped on a comment Patterico made. I gave my interpretation of it. The obvious involvement of sockpuppets in this story has people wondering where people are coming from. When you recognize names, even if you have tangled on opposite sides, that gives you a sense that you know who somebody is. One of the whole discovery issues in the story has been about the date of creation of accounts. If commenters have no discernible history anywhere, who are they?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1461. @1470 Koam

    Compared to some, he’s been through very little regarding this whole thing.

    As much as it pains me, I’m going to have to take Eric’s side in this, for a number of reasons I can’t talk about.

    Suffice it to say, Lee really should follow his own advice and shut up.

    Scott Jacobs (6ab327)

  1462. I was off the internet all day today (again!). Is there a summary?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1463. Lee, I see that you’re exasperated, but some of what you’re saying is new to me.

    So don’t get irritated about this question: Did JG want you to stop talking about her, or about Weinergate, or just everything?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1464. I like and respect both Patterico and Mandy. I hope any disagreements are resolved as soon as possible. I believe all of us are working towards this goal, even if the method is something as simple as the decision not to launch or rekindle attacks.

    To the extent I may have failed to have taken this advice myself, I apologize.

    Outside parties fanning the flames does nothing productive or helpful to anyone involved.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  1465. ==Is there a summary?==

    you silly wabbit

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1466. Outside parties fanning the flames does nothing productive or helpful to anyone involved.

    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/5/2011 @ 8:35 pm

    Agreed.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1467. /nothing sarcastic or ironic implied. He’s right.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1468. koam – Why not? If they haven’t, they should!!!!

    Does this stuff need to be spoon fed to you people? Heh.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Please spoon feed me. I am in internet hell. I couldn’t get to any sites today, and I was sent a very young technician with whom I had great difficulty communicating. Yesterday I had housework and guests.

    Please, venture forth with a baby spoon. I shall imitate a baby bird.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1469. I hope you ALL get to the bottom of this. I hope there is an investigation that points to the culprit/s and they he/she/they are arrested for domestic terrorism, which is what it is.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  1470. you silly wabbit

    Comment by elissa

    Can I graduate to “wascally wabbit”?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1471. Dustin, understand when I say that my nature’s one Better Angel is really fighting a losing battle here regarding Lee and his behavior.

    Scott Jacobs (6ab327)

  1472. Agreed, Scott.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  1473. Scott, I understand. I’ve also been fighting that battle in this thread, though I’m doing a better job than usual resisting the impulse to really dish it out.

    We’re on the same page.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1474. 1473 goatsred

    Mike, 1986?! me too. 25 years. I was at MSG for the premier of Private Parts & sat with wack pack….never went to any other events, tho.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1475. 1486.Outside parties fanning the flames does nothing productive or helpful to anyone involved.

    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 7/5/2011 @ 8:35 pm

    Nice try at deflecting – you described a guy – who BTW – for you and me – gives up a cool 6 figures a yr in the private sector or more – by serving us unselfishly – as someone irrational and emotional

    annnd I’m fanning the flames?

    Lee, I’m speechless

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1476. No flame war?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1477. Hi Sal! I love you, Fred!

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1478. “Touche, Dr. Moriarty. You got me.”

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1479. Daley = I’m done – Lee got the msg

    EricPWJohnson (2921b6)

  1480. This thread is great fun and all but is there going to be further JR docs published. I realize JR has bugged at this point but I believe there were things which were pending at the time.

    Thanks

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  1481. Well, Johnny and I started a flame war, but he was so insulting I’ve just been sulking.

    Nathan Wagner (e017b3)

  1482. 1501 Rocksem

    Great question. I dunno. Pat has said his commitment is to publish all unedited. I doubt JR’s going silent would make Pat want to not publish.

    But 2 other things. Patrick’s busy with that trial, and they keep mentioning law enforcement getting involved. I wonder if LE could have an impact on whether documents are coming out or not.

    koam @wittier (be5afd)

  1483. Koam.
    If he can’t or has reasons not to that’s fine. I just would like to know. This thread has denigrated into I don’t know what and I rather not even check it if there is no reason to. But this seems the only place Patterico even mentions the topic.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  1484. Way back in the mists of the early 1,000s, Patterico said something about being patient.

    I keep losing the thread, though.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  1485. Maybe off topic but Jen P’s twitter is up to some weird stuff. Phone numbers, “outing” people, etc. Just wondering what any of you think it going on?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1486. #478 Elissa

    Thank You, Elissa. The pleasure of your mind has been all mine. The same goes for so many of the new commenters.

    #480 daleyrocks

    I don’t believe, for a minute, this story is over. In fact, I think we are enjoying a brief
    interlude here.

    @Koam

    May I have a copy of your book when it is published?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1487. Maybe off topic but Jen P’s twitter is up to some weird stuff. Phone numbers, “outing” people, etc. Just wondering what any of you think it going on?

    Comment by Noodles — 7/5/2011 @ 9:25 pm

    I don’t know, pretty weird. Looked more like vindictiveness then investigation to me. I’m thinking the person who wrote the HuffPo column Koam criticized is probably a close friend or old college buddy.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  1488. @1508 (Rocksem) Ah, maybe that’s it. I read it as she “knows what’s really going on”. Which (from the outside looking in) seems laughable. Who knows.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1489. Or she is not currently in control of the account.

    Scott Jacobs (6ab327)

  1490. @1508 (Rocksem) Ah, maybe that’s it. I read it as she “knows what’s really going on”. Which (from the outside looking in) seems laughable. Who knows.

    Comment by Noodles — 7/5/2011 @ 9:37 pm

    Oh I’m sure she knows way more than we do but I’m also sure she would never share it on Twitter. If she really thought Koam was a player in this she wouldn’t be giving his personal info away. She’d be using it to get to him and get him on record.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  1491. @ Scott Jacobs “Did you use VPN/proxy to access Patterico? Why?”

    Just kidding! I wanted to pretend I was a hard hitting journalist for a second. lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1492. You forgot to publicly suggest that I am either a sockpuppet, or one of the masterminds behind something related to WeinerGate.

    Scott Jacobs (6ab327)

  1493. Yeah, it appears Ms Preston is openly speculating about Koam, and yet unable to back up this speculation with a shred of justification.

    It’s the same jerk behavior I’ve seen from others (cough cough) to harm the reputation of an honest critic.

    If Ms Preston has a reason to associate Koam, by his real full name, with this scandal, let’s hear it. Otherwise, she looks terribly petty. And unreasonable, too, given her claim she can’t understand why someone would want anonymity while she trashes someone she was able to out. Yeah, I know, she’s ‘just asking questions’.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1494. @ Scott Jacobs Are you a sockpuppet or one of the masterminds related to Weinergate?

    Also, do you like mudkips? =)

    If it weren’t for all the death threats, criminality, etc. involved in this I would be very tempted to pull her chain. (and I’d actually be behind 7 proxies!) lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1495. ==Otherwise, she looks terribly petty. And unreasonable==

    Oh, I believe you must be mistaken, Dustin. Jen is a journalist with a capital J. She would be above all that nonsense.

    elissa (fb4a7e)

  1496. Noodles @1515 beat me to it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1497. 1516. Hahah Elissa.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1498. I can see Prestion getting excited when she discovered any (presumed) pranky Stern types contributing – even heavily-, to weinergate comment threads.

    It’s just that the Stern connection wasn’t ever hidden. IRL name and everything – not hidden. It was right out there in the open. I can’t understand how this is news to her, or why Preston thinks this would be news to me or most other regulars here.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1499. Prestion? This day starts with new words!

    SarahW (af7312)

  1500. Congrats, SarahW on the neologism and portmanteau. Witty or inadvertent…it doesn’t matter anymore. Own it!

    _________

    This made me think of what happened with Lee and the editing of his radio show, under pressure and that quote: “Lee, you have no idea how deep this goes.” Context: A lot of fresh info had been coming out in the middle of the night on Lee’s radio show. Most nights, Lee wouldn’t write up a summary, let alone the details, of what he said on the show; so the info was in audio format only. Lee isn’t just an opinionator. He, like other writers, are part of the story. So those of us trying to figure out what it all meant had to replay the show (sometimes several shows) to hear details. (I and others asked him to write up because there would be so much confusion about the details when a group of people were trying to figure out what was real, vs. what was not, what was claimed vs. what was assumed, etc.)

    For this show, I tried to transcribe an interesting part the next day. This was pretty hard to do because Lee says about 4 words per second.

    My transcript of Lee’s BTR show about his convos appears above at comment #249 in this same thread (nearly 1300 comments ago).

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/comment-page-61/#comment-814237

    apologies for the typos and editing errors. They’re unintentional. The whole first sentence “According to Lee,…” is in the wrong place…my error. so some of it is out of sequence….attributable to typing long things in this little box on the blog page instead of doing it the right way in Word. (I would have, but in Word you have to type in the HTML tags manually..I was lazy in that regard) The whole show is here “My Last Blogtalk Radio Show Ever? – Radio Stranahan” for reference. I posted the same thing on Lee’s but it’s all “stuck in moderation” probably because of too many links included.

    The show starts with @FilmLadd calling in and then Angelia (or something)…go to minute 20 for the salient part.

    It would be possible to excerpt from it right here and poke fun, (I mean I could say some pretty funny things) but I’m not here to confuse anyone, as most of you know very well. (Look up all my comments and tweets and take them as a whole.) So better to just read (or listen to) the whole thing and try to figure what it means.

    Also,
    This post (go to #440 on this same page) also asked some puzzling questions about what points Lee and JP agree and disagree on. I’m still confused.

    And this Radio Stranahan show “@Weinergate Post Modern Yellathon” on July 2 in which Lee explains how much he got yelled at because of the July 1 show (above). Take a guess as to who was yelling.

    koam @wittier (d56dc1)

  1501. I am suspicious of the idea that a Stern fan could be so organized, thorough and logical. Koam, would you be willing to submit to some questions to demonstrate you’re really a Stern fan?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1502. jeffeneff – The absence of profanity or misogyny is also a dead giveaway the commenter is a fake.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1503. lamchopsl wrote in comment 212 Series 1 at 7/1/2011 @ 11:10 am

    On Lee’s Blog talk Radio show last nite he said:

    ‘NY Times reporter Jen Preston talked by phone with the Boston Jenny George and got the name of the screen writing professor from her. Preston called him and talked to him and his wife. At that point Preston tried to shut down the whole investigation, claiming the professor’s website was faked and he may have been related to the Sockpuppet posse and possibly the Yessmen or Anonymous. So Lee decided to call the professor and claims “everything checked out,” relating to the professor’s legitimacy and what he said about the Boston Jenny George….

    I can’t find a source closer to the original.

    Now wait. There have to be some mistakes here.

    Jennifer Preston talked to the California Jenny George. How could she have talked to the Boston Jenny George? Nobody has her phone number.

    The California Jenny George says:

    http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    from Jennifer George jennifer.e.george@gmail.com
    to “Preston, Jennifer”
    date Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM
    subject Re: New York Times reporter

    …..

    “I’m not sure if you’ve seen it, but commenters on at least one site are now talking about approaching one of their targets directly, in person. It appears someone has contacted one of her professors about her. She has been identified by name and publicly described as “unstable,” and people are speculating about her love life.”

    So who supplied the name of a professor? And WHAT WEB SITE?

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1504. Heh. Fire away w ?s. I’m good.
    Only prob today is power out and phone is nearly dead battery. Hard to type too.

    koam @wittier (39aadc)

  1505. some one help Sammy . I’m on a phone. It was jg. Ma who talked to jp and lee. Prof is lew Hunter

    koam @wittier (0f7e57)

  1506. Sammy lee had jg ma talk to jp. Huge mistake but he did.

    koam @wittier (1ff170)

  1507. Re: 1526 koam @ wittier
    Save your phone battery. I am not sure any of this is going to be answered very quickly.

    I think Sammy’s comment at 1524 is interesting. I also had seen comments saying that no one had found JG/MA’s phone number and had kind of assumed that someone must have had it since both Jen Preston and Lee reportedly had spoken to her. And the common link of the professor apparently reinforced the idea that they had spoken to the same person.
    So did JG/MA call Lee and he told her to also call Preston? If so, what evidence is there that the caller actually gave them both the exact same information? Did either one, or both, get a callback number for her? Have Jen Preston and Lee matched up the contacts they received/made regarding the professor? It is certainly curious that Jen Preston and Lee came to such opposite opinions about Professor Lew Hunter’s information.

    Note to Lee, and anyone who is involved in mysteries like this: toll-free numbers are not that expensive to have these days, and you get the number that called you even if it’s blocked.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1508. Sammy,

    Witter is correct as that is what Lee shared on his BTR program.

    After JG in MA spoke to Lee on June 19, she also spoke to Jennifer Preston at NYTimes. I think lee spoke to Jennifer Preston both before JG called her and after the two women spoke.

    JG in MA provided the Lew Hunter reference.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1509. Sammy,

    Opps, I forgot the website that was referenced on June 19 by JG was the STLA site and the blog post by Adam. There is even a post on the blog entry that appears to be from at leas one Jennifer George asking Adam to remove some informaiton.

    This is from another Jennifer G in CA ( yes, this is the Jennifer with the posts of Weiner related emails to document her involvement. So I dont’ see her making calls as then she would not have a record to post. This Jennifer George was also contacted by Jennifer Preston with a very misleading email.

    Here is the post on STLAH

    Excuse me could you please provide a contact number? I am Jennifer George from Los Angeles and I am getting calls now because of your blog. I’d like you to take this down. I have nothing to do with your ridiculous story. I will be calling the police as I am getting threats due to this. What is your number?

    June 19, 2011 5:11 PM

    Jun 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM
    Preston, Jennifer wrote:
    Subject: New York Times reporter

    Hi Jennifer,
    I would love to talk to you about a story that I am doing. Might you be available? My direct line is 212 556 4472.
    Thanks! Jennifer

    Staff Writer, Social Media
    The New York Times
    jepresto@nytimes.com
    facebook.com/nytjenpreston
    (212) 556-4472

    source: http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1510. Sue,

    JG called Lee and Jennifer Preston. As Lee indicated she was using a blocked number when she called him.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1511. Thanks, Joe. I haven’t been able to keep up with all the ins and outs of this story. I appreciate the details.
    At the source page you give for JG/CA’s roundup of her involvement or lack thereof, in her July 1 update, she states that she “did not author that comment” on the STLA Hub site. Since the comment said the commenter was “Jennifer George from Los Angeles” that seems to add a bit to the confusion, too.
    I’m looking forward to the future Clif Notes for this entire escapade. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1512. Joe, for clarity’s sake, JG “of California” has made plain she did not make that comment. That comment was likely left by Lee’s caller.

    That is the woman who has identified herself as JG, who has claimed threats, and also claimed to live in LA after moving from Boston in childhood, and claimed to be living there at present (To Lee and Preston). However, she later proved to be in Boston.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1513. Sue & SarahW,

    Correct, at one point we had two Jennifer George individuals claiming to be in CA.

    Only later after the police report was filed in Boston that one JG was determined to be in MA, she claimed to have attended some type of screenwriting sessions with Lew Hunter which again tied back to CA and UCLA.

    That is the one thing, “UCLA” thread that both JGs had in common and keeps confusing this part of the story.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1514. 1524 Sammy … is very confused. just ignore.

    1533 SarahW is correct.

    1534 Joe is correct in 1534

    All of this is according to Lee’s radio broadcasts/podcasts: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan

    So what we know is what Lee has told us.

    In short, Az5 found a screen cap of @starchild111 that had the name “Jenay”
    STLAH then Google searched “Jennifer starchild111” (asuming that Jenay was a form of Jennifer) and found 123people.com had a “Jennifer George with a nickname of starchild111 on Twitter.” It didn’t say which JG that would be though. There are hundreds of JGs.
    Lee started looking at JGs and found one (JG CA) who had done “some political work” (according to Lee). She had worked as a fundrasier for a political magazine. (She has a wide-open online presence (blogs, linkedin, facebook, personal website, lots more) – the first clue that she probably isn’t a sneaky sockpuppet.) Lee thought this might be a lead and sent her an email with his phone number and a friend request on facebook. (As it turns out, JG CA reports that JP had emailed exchanges w/ her prior week. We don’t know how JP found JG CA, but it may have been same way as Lee did, perhaps with Ron’s research? (speculation))
    Shortly (minutes) after sending email to JG CA, (timing was a coincidence) Lee got the teary call from JG…but this was not JG CA, it was JG MA, who says she has been receiving threats, google searched, found Lee and called to ask what is going on. This JG (MA) says she did own the starchild111 twitter account but had abandoned it and was not involved in the Weiner story. (among other details reported by Lee). JG MA says she can give a prof at UCLA who can verify who she is. (timing of call, CA claim, and UCLA prof are all coincidences w/ other JG, which further confuse Lee temporarily) Lee has this woman call Jen Preston…in fact he sets it up while JG is still on the phone. So JGMA calls Preston. Preston calls prof. Preston calls Lee and says she thinks Prof is a fake (Prof is Lew Hunter, prof emeritus UCLA who runs seminar writing retreats in Nebraska at his large home, where, it seems, JG MA met him and his wife). Lee thinks this is very very strange because prof seems very very real. (Lee seems right on this and the claim by Preston is strange. JP apparently also said same to Ron, if Ron’s posted DM from her is true.) Lee & JP didn’t call Prof using a fake number given by JG MA. Lee & JP looked up prof’s website and used his number there. It is an extensive website with a long history dating back years. Lee calls Prof back and reconfirms with Prof & wife that they know JG MA. JP & Lee didn’t have JG MA’s number, as far as we know. She called Lee on a blocked caller ID. Presume same for JP.

    This is pieced together largely from listening to Lee’s radio and reading posts online from Lee, JG CA, and others.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1515. Re: 1535 koam @ wittier
    Thanks again! That is the best summary I’ve seen.
    I assume your power is back on. Hope your day is a good one.

    Has Jen Preston actually discussed what she saw/heard that made her think the Prof was fake (other than generalities and mentioning Anonymous, etc.)? I am intrigued by the variance in the responses that Lee and JP had, apparently to the same website and the same people. Has Lee revealed any more of the reasons for his certainty for his position?

    P.S. I’m sure you have better things to do than to satisfy my curiosity. You don’t need to continue if you don’t want to, obviously. But thanks for the time and effort already given.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1516. 1536 Sue

    Thanks. To answer your question, I don’t know that JP has said anything about Prof publicly. Her accounts come from Lee, primarily and Ron, secondarily. You can find the link Ron published himself to a blogspot page that presumably he owns and read his many tweets. No idea whether any of it’s real. Impossible to tell, but it sort of meshes with what Lee has said.

    It puzzles me why JP would say to Lee (and, it appears, to Ron, according to his blog), that she suspected they’d been “punked” by a fake Lew Hunter. According to Lee, both JP & Lee were given the name “Lew Hunter, Prof at UCLA” by JG MA. According to Lee, they didn’t just take a phone number from JG MA, (where she might have set up an actor, as has been speculated) but that they googled Lew Hunter, found him on UCLA’s site, and found his own site and looked up his phone number for themselves, speaking to Lew and Mrs. Hunter directly. (As far as I know, Lew is an older prof emeritus. He teaches one “keystone” type prestigious seminar for screenwriting grad students in the Winter when the weather is lovely in LA and pure crap in Nebraska, where he lives with his wife and holds writing retreats at their home. I believe there are 2 old mansions on his compound so it’s like going to a B&B where you are taught and work together with other writers for a week or 2 – held a couple of times a year. Evidently this is where JG MA knew Lew from, according to Lee.)

    Lee makes perfect sense that Lew Hunter is a well-known guy in the film biz who moved into being a prof a long time ago. Why JP would say to Lee that she suspects that they’d been punked is for sure puzzling. From transcript of Lee’s radio show about it:

    “I had mentioned that JP had gotten the name from JG in Boston of the screenwriting Prof. who she’d studied with so she contacted the prof and as i mendtioned before she (JP) talked to him talked to his wife, they both knew because she’d (JG MA) taken classes w teacher not at UCLA but elsewhere. THye said that they knew who she was and I thought that ended it.

    “So here’s the part that i’ve hinted at but haven’t talked about it. I thought next step was NY Times would track down this Jennifer George person and we’ll get at the truth. So what happened was, I got a message from Jen Preston saying:
    ‘I think that we’ve been punked by the UCLA professor and I think it’s been a huge waste of time’
    Lee continues, “I was very curious about this of course because she talked to the prof and I thought some important new fact had been gleaned. Something new and big was going on. So I called her (JP) and I said
    ‘What’s going on? What’s happening? What did you learn?’
    And Jen Preston said: ‘Lee, I just think we’ve been punked on this whole thing.’

    And I said ‘Ok, really? well, why?’

    Because I thought she’d learned something. Like “oh it didn’t check out or the number was wrong.” (this is what Lee imagines Jen P was gonna say)

    And she says: “You just have no idea how deep this goes.

    And I said, “What actually happened?”

    And she said, “I don’t know that his (the prof’s) website is real.”

    Lee: “And I was like, well, what do you mean? Because I’ve been to his website and it was real (chuckles) It was, it was real (chuckles more).”

    And she was like

    “I don’t even know if it’s real. I don’t even know who who I’ve talked to. These groups that are doing this sockpuppet stuff, you have no idea what they’re capable of. They can fake entire sites. The can get people… “

    Lee: “And I’m just like whoa, whoa, wait a minute, what are you talking about? why do you think that this has happened? do you have some proof?”

    And she’s like: “Lee, you have no idea how deep these things can go. Groups like Anonymous or the Yessmen, they are really capable, they could fake identities.”

    And I say “but YOU called the professor. Right? You looked up the number yourself and you called him and talked to him and his wife, correct?”

    And she’s like, “yeah”

    Lee: “well how could that be fake? (laughs) how could…”

    And she goes, “Look, this goes much deeper than that. “

    Lee: “Well, do you care if I call?”

    She says: “Go ahead; feel free to call.”
    Lee: “I hadn’t wanted to call in because I didn’t want to impose on the person because they’re teaching classes..etc…. so I called in and it checked out. But it made me feel like…and this is why I brought this up…because I like Jen in a lotta ways and I like working with her in a lotta ways and then when I saw this stuff that Ron Brynaert was saying the other day, I thought ‘well, this is sorta beyond the pale.’ Like obviously she’s been talking to Ron and a bunch of other people and rather than tell me she like “I’m talking to different sources and some of them think this and some of them think that…” she had
    bought into this idea to the point to where she wasn’t pursuing things with Jennifer George. Even she knew there were lies that Jennifer George had told. And I think that this happening has caused real problems for people. This lack of follow-up caused problems for people. ’cause I think that after that probably, right around that time, Jen George went into the police station and filed a report that I was the person who left death threats. So to me there was a level of credulity (sic) that had been dropped. And my wife was like “this is a reporter from the NYTimes? Why are they buying into this? ” So that’s part of the explanation. Part of what led up to it. …

    “The reason the info about the prof was dropped was there was this belief that the entire website may have been faked. And I tried to tell Jen (Preston) “there’s no way this web site is faked. I’ve heard who this is. ” but even now there’s this theory being floated by some people that there’s some big conspiracy going on that’s much deeper than what it is. and that’s why I say when I heard that the police had visited Jen George in Boston, and that/had confirmed a bunch of things,including that she was in MA, which the screenwriting prof had told us, I was like “well that really sorta changes things.” so anyway, that’s that bit of the story . I’ll probably write it up at some point.

    (Please do, Lee.)

    Further, I believe Lee said that the BPD Detective also called Hunter (I have to check when he may have said that. If I’m wrong he’ll let me know).

    So Hunter, by any reasonable assessment, unless JP has info that she hasn’t revealed, is a real dude.

    It calls for speculation, but either JP believes/believed what she told Lee (and possibly Ron too) …that Lew is fake and this is some wild , much deeper plot..scary stuff… (perhaps her powerful position allows her to have more info.)

    or

    that she was playing them both with a crazy theory that she thought they might run with (and get off the scent?) (dunno) Her saying to Lee that he should call Lew is kind of opposite to that but doesn’t rule it out. (Lee can and will do what he wants in any case.) Think of other reasons that she might say it to Lee if she didn’t really believe it. She allegedly wrote to Ron in a Jun 25 DM on that blog that she thinks Lee is trying to screw her and associate her with his BS jg story. Who knows if that is a real email or not, of course. It it were real, which part of Lee’s JG story was considered BS? We know that after Lee talked about what he said JP said that the Prof said about JG’s mental condition, that JG called Lee and asked him to remove those comments from his radio show. She went directly to Blog Talk Radio CEO and had him edit out 20 seconds of Lee’s show. Lee complied with this but said he didn’t think it was necessary. Lee documented it in a statement on his blog and in a subsequent radio show. Lee also said he got an earful from the reporter over all this in the end.

    So it remains a mystery why someone would think that there was a fake Lew website and fake Lew & Mrs Lew on the phone, other than an actual belief that some evil hackers & conspirators are capable of anything, or it was a tactical misdirection on her part. I am confused by this.

    Other possibilities? Anyone?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1517. Yes thanks koam. That really helps clarify the timeline etc. I didn’t know people were still over here 🙂

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1518. Koam, given how she initially contacted JG CA, under false pretenses, and how she tried to intimidate you (my interpretation), I wouldn’t rule out tactical misdirection on Preston’s part. Perhaps she thinks throwing BS out there will keep others off the scent of her leads, so she can be the reporter with the best chance of getting to the root of this issue?

    Or perhaps she’s an airhead who, like many, has said stupid things that aren’t logical, simply in an effort to remain relevant.

    Anyhow, by casting that degree of doubt on Hunter, she did a big favor for those who want doubt to surround every aspect of this scandal. In this topsy turvy story, that could curry favor with a lot of potential sources. Even JGMA, in a backwards fashion.

    All I know is that Preston is totally unreliable.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1519. Further it’s possible that these incidents give certain indications.

    – 1) JG MA is a real JG in MA who’s
    – 2) not involved w/ Nikki activity.

    Some observations point to 1) others point to both 1) & 2).

    Pro:

    She went to BPD as JG in MA.
    BPD visited her home in MA to follow up.
    Presumably, BPD likes to be sure they’re dealing with real people with real names, not actresses playing parts. (this says she’s a real person, it indicates that she’s not likely guilty, but it doesn’t preclude her involvement in the Nikki business)
    Lew & Mrs Hunter said she’s a real person. (Dunno what further confirmation was done that it was the same person.)(Lee thinks being a screenwriter indicates skills & guilt. Dunno that’s proven).
    JP had BTR remove comments from Lee’s radio show. This could have been to prevent JP/NYT liability in disclosure of personal information. One could see why JG or Lew would be upset about this disclosure, if it happened as Lee says it did. Suggests that JP thinks JG is real ID, as a sock can’t sue you. (Doesn’t prove guilt or innocence. If what Prof allegedly said was true, it could support Lee’s theory.)
    Lee has stopped frequently insisting she’s a faker (but he could have several reasons for doing so, including the LE investigation. Or maybe he hasn’t…dunno.I could be mistaken.)

    Con:

    JG said she was in CA when she called but she later admitted she was really in MA. (understandable, however, if you’re a real person who’s genuinely scared…But one tactical lie makes everything you say suspicious as others here have learned.)
    JG MA hasn’t revealed herself beyond Lee, JP, BPD (also understandable if were scared & wanted anonymity)
    A bunch of people have looked for her and haven’t found her. (Would a real screenwriting student in her early 20s be so anonymous online? Where are her friends and facebook or other online trail (I sound like GC). Not proof of anything, I know, but it doesn’t add up.)
    Even Patterico says Lee might still be right about JG. (but might be wrong too).

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1520. 1539 Dustin

    I agree.

    When that JG CA disclosure page (brilliant) very first went up, I went out and asked in comments or twitter about the approach that JP took to JG. (Note: Ron later said that approach was semi-genuine, I think.)

    But I asked if approaching in such an indirect, misleading, and flattering way would lead to JG CA clamming up when it got to the real questions at hand. That is, if JP wanted JG CA to tell a full story, that she was less likely to get that from her when it came down to the interview because of the approach. (Of course we were assuming that the name JG was potentially associated with the starchild111 handle so that such a JG would be a possible prime candidate to be the real “Nikki.”)

    I was told by several people who are experienced commenters and who likely know more about reporting that I do that it was a perfectly respectable approach. I took that as a lesson that I was somehow naive about how the sausage gets made. And I am.

    But JG CA’s subsequent comments about it indicate otherwise. (Even though JG CA is uninvolved, she bristled at being schmoozed and misled. JP probably doesn’t like that Lee landed on the same JG and tipped her hand.) We’ve seen the “much respect” type schmooze laid on others who are commenters on this story as well. I think JP may be off the Nikki story (scared? directed off?) and onto the post-story about the online collaborative/confrontational investigation by independent people.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1521. I took that as a lesson that I was somehow naive about how the sausage gets made. And I am.

    Me too, btw. But you know, I think these sausage making journalists who eventually have to reveal to their sources they were being dishonest… before they get their info… they may not be going about this correctly. There’s too much room for mistakes, bias, and outright deception.

    For all the frustration of Patterico just letting his source say whatever s/he wanted to, and letting us think for ourselves, I see that approach as far superior to trying to trick folks the way Preston (And perhaps many other journalists) would.

    Anyway, here’s the bottom line:

    I think JP may be off the Nikki story (scared? directed off?) and onto the post-story

    So who is naive? Her methods failed.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1522. I have an odd potentially stupid question, forgive me if it has been answered. What if the Tweet that shows Jenay on the starchild account that was found was actually the fake. Not that the person who found it faked it. I don’t know very much about twitter and how you find lost tweets and that account was closed when it was found right?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1523. 1543. Blackburnsghost

    Do you know what a Tweet is? because your question suggests otherwise.

    It was a screen capture from a Google or Yahoo cache of what the starchild111 twitter account page looked at on a specific day in the past. A snapshot from history.

    You can find this documented earlier on this site with links.

    When a piece of evidence is found by someone, it inherently means that others can go find the same thing. If others didn’t find the same thing we’d have heard about it loud and clear.

    If you want to suspect that that was faked and somehow inserted into the Yahoo database, go right ahead.

    But first go back and see it for yourself.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1524. Here is a link to the account page from twitter ( as reported ) via confirmed spider cache searches.

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kN06BxQQIqo/Tf5cIF3BUII/AAAAAAAACOQ/_oOav941hF0/s1600/jenay.png

    Note: the actual cached results are expirining on may artifacts relating to this story. This screen shot shows the name assigned to the starchild111 on that date ( 1/1/2011 ).

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1525. Geez I said it was a stupid question because no I really don’t know what a tweet is. I am trying to figure that all out. I had another twitter account for my business which I have not been able to use because I don’t get it. That’s why I started the other one to try to figure it out without looking like an abject fool to my customers.
    I also did not know about the history of Twittergate etc. I am educating myself on a lot of things.

    Sorry I’ll keep to myself. This is just making a bad day worse.

    Thanks Joe

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1526. I like it! On to 2000.

    Who has a synopsis of what is undeniably known? The minutia in brackets.

    Next a synopsis of what is not undeniably known, but beyond reasonable spin. If that’s too broad, well, I think you know what I mean.

    An abbreviated updated timeline, incorporating the above, would be nice.

    I’m not knockin’ it, this pursuit of the truth. It’s just that my RAM and hard drive (brain) are very limited these days …….. I really hope any and all of the perps are exposed, at least, if not prosecuted, where applicable.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  1527. 1547 MDr

    I’ve summarized all over the place here and in previous articles. There are a lot of arms and legs to this. There is no one summary and any statement of facts often assumes that you trust who’s told that part of the story. And certainly new stories have on a regular basis invalidated old stories. So understanding who believed what at a specific time (even if they were wrong) is permanently part of the story. It will never be simple.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1528. Thanks again for the wonderful info. 🙂

    I have to say that I don’t understand Twitter either. I have never used it myself and I don’t do Facebook, either. I wondered how folks were researching some of this and I appreciate your insight on what it is and how that was done.

    I had gotten as far as opening Twitter windows on my computer to try to follow some of the discussions, but it moves pretty fast for me. And Lee’s radio shows aren’t very easy for me to go back over when I get confused (not like written info I can review).

    Blackburnsghost, hang in there. We can learn together, courtesy of the folks who understand it better than we do.

    I was realizing, as I tried to wrap my head around some of this, that part of my viewpoint is that of a person who is reasonably private and who doesn’t use all the media. So it didn’t seem that surprising to me that it would be hard to locate someone. And it didn’t seem surprising that someone might prefer not to be “outed” in real life. I guess if someone was trying to figure me out, they might suspect a “sock” simply because I usually lurk and only comment on occasion. As a matter of fact, I think this is the most I have commented on any thread. 🙂

    Thanks to all for helping me understand.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1529. Sue,

    Your comments hit the mark and your recent comment about someone be outed would be what Jennifer Preston did to Witter.

    I don’t know all the details but it looked like JP tried to get information from Witter but he did not play her game so she felt it was proper to publish his anme and even the name of his dog.

    Not sure what her “news” purpose was but that is bad Big J in my book.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1530. Joe and Sue, Thank you and ditto.
    After reading all the stuff I read today this is WAY above my techno pay grade, after reading about the previous twittergate thing I thought anything was possible re: faking things online etc. That’s where my spot on/brilliant idea came from.
    Anyway I will enjoy reading the comments and looking forward to progress if any.

    Koam is doing a bang up job of keeping up on this I think.
    Cheers to that!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1531. Thanks.

    I just saw this today…just a side note

    http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/suspect-reporter/

    but this blog is where Lee had pointed out that a temporary and fake posting from a year ago (fake date) that had pics of the actress Nikki Reed (not Reid) and J-Lo and commented that these ladies looked like a pic of a Jennifer George which is available on a facebook profile for a JG in Boston.

    I have no idea why that fake posting was there. Lee said that he didn’t know that it was fake at the time that he posted it. If it had been real, then it would have linked a pic that is associated with a JG in Boston who has a fb profile with this story. The Nikki Reed & J-Lo thing would have been the giveaway. However Lee then said that the date was fake…and the post was removed later on.

    It was a waste of time, proof that there are people screwing with us (I think)..or just a joke for insiders..but still a waste of time for me.

    I kinda think I know who this is, but I haven’t asked her yet. If it’s the same person, she thought it was important for me to answer suggestive questions put to me recently. I don’t know why that happened either. It’s not terribly important but a strange loop in affairs to have someone possibly posting fake, year old, incriminating blog posts, and then that same person would get inquisitive with what were obviously retribution questions?
    Anyway, no need to follow up. Just interesting.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1532. Witter,

    I posted a number of links over on Lee’s blog that related to that fake blog post you referenced above dated June 30, 2010. They got stuck in moderation.

    Lee received the link from @lanelipton.

    She tweeted a facebook link to Lee on June 27 that she indicated was a picture of Jennifer George on FB:

    http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1104744369

    This URL also appears on the blog Lee tweeted about looking for an owner:
    : http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/look-a-likes/

    Note: This was before the look-a-likes blog post was deleted and then replaced with the current puppy picture.

    The first picture on the blog post has the same FB URL in the source code while the real image is at http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/23073_1104744369_8766_n.jpg

    I also found something very intersting on Lane Lipton’s blog, on her about page…. she is a writer in New York.

    http://lanelipton.wordpress.com/about/

    The image at the top is very interesting ( star map )
    http://lanelipton.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/cropped-hubble1280x800.jpg

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1533. Well yes that’s where I think I was going with that, even without knowing someone was asking questions of you.
    I guess I thought well hmm we are all looking at JGMA and were looking at JGCA all due to a single cache found with the name jenay and I thought perhaps that could be created. To send us all on a long strange trip.
    :./

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1534. Blackburnsghost,

    Sorry but Jennifer George was already know to the press and they were contacting Jennifer George ( CA ) as early as June 14!

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1535. Sorry again. I need to learn to read links before post
    I’m getting hammered today on all fronts. 🙂
    #learning

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1536. Blackburnsghost,

    No attempt to hammer you 😉

    Just tyring to keep the facts straight and try to reduce confusion. Stay with us and the facts will drip out slowly.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1537. No it’s fine, I’m a big girl. Clearly an amateur detective with a dime store monocle.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1538. I’m starting to think this thread might actually reach 2000.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  1539. Re: 1558 Pious Agnostic

    Sure, why not? As long as no one minds a slower commenter like me? 🙂

    I think there are enough questions in this story to keep us going…

    Sue (24e46b)

  1540. @koam in #1537 “Other possibilities? Anyone?”

    koam, I don’t know Preston or her work and can only speculate by projecting. But I don’t think Preston doubts Lew Hunter exists, I think she probably just believes as I do that his use as proof of identity by the woman claiming to be his ex-student was an indication that the phone call she got was phony, and Lew Hunter is irrelevant to the Weiner saga outside the fact that bringing him into it offers yet another totally pointless diversion in a story already riddled with manufactured red herrings.

    JPreston likely doesn’t much care one way or another about the authenticity of the Lew Hunter she’d spoken to,since he couldn’t possibly prove anything about anything to her other than the fact that he had a student at one time who went by the name of Jennifer George – just as have probably hundreds of other teachers elsewhere had students who’ve gone by that rather common name.

    Whether or not Lee or JP or the BPD or anyone else could satisfy themselves that the Lew Hunter with whom Lee & JP spoke about the former student named JG is the real Lew Hunter who teaches a scriptwriting class at UCLA Extension is a completely irrelevant sidebar since, genuine or not, Hunter has absolutely no way of positively identifying without having directly seen her do it her that either the person who called Lee & Preston or the one who allegedly filed a police report also claiming to be a JG was the JG who was his student anyway, right?

    I took a couple of courses during my academic career with a well-known Prof or two who’d probably remember me too since I’ve kept in contact. If somebody else who knows (even second or third-handedly) that I took those courses with one of those guys, could he get his girlfriend to call up Jen Preston insisting that she was me and offer as proof of her “leilani-hood” that I once took a course with him?

    Of course not. Even more, it would certainly set off alarm bells to me – and I speculate Preston as well – that an obscure relationship like that was even being offered as proof of ID by someone, so I’m thinking Preston’s probably as perplexed as I am that anybody’s even discussing Lew Hunter as anything OTHER than a neon-flashing red herring which was intentionally thrown out by someone else as chum to further obfuscate the already deliberately muddied sock water.

    Preston says that the woman claiming to be “a” Jennifer George on the phone to her couldn’t even remember where in Mass. she went to elementary school, so the the film instructor reference the woman claiming to be named JG volunteered to Lee & JP as her means of supposedly confirming her “jennifergeorge-ness” is important only in that it justifiably helped heighten JP’s suspicion that the person to whom she was speaking was probably masquerading as someone by that name and didn’t know much else at all about the Jennifer George she was pretending to be.

    In fact, let’s face it, it’s really the kind of strange reference which somebody might offer as ID only if they didn’t know the person whom they were purporting to be very well at all and perhaps knew ONLY that a memorably eccentric woman named Jennifer George took a UCLA film class with Lew Hunter once – a fact possibly even gleaned through a third party if her name had been bandied about in conversation, isn’t it?

    Say somebody (we’ll call him Nool Roohooser), sees/plants the JG item at SLAH, wants to establish a quickie fake persona to punk someone on the phone with and puts out feelers among his peeps. “Anybody know someone named Jennifer George?” Someone pipes up: “Yeah, my sister took a UCLA Ex class with one from Massachusetts a few years ago. She was supposed to be a real character” And viola, ya got yourself an instant fake Jennifer George bio.

    Except somebody forgot to do their homework on basic stuff like where she went to elementary school before they talked to the New York Times and JP’s caller flunked the basic ID test that any journalist worth even half his or her salt would put an unseen interview subject through to prove they are who they say they are.

    I’m assuming that’s why Preston doesn’t want anything to do with a JG ‘theory’, particularly one which advances Lew Hunter the real-life man as having any relevance whatsoever to the Weiner story other than the fact that he was suspiciously the only detail proffered as ID confirmation by somebody obviously trying to send everybody on silly wild goose chases.

    In other words, Lew Hunter was once important to this story at all only insofar as the very fact he was used as an ID reference in the first place pretty much ‘outed’ Jennifer Preston’s phone caller as a fake to her.

    As well it should have, IMHO.

    But (and this is a very big but): Preston was waaaaay out of line if it’s true that she outed your real name on twitter, as I just read here, koam.

    Seriously, that’s some deeply weird &*%$. Scary-weird. And by a woman who was supposedly so offended that all these various & sundry Jennifer Georges were getting needlessly drawn into this whodunit?

    Ruh-roh. Not gonna look good for ya defending yourself in a civil suit if one of the other Jennys decides to seek redress, Ms. P. Shows a pattern of reckless disregard for people’s privacy, doesn’t it? Tsk-tsk.

    leilani (ccfc7e)

  1541. 1560 leilani

    Thanks for responding.

    Your first paragraph says that you don’t think that JP doubts Lew’s existence. But that is exactly what Lee said she said. See the transcript or listen to his show. Ron posts something similar, in his blog, allegedly from JP, and you can make your mind up about whether you want to believe Ron’s blog or not.

    But your argument is not with what JP believes, it’s with what Lee said she said. I believe Lee would tell the truth about what she said, so the question is, did she believe it or was she trying to trick Lee?

    As for whether a real Lew & wife can confirm whether the real JG MA who they know is the one who called Lee & JP, well there would have to be some kind of specific verification. Lee & JP are smart enough to know that a person may not be the same person. So if that was their fear, they would have keyed into it. I agree that they would need some kind of photo or additional info. I sort of expect that with the BPD triangulation, there must have been something. Let’s ask Lee, if he’ll discuss it.

    But to recap Lee:

    “The reason the info about the prof was dropped was there was this belief that the entire website may have been faked. And I tried to tell Jen (Preston) “there’s no way this web site is faked. I’ve heard who this is. ” but even now there’s this theory being floated by some people that there’s some big conspiracy going on that’s much deeper than what it is. and that’s why I say when I heard that the police had visited Jen George in Boston, and that/had confirmed a bunch of things,including that she was in MA, which the screenwriting prof had told us, I was like “well that really sorta changes things.”

    I think you get into speculation as to why a prof wouldn’t be a good reference. I think it’s irrelevant. It’s who the woman chose. At that age, I did often rely on profs as my references.

    The point is what JP said to Lee. That Lew’s web site is fake. Not a real person. She didn’t say what you said, which is, a real Lew knew a real JG from MA, but the real JG from MA is not who Lee & JP talked to. JP is capable of saying that. Instead she said to Lee (and reputedly to Ron) that Lew is not a real person…with a fake web site. (Research has been done to show the web site has been around a long time. It’s not fake). Let’s not make excuses for her unless you are saying Lee is lying about it or that a hacker got into Lew’s web site and changed the phone numbers and email addresses.

    As for the JG not saying where she went to school, and at first lying that she was in CA. Those can be explained by a real JG, who’s innocent, who wants to remain unfindable by Lee who she’s afraid of until she is more comfortable with talking with JP. I can believe that.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1542. Your first paragraph says that you don’t think that JP doubts Lew’s existence. But that is exactly what Lee said she said.

    Given how difficult it has been to get Lee to provide details and specific facts for his conclusions, are you certain Lee was quoting Jennifer Preston or is it possible he was interpreting what he thought she meant?

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1543. 1562. DRJ

    Am I certain of something Lee said? I’m quoting what he said and I said we should ask him again. He certainly repeated it. Weinergate Post Modern Yellathon But you’re right that if we can’t trust what Lee said to be quotes (rather than just his inferences or interpretations, which I challenge regularly), we have a lot of problems understanding what’s going on in general. Lee delivered this story with quotes. I can’t tell you if it’s real, just what we heard him say. Lee help us out.

    Corroboration, if you will, is at Ron’s blog.

    I think this Lew Hunter person? Was a fake.
    Direct message sent by Jennifer Preston (@NYT_JenPreston) to you (@ronbryn) on Jun 24, 9:48 AM.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1544. Re: 1560 Leilani
    I had seen someone mention before that JG/MA couldn’t name the elementary school she went to.

    It is details like that that makes it very clear to me that I have a slightly different viewpoint. I remember the school I went to (just one, K-6), but my adult son doesn’t; he went to four different ones and would be hard put to name any of them (moving is hard on a kid). There are sometimes valid reasons why you can’t name the school you attended.

    But your description of the possible chain of events leads me to wonder: if JP was asking questions that may have had simple, but slightly different, answers (like my son’s inability to name his elementary school), then what kinds of questions would a journalist end up asking in order to identify someone? And if you don’t want to detail your life history and have a journalist act like it isn’t enough to convince them, what do you offer up? In a strange way, I can imagine that it is possible for the conversation to become one of scrounging around for an authority figure of some kind – like a well-known professor – in an attempt to find something to point to that might fit the journalist’s expectations and end any further probing. So was the professor offered as an ID proactively, or was it perhaps offered out of exasperation since JP perhaps was refusing to accept someone’s other statement? Only JP and JG/MA know the rest of the context of the conversation.

    But I will also add that since Jen Preston has published koam’s real name, it seems possible that she may have been overly aggressive in other contexts as well; so the idea that JG/MA may have felt pushed and that she may have thrown something out as authoritative and been deliberately misleading due to possible discomfort with JP’s attitude remains a possibility, in my opinion.

    For the record, if any reporters want to know where I went to school, the answer is, “None of your business”. And if you want to think I’m a fake as a result, have fun. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1545. I don’t think Lew Hunter was or is a fake. He also is not key this case.

    If JG(MA) was or is fake it would be easy to dismiss Lew. Again, his only role is to confirm JG is JG.

    JP or any other mainstream press group should be able to determine if JG is real using other methods.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1546. Apologies, that last comment of mine was pretty flippant. Sorry.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1547. 1564 Sue

    Interesting story about your son.

    If we are to believe what Lee says happened, JG called him, very, very scared that someone was threatening to kill her. (He thinks she’s lying) But in an attempt, I assume, to have a second person corroborate the call and also, possibly to add some legitimacy to himself, he has JG call JP, who, it is easy to document, works for NYT. Lee is an independent with some pictures of himself on his page that maybe a girl afraid for her life wouldn’t really want to see. (Tough guy, scowling photos)

    If JG is really that scared, I wouldn’t blame her for fibbing about where she was and some details that she is giving up in her confused state to strangers. Why not lie about your location if you are scared someone’s coming to kill you?

    Now if the point of having JG call JP was to help reassure JG that Lee is not a killer, we can all see how that turned out. JG went right to the police.

    And on Ron’s blog, we can see how JP allegedly talks about Lee. Pretty rough stuff…(if Ron’s blog is to be believed.)

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1548. Ron’s blog is not to be believed,even if it’s gospel truth. He’s not in a right frame of mind at present, and caution should be exercised there.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  1549. Sue, without offering any specific citation this minute, it is strangely the case that women have a distinct superiority in retention and recollection of detailed childhood memories, places, and events; a difference that may in part be due to measurable differences in the brain structures linked to these memories ( their hippocampuses). Men seem to have more childhood amnesia compared to women.

    JGma also lied about where she went to high school to lee and Preston and only admitted this when caught. She also filled her story with outlandish details, and used the same confidence games the socks used.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  1550. The whole mysterious JG tracking down and phoning Lee scared to death–Lee’s having JG call Preston– and the entirety of the bizarre Lew part of it– has never made any sense to me. I am not saying those things didn’t happen in some form or fashion, nor am I calling anybody a liar. But those pieces of the puzzle just do not fit right, yet. Some of those pieces just smell funny and have always seemed false flaggy to me (at least with the info presented publicly so far). To me, it feels like a poorly shot photo that is not in focus, but still intrigues because there are outlines and shadows. And that may be precisely the master plan.

    elissa (c14551)

  1551. 1568 Sarahw

    Yes, well, you know the salty talk made me suspicious. She wouldn’t, right?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1552. 1569 Sarahw

    Fair enough. But all that adds up to JGMA is a sock, not Lew. JP doesn’t say JGMA is a sock.

    In fact, she has Lee’s radio show edited ostensibly to remove a potentially slanderous remark (we’re guessing) about JG (the sock?) that slipped out in which she’s the reported transmitter of a notion.

    “She was like, ‘Oh, you can’t have that up there.’ Asked me if I could and would take it down. I say I dunnow how. She calls CEO of BTR and gets it done.” (paraphrased) Lee says to CEO “I don’t think it needs to be taken down but I’m not arguing at this point.” Preston selects 20 seconds to delete and CEO gets it done.

    That and other things point to JGMA being real, and possibly innocent.

    see #1540 from this morning.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1553. “Given how difficult it has been to get Lee to provide details and specific facts for his conclusions, are you certain Lee was quoting Jennifer Preston or is it possible he was interpreting what he thought she meant”

    DRJ, is there any reason to believe Lee’s assertions about alleged private conversations?

    Random (4dc233)

  1554. SarahW, so there were a lot more than just one or two problems with the discussion between JP and JG/MA. That makes more sense. Thanks.

    Elissa, I like the description of “a poorly shot photo that is not in focus”. So is this art, or accident? I wonder if we will ever know.

    Koam, it does seem odd to me that JG/MA called Lee, then goes to the police. It’s out of order. But a lot of this story seems that way.

    Thanks to all. I have a lot to think about and wonder about until tomorrow. Sweet dreams to all.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1555. Sue,

    Lee mentioned on his BTG radio program on 6/20/2011 that JG(MA) asked Lee if she needed to call the Police or the Campus police next. She was asking Lee for his feedback before contacting the Police. So this odd cycle has been out there since June 20.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1556. Random,

    Yes there is reason to believe Lee is speaking the truth. The best example is the request from Jennifer Preston have the BTR recording edited to remove a comment abot JG.

    It is a clear example that JP and Lee spoke to the same person and JP thinks she is real. Why else request something be removed from the mp3?

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1557. koam, #1561 Hi, thanks for the reply, sorry I’m late. Lunchtime!;-)

    You said: “As for the JG not saying where she went to school, and at first lying that she was in CA. Those can be explained by a real JG, who’s innocent, who wants to remain unfindable by Lee who she’s afraid of until she is more comfortable with talking with JP. I can believe that.”

    So you speculate she was lying about where she studied in Massachusetts because she was scared but she was telling the truth about studying with Hunter in California because she was …what? Experiencing a brief unexplained burst of uncharacteristic confidence thanks to the salubrious effects of the SoCal sunshine? If she doesn’t want to be found & isn’t the least bit interested in proving she is who she says she is in a way that passes even the mildest smell test and can confer upon what she says any validity o credibility at all, then why is she calling in the first place?

    Sue in #1564 offers the suggestion that perhaps the caller claiming to be named JG can’t correctly tell Preston where she went to elementary & high school is because she might have moved a lot & attended many schools, a scenario created out of the blue & without any foundation at all simply to justify the caller’s wild contradictions and her inability to pass Preston’s Journalism 101 scammer screening questions, never mind that it would help contradict the caller’s own story of growing up in Massachusetts.

    But we could just as easily concoct another scenario which has it that the caller couldn’t remember because she didn’t attend school at all & was in fact home-schooled by tutors in Buckingham Palace back in her Princess days, couldn’t we?

    I mean, as long as we’re inventing scenarios out of whole cloth to force-fit this caller into serving as the sole culprit in the Unisock Theory, we might as well go all out, no?

    Similarly, we are asked to accept that Lee’s caller must be telling the truth that she started the starchild account yet was suffering from a sudden onset of intermittent dishonesty when she says her account was abandoned &/or hacked and she herself had nothing to do with the Nikki tweets because…er, why?

    Why, simply because that wouldn’t fit the unified sock theory either, it seems.

    So we’re bending over backwards to engage in the rawest of meandering speculation in order to create justifications for her when she says stuff that doesn’t fit she was the lone perpetrator in the Unisock Theory, but we’re incongruously taking completely at face value anything she says that does fit the theory. Suddenly no extenuating explanations & fancifully speculative excuses are required for that.

    But using the Koam-Stranahan method of cherry-picking evidence and concocting selectively operable explanations without any foundation to mitigate all the contradictions in logic & to allow us to jettison the inconvenient stuff that doesn’t fit, we can speculate until the cows come home.

    Inded, as I said, we could make an equally compelling case for the claim that the woman who called Preston & Stranahan was the Queen of England, but what would be the point of it?

    You’re not going to end up with a provable theory that passes muster with anybody whose capacity for reason requires real evidence to make logically sound deductions, all you’ll end up with is, well, a fairy tale, won’t you? A fun & fanciful diversion maybe, but in the end an utter waste of time – just as Jennifer Preston (and the BPD?) have themselves evidently concluded.

    leilani (ccfc7e)

  1558. Oops forgot to address this, also from koam in 1561: “But your argument is not with what JP believes, it’s with what Lee said she said. I believe Lee would tell the truth about what she said, so the question is, did she believe it or was she trying to trick Lee?”

    Wait, what? Even Jennifer Preston’s story has to go through the same selectively applicable process of acceptance into the body of evidence now?

    If she publicly says the story offered by the self-proclaimed JG she spoke with didn’t hold up under even the minimal scrutiny to which she subjected it and she can’t subscribe to Lee’s theory with a straight face, she might not be telling the truth because according to Lee she may have told him something vaguely different in private?

    But we have seen that quite a few others have objected to the way Lee has misunderstood &/or mischaracterized their own private conversations with him and have suggested he has a distressing habit of selectively hearing &/or cherry-picking their words to substantially distort what they’ve said.

    Yet we’re supposed to take at face value the iffy hearsay contention that JenP says in private something completely different than what she herself says directly in public – i.e., that the woman who called her was obviously a fake in her best judgement as an experienced journalist (who btw, just like cops, are required to adopt some tricks of the trade to ferret out imposters on the phone if they’re ever to get any work done at all since they are routinely the targets of attempted punkings) and she’s concluded that pursuing the woman who made that call would be a time-wasting wild goose chase.

    But why the heck should we? Toward what end?

    If you persist in selectively choosing only that which fits the theory and are simultaneously required to adopt a completely contradictory rationale to discount everything else which doesn’t fit it, what you end up with is not a theory, but a fantasy, koam, which is exactly why so many have heretofore declined to embrace Lee’s single sock solution.

    [And btw they’re declining to embrace his theory not because they ‘hate’ him as he suggests or even that they distrust him necessarily. It’s simply because they can’t subvert their intellects & subjugate their requirement for logical consistency in order to make sound rational deductions, therefore they can’t just take a leap of blind faith to arrive at the same unfounded conclusions at which he’s arrived. His very vaguely articulated & selectively chosen evidence happens to be singularly unpersuasive to people’s intellects. It’s not the skeptics’ fault they were born with fully-firing synapses.]

    leilani (ccfc7e)

  1559. JGma also lied about where she went to high school to lee and Preston and only admitted this when caught. She also filled her story with outlandish details, and used the same confidence games the socks used. – Comment by Sarahw — 7/7/2011 @ 9:00 pm [emph., mine]

    Ahhh. Exactly! Now we’re talking, Sarah.

    The Hunter factoid in particular was a completely extraneous & irrelevant one which suspiciously served – and still serves – as the typical time-honored con artist’s distraction device which in turn helps to obscure the fact that there was no more substantial evidence to make the case that the caller was the twitter user who posted as Nikki than there was to make the case the caller was Prince William’s granny.

    In other words, the hoaxer wants Jen Preston – and the rest of us – to believe that just because everyone can confirm that there exists a screenwriting instructor named Lew Hunter who had a student named JG, everything else the caller is saying must ipso facto be true. But Lew Hunter tells us no more about the caller’s ID than would a claim by the caller that she owns Corgis have given the Royal Dog Trainer license to confirm that the person Preston was speaking to is the Queen of England and everything she might say thereafter that is true.

    The mere fact that the caller tried to pull off that slight of hand – one of the most notorious tricks of the con artist trade – to establish her bona fides with Preston, was itself a pretty good indicator along with all her other contradictions and evasions that this self-proclaimed JG was bogus and no matter what Lee may or may not think she said to him in private, it’s pretty obvious that Jen Preston wasn’t buying the ruse, thanks to the tricks of her trade which lets journalists & cops determine whether the unseen people they’re speaking to on the phone are who they say they are.

    leilani (ccfc7e)

  1560. 1577 leilani

    I have tried to identify what was speculation, when I can. If I forget to, please always correct me. I’m not calling speculation a fact.

    I guess the driving force is that JG MA goes to the police and subjects herself to interrogation by detectives, as she said she was going to do. So if her story on the whole is utterly fake, I would expect it to be found out professionally. That’s why I was trying to infer what her intent would be in statements she made – not saying it’s true, just a what-if.

    What I’m not doing is calling statements lies that are not proven to be lies. I’m giving all the benefit of the doubt on general thruthiness until proven otherwise by facts.

    I think the hyperbole is fun, but not terribly relevant. I’m not offended.

    I don’t get the comment about force-fitting into the Unisock Theory, as I don’t think I’ve been reasoning or speculating in that direction. Lee is going in that direction, I take it. Lee doubts most of what JG said. I was saying it needs to be proven if certain parts are to be called false. So I don’t get what you’re saying.

    1578

    Where does JP say that JG is not legitimate? I may have forgotten. You’ve written quite a lot based on this. I know that one assertive follow up was to have Lee’s radio program censored after the fact.

    The snarkiness aside, do your comments allow that Lee and I don’t necessarily agree on this in general? I still don’t get it.

    The hyperbole and sarcasm can muddy the clarity of your purpose, which is what I’m interested in.

    1579

    So you’re with Pat’s theory (his hypothetical). OK. Why didn’t you just say that?

    Are the caller JGMA and BPD JGMA the same person and how are they related, or are they just new, unrelated players intent on pranking? Why does a new player with no stake take this to the police? Is she planning to vanish if BPD wants to take her to task for a false report?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1561. 1577 Leilani

    I didn’t say JG MA told the truth about studying with Hunter in CA. I don’t recall for sure if JGMA said that the study with Lew was specifically in CA. I don’t think that was specified, just assumed. Lee says JGMA said she was in CA and attends/attended UCLA. Hunter only teaches once a year at UCLA now. Lew’s semi-retired (my wording) as a Prof emeritus. She told Lee she attended the UCLA Creative Writing Program. The Writer’s Program at UCLA that starchild111 linked to on Twitter is an extension program, with online courses, so that can be confusing to figure out.

    I believe that Hunter said that he knew JG MA from his teaching retreats in NE. I don’t recall if Hunter denied or ever addressed having taught JG in CA as well. (This may be claimed somewhere).

    One reference is Lee’s notes on JG call. He posted these June 30 (call was June 19) after several asked him to put the info in writing. Prior to that it was all on podcasts…extremely hard to review and discuss. Also look at Lee’s posts before and after this for other parts of the story, as well as his radio podcasts.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1562. by all that holy
    conspiracy buffs have lots
    of stamina, damn!

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1563. Neal is just the sort of person to scare Jenny with a fake Lee or Lee-fan issuing a fake threat.

    But I’m not sure Lee was aware that such an explanation existed at the time he interpreted the fake threat the way he did (as a sign Jenny is lashing out and trying to stop him). I interpreted it the same way Lee did before I really looked into what Neal was capable of.

    Knowing now that Neal could easily do exactly what appears to have happened, my guess is that someone did scare the hell out of Jenny, mainly in an effort to screw with Lee, but also because he wants to establish something about the bloggers and commenters who have been pursuing this story. He consistently manufactures theories of stalking and cyber crimes that didn’t exist in order to present himself as the good guy.

    Obviously I am speculating, but it fits the facts well. Just keep in mind that someone is doing all they can to manipulate folks like Lee and us.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1564. 1584 Dustin.

    In which case there is a scared JG MA.

    What do you make of claimed lies that JG MA may have told Lee and/or JP? Don’t lies or inconsistencies prove that JG MA is not a real person? (Not my assertion, but see 1577)

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1565. Don’t lies or inconsistencies prove that JG MA is not a real person?

    They prove she has been deceptive. And frankly, I would be deceptive if I were in her shoes.

    Yes, if I’m right, Jenny is a victim, and collateral damage of someone willing to exploit innocent people if he thinks it will harm the reputation of his enemies.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1566. 1586 Dustin.

    That’s what I was sayin’.
    I was roundly roiled for postulating that today.

    What do you think might have happened to @starchild111 then?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1567. What do you think might have happened to @starchild111 then?

    Hell if I know. The problem with this story is that I know someone is trying to manipulate me, but I also know some aren’t. It’s impossible to select an appropriate degree of paranoia and trust right now.

    All I know is that I don’t know, brother.

    I was roundly roiled for postulating that today.

    I’d say join the club, but you’re a charter member.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1568. I mean… once you cross this threshold of possibility, you quickly realize we could (are) dealing with some tremendously awful characters. And yes, I do recall Koam making this observation well before I did.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1569. Hit Parade Time…..Flashback

    6/25/2011
    An Important Message to Weinergate Bloggers/Journalists, Part 1
    Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:27 pm

    Did you write this?

    “That I will do, including fighting any legal action to compel me to divulge my source. There is a foundation that would support me in that cause. . . .

    We are ultimately, the sum of our actions. If you’ve done something for which you feel guilty, the best course is confession and amends, at least that’s my personal experience. As presented, that is what this would represent within a reasonable form. So, it’s up to you. It certainly has been an interesting exchange. If you’d like to go forward, please let me know. I will live up to my end of the bargain, such as it is. Thank you.”

    If you recognize this as your writing, you need to write me ASAP at patterico AT gmail DOT com.

    It is not the only quote of yours I have.

    Preview from Part 2:

    Once I received the information, this email trail would be deleted and, as far as I am concerned, you would not exist.”

    Yes, I have the rest. She may be telling you I don’t. But I do.

    Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2011 @ 5:33 pm

    So what of this?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1570. 1589 Dustin

    I did? I’m late to the Neal stuff. I know the chatter but haven’t focused on it really. But I often forget what I’ve said earlier…so if you come across something, lemme know.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1571. Last time I checked in that thread the take-away was Nixon’s the one. Or a gang rapist, I couldn’t quite make it out.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1572. I don’t know what’s real anymore.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1573. I did?

    Yeah, you mentioned the general point that some of the possibilities here would mean we’re dealing with some monstrous people. I’ve been reflecting on that as I learn more about Neal and his work with Mr Kimberlin.

    I actually thought you were pretty specifically talking about the possibility Jenny is a literally discrete person who was being manipulated into thinking she was threatened by Lee/Lee supporters. But that may just be my imagination combined with my thoughts on this.

    RE your 1590, that’s probably not related to what we’re talking about. Other than it appearing that someone was being manipulated by someone they shouldn’t trust. I think Patterico was trying to make a specific point to someone, rather than giving us clues of tremendous importance.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1574. Last time I checked in that thread the take-away was Nixon’s the one. Or a gang rapist, I couldn’t quite make it out.

    Comment by SarahW — 7/8/2011 @ 12:57 pm

    Yeah, it’s quite the trainwreck.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1575. 1595 Dustin

    You’re right.

    See 1146, 1151, 1164.

    Really evil to make a pawn/patsy of an innocent JGMA, then threaten her life, and falsely implicate Lee in doing so. On that call, Lee thinks she’s behind it all and she thinks he’s the one. And neither are.

    Noticed that a deleted post here and there has screwed up the reference numbers in places.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1576. Eveerybody seems to be assuming this all began sometime early this year or late last year. I think that’s causing some of the confusion.

    I don’t understand why nobody seems to be considering the following theory:

    JG in Massachusetts is an alias. This alias was adiopted quite some time ago, maybe just for limited purposes. JG/MA sought to create some confirmation of this name and found a JG in California. She went a class in Nebraska where basically she pretended to be JG/CA. She then had a reference.

    The Boston police may not be like the police in Cambridge Massachusetts. Maybe they don’t ask for ID or state ID. n any case if she is associated with the Reeds, there is a known abaility to forge although mayeb teh faxed IDs weren’t good forgeries.

    JG/MA created the starchild account and later turned it over to some other people she was associated with,.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1577. 1597 Sammy

    Why didn’t we all think of that?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1578. Curious and contorted tale in’it?
    Maybe deputy da here should bring in Darryl Issa
    (CA) and sinlinlin (NJ) in for some questioning

    Dem blokes didn’t bark!

    JennyFTB (d143f7)

  1579. 1599 JennyFTB

    made ya look…

    we’re at 1600

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1580. And she says: “You just have no idea how deep this goes.”

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1581. koam–
    I’m curious about something if you’d care to comment–

    You are obviously one of the people on this site who is most deeply engaged in the Weinergate mystery. You’ve taken lots of notes, interviewed people, done internet research, followed twitter fights, explained things, and transcribed Lee’s radio shows. All very helpful. So here’s my question: If, in your mind, you were to go back, say two weeks to June 24, have you changed, enlarged, subtracted, been surprised by, or revisited, any aspects of the SSS (single sock solution) during that time? More simply, is your theory today basically/exactly the same as it was two weeks ago or have you honed it or perfected it in any way that you are aware of? This is not a trick question BTW.

    elissa (157504)

  1582. 1590 koam

    Ron says it ain’t him on Twitter.

    @ronbryn
    Ron Brynaert
    patterico.com/2011/06/30/som…
    That most definitely reads nothing like I would write, if anyone is wondering. If I go to jail for Dan, it’s me alone.
    57 minutes ago via web

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1583. wtf?

    elissa (157504)

  1584. Hoot WTF indeed but interesting.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  1585. 1602 elissa

    I haven’t interviewed anyone or done more than read the blogs, comments, tweets, and do google searches for old info. There are a dozen others who have done as much…they’re just smart enough to take some time off while, um, nothing’s happening. And I’ve tried to either stay out of the disputes among commenters (see how I don’t usually bite back when mocked), or I’ve tried to smooth things over between others. and I have a lousy memory for what happened when and would have to go through and see what developments happened since June 24.

    I don’t know for sure what I thought on that date. Maybe I didn’t know what I thought then either. I think that at some earlier time was more down with Lee’s assessment of his JG call from June 19. (but not entirely by any means). I think Lee concluded that JGMA was the big kahuna, the real queen of all socks. For a while he was 90% sure (his words) that JG CA was the real caller. I was never there, and I tried to poke a little fun at the notion, calling her Cute Kitty Video Blogger. That theory was like “Deep Throat” from Watergate turned out to be Mary Richards (or Ted Baxter.) But I never held with Lee’s outright suspicions about most of what JGMA told him, because I thought the labeling of those things as lies lacked concrete proof.

    As time has progressed, I think there’s more evidence (circumstantial and logical) for a real JG MA who’s a patsy.

    OK, you made me look. June 24 is day of Lee’s follow-up radio show about JG MA call “Nikki Revealed for Real” “Conjecture is over.” after having confirmed JG MA ID w/ Prof Lew Hunter & wife.

    In fact, I did a summary there, at comment #91, in which I took Lee’s statements and sorted them into claimed facts and inferences. Here’s the list:

    Hope Lee does a writeup soon.

    What he states as facts:

    Starchild111 originally had name “Jenay”
    Starchild111 had links to UCLA Screenwritng School
    He and Preston got calls from a Jenny who
    1) said she started Starchild111
    2) had closed it
    3) claimed to receive death threats
    4) said she’s not into politics at all
    5) gave sob stories to Preston about family
    6) said she’s a real person from MA / UCLA
    7) said UCLA screenwriting prof could confirm her identity
    has MA accent
    6) probably other stuff I’m forgetting

    Lee says he found UCLA Prof and

    1) believes him to be a real person, author, well-known, etc.
    2) Finally tracked him down just this morning
    3) Prof and Mrs Prof both knew Jenny by name as real person who has been to classes, retreats, seminars, etc. (not just an online friend)
    4) that she’s from MA
    5) that she’s very political/liberal, like the prof
    6) prof says Jenny wouldn’t attack Weiner because she’s very liberal
    7) prof says she’s unstable

    After that, Lee piecines together of the story based on beliefs and deduction rather than hard facts that anyone has stated or confirmed. Not criticizing ..just trying to put things into separate lists…Above, the stated facts & Below, theories based on those facts.

    Lee’s theory is that

    1) Jenny was a paramour of Weiner’s who at some point got upset with him. (he dumped her, she saw other women he was engaging with, or something)
    2) Jenny converted account from “Jenay” over to “Nikki Reid”
    3) Jenny is also Mrs Patricia Reid, Marialena Alicea, and John Reid
    3) Jenny is probably the person behind @PatriotUSA1776
    4) Jenny is probably another unnamed sock,
    5) motivations of jilted & unhinged liberal woman

    Comment by koam — 6/24/2011 @ 11:53 am

    Since then, we got Lee to document the call himself, and he labeled all the things JGMA said as either truths or lies.

    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-notes-on-my-619-jenny-george-call

    I still have big doubts about most of the things Lee decide were lies. He specifically declined to give reasons for each of those conclusions. I also have a huge doubt, shared with Lee, about Preston’s conclusion that Hunter is a phony guy with a fake web site who “punked” her and Lee.

    I think now more than back then, I accept the concept of a real JG MA who’s a patsy. She was called and threatened, not by Lee, of course, but by whoever’s behind all this. She did start Starchild111 and she did abandon it. Someone took it over – there are a thousand ways for that to happen, not the least of which is that most people use lousy passwords. The reality of JGMA is strongly underscored by her going to BPD. Lee’s statement about BPD closing the case is likely indicative of his exoneration. The threat callers were just pinning it on Lee, so the case is still open. I think the calls happened. This is just a theory. I can’t prove it all, but I think it’s a better theory than others.

    More that we’ve learned since June 24 points to a real, innocent JGMA. I’m more in that camp now than I was back then.

    I don’t think JR9 was Dan Wolfe. I did a detailed comparison of the two (because I think I was among the first of many to see similarities, including the idea that they could be women) and concluded that they’re not the same person.

    One question, can anyone figure out if JR9’s twitter stream from June 21 was written on a computer, phone, etc? I’ve seen where twitter shows certain apps where tweets originated. How do we find that for Reid’s initial Twitter awakening?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1586. 1604 elissa

    see 1590. Hit parade…flashback

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1587. What’s WTF worthy about that? Are you guys just not following what he meant? He’s not saying his twitter comments aren’t his. He’s saying he wasn’t part of this conversation. His comment about going to jail is not related to anything specifically happening to him, but rather just noting his devotion and … dramatic tone (I’m trying to be charitable to him).

    Ron’s simply noting that he wasn’t part of that conversation. I totally believe him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1588. I’m talking about Ron when I say “he” in 1608. Koam cross posted on the more general topic when I typed it.

    BTW, good thinking, Koam.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1589. 1609 Dustin

    Yes Ron’s denying he wrote that clue that Pat dropped a few weeks ago (ref 1590)

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1590. –Sorry, Dustin @1608– The “if I go to jail” thing that was printed in bold just looked like a very strange thing to say. If it was on here before and explained, I apparently missed it. It still doesn’t make any sense but I’ll take your word for it.

    –koam @1606–thanks. When I asked my question I did not intend for you to have to go to all that much work, but it was interesting. I’m afraid I cannot assist you with your inquiry about JR9’s twitter feed, though, because I treat twitter as the devil.

    elissa (157504)

  1591. 1611 elissa
    re: 1608, oh not that strange

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1592. Re: 1577 leilani

    My apologies if I wasn’t clear.

    For the record, I don’t ascribe to any theory and am mainly intrigued with the processes and approaches of those trying to unravel this entire set of mysteries. I am interested in how someone gets to a conclusion from a given bit of information, and what data is available to help sort it all out (since much of this story involves media that I don’t use). I am occupying my spare time learning by observation while I await the end of the story.

    I was not trying to justify the caller in any way. I don’t know the extent or content of the conversation between JP and JG/MA and have simply been trying to understand the pieces of the story that I have caught. Some of the commenters here have been kind enough to try to help me catch up.

    I had seen the reference to the caller’s inability to identify her elementary school and I know from personal experience that such inability can exist for perfectly valid reasons. So invalidating someone’s story – IF it was done primarily on the basis of that one point – and sometimes that seemed to be the implication – seemed like jumping to conclusions. However, another commenter set me straight and indicated that there were several other points in the conversation that added to credibility concerns. (Thanks to SarahW.)

    I never went to “Journalism 101” and don’t know what would be in the textbook regarding “scammer screening questions”. Can they sometimes result in “false positives”? Perhaps you would be willing to help me understand those issues better?

    Please and thank you.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1593. we had to kill the thread to save the thread…

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1594. end at 1616?

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1595. ClonelHaiku,

    I don’t think so, we have not resolved the initial assignment from Patterico.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1596. Excellent point, Joe.
    Did someone provide a theory explaining the impossibility of the propositions? My impression is that most of the theories and information discussed suggest the propositions are possible.
    Have I missed a disqualifier?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1597. So ends a long day
    Confusion remains unsolved
    Morning seeks anew.

    Dear ColonelHaiku, my poor effort is intended as a compliment to your skills, which I have enjoyed.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1598. I’m not wedded to any particular theory in this affair, and I’m not sure who all the players are, but I believe the players all thought discovery would drop as soon as AW resigned. Nobody expected Patterico and Lee to stay with it. But, when they kept right on going, it threw the players into a panic, causing them to act on damage control.

    Patterico was contacted by JR (sock or not), so he worked that angle. In pressuring JR, NR appeared suddenly. I actually wondered if NR was
    a frustrated NR coming out from behind the screen. I believe NR is one of the significant players.

    After the frustrated NR arrived on the scene, the death threats began. Yet none of the initial threats threw anybody off the case. Then, after
    a couple of days, this JG call comes up, and she just happened to have started the Starchild 111 account.

    Now I’m not saying ths development to be insignificant, I rather see it as just one aspect of the whole. And, I can’t get by the feeling that this development was a diversion. It needed to have some significant truth in it for the ploy to work.

    You will notice how JR is no longer on the scene. What happened to him? Where did he go?

    Further, I still have significant questions about the role Gennette played in this. I keep wondering what she felt she saw that drew her into it? What was her relationship to AW? And,
    why she felt she needed to stick with Nickii for so long? Last but not least, why did she suddenely encourage Nikii to contact Weiner when she did?

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, why aren’t we discussing and inquiring into the various aspects
    of this story? JG is far from the only loose end.
    Perhaps, we need other puzzle pieces before the whole picture will be understood.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1599. –Sorry, Dustin @1608– The “if I go to jail” thing that was printed in bold just looked like a very strange thing to say

    OK, I’ll grant it’s a strange thing to blurt out, Elissa. No, I have seen no explanation for that. I mean… he’s referencing the excerpted conversation talking about fighting a court order to reveal a source (Ron is saying he would keep the identify of PUSA76 a secret, even if held in contempt). But this is not a necessary observation, since that’s not the confidentiality being discussed in the email.

    Anyway, I guess I have to confess I’m used to Ron being… dramatic, so I didn’t see that as anything special.

    His denial of that excerpt didn’t even seem necessary to me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1600. Thanks for your kind words, Sue. With all the deep thinkers at Patterico, I’ve found that if I can’t dazzle them with brilliance, I can certainly baffle ’em with BS!

    ColonelHaiku (822dce)

  1601. Sue,

    The original as offered by Patterico while plausable adds a layer of complexitity to what might be a very simple story. However, this entire #Weinergate has been more complex with many unexpected twists and turns.

    I don’t see the need for the hoaxter to hate Lee or Breitbart. Just a need to direct attention away from real trail to help provide cover.

    If Niiki Reid is fake, then John Reid is fake. I am still not sure that I agree that JG created starchild111, had someone else take it over “as-is” and then spend 5 months slowly switching the persona to Nikki Reid.

    Only “public” ties between any JG is the cache search results. We still don’t know why JP was trying to contact JG(CA) as early as June 14.

    The June 19th JG(MA) call claimed that she had created the startchild111 id but since she lied about many items as Lee documents

    http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-notes-on-my-619-jenny-george-call

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1602. 1620 capn

    After Patterico contact w/ JR, “NR appeared suddenly”

    Nikki Reid and Neal Rauhauser share initials. Presumably you mean Neal.

    Can we all please use Neal & Nikki in lieu of NR going forward?

    Did the threats not start before Neal became publicly involved by writing at Kos?

    Do you have some ideas about Gennette’s role?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1603. 1618 Sue

    The person claiming to be “Jennifer George” who called Lee was a hoaxer.

    (If this is what you meant by “propositions.”)

    This is false. Pat may have thought it was possible on June 30, but since then the players have indicated that the JG MA who called Lee is real and have been circumspect about discussing her, indicating she’s real, she’s filed a police report, and that they don’t want to say too much in that regard.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1604. Tweet from Patterico last night

    Spoke to detective on case where JG claimed @Stranahan threatened her. Not just unhelpful; appallingly rude.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1605. #625

    Your right about the initials Koam, sorry if I confused you. Perhaps that was a type of slip. The possibility that neal could have been both Nikii and John is one of the scenerios my mind is open to. At least, he may have used the sock on occasion.

    This not to say I believe neal was a lone wolf. This was a group of people acting as a team. Some amongst us may be leaning to a theory that JG was the team leader, while others lean towards neal (neal is certainly an alpha personality). I tend to lean towards neal at this time, but I am open to other possibilites. The operational organization structure of this team is another area that needs further fleshing. If John Reid and family are socks, it provides structural information.

    Gennette claims she noticed Starchild/Nikii’s activities on tweat, and that is what drew her in.
    If that is true, I would love her to explain what is was in the Starchild/Nikii account behavior that caught her eye. She said Nikii’s attention to Weiner, but I’m having difficulty buying that.
    I mean, so what if somebody was following Weiner.
    What specifically made Nikii’s activity different from others?

    There are other hanging chads surrounding Gennette that deserve closer examination, as well.
    After all,she was having phone conversations with Wiener. How did that come about? Gennette seemed to indicate that it had to do with her little investigation. An investigation she wanted us to help her with, yet was far from forthcoming with details that would help.

    So, like yourself, I would like to hear people’s thoughts.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1606. Re: 1627 — Cordova’s involvement with Starchild111 stems from the fact that Starchild111 contacted her on 05/05 and immediately began trying to strike up a friendship.

    At that point, Cordova already knew a group of people were monitoring both her and Weiner’s twitter streams, because the group had already singled her out in multiple tweets.

    If you want more specifics on what happened when, up until June 7, here’s a timeline I’ve been maintaining.

    Because Google has at least temporarily removed its Realtime search functionality, some of the links no longer work.

    Greg (e0d909)

  1607. I guess I didn’t code the link correctly. Here’s the timeline.

    Greg (e0d909)

  1608. Greg, that must have taken a lot of work. Thanks for linking it. You might even want to link it to your name (throw the URL in the website block).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1609. 1627 capn

    I think GC’s story is that she got a follow or tweet from Nikki, wondered who Nikki was, and noticed that Nikki was following/tweeting other online GFs of Weiner. This made GC suspicious of Nikki’s motives. (Presumably, Girls who love Weiner, follow Weiner, not other Girls who love Weiner. With #bornfreecrew already out there, GC, smart lady she is, is suspicious of Nikki…she says from the get-go.)

    If I have that wrong, someone please let me know.

    Gennette, you’re the source, so please feel free.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1610. 1627 capn
    1638 greg

    We should also note that #bornfreecrew , while portrayed as some kind of secret, sneaky right-wing hacker-ish society if you only read MSM, was, evidently, doing its observation and finger-pointing very openly on a day-to-day basis, for all to see. They were out there warning young girls about Weiner’s pattern of socializing online with other young girls. And this was public.

    Gennette, a fan and friend of Weiner, thought this #bornfreecrew activity was suspicious, harassment and somehow nefarious. Weiner played as if it were too. Other girls commented that they were opposed to being talked to by #bornfreecrew and its allies (moms, etc.) who warned them. Instead they defended Weiner as a hero. (JR9 said as much. In that case, it may be an act. Who knows?)

    But now we know what Weiner was actually up to with his camera, twitter, facebook, email, and phone and a bevy of young ladies.

    And we know that the warnings from #bornfreecrew to young ladies, particularly, Ethel, who is a real high school girl, were admirable warnings.

    The papers didn’t really cover it that way.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1611. #628

    Greg, Thank you for straightening me out on that key point. Not certian how I go turned around on that point. I appreciate it very much.

    I’ve tooke the time to read through your entire timeline, and I can’t say enough how helpful it is.

    Thank you for sharing your extensive work.

    Now, I’m going to read it again, and think this thing through again.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1612. Wow! How did *taken* morph into “tooke” ?

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1613. Wittier,

    I asked Gennette about her communcation with Rep. Wiener before the May 27 package tweet when she was here on the blog pushing the JR thread.

    She was not intersted in “her” but wanted to focus on finding JR. Again part of my theory of individuals with an agenda trying to direct focus away from them.

    I personally don’t see her as a true victim, she was active in the communication with Rep. Weiner before the May 27 tweet heard round the world. She continues to play a victim but there are many missing facts to support her as a true random victim of the package tweet.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1614. 1635 Joe

    I don’t understand.
    First sentence OK.

    2nd: Gennette didn’t want to answer your questions about her communications history with Weiner prior to the 27 photo tweet. Is that what you are saying?

    In what way is this a response to my posts 1631 & 1632?

    I understand you have a theory about Gennette’s history. I don’t think I referred to any of that in my recent posts. I’m just trying to follow the flow here.

    If we want to shift to what you’re discussing, my observed pattern for GC is that she tries to answer truthfully when she chooses to chime in and can add value. She doesn’t feel it’s her obligation to tell all, and certainly not here where she hasn’t been consistently treated with deference and respect. This is neither for nor against her; just my observation.

    I asked if she’d like to chime in on my summation in 1631 in response to cap’n’s 1627, to indicate if I made any errors in recollection. I don’t expect GC to come forth with more info about what transpired privately between her and AW.

    But maybe she’ll surprise us all.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1615. Koam,

    I agree, Gennette could shed considerable light.
    I also agree with Joe’s point. IF her desire for the discovery of JR and others were sincere, she would be willing to pitch in. Short of that, I’m not sharing as high a regard for her as you do.
    My mind is open though.

    I, like others, have many questions concerning many facets of this story. And, while I may focus on this one or that one at any given time, I don’t want ot loose the big picture.

    As to what I feel about the JG/Hunter connection:
    The way JG uses Hunter as a reference is quite odd. Also, that Hunter would feel the need to suggest JG is liberal, AND a little off, sets off many red flags.

    How much do we know about Hunter? I mean really know.

    Also, what are your feelings and instincts concerning JP insiting to Lee that this goes
    too deep?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1616. 1637 cap’n

    GC & JR are potential sources of information, so I figure until we know more, I don’t need to judge them – or they’ll clam up. I think GC got more than she bargained for multiplied 10,000 times. Whatever she was doing wasn’t so bad. She evidently talked to JP and JP spun a story in GC’s favor. (for example, the story doesn’t state the key fact that GC is the one who brought up the topic of AW with Nikki. Yet the NYT story says Nikki is the obsessed one….but fails to mention that she never broached the topic with GC for a month. It’s not all that important, but there was a choice in how it could have been reported. We had to wait for JR9 to show up here and release documents for GC to tell that side of it.)

    I don’t think an innocent JG using Hunter as a reference is strange in any way. Others disagree. Look: She’s scared. She calls Lee. He says, “Call my friend JP of the most prestigious name in news, the NYT. She’ll tell you I’m no killer. See, I have friends at NYT who know something about this case too. I’m not dangerous.” JP asks JG for some info about her, and a reference. JG’s not supposed to give a friend or relative, who are not impartial. JP asks, “do you know anyone who’s got a public background, or who’s verifiable as an independent party.” At that age I would have given a professor’s name as well. 100% sure I would have. Hunter has a long history and is a known person. If what Lee and Ron say that JP said about Hunter is true (that, is, if she actually said Lew’s a faker and this goes way deep), I think that’s crazy talk. Whether she meant it or not is another thing altogether. She has been known to say things to try to get what she wants. (Her approach to JC CA, is an example…of course, in both cases, she didn’t get what she seemed to want and was lightly ridiculed by both Lee & JG CA.) And, certainly, JP could know things that we haven’t been told yet.

    Perhaps it goes deep. I dunno. But doesn’t go deep on the back of Lew Hunter being a phony, based on what I’ve seen.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1617. 1639 koam

    1639 is a scenario based on cap’n’s question of what could have happened. The quotes are conjecture about how it may have gone down, given that we’re not being told the details.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1618. Re: 1626 koam @ wittier
    Ok, thanks. That explains the Update.
    Let me ask, though, whether it has been established that the person who called Lee is the same person who called the police? (Is it not possible that one person could have called Lee and another person could have been threatened and called police?) It seems like a reasonable assumption that there was only one person, but this story seems to involve so many reasonable assumptions that somehow go awry, that I am fascinated by the twists and turns. Please note that I am not suggesting anything or accusing anyone; I am just curious about what links have been resolved and to what extent and in what manner.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1619. Re: 1630 Greg
    Thanks for the timeline. It is very helpful for someone like me that needs to go back and see it in writing a few times.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1620. I want to thank you, Koam, for all the hard work you have done on this, as well as, the patience to put up with questions from people like myself.
    It is appreciated. I’ve been trying to catch up, and keep up on all the details in between life.

    I finally did some reading about Mr. Hunter, and I don’t think him involved, at all.

    In contimplating your take on JG, I’m wondering
    of the people surrounding JG. Somebody close enough to use, assume, or steal her twitter account.

    Sue’s question is a good one also.

    So many details, so much verification needing pursuit, and so few new revelations.

    Regardless, this story wouldn’t be where it is without your steadfastness, Koam.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1621. Re: 1636 Joe
    Gennette may have already answered this elsewhere and I’m sorry if I missed it and am going over old ground. But what reason does Gennette give for wanting to “focus on finding JR”?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1622. I also want to thank you, koam, for the transcriptions and responses and other notes and summaries you have provided. They are wonderful aids and much appreciated.

    My thanks to all the commenters here who have been so patient and informative.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1623. 1641 Sue

    I think this has been discussed. I think the JG MA who went to the police also discussed Hunter, but not sure where that’s cited. Since Lee believes almost nothing about this JG, he’d likely have thought that it could be a different person and have gone into that. Her report & interview must have included mentions of calling Lee & Preston. Lee would have to have said that to the detective. Pat tweeted last night about a rude & unhelpful Boston detective, but don’t know if it’s the same one or not.

    Here’s Lee’s first writeup about police calling him.
    http://leestranahan.com/jenny-george-files-police-report-accusing-me-of-making-threats-against-her

    Detective Thornton
    http://www.bpdnews.com/2010/03/18/detective-ellis-thornton-awarded-a-commissioner%E2%80%99s-commendation/

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1624. Sue & Wittier,

    No there has been no conformation that the JG(MA) that called Lee is the same actual person that filed the police report in Boston.

    That is part of Patterico’s set of assumptions on this blog entry. There could have been a Hoaxser on the phone and a real JG(MA) that received a threat or threats from a “Fake” Lee or “fake” Lee followers.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1625. Sue,

    Back to Gennette not answering my questions:

    In this blog thread: https://patterico.com/2011/06/26/a-couple-of-random-quotes/ GC was active so I asked a key question about her communication with Rep. Weiner.

    173.Hi Gennette,

    Welcome back and Happy belated 22nd Birthday!

    One thing in this whole #weinergate that continues to puzzle me was concerning the last communication you had with Rep. Weiner before he sent the package picture on May 27.

    We know he tweeted the #Thats545InSeattleIThink and that you retweeted it but there was a several hour gap before the fateful tweet that brought you into the public discussion.

    05/27/2011 16:00 @RepWeiner tweets that he is “Heading to 30 Rock to chat with Rachel at 9. #Thats545InSeattleIThink”
    05/27/2011 19:30 @GennetteNicole re-tweets @RepWeiner’s “30 Rock” message along with “#Thats545InSeattleIThink”
    05/27/2011 20:00 @RepWeiner tweets “@GennetteNicole http://yfrog.com/h25m3luj”
    05/27/2011 20:04 @RepWeiner tweets “Killng me!! RT @kknapp1: @RepWeiner that is a tragedy! #EpicGame”
    05/27/2011 20:05 @RepWeiner tweets “my tivo ate the hockey game! #WhoCanISue?”

    Joe

    Comment by Joe Smith — 6/26/2011 @ 4:01 pm

    Her response was:

    183.@JoeSmith
    Thanks Joe. And it puzzles me also. We hadn’t communicated that day at all unless you count my retweet. I’m only answering that because you prefaced the inquiry with a “happy belated birthday” wish.
    Like I’ve said, I’m interested in finding info on the Reids, not answering questions about AW.

    We now know that she was DMing Nikki and actually got the communication going between Nikki and Rep. Weiner based on the JR doc dumps. So her involvement is much earlier than the May 27 package event. She is a key player in the “entire” event!

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1626. Thank you all for the help and clarifications.
    I am going back through the timeline and notes and summaries and hoping for inspiration to strike… 🙂
    I hope everyone stays safe and I will look forward to more information to come out soon.
    Thanks again.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1627. Call the time patrol:

    I discovered an anachronism:

    The comment that was NOt left by Jennifer George on the St Louis activist website;

    http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2011/06/is-starchild111-actually-jennifer.html

    That goes:
    Excuse me could you please provide a contact number? I am Jennifer George from Los Angeles and I am getting calls now because of your blog. I’d like you to take this down. I have nothing to do with your ridiculous story. I will be calling the police as I am getting threats due to this. What is your number?

    June 19, 2011 5:11 PM

    Was NOt theer ion June 19. I saved the text of taht page on June 21, and although all the updates are there, and teh Seattle545 comment, that is not theer.

    Sammy Finkelnan (d3daeb)

  1628. 1650 sammy

    Old news.

    JG CA has said she did not leave that comment on STLAH. She specifically denied leaving that comment already, a long time ago, after she was directly asked about it. This is documented on her own site on July 1.

    That comment on STLAH’s blogspot is apparently mischief.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1629. At around 3:40 PM Eastern Daylight time on June 21, 2011, the Jennifer George comment on the STLA website that is dated June 19, 2011 5:11 PM (just three minutes after the post by Anonymous) was NOT there. Not there.

    It *was* there in the printout of the page I made on July 7 and it still there now. But it was not there on June 23!!

    June 23 was already after there had been two updates, and even after teh second update was updated with the words “So far, it is not entirely clear whether that exdplanation is even possible” crossed ouyt and presumably the words “Sounds like Twitter does make accounts available after 30 days of deactivation, so this story is possibly true” added.

    Just like now, there were 3 comments to that post. But the first comment was one dated June 19, 4:48 PM, that said that there was someone in Canada who had used the username starchild111, with links included. This has disappeared.

    The third comment link, when I saved the contents of the page was the seattle545 comment dated
    June 20, 2011 2:26 AM with the fake Weiner-Gennette DMs that “reveal” that Gennete controls the Nikki account and 4 overlapping starchild111 scvreencaps of public tweets posted in mixed up order – probably coming from two widely different time periods, with the transitiion in the middle of of one of teh screen caps. What seattle545 postyed was piosted before it was really ready.

    It doesn’t say it is from seattle545. All comments on the STLA website except maybe from
    people who registered are posted as comming from Anonymous. But that’s the second mass commenty posting by seattle545. You apperently don’t need to supply a name on the STLA website. Anyway that’s the third one.

    The second one on June 23 is now the first, and INSERTED IN THE MIDDLE after June 23, 2011
    3:40 pm is:

    “Excuse me could you please provide a contact number? I am Jennifer George from Los Angeles and I am getting calls now because of your blog. I’d like you to take this down. I have nothing to do with your ridiculous story. I will be calling the police as I am getting threats due to this. What is your number?

    June 19, 2011 5:11 PM”

    Shall we say that Adam copied soemthing over from private mail?

    But “Jennifer George” says she doesn’t have a contact number! That sound slike maybe she has no way to leave a message. I haven’t studied the STLA website so maybe itcould have been a private comment.

    Interestingly it doesn’t appear AFTER the June 20 comment, but right in time order.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1630. Sammy,

    Wittier is quite correct. JG(CA) denied leaving the message on the STLA Adams blog post. She also posted the twiter exchange with Lane Lipton @lanelipton on her page: http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html and she answered Lane Lipton @lanelipton on twitter again denying that she had authored that anon message.

    Just an attempt at more misdirection by someone…

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1631. I see that there is a sidebar on the STLA page that says: (I didn’t capture that part)

    Anonymous tips? Send email to stlactivisthubtips@yahoo.com

    So the fake Jennifer George *could* have emailed it less than 2 hours after Adam posted his message at Posted by Adam at 3:16 PM – BTW, two hours after and she’s already getting calls and threats?

    But getting it in email doesn’t explain why, if Adam transfereed it over later from email to the public comments – sometime after 3:40 PM June 23 EDT – it appears BEFORE the seattle545 comment left on June 20, 2011 2:26 AM.

    I don’t know – maybe the website software automatically adjusts position.

    The real Jennifer George of California said on June 30 – she wasn’t asked about it until June 30 – a further indication that it appeared on the website later than when it is dated – that would be why she wasn’t asked about it before – that she did not author that comment:

    http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    UPDATE, JULY 1, 2011: NEW CORRESPONDENCE.

    7:25 pm, June 30, 2011
    [http://twitter.com/#!/LaneLipton/status/86621368833155072]
    From: @LaneLipton Lane Lipton

    I’m curious if @blogarsay authored this comment: tinyurl.com/3cjt5ys & if so, why she thought story was “ridiculous” Or was it impersonator?

    9:36 pm, June 30, 2011
    [http://twitter.com/#!/blogarsay/status/86654278915194880]
    From: @blogarsay Jennifer George

    @LaneLipton I did not author that comment.

    10:01 pm, June 30, 2011
    [http://twitter.com/#!/LaneLipton/status/86660562049695746]
    From: @LaneLipton Lane Lipton.

    @blogarsay that makes sense – thx J

    The tinyurl.com/3cjt5ys gets you right to the spot in the STLA webopage where the comment appears.

    Another thing I don’t necessarily find suspicious that the search that turns up Jennifer George already has Jennifer George in the search. He says he looked at old searched and it is posisble and even likely a variety of seasrch terms were used and he;’s just finding it again.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1632. Perhaps all the comments were in moderation? That’s one way to account for the odd-date comment. Perhaps Adam put that one up some days after it was submitted?

    Who knows. Clearly someone wanted to point at an LA JG. Ms. BostonJG (lee’s caller) seems to have dissembled about her residence in LA.

    I’m bored of idiot trolling by now.. I’m not sure I care anymore.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1633. 1652 – 1655 Sammy, Joe, Sarah

    What if it were JGMA who left that message on STLAH blogspot?

    Good thought by Sarah that comments could’ve been in moderation. Also JGMA was on that day saying she was in LA (possibly because she feared the threats & wanted to divert people from her real location, or possibly because she’s full of it).

    Does anyone know if there’s a way to manipulate the dates on comments left on blogspot? From that incident where a certain blogger mentioned in this exchange posted a faked wordpress post falsely dated a year ago, so as to appear momentarily to be highly scandalous, we learned that the owner, at least, of a wordpress blog can slap whatever date s/he wants on it. I doubt that works for outside commenters, haven’t tried.

    As for the “quick response” to the discovery of the name, things were moving quickly then, right? I think the day before (June 18) is when az5thdstrct circulated the starchild111 screen cap with “Jenay”. Then June 19 was both the STLAH “Is StarChild111 Actually ‘Jennifer George?'” post and also when Lee got the call. I don’t know if we know the date that JG MA allegedly received the threatening calls. Do we know if she has said that they were received after this STLAH item went up or after Lee was talking about it?

    Sammy, good thought on how JG (false LA) comment on STLAH didn’t appear at the time stated and how she wasn’t asked about this or it wasn’t discussed until much later. (Moderation, tampering, Adam catching up, who knows?)

    Is STLAH the type to have his fingers in this to a greater extent than has been discussed? Certainly he has a confrontational past (“archenemy” of Dana Loesch, it would seem, from their heated exchanges caught on video. He also said at one point that accusations against DL & AB (e.g., that they had hacked Weiner’s accounts) were overstated in this case ).

    We now have two events tied to STLAH – the “discovery” of the JG name and the appearance of this comment (“I’m JG LA and I’ve been threatened. What’s your number?”) after the fact, which is possibly within the control of STLAH. Has he been asked about why it appeared at a later date anywhere (or do any of his notes explain why)?

    By the way, I figured out that one way that STLAH could have organically figured out the JG name was to assume Jenay stood for Jennifer, then search on Google for Jennifer @starchild111. (“Jenay + Starchild111” don’t get you to JG name. You have to make the assumption that Jenay is really a Jennifer.) There are other ways as well, and these were available on June 18. STLAH didn’t specify the method used to find the full JG name.

    Background post by STLAH on Weiner & Breitbart/Loesch

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1634. STLAH archives on Weinergate. Used “Weinergate” tag provided by STLAH.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1635. Sammy,

    Your are correct that Adam has edited the blog entry and the comments are slightly different.

    I would suggest you ask Adam why he made the canges but the content remains consistent.

    Also thr same poster 545inSeattle Posted by: seattle545 at June 20, 2011 03:14 AM (NUnGN) over on Ace’s blog: http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=317751#c13441264 ( look near the bottom of the thread, Post #270 ).

    Also on Lee’s blog on June 20 here at patterico.com: https://patterico.com/2011/06/20/betty-veronica-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-806864

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1636. Again, don’t forget that Jennifer Preston was looking for Jennifer George on June 14, well before she wrote the article on June 17 and the follow on find of the cached Jeany / starchild tweet data.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1637. 1659 joe

    I lost you after “June 17.”

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1638. 1659 joe

    I wonder what Ron knows about that June 14 reach out by Preston – how it originated, who found the JG name and how they did so? I think I saw Ron explain that JP was interested in the story pretense that she used to reach out to JGCA but that if she got her foot in the door would have brought up AW. I think I read Ron saying something along those lines, but it might have been someone else commenting. Not sure where that was, would have to research to confirm. It was a semi-rationalization for the approach to JGCA under those pretenses, but it made clear that the underlying purpose was to talk Weiner.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1639. 1659 joe

    I wonder if Lee ever asked Preston how she got JG name days before he did. They were still pals at one point.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1640. and how she landed on the same, incorrect, JG (CA) or if she emailed every JG she found (or at least more than that one).

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1641. Wittier,

    Ok, Jennifer Preston sent an email to Jennifer George on June 17 with a vauge story line about doing a social media story.

    The JP story on June 17, exposes the starchild and mariannela twitter ids as sock puppets. On June 19, AZ finds the startchild cache with Jenay and and then the 123people.com searches turn up a connection between Jennifer George and starchild.

    Then a JG(MA) calls Lee on June 19 claiming to be JG(CA) but having nothing to do with Rep. Weiner sting other than creating the starchild twiter id back in 2009.

    She also claimes to be a student in LA and that someone was able to find her in the UCLA directory. ( appears to be a lie since she is really in Boston when she files police report ).

    However nobody seems to be able to find her phone name and the JG(CA) denies the whole situation.

    The JP article runs June 17: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/nyregion/fake-identities-were-used-on-twitter-to-get-information-on-weiner.html

    So how was Jennifer Preston onto any Jennifer George as early as June 14!

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1642. 1664 Joe

    first date you meant to type was June 14, date of Preston email to JG CA

    Jun 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM
    Preston, Jennifer wrote:
    Subject: New York Times reporter

    Hi Jennifer,
    I would love to talk to you about a story that I am doing. Might you be available? My direct line is 212 556 4472.
    Thanks! Jennifer

    Staff Writer, Social Media
    The New York Times
    jepresto@nytimes.com
    facebook.com/nytjenpreston
    (212) 556-4472

    _________________________

    On June 19, JGMA calls Lee. JG MA is not pretending to be that specific JGCA. The Cali & UCLA connections were merely coincidental between the 2 JGs. JGCA is a decade older than JGMA (we deduce). I don’t see JGMA as trying to point Lee to JGCA. JGMA didn’t know that Lee had just emailed JGCA. That was all a coincidence. It wouldn’t have made sense for JGMA to try to pretend to be that JGCA as JGCA is clearly not the person who JGMA described herself to be on the phone with Lee and JP. In fact JGMA tells JP who she is by referring JP to Lew Hunter. Lew is not going to say that she is JGCA. He doesn’t know JGCA. JGMA was just trying to not say where she really was – she was afraid of being killed that day (or she was making the whole thing up, but not pointing attention toward innocent JGCA).

    _____________

    I think Preston had researchers (Ron says he was doing research for JP and I think Ron says he may have been involved in researching the false IDs from the Reids. I think Ron may have said that he had some knowledge of the nature of the reach out on June 14, but I’m not sure if it was him or where I read it (I haven’t looked for it.))

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1643. Correction to 1652, 1654.

    The way I had it in Number 1650 (shows as 650) is correct.

    I saved the file of the text cature of the StlA post on June 21 at 3:40 PM, and at that time it did not contain the “Jennifer George” comment complaining about the post linking starchild11 to the name Jennifer George.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1644. You know Koam, I think I disagree with that assessment, at least in part.

    JGMA was deliberately misdirecting, and I think deliberately creating ambiguity.

    The history of the sudden appearance of the comment may have a simple explanation, but I would like to hear it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1645. 1667 SarahW

    I know you have a different idea.

    But Lee had fed us JG CA on a 90% sure platter. The call came in 15 minutes after he emailed JG CA. So he was convinced, and stayed convinced for days. But it was a coincidence.

    There is a JG MA who did take Lew Hunter’s course in Nebraska. Lew Hunter also teaches at UCLA. JG CA went to UCLA some decade + ago. JG CA also did work at UCLA on staff a year or two ago. She’s not in LA anymore. She hasn’t been a student for over a decade. JG MA told Preston that she knew a famous UCLA prof named Hunter. Preston called Hunter, confirms. Lee called and confirmed. Hunter knew JG MA was from MA. JG CA is not from MA.

    If JG MA wanted to pretend to be JG CA, she would have just given info that was much closer to JG CA’s info, which is there for all of us to see. Why would JG MA say she’s a student at UCLA now if JG CA hasn’t been one for a decade +? If JG CA is erroneously still in the staff directory at UCLA, and JG MA is pretending to be JG CA, why not say she’s a staffer, rather than a student? What’s the point of pretending to be JG CA and getting all the info wrong?

    It’s a coincidence.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1646. Someone should ask Adam if he knows why the 6/19 comment from the fake JG CA showed up on STLAH at a later date.

    Has anyone tested to see if comments on that site go to moderation automatically? It would seem reasonable to guess that it might be the case as he probably has enemies and might want to filter them out as needed.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1647. ==It’s a coincidence==

    Koam, there are coincidences and then there are ultra super duper coincidency coincidences. I don’t know the answer and I have no grand theory to offer. But you still have a hard sell convincing me that the mere 15 minute differential between Lee’s email to JGCA and his receipt of a call from JGMA is not related in some way or other. We just don’t yet fully understand how it was related, IMO.

    elissa (686a5f)

  1648. 1670 elissa

    The email was sent to JG CA. Another JG called. Why is that not a coincidence? The name Jennifer George was in the mix, on the table, publicly discussed. What does the email have to do with the call? nothing.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1649. 1670 elissa

    I’m still confused. Is Lee’s email being monitored so someone could see when he sent something to JG CA? Or did he tell someone that he was sending the email and that person somehow knew to alert JG MA to make the call? Or are we back to JG CA is a suspect?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1650. How come just after I mentioned Ken Danieli aka Koam aka Wittier connections to Kiva, Twitter went down?

    Do any other socks also work with them?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1651. I’m a longtime reader of this site, but I’ve never commented here before.

    And I sure am confused by this story.

    As far as I can gather, Koam or Wittier and Lee Stranahan and Neal R. and thugs from Daily Kos did something or really didn’t because they like to play games instead.

    Maybe there’s more information to be gathered on why so many “liberals” spent July 4th menacing innocent people in these links:

    http://kdanieli.com/id1.html

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20110703/SUB01/307039980/microloan-website-funds-five-startups-after-launching-in-detroit

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1652. Hi, Ken!

    INFILTRATION MARKETING. Danieli pioneered a bold, new, grass roots approach to forging powerful consumer relationships with trademarks. Created for Josta, spanning from the street to the Internet, Danieli’s strategy has been expanded become an integral part of the company-wide Pepsi marketing approach: to drive emotional connections with consumers for the Flagship Pepsi and Mountain Dew Brands and new products like Sierra Mist Lemon-Lime and Mountain Dew Code Red, in North America and Internationally.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1653. I find my stuff from digging, not getting tip sheets from strandedwind etc.

    Wittier:

    Graduated in Top 1% of Class. Deans List. President, Lock Honorary Service Society. Beta Gamma Sigma-National Management Honor Society. Scholarship.

    Wow, impressive resume, Ken. Too bad instead of doing good, you decided to rewrite crappy Superman 3.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1654. the long slog to post
    one six seven five blocked by
    one six seven four

    ColonelHaiku (f2ed50)

  1655. Does any silly socks want to ask me questions?

    Like how does it feel to be menaced for weeks when you don’t work for a media organization and are only trying to protect scared sources?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1656. damn you ron brynaert
    you have effed it all up now
    better waich your back

    ColonelHaiku (f2ed50)

  1657. and then watch it, too.

    ColonelHaiku (f2ed50)

  1658. I always watch my back, cowards.

    But can any sock tell me if it’s just a coincidence or a prank that my landlord has the same name as this guy:

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Vito/Conigliaro

    Vito Conigliaro
    Mr at Sviluppo Italia Sicilia
    Palermo Area, Italy | Information Technology and Services

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1659. Is the Chris Ceriello on my Facebook the same one I went to high school with…or is he this guy:

    http://dya1700ny.tripod.com/id1.html

    Antpharm team manager
    Chris Ceriello: When Louis first told me about DYA, I just started cracking up. until he told me he was serious. so I did’nt even care because when Louis told me about them, they did’nt even seem like competition. They just seemed like a couple of losers looking to chase an impossible dream. DYA isn’t even a team, to me it looks like a freak show or a mental institution. So before anyone calls DYA and Antpharm a rivalry, think about this. In order to have a rivalry, you have to have some competition. DYA is not our competiton, DYA are our bitches.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1660. Maybe you stupid haiku socks used your unAmerican censorship hacker tricks to block this last time, try again:

    I’m a longtime reader of this site, but I’ve never commented here before.

    And I sure am confused by this story.

    As far as I can gather, Koam or Wittier and Lee Stranahan and Neal R. and thugs from Daily Kos did something or really didn’t because they like to play games instead.

    Maybe there’s more information to be gathered on why so many “liberals” spent July 4th menacing innocent people in these links:

    http://kdanieli.com/id1.html

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20110703/SUB01/307039980/microloan-website-funds-five-startups-after-launching-in-detroit

    Hi, Ken!

    INFILTRATION MARKETING. Danieli pioneered a bold, new, grass roots approach to forging powerful consumer relationships with trademarks. Created for Josta, spanning from the street to the Internet, Danieli’s strategy has been expanded become an integral part of the company-wide Pepsi marketing approach: to drive emotional connections with consumers for the Flagship Pepsi and Mountain Dew Brands and new products like Sierra Mist Lemon-Lime and Mountain Dew Code Red, in North America and Internationally.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1661. Seriously, though, you guys might as well ban books.

    Using cretin hackers to block tweets and make comments disappear is Stalinesque.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1662. Colonel Haiku: I think we need a Rod Serling inspired haiku regarding the last few posts. Brrrr.

    Simon Jester (1d2f37)

  1663. Is that the best you got, Simon Jester? Don’t you have any socks that can improvise?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1664. Is everybody involved – the so called performance artists, mainly i mean – in the smear campaigns against journalists who critique Markos just an utter criminal?

    Or do they get shown out of context quotes that make them decide that helping to menace people who don’t say things they agree with is the right thing to do?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1665. How many Billionaires for Bush are involved?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1666. I can’t think of a more “wretched hive of scum and villainy” then the one I jostled seven years ago. You Daily Kos thugs are scoundrels and should go form a communist simpleton anarchist jerk nation in a galaxy far far away.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1667. As if I would click on anything you post, hacker Simon Jester…

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1668. Hi Ron,

    Did you discover the Jennifer George name for Preston? If so, how did you figure out the name?

    Did you select the JG in Cali for Preston to email on June 14, days before STLAH (supposedly) figured out the Jennifer George name?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1669. I also find it interesting that my landlord, Vito Conigliaro is on twitter and is following an obvious spammer bot, too.

    http://twitter.com/#!/vito_120689/followers

    Here’s the followers of only follower of guy with same name as my landlord:

    http://twitter.com/#!/Ariana_LE/followers

    And here are that spammer is following

    http://twitter.com/#!/Ariana_LE/following/people

    I like the whole global thing, you hackers got going on…it’s really precious. Nothing like celebrating July fourth week with anarchist hackers from around the world.

    BUT WAIT NOTHING TO LOOK AT HERE REAL PEOPLE AND SOCKS:

    I read on Huffington Post it’s really the government that assumes fake identities, harasses and stalks people, so it must be the truth:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/online-persona-management_n_837153.html

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1670. Hi, Ken,

    I don’t reveal sources to journalists or clowns or thugs or hackers.

    Besides, all you do is manufacture evidence and fool stupid journalists. You are clowns.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1671. Are you that delusional, that any women you’ve harassed, Ken, and it’s mostly you doing the harassing here and on twitter, would believe your stupid misdirection and lies?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1672. Do you think anyone truly believes Jen Preston at The New York Times outed you? You did that yourself, obviously, you clown.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1673. But I’m more curious about this whole ridiculous Chinatown scam y’all are pulling now, anyway.

    Forget Weinergate.

    Any hackers want to brag about that?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1674. Ron,

    And why do you think Preston told both you and Lee that she figured out that Lew Hunter had “punked us” and that Lew’s web site was fake? Does that make sense or was Preston working some angle?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1675. give it a rest, idiot, you guys make prank calls, and fake tweets, and fake facebook postings, and you terrorize countless people across countless sectors of american life

    you’re the howard stern kevin smith crazies working the angles? we’re trying to be serious people and report news….you are hoods.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1676. i have close to ten sources…..i also have close to 30 stupid sock sources…i also know of well over ten people you’ve victimized in just this part of your marketing campaign.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1677. This thread is surreal. Is ronbryn crazy, or just acting?

    JD (e0b833)

  1678. How much are you getting paid, Ken?

    You guys spend close to 18 hours a day conspiracy theorizing, menacing and hacking?

    Did you learn it at Lee’s Horror Film Boot Camp?

    http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/36381/want-make-a-horror-film-attend-horror-film-boot-camp

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1679. JD,

    You’re never funny. I mean seriously, goofballs, who do you think you are fooling? You are menacing punks.

    I disagree profoundly with almost every conservative that posts at this site, but you guys are unamerican sickos for hurting people and shutting them out and menacing and thugging.

    You make the Al Capone and Tammany Hall scandals look angelic because at least they didn’t delude themselves into thinking they were doing right and they had the guts to use their hands instead of moronic simpleton wit.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1680. Um, Ron? I’m not a nefarious sock puppet of some scheming evil genius. You certainly seem…excitable. The link, by the way, was to a Rod Serling youtube video.

    I wish you well, and peace.

    Simon Jester (1d2f37)

  1681. Ron Brynaert, I’d advise going to your pantry and throwing out any coffee you see that is not labeled “DECAF”.

    Immediately.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1682. Simon,

    I sincerely apologize. I realize now you are a genuinely nice person. Could you please provide an email address or phone call so I could contact and apologize personally to you?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1683. this is someone doing performance art, correct? Or is this what paranoia looks like?

    JD (e0b833)

  1684. SPQR, that made me laugh—it could have led to keyboard damage, but I am careful about drinking and reading these days.

    Patterico, is this person for real?

    JD, I don’t know.

    Simon Jester (1d2f37)

  1685. Ron – Simon is one of the kindest peole you will ever encounter, and yu sole to him like the Rowhowser’s of the world deserve to be spoken to. Why in the world, after reading this thread, would h give out his phone or email address to you? Or, are you another one of those Neal R puppets?

    JD (e0b833)

  1686. Usually, Simon Jester says something nasty like calling someone he disagrees with a “bitter and highly medicated little poseur.” But sometimes he pretends to be human not reading a script that’s meant to smear people as crazy:

    https://patterico.com/2011/05/28/woman-who-got-photo-in-weinergate-story-wrote-newspaper-article-on-meetings-stars-via-twitter/#comment-797250

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1687. Nope, twitter is of the Devil.

    JD (e0b833)

  1688. okay, sock puppets, can you please do me one favor…and make me the fall guy in all your Weinergate theories:

    I’m all the socks. I’m all the hackers. Or it’s all in my crazy imagination.

    Just stop terrorizing everyone else.

    Pick on me instead, and if you ever want to come say “hi” to me in real life, you know where i live…plus all the addresses I used to live, it seems.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1689. Why do you think there are sockpuppets here, Ron? Is it because Lee posted here or something else?

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1690. I can haz puppets?

    JD (e0b833)

  1691. Real people don’t spend all of July 4th conspiracy theorizing at a conservative website because they get off in a sick way by mocking people they disagree with and scaring innocent women.

    Do you ever stop playing games?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1692. ronbryn Ron Brynaert
    I left a few comments here starting at #1673 just now, that is if the hacker haven’t hidden them all yet with code: patterico.com/2011/06/30/som…

    I saw this at Twitter…

    Ron Brynaert, I don’t believe there is any code here. The commenters that have responded to you are long-time commenters. I think most of us are at a loss to understand why you’re thinking those who have responded are socks.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  1693. Brynaert, evidently making up stuff amuses you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1694. Hey, Koam, did you used to post as danthrax at Daily Kos, just a wild guess is all…

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1695. I love games. I heart them. Especially football games. And basketball. I truly hope you find the help that you appear to need.

    JD (e0b833)

  1696. Or is danthrax just a friend of yours…since i see both your names in this forum:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373002

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1697. that’s kind of a sick thread, koam, do you like young child stars?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1698. Brynaert, sock? You need to get your s**t in a sock. That’s the only relevant use of the noun here.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1699. Hey, Ken,

    Maybe you can add a picture to this post, soon:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=383990

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1700. Coo coo. Coo coo.

    JD (e0b833)

  1701. a fifth dimension
    beyond that which is known to
    man there dwells Brynaert

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1702. Koam’s helpful hacking tips in forums:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189381

    “Pretty simple instructions, unlocks the iphone 100% (with 1.02 firmware), works with any GSM provider.

    Finally i can buy an iphone!!”

    http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,2107736

    “If there are 1,000 ways to hack past a router, let’s try and implement just one of them. I don’t have an opinion as to whether it can be done.”

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1703. What would make someone say Lew Hunter’s site is fake and that its fakeness suggests that this whole thing goes way deep (suggesting powerful, scary, ruthless, etc. actors behind it)?
    http://lewhunter.com/

    She said it to two of her allied journalist/researchers, perhaps in confidence, and then they each let it out that she’d said it.

    But why would she say that to each of them?

    Maybe she didn’t say it. Maybe she believes it. Maybe she doesn’t believe it; maybe she’s not nutty, but says nutty things to them, sort of knowing that they’d let it out that she’d said it, marginalizing them in the process?

    Why?

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1704. twelve dancing rabbits
    sing about toilet paper
    I give you Brynaert

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1705. Brynaert, are you utterly ignorant of the fact that unlocking one’s own phone to use it on other carriers, (or with Android phones, to install other versions of Android) is not exactly a moral turpitude offense?

    Grow up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1706. there are weapons that
    are simply thoughts and then there’s
    Mister Ron Brynaert

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1707. Re: 1678 Ron Brynaert
    I understand you have been trying to protect scared sources, so may I pray for you and those you have been working to protect, sir?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1708. This is interesting post by Koam:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=418145&page=41

    “Why does the OP say she died when CNN just posted this: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/…ex.html?hpt=T1 saying that she’s communicating now.

    ….

    Did you call NPR or other media sites and spread misinfo after the shootings like what seems to be going on now, Ken?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1709. Time is one-way street
    There is madness in town square
    Do NOT panic, Ron

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1710. Brynaert, you’ve spammed the thread with links to someone named “koam” discussing the perfectly legal act of unlocking a cellphone, and discussing the potential threats to his own router/firewall.

    If the purpose of your useless spam was to somehow imply that the koam above is a person with criminal tendencies, you have in fact only established that you are an ignorant moron.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1711. pray for the colonel
    picture the future robots
    can be most helpful

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1712. Anyone with the starchild111 phrase and a bit of patience could link the JG name to it. A simple Google search for “starchild111” brought up the 123people page and if you looked to see where starchild111 was on the page, it showed as a Twitter Nickname for JG. All that was needed to get that far was Google, the starchild111 handle, and opening links and looking. (So when did Jen Preston and her researcher(s) know “starchild111”?) But how does one get from JG as a name to JG/CA in particular? There are a lot of JG’s out there, so why center down on just one or two? I am guessing it must have taken some inspired search techniques or special contacts, perhaps.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1713. what’s that I hear now?
    one seven three nine unless
    I am late to game

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1714. Damn!

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1715. Ron seems to have no ulterior motives whatsoever. I will for sure click every link he offers at least two times. =)

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1716. 1737 Sue

    Please demonstrate your Google search and just how simple it was. Please do the actual search, starting with “starchild111” only, dated prior to June 18, and show how you get to the name.

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1717. So the point of your spamming, Brynaert, really is to make yourself look like a moron?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1718. Sorry i don’t know the difference between legal and illegal or immoral hacking (although i think hacking government agencies qualifies as the last).

    So help me.

    Why is Ken’s name on this? What does it mean?

    http://www.attackvector.org/enumerating-email-addresses-using-search-engines-the-return/

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1719. Brynaert, yes, you are indeed succeeding at making yourself look like a moron spamming away like a meth head begging for quarters.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1720. attack vector and
    whiskey tango foxtrot ron
    what you want from me

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1721. Is this the same Ken?

    http://www.yatedo.com/p/Ken+Danieli/normal/086cad25a4cf5a085bb268d5f958005a

    Do you live in Canada or work for Pepsi or ride in a small car with 30 hacker clowns, Ken?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1722. Brynaert, you seem to be the clown here. A spamming clown. Time to grow up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1723. Who is Ron Brynaert? Why is he involved in this? Is someone paying him? Is he a dupe? Stayed Stuned…dun dun dun.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1724. oh can’t wait…is the velvet revolution paying me or italian fascists or russian television?

    LOL

    anyway, just leave my sources and THE INNOCENT WOMEN ALONE!!!

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1725. Ron, are you related to the Petranos?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1726. Oh, no! Not the dreaded ALL CAPS attack!

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1727. Who are the Petranos, silly sock daleyrocks?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1728. Ron – Do your own research, sockpuppet.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1729. I lol’d @ silly sock daleyrocks! hahaha

    Ron, you must just be trying to play some kind of angle right?

    From what I have gleaned from all your posts (and JP’s) is that you guys suspect someone like Rocksem or Wittier as the culprits of all this. Is that right? Did you or her come up with that theory? Both maybe?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1730. 1749 Noodles – if you’re really asking what he has to do with this:

    Jennifer Preston is the NYT Reporter who wrote the article revealing that Tommy Christopher’s sources, “Betty & Veronica, & Betty’s mom” (Nikki, Marianela, & Patricia) had submitted fake IDs to Tommy.

    You can look up the person you’re asking about, who reports that he was doing research for Preston on this story. He also said that JP promised payment to him, but he didn’t get paid. (She said she’d ask about at at NYT, I think.) He may have done some work on researching those fake Cali IDs and he may have done some work on figuring out the Jennifer George name for Preston, although I’m not sure exactly.

    He published some of Preston’s DMs & emails to him to document this on his Twitter (click his name and scroll back through 6000 tweets or do a good google or twitter search) and on a blog.

    http://whyareweback.blogspot.com/

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1731. Brynaert, accusing people of being sockpuppets is actually a vio of Patterico’s rules. Especially since you have no evidence and likely don’t even know what you are accusing people of, given your abject ignorance of all things internet.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1732. Thanks Koam. I was semi-serious. Really just trying to figure out what his angle is now. It seems very suspicious to me.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1733. SPQR you might just be the only non sock here, aside from me, so perhaps you need the coffee.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1734. “I’m a longtime reader of this site”

    Ron, I’m not feeling it.

    “but I’ve never commented here before.”

    Popping your cherry doesn’t have to be this painful, embarrassing or long lasting. Just sayin’.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1735. It has always seemed to me that Pat and Lee were playing good cop bad cop and so were JP and Ron.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1736. He is probably Huma Weiners sockpuppet.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  1737. Brynaert, you don’t even know what “sockpuppet” means. there are several regulars here and you continue to demonstrate that you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1738. SPQR – He’s definitely a few cans short of a six pack.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1739. 1758 Noodles
    I don’t think that’s doable or valuable

    koam @wittier (234826)

  1740. daleyrocks sock,

    i was mocking 100 comments left by your friends, above, as you well know…everything is a game.

    and SPQR, again, instead of fighting with a probable friend, do a search on the name of the socks you’ve aligned with on this page and every other one since June and mark the times they speak nonsense and contradict and take turns defaming all the people who run this website.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1741. Brynaert, oh no, I’m fascinated at the idea that you think that unlocking a phone is a moral turp offense to discredit someone.

    That one will have me all atwitter for days, I assure you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1742. I’m hoping that for your next trick, you’ll call for my arrest and prosecution for rooting my phone and installing cyanogenmod on it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1743. My gut tells me Ron just wants some “socks” to click his links and see what he can see. Which would seem to say that he has no clue what’s going on. Of course I could be wrong. I have been many times before.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1744. Is there an explanation for the above … besides the obvious: that Brynaert’s pharmacy is out of stock ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1745. http://www.facebook.com/PoliticsDaily/posts/156413591082977

    Ken Danieli
    I can relate to your repo job. One of my first jobs in HS was sales at Hahne’s dept. store (now Lord & Taylor), where there were no cash registers and all sales were written up on slips by hand. We had terminals, the size of small calculators, on which we’d obtain authorizations for purchases on the store’s credit card. (Dept stores didn’t take Amex, MasterCharge, etc. back then.) The terminals went down frequently. I “hacked” (cracked) the code system so that I could predict the authorization code with 100% accuracy. So when terminals were down I could render a sale “approved” (even though it hadn’t really been and it was a small risk to the system if the customer turned out to be a deadbeat or the card was stolen). (The proper method would have been to phone in the sale for an auth #. But, of course, all the phone lines would be tied up when the credit terminals were down so the customer might have to wait for 20 mins while a sales associate was on hold waiting for the auth.) So the cracked code made for a lot happier customers and all of my older coworkers were pretty amazed that, at 17, I could figure out the right code. They’d all come to me for the digits rather than wait on the phone as they were supposed to.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1746. Brynaert, now you are going to prove that you don’t understand credit card processing networks too?

    You really shouldn’t trouble yourself, we could have guessed easily.

    By the way, Brynaert, do you know how magnets work?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1747. This could very well be the real Ron Brynaert from what I can tell. It’s not his first comment here, although he may not remember commenting a long time ago. Just so you all know. If it is, my considered opinion is that he should seek immediate help. If I had a patient in this state, I’d make sure a doc 1013’d him ASAP as a potential danger to himself and/or others.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1748. So … Stashiu3 … you are thinking something stronger than caffeine, eh?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1749. And I snag the DOI comment.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1750. Whatever the cause, he’s even more unhinged than his ranting tweets about not getting paid. There’s not enough caffeine in the world to explain this.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1751. Ron – You’ve been tweeting that you need help for weeks. Ask Larisa Alexandrovna. She’s bug nucking futs for conspiracy theories and creative writing. She’ll help a colleague out!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1752. Ron – Scary Larry Johnson is also probably available.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1753. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gary-Tuchman/28262511963?sk=wall

    Ken Danieli
    Gary…Ken from Myles at BU (’79-’83)… congrats on the reporting on CNN page that Obama’s COLB “is a computerized abstract of his birth information.” This is the first mainstream media report in which the nature of that 2007 document is accurately described. What I’d ask someone in the Obama campaign is why they had that document printed out in 2007, 8 months before they published it in response to questions. It seems convenient and prescient to have had that version on hand when the question arose. What was up with that? Best, Ken
    April 26 at 10:41am · Like · Comment

    Ken Danieli reference: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com​/2011/04/25/trump-claims-o​bama-birth-certificate-mis​sing/
    April 26 at 10:41am

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1754. That’s not helping, Brynaert.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1755. http://www.facebook.com/notes/tea-party-patriots/demand-to-defund-npr-grows-as-newly-released-video-confirms-bias/10150111036788823

    Ken Danieli

    Remember that all the things that NPR’s Ron Schiller said about the Republican Party (white, conservative, un-Christian-Christians, middle-American, gun-toting, racist, xenophobes) …secretly caught on tape…were the same things Obama said about blue-collar Democrats who were voting for Hillary Clinton in droves….secretly caught on tape at a small private fundraiser with wealthy San Franciscans.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1756. Oh, wow, Brynaert, that one … that’s the smoking gun.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1757. yep, koam aka wittier is a staunch republican..hey, whomever’s paying, he’ll support, i guess:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2208286653&v=wall&viewas=0

    Ken Danieli Help Hillary Clinton get VP nod:

    There is currently a poll on the WSJ – Wall Street Journal that asks which person Obama should pick for VP.

    Hillary is currently #1 with 27% of vote out of 7 candidates.

    We can help build her lead!

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/d​ocuments/info-flash08.html?project=OVOTE​08
    July 26, 2008 at 6:12pm · Like · Comment

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1758. Brynaert, next you should search this website for any signs of koam.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1759. Larisa and Larry are not my friends, sock puppets. Everyone who knows me personally knows about the former, and my attacks on larry johnson are all over the net:

    http://whyareweback.blogspot.com/2006/06/defending-howard-kurtz-part-1001.html

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1760. http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/6/21/32418/6117#18

    Me to Larry Johnson:

    Your comment was despicable.

    And it’s not just right wingers who have criticized you.

    Rove-like tactics, my ass. You used Coulter-like tactics. Rove isn’t dumb enough to sign his name next to his hate.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1761. Is Socrates really Neal R or just connected?

    Here’s him sliming me:

    Regular blogger? I had like five posts in the history of brad blog….and he tried to sucker me into doing his blog for free in march..

    http://allaircraftarenotinvolved.freeforums.org/fintan-hertzberg-kos-du-brad-bev-and-the-raw-story-t160-30.html

    There was a regular blogger during BradBlog’s early days. Apparently he had the scoop on Jeff Gannon. His name is Ron Brynaert. Guess where he works now? At the Raw Story with Larisa Alexandrovna he is the executive editor. It now appears that convicted bomber Brett Kimberlin bankrolled both Raw Story, BradBlog, and AfterDowningStreet. We have Burch stalking a sex therapist and messing around with Wikipedia.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1762. Re: 1742 koam @ wittier
    I don’t know how to do a search prior to a particular date, sorry.

    On the morning of June 19th, I had heard about the “starchild111” name. I don’t do Twitter or Facebook, but out of curiosity, I did a Google search. I only entered “starchild111”; that was all the information I had. I opened each link that came up and did a Command F for “starchild111” to see where it was on the linked page. There were some UFO related things. And there was a 123people page, specifically when I clicked the link it took me to http://www.123people.ca/s/jennifer+george and if you go down to IMs/Microblogs, there is a Twitter entry showing Jennifer George with Nickname: starchild111. But the Twitter page was gone when I clicked the link on the page.

    I mentioned it in comment 185 at 11:03 am on 6/19/2011 on https://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/comment-page-5/
    By then the name “Jenay” was being mentioned, so I speculated that maybe “Jenay” was perhaps “Jen(nifer) A.” or something similar.

    I also mentioned it in comment 1285 of this thread on 7/4/2011 at 5:47 pm.

    I discovered later that the 123people.com page had the same Twitter link for the JG name. http://www.123people.com/s/jennifer+george under IMs/Microblogs on page 3. I will note that the JG/CA @blogarsay Twitter name shows up separately in those lists.

    But all I started with on June 19th was “starchild111” entered in a Google search and a bit of methodical curiosity. I assume if someone else knew the handle earlier on, as they very likely did, then they could have done the same.

    What I still don’t understand is how we got from Jennifer George, which has a great many search results across the country, to one or two or even a few possible choices for the owner of “starchild111” Twitter account. I understand that JG/MA told Lee that the account was hers (past tense). However, I don’t understand the link that led anyone to JG/CA, or anywhere else in particular, for that matter. I kind of assumed I missed the clues because I don’t Twitter or do Facebook, and maybe there was something there that others picked up on.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1763. “Larisa and Larry are not my friends”

    Hah! A diversionary comment. Create the illusion of dissent.

    We are on to your game Ron.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1764. you slime have tarnished my name with jason leopold’s for years…he was fired by raw story…and i have publicly battled him for years…and when i took over raw story…i began freezing LA out partly because she supported bullshit “rove indicted” story and is tight with larry johnson and other freaks in vr.

    I do admit not realizing that brad was just as slimy as the rest…but anyway…they’re all working with you guys anyway….so you can slime good journos…peace, losers….

    http://newsbusters.org/node/6563

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1765. Ron – Raw Story is a cesspool of conspiracy theories. You teethed on stories like Weinergate.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1766. Why is Ron harassing our sources?

    LEAVE OUR SOURCES ALONE!!!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1767. daley, go have some more beers with liberty chick and keep thinking you can sell me as some kind of larisa bad journalism accomplice.

    i have tons of IMs, emails, etc that show the truth.

    i never would have posted any docs at bradblog, anyway, suckers, because i didn’t at raw story…

    i shut out two Democratic campaigns for giving me phony stories….huff ran them instead.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1768. bye, socks, you all sound rather disjointed, get back on script and i’ll see you in my philip k dick dreams!

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1769. Why is Ron spending July 12 outing sources? Does he not know on this day in 1984 Walter Mondale announced that he had chosen Representative Geraldine Ferraro of New York as his running mate?

    Sounds kind of unpatriotic to me.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  1770. Mr. Brynaert, I am praying for you and for those you are trying to protect. Take care, sir, and best wishes to you.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1771. Ron- I don’t know you and I don’t know your circumstances, but the way you sound online is very similar to people I’ve known who were having manic episodes. Have you ever been diagnosed with such a condition?
    I think we could understand you better if you could just rest and then comment.
    If this is not the case, I apologize. We all need a little help sometimes, no?

    MayBee (081489)

  1772. Maybee, I thought you weren’t a sock. Guessed wrong.

    Anyone else borderline want to comment on my mental condition – which is straight from strandedwind script – when confronted by a critic?

    Thank you, so much, Sue. There are tons of commenters that have been mocked and intimidated off this website. I can’t wait until they can all come back someday.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1773. Sue,

    Everyone locked on to Jennifer George in CA becuase of the UCLA follow on the Jenay twitter screencap.

    Once you got to the jennifer+george+ucla JG(CA) is the first name that Google returns.

    The bigger question why was JP contacting JG(CA) on June 14!

    Note for Wittier: the Google search results have expired but on June 19 at 12:30 PM ET, I was able to find hits only with starchild111. There were hits in 123people.fr / .de / .ca ( multiple countries ).

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1774. Maybee, I thought you weren’t a sock. Guessed wrong.
    Anyone else borderline want to comment on my mental condition – which is straight from strandedwind script – when confronted by a critic?
    Thank you, so much, Sue. There are tons of commenters that have been mocked and intimidated off this website. I can’t wait until they can all come back someday.
    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 7/11/2011 @ 11:01 pm

    Maybee’s not a sock, or perhaps you don’t really know what the word means. Also, I’ll comment on your mental condition. You have one. Get help.

    No charge.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1775. MayBee, you are far too kind. I’m still not sure if this is performance art or not. But I tend to trust Stashiu3’s opinion on this kind of thing.

    Later, we all getting together for the Trilateral Commission meeting, right? What was the password, again?

    Sorry.

    Simon Jester (1d2f37)

  1776. yawnnn,,,

    starchild111 (5807dc)

  1777. Maybee’s right that his ranting is consistent with someone in a manic phase, whatever the underlying diagnosis might be. He’s also shown significant paranoia, delusional thinking, perseveration (combined with tangential thinking… not an easy thing to do), and grandiosity. How much is from a pathological process and how much springs from an underlying personality disorder would be a lively debate among professionals.

    The bottom line is that he really needs to seek help, get properly diagnosed, and started on treatment. He sounds ready to implode and quite possibly become dangerous to himself and/or others. I’m not kidding or taunting him when I say that. I’ve seen worse, but they were already inpatients.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1778. yawnnn,,,
    Comment by starchild111 — 7/11/2011 @ 11:36 pm

    Sock, using an anonymizer. Yawn indeed.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1779. ron dear,

    being unemployed takes it’s toll on people and those unemployment checks run out. however, the government pays well if you can show you have some mental disorder or appear to.

    luv starchild111

    starchild111 (5807dc)

  1780. Actually, Sue, if you’re the same one that left all the above comments, obsessed with a woman people keep smearing who has nothing to do with any of this…and who lol is pushing the nonsense that Preston outed koam (instead of you hackers hacking her account)….i take that back.

    Your role is to appear reasonable once in a while…but you socks are silly if you think the harassed woman in california is going to blame anyone more than Lee for harassing her. And every time one of you chuckleheads refers to her it’s harassment since she has nothing to do with this.

    And um my saying leave her alone is not pulling her into this.

    See you later, Andrew Breibart aka Andrew Breitfart aka ?

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1781. In normal society, people don’t mock anyone for being crazy.

    So if I were unfortunate enough to be suffering from some mental illness, no one reasonable would take the word of people who mocked me.

    And, um, only Kos peeps would be mocking here, now, since there isn’t any conservative with a real name attached attacking me.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1782. In normal society, people don’t mock anyone for being crazy.
    So if I were unfortunate enough to be suffering from some mental illness, no one reasonable would take the word of people who mocked me.
    And, um, only Kos peeps would be mocking here, now, since there isn’t any conservative with a real name attached attacking me.
    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 7/11/2011 @ 11:52 pm

    Happens all the time in normal society, it’s just not nice.
    “If” seems to have been passed about 20 posts ago. It has reached the point of “what type?”.
    Finally, I am a conservative and have a real name here. It’s just not the one on my birth certificate. There are reasons for that. My online persona is a pretty accurate reflection of my real-life persona… about 90% “okay-guy”/10% ass (okay, maybe 60/40, I wouldn’t quibble over anything in between.)

    Seriously, get help.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1783. Ron, do you smoke a lot of weed?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1784. smoking weed can make peas look really really tasty

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  1785. This keeps getting more and more surreal!

    Ron, I’m sure your research skills are teh bomb, but don’t you think that commenting now just drives the story even more?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  1786. and Pat was thinking – hey – lets have a monster thread – what could go wrong?

    EricPWJohnson (a60276)

  1787. 1773. “do you know how magnets work?” made me laugh out loud.

    Cleanup in aisle three. Cleanup in aisle three, please. Holy @#$%buckets. I think for a small while, Ron convinced Jen Preston that she might not even be Jen Preston, that everything she knew was wrong, and she communicated that to Lee. The other possibility is that she just doesn’t want people to know what she knows.

    Ron is either
    1) acting, which I doubt, but if he is, he’s doing a heckuva good job.
    2) having some kind of paranoid meltdown
    3) has been getting spun in a million directions by some evil players who have sent him into a paranoid meltdown.

    Ron, for what it’s worth:
    1) Not every KOAM on the Internet is KOAM/Wittier.
    2) His name emerging from a harvester script that uses Pepsi as an example is hardly noteworthy.
    3) Not every Ken Danieli will be KOAM/Wittier
    4) If it is him, showing an interest in hackers is not such an outlandish thing.
    5) If it is him, having supported Hillary Clinton is not such an outlandish thing.
    6) If it is him, jailbraking an iPhone is hardly an outlandish thing.

    I’m sure there’s much more as I stopped reading halfway through.

    Remember how in A Beautiful Mind, John Nash has filled a room with yarn connecting a million things he’s pasted to the wall? Spiderwebs of information, all seemingly connected, but the guy is stark raving bonkers.

    Seriously Ron, you seem like a good guy operating on information overload, and possibly cracking under the weight of some people trying to spook the @#$% out of you. I’ve given you a share of crap, which you probably deserve, but I don’t like to see you going over the edge.

    Even if you are privy to real clues of What This Is All About (which I doubt, but must allow the possibility), in the state your in, you’re in no position to unravel them.

    I can see where a campaign to drive you bonkers (a short ride?) would be attractive to players out there, be they politically motivated, or just in it for the lulz.

    If you’re being threatened, call the police. If others tell you they are threatened, advise them to call the police. Then take some deep breaths and disengage, at least until you can distinguish signal from noise.

    Summary: I think Ron is KOAM.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1788. Ron,

    I really don’t know you. If you are the guy I spoke with on the phone, then you have been responsible about certain information, which I appreciate. If you’re on the up and up, it sounds like people have been messing with you. That has apparently made you overly suspicious, to the point where you think longtime commenters here are sock puppets, or that I was an imposter when I last called you.

    Stashiu3 has a background in treating those with mental health issues. I don’t mean to insult you when I say that if he says you should get help, you might consider it. Which is not to say there aren’t sock puppets on Twitter, email, and perhaps your phone who are messing with you. My guess is that is happening.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1789. I admit I wanted to get to 2000 comments, but this wasn’t really the way I wanted to do it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1790. Pat

    I was trying to be funny I guess the operative word was trying..

    EricPWJohnson (a60276)

  1791. 1789 Sue
    1800 Joe

    Google lets you search using a specified date range. This lets you search as if it were an earlier date so that the results aren’t impacted by what has gone on since that date.

    On the Google page on your search results, look in the left column for setting dates. You can then set a Custom Range to end on June 17. For “starchild111” I get 10,600 results. Where does 123people come up in those 10,000+ results? And you made it to page 3 of the results at 123people?

    If you have “Jennifer” (not “Jenay”) and “starchild111” you can find it easily. With “starchild111” only prior to June 18, it’s very difficult, I think, to find Jennifer’s name.

    We don’t know how Preston focused in on JG CA. Maybe her researchers know.

    We know how Lee focused in on JG CA. Lee had the 123people page and went through the links to several of the JGs there. JG CA has a detailed background online and Lee though her work at a magazine was of interest. That’s why he says he emailed her. But perhaps Lee was in contact with others in figuring this out too? Hard to say.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1792. Stashiu

    Dont diagnose people on the internet or try to use you unverified status as a health care professional to make judgements

    We all dont know who you are – and I refuse to accept the premise that a sock which BTW you certainly are – which anyone who is blogging anom is – nothing more than a sock – is some kind of expert without verification – can legally dispense medical advise on a thread

    You’vr made way to many mistatements about me on this blog for anyone to take you seriously

    EricPWJohnson (a60276)

  1793. Yeah Stashiu, only scientist and lawyers have valid opinions. Get with the program!

    Click.
    Check.
    Click.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  1794. o

    Stashiu is a best a troll who makes ugly statements and cant handle discussions

    he’s the last person I would allow or take any medical advise or any advice from

    EricPWJohnson (a60276)

  1795. Stashiu is a best a troll who makes ugly statements and cant handle discussions

    First an attack on DRJ, then this.

    And there have been other problems too.

    It’s too much.

    I have placed your IP in moderation while I think about what to do. Eric, you’ve been personally very kind and supportive. But you’ve gotten on the wrong side of my most trusted commenters. Your comments will be in moderation for a while, while I think about what to do about this.

    I don’t like banning people and this is not a ban — at least, not yet. But honestly, you need to think long and hard about how it is that you are at odds with people as solid as Stashiu and DRJ.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1796. By the way, Stashiu hasn’t diagnosed anyone. He has said that Ron needs to get help and GET a diagnosis.

    I don’t mean to insult Ron when I say Ron should at least consider it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1797. Eric,

    You’re a good guy and Patterico knows it.
    Ignore these trolls…and thanks.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1798. Ron,

    Last comment and then off to work.

    I just placed Eric in moderation for calling two longtime commenters “trolls.”

    With you, I’ll let you go for a while because it’s interesting in a weird sort of way and nobody is taking your accusations seriously. But if you’re not some kind of jokester yourself — a possibility I do not entirely discount — then I ask you to take a deep breath and reflect on what has been said.

    Off to work. Have a nice day.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1799. I admired Stash’s piece about Gitmo, and his general comportment on this site. But dispensing unsolicited professional medical advice in the comments section of some dark corner of the internet isn’t defensible. I’m not saying Brynaert doesn’t appear to be having a weird internet- induced psychosis. But I’m rocking back and forth sitting in a bowl of butterscotch pudding flipping cards into an old bowler hat wearing one sock and an old robe, so what do I know? Oh, and I, for one, will not miss EPJW.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1800. But dispensing unsolicited professional medical advice in the comments section of some dark corner of the internet isn’t defensible.

    Your characterization of my blog as “some dark corner of the Internet” factors in to my assessment of your comment’s credibility.

    Patterico (7f0df6)

  1801. Birdbath – I’m just sitting in a lawn chair in front of my computer only wearing two tone underwear, yellow in front, brown in back, sipping a few beers. I may decide to shower today, then again I may not. A/C’s only been busted a few days. Nothing wrong with me.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1802. 1789 Sue

    The starchild111 handle was well-known long before June 18-9.

    Even though Tommy had redacted the names in his original stories, because he believed that these were actually teenagers and that they were using their real names, the unredacted versions were out on other blogs and lots of people were already discussing that name. The fact that some people didn’t try to protect the “girls” by blocking out their names was a point of controversy at the time. However starchild111 was easily findable because she had tweeted back and forth with GC, GL, etc. and that had been discussed going back to the first weekend after the AW photo tweet (and of course discussed publicly by #bornfree crew prior to that.)

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1803. Ron- I do think you are doing a good job with research and I believe you that some people have been horrible to you. I’m just such a mom, I mother everybody.

    MayBee (081489)

  1804. MayBee – Mom, you dressed me funny.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1805. That was effing funny, birdbath. This thread is surreal. Scratch that. Surreal is a gross understatement.

    JD (b98cae)

  1806. ==Ron,…but don’t you think that commenting now just drives the story even more? Comment by ∅ — 7/12/2011 @ 3:11 am==

    Why yes. Interesting observation that.

    elissa (a3e02f)

  1807. Not a fan of Birdbath, but I did enjoy this:

    But I’m rocking back and forth sitting in a bowl of butterscotch pudding flipping cards into an old bowler hat wearing one sock and an old robe, so what do I know?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1808. Patterico– Judge my credibility by whatever standard you choose. My apologies for insulting your blog. It was not intended.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1809. Ron, as someone who has been very interested in whether you’re just a victim of these bastards or not, and coming at this in good faith, please consider taking a couple of weeks break from this story.

    I don’t have much knowledge of mental illness, but I think normal people can have issues, get rattled and simply look much worse than they really are online.

    You come across, online, as grandiose. You respond to people in a way that suggests at the very least, a damn irritating unfairness. At the same time, like EPWJ, sometimes when you’re not being unfair it really does appear that your heart is in the right place.

    The way you’re trying to dig up KOAM’s private details seems ridiculous when considering his level headed analysis of the facts and his opinions. He just doesn’t have that coming to him. Your claim about Socrates is horrible and unfair, given how Neal has treated his IRL name’s reputation.

    And ignoring that, there’s the issue of your timing, which hypes up the story when it subsides, and also your timing behind the scenes (Ron and I have never been in contact, and I’m not talking about his timing with me). That and your affiliation with Larissa and Leopold’s website is sufficient for you to want to be more careful. You should behave in a way that shows you recognize these factors, instead of acting like it’s awful to have common sense about them.

    I’m not trying to attack you… I just think you should consider how you come across. I’d be an idiot to trust Raw Story content. It was a con artist’s tool, associated with scumbags, and then suddenly it turns over a new leaf? Isn’t that what a con artist would say?

    So while I can’t pretend to know that you’ve got any mental issues, Ron, and I do find it entirely plausible that you are being screwed with by these bastards (Neal et al) I think you are overwhelmed. I can’t blame you. This stuff ticks me off, and I’m not a player. Spend some time away from the internet.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1810. This is a bit of a non-sequitor, but I thought I would share this bit of local comely coed sock-puppetry.

    Congressmen, beware.

    http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-james-dollins-facebook-porn-arrest-20110711,0,7150460.story

    SarahW (af7312)

  1811. Dustin,

    Could you please forward your name, address and phone number to Patterico so my lawyer can get in contact with you at a future date for this smearing comment you left on July 5th:

    https://patterico.com/2011/07/05/neal-rauhausers-new-friend-brett-kimberlin-speedway-bomber/#comment-816283

    A bogus arrest that was expunged, I’ll add. After the website owner removed the Alicia Pain illegally obtained expunged police record, your job was to make sure others read about it.

    No one is fooled by your act anymore, Dustin. You socks have been on this forum for years, and smart conservatives misled into defending you will google your conflicting, smearing comments.

    later, socks!

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1812. Could you please forward your name, address and phone number to Patterico so my lawyer can get in contact with you at a future date for this smearing comment you left on July 5th:

    Um, the comment you left is the truth. Someone named Alicia Pain did in fact leave a comment with your personal information. I emailed Patterico and asked him to delete it, which I believe is how he discovered the comment initially.

    After the website owner removed the Alicia Pain illegally obtained expunged police record, your job was to make sure others read about it.

    Read about what? That someone was trying to give inappropriate information about you? I didn’t mention what the information was. And everything I said was the truth. If you are threatening to sue me for telling the truth (that someone did post information about you) then you are a scumbag, Ron. You are threatening to sue people in order to strategically prevent people from criticizing you.

    Please sue me. I am entitled to attorneys’ fees, court costs, and punitive damages against the party that filed a strategic lawsuit against public participation. Fortunately, the law in my jurisdiction protecting me from thugs like you came into effect a mere three weeks ago. Saved by the bell!

    I haven’t tried to smear you, Ron. You probably know that. If you don’t, then you’re an idiot.

    The police rapsheet and Ron’s address were posted under the name ‘Alicia Pain’ rather than Nancy Drew.

    “Somehow i can’t get past that Lee is a puppet of Neals,”

    I doubt this.

    Comment by Dustin

    There’s the comment you’re saying was my smear of you. Where’s the smear? That really happened.

    So why, Ron, are you lying about me and trying to shut me up? I think we both know exactly what.

    My advice: get a good lawyer before you sue me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1813. Excuse me, I meant to say the comment I left was the truth.

    When I said ‘the comment you left was the truth’ that suggests Ron is accurate, when in fact, he’s completely wrong.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1814. BTW, it’s important to me that none of these idiots get my phone number. Those who know it are asked to keep that to themselves.

    Why would Ron want to know my phone number? He doesn’t need it to sue me.

    /things that make you go hmmmmm

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1815. Lee on radio says, “police involved now. Weinergate became a personal problem… nothing else to say”

    so he took a week off radio because of pressure..but now he’s back

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/show3.aspx?userurl=stranahan&year=2011&month=07&day=12&url=technology-creativity-jobs

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1816. He says you aren’t allowed to call him about Weinergate. 🙁

    347-945-5235

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1817. Why is Ron threatening people here?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1818. Koam, if you were to ask Lee about Weinergate, what would you ask him?

    I have heard a lot of wild accusations about this guy (and believe me, he and I are not pals), but is there anything he knows that we don’t also know? Asking him to explain his certitude seems like a stale query.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1819. Well I’m trying to listen to his self-invented economic theory right now. (He’s convinced himself, but he doesn’t have it right. But, suffice to say, he thinks Obama has it right…on economics.)

    And the sound is messed up. So I’m trying to think and listen. Blowing my bandwidth.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1820. Dustin, Naughty!!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1821. In threatening to sue Dustin, Ron takes a page from the Kimberlin/Rauhauser playbook.

    Patterico (678ac7)

  1822. What I mean is I’m trying to think seriously about your question, while listening too.

    What would we want to ask Lee?

    I’ve asked most of the questions before, so searching back would be the best method.

    But a couple of questions I remember are:

    What’s the timing of the events around JG MA’s call to him and the filing of the police report?

    Please list everything he said to JGMA on the call, June 19.

    What have the police told him?

    And that’s not dialing it back to the biggest or most important questions, just naming a few that I know are out there.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1823. While it is nice to have a short break from someone’s lies and BS while they are in moderation, this thread has certainly shown there are plenty of people ready to step in and keep things interesting.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1824. Koam, yeah, to say the least, I don’t agree with his view on how technology is ruining our economy.

    Technology creates wealth. Some don’t really grasp how that could be. They think it’s a zero sum game out there. If you replace 18 tellers with one machine, why, all that wealth just concentrated in the ATM company’s hands.

    But in reality, we simply made manpower more valuable.

    For example, Ron probably spent less than 30 seconds thinking about whether to try to be thug to me, issuing a stupid legal threat. In the old days, it would take much more time, and someone like that wouldn’t even be capable of getting the job done. Technology makes everyone richer.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1825. I’ve asked most of the questions before, so searching back would be the best method.

    I grant this. I just wonder if it’s productive to keep asking them.

    Yes, some details would be nice. I’ve also asked Lee for details and shown frustration when he hasn’t offered them easily. To say the least.

    Anyway, he’s already saying he refuses to talk about this, and frankly, I do not think he’s mistaken to leave this to law enforcement.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1826. Anthony Weiner deserves to be ran out of town on a rail.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  1827. Machinist, aw shucks, you are just saying that to make me blush.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1828. “Koam, yeah, to say the least, I don’t agree with his view on how technology is ruining our economy.”

    Dustin – There are actually more bank tellers today than there were 15 years ago, so Obama’s analogy was hosed from the start, but not many people are pointing that out. They are instead going with the gut intuitive sense the argument makes without examining the underlying facts, which Obama got dead wrong.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1829. Never trust Obama on economics is the real lesson.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1830. 1853 Dustin

    Unfortunately for those of us following this, several people who are known to have info have quieted down of late.

    We know how people become so convinced of certain deductions that they call them facts.

    I hope that anyone who’s talking to the police reflects before telling them that certain things are facts. The police aren’t going to really help if they can’t discern facts from beliefs.

    And, based on the tweet that Pat put out a couple of days ago, we have to wonder if the police are still pursuing this with effort or not.

    Another question:
    What was he thinking taking the biggest call of his life and going to Preston with it? We can see how that turned out. (JG goes to cops. JP tells Ron Lee’s trying to screw her, according to http://whyareweback.blogspot.com/)
    Was Preston punking him on the “Hunter is fake” thing?
    Why didn’t Lee just go to cops after JG MA called?

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1831. 1856 daley
    is there a source for that stat? send it to Lee.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1832. koam – I don’t plan on communicating with Lee.

    I forget whether I heard it on Rush or Medved while I was in my car. One of those two I believe, more likely Medved.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1833. koam #1859:

    In response to President Obama’s recent claim that ATMs have replaced bank tellers, The Economist provided these stats:

    ATMs have not in fact displaced bank tellers. According to this 2004 Charles Fishman article in Fast Company:

    At the dawn of the self-service banking age in 1985, for example, the United States had 60,000 automated teller machines and 485,000 bank tellers. In 2002, the United States had 352,000 ATMs—and 527,000 bank tellers. ATMs notwithstanding, banks do a lot more than they used to and have a lot more branches than they used to.

    More recently, the Bureau of Labour Statistics reports there were 600,500 bank tellers in 2008, and the BLS projects this number will grow to 638,000 by 2018. Mr Obama clearly picked a poor example. It’s worth noting that the advent of the ATM also created demand for ATM maintenance workers. According to the BLS, there were 152,900 “computer, automated teller, and office machine repairers” in 2008. I’m not sure how many of these are in the ATM repair biz, but the BLS expects a mild decline in this line of work due to increasingly reliable machines and declining replacement costs. Evidently, the relationship between technological advance and employment is complicated.

    Is that the stat you were asking about?

    Also, this is my minor contribution to get comments to 2000.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1834. Daley, DRJ, I had no idea Obama was wrong on the facts about tellers too. I just thought he was being a unfair about productivity itself.

    That he’s doubly wrong is pretty hilarious.

    I’m not really worried about Lee’s take on it, though. I am ‘saying nothing at all’ rather than saying something not nice.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1835. 1861 DRJ

    very interesting, thanks. hope someone makes a 1-minute video of this starting and ending with the President’s quote.

    sorry, all of this is off topic, but I thought people might want to tune into Lee while he was on the air in case he broke his promise and started talking weiner. That was the reason for my original posts about his radio show being on live, and rather unexpectedly.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1836. Folks, with Teh Narrative, it is NEVER about facts. It is about feelings.

    So the details aren’t important to the Left.

    Which is why Gitmo isn’t as important as it once was. Same dealio.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  1837. If you listened, did Lee talk about Weinergate?

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1838. DRJ – The BLS reported in 2010 that banks employed 536,380 tellers. My guess is that figure is down from yours due to the bank closures and mergers since 2008.

    http://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag522.htm

    The year 2000 total was 492,250 assuming I have the equivalent category.

    http://www.bls.gov/oes/2000/oes433071.htm

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1839. koam – Repeat after me, never trust Obama on economics.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1840. You know? If this trend continues, Lambchops will be sueing Kermit over copyright infringement.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1841. 1865 DRJ

    I captured most of what he said above.

    The rest was about how Obama’s right about the economy and why Lee has to homeschool his kids.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1842. Of, I see Ron has been talking about me on his twitter account. Apparently I’m a liar for noting Obama was an ACORN lawyer or something. (the link Ron provides to explain that Obama was not an ACORN lawyer includes this fact: “Obama and two other attorneys represented ACORN in a 1995 federal civil lawsuit against the state of Illinois”) I think Ron was too stupid to read his own link. Obama was an ACORN lawyer, and yes, ACORN had a hand in the mortgage bomb.

    Also, he’s noting I criticized Jeff G in March as evidence I’m not a legitimate conservative. It’s true, I have disagreed with Jeff G, RSM, and even Patterico and Aaron here upon occasion. I disagree with people all the time.

    And Ron’s threatening to sue me. Actually, he’s not threatening. He insists this is his intention. If he does not, Ron is a liar. If he does, I will have some interesting discovery and some of Ron’s money. Either way, Ron is a thug and a failed bully.

    Funny, this started when I noted Ron’s timing and affiliation with the Larissa and Leopold blog.

    Of course, just because I’m sideways with someone doesn’t mean they are part of a grand conspiracy. Only idiots and cons say stuff like that, Ron. You are one of those two.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1843. koam,

    Are you referring to “… police involved now. Weinergate became a personal problem … nothing else to say”? That’s probably a good idea.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1844. 1871 DRJ

    That was most of it. I summarized there. If you listen to the first 5 minutes, that would likely cover all Weiner mentions. It wasn’t much.

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1845. 1870. Someone who would rickroll a person is capable of almost anything.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1846. That’s probably a good idea.

    Yeah, I really appreciate that Lee has seen the bigger picture. I don’t mind if he wants to promote Obama’s ideology. I mean… by all means disagree, but if he’s not talking about Weinergate, I’m not going to push him on that.

    I understand Koam’s desire of details. I found Patterico’s tweet regarding that rude officer disturbing. But Lee’s got a good reason to move on to other stuff.

    BTW, I’m struck by how Ron is complaining about his personal details being broadcast, and in the same breath, he demands personal details be broadcast. It’s as though he’s learning all the wrong lessons from these thugs, and merely trying to play their game too.

    Is there any doubt Ron wouldn’t do to me what ‘Alicia’ (Neal, I assume) did to him? Of course, I have no criminal record. That’s part of why he would try to bully me. Some people react to my attempts to be polite as sign of weakness. Hence his much harsher reaction to me, a person who simply asked him to take a break, compared to his reaction to people who simply assert he needs to get help for his mental state. That’s why he’s not filing to discover who Alicia Pain is, but rather suing the person who actually tried to help him.

    It’s been a consistent theme for a long time in my interactions with folks like Ron. They will turn on someone who is trying to help them, because in their warped minds, being genuinely nice is a sign of weakness.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1847. Someone who would rickroll a person is capable of almost anything.

    Comment by jeffeneff — 7/12/2011 @ 2:16 pm

    Well, I want to make clear how seriously I take Ron’s threat.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1848. I don’t know if the comment numbering 1K problem has been fixed and then unfixed, or if it only works on some computers.

    I was seeing the first digit 1 on a different computer. It isn’t here now. After 999 I see 001 to 099 and then 100.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1849. 1876 Sammy

    What computer?, what browser?, any interesting plugins?, try a different browser on the same computer?

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1850. 1877 Sammy

    What operating system?

    On my Dell Vostro , Windows 7 64-bit, I tried it on 4 browsers. All show the 4-digit post numbers.

    Browsers: Chrome, IE 32-bit, IE 64-bit, Firefox

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1851. A standalone home Macintosh using Firefox and oS/10 showed all 4 digits.

    A networked Windows computer running Internet Explorer did not. I am not sure of the version number.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1852. Prolly shouldn’t be using IE anyway (no offense intended).

    The numbers look good to me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1853. If I use direct deposit for my paycheck will I take away a job from a hard working American? Because I’ll quit before I do that.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1854. For many browsers, right click on the page, view source. If the four digits show, and I’d be floored if they didn’t, it’s likely some quirk in the way your browser processes the margins of the page.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1855. 1882 jeff

    In View Source in Chrome, I see the post numbers that are 6-digits, starting with 81…like we see in the URLs

    koam @wittier (60c14e)

  1856. This is a great comment thread. I’ve read books that weren’t this long or this interesting.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  1857. Ron’s threat to sue Dustin comes off like the Jerky Boys ‘Hurt at Work’ bit. “I’ll sue you, I’ll sue everybody!” (Not to diminish the threat, Dustin)

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1858. DRJ, like car crashes, whacky manic crash-n-burn behavior has a fascination to the human mind.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1859. (Not to diminish the threat, Dustin)

    Comment by Birdbath

    No offense intended, of course, and I would appreciate if Ron would be a man and apologize for his threat, which to be honest I am not losing sleep over, but was extremely unfair.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1860. intended=taken

    I’m just not typing what I’m thinking today.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1861. Comment by Dustin — 7/12/2011 @ 2:18 pm

    People like DRJ and Stashiu3 have fine reputations for honesty and integrity because they have earned then by their consistently honorable conduct over years both here and elsewhere online.

    Some people such as myself recognize that we will never have such reputations because we just don’t have the strength of character to measure up. We are inspired by their example to try and be better to be the best we can be. I think there are a number of examples of that type of person in the commenters here.

    Others are consumed with envy and jealousy because they so crave this kind of reputation but they see they have so damaged their credibility with their lies and hypocrisy over the years that they will never be able to earn that kind of reputation and respect, even if they clean up their act. Their reaction is to try to smear the best amongst us to try to bring their reputation or image down closer to theirs. We have seen those too, both here and on the left, where they attack the military heroes or honorable leaders who their own people can’t live up to.

    Remember how different the character of the Whitehouse was when Bush replaced Clinton? Imagine how different it will be when Obama is replaced. The difference between these Democrats and the Republicans that replace them is not the difference of their views but the difference in their characters and integrity.

    Perhaps this might suggest a reason for some of the reactions you encounter?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1862. “I’m just not typing what I’m thinking today.

    Comment by Dustin — 7/12/2011 @ 2:56 pm ”

    If I typed what I thought I would be in so much trouble, assuming anyone could even understand it.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1863. 1883. Koam, yeah, I see now that the whole thing works by some sort of function I don’t quite understand, probably some javascript function pulling the thread comment # from a database.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1864. “If I typed what I thought I would be in so much trouble, assuming anyone could even understand it.”

    Machinist – I know what you mean. Some days I just gotta wrap my head in yellow caution tape to prevent strange spillage.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1865. It’s not like I even have that much going on in there.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1866. Perhaps this might suggest a reason for some of the reactions you encounter?

    Comment by Machinist — 7/12/2011 @ 3:13 pm

    It probably does.

    Though I don’t want to flatter myself. For one thing, I was much nicer and more fair to Ron than he deserved. It’s no point of pride for me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1867. 1884: This is a great comment thread. I’ve read books that weren’t this long or this interesting.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/12/2011 @ 2:51 pm

    I haven’t said half the things I want to yet.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  1868. Dustin,

    I’m sorry you’re lying and smearing me and spreading misinfo that my vow to sue you for mentioning my name and an illegally obtained police report in the same sentence is any kind of a threat.

    I’m sorry you fooled Aaron and Pat for years at this site, when they can easily google your comments and see that your job is to create division by smearing their critics… Your motives are more transparent than anyone else’s, almost every comment you leave is the “good cop” portion of the smear campaign.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1869. Like a dog returning to his own vomit.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1870. One last question to all friends of Wittier…

    Did any of you ever work with Ken Danieli in real life? You know, when he had that job where he hacked/cracked authorization codes so that people can use stolen credit cards at the department store he worked at…

    Because that most definitely is a crime. Usually, credit card thieves pay a percentage of their stolen good booties to friendly cashiers like that.

    And actions like that, even if you aren’t working with the thieves, it still hurts consumers because it makes it harder to stop fraudulent credit card use.

    My comment is still up there even though ken quickly deleted his comment.

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/#comment-818600

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1871. colonel rise work hard
    come home after long, long day
    and Brynaert still rant!

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1872. where is the justice?
    Energizer Bunny got
    nuthin’ on Brynaert

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1873. gonna party like
    it one nine zero one peeps
    can I get amen

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1874. Colonel,

    Some think, according to the Mayan Calander, twenty-twelve is supposed to be the end-times.
    I have my doubts.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  1875. if Jon Cusack could
    time travel Mayans would cut
    head off for acting

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1876. that my vow to sue you for mentioning my name and an illegally obtained police report in the same sentence is any kind of a threat.

    It’s a legal threat.

    Obviously.

    Jackass.

    And yes, you have vowed to sue me. Do it. In my jurisdiction, I am entitled to damages for what you are saying you are doing.

    And yes, I mentioned that someone named Alicia posted personal information about you. That’s about as detailed as I got in public, but I could legally spell out everything I read on that report if I wanted to. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s no smear to tell the truth. The only reason I’m not doing that is because I think it would be wrong.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1877. And let the record here reflect how Ron behaves towards people like me who have tried to help him repeatedly.

    He treats them to ridiculous legal threats the moment he hears a whisper of criticism. Ron feels he has the right to promise lawsuits against anyone who participates in free speech in a way Ron doesn’t like. He complains about smears, but he’s going on and on about how he knows I’m a sockpuppet, working with Neal Rauhauser. I don’t know if Ron is hiding something important, or just a thug for petty reasons.

    Everyone out there interested in giving Ron the benefit of the doubt, as I have, should be aware that he has promised to sue me at the drop of a hat.

    The police rapsheet and Ron’s address were posted under the name ‘Alicia Pain’ rather than Nancy Drew.

    “Somehow i can’t get past that Lee is a puppet of Neals,”

    I doubt this.

    Comment by Dustin

    This is the comment he is claiming he wants to sue me for, but that comment was in no way critical of Ron. I didn’t even remember his last name when I wrote it.

    No surprise that he had no problem with this comment until immediately after I criticized him about a completely different matter.

    Again, Ron, while I do feel law suits are painful and expensive, and they do naturally inhibit my desire to participate in discussions about public events and politics, I have faith in the legal system, and the SLAPP provisions of my jurisdiction, and feel I could have your lawsuit dismissed, and with costs and damages against you. I feel it’s important that we all stand up against bullies like you, Ron. I don’t even know if I should hope you’re working with Neal (which would be terrible, but speaks poorly for his efforts) or against him (in which case, he is no doubt laughing at this pathetic BS on your part).

    But like I said, you’re with Raw Story.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1878. (b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), on the motion of a
    party under Section 27.003, a court shall dismiss a legal action
    against the moving party if the moving party shows by a
    preponderance of the evidence that the legal action is based on,
    relates to, or is in response to the party’s exercise of:
    (1) the right of free speech;
    (2) the right to petition; or
    (3) the right of association.

    and

    applicable.
    Sec. 27.009. DAMAGES AND COSTS. (a) If the court orders
    dismissal of a legal action under this chapter, the court shall
    award to the moving party:
    (1) court costs, reasonable attorney’s fees, and other
    expenses incurred in defending against the legal action as justice
    and equity may require; and
    (2) sanctions against the party who brought the legal
    action as the court determines sufficient to deter the party who
    brought the legal action from bringing similar actions described in
    this chapter.

    So Ron will have a month to prove a prima facie case that I am somehow doing whatever he’s claiming I’m doing, or I get some of his money.

    If anyone would like to opine on this, let me know, but of course, I would need to hire a professional to file the motion to dismiss. Apparently I will not get more than limited discovery (which I don’t see how I’d need much of).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1879. I’m not with Raw Story, and any reasonable person knows that…and you’re just being incredibly silly after menacing me and my sources, Dustin.

    (There were over 1,500 comments in this thread before i said a word, many by you, many mocking me, many espousing conspiracy theories, many pretending to back Patterico against Lee.)

    You kids and horrible howard stern addicted adults just have no morality. Even when it’s obvious you’ve been exposed, you continue to play games.

    The police record was expunged. It was illegally obtained by your hacker friends, but you were dumb enough to attach your name to the smear, Dustin, so until I know who Alicia Pain is, you are the first hacker sock fool I’m suing.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1880. “No surprise that he had no problem with this comment until immediately after I criticized him about a completely different matter.”

    Another lie, Dustin, since you watch my twitter and Patterico’s and you know darn well I complained to him about it the other day. I’m still a little miffed it hasn’t been removed, but I’ll only be suing you over that particular comment.

    Ron Brynaert (5e3edf)

  1881. I just saw that Richard Cohen, Opinion Writer for The Washington Post, has an article entitled “Anthony Weiner, victim of a digital mob”.

    I can’t think of an appropriate comment.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1882. I’m not with Raw Story, and any reasonable person knows that…

    Actually, this is basically all I know about you, other than the fact you’re promising to sue me.

    you’re just being incredibly silly after menacing me and my sources, Dustin.

    I don’t know who your sources are. If I’ve menaced them they deserved it. I probably didn’t menace them, though. If you’d like to link wherever I menaced them, go ahead. I’m guessing you are again lying about me. You say a lot of things about me that simply aren’t true, while whining that I’m smearing you. That’s called projection.

    It was illegally obtained by your hacker friends

    Like that. What basis do you have to suggest that I’m friends with anyone involved with reporting your police record?

    so until I know who Alicia Pain is, you are the first hacker sock fool I’m suing.

    So you’re asserting I’m a sock, and a hacker, and you have no evidence for that, other than the fact I criticized how crazy you sound and that you clearly need some time off.

    I don’t actually want to be sued, obviously, and it doesn’t escape me that I’m a very loud critic of Brett Kimberlin, repeating many of the claims Socrates made, and that Brett and friends sued him, learned his name, and then broadcast lies about this innocent man, claiming he is a cyberstalker.

    But there’s nothing I can do about it. Either I let you bully me out of my freedom to discuss the Anthony Weiner scandal and Brett Kimberlin, as well as your behavior, or I prepare myself to be sued, and face the suit head on.

    Thankfully, my jurisdiction offers me very strong protections against bullies like you.

    You, Ron, are a bully who won’t get me to shut up.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1883. From 200 posts ago, I give you Brynaert– “…you’re the howard stern kevin smith crazies working the angles? we’re trying to be serious people and report news…”

    This ‘trying to be serious people’ seems to have run aground.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1884. Forget it Sue, it’s Crazytown.

    SarahW (af7312)

  1885. I think we discussed integrity earlier. Generally that requires a degree of courage and a belief in taking the high road.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1886. Brynaert, well you’ve succeeded in making yourself look like a blustering moron. Demonstrating your utter ignorance of so many things, and showing that while you don’t actually know what defamation is, as a tort, you can commit it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1887. Former Congressman Anthony Weiner is no longer relevant. The new headline is, “Digital Mob, Victim of Digital Mob”.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  1888. Re: 1912 SarahW
    Did someone hand out confusion pills without proper labels or something? The MSM news is contradictory lately, too.

    Sue (24e46b)

  1889. Well, actually, I have found the MSM news to be contradictory most of the time, so maybe that’s not a recent change. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1890. My link above failed.

    Anyway, suffice it to say the reason I associate Ron with the extremely disreputable Raw Story, website I believe was founded in party by Brett Kimberlin, is because Ron is or at least very recently was affiliated with Raw Story.

    As I am not an idiot, I do not follow Raw Story or Ron’s daily dramatics very closely, so if Raw Story actually fired Ron, or Ron quit Raw Story, I have yet to hear of it. Not that I care.

    Brett’s playbook is to threaten or file lawsuits. I’m one of Brett’s louder critics, following many of the points raised by the guy Brett recently sued. While I can not the case would be bogus, I can’t entirely laugh off the potential a violent criminal involved with Raw Story will learn my name because of the bullying tactic of Ron Brynaert over someone divulging some of Ron’s history.

    Also, I want to add that the reason I notified Patterico of Alicia’s comment about Ron was because it had his address and phone number. And possibly his DL, though I’m not sure. I do think it’s scummy to bring up unrelated crimes from long ago, but Ron screaming that it’s illegal to obtain or discuss this doesn’t ring true to me. They screwed Mike Stack this way too. It’s a low blow, but I don’t think it’s illegal in the slightest.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1891. Demonstrating your utter ignorance of so many things, and showing that while you don’t actually know what defamation is, as a tort, you can commit it.
    Comment by SPQR — 7/12/2011 @ 7:50 pm

    Two words my friend: Diminished capacity.

    Not a fan of the concept in general, but it may apply.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1892. Pardon my typos.

    Anyway, is it true that Brett Kimberlin helped found Raw Story? I know Larissa Alexandrova wrote there.

    I really don’t pay attention much. I figure even scumbags and con artists have the right to free speech. If they want to spread insane theories about Republicans, I’m not going to stop them.

    But I’m also not going to trust anyone affiliated with Raw Story, especially those threatening to sue Brett Kimberlin’s critics.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1893. Not a fan of the concept in general, but it may apply.

    Comment by Stashiu3

    It’s not like I would go after the guy. But I really have no choice if he sues me but to hire an attorney and aggressively ask for what I’m entitled to.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1894. Ron – Are you still a 9/11 Truther?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1895. Dustin,

    Respectfully, I think you tried to reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. Whether this is calculated or compulsive, taking him seriously isn’t worth your time. Either he is intentionally provocative and won’t actually file anything, or he’s delusional and it won’t go anywhere since you’re clearly in the right.

    I lean towards the latter, but that may be due to my own biases. I think anyone actually trying to be this incoherent would do a better job of it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1896. Okay, roughly 75 to go until 2000 comments. I don’t expect bells, whistles, or fireworks… or even some tremendous revelation, but if Patterico says, “Now, let’s go for 3000!!”, well, it won’t be pretty. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1897. The words “spittle flecked” do come to mind when I see his comments.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1898. The voyage to 2,000 has certainly been colorful. The road to 3,000 might just take us through the Twilight Zone.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1899. It’s not like I would go after the guy. But I really have no choice if he sues me but to hire an attorney and aggressively ask for what I’m entitled to.
    Comment by Dustin — 7/12/2011 @ 8:08 pm

    Sorry, wrote my 8:16pm comment before I read yours. I didn’t mean to imply that you shouldn’t protect yourself, just that you:
    1. won’t get much, if anything (he’s unemployed).
    2. probably won’t ever see him actually file because he either knows it’s frivolous or is too disorganized to follow through.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1900. Thanks for the insightful comment, Stash. I admit I do not really know what to make of Ron.

    I don’t think even this is sufficient to accuse him of being a serious player in these events.

    Anyway, I just want it known that I’m not like Socrates. I will actually deal with this directly and actively. I may not be rich, but I can certainly afford a lawyer to file a motion to dismiss. I know that is the only way to react to this. And for the record, legal threats like this do cause me some concern for whether I should continue openly discussing the Anthony Weiner scandal or Brett Kimberlin or this petty jerk Ron. But I just refuse to shut up.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1901. 1. won’t get much, if anything (he’s unemployed).

    That’s probably true. But I’ll cross that bridge when I get there. Hopefully I won’t.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1902. I seriously find it simultaneously sad and unnerving to witness Ron Brynaert apparently coming undone. I also confess it has a bit of the train wreck effect: can’t look, can’t look away.

    Heading toward 2,000.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  1903. The voyage to 2,000 has certainly been colorful. The road to 3,000 might just take us through the Twilight Zone.
    Comment by Machinist — 7/12/2011 @ 8:27 pm

    The new season of Warehouse 13 started on Hulu. Talk about truth being stranger than fiction. That was completely believable compared to this story.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1904. Hey, Stashiu3? You like “Warehouse 13”? It reminds me of that old “Friday the 13th” series (the one with the cursed antiques). “Warehouse 13” is lighter and certainly funnier. I wish I had a Tesla pistol.

    I am fond of “Justified,” as well.

    Simon Jester (d2d83b)

  1905. I’ve only posted maybe…I think…about 4 times (please don’t hold me to that number, its in the single digits, I’m sure)…once under this name, the rest under Surreal (stopped using that…since this nick is the one I have on the Bigs and now twitter)

    But, the reason I’m commenting…I know mania. The barrage of words, ideas…hop, skip, jump from one concept to another.

    I read this and all that’s going through my mind is “damn…is that what it looks like from the outside?” My husband must be a saint…

    That’s all. Just my.02 contribution to the almighty 2000.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1906. Definitely funnier, and the new agent (Jinx?) had me cracking up. We could sure use him here, eh?

    “That’s a lie!”

    🙂

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1907. I like Eureka better, but Warehouse has its charm,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  1908. If you haven’t seen “Justified,” you might like it. Do check out the pilot. Worth your time.

    Simon Jester (d2d83b)

  1909. Is that “ppk” a Walther reference?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1910. I think this thread, has gone clear past ‘the Mutaran nebula’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  1911. Simon Jester,

    Hulu only has clips, no full episodes. I haven’t checked cucirca or tvshow7, but I’ll look around. We haven’t had cable for years, so I have to find shows I like online.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1912. Ron, someone I care about has a mental problem, and was blessed with a family that has been supportive. This person is doing very well now. What once seemed like a permanent and huge problem is now just a fact of life that is easily dealt with on a daily basis with tremendous success. And happiness.

    You will probably interpret this as some kind of veiled insult, but I am compelled to try to help you.

    You probably qualify for MetroPlus. Their number is 800-303-9626. One with financial challenges in need of mental health care (which I don’t think is something to be ashamed of) could call that number and arrange a diagnosis.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1913. Comment by Dustin — 7/12/2011 @ 8:44 pm

    You’re a good man Sir.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1914. Yes.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1915. 1944 was a very good year!

    And that is my contribution towards 200.

    jmel44 (d9a8f5)

  1916. 1937. Is that “ppk” a Walther reference?

    Machinist- yes, Walther .380, a mother’s day gift from my son.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1917. Darn. Missed by 1 and also meant 2000.

    jmel44 (d9a8f5)

  1918. Machinist- yes, Walther .380, a mother’s day gift from my son.
    Comment by ppk_pixie — 7/12/2011 @ 8:53 pm

    Nice son. 🙂

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1919. Thank you kindly, Stashiu…I’m sorta fond of the boy 😉

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1920. Re: 1944 ppk_pixie
    I agree with Stashiu3, “Nice son.” Also, intelligent and thoughtful. You are well blessed. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1921. And, clearly, so is he… 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1922. Sue, what a lovely thing to say- thank you!

    And yes, I am blessed, in my family, my life. They keep me well grounded.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1923. Thank you, Ma’am. That does sound like a great gift and implies a wonderful relationship.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1924. Dustin, a lot of people falsely believe that “expungement” means that information disappears from the public domain. It does not.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  1925. Dustin, a lot of people falsely believe that “expungement” means that information disappears from the public domain. It does not.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/12/2011 @ 9:44 pm

    Yeah, that would be strange, actually. Why would the courts get to order the public to never again mention something someone did or was accused of? I can certainly understand of Ron was actually innocent and didn’t want to be associated with something he didn’t do (note that this is not at all what he’s claiming… he clearly did the crime).

    But it’s not like I’m running around broadcasting any of his personal information. Though I’m tempted to. I just remember that this is what they did to Mike Stack, and how unfair I felt it was. Ron’s offenses, whether he’s guilty or not, have no bearing. I simply wanted to make sure when someone said NancyDrew had left that information that I corrected the record.

    But it’s not like Ron had the slightest problem with my doing so until I criticized his later behavior. This is simply he best attempt to find something to shut me up with.

    I might be a blowhard, but I stand by the things I’ve said. Ron has tested my patience, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1926. And when I say I’m tempted, I only mean the crime. Not his contact info, which should be off limits. When someone makes this big a deal out of their ‘expunged’ record, and how they will sue someone for the most tangential relationship to it being discussed, it’s like he’s begging for it to be discussed again.

    I see no legal reason not to, and really no moral one, either. But it’s a low blow.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1927. I’ve never regretted taking the high road. I have regretted not doing so too often.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1928. I’ve never regretted taking the high road. I have regretted not doing so too often.

    Comment by Machinist — 7/12/2011 @ 10:26 pm

    Yeah, you’re right. I appreciate your comments, btw.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1929. Weiner is a democrat so it is impossible.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  1930. I’m up waiting for the results of the Janice Hahn election, btw.

    Somehow, for reasons I simply cannot fathom, she will probably win.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1931. Missed my birthday year comment by 1 year! 1958 was a very good year.

    My contribution to the bimillennial comment.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (8bc067)

  1932. Brother Bradley,
    Keep going and maybe you can catch it in base 11.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1933. Keep going and maybe you can catch it in base 11.
    Comment by Machinist — 7/12/2011 @ 10:48 pm

    I thought they said there wasn’t going to be any math. 🙁

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1934. Wow,

    What a side trip. Now can we get back to the thread topic.

    It seems that everytime we make a little forward prograss on the real players, someone tries to sidetrack the thread.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  1935. Joe Smith,

    I would contend this thread was zombified long ago. Without new information, we’d just be rehashing what’s already been said. I applaud your focus and thank you for all you’ve added. Sorry if the silliness got annoying, we do that now and then.

    Be well my friends, I’ve been up far too long.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1936. Joe, last thing I want to do is distract from getting to the bottom of the threats and manipulations. I honestly have no idea where to proceed.

    Neal is posting more insane crap about Patterico.

    He again asserts Socrates was behind it too, with no evidence. He just wants to throw the name in there as many times as he can, I guess because he’s a thug.

    He claims this:

    there may well have been hacking of a certain popular Congressman’s social media accounts

    Which at this point should require tremendous evidence, given Weiner claimed exactly this and then admitted he lied about it. The idea he was telling the truth and then said he was lying in a way that ended his term of office is so implausible as to be amazing. I am simply amazed Neal expects his audience to accept this. Yet I think they do.

    He then links this complaint from Brett Kimberlin, which is ridiculous but amusing to read just how angry Brett is that ACORN was busted.

    At any rate, here’s Neal’s smear:

    it really looks like Frey and a Boston area man named [redacted by Patterico] may have been behind the whole attempt to entrap Weiner into interacting with a fake teenage girl

    He then goes on to demand prosecuting Clarence Thomas’s wife for being a lobbyist.

    All this from a guy who admits to being a liar for political ends, and has backed up the claims of a proven con artist and violent felon, Brett Kimberlin. And I guess I should throw on that Neal is actually associated with hackers and sockpuppets. I know Ron baselessly threw that charge out in a way that muddied the waters, but I’m not doing so baselessly.

    Neal says in that link

    There are a small group of us, me and some women from Anonymiss, putting the players and events around Weinergate in order

    That’s a group of hackers.

    I don’t know why Ron would throw these charges at me so unseriously if he’s interested in getting to the bottom of what’s going on . Ron knows just how serious these people are. Why treat this issue so recklessly? The people behind the actual crimes here deserve to go to prison, and throwing baseless charges is a smokescreen that protects them.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1937. Good night, Sir.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1938. Oops! My error Brother Bradley. Base 11 is the wrong way but 2,615 is 1958 in base 9. Only 650 to go in base ten.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1939. Neal also links a torrent tracker including hashes for emails and passwords of tens of thousands of military members. Any script kiddie can get a program that can break the kind of hash they are talking about, so this is a major think Neal is helping along.

    He claims to be working with politically oriented hackers on the one hand, and publicizes this kind of ‘booty’ found by politically oriented hackers like he’s just passing along the news with sadness.

    It’s too cute by half.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1940. Thirty four comments,
    So little yet so many.
    It waits for morning.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1941. Two thousand he says,
    We are almost there tonight.
    What dark paths await?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1942. Almost four AM,
    Dark thoughts scamper through the mind.
    A state we know well.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1943. To sleep, perhaps dream,
    In the bed or in the chair.
    Keyboard embossed face.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1944. Thirty more Haiku?
    That would be unprincipled,
    and way too much work.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1945. Meandering thread
    slouches toward two k and
    asks, “Who is John Reid?”

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  1946. Neal Rauhauser
    Has a new post. In comments
    Talks about my house

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1947. There is no New Rule
    That comments must be haikus
    Though it might seem so

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1948. We will never get
    To two thousand comments if
    Y’all keep writing poems

    Patterico (f724ca)

  1949. That’s funny; I was just gonna ask if there was a new rule.

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1950. Good Morning!

    Did anyone send for the police report from Boston?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1951. 1977 cap’n

    Good question. You’d think Lee would have.

    And did anyone ask Adam at STLAH about that fake JGCA comment that only showed up days after it’s date-stamped?

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1952. Crickets…………too early in the morning, I guess

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1953. 1977 cap’n

    If that “order it for yourself for $5” info was real and, if so, if it would have given you the full report without deleting important info.

    If there were a crime with a victim filing a report, is that public info? Would it be in victims’ interests in general to have every report go public while cases are still open? Does anyone know if you could really get a recent report like this released?

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1954. I was thinking about it, but felt like I would be prying into someone else’s business at the time.
    Not being a journalist or investigator, it felt awkward to me.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1955. a new day dawning
    does colonel have time for cup
    and scrambled Brynaert?

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1956. Colonel,

    I was hoping to be around for the 2000 moment, but I’ve got to leave for the day. So, I will
    leave you with this question:

    Three socks in a laundry basket – What did they say?

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  1957. Patterico #1973…. He seems pretty careful about what he says. But what he is doing is facilitating and encouraging nonsense suits against you. It’s all about the Alinsky approach, sadly.

    What to do? Bosely indeed.

    Simon Jester (d2d83b)

  1958. if socks could talk the
    tales they’d tell after many
    miles in moccasins

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1959. Simon – Neal fails to mention the connection between Patterico and Socratease was so tight that a judge refused multiple motions in Kimberlin’s ridiculous suit to compel Patterico to divulge any information he had about Socratease. THEY.WERE.JUST.THAT.CLOSE.

    Kimberlin’s suit and its motions make interesting reading. Classic stair-stepping your way into making a suit through the discovery process. Nothing there except unsupported allegations in the initial filing. Nothing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1960. I think the goal is to harass opponents so much that they go away, Alinsky style.

    Simon Jester (d2d83b)

  1961. if neal rauschnauzer
    don’t mind his p’s and q’s he
    will be neutered dog

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1962. Countdown mood music.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1963. “I think the goal is to harass opponents so much that they go away, Alinsky style.”

    Simon – Yes and they went nuts when they saw the U.S. Chamber of Commerce potentially taking a similar course. Irony, it’s what’s for breakfast.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1964. I like the comment over there that AW’s tweets to teen gals were AOK.

    No mention that Weiner used the s-word in message to (real-) teen Ethel in the same manner that he used it with his naughtiest (so far) GF (the blackjack dealer, who’s closer to his age), and

    AW used the f-ing-word in DM to (now allegedly fake-) teen Nikki (whose profile said teen & who was asking him to prom), according to docs her “dad” released on these pages.

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1965. I think the goal is to harass opponents so much that they go away, Alinsky style.

    Comment by Simon Jester

    No doubt that’s a big part of it. But I think Brett is beyond ideology, and motivated by revenge.

    a judge refused multiple motions in Kimberlin’s ridiculous suit to compel Patterico to divulge any information he had about Socratease. THEY.WERE.JUST.THAT.CLOSE.

    It’s pathetic. You’d think after so much time being a BSer he’d have a better read on how not to sound like an obvious liar. But no, there’s really very little indication he’s a successful liar just because he’s been lying for a generation or more. One might think he’s a master of fooling, but that’s just because the internet makes it possible to attract very special groups of people. In this case, true fools who would believe 9/11 was an inside job and Iranian hackers are stealing city council elections and Weiner was hacked into admitting he wasn’t hacked. He’s a master of finding nuts and telling them what they want to hear.

    Has anyone ever corroborated a single Kimberlin conspiracy theory? Neal’s been asked repeatedly to back up his claims about Seth being involved, and he simply ignores that and repeats the ‘may be involved’. But no, he obviously wasn’t involved. The creeps picked a name out of a hat and smeared it.

    Anyway, I asked earlier if it was true that Brett Kimberlin co-founded Raw Story. Anyone have any idea about that?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1966. Why can’t you tell jokes about the Jonestown Massacre?

    The punchlines are too long

    /get it? The meta irony? Did it change your life?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1967. Highly Scandalous:
    http://wp.me/p6l52-fa

    qritiq (1440aa)

  1968. 1994 Dustin

    Reminds me of Powers Boothe as “Dad,” Freaky movie; he did a great job, though.

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1969. Poetry with my breakfast? Delightful! 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1970. koam, good documentaries are my favorite entertainment.

    Sad story.

    So here’s another meta joke:

    Two nuts took a walk in the park.

    One was a salted.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1971. Comments go astray
    Then return as they may choose
    Two thousand beckons…

    Sue (24e46b)

  1972. and we’re on it

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1973. Congratulations!

    Sue (24e46b)

  1974. two thousand and one
    a space odyssey not this
    time my cheeky friends

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1975. I heard Neal Rauhauser eats his own poop.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1976. That would explain how he’s full of it

    Dustin (b7410e)

  1977. coprophilia
    and ten tabs of Dulcolax®
    rilly ring neal’s bell

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1978. mister rauschnauzer
    enema of the people
    think he real hot poop

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1979. off to a bad start
    go all scatological
    must get my sh*t straight

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1980. Neal, and his like-minded fellows, are simply evil. Not wrong-headed or misguided. Evil.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  1981. This ungodly hour,
    Finds comments have passed the mark.
    Congratulations.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1982. Rauhauser means rabid ankle-biting rat dog in Austrian.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1983. The One isn’t fluent in Austrian.

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  1984. So you have Kimberlin, Ayers, add this fellow to the panoply:

    Pursuant to an FBI investigation, Creamer in 2006 was indicted for bank fraud and tax evasion. During his trial, he received some 200 letters of support from such notables as Richard Durbin, Carol Browner, Jesse Jackson, and David Axelrod. Creamer ultimately was sentenced to five months in federal prison plus eleven months of house arrest. Upon his sentencing, he publicly pledged: “For the rest of my life I will continue to do whatever I can to work for social and economic justice.”

    While incarcerated — or on “forced sabbatical,” as he called it — Creamer wrote a 628-page political manual titled Stand Up Straight! How Progressives Can Win (published in 2007). In the Acknowledgements section of the book, Creamer stated that his political views had been deeply influenced by “the legendary community organizer” Saul Alinsky

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  1985. ian – Creamer’s wife is Crazy Rep. Jan Schakowsky.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  1986. Been trolling everyday but I will have to say that this gets stranger and stranger to read.
    Thanks to Dustin and to Wittier for the public record remarks.

    There is a reason why they are called “Public Records”, Ron. I don’t have a problem with you in the least, but I think you should take a break from this stuff. I have, and feel much better about it.
    We’re just simply putting our ducks in a row.

    goatsred (b20383)

  1987. Wondered at comment,
    twenty twelve would the World end?
    Mayans missed this time.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1988. out of gas people?
    weinerfest memorable
    give it all you got!

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1989. I’m waiting for the Unified Field Theory that pulls all these pieces together into something I can understand…

    Anyone have any suggestions?

    Sue (24e46b)

  1990. just me and you Sue
    they’re gone arrivederci
    goodbye muchachos

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  1991. –Comment by Sue — 7/13/2011 @ 6:01 pm–

    Good Scotch.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1992. Lagavulin? 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  1993. I normally drink Chivas but I was given some Johnny Walker Blue Label and it was very smooth, though too rich for my budget. I prefer blended Scotch, single malts are a bit aromatic for me. Of course many prefer them.

    I am saving the last bottle of Blue Label for a special occasion, maybe a conservative sweep or the recovery of our economy (I can dream).

    Lagavulin is new to me but looks to be a fine choice for what you asked.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1994. I had a chance to try some Laphroaig once and it may have been the nastiest thing I have ever tasted. I was wondering if Scotch could spoil but people with more educated taste assured me it was supposed to be like that.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1995. I guess I just have plebeian taste.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1996. Lagavulin is also too rich for my budget, but I know someone who enjoys it and has occasionally indulged me. It is definitely a rich and intense flavor, almost appropriate for dessert on its own.

    Here’s hoping you don’t have to save that bottle of Blue Label for too long!

    Sue (24e46b)

  1997. I’ve never tried Laphroaig…and now am glad I have not *snort*

    But the worst liquor I’ve had was Ouzo…brought back from Greece…ye suffering gawds…

    I’m from the south, ‘shine is not..umm…unusual..but Ouzo…ick.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  1998. –Comment by Sue — 7/13/2011 @ 6:33 pm–
    Thank you. I hope so too for all our sakes.

    –Comment by ppk_pixie — 7/13/2011 @ 6:43 pm–

    I am notorious for not being adventurous. It sounds like you have more courage than I do in trying new things.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  1999. –Comment by ppk_pixie — 7/13/2011 @ 6:43 pm–

    You have a way with words and wonderful style, Ma’am. I am LOL.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2000. Adventurous..I like that! Sounds ever so much nicer than the usual “foolhardy”, “impulsive”, and the ever popular “wench done lost her mind”.

    Looking before you leap is always a better trait, Machinist…always. That and you don’t end up making Mr Yuk faces as often 😉

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2001. I haven’t tried Laphroaig either. Thanks for the tip, Machinist.
    ppk_pixie, I agree that Ouzo isn’t worth the glass to pour it into. Of course, the guy I knew that thought it was wonderful usually didn’t bother with a glass and simply drank from the bottle. I guess that should have given me a clue, huh?

    Sue (24e46b)

  2002. My wife has a certain exasperated look she gets when she wants me to try something new and I am being stubborn. I know this look quite well.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2003. Laphroaig seems to be an acquired taste. I just don’t think I want to taste things I might have to to develop an appreciation of it. I suspect it might include things like haggis or kidney pie (((shudder))). 🙁

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2004. My theory is…if it tastes like black licorice…its from the devil. I swore Ouzo was the bastard child of Jaggermeister.

    Of course, my husband says there’s not a 4 year old born that’s a pickier eater than me, sooo…haggis..yeah, don’t think so. Organ meat is for my dogs, not me LOL

    Sue- he drank it from the bottle? He was either showing off, trying to consume quickly before the taste made him do Mr Yuk, or had never been introduced to these instruments we commonly call…glassware. You got that clue loud and clear…he, on the other hand, well…not everyone answers the clue phone when it rings…and rings..and…

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2005. But I like black licorice! Oh well, I told you I was a peasant.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2006. Thanks to you gentle ladies I have a fresh pot of coffee brewing and I am sitting here with a glass of Chivas. Life is good. Thank you.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2007. ppk_pixie, I noticed very quickly that the “gentleman” – was no such thing. And when I encountered Ouzo in other settings, I still wasn’t impressed, at all. You’re right that “not everyone answers the clue phone” – and then there are some people who answer it in an unknown language, too. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2008. Machinist, anyone that has sense enough to have a pot of coffee brewing and a glass of Chivas and to know that “Life is good” is no peasant and never will be. 🙂

    Enjoy! Breathe! Life is good as it is given and tomorrow beckons…

    Sue (24e46b)

  2009. Machinist- you’re no peasant. My husband *adores* black licorice. I watch him eat it and make faces for him. That’s how good a wife I am. (yes, I typed that with a quasi-straight face..practice) But now I’m thinking that I might be a peasant…I don’t drink coffee… LOL

    Sue, I’ve found that those that do not answer the clue phone, sometimes need the handy-dandy clue bat. Might not help them get the clue per se, but it sure makes you feel better.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2010. My wife makes those faces about black licorice as well. She calls it “plastic candy”.

    I did not like milk and started on coffee very young. I really learned to live on it when working in restaurants starting at 15. The good part is I learned to like plain institutional coffee. Fancy and expensive coffees taste like instant or freeze dried to me. Cheap tastes are handy. I used to drink over six pots a day but now I am down to two or less. One gets old. 🙁

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2011. Three cheers for the proper application of the clue bat! It is, indeed, most excellent for keeping my blood pressure low… 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2012. Sue,
    I am commenting on a classy site like Patterico’s with two charming and eloquent ladies. How could life be better?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2013. That was sweet Machinist 🙂

    But my inner smarta$$ said “obama-free?”

    I should have jumped in commenting sooner, truly I should have. I love Breitbart’s boards, but here…y’all dig for that info, you hash it out. There you spend a day, maybe two at best, and a new story…and off you go.

    You all are impressively good, intelligent…fun people. Thanks for letting to join in.

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2014. I am so hoping you will join in often. You are a prize. I will certainly be looking for your comments.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2015. letting me to ….blah blah yada yada

    damn typoglycemia…

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2016. Thank you, Machinist. You are a true gentleman. 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2017. Please, I have a reputation to consider.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2018. Mac is easier to type if you prefer.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2019. I have to say that I rarely commented before, although I read a great deal and have enjoyed Patterico’s site for some time. I am most impressed with the people here and have ended up being drawn into the discussion to an extent quite beyond my custom. I am rather surprised at the number of comments and discussions that I have felt comfortable posting here. It is because of the high quality of the people, I think. There is such a wonderful diversity of opinion, and a level of mutual respect in spite of difference.

    Sue (24e46b)

  2020. I came here when Stashiu3 posted his series on his time at Gitmo. I knew him from another forum. I was very impressed with Pat’s honesty and integrity. I think he has created a unique site here and I am hooked. As you say, it is a diverse and interesting group of commenters. I almost never comment or read the comments at Ace of Spades, though I read it regularly, but this is a great place with some great people.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2021. Sue, I have been seeing your comments lately and hoped you would join in more. You are always interesting and thoughtful.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2022. Ladies,

    When Mac tells you he has a reputation, he’s right… just not the one he implies, heh. I can tell you he is just as charming and honorable in real life as he is online.

    Also, if you want this thread to hit 3,000 just get him talking about guns again. I’m not sure how he was distracted when you brought it up before (I think maybe the Ron Brynaert ranting may be responsible), but the man has forgotten more than I’ll ever know. Of course, that goes for many topics when it comes to him.

    He has a known flaw however. The shameful secret is he has been known to taunt others for liking either Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Tron. Yes, it’s true. A scar on an otherwise perfect character.

    Hi Mac! 😛

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2023. Do you prefer Mac or Machinist?

    Sue (24e46b)

  2024. Sue, either is fine. I used Machinist because I am a retired machinist and loved machining. Many people shorten it to Mac.

    Don’t pay attention to Stashiu3, he is politely saying my memory is going. He is getting back at me for calling him a Buffy Bunny. He deserved it for sending me Dr. Horrible or some such thing. He also is obsessed with The Princess Bride. Ask him about Inigo Montoya and you will see what I mean. 😉

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2025. Good evening, Sir. How are you?

    Are we heading for 3,000?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2026. Ace of Spades is what I call “a guilty pleasure”…makes me laugh body parts off. But I don’t comment there By the time I think of something to say, its either been said, something said better, or its been a bazillion hours (technical term).

    What made me comment here was I remembered reading on Kos about Neal/StrandedWind and thought it was an interesting link. The twists this story has gone through has been nothing short of phenomenal (hmm..that sooo doesn’t look like its spelled correctly, but I digress) And what made me finally continue to “run my mouth” (and gawd help y’all) was the mania I was witnessing. And it is manic-like. I don’t know this person, but I don’t wish anyone to suffer through it. If he really is manic, these things he’s saying- he believes them- wholeheartedly. I pray for peace for him.

    And Mac..you are a gentleman…but if it helps, I’ll swear that you kick puppies and shoved my granny off a cliff *innocent look*

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2027. “Inigo Montoya and you will see what I mean”

    I swear, I almost said in response to your “reputation” remark about being a gentleman “you keep using that word…”

    Wish I had now LOL

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2028. I was shocked that just this evening my youngest could not name “The Princess Bride” as my all-time favorite movie. I swear… this was not more than 30 minutes ago. Now Mac brings it up. Hmmm….

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2029. I think Stash has every line memorized! And is just looking for an excuse. 0.0

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2030. It may be a defense mechanism kicking in. 😉

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2031. We sadly quote, or find reasons to quote…gawd…I’m admitting this…Spaceballs.

    We live in the country..its boring *snort*

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2032. Are we heading for 3,000?
    Comment by Machinist — 7/13/2011 @ 8:33 pm

    Perish the thought. (shudder) The substantive content level has already dropped below critical levels. You want to break the blog?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2033. I have not seen that Ma’am, but I have heard of it. I am a bit out of date on popular culture.

    I moved to Texas four years ago and love it. We are not in the country. I would love that but my wife would not. The edge of suburbia seems to be the right compromise for us.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2034. Thank you for the compliments. I have certainly commented more here than ever before. I seem to be hooked, too. I like the fact that there is a real discussion, not just poking around at each other or flaming. That is much of what led to my commenting. Folks were actually looking at the possibilities and sharing ideas and thinking about things. And I could learn about the things I hadn’t done (like Twitter) and the folks here were patient about my questions. I’m pretty sure that Stashiu3 and you, Mac, were among the ones that were willing to help me out. There were many who answered me. Thanks to all. 😀

    Sue (24e46b)

  2035. –“You want to break the blog?”–

    I haven’t already?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2036. I do have every line memorized. I usually tell people to say a line from the movie (which I then correct because they make a minor misquotation somehow), then rattle off the next two or three lines. It’s been a while though.

    He deserved it for sending me Dr. Horrible or some such thing.
    Comment by Machinist — 7/13/2011 @ 8:32 pm

    And who sent me “Forever Knight”? Answer me that Sir.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2037. Do I need more Haiku?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2038. I think I only sent one year, didn’t I. I have all three.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2039. Soothing glass of Scotch
    Lullaby murmurs softly
    Poster sleeps ‘til dawn…

    Good Night, All. Sleep Well.
    I’ve enjoyed our discussion immensely. Thanks very much.

    Sue (24e46b)

  2040. roses are red
    violets are blue
    this thread is too short
    we need more haiku

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2041. Why did I know you would bring that up?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2042. Good night, Sue. Thank you.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2043. Dustin!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2044. Good night, and thank you Sue for the wonderful conversation and laughter 🙂

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2045. Dustin joins the fun,
    where will the conversation go?
    It’s anyone’s guess.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2046. Okay…is it…bad…that I’ve never seen an episode of Buffy?

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2047. Oops! -Where will conversation go?-

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2048. -Comment by ppk_pixie — 7/13/2011 @ 8:56 pm-

    I would say normal. Neither have I.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2049. I can only do “caveman interpretive” haiku-

    (holds up five fingers)
    (then holds up seven fingers)
    (repeats the five fingers)

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2050. ppk_pixie,
    A fresh voice, brimming with charm.
    Wit and humor, fused.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2051. aww hell..and got it wrong too

    (repeats five fingers)

    *sigh*

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2052. That reminds me Mac… serious recommendation. “Being Human”, the BBC version. Only three seasons (they call them series) and definitely something you’d like to watch. One of my son’s friends recommended it to me.

    Of course, another of his friends recommended “Pretty Little Liars”. Probably not your style. Just sayin’ 😉

    Goodnight Sue and thanks.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2053. That was wonderful, Mac! The last time anyone used my name in poetry…oh, wait…never mind.

    (couldn’t resist)

    Gotta run to work (I hate 3rd shift) might pop back on in a few- but if not…thank you again 🙂

    ppk_pixie (7a67da)

  2054. Fine and gentle Stash,
    Respected and admired here.
    An inspiration.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2055. wow… so what are we talking about at 2000 comments?

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  2056. ppk_pixie,
    An honor and a pleasure, Ma’am. Good night.

    I loved night shift.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2057. Stash,
    I’ll look for it. I recently got the series “House of Cards” and the two sequels. I just rewatched all 12 episodes. Great.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2058. –wow… so what are we talking about at 2000 comments?

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 7/13/2011 @ 9:06 pm–

    I barely know what I’m talking about now. I was enchanted by the ladies.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2059. Was that really twelve hours ago????

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2060. –wow… so what are we talking about at 2000 comments?

    Comment by Aaron Worthing — 7/13/2011 @ 9:06 pm–

    Well, there’s a nice commenter named Sue, and someone wants to sue me. Also, Machinist likes guns and Texas.

    I moved to Texas four years ago and love it. We are not in the country. I would love that but my wife would not. The edge of suburbia seems to be the right compromise for us.

    Comment by Machinist

    I really wanted to live out in the hill country around Bastrop. I probably eventually will, but right now we’re similarly situated on the edge of a very fast growing suburbia in Texas. Basically a compromise much like what yours sounds like.

    We love it here too. But Texas is seeing so much growth I know I will be in the middle of suburbia pretty soon.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2061. I feel the same way. I am in McKinney but really closer to Frisco. It was the outskirts when we moved but things are filling in fast.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2062. Having come from CA I truly appreciate Texas. I only met people like these in very small towns in CA. It is so refreshing and nice.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2063. The hour grows late,
    The conversation cools down.
    Quiet settles in.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2064. Flaccid Wiener?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2065. And all through the house,
    Not a creature was stirring.
    Echos in huge thread.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2066. I do have every line memorized. I usually tell people to say a line from the movie (which I then correct because they make a minor misquotation somehow), then rattle off the next two or three lines. It’s been a while though.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/13/2011 @ 8:49 pm

    Awesome. 🙂 For some reason I never stopped to figure out, that movie has more quotable lines applicable to all sorts of situations than any other one I know. A couple of friends can insert multiple Princess Bride quotes into any conversation effortlessly and they fit. And they’re funny there too.

    no one you know (b4310d)

  2067. Flashback

    This is where the new media pitfalls come into play. Betty and Veronica are both terrified of being identified and further harassed, but since Betty contacted me, at least one blogger has repeatedly tried to contact her, based on clues from our social media accounts. This person was probably acting on a hunch, but it scared Betty. The reason it has taken me five days to publish this story is that I’ve been trying to verify everything, without jeopardizing my source.

    Was TC’s unnamed “one blogger” ever identified?

    Tommy’s first Betty & Veronica piece (June 3, Updated/annotated after NYT June 17)

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  2068. twenty nine five you
    rascal you not so hard to
    get there if you try

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2069. There are times that this chase down th gopher hole,
    has ‘become more and more selective,’ over time, but
    then Neal and co, keeps ‘Dialing up to Eleven’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2070. This would be a good time to reflect on Howie Kurtz’s outstanding investigative journalism on this story.
    HowardKurtz on Twitter, May 30

    @HowardKurtz
    HowardKurtz

    To twerps demanding I cover Anthony Weiner Twitter scandal: Whole thing appears to be faked. Sometimes it pays to wait for the facts.

    30 May via Mobile Web

    Oops.

    Makes Hall & Christopher look like Woodward & Bernstein.

    /sarcasm

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  2071. Does anybody here know anything about Jimmy Siegel, the genius ad-man who worked for Howard Wolfson on the HRC ’08 campaign? (Weiner’s main competition for nyc mayor’s race was Wolfson, and I think someone up above (somewhere!) in these comments said Wolfson was known to have used some “dirty tricks”-type political propaganda against Weiner in the past. photo/my thoughts on it here:
    http://t.co/u0fnPWP

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2072. Thanks for naming who you were talking about qritiq. I had asked you at your blog, but then forgot the URL to it.

    I do find that theory plausible for one part of this scandal. I still think Neal is involved with the part that actually matters now, but that doesn’t make your theory any less interesting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2073. Oh, I see Qritiq doesn’t answer me on his/her blog, actually.

    I think it’s an interesting theory, but find it strange this person ignores relevant questions. It’s a little creepy to post people’s personal information, dig up photos, etc. Too much of that going on for my taste. Too many people are so desperate to guess correctly first that they are just throwing out anything they can come up with. And then there are the real creeps, who are putting out personal information and screwing with people just because they are thugs.

    In that environment, I think it’s particularly weird to ignore a question of ‘what makes you say that?’

    What basis do you have to say this Jimmy Stengel knows about Weiner’s behavior? If you do have evidence he did, and that Wolfson is a dirty tricks politician, and that they are working together, I think you’ve found a very good theory. I just need to see you show your work. Instead of ignore questions.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2074. btw, in reading Q’s blog, I get the impression she (forgive me if you’re not a she) is discussing all this in good faith. And I would LOVE it if her theory is correct.

    But come on… don’t hide the ball.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2075. The notion that Wolfson would be a viable candidate, after Bloomberg, ‘winning’

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2076. Sure, Ian, you’re probably right. But that was actually my initial guess as to why Tommy’s source was anti Weiner and then anti Breitbart.

    I dunno, though. Don’t assume NYC will have a decent candidate for mayor. Weiner could be the next one, for all we know.

    Dustin (b7410e)

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    Call in number to speak with the host, Lee Stranahan
    (347) 945-5235

    koam @wittier (68bbff)

  2078. ronbryn (via twitter)

    But it gets better….what if you were to realize that the LOVE of your life was part of this sick twisted StrandedWind game, as well. Yep.

    My ex- was always too hot for me I knew & her family is full of actors & radical poets. Her mom gave me my laptop. She worked for…

    He’s complaining that one of his friends is playing Xbox (I assume he can see this from his own Xbox’s friends list) instead of offering him legal assistance (suing me?) and he’s complaining that his other friends from years past must be working with Neal because they don’t introduce Ron to their girlfriends, and they are financially successful.

    Ron, listen, Neal is a scumbag, but I think you’re being paranoid. perhaps Neal is playing off your paranoia and screwing with your particularly hard in hopes no one believes you. That sick idea seems possible, and damn him if that’s the case. But on the other hand, you aren’t doing yourself any favors talking about your friends (whom I do not know) this way.

    I tried to help you and got threatened with a lawsuit for nothing. Your closer friends will be even angrier than I am.

    If your friends have stopped returning your calls that you claim you are making 15 times in a row from payphones, maybe you just need to take a break. I am sincerely worried that you, some guy I do not really know, are not in control of yourself.

    You probably qualify for MetroPlus. Their number is 800-303-9626. One with financial challenges in need of mental health care (which I don’t think is something to be ashamed of) could call that number and arrange a diagnosis.

    I know you read that earlier. Google Metroplus. It’s just a health care program for people in the NYC area. It covers mental health. Email one of your real life friends or family and ask them what they think. You can either reflect on how you’re acting and move forward, or you can continue down this path, which clearly is making you miserable.

    Even if you assume I’m the superhacker mastermind (I am not, btw) that doesn’t mean you don’t need a little help. Even just talking to a therapist about what you’re dealing with would seem really helpful to you. If you’re 100% right about all your friends (which I sincerely doubt) you still need someone to talk to about it.

    Seriously, take a few days off the internet and consider what I’m telling you.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2079. God. Why would a woman pose as your girlfriend and pretend to give you Jon Stewart’s pants?

    Ron, think about it. What reason would anyone spend years and zillions of dollars on an army of actors to play all your friends and girlfriends just to manipulate a Raw Story blogger (ex or not)?

    think about it. Is Neal really capable of that kind of conspiracy? I think he’s good at twitter trolling and much worse hoaxes. I think he’s capable of hurting people, too. But one thing you are doing is undermining a real discussion of the things he’s really doing. You are doing Neal a favor.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2080. Left out the link.

    And sorry for the repeat posts, but I want this in the thread.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2081. You’re giving good advice, Dustin.
    Kudos to you for offering Ron such productive options.

    In the beginning, I thought his nuttiness was amusing.
    Now it’s just really unfortunate.

    Auntie Fraud (2f38aa)

  2082. I know sanity is not a prerequisite for working on Raw Story, it’s like the ‘Lone Gun Men’ for real,
    but sheesh.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2083. Ron does not seem to like me.

    I’ve never actually shared anything private about Ron. I explained that I do not see what would be wrong with noting what crimes he’s committed. I was both talking about a general principle of my freedom of speech, and also talking about the natural reaction I have to Ron threatening to sue me. And remember, he didn’t threaten to sue me for sharing his information. He threatened to sue me for saying that Alicia rather than Nancy had done so, because someone was mistaken on this point.

    Ron actually threatened to sue me because I explained just how suspicious and strange his behavior is. He is trying to silence his critics. He even demanded my private information be broadcast the way his was. There’s no principle behind his behavior.

    What does Ron mean by ‘he can come here anytime’? Obviously Ron means we can have a physical fight.

    Ron, I am not going to come to New York and fight you. I’m a grown man with a life. I just want you to talk to someone you trust about seeking help.

    You’re obviously trying to provoke me, but I just don’t have an interest in agitating a person already making themselves miserable. I don’t want you to commit suicide or hurt your ex girlfriend or other friends you keep accusing of being in on the conspiracy.

    I used your location to research how an unemployed person in your area could get help. You make so secret of your general location anyway. I called a hospital and they explained this isn’t an uncommon issue.

    You qualify for a local health care program, Metroplus, and I’ve provided you with the phone number. You’d impress a lot of people by showing us you can ask for help.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2084. Dustin – Watching Ron talk to himself on twitter is very strange. He claims his laptop is busted so maybe he can’t play solitaire or something. Maybe we are witnessing stream of consciousness Capital “J” Journalism, but I doubt it.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2085. I also did not know Patterico’s twitter was hacked. Maybe Ron should inform Patterico.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2086. weinerrauschnauzer
    go ahead punk make my day
    brynaert mania

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2087. I have seen people have psychotic breaks from smoking too much weed. I asked Ron about his smoking habits here the other day but did not receive an answer. Apparently he is restricting his communications to 140 character twitter messages and pay phones.

    Maybe we can all chip in and buy him a cone of silence so socks and hackers can’t listen to what he is saying.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2088. I also did not know Patterico’s twitter was hacked. Maybe Ron should inform Patterico.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 7/14/2011 @ 5:27 pm

    Yeah, that was pretty funny. It’s clear Patterico’s twitter hasn’t been hacked (though I realize no one needed me to explain that).

    I hope Ron has a friend out there who has thought to read this thread, and hopefully they can get over there and buy this guy a meal and get him off the internet for a while. Talk about baseball or something.

    Frankly, I’m not immune to a degree of paranoia. No one is. This case is genuinely scary in some respects. We have to keep our wits about us and try to analyze the elements of our paranoia that is productive from sheer fear.

    I think Ron is scared to death, and he’s scared of his own friends. We could make fun of him for that, but as I mentioned earlier, someone I care about has some problems that used to be a lot like this, and I just can’t laugh about it. It’s not funny. Ron’s probably a smart guy who is suffering. His anger at me doesn’t change that.

    And while I don’t want to make this an anti-drug commercial, I do know that pot and paranoia have a relationship.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2089. Ron has quite a shtick, where he criticizes what I say by claiming I have been hacked (obviously Patterico was hacked because the real Patterico would never say something so stupid as [something I actually said]). He used to edit Raw Story, which was tied to Kimberlin at the hip. I certainly cannot discount the possibility that he is simply trying to have fun with us.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2090. How does a guy who used to edit a reasonably well trafficked publication have over 6000 tweets and 7 followers??

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2091. Frankly, if Ron is only playing crazy, that is sick as hell.

    And his pattern towards me is identical to Brett’s towards Socrates.

    He’s claiming to know for sure I’m Neal. Why not threaten to sue Neal, then? Why promise to sue someone you’re sure is not even real?

    I just can’t come up with a good explanation for why he’d want to pretend to be delusional. Since he’s spending all his energy attacking Brett and Neal’s harshest critics, it’s not like his credibility destroying behavior would help them. Just for the lulz? He’s too committed.

    His comments about that ex girlfriend or xbox playing lawyer pal were pretty damn worrisome, too. No, I sincerely believe Ron is disturbed. In my one experience with someone like that, I was overcome with the suspicion they were making it all up. Lasted until treatment started working. Ron is probably suffering terribly with fear of practically everyone he comes into contact with. It’s a fate I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

    His Kimberlin association probably explains why he’s paranoid about this story, rather than why he’s acting paranoid. Hell, it’s possible they really are screwing with him because of whatever beef he has with his former pals. They might think it’s funny to turn him on their other enemies. He is very frustrating.

    I know there is one additional coincidence that really tilts things towards suspicion of Ron, and it does appear my obliquely referencing it is what set him off. I can only say I’d rather be safe than sorry. If someone out there has some way of reaching out to Ron, do so. I didn’t think my doing so was likely to work, but I had to try.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2092. How does a guy who used to edit a reasonably well trafficked publication have over 6000 tweets and 7 followers??

    Comment by Patterico — 7/14/2011 @ 7:55 pm

    Twitter technical question:

    If you block someone following you as spam, are they removed from your quantity of followers? He may have had tons of followers he went out of his way to exclude from recent outbursts.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2093. ron smoke two joints and
    then he smoke two joints and then
    he smoke two more…yay!

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2094. Qritiq, I have launched an investigation into all of my friends who supported Hillary Clinton and drink Pepsi. I’ll have a list to forward to you. Oh, also, I have some friends who drink Coke, but drank Pepsi a decade ago. Do you think I should be looking at them, too?

    But I think I see the motive… Koam was involved in the Weinergate caper, and so he came to this blog to challenge Lee’s theory of a jilted lover… in order to call attention to the larger plot that he himself was behind.

    Got it.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2095. LOL, Jeffeneff. Well said. If Koam is trying to hide, he’s doing a damn lousy job of it.

    I don’t understand why people are so suspicious of him. He seems pretty straight. I confided a single fact to him (nothing significant anymore) and he was the only person who didn’t tell anyone (as far as I know!). I think he’s probably just like me: someone willing to opine seriously about this case, and doing nothing that reasonably justifies much suspicion.

    I don’t want to fight with this Qritiq person, though. I just don’t understand where she’s coming from.

    Might I add that I think HEB’s Original Cola is far superior to Pepsi or Coca-Cola.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2096. Diet Coke rules.

    I do drink less now, only a can or two a day. I drink canned carbonated water mainly.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2097. Someone Smarter Than Me: Explain Why This Is Not Possible

    Dustin, that got me to thinking… what if a reasoned, evenhanded chronicler of facts and theories is here to find out what people know?

    ParanoiaRunsDeep (707f3d)

  2098. Dustin, yes. If you block a spammer, they are are removed from the list of persons following you.

    SarahW (af7312)

  2099. The best way to handle Ron is to not attempt to try to handle Ron. Leave him be. It’s the kindest thing.

    SarahW (af7312)

  2100. Thanks for explaining, Sarah. That’s surely how Ron keeps his followers so low. If he’s faking he’s putting a lot of work into it and deliberately limiting who can see it. I suspect he’s not faking.

    For the record, I’m not on twitter. Certainly I’m not engaging Ron on there. I go several days without reading it.

    But Sarah’s right. My attempts to handle Ron are counterproductive, and now he’s probably convinced I’m the Ice Truck Killer.

    what if a reasoned, evenhanded chronicler of facts and theories is here to find out what people know?

    Comment by ParanoiaRunsDeep —

    heh. It is pretty funny that paranoia is at the point where people wonder even about the people who act that way. But you never know. I frankly am not very worried about the Weinergate part of Weinergate.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2101. interesting that little buddy jeffeneff comes out fighting for koam’s honor by mischaracterizing my posting (this one: http://wp.me/p6l52-fa )

    jeff – koam is a former exec and a current consultant – I’m guessing he might have the wherewithal to speak for himself.

    Unlike Ron, I do not believe koam to be some criminal mastermind with a big budget. Far from it.

    Also, Ron says koam is a hacker. Well, I think Ron is wrong on that count too. koam is not an IT guy, rather, koam has years of top experience in the management of creative ideas and messaging. Which I think is interesting vis-a-vis the subject at hand.

    Also, as a former manager myself, I know that on occasion, the vendors and consultants that you manage offer you work.

    There was a reason koam came into my field of vision and it had something to do with something he wrote about me (which is why I noticed it.) If I have time, I might write it up.

    And one last note, to Dustin:
    I hope you’re not intimating that I had to “dig” up a photo of Jimmy Siegel – he is a very public person who offers commentary to publications all the time. The shot I used is quite obviously a publicity shot.

    Also, Dustin, I answered 3 or 4 of your questions, identified the players in question on my post, as per your request, and put that info here so you would see it – all gratis. If you require any more work from me, my special rate for you (because I like you) is $1 per word for opinion pieces, $2 per word plus expenses for research reports. (Since your IP does appear on some old proxy lists, I’ll have to require payment in advance.) Please contact me if interested.

    Also – what are you basing your stated suspicion of Neal on? (I read one of his pieces and he didn’t seem to have a clue.)

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2102. I hope you’re not intimating that I had to “dig” up a photo of Jimmy Siegel – he is a very public person who offers commentary to publications all the time. The shot I used is quite obviously a publicity shot.

    I’m sure you’re right, and no, I’m not intimating anything nefarious on your part. In fact, I’ve gone out of my way to explain that I’m not claiming any kind of bad faith on your part. What is it, four times now I’ve gone out of my way to do so?

    Also – what are you basing your stated suspicion of Neal on? (I read one of his pieces and he didn’t seem to have a clue.)

    Comment by qritiq

    This coming from the person who rudely demanded I ‘wake the hell up’ when I asked you for some clear basis for your suspicions about Koam?

    I think Liberty Chick has covered Neal better than anybody. Read up on it.

    Just understand I don’t really even care about the Weinergate part of this story. I don’t care if conservatives or dirty trick liberals were playing Chris Hanson or leaking his dirty secrets. I’m not suggesting there’s something wrong with you caring about that. It’s interesting. I just am more focused on the Alicia Pain and other criminal activity. I want whoever is behind that to go to prison.

    There is no conflict between my suspicion of Neal and your theories, actually. I don’t know if you’re right, and I merely asked you to explain where you were coming from.

    I answered 3 or 4 of your questions, identified the players in question on my post, as per your request, and put that info here so you would see it – all gratis.

    Yes, you did. Thanks. I appreciate it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2103. BTW, folks are a little worried about clicking odd links and shortened links. Qritiq’s blog is qritiq.wordpress.com.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2104. qritiq.wordpress.com

    I screwed up the link in the prior comment. 🙁

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2105. And of course Neal’s theories on his Kos diary are hopelessly wrong, Qritiq.

    He’s just trying to smear the good names of Brett Kimberlin’s louder critics.

    That doesn’t prove he’s uninvolved. It’s not like he sincerely thinks Socrates is hacking Anthony Weiner. He’s just trying to smear the good name of anyone honorable enough to call Brett Kimberlin a violent con man. Neal showing such support for Brett is far more disturbing than any kind of Weinergate hacking. The only thing in this entire episode that is worse is the criminal behavior.

    But I don’t want to kneecap those who suspect Neal of being party to the petty hoaxing on twitter. Just as I would wonder if Howard Stern have a hand in someone shouting down Weiner at his next presser, of course I’ll wonder if Neal is involved with hacking, sockpuppets, and twitter trolling a story Neal’s interested in.

    What I’m more concerned about is how someone is threatening Patterico and others with relation to this story, and Neal has a record of ‘any means necessary’ activism.

    There’s more to it that I’m not going to discuss openly. As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s necessary. What Neal’s doing out in the open is already quite condemnable.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2106. I used to think Ron was acting but now I do not think that. I would like to apologize to Ron for taunting him the other day and sincerely hope he can get his life back in order.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2107. I’m camping. Low batteries and can’t type much on phone., low signal in mountains. Will have to catch up later.

    koam @witier (99ed41)

  2108. I think Ron may have hacked my twitter and Facebook accounts even though I am not on twitter or Facebook.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2109. I think Ron may have hacked my twitter and Facebook accounts even though I am not on twitter or Facebook.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 7/15/2011 @ 7:34 pm

    And your comments here. The real daleyrocks would never say something so stupid. To say something that stupid you would have to be Ron sockpuppeting Daley. obviously.

    Patterico (e023dd)

  2110. Sock puppet theory!
    Who knows what evil words spew,
    from hijacked IDs,

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2111. How hard is it to hack a Twitter account, really?
    I was wondering about it because of this story:
    http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/07/15/politicians-twitter-account-hacked.html?sid=101
    An Ohio Congressman’s account (Republican) ended up with strange messages and the account picture was replaced with an inappropriate one. The Congressman’s spokeswoman says they are working with U.S. Capitol Police, House Information Security and Twitter to resolve it.
    (Clearly, Rep. Weiner’s account was NOT hacked.)
    But how hard is it to get into someone’s account and do unauthorized stuff?

    Sue (24e46b)

  2112. Ron was a longtime commenter and guest blogger at Brad Blog, which is connected at the hip to Brett Kimberlin and Velvet Revolution. The scams promoted by Brad Friedman and convicted perjurer, drug smuggler and domestic terrorist Brett Kimberlin must not be new information to Ron and some say Kimberlin was involved in founding Raw Story, where worked for a number of years. Raw Story thrived on publishing the bizarre conspiracy theories pushed by Brad Blog and Velvet Revolution. Ron’s appearance here and his strange comments about this blog on his twitter account do not appear coincidental.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2113. The above comment does not appear to have been made by the real Daleyrocks. I think Ron must have hacked my comments here at PP because I am much to stupid to have written something connecting dots like that, or something.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2114. Sue, I believe that if you can send texts from the phone number of your target, twitter will think it’s your target making the tweet and post it to their feed.

    There is a growing supply of databases of usernames and passwords out there. I commented way above that Neal linked one torrent tracker for downloading usernames and passwords of veterans.

    One problem is that people use the same password for multiple services, or don’t change their password frequently, or change it in a way that is predictable.

    So it’s pretty damn important that you don’t use the same password for multiple things, and that you change all your passwords regularly.

    Obviously be wary of phishing (like a login page that isn’t really).

    Also, depending on your browser, multiple tabs can be a major security risk. For example, if you’re in twitter and open a new tab to a nefarious site, it might be able to see more than you want it to. I don’t really worry about this unless I’m doing something related to money.

    Anyway, you asked how hard would it be to do something unauthorized to someone else’s account? It is possible.

    Bill Johnson’s best recourse was to report it directly to twitter (unlike Weiner, who looked guilty from the first second because he refused to do that).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2115. The above comment by “daleyrocks” is obviously a hacker. The previously hacked comment that was noted by Patterico was clearly too … wait, I mean Patterico’s comment by the hacker was … hold on, what I meant to say was that the hacked denial by Ron daleyrocks Patterico Machinist Stashiu3 Timothy Geitner Dustin, yeah, Dustin the master hacker has struck again.

    Glad to have cleared that up.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2116. Sorry guys. I just can’t help myself.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2117. I am Spartacus.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2118. Thanks, Dustin.
    That gives me a better idea of the nature of the problem.
    I’m looking forward to seeing whether they catch someone pretty quickly or what happens. I hope the news actually reports the next part of that story.

    BTW, I appreciate the feedback from the “master hacker”… 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2119. All right I’m all confuzzled, as pikachu, would say, #2138, doesn’t make sense, but most of the others do,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2120. ian – Obviously some sockpuppet wrote #2138.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2121. ronbryn Ron Brynaert
    Someone from Germany clicked on my new blog… I wonder if that’s the person who hacked Patterico.
    29 minutes ago

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2122. Its like kabuki theater’s version of “who’s on first”…

    I don’t think gps could get me unlost now.

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  2123. Just Ron and his socks playing with twitter and a blog.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  2124. 2153. Help me understand.

    Someone used a sock-puppet creation application that takes the tweets of others, substitutes new sock/bot names. All the content and profiles of these socks are copied from real users.

    The question is whether your tweets got cloned coincidentally, or if you are targeted. I suspect the latter, that someone is excited to advertise the use of this toy.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2125. Help me understand

    Could be what jeff is talking about. Seems like a lot of socks are being made. St Ranahan, that Breitbart account, etc. If you did that combined with their actual tweets for a while you could fool a lot of people.

    Obviously that’s not the intent here since the name isn’t similar. Maybe it’s just a test.

    I guess it could be a spammer trying to look real, but it doesn’t seem that much effort is necessary on twitter to spam folks.

    I’m not going to try to figure Ron out. Either he’s playing a game with us, posing as crazy, or he probably needs to be institutionalized. It’s hard to accept someone that delusional being able to make it through their day. But that remains the best explanation for his behavior.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2126. Note the name. Ethyl (like Ethel) plus a disgusting word.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2127. I caught the Ethel reference, but I didn’t catch the vulgarity reference.

    Obviously that reminds one of the extremely coarse twittergate trolling of the past.

    I should have linked some of that stuff when Qritiq asked about it.

    Definitiely not Milhouse (b7410e)

  2128. ^ Dustin

    (Sorry)

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2129. Here is a search for the image used in that account.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2130. The image is called “Mary_Mamba_Duquan.” Here is a search for that term.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2131. 2157. Naif that I am, I don’t see see the disgusting word. “Ethyl” could possibly be coincidental when you view the enormous numbers of fakes in this labyrinthine example by clicking around on reply names. The software creating this junk could be what is used to help give people followers, (for which there is a market).

    At any rate, this doesn’t seem to be that useful a tool for creating your old-style sockpuppets, the kind with the sewn-on button eyes.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2132. OMG, Patterico is a woman!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2133. ==Someone used a sock-puppet creation application takes the tweets of others, substitutes new sock/bot names. All the content and profiles of these socks are copied from real users.
    The question is whether your tweets got cloned coincidentally or if you are targeted.==

    ==If you did that combined with their actual tweets for a while you could fool a lot of people==

    Why don’t you people just frickin’ quit using twitter? How is it possibly worth dealing with all of this carp? Make a public announcement divorcing twitter–sort of like they used to do in the newspaper: “From this date forward responsible for my debts only.” Then you can deny any and all hacked, sock-puppeted and fake tweeted and re-tweeted messages. Is tweeting somehow the macho electronic version of climbing Mt. Everest or something? It just seems so unnecessarily risky and fraught with personal danger.

    elissa (775109)

  2134. From IRAN!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2135. elissa – Can I email you a picture of Patterico’s junk?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2136. Lagavulin on
    ice only answer for this
    affront to mankind

    elissa (775109)

  2137. 2160. Pat, at this point, it’s patterns in toast. If you click around ‘your’ example, you’ll see that a LARGE number of fake accounts have been created, all duplicating real Twitter profiles and tweets. All of them using computer-generated names. All of them employing pictures possibly picked at random.
    The plausible explanation is that an application harvests the profiles and tweets and then runs them against a cache of pre-built accounts, building out these fake accounts to give them a sort of bizarro credibility.

    Whether you were specifically targeted with ‘Ethyl’, I doubt there are any clues here. If you were targeted, I suspect the more you respond, the more fake clues you will be handed.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2138. “Only answer” is such
    A limiting worldview:
    Sterno in the can.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2139. . Is tweeting somehow the macho electronic version of climbing Mt. Everest or something?

    I really like Elissa’s commentary. LOL.

    Anyway, twitter could be the ultimate RSS feed. You get your favorite bloggers to update you, little silly quips, and interactions between then and other bloggers (and media generally).

    It’s a good way for one blogger to call another blogger out in this public space.

    What we often see are very abbreviated and dumbed down arguments. I tried to have a discussion of AGW, and it was just ‘no you’re wrong’ from 8 people. Very little real argumentation.

    That and people talking about what Starbucks they are in, which is conceited. Why would someone think the world cares about that?

    But Twitter has the potential to be a decent way for folks to interact with strangers. For better and worse.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2140. 😯 What if Weiner is really an Alien from planet Mars?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2141. 2131. Qritiq, I’m hardly fighting for anyone’s honor. I’m trying to see how your theory is anything but a higher-end version of connect-the-specks-on-the-wall a la Ron. From what I can see, you have a tenuous connection based on a less-than-tenuous theory. Have it make sense and I am happy to consider it.

    Explain how calling Lee’s theory (of the lone jilted Weiner woman) into question advances the narrative of someone connected in some way to the Bloomberg-Clinton-Huma axis given the probability that if they were part of the conspiracy, they would want people to see the puppetry as the workings of one spurned off-kilter woman.

    If there’s another theory, what is it?

    I am glad that your experience as a former manager has given you, and then us, the insight that people sometimes hire people they’ve worked with in the past.

    Your big buddy,

    Jeffeneff

    p.s. For someone snarking about people wanting anonymity or privacy, you seem to want the same yourself.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2142. Twitter is just another medium. Lotta people think using the Internet to communicate is a bad idea. And there’s plenty of evidence they can cite to support that position.

    Yet I still use it.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2143. Weiner has been castrated.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2144. Re: 2171 DohBiden
    I doubt that Mars would claim him. Has anyone asked Pluto? 😀

    Sue (24e46b)

  2145. Can the media stop abusing the word alledged.

    I mean alleged pervert Anthony Weiner

    Alleged Murderer Charles Manson.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2146. Yeah true Sue.

    Alleged*

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2147. I had the bright idea to see who was following the Ethyl fake Patterico account. Just 1 person. I don’t want to play in the sandbox anymore.
    I know I said that around, what 1,000?

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2148. twenty one eighty
    you just wait til we get past
    your predecessor

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2149. twenty one eighty
    it so nice to meet you but
    now I have to go

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2150. Anthony Weiner is proof that Congress needs an enema.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2151. twenty one eighty
    and two more to stumble through
    the count goes higher

    Sue (24e46b)

  2152. Jeff is a good writer.

    Welcome to twitter Jeff.

    http://www.whendidyoujointwitter.com/

    Twitter Username: jeffeneff
    Jeff Rey
    Your account was created on
    27 June 2011

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2153. 2183. Qritic, wow, I’m new to Twitter. That is indeed suspicious. If I told you I prefer Pepsi to Coke would you believe me, or think that is misdirection? The point being is that we’re all anonymous bozos on this bus unless we want to be otherwise. Why treat people like suspects without a good reason? Have I said anything here that warrants suspicion except to oppose your point of view? Are you searching for the truth, or is it personal? Have I called you into question because you have a differing viewpoint?

    So many questions!

    What you’re doing is battling against the opinions of others by trying to delegitimize them through a campaign of innuendo – not a bad tactic really, when everyone is so paranoid that a whispered “boo” makes everyone jump.

    For what it’s worth, you can view my particulars here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

    Thanks for the compliment on my writing. Do you think I could write screenplays?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2154. I’m not sure why it’s odd Jeff would have joined twitter recently. He’s interested in this story, and this story is a motivator to follow twitter (which is easier if you have an account).

    And yeah, if you treat everyone with the benefit of the doubt, even though we’re all strangers to some extent, that is doing a big favor for the hoaxers who will laugh and laugh. Oh well. Life’s too short.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2155. Jeff
    “We’re all anonymous bozos on this bus” hahahahaha! (I don’t do LOL) Thank you! What a great post!

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2156. Anyone know who Peter Pavel is? LOIC is a simple flood of a server (he mentioned it derisively to Ethyl). I guess he’s mocking a script kiddie.

    I already thought this whole thing was flying over my head. Sheesh.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2157. He lives all alone in his head.
    In a big creaky house with all of his socks.
    He hugs them and kisses them and calls them Fred.
    He really can’t even ever just go to bed.
    They will take down the blocks. He and his socks.
    So no one will have an opinion again.

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2158. I wonder if Twitter had an increase in new accounts as a result of all the coverage and curiosity?

    Sue (24e46b)

  2159. And, of course, the socks probably had unprotected “relations”… 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2160. Hi Patterico,

    2153.Help me understand:

    http://.twitter.com/#!/ethylkxa

    http://aanewz.blogspot.com

    As a follow up to my post about Ron and the puppets, I checked all the @references for ethylkxa’s current tweets. All the twitter accounts were created within a single 24 hours on May 8th ( 69 days ago ).

    Sockpuppet army!!!

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  2161. 2190
    No we don’t need anymore sock babies seeeriously. Latex for all socks! I think we can fit that into current debt ceiling negotiations.

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2162. 2191. That date makes me lean toward thinking this coincidental, that Patrick is a drive-by in a puppetry exercise that is separate from all this. In any case, a cursory exercise of clicking the fake names in ethyl’s timeline reveals more and more socked profiles and timelines. It is someone’s exercise in building a network of socks. The value of chasing down this rabbithole is nil, imho.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2163. No we don’t need anymore sock babies seeeriously.

    LOL

    I liked your poem too. Threadwinning material.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2164. #2189 Sue,

    That’s exactly why I finally opened a silly twitter account. But its been rather boring, for the most part.

    I’ve learned far more here, at any rate.

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  2165. Re: #2195 ppk_pixie
    I know, I was very tempted several times. But I am just not a very public person and it feels to me like a very public forum. Only in that forum, I can’t just say anything the way I want to; I have to do it in 140 characters or less.
    In case you hadn’t noticed, I like words… 🙂

    Sue (24e46b)

  2166. ass glued to toilet
    folks need feedback EPIC FAIL
    the world needs a tweet

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2167. gotta let me know
    should I stay or should I go?
    c’mon let me know

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2168. always please please please
    now I’m poundin on my knees
    gotta let me know

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2169. okay there it pass
    not talkin somethin from ass
    twenty two hundred!

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2170. apologize for
    scatalogical humor
    or attempts therein

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2171. Speaking of being protected. My anti Virus, and spyware programs have never ever been as busy until going to twitter links. Lots of embedded stuff at twitter. Much of it having Russian origins.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2172. I miss Joe Strummer
    but worst show evah did see
    Clash in Hollywood… June 1982

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2173. Love affair with words
    Not possible with Twitter
    One forty too low…

    Sue (24e46b)

  2174. I can’t find the proper thread for this:

    Britain’s The Guardian newspaper has apologized to The Sun tabloid for claiming that The Sun illicitly accessed the medical records of former Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s son.

    The Guardian’s initial story, which accused The Sun of accessing the files to sustain a “scoop” saying Brown’s son had cystic fibrosis, added to growing outrage in Britain amid allegations of phone hacking at another one of Rupert Murdoch’s tabloids.

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2175. ian,

    I’m actually happy you brought that up. I was skimming through some British blogs, and saw there was considerable debate surrounding Rupert,
    and his papers. I didn’t have the time to dig in and discover what the row was about.
    Have you the backqround on the row? I thought it was broader that the specific issue you mention.
    What is your take?

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2176. I imagine alot of these claims are overblown,when the circular firing squad is being drawn so tightly
    by the likes of Elliot Spitzer and Larry Flynt the whole thing has gotten out of hand, Fleet Street is not the most scrupulous sort, but as the Bishop Cranmer blog has pointed out, NewsCorp is fairly low on the totem poll in intrusions,

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2177. Can someone tell Lady Gaga Anthony Weiner wants to be her paper gangster?

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  2178. Thank you ian,

    Another fine example of leftist projection. They sure don’t like to have the light of truth shown on “teh narrative”.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2179. Catch-up difficult
    when sarcasm outweigh info
    (pretend this haiku)

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2180. Agile minds can do
    more than one thing at a time
    haiku and Weiner

    elissa (775109)

  2181. A little light reading for Cap’n John and others concerned with security lately.

    I hope I don’t come across as paranoid… there’s too much of that going around… but indeed I’m suffering cross site scripting a lot more than I’m used to. It’s probably relatively benign privacy-disregarding ad companies, but damn.

    Solutions are mentioned.

    Koam, I don’t think there’s much to catch up on. Just static.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2182. In particular, check out the ‘exploit scenario’ section and the solutions.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2183. twenty two fourteen
    came and went without warning
    first haiku new day

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2184. red sky in morning
    there is no warning, sailor
    haiku pearl harbor

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2185. “The Red Socks are coming!” The Red Socks are coming!”

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2186. So through the night rode Paul Revere;
    And so through the night went his cry of alarm
    To every Middlesex village and farm,—
    A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
    A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
    And a word that shall echo for evermore!
    For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
    Through all our history, to the last,
    In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
    The people will waken and listen to hear
    The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
    And the midnight message of Paul Revere.

    Blackburn (2ffb0c)

  2187. That was excellent, Dustin. Thank you. The filters I have been using are picking up several of the the nasty types that like to hyjack your computer, and I haven’t runn into these too often,
    until I began going to twitter while following this story.

    I miss my MAC..

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2188. Morning peril lurks,
    as the huge thread plods along.
    New nasties evolve?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2189. Well, I am a Mac,
    But some call me nasty type,
    So not what you want.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2190. Marco Polo thread,
    Has sure wandered far and wide,
    And gone strange places.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2191. Now two two two two,
    Mac claims this funny number,
    for Haiku mischief.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2192. Lee canceled the radio show 1 minute after it started.

    Interpret that.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2193. Lee started the radio show – and then what? Did he go on just to say there wouldn’t be a show? What was supposed to be on that show? At what message number?

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2194. Number 2100 qritiq: “I think someone up above (somewhere!) in these comments said Wolfson was known to have used some “dirty tricks”-type political propaganda against Weiner in the past.”

    I was the one, or at least one of a few, who mentioned Howard Wolfson’s being involved in possibly blackmailing Anthony Weiner into not running for Mayor in 2009.

    He even maybe did some push polling:

    (Whether it is push polling or not depends on how early it is and how many people get called. If only 500 people get called, it is not push polling, it is polling. This could be the old standard Penn & Schoen type of poll where they search for ideas to include in an ads)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/nyregion/07bloomberg.html?sq=wolfson%20weiner&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=3&adxnnlx=1310934106-BEZ1KIUTPgtrz29y+n8Xng

    (By the way, you see in comments to this and other Weiner stories or New York Times blog posts that had comments that a lot of people didn’t like the idea of Weiner in public office. But they were individuals costing him maybe 10-15% or more of the general election vote, but that’s all. The Republican got 40% of the vote in the last election)

    By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

    Published: April 6, 2009

    The calls came around mid-March, even as Mr. Weiner announced he was not certain he would run for mayor.

    In interviews, several people who received the telephone calls said that they were told when they picked up the phone that a survey was being conducted, but were soon asked a series of questions featuring negative information about Mr. Weiner.

    The questions began benignly enough: Are you registered to vote? Do you plan to vote in the mayoral election? But then they shifted to Mr. Weiner, asking whether the person’s views of Mr. Weiner would be altered if he or she knew of certain problems involving Mr. Weiner, from missing votes in Congress to having difficulty keeping staff to accepting campaign donations from foreign fashion models.

    “At first I thought it was a market research thing,” said Sandra Kane, a 67-year-old registered Democrat from Forest Hills, Queens. “As the questions got more mud-slinging, I said to myself: ‘I’m not hanging up now; I want to see where this is going.’ ”

    Mr. Weiner’s camp alerted The New York Times about the calls…

    …The issues highlighted in the telephone calls closely echoed negative stories that have appeared in city newspapers about Mr. Weiner, and that the congressman’s aides have accused opposition researchers from the Bloomberg campaign of planting.’

    Sometime later, Weiner wrote an op-ed article that claimed in part he might be interested in starting a family and thet might a reason not to run. Most people who thought about this probably assumed he read the polls.

    The New York Times, however, did some reporting a bit later:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/nyregion/12wolfson.html?scp=4&sq=wolfson%20weiner&st=cse

    In About-Face, Wolfson Now Works for Bloomberg

    By JIM RUTENBERG and RAYMOND HERNANDEZ
    Published: July 10, 2009

    “In the city, he is credited in political circles with pressuring Representative Anthony D. Weiner, a Democrat, to quit the mayor’s race……

    Earlier, I was referring to this New York Times article, written sometime after Weiner had dropped out of the race. This article in fact says the stories came from Howard Wolfson:

    Mr. Wolfson claimed his first Democratic scalp in May, as Mr. Weiner — once a close ally in the Clinton campaigns — dropped out of the mayoral race amid a Wolfson-led behind-the-scenes campaign to force him to do just that.

    Working with a local press corps he had cultivated for years, Mr. Wolfson and his team dug up and then pushed a steady stream of politically damaging tidbits about Mr. Weiner, giving the congressman an early taste of what he might face come the fall.

    In one instance, Mr. Wolfson’s team discovered that Mr. Weiner had introduced a bill making it easier for foreign-born fashion models to work in the United States. In New York’s tabloid news culture — one Mr. Wolfson navigates well — the discovery produced unflattering news stories packaged with photographs of the congressman and sultry exotic models.

    No matter that Mr. Weiner was someone Mr. Wolfson dispatched frequently as a surrogate against President Obama during last year’s primaries, or that Mr. Weiner’s fiancée, Huma Abedin, is a confidante of Mrs. Clinton’s whom Mr. Wolfson once considered a friend.

    But Mr. Wolfson said that it was a fair fight and that he relished what he had accomplished. His team commemorated Mr. Weiner’s departure from the race by tacking on a wall in their office a photograph of the congressman in his goalie uniform during a pickup hockey game, with a caption quoting him as saying, “This is not a time for playing games; it’s a time for problem-solving.”

    At that time Wolfson had gone to work for Mike Bloomberg. Who he intended or intends to support in 2013 I wouldn’t know yet.

    Someone else in another thread had a link to a recent New York Post article I didn’t check yet that said that Kevin Sheekey (Wolfson’s colleague
    boss or substitute at Bloomberg’s campaign) knew of something about Weiner – and that seemed to refer top the old college pictures that surfaced at the end..

    The question of course is, was what they put in the paper the whole story? Or was Weiner with exposure of something else that didn’t make the paper because it couldn’t be verified?

    Also – what was it that caused Anthony Weiner to confess something to Huma Abedin? Did he have a reason at that time to tell her about sending certain kinds of pictures to some women he connected with through the Internet? Weiner went back 3 years, though – to 2008, in his claim of
    6 women since.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2195. We know he’s a Dem but is he acting on his own or at someone else’s direction/employ?

    DRJ (fdd243)

  2196. From aanewz blogspot,

    Neal’s apparently documenting the blogger spat.

    This public row fits precisely with what @JohnReid9 seemed to want to happen on June 21 before he released any of the Nikki documents.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2197. twenty two thirty
    colonel feel kinda dirty
    thirty one more fun?

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2198. colonel’s haikus suck
    he not having any luck
    dem ol’ haiku blues

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2199. Another compadre in my down- with- twitter campaign! The great Matt Labash. Heh.

    Here’s a cross-section from The Atlantic’s “Top 100 Figures in American History”: Herman Melville, Ernest Hemingway, Louis Armstrong, Lewis and Clark, Babe Ruth, Frederick Douglass, Jonas Salk, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Albert Einstein, Alexander Graham Bell, Mark Twain, Theodore Roosevelt, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison. All of them managed to do what they did without any assistance from Twitter.

    Now here’s a cross-section of Twitter’s Top 100 Most Followed: Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber, Kim Kardashian, Ashton Kutcher, Ryan Seacrest, Charlie Sheen, Perez Hilton, Khloe Kardashian, Chris Brown, Soulja Boy, Kourtney Kardashian.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/13/ask-matt-labash-the-social-media-scourge-embracing-the-new-dumbness-and-keeping-america-mediocre/

    elissa (d8ad26)

  2200. 2230. Koam, I think you’re giving puppets too much credit. How did Reid9 “precisely” want this? And then, how did he engineer it? I’m afraid that people are making the puppet(s) larger-than-life and endowing them with superhuman powers. After all, a fight between two bloggers breaks out every 27 seconds anyhow.

    Most of the motives of suspects mentioned aren’t so controversial. But lacking evidence, most of it becomes parlor chat.

    I am guessing that several people know at this point whether JGMA is in fact a real person who took screenwriting classes. That seems to be the biggest missing piece.

    Jen, Patrick, Lee…? The audience is starting to get unruly. Would you throw out a few Reeses Pieces?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2201. If Reeses Pieces aren’t available, M&M’s are good, too…

    Sue (24e46b)

  2202. Nikki is/was 16..

    Did anyone else notice there was more than one adult after Nikki? Both male and female were in pursuit.

    It’s a police and FBI investigation now, and it seems there are several who wish to pressure the story to break.

    I say, let that part of story take it’s own course.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2203. Nikki is/was 16..

    Did anyone else notice there was more than one adult after Nikki? Both male and female were in pursuit.

    It’s a police and FBI investigation now, and it seems there are several who wish to pressure the story to break.

    I say, let that part of story take it’s own course.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2204. Sorry for the double post. I’m not what I did to cause it…

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2205. ok I read all the comments and

    hah just kidding

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2206. Hi, Mr. Feets!

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  2207. 2234 jeffeneff

    Prior to any documents being released, JR9 was focused on dividing the bloggers, on who would be jealous, and who was asking him separately (per JR9) to get access. We were told countless times not to share anything with Lee, specifically, or others. I had no idea why any of that was important to JR9, but it was clearly his focus. I didn’t say it was engineered, but it in retrospect, it seems JR9 had an understanding of the personalities and histories involved. Perhaps he pushed other buttons since then to drive up the rivalry and suspicions. Nothing would stop him from being a commenter here.

    As for JGMA being a real person who attended at least one of Lew Hunter’s writing retreats, that seems verified by the accounts of Lee and actions of Preston and her intern.

    I don’t know why Preston would have Lee’s radio show edited to remove the comments about JGMA’s alleged condition if she weren’t real. We understand that a JGMA went to the police and that they went to her home to interview her. Presumably BPD would go to some effort to verify that they are talking to a real person. We heard that the PBD’s Detective Thornton was also given Lew’s name for verification.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2208. It’s interesting how the Wiener pattern is not unlike David Garrow’s rather apologetic review of
    Sallh Jacob’s bio of Barack Obama Sr. in the Washington Post, where his many personal and professional foibles are excused in some way

    ian cormac (d380ce)

  2209. From the beginning, Patterico has focused on the possibility a crime was committed. It was even clear,that on having aquired some of the evidence, that Patterico was attempting to convince JR that he should pursue a criminal case. Given Patterico’s occupation, I doubt Pat would have continued with the story had the facts not supported his professional knowledge.

    As to wether JR is a real person, or an activist
    operative, has still not been clearly established to those of us in comment land. But, I still doubt that Patterico would have continued pursuit of JR if he felt it was all a game. He probably sees these games eevery working day of his life.

    If there is a true criminal case to be made, it wouldn’t be too difficult to imagine parties of all stripes wanting to know, and I’m sure there is tremendous pressure on those with first hand knowledge of the facts.

    Nothing in today’s twitter exchanges suggests anything else concerning JR.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2210. howdy Mr. nephew

    hey if someone wanted to buy the indie film rights to this thread how much you think they’d go for?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2211. 2243 cap’n

    What crimes do you think are related to JohnReid9?

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2212. Well, Mr. Feets, that would depend on which plot they wish to purchase.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2213. 1243 Comment by cap’n john’s nephew — 7/17/2011 @ 8:25 pm

    Pat’s plan was to get JR9 to give Pat as many documents as possible.

    The strategy was to accept JR9’s representations that JR9 was a person and not a sockpuppet.

    Its my opinion that JR9, Nikki, and several others are sockpuppets controlled by one person. Other sockpuppets may be controlled by others.

    slp (347e33)

  2214. 2247 slp

    The strategy was to publish all documents without editing and to not declare whether JR9 was the real person he claimed to be. Rather, the readers were free to comment on who they thought JR9 is and what his motives were — and they certainly did.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2215. slp,

    I’ve considered that, but what good are documents from a sock going to do in a court case? The judge would likely die from hysterics. I still doubt Patterico would have continued pursuit under those conditions.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2216. I acknowledge the sock theory to be plausable, but after all the years I’ve been reading Patterico, I know Pat just doesn’t have time to waste, and wouldn’t if he felt there was good reason to pursue the matter.

    cap'n john's nephew (28dda5)

  2217. I’m beginning to get sick and tired of all jews being maligned by the actions of Anthony Weiner and wealthy jewish leftys.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2218. koam @wittier – I’m very curious why Lee has not published anything from the Boston police report yet, especially given his claim that JG MA gave them Lew Hunter’s name for some reason.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2219. Mr. Feets – I hope you did not skip over the comments where we were talking about you in this thread. I forget where those were.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2220. 2243 2246 2251 cap’n

    Obtaining the Nikki documents from JR9 was a publishing coup for a blogger. Pat certainly wanted them, as did other bloggers.

    The value of showing the Nikki documents (DMs and emails with other key players in the case) is on its face reason enough to want to have them.

    One doesn’t have to imagine an ill-defined court case to want to publish these documents.

    When you write that Pat wanted to convince JR9 to pursue a criminal case, what crime? Did something happen to Nikki that would be a crime? When you’re asked about this assertion, why do you joke and become more vague rather than just say what you mean? I don’t get it.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2221. 2251 cap’n

    If Rep Anthony Weiner had sent emails or DMs to Nikki, sock or not, that’s news. Same goes for GC, GL, etc.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2222. Let’s suppose JR is actually an activist operative who had multiple socks to create a steath environment to operate out of, who’s mission was to punk the conservatives. Probable in this day and age. Certainly outing that sock patrol would be of some amusement and interest to those of us who are conservative, but beyond that, why would an excellent ADA waste so much of his time with it? There has to be better reason.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2223. Sorry Koam, I missed your previous question.

    Yes, presuming JR and Nikki to be real. I certainly recall one of the adult players grooming an underage girl. Thought that proetty clear from some of the tweats. No idea what Patrick may have.

    I’ll give you the blog scoop scenerio. It certainly worked.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2224. Koam, I can’t find those tweets in this mess, but that particular adult was not as heavily discussed..

    I saw it, wondered if others had, but everybody was intensly discussing something else.

    I’ll see if I can find the time to dig for it tomorrow. Goodnight

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2225. Koam,

    I spent some time going through the thread this morning. It does not contain the imformation I discussed last evening. It was probably on the
    previous thread. I have to go, but will search the archives when I have time.

    Anyway, I’m sure you have them indexed. Take a good look at the content of the communications between Nikki/starchild and the other adults.
    The implications of some of the conversations with one of the people should jump out at you.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  2226. 2241:

    Prior to any documents being released, JR9 was focused on dividing the bloggers, on who would be jealous, and who was asking him separately (per JR9) to get access. We were told countless times not to share anything with Lee, specifically, or others. I had no idea why any of that was important to JR9,

    Logically, that would be because he was telling different lies to different people.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2227. The strategy was to accept JR9′s representations that JR9 was a person and not a sockpuppet.

    Not correct.

    The strategy was to publish all documents without editing and to not declare whether JR9 was the real person he claimed to be.

    Correct.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2228. 2241 koam @wittier: ‘As for JGMA being a real person who attended at least one of Lew Hunter’s writing retreats, that seems verified by the accounts of Lee and actions of Preston and her intern.’

    The question Patterico has is not whether or not JG MA is a real person, but is JG MA one – or two – real persons.

    We have at least 3 encounters with JG MA:

    1) The person who spoke to Lee Stranahan and Jennifer Preston.

    2) The person who went to Nebraska to attend one of Lew Hunter’s retreats.

    (It is possible her story did not completely add up, or she changed details from time to time – and therefore people thought she had some kind of mental problems, and JG MA wanted that clue removed both from Adam Shriver’s STLA post and from the recording of Lee Stranahan’s radio show.)

    3) The person who filed the complaint with the Boston police.

    1 & 2 – if the professor identified her as being from Massachusetts, and /or in some other way established that she is the same person who talked to Lee Stranahan and Jennifer Preston – are probably the same person.

    Jennifer Preston thought the professor must be lying – and therefore must not be a real professor – because some of the details he told her about Jennifer George didn’t jibe with what she heard from the Jennifer George she talked to.

    It is quite possible that in Nebraska, JGMA appropriated some details from the life of JG CA – without actually attempting a full scale impersonation. She only wanted to steal her resume, and only for people who wouldn’t do detailed checking. She was not attempting to use her credit.

    It was very important to JGMA that anything that might give people the idea she was other than truthful at any time – and especially in Nebraska – be removed from the web.

    Encounter number 3 might very well be different from 1&2 but they are highly likely to be connected in some way and know each other.

    In other words, the unified sock theory, if not the unisock theory.

    The name “Jennifer George” is likely an alias, although not one very recently adopted. JGMA may have first found JGCA and then attended the class.

    JGMA almost certainly later knew about JGCA because she pretended to be from California. Why not New Hampshire or Vermont, or New York or Pennsylvania if she’s just scared? No, she knew Lee Stranahan had located a JGCA.

    The purpose of the call was to persuade him and
    others that the name Jennifer George would not be a lead to whoever was using the starchild111 account in March April and May 2011. Therefore she admitted starting it but claimed she abandoned it and had no idea who might have been using it later in 2011. Therefore the name “Jennifer George” is a dead end.

    Except of course, it’s almost certainly not a dead end, although one very difficult to follow up on until some other piece of information falls into your hands.

    JGMA didn’t originally intend to talk to anyone else other than Lee Stranahan but she had to call Jennifer Preston since she couldn’t refuse to make the call, or Lee would ignore her entirely.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2229. It is impossible to imagine the starchild111 sting being made against Anthony Weiner – it was against Anthony Weiner but whoever did it was no friend of Bereitbart – unless SOCKREID had some kind of inside information about Anthony Weiner. Now there was no record of Weiner doing anything with girls under 18, but perhaps he did not carefully avoid them. Nikki was made 16 because anything older
    would not have been guaranteed to be a big scandal.

    The inside information probably did not come from jilted lover. Whereever it did come from it as very important to SOCKREID – and his boss, the RED BARON – to hide where the information came from and who was doing this. This might indicate an illegal source.

    Now some thing were known to some people.

    From the 2004 Almanac of American Politics published I think some time early in 2003: (end of the article on the 9th CD of NY)

    “..Weiner’s options for political advancement seem limited for the next several years, but he has not discouraged the notion that he is a hot political commodity–perhaps, even, a candidate for Mayor some day [he ran in 2005, and barely qualified for the runoff, getting just over 40% of the vote in the Democratic primary, but then pulled out – wait http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/17/nyregion/metrocampaigns/17runoff.html?sq=weiner%202005%20runoff&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=9&adxnnlx=1311001023-4OUbBReQusp6SPIPK/qEPA – he actually stopped the vote count at a point where Ferrer was ahead]

    Back to the Almanac of American Politics 2004:

    “Weiner learned that the media spotlight also can bite the hand that feeds it. An article in Vanity Fair described Weiner’s night out with some Democratic colleagues at the Capital Grill on Pennsylvania Avenue when they invited three young women to join their table. One of them claimed that Weiner the next day identified himself in an email after having told her at the restaurant that he was an auto parts salesman. Other than some good-time photographs taken at the restaurant, the story identified no apparent evidence of misconduct.”

    Well, it did identify him as a liar, although it’s not clear why he told that lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2230. 2263 Sammy

    Thanks for the 3-encounters with JGMA intro.

    You wrote:

    JG MA wanted that clue removed

    I recall that Preston wanted that assertion removed from Lee’s radio show. Lee quotes JP as saying “you can’t have that up there” (paraphrase).

    Conjecture: Lew said this to JP in confidence & JP said this to Lee in confidence, and Lee said it on the radio. JP wanted it removed so that she couldn’t be sued by JGMA and/or Lew or to protect her sources for statements that may have been made off the record.

    Two questions on this first part:

    1) What’s the evidence that JGMA is the one who wanted that quote removed from Lee’s radio show podcast?

    2) Can you please refresh my memory about what clue was on Adam’s STLAH post regarding JGMA? I don’t see how Adam’s updates here relate specifically to JGMA or what Lew may have said about her to JP as Adam’s original post was related to his alleged (and suspicious) “discovery” of the full name Jennifer George. I’m not understanding that part.

    Thanks.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2231. “JGMA didn’t originally intend to talk to anyone else other than Lee Stranahan but she had to call Jennifer Preston since she couldn’t refuse to make the call, or Lee would ignore her entirely.”

    Sammy – Some JGMA filed a complaint with the Boston PD. Lee contends it is the same JGMA who called him. How does that fit with your theory?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2232. 2263 Sammy

    I think the connection to JGCA is purely in Lee’s mind. We don’t have any evidence whether or not JGMA ever went to UCLA. She told Lee she did. It’s summer. She can be from MA and go to UCLA during the regular school year. Just because Lee says that half the things JGMA says are lies doesn’t make that true. Lee has demonstrated that his definition of a lie or truth isn’t shared by everyone. We also don’t have any evidence whether or not JGCA had anything to do with Lew Hunter. JGCA went to and worked at UCLA. Lew teaches a course in the winter at UCLA. UCLA has thousands in faculty. Most students at UCLA probably meet only 1% of the faculty. Coincidence. JGCA did not work in any capacity that’s related to Lew’s department and there’s nothing that I’ve found in her past that is related to screenwriting, which is Lew’s area at UCLA.

    JGCA’s connection to this is whole thing is in Lee’s mind. He may have gotten the name of JGCA from JP or her intern, or they both may have landed on her because she simply had one of the more complete and transparent online backgrounds of anyone who fit the name. Lee was intently focused on her job at Reason Magazine (which was in fundraising) – and he was mistaken.

    I still maintain that nothing that JGMA told Lee or Preston indicates that she was pretending to be JGCA. JGCA is a decade older than JGMA, allegedly. JGCA does not even live in LA anymore and hasn’t been a student at UCLA for over a decade. For JGMA to select a woman who coincidentally has the same name who went to UCLA when JGMA was in 7th grade, makes it clear to me that JGMA wasn’t trying to point Lee to JGCA. JGMA giving out the name Lew Hunter in no way pointed anyone to JGCA, except for Lee who doesn’t really look at the details (UCLA is HUGE). It seems that the UCLA coincidence was proof enough for him.

    Huge school + common name = coincidence.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2233. Anthony Weiner and government are the problem and don’t answer to the people although these opponents of privatization say the government does.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2234. Koam, your 2267 makes as much sense as anything I’ve read.

    Dianna (5bc608)

  2235. 2267 SPQR

    Thanks. I commented.

    There’s a history of some tweets between @kausmickey @nyt_jenpreston on this. Kaus found that Preston’s slant on the story that alleged socks were only anti-Weiner was unproven. Importantly, the broader media certainly picked up on Preston’s lede – that this part of the story is about “anti-Weiner right-wing operatives” and that is how all the headlines went in thousands of media pickups in the days after Preston’s articles.

    Patterico exposed that slant in an important pair of blog posts.

    Patterico: Questions for NYT’s Jen Preston & Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher

    Patterico: “Journalists” Christopher and Preston finally admit they don’t know a thing

    Preston admitted that she really doesn’t know who’s behind this all and that their motivations or leanings are unclear. She allegedly told her intern that they were possibly dealing with dangerous dem operatives and to not engage them. Lee says she intimated similar concerns to him. Those parts of it didn’t make it to the NYT.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2236. koam @wittier – I have not seen Jen Preston advance the jilted lover/sexter theory, but then again I have not followed everything she has written.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2237. 2272 daleyrocks

    I haven’t seen JP promote that theory either. Lee says that a liberal woman is behind that – so possibly of no interest to NYT.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2238. “so possibly of no interest to NYT.”

    koam @wittier – Heh. Not unless they are forced into covering it if it pans out and they can find the room given all the competing demands for space in that rag and even then the political leanings of the individual will be buried or not mentioned at all.

    Let’s play Name That Party!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2239. 2226: thanks for Wolfson info Sammy, very interesting!

    2263:

    The purpose of the call was to persuade him and others that the name Jennifer George would not be a lead to whoever was using the starchild111 account in March April and May 2011. Therefore she admitted starting it but claimed she abandoned it and had no idea who might have been using it later in 2011. Therefore the name “Jennifer George” is a dead end.

    Except of course, it’s almost certainly not a dead end…

    yes you’re right – and someone was trying (hard) to impersonate JGCA

    also, imo, It was ultimately the Dems (Obama, Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz, etc.) that were responsible for the endgame demise of AW

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2240. 2265:

    I wrote: JG MA wanted that clue removed

    Koam: I recall that Preston wanted that assertion removed from Lee’s radio show. Lee quotes JP as saying “you can’t have that up there” (paraphrase).

    Koam: 1) What’s the evidence that JGMA is the one who wanted that quote removed from Lee’s radio show podcast?

    That’s something I should have tried to get straight. What was the thing exactly that was removed? Who complained? Was taht actually soemthing that said JGCA had started starchild111? This may be wrong.

    Koam: 2) Can you please refresh my memory about what clue was on Adam’s STLAH post regarding JGMA? I don’t see how Adam’s updates here relate specifically to JGMA or what Lew may have said about her to JP as Adam’s original post was related to his alleged (and suspicious) “discovery” of the full name Jennifer George. I’m not understanding that part.

    Looking at it, actually what might have been removed (in both cases) was something proclaiming that JGCA might be the originator of the starchild111 account.

    It says there:

    “Update: I’ve removed a little bit of information that singles out particular individuals (though I should note that I never provided any information that would allow anyone to be directly contacted)..

    Somewhere I read something about JGMA being “unstable” or whatever and that was not to be repeated. These two things may have nothing to do with it.

    Did JGMA complain about that on the phone call?

    Jennifer George CA writes to Jennifer Preston on June 26:

    http://www.jennifergeorge.com/weiner.html

    “I’m not sure if you’ve seen it, but commenters on at least one site are now talking about approaching one of their targets directly, in person. It appears someone has contacted one of her professors about her. She has been identified by name and publicly described as “unstable,” and people are speculating about her love life.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2241. 2276 Sammy

    1)
    On his radio show, Lee said, that Preston said, that Lew said that JGMA might have (and I don’t have the exact wording) troubles (you know what is meant there).

    On a later show (next day, I think), Lee said that Preston said, “Lee, you can’t have that up there” and Preston asked Lee to remove that comment from the audio record. Lee said that he said to Preston, “I don’t know if I know how to do that.” Lee said that Preston said, “well I know the CEO of Blog Talk Radio (Alan Levy) and I can have it done.” Lee said that Preston then called Levy. Lee said that Levy then called Lee and asked for Lee’s password. Lee said he would comply with the deletion but didn’t think it was necessary. Lee said that Levy then had the comments removed from the audio of the prior day’s radio show. Lee detailed all of this on his radio show. Lee said that he knew it would piss Preston off to tell these stories (and as a listener, it was easy to know that would be a problem for Lee) and he also reported that he spent a day being yelled at because of it.

    All these quotes are my memory of Lee’s radio shows and are paraphrases. For exact wording, you can go listen to a couple hours of radio. Lee tells a good story so it might be fun to listen to. I have also written up parts of these shows in prior comments on this and other threads. So there are other sources… but this is the gist, but not exact wording by any means.

    2)
    JGCA, who it was never reasonable to assume was involved, commented on the targeting of JGMA at a later date.

    3)
    JGMA couldn’t have complained about that assertion on the call to Lee as the calls to Lew only happened in subsequent days. According to Lee, JGMA said that she called Lee in fear for her life after receiving 2 threatening calls.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2242. An early Weinergate chronology:

    http://readcontentus.wedia.fr/extractor/extract.html?url=mailto%3Agbeato%40soundbitten.com

    Excerpts:

    08/14/10: The Twitter account for the entity known as Starchild111 dates to at least 08/14/10.

    At this point, the name associated with the account is “Jenay.” Eventually it will change to ostensible high school student “Nikki Reid.” (Source: Screen-cap.)

    [link gone by now]

    Notes: Starchild111’s first follow is the UCLA Extension Writers Program, which tweets stuff like “Tip of the day: ‘Writing teen dialogue can be tricky business…'” She’s also following Oprah, several members of the Kardashian clan, an inspirational website called TheDailyLove.com, Jennifer Lopez, a Jennifer Lopez fan site, and an actress/model, Natalie Martinez, who serves as the spokesmodel for Lopez’ JLo clothing line.

    This cache shows seven tweets. Four are directed at Natalie Martinez (whose former Twitter handle was @Goldnd12), and two go to the Lopez fansite.

    These tweets are characterized by a combination of flattery (“am a fan!” “you are very talented.” “u are also so glamorous!”) and some kind of request for more information. (“do u have a facebook page?” “could you message me?”)

    While Starchild111 claims to be a “huge fan” of Martinez’, she simultaneously asks Martinez if she has a Facebook page or a Web page.

    Presumably, this is information a “huge fan” would already know.

    Finally, there’s Starchild111’s tweet to the Kardashian sisters, wherein she asks them about a makeup organizer they use on the show. Web searches show that this makeup organizer is a highly sought-after product that has inspired numerous knockoffs.

    Given that Starchild111 consistently asks questions that she could have easily answered herself with a quick Google search, one can’t help but wonder: In her initial incarnation, is Starchild111 some kind of SEO-oriented spambot created to generate Google-food?
    ———————-

    [Presumably not this Google Food: http://www.grimmthething.com/other/cse/googlefood.html Note: It’s not real.]

    SEO stands for Search Engine Optimization.
    Maybe not for Google, but for Twitter follower counts?

    ———————–

    Back to the chronology:

    04/06/11: On this date, Starchild111’s Twitter profile page includes no name other than Starchild, no location information, and no bio. (Source: Google cache of Twitter)

    Notes: This snapshot shows that she has a total of seven tweets. She’s following 26 people, and Ginger Lee is her most recent follow. The earlier screencap of her page, dated 01/01/2011, also showed a total of seven tweets. Given her tweets to Ginger Lee, she should have more now — or has she already started deleting tweets?

    Of the ten new people that Starchild111 is following, nine are somehow connected to the band Guns N’ Roses. (Ginger Lee is the exception.)

    There’s been some conjecture about how many high-school girls in the year 2011 are huge GNR fans, but here’s an important point to remember.

    Starchild111 is not explicitly a high-school girl yet. She’s just a self-described Weiner fan, and her profile isn’t necessarily designed yet to authenticate her status as a HS girl who lives in LA.

    Still, these new GNR follows may be serving purpose: Guess who puts GNR on his mix tapes?

    [http://readcontentus.wedia.fr/extractor/extract.html?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wnyc.org%2Farticles%2Fwnyc-news%2F2005%2Faug%2F23%2Fa-day-in-the-life-anthony-weiner%2F – Tuesday, August 23, 2005

    REPORTER: He’s in a good mood — happy with the striking full-moon that hovers just above the Brooklyn Bridge and with a CD mix that includes R.E.M. and Guns n’Roses…]

    Prudence Paine analyzes Starchild111’s evolving Twitter profile here.

    [This links to a ReadContent page. The origina is at: http://prudencepaine.com/2011/06/29/for-weinergate-addicts-only/ but the screencaps are more legible at Read Content]

    From the apparently crucial May 16 date:

    05/16/11: At 1:18 am, Gennette Cordova DMs the following message to Starchild111: “Hey did you say one of your friends was [Ethel]?” Then, in a subsequent DM, she writes, “Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.”

    Starchild111 replies in some fashion, then Cordova writes, “Yeah! It is. I love him. Just ask. Maybe he will, who knows? Haha. I think I’m gonna hit the sack. I have an early class. Lame:” Then, in a subsequent DM, “Oh, I just looked. He’s doing this hashtag thing and following people I guess? Idk. I never asked him to follow me.” (Source: Patterico.com)

    Notes: Missing here, of course, are Starchild111’s replies. Note that it’s Starchild111 who explicitly identifies Weiner by name; Cordova never actually says Weiner’s name in any of their exchanges. Note, based on Cordova’s response that includes the phrase, “Just ask,” that it is Starchild111 who has brought up the subject if she should try to follow Weiner.

    05/16/11: At 2:29 am, Starchild111 tweets, “@RepWeiner i’m kind of shy to ask this but i’ve been a fan for a while will u follow me? #WeinerYes” (Source: CSPAN Twitter feed)

    Notes: Another cache of this tweet, at Google, is time-stamped May 15, 11:29 pm. The three-hour difference reflects EDT versus PDT. That is, when it’s May 16 2:29 am on the east coast, it’s still May 15 11:29 on the west coast, where Starchild111 ostensibly is.

    But what is the 1:18 AM time-stamp on the Cordova DM — PDT or EDT?

    If Starchild111’s account is stamping Cordova’s DM as being received at 1:18 AM PDT, Starchild111 has already asked Weiner for a follow before this conversation takes place.

    If Starchild111’s account is stamping Cordova’s DM as being received at 1:18 EDT, then presumably their conversation takes place before Starchild111 asks Weiner for a follow. But why is a girl who lives in LA using EDT on her Twitter account?

    Also note that the Google cache shows Starchild111 is using her hot girl avatar when tweeting her request to Weiner.

    05/16/11: At 8:46 am, PatriotUSA76 tweets, “There could be some great fun on the agenda today…” (Source: Google Twitter cache)

    05/16/11: Weiner starts following Starchild111. Between 9:03 am and 10:26 am, he allegedly sends her 17 DMs. In them, he makes references to “Republican trolls” and encourages Starchild111 to recruit more Twitter followers for him. (Source: Patterico.com)

    Notes: These messages from Weiner have not been confirmed as genuine.

    05/16/11: At 11:49 am, Starchild111 tweets, “@RepWeiner Thank you so much @GennetteNicole!!!” (Source:CSPAN Twitter feed)

    05/16/11: At 12:21 pm, Goatsred tweets, “@repweiner #YesWeiner.” Eight minutes later, he realizes he mixed up the hashtag and tweets again, sending the message, “@repweiner #WeinerYes.” (Sources: Twitter, Twitter)

    05/16/11: Starchild111 tweets that Weiner is following her on Twitter, announces campaign to get him to be her prom date. One of her tweets: “Follow the best progressive Congressman @RepWeiner he is a democrat who fights for us & against Republican trolls!” (Source: Patterico.com)

    05/16/11: At 1:21 pm, Patriotusa76 tweets: “RT Starchild111 Please tweet and follow @RepWeiner & tell him to be my prom date>>Poor girl. We should warn her.” (Source: Daily Dose)

    05/16/11: At 3:42pm, PatriotUSA75 tweets, “Well we have a good deed planned. Really we do” (Source: Google Twitter cache)

    05/16/11: At some point in this day, Gennette Cordova exchanges more DMs with Starchild111. A screen-capture at Patterico.com documents three of them, time-stamped 10:47, 10:51, and 11:04, but it’s not clear if it’s AM or PM. In these DMs, Cordova talks about things she’s said to Weiner, including that she’s been “pretty obsessed with him,” that he’s “[her] idea of a perfect man,” that he “looked cute” on Rachel Maddow’s MSNBC show. (Source: Patterico.com)

    Notes: Cordova says in the comments section at Patterico.com that she believed Starchild111 was “fake” at this point, and that the exchanges she described with Weiner didn’t actually take place. Instead, she suggests, she was trying to “bait” Starchild111 with these statements.

    ***

    05/17/11: Four members of the BornFreeCrew tweet messages to Starchild111, telling her that he is “not as good as you think” and that they have “proof of what he does & worry,” and that there are “many incidents that we know of that he’s been involved in.” (Source: Google cache of Twitter)

    ***

    05/18/11: MikeMadden59 tweets “@Goatsred Did that thing ever surface? I gotta go to work. Check back later MUCH later.” Goatsred replies, “@mikemadden59 Not yet. You will know ahead of time when it does. Promise. Talk later.” (Source: Twitter, Twitter)

    Notes: When I showed Goatsred these tweets, he commented, via DM: “The Mike M thing was because we already talked about the rumor and I had no idea that it was on Patriots agenda.I just cont.to f-around”

    05/18/11: A Twitter user named Frankiethadog begins to retweet some of Goatsred’s tweets. (Source: Twitter)

    Notes: What is Frankiethadog’s intent? The tweets that it retweets are not ones that anyone would typically rebroadcast as they don’t immediate appeal to a wider audience. Was the account set up as a surveillance device to monitor the online behavior of Goatsred or, more generally, the BornFreeCrew? Tweetgrader shows that it was created on 01/08/10, more than a year before it begins retweeting Goatsred tweets.

    05/18/11: Weiner emails Broussard grey underwear photo (2:14 pm), then talks with her on the phone (3:36 pm). Broussard sends four photos of herself to Weiner between 3:45 pm and 4:08 pm. Weiner emails erect penis photo to Broussard at 4:15 pm. Broussard emails photos of herself at 8:31 pm and 9:32 pm. (Source: ABC News)

    05/18/11: An associate of Broussard’s contacts Breitbart about Broussard’s exchanges with Weiner. (Source: Lee Stranahan Blog Talk Radio show)

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2243. New York Post “Page 6” article: d. 6/22/11):

    Last Updated: 12:32 AM, June 22, 2011

    Posted: 12:07 AM, June 22, 2011

    Mayor Bloomberg’s former deputy mayor Kevin Sheekey has been boasting in political circles that he’s been onto Anthony Weiner’s kinky ways since he was a City Council member. Insiders said Sheekey claims he used the intel to discourage Weiner, who was elected to the Council in 1991, before he became a congressman, from running for the Democratic mayoral nomination in 2009. One said, “He told Weiner he knew about him and if he ran he would make it public.” Weiner’s rep declined to comment. A rep for Bloomberg LP, where Sheekey now works, said, “Untrue.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/early_warning_YxeBHLXpLe8Awb67RnbIjI#ixzz1SVH5ubAw

    It wasn’t Sheekey, apparently, it was Wolfson.

    The pictured is captioned Kevin Sheeky with only 2 E’s in the name.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2244. 2263 Sammy

    I made an error a few times in this thread, both earlier and recently. JGCA graduated UCLA 2 decades ago, not 1.

    JGCA Resume

    JGMA, who is in her early 20s, was not pretending to be a woman in her 40s who graduated UCLA 20 years ago by telling Lee she was currently an undergrad at UCLA.

    JGMA wasn’t trying to fool anyone into thinking she was JGCA.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2245. Wittier,

    No but the woman that called Lee and JP claimed to have grown up in MA for a few years and then moved to CA when she was 8-10 and that she lived in CA when she called them lsat month.

    So maybe we really have three (3) Jennifer Georges.

    1. Real one that tweets, went to UCLA many years ago, may have also worked at UCLA, since on is listed on the staff and holds a bachelor’s degree in English from UCLA.

    2. Real on that filed police report in MA and may hvae attended writting retreats with Prof. Hunter.

    3. Fake once that called Lee and JP and blended the history of two unrelated JGs.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  2246. 2280 Joe

    JGMA who called Lee did say she was in LA. She also said she was afraid that people were coming to kill her that day. So it seems unlikely that she’d call the man she thinks might be involved and give her correct location during the first call.

    Lee has the crying and extremely scared JGMA call Preston to demonstrate that he’s not a killer. In fact, he has friends who are reporters at NYT. Lee was using Preston like JGMA used Hunter – as a credentialed, well-known reference.

    There’s no evidence that the JGMA who called Lee and talked to Preston was in any way pointing them toward JGCA. That idea is just silly, given that JGCA is 40+ and hasn’t been a UCLA student for 20 years. Did JGMA think she’d fool a NYT reporter by saying she’s currently a UCLA student by pretending to be a woman with whom she shares a common name and who graduated from that school when the caller was an infant? Hunter was going to verify that JGMA was 20-ish not 40-ish.

    If 2 and 3 are different people, then 3 was pretending to be 2 and not 1.

    JGCA was already in Lee’s head at the moment JGMA called. So his confusion about the details, his firm belief in the moment that it was JGCA who was calling him, combined with his persistent belief that he had this all figured out before anyone else, led to a lot of confusion for everyone.

    JGCA is not involved, never should have been considered, and was not the object of misdirection by anyone else claiming to be JG.

    koam @wittier (1fd5aa)

  2247. JGMA was trying to impersonate JGCA:

    1. by telling Lee she was in the UCLA directory when it is JGCA who is in the UCLA directory.

    2. by telling Lee she lived in CA

    3. and don’t forget the comment at STLAH impersonating JGCA

    I wonder if JGCA would have a legal case against JGMA.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2248. Yeah, I was reflecting on those searches and arrests myself, Koam.

    Can’t find much specific on the FBI’s website. But damn there are a lot of hustlers in this country. Jeez. Reading through their local press releases is not inspiring my faith in anybody.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2249. Neal seems to be threatening me here. Comparing himself to a gang member and saying I am calling him out on his street? His evidence? Some guy named PeterPavel1, who is totally unknown to me and acting wholly without any direction from me — but whose actions apparently make Neal feel justified in threatening me with some kind of Internet harassment.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2250. rauschnauzer throw down
    lil’ puppet? he lil’ sissy
    insane in membrane

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2251. colonel got a date
    with twenty two eighty eight
    he just can’t be late

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2252. There is some discussion of Neal’s threat to Patterico in this thread.

    I don’t know what about Patterico so infuriates Neal.

    Brett probably worked with Ron B, and now he’s working with Neal R. Maybe he searches for mentally handicapped paranoids and fills their heads with all the evil things he can come up with?

    Whatever reason Neal has to justify his behavior, he hasn’t explained it clearly. I’ve read over his strange blogging, which doesn’t have much of a coherent pattern. He’ll link lulzsec’s torrent with the troops’ passwords. Or he’ll blurt out he’s a hacker. Or he’ll talk about starving Africans. When he talks about Patterico, he asserts some kind of bad deed involving Weiner, but we know Weiner wasn’t hacked. He claims Patterico is working with someone named Seth, and never explains why he says that. He claims Seth is a stalker, but he never shows why he thinks that.

    It’s quite obvious too. It’s not like he’s skipping over little details, or perhaps claiming his assumption is a fact. This isn’t like Lee’s occasional assertion of something as fact that he’s already explained why he believes. This is more jarring. He’ll lay out a case of points that don’t seem to have any basis in reality.

    Either he’s crazy, or he thinks his audience if full of idiots. And either way, he is specifically extremely mad at P. He’s written several pieces showing how he’s obsessed with Patterico, and it’s getting worse.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2253. age like a fine wine
    post twenty two eighty nine?
    don’t think so Mad Dog

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2254. Dustin – I think Neal’s self-described cute butt may have led to some kind of colorful adventure, resulting in his advanced case of Lyme Disease. Some pretty interesting psychological and neurological disorders can result from untreated Lyme Disease, so there’s no telling what our boy Neal is dealing with.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2255. Those Neal pieces get very few comments over there. I wonder if more than a small handful even reads them.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2256. 2291 daleyrocks

    The face has that brain-damaged look.

    Mandy saw the ass & declared it rancid.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2257. 2292. I bet most of his readership is from here.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2258. 2294 jeff
    That’s what I was thinking.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2259. koam @wittier @2293 – I am happy to go with Mandy’s assessment and plan no independent verification of my own.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2260. “Those Neal pieces get very few comments over there. I wonder if more than a small handful even reads them.”

    koam @wittier – Stop. You’re going to hurt Neal’s feelings, if he has any.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2261. oh Mandy you came
    and assessed without taking
    made JD happy

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2262. struggle continues
    but twenty two ninety nine
    fat bastard you’re mine

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2263. and I’m spent…

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2264. 2296 daleyrocks

    I guess she’s not a fan of the dingleberries.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2265. I just wanted to remind y’all, as if you needed this point, but Neal Rauhauser was demanding a photograph of Patterico’s wife.

    This creepy SOB explained how he was working with felon Brett Kimberlin, and then explained he needed to see what Patterico’s wife looked like. For no logical reason. The implication was obvious.

    Koam, I wanted to note that sometimes, Neal does get a lot of comments. Like this one a few months ago where he’s angry that executives at a bank haven’t been fired for the crime of donating their personal money, legally, to elect Governor Scott Walker. ‘When do we get to see their pink slips!’ he demands.

    He’s a thug. There’s really no other word for him. There’s no reasoning with him. He just wants to make life horrible for people who Neal feels aren’t progressive enough.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2266. I don’t know what about Patterico so infuriates Neal.

    Integrity is always a threat to dishonesty. Cockroach, Light, and all that jazz

    Dana (4eca6e)

  2267. This Neal guy gives me the creeps.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2268. “I guess she’s not a fan of the dingleberries.”

    koam @wittier – Prolly. I think they must be an acquired taste. Whenever Neal pull his head out he can look at them up close and personal.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2269. I don’t know how Kos works, but it sort of looks like comment(s) in defense of Pat in response to Stranded Wind have been hidden (by Neal) so that readers there are now only seeing one side of the discussion. I guess if people click the “-” next to the comment it can become hidden. I clicked the “+” (but don’t have a Kos account yet) and it showed a caption that says

    “Recommended by: [blank] Hidden by: Stranded Wind”

    Yesterday, this comment (quoted below in full) from a member, The Scyphers Murder (the moniker is a reference to a Kimberlin case which has been covered by Liberty Chick) appeared below the latest Stranded Wind post which Pat has stated includes a threat. (See comment currently numbered 2286 above.)

    Another regular commenter at Kos has raised the question of whether hiding comments on your own “diary” is against Kos rules.

    Stranded… (0+ / 0-)
    …unless I am mistaken it is contrary to site rules to hide rate in your own diary.

    Oh and I am rather confused about what this is all about so i cannot tell if the HRs are deserved or not.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 03:59:47 AM PDT

    Here’s the full comment below. It includes a mention that TSM’s prior comment(s) may not have shown up after posting. (TSM’s prior post “What did Seth Allen fabricate?” from July 19 comes up as blank.)

    My comment didn’t post! (0+ / 1-)
    I left a comment asking Neal what reason he has to say Seth is responsible for any of this, and listing what I know about Seth, which is that his behavior I’m aware of was to explain to people that Brett Kimberlin is lying when he says he was exonerated of his violent crimes.

    Seth, like me, just wants democrats to know that Brett has screwed lefties repeatedly with lies about consipiracy theories that fall apart at the worst possible time.

    Brett was a drug dealer who claimed he could prove he sold drugs to Dan Quayle. Some of the media ate it up, and then it turned out to be BS. There are books written about Brett, which is why he tries really hard to stay anonymous so he’s not associated with the fact he is a shameless con artist. And what do you expect? He’s never repented for his violent crimes, one of which ultimately killed a man.

    I’m not exaggerating.

    Anyway, I think I’m having computer problems, because my question to Neal as to what info he has beyond Brett’s claims about Seth, or what he means at the end of his post here… that doesn’t seem to be showing up.

    “So, Paddy, you’re a prosecutor in the Los Angeles county gang unit. Would you put on a do-rag, baggy pants, and walk down Western Ave at midnight, hollerin’ at random gang bangers? If the answer is no, do you think it’s wise to try something like that on my street?

    You, sir, are a lulzcow, and if you carry on in this fashion someone will notice and decide to milk you. ~cough~ beandogs ~cough~”

    This is a threat, Neal. You are saying if Patterico carries on his whatever fashion, your ‘beandogs’ link will happen to him. But I just don’t see what Patterico’s done to you to justify that.

    Sure, you disagree with him about politics for the most part. A lot of people do, on left and right. The right says he’s too moderate and too nice about Obama or gay marriage or whatever. The left says he’s too conservative basically about everything.

    But you’re acting like you think Patterico is a lot worse. Can you explain that to me? I’ve never seen much of a case made against him or Seth. You just repeat what I assume Brett Kimberlin is telling you, with no evidence.

    And now you’re so convinced, you’re taking it to this level of promising some kind of harassment response as you linked between ‘coughs’.

    before you do something like that, I want you to carefully think about your reasoning up to this point. Sure, maybe emotionally you’re sure everything Brett is telling you is true and urgent. Sure. A lot of other people he conned said that too.

    Can you lay out your justification for being this mad at Patterico in a way that convinces the public you’re justified in promising these beandogs activities?

    I’m trying to hear your case. If you’re relying on Brett, do you realize that guy is capable of this: http://www.indystar.com/

    I hope my comment is posting. I’m not sure what the problem is. I’ll check later and try again if it doesn’t work this time.

    by The Scyphers Murder on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 03:52:36 PM PDT

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2270. 2306 koam @wittier

    Update: a few minutes ago, the link to the comment quoted in full above would show you that comment… Now it’s showing up as a blank screen.

    (Yes, I know who I sound like.) I realize sometimes links stop working temporarily for no good reason.

    Earlier the comment was hidden in the original Stranded Wind comments thread. Now, it shows up as a blank page when you click on it from The Scyphers Murder member page.

    So if I’m not understanding how it works at Kos, please let me know.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2271. Five prior comments in defense of Pat by The Scyphers Murder at Kos are currently still there.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2272. An open letter to Dan Wolfe: http://wp.me/p6l52-fr

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2273. qritiq – What makes you assume there is any funding involved or that DW is not who he claims to be?

    Please lay out your case.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2274. qritiq – I would be very easy to write a similar open letter for the Reid socks. Why not put those up as well?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2275. That’s really interesting, Koam. No you don’t sound like Ron at all. No offense intended to him (though I hope he gets better), but you’re showing a clear and specific basis for your concern.

    Yes, Neal is apparently trying to hide those comments. What appears to set him off most is that it’s pointing so directly at the fact his claims have no basis. He’s smearing innocent people.

    Brett sued his detractor, Socrates, learning his name, and since then, they have been plastering his name with accusations, but with absolutely no basis. I think the idea is that it will scare most people out of criticizing Brett. If they ever learned who The Scyphers Murder is, they would do the same to him. I saw Neal make a comment once that he has no assets, so he feels he can do whatever he wants to people (he’s resistant to a judgment).

    Anyway, bottom line, this makes clear that Neal knows he’s wrong. He would answer questions like those if he could, because it would help convince his audience (any sane member of which also wonders what Neal’s basis is). Instead, he just eliminates the questions.

    Might I add, be careful when clicking links on his page. Out of an abundance of caution, just in case he’s really this super hacker he’s claiming to be.

    ——–

    Qritiq, I’ve been long wondering about something. It was said that Dan Wolfe was issuing violent threats too. When I criticized his doing so, I made the mistake of not looking for the threats first… taking the word of someone who turned out to be a little reckless about how he described things. Some folks then criticized me (justifiably), saying Dan’s threats were to ruin someone’s career, rather than anything illegal.

    Since you’re following that part of the story, I was hoping you could clear this aspect up. I’ve got no ‘gotcha’ or ultimate point to this. I’m just curious what the truth of the matter was.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2276. qritiq – How about an open letter to Neal Rauhauser? Kind of a put up or shut up type request. I would love to see the response to that.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2277. 2310. “They’re closing in on you. Quick, call the New York Times!” Critiq, you think someone is involved in illegal activity (I presume) and in over their head, and you appear to want to help them. Why would you suggest they go to a NYT reporter and not call a lawyer? Are you working for Preston or the NYT in some capacity? A simple and direct question, sparked by this dubious display of concern and other recent online activity.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2278. I would love to see the response to that.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 7/20/2011 @ 9:22 am

    Of course, his response to the one Koam quoted was to ignore the request and remove the comment. He can’t remove the comment from this blog, but he can continue to ignore it, reasserting what he’s acting as though he knows is a lie.

    Qritiq, is it really in Dan’s best interest to go to the press? I mean, seriously? It might be in yours and mine because we really are curious about him, but does he really want what happened to Mike Stack? Does he want Neal demanding photos of his wife, either?

    And of all reporters, Preston? Why her? JGCA had her pegged, my friend.

    Anyway, I am curious if anyone can clear up my question about the threats from him. I was curious, but I don’t think it relates to anything current.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2279. 2308 koam @wittier
    2309 dustin

    I kept a copy of the 5 related TSM comments from Kos that were still up after the 2 from July 19 disappeared. (just in case they too disappear) I sent a copy to Pat.

    If anyone wants a copy, let me know. If you think I should just post them here, I can.

    I don’t know who TSM is but you can see what other subjects s/he comments on at Kos. Seems to only be interested in Neal’s topics. Neal calls TSM a Breitbart troll in one reply.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2280. Fwiw, the Kos kids want to clean up their act, within limits, so as to become a more Viable Political Force. Iirc, they banned 9/11 truther posts. Which is to say, they may try to deal correctly with violations of their own rules such as burying or deleting comments, etc. Not that i’d bet on it, but for the more intrepid out there, it might be worth a shot.

    I’m sort of wary of giving him more popularity by posting “back and forths”. Perhaps a stock reply, naming names, for each of his posts (if it is not spamming, by Kos rules) would be a good way to warn people without it being a total energy drain.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2281. 2317 Jeff

    Well the observation persists that the SW threads about Weinergate & Breitbart are largely ghost towns. (few member comments, few votes)

    I suppose it would be easy for a few people to join and at least click “+” on comments that we don’t want to see disappear.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2282. 2306 koam

    Neal has posted in reply to delver rootnose that comments like TSM’s should be banned from Kos in the first place. He admits his hiding the post was against the rules. He doesn’t mention if he also made it go blank or not. I don’t know how that works.

    Breitbart troll (0+ / 0-)
    It’s a Breitbart troll. Yeah, contrary to site rules, but I would certainly hope a gap permitting such a thing to enter within these orange padded walls would be promptly plugged.

    Indict Andrew Breitbart

    by Stranded Wind on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 08:52:03 AM PDT

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2283. Wow, did y’all see Neal’s post on Israel buying a proxy war by funding politicians via Citizen United? He even ties it into the Tea Party’s worry over border security. He claims Israel buying a proxy war is more of a border issue than Mexican illegal immigration.

    One of his commenters notes that his example is completely inaccurate, illegal before and after Citizens United. He admits that yeah, he’s wrong, but so what? There’s an election coming!

    I saw that in March he was getting 500 comments. Now he’s getting a dozen on a good day. I think admitting that his reporting is hopelessly wrong, but he doesn’t really care because he’s trying to elect democrats, undermines the value of reading his stuff.

    Imagine you’re a progressive democrat, and you complained to a friend that Citizens United was bad because you’re afraid of the Jews buying a war with Iran! You would soon learn to find a better source of information.

    Link, but be warned, Neal has difficultly expressing a coherent train of thought.

    He acts a lot like Ron, actually. I wonder if they used similar drugs and have similar mental problems. This isn’t a joke. I really wonder.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2284. The Scyphers Murder has re-posted that comment over at Kos.

    Here’s one

    Here’s another new one from TSM which adresses the censorship

    Reproduced in full here, before it gets censored:

    I’m not sure what’s going on (0+ / 0-)
    I think you might be referring to me.

    I left a comment asking you a question, politely.

    It wasn’t showing up later, so I left a similar comment.

    I asked what I think were two questions. One, explain your basis for associating Seth with this stuff. Two, explain your basis for associated Patterico with this stuff.

    Then, I provided a better explanation for this than you have (which is to say, you really haven’t provided any explanation… just assertions that you’re right, linked to your assertions that you’re right).

    My explanation is that Brett Kimberlin is feeding you a conspiracy theory that makes sense to you because he’s proven to be extremely good at fooling democrats, and then not leaving his fingerprints on the conspiracy theory when it falls apart. He hates Seth and Patterico, and you’ve recently shown support for Brett.

    It shouldn’t be possible for anyone to affiliate with Brett knowing who he is. He’s violent and a repeated con artist, fooling democrat activists over and over again.

    Is there any actual reason to say Seth is associated with any of this weinergate stuff? Is there any reason to say Patterico is associated with anything other than reporting on it? You’ve gotten his side of this wrong several times, but a lot of people have so that’s not proof of much. Patterico was presenting what JohnReid9 was claiming without prejudice, making clear to his readers he doesn’t say they are lying, but also correcting sharply anyone who says he’s saying they are telling the truth.

    Those saying he was suggesting either (and there have been both) have been corrected by him.

    Other than that, which seems pretty benign, I’m not understanding what you threatened Patterico with this link to beandogs, specifying that you, Neal, harassed people. I’m not understanding why you asked for a picture of his spouse while you made a show of support for a violent terrorist like Brett Kimberlin.

    And note, I’m not exaggerating at all.

    Yes, it’s true, Breitbart’s sites have criticized Kimberlin. Does that really prove I’m a ‘Breitbart troll’? Your only basis for saying that is that I asked you two questions. Your only answer to those honest questions are to delete them.

    You are convinced of something that isn’t true, and you’re acting like anyone simply asking for the truth is evil. And you’re doing it because you’re following the directions of Brett Kimberlin. Hear me out, Neal. Explain what specifically about Patterico has justified bringing up his family, or threatening to harass him. I don’t think you can do it. You can repeat your accusations, but you’re not really sure… in fact, you probably have almost no basis at all.

    Brett is very good at weaving a sophisticated tale that cons democrats and ultimately ruins their credibility. He used to post stuff supporting Pat Buchanan, and now he cons democrats. Reconsider trusting him. If you’ve got some other reason to act this way, you have refused to tell me what it is… just deleting the comments.

    by The Scyphers Murder on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 10:58:27 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2285. And now another comment from The Scyphers Murder, reproduced in full below:

    I may just be having a computer problem and my posts aren’t showing up.

    But all I did was ask questions that are germane, polite, and completely reasonable to ask.

    If Neal doesn’t want to answer then, that’s his choice. If he wants to accuse me of asking them in bad faith, that’s his choice. If he wants to accuse me of being part of a conspiracy with Andrew Breitbart of all people (not true, btw), that’s cool too.

    Or he could even dare to just answer the questions. That wouldn’t hurt him if he’s justified in his accusations and behavior. And if he can’t, perhaps he should admit he can’t answer them, but is going with his gut or something.

    The last thing I think he should do is delete the questions, hiding them from readers’ consideration. Doing that makes it look as though he doesn’t want people to know the questions were asked at all.

    By all means, if he’s got a criticism of me, he should simply make it openly. He shouldn’t hide questions about his reasoning. I really don’t understand why he’s so sure about some of the things he’s saying. I’ve read all his writings I can find, and just don’t see it.

    I’m mostly interested in how Brett Kimberlin has conned folks… I’ll admit I enter this with a very firm POV to distrust him. I’m not hiding that, though. And I’m not unreasonable to have this view.

    by The Scyphers Murder on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 11:19:19 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2286. 2322 koam

    The header by TSM for the quote above was

    “And my apologies if you’re not talking about me”

    (this header is apparently in reference to Neal calling TSM a Breitbart troll) see my comment 2319, above.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2287. koam @wittier – Ron probably views those TSM comments as threats. He seems to have problems grokking the intertubes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2288. 2322 koam

    delver rootnose, experienced kos member, responded to TSM’s latest posts and offered some explanation of the rules over there.

    You are not having computer problems… (0+ / 0-)
    ….if you knew anything about this site you would know trusted users can issue HR and if a comment gets enough HRs it goes to a special area where only Trusted users can see it for further review and consideration if HRs are justified. i call that place hidden valley as a joke.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 12:25:19 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    oh and who is Neal… (0+ / 0-)
    …if you are saying Neal is Stranded Wind and if he has not already self identified as Neal then you are breaking a serious rule at DKOS called ‘outing’ and Stranded Wind should refer you to the site moderators for banning. Outing is one of the most serious violations of site policy there is.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 12:28:57 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    sorry just noted that Stranded Wind… (0+ / 0-)
    …has self identified in his profile. Still you should use the handle for clarity. (Also I bet Stranded Wind resents the ‘familiarity’ you are trying to create, but I am just guessing)

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 12:32:56 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2289. One of The Scyphers Murder’s comments on Kos from July 19 has reappeared in the SW post “Patterico’s Personal Pipsqueak” comments section. Earlier, it had been linked on TSM’s page only, but had been blank (a title only without included comments). Prior to now, it was not even showing up on the PPP page. Now it’s back:

    What did Seth Allen fabricate? (1+ / 2-)
    I thought Seth was the guy who wanted everyone to know that Brett Kimberlin was a con artist who was lying to people on Kos about how he was exonorated for his violent crimes.
    http://www.indystar.com/

    I never say this guy stalk anyone. He simply told the truth about someone.

    If this is stalking, then anyone who talks about anyone on the internet is stalking.

    Please be very careful about trusting Brett, Neal. He used to post things praising Pat Buchanan. His claims to know conspiracy theories about the right always blow up. If he’s sincerely trying to help the left, he’s doing a terrible job. but what if he isn’t? What if this is a dirty trick?

    You’re right that Patterico does indeed prosecute murderers. He spends almost all his time on that. When he doesn’t he’s a pretty conservative blogger who welcomes liberals, even far leftists, to his blog.

    It seems like you drop Seth Allen’s name into a lot of your posts, and then fail to explain why. You’ve never provided your reason for linking Seth to anything other than his criticism of Brett Kimberlin, and knowing that you’re relying on Brett for information, and that Brett is a violent con artist, I just worry that he’s concocted some kind of story that may seem plausible, and even tug at your heart strings, but I’m pretty sure is meant to simply screw with Seth.

    “if you carry on in this fashion someone will notice and decide to milk you. ~cough~ beandogs ~cough~”

    It does sound like you’re warning about retaliation. Is that what you’re saying?

    From your link:

    “the basic outline of Twittergate is this: Democrats have hired a cadre of menacing “E-thugs,” led by a progressive social media consultant named Neal Rauhauser. The gang’s mission: to identify prominent Tea party Twitter users and harass them”

    You say someone will notice and respond, and then link a story claiming you were on a mission to menace people?

    I really worry that you’re in over your head, and being convinced by Brett Kimberlin that Patterico or this Seth guy is your enemy. I think a better course of action is to talk about politics, instead of this guerrilla stuff that I frankly have a very difficult time understanding. Why would you

    by The Scyphers Murder on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 02:01:52 PM PDT

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2290. TSM responds to delver rootnose:

    No apologies necessary. (0+ / 0-)
    I think that’s a very good rule.

    And thank you for helping me understand. I am new to Kos and not especially computer literate. My initial thought when my comments didn’t post was simply that it was on my end.

    It is wrong to out people on Kos who just want to share their opinions without suffering harassment in real life for them. That is a very good rule.

    Stranded Wind has often discussed his details and his job. He’s a professional IT guy for democrat candidates, btw. I do think he’s cool with being identified with his name Stranded Wind. I did learn his name from his profile here. It’s not a big deal to me what I call him… I had not actually put any thought into how it would come across if I used the name in his profile. If it’s bugging you, it’s probably bugging others and I need to adapt to what’s normal, so I’ll do my best to call him by his Kos handle instead. Again, thanks.

    Anyway, regarding this big no-no of outing anonymous Kos members, Prepostericity was a Kos member who criticized Brett Kimberlin’s criminal record and warned democrats to be very wary of what he’s telling them. His commentary is much like mine (we are not the same person).

    Brett sued him claiming cyberstalking, which was a bogus claim, but Prepostericity did not have enough money for a lawyer to prevent his real name from being disclosed.

    Since then, Brett’s friends keep throwing this Kos member’s real name into many of their posts. One of my greatest irritations is that this anonymous Kos diarist (who was also on DU and had a blog) has been outed because Brett didn’t like that he was telling people Brett’s claim he was exonorated, or that he was politically repressed are not true. He was never exonorated and the evidence that he was responsible for bombings included photographs and tremendous physical evidence. The only reason Brett is not in prison anymore is because the jury did not know what his motive was. His motive was (I allege) that he was covering up a different crime he had an associate commit. But whether you believe that aspect or not, he was convicted of setting bombs, and then he did in fact start conning democrat activists with conspiracy theories that repeatedly turned out to be fabricated.

    This is very serious stuff. I don’t want democrats fooled. It distracts from the real debate that is so important.

    But anyway, Prepostericity tried to explain this on his blog, which is owned by google, and his diary here, and Brett sued him and demanded Google reveal his real name.

    That name is now being posted everywhere Brett’s friends write with all manner of accusations.

    In fact, Stranded Wind has posted that Kos Diarist’s real name here, and if you’re right, he deleted my asking him what reason he had to do that. In all my contacts with this man, he has been a consistent progressive. He’s not a fake. I can’t prove it, but anyone can look for themselves and make up their own mind. I give you my word that I believe that he is a sincere progressive who doesn’t want Brett to fool people, and whose anonymity was violated wrongly.

    Again, thank you for helping me. I think Stranded Wind’s diaries show he’s a passionate progressive too. I wouldn’t dream of calling him a Breitbart troll just because we disagree, or because I think he’s not following the evidence. I would sincerely appreciate it if Stranded Wind would stop deleting my questions, which appears to have happened 3-4 times.

    I’m not trolling or spamming or intending any rudeness.

    I recommend Citizen K, a book written about Brett Kimberlin by a democrat who was fooled many years ago much as I think Brett might be fooling Stranded Wind today.

    Much respect to all of you for hearing me out.

    by The Scyphers Murder on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 01:20:45 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    and

    * [new] No problem (0+ / 0-)
    I think Stranded Wind is assuming the worst about me.

    Frankly that’s easy to do online. If you read over his diaries he’s into a lot of stuff that probably cultivates a deep suspicion.

    He might even suspect I’m a bot. He notes he’s made some to pretend to be politically other than they are, and then he somehow uses that to fool and harass his ideological adversaries.

    So when he encounters someone like me asking a couple of questions that show I’m really considered what he’s saying and have identified valid concerns about his reasoning, he naturally considers it possible I’m like that too.

    I’m not looking to get him in trouble or anything. I don’t even mind if he doesn’t want to answer my questions. I just ask that he leave them up, because it would help readers know what reactions are to what he’s saying.

    Anyway, I am a noob here, and appreciate your assistance.

    by The Scyphers Murder on Wed Jul 20, 2011 at 01:23:51 PM PDT
    [ Parent ]

    Of course I’m posting these here only because comments in defense of Patterico and in opposition to Neal have been disappearing at Kos, so better to get a snapshot posted here. One from yesterday, July 19, titled, “My comment didn’t post!” is still MIA.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2291. Of course I’m posting these here only because comments in defense of Patterico and in opposition to Neal have been disappearing at Kos

    Of course. But it’s also helpful because it shows us what Neal most wants removed. He wants these questions erased altogether. Why?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2292. 2329 Dustin

    Yes. That’s what I was thinking….out of at least 7 posts by TSM related to this, as of this morning, only 2 had been hidden from Neal’s Pipsqueak thread of July 19, and eventually went “blank” (the comments could not be seen even from TSM’s page).

    So these 2 out of the 7 or more were apparently the 2 that ticked him off enough to try to wipe them out altogether, admittedly violating his home court rules in doing so.

    So what is in these 2 comments (“What did Seth Allen fabricate?” and “My comment didn’t post!”) that pushed him over the kos line?

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2293. “jeff” – I do not now, nor have I ever worked for The New York Times or anyone associated with it.
    Here’s a simple and direct question for you: Who do you work for?

    Dustin – I myself have not seen any threats of any kind coming from the material verified to be associated with the DW twitter accounts, but I have not read all of it.

    Lots of speculation based on past history, but I haven’t seen anything concrete tying Neal into this. Certainly, he does understand how these operations work.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2294. 2328. qritiq, fair question back at me. I work for no one related to this matter in any way.

    But seriously, if you learned someone close to you were deeply involved in some nefarious political plot, would you tell them to see the press before seeing a lawyer?

    Isn’t that a little like telling a pig to visit a butcher?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2295. Jeffeneff,

    I came across your work. Highly respected. Will buzz you in the morning.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2296. Deja vu flashback
    I’ve seen this movie before
    Don’t Answer The Phone!

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2297. Dustin – I myself have not seen any threats of any kind coming from the material verified to be associated with the DW twitter accounts, but I have not read all of it.

    Thanks. We’re in the same boat.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2298. Oh yeah, and I think qritiq is wise not to assume too much of Neal’s involvement.

    Perhaps Neal was trying to fool the Republicans and protect Weiner. Perhaps just saw a story rich with potential for screwing with people, and jumped in a little later.

    Of course, I’m much more concerned about the threats than I am with who Dan Wolfe was and what he was trying to accomplish. That’s interesting, and perhaps related, but not my priority. And what we’ve seen from Neal, combined with the other weird threats, really does paint an ugly picture of him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2299. Lee said he had sent a private investigator after Wolfe — a claim that he later admitted on his radio show had been a lie (one of many) — and Wolfe reacted by saying that he was going to ruin Lee, and that Lee didn’t know who he was messing with.

    I took it as an angry reaction to the PI lie, not as a threat.

    As I said to Ron Brynaert earlier, YMMVIYI.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2300. Can we get a sufficiently vague and redacted status report on what/which law enforcement is doing? Are they active?

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2301. Law enforcement is doing something.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2302. good they do something
    long as it doesn’t involve
    donuts and coffee

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2303. 2335. Careful what you wish for.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2304. c’mon officer!
    they steal my spinners and tires
    hamburger midnite

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2305. twenty two forty
    guard that damn corner Shorty!
    joe’s name Conforte

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2306. now some contend that
    rock n’ roll good for body
    and good for the soul

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2307. but bad for the heart
    bad for the mind bad for deaf
    and bad for the blind

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2308. ColonelHaiku:

    Stop threatening Ron Brynaert!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2309. make some men crazy
    some men fools some men lazy
    then they start to drool

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2310. ron ask for reason
    why he gotta come down feet
    don’t even touch ground

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2311. Patrick- iirc, wolf also expressed the desire to punch lee hard in the face ( though he backed off about actually doing it) and sic his mob friends on Lee.. Sort of A pain style threats that hinted broadly at criminal retribution, with walkbacks.

    It was that sort of in-between sort of threat, although of course it was alll a put on act anyway.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  2312. suspicion come in
    and it ruin his mind deep
    paranoia strike

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2313. wolf nothing but dawg
    sense weakness in stranahan
    cuz he liberal

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2314. hey Brynaert look out
    your window don’t first thing you
    see look just like me?

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2315. don’t mean to mislead
    you or to supercede you
    time for bootheels to………… be wanderin’

    ColonelHaiku (cc5c75)

  2316. That makes sense. Dan Wolfe threatens to ruin Lee’s career. Suddenly I’m making extremely pointed criticisms of Lee’s reporting, to which Lee contacts me directly to complain that I’m ruining his career. And then he starts treating me the same way he’s treated everyone he thinks could possibly be Dan Wolfe.

    Makes a lot of sense if all that matters to him is finding Danny boy.

    If Dan Wolfe was a political operation, funded to take Weiner down, that is damn newsworthy and I hope Lee and everyone else learns the truth. But if not… if Dan is a jilted girlfriend or a conservative playing pedo-hunter, it is pretty clear that learning who he is would be a very, very bad thing for that person. It wouldn’t be justice.

    Law enforcement is doing something.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/20/2011 @ 5:55 pm

    I’m encouraged to know that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2317. . Sort of A pain style threats that hinted broadly at criminal retribution, with walkbacks.

    Cross posted with you Sarah.

    Thanks for sharing this. Frankly, that kind of thing does cross the line and now I have to change my f***ing mind again. Crap. But out of simply intellectual honesty, if this guy was doing Alicia Pain style threats, that justifies Lee’s interest level (though I would still say not the collateral damage, minor as it must seem to those unaffected by it).

    Dammit.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2318. 2346. 2352. Alicia Paine’s fingerprints are those of one who spent some time studying the legal limits of threats (even if he got it wrong), and doesn’t fit with with anything of any Weiner puppets. Different character, different screenplay, different motive. “Hmmm”

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2319. I didn’t mean Dan = Alicia, Jeff.

    I meant that style of conduct, where someone suggests they could punch you in the face if you don’t shut up, or your safety isn’t guaranteed if you don’t drop the subject.

    Frankly, I’ve not seen it, but SarahW is quite reliable.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2320. 2354 Dustin

    You’re ruining his career?

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2321. I’m not trying to snipe at Lee, and no, I do not think I am ruining his career. That was a point he raised to me, which if I could go back, I’d just delete and leave private.

    I think it suggests some kind of consistency between Dan’s promises to ruin Lee and my criticism of Lee. Not that I’m dan, of course, but at the time, perhaps that’s something Lee was worried about. I mean… it was kinda his answer to everything.

    Anyway, he was concerned my criticisms would ruin his career. But what I said was true, so if that’s correct, he did it to himself. I think that was over-dramatic though. People do not have to be perfect. They simply have to show they understand when they screw up.

    Right now just doesn’t seem like a good time to instigate a fight with Lee anyway. One of my themes was that I thought Lee was willing to do anything to get an interesting story first, but in fact, he is holding off on some of this because it’s being left to law enforcement. It would be very counterproductive if Lee had to explain this in detail, so I just want to grant as much and not put him on the defensive at this time.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2322. 2354. Whoops, pardon.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2323. I just re-read about 60 tweets from Dan to Lee, all were Dan confronting Lee about how Lee treated Dan. No threats. Dan compliments Lee and clearly argues points. Worst thing he says is (to Ace), that “Lee can STFU.” But in a long stream of commentary, no threats, no mention of violence, nothing painful. I’m looking at Dan’s newer Twitter account. Tweets were in early June.

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2324. Searched for Stranahan mentions in the Ladd interview w/ Patriot. Didn’t see violence or career threats.

    When did the career thing happen?

    koam @wittier (9fe39b)

  2325. Just one point: someone could pretend to be Dan and then threaten Lee.

    In fact, someone could pretend to be Lee and threaten JGMA.

    Someone is actually that manipulative.

    I haven’t mentioned this publicly, but someone on twitter with Lee’s avatar under the name St. Ranahan had such a clever way of screwing with me that I thought he might be Lee promising to ramp up the conduct I was complaining about (at the time were were fighting). Fortunately, I didn’t act on it and didn’t even publicly draw attention to it. In fact, I kinda backed off, unsure what the hell was going on. That doesn’t mean I’m cool with Lee’s behavior. I’m not. But I think it’s serving someone else’s purpose that Lee and others are focused on all these online threats. It pushes people to say things and have fights, and then the original BSing instigator is gone, but the fight is more real than ever. When things started to die down a little, there’s Ron fueling it. My guess is that someone was manipulating him into being very paranoid. If you look over Neal’s blogging:

    Why did Neal pick this image specifically to illustrate his twitter manipulation? (note what’s highlighted)

    And then this one?

    My take is that he knows Ron is having trouble right now and wants his paranoia to become a weapon of chaos. Lee is an apostate liberal, so he would certainly attract a particularly vicious attitude, perhaps including a desire to set Lee up to some extent.

    Granted, it’s very believable that Dan was so mad at Lee he lost control of his comments and said something really stupid. Lee’s behavior isn’t an excuse for talking about beating him up, but anyway, I don’t want to tar and feather the guy.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2326. More twitter suckage. Don’t know if it’s a rogue twitter employee or a hacker, but:

    twitter Kills the Most Important State Level Conservative Group in the Country

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/20/twitter-kills-the-most-important-state-level-conservative-group-in-the-country/

    elissa (7f84b5)

  2327. elissa, that kind of thing is almost certainly what Neal and his anonymiss friends are capable of doing.

    Why do they need thousands of fake twitter bots? To pull stupid stuff like reporting conservative activists as spam so they are removed from the debate.

    That’s how Neal operates when he’s off twitter, so it makes perfect sense.

    I’m sorry I diverted attention to Dan. He doesn’t interest me. What Elissa’s bringing up does.

    When Neal is boasting about being a hacker, what is he talking about? Twitter bots. He claims just for his ‘annoy’ feature. That’s BS.

    He claimed he had a method that would have been so effective Weiner would still have his seat if he had been working with Neal. my impression was he meant he would somehow remove Weiner’s critics from twitter. (he’d have to remove Weiner too to save him, though, but I don’t know if Neal has yet figured out that Weiner sent the pic himself).

    The alternative is that Twitter as a private company is actually trying to eliminate conservatives from using their service. I seriously doubt that’s what happened.

    Here’s an amusing theory: Neal actually wants democrats to patronize an insane ‘I will eliminate pests from twitter’ botnet. So he creates pests to screw with everybody, even including Weiner.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2328. I have some catching up to do here.

    2266:

    SF> JGMA didn’t originally intend to talk to anyone else other than Lee Stranahan but she had to call Jennifer Preston since she couldn’t refuse to make the call, or Lee would ignore her entirely.”

    Daleyrocks: Sammy – Some JGMA filed a complaint with the Boston PD. Lee contends it is the same JGMA who called him. How does that fit with your theory?

    Initially, JGMA wanted Lee to believe that the name JG had nothing to do with the Nikki Reed use of the account. When that didn’t work, she needed to do something to slow down Lee.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2329. Jennifer Preston has always been more skeptical – more careful about – the identity of the people she is talking to. She doublechecked the IDs that Tommy Christopher had. No such California IDs existed. H

    Here she wanted more proof as to who she was talking to and JGMA gave the name of the peofessor. Jennifer Preston then gave that name to ee Strnahan and they both talked to him. Somethinbg was awry with the story Lew Hunter told Jennifer Preston and she came to believe taht the professor was lying. (rather than that JGMA had lied in Nebraskaand adopted some of the resume of JGCA – I’;m assuming.)

    Lee also said – I’ve been reading more – that JGMA explained that people had gotten her number (and were able to threaten her) from the UCLA directory which by law must default to conbtaining student;s name addresses emails etc. ‘

    She claimed she had now blocked it. So Lee and JP couldn’t get it.

    But she probably really wasn’t the kind of student who should have been on that directory since she wasn’t in California in spite of her initial claims that she was.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2330. 2370 sammy
    thanks.

    The whole UCLA directory thing is speculation from the start, including by JGMA.

    She tells Lee she goes to UCLA.
    She tells Lee she got threatening calls.

    Lee says, “it doesn’t make sense that you got any calls because, well, how could anyone find you? because I’ve been looking and some very well-funded reporters have been looking (he had been talking about this earlier…that people were looking for her) and no one had been able to find you.”

    JGMA tells Lee, “well they could have looked me up in the student directory”

    Lee says, “well then can I look you up in the UCLA student directory to verify who you are?”

    JGMA says, “no you can’t because after I got 2 threatening calls I went to the directory and made my info unlisted”

    So, JGMA wasn’t trying to get Lee to verify her in the directory (or to have him find ex-staffer JGCA’s info either), otherwise she wouldn’t have said she’d removed her info.

    When you go to the directory, you can find JGCA’s old listing there.

    1) It was clearly a staff listing, not a student listing

    2) It’s old in any case…JGCA hasn’t worked there for over a year. Her name probably should have been removed in 2010. The number associated with JGCA’s name at the time (in June, I looked it up that day and called it before business hours) was not a personal line. It rings to the department phone where she was a staffer. It doesn’t ring to a personal line of her replacement either.

    So finding JGCA’s name in the directory should have meant nothing to Lee …because of the above, it was clearly unrelated to what JGMA told him. When he found that listing he should have concluded, “that’s the wrong JG.” However, Lee had already found JGCA’s name separately on 123people and was fixated on her as a suspect. So rather than see it as unconnected…he saw it as even more connected to JGCA. That was a bad idea.

    FYI, the info at UCLA directory has changed for everyone since mid-June. They now publish more info on directory listings, including full student school and home addresses. The database function online has been modified in recent weeks..it has a new look and feel and more detailed info in results for both students and staff.

    JGCA’s (outdated) listing reads:

    Name George, Jennifer
    Title Assoc Dir of Dev
    Email jgeorge@support.ucla.edu
    Department GSE&IS
    Address 2043 Moore Hall
    Mail Code 152104
    Admin Code 0070
    Phone 310-206-0375
    US MAILING ADDRESS:
    Jennifer George
    UCLA GSE&IS
    BOX 951521, 2043 Moore Hall
    Los Angeles, CA 90095-1521

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2331. koam @wittier – I seriously doubt a university would give out full student school and home addresses for privacy reasons today. That is nuts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2332. Sure they do, Daleyrocks. I think I posted link about what UCLA does, maybe even in this thread – though it WAS an article about how maybe availability of info should change.

    SarahW (af7312)

  2333. 2372 daleyrocks

    A month ago I think UCLA didn’t give all that out. Now they do.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2334. 2372 daleyrocks

    i picked a name out of the air “Robert Smith”

    Name SMITH, ROBERT J
    Title Student
    Email smithrrrxxxx@lawnet.ucla.edu
    Student Address xxxx SAWTELLE BLVD APT xxx, LOS ANGELES, CA, UNITED STATES 90066-1617
    Phone 801-589-xxxx
    Permanent Address 2562 N xxxx W, SUNSET, UT, UNITED STATES 84015
    Permanent Phone 801-xxx-820x

    I redacted some details. But it’s all on the UCLA site.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2335. I know that on at least one of my alumni network sites, I can put in all kinds of details about me…and then I can check or uncheck each detail to determine if it’s available to the public or to members of the site.

    So some people at UCLA can choose to hang all their data out there. JGMA said she basically unchecked all her info so that it doesn’t appear.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2336. Hi Ron – If everything around you is getting hacked, why are you still on the grid? Seriously, what’s up with that?

    I am loving you calling everybody who uses a screen name a sock, even if they’ve been using the same name for years.

    I love you man! Don’t ever change.

    BTW, do you know what YMMV stands for? Do you know it is a popular acronym on certain conservative sites? No, I’ll bet you did not know that.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2337. Sarah and koam – I am aware that alumni sites do and the ones I belong to are password protected. I’ve got my info on there and yes, I can choose to make some of it available to the public at least for the grad school stuff – like a resume extender. It’s crazy for an institution to make the info available to the public for all its undergrads.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2338. “So some people at UCLA can choose to hang all their data out there.”

    koam and Sarah – Crossposted. So now the deal is it’s optional. I feel better. No guaranteed pervs or stalkers tracking coeds.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2339. 2379 daleyrocks

    well i’m assuming that it’s optional as some students display more details than others do…and JGMA said she went online and chose to hide her student listing, according to Lee.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2340. When the economy collapses the left will achieve their population controls.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2341. turn your clock back ron
    when you see me coming down
    and you know that’s cold

    ColonelHaiku (4de8c2)

  2342. Weiner is limp.

    Spitzer was a pimp.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2343. Wow. That was close!

    My twitter and Facebook accounts were almost just hacked.

    I’m not even on twitter and Facebook.

    These socks are amazing!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2344. A botnet example:
    https://twitter.com/#!/Treasabakj
    https://twitter.com/#!/Rivkaunvd

    I saw these two accounts following me, both “Icelandic” – near-identical posts, both shilling for some icelandic tv channel. Notice that it’s common for the bot username to have the botname plus a few random letters. For example, “ronbrynymmv” (it’s a j-o-k-e, Ron, don’t start Googling like crazy.)

    A little searching got me to here: http://topsy.com/www.icelandictv.com/2011/06/the-state-ep-15/
    There you can see them standing (large, in charge, tights and cape shit), about 40-strong, a veritable botnet of Icelandic marauders, each with maybe a thousand followers, and each hellbent on infecting us with their social-networking disease, spreading Icelandic TV humor through cultural imperialism.

    Point being, there are untold numbers of these nasty things roaming Twitter.

    So I did a little checking into botnets, and it gets worse.

    This link alone could be the one that sends Ron over the edge: http://asert.arbornetworks.com/2009/08/twitter-based-botnet-command-channel/
    Bots apparently tweeted control codes that were used to direct infected computers. This was in 2009.

    By 2011, it’s gotten more sophisticated; wrap the tinfoil tighter, Ron, now the bots are sniffing out encryption credentials and starting to do real espionage dirty work:
    https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/sophisticated-attackers-now-using-social-net-command-and-control-012711

    More searches reveal the botnet software infection kit is out on the web, and that you can hire out botnets at $8.94 an hour.

    http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/2163/New_tool_allows_script_kiddies_to_build_botnets_via_Twitter
    “The tool, which is publically available, is called TwitterNET Builder. It only requires two mouse clicks to create a malicious program which will turn a normal computer into a node in a botnet. TwitterNET Builder will create a profile on Twitter which the infected computer will contact to receive commands and instructions.”

    In other words, Neal, for all his hackbragging, could probably get his grandma to install this on his computer.

    Your general protection is standard safe computing practices: “Most of these malicious tools re-use functions and code which is easy to identify by effective antivirus software. Make sure that your anti-virus software is updated and that you have installed all security patches from all third party vendors”

    It is safe to assume that bad guys might try to identify your IP address by getting you to click on a link to a small-traffic website they control. “Hey Patterico, read this!: http://sniffIP.neal.com” It’s also possible that a malicious webpage could infect a computer whose browser software wasn’t up to date.

    Are you paranoid yet? Relax just a little.

    It’s not that easy for someone to hack your computer even if they know your IP, if your operating system amd antivirus updates are kept current. To be safer, use a website like anonymouse.org to browse ‘enemy’ webs. To do a general check on your computer’s exposure on the net, go to grc.com then ‘services’ then “Shields Up” and run the checks there. You can probably omit “scan all ports” (it might take awhile, hammer your machine slightly; if your important ports are invisible, your others probably are too). Read the disclaimers and stuff, I’m not going to list them here.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2345. I find it difficult to parody Ron, daley.

    Do you think he’s serious? I have my doubts at this point. If it turned out he was part of the scam, it would explain a lot.

    There is no doubt that he is a thug. And my take is he’s been unable to keep up the act as well as he did earlier. He used to look crazy, and now he looks like a clumsy attention whore pretending to be crazy.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2346. “I find it difficult to parody Ron, daley.”

    Dustin – Obviously, I don’t. He provides too much material.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2347. Dustin – The above was not the real daleyrocks commenting. Somebody hacked my comments. Damned socks!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2348. I would never say anything that intelligent.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2349. Obviously, I don’t.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    And much to my delight. I don’t think he’s on the edge and needs to be coddled anymore. He’s stable. It’s just he’s stable in acting like he’s unstable.

    And yes, of course someone hacked your comments. It was me. And this comment was left by you, who hacked my comments.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2350. The New York Post has a front page story today on Weiner. Weiner’s other women but then they take away the headline.

    It says he (probably) is in a certain rehabilitation place used by politicians, and they’ve convinced him he has hit rock bottom and has to change because look he’s not getting the kind of job offers he expects — and that Weiner says he has to satisfy 3 women that he has changed: Huma, Huma’s mother, and Hillary Clinton.

    Anthony Weiner was seen on an Delta airplane flight from Orlando to New York by a New York Post reporter (obviously only after a leak. This whole story is somebody’s leak. Now the reporter seeing some documents with Weiner – that may not have been intentional.)

    He was carrying and studying several documents. They appeared to be a detailed analysis of energy issues in sub-Saharan African countries, as well as real-estate listings for two different grazing and farming properties in Kenya. (!?!)

    Who could he be working for? Some job given to him by Bill Clinton, who’s hoping to surprise Obama with news oil or natural gas has been discovered on some property he’s inherited in Kenya from his grandfather or great grandfather?? Or at least that the rights can be sold? Maybe somebody is concocting a scheme to sell exploration rights? Or not even that – just to use that as a hint that something might be a good investment and that Obama maybe is interested in it??

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/weiner_is_facing_hilluva_dilemma_fARecuQmlbXsVpzca6ruDK#ixzz1SrDiyDQU

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/weiner_is_facing_hilluva_dilemma_fARecuQmlbXsVpzca6ruDK#ixzz1SrDGgwWg

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2011/07/new-york-times-new-dc-chief-bon-jovis-911-tribute/40288/

    “Former Rep. Anthony Weiner is telling friends that he’s “started therapy for his sex addiction,” but he knows he has work left to do, especially with the women in his life. “My problem,” Weiner reportedly told a friend, “is that I have three women I have to convince that I’m cured: [Wife] Huma [Abedin], her mother — and Hillary.” Hillary is of course Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who’s Huma’s boss. [New York Post]”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/weiner_is_facing_hilluva_dilemma_fARecuQmlbXsVpzca6ruDK

    The links don’t seem to be the same.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2351. 2370ff What was there before was only the office addresses of faculty. But students had only one official address – their home address.

    Apparently there is some kid of UCLA rule that by default all information must be put on the web.

    JGMA already had the answer before she was asked the question – she was called because people found her but now had removed it from public view.
    Of course only students enrolled on campus would be in that listing.

    When did Lee see the listing for the other JG?

    For along time anyway he was assuming there was only one UCLA connectd ZJennifer George.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2352. Some job given to him by Bill Clinton, who’s hoping to surprise Obama with news oil or natural gas has been discovered on some property he’s inherited in Kenya from his grandfather or great grandfather??

    LOL. Let’s just rule that possibility out.

    Why would Weiner be involved in oil speculation?

    I wouldn’t put it past him to try to get into running charity work, which does involve Africa.

    And I wouldn’t put it past dead tree media from New York to continue being wrong most of the time. Granted the New York Post isn’t the NYT, to its credit, but it’s still not a source I’d rely on.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2353. 2371 and 2377.

    It may be nuts but it is apparently a fact. It’s not mandatory that all this be public, but it is the default, and lots of student have no idea.

    Some lawyer probably told them they have to do things that way.

    http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2011/01/uclas_online_campus_directory_undermines_student_privacy

    “By default, a student’s full name, title, phone number, address and e-mail address are public in the online directory. Online directory settings can be changed on URSA, but many students neglect to do so because they fail to closely read the website. I was surprised to see my own information – which I automatically assumed was private – in the directory.

    Although I’ll admit it’s kind of fun to creep out my friends, this is no laughing matter. A case of mistaken identity was caused by the campus directory, which listed a student who happened to share the same name as a suspect in the December Rose Bowl stabbing. He was contacted by a reporter because his was the one listed in the UCLA directory (the actual suspect was not a UCLA student).”

    [This big LA newspaper story means SOCKREID would have known all about this.]

    “The UCLA directory was created through one of the school’s privacy policies and is based on federal law. This policy allocates some of the information the law deemed public in 1974 into an online directory, which currently has information on more than 33,000 students. UCLA cannot change the default settings on URSA because that would violate UCLA’s policy, according to university registrar Anita Cotter.”

    I don’t understand this, except this is clearly not federal law, but UCLA policy. Apparently, years ago, they decided that they were going to make everything public, so there could never be any issues of invasion of privacy (Because somewhere or other people were given notice)

    “There is an unprecedented amount of “personally identifiable information” that is deemed public and that does not require prior consent.

    Startlingly, this ranges from home address to even the height and weight of athletes.”

    The last I can understand.

    “Cotter also said that students who are not given a summer orientation may not know how to properly use URSA. This may have been a factor in the Rose Bowl incident – the student was not an undergraduate, but in medical school.

    Although URSA has some important information about privacy settings on the site itself, it doesn’t have all the details and gives a false sense of security….”

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2354. Sammy – California is nuts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2355. we’re not only nuts
    we are also bankrupt but
    Gavin will fix it

    ColonelHaiku (4de8c2)

  2356. 2392 Sammy

    Interesting find.

    It’s difficult to tell where you are writing and where you are quoting. The blockquote command works well and adds clarity.

    I don’t see how any of what happened on the call or what we know about the UCLA directory proves that the JGMA who called Lee is a sock.

    Lee did not say that JGMA said that she knew for a fact where the person who called her found her number. I spelled out what Lee said earlier in 2317.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2357. Re: UCLA’s directory of students’ names and addresses: The University of Texas does the same thing. It even has its own Jennifer George.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  2358. Hey Sammy Finkelman—

    Just wanted to reach out and thank you for the hard work on the timeline and your efforts in verifying each and every fact.
    It was gratifying to see the feedback I gave you about the tweet to Mike Madden get it explained like what was discussed.
    Your timeline is probably the hardest researched and verified of any I have seen. And, most importantly: OBJECTIVE.
    Thanks.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2359. DRJ @2397 – UT says the directory is compiled based upon publicly available information. I did not browse student listings, but as a public university it would be interesting to view what they consider public information. It would also be interesting to cross check against some private universities.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2360. Ron – I know what your voice sounds like.

    I heard strange scratching noises on my phone today. Any idea where those were coming from?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2361. Ron – I know what your voice sounds like.

    One day, we’ll all know what Ron’s voice sounds like.

    Ron’s Twitters tonight sound surprisingly sane.

    Guilty, yeah. But sane.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2362. Ron did sound different tonight, sort of like the noose was tightening or something, not that that was any kind of a threat or anything, just a mere figure of speech. Trying not to be too Op-Critical here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2363. 2371= how i remember it from the radio show and includes comments to radio audience as well as comments on radio reporting what was said on phone. (not direct quotes.)

    you can listen for yourself here http://leestranahan.com/betty-veronica-solved#comments

    or here
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2011/06/20/weinergate-betty-veronia-solved

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2364. koam @wittier – I don’t want to dispute it. I just contend it’s a crazy policy for a university to make detailed information about its students available to the general public.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2365. Ron’s Twitters tonight sound surprisingly sane.

    Guilty, yeah. But sane.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/22/2011 @ 9:36 pm

    I was just about to come here and say that. Ron suddenly has a more sober tone. Maybe a sprinkle of his hackers-everywhere act, but much less hysterical. And he sounds guilty and cautious.

    When he resorts to excusing his actions with ‘I was hacked’ no one will believe him. But perhaps that’s part of the scam. Legit victims of hacking will be associated with Ron’s crazy routine.

    I am pretty infuriated he spilled one of the beans, but what can you do?

    As for Lee, he will twist anything you confide in him, and he will fabricate BS to put you on the defensive. When it’s shown he was wrong, he’s already moved on to the next act, unconcerned with his mistakes. He greatly resents being asked to take responsibility for what he did or said.

    Previously, in private, Patterico took up for Lee. He didn’t take sides, but asked me to get along if possible… to take it easy on his friend as a personal favor.

    Very soon after, Lee stabbed Patt in the back, pushing him into the defensive with falsehoods (he would like Patterico to reveal one piece of information, but Lee isn’t responsible enough for it). His behavior seems utterly reckless to those aware of what a big deal this issue is.

    He isn’t trashing some semi-anon commenter, but his own friend… in need.

    So if you’re reading this and Lee is trying to bring you into his hissy fits at Patterico, consider the pattern.

    I’m struggling to tell myself liars are not necessarily part of the grander plot. In fact, dishonest and selfish men are a valuable tool of the clever hoaxer, I am sure.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2366. Wow @ Patterico and Ron tweets. This story is bananas!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2367. 2385 jeffeneff

    Very interesting post about bots & also about security. Not that I understand all of it.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2368. Flashback: On the hunt for Betty & Veronica

    June 18, before the JG name is out in public (though some Journos knew it by then), and the day before JGMA call, just about everyone’s looking for Betty & Veronica — and an animated exchange with the one guy who’d been working with them directly.

    A good read. (NSFW)

    http://leestranahan.com/about-mediaites-explanation-of-their-fiasco#more-1855

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2369. The newest from Rauhauser, in which he tries to sick Anonymous on me by (falsely) claiming I post at Big Government.

    And because someone at Big Government said something bad about Bradley Manning, therefore Anonymous should come after me. Or something.

    [See comments below. Apparently I have had items cross-posted at Big Government. Go figure and mea culpa. — P]

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2370. 2410 Patterico

    It makes about as much sense as the rest of his rants. So strange.

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2371. Dan Wolfe has been silent since Jun 8…until late last night.

    His tweets are protected, so you have to follow him to see them. His twitter handle is probably pretty easy to find.

    What got Dan (assuming it’s really still him) to talk after 6 1/2 weeks of silence?

    Patriotusa76 is back on Twitter with the same profile as Dan had back in the day.


    Do not click the link on Patriot’s first tweet, “Hello world”. It is linked to a malware site.

    But Dan says that this new Patriot is not Dan, though it has copied Dan’s old Patriot profile exactly.

    Again, don’t click the new Patriot’s first tweet link next to “Hello world”

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2372. wolfe in tweets clothing
    weiner be old broke dick by
    time this thing over

    ColonelHaiku (8a1a1f)

  2373. I’m afraid I haven’t been able to keep up with Neal lately. If anyone sees something weird, post it here so I can catch up. And if it’s really bad, make sure you take a screenshot in case he deletes it later.

    I’m just too busy with my family. Nothing bad… just having a great weekend with a lot of outdoor time.

    Enjoy what’s left of Sunday, guys.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2374. 2414 Dustin

    define “weird”

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2375. 2414. “Weird” is a little like “pornography” – difficult to define, but you know it when you see it.

    ronbryn (707f3d)

  2376. 2415. whoops. screenname on 2414 was left over from sockpuppet friday. and i was warned.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2377. No, wait, I mean “Hacked!”

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2378. 2415 ought to be good for a few posts from Ron.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2379. Someone writes to say I am listed as a contributor to Big Government. OK. I don’t remember ever publishing anything there. I believe I have contributed only to Big Journalism. Maybe all contributors to any site are listed on all sites.

    And, by Neal’s logic, should have Anonymous after them.

    (Rolls eyes.)

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2380. There goes that argument. I just did a search and apparently I have posted there. I found something from September of 2010. Go figure.

    I guess Anonymous really should be hacking me after all!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2381. Looking down the search I see other O’Keefe related items that they cross-posted there. I’m not sure I even realized those were all cross-posted. But it was definitely not false for him to call me a BG contributor. Mea culpa on that one.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2382. 4:34 am

    Weinergate’s Incomprehensible Afterlife: A coveted kausfiles link to the first blogger (or anyone) who can explain clearly, in 500 words or less, what the fight between anti-Weinerites Patterico and Lee Stranahan is all about. I’m pretty sure it has something to do with disagreement over the identity of “Dan Wolfe,” the mysterious Web figure who caught Anthony Weiner’s errant twitter message and brought him down. … P.S.: I’m counting on you, Ace. … P.P.S.: For some reason the New York Times now seems uninterested in “Wolfe.” [Because he might turn out to not be a right-wing conspirator?-ed You said that not me]. …

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/18/weinergates-incomprehensible-afterlife/#ixzz1T4UCUMaI

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/kausfiles/#ixzz1T4TyH0s7

    ColonelHaiku (8a1a1f)

  2383. Patterico,

    Obviously Stranded Wind/Neal thinks it’s enough to tar you by saying you are a contributor at Big Government, which is another way of saying you are guilty by association. If that’s all it takes to tarnish someone then working with Brett Kimberlin should tar his associates for life. However, Neal’s post raises other questions for me:

    [Twittergate] was all good fun, but the lessons learned were: never publish a customer’s name, make sure an innocuous DBA pays the rent and utilities on the house, and get someone to aggressively examine your digital shadow so you can clean up any exposure for friends and family. I was pretty mad about this stuff when it happened, but in retrospect it’s been a blessing – I’m old enough to have a smallpox shot mark on my arm, and Twittergate was the digital equivalent of a killed virus vaccine.

    Did Neal emerge from Twittergate with problems because he revealed a client’s name and had problems with a DBA’s expenses? I can’t tell but it sounds like it.

    Neal continues:

    Fast forward to Weinergate. I know everything Breitbart does is bullshit, so I landed on that stuff with both feet. I was pretty disappointed in Weiner when I found out he actually did have some culpability, but I was not at all upset about having waded into the defensive effort. Instead I got quiet, and started walking the back trails of the perpetrators. That’s an interesting story itself, and I’ll post links in the tip jar for those who are just tuning in to this story.

    Regarding the bolded portion of the foregoing section: Heh.

    Moving on:

    Having looked at how it was done I had a pretty good sense of the skills and resources they had available to deal with me. There haven’t really been any surprises, but it is instructive and entertaining to have a look at them fumbling around trying to deal with someone who wants to play.

    First, they dug up the old junk from Twittergate and tried to make it go. Gets a lot of play in the wingnutosphere, I’m famous there, but in the real world … not so much. A real journalist would contact me, I show them the Gawker article, and that’s that.

    I agree “real journalists” would be convinced by a Gawker article — if it said what they wanted to hear.

    Next, they notice that I’ve published some stuff with the word Anonthropology in the title, and I’m working with Anonymiss on the Weinergate forensics. I must be a hacker, which I am, but I’m a lot closer to Seth Bullock than Jesse James, so their frantic effort to get law enforcement after me fell flat. I did finally get one fairly despondent Sony security guy nosing around, but I made friends with him pretty quickly and that’s that.

    It’s hard to successfully raise a defense to hacking by acknowledging you’re a hacker. Is that why Sony is interested in you, Neal?

    Since that didn’t work, they’ll get hackers after me! One of the new sock puppets created in an attempt to intimidate me, @PeterPavel1, a sort of anemic script kiddie larva, goes running to @th3j35t3r, a group that has focused on jihadi sites overseas. That doesn’t produce, so then it starts talking to @LulzSec and @AnonymousIRC. Again, no luck – Anonymous is not your personal army.

    I don’t know about PeterPavel1 but, frankly, Anonymous has other concerns right now.

    There has also been a lot of sniveling aimed at @markos about my writing here; everyone from Tommy Christopher of Mediaite, who got punked by the fake Reid family, to this little pipsqueak @PeterPavel1 have gotten into the act. We all know how that’s going to turn out, especially when Breitbart people are the source of it all 

    Tommy Christopher has been complaining to Markos about Neal? Hmmm.

    So I came to this pre-smeared and thusly inoculated, they can whine to the FBI all they want, the bureau has real work to do, personal army requests to the various hacking superpowers have fallen on deaf ears, and Markos just ignores them. The only card they have left, threatening a libel suit, is also comical. Can I get a show of hands here – how many attorneys would like a shot at Breitbart? The discovery maneuvers will be the stuff of legend 

    Has the FBI has been talking to you, Neal? Hmmm, again.

    I think they’ve pretty well exhausted their limited range of abilities and I’m not at all impressed with the overall effort. However I am puzzled at the careless way that they just did a cannonball into the shark tank after I’ve already bloodied them. You want to get the attention of hackers, Patterico? Lemme give you a hand …

    Is that a threat or a promise?

    SO, let’s see, in the last year this cluster of right wing actors have … created fake personas … dropped dox on people … spoofed phone numbers … intruded into computers … created deceptively edited videos. Fair game for any of those hacking superpowers that they made the mistake of engaging.

    And here is why that was a perilous move:

    Breitbart’s Big Government, where Patterico is a contributor, is nothing but the same sort of trouble we see with News Corp. Deception, intrusion, and intimidation when caught are the order of the day for them. They do this on behalf of the neo-fascist American right

    Murdoch has shut down his newspaper after a deplorable debacle but Breitbart’s stings have been vindicated. It sounds like Neal’s delight is based on silencing “opponents” rather than seeing Murdoch’s company face consequences. (Can we even call Murdoch an opponent if his News Corp employees donated more to Obama than others?) Seems Neal enjoys silencing opponents more than winning the war of ideas.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  2384. Is it safe to say Huma Weiner castrated mini-weiner her husband?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2385. I happened upon DW today and told him my true feelings about him. He responded like he did when the heat was on: HE DISAPPEARED and then blocked me. The he said that “(to me) your DMs are very different than my public tweets”
    So come on Dan, publish them like you did my letters to a NOW FORMER friend in the WH. Then you disappeared. You are the lowest. most vile piece of trash that I have ever known. And the fact that you still are hiding like a little —– but coming around here like anyone wants anything to do with you just drives the point home that you are a scumbag.
    My past is out there Dan.

    Challenge to you little boy–Publish those DMs if you got em. Publish them. Publish them.
    Then watch out for those Clintons. I hear that they’re onto you.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2386. Over at Kos, in Neal’s new post he still insists that Weiner’s twitter account was hacked and that someone else sent that famous photo to Gennette. (You’ll recall that Weiner admitted (boo hoo) on June 6th that his account was never hacked and that he had sent that photo, like he sent other photos to other friends online).

    And then not long after that Congressman Weiner’s account gets cracked, someone posts an off color picture under his name, and slime merchant Andrew Breitbart tries to make something of it. Unfortunately for Breitbart Ministry of Truth was wide awake and ol’ Andy got his ass kicked here, then I got busy talking about Indict Breitbart on Twitter, and an avalanche of grassroots displeasure ensued.

    All this in a post that’s about SW’s skill at research using new technology. (He mentions a 30-day trial on some research software).

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2387. And then not long after that Congressman Weiner’s account gets cracked, someone posts an off color picture under his name, and slime merchant Andrew Breitbart tries to make something of it. Unfortunately for Breitbart Ministry of Truth was wide awake and ol’ Andy got his ass kicked here, then I got busy talking about Indict Breitbart on Twitter, and an avalanche of grassroots displeasure ensued.

    If you read only that paragraph, you’d think sitting Congressman Anthony Weiner never admitted the hacking AND never resigned. It’s an alternate reality this wackadoodle lives in.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2388. Didn’t Weiner admit to sending those photos? Jeez.

    Simon Jester (0c87e3)

  2389. 2429 Pat
    2430 Simon

    Wackadoodle? That’s pretty harsh. (/sarc)

    How about that there are 14 commenters so far and no one mentions that Weiner admitted sending it?

    (Not to mention prior SW diaries which say same thing and commenters just ignore that he still says that Breitbart team hacked Weiner’s accounts.)

    So it’s a whole pack of people living in some kind of alternate reality if they consider NR/SW to be a thought leader.

    Separately, would the tools he discusses be of any use to anyone here?

    koam @wittier (69a056)

  2390. Why Weinergate Is Still Important http://wp.me/p6l52-fx

    Oh btw, I’m sure “jeff” will pipe up now and tell you I wrote things that I didn’t actually write, just like he always does. One has to ask oneself: “Why? What’s in it for him?” I don’t know him, so why would he possibly come out gunning for me? He actually accused me of using my twitter account for self-promotion. It has (get this) 12 followers. I mean I have to laugh.

    I noticed his odd behavior, because the regulars here of course ask questions, or even say they think I’m all wet, but they don’t lie about what I’ve written – he really stuck out. The only other person here (also not a Patterico regular pre-’11) who tried to twist my actions (though admittedly not in quite a while) was koam.

    I also found it interesting that when I asked if anyone here knew anything about Jimmy Siegel, suddenly the usually verbose (understatement) koam had nothing to say. Don’t have colleagues in common with the man? Don’t know nuthin about him? Really.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2391. That was quite a righteous comment, DRJ!

    Neal’s comment that Weiner was hacked (which Koam quoted) is very pleasing. This greatly reinforces the point that everything he’s saying is false and intended to smear those who are honest. It’s bad enough in this case that any sane reader would see it instantly. His audience comes across as crazy and stupid.

    As I’ve said many times, the left is terrible at calling out its fringe.

    Neal is in the business of lying and scamming for corrupt democrats. A list of democrats who worked with him would be very useful. Did any of them win their elections though? I’m sure any who are actually in office would be horrified to be associated with a so-called hacker who partners with a domestic terrorist.

    Come election season in 2012, I will try to find out who hires Neal and write a letter to the editor of their local newspaper.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2392. qritiq qritiq
    MT @razor419 see what happens when you don’t just come clean from the start?
    16 hours ago

    Hey, qritiq, can you explain what you mean by this?

    I recall Lee explaining he lied about Razor in a way designed to drive Razor nuts so he would come forward. Lee explained this was justified (he calls that an apology, though I don’t recall the words “I’m sorry” or “I was wrong”. I recall him explaining the conditions under which Lee intends to lie (to his audience, about his suspected Dan Wolfes) in the future.

    “Lie” is Lee’s term.

    If that’s what you’re referring to, you’re wrong. Also, if you’re still relying on anything Lee Stranahan tells you, about this story or any other story, after he admits he’s willing to lie to screw with people he needs information from, well, I don’t have anything nice to say to people like that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2393. 2431. Qritiq, you tweeted:

    By my count, there are *at least* 7 people who independently know the identity of Dan Wolfe.

    and

    even if a couple of them are journos (and with one of them I use that term LOOSELY), how long do you think 7 people can keep a secret for?

    And I responded:

    You’re sounding like Ron. Flapjackayakkin to the wind. Got names to name, name em. Else this looks like exercise in self-promotion.

    My point is that you’re slinging a lot of unsubstantiated stuff. Care to outline your theory here? Then you wrote about me:

    …but they don’t lie about what I’ve written – he really stuck out…

    Oh btw, I’m sure “jeff” will pipe up now and tell you I wrote things that I didn’t actually write, just like he always does. One has to ask oneself: “Why? What’s in it for him?”

    What lie? Your use of the word “always” implies more than one, but I’ll settle for one. Please be specific, and be able to separate an opinion I have written from a lie.

    I noticed his odd behavior, because the regulars here of course ask questions, or even say they think I’m all wet, but they don’t lie about what I’ve written – he really stuck out. The only other person here (also not a Patterico regular pre-’11)…

    I’ll say again, more clearly; your finger-pointing and innuendo resembles a witch-hunt. Your ‘seven names’ reminds me of Joe McCarthy’s list of ‘known communists’. Do you think a person’s legitimacy follows from some sort of posting seniority? I believe it comes from what they write. By the way, were you posting here pre-’11? Do you remember what interested you enough to make your first post here? What I specifically dislike is your cutesy style of mystery and innuendo. You just seem to be casting spitballs to the wind. Write your theory here, if you actually have one. Let people have at it.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2394. Nobody asked me anything but I will say this about Qritiq. I like the setup of the blog and the way it lays out the “blind items”. It has people talking and if anything,maybe making a few people think twice.
    Very centrist and if it rattles a few cages of the many socks out there, mission accomplished.
    Just sayin’

    goatsred (b20383)

  2395. Very centrist and if it rattles a few cages of the many socks out there, mission accomplished.

    I see your point, but while you are justifiably angry at whoever is behind Dan, and we’d all like to know more, this method of casting aspersions at someone until you see if you were on the wrong track and move on to the next victim… it’s BS and it should be criticized.

    I don’t see anything Jeff’s doing that’s justified the flack. And as much as I’d like to learn who Dan is, I agree with Jeff that to some, the real motivation here is not justice, but rather mental masturbation or self promotion.

    Anyway, I think Qritiq is sincerely trying to figure this out (and good for him or her), but Jeff’s reactions strike me as pretty damn sincere too.

    My proposal is that we not break down into infighting when folks disagree with eachother. If I don’t buy someone’s theories, that alone doesn’t justify accusing me of being in on the grand conspiracy. It’s as simple as that. And if we stir up a storm of anger at little things like disagreement, ultimately that distracts from what really deserves being discussed. Such as Neal’s behavior, what Goatsred has gone through, and Dan Wolfe’s patterns.

    How many times has someone defended themselves from the criticism of ‘that assertion is unproven’ by putting their critic’s name in quotes and being rude to them? It’s getting really old.

    No disrespect intended to either Qritiq or Jeff by this. It’s just pointless, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2396. hey qritiq… i am eagerly awaiting your response to dustin’s question in the 2433 comment. just what was your purpose of MTing a tweet i sent on may 30? obviously you took the time to read my entire feed, and this is the one tweet you thought was worthy of a MT??

    razor419 razor419
    @GennetteC see what happens when you don’t just come clean from the start? #thats545inseattleithink @patriotusa76 @AceofSpadesHQ
    30 May

    you have figured out how twitter works by now, haven’t you? you do understand who i sent that tweet to, don’t you? the last tweet you sent before the MT was this…

    qritiq qritiq
    even if a couple of them are journos (and with one of them I use that term LOOSELY), how long do you think 7 people can keep a secret for?
    24 Jul

    which was an extension of this earlier tweet…

    qritiq qritiq
    By my count, there are *at least* 7 people who independently know the identity of Dan Wolfe.
    24 Jul

    did you think my tweet was sent to dan telling him that he should have come clean from the start? am i officially one of the “7 people”? let me give you some advice… you don’t have a clue what you are talking about and you look like a fool.

    as for you goatsred, i didn’t see you answer this question from dan…

    dwp6776 DW
    @goatsred Who was blackmailed into giving emails to Smoking Gun, Mike? More than one person knows that answer. Lie all you want.
    24 Jul

    yeah, i haven’t gone anywhere and neither has dan wolfe. i’m getting really tired of those who continue to trust the word of lee stranahan over that of dan wolfe. if anyone wants to compare the number of lies lee has told to the number of lies dan has told since may 27, i’d be more than happy prove my point…

    razor419 (42f6c5)

  2397. Ive never argued here with anyone so I’ll make it as polite as I can with respect to Pat.
    razor419-all the people who comment here-wittier,jeff,Sarah,azdist,RocksEm,and the rest,have treated me with nothing but respect.
    I can give a f— what DW thinks of me.He blocked me yesterday when I challenged him to publish the DM’s he claimed that were “much different than my tweets”. Whatever the frig that means.
    But, he disappeared. I never saw that tweet. But, ya know what, he whined and apologized like a little girl that he felt so bad that he hurt the group and he “wishes that he never saw that tweet”.
    I know plenty about him still. And if he understood what I said, he would realize that I know he gave the emails to the Smoking Gun regarding Mr.Issa and my now EX friend that works for him.
    So Dan, or **, please print the DM’s and or contact me like a man. You played me like a fool and then took off like a little b—-.
    And razor:I see that you stated that You and DW are still here. I wouldn’t go around town bragging about that. I have no beef with you, but if you are buddy buddy with a nameless,faceless person,pass on this note: Man-up Dan. Print the DM’s or shut the —- up.
    Razor–I’ll take you up on your offer to prove your point. Prove Lee’s lies versus Dan’s. Difference is that how can you tell what is a lie from someone that has many identities?And disappeared like a little girl when the heat was on? And bailed on the people he called his friends?
    You want to see all his bawling emails and DM’s???

    Yeah. That’s a great idea. To prove how truthful Dan Wolfe has been.Make a list. Please. Maybe we can make a wager on it. How do we know since you are so tight with the Man Of The Year that you are not him?
    Start listing away.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2398. You’ve become DW’s lawyer now,Razor?
    Don’t call me out on this forum.
    Especially taking Dan Wolfe’s side.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2399. i called you out. answer his question.

    razor419 (42f6c5)

  2400. Razor, I have to agree with Goatsred to the extent that he sure as hell doesn’t owe Dan Wolfe an answer to any questions, and it’s pretty unfair to even suggest he should take Dan at his word at this point.

    All Mike did was try to help get the word out that Weiner was, at best, recklessly pervy around kids. For his good deed, he was left holding the whirlwind of media BS when it was time to defend Weiner from the truth.

    I don’t understand why Dan would have treated Mike like that.

    I do think it would be nice to know how Dan’s emails were leaked, btw. I just don’t think Dan has any right calling Mike a liar. In fact, I think that alone says a lot about whoever it is posing as Dan, whom I’ve tried to be as fair as I possibly can be towards that character.

    Mike’s gone out of his way to be fair to folks, Razor. He is pissed at Dan, and I understand you are trying to take up for Dan, but from his point of view, Dan screwed him over. If Dan wants to call someone a liar, he’s going to need hard evidence.

    Much like Qritiq would need evidence you or any seven people know who Dan really is.

    Not trying to instigate. I have no problem with Razor and I think Mike’s a good person who got punished because it was convenient to a democrat politician to screw him. We all differ on what the hell Dan Wolfe really is, but that doesn’t mean we should trash eachother.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2401. do you know who told me the answer to that question? your pal, lee stranahan.

    razor419 (42f6c5)

  2402. as for you goatsred, i didn’t see you answer this question from dan…

    dwp6776 DW
    @goatsred Who was blackmailed into giving emails to Smoking Gun, Mike? More than one person knows that answer. Lie all you want.
    24 Jul

    More than one, Dan???? Sounds like what razor is crying about the “7” people?? Right razor?? Why the silence on that one? MAKE THE LIST COMPARING LIES……………Cant wait.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2403. do you know who told me the answer to that question? your pal, lee stranahan.

    Comment by razor419 — 7/25/2011 @ 8:32 pm

    And you believed him? Come on, man. What did Lee do to anyone behind their back? Sow discord. He did it to you, he did it to me, he did it to Mike, he did it to Patterico.

    Anyway, I guess you’re suggesting that before Mike’s personal details were publicized, someone blackmailed him, and Mike then exposed Dan’s reason for wanting to remain anonymous? Is that the accusation?

    If so, that’s a shame, but I’m not seeing any evidence it’s even true. Lee Stranahan would have reported that publicly if he had evidence for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he simply played you off other people by saying whatever he wanted. Remember when you told Lee something I confided in you?

    I told you it was no big deal because you were trying to help, and because I had already confided that very thing to Lee already. Did Lee let you know I had done that? Of course not. Because he was manipulating you.

    Pushing Mike on proving himself to Dan is not going to accomplish anything but pissing Mike off. Mike’s got real skin in the game, unlike most people. This scandal has reached out and affected his life. Dan explained why he didn’t want this scandal to affect his own life, and now he’s piling on his ‘friend’ who suffered that consequence, partly because Dan stepped aside at the worst moment?

    That’s messed up.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2404. btw, not trying to pick a fight with Razor. I think Razor should understand where Mike’s coming from, is all.

    At some point, we have to accept that we don’t get to get every single question answered, no matter how curious we are. The Lee Stranahans of the world are going to have to live without our personal lives being their stepping stones, and if they can’t handle that, tough.

    I probably won’t get to know who Dan Wolfe is. Dan probably won’t get Mike to answer him.

    Razor, if you’re feeding Dan snippets of background about people, remember that you do not know who this guy is. You could be dealing with someone who is trying to cause a huge mess. I don’t know that, but it’s certainly a possibility.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2405. Well, you can credit Qritiq with instigating the fight in this particular direction.

    Is this why Dan wolfe matters? Because that’s the best way to infuriate everyone?

    It seems like it’s the best fulcrum. If someone wants to stop an analysis of Neal (such as DRJ’s awesome analysis, or Koam’s hilarious quote), Neal can’t very well delete that from here like he would from Kos.

    So it’s convenient to him that the subject changed to Dan. Is Dan relevant? Does he matter? As interesting as he could be, I have to say ultimately he is a side story. What really matters is who is screwing innocent people over. Who is taking this to the threat level. Why is Neal sicing people on Patterico, teaming up with a domestic terrorist, and asking for pictures of his wife? That kind of thing.

    For the record, I am not saying (and do not think) Qritiq is working with Neal. Too many people make the mistake of assuming a conspiracy. I just think it’s a shame the discussion gets redirected away from the real villains. If we do it, we need a better reason than merely a rehash of suspicions. If Qritiq knows seven people in possession of Dan’s identity that’s a scoop and I hope she reveals it. I don’t think she really has that nailed down though.

    Also, it really serves Neal’s interests that we show eachother as little respect as possible. Just saying.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2406. you do remember the night i called into lee’s show, don’t you mike? do you feel comfortable that lee was using you to prove his “honesty”? keep in mind the person who has caused the biggest headaches for me, patterico, dan wolfe, dustin?, etc during this whole fiasco.

    razor419 (42f6c5)

  2407. i guess you guys are too far into the forest to see the trees with qritiq. wasn’t my initial post enough to show how clueless he is about twitter? lol i don’t care about the “7 people” because i know he has made links based on what he has read on twitter that have no substance behind them. if he thinks i’m one of the 7, it’s just another badge of honor. you guys do get quite ridiculous in jumping on the latest bit of info. what “journos” are part of the 7? give me a break.

    razor419 (42f6c5)

  2408. I don’t want to get into a thing about the specifics of what razor419 is discussing, other than to note that, while Dustin is right that we don’t know who Dan Wolfe is, I am surprised by Mike’s level of vitriol towards Dan . . . at least to the extent that the vitriol assumes the accuracy of the theories propounded by Lee. Which, as I have said all along, may be accurate but may not.

    I know that has been distorted into “John Reid is the bomb and Lee is wrong about Jenny George” but that is not what I am saying nor is what I have ever said. But while I do not declare his theories are wrong, nor do I declare them right.

    I do enjoy seeing razor419 around. I learned a LOT about a lot of things when he made that phone call on June 22.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2409. Razor, like I said, I’m not trying to pick a fight with you.

    It’s just very tricky to navigate these controversies without starting more fights. I think this infighting is a distraction. Do I think Qritiq’s assertions are justified? No. I’ve mentioned that a few times, though frankly I think it’s good faith guessing taken a little too far (like when Lee would say his assumptions were facts).

    I challenged Qritiq on some of his/her points while trying to keep it from becoming ugly. Even if I resent throwing yet more stuff out there that isn’t established on facts, getting angry about it just makes a mess.

    I just don’t see the point in fighting over Dan Wolfe, what he’s said, or who he is. I’ll be very surprised if anything useful comes of it.

    By all means, take up for Dan, or at least the principle of someone remaining anonymous and not being hunted down. That doesn’t mean Mike has to like the guy. I think it’s understandable why he doesn’t.

    I also think suggesting Lee gave you info that backs up your question to Mike about TSG blackmail … it’s got a bad taste, my friend. Tastes like further manipulation and rumor mongering. I don’t know what Lee’s deal is, but anyone who trusts that guy with information in the future is a bonehead.

    We all have a pretty similar list of concerns, grievances, and complaints. I don’t see why you guys would be fighting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2410. I can see justifiable pique from Mike towards Dan for disappearing when the going got tough. Then again — accepting Dan as real simply for the sake of argument — I can see why someone might WANT to disappear, given everything that has gone on.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2411. I do enjoy seeing razor419 around. I learned a LOT about a lot of things when he made that phone call on June 22.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/25/2011 @ 9:47 pm

    Me too.

    I am surprised by Mike’s level of vitriol towards Dan .

    I don’t want to speak for Mike on this. I just think if Mike doesn’t trust Dan or feels let down by someone he thought was his friend, that’s his business. If, at this point, Mike doesn’t want to answer Dan’s questions when he chooses to exist at all, I don’t see the problem. I think Mike’s been as cool as he can be about the uglier episodes in this story, and want to cut him a generous amount of slack.

    That’s all I’m saying.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2412. I think Mike’s been as cool as he can be about the uglier episodes in this story, and want to cut him a generous amount of slack.

    I totally agree with that. Never meant to suggest otherwise. I might not be as convinced as he of Dan Wolfe’s treachery, but Mike Stack is the stand-up guy in this story, IMO.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2413. All right…Razor, I won’t contribute to infighting here because of my feelings about DW.I have had a lot of negative feelings return in the last few days about him .
    I am over it and will stay the course of the real topic of this thread.
    I too supported you and was on the phone during your phone call that evening.
    My end of this closed and I think Patterico will vouch for my mood the last couple of days.
    Back to the matters at hand.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2414. Dustin – I wasn’t thinking of Lee at all, I just thought the tweet was true and apt. Lee has moved on from this story, so I don’t understand why his name keeps coming up.

    If DW starts to reveal the truth about the origins of Weinergate, you’re right, you might never know his identity. But if he continues to sit on his hands, his client will probably out him first, and he’ll be left with no credibility.

    “jeff” – my saying that a person knows the truth is somehow an accusation against them? You seem confused.
    Also, there’s a new feature on twitter. It’s called “Unfollow”. I think you might find it useful.
    Also, a free tip from me to you: If you find a writer’s work too “cutesy”, you don’t actually have to read it.

    I posted here the first time because of something koam wrote about me that seemed odd, and got my attention.

    RAZR914 – wow, you saw my tweet awfully quick for someone who hasn’t been on twitter for a month. If I “don’t have a clue”, then why your histrionics?

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2415. When my public info went up, I didn’t accuse anyone of “it being lies”. I shit my pants because it was something that I have moved on from and changed my life. But the perp of this whole thing took off leaving me holding the bag.
    I will gladly say and prove that there are no lies whatsoever in my story. There are a very select group of journalists that vetted me like a Presidential candadiate when this first came out.
    I passed and and not one thing chnged the whole time in the facts I spelled out.
    I was accessable 24/7 to answer any and all questions.
    If DW has accusations that I lied about anything, let him air them here, and the people who have the tweet by tweet time lines will pick those lies apart.
    Yours in Solidarity.
    Laying down the gauntlet .”Oh Danny Boy, the Mike is calling”

    goatsred (b20383)

  2416. My mistake, Qritiq.

    And while Lee has moved on publicly, he is in fact tied to this story because of his shameful and dishonest conduct. Not really interested in that right now, though. Thanks for answering me, again.

    But if he continues to sit on his hands, his client will probably out him first, and he’ll be left with no credibility.

    I’ll happily congratulate you if your theory pans out and this happens.

    ———

    Oh, I just heard Ron is asking if I’m in Al Qaida. No, Ron, I am not in Al Qaida. Ron links a comment I left mentioning I have Muslim relatives to bolster this smear. Ron Brynaert is an ignorant bigot.

    And his act is not fooling anyone. He is affiliated closely with the actual villains in this mess, and has behaved like a thug with infantile provocation techniques.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2417. Wow, I missed a lot of Ron’s comments about me. He sure sounds like a guilty and stupid hustler to me.

    Qritiq, he thinks you’re in Al Qaida too.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2418. The new fake Dan Wolfe Patriot twitter account, mentioned above at #2412, which had a recent debut tweet “Hello world” linked to malware, and which got the assumed real Dan Wolfe to tweet after 6+ weeks of silence, is tweeting again.

    The old malware-linked tweet was deleted and has been replaced with two tweets that are safe. You don’t have to click them on twitter, because I’ve reproduced them below. Two are to screenshots (of Mike’s comments #2438 & #2439 and a twitter exchange between Mike & the “real” Dan and one links to the same comment #2439 on this thread.)

    The “real” Dan’s tweets are protected, so, in theory, you have to be an authorized follower in order to see those tweets and take that screenshot. DW has 43 followers, a lot of whom are recognizable names from this saga. Others aren’t.

    So this new, fake Patriot seems to just want to stir the pot between people who don’t get along. It got Dan to come back and it upset Mike & Razor & others. It also spread a link to a site that my system knew was malware (no idea what malware — I think it was a txt file? — but maybe something that would capture a twitter password, as others have been discussing…speculation)

    So just mischief?

    Be wary of the links you click at Patriot, even though all are safe at the moment (you can see what they are if you mousover… i.imgur.com is an image sharing site). There’s no telling if Patriot will add back some malware links going forward.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2419. So this new, fake Patriot seems to just want to stir the pot between people who don’t get along.

    Good insight.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2420. We’ve seen other things posted that were just for mischief.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2421. Not to mention, the entire story creates feelings of suspicion and caution that can easily lapse into paranoia. Not the Ron B version of paranoia where you pose as mentally ill, but simply not knowing who to trust.

    For those whose personal lives and families have been effected by this, it’s only prudent to be cautious. Combined with all the mischief, and the ambitious tabloid bloggers, it creates a powder keg.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2422. 2463 Dustin

    Combined with all the mischief, and the ambitious tabloid bloggers, it creates a powder keg.

    Powder Keg?

    You’re not threatening Ron are you? 🙂

    jmel44 (d9a8f5)

  2423. You’re not threatening Ron are you? 🙂

    Comment by jmel44 —

    Only thing I threaten Ron with is to defend myself legally from his bogus and thuggish threats against me, which sounded very sincere at the time.

    yeah I know you’re kidding and I’m responding without enough humor, but Ron is an ignorant bigot who is friends with violent criminals and swore to sue me when I tried to be nice to Ron.

    Ron has consistently treated the people nicest to Ron much worse than those who aren’t nice to him. He is an utter scumbag. Pretending to be crazy is just the icing on the scumbag cake.

    I am delighted that he’s obsessed with me, because that means I’ve gotten under the skin of bigot trash.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2424. I’m really not interested in any of the interpersonal issues.

    However, the fact that that this new Patriot account prompted Dan to make any communication after such a long time, I thought made it noteworthy.

    Learning more about Dan (even if his anonymity is maintained) is, of course, a central question to this whole thing. What did he know, how and when?

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2425. I’m really not interested in any of the interpersonal issues.

    Fair enough. Though I think you will change your mind on that, as far as Ron and pals are concerned, when the rest of the story emerges.

    Dan Wolfe is very interesting, but minor in comparison.

    What did he know, how and when?

    Qritiq has been really clever in trying to work that out. But ultimately, I think we’re being strung along by folks with no intention of ever resolving the issue of whether he got lucky or was well informed somehow.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2426. Dan Wolfe is a fraud.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2427. And Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2428. And Ron Brynaert is in league with them and Neal Rauhauser.

    Working for Anthony Weiner, to blunt the edge of material I have not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion.

    And do other evil things.

    Dan Wolfe doesn’t care about any of that. He may not be behind the threats but he is not what he claims to be. He is a fraud.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2429. (From Twitter)

    Patterico Patterico
    Dan Wolfe: fraud. I tell him what happened to my family and he laughs. Fraud. Utter fraud.
    13 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

    So he’s a piece of garbage.

    I feel the same about anyone who has been reckless with this issue, knowing what’s happened.

    I’ve long thought Ron (someone extremely reckless with this issue) probably posted his own name and address in this thread as Alicia Pain. It is particularly interesting that he claimed he thought Neal did that to him, but 99% of his hatred went towards Neal’s harshest critics such as myself.

    I don’t know that they work for Weiner (it would make sense if they did, I guess, and I’m not privy to this additional Nikki material), but I do think it’s certainly meant to create confusion and complexify the issue. It’s also meant to actually hurt you and your family, Patterico.

    Ron’s affiliation with these people is easy to demonstrate. I won’t comment further on him… I don’t want to screw anything up with my big mouth.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2430. Did you hear Dan’s voice? I’m guessing either no or it was altered.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2431. 2471. That’s quite a bombshell (incoming, Ron!), Pat. Do you expect we’ll be seeing this material anytime soon?

    Expectantly,

    Jeffeneff

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2432. One reason I quoted Patterico’s corroborating tweets is that I don’t recall ever seeing his comments include a hyperlink to the blog.

    I grant the hoaxers have created a sense of paranoia and confusion.

    Anyway, Jeff, my impression is that no one (but Ron) wants to screw up or confuse a serious investigation. Something serious has occurred, and you’ll note that Ron is demanding a federal investigation of my powder keg comment above, trashing Aaron as a potential assassin, and just generally trying to be as stupid and hysterical as possible. Of course he doesn’t seriously mean any of that… he just hopes it helps whoever committed real crimes get away with them. Or at least that sure is how it looks to me, and nothing Ron does will stop me from saying so.

    It makes me wonder if Qritiq was onto something, thinking Dan Wolfe was working with a democrat competitor to Weiner, or if somehow Dan Wolfe was just preemptive damage control for a congressman who thought he could act like a complete jackass.

    Why would Dan re-tweet the offending photo if he’s working with Weiner? Do we know it’s the same Dan Wolfe now as then?

    Since Neal clings to the theory it was a hacker instead of Weiner (apparently Neal is saying Weiner did something so much worse than this and he’s been blackmailed into admitting responsibility for the hack? I guess?) I guess there’s a remote change Neal was Dan, and retweeted the offending pic just to help document the hack? How hilarious if it was Weiner’s own shills who doomed him.

    I’m just finding that a little too perfect to be true. Those pleas from Dan to be left alone were great. They got me very worried for him. If this is the same Dan, he’s an excellent con artist. Probably as experienced as Brett. But this is just too much speculation for me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2433. 1) Why would Dan refuse to cooperate with a law enforcement investigation that I told him was serious?

    2) Do I owe him any duty of confidentiality? At all?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2434. HE OWES YOU NOTHING! Or something. Also, no.

    (Cas)S(and)arahW (af7312)

  2435. Re: 2471 – just to be clear. You’re not saying Dan Wolfe is/was working for Weiner, are you? or are you?

    Greg (623ddd)

  2436. 2477. My two cents:
    1) Because he was a real person (played the role he represented himself as) who didn’t want to give up anonymity, or because he was a puppet and didn’t want to give up anonymity (reveal his role).
    2) Did you promise him confidentiality? Has he been truthful?
    This is what you said in June:

    “It’s not absolute. I think someone’s dishonesty has to be pretty extreme to justify breaking confidentiality, but it can happen.”

    I disagree with this in the sense that it’s not about the degree of dishonesty per se, but rather if the dishonesty in question was meant to use the journalist to promulgate a false account. If his lie was incidental, to protect himself in some minor way, I could argue for his protection. Otherwise, he forfeits, screw him.
    Lastly, while his lack of concern about your situation is cold, in my mind it doesn’t get you out of the deal.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2437. 2481 Jeff

    It’s Janet Malcolm all over again.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2438. 2480 Greg

    Looks like you’re responding to 2472 Patterico (as numbered on my screen…and its neighbors 2469 through 2473, all Patterico)

    Looks to me like Patterico’s concluding, or tossing out there, that:

    1) DW=JR9=Nikki=MA=PR, all the same person
    2) that the mission & character of Dan (a conservative, who hated RAW’s politics & personality, observed RAW’s online pursuit of ladies, publicized it, & warned the ladies/girls) was not as Dan stated,
    3) that the person behind all of the above is “in league with the intern & NR/SW” all on behalf of RAW.
    4) their purpose being to “blunt the edge of material [Pat has] not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion. And do other evil things”

    I’m not saying I agree or understand yet.

    Because if I try to make any sense of it, it says that RAW is the most twisted f in all of history.

    It say that RAW not only played with GFs who were political fans online, but that he had someone create a virtual Javert, Dan Wolfe, who relentlessly pursued him, shining the spotlight on RAW’s actual dalliances. He further had the same agent create a faux teen fangirl, Nikki, who consorted with RAW’s other online GFs, and flirted with the congressman publicly & privately. The purpose of which was to have Javert catch RAW in a false tryst w/ the underaged Nikki?

    The purpose of this was…to create a myth of unjust persecution around the progressive firebrand? But then the pic tweet…caught…by Dan? Why have the tweet go to Gennette, other than because she’s actually human? Why have Dan draw attention to ones own fatal flaw? All to create a fake but believable “hacked” scenario in order to suppress the inevitable bimbo eruptions?

    To set up the media that might cover the fake parts of the story as insulation against the true parts?

    Hard to see how it makes sense…help me out.

    And if Nikki is a creation of AW’s own agent, why then do they need to blunt the edge of material created at AW’s behest by the same fictional character?

    Why does the JR9 character portray the interactions between Nikki & AW as largely innocent? (although he conceded there was more, less innocent content, later on, after the first batch of documents, that he had not seen prior)

    Are we about talking Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde? A Weiner bent on his own destruction, rather than one bent on self-preservation at all costs?

    Or are we talking about an agent engaged by RAW who, when things go awry, goes rogue and turns against his master?

    Or did RAW have a wild, sinister plan that made sense at some level, but fell flat?

    I’m not saying it makes sense…just trying to figure out Greg’s question about Patterico’s flurry of posts earlier.

    What do you make of all this?

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2439. Ron, what Koam means is that it’s deja vu all over again. Therefore Janet Malcolm = Yogi Berra, and this helps explain why your toaster burnt your toast this morning.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2440. Koam — Something screwy with the numbering apparently, because my post, which you are referencing as 2480, reads 2479 on my screen.

    i am asking Patterico if he meant to suggest that Wolfe is *now* in league with these others ostensibly working for Weiner, or if he (Patterico) believes Wolfe was always working for Weiner.

    Greg (623ddd)

  2441. 2485 Greg.

    Thanks. Yes, sorry for my typos above…
    and the numbers are generated by some kind of programming (like Java, though I dunno) within the browser, so they don’t show up the same in all contexts and sometimes posts have been deleted (we think) by the proprietor, furthering our confusion. For that reason I try to use a number and a name when replying. Although I suppose the post time would help too.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2442. thursday slow news day
    dan wolfe in weiner’s clothing?
    proof one size fits all

    ColonelHaiku (8a1a1f)

  2443. For that reason I try to use a number and a name when replying. Although I suppose the post time would help too.
    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/28/2011 @ 4:19 pm

    May I suggest the above?
    😉

    Numbers will change if comments are deleted or put in moderation, but deletions are rare and usually referenced by an admin. In general, unless the comment is from someone previously banned or is clearly spam, it stays.

    Another reason the number may change is if a comment get caught in the moderation or spam filter and gets released into the thread. This happens more often.

    I got in the habit of referencing comments as above because it can get too confusing to reference a comment number.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2444. Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/28/2011 @ 4:29 pm

    That works, but I’d miss the numbers.

    Note that Greg and I are simultaneously seeing different numbering on this thread…so perhaps a function of using different computers, OSes, browsers, settings, etc.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2445. Other users were seeing three-digit post numbers earlier

    I don’t know if the comment numbering 1K problem has been fixed and then unfixed, or if it only works on some computers.

    I was seeing the first digit 1 on a different computer. It isn’t here now. After 999 I see 001 to 099 and then 100.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 7/12/2011 @ 2:28 pm

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2446. Comment by koam @wittier — 7/28/2011 @ 5:01 pm

    Noted, and I don’t mind admitting I have no idea why. Just another reason to not use comment numbers. I haven’t been that deep into the admin section since one or two hosts ago. Going there now would be unwise. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2447. Gennette so very
    quiet off the radar screen
    what is she up to?

    elissa (f66496)

  2448. ‘Dan Wolfe is a fraud.’
    Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:14 am

    Dan Wolfe doesn’t care about any of that. He may not be behind the threats but he is not what he claims to be. He is a fraud.
    Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:17 am

    IMO, “Dan Wolfe” is not really ‘his’ real name. Thus by extension a fraud or not who he claims to be.

    Yes, DW claimed it was his real name to JBrooks:
    Online Chat Between Brooks and DW:

    ‘(12: 31:30 AM) joe.brooks Well Lee is making the point that you are using a fake name.
    (12: 31:38 AM) dwp676740 I’m not’

    But here’s where I’m not buying. DW himself in email to ABreitbart claims he does not want to talk on phone. Fearful that Ex’s would get hold of recording.

    His Quote: “got a hold of a call recorded with me on it they’d have a field day with that. I want to try to avoid.”

    Right! What would be on a call recording that could be used against DW? You know, if DW his real name, then I’m sure the Ex’s and their attorneys would have a field day with his twitter feed, published emails, the Chat interviews DW insisted be published. You know, under his real name. Even the ‘threats’ via Brooks he passed on to Stranahan under his “real name”. Worried about a call recording but feels secure with all the other things published?

    I’m sure Ex’s attorneys read the news, Have Cable, maybe even access to the Internet.

    Yes Ron, I know you’re reading. Or Dan, how about this. Why not explain OK for your name to be published multiple times not fearing Ex’s finding out. But worried about a leaked phone recording of same things you would state via twitter and interviews? Like to know.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  2449. Wow 2492 comments about a guy and his flaccid dick.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2450. 2493

    No, I don’t think Dan Wolfe is actually Anthony Weiner

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  2451. Comment by az5thdstrct — 7/28/2011 @ 5:59 pm

    Why do you say that?

    I think Patterico might have been saying that DW was working on AW’s behalf, not AW himself.

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2452. Wittier, It was a joke response to #2493.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  2453. Dan Wolfe is a fraud.

    And Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9.

    In my opinion.

    And Ron Brynaert is in league with them and Neal Rauhauser.

    Working for Anthony Weiner, to blunt the edge of material I have not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion.

    And do other evil things.

    Dan Wolfe doesn’t care about any of that. He may not be behind the threats but he is not what he claims to be. He is a fraud.

    All in my opinion.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/28/2011 @ 12:18 am

    More than a day later and not much discussion of these comments by Patterico. Perhaps because it wasn’t a new blog post, which was warranted by such a new hypothesis. But worth a discussion of what he means, what the implications are, and what’s not understood.

    Looks to me like Patterico’s concluding, or tossing out there, that:

    1) DW=JR9=Nikki=MA=PR, all the same person
    2) that the mission & character of Dan (a conservative, who hated RAW’s politics & personality, observed RAW’s online pursuit of ladies, publicized it, & warned the ladies/girls) was not as Dan stated, “Dan Wolfe is a fraud”
    3) that the person behind all of the above is “in league with the intern & NR/SW” all on behalf of RAW.
    4) their purpose being to “blunt the edge of material [Pat has] not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion. And do other evil things” (on behalf of AW)…suggests more damaging info regarding AW from JR9 is in Patterico’s possession.

    I’m not saying I agree or understand yet.

    It says that RAW not only played with GFs who were political fans online, but that he had someone create a virtual Javert, Dan Wolfe, who relentlessly pursued him, shining the spotlight on RAW’s actual dalliances. He further had the same agent create a faux teen fangirl, Nikki, who consorted with RAW’s other online GFs, and flirted with the congressman publicly & privately.

    The purpose of this was…to create a myth of unjust persecution around the progressive firebrand?

    But then the pic tweet to GC, which (if AW commissioned the creation of DW & Nikki) we can now assume was not an error …caught…by Dan? Why have the tweet go to Gennette, other than because she’s actually human? Why have Dan draw attention to ones own fatal flaw prior to that? All to create a fake, but believable, “hacked” scenario in order to suppress the inevitable bimbo eruptions? (AW’s behavior after the hack was questioned doesn’t support this well.)

    To set up the media that might cover the fake parts of the story as insulation against the true parts?

    Hard to see how it makes sense…help me out.

    And if Nikki is a creation of AW’s own agent, why then do they need to blunt the edge of material created at AW’s behest by the same fictional character? Why did JR9 appear on June 21 and release potentially damaging info to Patterico if JR9/DW is working with liberal activists on behalf of AW?

    It’s very hard to interpret the comments above and make sense of it. Unless he’s saying that the intern is a double-agent, working both sides. Depends on the definition of “them” from “in league with them.” What also is meant by “Dan Wolfe doesn’t care about any of that.” ?

    Are we about talking Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde? A Weiner bent on his own destruction, rather than one bent on self-preservation at all costs?

    Or are we talking about an agent engaged by RAW who, when things go awry, goes rogue and turns against his master?

    Or did RAW have a wild, sinister plan that made sense at some level, but fell flat?

    And where are Jennifer George & Alicia Pain?

    I’m not saying it makes sense…just trying to sort out Patterico’s flurry of comments from yesterday.

    What do you make of all this?

    koam @wittier (1774fe)

  2454. What the heck: I’ll make

    no one you know (325a59)

  2455. this long thread’s comments total

    no one you know (325a59)

  2456. twenty-five hundred

    no one you know, gettin' the haiku on (325a59)

  2457. I think I wasn’t entirely clear. I did not mean to suggest that Dan Wolfe was working for Weiner all along. That seems pretty clearly not to be the case.

    It’s not that I think Wolfe is working consciously with Neal and Ron. Just that they are all sowing confusion and discord at the same time. If that makes sense.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2458. re duty and confidentiality:

    Pat – the way I see it, your duty is to victims of any threats, over someone who has told you lie after lie. Also, of course you have to put your family first if the investigation has anything to do with you or them personally. I don’t know anything about law or jurisdictions, but as an officer of the court, possibly you don’t even have much of a choice on it.

    (Why am I not surprised “jeff” comes out on the side of quashing justice.)

    qritiq (1440aa)

  2459. Qritiq, Pat has never said he’s had any reason to think the threats are related to Wolfe or Reids etc. Think of the damage to the concept of press confidentiality when a threat without clear connection can be used to break the confidentiality. You’re “not surprised” by my viewpoint because you have not thought things through.

    When I’m not trying to quash justice, I’m busy eating babies. I also like walking in the rain.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2460. In my gut, I’m very much on Qritiq’s side here. Someone is laughing at a victimized family, so that family no longer owes this someone a damn thing.

    But Jeff is right. I’m glad he spoke up. It’s tricky, and I very much hope we learn who this Dan Wolfe idiot is. He begged for mercy, and then those who showed it to him don’t get any from Dan.

    If you look at this mess as a major effort to create confusion that helps the guilty escape accountability, I think it’s clear that the time for stupid games is over.

    Jeff, Koam, and Qritiq’s discussing of the events like adults, even in disagreement, is the last thing the criminals Brett, Neal, and Ron want.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2461. Gennette, thanks in advance for your answer to this:
    1) You asked John Reid whether Nikki would receive an email that you sent. If I recall correctly he said “probably” or something like that.
    You could have just emailed Nikki to see what happened. Was there a specific reason you asked Reid publicly?
    2) What did you want to say or ask Nikki?
    Did you end up doing so?
    Did you get a response?
    If so, what was it?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2462. I think I wasn’t entirely clear. I did not mean to suggest that Dan Wolfe was working for Weiner all along. That seems pretty clearly not to be the case…

    Comment by Patterico — 7/29/2011 @ 7:07 am

    Thanks for clarifying, Patterico.

    You mentioned additional DMs from Weiner to Starchild111. Any plans to release those or other material you may have gotten from Johnreid9 and/or Dan Wolfe?

    Greg (623ddd)

  2463. Whoa, just caught this tweet from qritiq:
    @GNCordova hey chick – just fyi: @jeffeneff and @wittier are NOT on your side – just be aware.
    I can only say wow.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2464. NYT reporer advises white house about twitter usage. Guess who?

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/new-york-times-reporter-advises-white-house-media-staff-on-twitter/

    elissa (c7ab71)

  2465. “much on Qritiq’s side”
    “the side of quashing justice”
    “are not on your side”

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2466. Elissa, wow. She’s telling them to coordinate political messages instead of speak from the heart.

    The NYT has long been a hack organization, though, so I guess this is a bit of a dog bites man thing.

    Still, pathetic.

    Jeff, it’s unfortunate Qritiq would still be attacking you, but she’s right that you’re not Cordova’s friend. It’s a little insulting to Cordova though. She’s clearly not stupid, and knows that I’m not her friend, you’re not her friend, Qritiq is definitely not her friend.

    I’m not interested in discussing Cordova. Not that I can tell others what to be interested in, and not that I think she’s a saint by any stretch, but she suffers real world consequences because this is her real name associated with her mistakes. I think she was used.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2467. Gennette, I hope you catch this bonus question:
    You spoke, as many here did, “as if” you were questioning NR’s dad, but I suspect you had the same doubts as others. Care to give your own opinion as to the various Reids, motivations pre and post?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2468. Dustin, it’s also insulting to imply that I pretended in some way to be Gennette’s friend. And it’s also insulting to pretend I’m her enemy. I had politely asked her if she was willing to entertain a question. For that sin I beg a thousand pardons.

    I would not expect there are any particular real world consequences to her helping satisfy my curiosity, but that’s obviously something she is free to decide.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2469. 2489 (I assume the lkesading digit is a 2 still)

    I didn’t make time to comment, but in looking over this bthread, I noticed that somebody else before me also saw only 3 numbers. Somewhere around 1650.

    Look at comment number 1634:

    #628

    Greg, Thank you for straightening me out on that key point. Not certian how I go turned around on that point. I appreciate it very much.

    I’ve tooke the time to read through your entire timeline, and I can’t say enough how helpful it is.

    Thank you for sharing your extensive work.

    Now, I’m going to read it again, and think this thing through again.

    Comment by cap’n john’s nephew — 7/9/2011 @ 10:10 am

    “cap’n john’s nephew” doesn’t even REALIZE the number he is seeing is wrong. The ionly thing is 1628 doesn’t seem to be the message referred to since he wrote it himself:

    1628:

    #625

    Your right about the initials Koam, sorry if I confused you. Perhaps that was a type of slip. The possibility that neal could have been both Nikii and John is one of the scenerios my mind is open to. At least, he may have used the sock on occasion.

    This not to say I believe neal was a lone wolf. This was a group of people acting as a team. Some amongst us may be leaning to a theory that JG was the team leader, while others lean towards neal (neal is certainly an alpha personality). I tend to lean towards neal at this time, but I am open to other possibilites. The operational organization structure of this team is another area that needs further fleshing. If John Reid and family are socks, it provides structural information.

    Gennette claims she noticed Starchild/Nikii’s activities on tweat, and that is what drew her in.
    If that is true, I would love her to explain what is was in the Starchild/Nikii account behavior that caught her eye. She said Nikii’s attention to Weiner, but I’m having difficulty buying that.
    I mean, so what if somebody was following Weiner.
    What specifically made Nikii’s activity different from others?

    There are other hanging chads surrounding Gennette that deserve closer examination, as well.
    After all,she was having phone conversations with Wiener. How did that come about? Gennette seemed to indicate that it had to do with her little investigation. An investigation she wanted us to help her with, yet was far from forthcoming with details that would help.

    So, like yourself, I would like to hear people’s thoughts.

    Comment by cap’n john’s nephew — 7/9/2011 @ 6:49 am

    1625 is about NR being the initials both for Neal Rauhauser and Nikki Reed.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2470. Someone get Sammy a Weinergate cheat sheet. Your facts are off.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2471. Or maybe that was cap’n whoever’s comment, not sure.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2472. 2497:

    PF> Dan Wolfe is a fraud.

    PF> And Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9.

    I’ll tell you what my baseline assumption has been:

    No, John Reed is SOCKREID, who organized all the sockpuppets. Dan Woilfe/Patriotusa76 was one of them but didn’t know about the others. Therefore he was actually working somewhat at cross with purposes with starchild111.

    He would sometimes get tips. It is worth trying to figure out what he might have known.

    PF> And Ron Brynaert is in league with them and Neal Rauhauser.

    I don’t know enough about them to figure out where
    they belobng or what they were doing. I spent some time tryinmg to find out. Brett Kimberlin by the way, is the person who claimed he had sold marijuana to Dan Quayle as far back as 1972 and as late as November 1988. So you can tekll what of a political operative he is.

    PF> Working for Anthony Weiner, to blunt the edge of material I have not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid. To sow confusion.

    ????!!!!!!

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2473. Dustin, it’s also insulting to imply that I pretended in some way to be Gennette’s friend.

    Yes Jeff, and I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. I’d be really annoyed if she said that about me and I wasn’t trying to be ingratiating… just asking questions.

    Anyway, you and Qritiq both seem like smart people with an eye for some of the salient issues. I think it’s seriously counterproductive for the adults to fight with eachother.

    I really hope Qritiq makes an effort not to target people without cause, and I say that without meaning to suggest she’s a bad egg or something. I’m totally susceptible to holding little grudges online too.

    This case is serious. I don’t think it’s yet understood how serious. The effort to get along with the other honest pundits is worthwhile.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2474. @Jeffeneff

    I figured that the email address that “Nikki” used to talk to me was probably created just so she could talk to me, so when we weren’t talking anymore I thought it may have been abandoned. I wanted to make sure that the email was actually seen so when JR9 was answering questions on here I said that just to inform John/Nikki that I was sending it.

    And sorry @SammyFinkleman for my rude comment:( I should have read your comment more closely.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2475. Gennette, ok, makes sense to me. You’re not going to tell us what you had to say to her? 🙁

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2476. Sammy, Gennette is right, you’re all over the board. I don’t think anyone’s made the claim that Gennette has spoken to AW. Also, people can get a general feeling of a sock. They might be wrong, of course. Weiner’s chatter with NR gives certain indication that he suspects he’s dealing with a sock.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2477. @Jeffeneff
    I sent the email around the time that people were saying that the young JG was behind the Nikki account. In my mind, Nikki had always been fake but knowing that there was a chance that the person I had been conversing with all of this time was a young, unstable (which is how people were characterizing her) woman, made me sort of emotional.
    It made me realize that they had always been really kind to me and I felt like I had to reach out and say that if this person really felt like they had formed a friendship with me and I had hurt them, that I was sorry.
    I don’t feel like I actually hurt whoever was behind Nikki but just in case I had, I felt compelled to apologize.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2478. I think I wasn’t entirely clear. I did not mean to suggest that Dan Wolfe was working for Weiner all along. That seems pretty clearly not to be the case.

    It’s not that I think Wolfe is working consciously with Neal and Ron. Just that they are all sowing confusion and discord at the same time. If that makes sense.

    Comment by Patterico — 7/29/2011 @ 7:07 am

    thanks

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2479. Stef “sums it all up”

    Not to be negative… (0+ / 0-)
    …but this is really hard to follow. Even reading your previous diary on the subject doesn’t make it clear what is allegedly going on here.

    So we’ve got one fake girl in the circle of people he sent the pictures to?

    by MGross on Thu Jul 28, 2011 at 10:03:39 AM EDT

    [ Reply to this ]

    We’ve got a family of fakes, plus several more (0+ / 0-)
    It’s time I laid this out in a diary as the story is far stranger than we imagined when it was going down. The short version is this:

    Last fall, someone, and we still don’t know who that is though we do have some suspects, set up a fake Twitter account posing as a teenage girl named Nikki. This character set about to get Rep Weiner’s attention on Twitter. At the same time she befriended any actual women who appeared to be friendly with AW, and pestered them for info on him. Meanwhile another fake Twitter character named @patriotusa76 aka Dan Wolfe began circulating rumors that AW had a thing for young girls. He installed himself at the center of a RW Twitter group called #bornfreecrew and they harassed AW and these women, including Nikki, relentlessly. Smell a rat yet?

    Wolfe and Stack were on a mission to either catch AW consoling with a young girl online, or make it seem that he had. Another fake Twitter teen appeared, and she offered them alleged evidence which they discussed releasing (those emails were published on Smoking Gun). There was nothing to this evidence, but they planned to do it anyway. Then the errant tweet went out.

    People began looking at all the characters involved. Screenshots btw Stack and fake girl number 2, Mariaenela, were discovered. The fakes, no longer wanting attention, suddenly produced a fake Mom, who stated to Mediaite that the whole fake family were big fans of AW and wished to be left alone. Out of respect for the fake teens privacy they were left alone, until…

    Pat Frey aka Patterico published a series of posts alleging AW had inappropriate contact online with young girls. There was nothing to this either. The fake teens’ comments were included as evidence.An actual young girl, who was implicated by Pat, had cops show up at her house. They found no evidence of impropriety. But the allegations served their purpose, and AW, who had stubbornly refused to resign, finally did so.

    At this point the fake teen’s fake Dad appeared on Patterico blog to reinforce the allegations, and to try to establish the whole fake family as real people who just didn’t want to reveal their identity for various dire reasons.

    Add to the mix a fake operative who also appeared at Patterico to threaten anyone who looked into the story and make Pat look like a hero for standing up to them.

    So that’s what, six fake characters so far? Dan Wolfe has never been identified. The fake Dad promptly disappeared from view when Patterico was named as the likely suspect behind the whole scheme. And now it seems Pat would just like it all to go away.

    But it will not. Targeting Democrats with crazy smears and attempting to frame them with fake teens is not something we can let them get away with. Because everyone is vulnerable, anyone can be targeted. They can’t win on the issues so they resort to dirty tricks. This won’t stand.

    As for the underwear tweet and the sexting with consenting adult women, I believe at least one of those women was also an operative.

    AW was an idiot, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t out to get him. 5hey definitely were, and they got him good. Now we’ll get them.

    by stef on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:42:09 PM EDT

    Comments for stef?

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2480. Gennette, JR9 forwarded Nikki’s messages using Nikki’s email address. He didn’t use his own email address at all. I can confirm her address with you privately, if you like. DM?

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2481. Comment by koam @wittier — 7/29/2011 @ 6:04 pm

    stef threatened:

    “…AW was an idiot, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t out to get him. 5hey definitely were, and they got him good. Now we’ll get them.

    by stef on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 08:42:09 PM EDT\\

    Neal agrees w Stef

    agree (0+ / 0-)
    They want to sweep this all under the rug but we just can’t let it pass. If we give them a month off from scrutiny they’ll be out there running their next smear.

    Indict Andrew Breitbart

    by Stranded Wind on Fri Jul 29, 2011 at 09:36:25 PM EDT

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2482. What does Stef think about the bug in the snuff can? That was my favoritest Neal post yet. Makes tinfoil hats look sensible.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2483. You mean the snuff can owned by the homeless guy who didn’t smell enough?

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2484. Is Neal banned at Kos? His profile has a skull and crossbones.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2485. Error!

    The error was:
    Sorry, you are not authorized to view this page.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2486. Actually, I can still pull up his diaries up to ‘Thrashing: Them or Us’.

    If you’re banned from Kos, are your old diaries removed?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2487. His profile reads fine to me – maybe yoy are blocked? Is that possible?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  2488. Did you follow the link I provided and click on the skull and crossbones under “Mojo”.

    It doesn’t make sense that he would be banned but what does that mean then?

    As for the meaning of banning: dKosopedia prtcl.es/oHYGpN: Banning means that a user can no longer post diaries or comments, or give out recommends.

    I doubt they would do that to him but what of the skull and crossbones? (Same status given to Brynaert and The Scyphers Murder.)

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2489. As for the meaning of banning: dKosopedia prtcl.es/oHYGpN: Banning means that a user can no longer post diaries or comments, or give out recommends.

    Then the best explanation is that all three were banned.

    I was able to see the little skull and crossbones for Neal in a different browser. I also could see his profile, Eric, but I think they banned him (at least temporarily?).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2490. His profile reads fine to me – maybe you are blocked? Is that possible?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  2491. Dustin

    One can only hope 🙂

    disregard please num 2539 sent in error

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  2492. I agree it’s a good thing in many respect, Eric. If Kos doesn’t want to affiliate with the long term scam Neal is committing against ideological opponents and their families, good.

    But in another respect, it was helpful that Neal publicized his obsession and dishonesty and rage. He’s pointing a finger at himself when we ask who is responsible for John/Nikki Reid’s apparent effort to simultaneously fabricate three things: that Weiner is a great guy, that conservatives were playing a dirty trick, and that Breitbart and Loesch set this up.

    That he’s particularly angry at the guy who figured out that the sockpuppet was not a right wing dirty trick is no surprise.

    Initially I was curious why someone would both monitor Weiner and fabricate Breitbart’s responsibility. That’s why some have theorized it’s democrat who is competing with Weiner. But if you look over the Reid’s work, it’s clear they were not very interested in harming Weiner in any
    way. They defended him.

    Neal has denied his beandog activities while being unable to resist bragging about his power and success with that. The more public communication from him I’ve read, the more he’s been unable to resist bragging about, and the clearer it’s been what he’s up to lately.

    So in a sense, Neal being banned does the left’s worst elements a huge favor. But at least they aren’t trashing innocent people as much. Kos is private property and if they want that stuff off their website I can’t hold it against them.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2493. There were long-time commenters there today saying that what Neal is doing should stop…I think recommending that the related parties be banned.

    They said they’d be reporting it.

    (The skull & crossbones on Neal’s profile says “BANNED” when I mouseover. The old diaries are still there.)

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2494. Dustin–#2536 Almost choked on my water when I saw that YouTube clip. Good stuff ,good times.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2495. Comment by Patterico — 7/30/2011 @ 3:37 pm

    I suppose congratulations are in order.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2496. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1000684/42621382

    * [new] MB is on the scene (1+ / 0-)
    One of my diaries gone, then one of Ron’s. This one liable to die in minutes, too …

    Indict Andrew Breitbart

    by Stranded Wind on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:14:10 PM EDT

    [ Parent | Reply to This | Recommend ]

    * [new] Good n/t (2+ / 0-)
    I know that, but I don’t believe it

    by Catte Nappe on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:15:41 PM EDT

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    Good. It’s gotta stop. (4+ / 0-)
    by Luthien Tinuviel on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:18:49 PM EDT

    [ Parent | Reply to This | Recommend ]

    ? (3+ / 0-)
    Mojo: Banned
    UID: 145682

    Joined: Dec 24, 2007
    ” Indict Andrew Breitbart ”

    “Drop the name-calling.” Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:21:04 PM EDT

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    Suspension until this is sorted out. n/t (13+ / 0-)
    Don’t tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I’ll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 12:29:24 PM EDT

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    Thank you. (6+ / 0-)
    These are real life beefs that could have real life consequences, too. It’s your judgment call, but I’d let them do the sorting out off-site and lock the door behind them.

    Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. – Ambrose Bierce

    by pico on Sat Jul 30, 2011 at 02:21:48 PM EDT

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2497. Koam, your updates of this nature are much appreciated.

    Hopefully if anyone sees where he’s posting in the future they will let us know.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2498. Happy to be of help, Dustin. Feel free to DM me.

    For weeks, I avoided even paying attention to the mentions of NR, BK, etc. as irrelevant (my head in the sand, I guess) as I tried to focus on the other confusing matters at hand (what with Lee & Nikki & the JGs and all). I got the feeling that those mentions of NR & BK, etc. were related to retribution for matters in the past, which I didn’t feel the need to learn about (wasn’t there enough here to try to make sense of?) — I’m new to all this drama. But avoiding became untenable after a time, seeing how NR was lobbing threats (immersed in idiocy, such as “Weiner was hacked” as late as last week – and idiocy that, astonishingly, none of his commenters refuted) in a well-known, public forum on a daily basis. (Oh, and the one commenter who questioned SW politely on his motivations and spoke in favor of Patterico, had his/her comments hidden, removed, and has also been banned at this point — for what, I have no idea. They banned Preston’s intern too.)

    Keep an eye on @p2action, just one of his aliases. And monitor Kos for any changes. I only skimmed the Kos rules, as it’s been a busy weekend. I guess the arbiter says he’s suspended until this is looked into, but the rules say,

    Banned users are banned permanently — they are not permitted to return under new names. This is true even if you are autobanned by the community, and even if it was “unfair” — if you’ve garnered so much resentment during your time here that it reached that point, we’re not going to bail you out. You’re done. If you see a new user banned after they make only one or two comments, it’s because they’re users who have had previous accounts here and blew it the first time. We don’t give second chances, and we check new users who seem to get into trouble. For that reason, you should consider your reputation here before getting into fights — if people start thinking of you as someone who always gets into fights, they will begin trollrating you more and more frequently, and it will be very difficult to convince others of your goodwill. You are responsible for your behavior.

    Perhaps they don’t have a suspension mode – so that it may be “BANNED…(until review)”

    I suppose it all hinges on how seriously they take their rules against threats, hints of threats, obtuse references to family members, harassing questions, etc. Given how the commenters nearly universally kowtowed to SR’s stupidity and hostility, it makes one wonder how that site is managed. I never read it until the past 2 weeks when it was necessary to understand the other half of the story and the possible source of countless socks and various threats.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2499. Just tried to check twitter out. Ugh. So much drama, and it’s hopeless to keep up.

    Patterico Patterico
    Reviewing DMs, it was probably unfair for me to say @dwp6776 laughed at what had happened to me and family. I have deleted that tweet.
    3 hours ago

    Apparently Patterico is reinterpreting Dan Wolfe’s laughter as ‘Ha ha, it’s ridiculous that you think I’m involved with X’ instead of ‘Ha Ha, X happened to you’.

    Additionally, Dan Wolfe had said he was sorry to learn about that.

    Patterico is suspicious of Dan Wolfe because he won’t talk to law enforcement and because he claimed his name really is Dan Wolfe. He thinks Dan is John Reid 9 (as do I). Dan says he didn’t trust Patterico because at the time he was affiliating with Lee Stranahan (I think this is very understandable). Anyway, Patterico, please be more careful! I know you’re trying to look out for your family and extremely frustrated, and I think you’re justified in being very suspicious of Dan, but this one was a pretty unfortunate mistake, my friend. Anyway, no surprise Patterico went out of his way to correct the record when he realized he was in error.

    —-

    Apparently there is drama from Qritiq too. Qritiq has been protective of Cordova, so in addition to her comment about Jeff mentioned here earlier, she wrote

    qritiq
    oh I don’t think you want to start harassing GC again. might not be prudent. nope. might not be prudent at all.
    30 Jul

    When I read this I thought she was just joking. Obviously this sounds quite a bit like Alicia Pain’s:

    You need to stop digging into Genette Cordova and Rep. AW. I cannot insure your safety if you continue.
    Do not trust anyone.

    Patterico replied to Qritiq with

    Patterico
    @Patterico Patterico
    @qritiq Who are you talking to (and seemingly threatening)? @Liberty_Chick @NYT_JenPreston @wittier @goatsred @GNCordova

    and

    Patterico Patterico
    @
    @qritiq Perhaps you’re unaware that two of us got email threats telling us to stop looking at Gennette, and that your tweet sounds similar?

    This seems like a very mild and polite response from Patterico.

    Somehow, Qritiq has never heard of Alicia Pain.

    She isn’t acknowledging the Alicia Pain aspect and its similarity to her warnings here where she complains that Patterico took a screenshot of her comment.

    Sorry, but “oh I don’t think you want to start harassing GC again. might not be prudent. nope. might not be prudent at all.” in this context obviously sounds like another creepy warning.

    Not sure why Qritiq hasn’t heard of someone mentioned frequently is a thread she too has contributed to. But anyway, this seems really unfortunate and unhelpful. I’m not interested in resolving the conflict, but I think it’s important that people really look over the information before getting too involved. Qritiq’s work will be better if she understands the story and reads Patterico’s posts on it. Creepy warnings about leaving Cordova alone is a big damn toe to stomp on accidentally. It just makes things more dramatic with no real benefit.

    Also, it’s stupid to issue creepy warnings in the first place. Qritiq is (unfairly) complaining that someone’s trying to stop her from talking about this story, but she’s the one warning people to stop talking about Cordova. We don’t get to control other people with veiled warnings.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2500. Comment by Dustin — 7/31/2011 @ 6:27 pm

    Agreed all around.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2501. Dustin, KOAM — when you guys are saying you think Dan Wolfe is John Reid, you are also saying you think he was operating the Starchild and Marienela accounts too? Or not necessarily?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2502. Comment by Greg — 7/31/2011 @ 8:00 pm

    Greg,

    I didn’t mean to say I agreed with that part. Sloppy by me. I don’t know and haven’t thought that before.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2503. @Greg
    Whoever was behind Nikki was also behind Marianela and who ever was behind JR9 had to be behind Nikki, right? The JR9 twitter account was used initially by “Nikki” to contact me after the scandal broke.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2504. From another thread, a few minutes ago — but I think it fits better here:

    resign from the Internet?

    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/31/2011 @ 9:42 pm

    I saw that, too. Why do you think he said this, koam?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2505. RE: Comment by Greg — 7/31/2011 @ 8:00 pm

    I’ve believed in Dan Wolfe as a real person who has stated his motivation.

    If the Reids & Aliceas are not real, then they’d likely be run by one person or a small group working closely. Their motivation is a key question. While some, Neal and his followers, & Preston, for example, think that the simplest reasoning is that Nikki existed to collect info to use against Weiner. I don’t find that reasoning simple at all. If Nikki’s not a real person then how’s Weiner going to get busted for flirting with her online? It’s not like he’s a moralist politician from a red-red district. His blue-blue district wouldn’t have demanded his resignation if Nikki wasn’t a real girl. And that says that the motivation wasn’t anti-Weiner.

    That said, I don’t think it’s been proven that Nikki’s not a real girl using a fake name. It’s an alternate spelling of the name of a young, pretty actress who appeals to teen girls.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2506. Comment by DRJ — 7/31/2011 @ 10:19 pm

    I dunno, DRJ. Maybe a moment of being fed-up. I briefly considered it was my Jetsons joke tweet, but reconsidered.

    Sometimes he sees something that sets him off, but maybe he’s just punking us…or the intern. Or just exhausted.

    The symptom of cute, provocative taunts has become a little contagious of late. And he’s received more than his fair share. And has sent a few too. Maybe his wife wanted him to turn off the computer and watch a movie with her. Dunno.

    Believe me I’ve been refreshing to make sure he hasn’t made good on his threat.

    What’s your take?

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  2507. I would be more inclined to not think Dan was fake if he’d actually make a call to somebody… To my knowledge he has yet to do that.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  2508. He probably just had a bad day. We all get frustrated with conflict now and then. (I’m especially guilty of that.) Also, Twitter is fun because the pithy comments can be so sharp, funny, or witty. But in the long run, I don’t think quick wit is as satisfying as thoughtful discussion.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2509. Whoever was behind Nikki was also behind Marianela and who ever was behind JR9 had to be behind Nikki, right? The JR9 twitter account was used initially by “Nikki” to contact me after the scandal broke.

    Comment by Gennette — 7/31/2011 @ 9:50 pm

    Thanks, Gennette. What I was getting at was, does Dustin think Wolfe/JR9 acting entirely alone, or with others playing other roles? In other words, JR9 didn’t come into play until late. Perhaps Wolfe was Patriot, a colleague was Starchild111, and then when the need for JR9 arose, Wolfe plays that role too….

    Greg (bc8186)

  2510. NO JUSTICE THROUGH MUSIC

    NO PEACE!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2511. Greg, I can’t say your ‘working together’ explanation is wrong.

    I’ve found Dan to be very perplexing. Every time I’ve stuck up for him I’ve been disappointed, so I’ve stopped, and as I’ve watched the mess from a position of doing nothing I’ve seen a guy who seems to harbor a deep hostility to the good guys.

    Not just someone who wants to be left alone. In fact, someone who wants attention and says a lot of things he doesn’t mean.

    Whoever was behind Nikki was also behind Marianela and who ever was behind JR9 had to be behind Nikki, right?

    Gennette’s right of course. You’re right too in your reading of what I said. Just to be perfectly clear, I don’t know this to be the case. I suspect it. Whether it’s one person or more controlling these accounts, I think they are on a general mission of creating a smokescreen. And it’s clear to me they don’t like Ms Cordova very much. As I said before, she was used if I’m correct. But why would they dislike her? Not a veiled suspicion… I don’t know why.

    Most haven’t managed to read all of Neal’s craziness, but in one section he discusses how he’s written software so he and his friends can control eachother’s twitter sockpuppets more easily. Also, he mentions some of his friends doing this are women. I think that some are young women. Dan may not be one person, and same for Nikki/John Reid. Maybe it takes-a-village-to-raise-a-sock these days.

    Anyway, Koam’s take is usually cautious and fair, so his differing interpretation should be taken into account as a sign I could be wrong.

    ——-

    Sometime last night my internet gateway stopped working. It’s never happened before. My router was fine.

    This morning when it starts working again I have an email from Patterico notifying me that Ron is broadcasting my IP address and geographic location to the world. I have a normal firewall in place and normal security settings, though I won’t go into detail. I’m not a hacker, but I’m technically inclined and know how to stay relatively safe on the internet.

    The only blog I read related to Weinergate last night was Patterico’s and Qritiq’s. I’m not sure how Ron would have gotten my IP address last night, but if he had it for a while and was patient before sharing it with the world, he may have gotten it because I’ve clicked on a few of his links. Lee Stranahan explained that he will place links and then somehow monitor them to see whose IP connects, and then share that information with the world if he’s suspicious of someone (his white whale, Mr Wolfe, of course).

    Just to be clear, I don’t think Lee did this to me (he’s had my IP for ages and doesn’t care about me). He simply explained how it worked and that he did this to Dan (who, unlike me, uses a proxy). I guess this is the new ethics, though. If you’re saying something a thug doesn’t want you to say, they will root you out. Lee and Ron share that, though they are not comparable in sanity.

    Anyway, unfortunately Ron’s information this time is accurate. Usually when he talks about me he’s lying, but when he’s sharing my personal info he’s somehow gotten (I don’t read his blog) he’s telling the truth.

    The more I think about this, the more perplexing it gets because I thought the links I clicked (of ron’s) went to Google’s blogger and Youtube services, which do not provide IP addresses. But I’m not really hiding myself (nor doing anything worth trying to hide) so I can’t really say how he found me.

    Is it realistic that someone with my IP could cause my gateway to malfunction? My gateway has been plugged in for years without problems until practically the same time Ron noted the IP.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2512. BTW, I have no idea who Clyde [I’m going to redact his last name is, but my guess is it’s someone Neal Rauhauser hates. Ron is claiming that’s my real name. I like the name Clyde, but it’s not my name.

    99% of people Ron is a thug towards happen to be Neal or Brett’s enemies. Then Ron will have some lame and weak accusations of Neal to confuse the matter. For some reason he’s a lot harsher to all these other people.

    Sorry Clyde, whoever you are, if my use of that image on Wikipedia as my referring address has brought you any grief. The intention was not serious, and obviously it wasn’t an effort to mask my activity (it has the opposite effect).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2513. Clyde, why are you hiding behind the sock named Dustin? We need more honesty from you!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2514. As funny as it seems, I am legitimately concerned for my safety. Behind the scenes, Patterico’s family has been attacked in a real way. Not just internet hassling. Stuff you can’t just turn off by getting off the internet.

    They want to know my name, my real location, and are revealing my IP address to encourage people to thug against me. Obviously I am being harassed, but I have no idea what I should do about it. Would it do me any good to have my IP address changed? It’s not hard to learn the next one, once they know my ISP and location.

    Any tips would be appreciated. I know this seems like an idiot on twitter doing me no real damage, but I don’t see it that way.

    Again, I am sorry to Clyde if this harms him in any way. I don’t know him, and I simply linked a photo he uploaded. It was not a security measure (And anyone informed on this issue would understand it does the opposite of hiding me).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2515. Clyde – F*ckwads like Ron, Neal, Brett, Brad, etc., have no scruples, a fact which has repeatedly been demonstrated at this and other blogs. They need to lift their heads to see out of the gutter.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2516. …While some, Neal and his followers, & Preston, for example, think that the simplest reasoning is that Nikki existed to collect info to use against Weiner. I don’t find that reasoning simple at all. If Nikki’s not a real person then how’s Weiner going to get busted for flirting with her online? It’s not like he’s a moralist politician from a red-red district. His blue-blue district wouldn’t have demanded his resignation if Nikki wasn’t a real girl. And that says that the motivation wasn’t anti-Weiner…

    Comment by koam @wittier — 7/31/2011 @ 10:20 pm

    koam, i agree that there’s not enough evidence to definitively conclude that Starchild111 was working against Weiner. In my opinion, the most that can be reasonably stated is that she was systematically collecting info about Weiner’s private online interactions with women.

    Re: your own conclusions, which I bolded in the snippet of your post I’ve excerpted above, a few questions:

    1) ACORN’s staffers weren’t talking to real prostitutes/pimps. That NPR exec who called Tea Partiers racist wasn’t talking to real Muslim philanthropists, MSNBC built a TV show around busting men trying to hook up with simulated underage girls. Given all this, can you really say with any certainty that Weiner’s interactions with a presumed minor might not have proved problematic, especially if the relationship had progressed to picture exchanges, etc?

    2) Are Weiner’s blue-blue constituents the only ones who could have forced his resignation? (Actual experience suggests otherwise.)

    3) Was resignation the only goal that could be motivating an anti-Weiner effort? (i.e. you’re saying that because resignation would not be probable, the campaign could not be anti-Weiner. What if the goal, however, was merely to distract Weiner, erode support for him, etc.)

    4) When you conclude that the motivation wasn’t anti-Weiner, are you implying that you think Starchild’s motivation was explicitly pro-Weiner? Or do you think she was, let’s say, “Weiner-neutral” and had some other agenda altogether?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2517. Given all this, can you really say with any certainty that Weiner’s interactions with a presumed minor might not have proved problematic, especially if the relationship had progressed to picture exchanges, etc?

    Very good point. It does Weiner no good at all if he stupidly sent something profane to a person claiming to be a minor. ‘But I thought it was a sting operation’ won’t work. I haven’t seen anyone show he did that, though.

    4) When you conclude that the motivation wasn’t anti-Weiner, are you implying that you think Starchild’s motivation was explicitly pro-Weiner? Or do you think she was, let’s say, “Weiner-neutral” and had some other agenda altogether?

    John Reid repeatedly boosted Weiner and never took any opportunity to implicate him at all. This is someone we know was somewhat dishonest, and yet never fabricated anything harmful to Weiner at all. In fact, the press releases were timed and written to maximize their benefit to Weiner.

    And at the same time, Weiner and Neal’s argument was that conservatives are trying to frame Weiner. This wasn’t about getting Weiner. It was about setting up Dana Loesch and and Andrew Breitbart with fabricated sting operations that were more interested in being known as sting operations than they were in stinging anybody.

    Whether Dan Wolfe = John Reid (and the rest of his socks) doesn’t really matter to this point.

    I think you ask a good question that is difficult to answer. Was this an effort to help Weiner evade culpability for his sexting? Was it just an effort to harm the reputation of Breitbart? Some kind of mix?

    That’s open to speculation.

    3) Was resignation the only goal that could be motivating an anti-Weiner effort? (i.e. you’re saying that because resignation would not be probable, the campaign could not be anti-Weiner. What if the goal, however, was merely to distract Weiner, erode support for him, etc.)

    Mike just wanted to warn people about a creepy old man. But John Reid (I’m using this as a name for all the socks related to Reid) didn’t want to erode support for Weiner. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to fabricate sexting with the fake minor. According to Cordoba, he’s willing to fabricate communication, too. Weiner would have been defenseless, other than to open his twitter background, which obviously he had a big reason to resist doing. It’s the most obvious dirty trick. Instead, JR9 went out of his way to explain no such sexting occurred. Hell, just saying nothing would have been worse for Weiner.

    If Dan is a concerned guy who wanted to help Mike and others, his recent actions make no sense. Of course, sometimes people do things that make no sense at first glance. Dan could be what he claimed, but if so, he’s handled this without compassion for good people.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2518. …This wasn’t about getting Weiner. It was about setting up Dana Loesch and and Andrew Breitbart with fabricated sting operations that were more interested in being known as sting operations than they were in stinging anybody…

    Comment by Dustin — 8/1/2011 @ 9:48 am

    Is there any evidence (screencaps, emails, etc.) that shows an intent to frame Breitbart/Loesch?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2519. Isn’t it ironic…

    That Qritiq is quick to point the accusing finger at others for “odd behavior”, yet when it points back at her, she is indignant, shocked?

    That for all her Columbo work, she was unaware of the actual threats in the Weinergate drama, threats aimed at several bloggers including Patterico?

    That after hearing about the threats, rather than taking it down a notch, she became more emboldened?

    That she sees Patterico as trying to censor her because he capped her tweet… but ignores a real physical threat and its attempt to intimidate speech?

    That she accuses others of stifling investigation, while repeatedly ‘warning’ Gennette not to answer questions?
    That her theory contains so much certitude, yet seems to change with the wind?
    That a person’s computer skills are cause for suspicion, unless that person is her?
    That her dual screenname use and blog shenanigans make her a runner-up in the Weinergate puppetry competion?
    That she thinks the idea of a threat is silly when uttered by someone small, female, and blonde? (http://qritiq.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/vigilant-blogger/ )

    Isn’t it ironic that she knows “at least 7 people who independently know the identity of Dan Wolfe” but doesn’t know it herself?

    Don’t you think?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2520. @Dustin #2564

    It would have been the easiest thing in the world for him to fabricate sexting with the fake minor. According to Cordoba, he’s willing to fabricate communication, too… Instead, JR9 went out of his way to explain no such sexting occurred.

    But, if I recall correctly, John Reid fabricated DMs making it look like there had been inappropriate communications between AW and I when there hadn’t been.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2521. Fair question again, Greg. I’ll quote Lee on this:

    Let’s also remember another detail that’s come to light recently – Tommy told me on the phone several days ago that Betty / Veronica were trying to push a story on Tommy that Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch were attempting to force Betty / Veronica to lie about Rep. Weiner. Tommy didn’t run with this story, which had outrageous details but he didn’t report on the attempt to discredit Breitbart and Loesch, either.

    It’s mentioned in a few other places. This John Reid sock’s initial efforts were to tell Tommy Christopher that Breitbart and Loesch were trying to frame Weiner. Tommy did not expose this information until it was too late, which is a shame, because it showed their motivation was obviously hostile towards Brietbart and Loesch. That this character also aided Weiner, including with the fawning press release, latter statements of support for him, and sharing with us only conversations suggesting Weiner didn’t do anything sexual with Nikki-the-sock actually makes for a consistent pattern.

    Many have found the motives confusing because they assume JR9 was part of a sockpuppet effort to harm Weiner. None of these sockpuppets ever actually harmed Weiner, though, except for Dan’s retweeting of Weiner’s photo.

    If you think Dan and JR9 are the same, this confusion returns (so I’m a bit confused) if you don’t, then it’s actually simple.

    JR9 was protective of Weiner and hostile towards Breitbart and Loesch. Maybe his motivation wasn’t strictly to help Weiner, but I think the existence of worse material about Weiner, and his desperate effort to contain that story do work well with the idea of JR9.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2522. But, if I recall correctly, John Reid fabricated DMs making it look like there had been inappropriate communications between AW and I when there hadn’t been.

    Comment by Gennette

    Yes, that’s true.

    In a sense, that doesn’t hurt him at all. You’re an adult. He’s already on the hook. And he seems to hate your guts.

    He wanted us to think he was an honest dealer of facts, and he was willing to expose things that didn’t make anything worse for Weiner. If he’s willing to fabricate you and Weiner being inappropriate, why didn’t he fabricate something that would have completely changed the dynamic and harmed Weiner?

    He was both laudatory or Weiner, often noting the scandal was not a big deal, and what he fabricated is easiest to understand if he’s cautious not to make things worse for Weiner.

    But thanks for making this point. As complicated as this story is, it still needs to be discussed as accurately as possible.

    Jeff, I certainly understand the tendency to be suspicious of Qritiq, but I think she really just made a mistake. Hopefully I’m not being naive here, but that’s my gut impression.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2523. For what it’s worth, if I wanted to frame an opposition blogger, I wouldn’t use a sexual loose-cannon politician, as this undercuts my efforts, especially after several women can crawl out of the woodwork with dirty pics he has actually sent, and especially because it might be discovered he did have sexual communications with a minor.

    I wouldn’t telegraph my effort before it was ready to go, unless I were stupid.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2524. Dustin, my suspicion of Qritiq is about the way she operates. No inference need be drawn beyond that.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2525. You’re right, Jeff.

    I should add that Weiner is not a stupid or crazy man. I think he was reckless with adults. One aspect of my narrative that bugs me is the idea he would use Cordova to screw Breitbart. That just doesn’t seem like Weiner to me.

    Of course, I was initially saying I didn’t believe this pic was sent by Weiner. I had an acquaintance with him years ago and he seems like a politician who wasn’t full of himself. Wrong on politics, from my view, but not an any-means-necessary crank.

    However, I do think he got desperate for a while. I think his libido got the better of him, and he’s not really sure who all he shared illicit material with. I can see Neal using Cordova (getting her to document the Nikki sock), but Weiner? Maybe my measure of the man was wrong, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2526. It’s mentioned in a few other places. This John Reid sock’s initial efforts were to tell Tommy Christopher that Breitbart and Loesch were trying to frame Weiner. Tommy did not expose this information until it was too late, which is a shame, because it showed their motivation was obviously hostile towards Brietbart and Loesch….

    Comment by Dustin — 8/1/2011 @ 10:58 am

    Thanks for the link to Lee’s post, Dustin.

    In theory, if JR9 communicated anti-Breitbart intent to Christopher or anyone else, there ought to be emails, DMs, tweets, screencaps, something right? Have any ever been published? I’m not sure I’ve read all the JR9 q and a’s in Patterico comment threads, so maybe I missed something.

    Greg (bc8186)

  2527. @Greg

    Hmmm, I dont think its been published but I have an email from Nikki saying that Breitbart was behind the hacking (back when people believed that AW was actually hacked.)

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2528. Gennette, publish it in entirety, with headers, redact your own email if you need to. Thanks!

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2529. However, I looked at that as someone trying to make it SEEM like Breitbart was being framed… versus someone actually trying to frame him.
    Whoever was behind Nikki was trying to get me to push the hacking theory but I don’t think it was for Weiner’s benefit.
    Of course… what do I know?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2530. However, I looked at that as someone trying to make it SEEM like Breitbart was being framed… versus someone actually trying to frame him.

    Ha!

    Not laughing at your interpretation. Just laughing at this situation.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2531. genette, i agree with jeffeneff, if you could post that email from nikki, that would be really helpful. if not actual posting, do you have a time-stamp for it?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2532. Gennette, if you suspect me of being a sock, and I say to you “Breitbart’s behind it” – and you say “Jeff’s making it look like Breitbart’s -not- behind it.” I must be missing something?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2533. @Jeffeneff
    Someone WANTED me to accuse Breitbart of being behind this whole thing. They were attempting to plant that idea in my head before I had ever considered it (I actually never figured Breitbart was behind this).
    I pretended to be a little ditzy and clueless with this person; they probably figured I was easy to manipulate.
    I don’t believe that this person was Pro-Weiner. If they were, why would either of them (Nikki/Marianela) have come forward at all? With them coming forward they added the underaged girl element to the story.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2534. “Yes, that’s true.”

    Clyde @2569 – How do you know Gennette’s statement about JR9 faking DM’s is true? I thought she deleted all her accounts.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2535. daley,

    You’re right that I can’t say anything about that objectively.

    I really do like the name Clyde. I’m inclined to use that for a moniker except that there is yet another real person out there being smeared simply because Ron wants to include as many people and as many lies as possible in this. I don’t want to cause that soul any problems. Apparently Ron spelled his name wrong, and I do not intend to correct it.

    How pathetic that Ron threatened to sue me merely for noting Alicia, not Nancy, had revealed his private details (in a way that shared no details). Now Ron will reveal anything he knows about me while inflating it horribly with lie after lie. It’s as though Ron is somewhat projecting most of his worst sins onto others.

    I guess that goes to show you. Ron has a criminal record because he commits crimes, after all.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2536. Gennette, thanks, I think I’m following you… check me… Your perception is that you were to believe, and hopefully disseminate: “Breitbart’s behind this”. At the same time, you can’t believe anyone pro-Weiner would have kept the minors in public visibility.

    “Someone” and “this person” is the username “Nikki”? Or someone else?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2537. @Jeffeneff
    Exactly. And yes, Nikki.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2538. Go ahead and play your hacker tricks, socks, no one will believe them. This is my first comment here in weeks and will be my last.

    Of course, you jerks are lying. That is not Greg or Gennette or Patterico or Goatsred leaving comments the last week…many of the things you have them say don’t even match up with stuff they’ve told me themselves. You’re a bunch of lying clowns.

    I’ve refrained from commenting here again, because I assume you will sock me (but I’m copying this and adding to the end of my Dustin article, now).

    Dustin smeared me by referring to an expunged police record which Patterico deleted from this website. He had no right to refer to an expunged arrest, which is illegal.

    I was arrested for arguing with police in Florida who refused to investigate the abduction and rape of my sister, and charges were dropped and my record was expunged.

    Dustin knows that, since I had to explain it on Twitter since he won’t stop referring to my expunged “criminal” past, but continues to call me a criminal when he’s the one going to prison.

    My article is called “You Decide If Dustin Lies or Distorts” and his reaction is to open up a twitter account and lie that it contains viruses, etc:

    Just like Neal Rauhauser would do….anyway….Dustin is also lying by claiming CYDE, not Clyde which was a typo as he knows, is a real name, when it’s an alias, too.

    http://www.ronbryn.blogspot.com/2011/08/you-decide-if-dustin-lies-distorts.html

    Read his lying tweets at http://www.twitter.com/Dust92

    You guys are probably playing some kind of game by making my tweets private, because you’re Stalinist scum. I bet you delete this comments because I link to my blog which “reveals” the ip address of the thug Dustin who is sending DDOS attacks at this website.

    There aren’t even any incoming links on the Wikipedia upload page, so it’s impossible for Dustin to come to this blog from that link. It is being used to DDOS attack this very site.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2539. Dustin smeared me by referring to an expunged police record which Patterico deleted from this website. He had no right to refer to an expunged arrest, which is illegal.

    I was arrested for arguing with police in Florida who refused to investigate the abduction and rape of my sister, and charges were dropped and my record was expunged.

    Thanks for telling me what that was about. Your claim that it is illegal to discuss an expunged record is simply laughable nonsense. But now that you’ve explained it to me, I’ll be able to copy it in more detail.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2540. Dustin, if you like, I will delete the link to Ron’s post. I will also consider posting his IP, as well as the expunged arrest information I previously deleted.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2541. Patterico, you know that I was being sarcastic of course.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2542. If Ron gets any crazier, next thing you know he’ll be saying a homeless guy with a can of chewing tobacky is bugging him for Fox News.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2543. But would that homeless guy be a sock too? Or…another conspiracy…an unwashed sock, because, they have a certain smell about them.

    Or so I’ve been told..no! Perhaps Dustin..aka Clyde is also DaleysRock…so, in reality *koff* he’d be a Dusty Rockin’ ClydesDale..?

    Its all so confusing 😉 Where’s my vodka..?

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2544. Dustin’s real name is sideways?

    oof learn something new everyday

    My name is really Ron, but I escaped

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  2545. because, they have a certain smell about them

    And if they don’t, it means they are bugging you for Fox News.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2546. I gave up chew.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2547. And if they don’t, it means they are bugging you for Fox News.

    Comment by Patterico — 8/1/2011 @ 5:53 pm

    Ohhhh…so, if Irish Spring fresh- spy, but eau de locker room equals the real deal. Got it.

    I guess when Biden said “clean” it was a double entendre *snort*

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2548. Ron

    this is disturbing as well

    A high-power task force, headed by the chief executive officer of the Qatar National Food Security Programme, will initiate and implement steps needed to make the country food secure by 2023, it was announced yesterday

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  2549. Thank you Patterico. And thanks for notifying me my email that Ron did this to me. And thanks a third time for your much more clever but honest initial handling of this. Jeffeneff similarly didn’t think I need to give Ron the satisfaction of confirming his disclosing my IP address accurately.

    I think it’s amazing Ron would use a justification of his personal privacy to smear my good name using private information.

    I never posted any private information about Ron. When I saw Ron’s private information, I emailed Patterico to complain about the comment.

    The wrong commenter was accused of posting Ron’s personal info, and I explained it was Alicia Pain, not Nancy, who did so. I did not say what crime Ron committed, but it is not illegal for me to say he’s a criminal or list his crimes. Ron, you shouldn’t have violated our laws if you don’t want people to know you as a criminal. I didn’t think it was relevant, though and felt it was a dirty thing to do.

    I believe you posted that information yourself as Alicia to make yourself into a victim, but I can not say this with any degree beyond sheer guess. You have been far more hostile towards me than you were towards Alicia, and Alicia helped position you as a fellow victim.

    You didn’t have any problem with my defense of your privacy (which is all it was) for some time.

    Then, as you were accusing many people of many things, and several were asking you to seek help because you sound like a risk to yourself and others, I criticized you and mentioned one thing obliquely that brings you under heavy suspicion. That’s when you tried to find a reason to be mad at me, and hilariously, the worst you could find was my criticism of Alicia Pain, as though I was somehow involved. Of course, this makes sense to you. You do that. You criticize Neal and Brett but you are their friends. You claim you’re Patterico’s buddy but claim everything he says came from hackers.

    But I was genuine in my criticisms, and that’s obvious. Your attacks on Neal however a beandog feel to them. They are silly and unpersuasive, and so much less intense than you attacks on innocent people who are Neal’s fierce critics.

    Patterico, knowing Ron’s IP would likely do me no good anyway, but I greatly appreciate that you would help me in any way you can. It’s mutual. I worry that if I know his IP he will accuse me of all manner of new crimes, and it will only be more plausible. I don’t have any use for this information. His ISP is not going to care about this.

    Ron’s old crimes are not relevant either. He deserves to have them broadcast, though. I think his present activity is far more damaging to his credibility.

    There aren’t even any incoming links on the Wikipedia upload page, so it’s impossible for Dustin to come to this blog from that link. It is being used to DDOS attack this very site.

    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/1/2011 @ 5:19 pm

    Obviously. Your browser sends user agent and referral data. Mine sends what I tell it to send. For some time I changed mine to claim I was referred to any page I download by a beautiful picture of the interior of St Peter’s Basilica. This is the opposite of hiding (it highlights me), but it was not a security measure. I just don’t see the point in one website knowing the last website I was at. I could just as well send the root URL of any website I visit instead (a smart setting, btw).

    You already know all this. You are lying to claim you thought I was hacking you. This picture exists on two websites in identical form. Anyone can run a hash and see it’s the same file. This file is five years old. You claim it’s a sophisticated vicious file that has hacked a variety of your systems, and you are lying.

    You claimed I was a terrorist because of my ethnicity and deleted that comment when I called you out, changing it to ‘I’m just inquiring if he’s in Al Qaida’. Now you say it’s clear I’m not a terrorist traitor to my country, and you offer no apology. You were lying the entire time you claimed to think I was a terrorist.

    You have told lies about many people, and 99% of the reaction is that you are stupid. This is fair, but I am furious that you are helping confuse and distort this story with the intention of helping criminals (of which you are one) mask what they are doing, much as Neal masked his crimes with beandogs asserting all manner of harassment and crimes worse than he really did during the last twittergate.

    I do not ask Patterico to delete anything, and I’ve never asked him to delete anything. I’ve never asked him to ban anyone. Occasionally I’ve written him to support someone who others are asking to ban, often someone I disagree with.

    I’m not like you Ron. I do not try to destroy a normal dialogue.

    I know you are not crazy, Ron. I know you are completely aware of just how harmful and nasty and wrong your lies are. I am proud to be your enemy.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2550. Ron, you want to point out Dustin’s location and accuse him of crimes and then be immune yourself to turnabout. I’ll say again…he referred obliquely to the posting of your info, but it was your reply to him that reiterated your police record.

    It occurs to me that a form of the beandog strategy is being employed by one or more here. Try to bait people into more and more reaction, to try to make them become as unhinged as you are. Luckily, that’s too far for most of us to go 😉

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2551. ““You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies.”
    -Doctor Who”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2552. Or so I’ve been told..no! Perhaps Dustin..aka Clyde is also DaleysRock…so, in reality *koff* he’d be a Dusty Rockin’ ClydesDale..?

    LOL. LOL.

    I appreciate the injections of humor. As usual, my comment has a few typos.

    If anyone has a sincere question about my involvement with anything, please ask directly. I am not a player in this crap aside from criticizing three of the players in this crap.

    I have a question: is my concern that his posting my IP relates to my cable modem’s failure a realistic concern? I’ve been looking over the logs of my router’s firewall and software firewall and nothing seems to be happening. I can’t see the log prior to my cable modem’s problems.

    How likely is it that someone could flood another user offline?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2553. I’d just like to point out that this thread is now officially longer than War and Peace. I hope Colonel Haiku will cover 2600, which I feel compelled to point out is a number of significance to the hacking community.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2554. Dustin, anyone knowing your IP could try to flood it. Perhaps you could ask your ISP if they see unusual activity, or just request that they change it.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2555. My expunged arrest was trying to help my sister who was abducted and raped.

    Seriously, how many socks calling me a criminal for that are going to be believed? Ridiculous.

    And Patterico makes a reference in this very thread about the illegality of leaking expunged arrests…and of course it’s illegal to even refer to one…and it’s unAmerican and against our entire justice system.

    And what does Aaron Worthing know about my Twitter account? My tweets were fine until he made weird tweets claiming you can only read my account when unsigned out.

    Aaron is playing games with hackers. And socks have stopped referring to my tweets about Neal Rauhauser because they know something funny is going on with them.

    Also, Dustin keeps referring to something regarding Patterico’s family he shouldn’t even know about.

    You hackers do realize that I haven’t peeped a word about the phone call only because I was asked; Much different than Lee Stranahan’s reason.

    Patterico knows I am trying to help him.

    Let the police figure it out, I don’t care what socks say.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2556. much as Neal masked his crimes with beandogs asserting all manner of harassment and crimes worse than he really did during the last twittergate.

    Worse is the wrong word.

    Few things on twitter that I can imagine are worse than what Neal really did, which was organize some of the most awful comments, scaring people that monsters would rape their children.

    Instead of worse, I wish I had typed ‘more absurd’. Things that Neal points to to laugh at the people who were not horrified by the Soros hacking their real estate crap, but by the real racism and real hatred.

    It’s an infantile defense.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2557. Dustin why would I be mad at Alicia who doesn’t exist?

    I believe you are Alicia, since the record was expunged and you referenced it after Patterico deleted it (any other reasonable person would assume it was you in the first place since you did that) which is why I posted your IP address.

    Let the cops figure it out.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2558. Dustin and the socks are absurd.

    This entire page is full of them smearing and threatening innocent women.

    I don’t know why they keep posting here since they know Patterico doesn’t believe a word they write.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2559. Ron just look out your
    window don’t the first thing you
    see look just like me?

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2560. Ronbryn is bugfucknutz.

    JD (318f81)

  2561. “And Patterico makes a reference in this very thread about the illegality of leaking expunged arrests…and of course it’s illegal to even refer to one…and it’s unAmerican and against our entire justice system.”

    You keep writing things that are not true.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2562. Ronbryn is completely insane.

    JD (318f81)

  2563. Ron

    Dustins not a hack, Aarons not a hack

    Honestly,

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  2564. Annd you thought my Palin obseesion was the new bottom of the internet didnt you JD

    Come on fess up,,,

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  2565. And people thought I was the only one who had an open velcro strap on my last bungie jump

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  2566. This will be my only response to anyone else here…but I might still defend myself against Dustin’s lies.

    But SPQR, I was referring to this comment above by Patterico left LAST MONTH in a thread left open so that you hackers could dig yourselves holes.

    Patterico wrote, “All public record to be sure” because I explained what the arrest was to him in our first phone call, and it was a sly reference to the record being EXPUNGED.

    And, Dustin and the rest of you evil scumbags still leaving comments on this thread, did a real slimy thing by socking as Goatsred who had the same crap pulled on him.

    Of course he wouldn’t defend that…and Mike, Gennette, Patrick and Greg are my friends and Dan Wolfe is my source…so stop SOCKING FOR THEM! None of them would be posting comments on this thread, especially Patterico.

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/comment-page-105/#comment-813886

    I deleted a comment that purported to post personal information for Ron Brynaert.

    For some reason the whole thing reminded me of the way The Smoking Gun treated Mike Stack.

    All public record to be sure.

    Hi Neal!

    Comment by Patterico — 6/30/2011 @ 10:15 pm

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2567. Ron, get help, you really do need it.

    And its still not illegal.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2568. My expunged arrest was trying to help my sister who was abducted and raped.

    You are a liar, Ron. Why would we believe this?

    Show me some evidence. Everything you say shows you are a compulsive and amazing liar. You just can’t help but tell the most horribly dramatic lies about everything you talk about.

    Would Ron make something like that up? Yes.

    I believe you are Alicia, since the record was expunged and you referenced it after Patterico deleted it (any other reasonable person would assume it was you in the first place since you did that) which is why I posted your IP address.

    Let the cops figure it out.

    A reasonable person would assume I was posting information about you, and then having that information deleted. Why? To what end? I didn’t disclose that I had contacted Patterico about the comment until you claimed I left the comment.

    This entire page is full of them smearing and threatening innocent women.

    You claim I threatened women in this thread? What in the hell are you talking about? Oh wait. You pretend I’m anything bad you see, and most of the time it wasn’t really that bad and you’re lying about it.

    Just like you are about Alicia, right? You were mad that I noted a fact about you that you know was a huge mistake on your part, and then suddenly you were mad about a stale comment I made criticizing Alicia Pain. With no sane basis, you claim I’m Alicia, but I think you’re Alicia because you have made no effort to find that person. You haven’t sought the IP that left that comment and followed through with whatever proxy service they used. I bet you haven’t contacted law enforcement about this. You left that comment.

    If you hadn’t left that comment, you wouldn’t be willing to blame it on me and let your enemy escape. It’s just too obvious you know you’re lying about me, yet again.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2569. I appreciate the injections of humor. As usual, my comment has a few typos.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/1/2011 @ 6:35 pm

    Dustin,

    My intent was to make you smile, glad I was able to. Never you mind about simple typos (or having a mild case of what I call “typoglycemia”)…someone else(ronkoffron) seems to have a virulent case of “pseudo-paranoiditis”….also referred to as “dramatica regina magnus”. The badge of “Proud Member of the Tin Foil Asshattery Brigade since 2011” stamped on his forehead is a dead give away…

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2570. Dustin is really panicking because now the feds have his IP address.

    Only a madman would accuse someone of lying about being arrested arguing with the police after their sister was abducted and raped.

    I’ve kept that secret for over twenty years, but had to reveal it BECAUSE OF YOU…not because of Alicia Pain, since Patterico deleted her comment.

    My arrests were expunged…only thugs would call someone a criminal.

    I’m so honest I’m revealing that I HAD TWO EXPUNGED ARRESTS!!!

    Seriously, Dustin, the feds are gonna catch you and even Neal Rauhauser wouldn’t just call me a liar for referring to my sister’s rape and abduction. You’re an animal.

    Ask Liberty Chick to call the Florida police department and probe if you need to…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2571. Ronbryn is completely insane.

    Comment by JD — 8/1/2011 @ 6:55 pm

    If he is, then at least I did try pretty hard to reach out to him to get help.

    But I don’t think he is. When he messes up, he gets sane very quickly. He knows the things he is saying aren’t possibly true.

    Ron, you are a criminal. I had no idea until you admitted your crimes were expunged, but your saying so proves they happened.

    You know where I live now, little man, so call the police department and let them know I am talking about your expunged criminal record. Show them all the comments I’ve made referencing it. Hell, show them Alicia Pain’s comments too.

    Of course, you know damn well you’re lying. You don’t think this is a crime. You think you’re a better con artist if people think you’re crazy. A smart con artist will want people to think they are stupid, but you’re a stupid con artist so you want people to think you’re crazy.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2572. Gennette —I think I can back up what you are saying about someone trying to push the Breitbart framed Weiner angle. ( it was used on me too) . If you want to, Patrick can be the middle man or you can follow me.
    Let me know….

    goatsred (b20383)

  2573. Only a madman would accuse someone of lying about being arrested arguing with the police after their sister was abducted and raped.

    Actually, anything very extreme that you say I’m going to assume is probably a lie. If you don’t like that, you need to back it up with evidence.

    Sorry, liar, but when you lied about me 100 times I decided you do not tell the truth. Every criminal probably has some lie excuse for what they did.

    And no, I’m not panicking. The idea I was hiding my IP so the feds wouldn’t find it is very amusing, considering you are the guy who proved I do not make any effort whatsoever to hide my IP. The guy who owns that IP is really named Dustin.

    Please, tell me the name of a single person in law enforcement you have talked to about this. I would be overjoyed for them to get to know me.

    They will not have to hear my excuse for my criminal record as I have no criminal record.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2574. Gennette —I think I can back up what you are saying about someone trying to push the Breitbart framed Weiner angle. ( it was used on me too) . If you want to, Patrick can be the middle man or you can follow me.
    Let me know….

    Comment by goatsred — 8/1/2011 @ 7:20 pm

    Gennette, please do not let my drama with this idiot interfere with your meaningful pursuit of truth with these other good folks. People will skip over the riff raff, so don’t feel interrupted.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2575. I spoke to Deputy District Attorney John Patrick Frey, told my lawyer to contact the police, told my listener to contact the police, and on July 7, after I realized you guys had hacked my emails, too, and panicked because I gave you the names of family members and secret sources, asked a copy shop to call the police and gave them my name, called 911 and asked to be transferred to FBI, went to a former job of mine and asked the woman behind counter to call FBI, she refused so others called 911 and I told them to tell the police my name and that they have my info because I used to work here, I also tweeted the Secret Service and on Saturday night I left my message about Neal on the website for the FBI as my laptop cache will show.

    When I was waiting for a police detective from Mass to call me during the last week of June, all the cell phone coverage in my area mysteriously went out…Patterico agreed on our phone call that that might have been hackers.

    My phone is hacked and so are my emails..and the haiku guy keeps leaving menacing references to watching me outside my apartment. Some of these monsters – like Jeff – have referred to killing my cat.

    I am literally DYING to speak to the FBI and Secret Service and the deputy district attorney and my scared sources.

    If you were able to intercept that FBI note, Dustin, it is a crime. Or somebody else did, and it’s a crime.

    The Deputy District Attorney can surely have me arrested if he wants.

    Eric of course isn’t leaving comments here and it’s fucking absurd you socks keep talking about following each other when even the Anonymous hackers on Twitter openly warn not to do that.

    I’ll come back tomorrow and respond to more lies, Dustin, if you want, but this is my last comment here tonight.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2576. Dustin, imo he is just trying to intimidate you. However, I can see why it would be disturbing (that’s the intent). I actually mention up thread that Ron wanted people to click his links so he could see what he could see.

    If I were you I would firstly not get too worried. All they know right now is close to where you live. Secondly I would become proactive in case they find your name. Got an old Myspace that Google would bring up? Close it. Same for Flickr etc. If you have to have something up in your name change your icons if they are pictures of you.

    Thirdly, use hidemyass if you absolutely want to click one of his garbage links or anyone else who posts a link you don’t trust in all this.

    noodles (3681c4)

  2577. Ron, I am not your friend whatsoever. I have really had it with you and your BS. Do not talk about me in any way,shape or form.
    Don’t talk about any incident that you have heard about through third hand sources.
    Im posting here because the only time your name is mentioned is when you show up to post. You also promised “one post only”.
    So take your meds and STFU about me forever. I am not a sock, and especially NOT YOUR FRIEND. I ABHOR YOU. Spend your time out of the asylum looking for a job.
    Maybe I should start tying the coincidences in my life to some of the comments you’ve just made here?
    Not sure.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2578. People need to remember that these people are trolls. They are having a blast doing this. The only end game they might have (besides possible LE interactions) is when people stop paying attention to them.

    noodles (3681c4)

  2579. It looks like Ron has ‘outed’ two people on this thread. He outed wittier by name. And now he has outed Dustin by ip address. Outing two people that are interested in getting some answers. ?????

    jmel44 (d9a8f5)

  2580. Dustin, get in touch with me…I know that you dont use Twitter so use my throwaway email account to get in touch..(if you want to)
    sbgmikeytons at gmail dot com

    Think it would be beneficial.
    Genette, you can use this one too.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2581. thanks for the insightful tips Noodles.

    I sorely wish I had not been goaded into clicking his links. Sorely sorely sorely.

    I knew better. He was posting headlines about me that practically demanded I click, but I should have used something like your ‘hidemyass’ service (which I have bookmarked).

    I want to highlight one thing. Ron is noting I know something he doesn’t understand how I know. But the only thing I said was there is something very suspicious about Ron. That alone is enough that he knows I’m not full of bologna. And my first saying that was the true moment he started trying to intimidate me.

    It’s been effective social engineering, though crude, to accuse someone of nastier and nastier stuff until they click your link. But it’s my fault too, and if what’s happened to other families happens to mine I will know I should have been more careful if I wanted to get involved.

    Mea culpa.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2582. “My arrests were expunged…only thugs would call someone a criminal.”

    Ronny – Comedy Gold coming from someone who called somebody here a terrorist based on no information.

    Don’t give up your day job or lack thereof.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2583. Mike, I contacted you at 9:58 pm with an email address beginning with a J. I took my last name off it a while back.

    Yeah, I know, silly.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2584. Yeah, I know, silly.

    Comment by Dustin — 8/1/2011 @ 8:11 pm

    No, its not silly Dustin. But it does sadden, and hell, anger me that you felt the need to have to dance those steps- just to send a simple email.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2585. NP Dustin. You just have to think how they will if they find your name. You can Google your name and email address to see what they will most likely see. They will Google your name and town together etc. etc. Then they will check Facebook and Myspace and any nickname associated with any of them. Then the White pages and sites like 123 or whatever it is.

    There is a lot you can do now to stop some of the bleeding if it happens even if it’s just setting things you use to private.

    Another useful tip for people is using your onscreen keyboard for passwords and stuff as key-loggers are often used by people like this.

    noodles (3681c4)

  2586. Got it and replied Dustin.

    And noodles, I agree 100% that he should not have to dance around like that, but scumbag trash like that make it necessary.

    goatsred (b20383)

  2587. After averaging 90-150 hits a day, I only got 20 since writing about Dustin.

    Can you access my tweets and blog, socks?

    If you don’t answer the question, then it’s obvious that you are involved in the hacking.

    Remember…Patterico is watching…and so are his real conservative readers.

    Strange edits at Wikipedia on the picture which I claim is sending DDOS attack and Dustin is using for his avatar at Dust92

    djbd v s zjd v fjdf sjcv sv dsjvb sd s kvbsj js dd vskj sd vjs vsb k vsbdvsbvs;ovs; ; .. .’ . .’ djdifvv

    and

    ,fd fhnf j djv jxbjd bncv h drhhhhhhsdkkkkk dcfj,

    were removed today: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Peter%27s_Basilica&action=historysubmit&diff=442626145&oldid=442613236

    Plus, sometime between July 30 and August 2, there were 3 “intermediate actions by one user not shown”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=St._Peter%27s_Basilica&action=historysubmit&diff=442626145&oldid=442139787

    Just a coincidence, Dustin?

    Dustin’s tweets are almost all lies or phony excuses:

    “You called him Clyde. I quoted you. That’s mighty evidence I’m a hacker, Ron? AFAIK, linking Wikipedia doesn’t launch DDOS’s.”

    I made one typo, Dustin knows the name is Cyde but he and socks keep saying Clyde because that’s what they do. They can argue, but Patterico knows the M.O. of socks, since we discussed it on phone.

    “@ronbryn Also, I see you deleted your racist claim that because of my nationality I must be in al qaeda. Now you’re just ‘inquiring’.”

    Absurd. I don’t delete any tweets, unless I spell something wrong, then I repost it. I said you might be Qaeda because of your involvement in Draw Mohammed Day, and then when you said you had more Muslims in your family I noted that, too.

    Research, a little, bozo, my favorite book is “The Autobiography Of Malcolm X” my favorite living author is Toni Morrison and the only true activism I ever did was to help Muslim girls who were being – I thought – unfairly deported:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/04/09/105496/-UPDATEFBI-Detain-2-16-year-old-Girls-as-suicide-bombers

    “@ronbryn Everyone be wary about clicking Ron’s links. That’s how he learned my IP address and why he is smearing me.”

    That tweet is implying I’m posting viruses instead of links to evidence, plus I discovered his IP address on the Patterico sitemeter and Googled and found a comment with his name on a right wing blog matched with is IP, as Dustin knows.

    “@ronbryn accused me of dozens of things, and never shows any non-stupid evidence. Crazy? Or pretending to be while he smears nice people.”

    Yeah, you’re real nice, Dustin. This thread proves it. And my evidence is all stupid. Thoughtful, well argued tweet.

    “@jeffeneff Also, his screenshot of my access to his website shows I viewed it twice. That’s his DDOS. And he’s hosted by google’s blogger.”

    Another lie. The screenshot shows him going to Patterico, not my blog.

    “@ronbryn already deleted his single reply to me. He’s smeared me over hundreds of tweets. I ask him why, and he ignores it and blocks me.”

    Another lie. I tweeted lots of replies to Dustin…and have it saved on my browser. If he is deleting tweets or preventing others from reading them, it’s more proof he hacks. Of course, I didn’t delete any tweets I sent.

    “@ronbryn @Patterico No, I did not view this idiot’s blog for years. His own ‘evidence’ shows I’ve only viewed it twice, which is true.”

    That tweet has nothing to do with anything since the sitemeter i posted shows Patterico’s site…and the “only viewed it twice” makes no sense at all..it shows one visit by him and says nothing about how many times he visited a site ever. If Dustin wants me to post sitemeter pictures GOING BACK YEARS showing his hits from Georgetown, Texas to my site, I will.

    I’m assuming Dustin also uses the John Dean Sluggo handle since he seems to have a longtime grudge against me.

    And it’s really low to keep using Goatsred as a sock…And stupid since NJ law enforcement officials are almost definitely monitoring this website.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2588. Also, I’m supposed to get an email anytime anyone mentions my name on twitter.

    But I only got one, even though Dustin the hacker sent TWENTY-THREE TWEETS TO ME LAST NIGHT!!!

    http://twitter.com/#!/Dust92

    I don’t always get tweets from the hacked Patterico either…or many of the socks.

    I get tweets that mention me in my email from people I banned and reported for spam, still, but not from all you socks.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2589. fear not ron brynaert
    colonel tweeting you right now
    from toilet central

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2590. da doo ron ron ron
    da doo ron ron

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2591. A follow-up question on yesterday’s discussion involving Gennette.

    1) Gennette said that Nikki had emailed her indicating that Breitbart was behind the alleged hacking of AW.

    This would indicate that A) Nikki was trying to frame Breitbart….or that B) Nikki just believed what she read in the press at the time. (We haven’t seen the email, so can’t tell if B) is a plausible read of it.)

    2) Goatsred related a corroborating experience.

    3) Gennette also said,

    “However, I looked at that as someone [Nikki] trying to make it SEEM like Breitbart was being framed… versus someone [Nikki] actually trying to frame him.
    Whoever was behind Nikki was trying to get me to push the hacking theory but I don’t think it was for Weiner’s benefit.”


    4) There were follow-up questions to clarify our understanding of what Gennette meant, but the replies mostly support that A) Nikki wanted Gennette to believe that Breitbart, et al, were involved in hacking and anti-Weiner plotting and that B) Nikki wanted Gennette to push that theory against Breitbart.

    What I haven’t found is clarification on Gennette’s intuition in 3) that this was only Nikki wanting to make it seem like AB was being framed, versus Nikki pushing that Breitbart was scheming against their mutual friend, @RepWeiner.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2592. When I was waiting for a police detective from Mass to call me during the last week of June, all the cell phone coverage in my area mysteriously went out…Patterico agreed on our phone call that that might have been hackers.

    Actually, I think I remember a time during our phone call when you either left or had your service disrupted about 45 minutes into our hour-long call the morning of July 1. It only lasted 3-5 minutes. Is that what you’re talking about?

    Patterico (a839cd)

  2593. I am attempting a DDOS attack against my own computer as we speak.

    I’ll let everybody know how it turns out.

    I love it when Ronny shifts into manic mode.

    How stoopid does he think everybody out there is who reads his crap? He acts just like Obama – Nonstop lies.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2594. When my cell phone coverage goes out, I usually blame “hackers”. Like the “hackers” that built the long tunnel I drive through on weekend fishing trips … the hackers who built a deep basement in my house with rebar concrete that blocks cell signals and the hackers who just decided that the area east of town didn’t have any customers and so needed no cell phone towers built …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2595. Anyone know what Ron Brynaert, Brett Kimberlin and Brad Friedman all share a fondness for?

    Whacked out, batsh*t crazy, conspiracy theories only brain dead, die hard, progtards would believe.

    Oh Noes..the haxxors..they are coming…..goodbye…

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2596. NY Alderman starts sending nekkid pics to young chicks

    Alderman get to be Congressman

    Continues sending nekkid pictures to young chicks

    The chicks between to tweet and the nekkid congressman sends them a treat

    The treats get intercepted and given to Breitbart

    And now its Patterico’s hackers fault?

    dustin is now sideways

    Patterico is hacked

    Daleyrocks will be playing the role of denying himself

    and getting to 3000 comments has never been so bizarre

    Can anyone say Senator or President Weiner?

    EricPWJohnson (d84fb0)

  2597. “And then not long after that Congressman Weiner’s account gets cracked, someone posts an off color picture under his name, and slime merchant Andrew Breitbart tries to make something of it.”

    Neal – July 25

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2598. koam @wittier – True, except for the small part about Weiner’s account getting cracked.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2599. Who’s “someone?” and reporters had obligation to cover because a US Congressman claimed he’d been hacked and his accounts manipulated by others. That’s news by any standard.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2600. LOL, seriously:

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/#comment-825668

    The LA Deputy District Attorney remembers both our phone conversations…and I guess the hackers weren’t able to hear anything we discussed either time…since they keep posting ridiculous things that the real Patterico would never say….like the above which was also discussed in our second phone call (the hackers know about that interference on the first call since they were responsible for it, as we both agreed on call #2).

    That’s the last time I’ll say anything about our calls… Again, not because I can’t – like Lee – but because I’m doing all I can to help track down the threateners.

    The entire purpose of this thread was to test to see why socks weren’t considering my theories.

    Duh…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2601. OK, Patterico, I thought you were wrong about Ron faking insanity. But you are right, his Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/2/2011 @ 9:02 am looks like a poor job of someone faking being nuts.

    Not a mental health professional, but you and I deal with a lot of nuts in our jobs.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2602. Gennette, what Koam asked is what confused me, too. If I take your clarification as the ‘final word’ it makes what you said prior seem incongruous. I know that trying to communicate this convoluted stuff coherently can get crazy.

    Is there any reason not to post the email, or even just that portion of it? I can’t believe you’re holding back because you still harbor some doubt Nikki is a sock?!

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2603. Also, I’m supposed to get an email anytime anyone mentions my name on twitter.

    But I only got one, even though Dustin the hacker sent TWENTY-THREE TWEETS TO ME LAST NIGHT!!!

    You screamed “BLOCKED” after the first one, idiot liar.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2604. I’m disappointed that Ron hasn’t called me a sock yet.

    Even if Ron is faking being crazed (which is starting to seem more likely, okay… more than starting), I still suggest he get some help. Anyone who would engage in these behaviors as a political tactic has issues needing attention. And a good whipping from Mom or Dad.

    It’s telling that Ron returned as he faded to irrelevancy. Deep down, he thinks his biography will be a best-seller. Or maybe not so deep, eh Ron? Call it “Hero in His Own Mind”.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2605. Hey, Stashiu3? I trust your mad skillz. Is this “sparticvs” one of the Previously Banned, or a new netlouse?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  2606. “and I guess the hackers weren’t able to hear anything we discussed either time”

    Ronny baby, who are these hackers you keep talking about? Hacking phone lines is a crime. You have not presented any evidence of phone hacking. It sounds like you are just making sh*t up as a deflection.

    Can you provide the police report where you reported your phone hacking issue?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2607. Comment by Simon Jester — 8/2/2011 @ 9:22 am

    I can’t say at this point. I will say that he’s demonstrated how unserious he is and no matter how outrageous the comment, he should not be responded to with anything other than non sequiters.

    On a related note, I spent a significant amount of time making sure Chris Hooten and all his socks go straight to spam. He’s gotten rather hysterical. Heh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2608. @wittier
    I’m sorry, it’s very difficult to explain my reasoning. There are a few things though that I feel I’m sure of…
    1) The Reids are anti-Weiner and have tried very hard to make it look like they were pro-Weiner. For instance, “Marianela” came forward saying that she had DMs that showed that Weiner was flirting with girls online and that he was talking to HS girls… because of this “Mrs Reid” and “Nikki” come out condemning Marianela/ supporting Weiner… but we all know that Nikki and Marianela are the same person.
    Also, JR9 pretended to be pro-Weiner and pretended to be supportive of him… but he released DMs where I told Nikki that I had flirted with AW (which I confirmed that I had sent, attempting to get Nikki to talk to about AW). But when I explained those DMs and the explanation was generally accepted JR9 conveniently had new, more scandalous DMs from me about AW (which were fabricated).
    2. Also, I do believe that JR9 and Dan Wolfe are the same person.
    3. And Dan Wolfe used Goatsred.

    But again, its difficult to explain my reasoning.

    @Goatsred
    I’ll have that email to you within the hour.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2609. I’m thinking, once again, that Patterico is right about a lot of stuff.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2610. @Jeffeneff
    I’ve never once doubted that Nikki was a sock… I don’t know where that came from? I knew before everyone and I’ve always tried to let people know that we were wasting our time by treating these people as if they were real.
    I think what you might be referring to is when I felt bad thinking that the real identity behind Nikki was the young JG… but I’ve always known Nikki was fake.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2611. Always trust content from Patterico’s.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2612. “On a related note, I spent a significant amount of time making sure Chris Hooten and all his socks go straight to spam. He’s gotten rather hysterical. Heh.”

    Stashiu3 – Suh-weet! Milky nostril squirts and everything, as Chrissie would say.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2613. Ronny baby, a serious person would report his hacking and DDOS issues to the proper authorities.

    You have offered no evidence that you have taken any such steps.

    You are not a serious person.

    You are a criminal and a cyber thug.

    Instead you deflect, deflect, deflect and threaten, threaten, threaten.

    In case you pretend to be too stupid to understand, this comment is not a threat.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2614. Jeez! Hooten is still trying?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  2615. Gennette, yes to the last thing you said about the reason for my bad terminology. I am then understanding you don’t want to post the email out of some level of empathy for Nikki because of some feeling she is… young? female? was jilted by AW?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2616. @Gennette Thanks. Good to throw aside some stuff.Looking forward to it.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2617. @Jeffeneff
    ?? There’s been some miscommunication. I don’t really care about Nikki at all at this point. Nor do I believe (anymore) that there is a chance that the person behind Nikki is young and female.
    I just always feel a little weird about making information, that only I possess, public. It has nothing to do with Nikki. I’m sharing it with Goat because I feel like he was set up.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2618. Hey Goat,
    I emailed you, I’m just waiting for a response before I send Nikki’s email.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2619. Good question, daleyrocks.

    Ron already told us he’s reported this to the police. I have offered to contact any law enforcement he names and talk to them about this.

    Ron ignored that.

    BTW, everyone already saw the file Ron is claiming hacked him, prior to Ron doing whatever he’s talking about happening today. The file sat there untouched for several years. If it’s changed, that’s not me. I have never touched wikipedia’s pictures.

    I don’t know Clyde, however Ron spells it. I don’t want another soul harassed by Ron, but I can helpless to stop him. I’m not following his links when Ron’s saying they prove I’m a terrorist or a hacker. I can safely deny that without cite checking it.

    Stashiu is surely correct that Ron has some issues. They just aren’t that he’s delusional and paranoid about hackers and terrorists. His making that all up is obviously telling about his character and intelligence. I think the reason he lashed out at me instead of those being more forceful my politeness indicates weakness to him. Like with that pastor and his family, beandogs think the nice guys can be bullied more easily. They are probably right. Obviously he’s gotten under my skin, while many others have just laughed it off.

    I don’t know what your mental problems are, Ron, but you are a criminal loser who pretends to be crazy in order to harass people. Probably not much of a lady’s man, then.

    On another note:

    Twitter was OK with people talking about raping kids. After Neal admitted coordinating massive harassment and boasted he is a ‘hacker’ of twitter with spam bots, Twitter did not cancel his account. Even though the harassment Neal bragged about was vile and nasty and very aggressive.

    So I knew that Twitter would see no problem with Ron’s pretend delusions about me. But I did write them to document they were informed this. They read over Ron’s entire diatribe and specifically noted it is OK with them. I just want everyone to know that.

    Did we ever find out why Twitter kicked Empower Texans? I realize they apologized and undid the bannings. BTW, I encourage Texans to join for free and be informed on fiscal matters. They scare the crap out of the worst hacktivists, and after joining I can see why that is. They are real community organizers, laying out clear steps anyone can take. Like asking folks to go to their county and check time stamps on meeting agendas. Lots of little tips like that, and enough concerned citizens, and Texas can only get better.

    It’s a lot better than pretending Martin Frost was a hacker terrorist or whatever Ron would do in their shoes.

    [note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2620. Stash, I think my last comment was eaten by the filter.

    and no matter how outrageous the comment, he should not be responded to with anything other than non sequiters.

    That’s a tall order for me. Fortunately I wasn’t on twitter for 99% of it so I didn’t reply to every lie, but I wanted to. Obviously paying attention to Ron has only made things worse for me. I think others should pay attention to Stash’s advice with my contrary example as a good warning.

    Gennette, thanks for not letting this sideshow interfere with what you’re doing.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2621. Goats’ right that Gennette is impressive for throwing aside a lot of the static. Clearly the hope is that good folks will hate eachother, but that’s not necessary.

    And I think I understand Gennette’s concern for making more stuff public. For some reason, Tommy Christopher similarly did not want to make this public. When Lee referenced it, he said there were outrageous details.

    There seems to be something about this communication that adults just think shouldn’t be public.

    It’s pretty cool that she’s meeting us halfway here.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2622. Jeez! Hooten is still trying?

    Comment by Simon Jester — 8/2/2011 @ 9:48 am

    He financially supported Brad Blog, which is tied at the hip to Brett Kimberlin just as Raw Story is. I would be shocked if he weren’t trying right now.

    And Stef quoted above is specifically explaining she is active right now, trying to ‘get us back’ for hacking poor Weiner. Probably we should be wary of newish commenters who appear strangely hostile towards the good guys from a pose of objectivity. And ice cream.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2623. Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 10:18 am

    That particular comment was referring to spartacvs, but you’re right, it’s equally applicable to most of the trolls. 🙂

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2624. @Dustin
    Thank you. The email that I have, in my opinion, unfairly implicates certain people. And by making it public I feel like I would be perpetuating those allegations.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2625. Oh, I’m sorry for mistaking it. I’m scrolling past Ron’s and I guess I scrolled past the rest.

    Yeah, for spart it really is silly to try to debate the guy. Write a great response explaining his mistake and he’ll just say something unrelated and ignore you. We’ve either got a horde of trolls like that, or a couple who can’t take a hint and have a lot of coffee.

    For Ron, I do think people should be very careful before they bother with him. Don’t click a thing he types without using some kind of protection like Noodles very helpfully explained.

    Thank you very much for doing so much gruntwork for the blog, Stash.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2626. @Dustin
    Thank you. The email that I have, in my opinion, unfairly implicates certain people. And by making it public I feel like I would be perpetuating those allegations.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/2/2011 @ 10:47 am

    I believe you. Whoever is behind this has not been hesitant about collateral damage. To you, to minors, to other folks.

    Mike is a stand up guy, so you’re picking good people to trust.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2627. Ron, I’ve already hired a team to track down anyone who have acted with malice against me or claimed that I am in the porn industry.
    I also mentioned your name to them. I told them about your former job as a hot-shot editor, and conspiracy theorist.
    I told them when they encounter you, do not mention a “hacking cough”, a “wind sock” nor any allergies or “Dustin-g”.
    Their names are Detective’s Abbott and Costello.
    They can be trusted. They came highly recommended from Colonel Haiku.
    If the phone lines or routers go dead, just call The NYPD and ask for Sgt. Al Queda. He’s probably been monitoring this website, and knows your “threateners”.
    Last, but not least. Creedmore Psychiatric Center in Queens Village NY, has a great Doctor for you. Doctor Bombay.
    Good luck to you.
    Rod Serling

    goatsred (66819b)

  2628. Dustin said, “You screamed “BLOCKED” after the first one, idiot liar.”

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/comment-page-106/#comment-825712

    And I punk’d you, hacker. Fooled you. Tricked you. Made you fall for a trick…

    I didn’t block you until further along in the evening and you had already sent at least six at me before I even read the first one.

    I only got one email, proving you are a hacker.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2629. Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 10:47 am

    I don’t do nearly as much as I used to, but thanks. It’s more part-time for stress relief these days.

    Ron is barely on my radar. He’s really inconsequential. I don’t avoid him because I have concerns… just the opposite. I was briefly concerned for him when it appeared he might be sincerely ill. But his threats and accusations are safe to ignore, even though you are a target of his obsessions of late. He won’t follow through because he’s a coward and unworthy of consideration. And knows it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2630. Gennette–Got it and replied…Sorry took so long…Thanks.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2631. Is that a picture of you, Dustin, you look young:

    http://topsy.com/s?type=tweet&q=dust92

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2632. I didn’t block you until further along in the evening and you had already sent at least six at me before I even read the first one.

    Wait, you told me you blocked me, and that fooled me into… hacking your twitter to block my tweets about you?

    That’s your trick proving I’m a hacker?

    Or maybe you told two lies that contradicted eachother, Ron. You said you blocked me, and then said I thwarted you reading my tweets. You are a stupid con artist who tells hundreds of lies, so obviously your tangled web of lies is really stupid and incoherent.

    Your solution is to say you were lying then, not now, and this proves your second lie (even though it obviously doesn’t go anywhere near suggesting your second lie is correct).

    And you pose as crazy in order to illicit eyerolls instead of anger that you tell so many lies you can’t keep up with them.

    That’s what happened.

    Again, anyone who has concerns about me, related to what Ron has been saying (or not) is welcome to talk to me about them here. I don’t think anyone believes you Ron. Even people who aren’t inclined to like me do not believe you.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2633. I thought you said you didn’t have a twitter account, Dustin.

    SallyBerliana, who knows Mandarin Chinese and lives in Australia, welcomed you to Twitter on May 4.

    http://twitter.com/sallyberliana/status/65716460256899072

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2634. Please delete comment 2680 where Ron links a picture. I didn’t click it, but if it’s me I want it gone and if it’s not me I want it gone too because innocent people do not deserve that.

    [I put it in moderation and Patterico can decide to release it later if he likes… which I doubt. Ron, if you try to re-post it all your comments will be moderated. That includes any further attempts to “out” Dustin (or anyone else) here. –Stashiu]

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2635. “Ron already told us he’s reported this to the police. I have offered to contact any law enforcement he names and talk to them about this.”

    Clyde @2668 – I must have missed the above. What specifically did Ronny baby claim to have reported to the police? He has made so many crazed false allegations of illegal activities I have lost track of all his bogus deflections.

    I have no memory of him posting any police reports and trust nothing he says without documentation. He is a proven serial liar and fabulist, criminal and cyber thug.

    Do you have any links to what you describe?

    Ronny baby, just in case you are too stupid to understand, this comment is not a threat.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2636. whoah

    check out this link:

    http://topsy.com/twitter/dust92

    Click on the tweet from Dustin on the bottom and it only goes to sallyberliana!

    http://twitter.com/sallyberliana/status/65716460256899072

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2637. I thought you said you didn’t have a twitter account, Dustin.


    My twitter account is one day old.
    You know that, liar. I went for the shortest handle I could find in the off chance I would tweet often, so it appears another young man has used it in the past.

    I am not concerned with that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2638. LOL, you stole someone’s account, then…

    Or are you implying I’m making up links from May that can be seen at topsy? I’m taking lots of screengrabs, dustin.

    Now you see why I said 99 percent the other day…do you know Mandarin Chinese, too, and really live in Australia?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2639. Ron, you are pulling the same BS that you cry about others doing to you. What happened to the one post? What you are doing is harassing him. Bother others. That you can get a rise out of.
    If LE is watching here, then maybe I’ll make a call.
    Cut the crap.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2640. There’s absolutely no way to tell on the internet when an account was started, only internal Twitter servers can…there is phony info at wack sites that claim otherwise. One used by LS.

    Starchild111 account was opened in 2009 and hacked and stolen in 2010.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2641. I should have never stopped posting here, even though I believe a comment I left about Markos following Socratic might have been deleted.

    Now, that I’m backing up all my comments, I will continue to post here to help the real Patterico.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2642. LOL, you stole someone’s account, then…

    How?

    Twitter recommended the name to me when I typed ‘dust’ which was taken.

    That’s stealing an account? So you are actually admitting that I’m not this other person, while you also claim I am this person. Your lies are contradicting eachother.

    Daley, he has claimed he has reported me to the feds. I can’t recall exactly where. Twitter, I believe. It’s not worth it for me to read over his crap again. I’ll just find 50 new lies to debunk if I do.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2643. There’s absolutely no way to tell on the internet when an account was started, only internal Twitter servers can…there is phony info at wack sites that claim otherwise. One used by LS.

    Starchild111 account was opened in 2009 and hacked and stolen in 2010.

    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/2/2011 @ 11:26 am

    That’s not true. I googled the issue and a lot of people talk about a ‘created at’ field in the XML, and services that will easily check it for you.

    Took me all of 30 seconds to prove you are lying about me, Ron. The problem is that you have lied about me hundreds of times, so it takes hours to go through them all.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2644. So Ron, everyone are socks, except for this Twitter acoount that you “found” of Dustin?

    goatsred (66819b)

  2645. This tweet by Dust92 magically turns into a RT by Mandarin Chinese speaking SallyBerliana http://www.twitter.com/dust92/status/65717702219669504

    If that’s a coincidence, say so, Dustin.

    If you are accusing me of creating that, say so, Dustin.

    Answer this one comment, pretty please, to help Patterico.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2646. I meant to say RT turns into a tweet…

    And, Dustin, why are you still saying Clyde? It’s Cyde. Cyde Weys. Get it? Side ways. And it’s not a real name.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2647. 2676. Goatsred, that was hysterical.

    Gennette, I’m not sure I understand your reticence, as I think everyone here understands that it is a sock doing the accusing, but it’s your call. I’m glad you’re comparing notes with Goatsred, though; I don’t see how anything but good can come out of that.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2648. Please stop using goatsred as a puppet…his comments make no sense.

    “Twitter acoount that you “found” of Dustin?”

    At worst, it’s old comments by user before who ended his account, but since the tweet changes…it seems fishy.

    Dustin admits to using Dust92

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2649. Ronny baby, have you enjoyed making yourself into an internet verb?

    Let’s all play thorazine twister with Ron!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2650. Not one person here believes anything you say, Ron. None.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2651. So Ron, everyone are socks, except for this Twitter acoount that you “found” of Dustin?

    Comment by goatsred — 8/2/2011 @ 11:35 am

    It’s very similar to how he’s proved I’m a hacker because I use a normal ISP without making any effort to hide it. You know, just like a superhacker. But the truth is that there is hacking occurring, some does involve twitter though the worst stuff is not internet related. Ron knows this and has specifically made his mission to say things kinda related to what Neal (I believe) is doing, but made ridiculous.

    Now, when the truth comes out, the truth will sound so much like what Ron’s been saying. Only it won’t be lies, and Neal will be able to point to a smokescreen of nonsense, just as he does with the beandog accusations that were silly.

    Anyway, if Ron wishes to be here, the best use I can find for him is as an illustration of how far democrat activists go these days. Yes, Ron is a democrat activist. Look at his work. Whatever Kucinich wanted to say, Ron would report as though it’s just objective news. He’s a mouthpiece. He’s an embarrassment to the left, like Neal, and by now I do have to admit many on the left know that and want nothing to do with him. I welcome lefties who ordinarily would never agree with me to come here and note they find Ron’s tactics to be shameful.

    That’s how you keep this evil under control. You have to ostracize it. The left and the right have to do it, and I think the right tends to do a better job. Every Tea Party I’ve attended, if some kook says something violent or racist, everyone tells him to get the hell away from us. It’s very rare now, and usually it’s a phony.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2652. So…did anyone ever figure out what happened with NR over at Kos? His “mojo” says “banned,” whatever that means.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  2653. Please delete comment 2680 where Ron links a picture. I didn’t click it, but if it’s me I want it gone and if it’s not me I want it gone too because innocent people do not deserve that.
    [I put it in moderation and Patterico can decide to release it later if he likes… which I doubt. Ron, if you try to re-post it all your comments will be moderated. That includes any further attempts to “out” Dustin (or anyone else) here. –Stashiu]
    Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 11:11 am

    Fair warning Ron. Babble all you like, but stop trying to “out” people here. Nobody believes you or feels sorry for you anymore, so escalating your nonsense will not change anything.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2654. Yeah, that was very funny, Goatsred. I need to do a better job calling people by their handle.

    I don’t know this wikipedia user and have no wish to name him accurately. Ron wishes to include more confusion, so wants to name him accurately as many times as possible despite being unable to link me to him at all. He knows my IP… if that IP did anything on wikipedia he would link it.

    Ron claims it’s magic that some old tweet was retweeted, but I’m pretty sure it was just someone retweeting something. There isn’t a sinister thing about it, I’m sure, despite not having looked. With cross site script hacking, it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that you do not click Ron’s links from this blog, in case he is aware of a vulnerability with one of the two websites (this one and that one). If you do, don’t let javascript run, do not do it with two tabs open, do not use your real IP, and close that browser before doing anything else.

    But since after all that trouble I’m sure you see absolutely nothing, you probably should ignore Ron’s comments.

    He already admitted I’m not this old account he claims I stole. I already proved the account is one day old. He knows he is lying. He is probably trying to distract from his claim I hacked his account to block after he said he was blocking me. He is embarrassed that he is so unable to keep his lies straight, even for a few hours.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2655. My link in 2212 (Comment by Dustin — 7/16/2011 @ 10:22 pm) explains my concern about Ron’s urge to have everyone click on twitter links from here.

    Thank you Stash. I know when I engage Ron that it risks stuff you will need to clean up. I can only offer appreciation.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2656. Hey, Ben aka Cyde, someone doesn’t like you at Wikipedia…there is a really scathing article about you, full of pictures of you, Dustin.

    It’s really horrid…and offensive so I’m not linking to it but I took screenshots etc. I actually do feel sorry for you now since you are being smeared like Goatsred and me now. It says horrible things like linking you to porn.

    But the picture on your old Dust42 twitter is an older picture of you before you gained a lot of weight. The article at Wikipedia on Cyde shows the after photo…it’s clearly you, Ben.

    I lost 50 pounds in last year from sitting on my ass for 5 years straight working at Raw Story with WII Fit and Xbox Kinect, you should try that..and quit soda…drink lots of water and walk a lot.

    And you’re not conservative….

    [Close enough… you’re in moderation. –Stashiu]

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2657. And into the penalty box goes Ron.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2658. Comment by Gennette — 8/2/2011 @ 9:34 am

    Thanks for explaining, Gennette. I’m trying to figure this all out..getting of the “framing” concept, just for a moment, and responding to your reply above,

    1) You conclude the Reids are anti-Weiner.
    You cite as evidence of that conclusion an example that Marianela said (to @goatsred, I assume) that she had DMs that showed AW was flirting w/ girls & talking to HS girls. (And then cite how the Reids countered that as pretending to be pro-AW).

    How do those facts prove that the Reids/MA entity are anti-Weiner?

    Goatsred & the media didn’t get the DMs that MA was promising. You know that the DMS that you know to be “real” are easily refutable

    You were stringing Nikki along because you knew she was up to no good & you wanted to figure out what was up & potentially help defend AW against wrongheaded, malevolent sneaks online.

    Somewhat like Pat did later, you were trying to give the sock enough rope to hang herself, by playing along with her.

    If a plan to “get Weiner” made it from MA via Goatsred to Breitbart, and used your DMs as evidence, you’d have told whoever asked what your DMs were: a pretense to fool someone who you knew to be secretly working against someone you publicly & privately admired.

    You also cite the evidence that JR9 produced false DMs when he needed to.

    I’m trying to recall which ones those were. If the particulars of those matter, someone please point me to them or give some keywords so I can look them up. Otherwise we can just agree that Gennette says JR9 coughed up fakies when it became necessary, which “proves” that he lies at will. (Again I accept the assertion, arguendo.)

    But these also are cited as proof that the Reids existed to work against Weiner.

    What does matter is that JR9 produced these lies after Weiner was already gone.

    He shot the corpse. It’s a crime, but it ain’t murder. And it doesn’t prove he wanted the guy to be “dead.”

    If the Reids wanted to be anti-Weiner they would have done it more effectively much earlier when it was still unclear that Weiner was going to admit and, eventually, resign.

    Tommy’s key article which included the Reids’ statement came out before Weiner admitted to bupkis.

    Instead, at that time, when Weiner needed them most, and they held real power, they were publicly & forcefully pro-Weiner.
    Except, of course, for the fact that fake girls don’t really cause more damage to a guy who’s already in a heap of trouble — they just get exposed as fake girls.

    You had beliefs & deductions in this exchange, many of which may have been quite correct:

    Nikki was not who she said she was (assuming, arguendo, you were correct)
    Nikki was up to no damn good (also correct)
    Nikki & Marianella and other Reids are played by the same actor(s) (ditto)
    The reason for Nikki’s, et al, existence was related to Weiner (also correct)

    While other conclusions seemed correct, but can’t be pinned down…if they fit ones beliefs, they seem reasonable, but if we put the beliefs aside, they may not stand up to scrutiny:

    Nikki, because she was chatting it up with AW’s lady friends, must have been working against him

    You already knew that there were people online (Dan & co) working against Weiner, Perhaps these were more who were being a bit sneakier about it

    Marianela, because she reached out to #bornfreecrew, to publicize this via Bretibart, must have been doing this for the reasons she stated

    We can take that and selectively choose to believe it because it fits our theory, but that’s just being like another famous blogger who is intimately involved in this thing.

    Patterico adroitly called out Mrs. Preston & Tommy on their assumption that the Reid socks were anti-Weiner. Both conceded that they can’t be fully sure of Nikki’s motivations. But their shared beliefs on this drove the media headlines. The same media that echoed the story that Weiner had been hacked. But Patterico was right.

    None other than the possible puppetmaster tells us that the “simplest” thing is to just accept that the Reid clan was created to sting Weiner. But look who’s talking; of course he wants us to believe that. Those biases helped to maintain the master’s cover for weeks longer than necessary. And even now, the gang is still on the meme that Weiner was hacked.

    “And then not long after that Congressman Weiner’s account gets cracked, someone posts an off color picture under his name, and slime merchant Andrew Breitbart tries to make something of it.”

    Neal – July 25

    But, Gennette, you want what I want & what Patterico wants – and Jeff, and Dustin, and Joe, and SarahW, AZ5th, and elissa, and comrades from these pages long forgotten and long-confused or bored or scared off by Alicia Pain…or being outed by Preston (and several others) & turned into beandog food. You want to know who the hell is behind JohnReid9. But if you & everyone look at what I’ve laid out here, you, Gennette, have figured out a lot. You really have. You foiled the plot in a way by being far ahead of the story in concluding that Nikki was fake and not letting on to her. Weiner may not have taken the bait because you figured out something was fishy and tipped him off.

    But, like Tommy & Mrs P., you held onto the belief that Nikki simply must be against RepWeiner. And when you ask yourself, “Who wanted me to believe that?”
    “Who is still insisting that we believe that?”
    (For that matter, who’s still insisting that we believe AW was hacked?)

    Answer: The guy whose story gets exposed if we stop believing that motivation.

    If we think, “what if I was mistaken on just that little part of it? (the why), but right about the rest.”…it can become a lot more clear for all of us.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2659. Gennette said at 9:34 AM today:

    The Reids are anti-Weiner and have tried very hard to make it look like they were pro-Weiner. For instance, “Marianela” came forward saying that she had DMs that showed that Weiner was flirting with girls online and that he was talking to HS girls… because of this “Mrs Reid” and “Nikki” come out condemning Marianela/ supporting Weiner… but we all know that Nikki and Marianela are the same person.

    and

    Also, JR9 pretended to be pro-Weiner and pretended to be supportive of him… but he released DMs where I told Nikki that I had flirted with AW (which I confirmed that I had sent, attempting to get Nikki to talk to about AW). But when I explained those DMs and the explanation was generally accepted JR9 conveniently had new, more scandalous DMs from me about AW (which were fabricated).

    Koam and others seem to agree with the bolded conclusions, and they may be correct. But I don’t believe it’s accurate to say we know these are facts.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2660. @Wittier
    This is all intuition. I don’t believe that the Reids were pro-Weiner. I don’t see how that’s possible at all.
    I understand that you and I may have a different view of this situation…
    I genuinely want to figure out who is behind the Reids no matter what the outcome is… I have from the very beginning.
    I’ve found that it is imperative that I try to block out other people’s opinions about this situation because, in my mind, most people have some sort of agenda.
    Its nothing personal to you at all and it seems like you’ve put quite a bit of effort into forming and disseminating your theories but I need to trust my gut. Thats all.

    However, I’m always open to hearing everyone’s interpretations of what actually happened here. I’d love to hear yours.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2661. @DRJ

    I agree with you. Nothing that isn’t proven to be 100% factual should be taken as a fact… and in that case most of the things that we believe to be truthful surrounding DW and the Reids should not be considered “facts”.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2662. Comment by DRJ — 8/2/2011 @ 12:54 pm

    “Koam and others seem to agree with the bolded conclusions, and they may be correct. But I don’t believe it’s accurate to say we know these are facts.”

    I said to agree with those conclusions for the sake of argument, so that we could move on to the discussion of what the motivation was behind the birth of Nikki. The motivation is the most important part.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2663. koam,

    I recall you said above that you were agreeing to certain points in order to move the argument to the next issue. That’s a valid goal but I don’t want to lose sight of what we know and what we don’t know.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2664. Comment by Gennette — 8/2/2011 @ 12:58 pm

    This is all intuition. I don’t believe that the Reids were pro-Weiner. I don’t see how that’s possible at all.

    In response to my Comment by koam @wittier — 8/2/2011 @ 12:30 pm

    Thanks. I understand that this is your intuition (a word that I avoided using in my comment) and thanks for being open to discuss.

    Seems like we are aligned in wanting everyone who cares to discuss Nikki’s motivation at least. (If they can find it among the other mishegas.)

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2665. “But I don’t believe it’s accurate to say we know these are facts.”

    DRJ – You and I are on the same page there with respect to single person confirmation especially.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2666. Koam Wittier at #2704

    Let me make it easier. “Dan Wolfe” doesn’t exist. He tweeted that to Patterico the other day while taunting him that he could never be found.

    “Dan Wolfe” set up @goatsred from day one. “Wolfe” joined Twitter on January 6, and within 30 minutes was chatting up @goatsred and sticking to him like glue. “Dan Wolfe” targeted @goatsred. “Wolfe” needed the cover of Mike Stack’s established Twitter account and the cover of his Crew.

    “Dan Wolfe” burned @goatsred because “Wolfe’s” puppeteer knew that the media would seize on @goatsred as the villain in this thing, and poor, patriotic Wolfe, with all his personal problems, was less interesting, wasn’t he.

    In the email leaked to TSG, Fake Dan Wolfe made sure to get his alibi out there, while burning @goatsred and his DC contact, thereby ending that for @goatsred.

    Fake Dan Wolfe IS Fake John Reid, who is Fake Nikki Reid, who is Fake Marianela Alicea and family. “They” are the same sock entity using fake IP addresses, etc.

    @Wittier, you’ve put in a truly impressive amount of work on this thing, with hundreds of posts.

    I just don’t understand why someone whose life was *not* trashed by this thing (or touched by it) is so deeply invested in it. No one posts more on this. No one.

    @Wittier, you obviously don’t have to agree with Gennette, but don’t alienate her to the point where doesn’t come back here. She’s been useful. She doesn’t owe you an explanation as to why her opinion doesn’t comport with your theory. It’s her opinion.

    For two months, you’ve appeared to have an agenda or a stake in this thing, @Wittier. Because of that, I don’t think Gennette or Mike Stack should trust you.

    Joe (5807dc)

  2667. Thanks for the compliments on the Ron parody. It just hit me, like a dose of his Zoloft.
    Secondly,anyone here can call me Mike. There is no need to use the GR handle here.
    I am also glad that Gennette responded to my invitation and that hopefully we can help each other understand and solve some of this mystery together.
    I welcome her input as well as everyone’s here.

    Ron, I am Mike, the same person that spoke to you numerous times via Twitter until I could not stand any more. I am not a sock. If you want to give Pat some piece of info about me that would be hard to prove otherwise,let’s see if I can verify it or Patterico can.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2668. @DRJ and Daleyrocks
    I agree with both you. But the fact of the matter is that I do know more than basically everyone about Nikki and, of course, about my conversations with her (and with AW) and therefore I know which DMs are fabricated and which aren’t… I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything but I know what I know.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2669. We don’t know what many facts are, however, there are lines of reasoning to facts, and if separate lines of reasoning lead to the same facts we can have a bit more confidenmce in them. We can also see where certain assumptions lead to.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2670. Of course my theory is that Neal and his cohorts were using Nikki so that Gennette would document an effort by Breitbart to do something horrible to Weiner.

    One necessary feature of this mission would be the horrible part… the kids and the sexual communications. Its existence does show some degree of indifference to Weiner or kids (if any of the kids are real, and of course one of them may be and I suspect that’s why several are very cautious not to throw the floodgates open).

    Would Neal and his cohorts be indifferent to a risk to Weiner’s reputation if they thought it would harm Breitbart and Loesch? I think Neal tends to be overconfident, too. And zealous.

    For example, the beandogs coordination was happy to name real progressives. Neal was happy to note Rep Grijalva’s ‘Thank you’ (not for beandog activities, let me be clear, but just to Neal generally). Neal linking himself to Grijalva shows he’s not really aware of what it looks like for a decent person to be associated with an admitted hacker who coordinates nastiness on twitter.

    That is quite different, though from my theory here, where Neal and cohorts would pretend to be framing Weiner with inappropriate dealings with kids. I can see why Gennette hesitates to believe these people are friendly to Weiner. I can see why many have tried to figure out who hates both Breitbart and Weiner.

    I just assume Neal was confident he could prove Nikki is fake, I guess he hoped after Breitbart’s associates run with the story they did not complete. If it had worked, it would have lionized Weiner and protected him from the kind of more minor scandal Weiner was actually involved in.

    One problem with this is why would Nikki be reaching out to Tommy Christopher? Why not Lee Stranahan instead? If my theory is right, at some point they would have wanted to send photoshopped communication to a Breitbart affiliate, get it published, and then prove it was fake. Perhaps relying on Tommy was an effort to build credibility before the real pitch.

    Or perhaps I’m wrong, of course.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2671. @Wittier, you’ve put in a truly impressive amount of work on this thing, with hundreds of posts.

    I just don’t understand why someone whose life was *not* trashed by this thing (or touched by it) is so deeply invested in it. No one posts more on this. No one.

    @Wittier, you obviously don’t have to agree with Gennette, but don’t alienate her to the point where doesn’t come back here. She’s been useful. She doesn’t owe you an explanation as to why her opinion doesn’t comport with your theory. It’s her opinion.

    For two months, you’ve appeared to have an agenda or a stake in this thing, @Wittier. Because of that, I don’t think Gennette or Mike Stack should trust you.

    Comment by Joe — 8/2/2011 @ 1:28 pm

    This seems out of line to me. Koam has been very fair and I have really appreciated his points, especially when I don’t agree with them.

    I see not a shred from him that would alienate anyone, and I don’t see Gennette being careless anyway.

    It’s really easy to get a little paranoid. I could name a few theories about a few commenters here, but frankly it’s not helpful. The great suddenly got a lot smarter when Ron was shut up, and I really hope we can keep it that way. With all due respect, let’s debate other folks’ ideas instead of talk about the commenters directly, unless there is something tangible.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2672. typo

    great=thread

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2673. Dustin, my theory is that they were just playing games to get attention with no coherent purpose.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2674. Dustin, my theory is that they were just playing games to get attention with no coherent purpose.

    Comment by SPQR — 8/2/2011 @ 1:38 pm

    With the fake IDs and screwing over Gennette by her real name, as well as Mike by his real name if Dan is part of it…

    I can’t say you’re wrong. Maybe the confusion we have about this one aspect of motivation is the result of an intelligent strategy to be confusing. So that rules Ron out.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2675. 1) You conclude the Reids are anti-Weiner. You cite as evidence of that conclusion an example that Marianela said (to @goatsred, I assume) that she had DMs that showed AW was flirting w/ girls & talking to HS girls. (And then cite how the Reids countered that as pretending to be pro-AW).

    How do those facts prove that the Reids/MA entity are anti-Weiner?

    Goatsred & the media didn’t get the DMs that MA was promising. You know that the DMS that you know to be “real” are easily refutable

    You were stringing Nikki along because you knew she was up to no good & you wanted to figure out what was up & potentially help defend AW against wrongheaded, malevolent sneaks online.

    Somewhat like Pat did later, you were trying to give the sock enough rope to hang herself, by playing along with her.

    If a plan to “get Weiner” made it from MA via Goatsred to Breitbart, and used your DMs as evidence, you’d have told whoever asked what your DMs were: a pretense to fool someone who you knew to be secretly working against someone you publicly & privately admired….

    Comment by koam @wittier — 8/2/2011 @ 12:30 pm

    wittier, if gennette knew her DMs with Nikki regarding Weiner flirtations were fabrications on her (genette’s) part, why/how would that inhibit Marienela/Nikki from trying to push these DMs on the media in an effort to discredit Weiner?

    In other words, if they were taking Gennette’s fabrications at face value, then attempting to publicize them could be construed as anti-Weiner, no?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2676. “I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything but I know what I know.”

    Gennette – I very much appreciate your presence here. I disagree with your contention, however, about not trying to convince people about anything. Your arguments about Nikki being anti-Weiner, JR9 fabricating emails, and Nikki and Marianela being the same people are all attempts to convince people of things IMHO. That may not matter to you, but that’s the way I see it.

    In the case of the JR9 emails, we have only your word that they are fabricated and no independent confirmation. I am merely pointing out that fact, not making an allegation. You are an interested party in the saga.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2677. @SPQR
    If they were just playing a game for attention, that’s quite the game. I talked to Nikki every single day, from morning to night, for nearly a month (does that make me sound crazy? probably).
    I’m talking thousands of messages. I don’t know what kind of game that would be.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2678. “In other words, if they were taking Gennette’s fabrications at face value, then attempting to publicize them could be construed as anti-Weiner, no?”

    Greg – Potentially, but we don’t have all the emails, do we? Gennette admits she was lying in her communications to Nikki so anyone attempting to use those to smear Weiner or sting Breitbart would have had those blow up in their faces. It was public information that Weiner was following the porn star. What was fake was the DM’s Marianela claimed to have.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2679. Gennette,

    I agree you know which DMs are real and which are fake if you were a party to them, although I think it’s also possible you might not remember one or two since you said you frequently sent DMs. (Obviously the content of the DMs is relevant. You might forget innocuous or consistent DMs but know others were fake if they said something completely out of character.)

    However, unless you’ve met them in “real” life, I don’t see how you can know who is fake based on intuition — and I say that as a believer in intuition. I trust my intuition to pick up on emotional vibes that tell me when my friends and family are upset, sick, etc. But I use those vibes to trigger more inquiry, not end the investigation.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2680. @Daleyrocks
    I disagree with your contention, however, about not trying to convince people about anything. Your arguments about Nikki being anti-Weiner, JR9 fabricating emails, and Nikki and Marianela being the same people are all attempts to convince people of things IMHO.

    There’s really no need to go around and around about this but really… I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I personally don’t care who thinks what. I say things that I believe to be, or know to be, true when I reason things out here but I’m way past the point of trying to convince people of things. Because no one’s opinion here actually matters (in regards to figuring out who’s behind this).

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2681. I don’t take it that my comment was alienating. The reply to it was very agreeable, even if we don’t agree on everything.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2682. Gennette, in general, what did you talk about? Can you give us a larger impression of the character played by this person? Did it play the role well? Do you recall any slips or tells? Why do you think it isn’t a young woman?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2683. Dustin, people will do a lot for attention. E.g., Yelverton, truthnjustice, Hooten etc.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  2684. If they were just playing a game for attention, that’s quite the game

    Ain’t that the truth.

    But it’s possible. Crazy is possible.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2685. Gennette:

    There’s really no need to go around and around about this but really… I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. I personally don’t care who thinks what. I say things that I believe to be, or know to be, true when I reason things out here but I’m way past the point of trying to convince people of things. Because no one’s opinion here actually matters (in regards to figuring out who’s behind this).

    This is true to an extent. I believe you read this blog because you are interested in what people are saying about this and because you still want answers. However, to me, the power of the internet is not only to gather information but also the power to convince other people to think about what you are saying and perhaps even to agree with you. Some people do that by appealing to emotion but I think it’s more effective to make logical arguments that convince via reason. It also helps to have a reputation as being honest and reliable.

    I don’t know if you are the “real” Gennette. My intuition tells me you are and, if so, my guess is you wanted to be that person for Anthony Weiner.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2686. @DRJ
    Your opinion is valid but wrong. We’ll just agree to disagree.

    @Jeffeneff
    She talked about things that an adult might think a high school girl should talk about. There were a few things that some people may not consider slip-ups but I did and that was probably because I, from the very beginning, didn’t believe that she was who she said she was.
    To me, she always sounded like not only someone older who was trying to sound younger, but also someone who was really really trying (too hard) to build a rapport.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2687. If they were just playing a game for attention, that’s quite the game

    People that live to grab attention- positive or negative, will do the damnedest things to achieve their goals…pathological liars lie…a lot. They twist, they turn…they can hokey pokey a story until it goes from “The Boy Who Cried Wolf” into “An American Werewolf in London”. They’ll do this until their “audience” shuts.them.down.

    Ain’t that right Ron?

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2688. Gennette:

    …. Because no one’s opinion here actually matters (in regards to figuring out who’s behind this).

    Is this because you know ‘who is behind this’?

    Good dialogue going on now that Ron can’t derail(at least for the time being).

    jmel44 (d9a8f5)

  2689. 2278, 2398.

    I posted on — 7/18/2011 @ 2:36 pm:

    An early Weinergate chronology:

    http://readcontentus.wedia.fr/extractor/extract.html?url=mailto%3Agbeato%40soundbitten.com

    Excerpts:

    ***

    05/18/11: MikeMadden59 tweets “@Goatsred Did that thing ever surface? I gotta go to work. Check back later MUCH later.” Goatsred replies, “@mikemadden59 Not yet. You will know ahead of time when it does. Promise. Talk later.” (Source: Twitter, Twitter)

    Notes: When I showed Goatsred these tweets, he commented, via DM: “The Mike M thing was because we already talked about the rumor and I had no idea that it was on Patriots agenda.I just cont.to f-around”

    Goatsred posted

    Hey Sammy Finkelman—

    Just wanted to reach out and thank you for the hard work on the timeline and your efforts in verifying each and every fact.
    It was gratifying to see the feedback I gave you about the tweet to Mike Madden get it explained like what was discussed.
    Your timeline is probably the hardest researched and verified of any I have seen. And, most importantly: OBJECTIVE.
    Thanks.

    Comment by goatsred — 7/22/2011 @ 6:44 pm

    That wasn’t my timeline and you didn’t talk to me.

    I *found* this on the Internet and put it here because I don’t think anybody else here knew about it.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2690. Gennette,

    OK. Thanks.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2691. Comment by Greg — 8/2/2011 @ 1:48 pm

    “could be construed as anti-Weiner,” of course. You’re right. If that’s what you already believe about these characters, that’s what you’d likely believe.

    My question was, “How do those facts prove that the Reids/MA entity are anti-Weiner?”

    The entire post was about beliefs vs proof. I didn’t say anything that Gennette (and many others) believe isn’t possible. But intuition isn’t proof of the motivation of Nikkie, et al.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2692. @koam re 2396:

    >> It’s difficult to tell where you are writing and where you are quoting. The blockquote command works well and adds clarity.

    How exactly do you do block quotes over here? I don’t know of any block quote command, unless you mean html language, and I haven’t studied how to do it manually.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2693. Koam, you click the quote button above the comment box. It will insert:
    and

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2694. Oh, I meant sammy rather than Koam.

    If you click ‘Quote’ above, it adds

    <blockquote></blockquote>

    I think it will work this time.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2695. DRJ – You are always so much more diplomatic than misogynistic, hobophobic, badge-licking, natavistic, concerned, Christian, conservatives, such as JD and myself. Butter would not melt in your mouth.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2696. Sammy, what Dustin said.

    You can paste in the quote, then select it with your mouse or keyboard then click on the “quote” button above this text entry box.

    I will do it with this sentence.
    Then I will do it again to make this one italic by clicking the “italic” button

    If I scroll down to the bottom of the page before clicking on “Submit Comment,” I can review my work to see how the formatting looks. I have to be sure to type something, even a space, after formatting in order for the preview to update.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2697. Gennette,

    I’m curious. What part of my 2:08 PM comment was wrong? I assume you aren’t claiming to be someone other than Gennette, so I guess that means I misstated your intentions toward this blog and/or Anthony Weiner. Will you clarify that for me?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2698. @DRJ
    I was just saying that I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything and I’m certainly not here for AW. I want to figure out who I was talking to for so long… I spent a lot of time talking to them never thinking that it would get this big and now I want to know who was behind and thats all… I have no other intentions here.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2699. daley,

    Heh. I don’t know how diplomatic I am but it does seem that you, JD and I often think alike.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2700. Gennette,

    That makes sense regarding your motives toward this blog. You seem curious and questioning in your comments here. If everything you’ve said is true, I don’t see much in your comments that indicates an intention to cover up for or defend Weiner. But you clearly felt protective of him in your pre-scandal Twitter conversations. Why else would you be so worried about Nikki’s identity and purpose?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2701. Sammy–I apologize—My mistake. I read it incorrectly.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2702. @DRJ
    Contrary to popular belief on this blog, my curiosity about Nikki had really very little to do with Weiner. I talked to her quite a bit before I ever tipped him off about her and I continued to talk her after I was no longer communicating with him.
    I knew that her interest in me had to do with some connection she believed I had with AW but I wasn’t trying to protect or defend him… that’s not why I continued to talk to her.
    She sought ME out, she aggressively pursued me, she initiated the majority of our conversations… I was truly interested in what her intentions were, what her motivations were; Im a very curious person by nature.
    In addition to this, I always felt like she was linked to the bornfreecrew (I now believe that its just Dan Wolfe). During this time, I also paid very close attention to these people and their conversations.
    I felt like there was a story here. Something much bigger than what it appeared to be on the surface.
    If that doesn’t make sense to you, I’m sorry.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2703. Gennette,

    I don’t really care about Nikki at all at this point. Nor do I believe (anymore) that there is a chance that the person behind Nikki is young and female.

    What’s you biggest suspicion(s) that person behind Nikki accnt not female?

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  2704. I would just like to say that if you want to ask me a question that isn’t related to figuring out who is behind the Reids… don’t. Please. I’ve stated multiple times that I’m here for a very specific purpose. I get annoyed/exhausted with the distractions.
    I’m only going to be answering questions that I feel are relevant.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2705. What’s you biggest suspicion(s) that person behind Nikki accnt not female?

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 8/2/2011 @ 3:36 pm

    I don’t really have a suspicion that she’s not female, in fact, if they aren’t they played a female quite well. I just don’t think they’re young and female.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2706. It was from the link you provided and I know who I spoke with. Sorry for the confusion.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2707. Gennette,

    I understand being curious about what motivates people. I am, too, and I agree there is something bigger going on here. That’s why I’ve remained interested in this story even though it’s effectively over. There is a great deal I don’t get about John Reid, Nikki & family and, like you, I would ask him/her/them some pointed questions if they were still here. If you agree, then surely you understand why I want to do the same with you.

    PS — It’s not my place to say this but I was a college girl once, too, and I went on to have an executive career. I think you aspire to that so please consider some advice re: this statement: “If that doesn’t make sense to you, I’m sorry.” I’m not sure why you are sorry when IMO you are simply expressing your opinion. Yes, we may disagree about things but when you apologize because we might disagree, it detracts from your point and makes you seem insecure rather than deferential or conciliatory. Believe me, Patterico folks are fine with assertive women!

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2708. Gennette:

    I just don’t think they’re young and female.

    My kids think they can spot people on Twitter and the internet who are posing as something other than they really are. I think there is some truth to that, but are there regional variations that could account for some of the differences you noticed?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2709. Re: Sammy Finkelman — 8/2/2011 @ 2:24 pm:

    Sammy, I created that timeline and posted it at my website Soundbitten.com. I have linked to it a couple times in various threads here, though I’m not sure if I ever did in this thread.

    Greg (bc8186)

  2710. wittier, i may have misinterpreted your 8/2/2011 @ 12:30 pm post.

    as i understood it, when you wrote:

    If a plan to “get Weiner” made it from MA via Goatsred to Breitbart, and used your DMs as evidence, you’d have told whoever asked what your DMs were: a pretense to fool someone who you knew to be secretly working against someone you publicly & privately admired….

    …you were suggesting that if Gennette knew her DMs to Nikki about Weiner were fabrications, that would somehow disincentivize Marienela/Nikki to present them to the media if they were truly anti-Weiner….

    and what i wasn’t getting was: how would Marienela/Nikki know that Gennette had been dissembling?

    but it sounds like i misinterpreted what you were saying.

    Greg (b386a2)

  2711. Comment by Greg — 8/2/2011 @ 6:54 pm

    Thanks for asking. I wasn’t suggesting that.

    GC’s DMs falsely telling Nikki that GC had flirted with AW wouldn’t have been an important element in any case.

    The greater point is that Marianela’s offer didn’t prove that the Reid clan was anti-Weiner (and also lacked teeth, in any case).

    Gennette had said:

    “There are a few things though that I feel I’m sure of
    1) The Reids are anti-Weiner and have tried very hard to make it look like they were pro-Weiner. For instance, “Marianela” came forward saying that she had DMs that showed that Weiner was flirting with girls online and that he was talking to HS girls… because of this “Mrs Reid” and “Nikki” come out condemning Marianela/ supporting Weiner… but we all know that Nikki and Marianela are the same person.
    Also, JR9 pretended to be pro-Weiner and pretended to be supportive of him… but he released DMs where I told Nikki that I had flirted with AW (which I confirmed that I had sent, attempting to get Nikki to talk to about AW). But when I explained those DMs and the explanation was generally accepted JR9 conveniently had new, more scandalous DMs from me about AW (which were fabricated).”

    I was looking at the examples she gave as support and didn’t find that the examples proved the conclusion that the Reids are inarguably anti-Weiner.

    My point was that if one already believed Nikki was plotting against Weiner, then the “evidence” seems to support that. If one didn’t, then not so much.

    Gennette later said it was “all intuition,” in any case.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2712. I just wanted to put my two cents in on SPQR and Gennette’s conversation about “that’s quite the game”. Look, Dan Wolfe is a troll. Period. If you put his/her intentions aside he is a troll on the troll of his/her life.

    You would be surprised what kind of time trolls will put in for even a lulzy/harmless prank. It may seem crazy to most people but most people aren’t trolls. Sure money and politics would/could be huge motivators but that doesn’t necessarily make it so. This might not have an M. Night Shyamalan ending.

    I probably wouldn’t be following this still if not for the death threats happening. That does make it seem like there is a bigger story to me. But again, that doesn’t make it so.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2713. 2738-40:

    #

    How exactly do you do block quotes over here? I don’t know of any block quote command, unless you mean html language, and I haven’t studied how to do it manually.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 8/2/2011 @ 2:37 pm
    #

    Koam, you click the quote button above the comment box. It will insert:
    and

    Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 2:43 pm
    #

    Oh, I meant sammy rather than Koam.

    If you click ‘Quote’ above, it adds

    I think it will work this time.

    I (and a lot of other people) have to tendency to ignore and treat as meaningless almost what I don’t understand.

    I saw those boxes:

    bold italic link strike quote

    – but had no idea what they did and didn’t want to experiment.

    I think I have to cut and paste the end blockquote to get this to work.

    Or maybe better, first get that copied into the comment box and then paste the quote in between.

    And this would be italics I guess

    And this would be bold and unbold

    Every time I do one of these the comment jumps to the start of the comment

    Link seems to want me to enter a link location

    Strike.

    Italics BOLD and strike show up in the preview.

    Well, I’ll see what happens now.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2714. Italics BOLD a strike seem to work very well, but quote doesn’t seem to be as easy to use.

    Let’s try link:

    Full transcript of Anthony Weiner’s June 6 2011 press conference as published by the New York Post

    But quote?

    I think it will work this time.

    Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 2:44 pm

    It doesn’t show anything special in the preview.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2715. Look, Dan Wolfe is a troll. Period.

    Noodles, that’s a smart way to see him at this point. Screaming in delight ha ha ha at Patterico when his aid is requested is damn trollish.

    Retweeting Weiner’s accidental tweet is also compatible with a mere troll. I have a mindset that tries to put everyone on the political spectrum, but maybe he’s not really on it at all. Maybe he was trolling Goatsred and Weiner’s fans at the same time, for all I know.

    What I do know now is that he’s among those who knows this is not a joke now, and that he’s helping create confusion and problems for innocent victims. If he wants anonymity that’s cool with me, but he’s playing the game right now, and he’s on the team going for confusion and messes.

    Looking at this from a timing POV, my hunch is that he’s the Reid sock as well, but this is without substantial basis.

    Gennette’s point about many of us bringing an agenda is 100% accurate. She is more progressive than I. I would honestly prefer the Reid sock be exposed as the Breitbart smearing effort. I can understand why, to her, someone approaching a Weiner fan out of the blue to instigate a scandal does not appear to be a friend of the left, though.

    I’m with Koam on the anti-Weiner aspect lacking any teeth, and I think it really could have damaged Breitbart had things played out differently. Until Weiner admitted he sent that ‘hacked’ pic, a lot of people were absolutely sure Breitbart was behind it. That’s nothing compared to what this scam would have dealt to him.

    Dan has often turned out to be a great distraction, and perhaps part of that is because Lee et al treated him much worse than was justified. Whatever his reasons, he’s not a productive aspect of this story, IMO.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2716. We’re actually going to get to 3000 comments. Gooooooood grief.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2717. Dustin,

    At this point, my agenda is to find out the truth. I’d like to know which people are real, which are fakes, and what motivated all of them. And I’d be just as interested if the characters turn out to be liberals, conservatives, or nonpolitical. For me, it’s become more of an addictive puzzle that I’d like to figure out, as opposed to a political story that I want my side to win.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2718. Sammy Finkelman,

    If you use a code in a word or sentence and you are still typing that word or sentence, the code won’t show up in the preview until you finish typing. I’m not sure how to explain it but, basically, if you don’t see what you’ve written or coded in the preview area, type a new word or start a new sentence or paragraph and then look again.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2719. Ronny baby, why are you so quiet all of a sudden?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2720. He’s in moderation. Stash put him there this afternoon.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2721. At this point, my agenda is to find out the truth.

    Of course. And I hope Gennette realizes you’re one of the fairest folks she’ll encounter online.

    For me, it’s become more of an addictive puzzle that I’d like to figure out, as opposed to a political story that I want my side to win.

    It is fascinating. And to be clear, I still want to know the truth even if it’s not what I suspect. If this is an anti-weiner effort I very much want that brought to light. It’s still interesting. To be completely honest: I won’t find it quite as interesting if it’s just trolls with no political operation in mind.

    I’m simply admitting that I do honestly hope it does not turn out to be a conservative-run effort to smear Weiner. I don’t think that’s colored my suspicions… I hope I’m able to be as fair minded…, but as I compare how I interpret fact patterns to how Gennette sees them, I think an outside observer would note the coincidence of biases.

    I am not quite as disciplined as you tend to be. I quickly draw conclusions based on the world as I know it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2722. Wait, I see. What “quote” does is NOT create a box of text, but rather, text that is indented and starts in the middle of the line.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2723. Funny thing is, he hasn’t even tried to comment since he was moderated. Pretty organized behavior. Of course, now that I’ve mentioned it I expect a flurry of nonsense… just to keep up appearances.

    On a related note, I started a twitter account (@stashiu3) so I could make snarky comments about ronbryn follow others easier. Don’t expect a lot of tweets from me, so following will probably be boring. Or not. Don’t know yet. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2724. “He’s in moderation. Stash put him there this afternoon.”

    DRJ – Thanks. I’m aware of that. I was speaking of elsewhere.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2725. Yes, he’s been quiet as far as I can tell. I’m also blocked from following him. Too bad I can’t just leave a tab open to his page… oh wait, yes I can! Now, if my yard fills up with leaves and my dogs want to go outside at least 3 times during the night, that will be proof I’ve been hacked by Ron or one of his sockpuppets.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2726. I agree with DRJ in that I would like to know what happened but have little concern if they are conservative, a NY Dem Mayoral operation, or an anti-Breitbart sting or whatever. In a way I kind of like the idea that there are conservatives out there countering the left (obviously not using their tactics hopefully).

    It’s rather shocking to find out that people like Neal, Ron, Michael Corwin, Jeannine Dillon, etc. get hired to troll and do despicable things on the internet (allegedly). Note: allegedly was so Ron won’t sue me. lolk

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2727. I had no idea that Stash was retired Army. And what a challenging role he had. I can’t even imagine the things he’s dealt with.

    Sincere thanks and respect.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2728. Dustin,

    Frankly, I assume there are political tricks involved on both sides, but this story still seems different than the typical political games. At first it was different because it involved threats directed at bloggers like Patterico that I read and follow. Now the story intrigues me because the people involved still seem to be playing their roles even though the Weiner story is effectively over. It’s a fascinating story and I’m sure it’s doubly fascinating for those who were directly involved, but IMO the normal response for such people would be to lay low and hope this story goes away. Some did but several others didn’t, and I’m curious why.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2729. Sincere thanks and respect.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/2/2011 @ 9:49 pm

    And thank you for your service as well. 😀

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2730. You can see a small bit of what I did here if you’re interested. I had barely heard of blogs at that point, but I already knew to trust content from Patterico. 😉

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2731. Stashiu3’s last comment goes to Patterico’s post dated 10/6/2006 rounding up his 5-part interview with Stashiu3 about Gitmo. However, the links in that post no longer work. (I think it’s because Patterico changed hosts since then and it altered the URLs.) The interviews are terrific and I encourage everyone to read them or read them again:

    Part One

    Part Two
    Part Three
    Part Four
    Part Five

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2732. Oops… mea culpa and thank you.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2733. daley,

    Were you talking about Twitter or something else? All the controversial stuff seems to start on Twitter.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2734. 2712: Comment by Joe — 8/2/2011 @ 1:28 pm

    “Dan Wolfe” set up @goatsred from day one. “Wolfe” joined Twitter on January 6, and within 30 minutes was chatting up @goatsred and sticking to him like glue.

    Is that correct? Within 30 minutes?

    I thought – from the New York Times and other places – that it took him awhile to establish #bornfreecrew.

    “Dan Wolfe” targeted @goatsred. “Wolfe” needed the cover of Mike Stack’s established Twitter account and the cover of his Crew.

    Well, it feels to me like the aim of all the socks – the aim of the RED BARON , boss of all the socks – was to bury their traces and have other people be the front men – also maybe to try out various untrue claims and see if they could fly.

    “Dan Wolfe” burned @goatsred because “Wolfe’s” puppeteer knew that the media would seize on @goatsred as the villain in this thing, and poor, patriotic Wolfe, with all his personal problems, was less interesting, wasn’t he.

    Not that Dan Wolfe was less interesting, but Dan Wolfe was fake and knowledge of who or what he was would lead to either other things or some revelation of the motives.

    Fake Dan Wolfe IS Fake John Reid, who is Fake Nikki Reid, who is Fake Marianela Alicea and family. “They” are the same sock entity using fake IP addresses, etc.

    And also Alicia Paine etc.

    And what is that entity?

    Well, we can say if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck. If it looks like the Anthony Pellicano detective agency, and acts like the Anthony Pellicano detective agency, it *is* the Anthony Pellicano detective agency, and it is not out of business, although maybe it is operating on a much reduced scale from offices that could be in Orange County.

    At least anyway, that’s the first question. What happened to all the people who used to work for it?

    It it is very hard and seemingly impossible to find out anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2735. Amazing links, DRJ (and Stashiu)

    I had never seen them. I just thought Stash was the IT volunteer.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2736. DRJ – As usual, you’re on the right track.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2737. Dustin,
    -Stashiu3 is too young looking and good looking to be retired, but is (curse him).
    -He is as much a man of honor and integrity as he seems to be here.
    -He has made incredible personal sacrifices for others.
    -He has saved lives that were not his responsibility, at some risk to himself.

    Read the links and you will see a glimpse of why he is so admired and respected by those who know him. Courage, integrity, and devotion to duty are a powerful combination.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2738. Unfortunately he still has this odd thing for Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2739. Thanks Mac. BtVS rulz!!!

    heh.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2740. I saw the comments Ron tried to leave.

    They are unbelievably aggressive. I felt concerned enough to go ahead and email Clyde to let him know about this (yeah, I know I am typing his name wrong). Unfortunately, he is not anonymous.

    Then I read over my comments and they are amazingly long and rambling. Especially when I’m angry. If I had simply ignored Ron entirely the thread would be easier to follow. Many have politely hinted that I need to tighten up my writing here. I’m capable of better, and I’ll try to show that.

    Comparing a person like Ron to a person like Stashiu, it’s almost like they are completely different species. Selfish and small minded vs selfless and aware.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2741. Don’t go giving him a big head now.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2742. That’s Entertainment?

    Non-stop stream of one-liners as Tommy tweets from ER.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2743. It’s appendicitis. Get well soon, TC!

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2744. Here’s another one. The question: “with what we know now, why are people so stupid?” The answer: “human nature”. This is why capitalism works: its the best system given how people really are.

    In the early years of Mormonism, they had what is called the United Order, a variant of communism. It didn’t work very well, and couldn’t work at all for very long. Same reason. The church eventually switched over to old testament tithing: ten percent of your increase. The church immediately came out of debt and has been prosperous ever since. Income based on 10% of a big pie is much more than 100% of little or nothing.

    A 10% flat rate works because people can see a way to make themselves a world they like. If they have to give all their surplus to their community or church, there is no way to save up or invest in the future. People want a way they can get ahead. Sex is similar except the drive is more primal and powerful, and evolutionary strategies somehow made exhibition a powerful urge that apparently a number of even smart people can’t suppress even when the stakes are very high.

    These incidents will continue to occur on both sides of the aisle. Its just human nature. It may not be right, but it is what it is. I remember a high level church guy once say (paraphrased): “if you can’t live the laws of the gospel, the Lord won’t be able to use you, except perhaps as a bad example”. These people are providing us an education on behaviors to avoid that have bad consequences. God can make good out of almost anything, including congressional sex scandals. We benefit if we learn. If you don’t, you may be entertainment for a few news cycles.

    Jeff Mitchell (481f2a)

  2745. re: Stashiu3 — wasn’t here in 2006 so I didn’t know about Stashiu’s Gitmo experience. Oh my gosh. Many thanks to DRJ for posting the links.

    Thank you, Stashiu (and to Dustin too and anyone I missed) for your service. I know this is an anonymous forum but it’s always nice to learn, when the opportunity comes up, more about the commenters I already admire on this site.

    Has always been interesting that even in small things like commenting on a blog, you see the values displayed in a person (integrity/manners/honor/love of truth etc etc) that show up in the bigger things in that person’s life. Just one more example.

    *subtracts 1/2 point for BtVS addiction* 😉

    no one you know (325a59)

  2746. Has anyone told Patterico that New Jersey is NOT part of New England?

    Goddamned west coasters…

    J.

    Jay Tea (50e49c)

  2747. *subtracts 1/2 point for BtVS addiction* 😉
    Comment by no one you know — 8/3/2011 @ 9:05 am

    The first step is admitting you have a problem. Guess I haven’t hit bottom yet, lol.

    Thanks noyk, I thought most folks here had seen that already. I guess not.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2748. Stash, thanks. A true man of integrity and honor.

    Also, yes, DW did follow me within 30 minutes.

    #bornfreecrew came much later. @gk68 picked a song (guess by Kid Rock) to describe his feeling about the USA. He lives in Jerusalem, but is from Boston MA.He has been attacked by the Palestinians and almost killed a few times. He is a great guy and he saw my support of Israel in my weets and some of our similiar followers.
    DW put the “group” together and included everyone in the tweets.Then that friggin tag was used every time a post was made.
    So it was a tag that had no tie to anything but a song. No Christian Militia like Neal would have anyone believe,no dark,secret meaning.
    More to follow.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2749. Flashback:

    And she says: “You just have no idea how deep this goes.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2750. Yes Stashiu thank you so much for your service and integrity, great article.
    Oh and don’t EVER apologize for BtVS. That was one of the best shows of all time! Haha made me laugh, made me cry made me think why why why are there no more daily 2 hour re-run marathons.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2751. “Dan Wolfe could not be reached for comment. Nor could JohnReid9 (which could have something to do with the overwhelming likelihood that they are the same person — about which I will say much more in coming days and weeks).”

    – Patterico, this morning

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2752. Maybe Ron is going to start forgetting about Dustin now that he’s decided I’m an evil sock. Pathetic.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2753. Hickory dickory dock
    Ron is scared of all the socks
    The clock struck two
    What did Ron do?
    He went and changed all his locks.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2754. Stashiu3 – Ron the criminal and cyber thug likes to threaten people. He shares that with his BFF’s Brad, Brett and Neal.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2755. Ron needs to get a life, and by life, I mean a job.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2756. “Ron needs to get a life, and by life, I mean a job.”

    Stashiu3 – That or some more lotion. Dude must be getting sore by now.

    Fap, fap, fap, fap, fap, fap.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2757. Will someone let me know (via Twitter) if the convo turns back to the Reids? Thanks

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2758. Stashiu3

    Ron is an ‘equal opportunity’ menace. ‘Forgets’ you for awhile, then returns. Seems he likes the attention/reputation for being a ‘creep’. Whatever serves his purpose at the time.

    And I’m of the opinion, Ron has ‘developed’ this current crazy Shtick.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  2759. Appropriate Ron video moment. This is in no way meant as a threat. Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2760. “Dan Wolfe” set up @goatsred from day one. “Wolfe” joined Twitter on January 6, and within 30 minutes was chatting up @goatsred and sticking to him like glue.Comment by Joe — 8/2/2011 @ 1:28 pm

    Joe, is “within 30 minutes” based on specific information (i.e., time-stamps) or just an estimate?

    Topsy.com shows Patriot’s first tweets occuring on January 6, and he’s retweeting Goatsred by his third tweet that day. But there are no time-stamps at Topsy.com to accurately document how quickly this occured.

    Do you have more specific info that shows it was 30 minutes?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2761. Déjà Vu All Over Again, Again

    Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:59 am
    A New England politician has resigned after sending nude photos of himself to an online female friend…

    Not New England. New Jersey. It was in today’s New York Post. He was a freeholder.

    And Anthony Weiner was never an Alderman. Aldermen are in Chicago and some other places. New York City has City Councilmen.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2762. “Not New England. New Jersey. It was in today’s New York Post. He was a freeholder.”

    Sammy Finkelman – Which exit?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2763. Greg (re: 2808)

    Here are “Dan Wolfe’s” first tweets upon joining Twitter on 1/6, as I have them:
    (read from the bottom & go up)

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:26 PM
    @LezzieBlowhan @goatsred @Smakdaddy422 LOL!!!! Could you imagine if those to uglies reproduced! suprised hillary shares her with Weenie
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23203698482089984

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:21 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 google it man. she’s been hillary’s wife for years. both in the closet. his wife is one ugly woman. just hillary’s type.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23202416233025536

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:19 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 @goatsred god he is the most arrogant ass. cant stand that whiny voice. why do people elect this guy? what’s wrong with ny?
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23201936614359040

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:16 PM
    @goatsred @BluShadows him and that guy skreech on saved by the bell separated at birth
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23201351181795328

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:16 PM
    @goatsred well she’s sleeping in hillary’s bed so i guess its not a problem for her. god help whatever kids they adopt. should be outlawed
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23201154141782018

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:14 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 him and his wife who hes tweeting how beautiful she is. did you see her? i wouldn’t be bragging about that. both in the closet
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23200788742406144

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:12 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 he is seriously in the closet.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23200259131838464

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:10 PM
    @goatsred both are so ugly! god help their kids. gross!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23199781975236608

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:09 PM
    @goatsred she has him as a beard too! she is hillary’s wife!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23199587359526912

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:06 PM
    @goatsred did you see him pimping his wife on his tweet on how beautiful she is. she is as blessed in looks as he is – both gross looking.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23198875238014976

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:05 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 so sick of this annoying whiny ass! why is he on everywhere?!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23198481657110528

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:02 PM
    @Telebusy why do we keep having to hear this arrogant whiny ass?
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23197840645824513

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 8:48 PM
    @LezzieBlowhan why do we have to keep seeing this guy everywhere. so sick of his whiny voice!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23194126719651840

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 8:45 PM
    @FleshBomb poor kids hope those two dont reproduce gross
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23193532093177856

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 8:45 PM
    @FleshBomb did you see him pimping his wife on his tweet on how beautiful she is. she is as blessed in looks as he is – which isn’t much.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23193404745719808

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 8:43 PM
    @mtovet don’t think he knows how to be respectful or courteous you are so right!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23192955879686144

    Joe (6d970e)

  2764. 2795

    Boston, MA? So, who was following you BEFORE DW. Because maybe among their number is another sock who thought you might prove useful – or perhaps the person(s) behind DW followed someone who followed you. Maybe someone say, out of Boston.

    SarahW (af7312)

  2765. It’s worth noting how “Wolfe” seems to have chosen Mike Stack as a target (the next day he thanks Mike Stack for a #FF) and throughout his timeline makes a point of saying how much he’s learned from Mik, making Mike look like the leader, even, strategically, just before deleting his account.

    Also note how “MarianelaAlicea” sought out Mike Stack, and not @Patriotusa76. That kept “Dan’s” hands clean and again had a non-existent character implicating Mike Stack and then evaporating.

    Joe (6d970e)

  2766. If that isn’t clear, what is clear is that you were chosen to receive DW’s attention for some reason.

    SarahW (af7312)

  2767. Disabling comments on new threads to help push for 3000 comments here is cheating!

    And I approve.

    BTW, I am sorry for hacking Mr Christopher’s appendix to explode using another jpg virus printed and glued it to the side of the number 42 bus (also hacked). Bad habits die hard. Because I hacked them.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2768. Update to latest post:

    UPDATE x2: Changed New England to northeastern. It’s all the same to us here in Cali, but accuracy must prevail.

    Patterico (05c3f9)

  2769. With 3000+ comments it’s gonna take 1/2 hour to load & to scroll down to bottom of page on a smartphone.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2770. #2812—Great points,Joe.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2771. I wonder if Dan was grooming others for the position at the same time.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2772. Thanks for the New England correction, Patterico. It’s bad enough we gotta be associated with Massachusetts. Don’t be giving us Joisey, too.

    J.

    Jay Tea (fae759)

  2773. Jay Tea – I’m not sure which is worse, Taxachussetts and its Massholes or Joisey.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2774. Also note how “MarianelaAlicea” sought out Mike Stack, and not @Patriotusa76. That kept “Dan’s” hands clean and again had a non-existent character implicating Mike Stack and then evaporating.

    Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 11:22 am

    Excellent observation.

    One tactic a lot of these socks use is to pose as deranged so you underestimate how organized their plans are.

    I wonder if how they targeted Mike would give us some clues. Sadly, my guess is they knew he would want to protect kids. They consistently are harsh towards honorable people.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2775. Sir Stashiu!

    Sweet Tidy Bowl Jeebus skipping on the blue toilet water…I’d take my hat off to you, if I wore one, but I don’t, so I can’t. But I can thank you, from the bottom on my thumping black gizzard (southern, can’t help it) for you, and your service- and so…thank you so very much.

    As for Ron…I’ve decided- he’s a R.O.U.S. 😉

    ps- if you see a @LunaticLair on your twitter thingymabob…that’s me.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2776. Heyyyy we have more than our fair share of Moonbats here in Taxachusettes but lot’s and lot’s of very good, fine folks too.
    Sticking tongue out

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2777. As for Ron…I’ve decided- he’s a R.O.U.S. 😉
    ps- if you see a @LunaticLair on your twitter thingymabob…that’s me.
    Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 1:38 pm

    R.O.U.S. LMAO! And true.

    Not sure what the Twitter protocol is, but I’ll remember. With lunatic in the name, how could I not? 😉

    And thank you Ma’am.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2778. This latest discussion made me sit up. Namely, the pattern of “who tweeted whom.” A socktopus will probably make cross-identity posts in an attempt to make it look real, but will probably not make nearly as many of these posts. I wonder if there are search tools that would easily allow a count of “character to character” posts.

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2779. Thanks, Mike.

    The email exchange provided to The Smoking Gun reveals something more about “Dan Wolfe.” He was not the self-styled, wholesome defender of underage women, as he made himself out to be. In those emails, it was Mike Stack who put the brakes on “Wolfe,” writing that the girl who was the subject of their exchange (maybe “Nikki” — I forget) may be underage, and therefore he wanted to hold off and get another opinion or advice. Wolfe reluctantly agreed to waiting an hour, if I remember it right.

    “Dan Wolfe” wasn’t protecting anyone but “his” puppeteer.

    Throughout this thing, the Wolfe/Reid entity worked very hard to set up and manipulate real people. Gennette related how “Nikki” constantly messaged, her for at least a month, and was in contact with her after the story broke.

    “Nikki” had a Zelig-like ability to instantly lock on to the women Weiner followed whenever they first mention @repweiner. It was like “she” had a twitter app set to notify “her” whenever Ginger Lee, or any of the women later connected to Weiner on Twitter would tweet his name.

    “Nikki” followed Ginger Lee from around March, and engaged her a few times on March 12 and 13 about a tweet by Ginger Lee about stalking or having been stalked. Ginger Lee’s tweets to Nikki were kind and understanding. When I pieced together the exchange, I got the feeling that “Nikki” was trying to create a bond with Ginger, and was positioning “herself” as a scared teen who had been stalked so that Nikki could DM and get closer to Ginger.

    The question is whether anyone suspected any link between Weiner and Ginger in March and, if so, did Dan/Nikki/JohnReid & co know.

    When Ginger tweeted about waking up to a DM from Weiner (in April?), “Nikki” tweeted her within about an hour about it. (I’m doing this part from memory, sorry.)

    We also know that “Nikki” had exchanges with Ethel about Weiner, and misrepresented one or more tweets of Ethel’s, including one “Nikki” purposely mischaracterized as referring to something like “married congressman” vs “married man.”

    In short, this Dan Wolfe/Nikki/JohnReid,etc entity worked this matter like a real full-time job. Real people, including Mike Stack, Gennette, Ginger Lee and Ethel were essentially Twitter-Stalked, monitored, befriended and manipulated.

    Joe (6d970e)

  2780. Blackburnsghost – I know, I visit every year. Love those Masshole drivers around the rotaries.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2781. We also know that “Nikki” had exchanges with Ethel about Weiner, and misrepresented one or more tweets of Ethel’s, including one “Nikki” purposely mischaracterized as referring to something like “married congressman” vs “married man.”

    to be fair, Ethel was clearly talking about Weiner at least some of the time.

    How did Nikki know that nothing serious would emerge with respect to Ethel? It sure looks bad from the outside, before law enforcement looks over it. Weiner looks like a dirty old man, and Ethel looks disturbed. Why would anyone friendly to Weiner want this kind of thing brought to light?

    There are explanations that could work. Maybe the effort thought Ethel was fake or wanted to contain the story?

    Or, maybe I’m wrong and Dan and Nikki were actually trying to screw Weiner, but did so in a way meant to avoid identifying their motivation easily. Something like Qritiq’s theories. Joe, you should look over Qritiq’s blog if you haven’t already, which I’ve linked above. 😉

    I wonder if there are search tools that would easily allow a count of “character to character” posts.

    Comment by jeffeneff

    Neal has discussed his ability to make very effective phony twitter accounts. I’m sure the interact with eachother. But I’m sure you’re right and it’s easy to tell they are fake in hindsight.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2782. Another update needed for “Déjà Vu All Over Again, Again” 2 post:

    “Patterico” blogged, “According to the Daily Caller,…”

    That’s not the Daily Caller, it’s an Associated Press article posted there – they subscribe to the AP wire – and the credited Beth DeFalco is an AP writer:

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2011/08/02/ap_nj_pol_resigns_after_nude_photos_appear_on_web/

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2783. …“Nikki” followed Ginger Lee from around March, and engaged her a few times on March 12 and 13 about a tweet by Ginger Lee about stalking or having been stalked….

    The question is whether anyone suspected any link between Weiner and Ginger in March and, if so, did Dan/Nikki/JohnReid & co know.

    When Ginger tweeted about waking up to a DM from Weiner (in April?), “Nikki” tweeted her within about an hour about it…

    Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 2:14 pm

    Joe, you have it reversed. Ginger tweeted about getting a DM from Weiner on March 13 — that’s when Starchild first contacts her.

    On May 12, Ginger Lee posted something to her Tumblr blog about her experience with a stalker; later that day, Starchild tweeted her with messages that seem to be in response to Lee’s Tumblr post.

    See my timeline if you’re interested.

    Greg (bc8186)

  2784. Dustin (#2829)

    I don’t think the puppeteer behind Nikki knew what would or wouldn’t emerge with respect to Ethel, but latched onto her and engaged immediately in the same way “Dan Wolfe” did to Mike Stack, and the same way “Nikki” did with Ginger Lee and Gennette.

    The Wolfe/Reid entity seems skilled at manipulating people (in my post, above, I forgot about Tommy Christopher), and latching on to each of these women and trying to become a confidante, seems to have been the goal, while “herself” attempting to get close to Weiner.

    Joe (6d970e)

  2785. I don’t think the puppeteer behind Nikki knew what would or wouldn’t emerge with respect to Ethel,

    My guess is that this is true. Yet if this was someone trying to protect Weiner, they are either reckless or overconfident to proceed in such ignorance about such a perilous aspect.

    The Wolfe/Reid entity seems skilled at manipulating people

    Agreed.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2786. Due to being in the middle of it, my head spins when tring to reconstruct all of the events.
    But,seeing it in print, the speed in which DW would contact me or the women/girls now seems to be remarkable. He was on 24/7 and would catch me as soon as I logged in and appeared on TweetDeck.
    Then he became my best buddy and pal, and indeed gave me credit for everything. Why did I not think anything was strange about that? No clue.
    Much easier to pick apart those questions now.
    So,as usual, thanks for the kind words,discussion,and respect. This thread has been incredible and a fountain of knowledge.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2787. Neat trick,

    After I sent a tweet to ThePlanIsLive my Twitter account went kaput and if you google my name it says “400 bad request”

    You can see my tweets at Topsy, I guess until they go kaput, too. At least I have everything backed up.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  2788. Weiner is a Dick.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2789. UPDATE x2: Changed New England to northeastern. It’s all the same to us here in Cali, but accuracy must prevail.

    Northeastern is OK. That goes down to West Virginia (but does not include Ohio)

    The difference between New England and the Northeast is like the difference between California and the Pacific Coast.

    See this Electoral College map for 1968:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1968.svg

    Hubert Humphrey mainly carried states in the Northeast (plus Michigan, Minnesota, Washington State and Texas)

    Taken from here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2790. RONBRYN IS A HACKER STALKER KRAZY PERSON!!!!!!!!!

    JD (3da201)

  2791. Have our reps NOTHING better to do? Oh, wait, that was a rhetorical question wasn’t it?

    GM Roper (d58b94)

  2792. Comment by JD — 8/3/2011 @ 3:37 pm

    As long as his comments range from odd ———–> boogetyboogetyboogety, I’ll approve them when I’m on. I don’t think he can get to the other side of odd, but if he spews ad hom or tries to out Dustin (or anyone else) again here, it won’t be approved. That’s my guideline for now, until Patterico says otherwise.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2793. Due to being in the middle of it, my head spins when tring to reconstruct all of the events.
    Comment by goatsred — 8/3/2011 @ 3:14 pm

    Mr. Stack,

    When you’re caught up in the vortex, its nearly impossible to “see straight”, so to speak.

    You’ve been nothing but upfront and forthright throughout this situation- all you were wanting to do, was to protect innocent young people.

    My respect for you is quite high, Sir. If ever you’re down south, holler- we’ll fix you dinner 🙂

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2794. Greg (re: 2831)

    Ginger Lee tweeted the following on 3/13 at 11:25 am (Re: the time, I’m on the east coast and that’s what it shows me.)

    “You know it’s a good day when you wake up to a DM from @RepWeiner. (I’m a fangirl, y’all, he’s my trifecta of win.)”

    I don’t have it in front of me, but “Nikki” replied roughly an hour later, and used the term “fangirl,” as in “I’m a fangirl, too!” or something similar.

    Joe (ef56e6)

  2795. This pixie person rocks, by the way.

    JD (3da201)

  2796. Wow…even Twitter thinks Ron’s a R.O.U.S now. 😉

    Oh…and boo.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2797. This pixie person rocks, by the way.

    Comment by JD — 8/3/2011 @ 3:57 pm
    /blockquote>

    Yeah, I agree.

    And for those who aren’t bothering with twitter, Ron is now accusing Stashiu of being a killer and even mocking his service. And Ron is claiming Stashiu smears the troops.

    He usually does accuse you of something related to what he or Neal is doing. He is working with Brett and Neal. I would bet my house on this. He is pretending to be crazy (which as Stashiu notes, is itself a sign he’s pretty screwed up).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2798. Stashiu explains his fears regarding these people he dealt with. It’s a helpful way to understand what our troops are going through. He explains he would defend himself against them even if he encountered them today.

    Ron is selectively quoting this, no doubt after tons of scouring, to suggest there’s something wrong with Stashiu.

    This is a long term campaign against Patterico. By attacking anyone who agrees or is friends with Patterico, and claiming everything Patterico says is the work of hackers, Ron is smearing someone while pretending to be Patterico’s buddy.

    Neal and pals have specifically used Ron’s pattern as proof that Patterico is friends with Ron, encouraging him, etc, and thus Patterico is responsible for the attacks on Patterico.

    This seems stupid when explained here, but they make it confusing enough that some idiots fall for it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2799. I wonder: how could anyone read
    All the comments that are on this screed
    They have really grown
    This thread’s overblown
    And it’s more than I’ll ever need!

    The Limerick Avenger (f68855)

  2800. Re: 2834

    Regarding “Dan Wolfe,” Mike Stack said:

    Then he became my best buddy and pal….

    That stands out because it matches the behavior of “Nikki” with each of the women.

    … But,seeing it in print, the speed in which DW would contact me or the women/girls now seems to be remarkable. He was on 24/7 and would catch me as soon as I logged in and appeared on TweetDeck.

    It sounds like he had some app that alerted him to when you (and others) logged on and tweeted.

    Do you know if he was using Tweetdeck, too, or another app?

    Joe (539494)

  2801. Re: 2831

    Sorry, Greg. I misread your post about dates.

    I did think Nikki’s retweet of Ginger Lee’s stalking-related post was on 3/12, though.

    Joe (539494)

  2802. 2810:

    SF> “Not New England. New Jersey. It was in today’s New York Post. He was a freeholder.”

    Sammy Finkelman – Which exit?

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/3/2011 @ 11:05 am

    Exit 4.

    This is a link to the New York Post article:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_jersey_lawmaker_resigns_after_SqPBfuZxYcd2ol5Tr40suN

    He was from Cumberland County.

    http://www.co.cumberland.nj.us/content/173/5176/5178.aspx

    From Northern and Central New Jersey:

    Take New Jersey Turnpike South to Exit 4. Exit onto Route 73 North. Follow 73 North for 1/2 mile, until it intersects Interstate 295. Take 295 South for 10 miles, then exit onto Route 42 South. Follow 42 South for 1.5 miles. Exit onto NJ 55 South. Follow 55 South for approximately 30 miles. Leave 55 at Exit 29 (County Route 552). Turn left off of the exit ramp onto 552 West. Follow 552 West for 5 miles. Turn left at the third traffic signal, onto County Route 553 South. Stay on 553 for 1 mile, until it meets NJ Route 49. Turn right onto 49 West. The County offices are located 1 mile West on the left. The County Administrative Building is the building to the right of the main driveway.

    The legislative branch should be somewhere nearby.

    Now if only determining this other matter – what was going on with these Twitter accounts etc and who was doing it – was so easy.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2803. #2841 Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 3:49 pm.
    My respect for you is quite high, Sir. If ever you’re down south, holler- we’ll fix you dinner

    Thanks very much and I will.
    But,please call me Mike.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2804. I ran a word count on this thread.

    It is 603 pages long, has 12,247 paragraphs, 209,921 words, and 1,234,738 characters (including spaces between words).

    There are about fourteen ‘officially’ unemployed Americans, looking for a job, for each letter in this thread.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2805. The last two tweet now seen at

    http://topsy.com/twitter/patriotusa76

    Link to 3 places.

    These are the ones after

    patriotusa76: @AceofSpadesHQ I guess now I’m a “prankster” – is that an upgrade from hacker? LOL 05/30/2011 2 retweet

    Twitter I understand changed the way it shows tweets or some kind of software does and the two additional ones now don’t give a date but say

    “8 days ago”

    Oh wait – the bottom one just went to 9 days ago I think.

    Twitter was changing its software as all this was going on so we see both types of screen caps.

    A Twitter user can also delete tweets and we are told the first post May 30 tweet was a link to some kind of malware.

    These are not.

    The links are to:

    1) Screencap of dwp6776 maligning goatsred

    2) Screencap of 2438 and 2439 on this thread by goatsred attacking razor419 as Dan’s lawyer

    And THIS THREAD.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  2806. Greg (re: 2831)

    Ginger Lee tweeted the following on 3/13 at 11:25 am (Re: the time, I’m on the east coast and that’s what it shows me.)
    Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 3:50 pm

    Right, but in your post at 2:14, you’d said Starchild111 had tweeted Lee in March about her stalker, and in April about the DM she received from Weiner.

    I was just pointing out that it was roughly the other way around. The tweets about the Weiner DM come first (in March), the tweets about Lee’s stalker come afterward, in May. (In between, Starchild also tweets Lee a message of support when Lee is dealing with a lupus flare-up.)

    In any case, I second your primary point, which is that Starchild111 always seems to know pretty quickly when some woman is tweeting something flirtatious about @Repweiner.

    (Of course, we don’t know how many women may have been tweeting stuff about him that she missed.)

    Greg (bc8186)

  2807. Daley don’t get me started. Worst drivers of all time, self centered to the hilt. If you are ever on the better Cape. I’ll do Lobstah dinnah 🙂
    I have read everything from the beginning, its my Summer read ha. I have learned a lot here and I don’t mean any disrespect about the situation by being off topic. I think you all are doing a much better job of parsing than I could. Other than levity my 2c would really be 2c.
    My takeaway is I’m so pleased to know most of you are out there fighting the good fight with class and aplomb.
    The competing sides of these two portraits is truly stunning.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2808. Blackburnsghost – Lobstah dinnah would be wicked pissah.

    Not sure what the better Cape is, but I might be the one where the Kennedy’s hang out after Labor Day, suitably far away from them around the elbow. I did used to see some of that crowd when I took puddle jumpers into Hyannis, though.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2809. Comment by Dustin — 8/3/2011 @ 4:44 pm

    But how many Haiku?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2810. ppk_pixie is a prize. How do we encourage her to comment more?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2811. In short, this Dan Wolfe/Nikki/JohnReid,etc entity worked this matter like a real full-time job.

    Yeah. Which is why I tend to discount the theories that Wolfe/Reid was a “troll.”

    I think it was a full-time job.

    I’d like to know who was paying the freight.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2812. #2847(!!!) Limerick Avenger

    I agree about it being overblown.

    Hi everybody! It’s been a while since I commented, and I haven’t been in this thread for a while.

    Lots of goings on, I see.

    I am looking forward to Patterico’s summing-up post, a “what we know now” thing. It’s been a while, and I understand why it’s stayed off the main page…but, I’ve lost track.

    Maybe this weekend I’ll spend four or five hours and re-read this thread. It’ll probably be at 4000+ by then.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  2813. JD, Dustin, Mac- thank you all kindly. I told my son y’all said I rocked and he said “on purpose?” *eye roll* I’m no longer listening to him .

    Mike, its wonderful to “meet” you.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2814. This is the second person thingie that I have encountered that utilized pixie, and they were/are super awesome.

    JD (3da201)

  2815. JD, must be proof of the pixie dust at work.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  2816. Patterico was thinking that earlier re: job. Think he has one, who pays don’t know. Key.
    Daley best beaches up here. No Kennedys or Franks. Good people, great lobster, shitty drivers.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2817. Thanks ppk_pixie My pleasure. You’ve come in and taken this place by storm, it seems.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2818. Tommy’s appendix was gangrenous. He’s cracking jokes again.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2819. Pat I was thinking about rb not dw re:job

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2820. Pat I was thinking about rb not dw re:job

    Perhaps. I’m still not clear on whether the Ron/Neal/Darrah Ford side of this is connected to the Wolfe/Reid/Nikki side.

    I tend to think not, right now . . . but they share the common tactic of pretending to be enemies with their friends, to try to fool their real enemies.

    And they all suck at the pretense. That’s right, Ron. That’s right, Dan Wolfe. You guys suck at the pretense.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2821. So will weiner join the cracked head club?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  2822. Colonel haiku
    I’m on to you
    You not real colonel in haiku army

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2823. And mike I don’t believe that you are a goat. Nor red. Goats can’t type. No thumbs.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2824. Question- I remember, vaguely that it was once discussed that Weiner had been accused of this behavior with young girls prior (a run for mayor, iirc?)…has it been ruled out with a connection to that? If its upthread, smack me and I’ll go read as I should (and apologize for not remembering)

    I know that some people play games, for love of “the game”, but still…motive motive motive.

    Its just so…elaborate (?) for a game. I guess, finding someone that likes games of that nature, and having them run it for someone else who has a motive. Blah.

    Need my anti-conspiracy pills refilled.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2825. weiner and assh*le
    buddy schumer prominent
    liberal “Clymers”

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2826. gotta lift your tail
    seal your fate ain’t no reason
    just don’t you be late

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2827. I got the haiku
    blues it’s my quantity not
    my quality sheesh

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2828. Two sides of the same coin? A study in the political discourse of the day.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2829. Haiku
    On the Perry Farrell
    Of the Clyde ways

    Rim shot

    Ya

    I’ll be here all night folks

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2830. ridin’ a tin can
    sing two coins in a fountain?
    not ghost of a chance

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2831. ” the common tactic of pretending to be enemies with their friends, to try to fool their real enemies.”
    Comment by Patterico — 8/3/2011 @ 6:33 pm

    Or is it perhaps a matter of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”? The motive is an important factor in this puzzle, I think.

    Sue (86c170)

  2832. I’m too much of and eejit today to be mysterious. But anyone who gets my idiotic reference gets a free virtual bowl of chowder. Except rb he will get nothing and like it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2833. 2877 didn’t mean that at you haiku typo. Me sorry o

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2834. DW business was crumbling, RB is unemployed
    DW has crazy,psycho ex-gf, RB is crazy,psycho
    DW follows Weiner with a passion, Ron is passionate about people who followed Weiner
    DW would not let us hear his voice, Ron hears voices in his head all day and night.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2835. 2871.And mike I don’t believe that you are a goat. Nor red. Goats can’t type. No thumbs.

    Correct on all counts.
    It would take too long to explain how the screenname started but in a nutshell:friends and I were on sites and to keep track of each other, we were goats with colors–blue,green,white,red,and orange. It started out like that and just stayed that way. There have been some variations, but this seems to have found a niche ( and what a wonderful one it is ,huh?)
    There’s an idiot in Brooklyn insisting that everything I say is the work of a “sock”.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2836. Just heard. Gooong. For whom the bell tolls….Metallica not hemingway.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2837. Dems sending crotch shots.
    Are they just proving to us,
    that they don’t use socks?

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2838. http://healthyhomesteading.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/goat.jpg

    Its not red, but its cute 🙂

    Metallica..ohhh yeah. Oh, and for rb- Master of (sock)Puppets…rawk out with yer sock out!

    (sorry- couldn’t resist I lack impulse control, its a flaw)

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2839. @ 2859 Patterico

    My troll comments were just trying to show people saying “no one would put in that kind of time etc.” that they are wrong. Lots of trolls put in lots of time on things exactly like this. Putting troll vs. troll aside many well intended people troll Jihadists, pedophiles, etc. off of Myspace, Facebook, Youtube, etc. all the time. Countless hours. Countless people. Now it seems partisan politics (excluding lulzy stuff) should be counted in that as well.

    I’m not saying people aren’t being paid, for there is proof that that happens, just that money does not have to be the motivation even for hours upon hours of it.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2840. Oh ya ppk I knew I liked the cut of your jib right way!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2841. I’m not saying people aren’t being paid, for there is proof that that happens, just that money does not have to be the motivation even for hours upon hours of it.

    Comment by Noodles — 8/3/2011 @ 7:55 pm

    Dan/Reid is a troll whether he’s professional or just filing his days with lulz.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2842. Dems sending crotch shots.
    Are they just proving to us,
    that they don’t use socks?

    Heh. Now that was very funny, Machinist.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  2843. I don’t really want to keep harping on this because really it doesn’t matter one way or the other but why would anyone post at the Huffington Post/Daily Kos for free?

    I would argue it would/could be seen as similar motivation as to why someone would try and troll AW, or Breitbart, or whoever.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2844. colonel tip of hat
    machinist been caught stealin’
    except he hasn’t

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2845. twenty eight ninety
    three just ain’t what she ‘spose to
    be too bad so sad

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2846. Agreed Dustin! I used to think that he was an honest broker and probably did not want to come forward because of his past trolling etc. Wrong again! lol

    I hope we find out some new information soon.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2847. twenty eight ninety
    four got the colonel wanting
    more… show him the door?

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2848. RT @RonBryn1: @2LiveinLiberty Chris Saam who works at Microsoft hacked multiple Weiner accounts including @goatsred

    Someone “socking” it to Ron..And a friend of mine.
    And mentioned @patterico

    goatsred (66819b)

  2849. twenty eight ninety
    six babies born with little
    dicks Lord have mercy!

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2850. Mike I was a gazillion kidding. You are gold

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2851. Re: 2887 about trolling:

    The Dan Wolfe/Reid entity spent over five months doing this full-time and, as Mike Stack wrote in #2834:

    …the speed in which DW would contact me or the women/girls now seems to be remarkable. He was on 24/7 and would catch me as soon as I logged in and appeared on TweetDeck.

    To spend over five full months on this, the person(s) orchestrating it would need to pay the bills throughout this period.

    Maybe “Dan Wolfe” is wealthy and doesn’t need the paycheck, or maybe this is how he earns his paycheck. The puppeteer can be thoroughly obsessed but, between January and the end of May, he still needed to eat and plug in his computer.

    Joe (539494)

  2852. brynaert like riddle
    wrapped in conundrum dipped in
    whole lotta dogsh*t

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2853. yes!

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  2854. 2898.Mike I was a gazillion kidding. You are gold

    Comment by Blackburnsghost

    Stop it. I know that. Carry on!!

    goatsred (66819b)

  2855. Maybe “Dan Wolfe” is wealthy and doesn’t need the paycheck, or maybe this is how he earns his paycheck. The puppeteer can be thoroughly obsessed but, between January and the end of May, he still needed to eat and plug in his computer.

    Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 8:23 pm

    You make a good case.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2856. Comment by Dana — 8/3/2011 @ 8:10 pm

    You are too kind.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2857. Pixie—Great pix (get it)

    I can consider goatsbrown in another life.

    goatsred (66819b)

  2858. @ Joe

    Who knows what his situation is? Lots of unemployed people these days who own computers. I work but I am on the computer a lot.

    I’m not saying he wasn’t paid, I just think the chances that he wasn’t are just as good.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2859. Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 6:44 pm #2872

    It seems to me that very little has been ruled out so far. There are many theories and possibilities, but perhaps we will have to wait for professional input (such as law enforcement), before there will be more clarity.

    I thought I remembered something similar, but I can’t find it now. I also thought I remembered something about rumors that someone had something on RAW so he dropped out of the race against Bloomberg. But I am not finding the references this evening, so I may well be mistaken.

    Sue (86c170)

  2860. Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 7:49 pm #2886
    Great picture! Goatsred, you may want to shut off the webcam now… 🙂

    Sue (86c170)

  2861. I’m not saying he wasn’t paid, I just think the chances that he wasn’t are just as good.

    Comment by Noodles — 8/3/2011 @ 8:35 pm

    5 months of this? Of course I do not know. It just seems if he was on standby, always ready to jump into this with tenacity, that’s not what I’d expect from an unemployed fella.

    The bottom line is that the truth is going to be very unusual. If I apply common sense, I think Joe’s interpretation makes sense, but perhaps this is not so sensible.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2862. I respect Joe’s opinion and he could very well be right. If people want to rule out that he did this on his own that’s fine.

    I would say look at Ron and Neal. Do they seem rich? Would they do something like this all on their own? I would answer NO and Yes to those questions.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2863. Somehow I went into a you tube hole from Metallica to Motorhead to Ozzie crazy train. Somehow crazy train fits the bill.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2864. 2847:

    I wonder: how could anyone read
    All the comments that are on this screed…

    – The Limerick Avenger.

    Not just this screed, which has only been around since June 30, but all the previous threads on this blog related to the Anthony Weiner case since May 28th or 29th, plus maybe some Ace of Spades, and Lee Stranahan, and Prudence Paine, and maybe there are some others, like milowent, and some documents posted or single relevant posts somewhere like STLA – and about UCLA – and JGCA collection of contacts from journalists and bloggers – and New York Times and other newspaper stories – and maybe some comments on newspaper sites. And some basic Weiner stories too of course. And old stories about Weiner too. Not to mention researching tweets – and then the side issues. And then let’s keep up with new developments.

    If you save it to disk you might be able to do some text searches. Lots of points come up.

    It may not be all that much. It probably wouldn’t take up all that many broadsheet newsprint pages. I recall that the Starr report, which was published as a paperback book, just took up a couple of pages of newsprint. People who write non-fiction books probably read a lot more.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2865. I would say look at Ron and Neal. Do they seem rich? Would they do something like this all on their own?

    Ron actually does seem extremely worried about compensation sometimes. I was about to mention this. He does not like working for free. I don’t think he is.

    Neal also does what he does as a professional. He wants money. To the extent he is showboating for free that is, IMO, a sales exhibition.

    But I definitely do not want to discount what you’re saying, Noodles. It’s a big internet, and there are plenty of people willing to do this for free. If Dan was, then he showed tremendous dedication. He would have to really believe in … whatever it is he’s doing this for.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2866. Well hopefully we actually get to find out what happened (the chances seem to be dwindling minus the possible LE stuff).

    I bring this all up because I think the truth (if we ever get it) might not really be like the end of a game of CLUE.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2867. I just clicked on ppk pic of goatsgray haha I just about peed my pants. Mea culpa y’all I had no idea you grew em like that!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2868. I bring this all up because I think the truth (if we ever get it) might not really be like the end of a game of CLUE.

    Comment by Noodles — 8/3/2011 @ 9:05 pm

    I understand what you’re saying. I do not expect many of my questions will be answered, though that is OK so long as the most important one is (which is the LE issue).

    Dan and Reid could be at cross purposes from Ron and Neal, who are, after all, idiots posing as geniuses. They could be as clueless as we are, and on the hunt just as we are, but using thuggery instead of reasoning.

    The Dan aspect is one of trolling and annoyance, and is not as serious. But Mike and Gennette were screwed with and used and I would prefer they know who did this to them.

    But will this all tie together in a way where I say ‘ohhhh!’ and everything fits together? Nope.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2869. Ron actually does seem extremely worried about compensation sometimes.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/3/2011 @ 8:58 pm

    *biting lip*…naaah, too easy. 😉

    Blackburnsghost!! My fav song of all time is Diary of a Madman…love da Ozmeister. Backatcha- jib, and newsletter.

    Mike- stay red, its bold, conservative…and… you !

    Sue, I am so glad I wasn’t the only one who remembers that- now I’m gonna have to do some research and figure out where/when/what. There’s just something so intrinsically…fun…about research. That and I’m easy to amuse.

    Oh, and Ron…your tinfoil hat is slipping to the left, I’ve heard superglue can help. Also…boo.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2870. Gennette’s story has never squared with me. I would love to read her take on the WHOLE saga.

    That being said, I have nothing against her and like others I don’t feel she owes anyone anything.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2871. There’s just something so intrinsically…fun…about research. That and I’m easy to amuse.
    Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 9:15 pm #2917

    I will admit this puzzle has given me plenty to wonder about, and look up, too. 🙂

    Sue (86c170)

  2872. For Sue and ppk pixie

    I think you are referring to a 2009 NYT article about Howard Wolfson which mentioned how he got Weiner to drop out of the mayoral race
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/nyregion/12wolfson.html?pagewanted=all

    Joe (539494)

  2873. Recent developments:

    Breaking news? David Wu is resigning effective 11:59 PM tonight Eastern time. He had earlier said he would resign after the debt ceiling votes were cast.

    Somehow all these people are being forced out for something that is not a crime, yet members of Congress and state legislatures can be indicted and they still stay there. That is true in the House of Representatives (William Jefferson D-La) and that’s true in the state (New York State State Senator Carl Kruger. Kruger’s idea was never to put anything in his own name, but only in the name of members of his unofficial family with whom he lives but his living situation is not considered a scandal in itself, so it’s OK..)

    Why this sort of thing, of all things, is an immediate cause for resignation but nothing else is, I don’t know, but I’d like to know what’s going on and how they are all being pressured. Cutting off campaign help would only mean they don’t run for re-election.

    It seems like the only way anyone in this kind of situation can stay in office is if they are a United States Senator or a president. Sometimes, if it is really bad, and he might be expelled, a U.S. Senator may be forced out (Packwood) but never a president.

    Th New York Post has a picture of Anthony Weiner and his wife today. They say she is showing but it doesn’t really show. The Weiner baby is due on December 31 and is probably a boy according to the New York Post. They say the Weiners have been overheard discussing boys names with the neighbors.

    David Weprin got the Democratic nomination and the candidate who ran against him last November the Republican nomination all without any primaries and the election will be Sept 13th. David Weprin was probably picked because he wants to win this office but also doesn’t plan to stay. He is an Assemblyman who probably plans to run for Controller in 2013 (like he did in 2009) and this would give him a larger constituency and more press coverage. The current Controller, John Liu is probably planning to run for mayor.

    An interesting point here is that two or three weeks ago, on a Wednesday, former Governor David Paterson was substituting for John Gambling on his morning radio show on WOR (710 AM) [John Gambling had pretty good experiences with David Paterson as a guest while he was governor] and he had a discussion with Hank Morris [did I get the name right?] discussing candidates for mayor in 2013, and Hank Morris says the first time some candidate who is in a new category where nobody ever held that office before (or maybe never ran?) there is a lot of support, and he makes quite a point of it, and argues that’s why City Council Speaker Christine Quinn is strong candidate, but since this won’t be the first black Bill Thompson is not too big a factor – and he discusses all kinds of candidates and never mentions John Liu! (first Chinese)

    Of course Weprin isn’t the only person trying to move up into Liu’s job (Liu will lose his current job if he runs, win or lose) `City councilman Simcha Felder actually resigned just after wining re-election to take the deputy controller’s job so probably will have Liu’s endorsement.

    Redistricting will probably be done by the state legislaure in spite of all the promises to former mayor Ed Koch, partially because also it can’t actually legally be delegated to a commission. But also because they don”t want to do it of course.

    Koch endorsed the Republican in the race for Weiner’s seat (in a district that will probably be eliminated after 2012) in order to put pressure on Obama about Israel he said although Weprin is probably as favorable as you can get. He does come from a professional political family.

    Koch also wanted some assurances from the Republican about Medicare and one or two other things that could potentially have their budgets cut, which he got.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2874. Sue and ppk pixie

    Here’s the relevant excerpt from that Times article linked in #2920. there’s nothing about what was used to get Weiner to drop out, other than that bill that made it easier for foreign models to work in the US.:

    ————

    Mr. Wolfson claimed his first Democratic scalp in May, as Mr. Weiner — once a close ally in the Clinton campaigns — dropped out of the mayoral race amid a Wolfson-led behind-the-scenes campaign to force him to do just that.

    Working with a local press corps he had cultivated for years, Mr. Wolfson and his team dug up and then pushed a steady stream of politically damaging tidbits about Mr. Weiner, giving the congressman an early taste of what he might face come the fall.

    In one instance, Mr. Wolfson’s team discovered that Mr. Weiner had introduced a bill making it easier for foreign-born fashion models to work in the United States. In New York’s tabloid news culture — one Mr. Wolfson navigates well — the discovery produced unflattering news stories packaged with photographs of the congressman and sultry exotic models.

    Joe (539494)

  2875. For Sue and ppk pixie
    Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 9:41 pm

    Thank you, very much, Joe. That was exactly what I was looking for. Not sure how to apply it, but it’ll rattle around in my noggin for a bit.

    I appreciate you finding that.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2876. Comment by Joe — 8/3/2011 @ 9:54 pm
    Thanks, Joe! Do you happen to know whether there were other details somewhere about rumors regarding his “proclivities”? I thought I had seen something a while back, but now I can’t seem to find anything like that.

    Sue (86c170)

  2877. Wow, Sammy, that’s really comprehensive. Thank you.

    How are voters receiving Bob Turner in NY-9? I think his race against Weiner last November was something like 61%-39% or even 60%-40%

    Joe (539494)

  2878. http://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-weiner-dirt-2011-6

    This article alleges that Weiner was possibly getting donations from those foreign models…

    And this was one of this things that ran through my head before- blackmail. But why blackmail Weiner now (or in 2011, rather)? Wolfson was a H.Clinton ally …until she became SecSt.

    Ehh…too much to throw into the mix right now.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2879. Pat, just scrolling to the bottom of this thread is starting to make my computer overheat and I need all the bandwidth I can get to hack Ron. What do you say to starting a new thread at 3001? Can you start the numbering there so you won’t ruin your chance at breaking a record?

    jeffeneff (707f3d)

  2880. Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 10:06 pm #2926
    Perhaps the point was not an intention to blackmail Weiner with this event. Perhaps he was being blackmailed in some unrelated fashion, but his errant tweet placed both him and his blackmailer at risk.

    So much of this story feels like multiple agendas that end up at cross-purposes, then individual agendas running for cover for their own interests.

    Sue (86c170)

  2881. Sue (#2924)

    I don’t remember that, but do remember being really surprised to read that before getting married, Weiner dated a lot and was said to be considered a “ladies man.”

    Joe (539494)

  2882. Interesting trail as we get close to 3000.

    If Dan=JR9 why such a public contact via twitter to Gennette and Ethel to warn them against Rep. Weiner?

    This public dialog might have actually prevented Rep. Weiner from making a fateful errror.

    Joe ( Smith that is.. ) since we now have another Joe also posting in the thread.

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  2883. …but his errant tweet placed both him and his blackmailer at risk.
    Comment by Sue — 8/3/2011 @ 10:28 pm

    Sue, that’s…well, damn brilliant. It marries my chaos theory with a motive.

    I owe you a drink- blue label Johnnie Walker, on me 🙂 (and no Ouzo lol)

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2884. I owe you a drink- blue label Johnnie Walker, on me (and no Ouzo lol)

    Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/3/2011 @ 10:38 pm

    Definitely no Ouzo – lol… 😀

    My thanks for the Walker, it’s an excellent choice. 😉
    I think this whole thread is amazing. So many bits of information and theorizing being carefully parsed and examined. It’s fascinating.

    Sue (86c170)

  2885. Wow. The good stuff!

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2886. Wow. The good stuff!

    Comment by Machinist — 8/3/2011 @ 10:57 pm

    Of course! And if you bring your coffee, Sue and I will “spike” it with some fancy Blue 😉

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2887. I would never put $200.00 Scotch in coffee. Neat and warm is perfect.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  2888. Neat and warm is perfect.

    Comment by Machinist — 8/3/2011 @ 11:14 pm

    A man of discriminating tastes, and no doubt many other fine qualities. 😉

    Sue (86c170)

  2889. Sue 2924:

    Do you happen to know whether there were other details somewhere about rumors regarding his “proclivities”? I thought I had seen something a while back, but now I can’t seem to find anything like that.

    I don’t think there was anything like this known to anybody at all – or maybe that’s one key question here. There were some different pictures (that somebody had saved up) dating from his college days that were released at the end.

    Anthony Weiner himself said at his press conference on June 6 that this – or something like this – went back a couple of years – far enough to take him back to the time he was last running for mayor in 2009:

    “I’ve exchanged messages and photos of an explicit nature with about six women over the last three years.” >

    Also: Q: Can you speak to how long this has gone on?

    REP. WEINER: Some of these relationships — some date back as, I think, much as three years.

    AND

    Q: When did you tell your wife? When did you tell your wife?

    REP. WEINER: My wife has known about some of these online relationships since before we were married. And we spoke frankly about them because — well, we spoke frankly about them. But she didn’t know until this morning that I had not been telling the truth about whether I posted the Twitter posting last week.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/full_transcript_of_weiner_news_conference_JxlqpgCFcbffrWKKcwsyLL#ixzz1U2IsLXd3

    Notice that Weiner stops himself when he starts to say why he spoke frankly about them with his wife.

    As he’s speaking, he realizes that there is something there he feels he can’t say.

    Which leads to the idea that maybe he spoke frankly with her about that because he was being blackmailed about them in 2009 and it was the main reason he decided not run for mayor that year. Or he had to talk it over whether he should go ahead in spite of that.

    It should be pointed out that “three years” takes him back to 2008, about the time they linked up, so it might have been going on earlier, but she wuld not be interested in the earlier period.

    See:

    Weiner Decides to Stay Out of Mayoral Campaign by Michael Barbaro and David W. Chen, May 26, 2009

    “Over the last few days, as his self-imposed deadline for deciding whether to enter the mayor’s race neared, Mr. Weiner huddled with his longtime advisors in Washington: Jim Margolis, a media strategist; Anson Kaye, a political strategist; Joel Benenson, a pollster; and Huma Abedin, Mr. Weiner’s companion, an aide to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.”

    See also this:

    In About-Face, Wolfson Now Works for Bloomberg by Jim Rutenberg and Raymond Hernandez, July 10, 2009

    “In one instance, Mr. Wolfson’s team discovered that Mr. Weiner had introduced a bill making it easier for foreign-born fashion models to work in the United States. In New York’s tabloid news culture — one Mr. Wolfson navigates well — the discovery produced unflattering news stories packaged with photographs of the congressman and sultry exotic models.

    No matter that Mr. Weiner was someone Mr. Wolfson dispatched frequently as a surrogate against President Obama during last year’s primaries, or that Mr. Weiner’s fiancée, Huma Abedin, is a confidante of Mrs. Clinton’s whom Mr. Wolfson once considered a friend.”

    As I indicated, it could be, that there were some other shoes that Weiner was told could drop. And Huma Abedin would have known what Weiner knew.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2890. Joe Smith #2930

    That was interesting, so I did a few searches within “Dan Wolfe’s” timeline.

    With one notable exception, “Dan Wolfe” wasn’t warning these girls. He was deriding them, and sometimes copying publications like the Daily Caller or Weasel Zippers.

    This was never about “Dan Wolfe’s” concern for “young girls.” if it had been, he wouldn’t have treated them so badly:

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/20/11 7:09 PM
    RT @redrivergrl GennetteNicole I don’t know who has fascination..you or @RepWeiner?>>@RepWeiner likes following school girls @DailyCaller
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/60842595718410240

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/20/11 7:07 PM
    RT @redrivergrl GennetteNicole I don’t know who has fascination..you or @RepWeiner? @weaselzippers>>@RepWeiner still following school girls
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/60842153454215168

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/18/11 6:43 PM
    Now @RepNeedleDick you know you shouldn’t be trolling the school yards for followers. Leave the students alone! @GennetteNicole
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/60111203669774337

    ———-
    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:40 PM
    @goatsred It wasn’t directed at you @ETHEL we just noticed he has a strange thing for porn and kids, that’s all. Sorry.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58343756541333504

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:35 PM
    @mikemadden59 @goatsred @Lrihendry @ETHEL @starchild111 True she probably doesn’t know what a slime he is.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58342703544541186

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:31 PM
    @goatsred @Lrihendry @mikemadden59 @ETHEL @starchild111 LMAO!! School yards!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58341603504435200

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:19 PM
    LMAO @repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak. RT @ETHEL: talking to Rep Weiner from New York right now! is my life real?
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58338611724173312

    (Below, Wolfe makes it look like a retweet from a Mike Stack tweet, and makes it look like Ethel tweeted this to him.)

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:18 PM
    RT @goatsred: RT @ETHEL:@patriotusa76 Seriously talking to Representative Weiner from New York right now! Like is my life real?
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58338346027589632

    (Notice how he screws up the RT so it looks like Ethel tweeted it to him. He made a habit of it throughout.)

    ————-

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    5/17/11 10:43 AM
    @starchild111 @tamale102280 @goatsred @RepWeiner We have all read much about him and he is not as good as you think.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/70499660162285568

    (The next one is interesting, and most untrue. “They” didn’t help “others he conned.”)

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    5/17/11 10:42 AM
    @starchild111 @tamale102280 @goatsred @RepWeiner We are trying to help you as we have with others he has conned. You are the latest.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/70499555346624513

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    5/17/11 10:16 AM
    @goatsred @tamale102280 @RepWeiner also has history of following young girls and porn actresses. You should be very careful @starchild111
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/70492864320253952

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    5/17/11 10:12 AM
    @goatsred @tamale102280 @RepWeiner is a con artist and you are just the latest in a long line that are a victim. Be careful @starchild111
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/70491945742503936

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    5/16/11 4:20 PM
    RT @starchild111 Please tweet and follow @RepWeiner & tell him to be my prom date>>Poor girl. We should warn her. @goatsred @tamale102280
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/70222232114298880

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:35 PM
    @mikemadden59 @goatsred @Lrihendry @ETHEL @starchild111 True she probably doesn’t know what a slime he is.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58342703544541186

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:31 PM
    @goatsred @Lrihendry @mikemadden59 @ETHEL @starchild111 LMAO!! School yards!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58341603504435200

    Joe (539494)

  2891. PS: above, I obviously replaced Ethel’s name with “Ethel.”

    Joe (539494)

  2892. ppk_pixie, I meant it when I said it seems like this story is made up of multiple agendas. What if there were several different people heading in different directions, but then Weiner threw them all off track with his fumble-fingered “feelthy picture”? Any of the other agendas may have been suddenly at risk, along with Weiner, and so they all started CYA activities. Of course, each of those would have had a different goal as far as what they thought was effective CYA and appropriate deflection. The problem with sorting out the whole puzzle is that each one would also have a reason not to explain their particular piece, so it is very hard to rule out almost anything.

    Sue (86c170)

  2893. A man of discriminating tastes, and no doubt many other fine qualities. 😉

    Comment by Sue — 8/3/2011 @ 11:19 pm

    Agreed, Sue, agreed 🙂

    I must admit to “liquor ignorance”…I stick with my vodka and I’m a content pixie.

    As I indicated, it could be, that there were some other shoes that Weiner was told could drop. And Huma Abedin would have known what Weiner knew.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 8/3/2011 @ 11:19 pm

    Sammy, so much in depth info- this is more than I was hoping for- so many thanks to you.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2894. Whoa whoa whoa!

    In reading those tweets from DW…does anyone see what I see…”Freaks.”….that sounds exactly like our near and no so dear tin foil asshattery member, Ron. It “feels” like the same venom being spewed on twitter from him lately.

    And you are 100% correct Joe, DW is deriding, and in no way protecting those young ladies. And thank you for posting those as well.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2895. Joe 2929: [I] do remember being really surprised to read that before getting married, Weiner dated a lot and was said to be considered a “ladies man.

    The character of Congressman Stephen Collins, played by Ben Affleck, in the 2009 movie “State of Play” was based on Anthony Weiner – or at least Affleck used him to research his role:

    The Curious Friendship of Weiner and Affleck by Michael Barbaro, May 6, 2009

    “So when he [Ben Affleck] needed to research the character of Stephen Collins, a young, overtly ambitious congressman in the new thriller “State of Play,” he turned to Mr. Weiner. Over the past year, they have met repeatedly, over dinner in Washington and New York, as Mr. Affleck prepared for the film.

    “There is something beautiful about a politician who is a real fighter,” Mr. Affleck said. “Anthony is a guy who hits so hard and so clean.”

    The first meeting about the movie maybe didn’t go off so well:

    “Soon after landing the role in “State of Play” last year, [=2008] Mr. Affleck visited Mr. Weiner’s office in Washington to research the role. The shouting match that ensued, for about an hour, could be heard by Mr. Weiner’s aides down the hall.

    “He was a very partisan Obama guy, and I was a very partisan Hillary guy,” Mr. Weiner said. “We really got into it.”

    The topic of the movie, in which Mr. Affleck’s character is tangled in a Washington scandal involving a murdered mistress and a shadowy defense contractor, never really came up, both recalled. “We just spent too much time talking at each other,” Mr. Weiner said.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2896. My thanks to Sammy and Joe. It helps so much to go back over things like this, with different viewpoints and information.

    I agree about the tweets, they are not friendly. I wonder, though, about his intentions. I keep thinking about some of the teenagers I know; that kind of behavior would make them feel very protective of Weiner, the man that made them feel special by following them back. It would almost push them to try to be closer and more involved with Weiner.

    And for some reason that makes me think of Patterico’s earlier comment about “common tactic of pretending to be enemies with their friends, to try to fool their real enemies”.

    Confusing, but fun to try to figure out…

    I’m going to have to give up for the night. I’ll be back tomorrow. Have fun, everyone! Thanks for the wonderful conversations.

    Sue (86c170)

  2897. Gennette claims she has super secret evidence that just proves (!) Weiner knew Nikki was fake. But while she happily shares emails from Nikki, she refuses to let us see the screenshots of the DMs from Weiner that supposedly prove that he knew Nikki was fake.

    One wonders why.

    John Reid was not the only one with a one-sided agenda, it seems.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2898. We seem to have two totally different “first tweets” by Patriotusa76/Dan Wolfe. More later.

    It is just simply too difficult and time consuming to post this on this computer – and it is a desktop. I’ll post the link to patriotusa76’s first tweets by the other Joe later. the first ones are all re-tweets.

    Mike Stack could tell us at least if he recognizes any of those in comment number 2811. The links lead no place now. Of course tweets can be deleted. (If they were real though, they would likely not have been deleted very soon – unless Dan had a habit of deleting things.)

    They could also be total forgeries. It would be interesting to know if anyone ever verified these tweets. They did not come from any thing that collected them, but are all individual links.

    There is not one of the surviving early tweets in 2811. On the other hand they end well before
    10 PM on January 6.

    The Library of Congress is archiving every public tweet since April 14, 2010, plus all those that Twitter handed over, but it doesn’t look like they actually made it available to anybody yet.

    The FAQ says “There will be at least a six-month window between the original date of a tweet and its date of availability for research use.” but right now there may be nothing.

    Expect this to take a long time:


    “In addition to looking at preservation issues,

    (Preservation issues? This is digital. You can work with copies) the Library will be working with academic research communities to explore issues related to researcher access.”

    Which I think means there won’t be any, or much, for a long time.

    “The Twitter collection will serve as a helpful case study as we develop policies for research use of our digital archives. Tools and processes for researcher access will be developed from interaction with researchers as well as from the Library’s ongoing experience with serving collections and protecting privacy and rights.”

    There is a separate archive for members of Congress, which is accessible.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  2899. Hi Sammy,

    I saved Patriotusa76’s whole tweet stream shortly after this broke, just before he deleted it.

    The iphone app lets you save tweets and then makes that saved file searchable, so I searched each woman’s name and cut & pasted the results above.

    I’m sure there are probably archives of Wolfe’s Patriotusa76 tweets online to compare these against, but I definitely agree that one cannot take things like tweets or DMs or anything in this matter on faith, considering the fake DMs and fake IDs and fake….

    Joe (539494)

  2900. And with the reintroduction of the many one sided agendas…chaos again reigns.

    Isn’t it fun when you don’t know which scent to send the hound on *snort* but…on the positive side, it never gets boring 🙂

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  2901. Sammy,

    I apologize. I initially thought you meant the tweets from Wolfe to the women posted in #2939.

    On the January 6th tweets from Wolfe, I only posted a handful, in order, to make the point that, right away he latched on to Mike Stack.

    It’s possible that the app doesn’t show retweets made with the retweet button on twitter, but that would be odd.

    I don’t know how to explain how mine differ from yours.

    You might take a look at what I have and compare them against what you have by time stamp (mine are east coast). That should help at least a little for now.

    Joe (539494)

  2902. @Patterico 2945
    Pat there’s no need to throw a hissy fit because someone has information that will contradict a story that you happen to like. I feel like I’m having Deja Vu. This is exactly how you acted when I defended Ethel about the honey mustard tweet.
    And just because YOU haven’t seen something that doesn’t make it “super secret evidence.”

    I do find it interesting though that you felt like it was necessary to comment here, while we were emailing, to question my information/intentions… interesting.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2903. Sammy (re #2946)

    Here’s what I have from Patriotusa76 for the rest of January 6 and into the next day. I hope it helps clarify:

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 10:02 PM
    @goatsred yeah real vipers.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23575250075652096

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 10:02 PM
    @goatsred I want to vomit every time they compare obama to my personal hero RWR the ONLY great communicator!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23575168756490241

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 9:59 PM
    @goatsred three of THE most annoying asses!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23574431133605888

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 9:49 PM
    RT @goatsred: @presssec @repweiner @nancypelosi That sound you hear is the slow sound of the SWAMP draining. First,the GIBBS slides down,then Pelousy..
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23571871240822785

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 9:49 PM
    @goatsred Pelousy! hilarious man!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23571849543684096

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 8:47 PM
    RT @foxnewspolitics: List of Obama Administration ‘Czars’ http://fxn.ws/dIxNIj
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23556265015775232

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 8:13 PM
    RT @foxnewspolitics: Father of Fallen Soldier Says White House Turned Down Request for Obama Phone Call http://fxn.ws/dJggrq
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23547877380853760

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 3:32 PM
    #FF @Waterboarding4U
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23477117605904385

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 2:23 PM
    #FF @goatsred @Smakdaddy422 @LezzieBlowhan @BluShadows @FleshBomb @mtovet
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23459748502315008

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 2:20 PM
    @goatsred thanks we could sure use him right now. probably rolling over in his grave at the current state of things.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23459069972971520

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/7/11 2:19 PM
    @goatsred Thanks for the #FF man!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23458699645296643

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 10:01 PM
    RT @goatsred: LAtimes.com Blue Shield of California rate increase prompts criticism http://lat.ms/hzaknN obamacare being blamed
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23212622862090241

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:54 PM
    @goatsred thanks man! hopefuly we wont have to see Weener whine to much more and we can laugh at other things!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23210907161067520

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:51 PM
    @goatsred i enjoy yours too all the time man! you are on it!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23209974356250624

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:47 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 have a great night man!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23209029568303104

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:46 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 someones gotta give that guy tips on how to act if hes gonna stay in the closet. maybe his “wife” & her wife hillary can help
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23208917697822720

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:44 PM
    @EricCantor Time to repeal it! We don’t want obamacare forced on us! This isn’t a dictatorship!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23208421939478528

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:40 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 LOL! You know that bed hasn’t been touched! Probably separate homes.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23207350449995776

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:38 PM
    @johnboehner time to repeal obamacare! we’re sick of having this stuff forced on us!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23206909309882368

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:37 PM
    RT @michellemalkin: No shame: Obama praises new chief of staff Bill Daley’s wheeling & dealing experience as a laudable “genetic trait.”
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23206529989615616

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:36 PM
    RT @FoxNews: #BreakingNews: NPR Executive Who Fired #JuanWilliams Resigns
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23206263429009408

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:33 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 Told ya! LOL! @repweiner and his wife both in the closet. what’s a double beard marriage called? LOL!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23205488644587520

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:30 PM
    RT @Smakdaddy422 I just checked his wife out. I had know Idea Olive Oyl had kids! // @repweiner bragging about his ugly Olive Oyl wife.
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23204896031383552

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/6/11 9:27 PM
    @Smakdaddy422 did you see his tweet saying how beautiful she is man? god he is so in the closet. i would not be bragging about that ugly!
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/23204033158193154

    Joe (539494)

  2904. hmm It’s almost as if AW learned something about his achilles heel from his mayoral bid. Perhaps he hired a firm who’s specialty is social networking #hacking etc. One that would create a cadre of various online personalities that could simultaneously vet marks and harass or befriend (monitor) conservative “trolls”. Then when he sent the “weiner heard round the world” everyone went into emergency mode.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2905. Speaking of going into emergency mode: we have assumed/speculated Wolfe/Reid was on a payroll in part because of all the time he put in. Why, look at all the time Nikki put in talking to Gennette!

    Which makes me think: look at all the time Gennette put in talking to Nikki.

    Gennette swoops in and provides a neat little defense for Weiner re Nikki: why, he thought all along that Nikki was a tea party troll! The evidence? Screenshots that are conveniently disclosed only to the New York Times, which helped Ethel paper over inconsistencies in her story regarding how many DMs Weiner sent her. May I see those screenshots? No, I may not. Hmmm.

    In emails Gennette has pursued a course of character assassination towards me, repeatedly insinuating that I am wedded to the underage girl angle despite there being no evidence Weiner talked creepy to underaged girls. Ethel’s cape and tights references? Those aren’t creepy, apparently. The John Reid DMs I have not yet published? She insinuated I might have “fabricated” them.

    Gennette may not be a paid political operative, but if she were, she would not behave much different.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2906. Patterico – Gennette claims she does care about peoples’ intentions in the whole saga but only wants to find out who she was corresponding with.

    I agree that her story does not hold together when you examine it closely. She served as a Weiner Watchdog but claims she was not working for AW. Out of all the thousands of messages she exchanged with Nikki, she can immediately remember which ones JR9 posted that are real and which ones are fake.

    Does not compute, but what do I know, I’m way too old to understand these things.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2907. Patterico re #2953

    .

    …The John Reid DMs I have not yet published? She insinuated I might have “fabricated” them.

    Based on “John Reid”s” history, it makes sense that she would think that Reid (not you) fabricated DMs. You called him out on bad photoshopped DMs in the past.

    Joe (539494)

  2908. I had a longer comment that made clear I tend to believe Gennette, though her selective disclosure I find suspicious. It got nixed because the Internet is out at my house and I am relegated to the phone.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2909. It got nixed because the Internet is out at my house and I am relegated to the phone.
    Comment by Patterico — 8/4/2011 @ 7:25 am

    Hackers, obviously.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2910. But I also noted I don’t necessarily believe her about everything. And her level of investment is interesting to say the least.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2911. If my Internet went out I’d use my phone to give the computer Internet connection because this thread is a lot to load scroll through on the phone (and I have a good phone). Dunno if you can use iPhone to get your computer online though.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2912. I take what Gennette has shared as the truth, if not always the whole truth (she has a boyfriend & she’s not obligated, by any means, to tell everything she knows)…but on the specific things she’s discussed I’ve always trusted that she’s truthful.

    That doesn’t mean that we have to concur with her assumptions about the motivations of Nikki, etc…and may have to filter through what is simply observation “Nikki said this” vs. conclusions drawn “Nikki meant this because” based on assumptions held by GC and many others, but, on the whole, quite truthful and good-natured about it all.

    I think Gennette wants to figure this out like many of us do. (And a few don’t.)

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2913. One point: claiming Nikki was always known to be fake does not just provide a cover story for Weiner.

    It also provides one for Gennette.

    That’s why I said all that stuff to Nikki about how I thought Weiner was cute, you see. It was not that I had a thing for him. I was just baiting her!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  2914. Koam@wittier #2960

    I think Gennette wants to figure this out like many of us do. (And a few don’t.)

    Speaking of the few who don’t, he/she/etc. can’t be happy that Gennette and Mike Stack have apparently exchanged email and are cordial here.

    I doubt “Dan Wolfe” saw that coming.

    Joe (539494)

  2915. Again, I tend to think she is largely telling the truth. But the fact that she shares this information only with the NYT … It raises questions. I note that the NYT papered over embarrassing aspects of Ethel’s story. Perhaps Gennette found something attractive about an organization willing to smooth out the inconaistencies in a young woman’s story?

    Patterico (3ed915)

  2916. “I take what Gennette has shared as the truth”

    koam @wittier – You may very well be right. I believe one of Patterico’s issues and mine has been selective disclosure.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2917. I don’t think a college girl from Seattle is as discerning in choosing a media outlet as you may be giving her credit for.

    NYT is a brand name she’d be aware of. They were polite. That, right there, was probably enough for her.

    Joe (539494)

  2918. Then again, After the Downing Street fabrications blew up, we had nothing.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2919. I take what Gennette has shared as the truth, if not always the whole truth (she has a boyfriend & she’s not obligated, by any means, to tell everything she knows)…but on the specific things she’s discussed I’ve always trusted that she’s truthful.

    I agree with much of this but I also think the “we knew Nikki was a troll” story is convenient both for Weiner and Gennette.

    And somebody went to great lengths to warn me and Ace not to look into Weiner and Gennette. Which, ultimately, is the only part of this I still much care about.

    I care about Wolfe/Reid only to the extent that that topic helps me figure out who threatened me and my family.

    Patterico (3ed915)

  2920. @DaleyRocks 2954
    How can you say that my story doesn’t hold together? That’s crap. Yes, Nikki and I exchanged a lot of DMs… if a DM appeared that showed some obscure conversation I probably wouldn’t be able to remember if I wrote it or not. But when it’s something like:

    “”obsessed? how big an obsession?” And I said, “Big.” And he said, “That’s not the only thing that’s big.” Ah I LOVE this man!”

    OF COURSE I’m going to know if I wrote (or in this case, didn’t write) something like that.

    @Patterico
    I never once insinuated that you fabricated DMs. I said there’s a good chance that you’re in the possession of fabricated DMs. That’s just an educated guess. JR9 has done it before.
    And please stop trying to act like it’s weird that I would trust the NYT versus a rightwing blog, when you know that it makes perfect sense.

    Anyone who thinks I’m selective with the information I give to Pat, I guess you’re right in a way. Pat knows very well that I’m only giving him info that could help uncover answers about who the Reids are. Which is also the main reason I come to this blog… I think I’ve made that point clear enough.
    Pat and I are not allies, we don’t trust each other… why would I start giving him information NOT related to the “Who is John Reid/DW” investigation?

    Pat, I told you that AW knew that Nikki was a fake. You told me that that information wasn’t corroborated. I told you that it was and that I gave the screencaps to NYT. And then you got really agitated… why?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2921. If someone issues a benign threat saying “stop looking into Gennette and Anthony Weiner”… doesn’t that sort of sound like someone who is trying to make it seem like there is still something to be found.
    Someone who is, perhaps, wanting you to dig deeper…
    Sort of sounds like when Dan Wolfe said to just keep pressing me and he was sure that you’d find something, he was sure there’d been inappropriate DMs.
    Just my opinion.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2922. “How can you say that my story doesn’t hold together? That’s crap.”

    Gennette – No need to get snippy. You said people here are entitled to their opinions and you don’t care what they are, that your only interest is finding out the truth about who you were talking to.

    You stick to your stories and I’ll stick to mine. Yours have not held together.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2923. Gennette, you understand why your ‘I can’t share that with you, just the NYT’ would frustrate someone with an urgent need to protect his family.

    I hate theorizing on the threat aspect because if I’m wrong it’s very counterproductive, but Alicia made a point of making you the center of her crimes. That should motivate you to help Patterico find them.

    I have no hostility to Gennette at heart, but I don’t want to lamely pretend I can ingratiate myself with her. I urge her to share what Patterico is specifically asking about, at least in private, even if it’s not yet clear how that will help identify Nikki (her established motivation).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2924. The could be the point where a few of us start dogpiling on Gennette and she stops trying to help, but that wouldn’t be productive.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2925. I told you that it was and that I gave the screencaps to NYT. And then you got really agitated… why?

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 8:29 am

    He doesn’t think they are reputable journalists. He thinks if there are clues that are not convenient to their story arc, they might not report them.

    They are interested in the overarching story. He is interested in figuring out who was behind the hoaxes.

    I have seen Patterico get very agitated over this and I’m sure you’re right. I think he’s doing his best, but when someone throws a roadblock up it just the most frustrating thing. Imagine the harassment that happened to you, Gennette. That conversation that turned out to be an interview about Ginger Lee, for example. Imagine Patterico’s real life, offline experience has been at least 1000X worse.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2926. NYT smoothed over the details of Ethel & AW’s conversations…to wit, Ethel quoted AW as writing “shit” along with “cape & tights” (just like he had done with the full-on, naughty-talking Lisa from Vegas). The NYT left “shit” out of the quote, not using “[expletive]” and also not even punctuating the quote correctly with an elipsis to show that words had been omitted.” In this case, NYT was clearly whitewashing actual evidence that it had that looked not so good for Weiner (a congressman, especially a naught one, should not be so familiar & casual with teen girls he doesn’t know, and certainly shouldn’t use expletives in written correspondence.)

    NYT, in the key Preston/Intern article that revealed that poor Tommy (get well soon) had been duped, also misled the reader into the suggestion that Nikki had initiated Weiner conversations with Gennette. Gennette graciously and tellingly corrected that incorrect insinuation on these pages. One would never, ever have known that by reading the NYT or by reading the thousands of media outlets that base their stories on what Preston wrote. Either Preston didn’t know about that detail because she wasn’t told, or didn’t read the DMs closely enough, or she ignored it because it didn’t fit her theme that Nikki was a right-wing operative stalking Weiner in order to collect dirt to use against him. It’s a key fact that Nikki talked to GC for many weeks, in thousands of messages, and Nikki never brought up Weiner. You have to read Patterico to know that, thanks to Gennette, and Patterico, and no thanks to the Grey Lady & Mrs. P.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2927. @DaleyRocks
    If you’re going to say something, like someone’s story doesn’t hold together (which means you’re calling me a liar) you could at least present some valid reasons for that.

    @Dustin
    Gennette, you understand why your ‘I can’t share that with you, just the NYT’ would frustrate someone with an urgent need to protect his family.

    I hate theorizing on the threat aspect because if I’m wrong it’s very counterproductive, but Alicia made a point of making you the center of her crimes. That should motivate you to help Patterico find them.
    What he’s asking for wouldn’t help him figure out who’s threatening him.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2928. What he’s asking for wouldn’t help him figure out who’s threatening him.

    Perhaps. I hate theorizing about it because it’s actually very serious. I hope you’re wrong, and there’s some off the wall clue in there that would help. I am not going to insist you’re wrong or anything. I meant what I said when I thanked you for meeting us halfway. Just understand this guy needs any help we can offer him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2929. And it’s not him being threatened. It’s just son, his daughter, and his wife. And I wouldn’t even say it’s just threats anymore.

    While I am prone to overreacting I am not doing so in this case.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2930. @Dustin
    I’m not saying any of these threats should be taken lightly… I’m saying that I’m almost positive that his reasons for wanting the screenshots have nothing to do with protecting his family… I’m absolutely sure that he wants to protect his family, but that’s not why he wants my screenshots.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2931. I’m not saying any of these threats should be taken lightly

    I’m glad.

    that’s not why he wants my screenshots.

    Well, the threats specifically related to not pursuing any aspect of this story related to you, and those screenshots are basically all that is.

    I think Patterico is sitting there thinking about the intense motivation of whoever is behind the crimes against his family, and realized there’s a good chance they made this about you because something you know or have seen (and yet don’t even know its significance!) would implicate whoever is behind these crimes against his family.

    What kind of person attacks a prosecutor with a well coordinated and sophisticated attack? It wasn’t an idiot and it wasn’t for hoaxing or misdirection. They wanted him to drop the Gennette aspect of this.

    I don’t think that’s fair to you, and I want to underline I really mean it when I say you were used.

    It seems like one thing Patterico will want to do to learn more about his attackers is to study specifically what they told him not to study.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2932. My “I’m glad” sounds patronizing. Wasn’t meant that way.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2933. @Koam 2974
    I agree with everything you’re saying. It is important to note, however, that Nikki was the first one to actually say his name and that once the subject was introduced she never stopped talking about him.
    It was, actually, quite obsessive. She even asked me to vouch for her (she wanted me to tell him that she really was who she said he was) once he called her out for being a troll.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2934. Dustin,

    They made those threats demanding he stop looking at Weiner and Gennette because it automatically focuses attention on Gennette, since Weiner isn’t a possibility. And if he’s concentrating on Gennette, the DanWolfe/JohnReid/Nikki/Fake family gets left alone.

    Again, they’re putting a real live person on the hook here, just as they did to Mike Stack.

    Joe (539494)

  2935. “automatically focuses attention on Gennette, since Weiner isn’t a possibility. And if he’s concentrating on Gennette, the DanWolfe/JohnReid/Nikki/Fake family gets left alone.”
    Comment by Joe — 8/4/2011 @ 9:10 am

    I’m not following your meaning. Could you clarify a bit more, please?

    Sue (86c170)

  2936. “If you’re going to say something, like someone’s story doesn’t hold together (which means you’re calling me a liar) you could at least present some valid reasons for that.”

    Gennette – The reasons have been discussed many times over the course of this thread and you are an admitted liar in your conversations with Nikki, so don’t try to hang your record of truthfulness on me. You have personally admitted to being a liar in your own interest. To me that suggests your representations need to be reviewed very, very carefully.

    First, before initiating dialogue with Nikki you claim to have been watching her conversations with others, Weiner admirers and non-Weiner admirers. That’s what Weiner Watchdogs do, I guess. Your “intuition” told you there was something just not right about Nikki.

    When the two of you started conversing you claim it got very intense quickly, but was it really Nikki or you who escalated the intensity of the conversation levels. You claim Nikki did not introduce the subject of AW into the conversations, that you were the one to do that. Why Gennette?

    Then you lied to Nikki about the content of you conversations with AW. Why Gennette?

    Now you claim to be able to verify some emails from JR9 but deny the veracity of others that undermine your story? That is very convenient for an admitted liar who has only disclosed information to the NYT who has not in turn disclosed squat.

    Should I keep going?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2937. Sue,

    By saying that Weiner’s not a possibility, I mean he’s not available here to take questions.

    Gennette is, and so by pointing at her and saying, ‘Stay Away,’ it’s natural to go straight to Gennette and demand an explanation. With time and energy spent on that, less time is spent exposing DanWolfe/John/Nikki etc

    Joe (539494)

  2938. I forgot to mention that I’m just an old person who does not understand kids.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2939. Thank you very much, Joe. 😉

    Sue (86c170)

  2940. “Then you lied to Nikki about the content of you conversations with AW.”

    Gennette – Or was the content of the DM’s really as you described to Nikki and now you are conveniently claiming you lied about them?

    How do we really know?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2941. Joe, thanks for putting up those early PatriotUSA76 tweets at #2811 (on my screen) — I somehow missed those yesterday, along with your response to one of my posts.

    I’ve always assumed the Topsy.com archive of Patriot’s tweets didn’t get everything, as it only includes about 1000 tweets total over five months, and Patriot was a fairly frequent tweeter, it seemed. Do it’s great to hear there is a potentially more comprehensive source. Have you thought about uploading the entire file you made to the web somewhere?

    Also, did you happen to collect tweets from other players in the saga (i.e., Starchild111, MarienelaAlecia) in similar fashion?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2942. Gennette,
    We all know you are holding some cards close to your chest, for your own reasons and that is totally your right. Maybe try not to get aggravated at people for questioning your story if you are clearly and admittedly not really telling all of it. Thank you for trying to help but…
    You don’t have kids. One day you will and god forbid if anyone threatened your family I can assure you it would feel just about like your soul dropped out of you and there was nothing but wind and dried leaves blowing around in your head. If you don’t trust Pat then take your info to an IT person of your own choosing or to someone you trust. Maybe you and Mike should work together? Seems to me you may be different birds but you sure as heck are riding in the same boat that some very bad people put you in.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  2943. “They made those threats demanding he stop looking at Weiner and Gennette because it automatically focuses attention on Gennette, since Weiner isn’t a possibility.”

    Joe – I think that theory involves making the assumption that Patterico is stupid. I don’t think he is and I don’t think the people involved think he is, but you never know.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2944. Patterico does get a little agitated & posts in haste. (I’ve done the same.) I think we’re used to it. He usually comes back to clarify, honorably.

    Dustin is right about NYT’s commitment to their bigger story arc: that bad guy conspirators are targeting their progressive good guys online. (Preston compulsively retweeted a few such headlines in recent weeks….many of which turned out to be untrue stories.)

    But when she got a whif that it may have been Neal behind this, she suggested to Lee (& the intern) (grains of salt all around) that this was dangerous territory & allegedly told the intern “do not engage”

    And she says: “You just have no idea how deep this goes.

    And I said, “What actually happened?”

    And she said, “I don’t know that his (the prof’s) website is real.”

    [ His website that Preston “suspects” may not be real.
    Google search for Lew Hunter Screenwriting]
    Lee: “And I was like, well, what do you mean? Because I’ve been to his website and it was real (chuckles) It was, it was real (chuckles more).”
    And she was like
    “I don’t even know if it’s real. I don’t even know who who I’ve talked to. These groups that are doing this sockpuppet stuff, you have no idea what they’re capable of. They can fake entire sites. The can get people… “
    Lee: “And I’m just like whoa, whoa, wait a minute, what are you talking about? why do you think that this has happened? do you have some proof?”
    And she’s like: “Lee, you have no idea how deep these things can go. Groups like Anonymous or the Yessmen, they are really capable, they could fake identities.”

    Which leads to this: if her intern is really working in an alliance with Neal & Kimberlin, as Patterico says, (see alleged DMs and emails from her to the intern (grain of salt, etc.)…and her public tweets to him) what does that say about NYT & the types of people it chooses to work with?

    Rember that the innocent JG in Cali took notes and showed that Preston had apparently scrubbed her twitter history, of certain tweets related to Weinergate, apparently including, June 28th’s

    NYT_JenPreston: @ronbryn Please do not make any more references about me. Thank you.

    NYT_JenPreston: @ronbryn I told you to call me.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2945. @DaleyRocks

    There are quite a few things wrong with your comment…
    For starters, yes, I lied to Nikki the ENTIRE time we talked. She was a troll and I knew that, why would I be honest with her??

    Who else on here thinks that lying to Nikki, a troll, makes me an admitted liar?? I think that’s really ridiculous.

    Let’s see, what else… before initiating dialogue with Nikki I was watching her conversations with others which makes me a Weiner Watch Dog?? WRONG. SHE initiated conversation with ME, once a random person began talking to me I looked at her profile, naturally, and saw that she was only talking to girls who followed Weiner, and she was asking questions about him.

    Nikki, DM’d me way more than I DM’d her, talking about random stuff, making up elaborate stories about her life… after two weeks of this, yes, I brought him up, but she said his name first and she never let the subject of Anthony Weiner die after that. I think it’s pretty clear to most people why, after two weeks, I brought him up… I knew that was why she had contacted me.

    And of course I lied TO NIKKI about the content of my conversations with Weiner. I’m really trying to figure out why you would think that was weird.

    Also, I’m not sure which emails from JR9 that you’re talking about? There’s a difference between things being convenient and things just being facts.

    So, yeah… you actually should keep going because nothing in your comment proved anything.

    I’m an admitted liar for lying to a sock? Who I knew was lying to me? That’s really the best you have?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2946. Again, they’re putting a real live person on the hook here, just as they did to Mike Stack.

    This is an intelligent observation. I do agree the way they did this is not helpful to Gennette. That’s why I keep noting she’s been used and why I do not have any hostility towards her.

    HOWEVER, you say they mentioned her entirely as a misdirection, and that doesn’t ring true to me. You don’t know that.

    When a criminal repeatedly acts as though their motivation is to stop scrutiny of X, X probably will tell us something about them. Some of this story is not super-spy misdirection and 4D laser chess.

    That they took it to this level over shutting off Gennette is more likely than not to have something to do with Gennette. Looking into it is justified.

    And if he’s concentrating on Gennette, the DanWolfe/JohnReid/Nikki/Fake family gets left alone.

    And that’s part of why I do not feel comfortable theorizing about this. You could be right. If this was the plan, did it help? There wasn’t much need to drive a wedge between Gennette and Patterico at that time, after all. It increased the scrutiny on Dan (and indeed, led indirectly to us seeing that Dan is a snake). I don’t see how making this story far more urgent in one direction helped get attention off Dan/Reid. In fact, Reid is still the subject of this specific inquiry.

    I am trying to explain to Gennette why it is so understandable for Patterico to seek out X to learn about the criminals who repeatedly appeared afraid of X being discovered. Even if Gennette somehow knows X will help no one, at least Gennette should understand why this would be an obvious direction Patterico would take due to the details of some of the threats.

    Just to be clear, I am not asking anyone to drop any other direction they think this should go in. And I do not think an ‘it was misdirection’ theory should either. I just think everything should be followed.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2947. Patterico, at #2471 (time stamp 7/28/2011 @ 12:17 am), you mentioned you have DMs from Weiner to Nikki that you have not released.

    Any plans to release them?

    Also, can you say why you’re not releasing them yet? Thanks.

    Greg (bc8186)

  2948. Comment by Greg — 8/4/2011 @ 9:31 am

    you mentioned missing some quotes posted yesterday by joe. I experienced similar…they were not there the first time I read through, and then later a bunch of quotes and links showed up. could be a site glitch. I’ve never seen an old post get edited with a bunch more info added…just if a mod comes in and deleted someone’s private info, etc, have i seen old posts change here.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2949. Re 2991 Daileyrocks

    Joe – I think that theory involves making the assumption that Patterico is stupid. I don’t think he is and I don’t think the people involved think he is, but you never know.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/4/2011 @ 9:32 am

    I think your reading of that is completely off. No one thinks Patterico is “stupid.” I certainly don’t.

    Joe (539494)

  2950. Thank you Koam.

    Look at Ron Brynaert, recently affiliated with the NYT, and understand why we hesitate to leave anything to the NYT.

    I am sure Ms Preston is not some sociopath political manipulator. If she knew what the hell was going on, surely she would report it. But their real problem is that they somehow don’t always recognize their own biases. That’s how they wind up affiliating with Ron Brynaert, and how they may have overlooked or even papered over ‘unimportant’ details.

    I don’t know. Theorizing about what I don’t know is fun, but pointless.

    Having internet problems and will probably not be able to reply for some time. Either I’ve been hacked or somehow my cable modem is broken (I suspect the latter). Headed to Target to replace it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  2951. To Koam & Greg

    I’m new, so my comments are probably moderated and showing up later.

    Joe (539494)

  2952. 3000!!!!!

    Auntie Fraud (2f38aa)

  2953. I’m new, so my comments are probably moderated and showing up later.
    Comment by Joe — 8/4/2011 @ 9:42 am

    Multiple links often get flagged by the filters. I released those as soon as I saw them, but things can move quickly around here and I’m not around nearly as much as I used to be.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2954. I really would like to know… I want everyone to answer this question… spare me the long reasoning, a simple yes or no will do:

    I lied to Nikki 1) because I didn’t want to give her factual, personal information about myself and 2) because I needed to say certain things to get information out of her… in your opinion, does lying to Nikki, the fake 17 year old girl, make me an “admitted liar”?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2955. “I think your reading of that is completely off. No one thinks Patterico is “stupid.” I certainly don’t.”

    Joe – I’m not suggesting you think Patterico is stupid. What I am saying and I believe Dustin also said is that the theory you suggested is so obvious that virtually anybody with a brain would see through it. Again, that excludes many on the left.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2956. It’s a key fact that Nikki talked to GC for many weeks, in thousands of messages, and Nikki never brought up Weiner.

    Comment by koam @wittier — 8/4/2011 @ 8:47 am

    This does seem out of character for Starchild111, who is usually quite direct and to the point with those she contacts, especially when it’s about Weiner.

    Any theories as to why Starchild111 did not explicitly engage Gennette about Weiner sooner?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2957. Gennette, do you remember the date when Weiner first started following you?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2958. @Greg

    No, I don’t. It was early-ish April.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2959. “does lying to Nikki, the fake 17 year old girl, make me an “admitted liar”?”

    The question answers itself.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2960. @DaleyRocks 3007
    So if Patterico hadn’t been completely honest with JR9 in his attempts to get information out of him, would you also say the he’s an admitted liar?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2961. I think, according to DaleyRocks, we’re all “admitted liars”… no one on here is to be trusted. So I guess I won’t take offense at that label.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2962. …would you also say the he’s an admitted liar?
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 10:30 am

    Not if he didn’t admit it. 😉

    Seriously, you asked for yes/no answers and the question technically does answer itself.
    Do I believe you are a pathological liar? Not at all.
    Did you admit to lying? Yes.
    Taking your reasoning as fact, was it justified? Yes.
    Do I think you always tell the entire truth here? Not at all.
    Should you? Not if you don’t want to. Keep in mind that people are going to wonder why, and sometimes they will speculate about your motives.

    I’d like to see you help Patterico, even if it doesn’t appear to follow your own stated agenda. I believe it would help you both.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2963. Greg,

    I didn’t get “Nikki” or “Marianela’s” feeds. I assume they were deleted right away.

    I wish.

    @Patriotusa76’s tweets, over 1,500, I think, showed someone totally anti-Muslim along with being obsessively anti-Weiner. I wonder how strong that link is (if there’s a link) and if it means anything.

    @jihadihunter wrote a diatribe against Weiner in March, which Wolfe loved and retweeted several times. I think it was called “Weinerdom” or similar. I’ll find that link and post it.

    I found it interesting, in part, because @jihadihunter is out west and this was so focused on a NY congressman, and posted it in a forum related to his state. I may have missed the connection, though.

    Joe (539494)

  2964. Here’s one of @Patriotusa76’s tweets on @jihadihunter’s Weiner article:

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    3/24/11 6:24 PM
    RT @Jihadihunter: Rep Anthony “Little Dick” Weiner http://tinyurl.com/4tou5o8 #nyc #redeye #tcot #gop #teaparty #foxnews #twisters #weinerdom #palin #ocra
    https://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/51046851796938752

    Joe (539494)

  2965. @Stashiu3
    I’ve never once lied here. Granted, this isn’t the place that I’m going to come to divulge information that’s unrelated to the Reid case, I wouldn’t go to any blog and write a tell-all book in the comments section. But I’ve never ONCE lied.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2966. Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 9:48 am

    No, if we take the premise to be accurate.

    But then, because it’s based on all of us accepting your conclusion (“Nikki was obviously fake”), do we have to accept everything you’ve figured out?

    If we accept that one assumption — that Nikki is fake and therefore lying to her to find out the truth is OK — it does give you the liberty to declare other people fake (we trust you to do so, evidently), and therefore lie to them. I assume that because at least some of the commenters here are not fake, even though some are fake, that that most good people wouldn’t be lying here just to fake out the fakers. And I don’t think you’d abuse that.

    We saw someone else decide certain facts in his head, and then give himself justification to lie publicly based on those “facts,” which may or may not have been correct. This eroded our trust in what he says, permanently.

    And I’m not arguing with you. I accept your premise, within limits, and am discussing the implications for all of us if we accept it.

    So, “No.”

    Also,Nikki & Marianela were 16 and were through at least June according to John.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2967. Didn’t say you lied here Gennette, just that you don’t always tell the entire truth. You could say the same thing about me if you care to. I don’t comment under my real name and don’t share it publicly, so I’m not telling the entire truth (for good reason, but it’s still not the entire truth). That doesn’t make me a liar, but people have the right to question my credibility.

    Now, I have an established “persona” here that gives people something to judge me by. Am I consistent in my statements and positions? Do I say things that are provably false? If in error, do I admit it? The answers speak to my credibility, which everyone must decide for themselves. I tend to think you’ve been truthful here, so I don’t consider you a liar. I also know (by your own statements) that you haven’t told everything… fair enough. I don’t have a problem with you deciding that a comment section is not where you want to share that information. I do hope that you’ll consider sharing what you know with Patterico. I can vouch for his integrity and discretion. Like I said earlier, I think you’d end up helping both of you.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2968. Following are a couple of the many tweets from @patriotusa76 on the possibility of Weiner running for NYC mayor. He was clearly very distressed at the prospect of Weiner getting near the mayor’s office, both for NYC and as a Conservative.

    “Victory Mosques for all,” he warned (or half joked.)

    They’re not consecutive. The links are broken on purpose so the comment filter will accept the post.

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    1/11/11 8:56 PM
    @goatsred can’t stand that guy! hear he’s running for mayor of NY. God help NY!!! hope they are smart enough to see through that snake!
    h ttps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/25008200570900481

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    3/16/11 10:19 PM
    @Conservativeind Mayor of NY is second most powerful position in US. Conservs need to worry about this and get organzied against this snake.
    htt ps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/48206774670598144

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    3/18/11 9:54 PM
    @SaintRPh No but I have family that are. I shudder to think what they will have to go through with him as mayor. Victory mosques for all!
    htt ps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/48925332803293184

    Joe (539494)

  2969. Patriotusa76′s tweets, over 1,500, I think, showed someone totally anti-Muslim along with being obsessively anti-Weiner.

    Comment by Joe — 8/4/2011 @ 10:44 am

    Joe, these early Patriot tweets are very helpful, thanks for posting.

    One question I have: Using the Topsy.com archive of Patriot’s tweets and Tommy Christopher’s archive at DailyDose.US, I was never able to find any PatriotUSA76 tweet focusing on Weiner’s online womanizing until he starts tweeting about Ginger Lee on 04/12.

    Do you see any in your archive before that date that talk about Weiner following women, or anything else that characterizes him as a womanizer, sexter, etc?

    Greg (bc8186)

  2970. “Taking your reasoning as fact, was it justified? Yes.”

    Stashiu3 – Gennette claims in addition to what she said in #3002 that the nature of her communications with AW was more intimate than they actually were.

    She has not addressed that “lie.”

    Is it true or not? We have no way of telling. It is very convenient for her now to claim it was a lie.

    From her 3002:
    “2) because I needed to say certain things to get information out of her… in your opinion, does lying to Nikki, the fake 17 year old girl, make me an “admitted liar”?”

    What was the role Gennette was functioning in that she needed to “get things out of” Nikki? Again, that role has always been unexplained.

    Omission of information is certainly different than active lying and I disagree with Gennette’s conclusion @3009. She is obviously too young and inexperienced to understand those nuances.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2971. @Koam
    Yeah, the age thing is a bit unclear. I don’t know where 16 or 17 came from because, and I don’t know if I ever shared this, Nikki told me that she was 18! Or maybe it was “almost 18”.
    I think that’s because she got tripped up though… she was telling me about how she knew about all of the best clubs in LA and I asked her if she had a fake ID. She said no. So she sort of had to say she was 18.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2972. Greg,

    These are the first two tweets I found from him using key word searches for ‘girl,’ ‘Ginger,’ and ‘women’ (nothing relevant on the latter.)

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/12/11 5:20 PM
    Among his few follows, @RepWeiner follows press, fellow members of Congress and PORN actress Ginger Lee. Trying to change his image?
    ht tps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/57915901793681408

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/13/11 9:19 PM
    LMAO @repweiner talking to high-school girls now. Freak. RT @(Ethel): talking to Rep Weiner from New York right now! is my life real?
    ht tps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/58338611724173312

    Joe (539494)

  2973. Gennette:

    … does lying to Nikki, the fake 17 year old girl, make me an “admitted liar”?

    Yes.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2974. She is obviously too young and inexperienced to understand those nuances.
    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/4/2011 @ 11:24 am

    Possibly, which is why I tried to explain it to her. Her conclusion at “Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 10:35 am” was certainly erroneous thinking on her part. I understood what you meant. She clearly didn’t.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2975. Patterico has information that I would like to see that may help answer some questions about who is behind the Reids… he wants to see my proof that AW knew Nikki was a fraud, although I’m not sure why because that would derail his story that AW said weird things to Nikki not knowing that she really wasn’t underaged.
    Everyone seems so insistent that the people with information should give it up… so if Patt gives me everything that John Reid gave him, I’ll give him the screenshots showing that AW knew Nikki was fake…
    Does that seem fair?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2976. Possibly, which is why I tried to explain it to her. Her conclusion at “Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 10:35 am” was certainly erroneous thinking on her part. I understood what you meant. She clearly didn’t.

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 8/4/2011 @ 11:36 am

    My point, which apparently no one got, is that everyone has lied… no one commenting here can say they haven’t. So technically EVERYONE is an admitted liar.
    The important thing is the context in which our lies were told… I told a troll, who was pretending to be a young girl, lies. I don’t see that as a bad thing or as something that would affect my credibility.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2977. Comment by Stashiu3 — 8/4/2011 @ 11:36 am – Thanks. She is free to take offense at whatever she wants, but facts are facts. Since she claims she has no interest in what people here think and has only one purpose, I have no idea why she is getting snippy.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2978. “My point, which apparently no one got, is that everyone has lied… no one commenting here can say they haven’t.”

    Gennette – Just speak for yourself, honey.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2979. You really don’t understand this … or us … at all, Gennette. Patterico doesn’t care if his story is “derailed.” He wants the truth. You’re the one who doesn’t want her story derailed.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  2980. Something interesting to note… quite often, people on here will say things like “she’s too young to understand…” “she’s too inexperienced to realize…”
    They’ll point out a “flaw” of mine and attribute it to my youth, and I never say anything about it.
    But if say that someone might not get something or it might be unfamiliar to them, or maybe I have some knowledge that they dont, because I’m young and they’re older… its this big deal and people get defensive about it.

    Just something interesting I’ve observed.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2981. @DaleyRocks
    So what you’re saying is that, in your life, you’ve never lied before?

    @DRJ
    I don’t think you’re necessarily qualified to say that he doesn’t care if his story gets derailed. And what story do I have that I’d care about derailing? I want to know who the Reid’s are, I don’t care who it is.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2982. Does that seem fair?
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 11:36 am

    How should I know? That’s between you and Patterico.

    My point, which apparently no one got, is that everyone has lied… no one commenting here can say they haven’t. So technically EVERYONE is an admitted liar.
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 11:40 am

    Yes, we got that. Did you not understand my point about credibility?

    First statement: I have lied in the past, I admit it. I won’t even say that it was always justified as a mitigating factor. I am an admitted liar.
    Second statement: I have never lied here at Patterico’s. I believe almost everyone here finds me trustworthy, even though I don’t comment under my real name. I have built up this credibility over time through my interactions on this site and others.

    These two statements are both true and do not contradict one another.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2983. @Stashiu3

    Both of those statements are actually true for me too, I’m confused at what the issue is here?
    The only point I was trying to make with DaleyRocks is that if you’re going to call my credibility into question and say that I’m a liar, you should have more to back that up than me lying to a sock.
    Thats all.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2984. Just something interesting I’ve observed.
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 11:45 am

    Yes, it was interesting when I was young too. Now, I’m older and understand better. You need to understand that we’ve lived through all the times you have… plus a bunch more. Assuming we’re not “with it” is a naive mistake and a function of youthful arrogance. Much more common than the mistake of assuming you know everything about the younger generation. Just because I may not “get” everything your generation says and does, doesn’t mean I don’t get most of it.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2985. This counterproductive, me-against-the-Patterico-commentors, routine is exhausting. This was started because Patterico commented here, attempting to question my credibility, because I told him that I had evidence to corroborate a story that he doesn’t like.
    I became defensive, naturally, and allowed myself to lose focus.
    I am interested in who is behind the Reids and really nothing else.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2986. ==I lied to Nikki the ENTIRE time we talked. She was a troll and I knew that, why would I be honest with her?==

    ==I lied to Nikki 1) because I didn’t want to give her factual, personal information about myself and 2) because I needed to say certain things to get information out of her…==

    What interests me about this is not whether lying to a fake entity is actually considered “lying”. No. What interests me is why a busy college student with a boyfriend and an ostensibly normal life chooses to exchange not a couple, but hundreds if not thousands of emails and tweets with someone they claim they knew was a sock. Why does someone even do that? Just curiosity about the sock? Why not ignore them? Why not move on? Why was it so pressing to “get information out of her”? What was really accomplished? Anything?

    elissa (57f8bd)

  2987. so if Patt gives me everything that John Reid gave him, I’ll give him the screenshots showing that AW knew Nikki was fake…
    Does that seem fair?

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 11:36 am

    Gennette, maybe I’m not understanding, but do you have screenshots of DMs that you sent to AW and/or Nikki?

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2988. @ Gennette 3002

    No, I don’t think it makes you a liar. I mean you were just “getting information” right? Just your everyday garden variety internet Columbo. Why?

    What was your motivation? Why not block a “known” fake? How many months did you “lie” to Nikki in your cybersleuthing pursuits? Seems like quite the game to me.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  2989. @Elissa
    Well, I wasn’t really that busy of a college student. And your question is a good one, and my friends and boyfriend would ask me the same question all the time while it happening.
    A lot of it had to do with my gut instinct that there was something big going on behind this Nikki character, and from what I can tell, I think I was right.
    Also, there were about a 1000 DMs, I would say. But only about 30% of those came from me. It was pretty unbalanced.
    And it really wasn’t “pressing to get to get information out of her.” She would go on and on, and I would say things to encourage it.
    I think it might be hard to understand for someone who wasn’t personally sought out. My curiosity wouldn’t let me let it go. Even after the scandal broke I continued these communications. There was something strange going on and I wanted to know what it was.
    The only reason I stopped talking to her is because Tommy blew the whistle on me.
    This might seem weird, but I’m kind of weird, so it makes sense.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2990. The only point I was trying to make with DaleyRocks is that if you’re going to call my credibility into question and say that I’m a liar, you should have more to back that up than me lying to a sock.
    Thats all.
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 11:58 am

    So, you don’t get it? He has a perfect right to question your credibility, you haven’t established any. He also has the right to say you lied (an admitted fact) before, and apply that to your credibility here. I said I tend you believe you, but that doesn’t mean that everyone else is obligated to. It also doesn’t mean that I will automatically believe anything you say in the future. You have no track record to go by. If you really don’t care what people here think, ignore when people get skeptical and stick to the truth. Consistently do that and you’ll be fine.

    You might try to avoid talking down to people all the time as well. It’s annoying to the point where I no longer feel like explaining these things to you. I don’t like wasting my time and you’re just too sure you’re right about everything. I wish you well and hope you get the answers you’re looking for.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  2991. @Koam
    I wasn’t being serious about Pat and I exchanging the DMs that we both want from each other. I was just making a point about how he has DMs that people want to see and everyone politely asks for them. And when I have ones that people want to see it’s not so polite.

    The screenshots of the DMs that I have are ones between AW and I discussing Nikki being fake. I was pretty sure at the time, he seemed 100% certain. These conversations took place before he ever initiated communication with Nikki.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2992. I’d like to defend Gennette’s rationale. She admired AW, as many did. She saw someone who seemed, to her, to be acting against him (and there were people who were very apparently against him out there every day), and she decided to figure out what was going on. She played along; she played dumb; she egged Nikki on; she talked about Max. It was probably exciting and intriguing. And she says she tipped off AW that something was amiss. And she admits it. And maybe she really had Nikki fooled (See JohnReid9 psycho twitter rant June 21-22.) So what?

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2993. Gennette – Maybe when you grow up you will understand why honesty and integrity are such valuable virtues and so hard to get back once you lose them.

    Like Stashiu3, my comments here at Patterico’s stand on their own for people to evaluate as they wish.

    It’s interesting to observe how you claim older people don’t understand how young people communicate and then also complain when they can’t comprehend why it is not a good thing to lie to people you don’t know. Clueless is a good word to describe your condition.

    “@DaleyRocks
    So what you’re saying is that, in your life, you’ve never lied before?”

    So are you claiming you can point out where I claimed that?

    “The only point I was trying to make with DaleyRocks is that if you’re going to call my credibility into question and say that I’m a liar, you should have more to back that up than me lying to a sock.”

    Gennette, you are not very good at this. You are the person who claimed you lied to Nikki, not me. By doing so, you are the person who introduced the issue of your own credibility to this blog, not me.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  2994. @Stashiu3
    You’re right, I should stop talking down to all of these people who are so kind to me, and just want to give me a few life lessons.
    Anyway, I agree should stop trying to explain things to each other.
    I also wish you well, thank you.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2995. The screenshots of the DMs that I have are ones between AW and I discussing Nikki being fake. I was pretty sure at the time, he seemed 100% certain. These conversations took place before he ever initiated communication with Nikki.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 12:17 pm

    Thanks, Gennette. I take it that you have screenshots of DMs you both sent to AW and received from AW, then, letting AW know about your belief that Nikki was fake and probably poised to act against AW, and that you were engaging her to learn more about the scheme.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2996. @Koam
    Well, not necessarily. The convo was more like, I pointed her out to him, saying that she was probably fake. I’m assuming he then looked at her profile, then he came back saying that she was obviously fake.
    I didn’t really tell him about how I had actually been talking to her for a while. We didn’t go into detail about it.

    But yes, the screenshots are of DMs both to and from AW.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2997. Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 12:31 pm

    Thanks.

    I wonder how he was he so good at looking at her profile and determining that she was fake? By her following his pals?

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  2998. @Koam
    Actually I’m looking back at our initial conversation about Nikki and I’m pretty sure he thought that Dan Wolfe was behind it as soon as he saw it.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  2999. I don’t understand why some here believe it’s not lying to lie if you think the person you’re talking to isn’t real. Saying something you know is untrue is a lie. It may be an acceptable or excused lie because of the circumstances, but it’s still a lie. That’s not the same as saying something you think is true that you later learn is not true. Nor is it the same as more difficult issues, such as whether it’s a lie to say nothing when you learn people have a wrong impression based on your statements. The question here is clear-cut: “[D]oes lying to Nikki, the fake 17 year old girl, make Gennette an ‘admitted liar’?” I think the answer is equally clear.

    Further, Gennette didn’t know Nikki was fake — she believed Nikki was fake based on her intuition. Her intuition could be right but if it was wrong, does that mean we’d agree Gennette was lying after all? I can’t accept this analysis. Whether or not something is a lie depends on whether you are telling the truth as you understand it, not whether the person you’re talking to deserves the truth.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3000. The screenshots of the DMs that I have are ones between AW and I discussing Nikki being fake. I was pretty sure at the time, he seemed 100% certain. These conversations took place before he ever initiated communication with Nikki.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 12:17 pm

    I have a question. Why in the world would a sitting married Congressman, who knows he has something ginormous to hide “Initiate contact” with an underage girl he knew to be “100% fake” You warned him he checked and confirmed he agreed with you THEN he makes contact? I’m really not questioning you Gennette just, but…someone help me out with this. This is some Bonzai s#$% Did you ever ask him why he would do that?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3001. @DRJ
    The point was that I didn’t feel that lying to a sock made me a “liar”. And if it does, then we are “liars”, because everyone has lied before… so its irrelevant.
    But I think we’ve moved past that point.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3002. @Blackburnsghost

    No, I never asked. I didn’t think I was in a position to question what he was doing.
    Also, I didn’t realize that he made contact with her until Nikki told me.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3003. Forget it DRJ, It’s Weinertown.

    I literally LOL’d when I read about AW speculating on trolls with Gennette.

    Some people need to strop Occam’s razor for certain aspects of this story.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3004. “I agree with everything you’re saying. It is important to note, however, that Nikki was the first one to actually say his name and that once the subject was introduced she never stopped talking about him.”

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 9:10 am

    Gennette, Thanks for clarifying. I must’ve been mistaken, ’cause I thought you’d said at an earlier time that you had put a lot of time into girltalk with Nikki and it hadn’t gone in the AW direction, and you wondered why it hadn’t (because you knew that’s what she was really interested in), and that you got tired of waiting so asked how come she never talked about him, or something.

    Are you saying Nikki had mentioned his name first, earlier, but then when you later brought it up that’s when she wouldn’t stop talking about him? (Sorry can’t look it up at the moment…I take you at your word…just trying to understand how it flowed.)

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3005. Gennette,

    I understand you’ve rationalized your conduct and thus moved past the question of whether you lied. I also understand you’re not interested in talking to me, which is why I didn’t direct my comment at you.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3006. “…THEN he makes contact?…”

    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 8/4/2011 @ 1:01 pm

    Interesting question.

    Was AW up for some f-ing with the trolls as has been cited in reportedly fake DMs?

    Analysis by people I trust here says that the DMs from AW to Nikki could read like he was “in the know,” presumably thanks to GC’s tip.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3007. @KOAM
    Sorry, this part is confusing. Do you remember those batch of alleged DMs from me to Nikki that Pat tweeted but never published? And one of them was like, “Nikki, why don’t you ever want to talk to me about RepWeiner?” or something like that… I think that might be what you’re thinking of… that was fake.

    What I meant by: I brought him up first, but she mentioned his name first… was she mentioned to me that I should follow her friend “Ethel”, this was about two weeks in, so I already knew that she had followed “Ethel” and that she tried to get info out of her.
    So after she said that, I mentioned that her friend Ethel and I are both followed by the same politician.
    And she was like, “Oh, Rep Weiner, I really like him, yadda yadda” thats obviously not a direct quote but it was something along those lines.
    And thats when the topic was introduced and I’m pretty sure it was the next day when she launched her prom campaign.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3008. @Koam
    Actually I’m looking back at our initial conversation about Nikki and I’m pretty sure he thought that Dan Wolfe was behind it as soon as he saw it.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 12:41 pm

    Thanks, I didn’t realize that.

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3009. “…that was fake…”

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 1:15 pm

    Thanks again. You’re right that’s the quote I was thinking about (paraphrased) & didn’t know where to find it. Thanks for explaining the rest as well. So you brought him up first after a couple of weeks, Nikki mentioned his name first in response, but she was moving in that direction by mentioning “Ethel.”

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3010. For koam 8/4/2011 @ 1:09pm:

    I wasn’t gathering info on Nikki really, I knew that they were fake and anything they told me was most likely a lie.
    They offered up a lot of info though (all lies) and didn’t have to ask for it. Nikki would tell elaborate stories about her family or how her day was, etc.
    I was more interested in seeing what their intentions were with me. I wanted to see how they were going to try to use me. So when a week and a half passed and there was still no mention of AW, I just brought it up myself.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3011. wittier, here’s genette’s intial conversation with starchild about weiner:

    At 1:18 am, Gennette Cordova DMs the following message to Starchild111: “Hey did you say one of your friends was [Ethel]?” Then, in a subsequent DM, she writes, “Sorry. That was totally random but I just saw that this politician just started following her today and he follows me. Small world.”

    Starchild111 replies in some fashion, then Cordova writes, “Yeah! It is. I love him. Just ask. Maybe he will, who knows? Haha. I think I’m gonna hit the sack. I have an early class. Lame:” Then, in a subsequent DM, “Oh, I just looked. He’s doing this hashtag thing and following people I guess? Idk. I never asked him to follow me.”

    Gennette never actually mentions him by name in this conversation. This conversation comes from a JReid document dump that Patterico posted some time in June. Starchild’s side of the conversation was not published.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3012. “I don’t understand why some here believe it’s not lying to lie if you think the person you’re talking to isn’t real.”

    DRJ – I agree it is very disturbing and depressing to see.

    Gennette’s ability to rationalize lying will take her far should she choose a career in the liberal media.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3013. Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2011 @ 1:30 pm

    Thanks

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3014. Comment by Greg — 8/4/2011 @ 1:32 pm

    Thanks

    koam @wittier (ca9b11)

  3015. “…THEN he makes contact?…”

    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 8/4/2011 @ 1:01 pm

    Weiner was reckless, and he didn’t shy away from a fight. Dan Wolfe tweeted him almost constantly about what deplorable piece of crap he was, as did @repneedledick. When the subect of each girl came up, Weiner was listed in many of the tweets & retweets from various people. If Weiner read his @ replies, he knew that they knew about the girls he followed and were speculating or discussing it. The crazy thing is that he had to know that anyone reading his @ replies would have seen it all, too.

    He was reckless.

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3016. 3054
    Quite a dangerous game to be playing when your closet door is popping its hinges ’cause a big ole pile of skeletons could come flying out at any minute.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3017. “I don’t understand why some here believe it’s not lying to lie if you think the person you’re talking to isn’t real.”

    DRJ – I agree it is very disturbing and depressing to see.

    Gennette’s ability to rationalize lying will take her far should she choose a career in the liberal media.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/4/2011 @ 1:33 pm

    Really… It’s disturbing and depressing that I don’t see the harm in me lying TO A TROLL? This disturbs and depresses you? That’s pretty melodramatic.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3018. Thanks Joe. Still doesn’t make sense to me, but I’m not a narcissistic fool so I’m glad it doesn’t.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3019. 3054
    Quite a dangerous game to be playing when your closet door is popping its hinges ’cause a big ole pile of skeletons could come flying out at any minute.

    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 8/4/2011 @ 1:46 pm

    I get the feeling that Weiner gradually developed a comfort zone for exactly this kind of thing over time.

    Think of all the Facebook messages. His full name was listed right next to some of those ‘Ooooh baby’ messages with some of those women.

    How many men in his job, with good judgment, look at that without having a panic attack? weiner just kept going.

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3020. Also, a couple notes re: things being discussed here today:

    1) Starchild111 first tweeted to Gennette on 5/5/11. Gennette has her first conversation about Weiner with Starchild111 on 5/16/11. So, eleven days before the subject is broached.

    2) Re: Weiner engaging with trolls. On 4/10, Weiner tweeted “Thanks for the follow. 30k and only about 10k are Tea Party Trolls.”

    Not surprisingly, this remark generated a lot of response from people who already weren’t too fond of Weiner. It was re-tweeted more than 100 times, and one of the first to retweet was Bornfreecrew member Redrivergrl.

    See here to see Patriot re-tweeting someone else’s response to Weiner’s tweet.

    Patriot and many others copied Weiner on dozens/hundreds of critical tweets, and Weiner appears to have been reading at least some of those tweets, was familiar that he was being targeted by various tweeters like Patriot, and also seemed to like jousting with them, provoking them, etc.

    3) Starchild111 contacts Gennette for the first time on the same day that Patriot (via Goatsred) floats the sex scandal rumor for the first time — 5/5/11. By this day, Patriot has already tweeted to Gennette, knows that Weiner is following her, and has characterized her as a schoolgirl in various tweets.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3021. All this liar/not liar stuff really just comes down to what the real meaning of the word is, is.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3022. Thanks again Joe I get it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3023. Comment by Greg — 8/4/2011 @ 1:54 pm

    Thanks for the timeline Greg! Its hard to keep stuff straight. Another thing to add is that my first convo with AW about Nikki was on May 12th, if that matters at all.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3024. Greg #3068

    I think Weiner tweeted angrily about @jihadihunter, probably in March. He tweeted something like ‘Say hello to our troll, group’ and used @jihadihunte in response to a tweet from that account.

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3025. Another thing to add is that my first convo with AW about Nikki was on May 12th, if that matters at all.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 2:02 pm

    That’s interesting, as Patriot tweeted about the impending sex scandal more than 20 times that day. Do you recall if your conversation was prompted by those tweets? Also, if you have a screenshot documenting your exchange, would you consider uploading it somewhere so that I could have a link for the timeline entry?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3026. Greg #3068

    Here’s the exchange re: trolls:

    Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner):
    3/23/11 3:17 PM
    @Jihadihunter group meet our troll. #feelbetternowjackass?
    https://twitter.com/RepWeiner/status/50637218229915648

    Bill Turner (@Jihadihunter):
    3/23/11 3:16 PM
    @repweiner Are you simply an Anti-Semite, Un-American, Godless waste of skin, or do you have some redeemin… (cont) http://deck.ly/~D1lTB
    https://twitter.com/Jihadihunter/status/50636953107959808

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3027. Weiner is a POS.

    He should be shunned.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  3028. @Greg

    I know I’m being a pain but I’m not giving anyone here my screenshots of conversations that are unrelated to figuring out who the Reids are.
    Those tweets could have sparked that conversation; I was paying attention to Dan Wolfe. But I can’t recall.
    AW said on the 12th, about the starchild111 account (after I pointed it out), “This is a troll who has been bragging elsewhere that he has dirt on me. The profile is fake.”
    Im assuming he was talking about Dan Wolfe, so he must have noticed those tweets as well.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3029. @Greg

    I know I’m being a pain but I’m not giving anyone here my screenshots of conversations that are unrelated to figuring out who the Reids are.
    Those tweets could have sparked that conversation; I was paying attention to Dan Wolfe. But I can’t recall.
    AW said on the 12th, about the starchild111 account (after I pointed it out), “This is a troll who has been bragging elsewhere that he has dirt on me. The profile is fake.”
    Im assuming he was talking about Dan Wolfe, so he must have noticed those tweets as well.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3030. I have to log off for a few hours.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3031. I have to land firmly in Gennette’s corner on the “dupe the duper” strategy.

    Yes it’s ok to make a troll and/or sock think he’s fooled you, or to lead a troll and/or sock to think you believe something you do not, and also to tell them the moon is made of green cheese.

    All those who think deception is out of bounds in handling criminals and bad-faith actors consult your local police detective and get his opinion.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3032. Greg #3068

    You had written: 

    Gennette has her first conversation about Weiner with Starchild111 on 5/16/11.

    This is especially interesting considering the following:

    Dan Wolfe (@patriotusa76):
    4/19/11 6:02 PM
    @THEQUEENISMAD @RepWeiner Yeah the school girls he follow are tweeting about how they “talk” to him Wonder what those conversations are like
    ht tps://twitter.com/patriotusa76/status/60463318015549440

    Assuming “Dan Wolfe” is “Nikki Reid,” he was already talking up Gennette by DM about Weiner.

    He was already in the conversation, not “wondering” about what it might be like. and he would have tried the same thing, as “Nikki,” with Ethel & Ginger Lee. ‘Cause Dan’s a fangirl, too!”

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3033. All those who think deception is out of bounds in handling criminals and bad-faith actors consult your local police detective and get his opinion.
    Comment by SarahW — 8/4/2011 @ 2:24 pm

    I don’t think anyone has disputed this, or that lying can be justified. It’s still a lie. You can’t say “It’s not lying because I knew they were fake” or somesuch, just to make yourself feel better. I don’t hold lies that are justified (as Gennette contends) against the credibility of anyone. I would completely dismiss anyone who tried to argue that because I’ve told a lie in the past I could never be trusted. That would be idiotic. Lying to a troll/sockpuppet (or criminal) is fine by me for anyone who wants to engage them. She doesn’t get to redefine the terms though.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3034. Re: 3080 I jumped the gun. That Wolfe tweet was from 4/19, not 5/16.

    Sorry.

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3035. “All those who think deception is out of bounds in handling criminals and bad-faith actors consult your local police detective and get his opinion.”

    SarahW – Is your opinion limited to proven criminals and bad faith actors or those who you “intuit” are acting in bad faith? Is lying to get information the approach that they teach in ethics classes in “J” School these days? Sad.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3036. We need to figure out who the Reids are! However, there is no need to put things to bed (which Gennette contends she can easily do) to get everyone on the same page and advancing that cause.

    Also, don’t pay attention to her motivations or why she herself would spend countless hours trolling trolls (for lack of a better phrase) with a sitting US Congressman.

    Ugh. This is all becoming tedious inanity. The arrests cannot come soon enough for me.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3037. “That’s pretty melodramatic.”

    Gennette – Melodromatic? Very precious coming from someone who tried to deflect attention from her own actions by turning around and calling everybody on this board a liar. Nicely done, princess.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3038. @DaleyRocks

    Oooh, princess? Haha. Okay, whatever you say. I tried to deflect attention by calling everyone a liar? What you said to me was that because I lied to the troll, that made me an “admitted liar”, regardless of the circumstances. So I said that according to your logic, everyone here is technically a liar.
    That’s not deflecting attention from myself, that’s pointing out a flaw in your logic.

    I have no qualms with lying to a troll who is attempting to deceive me. I don’t see the problem with it at all.

    @Stashiu3
    I don’t believe I tried to redefine any terms. Did I say that it wasn’t lying because it was to a troll? I don’t think I did. I never said that it wasn’t lying. I said that lies to a troll should have no impact on my credibility. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

    Also, while we’re busying ourselves with this topic, we’re actually not adding anything to any of the investigations.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3039. Stash, as is so often the case you have framed the situation very well @2:39. I hate to see us focused on definitions when it seems that continuing to probe to understand Gennette’s motivation and her expectations with respect to her interactions with Nikki (communications in both directions and also with AW) is potentially so much more productive and worthwhile.

    elissa (57f8bd)

  3040. I never said that it wasn’t lying.
    Comment by Gennette — 8/4/2011 @ 3:44 pm

    Who else on here thinks that lying to Nikki, a troll, makes me an admitted liar?? I think that’s really ridiculous.

    Please don’t put words in my mouth.

    Okay.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3041. Yes, we need to get back to the investigation of finding out who those gosh darn Reids are because Gennette had a month long conversation with them or something.

    And how do you suggest we do this Gennette? What’s your plan to bust this case wide open? What if they aren’t the person/persons who sent the threats? Do they owe you their side of the story?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3042. @Stashiu3

    I NEVER said that it wasn’t lying. I said I don’t see how lying to a troll makes a me “liar”. There’s a difference. Is a liar a person who has lied, regardless of the circumstances? Because if that’s what your definition is, then yeah, I guess I am a liar… we all are.

    This is what you said:
    You can’t say “It’s not lying because I knew they were fake” or somesuch, just to make yourself feel better.

    I never said it wasn’t lying, I just still don’t get how lying to a troll affects my credibility.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3043. There are 6 new posts within the last 2 hours in the Topsy @patriotusa76 search (3 by patriotusa76 himself or whoever is running the account it now)

    They seem to be unofficial retweets.

    What’s going on?

    Well, patriotusa76 maybe never had any good contact numbers or anything for his sponsers. Patriotusa76 is putting any important data on this account. The previous 2 tweets, a little over a week ago, featured an important message froim goatsred to to dwp6776 dated July 24, and a link to a screencap of comments 2438 and 2439 on this thread, which also maybe inadvertantly contained a link to this entire thread. Comments 2438 ans 2439 were also by goatsred and were extremely critical of Dan wolfe and razor419.

    There are no other comments – just links or retweets.

    Patriotusa76 seems to be trying to let someone know the most critical (or perhaps most shared with others and not disputed) attacks on him.

    It could be this may be the only way to reach the RED BARON and company with a complicated message.

    Text messaging probably doesn’t seem to do the job or maybe the number has been disconnected, and contact may be sporadic and only one way.

    So maybe he said: Just look at whatever is new on the patriotusa76 account and you’ll know what to worry about.

    Here is the latest: It’s basically 3 unofficial retweets.

    http://topsy.com/twitter/patriotusa76

    patriotusa76: @tamale102280 @goatsred @Merreee1 @mikemadden59 @gk68 @Jihadihunter Think about how far u stuck your neck out for him too!
    2 hours ago retweet

    redrivergrl: @tamale102280 @goatsred @Merreee1 @mikemadden59 @gk68 @Jihadihunter Think about how far u stuck your neck out for him too!
    2 hours ago retweet

    patriotusa76: @goatsred @tamale102280 @Merreee1 @mikemadden59 @gk68 @Jihadihunter We were tools, I never saw it coming… 2 hours ago retweet

    redrivergrl: @goatsred @tamale102280 @Merreee1 @mikemadden59 @gk68 @Jihadihunter We were tools, I never saw it coming… 2 hours ago retweet

    patriotusa76: @redrivergrl DW can F’off. Yes @patriotusa76, talking about you. STOP STALKING.
    2 hours ago retweet

    tamale102280: @redrivergrl DW can F’off. Yes @patriotusa76, talking about you. STOP STALKING.
    2 hours ago retweet

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3044. I never said it wasn’t lying, I just still don’t get how lying to a troll affects my credibility.

    Comment by Gennette —

    Then you and Stashiu agree, Gennette.

    Let’s all peaceably move past whether Gennette is a perfect saint or a horrible liar. She’s a normal, understandable person. If slack to her and from her would help, we’re all adults and should make it so.

    Noodles is certainly on the same page I am. While I do want to know who the Reids are, I do not know how to learn that. And I am mostly concerned with thwarting and finding whoever was so hellbent on shutting down Patterico’s inquiry of Gennette, so I want him to succeed in getting the information he wants. Maybe nothing comes of it, but it’s a damn sore spot until then anyway. It’s a simply a good way to move at this point. And perhaps it will help with identifying Reid too (though I admit this doesn’t make any sense).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3045. Sarah W:

    All those who think deception is out of bounds in handling criminals and bad-faith actors consult your local police detective and get his opinion.

    This isn’t about whether it’s wrong to lie. In fact, I acknowledged there might be cases in which it would be acceptable or excused, and an example of that would be the law that lets police lie to or mislead suspects. The point is that it’s still lying. Even the police call it lying or bluffing. They may claim their conduct is authorized but they don’t claim it isn’t lying.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3046. Shut up and move on, right? Will do. But I’m really surprised to see the discussion became about telling people what they could and couldn’t discuss.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3047. Shut up and move on, right? Will do.

    Comment by DRJ

    I hope that you’re not interpreting my points as critical of what you’re saying. It seems you won the argument, though.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3048. UnFriggin believable. over 3000 posts on a topic that the vast majority of you have no idea what really happened. How do I know this? I was involved and I could not tell you. Pat I don’t want to put a damper on the fun but my God people get a life. Short of a court order your theories will never be verified. There is a whole world out there eating up our income and lives and you wrap yourself i the background story about one stupid politician and how he was exposed. Why did I come back. There is nothing here worth reading. Hey the stock market dropped 513 points today. Move along

    mikemadden59 (3cb7fd)

  3049. Cross posted, DRJ.

    I’m really surprised to see the discussion became about telling people what they could and couldn’t discuss.

    Yeah, it’s a drag. No sarcasm here. Gennette is in possession of something that might be helpful, and I am more interested in that.

    It’s very difficult for me to navigate this issue. It’s not my place to tell people what to do. Yet I’m compelling to ask people to move on even though I suspect you think this is naive and will yield nothing. I know I can’t somehow say something slick and nice and compelling enough to get anything out of Gennette that she appears to very strongly not want to give up.

    So I wind up ticking people off in a vain effort. I won’t apologize for it, but I realize it’s vain and even rude. I wish it wasn’t.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3050. ‘compelling’ should have been ‘compelled’

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3051. 2947 and 2949 Comment by Joe — 8/4/2011 @ 12:36 am and Comment by Joe — 8/4/2011 @ 12:49 am

    Hi Sammy,

    I saved Patriotusa76′s whole tweet stream shortly after this broke, just before he deleted it.

    The iphone app lets you save tweets and then makes that saved file searchable, so I searched each woman’s name and cut & pasted the results above.

    I’m sure there are probably archives of Wolfe’s Patriotusa76 tweets online to compare these against, but I definitely agree that one cannot take things like tweets or DMs or anything in this matter on faith, considering the fake DMs and fake IDs and fake….

    It seems to be cut off here:

    2949 goes:

    Sammy,

    I apologize. I initially thought you meant the tweets from Wolfe to the women posted in #2939.

    No I was referring to January 6 tweets in message number 2811. They havbe links but they link to nothing now.


    On the January 6th tweets from Wolfe, I only posted a handful, in order, to make the point that, right away he latched on to Mike Stack.

    It’s possible that the app doesn’t show retweets made with the retweet button on twitter, but that would be odd.

    No, what I meant was the only January 6 tweets I have (or that probably Greg Beato has) are retweets. in your accountg he isn’t so fast to go to goastred, but he starts right away off at weiner (or his wife)

    I don’t know how to explain how mine differ from yours.

    You might take a look at what I have and compare them against what you have by time stamp (mine are east coast). That should help at least a little for now.

    This is what I have:

    In comment number 21 in the Meet the Puppets thread, anotehr Joe posts:

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/28/meet-the-puppets-a-weinergate-chart/

    Hi Sammy Finkelman,

    Post #19: Dan Wolfe’s initial post was a retweet on 1/6 based on Topsy.

    patriotusa76: RT @foxnews: #BreakingNews: NPR Executive Who Fired #JuanWilliams Resigns
    01/06/2011 retweet

    source: http://topsy.com/twitter/patriotusa76?nohidden=1&offset=990&om=aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa&page=100

    Joe

    Comment by Joe Smith — 6/29/2011 @ 12:12 am

    Now you click on that and you’ll see thsi is right. There is onlyu one tweet there now.

    This is simply a topsy link that goes right to the bottom (or start)

    Now as I said, maybe the original tweets were deleted and are no longer shown. I am not sure what Topsy does.

    The Library of Congress probably saves everything it gets, and since April 14, 2010, it gets everything new posted, but it may require a Freedom of Information Act request to get whatever patriotusa76’s actual original tweets were, since it doesn’t look like they’ve made any of their archive available to the public.

    But it’s there.

    The truth is out there.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3052. Only one January 6 tweet.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3053. Gennette doesn’t acknowledge my posts but I still want to pose this question to her. If you found out who the Reids/Nikki were (minus them being the person that threatened Ace, Patterico, etc.) what would change?

    Or is it all just to satisfy your own curiosity (something you deny people here who would like to see more of the big picture)?

    @ mikemadden59 Reading Gennette’s posts today has more than ever made me want to move on from this story. I truly hope there are arrests soon because THAT is the story now. Also, buy silver people (don’t say I never did anything for any of you). =)

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3054. “Oooh, princess? Haha. Okay, whatever you say. I tried to deflect attention by calling everyone a liar? What you said to me was that because I lied to the troll, that made me an “admitted liar”, regardless of the circumstances. So I said that according to your logic, everyone here is technically a liar.
    That’s not deflecting attention from myself, that’s pointing out a flaw in your logic.”

    Gennette – Please explain how you believe what you claim to be “my logic” leads to the conclusion that everyone here is a liar. I expressly disclaim the conclusion you reach based on what you claim is “my logic,” but which is in fact some twisted theory espoused by you.

    “I never said it wasn’t lying, I just still don’t get how lying to a troll affects my credibility.”

    Funny how people don’t understand you Gennette.

    Meanwhile, how does hoarding all your communications with Nikki and/or AW help advance your mission of finding out the identity of the Reids or DW? Can’t you provide some help there?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3055. “my God people get a life”

    mikemadden59 – Thanks for stopping in to provide that advice. Very useful. Do you urge old people to hurry up and die as well?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3056. Pizzaman is still out there
    http://twitter.com/#!/pizzaman__

    Forget about John Reid. Who the hell is PizzaMan?

    Auntie Fraud (2f38aa)

  3057. The point is that it’s still lying. Even the police call it lying or bluffing. They may claim their conduct is authorized but they don’t claim it isn’t lying.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/4/2011 @ 4:30 pm

    Like I’ve said, maybe 10 times now, I know it’s lying and I never said it wasn’t. In fact I was the one that said I HAD lied to Nikki. I was perturbed at DaleyRock’s claims that me lying to a troll somehow affected my credibility.

    I really don’t think we’re arguing anymore. I completely agree with you.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3058. @DaleyRocks
    I think quite a few people understand me and have agreed with me. You and I obviously aren’t going to agree because you feel that me lying to a troll affects my credibility, and I’ll never understand how that makes sense.
    So let’s just agree to disagree because this topic is inconsequential.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3059. Crazy digression by irrational jester:

    Can I interject to ask why someone keeps indirectly referring to conversations that are allegedly saved on screenshots?

    It’s completely implausible that everyone would waste time bickering with GC after Dustin suggested that might happened but no one questions why we can’t get some direct quotes from alleged screenshots…

    The philosophy about whether tis a lie to lie to a puppet was a fascinating distraction though…it was almost clever but needed some iambic pentameter or at least a KFC haiku.

    Are all actors liars?

    Is it a lie to say “in a minute” but take two?

    Is it a lie to put something that’s not on your driver’s license in the box where it says name.

    Is it a lie to put in someone else’s name on Sockpuppet Friday?

    Can we please get to the mailing and posting of the rest of the “evidence” part before Autumn?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3060. I must be getting burnt out. Ron is starting to make sense to me! lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3061. “You and I obviously aren’t going to agree because you feel that me lying to a troll affects my credibility, and I’ll never understand how that makes sense.”

    Gennette – Exactly. I choose to live my life by not lying to people, trolls or otherwise. You will never understand why that is important or makes sense. Many people here seem to agree with me and feel that has a direct impact on my integrity and credibility.

    I have to insist that you stop claiming that “my logic” makes everybody on this board a liar. That is just some absurd sh*t you made up to defend yourself. I have never claimed any such thing nor does any argument I have made support such a conclusion.

    We will just have to disagree.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3062. remember, Ron…

    you know you’re over
    hill when your mind makes
    promise you can’t fill

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  3063. crazy digression
    Ron’s in line of succession
    for King of Quimbies

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  3064. Gennette, please excuse me if you have stated this before and I may well have missed it. What exactly is your interest in knowing who the Reids are? When someone says, “Eureka! JR9/DW/Nikki/(fill in the blank) are really X, Y and/or Z”, what do you intend to do with that information?

    Sue (86c170)

  3065. Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 8/4/2011 @ 4:10 pm

    Rearding the new “unofficial” tweets regarding “DW” and patriotusa76. They started because some were asking what was going on with this nonsense still.
    Most of my people from the #bornfreecrew are really not in the know about the post-#Weinergate stuff.
    Some are replying in disappointment to what a scumbag DW turned out to be.

    goatsred (66819b)

  3066. Pat, I told you that AW knew that Nikki was a fake. You told me that that information wasn’t corroborated. I told you that it was and that I gave the screencaps to NYT. And then you got really agitated… why?

    That is inaccurate. Let’s place to one side the fact that I would use the word “suspicious” and not “agitated.” You left out a big step.

    You claimed AW knew that Nikki was a fake. I said: “absent corroboration this claim looks (from the outside) rather convenient.” You said it was, I asked how, and you told me, that you gave the screencaps to the NYT.

    This is the point where you claim I acted “agitated.” Instead, I politely asked if I could see them:

    I believe that’s the first I have heard of that. May I see those?

    You initially gave me a non-answer, and I wasn’t sure whether you were claiming you had given them away without retaining a copy. So I re-asked the question. You said:

    I do still have the screenshots, of course. If I thought giving them to you would be beneficial to this investigation, I would.

    I asked: “And why don’t you?”

    You replied:

    I think, “why would I” is a better question. First of all, it has nothing to do with figuring out who the Reids are. Secondly, I’ve already given them to someone.

    I concluded that it was “interesting” that you wouldn’t give me the information, and made points similar to those I have made in this thread: the NYT papered over inconsistencies in Ethel’s story, and that is the only organization you will share the screenshots with. For your part, you continued to malign me as “hellbent” on proving something about the “underage girl angle” even though you claim there was no evidence whatsoever to support it.

    See, if you can’t even relate a conversation you and I had accurately, why would I trust you to accurately relate your conversations with Weiner?

    And if you had flirted with him and shared that with Nikki, you would be likely to try to cover that up if it came to light. How far might you go? I don’t know. Would you selectively release certain information? Would you portray serious confidences as lies knowingly told to known trolls? Would you deny genuine DMs that revealed those confidences? Would you participate in a scheme to threaten someone who possessed the evidence you wished not to come to light?

    I don’t know.

    I do know this: the point where I broke contact with Dan Wolfe was the point where he refused to help me cooperate with law enforcement, despite his previous claims that he would welcome an FBI investigation. His repeated excuse sounded quite a bit like yours: why, he had nothing to offer! So what’s the point?

    The fact is that it matters quite a bit to the truth whether Weiner truly knew he was dealing with a troll or not. It matters whether you told him that or not. In part, it matters because it goes to your credibility. You’re the one who makes certain allegations about your communications with Reid. If we don’t believe you in one area, we are less likely to believe you in others.

    I am not interested in the discussions here about whether it is permissible to lie to someone you don’t consider “real.” I am interested in whether someone is willing to cooperate and help me find out who threatened me. Anyone who isn’t, as far as I am concerned, is someone I don’t trust and may be a suspect.

    Another way you sound like Dan Wolfe and John Reid: they both loved to say they didn’t care what people thought about them. But they cared DEEPLY and so do you. Wolfe failed the credibility test when he refused to help me with law enforcement and you are headed down that path.

    Let me ask you a question similar to that I asked Wolfe: forget me. If I ask you to give the screenshots to law enforcement, will you?

    If your answer is “no” then something really wrong is going on here.

    By the way, you called Alicia Pain’s threats “benign” above. You should not offer opinions like that when you don’t know the facts — assuming, that is, that you don’t.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3067. Ron

    Swerve, distract, cause confusion.
    Typical tactic of a lefty bully.

    You know what you did, the troubles that you caused. Whatcha gonna do when the white coats come for you??

    goatsred (66819b)

  3068. To be clear: I have numerous DMs from John Reid where you talk to Nikki about flirting with Weiner, Gennette.

    You would certainly want to discredit those in any way possible.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3069. It’s amazing to me how people who are apparently attempting to deflect suspicion from themselves can manage to arouse suspicion. Dan Wolfe did it days ago. Now Gennette.

    I should note, I suppose, that while Gennette did talk with me on the phone at length (which I appreciate), I have no way of correlating that voice with the real Gennette. And (like JohnReid9) she did talk about setting up a video chat and then back out.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3070. Re: #2625 from Noodles

    Thirdly, use hidemyass if you absolutely want to click one of his garbage links or anyone else who posts a link you don’t trust in all this.

    Comment by noodles — 8/1/2011 @ 7:37 pm

    Noodles,

    This is probably good advice for everyone. The HideMyAss.com site says it provides a paid VPN service for security, especially in public wifi hotspots, which a lot of us use. Are they worth using, or are there better services you would recommend for mobile devices?

    Thanks.

    Joe (0b6cb9)

  3071. I also wonder why Gennette, Dan Wolfe, and JohnReid9 remained so invested in this, not just pre-Weinertweet, but post-Weinertweet.

    I mean, I know why *I’m* still so interested. Why are *they*?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3072. Of course lying affects credibility and it bothers me that some seem to think it doesn’t matter. It’s Bill Clinton all over again: “I can lie if I have a good reason to do so, and I’m the judge of whether that reason is good enough.” That may be the way some people feel but it doesn’t mean we we all do.

    And I also wonder why they are still interested.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3073. I think Ron is definitely up for banning here. He adds nothing and wastes bandwidth.
    He has taken liberties with some of us and trampled upon some of our names and reputations. And he continues to make odd,inane, sometime illegal accusations about a few of us here.
    If you hate so many of us and want to spew your hateful BS everywhere, please,please do it one one of those POS blogs that all the socks are hacking every day.
    Until then,you know the length of your involvement, if any, so maybe it’s better if you just walk away.

    goatsred (66819b)

  3074. Patterico’s quotes of himself are far milder than Gennette made them seem. I thought she was being pushed too hard before I read those.

    Of course lying affects credibility and it bothers me that some seem to think it doesn’t matter.

    DRJ, yes you’re right. It matters. And in particular it matters because Gennette is treating Patterico as though she doesn’t trust him, which raises the possibility she has a similar justification in her mind that she had when she deceived the Nikki sock. Of course it affects her credibility.

    But she admits it was lying and I guess we all have to decide what to do with that information. For my part, it does nothing. We already understand that Gennette does not wish for everything to be known, even if Patterico’s family was threatened.

    Gennette, the threats aren’t benign. The Alicia crap is not all that’s happened, anyway. Does it have to benefit you and your ends for you to be willing to help? Is it fair for you and Ron’s NYT to be the sole decider of what’s helpful? Please reconsider.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3075. Dustin,

    I understand you want to talk to Gennette. Several people do, although I’m not one of them anymore. She’s admitted she’s only going to talk about what she wants to talk about and I don’t anticipate beneficial discussion from that, but she may surprise me. However, she also admits she’s willing to lie when she thinks the other party is fake — presumably because they are untrustworthy. As recently as this morning, Gennette said she doesn’t trust Pat. By her own rules, does that mean she feels free to lie to him? I wonder.

    Nevertheless, I’m not trying to tell you not to talk to Gennette and I don’t understand why you want to tell me what to talk about. I’m sad to see several people think lying is okay if they decide it’s okay, and to me that’s a worthy issue to discuss. It’s moral relativism and it’s not good.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3076. Is it a lie to say “in a minute” but take two?

    Is it a lie to put something that’s not on your driver’s license in the box where it says name.

    Is it a lie to put in someone else’s name on Sockpuppet Friday?

    Is it a lie to say Ron Brynaert is a criminal and a bigot and pretends to be crazy while hiding his affiliation with other criminals?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3077. Oh, and when Gennette said she hadn’t insinuated that I had fabricated DMs, I went back and reviewed the email. She said this:

    You’re doing exactly what you’re accusing me of. I was really just trying to help you because part of me feels like if you think that AW said some really creepy stuff to Nikki, you may have fabricated DMs from JR9 that you haven’t presented yet.

    I had read that as the present perfect tense — as in, she had accused me of fabricating the DMs. (You “have fabricated” the DMs.)

    Now I see that she probably meant I “possess” (have) fabricated (adjective) DMs.

    So that was a misunderstanding and I’m glad it’s cleared up.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3078. I don’t understand why you want to tell me what to talk about.

    I was worried that Gennette was being pushed farther from disclosing anything. I actually was worried Patterico was agitated before I saw the quotes above, which make me think no level of patience is going to work.

    I’m not good at manipulating people into doing what I want, so I try begging. I’m not even joking.

    I’m sad to see several people think lying is okay if they decide it’s okay, and to me that’s a worthy issue to discuss. It’s moral relativism and it’s not good.

    It is a worthy issue.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3079. I don’t mean to minimize any issue; I hope that’s clear. I am just singleminded nowadays in getting to the bottom of this.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3080. And I get tired of people like Dan Wolfe and Gennette Cordova telling me that they have nothing that will help. Let me be the judge of that — or, if not me, then law enforcement.

    I view this a little like Bush viewed the terrorists. You’re either with me or against me.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3081. Dustin,

    I have nothing against begging if it works, but I think she’s toying with us and it won’t work anyway.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3082. I continue to pray for you and your family, Patterico; also for Ace and any others that I may or may not know about who have been targeted and are at risk in these matters. I also pray for the effectiveness of law enforcement personnel and that they be led quickly to the proofs that they need.

    Sue (86c170)

  3083. Patterico- I haven’t been writing on this thread, but I am certainly so sad you are still going through this.

    MayBee (081489)

  3084. “But she admits it was lying and I guess we all have to decide what to do with that information.”

    Dustin @6:45 Was she lying then or is she lying now? Was the substance of those tweets Patterico has in his possession between Gennette and Nikki about AW real and is Gennette now attempting to claim she was lying to minimize the nature of the relationship or were they really lies? We don’t know, do we?

    Given how Gennette’s claims have morphed over the course of the day as people have dug up her past quotes, your guess is as good as mine, but her record of exactitude is not great. She would gain a lot of credibility just by releasing information.

    She’s already a public actor in this saga, she has not described who or what she thinks she is protecting by holding back information versus allowing people to crowdsource the tweets, especially since one side involves a troll.

    It makes no sense.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3085. “It’s moral relativism and it’s not good.”

    DRJ – Exactly. Something for which the left is famous.

    Where are the boundaries to the lies and relativism. Our current president certainly sees none.

    People like Gennette don’t understand it yet, but it is so much simpler and less complicated to just make it a habit of telling the truth. That way you don’t have to constantly remember all the different lies you’ve told different people to keep the balls up in the air.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3086. She would gain a lot of credibility just by releasing information.

    And my gratitude. A lot of folks’ gratitude.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3087. I find the offer of handing info to law enforcement perfectly reasonable.

    Granted, I’d love to “see” this information,too..I’m human after all however, its far more important to get to the bottom of the threats.

    To refuse such an offer, well it would appear very suspicious.

    And suspicions are what more or less started most of this whole fuster cluck.

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  3088. There’s nothing wrong with lying to a troll who has deliberately sought me out to deceive me. That has nothing to do with morals.
    @DRJ
    I’m not sure how you took my reasoning about lying to Nikki and somehow applied that to my behavior with Pat. I haven’t lied to him, I have not reason to lie to him.
    I think he’s a pretty good guy but a lack of complete trust is mutual between us. Thats to be expected.

    And yes Pat, I declined the video chat because I think that’s a little weird, that’s just my personal feeling.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3089. @DaleyRocks

    Given how Gennette’s claims have morphed over the course of the day as people have dug up her past quotes, your guess is as good as mine, but her record of exactitude is not great. She would gain a lot of credibility just by releasing information.

    People like Gennette don’t understand it yet, but it is so much simpler and less complicated to just make it a habit of telling the truth. That way you don’t have to constantly remember all the different lies you’ve told different people to keep the balls up in the air.

    You’re full of crap. When did my claims morph? When did they ever morph? I’ve never had a habit of lying, I certainly haven’t lied on this blog, ever.
    I’ve talked to plenty of people who have tried to catch me in a lie, many of them are skilled attorneys, and I’ve never once been caught in a lie, because I haven’t lied.
    Patrick spoke to me on the phone for nearly two hours. This wasn’t a planned conversation. It was very late at night and I was completely off my guard, if there was a chance for him to catch me in a lie, he would have then.

    So, give it a rest, really.

    Also, if people recall, I was just at the center of a political scandal so I have some practice with people trying different tactics to get what they want out of me… no one needs to see the screenshots. You can try bullying, begging, guilt tripping, sweet-talking, my private conversations don’t need to be made public. They’re not going to help Patrick figure out who is threatening him and they’re not going to help anyone figure out who the Reids are.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3090. Moral Relativism –
    Philosophical view that what is right or wrong and good or bad is not absolute but variable and relative, depending on the person, circumstances, or social situation. Rather than claiming that an action’s rightness or wrongness can depend on the circumstances, or that people’s beliefs about right and wrong are relative to their social conditioning, it claims (in one common form) that what is truly right depends solely on what the individual or the society thinks is right. Because what people think will vary with time and place, what is right will also vary. If, however, changing and even conflicting moral principles are equally valid, there is apparently no objective way of justifying any principle as valid for all people and all societies.

    Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/moral-relativism#ixzz1U7i9F2X8

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3091. “So, give it a rest, really.”

    Gennette – Your cluelessness continues apace. I was agreeing with DRJ, whose words you clearly do not understand.

    As I mentioned above, you are not good at this and a poor evaluator of your own words. You and I agreed to disagree.

    Grow up and take your own advice or do something to help solve the mystery.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3092. Gennette, if you are certain that your “private conversations” will not “help Patrick figure out who is threatening him” and won’t “help anyone figure out who the Reids are”, then who do you think would have information that would help in those endeavors? As you yourself put it, you were “just at the center of a political scandal”; if you don’t have relevant information, who do you think does? (Other than individuals who have broken the law, who are unlikely to share their information with law enforcement, of course.)

    Sue (86c170)

  3093. “…And yes

    Pat, I declined the video chat because I think that’s a little weird, that’s just my personal feeling….”

    That’s one opinion. I think you are aware of the other interpretation.

    I well remember your comment that you could identify someone pretending to be a younger person, based on writing style. Which is a bit ironic, wouldn’t you say?

    By the way, you write quite well for a person of your age. Why the JC, and not Whitman or UW? Or Columbia for that matter? I know a fair amount about the nuts and bolts of college recruitment, and that experience has long made me thoughtful about your persona.

    Hmmm.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3094. Daley, I think that there is something else at play here.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3095. “Daley, I think that there is something else at play here.”

    Simon – Absolutely.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3096. And yes Pat, I declined the video chat because I think that’s a little weird, that’s just my personal feeling.

    Yeah. JohnReid9 always had a reason to decline as well.

    The parallels are increasingly striking.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3097. The more Gennette writes, the more I am convinced that my hypothesis is correct, Patterico.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3098. Simon, didn’t someone actually interview her in person?

    The whole mis-attributed ‘Weiner meant to send it to Ginger’ idea.

    Or is your theory that there is a real Gennette, and this isn’t her? My theory was a hell of a lot less interesting than that!

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3099. Only my second comment here at the blog.

    This is probably nothing more than just interesting.

    In prior threads, Gennette signed her comments as Gennettec (see a-very-specific-question-for-gennette-cordova thread), but here it is Gennette. Did she ever use Gennette in a prior thread?

    Baldeagle26 (2138dd)

  3100. Dustin, I know that there is a Gennette Cordova who was enrolled at Whatcom Community College in Bellingham, Washington. I’m not sure that that 22 year old student is the person posting here under that name. I have been watching the writing style pretty closely. There are some interesting “tells” in play.

    But it would be easy enough for her to “prove it” to Patterico, even this evening. Except that is weird.

    Unlike being involved with Anthony Weiner. That wasn’t weird at all.

    Mind you, I could be wrong.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3101. Patterico – You made a good point earlier that you were unable to verify the person you talked to on the phone was the real Gennette Cordova. While the person commenting here appears to be the same person you talked to on the phone based upon some of the comments, again, there is no way to verify her identity absent any exchange of information which she has been unwilling to provide.

    Again, another reason to be guarded about issues of credibility.

    We have single source unverified information from somebody with motivation to lie and who has admitted to lying in the course of this sage.

    We have an unverified identity of that source of information.

    We have a principal in the saga professing a desire solve mysteries involved in it, but unwilling to share information to aid in solving it.

    Circle jerk?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3102. Hi Ron!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3103. “But it would be easy enough for her to “prove it” to Patterico, even this evening. Except that is weird.”

    Simon – She was not remembering her lines very well today if you review the thread.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3104. Precisely so, daley. Both Patterico and DRJ know the source of my suspicions. I’m just not sure of the motivation.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3105. “Both Patterico and DRJ know the source of my suspicions.”

    Simon – Don’t know anything about yours, but I’m glad GMTA.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3106. @ Joe 3118

    Idk anything about it besides the free service they provide. Sorry. If you really want to look into being anonymous on the internet etc. there is TOR. Be careful if you go in there! lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3107. On the possible fake Gennette subject I just don’t see how that’s plausible. Wouldn’t the real one check this thread out every once and awhile and call shenanigans? Or do you think she let’s someone else impersonate her?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3108. Not sure if this is helpful to Simon or Daley.

    I have to say this doesn’t sound much like the Gennette here.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3109. 3083 What ‘s with the sneer at ” intuition”?

    Sarahw (af7312)

  3110. Again I think Noodles and I are thinking similarly. Gennette would know if someone was impersonating her here.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3111. “3083 What ‘s with the sneer at ” intuition”?”

    SarahW – No sneer. All Gennette claimed she had as proof of Nikki’s bad intentions was her intuition, no facts.

    Where do you draw the line at lying since you feel it is OK or do you have a line?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3112. @SimonJester
    You’re assuming that, because I’m a good writer or because I’m articulate, I’m an A student.
    Columbia would have been a dream but that was just not in the cards for me.
    I started school at Western Washington University, I ended up transferring to Whatcom for financial reasons… college is expensive nowadays.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3113. Ah, Gennette. Remember what you wrote about being able to tell if someone doesn’t match their age group very well, based on word choice, style, etc?

    Kind of ironic.

    Yes, I know that Gennette Cordova started at WWU and then transferred to Whatcom. I also know how the college admissions business (and transfer business) goes. Ditto financial aid mechanics.

    I would recommend you be, well, a little cautious here. On second thought, please, continue to write.

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3114. In other words, Gennette: your academic advisor sucks down to sedimentary strata.

    Unless there is more that you haven’t told us, of course.

    And I am sorry for doubting you. My opinion doesn’t matter. Why not do the video with Patterico? Incidentally, I have never seen the man, myself. Talked with him on the telephone, yes.

    He is completely trustworthy, as I have ample reason to know (as do others).

    Simon Jester (fd247c)

  3115. Patterico,

    Gennette appears to have a specific agenda and she can’t let the truth or facts get in her way.

    She misled two newspapers concering the nature of her prior communications with Rep Weiner much like she as tried to deflect her lies to Nikki.

    She has repeatedly deflected all questions concerning what communications she had preceeding the package tweet on May 27! She was not just someone that was following Rep. Weiner but her recent posts here indicate that she had what sounds like a lengthy electronic history with Rep. Weiner.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  3116. @SimonJester

    My academic advisors in high school and at both colleges were terrible. It’s pretty unfortunate. Regardless, I could not have gotten into Columbia.
    Maybe someday though. Columbia J school perhaps? My arch nemesis Reuvon Fenton went there.

    One good thing about being involved in Weinergate was that I’ve never had so many people tell me that they thought I was an exceptional writer… for my age.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3117. Santa Claus is more believable than this joke of a thread.

    Lots of sock names, but maybe just me and Ken leaving comments.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3118. Stash, you’re a lying liar.

    There is no delay to any of my comments….no moderation. You just edit my comments later.

    Do you speak Mandarin Chinese like Dustin’s buddy, too?

    Hi, Ben!

    [Your comments will show to you, but nobody else, until they’re released. As you can see for now, all three of your comments are viewable by you. Nobody else will see them or be able to respond until they are released from moderation. I’ve never edited the content of your comments and would never do so beyond leaving admin notes like this. If this comment gets approved, the admin note will remain unless Patterico decides otherwise. Your continued assumptions are foolish since you don’t leave yourself any room for being wrong. Calling me a liar doesn’t make it so. Now, I realize you are able to cut and paste my admin note if you choose. There is no need because I will publish it for you. –Stashiu]

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3119. I’m taking off Friday, FREAKS!!!!!

    Nothing is going to happen here, anyway, because Ken thinks the glacier pace is funny.

    And, hey, Ben, don’t eat six bowls of Lucky Charms, eat something healthy like egg whites for breakfast.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3120. Ronbryn has left comments that are in moderation that call me a “lying liar” because he can see them immediately. I left the following admin note.

    [Your comments will show to you, but nobody else, until they’re released. As you can see for now, all three of your comments are viewable by you. Nobody else will see them or be able to respond until they are released from moderation. I’ve never edited the content of your comments and would never do so beyond leaving admin notes like this. If this comment gets approved, the admin note will remain unless Patterico decides otherwise. Your continued assumptions are foolish since you don’t leave yourself any room for being wrong. Calling me a liar doesn’t make it so. Now, I realize you are able to cut and paste my admin note if you choose. There is no need because I will publish it for you. –Stashiu]

    Given that Ron has been busy calling me a liar and a fraud on Twitter, making several threats/attempts to “out” me, and falsely stating both my military record and medical conditions (I’ve never been diagnosed with PTSD or claimed to have served in VietNam Ron), I’m not inclined to release anything from him tonight. Patterico can do so of course, or I may reconsider after I get some rest. What he’s doing to people is evil. Pure evil.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3121. the Apostle Paul
    would say ronbryn in the world
    but he ain’t of it

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  3122. Dear Colonel Haiku,
    Did your famous grandfather,
    Ever kill baby chicks?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3123. Stash,

    I’ve read tons of comments you’ve left on the internet before you came to Patterico and lied..that completely conflict with your BS here.

    That no one bothered to Google that to begin with…is kind of sad. But I got punked by liars you pretend I’m still aligned with.

    You use this blog to say ridiculous stuff like waterboarding isn’t torture and that 70 percent of detainees released returned to terrorism.

    Also, your source for info on Gitmo…is lol…detainees. Because only a liberal would find it funny to sucker conservatives that way.

    You’re fake, you’re phony, and I bet you can’t ban me.

    Stash, you’re acting like a thug to the fake Gennette, as well.

    I’d lie to a sock, but I’d still defend a female one.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3124. Stash,

    Only a scumbag would allow those fake Mike comments.

    You socks have him saying rude stuff to me because you think it’s a joke.

    You’ve obviously taken advantage of Patterico’s trust by playing games as moderator. You’re a loser and I hope you can make a mixtape of your favorite Korean pop stars to listen to in jail.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3125. Joe, there is no Nikki.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3126. Stash has four writing styles:

    1) The over polite Patterico mod style….but with impressive command of English… Especially read the interview on the media where his responses sound like even someone else wrote them…

    2) A younger hipper more netsavvy self that emerges every now and then.

    3) A not as sophisticated writing style…at his blog. Very folksy….

    4) Stereotypically racist and ridiculous conservative pretending liberals really are racists and Obama is communist as in these Salon letters:

    http://letters.salon.com/5cd1027814712b6261ddb977328daebb/author/

    Or are those comments not yours, Stash?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3127. “Ever kill baby chicks” = six syllables, genius.

    Or, to JohnReid9/Dan Wolfe, “syllabels.”

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3128. Stash,

    Am I seriously supposed to scroll up and look at past comments to find out I’ve been warned etc…

    That is a dumb system. Why would I look at my old comments? If you have stuff to say to me…add it to the end like a normal person. Or should I reread every comment I ever left here to read your notes…

    ridiculous

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3129. My name showed up on page 1 last night after you claimed my comments were already being moderated.

    All you socks do is react to shit I point out.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3130. Dagnab it, you’re right…fake patterico who didn’t blog about this for five weeks but now is making ridiculous accusations

    for some reason I was counting ever as one syllable…

    Substitute for the Christian singer, haiku menacer:

    Ever strangle chicks?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3131. Oh, and please, fake Gennette, please give all fake documents to fake Patterico so we can finish fake frame-up story….

    It’s preposterous to claim she sent screengrabs of convos with Weiner to NY Times, by the way. Preposterous.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3132. I bet Patriotboy and his Kos buddies came up with a funny way to punk conservatives.

    They probably thought, hey, what if we get these (their thinking, not mine) racist, xenophobic anti-immigrant jerks to contribute money to a fake cause for foreign kids.

    Since I’m a “criminal” but no one can tell me what crime I’ve committed, I think it’s fair for me to point out POTENTIAL crimes I suspect, Stash.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3133. ronbryn now flying
    on eleven different
    herbs and spices…Ha!

    ColonelHaiku (38526a)

  3134. Ronbryn is bugf@cknutz.

    JD (10025c)

  3135. What’s the frequency, Ron?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3136. You’ve never heard of the Levick Group’s public relations campaign, carried out in conjunction with Seton Hall Law School, that always is ‘unexpectedly’ surprised when a Gitmo detainee goes ‘postal’ for Nalchik, to Mosul, to Sana

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3137. Which sock or socks belong to John Seixon?

    How come you’re too cowardly to use your name in this thread, Verum Serum?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3138. Michael Stipe said it better than me, cowardly sock, “I wrote that protagonist as a guy who’s desperately trying to understand what motivates the younger generation, who has gone to great lengths to try and figure them out, and at the end of the song it’s completely fucking bogus. He got nowhere.”

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3139. I do have more respect for Neal Rauhauser than any sock in this thread.

    He has the guts to attach his real name to the threats…and to the “crazy” insults…not the cowardly socks.

    Ken is smart enough to be polite in this thread.

    (anyone notice ian reads a lot of books that neal probably likes)

    PS Every sock that calls me crazy makes me look even crazier…so please keep that up. Calling people crazy is sort of like the sock kryptonite.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3140. Day off start bad for Ron.

    Google fu all phuc’d up.

    Luzr.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3141. Ron – How’s that Cheney secret assassination squad story working out for you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3142. I do have more respect for Neal Rauhauser than any sock in this thread.

    Now that I believe!

    I bet you guys have lunch every Tuesday.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3143. Ah yes, then again I think he cribbed off Sy Hersh, who was all too willing to slur Dev Group, but that was then,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3144. Yeah, we have magic internetz lunch, fake patterico, since I live in NYC and he’s in Chicago, DC and Cali a lot, too, it seems.

    Hey fake patterico, do you remember why you called me the second time…

    to discuss whether there were 5, 10 or 25 fake conservative socks leaving comments at this website.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3145. “Ron – How’s that Cheney secret assassination squad story working out for you?”

    Daley who seems to have no ideology and drops lots of hints seems to be referring to Sy Hersh stories.

    Anyone that knows me, also knows that I’m one of the few on the left who began to question Hersh stories…and, in fact, stopped reporting on them.

    Now, I see, you punksters did the same thing to him…spread phony shit….I doubt you go back to the Dan Rather Kenneth thing…that’s the folks you emulate, Neal and company.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3146. That’s not what I remember, Ron. I remember discussing the comment Alicia Pain left about your criminal record, and how I had taken it down. You seem to acknowledge in an earlier comment a disruption of some sort that occurred about 45 minutes into our call the early morning hours of July 1, which lasted maybe 3-5 minutes, after which we continued talking for another 15 minutes or so. You remember both of those things, right?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3147. Patterico – Next time your in DC, give me a shout.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3148. Man, how much news is fake?

    I think those Cheney assassination hit squads are horse shit now, along with lots of other similar “Bush crimes”.

    I wonder if the CIA assassination list under Obama including Anwar al-Awlaki – who holds dual citizenship in US and Yemen is fake, too.

    I definitely think many of the post-OBL raid chatter was BS just to confuse people. Especially the idiots who argued that it was illegal for troops in the field to shoot OBL in the head.

    I wonder if the media will probe all their fake news or cover it up?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3149. @RonBrynaert
    Ummm?? Am I missing something?

    Gennette (51a39f)

  3150. I think he may have you mixed up, with Ed Harris’s
    imaginary agent from “Beautiful Mind’ Patterico,

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3151. We don’t need to discuss our phone calls, fake Patterico. I trust your memory is as good as mine on them.

    It should be instantly obvious to anyone reading that there is no way in the world you would need me to confirm anything we discussed in the comments section of your blog.

    The Alicia comment was discussed in our first call…and not at all in our second, as you know.

    The difference between the two calls, is that you didn’t discuss what we said in the second to anyone else after, as you did with the first.

    PS: Completely ludicrous to try to frame me as a hacker or phone disruptor when Ken Danieli and Lee Stranahan can do both and there is no proof I can do either…but you socks can keep trying I guess….

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3152. LOL at fake Gennette.

    Sock expresses confusion is the part right before sock starts attacking me as crazy in ridiculous manner.

    Anyone that saw your tweets before you went private saw that you were hacked.

    It was right after you – like Patterico – left the internet because of wide spread hacking.

    There still isn’t one sock on this thread who has acknowledged multiple stories about how Twitter can be hacked that broke out in July.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3153. I’ll stop by later…but can WE PLEASE GET TO THE FUCKING EVIDENCE…

    Stop dragging it out, clowns…

    Post all the evidence and finish your stupid scrip doctored story…which I ruined for you in June.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3154. Or are those comments not yours, Stash?
    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/5/2011 @ 6:35 am

    Not me.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3155. “I remember discussing the comment Alicia Pain left about your criminal record, and how I had taken it down”

    Actually, the real Patterico was awesome and cool and nice and was embarrassed it had even happened.

    He knows it was expunged and would never refer to it as “your criminal record.”

    What’s really twisted about these Lulz, hacktivist socks is that they don’t care that no one is buying this story…they think they can do whatever they want…because they can’t be tied to anything…and Kos has lots of lawyers and political connections. Plus they have EFF.

    But they’re wrong.

    This is why I don’t touch my phone…I don’t want to be set up…like this other critic of cyber bullies:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20083493-504083.html

    The home of Parry Aftab, a well-known Internet safety expert and lawyer, was swarmed Monday by New Jersey police and SWAT team members who responded to what proved to be a fake hostage report from an unknown male caller.

    The caller, who authorities say was purposefully targeting Aftab, told police he was armed and had two hostages at Aftab’s house in Wyckoff, a suburb about 15 miles west of New York City.

    Police and SWAT units surrounded Aftab’s home for about three hours Saturday and eventually shot in tear gas, but only found her cat inside.

    Wyckoff police Chief Benjamin Fox said investigators believe the call was made using a computer. Fox said state and federal agencies including the FBI had offered assistance in tracing the call.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3156. They probably don’t even think they really believe they’re going to frame anyone…

    They just want to create confusion…but the only ones being fooled are socks.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3157. Yeah, Stash, your nickname is very common in the fake conservative sock realm.

    Anyway, you don’t have to say shit to me. If the real Patterico has your real name, he’s busy rechecking your background, now, I’m certain.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3158. Dear real Patterico,

    If that’s really your system, here.

    That you fool people into thinking comments they can see live on the page everyone else can see…..it’s incredibly wack.

    Good comments get buried with stupid haikus before they reappear…and other stupid hacker tricks.

    All new comments should appear at the end of the thread…not magically appear after being approved.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3159. Ron,

    Alicia Pain left her comment about your expunged conviction at 9:49 pm. In our long phone call, I told you about that and you explained what had happened. And I told you I had moderated the comment.

    That was the same phone call where you disappeared for a few minutes and then told me your phone service had been disrupted. Do I have that right?

    Patterico (3c4ded)

  3160. Fuck you, fake Patterico, that’s ridiculous.

    You remember what we said on both phone calls.

    I’m not confirming shit for socks.

    Lee Stranahan or Ken Danieli, you’re a thug and you’re going to jail.

    Oh, ps, you’re a douche, fake patterico.

    The real Patterico is awesome, but you’re a douche.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3161. “Fuck you, fake Patterico, that’s ridiculous.

    You remember what we said on both phone calls.”

    Ronny baby, help us get to the evidence. Help us to help you.

    If you’re part of the problem, you can’t be part of the solution, dickhead.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3162. Ronny baby, here’s a clue. Nobody buys your schtick about regulars here being sockpuppets. NOBODY.

    This shinola you’re spreading about is manufactured garbage with no truth behind it to deflect from your activities and those of others involved.

    All you’re doing is annoying people with bogus stories of hackers and puppets and wasting space.

    If you have anything real to contribute, go for it. Otherwise you’re just making people more suspicious of you. Why do you want to do that Ron?

    What are you hiding and who are you protecting?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3163. Patterico did, clown.

    I’ll be back later…I’m gonna eat lunch and then start googling the ridiculous sock daleyrocks. I bet he’s really fat, too.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3164. Oh, by the way,

    Koam aka [redacted by Patterico] aka Wittier alluded to it, but you really should check out his twitter thread to see the obscene, disgusting, not at all funny tweets he’s been “exchanging” with Tommy Christopher.

    [Redacted by Patterico] has a real name and is definitely going to jail, but he does like to play.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3165. Sounds like Ron is extra mad today.

    One of the new guys he’s trashing is a Vietnam vet with some problems related to his service that Ron is mocking.

    Ben, whom Ron realizes is not me because he simply asserted we’re the same guy for no reason, is also a pretty damn normal guy who doesn’t deserve Ron’s extremely aggressive and pathetic fat-bashing and smear attacks.

    There are a lot of innocent people Ron has decided it’s OK to smear just because he wants to pretend to be crazy.

    I mentioned something about Ron’s timing in a phone call and it was like flipping a switch. Suddenly Ron was going to sue me for criticizing Alicia Pain.

    I see he basically flips out when ‘fake’ Patterico (Ron obviously knows he’s attacking the actual Patrick) mentions a call (probably the same call, and I think I have a good idea what this ‘service interruption’ means).

    Ron, you hurt innocent people over one of Brett and Neal’s little games, right? I notice you often make the vaguest fake-criticism of Neal, but you know he teamed up with Brett because Patterico criticized that. You know Brett is a domestic terrorist. You NEVER bring Brett up in your fake-paranoia. Why not? You have lashed out at every single other major and minor player. But never the most interesting one.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3166. Dustin aka Cyde Weys aka Ben McIlwain,

    More than anything else I’ve enjoyed how you completely lost your cool. Your sputtering makes no sense..and anyone with eyes can see how you operate.

    I don’t bother responding to most of your charges since they are absurd.

    I realized Brad was a bad guy when he smeared Patterico in Direct Message and am willing to cooperate with all authorities on Velvet Revolution (that said, I think much of the bomber kimberlin stuff is probably faked anyway…just like the quayle pot story…to create confusion) so what you write is patently ridiculous.

    Dear Stashiu, Ben McIlwain just admitted you are “a Vietnam vet with some problems related to his service that Ron is mocking” so that means you lied…since your service was in the late sixties to early seventies and doesn’t add up to 23 years until you went to Gitmo as guard…if that part is even true.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3167. Ronny baby, here’s a clue. Nobody buys your schtick about regulars here being sockpuppets. NOBODY.

    He knows that. That is the point. He wants to say things that no one would believe in order to fake how crazy he is and throw doubt onto the truth.

    He is the loser who fakes being crazy and trashed the scene of the crime with silly string.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3168. and which ron brynaert
    slouches toward post number
    thirty three hunnert?

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3169. Also, the majority of my tweets are directed at Markos and Neal and the Netroots…and I took that argument to Daily Kos using my real name…

    unlike the cowardly Ben aka dustin aka cyde who used two different socks at daily kos that mostly attacked me in the end, instead of neal…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3170. Faked being crazy is only in your sick heads.

    i talked goofy to socks, is all…

    You’re a clown, Ben, and your fat ass is going to jail…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3171. Hi to all the nice people. I don’t break bread with anyone else.

    I’m not sure if this post will even be seen. Are ye going for the Guinness Book of Records or what?

    I’d appreciate it if my real name isn’t used. It’s not that it makes a big difference at this point, but I never outed myself. That was originally done by Brad Friedman. I thought journalists weren’t supposed to rat out sources. Oops, I guess I should have put the word journalist in quotes.

    I have not one thing to do with this story you’re discussing. You all know that anyway. Even the folks feigning insanity realise this.

    Sure I’m from the Boston area. Oops again. I come from Titletown USA!

    How ’bout them Red Sox? You ready for Ocho Cinco joining up with Tom Brady? If only the Bruins could win the Stanley Cup. Oops once more.

    I don’t use sock puppets. I did go to graduate school. Sorry if that makes me sound like a pompous jackass. My point is that I was trained in how to follow academic principles. Those don’t allow for defamation or any other forms of lying.

    I never cyberstalked anyone. There was no defamation or libel on my part. It’s not my fault I do not have the protectiob of a newspaper. If Kimberlin gets away with deleting my blog, it shows that freedom of speech is dead on the internet, as dead as Carl Delong and Julia Scyphers.

    There’s also a much higher bar for proving defamation and libel if the spoken words were applied to a public figure. Under the definition of such is where Brett Kimberlin resides.

    I don’t believe I am a public figure. Even if somehow I have become one, it still doesn’t give anyone the right to cybersmear me with outrageous lies.

    I notice Alexandrovna has seemingly bowed out of participation in the internet zeitgeist. I guess that’s a smart move to make. It’s tough to have credibility as a journalist after vouching for Brett Kimberlin as an exonerated ex-political prisoner.

    And by the way, people need to stop saying Kimberlin sold pot. He was a major drug smuggler. Big difference.

    I’m not proofreading this, so if there are any typos or bad writing, I’m sorry. But I refuse to apologise for living in Titletown USA. and I’m not going to say there I said it.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3172. I spend 24-7 on this, while Dustin leaves other comments on other subjects.

    OMG, did you all see the absurd convo with the new liberal sock stash and dust had on another thread?

    ridiculously drawn out convos going back and forth….and – always – the commenters at Patterico are the ones that come off as rude because they’re all punking Patrick.

    You guys are thugs…

    You even menace the fake GC while she’s trying to “help” because your mission is to make all conservatives look bad.

    Real conservatives see who their real friend is in this thread…and you know that…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3173. All blogs need to completely lose their comment sections, because they are a waste of time.

    Start your own blog or tweet account.

    Ever since 2003, liberals have infected all blog comment sections and are nasty and disruptive and do their best to frustrate serious people.

    These same clowns did this at Atrios, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground, Free Republic, Red State, Raw Story….etc….

    Luckily, real patterico, you don’t have to deal with truther nonsense here…at raw story that was every freaking other comment…here it’s all disguised racism and violence.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3174. Dustin,

    I mean far lefty Ben McIlwain,

    You should have had more faith in women.

    If you didn’t use an old, skinny picture when you originally opened your Dust92 Twitter account in May then I wouldn’t have been able to easily identify you after googling “Cyde Weys” and seeing your more recent fatter pictures.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3175. Anyone can go to Topsy.com and put Dust92 in the search engine and see Dustin’s latest tweets even showing up with that picture of young skinny Ben McIlwain.

    http://www.topsy.com/s/dust92/tweet

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3176. One of the new guys he’s trashing is a Vietnam vet with some problems related to his service that Ron is mocking.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/5/2011 @ 8:35 am

    No Ron, that’s not me he’s talking about. It’s the one from Free Republic you think is me. I’ve also never commented at Salon.

    Question for you… if the Gennette who was here is fake, why are you upset that you think people were mean to her? Not that I was mean, but you claimed I was, then called her fake. Didn’t you say it was okay to be mean to fake people?

    Another question… have you been putting on some weight lately? You seem to focus on that trying to hurt people, so I’m guessing it’s a sensitive topic for you and you assume (as is your wont) others are the same.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3177. What Free Republic Stashiu? I never mentioned one.

    I’m pointing out that you’re rude to everyone, sock or not.

    And I get mad when I see an actress being menaced on screen, too. I don’t like to see women being menaced.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3178. Ronny baby, were you just threatening me?

    Why would you do that? Do you enjoy threatening people like your pals Brett, Brad and Neal? Birds of a feather?

    Why do you keep flying off the handle when Patterico brings up that phone call? What are you hiding? What don’t you want out in the open about that phone call? Hmmmm.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3179. This is what’s going on across the web:

    Taken from: http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/activism/what-are-we-capable-of-1.html

    From Transcript to video of the Anonymous voiceover, describing the outline of “The Plan”

    It is clear there is something very wrong in this world. And the people have agreed. We present to you, “The Plan”:

    “The Plan”: One Year. Three Phases. A World of Change.This Plan will commence on the 15th of June, 2011 and continue for approximately one year, in the course of three separate phases.

    ….

    Spread the message through blogs, social networking and video diaries.

    Remember, words often have two meanings, in the enunciation of the truth.

    ….

    Hackers within Anonymous: Begin selecting low-priority targets that have violated freedoms, both in the online realm and in the offline realm, as well.

    Bloggers that have reported on sock puppets have been targeted…and Patterico is public enemy one to sock puppet menacing punks.

    These anonymous jerks – like Markos who has written about this many times – think cyberbullying comes with the territory…

    As of this 15th day of June 2011, we are pleased to bring to you the beginnings of a web platform, for us all to meet and converse; to share ideas and recommendations over the course of the next year and the Three Phases, that will be unfolding:

    whatistheplan.forumotion.com

    If you feel as we feel and have found something inside you, pushing you toward acting upon The Plan, go there and become an active member.

    We are Anonymous, united as one, divided by zero.

    Phase One initiated. The resistance is here:

    http://www.whatistheplan.forumotion.com

    That is what all the socks in this thread belong to…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3180. What Free Republic Stashiu? I never mentioned one.
    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/5/2011 @ 9:40 am

    That’s the only stashiu I found that mentions VietNam service. Wherever you got the idea, it’s wrong. You need to leave that person alone, it’s not me.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3181. Is your name a reference to your weed?

    That’s ridiculous. I’ll let a future bad cop take over in that interrogation.

    I never mentioned where I found that info out…and that still might not be the right place.

    You clowns are goofballs…

    Do you speak Mandarin Chinese or Korean?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3182. And lol what does “One of the new guys” mean?

    Did you recruit him to come to leave comments at Patterico?

    I don’t want to read the other stupid threads…from now on I’m only reading this one…so bring him here.

    He’s a little old to be new…and boy was that fast recruiting….

    you guys are all asshats

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3183. Prepostericity:

    I’m very sorry these thugs treated you as they did.

    It is clear to me that Ron’s behavior is 100% identical to the methods used to smear you and out you. He has repeatedly insisted he will sue me, demanded my info, and since he knows I do not like him attacking others as me, I believe his motivation is to provoke me into proving who I actually am (to show I’m not who Ron is claiming I am).

    Ron is affiliated with Brett, which I suspect you already realize.

    Anyway, I am sorry for what they did to you.

    I have not one thing to do with this story you’re discussing. You all know that anyway. Even the folks feigning insanity realise this.

    Yes, that is obvious. Neal simply started claiming you were involved in identical fashion to how Ron will simply assert someone is involved repeatedly.

    They hate you because you shined a light on Brett’s money making scam. They hate anyone who helped do that. Liberty Chick, Patterico, and even myself.

    I notice Alexandrovna has seemingly bowed out of participation in the internet zeitgeist.

    She probably just picked a new sock.

    And by the way, people need to stop saying Kimberlin sold pot. He was a major drug smuggler. Big difference.

    Good point. Brett Kimberlin is a pathetic and whiny little coward, but he has committed large crimes. He hurt a nice and unarmed, completely unsuspecting man with a bomb. It doesn’t get more cowardly.

    People need to understand that Ron is affiliated with Brett Kimberlin via Raw Story. When Ron plays the Brett playbook or the Neal playbook it is not because Ron is schizophrenic. Ron is so pathetic this is actually his de facto cover story.

    here it’s all disguised racism and violence.

    Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/5/2011 @ 8:56 am

    Once again, the racist thug Ron projects his own sins onto his enemies. Ron hates Patterico with the fire of a thousand suns, but Neal, Brett, and Ron want dummies to think Patterico is responsible and affiliated with Ron’s behavior. They don’t have anything valid to bash Patterico with, so they set out to fabricate it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3184. Joe, any chance you could put up more of Patriot’s early tweets — from where you left off on 01/07 through 01/11?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3185. I’m not sure anyone read my last blog post, since my internal traffic shows only two hits, but since it doesn’t concern any socks here I don’t think it should be a problem to quote from it…

    This is from the silly “Think Anonymously” blog at http://think-anonymously.blogspot.com

    Fact: The world military expenditure in 2010 is estimated to have reached $1.62 trillion dollars (in US dollars), representing a 50% increase since 2001. This corresponds to 2.6 percent of world GDP, or approximately $236 for each person in the entire world. The United States, with its massive spending budget, is the principal determinant of the current world trend, and, now, at 43% of the world total, accounts for just under half the military expenditures of the entire world.

    Googling that – what appears to be outdated – info led me to someone named Anup Shah, and his “World Military Spending article”.

    http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending

    He is either getting plagiarized by @ThePlanIsLIVE or he is the clown behind “The Plan 1 year. 3 phases. A world of change The resistance is here. Expect us.”

    A picture of Shah is here:

    http://www.globalissues.org/about

    Right after I tweeted him a few days ago..the “400 bad request” got added to my twitter account as you can see when you google “ronbryn” (or i hope you can, heh, for all i know i only see it on my end).

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3186. Comment by Ron Brynaert — 8/5/2011 @ 9:52 am

    I don’t really care where you found it because it doesn’t matter. Just leave the guy alone, it’s not me. For the record, you haven’t interrogated me, you’ve made baseless smears and unsupported leaps of conjecture. That’s your baseline. We’re used to it now. Ho hum.

    I speak Korean, why? Is that a secret hacker language? Maybe the next software update for your computer’s operating system has some Korean language hidden in it. You should look for it, just in case.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3187. So since you speak Korean is it safe to assume that you are the same Stashiu that likes to play Starcraft 2 – which is very popular in South Korea so I hear.

    Is that a game you became addicted to while working at Gitmo?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3188. Stashiu, they will probably just continue flogging the poor guy, in hopes you are provoked into giving up your anonymity to prove you’re not him.

    Ron is more than willing to trash innocent people without bothering to offer any evidence for his accusations. It is exactly like how Neal and Brett dealt with Prepostericity.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3189. Never played Starcraft 2. You speak English (I assume)… are you addicted to tea and crumpets? — which is very popular in England I hear.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3190. Ron, are you a 99’er??

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3191. Comment by Dustin — 8/5/2011 @ 10:13 am

    It would be unwise for Ron to put my family at risk.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3192. “These anonymous jerks – like Markos who has written about this many times – think cyberbullying comes with the territory…”

    Ronny baby – Apparently you are in agreement with Markos because all you’re doing around her is engaging in cyberbullying and thuggery.

    Why don’t you spread some peanut butter around your lips and pretend to be an as*hole? Wait, you don’t have to pretend. My mistake.

    Deflect, deflect, deflect.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3193. But for the sake of debate, I do hope you’ll point me to any other interviews you may have given or background on your service as Gitmo guard, since you have nothing to hide…and I think revealing you as a bullshit sock will help the real Patterico figure out who is threatening him.

    As I said countless times, the feds can look through my emails, call records, anything they want, in their hunt for hackers and threateners and pranksters. I don’t leave my house very far, partly, so that I can be interviewed at any time.

    I’m not gonna hide behind lawyers…I want to help…I’d just like to protect my sources if possible…but the bigger picture is widespread hacking..not little old Weinergate (not belittling the very real scary threats of course…just saying there are bigger hackings going on…).

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3194. Ron B, 8:56 AM
    “3217.All blogs need to completely lose their comment sections, because they are a waste of time”
    Without comment sections like this one, you would have no existence, except with your thug pals.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3195. Stashiu has ZERO right to protecting his identity the second he went public with pro-Gitmo propaganda (which was really just satire aimed at making conservatives look stupid…the cornball i’d kill a nazi if i saw him in my deli….and all my stories are the words of detainees…..and there are ZERO documents about detainess being charged with threatening to decapitate nurses..)

    But even if all he said was true….he’s not a “whistle blower” and he has no reason to hide his identity unless he knows about a secret cabal of qaeda terrorists who are hunting ex-Gitmo nurses and their families.

    Anytime any clown on the internet says one insult about anyone…they deserve to lose their anonymity…and that includes “Obama or Boehner is a liar!”

    hell yeah i want to know what Stash’s real name is….because i think he’s a lying prankster and really on the left…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3196. Ron, I will gladly testify that you’re an idiot. You’re not interested in debate.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3197. Ron Brynaert claims he comes here to support ‘real’ Patterico.

    He’s done his best to out Stashiu and criticize Stashiu’s quote. Yet ‘real’ Patterico said this

    I just hope that Stashiu’s quote in the article comes across as the reasonable statement that it truly was in context. If Stashiu were ever to encounter a detainee in the small town where he intends to retire, the inevitable conclusion would be that one of them intended to make good on the violent threats that many of them made to him. Killing the detainee would be the logical (and indeed the only truly rational) response. I hope AP readers understand that.

    Patterico’s right.

    But for the sake of debate, I do hope you’ll point me to any other interviews you may have given or background on your service as Gitmo guard, since you have nothing to hide…and I think revealing you as a bullshit sock will help the real Patterico figure out who is threatening him.

    You’re a disgusting piece of trash, Ron. Patterico already explained he verified Stashiu’s story. You know this, and you know your claim you’re just trying to help Patterico is a lie. You are trying to harm people.

    I’m not gonna hide behind lawyers…I want to help…I’d just like to protect my sources if possible

    Ron, you said you complained to a lawyer who stopped talking to you afterwards. Then you started attacking him because he’s ‘in on it’. You’re lying to say you chose not to hide behind lawyers. You insisted you were going to sue me before I explained how the law specifies damages from you to me if you did so. You’re the cowards hiding behind lawyers, only the lawyers have stopped talking to you.

    You claim you want to protect sources, yet all you ever do is out innocent people without any rationale but harassment. Clearly you want to scare us that you’re going to out Stashiu, which he has a very good reason to want to avoid. Aside from the fact you already know what’s happened to innocent people who Brett and Neal know by name.

    You are part of their plan, and as it becomes more obvious you are flipping out much harder.

    Your ‘journalism’ career has recently ended. All that hard work for the New York Times… gone. How’s that feel, Ron? Loser.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3198. Stash and Pat–Ron needs to go for good. I asked for it last night. Today he’s outing info on others , outing other blogger’s names,and just being the usual jerkoff.
    He still just keeps on pretending that he doesn’t get it. Let him pretend somewhere else.
    Here’s my idea. If you take it, you stay. If you turn it down, bye bye forever.

    Im in New Jersey, as you know,Ron. (Im sure you do) My treat. Lets meet up at the TGIFridays over the steps and slightly across from Penn Station and I will provide ID and post live or Skype from Fridays.
    The people who know me (and those that have seen the mugshot LOL) will vouch for me.

    That way we can put the whole goatsred “sock” mystery to rest. I then invite any or all who’d wanna make their introduction and go into “de-sock” mode for Ron to meet me for drinks.

    All are welcome.

    I await your comment.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3199. Ben McIlwain, blow me.

    And that’s a lie. I wouldn’t want you to come near me. But I can’t wait to see your fat head mug shot…feds are gonna have to go wide angle on your ugly face.

    see ya later…can you get back to the stupid long winded convos with GC about getting the pictures already…..

    stash, you’re a coward…if you were a man you’d tell the world who you are…you’re a lying piece of shit….

    and yeah dustin asshole lying piece of shit who reads my twitter accounts like a hawk…you already know i dissed patterico for what he wrote about stash and his fact checking…but he shouldn’t have had to assume you assholes spoof calls…

    it’s vigilantism and is wrong..and i teased him about Rampart scandal…

    i also disagree with patterico on abortion…i even back late term abortions…i think a woman has total control over her body

    calling me racist has to be the most blatant lie, dustin…why would anyone on the muslim loving left want to hang with me if i hated muslims?

    dustin, blow me

    sorry did it again…but this time two lies to a liar in one

    it’s a lie i want you to come near me….and a lie your name is dustin, ben mcilwain

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3200. I wish I could make it all the way up there for Mike’s offer. I’m not surprised Mike is the first to say ‘hey, I’ll look you in the eye, Ron’.

    Anyway, I think part of the reason Ron is still being left to blather openly here is similar to the reason for letting the Reid sock do it. Sure, he’s a bad guy doing bad stuff, but if there’s a chance his nastiness will reveal something about him…

    Daleyrocks is right that Ron seems particularly scared if this phone call comes up, for example.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3201. #3241 Thanks Dustin. And you are correct. I would love to look Ron in the eye.

    But the irony would be that if he got banned, his life would be over, and he’d have to return here as a “SOCK”…….

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3202. Scared of a phone call?

    Okay…lemme guess…after you disconnected me…Lee Stranahan or Ken Danieli said crazy stuff to Patterico…which is why he didn’t call me back at his house as I was expecting him to.

    i hadn’t guessed that until now, actually…i was wondering why he never said goodbye or called back and he acted with shock when i dm’d him a few days later and said i still was waiting for him to call back….

    When we spoke the SECOND TIME – questions like that became irrelevant since he believed me about who the bad guys are and UM FUCKING DUH I’m the one who outed Neal Rauhauser, the main bad guy.

    I’m not saying anything about anything else regarding either call…since it’s obvious from Patterico’s tweets on July 7th that he knows hackers intercepted my emails to him and sent him nonsense….

    And patterico wouldn’t have any logical reason to ask me about phone calls…he’s working with real authorities not scooby doo’s mystery sock gang

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3203. Your honor,

    My client was tricked into saying that by a bunch of anonymous socks on the internet that no one can subpoena.

    I truly think Patterico is too smart to try to use his comments section as the appropriate forum to “catch” Dan Wolfe, GC or me.

    It’s farking absurd, clowns.

    The real Patterico is just chuckling at the dumb things you have him saying…(but at least Lee Stranahan isn’t writing his dialogue….the new Patterico – probably Ken Danieli – is much more believable if slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3204. and he’d have to return here as a “SOCK”…….

    Comment by goatsred — 8/5/2011 @ 10:56 am

    And no doubt he would.

    Though I do agree with you his outing comments are totally unacceptable. It’s the first time I’ve ever asked Patterico to delete something from here. I’ve been in a lot of heated arguments, and I really never thought I’d ever ask for someone’s comments to be removed. All I want is the right to respond.

    I have no capacity here beyond commenting, and I’m sure I haven’t seen a ton of the stuff Ron has posted about folks. What few I did see were extremely hateful and childish attacks on a person who Ron picked only because he could find that person’s photo and full name. Just some nice guy not mentioned even in the most tangential or tiny way with Weinergate at all, plucked from the internet to be harassed.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3205. Real Mike Stack,

    I’m sure the authorities tracking threats against you know where I live. You can stop by my apartment anytime and I’ll gladly share any and all evidence with you.

    But I’m not meeting you or anyone anywhere unless you ring my doorbell…and the authorities should have no problem finding me or tracking my cellphone.

    I’m not certain if the conman who lives in my building is connected to any of this…but he has been menacing me for a few months…and I don’t leave my apartment because I don’t want to be robbed. I do not trust him, as socks know since i wrote it before.

    Also, there are comments on this page that refer to “watching” me. Is it paranoia to fear “jokes” wrapped in haikus?

    And Jeff and other socks made references to killing my cat.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3206. Dustin, your freaking picture is on topsy.com

    You’re a joke…and if others can’t read my comments…we both know the real Patterico can.

    I’ve never threatened you.

    I SAID I’ll sue you…and I’ll laugh at your fat ass mug shot…

    But if you want to come knock on my door I’ll punch you directly in your fast crusty pie-eating face. But that’s only if you come to where I live.

    If I see you in a deli, I’ll just call the police, and say come arrest this menacing hacker who was the number one resource for sick porn when he went to college…and who hates all cops.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3207. Mike,

    remember when I stated you were an upfront kind of gentleman?

    Yeah…there you go again 😉

    What are the odds TGIFs will be called “hacked”? *snort*

    Oh, and boo, Ron.

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  3208. “All are welcome.”

    Mike – I would love to join you if schedule permits. May need some advance notice.

    I doubt if weasel Ron would take you up on the offer. He seems like a typical big fat progressive coward who is unwilling to stand behind his words.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3209. “As I said countless times, the feds can look through my emails, call records, anything they want, in their hunt for hackers and threateners and pranksters.”

    Ronny baby – Just not believable. You’re too scared to talk about a phone call with Patterico, why should people believe your offer above is serious?

    If you want to prove your sincerity, why not turn over records to Patterico? What is he going to do with them that law enforcement won’t, weasel?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3210. “Stashiu has ZERO right to protecting his identity the second he went public with pro-Gitmo propaganda”

    Ronny baby – Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Have you looked at yourself in the mirror lately?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3211. Ronny baby, has the NY Times paid you for your work on Weinergate yet? How did that work out for you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3212. Hey daleyrocks!

    Shouldn’t you be menacing Dan Riehl or something?

    Googling you it seems like that’s your hobby…

    That is, when you’re not menacing Glenn Greenwald.

    That’s kind of like menacing Superman and Lex Luthor at the same time isn’t it?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3213. Stashiu has ZERO right to protecting his identity the second he went public with pro-Gitmo propaganda

    If it was anti-GTMO, Ron would think Stash should stay anonymous, though. Brett, Neal, and Ron have a consistent pattern. Disagree with them, and they think that justifies any level of thuggery until you are silenced. Agree with them, and you are to be defended, even from the truth (like with Weiner).

    I’d like the New York Times to explain how they teamed up with someone with Ron’s background. His partnered with a domestic terrorist. This entire goon routine was predictable. I’m sure even Ron’s partners don’t trust him at all.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3214. Hi, daleyrocks!

    I’m trying to figure out common enemies of Supes and baldie…and I think I figured out your secret identity!

    You are Mister Mxyzptlk:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Mxyzptlk

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3215. Yeah, that’s what The New York Times does, Ben. Before Jennifer Preston worked with Lee Preston, she had a big meeting with past and present New York Times editors and they all agreed to let her work with him.

    Now, i didn’t have to have that meeting, since the New York Times, Kimberlin, all the surviving and released Manson family members and Al Gore all know me from the secret terrorist meetings held in a different midtown Starbucks every third Tuesday when the date adds up to eleven.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3216. Hey Ron, how come you lash out at everyone but Brett Kimberlin? You pretend you’re on Neal’s case, and he certainly paled around with Brett.

    It’s conspicuous you throw everyone’s name out there, but ignore the most obvious one. Almost like you’re a smokescreen.

    Did I mention you worked for Raw Story, which Brett had a hand in founding?

    Strange, isn’t it?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3217. Stop…

    ….put down that Twinkie, Ben.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3218. Because I barely know who he is, jackass…we exchanged maybe 8 emails…and i think i talked to him on the phone once…unless he was pretending to be other people too….which seems very likely in sockland….

    I’ve always thought he was a lying jackass, because the Dan Quayle pot story was bullshit…i didn’t even really look at the bomb stuff until patterico spotlighted it the other month..frankly…i still haven’t looked into all that that much since i think a lot might be phony…..

    Letter I wrote to my boss in january of 2009:

    oh i just learned that you and i are puppets and that some dude i never heard of called brett kimberlin calls the shots for us

    http://jamesrenner.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/the-true-story-of-karl-roves-it-guy/#comment-30

    …………..

    Larisa lied about that story when I talked to her on the phone after this flare-up and i pushed to fire her again….She smeared Renner – with her wackadoo friends – and i wanna give him my emails so he can sue her and raw story (even if that includes me)

    She wrote maybe 15 articles tops in the nearly 5 years i was exec editor and she didn’t edit or have any other role in that time period…and i pushed brad blog and velvet rev banners and stories off the site, too.

    im not gonna discuss other small interactions with brett on net but will with authorities…i only have a few emails…barely knew him….i think john broke away from him…but for all i know he was a silent partner

    i’m not aligned with anyone at raw story…past or present….there’s only one ex-journo from there i still trust…his twitter is hacked…

    I’m gonna give you socks a real treat…my next comment will be a letter i got from nutcase kyle hence about tiger rumor that i mentioned on twitter…thats when i told john to tell him to quit bugging me

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3219. Kyle claimed this was from a conservative….he gave me the name…and email address but i’m not gonna post it….

    so, essentially, it’s from a forwarded letter and it’s a story told from a friend of a friend…lol

    this is some nutty stuff…i don’t know if larisa still dates him…but he helped push that 9/11 referendum that failed in nyc recently….i used to think he was okay….but after i got this letter in December of 2009 I called my boss and yelled at him about this clown and Larisa and told them to leave me alone:

    Enjoy this craziness, socks!!!! (maybe one of you wrote it!)

    FYI for what it is worth from a friend of a friend is the inside story on Tiger. Knowing the source, I actually believe this. The sensationalism of the media has never been as accurate as you would believe. The following paragraphs come from my friend’s friend:

    “I have a Member who lives 10 houses down from Tiger in Isleworth. As we know, Tiger’s agent is Mark Steinberg. My Member plays golf and is real good friends with another IMG Agent; who is very good friends with Steinberg and they share the same office. This information came from the other IMG Agent to my Member, and then to me today, and according to them is up to date as yesterday when my Member left Orlando.

    On Thanksgiving Day, after he, Elin, and the family had Turkey Dinner, he spent the rest of the afternoon on the couch watching football and texting Rachel. After each received and sent text message he would clear his message box to rid himself of the evidence. Sometime in between there, one of his Orlando buds called him to see if he wanted to get together at the Clubhouse to play poker with the guys, to which Tiger said yes. Tiger left the house around 7:30 to go play poker, and left behind his cell phone…and one message he had forgot to delete from Rachel.

    When Tiger returned home around 11:30 -12 that night, Elin confronted him about the text message in the phone, and the started a heated discussion to its regards. According to what I was told, there was more “incriminating evidence” than just the text message (i.e. photos). Tiger tried to play it off to Elin by telling her she was reading too much in to it, and did not know the story, etc. Tiger went upstairs to chance into his gym shorts and t – shirt, came back down, and Elin confronted him again; to which Tiger gave the same story. Tiger sat down in a chair in the living room, and Elin sat across from him urging Tiger just to come clean. Tiger stayed to his guns and denied everything. At one point Tiger turned away to look at the TV, and as he turned back, Elin hit him on the right side of the face with the head of a nine – iron. When she struck Tiger, she put a huge gash in the right side of his face next to his nose (causing his nose to bruise some), and virtually knocking two of his upper teeth out, and breaking the bone on the upper right side. Tiger ran scared as hell out of the house (which is why he had on no shoes) with Elin swinging the golf club through the hallway and out to the garage (i.e. causing the severe damage which has been reported). Tiger hoped in the Escalade and tried to leave; and as we know, Elin knocked out the windows in the Escalade. When Tiger crashed, Elin panicked and was not sure what to tell the police (which is why there are two conflicting stories from her). When this happened, Elin immediately called Mark Steinberg to tell him what happened, Mark told Elin to tell him what hospital they were going to, and he would meet them there.

    Tiger is transported to the hospital with Elin in the ambulance, and as they arrive Mark is there waiting for them. The people from the hospital and the doctors take Tiger in for X-rays etc to check out the damage caused. The doctors tell Mark there is not much they can do to repair the teeth and the gash, but the doctor knows a cosmetic dentist and plastic surgeon in Phoenix who will make Tiger look as if nothing happened. Tiger tells Mark to get the jet ready and let’s head to Phoenix to get this done. Friday after Tiger is released from the hospital, he does not return home, he and Mark board the plane for Phoenix. If you remember the Florida Highway Patroi kept showing up at Isleworth to talk to Tiger, and was told by another Florida attorney (who Tiger hired for PR reasons) that Tiger was not ready to talk. Well now we know why, he was in Phoenix, and did not arrive back in Orlando until either late last Wednesday night or early Thursday morning. The surgeries were more intense than what they had originally planned, which meant Tiger was in PHX longer than he should have been. Upon arriving back in Orlando, Tiger and Elin have been in intense marriage counseling sessions (up to 6 to 7 hours a day) every day! Both Tiger and Elin have told the counselors they love each other, and want to make the marriage work. The reports you are reading on TMZ and RadarOnline are about 30% accurate at best according to Mark.

    In regards to Tiger’s boat being in Palm Beach this week, along with Rachel; that part is true. However, Tiger is not on the boat, and is not in Palm Beach; and Rachel is not on the boat. Her parents live six blocks from where the boat is, but that is it. Tiger has not returned to his house at Isleworth since the day of the accident except for the therapy sessions. IMG has enlisted the assistance of one of its most recognized sports figures, and Tiger has taken up residence in his neighborhood; Bay Hill. IMG contacted Arnold Palmer because of the high regard in which Tiger holds Arnold. Arnold has agreed, and IMG has said if anyone can get through to Tiger, Arnold, based on his public persona when he was at the height of his game as well, may be the only person who can. The moving trucks being shown on TMZ and RadarOnline are moving out pictures and furniture, which was damaged during their Thanksgiving Day argument; not of her moving out. Yes, Elin has retained a divorce attorney, but has not filed any papers, and as of yesterday had no intention on doing so. Tiger has not made any public appearances or statements due to the surgery and plastic surgery he had in PHX. It will be about another month if not more before he gets in front of a camera. Yes, Tiger is hitting golf balls late at night at Bay Hill out of their teaching center (which is equipped with lights).

    That is as up to date as I have. All of the jokes and pontificating from the media is something else. When will people start to respect other’s privacy

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3220. i didn’t even really look at the bomb stuff until patterico spotlighted it the other month..frankly…i still haven’t looked into all that that much since i think a lot might be phony…..

    Wait wait wait.

    You never looked into it? You expect us to believe you don’t know you were working with a domestic terrorist? He was proven guilty in a court of law. The evidence tying him to the bomb is powerful, including the ID he used.

    What a damn coincidence that you posit the same exact thing Brett always tells people: that somehow the bombing accusation was phony.

    It wasn’t. Carl Delong is dead because Brett Kimberlin blew him up.

    You pretend to be this expert researcher, but you can’t do a ten second search on the guy you’re working for? You go off the rails investigating the guy who wrote a wikipedia editing bot, or has PTSD from Vietnam, with absolutely nothing to do with any relevant story, but you can’t look into Brett Kimberlin?

    Brett, the guy whose legal threats at Patterico were practically identical to yours against me? Brett, the guy who had a lucrative charity he was benefiting financial from, but hiding his own name? Brett, who if you type his name into bradblog (he’s partners with Brad on his charity) his name is deleted instantly, so no one can explain who this con artist is?

    Brett Kimberlin is a proven con artist, and his tactics are so similar to yours.

    You pretend to be paranoid schizophrenic, Rob Brynaert, but you defend the most suspicious guy you’ve probably ever met in your life.

    You liar. You are working with him.

    ————

    Mike, see why he’s not banned? He slipped up.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3221. And I didn’t think Larissa was her real name. And you know that.

    So as you accuse people of being socks, you pretend a notorious sock is your boss.

    Brett went to the Ukraine after prison to work for his contacts he met in prison. When he returned, he founded Raw Story with Ukranians like ‘Larissa’. For some reason, there’s often a creepy secretive female surrounding a lot of his plotlines (to be clear to others, I am not referring to Gennette).

    Yeah, you worked for Brett and pretend you work for someone who doesn’t even exist.

    We see what Brett did to Prepostericity. That’s why you keep bashing this Ben guy. You want me to prove I’m not him so you can give me the treatment Prepostericity got.

    I actually expect it’s only a matter of time before that does actually happen to me. That’s the price I pay for standing up to you and Brett.

    For some reason, Ron Brynaert is the most paranoid person imaginable if he’s talking about Brett’s enemies. Liberty Chick. Patterico. Myself. If he talks about Brett, though, suddenly he’s a careful doubter of any theory. He wants to give Brett the benefit of the doubt.

    It’s disgusting that the NYT worked with someone so obviously connected to a domestic terrorist. It is downright disturbing that Neal demanded a photo of Patterico’s wife while talking about what a victim Brett Kimberlin was.

    That’s what Ron’s a part of.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3222. Douchebag, I wasn’t working with him EVER.

    He wrote me emails using Truth Music crap…

    In no time, did I EVER EVER EVER hear his name as being part of Raw Story..hence why I wrote John that email YEARS after I went to work ….and because your friend [redacted] or Dave From Queens or Dave Weintraub or Socratic LIES ABOUT TONS OF OTHER SHIT that reporting is completely suspect..

    Ben McIlwain, please don’t stop using your phone…I hope the good guys are tapping you.

    but ignore the ice cream man when he drives by…you should just mostly drink water…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3223. wow…

    “Brett went to the Ukraine after prison to work for his contacts he met in prison. When he returned, he founded Raw Story with Ukranians like ‘Larissa’”

    if that’s the truth tell me more….that’s a pretty creepy story…

    personally i think they’re all a bunch of nutjobs fooling us all…but i did note that my ex-boss’ mom represented the children briefly and one of the spies arrested in Mass. I think that was kind of BS stunt, too, though.

    I’m certain Raw Story punk’d me…and I will do all I can to tie them to potential crimes…but fat ass Ben will be in jail for hacking and porn long before that…..

    see you later, fatso, leave your computer and take a walk

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3224. I’m reminded of that old SNL sketch, back when they were funny, about Lyndon Larouche, complaining ‘they are trying to make us look insane,’

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3225. Stop…

    ….put down that Twinkie, Ben.

    I’ll take care of this one, Ben.

    Ron Brynaert… your mama wears Army boots.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3226. Ronny baby – keep googling.

    Menacing = Commenting on a blog? Sure nutso.

    Radical Ron threatens to sue people, out their identities, ruin their lives, etc.

    Criminal Ron – I think people understand who the real menacer and thug here is, but make yourself happy.

    Gennettec (bf33e9)

  3227. 3274 was me. Damn SP Friday.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3228. All the real conservative readers, stop to think about one thing…

    Neal Rauhauser uses BEANDOGS which are liberals pretending to be conservatives.

    Surely there must be AT LEAST ONE OR TWO on this page….but according to Stash and Dustin, it’s all one big happy sock family and I’m the only Neal Rauhauser associate.

    If Dustin or Stash was even one/hundredth of one percent sincere, they would have spent a few minutes at least trying to figure out which are the fake conservative bean dogs working with Neal Rauhauser.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3229. Ronny baby – Knock, knock

    Landshark

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3230. Ron, I don’t think you’re the only Neal Rauhauser associate.

    Happy?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3231. if that’s the truth tell me more….that’s a pretty creepy story…

    You deny it?

    It’s well documented.

    This is why you and Brett’s other pals do their best to keep him out of the sunshine. You work for ‘Larissa’ who doesn’t exist. Brett, you just never really thought about. Gee. You just never had a suspicion about him. All that bombing stuff you just assumed was a big joke or something. Phony. He was a victim.

    And anyone who challenges Brett, such as Patterico or myself… you unleash the fury instantly.

    Then, when I mention a huge and well known facet, such as how Brett would have met these Ukrainians and Eastern Europeans like Jason Leopold or Larissa Alexandrova, your reaction is to pretend this is somehow a fantasy or conspiracy theory rather than the truth that you’re well aware of and has been roundly discussed many times.

    You pretend to be hyperparanoid, assume anyone you don’t like is a terrorist or a hacker, but then you’re hypercareful not to jump to any conclusions, as soon as Brett comes up.

    The mentality flips like a switch. You’re acting. A delusional ranter who just learned their boss met their fake boss in the ukraine after they were paroled for a violent felony would not act they way you’re acting.

    You pretend to be crazy to protect the guilty and screw the innocent.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3232. Neal Rauhauser uses BEANDOGS which are liberals pretending to be conservatives.

    Surely there must be AT LEAST ONE OR TWO on this page….but according to Stash and Dustin, it’s all one big happy sock family and I’m the only Neal Rauhauser associate.

    Actually, beandogs would cover for what Neal was really doing by proposing insane and stupid conspiracy theories, just like you, Ron. Neal was up to A, but Beandogs would attack him for B, which was stupid and created a smokescreen and did its best to get under the nerves of Tea Partiers.

    You have made it your mission to get under my skin, Ron. You actually said that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3233. Dear real Patterico,

    Which sock told you about the Jeff Goldstein threat – which you were apparently informed out of context on since socks like to cause disarray in the blogosphere – comment you mentioned to RS McCain?

    Dustin or Stash?

    http://theothermccain.com/2010/11/13/the-demagogic-bloggers-on-the-right/

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3234. Seriously, Dustin, are there reds under your bed?

    And I’m paranoid?

    No, dickhead…I RAN RAW STORY ALMOST SINGLEHANDEDLY FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS….ITS A FUCKING FACT…

    So if it’s true they’re a bunch of slimeballs..and i think they are just not comic book spies like boris and natasha….thats why they pushed me out last year….cause the clowns went back to raw story..

    at least i get to you sometimes, dustin…you sick and twisted scream five fucks have terrorized me since late june

    suck my fat one you cheap dimestore hood

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3235. Ben,

    There’s no room in your skin…too much blubber…do some push-ups and maybe i can stick my foot up your ass.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3236. Also, I reject Ron’s demand that I don the role of Grand Inquisitor and demand all other commenters prove to me they are conservative.

    I don’t even care. If someone here isn’t conservative, that is 100% cool with me so long as they aren’t lying about anything.

    Beandogs wanted to inject paranoia. Ron wants us to attack eachother instead of discuss the facts. He fundamentally doesn’t understand what discussion threads are. They do not have to be a purity contest where we cheer eachother on in near unison.

    Though this isn’t really about Beandogs. It’s relevant and goes to character, and everyone here should be familiar with it, but this issue is different. Most Lulzsec folks don’t know or care about this story.

    Anyway, I don’t meet the Ron Brynaert test for Real True conservative. If his word means anything to you, kindly kiss my olive ass.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3237. daleyrocks—no doubt you saw that he already declined the invitation to meet at a safe location. And I’m not ringing any doorbell in any building that he lives in. I’m not taking the chance of some of his buddies killing me on his doorstep.
    Plus, he’s the one who needs to be convinced that I’m not a sock,not me.

    pixie–as usual, thank you very much. It’s a foolish game that this guy plays, and he’s just digging his hole deeper and deeper. He just can’t stop making comments about situations that he knows nothing about.Especially ones that concern me. So do me a favor Ron: Whether it comes to me, the real one, or the “sock”–don’t mention my name anymore, and I won’t mention yours.

    Or use the phrases “hack-a-Shaq” “hack up a lung” or “what a third rate hack Ron is”

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3238. Which sock told you about the Jeff Goldstein threat – which you were apparently informed out of context on since socks like to cause disarray in the blogosphere – comment you mentioned to RS McCain?

    I am a huge fan of Robert Stacy Mccain. I’ve also criticized him, and he’s criticized me. That’s life. He’s a huge asset to the right and I have great respect for him. Like Patterico, if I disagree with him I might explain why.

    Jeff G is not a part of this, and I know you and your pals would love nothing more than to use him as a pawn. While I’m not Jeff’s, I can tell you he is very intelligent and will not be used by the likes of you. He knows what it’s like to have a psycho harass his family.

    Jeff and I have had a few very heated disagreements. I’m over it. I doubt he’s any different.

    No, dickhead…I RAN RAW STORY ALMOST SINGLEHANDEDLY FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS….ITS A FUCKING FACT…

    No you didn’t. That’s not a fact. That’s a lie. That’s one of Brett’s operations, and he can’t very well stand proudly beside it because he is a violent felon. He needs someone else to pretend to be in charge.

    You cannot claim to be running Brett’s operation and then claim you seriously have no idea what this guy’s background is.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3239. This is all fascinating. You are doing a good job Dustin. I loved the silly string analogy.

    Again, Gennette’s story has never squared with me but at least I can identify with why she is/might be doing what she is doing (all based on my own theories of course).

    But Ron…His part in this is VERY peculiar to me.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3240. If anyone here is suspicious of me (not that I am some big player in all this) I will give you my brief story of how I became interested in Weinergate.

    I am a libertarian and news junkie. I originally came here from following this on ACE. I used to be into ARG’s which can be kind of like this situation ie. a real life mystery. And I have done lulzy trolling in my past (mostly with a group of friends that I have had online forever) where we would basically just amuse each other which also kind of ties into this as I have seen things like this (albeit without all the seriousness) play out in the past.

    How long until Ron calls me a hacker? lol

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3241. Thanks, Noodles.

    You do not come across as even remotely suspicious. Anyone explaining their reasoning and discussing this honestly looks fine to the rest of us. There are a couple of haven’t consistently done so, and a couple who are outright jerks, but if there’s an effort to sow paranoia it doesn’t seem to be working here.

    I hope you stick around, btw.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3242. I feel less frustrated about it all than yesterday, that is for sure.

    If I ever use a sock you will know me for my poor grammar and sentence structure! =)

    Okay, time to put in a pot pie! lol And no lip out of you Ron as it’s the fancy kind where you have to put foil around the edges! hahaha

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3243. Wow what a day on the blog.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  3244. Ron was neck deep in promoting the After Downing Street scam along with the other usual suspects.

    SHOCKA!

    Pure coincidence, I’m sure.

    He really doesn’t know any of those folks at all or his contact is limited to just a few emails.

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3245. ben,

    i was too mean…

    have a donut or two because if you insanely believe Brett Kimberlin edited or did any editing at Raw Story from 2005 to 2011 you need some serious help…

    What other news sites does he edit?

    You truly have lost it….fatso…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3246. Noodles, you do not seem like a sock, nor suspicious. Thus, enjoy.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3247. Ronny baby, as a liberal you believe in free speech, right?

    The problem is you just have to shut up all these people saying stuff you don’t like. Amirite?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3248. Scam, are you on crack?

    And, douchebag, I CORRECTED RAW STORY AND THE TELEGRAPH ON THAT STORY…do your fucking research!!!!

    And DaleyRocks, when I googled the word troll without your name a fucking duck with a cigar dropped from my ceiling.

    Shame on Patterico for giving you refuge here…you have a long and infamous reputation of stalking lots of bloggers and saying nonsensical and racist and sexist and homophobic crap…because you’re a beandog clown with no fucking life.

    http://chicagoist.com/2007/03/14/game_on.php

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3249. And yes, noodles, being a fucking ARG addict and a lulz chucklehead makes you a fucking hacker…

    This isn’t the [redacted by Patterico] game..it’s real life people being menaced.

    Fucking asswipes…i can’t wait to see all your fat ass mug shots.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3250. I don’t care what you socks have me saying in other threads…I’m sick of being introduced to new socks in PAAAAINNNNNNNFULLLLLLY LONG digressions….it’s a waste of time to read any other comment thread..

    Not like there’s anything going on in here.

    What a fucking joke, this is….

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3251. I don’t believe in posses.

    I don’t believe in lynch mobs.

    I don’t believe in witch hunts.

    I don’t believe in menacing pieces of shit anonymous saying nasty stuff and acting like cyberbullies…and after the last six weeks…i don’t defend ANYONE’S right to be anonymous on the internet….the internet is important..and you chuckleheads have ruined it for everyone…stay in your separate forums and remain anonymous..but i think all media orgs and bloggers should either ban comment sections or ban anonymous commenters PERIOD

    and i’ve always been a critic of anonymous sources in journalism…look it up, socks…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3252. “daleyrocks—no doubt you saw that he already declined the invitation to meet at a safe location.”

    Mike – Thanks for mentioning it. I scrolled back up to find it.

    He’s pathetic and predictable.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3253. Hi Dustin, thanks.

    I understand the enthusiasm for this thread, though my opinion is it’s a definite waste of time. I’ve seen this before. We all have. This is the internet version of pissing into the wind.

    The smoke screen theory sounds about right.

    So let’s see.

    Ron Brynaert: I’m the one who outed Neal Rauhauser, the main bad guy.

    This is the first of many comments I have copied and pasted in which this person is obviously tooting his own horn directing attention towards himself. He’s basically reinventing the Larisa-Leopold wheel for irrational meltdowns. The problem is one needs to provide proof for such a claim, or it’s merely noise. The big picture clearly transcends this dude. Davefromqueens referred to such bloggers as turnoff trolls. He is definitely adept at raising the noise to signal ratio. But that’s nothing to be proud of. It’s the easiest troll tactic in the book.

    Ron Brynaert: Now, i didn’t have to have that meeting, since the New York Times, Kimberlin, all the surviving and released Manson family members and Al Gore all know me from the secret terrorist meetings held in a different midtown Starbucks every third Tuesday when the date adds up to eleven.

    This is just fodder for some lame campaign against Andrew Breitbart. There’s plenty for liberals to disagree with Andrew on. But I don’t get how that leads to a campaign to have him indicted. If Ron hates conservatives this much, why is he here? I’m not into it, so I don’t post much on Patterico’s. I’m saying this man’s presence on this particular thread is quite disturbing and illogical.

    I was the victim of this kind of lame snark in the past. It’s nothing but trolling. When one can’t win a debate, out come the personal attacks and non-sequitors. That’s how the Jason Leopold-Larisa crowd deals with these kinds of convolution snowballs. When in doubt, make even less sense, especially when you’re on “enemy” turf without any means to censor.

    Ron Brynaert: Because I barely know who he is, jackass…we exchanged maybe 8 emails…and i think i talked to him on the phone once…unless he was pretending to be other people too….which seems very likely in sockland….

    I’ve always thought he was a lying jackass, because the Dan Quayle pot story was bullshit…i didn’t even really look at the bomb stuff until patterico spotlighted it the other month..frankly…i still haven’t looked into all that that much since i think a lot might be phony…..

    Letter I wrote to my boss in january of 2009:

    oh i just learned that you and i are puppets and that some dude i never heard of called brett kimberlin calls the shots for us

    There’s your smoke screen with an extra helping of doublespeak. It’s concern trolling. On the one hand, he makes it seem he has had little contact or respect for Brett. Yet on the other he’s saying there’s a lot of “phony” stuff circulating on Brett’s past. Why would anyone say that? What is he referencing? He wants to be seen as both having little and plenty of information on the Speedway Bomber.

    As for his snark about Brett calling the shots at Raw Story, that was my scoop.

    Ron Brynaert: http://jamesrenner.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/the-true-story-of-karl-roves-it-guy/#comment-30

    …………..

    Larisa lied about that story when I talked to her on the phone after this flare-up and i pushed to fire her again….She smeared Renner – with her wackadoo friends – and i wanna give him my emails so he can sue her and raw story (even if that includes me)

    She wrote maybe 15 articles tops in the nearly 5 years i was exec editor and she didn’t edit or have any other role in that time period…and i pushed brad blog and velvet rev banners and stories off the site, too.

    im not gonna discuss other small interactions with brett on net but will with authorities…i only have a few emails…barely knew him….i think john broke away from him…but for all i know he was a silent partner

    i’m not aligned with anyone at raw story…past or present….there’s only one ex-journo from there i still trust…his twitter is hacked…

    That link concerned the Michael Connell hoax. Ron wants us to take his word that he was upset with Larisa’s work. Creeksneakers2, I remember that guy. He debunked it pretty good. There were only a few of us doing that. Of course the Democratic Underground and Daily Kos are heavily censored and manipulated. That has been proven. And I’m not looking for any dumbass wingnut commentary on that’s what you can expect from libtards. The truth is the truth.

    Aaah, and Ron’s also claiming he pushed for VR and Bradblog to be off of Raw Story. He’s coming up with a lot of revisionist history.

    And now he’s saying Brett was an actual partner of Raw Story. When I presented that scoop via an audio blog interview with Brett, Larisa had a conniption, as did the notorious MajorFlaw of the UGOG’s. They didn’t want people to know how incestual the whole thing was. When such ties are exposed, or when their hoaxes are debunked, that’s where their troll manual calls for the goofiest of snark and clutter. This all sounds very familiar, that is the snark above with that of the past, too similar.

    This crowd acts like certain truths were always common knowledge, when the truth was things were being obfuscated.

    Oh yeah, Brett was a driving force of Raw Story. Brett co-founded VR with Brad. There was no coverup. That’s been known the whole time. That’s the ticket.

    This thread reminds me of past epic forum battles over such things as Bev Harris, Andy Stephenson, Jason Leopold and Truthout, the Clint Curtis junk, and the biggie for me was the more recent Michael Connell hoax.

    If my blog is deleted, maybe Patterico will let me repost chunks of it here.

    And now Ron continues with his Leopold-Larisa styled paranoia concerning hacking. Hmmm. Sound familiar, as in Ohio 2004 familiar? Anyone with tough questions became the super sock puppet master including names such as myself and Anonymous Army, not to mention that we or I guess I am employed by both Diebold and the DoD. I think this dude should be ignored. He’s got nothing to offer but convolution and bad vibes. There’s only smoke and mirrors coming out of his yapper. It’s the same old, same old.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3254. It really would make it easier if you geeky losers just told me which sock was which…

    The fat one in front is Dustin aka Ben…but which socks are the other ones? and did Dustin lick all your plates after you ate?

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:New_Cyde.jpg

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3255. “Okay, time to put in a pot pie!”

    Noodles – Soft shell crabs for me tonight! Ronny baby is choking down some more paranoia I think because his story is falling apart.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3256. Maybe this was the same lunch….and Dustin was just using a different sock name:

    https://patterico.com/2009/01/27/so-five-guys-walk-into-a-steakhouse/

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3257. “Noodles, you do not seem like a sock”

    Lies!!! With my sooper dooper Ron-like mad skillz, look at what I have found!
    http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41801_476519360163_4553631_n.jpg

    Heh. Couldn’t resist.

    And every time Ron posts, all I can think of is “look over here !!! nooo, not there , heeerrreeeee !!!” Its like three card monte, but he’s only using one card *snort*

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  3258. Ronny baby, why are you such an angry person?

    Why do you constantly misuse words like menacing and stalking? How would you describe you behavior on this blog? Did you get a brain douche working at Raw Story?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3259. ppk_pixie – Ron has been in angry manic liar mode today. I think his popsicles must have melted or something.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3260. Now to refresh memories…

    Crimes:

    1) Threats by socks on this page…which includes the almost universal sock belief that a woman in Mass. did not get death threats, when she did.

    2) [Redacted] giving credit card authorization numbers so that people could use stolen credit cards in a store he used to work at.

    3) Wide spread hacking of Twitter accounts etc, which have been mocked and still haven’t been admitted by one sock on this page…and the what i assume are ddos attacks from the wikipedia upload from Dustin’s IP address.

    and if this is true, add this to list..and substitute Dustin or Ben McIlwain for Cyde:

    College life gave Cyde a chance to start anew and that he did, as the largest porn distributor on the campus file sharing hub. At its peak, his collection was over 9000 gigabytes (srsly) with 90% of it being scat, dog farts, and amputee. The other 10% was shotacon, so you have to give the guy some credit. For the first time in his life Cyde felt loved and appreciated, but began to crave more and soon turned to IP spoofing in order to increase his distribution bandwidth and block rival distributors.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Cyde

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3261. Yeah a psycho who uses lunatic and points a gun at you on her avatar and talked about SNIPER RIFLES in a thread about President Obama the other day…..

    …that is clearly the nicest human being on this page…and the love for her is heartwarming.

    I bet she’s really 24 and fat and sucks at halo.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3262. Only a blind man would not be able to recognize Dustin’s original picture on his Dust92 twitter account as a younger skinnier Ben McIlwain, but give him credit for pretending he’s not BUSTED as a far left loon called Cyde Weys.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3263. prosterous Dave Weintraub’s posts magically appeared inbetween mine…

    What gives?

    Hacker sorcery…

    Bah…im not reading a word you wrote, assmunch, until you explain who Dave from Queens is…if he really died…why you took over for him…or if someone else did

    Also, are there pictures of you…i haven’t seen any yet…but there’s so much useless nonsense…and you used like six names…

    Are there pictures of you standing next to anybody real?

    Then tell Patterico readers why we should believe you since you seem to be connected to the [redacted] game:

    http://ronbryn.blogspot.com/2011/07/stranded-wind-kid-kenoma-last-statue.html

    Answer those questions, [redacted], Dave whatever you want me to call you dumbass…then i’ll answer any of yours THAT DON’T INVOLVE ME TALKING ABOUT PHONE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH PATTERICO WHO WOULDN’T NEED ME TO RECAP SINCE HE CAN RECALL THEM, ASSMUNCHERS..

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3264. Does Ben McIlwain really dream about getting this call from Patterico in August some time..

    lol…um right….

    “Oh, Dustin, thanks for bailing me out in July. You were the most loyal supporter I had in the comments.

    It’s a shame you didn’t realize when hackers had me saying insane things on twitter like i retire from the web or sending 30 tweets to a cartoon avatar, adding ‘in my pants’ to movie titles like the Lulz anonymous hackers and bashing a Mass. detective and lying about what he said…

    And when i told people to stay off the internet and when i warned about spoofers and hackers and complained about people socking for me…you pretended not to notice.

    And why you would think i would say outrageous things about Dan, Gennette and Ron on my thread, when I’ve clearly stepped away to let the authorities handle this….

    But thanks most of all for bashing Ron, whom I defended on this very thread a few times….you’re my hero, Ben, I mean Dustin…have a cookie….”

    Yeah, Dustin, that call’s gonna happen…oh wait…you still argue Patterico isn’t hacked and would say stupid shit on twitter and refrain from posting columns for six weeks….

    okay dude

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3265. Also, I got you wrong twice, az5thdstrct but I damn well know that’s you socking as Goatsred in this thread….because I REALLY REALLY PISSED YOU OFF and his anger is nonsensical..since I’m trying to help him.

    And you have him saying really, really menacing things when he’s a very nice guy.

    az5thdstrct is a pervert..and a sicko…i can’t wait to find out who he is…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3266. whatever you want me to call you dumbass

    He comments here as prepostericity. Call him that, punk. Brett sued him to get his name with a BS lawsuit, and now you use that name after he asked not to. Your hostility to him is predictable because you are a transparent ally of Brett Kimberlin.

    prepostericity, thanks much for the carefully written subsequent comment. There are a lot of details and it is very helpful to me that you have helped me digest this stuff. They do appear to have an informal playbook. Ron’s behavior does fit many aspects of prior patterns.

    Noodles, you noted I’m doing a good job, but the truth is that Liberty Chick, Prepostericity, Patterico, and Mark Singer did the heavy lifting.

    The full story is not yet revealed, Prepostericity. They went too far this time.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3267. Ronbryn is freaking hysterical. I am rolling on the floor laughing at him.

    JD (92e366)

  3268. I do believe I spotted 71.127.46 coming out of Silver Spring, Maryland just now on Patterico’s sitemeter.

    Hi, Ben!

    Look at the avatar next to his IP address! Is that his imaginary Mandarin Chinese speaking friend SallyBerliana who welcomed you to Twitter in May

    or…jeez you got me…

    http://www.playwares.com/xe/index.php?mid=giventake&document_srl=9157303

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3269. I can’t wait till Patterico gets pissed off enough to talk about that phone call Ron.( ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring)

    “This isn’t the Kid Kenoma game..it’s real life people being menaced”–RB.(Meanwhile, he’s with the group, and is one of the individuals doing the menacing.)
    And continues to belittle,demean and threaten to give up the real identities of posters here who are posting under the guise that they can post ANONomously.
    You represent the worst of the internet warriors and tough guys that fold when under hot lights.
    You guys did it to me a few months ago.

    Hack-eem Hack-ettstown hacksaw

    HACK (noun)
    The noun HACK has 8 senses:

    1. one who works hard at boring tasks
    2. a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends
    3. a mediocre and disdained writer
    4. a tool (as a hoe or pick or mattock) used for breaking up the surface of the soil
    5. a car driven by a person whose job is to take passengers where they want to go in exchange for money
    6. an old or over-worked horse
    7. a horse kept for hire
    8. a saddle horse used for transportation rather than sport etc

    Meaning:

    A mediocre and disdained writer

    Classified under:

    Nouns denoting people

    Synonyms:

    hack writer; literary hack; hack

    Hypernyms (“hack” is a kind of…):

    author; writer (writes (books or stories or articles or the like) professionally (for pay))

    Holonyms (“hack” is a member of…):

    Grub Street (the world of literary hacks)

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3270. paranoia strikes
    ronbryn fever swamp m00nbat
    ghost and his darkness

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3271. “And yes, noodles, being a fucking ARG addict and a lulz chucklehead makes you a fucking hacker…” lolk

    @ daleyrocks sounds good! The pot pie really wasn’t as bad as it sounds.

    @ ppk_pixie =)

    @ Dustin, oh for sure, I just meant you countering Ron in the comments today.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3272. Ron do you even know where az5thdstrct’s avatar or theme comes from?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3273. Ronny baby – I have not seen anything Prepostericity said proven wrong. Your chickensh*t avoidance of his comment adds to his credibility in my eyes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3274. What is the Kid Kenoma game and who cares? Why does Ron keep bring it up as a deflection?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3275. “I don’t care what you socks have me saying in other threads…I’m sick of being introduced to new socks in PAAAAINNNNNNNFULLLLLLY LONG digressions….it’s a waste of time to read any other comment thread..

    Not like there’s anything going on in here.

    What a fucking joke, this is….”

    Ronny baby, and yet you are still here threatening people, menacing people and acting like a thug.

    What a complete joke you are.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3276. I think he just wants people to click his links so he can get their ip/location or whatever.

    Again, I would use hidemyass if I were anyone here reading this. Of course it’s easier just not to click on anything he puts out there which is what I choose to do.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3277. “As I said countless times, the feds can look through my emails, call records, anything they want, in their hunt for hackers and threateners and pranksters.”

    Ronny baby, do you recall anybody else in this saga who made a similar sounding offer? I think the offer was strikingly similar in fact. Hmmmmm.

    You make the above offer but are scared sh*tless to talk about a phone call. Why is that?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3278. I think he just wants people to click his links so he can get their ip/location or whatever.

    This absolutely true.

    Be safe online.

    I haven’t read anything he’s blogged since he said I was in Al Qaeda. I’ve never even read his Clyde crap (hence why I only knew the name he used on twitter… Clyde rather than the correct spelling).

    Prepostericity is no doubt correct that Ron does not offer anything helpful. Clicking his links is probably a fool’s errand, but if you do, use all the protection you’re aware of.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3279. Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Ring Banana Phone!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3280. Aww..am I on your radar too, Ron? Stalking from thread to thread. Knock yourself out.

    But thanks for calling me 24yrs old! Mr Pix will be delighted to hear how he’s robbing the cradle…suddenly *snort*

    But, for the record…I’m not nice. Not even a little. And according to my son, I can’t play Halo for shit. Two of my dogs used to outweigh me individually…but I don’t know if that eliminates my Ron-declared obesity or not 😉

    Oh…and Ron..boo.

    ppk_pixie (6f2250)

  3281. What struck me most about the whole Downing Street matter, was what a puerile effort it was, Dearlove,
    had probably less information at his disposal, than most of what we read in the run up to the war.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3282. Anthony Weiner’s Forest Hills co-op, his sexting headquarters, has found a buyer, according to Madeleine Realty. At the height of the scandal in June, Weiner and his pregnant wife Huma Abedin quickly pulled their two-bedroom apartment off the market, but quietly kept it up for sale.

    Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/weiner_selling_queens_co_op_RD6n1BhW8AWIP2Ut2qHhCK#ixzz1UDkaZKya

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  3283. Not one answer, coward?

    Dustin, can you call [redacted], again.

    Because, evidently, he only materializes when you call him.

    Dear Patterico, why does FREAKY TROLL YOU SHOULD HAVE BANNED IN 2007 SINCE HE ALSO MENACES CONSERVATIVES LIKE DAN RIEHL DaleyRocks know ANYTHING about any of our phone conversations?

    He wouldn’t.

    Proves he’s a hacker troll like the rest of the socks.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3284. Come on…

    Stash, is that you?
    Noodles, JD, Karl….come on….help us out..which geeky troll is which?

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:New_Cyde.jpg

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3285. Which troll sock is John Dean aka SluggoJD@SBCGlobal.net from Costa Mesa, California?

    And what troll identities did you use at Daily Kos…

    And how long have you known Ben McIlwain?

    I have your phone number, too, but I won’t print that.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3286. You socks are all psychos…you’ve been stalking and menacing for YEARS…and you’re all going to jail…

    Googling “sluggojd@sbcglobal.net” shows all the blogs you dickheads menace…since you all work together…and you all have geeky video game backgrounds.

    What other alias does Razor use? He’s a pretend “good cop” sock?

    And what about the CRAZY, OUT OF HER FUCKING MIND PSYCHOPATH who made the bogus FBI complaint about me?

    Hey, psycho, Patterico didn’t believe you at all…and assumed you were a double agent sock trying to set up Dan. Are you pixie? Whomever you are, you’re scary….and my Direct Messages would show you lied but I doubt you made a real FBI complaint because you probably don’t even live in the USA, you psycho. No sane person would choose the latest nickname you have here….it’s like something out of a horror movie, you nutbag freak.

    The AZ avatar looks like the Simpsons..but I don’t care it’s unrealistic that a forty-something financial conservative with a teenage son would use that avatar. It’s something a kid who’s making an older person up would think is funny to use. Patterico would not send 30 tweets to that idiot on two separate occasions and through AZ’ stupidity I figured out multiple hackers control each hacked twitter account…because you can tell what device they use in Old Twitter. You can see that some hackers use tweetdecks and some use iphones, etc.

    Hacked accounts tweet using different devices, it was easy to notice.

    Weiner first used tweetdeck on the day when he allegedly followed Ethel and when starchild111 wrote Ethel…too much of a coincidence…

    But then, of course, Ethel and Shamus Clancy were the ones who hacked Weiner:

    http://ronbryn.blogspot.com/2011/07/maggie-henningg-with-two-gs-and-shamus.html

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3287. You socks figured out the truth…Patterico wants 4,000 comments on this post not to figure out who you anonymous harassing hacking trolls are…

    but to get me to crack…

    so come on…

    Preposterous douche bag, answer my questions about Dave From Queens and the [redacted by Patterico] game. I know about Dave From Queens because I read tons of your stupid blogs and comments across the internet (you fake piece of shit liar working with Neal Rauhauser).

    Patterico is fighting a good fight against puppets but he got suckered by you, you freak.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3288. You socks love to talk about Occam’s Razor.

    Well, it suggests that all you troll are longtime internet trolls like Ben McIlWain and all your names, backgrounds and pictures are here:

    http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Portal:Trolls

    So it’s just a process of linking IPs to newer sock names and older troll names and pictures.

    I don’t track IPs at my new blog…internal blogger doesn’t show them as liar Dustin knows full well…since he is on blogspot: http://www.blogger.com/profile/15590811467601049788

    And he used to have this dumb blog, too:

    http://no-longer-blogless.blogspot.com/

    Sure wish I did since I’d have the Germany IPs….but I can spot them at sitemeters here and at WhyAreWeback.blogspot.com and will continue to match trolls with IPs.

    I think there’s a few of you hackers in Maryland…we’ll catch all of you!!!!!!

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3289. This ChickJustin (her avatar is taken from a recurring drag character from the Tim & Eric show and is popular with LGBT hacktivists) that I blogged about didn’t just hack Patriotusa76 in July….I believe she made some of his earlier tweets (some i believe were hacked) because I saw it in Topsy.com

    (So did JOE!!!!!! Joe hacked the second patriotusa76 tweet to goatsred in January)

    http://ronbryn.blogspot.com/2011/08/chick-justin-brags-to-police-shehe.html

    In a July 26 tweet directed at the Indiana State Police (a spammer using USASunrise and Weinergate menacer/conspiracy theorist Lee Stranahan), someone using the handle @ChickJustin on Twitter boasted that he/she had just hacked the old account used by Dan Wolfe aka @patriotusa76. Wolfe was the mysterious twitterer who spotted the May 27 Rep. Weiner tweet to a Seattle college student before it was deleted.

    Wolfe, who is a source of mine, has been unable to contact me for close to six weeks because of menacing hackers who have hounded up to ten people involved in Weinergate and investigating it. Days after seeing the tweet, Wolfe was forced to shut down @patriotusa76 due to abuse and threats from James O’Keefe associate Simon Templar and Lee Stranahan, plus beandogs sent by Neal Rauhauser. But last week someone reopened the patriotusa76 twitter account and allegedly tweeted links to spam and viruses (I didn’t click on links, that’s what socks connected to Stranahan and Rauhauser aka Stranded Wind at Daily Kos claim).

    Dan Wolfe’s last known twitter account @dwp6776 has been hacked, too, so don’t believe any lies socks are putting in either cyber mouth. He has been menaced by beandogs since April, even before he saw the Weiner tweet.

    The following tweet can be seen at this link unless/until it is deleted: http://twitter.com/#!/chickjustin/status/96006523242823680

    The profile for ChickJustin states, “Objectivist slut, charging my lasers. Studied Italian in TX, so I’m armchair-tough. Don’t mess with it. Love argyles, Fallaci, cats, & offending you. Go Israel!”

    And a blog is linked, The Force of Reason, which seems to be boasts about hacking websites and spreading fake news, aimed at Indiana law enforcement officials, and it contains a quote by Oriana Fallaci, an Italian journalist who died in 2006, who was considered anti-Islamic and racist.

    http://theforceofreason.com

    I’m not quoting any of the insane crap contained at that blog….

    But this is from the New York Times obituary of Oriana Fallaci at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/16/books/16fallaci.html?scp=1&sq=Oriana%20Fallaci%20obituary&st=cse

    Her boldness earned her a new generation of admirers — and many detractors — after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, prompted her to end years of silence with warnings about Islam. In three books beginning with “The Rage and the Pride” (Rizzoli, 2002) and in many interviews, she sharply criticized not only Islamic extremists but also Islam itself. She accused the West of having become too complacent and tolerant to understand the threat she believed Islam presented.

    The “sons of Allah breed like rats,” she wrote, condemning the growing immigration of Muslims in Europe, including her homeland.

    Her warnings endeared her to many conservatives and won her, a lifelong atheist, an audience with Pope Benedict XVI in 2005. But she was also accused of racism, and in Switzerland and Italy she was charged with violating laws against vilifying religion. In 2003, the left-wing Italian newspaper La Repubblica called her an “exhibitionist posing as the Joan of Arc of the West.”

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3290. I’ve been scolding socks about picking up the pace…be WE ALL KNOW why nothing happened this week, really.

    Stranded Wind got temporarily banned at Daily Kos and that’s who all the socks are working with.

    I don’t know if he’s not being reinstated because it seems like third party hackers might have invaded Daily Kos (not for realz…it’s a lie…Markos will pretend to be hacked, too….that seems to be the alibi some will be running with….just like all the Anonymous wars are fake)

    or because they’re scared shitless about the feds probing them over hacking government sites.

    Too bad, Wittier doesn’t have his own blog…even though he bid on the JohnReid9 emails.

    Verum Serum could run stories…but they are too chickenshit.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3291. Neal Rauhauser protected his tweets but you can see he talks to Beth Becker (and apparently still plots strategy) all the time.

    http://twitter.com/#!/spedwybabs

    Beth Becker organizes GLBT protests across the country…and also apparently helps Rauhauser direct the beandogs since she has tweeted many references to them.

    When she was at a protest near the Capitol the other week she sent word out to hacktivists to hit the Facebook page for Rep. Joe Walsh…which forced him to close comments.

    They are thugs.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3292. Dave Weintraub,

    There’s not a single thing you say in this comment that isn’t ridiculous:
    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/comment-page-133/#comment-827887

    I already answered every question multiple times…on twitter and here….

    and to continue to claim that i’m working with anyone at VR or Raw Story is preposterous since how many times do I have to say “yes, they bamboozled me, too” but not in the FANTASTICAL way liars like Neal R, Ben aka Dustin and [redacted by Patterico] aka Preposterous aka Dave From Queens aka Dave Weintraub aka lots of other names.

    Raw Story fucked me over. I never got health insurance…I was promised a piece of the site for years…I was promised a $100,000 bailout if the new publisher fired me…instead i got a few grand and i had to fight to get a few more and sign a No Disclosure Agreement which I declared on Twitter in January that I didn’t give a shit about and that Raw Story could sue me.

    John Byrne sent me an email in LOL MARCH!!!! apologizing…which I fell for…but i believe he’s been actively working with the Netroots on the fringe with Velvet Revolution for the last eight years.

    Cannonfire.blogspot.com is the NEXUS PORTAL between the Netroots, fringe and fake conservatives like Breitbart, Stranahan etc.

    Why did obviously hacked New York Times reporter Jennifer Preston (although I’m not sure she’s so innocent) fake tweet a shout out to Dave From Queens the other week?

    PS: I don’t give a shit about credit or blogging or journalism anymore. Everything I’m blogging and tweeting is strictly for lawyers of victims who want to sue and authorities investigating hackings, punkings and death threats.

    The threats against Weinergate people are just like the threats that Markos has done against Netroots critics and journos at places like The New Republic for eight years.

    All you clowns are going down.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3293. hmmm thinking about it…

    The only two times I ever saw a “journalist” write someone and pretend to be a fan and not inform them at all what they are – at least – partially writing them about was Jen Preston’s letters to JG in California and Larisa Alexandrovna’s emails to the DC madam she forwarded me a few years back.

    I don’t even know if the Larisa emails back and forth to DC madam were true…but we got into a big fight because she wouldn’t write a story on anything related…and i didn’t believe her ridiculous theories and just wanted an exclusive on the DC madam who wanted to tell her side of the story.

    Larisa pretended to be her buddy in the emails – again not sure if they’re true but i will give to authorities and/or lawyers – but she didn’t help her any by refusing to write a story.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3294. Just like Jennifer Preston refuses to write a story about threats and weird shit in Weinergate.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3295. I had to yell at Preston on the phone for not looking into the threats against Patterico and Ace and Mike….and for not following up on the Mass victim. She even allegedly had her real number….but Preston was – for some reason – dragging her ass on investigating threats.

    I keep going back and forth on her…but it seems to me that her previous job as NY Times get all reporters on Twitter lady…and her pretending not to even how to use Twitter when she got the gig is like something StrandedWind would say (like the tons of sock comments who pretend not to be on twitter on this page, and pretend to have never been here before, and pretend to not be able to notice that StrandedWind was banned, and pretend to not know how to use the search function on their browser to find previous comments on this very fucking page, and pretend that no one is hacked anywhere.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3296. And especially wackadoo Ben McIlwain who STILL INSISTS ON SAYING CLYDE and lol rationalizes it because I made a typo once.

    It’s Cyde, Ben, you know since it’s your fucking name. Every time you write CLYDE it makes you look more guilty, dummy.

    Whoops, forgot to include a fat joke….Does that count?

    (PS: The only person I care who reads these comments are the real Patterico…use code or keep in moderation…i dont care….these are for him…and scared victims….not stupid socks…or even real conservative readers….i assume the real patterico can read my posts…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3297. 5/30 tweet is by someone named David Espina @davidespy egging on @EzraDulis who wrote 2 stories for Breitbart on Dan Wolfe to hack his account

    http://twitter.com/#!/davidespy/status/75318808457388032

    “@patriotusa76 @ezradulis hack this fruit thug…. love it when u toothless neo-cons get all riled up…”

    If you Google “patriotusa76-tweets-april26-may30” select cache you can read protected Neal R. file & you can see it came from patriotboy.

    There’s no way in hell that Dan Wolfe would have followed and been followed by @JC_Christian on May 30 who had just sent the following tweet

    “A reminder to @patriotusa76. It’s a crime to destroy evidence if there is an expectation that you will be investigated”

    http://t.co/sNEyBPy

    Patriotboy aka @JC_Christian probably hacked Dan’s account after it went private, added himself on follows then sent file to @NealRauhauser

    Neal Rauhauser uses beandog named Pariah Piggy or Pecan as “Twitter’s exotic rodent strategist. I’m opinionated irreverent and I sing skat!”

    Googling PariahPiggy gets weirdness: I’ve never seen extended twitter links before. Does Neal Rauhauser’s comrade work for Twitter or hack?

    None work: http://www.twitter.com/PariahPiggy/pecanup and http://www.twitter.com/PariahPiggy/tried-true and http://www.twitter.com/PariahPiggy/tried-true-ii etc.

    Back to Ezra Dulis:

    This is his page at Big Government…i don’t know if he hacked his stories there or works for Breitbart or if that’s his real silly face:

    http://biggovernment.com/author/edulis/

    Dan never mentioned to me that he was interviewed by this guy:

    http://biggovernment.com/edulis/2011/05/31/weinergate-twitter-user-dan-wolfe-denies-hacking-accusations-welcomes-fbi-investigation/

    Plus, if you look at his tweets in topsy.com like with Dustin and other hackers you can see his tweets appearing under different user names, like the ethylxka and patterico situation.

    One of Dustin’s old tweets magically turns into the Manchurian China speaking twitterer who is either Dustin, [redacted], fake or one of their geek porn addicted buddies.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3298. http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com/2010/08/fbi-creates-limited-hangout-to.html

    This is Socrates’ blog, as you can see from the comments where he talks about deleting a troll:

    “Hal Turner was a paid FBI informant. He posed as a white supremacist in order to draw out the crazies. His third trial is set to begin in less than a week. This is why the FBI has decided to embarrass itself by threatening legal action against Wikipedia for hosting a high resolution image of its seal.”

    seriously………

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3299. “I RAN RAW STORY ALMOST SINGLEHANDEDLY FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS….ITS A FUCKING FACT…”

    Ronny baby, what a heartwarming rags to riches story!

    From obscure video store manager to Managing Editor of hack publication Raw Story – all on the back of that thinly and anonymously sourced story about George Bush’s alleged 1972 arrest for cocaine and work for Operation P.U.L.L.

    Tell us again about how you hate conspiracy theories and anonymous sources, Ronny baby. I need some more laughs.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3300. Az’s Avatar is great. It shows he has good taste.

    Not sure who Clyde is. Can’t help you there Ron. Sorry. Maybe check Oh Internet.

    Why don’t you go to the FBI Ron? I mean, with all the hackings you get on a daily basis, one would think you would have by now. I wouldn’t hesitate to go to the FBI if I thought I was being hacked by political operatives. No big deal really. They’ll have you send them your story on a legit email (assuming you call)and get back to you if need be. Don’t be intimidated by it silly.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3301. Folks, please don’t feed the troll Ron by responding to his rants.

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  3302. Ron has offered up his e-mails and phone records to law enforcement. I may be able to arrange that for you, Ron. E-mail me and let me know how you would like to be contacted, and I’ll ask them if they would like to have you sign a consent form.

    But of course, I don’t believe you for a second. Dan Wolfe also claimed he would cooperate with law enforcement — right up until the moment when I asked him to actually do so.

    Why do I suspect that Ron will behave in exactly the same way?

    Prove me wrong, Ron. I’m sure I can arrange for a consent form to be provided for you to sign, to accomplish what you have offered.

    Claiming that this is an offer from a “sock” is an excuse that nobody will believe, by the way. You know how to look up the real number for the law enforcement agency I will have contact you, and you can call them yourself to verify it’s for real.

    So what do you say, Ron? Was your offer serious? Or an evasion by a criminal trying to appear innocent?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3303. Ron isn’t just a “troll,” Joe.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3304. “Prove me wrong, Ron. I’m sure I can arrange for a consent form to be provided for you to sign, to accomplish what you have offered.”

    Ronny baby, go for it! Cowboy up. Show a little testicular fortitude. You don’t even have to leave your apartment. LE will come to you. I suggest hiding the weed first, though. Have Brett stop by to hold your hand through the process if you’re nervous.

    C’mon, show Patterico up. He’s calling your bluff.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3305. “Ron isn’t just a “troll,” Joe.”

    Respect must be paid.

    He is a former video store manager and managing editor of Raw Story.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3306. “thinly and anonymously sourced story about George Bush’s alleged 1972 arrest for cocaine and work for Operation P.U.L.L.”

    LOL, you’re silly and do crap research….i had no sources on that..i just googled…

    I don’t think I’ve ever written an anonymously sourced story…i mostly despise them….

    i went from out of work nobody to working with MSNBC, David Corn and the New York Times this year based on my research skills…that’s a bigger leap than from video store manager to raw story updater….and i didn’t earn a dime from blogging until one year after i published that story, daley rocks

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3307. Clyde, heh, funny, noodles, totally proves you aren’t a sock. And scroll up, douche bag, I’m not repeating myself.

    Fake Patterico who is sometimes [redacted] a 49 year old New Yorker who also uses Qritiq but uses old pictures for both her blogs because she can’t accept being older and fatter, suck my big fat one

    I’m not sending any emails because the real Patterico warned everyone to stay off the internet a month ago before you assholes hacked him and started socking and because the real Patterico said above

    https://patterico.com/2011/06/30/someone-smarter-than-me-explain-why-this-is-not-possible/comment-page-135/#comment-814834

    I have one thing to add.

    Even hackers are “real” people.

    They may impersonate people on the Internet. They may lead a shadowy existence. They may mimic others; provide fake identification; tell lies; spoof phone numbers . . . all sorts of things.

    But they are real people. They are not Martians. If they commit crimes, and you catch them, there will be a flesh and blood person behind bars.

    I would caution anyone interested in this story (and public about their interest) to exercise caution. Assume there may be hackers who want to target you. This is not paranoia. It is basic safety.

    ….

    So suck my big fat hairy cock, fake patterico and you bullshit fake conservative hacktivist douchbags that I’m gonna out one by one here….

    or ban me….

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3308. “i had no sources on that”

    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3309. Ronny baby, what a heartwarming rags to riches story!

    LOL.

    I am not reading Ron’s comments. I’m sure he says things about me that are bad, and I’m sure I do not need to bother explaining he is lying.

    However, I want to note that Ron is trying to filibuster. His volume of comments and faux-paranoia right now is specifically because Ron accidentally proved he is affiliated with Brett Kimberlin.

    That answers a lot of questions. Why is Ron so hostile towards anyone who stands up to Brett? And what would Brett and his friends be morally capable of doing to innocent people, in the name of their political activism?

    Ron wants to change the subject. I think Joe is right that currently his comments are trolling. Ron is not a mere troll, but he does want to trigger a huge reaction with more attempts to destroy the lives of anyone who stands in his way. Ron screwed up, and he can’t fix it.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3310. [Redacted] must get the kids on the weekends, making it hard for him to sock puppet here.

    There’s an “all u can eat” chinese restaurant that has later hours on the weekend in Maryland, so that’s why Ben McIlvain doesn’t post much…

    (that’s a lie!!! but since dustin won’t fess up to being fat ass Ben and won’t say who [REDACTED] AKA DAVE WEINTRAUB REALLY IS does it matter?)

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3311. um…glad you’re amused daleyrocks…all i did was google shit and blog on it…

    i’m sure i probably overreached a lot…and some is based on James Hatfield book and Sander Hicks is a fakeass bullshit artist and hacktivist and douchebag….

    But if the stories i based my blogs on were lies…it sure as hell wasn’t my fault…a lot of the stuff in those posts is overreaching….but i found lots of weird connections between Houston oilers, wrestlers and the GOP and it would make a good book…

    but..yeah..there aren’t any sources in that sillly…i didn’t even have any blogging friends yet when i started it…but that’s when that weirdo anthony levansalor contacted me

    and he hooked me up at raw story

    he’s almost definitely involved in the hacking shit too…and is a wackadoo…he turned hard right a long time ago or is faking it….

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3312. I have a long history of criticizing the media on anonymous sources…it’s as silly as calling me racist when my favorite book – which I reread every few years – is Autobiography of Malcolm X – or calling me a Democratic activist when I hate both parties…and really only like five politicians in the history of the US.

    IF Stone is my hero… i research pdfs and govt reports and read transcripts myself….

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3313. I’m not sending any emails because …

    … because your offer to talk to law enforcement was a lie.

    Just like Dan Wolfe.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3314. [redacted]
    [redacted]
    [redacted]
    is
    koam
    is
    wittier
    [redacted]
    [redacted]
    [redacted]

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3315. blow me, fake patterico or i should say [redacted].

    blow me

    blow me

    The real Patterico would never act like you.

    Blow me

    blow me

    blow me

    [redacted] sucks eggs

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3316. [redacted], [redacted], Ben McIlwain, [redacted], and fake Patterico,

    FOOLS.
    FOOLS.
    Have you been listening?
    paying attentin?

    I just find it LMAO that you Lee Stranahan and the tinfoil hat crazies at Patterico are focused on ME while Rauhauser gets away with this. For that, I admire him. Because you all look ridiculous.

    I’m really Dan Wolfe. Come arrest me.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3317. I get the reference.

    “danwolfe7676 (4:14:23 PM): I just find it LMAO that you Lee Stranahan and the tinfoil hat crazies at Kos are focused on ME while Weiner gets away with this. For that, I admire him. Because you all look ridiculous.”

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3318. “But if the stories i based my blogs on were lies…it sure as hell wasn’t my fault”

    Of course not.

    Or if they were based on anonymous sources that doesn’t mean your story was based on anonymous sources, does it?

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ronny baby, stop avoiding Patterico’s offer.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3319. Ron, Patterico asked you to consent to law enforcement seeing your communication.

    You promised you would.

    You have ignored him.

    (that’s a lie!!! but since dustin won’t fess up to being fat ass Ben and won’t say who [REDACTED] AKA DAVE WEINTRAUB REALLY IS does it matter?)

    Ben is an innocent person. You picked his name out of a hat when scouring for someone on wikipedia you could concoct a con about. After asking you many times to explain any link between that guy and me you have simply resorted to calling him ‘fat ass’. You are a 42 year old man, screaming that someone who actually contributed something to world is a ‘fat ass’. He’s a programmer whose bot formats millions of wikis, and apparently is an easy target for childish attacks (though frankly he’s not even that overweight).

    Brett did that too. Just nasty and personal. Provide lots of details, hope they make it hard to see what’s really going on. That’s why he set all those bombs, one of which ruined Carl Delong’s body, leading that innocent man to kill himself. That degree of horror was just mean to distract from a different crime. That’s who you admit to being affiliated with. A deadly con artist. You, a 42 year old man, ankle biting a complete stranger.

    It’s hilarious how you switch from sober defender of Brett to an insane guy who can’t even use his spacebar properly. You’re faking craziness. In reality, you are evil, not crazy.
    ——-

    Gennette, help us get to the bottom of this by sharing with Patterico what you talked about with Weiner and Nikki. Understand this is serious, and folks may not know the relevance of details until they are all together. Even terminating one inquiry would be helpful.

    Get beyond the ego aspect, please. There’s too much of that, and if there’s any chance you can help, you should. Look at this Ron monster, or his friend Brett, and think about the fact some of this story is not publicly being discussed. If I were in your shoes, confused about how the hell my facts would help, I’d send them in anyway just to send a message to thugs like Ron.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3320. I think Patterico should provide the consent for Ron to share his info with LE here in the comments so Ron can print it out and share it with his lawyer or provide a link to a LE website where Ron can obtain the appropriate form so Ron can stop manufacturing excuses why he does not want to make good on his offer.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3321. Ron – Ask yourself, would your parents be proud of your behavior here?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3322. If Ron is Dan I will owe my wife dinner at Cheesecake Factory.

    Not that I even care about that. That’s just trivia.

    Ron’s filibustering against his refusal to cooperate with law enforcement and his screw up RE Brett.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3323. Nah, Ron is not Dan, in my opinion.

    But they are dishonest in similar ways.

    They both have something to hide.

    I think they are hiding different things.

    But they both have something to hide.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3324. lol yeah lets do that daleyrocks that totally sounds like something that will pass muster in court or is it pass mustard?

    i’ll find out your real name later, daleyrocks…you left a million comments on the internet…it won’t be tough…

    yes, fake patterico, it’s a variation on what i told film ladd,

    I AM DAN WOLFE AND I AM MOCKING THE FAKE HACKED PATTERICO WHO IS LEAVING COMMENTS ON THE INTERNET AFTER WARNING EVERYONE TO STAY OFF!!!

    I saw the pic…i hacked everyone…I faked out goatsred….i even sold horse tranquilizer to amy winehouse and bought some of those guns the us government sold to mexican drug gangs.

    come get me…because im writing death threats to all the socks now on the backs of pigeon’s toes i have trained to hunt them down…

    it’s the same way i figured out how dustin was fat ben mcilwain

    come and get me….because im a monster and im gonna eat all sock hearts and then sock brains

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3325. Ron Brynaert writes haikus with how ever many syllables in the first line as he wants because he’s mad, magoo, mad i tell ya

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3326. But daleyrocks is completely sane!

    never mind that he’s one of the most notorious trolls on the internet and filled this page with nonsense parody mostly but then sometimes mixedin with unusually straightforward menace to GC and me.

    DALEYROCKS BE NOT CRAZY…HE FUNNY…LUNATIC FRINGE PPK JOKES ABOUT SNIPER RIFLES….that be funny hahhha lets have breakfast with her yee hah….

    but, no, i’m the mad one…

    hey, jerkoffs….Patterico is cooperating with law enforcement..HE’S NOT BLOGGING OR TWEETING…

    And if anyone wanted to arrest me they know where I live…but since I’m helping to find you punks…why the fuck would they?

    suck my fat one…lying socks

    real patterico is gonna catch every one of you…starting with [redacted] and fat ben mcilwain who cant run very fast.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3327. Colonel Haiku freak,
    Picture of young you on lap of
    Colonel Sanders scares…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3328. Wow, I go on vacation for a month and this thing is still alive. Color me surprised. Doesn’t look like anything new has really developed, though, at least in the public discussions. Looks to me like the same conversation at around comment 3000 that was going on at the start but I admit I haven’t read through all the comments to see what was mussed, just skimmed the last couple of hundred.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  3329. It’s kind of hilarious in a way to read the “Fake Patterico!” stuff. What in the world? Who does he think he’s fooling? Anyone smart enough to turn on a computer can clearly see he is full of it.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3330. I’m hiding me and MY MONKEY!

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3331. My screw up re brett lol….yeah i suggested he could still be John Byrne’s silent partner in Raw Story even now…but i have no knowledge of that…know practically nothing about him…agree he’s a creep…but i think you…fat ben mcilwain helped hack stuff on the internet to make him a terrorist and your uncle seth allen a stalker.

    because spreading confusion is what you punks do…

    i saw your mommy, daleyrocks, and your mommy is dead…i saw her lying in a pool of red…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3332. Pat, when are you going to stop this POS from posting email addresses, names, people’s blogs., etc??

    I’m almost out of here. I’m tired of this crap. You’re letting him run wild over your comments section when all he does is push these theories each and every day over and over again.

    And Ron ,you list DW as your source? You’re a bigger douchebag than I thought. Maybe I’ll release some emails to show you what a total a-hole you are. Six weeks he couldn’t get in touch??

    You don’t know the real story psycho. I do. I lived it, fool. You’re just one of the criminals. The time is come for me to out you,Ron.
    You got nothing to hide?
    Hopefully you’ll swear to it tough guy.

    You finally awoke the sleeping giant.

    And Pat, I’m no longer posting here until this idiot is gone.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3333. And allow him to put L L identity up there??

    Has this place gone mad??

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3334. Now, you’re not gonna have a country that can make these kind of rules work, if you haven’t got men that have learned to tell human rights from a punch in the nose, even if it’s by cyberbullying socks.

    It’s a funny thing about men who still live in their parents house, you know. They all start life being boys.

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if some of these hackers were boys once.

    And that’s why it seemed like a pretty good idea for me to work with Brett Kimberlin for a couple of months out of the year. And build a boat to go back to Kong Island, because those boys are gonna be behind bigger computers some of these days. And it seemed like a pretty good idea, getting King Kong back into this country, along with insects of all types and big ass snakes that Samuel Jackson said I couldn’t bring on the mutherfucking plane.

    Getting them together. Let them find out what makes different snakes and insects tick the way they do. Because I wouldn’t give you two cents for all your fancy rules if, behind them, they didn’t have a little bit of plain, ordinary, everyday kindness and a – a little lookin’ out for the other fella, too…That’s pretty important, all that. It’s just the blood and bone and sinew of this democracy that some great men handed down to the human race, that’s all.

    But of course, if you’ve got to build a dam where King Kong, the insects and the big ass snakes ought to be, to get some graft to pay off some political army or something, well that’s a different thing.

    Oh no! If you think I’m going back to Kong Island and tell the even bigger ass snakes and Kong’s Mother-In-Law which makes him look like a Dubya: ‘Look. Now fella snakes, Ms. Kong..and aw jeez I forgot about the insects. Forget about it. Forget all this stuff I’ve been tellin’ you about this land you live in is a lot of hooey. This isn’t your country. It belongs to a lot of fatass Ben McIlwains and [redacted] and [redacted].’

    Oh no! Not me! And anybody here that thinks I’m gonna do that, they’ve got another thing comin’.

    I’M WHISTLING LOUDLY, NOW, SOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That’s all right. I just wanted to find out if you still had faces. I’m sorry gentlemen. I-I know I’m being disrespectful to this honorable body, I know that. I- A guy like me should never be allowed to get in here in the first place. I know that! And I hate to stand here and try your patience like this, but EITHER I’M DEAD RIGHT OR I’M CRAZY.

    okay fake Gennette CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE THE FAKE PATTERICO THE EVIDENCE HE NEEDS…

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3335. Fake lying ass douchebag Mike pretending to be goatsred…who lol wrote poetry above so i definitely believe it’s him…and protected his tweets because someone hacked him

    I GIVE YOU TOTAL PERMISSION TO “release some [IMAGINARY] emails to show you what a total a-hole you are.”

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3336. SLEEPING GIANT, AWAKE!!!!

    me and brett kimberlin got king kong’s motherinlaw so we ain’t scare of anything in your sock imagination…we have a better one!!!

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3337. i’m gonna go buy some stuff for brett…he wants me to fetch the same furry costume Congressman Wu had on…got me why…but he’s my master

    or maybe im crazy and making that up

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3338. Real Patterico tweeted to me on July 6th or 7th that he assumed hackers were probably sending him emails that they edited stuff out….after i went “on the run” in nyc…

    I got some myself….so did others…im sure…like the ny times and probably jg in cali..

    BUT THEY BELIEVE ME NOT SOCKS!!!!!

    Mike to Me on July 4 in email:

    This is my email…I will communicate thru here like u requested.

    Mike

    Me to Mike on July 5:

    stay off twiter and internet..

    those socks are tricking you…they are making you tweet stuff that will implicate you ….please stop tweeting and stay off the intenert

    don’t email me or contact me ill contact you through email again

    peace

    Then I wrote Patterico on July 5:

    ..they obviusly only showed goatsred the dm part about emailinng me and blocked the rest on twitter…since he tweeted jew-bashing and porno and other crap

    these were my DMs to mike:

    ronbryn
    contact me at ronbrynaert@yahoo.com but do not dm me anymore cause i dont trust twitter messages…but just lay low please

    4 Jul at 02:41

    Ron Brynaert ronbryn
    STOP TWEETING SHIT LIKE LINKS THAT SAY “all whites” rocksem retweeted that…stop leaving comments take days off. email me if u need to
    4 Jul at 02:41

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3339. Now this scumbag is making a liar out of me—
    Dont use my F-ing name anymore. Don’t say you’re trying to help me. You’re creating a smokescreen.

    “3347.I had to yell at Preston on the phone for not looking into the threats against Patterico and Ace and Mike”

    Dont yell at anyone. You don’t matter in this whole thing. The people hurt in it do. The people who pulled the BS do. I’ll be there watching you get locked up. Don’t stick your nose in my business. I’m sick of it.

    You’re a f-ing fool.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3340. Mike,

    I will consider not approving Ron’s comments any more, or for a period of time.

    I think we have been getting some useful information though.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3341. What is the harm in Ron’s using [redacted]’s name? I don’t quite understand that.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3342. I have been contacted by others and did not know the name was known already. My bad on that one.
    I’m thinking we should post DW emails for Ron to see the error of his ways in believing DW’s six week story and some of his BS excuses to me.
    After all, an editor at RAW STORY wouldn’t get fooled ,would he??

    Also Ron, if you want to print somebody’s info, why don’t you print mine? It’s out there? Lay off these guys. But you’re a bully. Take my proposal.Print all the crap that was printed about me. I dare you. Put it up here.
    Let LE see that you have nothing to hide and that I’m not a sock.
    I’m giving you my permission, here in black in white.
    Do it. Be a man. A man that pushes private people around. I was private, but no longer. Nothing to hide. I’ll take the brunt. Stop being a douchebag just because that is what comes easiest to you

    Print my records. Or leave everybody alone.
    Put up or GTFO. The time has come to get called out.

    .

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3343. Let him keep posting, but redact the names he keeps posting over and over of the posters here.

    I offer him a challenge.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3344. Ron—Protected my tweets so idiots like you and your thugs couldn’t read them. Also, you have ONE follower?? Or follow one person? And 8000 tweets.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3345. LOL sock goatsred wants me to smear him here?

    I’m only outing anonymous cowards…I know Mike’s name.

    Fake Mike, blow me.

    And wow you’re fooling people like fake patterico earlier…i gutted my three hundred followers..and you and patterico were the last to go.

    again socks who are you fooling?

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3346. I think the fake mike and the fake patterico are a couple of douchebag asshole shitheads.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3347. Mike, GC, Patterico: good guys

    Almost every other name on this thread: DOUCHEBAG LYING SOCKS FROM THE LEFT.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3348. You’re not fooling me, you’re not fooling Patterico, you’re not fooling Mike (LOL who would believe he wants me to smear him here…that’s what fat ben mcilwain dustin and stash probably did because they’re scumbag hackers), not fooling jgs, not fooling real conservatives, not fooling cops, not fooling anyone

    you’re socks

    who solves a mystery with socks?

    lmfao

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3349. “I think we have been getting some useful information though.”

    LMFAO

    Was it the stuff about King Kong because I made that stuff up.

    The real Patterico isn’t working with socks..lmfao.

    Ron Brynaert (3d3df5)

  3350. Goatsred and Patterico, thank you.

    It’s no fun being cyberstalked. That’s what’s going on concerning myself, in regards to the posts here, at DKos, at many places on the net, and at that vile blog that gets mentioned by disinfo peddlers. The latter latched onto me for unknown reasons quite a while ago.

    Perhaps it got mad at me for not buying into Sept. 11th conspiracy theory, for not embracing other tinfoil, and perhaps especially for my sincere appraisal of the Theresa Duncan story. I don’t know for sure, and with evil trolls like that, I ultimately don’t care. I refuse to suffer cybersmears or directly feed trolls. That’s why if the cyberstalking doesn’t stop, I’ll have to leave.

    Ron is here to latch onto me, Patrick, Dustin, yourself, and others whose blogging has related to Breitbart, Kimberlin being exposed, and now this wienergate thingie. A lot of those topics now overlap. Ron is basically trying to kill a lot of birds at once with one stone. His job is to muddy the waters. He is actually doing a good job preventing meaningful discussion. But it’s obviously an evil job.

    The worst case scenario has arrived for the bad guys. Thus, the nuclear option has been activated. That basically has dirt being thrown into the umpire’s face (hat tip to the Plamegate prosecutor). The umpire here is any good reader or participant hungry for the truth and nothing but the truth, regardless of how it may influence the political zeitgeist.

    I get the impression this Ron guy is trying to run me off this board. I refuse to directly respond to it. He’s got nothing but dirty noise.

    Perhaps he knows who was behind the Dan Wolfe persona and targeted goatsred to become the patsy. But since things like that are tough if not impossible to prove, it’s probably pointless to even theorise (think pissing in the wind).

    I don’t mind if someone critiques anything I’ve posted. If I wrote that the FBI came out with their attack on the uploading of their insignia to act as a limited hangout for a Hal Turner trial as fact and not theory, I was wrong.

    Truth transcends petty, predictable libtard moonbats versus teanut repukelicans internet noise. We should be able to debate the merits of any story based on facts, not noise.

    Hal Turner is a perfect example where conservatives are forced to clean up their own house. Brett and Brad together are an example for lefties to clean their house. The seemingly perpetual right versus left chatter is a mere smoke screen denying us of meaningful interactions.

    Ron’s insane, troll act here is clearly a smoke screen, or a fillibuster as I think Dustin phrased it. It’s tough to get anything really good going because of Ron’s nonstop trolling.

    Patterico is allied with Breitbart. Ron is allied with Kimberlin.It was good to let him keep ranting, because he admitted as such in this thread by claiming a lot of things about Brett’s past are “phony.”

    I don’t buy his schtick he was trying to push VR and Brad off of Raw Story. I don’t believe he had issues with Larisa. He’s after me, because I cleaned that part of the left’s zeitgeist house. He didn’t. He’s grasping at straws. Brett wants me deleted. Ron doesn’t want anyone to think I’ve done some solid blogging. It’s the same objective, to destroy my fifth amendment rights.

    Kimerlin has that Indict Breitbart dot org thingie. He and Brad have various web pages devoted to this and that, all with the intention of garnering donations. But what have they ever accomplished? How much money have they raked in, and where has it gone?

    This Weinergate story has been targeted by the Kimberlin crowd, only because Breitbart was involved at the beginning.

    I believe that Neil guy works for the same people as Kimberlin to go with many others like the cyberstalking troll on this page.

    That’s because I read how one of Neil’s strategy was to get tea partiers to explode. Brett and Brad run some kind of stop the hate campaign. They have a business model. Brad writes up stuff on the hate coming from the right. As a nobody, he has latched onto Breitbart’s popularity. Putting two and two together, it’s easy to come up with theories of why all these people are on the same payroll.

    Brett hates me because among many scoops, one included learning of Lori Grace, heiress to the Oliver Grace fortune. He didn’t like that I asked her to investigate Brett Kimberlin Productions before making any additional substantial donations.

    Basically, I came up with a lot of scoop nuggets through my amateur cybersleuthing, and that’s why attempts are being made to have my blog deleted. Anyone at all aware of internet zeitgeist history knows exactly who Dave Weintraub was.

    Anyone can see at the top of my blog that it is dedicated to his memory. In its early days, Dave’s sister paid a visit. If she had requested I change the name, I would have. I don’t use sock puppets. I do not cyberstalk. I am not paid to post. I am a lefty yet can co-exist with righties under appropriate conditions of mutual respect.

    I’d say at this point myself and Patrick are well past being acquainted and dare I say we have become friends. I think the two of us would be friends in real life, talk sports, go to a movie, play cards. Same with Dustin. But maybe it would be for the best if we avoided talking politics. To quote the great philosopher Bill Bellichick, “It is what it is.”

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3351. Nah, Ron is not Dan, in my opinion.

    Yeah, she hasn’t followed this closely (not that I’m some kind of expert).

    If Dan were Ron we’d have seen a something worse than trolling from him. Ron wouldn’t have waited for Weiner to actually tweet something… he’d have fabricated it. He wouldn’t have been capable of shutting up for a few weeks, either.

    Dan took advantage of a situation he encountered. Ron is not going to wait for any such basis before acting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3352. Was it the stuff about King Kong because I made that stuff up.

    Right. Of course you are filling the thread with hateful diversions.

    Another bet I’d take, if there was any way to resolve it, is that Brett sorely wishes he had picked a smarter partner this time.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3353. I think I am going to start sending Ronnie’s comments to spam because he is boring me. He was funny for a while but now he is just tiresome, and there are few greater sins in a comment section.

    Toodles, Ron.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3354. Ah, but you can’t do that since you are the “fake” Patterico … 😉

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3355. Comment by Prepostericity — 8/6/2011 @ 6:27 pm

    Excellent comment. I’m really encouraged by how these bastards have failed to silence you.

    We’ve got Ron’s number. He has to get nastier and nastier in order to divert attention. After a while that means he’s gotten incredibly nasty indeed. I completely understand Mike’s great anger about it. I have had to cancel posting a lot of unwise reactions to Ron.

    Thanks for seeing the big picture and explaining it. I have little insightful to add right now, but I do think these bastards are right to be in desperation mode right now. If I were in their shoes I would be desperate.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3356. Dustin,

    I agree. They are terrified. I think the fake war to get Neal “banned” is a very good indication of just how worried they are.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3357. Someone photoshop
    pic of me on Sander’s lap
    RonBryn, lying dog

    and Haiku know you have hard-on for Colonel Sanders cuz he put addictive chemical in his chicken that make ya crave it fortnightly, ya wee fat basturd.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3358. He really has become Otto, from ‘Wanda’, sheer odds would dictate he would get something right, but he
    defies simple probability

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  3359. Good/Interesting post Prepostericity.

    Maybe we have turned a corner? First find the thugs that left the threats then on to exposing Brett and Neal? You would think AB has someone working on that already.

    But who are behind the Reids!? lol (j/k at GC’s expense not that I really don’t want to know the answer)

    The FakeNoodles (3681c4)

  3360. Note: The events in my second question are not mutually exclusive.

    I know we are done with Ron for awhile but I wanted to ask this earlier and forgot. It seems weird that he hasn’t tweeted in 2 days (esp. with all the fireworks today). Can someone be suspended or locked out of their account for spamming or something on Twitter?

    The FakeNoodles (3681c4)

  3361. He has too tweeted — he has just gone back to the @ronbryn account.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3362. Thanks! lol

    What kind of hacker am I? This probably wouldn’t have happened if I had a Twitter account (not gonna happen though) instead of just finding yours or someone else following all this and just clicking around.

    The FakeNoodles (3681c4)

  3363. Dustin: I’m really encouraged by how these bastards have failed to silence you.

    We’ve got Ron’s number. He has to get nastier and nastier in order to divert attention….

    Thanks, sincerely. I think Patterico’s decision to let Ron rant worked out, and that his new one to throw his posts into the spam bin is also appropriate. I respect its his website, and I feel safer knowing I won’t be terrorised. I definitely wouldn’t mind posting on this and any future threads that intersect with my own interests.

    Ron surely gave up a chunk of tells before falling back into his hysterical, cyberstalk mode. Maybe he thinks he can keep pushing the envelope without Patterico banning him.

    FakeNoodles, thanks. I only found out about twittergate this last week. Yeah, I heard about it when it first happened, as in a rep got caught in some kind of sex scandal. But only this last week did I realise its connections, albeit after the fact, to Breitbart and Patterico, the Lefty Liars Club, and somehow strangely to moi. So I’m kind of useless. I don’t know anything about the Reid angle. A couple hours ago I googled and figured out goatsred’s story.

    I still don’t have a clue about Patterico being threatened.

    The gennette angle is interesting. As in whether the one here is the one from real life. Now if it is the same person, she really should cough up the email showing Weiner was starting to sense something fishy was going on.

    It’s kind of strange that she is only interested in having her own so-called questions answered, whatever those are.

    It’d be nice to find out who faked being Lee Stranahan in real life. There must be a way to figure out who Dan is. Even if he was using a proxy, those can be figured out. It may lead to some big university computer room, or maybe the indiivdual didn’t cover his tracks that well. Trolls do make mistakes. Then at question is whether trolls like Neil and Ron (who appear to be on the same payroll as Kimberlin) had anything to do with that Dan dude, or whether they have used it as a means to continue with their anti-Breitbart drivel. Hopefully everything will come out in the wash without being whitewashed.

    Patterico, I agree with you that trolls can be fun, but there must be some sort of entertainment value. When they’re obscene like Ron, it’s definitely a drag. They don’t make trolls or movies like they used to.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3364. I didn’t mean to imply Dan was definitely behind a sting of Weiner. I don’t know. A lot of this doesn’t make any sense. It does appear that the person who faked being Stranahan was behind the sting. Or maybe there was no sting, and all this is secondary to the main story and simply contained within the fantasy world of internet convolution. It’s tough to separate what is real from what is fake. Knowing if Dan’s story was legit, that he just stumbled onto it, would help. But then it’d be nice to know how goatsred got involved. But I don’t expect ye to reinvent wheels for me that have already been figured out. Ron’s rants truly made it more difficult for newbies like me to understand what truly happened. Though it would be nice to read a comprehensive synopsis of everything without the clutter.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3365. The link in my username is directing to an error page for patterico.com, even though I didn’t type that in.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3366. That’s because you only put one slash after the http:

    You need two.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3367. Okay..umm. Who or what am I s’posed to be again? I forgot.

    😉

    ppk_pixie (901c40)

  3368. Ron, actually, you are right – the oldest picture that I have online IS old – it’s about TWO YEARS old. (And once again you were right, I’m so fat I have to wear a size 6.) I believe, as you’ve tweeted, that you should report this to the FBI right away – there is no time to spare – you were absolutely right about this. However, you did get a lot about me wrong. For one, I am NOT the fake Patterico. I am the FAKE fake Patterico.

    Now, as you know, the public is in great danger due to both the qritiq blog and my impersonation of a fake fake blogger, so I think it is your duty to notify the authorities and tell them everything you know right away. Be sure to tell them I’m old and fat so they’ll have a really good description.

    And P.S. thanks to goatsred for being a good man when there seem to be fewer and fewer of them around

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3369. I think Ron took his Thorazine and may be done for a while.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3370. Ron’s on his “super troll” Socrates Kid Klingon spin. Gee, I wonder who controls/planted/what have you with anything to do with that bs? Also, why would someone do such a thing?

    The FakeNoodles (3681c4)

  3371. Thank you for blocking that scum Ron Brynaert. I know a few of the people he’s “outed” and can tell you from personal experience that they are not part of some grand conspiracy to mess with him. Ron is a sad sad man. He has no real friends and many of the friends he thought he had grew tired of his boorish behavior long ago. He seriously thinks everyone in his life is a conspirator against him, as if they spend all day thinking about him. He’s a boor, a narcissist, and a bad journalist. Incompetent journalist actually.

    But I don’t think hes a hacker troll. He’s just an asshole who believes he’s fighting the good fight, when he’s really just talking to himself. I know from experience that he is incapable of rational reasonable debate. He just gets loud and annoying. And to think I was friends with this guy long ago.

    But I got really pissed when he dragged my friends name into his conspiracy in this thread. And for that, he’s scum. I found out his phone number and address. Ron, please stop making baseless accusations about innocent people. Please stop menacing them, or I will post your info somewhere.

    How does it feel to know you can be outted, scum?

    And Ps, if you think you email to the FBI was hacked, then why don’t you either walk there or mail a letter? Or can computers hack the post office too?

    Anon999 (67ce95)

  3372. Aaah, thanks for explaining Patterico. About a year ago, my coffee mug stuck to a piece of paper. The result was coffee droplets landing on a few keys. One of them is the slash button. So I have to copy and paste those. The worst is missing the return button. That wasn’t too bad, but eventually the coffee drained past the slash button into the reserve enter key.

    Now I was just a troll hijacking this thread, but hopefully that was an entertaining diversion.

    Hey FakeNoodles, I’ve been on the net since late Plamegate. I started at HuffPo. The spin that I am a super troll actually got started around 2007. But it was only after Brad gave my real name and email address to my first cyberstalker, that it really started bothering me.

    I’m kind of in the same boat as goatsred. Once they’ve completely outed us and turned the cybersmears up a couple hundred notches, they have nothing left in their arsenal to intimidate us with.

    I’d say even though I was a big fish in a small internet pond from around 2007 on, it wasn’t until I was Prepostericity at Democratic Underground and then the soapblox world that I became more like a shark in a lake.

    I’ve never hidden who I was, even when I have had different usernames. Even before I became an internet zeitgeist player, fake socrates were created. I am someone who got very interested in the idea of astroturfing and internet fakes. I don’t hide that I used to blog a lot on so-called chemtrails. That’s where I came into contact with cyberstalker #1.

    I’m not trying to make myself the center of this thread. I apologise if that’s happening a bit. I am just sticking up for myself.

    Prepostericity (b28e88)

  3373. Prepostericity – What’s up with Ron coauthoring so many pieces with David Edwards? Edwards seems like the bug nucking futz conspiracy theory type that Brad and Brett love.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3374. @ Prepostericity

    Oh, he is referring to you? I don’t click or read his links. Sorry if that came out weird I figured he was making up some big fake super troll story. Sounds like he is but I didn’t know he had someone real tied to it all. Again, sorry if that sounded like I was referencing you as part of any of that.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3375. All I have to say here this morning is “Hacked Scooby Doo Mystery Van” Back to my coffee.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3376. yay! they finally
    put Ron Brynaert back in his
    straightjacket/muzzle

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3377. Buh-Bye Ron Brynaert
    don’t forget to write and don’t
    be a stranger, guy

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3378. But how are we going to get to 4000 comments now? Ron was going to do it all on his own. Now we need a different purportedly crazy lefty hack criminal to come in and take his place.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3379. Patterico – Ron must be conducting several limited duration Kinetic Military Actions in his pants today.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3380. how much do I love that this thread is still alive?! :^)

    tifosa (176568)

  3381. Tifosea was one of those that claimed a rethink kokand set up, then disappeared when it’s dishonest narrative was proven to be just that.

    JD (318f81)

  3382. Thanks Patterico for putting the Duncecap on the dunce, even for a couple of days. I fear for the animals and children in his neighborhood now. An idle mind is the devil’s workshop,they say.

    Second thanks@Prepostericity for the mention and the comments. If we ever can exchange notes,feel free to drop me a line thru Patterico. Or at a throwaway email addy (sbgmikeytons@gmail.com)

    Third–Thank you qritiq.

    Fourth–Ron, This is real, real Mike/goatsred. You wouldn’t know if I was a good guy or not. I’ve tweeted with you maybe ten times. You’re an idiot.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3383. I’m beginning to think that you might have a bad habit JD (9th Commandment dude) ;^)

    tifosa (176568)

  3384. Mike I think he found a new white whale.

    Daleyrocks Thanks for the laugh. Brilliant.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3385. Yes Noodles, that’s me and not Al Franken.

    Daleyrocks, that sounds familiar. The problem is the media doesn’t care about internet convolution. If someone could prove election fraud, it’s a story. They don’t care if someone can prove the existence of scams based on election fraud and internet convolution.

    Goatsred, be careful out there. Blowhards like us don’t look for trouble. It finds us. This transcends whether one is right, left, or from Mars or Venus.

    Prepostericity (42bb95)

  3386. An injustice has taken place. I need someone in Maryland to file a motion for dismissal. Yesterday afternoon someone dropped a writ of summons dated May 5th on my side entrance. I was never properly served. Kimberlin may be a mad genius, but he’s also an idiot.

    The problem is total justice is generally available only for those who can afford it. Some unethical lawyer in Maryland, a good one I might add, asked me for 40 grand upfront and to meet him in person, before he would take the case. I googled his story a bit. This guy will defend any arse in the book, as long as they pay through the nose. Ethics, schmethics.

    I called the FBI this morning and was treated rudely. I guess their motto isn’t to protect and to serve. How is dropping off an expired writ of summons not a crime? How is telling a court a summons was properly served when it wasn’t not fraud?

    I’ve left an “urgent” phone message with the court. I guess there’s always Monday. I’m also going to try the Washington Post.

    This is total horse hockey.

    I’m not going to give away all my options left. Is Aaron an attorney in the Washington area? A fricken paralegal or even just someone who can read or write could get this case dismissed in five minutes. I can’t make it to Maryland to defend myself. The only way Kimberlin beats me is if good people do nothing. I can come up with some money for costs and whatnot. But forty grand upfront is bogus. The court system is broken. I am begging for help in no uncertain terms.

    Prepostericity (42bb95)

  3387. A little experimentation here but a serious comment too.

    Number 2798: (The blockquote command is only useful if it is combined with italics. Link by the way doesn’t work in the same computer where the full don’t appear. But here it is so cumbersome it is almost like painting.)

    Comment by koam @wittier — 8/4/2011 @ 8:47 am

    NYT smoothed over the details of Ethel & AW’s conversations…to wit, Ethel quoted AW as writing “shit” along with “cape & tights” (just like he had done with the full-on, naughty-talking Lisa from Vegas). The NYT left “shit” out of the quote, not using “[expletive]” and also not even punctuating the quote correctly with an elipsis to show that words had been omitted.” In this case, NYT was clearly whitewashing actual evidence that it had that looked not so good for Weiner (a congressman, especially a naught one, should not be so familiar & casual with teen girls he doesn’t know, and certainly shouldn’t use expletives in written correspondence.)

    The New York Times always sanitizes the news. It often omits facts. Its obituaries never mention anybody’s religion, unless that was crucial to what somebody did in their life, but it always mentions children, survivors and books written. But this is especially true with words.

    The New York Times’s slogan, going back to 1896 I think, is:

    “All the News
    | That’s Fit to Print”

    This is covered by the “Fit to Print” part of the slogan.

    The New York Times has only very very occasionally printed the words “expletive deleted”

    What I have seen a few times recently, is where someone is quoted, they will change the quote and note that was not the actual word used by the person.

    In Cellphone Wars, Movie Chain Uses a Violator’s Words by Andrew Adam Newman, June 24, 2011

    “In the message, the caller, who is not identified, asks if “you guys actually enjoy treating your customers like dirt?” although the last word is an expletive that is bleeped out.”

    Now in that story the s??? word is actually crucial to the story. Here this may not be the case.

    I think I have also seem columnists alluding to words that cannot be published there.

    What is interesting, in retrospect, about the New York Times story that focused on ETHEL (the Delaware girl) is that there is no reference to the “honey mustard” tweet. Now that could be, first of all, because the New York Times does not want too publish anything that is not true and this could not be verified, but also because maybe Jennifer Preston believed Ethel that she didn’t send that. Gennette seems to think so too, but seems to think maybe a friend did that. Ethel at some point claimed she was hacked – was that before Weiner did? If Jennifer Preston thinks Ethel did not send that, and also this is not a case of a friend borrowing her phone to put something embarassing out there, then indeed this would cause her to think this is bigger than anyone thinks. The honey mustard tweet did actually appear, Mike Stack/goatsred, for one, saw it before it was deleted and one of these days this can be verified through the Libary of Congress.

    I think Jennifer Preston stopped writing because she has no idea what the true facts are, and the New york Times doesn’t like to publish speculation. It didn’t even want to publish some very widespread speculation in Congress and other places last week. I can’t look it up here, it’s too difficult or time consuming (The bias comes in with what things they are more careful about)

    NYT, in the key Preston/Intern article that revealed that poor Tommy (get well soon) had been duped, also misled the reader into the suggestion that Nikki had initiated Weiner conversations with Gennette. Gennette graciously and tellingly corrected that incorrect insinuation on these pages. One would never, ever have known that by reading the NYT or by reading the thousands of media outlets that base their stories on what Preston wrote. Either Preston didn’t know about that detail because she wasn’t told, or didn’t read the DMs closely enough, or she ignored it because it didn’t fit her theme that Nikki was a right-wing operative stalking Weiner in order to collect dirt to use against him. It’s a key fact that Nikki talked to GC for many weeks, in thousands of messages, and Nikki never brought up Weiner. You have to read Patterico to know that, thanks to Gennette, and Patterico, and no thanks to the Grey Lady & Mrs. P.

    It was the New York Times story that alerted me to the whole thing.

    And it isn’t like you said. What it says there is:


    In an interview, Ms. Cordova said she was contacted on Twitter by “Nikki Reid,” who said she admired one of her posts and then began exchanging private messages with her almost every day for three or four weeks starting May 5. “There was something weird about it,” Ms. Cordova said. At the beginning of their exchanges, Ms. Cordova said, there was no mention of Mr. Weiner. Then the user began to ask her for advice saying, “I’m a fan girl/ too,” and “How did you get him to follow you?”

    I think it is quite reasonable that Jennifer Preston missed the point (Gennette may not have eve gotten into this kind of detail) that Nikki was not the first one to mention Weiner. Gennette suspected (because she saw the list of people Nikki was following and because Nikki had not bene up front with her about why) that “Nikki’s” real object was establishing contact with Anthony Weiner, and she didn’t want to wait a couple of weeks more till Nikki mentioned Weiner, so she brought up Weiner’s name first herself, and indeed when she brought up his name, that turned out to be the case.

    When Ms. Cordova saw that Mr. Weiner was following “Nikki Reid,” she said, she expressed her suspicions about the girl’s identity to him in a private message and he stopped following the account.

    So first she gives her a little advice (not expecting Weiner to actually follow her – at least for that not to happen so soon) and then she warns Weiner off him. Because you see, she’s really, really, interested in who or what Nikki really is.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a)

  3388. Comment by Prepostericity 3348–I know exactly what you are talking about. Better group of friends since that happened to me and making better choices now as to who to follow and to trust. (not many).
    Sorry to hear about your issues with your tormentors.Imagine if they dedicated their time to something useful?

    goatsred (66819b)

  3389. Ron,(or should I call you “Mr.Spam”?). Its so funny how you try to pass things off as fact here and think that you will not be challenged.

    Two of your posts listing people as your sources or listing info you post as “fact” has been immediately debunked by the subject(s).

    I am going to collect the info and send it to the “real,fake.real Patterico”. Then we can deseminate it as we see fit.This will definitely be a testament to your hard work and research at The Raw Kimberlin Story.

    Is it dark in the Spam Folder?

    goatsred (66819b)

  3390. Laughing till my sides ache at this broad, deep vein of butthurt. I very much want all of you locked in a high school gym, dosed with E, and forced to sing Kumbaya.

    People are really filing criminal reports over this stuff? Really? And there are lawsuits? Genuine, signed by judges court papers lawsuits?

    This thread, it is nearly complete. What’s missing? I think 4chan should not be left out of the fun. Everyone please create Twitter sock puppets, tweet real names and phone numbers to @ronbryn, and I’ll make a nice post to /b/ once I have enough of them. Can’t do it until I have numbers for all the major bozos – Patterico, Stranahan, Bryn, Kimberlin, Rauhauser, any of the Reids, Dan Wolfe, Stack, and that Jennifer George in California looks ripe for fun to me.

    Libertarians, one and all – if the 4chan lulz are sufficient we’ll see about getting you guys wrote up over on Encyclopedia Dramatica, too – this is epic.

    turpentine (d66524)

  3391. @Sammyfinkleman

    There were minor details that were off about the NYT story. Nothing big that changes that story but they did bother me simply because they were incorrect.
    Like this: Then the user began to ask her for advice saying, “I’m a fan girl/ too,” and “How did you get him to follow you?”
    That happened with Ginger and Ethel, not me.

    And this was also wrong: When Ms. Cordova saw that Mr. Weiner was following “Nikki Reid,” she said, she expressed her suspicions about the girl’s identity to him in a private message and he stopped following the account.

    But I think its important to point out that when you said: and she didn’t want to wait a couple of weeks more till Nikki mentioned Weiner, so she brought up Weiner’s name first herself
    That is also incorrect. I brought him up first but I never said his name. I alluded to a politician that was following me and then Nikki said his name.

    Something that I’ve always wondered is why Nikki’s approach was so different with me. With Ginger and Ethel her initial contact with them was inquiring about AW and openly admitting that she was a “fangirl”.
    With me she responded to a tweet that I posted about a book, after she had been following me for quite some time, and then she begins attempting to (quickly and aggressively) establish a rapport with me. She doesn’t bring AW up at all and when I asked her why she had followed me initially she lied about it.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3392. #3443—All the basic tells of the most vile creature on the face of the earth-Neal R.

    What, did you just stumble on this website and were drawn to this thread?? Has to name hackers and the word “butthurt”, which I believe was an award given to you a few weeks ago??

    Being banned at Kos still giving you butthurt??

    Hi Neal!!

    goatsred (66819b)

  3393. Neal–You already know my info, because you helped spread it. Do it again. It will save you some time with all your hacker buddies.There is nothing you can do to me. Nothing. NOTHING.

    Just like I told Ron: Print my info here. Please. I dare you. Under your real name.
    You wont because you are a coward. Hiding behind little friends.
    You want my phone number? I’ll give it to you.

    Hi Stranded Wind!!

    goatsred (66819b)

  3394. Libertarians, one and all – if the 4chan lulz are sufficient we’ll see about getting you guys wrote up over on Encyclopedia Dramatica, too – this is epic.

    Comment by turpentine — 8/7/2011 @ 9:14 pm

    No, you just haven’t been informed on the full nature of the crimes.

    Ronbryn and Neal’s screaming and whining and screaming and whining do indeed look dramatic and stupid and pathetic.

    But there’s more to this than the pathetic effort by Ron and Neal to make this look like a punch of people saying stupid things online. Ignore all that. This is not about that. That is a diversion.

    People aren’t just filing criminal complaints. Law enforcement is working hard to solve the crimes.

    BTW, if you really followed this thread, you understand Ron is defending Brett from bombing a human being until his body was ruined and that man felt death was better than life in that condition. You that that’s funny? What the hell is wrong with you?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3395. Prepostericity

    My contact info is on every post, so feel free to email me.

    I can’t promise much because I am not admitted in Maryland, but I will see if there is something i can do.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  3396. Mike – You’re learning that the SOP of this group is to deflect, deflect, deflect.

    Prepostericity has written some good stuff on the machinations of some members of this cabal, which is why they keep trying to silence him.

    I wish you luck sorting out Gennette lies from the truth without supporting documentation. Remember that she’s a very interested party in this saga.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3397. Something that I’ve always wondered is why Nikki’s approach was so different with me…

    Comment by Gennette — 8/7/2011 @ 9:19 pm

    If you consider that Starchild111 was always evolving, it makes sense that her approach wasn’t exactly the same with you, Gennette.

    Also, we don’t really know the extent of Starchild111’s relationships with Ginger Lee and Ethel, because they haven’t revealed that info. We do know that Starchild made multiple attempts to escalate her relationship with Lee, but it’s not clear if she ever succeeded in getting Lee to DM with her, or if she ever even asked. (I’ve never been able to find any tweet where she does, but not every Starchild111 tweet survives in the public record either.)

    We also know that Starchild111 DMed with Ethel, but don’t know the extent of those conversations either.

    Starchild111 didn’t immediately ask you about Weiner as she did with the others. One possible reason for this: Her ultimate goal was to contact Weiner directly and establish a relationship with him, but she didn’t want to tip her hand too much.

    After all, if there’s one thing we can say about this story, it’s that the only person who may have been monitoring Weiner more vigilant than Patriot, it was Weiner himself.

    You told Starchild111, for example, that you never asked Weiner for a follow — so how did he know about you? Presumably, he was searching for mentions of his handle, saw your tweets about him, checked out your Twitter page, then followed you.

    That also appears to be the case with Ginger Lee. She got his attention by tweeting flirtatious things about/to him, and he followed.

    So if he’s looking at these womens’ tweet-streams when they talk about him, well, who else is he seeing? Starchild111, because she keeps showing up too, and asking questions about him in her trademark aggressive/fawning tone.

    In addition, she keeps showing up right around the same time Patriot shows up — she and Patriot contact Ethel within one minute of each other on the day that Weiner started following her and was presumably checking out her tweet-stream because he was also DMing with her.

    After a while, a suspicious-looking pattern emerges — a woman says something flirtatious about Weiner and inevitably Patriot/Starchild111 show up.

    So even if Starchild111 is operating independently of Patriot, it makes sense for her not to approach you as blatantly as she did with Ginger Lee and Ethel: If she does, it’s going to be third woman she does this with, and Weiner’s probably going to take note if he hasn’t already. Does she really want to look like that much of a desperate groupie to him?

    And if she’s operating in concert with Patriot, it especially makes sense that she not question you about Weiner so quickly and so openly, because Patriot has already tweeted numerous times (on 04/19 and 04/20) that Weiner is following you. If Starchild111 grills you openly and aggressively about him, this will mark the third time of the Patriot/Starchild111 tag-team, and Weiner may begin to suspect, if he hasn’t already done so, that something fishy’s going on. So Starchild111 takes a stealthier approach with you.

    In retrospect, it does seems likely Weiner had atl least some familiarity with Starchild111 well before you did. If he were paying close attention, he may have even witnessed her transformation from faceless, biography-free Twitter entity (which she was when she contacted Ginger Lee) into California HS girl Nikki Reid.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3398. @DaleyRocks

    Sorting out my lies? You never quit do you? Goat is just as interested as I am in finding out who is behind the Reids. Because, like me, he was personally targeted and used by this person or group of people.
    I would actually be happy to share the screenshot (of the conversation that I had with AW about Nikki being fake) with Goat if he really wanted to see it. I trust him more than anyone else here.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3399. @Greg

    Yes, all of that makes sense to me. I guess what I meant was, why me specifically. Was there something I had done that made her behave differently towards me… I guess we’ll never know.
    But you make a good point, I had always assumed that I had brought Starchild111 to AW’s attention because he didn’t say that he had already seen it… but there is a good chance that he had already noticed the account and been suspicious of it.

    Also, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of what Ethel’s and Nikki’s communications were like because Nikki talked about it with me quite a bit, she would even send me random screencaps of their conversations. Of course, whoever is behind Nikki is obviously someone that can’t be trusted so they could have completely misrepresented that relationship.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3400. 3444: Comment by Gennette — 8/7/2011 @ 9:19 pm

    There were minor details that were off about the NYT story. Nothing big that changes that story but they did bother me simply because they were incorrect.

    Like this: Then the user began to ask her for advice saying, “I’m a fan girl too,” and “How did you get him to follow you?”

    That happened with Ginger and Ethel, not me.

    Nikki twice said “I’m a fan girl?” or did she send a different tweet to Ethel that used the word “fan?”

    I do remember reading “fan girl” and Soundbitten says that was to Ginger March 13:

    http://www.soundbitten.com/archives/week_2011_06_19.html

    03/13/11: In response to Ginger Lee’s tweet about getting a DM from Weiner, Starchild111 tweets Ginger Lee. “I can relate I’m a fangirl too! What did he say (trying to live vicariously through you lol)?!!!” Ginger Lee tells Starchild111 that Weiner thanked her for her shout-outs and said he liked her blog. Starchild111 tells Lee that she likes her blog as well. Ginger Lee responds, “Well thank you. :blushes:”

    I think maybe there is another quote from “Nikki” that also uses the word “fan” but I am not sure.

    Did you give Jennifer Preston about the “fan girl” quote?

    This kind of a mistake can happen with people interviewing people. Anytime you report anything to the police and then look up what they write you’ll see these kinds of mistakes. People
    they think they will remember more than they actually will when the time comes to write it up and they don’t spell it completely out soon if not right away.

    She could have had that in her notes but not remembered that’s not what was said to you – or possibly also never gotten straight in the first place that that was said to somewbody else but not necessarily to you.

    And this was also wrong: When Ms. Cordova saw that Mr. Weiner was following “Nikki Reid,” she said, she expressed her suspicions about the girl’s identity to him in a private message and he stopped following the account.

    That clears one thing up. It wasn’;t you – it was bornfreecrew

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3401. @SammyFinkleman

    I understand that its easy to get things wrong when you’re interviewing people. And, in regards to the way she used information that I had given her, there were no egregious errors.

    If I recall correctly, Starchild111 told both Ginger and Ethel that she was a “fangirl”. But I could be wrong.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3402. I guess what I meant was, why me specifically. Was there something I had done that made her behave differently towards me…
    Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 11:33 am

    Other than not immediately asking about Weiner, how do you believe she behaved differently with you?

    Again, she sent several tweets to Ginger Lee that had nothing to do with Weiner but were instead attempts to escalate the intimacy of their relationship….isn’t that pretty much what she was doing with you?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3403. Gennette – You keep saying you don’t care about what people here think of you. Don’t let me distract you from the singleness of your purpose.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3404. @Greg
    It was more than just not immediately asking about him though. She tried to make it seem like her following me/initially contacting me had absolutely nothing to do with him at all.
    And the way she aggressively tried to build a connection with me was very strange… of course, that could have happened with the other girls and they just weren’t open to it, I’m not sure.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3405. Gennette, do you remember anything particularly noteworthy or odd about any of the conversations you with Starchild111 on the first day she contacted you, which was 05/05?

    Did you actually start DMing with her that day? And if you did, was there anything you said, however indirectly, that may have led Starchild111 to believe you were engaged in some kind of more intimate relationship with Weiner?

    I ask because it’s later that same day that Patriot first floats the rumor about a scandal involving a congressman, a mistress, and pix.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3406. @Greg

    We did begin DMing that day. She responded to a tweet about a book and then asked me to follow her so she could DM me.
    I remember it clearly because I was getting ready to go out for Cinco De Mayo.
    There was nothing that she said that made me think she would be involved with Weiner. She was talking about her ex-boyfriend and how distraught she was over their break up. She was pretty intense about it, which of course I thought was strange because I was a complete stranger to her.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3407. Greg,

    I think Maybee was right when she noted that “Patriot’s timing lines up pretty well with Megan Broussard.” As Maybee also said, the point of Nikki may have been to get vulnerable girls and women to admit their flirtations with Weiner.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3408. I totally agree with Goatsred and Dustin about that Turpentine post. Idk if it’s Neal or not but there is no way that some /b/tard wandered onto to this thread and thinks it would make a great article for Encyclopedia Dramatica (which is now a mirror and a mere shadow of it’s former self).

    The only ones following this still are the people invested in it, be it people directly involved or people following it from the beginning.

    See, it’s all just “chcuckleheads” and “wackadoos” playing games! How convenient.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3409. I think Maybee was right when she noted that “Patriot’s timing lines up pretty well with Megan Broussard.” As Maybee also said, the point of Nikki may have been to get vulnerable girls and women to admit their flirtations with Weiner.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/8/2011 @ 1:14 pm

    I also think this makes sense. But I remember Patriot saying something about a teenage girl as well.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3410. @Goatsred
    Im just now reading through some older comments. I apologize for referring to you as “Goat” vs Mike. Sorry!

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3411. I think Maybee was right when she noted that “Patriot’s timing lines up pretty well with Megan Broussard.” As Maybee also said, the point of Nikki may have been to get vulnerable girls and women to admit their flirtations with Weiner.

    Comment by DRJ — 8/8/2011 @ 1:14 pm

    I also think this makes sense. But I remember Patriot saying something about a teenage girl as well.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 1:29 pm

    I agree that the timing of Meagan Broussard photo exchanges lines up well with Patriot announcements about the scandal — that was actually the first thing that made me take closer notice of this story.

    But as Gennette suggests, there’s also a case to be made that she was being “cast” as Weiner’s secret mistress.

    On 05/05, a few hours after Starchild111 contacts Gennette for the first time, Patriot feeds the scandal rumor to Goatsred and Goatsred tweets it. At that point, it’s a scandal involving a “congressman,” a “mistress,” and “pix.”

    On 05/11, Goatsred tweets a screencap of Gennette’s Twitter profile to Patriot. (Patriot would often ask Goatsred to do his screen-capping for him.)

    A half hour later, Goatsred tweets, “Update on Powerful NorthEastDem in Pics — Sources tell me that the girl is a teenager. Not underaged.”

    As Goatsred has explained in the past, Patriot would often feed him info to tweet and that appears to be happening here as well.

    The next day, 05/12, Patriot tweets at least 20 tweets about the sex scandal and the fact that Weiner is following “young girls.” He tweets links to screen-caps of four of these women/girls, including Gennette and Ethel.

    At this point, Weiner is no longer following Ethel and because she’s also underaged, she doesn’t fit the “not underaged” description of the alleged mistress. Likewise, I believe Gennette is 20 or 21, so she doesn’t fit the “teen” description…

    But she’s also the only one of the remaining three that Patriot has tweeted directly and tried to publicize as being inappropriately involved with Weiner. (Or at least I haven’t ever seen any instances of Patriot or any other members of the Bornfreecrew tweeting those two other women or publicizing the fact that Weiner is following them.)

    All told, I think the evidence suggests that Patriot made at least some effort to link Gennette to the scandal rumor well before Weiner actually tweeted his pic to her.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3412. All told, I think the evidence suggests that Patriot made at least some effort to link Gennette to the scandal rumor well before Weiner actually tweeted his pic to her.

    Comment by Greg — 8/8/2011 @ 2:28 pm

    Would you post some of that evidence here if you can remember where you saw it… I don’t think I caught that.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3413. Sorry, Qritiq. A 17 year old is a young girl.

    You don’t get to just define young girl as 7-10 years old and then ‘gotcha’ anyone who uses normal language.

    Sorry.

    And sorry.

    Two of my first search results found.

    I’ve never really figured out why you have so much hostility, Qritiq. You’re really reaching.

    Weiner is a sick little bastard (for example, talking about choking women with his penis), who didn’t appear to filter out minors effectively, in my opinion.

    May I ask you a direct question, Qritiq? How many names have you commented under on this blog in the past 30 days?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3414. btw, I think Gennette, DRJ, and Maybee may very well be onto something. Their theory is more realistic than any I’ve posited about Nikki.

    Very interesting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3415. @qritiq
    Interesting. I’ve been called a “young girl” multiple times during this ordeal which I find ridiculous.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3416. Interesting. I’ve been called a “young girl” multiple times during this ordeal which I find ridiculous.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 3:05 pm

    Well, you’re an adult. You’re 21 or 22… I can’t remember exactly (no offense).

    That is, to me, a young lady. Very young, in fact.

    A 17 year old joking about honey mustard lube is disturbing and evokes a worry specifically about how someone so young is saying something like that.

    The fact is that for many people, an older guy like Weiner following so many women that are so young seems pretty bad. It’s like he’s abusing the trappings of office to be a dirty old man. It’s easy to call the minors (and sock-minors) young girls. It’s also pretty easy to call the adult-yet just barely so young girls, though I can understand why a young lady would find this insulting.

    I don’t think any insult is intended for the most part. I looked at some of Qritiq’s quotes and definitely don’t see this as propaganda at all.

    Sorry y’all. You don’t get to rewrite the English language. Calling a teenager a young girl is perfectly acceptable. In no sense did Patterico suggest she was younger than she was.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3417. “re “young girls”: http://wp.me/6l52

    Comment by qritiq — 8/8/2011 @ 2:42 pm”

    Pedobear agrees.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3418. Dustin:

    I have commented under one name on this blog: qritiq.

    I don’t know why you mischaracterize me as hostile. Actually, saying that *I’m* hostile when I’m not, seems a bit hostile on your part. And insinuating that I use multiple handles on this thread, when I don’t, is also hostile. Just sayin.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3419. “I don’t know why you mischaracterize me as hostile.”

    qritiq – Are you now suggesting telling Patterico that he may not want to look into certain parties involved in this saga should not be interpreted as a hostile comment?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3420. All told, I think the evidence suggests that Patriot made at least some effort to link Gennette to the scandal rumor well before Weiner actually tweeted his pic to her.

    Comment by Greg — 8/8/2011 @ 2:28 pm

    Would you post some of that evidence here if you can remember where you saw it… I don’t think I caught that.

    Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 2:34 pm

    Gennette, by “evidence” i meant the stuff I described earlier in that post. Are you asking for specific links to this stuff, or did you think I was referring to additional material I didn’t describe?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3421. I have commented under one name on this blog: qritiq.

    Thanks.

    And insinuating that I use multiple handles on this thread, when I don’t, is also hostile. Just sayin.

    Sure. Fair enough. I asked directly though about my specific concern. I’m totally unfamiliar with you and don’t understand your tenor, generally, which tends to be critical of people instead of ideas. You have taken a lot of people on, which I just think is unhelpful.

    Sure, I also take people on directly, but I either do it as I did with you, which is to just state my concern directly, or I have some really damn good reason (such as with Ron and Brett).

    I don’t think anything Koam or Patterico is saying justifies this degree of mistrust.

    I don’t know why you mischaracterize me as hostile

    You snark and dismiss threats to a man’s family, and then hunt for any possible thing to disagree with him on (at least, that’s the only way I can interpret this stale ‘young girl = propaganda’ hit piece you wrote. Yes, you are hostile. Why not admit it? For some reason, you have a bone to pick with Koam and Patterico.

    I don’t mind that, so long as you do not threaten their families and are willing to do all you can to shed as much light on what happened as possible. For the most part, I think you’re contributing thoughtful points, though I don’t always agree. The only gripe I have is that you do come across as a hostile sock sometimes.

    Just being honest.

    -=———–

    Gennette, I am thinking how I’d interpret ‘Young Boy’ directed at me if I were your age. I would also have called that ridiculous. I was a Sergeant in the US Army and taking chemistry from a commuter college, and recall specifically being extremely annoyed when politicians would call people in my position ‘our children’ or ‘boys and girls’.

    I understand where you’re coming from, and I wouldn’t be surprised if a message of ‘you are immature’ is implied sometimes.

    For my part, saying a young girl like Ethel or sock-Nicki is what she is is meant to underline that Weiner should have seen these kids that way. With Nikki I am constantly confused, but with Ethel I’m just disturbed such a young lady in need of help found absolutely none. Except for Mike. Bugs the hell out of me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3422. btw, I think Gennette, DRJ, and Maybee may very well be onto something. Their theory is more realistic than any I’ve posited about Nikki.

    Comment by Dustin — 8/8/2011 @ 3:01 pm

    Which theory do you mean, Dustin? That Patriot is somehow connected to Meagan Broussard, or that Nikki’s role was to “get vulnerable girls and women to admit their flirtations with Weiner”?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3423. Sorry y’all. You don’t get to rewrite the English language. Calling a teenager a young girl is perfectly acceptable. In no sense did Patterico suggest she was younger than she was.

    Comment by Dustin — 8/8/2011 @ 3:11 pm

    I don’t think it has anything to do with rewriting English. I don’t think its too strane for an adult to call a 17 year old a “young girl” but depending on the girl she might not see herself that way.
    Similarly, a young person might refer to a guy in his 50’s as an “old man”… but he might not view himself as an old man.
    Just to be clear, I’m not disagreeing with you. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong on this topic.
    I’m certainly not a young girl in my mind, but a lot of people have characterized me that way… when it was convenient.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3424. Greg, both those.

    It’s just idle speculation, of course, but I like that theory. I also like Qritiq’s theory it was that political operative screwing Weiner, but the Meghan one makes sense to me.

    I expect you to now ask why the hell Dan would persist in his trolling now. To that I have no answer.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3425. With Nikki I am constantly confused, but with Ethel I’m just disturbed such a young lady in need of help found absolutely none. Except for Mike. Bugs the hell out of me.

    Comment by Dustin — 8/8/2011 @ 3:35 pm

    Can you clarify what you mean when you say she was in need of help?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3426. I’m certainly not a young girl in my mind, but a lot of people have characterized me that way… when it was convenient.

    Comment by Gennette

    I see your point on this one. If I were in your shoes I would interpret it as mainly an effort to say I am immature.

    I don’t think it’s propaganda against Weiner, though. These women have been described well enough that there is no effective illusion about the general age Weiner seemed to prefer was not some kind of pedophilia age.

    That’s not the only disrespect you’ve encountered, Gennette. I went to a commuter campus before going to a bona fide university. If some scrutinized by speech at 21 looking for a sock, they may have interpreted me as much older than I am, too.

    I’m not telling you to avoid saying it’s ridiculous. I don’t think it’s a propaganda campaign worth revisiting a month later.

    I’m glad Qritiq answered my question directly. I’m glad I was mistaken, and gladder still I merely asked instead of accused.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3427. Can you clarify what you mean when you say she was in need of help?

    Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 3:44 pm

    If I encountered a young lady saying some of this stuff (And I realize people differ on what precisely she was saying) I would have been moved to see if she was in need of some serious help.

    Just my intuition, and I hesitate to get too specific about it. Thankfully, I don’t interact with children online. I suspect you’re going to tell me I’m just out of touch with how kids are these days. The only young ladies I’ve known who talked like that at that age had been sexually abused. Small anecdotal sample, but that’s my first thought when a young lady is making a show of sexuality.

    I’m not saying I was worried Weiner was out to actually meet up with her. Honestly, I don’t want to worry about Weiner anymore. He’s paid his price.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3428. This is off topic (and she never acknowledges my posts) but I always wanted to ask Gennette the question that follows.

    Taking your story at face value, did Weiner send you the infamous photo to show you what was possibly out there of him or what the “trolls’ possibly had?

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3429. @Dustin

    I do think it was propaganda used against Weiner, at least by DW. Not that it really matters but it was certainly a tactic they used. DW would refer to me as a “school girl”.
    But you’re right, it isn’t worth revisiting. Not an important topic… to me.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3430. If I encountered a young lady saying some of this stuff (And I realize people differ on what precisely she was saying) I would have been moved to see if she was in need of some serious help.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/8/2011 @ 3:56 pm

    I completely disagree with you. And I don’t believe anything has bothered me more than the way some people have characterized Ethel and the things that she has said.
    First of all, she probably didn’t write the honey mustard as lube tweet. It is very common for a friend to tweet or post a fb status on your profile, saying something really embarrassing.
    Secondly, and this isn’t something that I’m particularly proud of, but my generation tends to use more lewd and offensive language than previous generations. It has become normal. We grew up with South Park and Family Guy. Our humor is crude.
    If she needs help then the majority of the people in my generation need help.
    Ethel is a bright girl with a good head on her shoulders. I don’t think she’s in need of any serious help.
    I think as people get older they don’t understand younger people as well as they think they do.
    But this is just my opinion.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3431. Taking your story at face value, did Weiner send you the infamous photo to show you what was possibly out there of him or what the “trolls’ possibly had?

    Comment by Noodles — 8/8/2011 @ 3:57 pm

    Thats an interesting theory that I’ve never heard before, but I really don’t know.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3432. First of all, she probably didn’t write the honey mustard as lube tweet.

    She never removed it, so I have doubted that explanation.

    That wasn’t the only one.

    Regardless, not I’m not saying I know for sure anything about what she was doing. I’m not mischaracterizing it. I’m saying it’s disturbing.

    You acknowledge this in your theory that someone was posting disturbingly sexual stuff with her device in order to embarrass her.

    It has become normal. We grew up with South Park and Family Guy. Our humor is crude.

    I grew up with South Park too and I’ve got some year on ya :). The only people I know who said that stuff did actually need help, and I recall some people didn’t realize that at the time.

    I think as people get older they don’t understand younger people as well as they think they do.

    Of course. That’s what I expect you’d say, and I’m not saying you’re wrong.

    I avoid this topic because at this point Ethel’s family has had a chance to look into it. What they say to the press doesn’t matter as much as their awareness of it. Hopefully you are 100% right, Gennette, and they have determined it’s her slimeball jealous boyfriend or something.

    It’s not Ethel I’m talking about, though. Weiner in particular … did he somehow know this crude young language? I find it disappointing that it raised very few alarms with anybody. Maybe this is just a sign of what’s happening to our society.

    I do think it’s unfortunate for the discussion to move in this discussion, so my apologies for pushing it that way.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3433. Ugh. Typos.

    I’m saying that the mere possibility Ethel was saying some of that is disturbing enough that I wonder why no one was alarmed by it.

    That there is an innocent explanation doesn’t mean someone shouldn’t have been alarmed by it, IMO.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3434. Firstly, thank you for answering me Gennette. But I don’t understand how you wouldn’t really know. I’m asking if you had been talking about something along those lines and he sent that so you could see what was out there.

    We know he was talking to Ginger about possible fallout and it would seem you were a lot more in the know of all the “troll” happenings that were going on.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3435. Re 3481 from Dustin:

    Just my intuition, and I hesitate to get too specific about it…. The only young ladies I’ve known who talked like that at that age had been sexually abused. Small anecdotal sample, but that’s my first thought when a young lady is making a show of sexuality.

    Jesus, Dustin. Just …don’t.

    Joe (c2ee66)

  3436. Campaign? What Campaign? If he’s imminently electable in NY than he will be elected. Trust me he has every resource at his fingertips. I don’t see Patterico shouting from any lampposts, this is mostly on a ridiculous 3,000+ comment thread that most people in their right mind would never read if they had not been following it from the beginning or were involved. You have just inexplicably put way to much import on anyones desire to take down Weiner’s future chances. With everything else going on at the moment he’s yesterday’s piddle pad.
    In fact the only one I see making nice neat campaign packages is you.
    AW did indeed tweet a picture of his illustrious congressional package to a young woman “GC”, Pat and KOAM had nothing to do with that.
    But he was having online interactions with a young girl Ethyl. 17.
    Genette you are a young woman. Be proud of that. Time flies. For the record you have always sounded like an intelligent woman. Old or young.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3437. @Noodles

    I think I’ve said multiple times that I hadn’t even been talking to him that day, which is why when I saw the tweet I was sure it was fake.
    Furthermore, I didn’t know for sure that he had sent it to me until the day of his press conference when he apologized and he didn’t explain to me why he had sent it.

    He never mentioned anything to me about trolls having something on him. When we discussed Nikki he said that someone had been bragging about having dirt on him but he made it seem like they were full of crap.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3438. Genette you are a young woman. Be proud of that. Time flies. For the record you have always sounded like an intelligent woman. Old or young.

    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 8/8/2011 @ 4:26 pm

    No problem at all with being a young woman. There’s a big difference (to me) between being called a young woman and being called a young girl.
    Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3439. Jesus, Dustin. Just …don’t.

    Comment by Joe — 8/8/2011 @ 4:22 pm

    I am only trying to explain why someone would be concerned with the youth of these people. That’s the point that was criticized, and I think it’s obviously quite relevant.

    I think most of us would say the exact same thing if Weiner’s politics were reversed. It wasn’t political propaganda at all. Perhaps Gennette is right, and this is just sincere concern borne of how out of touch we are (or perhaps it’s sincere concern for the degraded state of our values, etc etc).

    But it is sincere concern, and it relates directly to the fact we’re talking about a young girl.

    If you disagree with me, that’s cool, though I’d appreciate more of an explanation. Perhaps you’re like me and just think this is a fruitless thing for Qritiq to bring up, but my reaction is specifically related to that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3440. Thanks again Gennette! Why he sent the picture to you has always bothered me when compared to the facts that surround it.

    If what you say is true he probably did mean to send it to Ginger (which I think was your theory originally) either to do what I was just saying or because, well, she is a porn star and he is Anthony Weiner.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3441. Andreis Brehvik was motivated by Islam[Which I don’t consider a religion].

    On topic, Anthony Weiner can get a job as Bawney Fwank’s second in command.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  3442. the weiner downgrade
    like Big Zero, wagging
    weenie not his fault

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3443. huma baby bump
    no return on deposit
    baby batter blues

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3444. (which I think was your theory originally)

    I probably shouldn’t attempt to speak for her, but some local rag interviewed her, suggested this possibility, and then attributed it to Gennette because she said it was possible.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3445. we’re all God’s chillun
    but gotta say THAT will be
    one ugly baby

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3446. but what if it looks like Hillary?

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3447. huma baby bump

    Jeez, I forgot all about that.

    I hate this side of this story. It’s like a Maury Povich show, and I’m just totally out of my depth.

    Poor Huma. She didn’t even get to reveal her pregnancy. It was leaked. Of all the things to incorporate into the tabloid atmosphere…

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3448. daleyrocks –

    I don’t recall ever telling Pat he shouldn’t look into certain people. I’ve been telling him quite the opposite in fact.

    Did you just tell a lie?

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3449. If what you say is true he probably did mean to send it to Ginger (which I think was your theory originally)

    Comment by Noodles — 8/8/2011 @ 4:36 pm

    Dustin is correct about this. I didn’t say this. That asshole Reuven Fenton, who I didn’t realize was a Post reporter, suggested it and I said that it was possible and then he wrote it as though it was my theory.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3450. Thanks again Gennette and Dustin.

    There is so much info out there (mostly meaningless) that it gets confusing even for someone following it all. I’ll admit that I just try to keep the basic story straight on a lot of this.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3451. Thanks to those, as usual, for their respect and comments.

    First, no problem with the “goat” thing. Mike is fine. If goat is said now and then,oh well. No insult there.
    On another note, I can vouch for Genette’s statement, “When we discussed Nikki he said that someone had been bragging about having dirt on him but he made it seem like they were full of crap.” I saw the DM’s and they were legit.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3452. Too bad we can’t have a Weinergate conference. Gennette, Mike, Ginger, Pat, Lee maybe?, Ace, etc. all fly to Vegas and put everything they have on the table and discuss all the events. I will pitch in if Pat starts a pay pal for this!

    Idk if anything new would come out of it but in my mind it would all work out! hahaha =]

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3453. Re: 3489
    Re 3481 from Dustin:

    Just my intuition, and I hesitate to get too specific about it…. The only young ladies I’ve known who talked like that at that age had been sexually abused. Small anecdotal sample, but that’s my first thought when a young lady is making a show of sexuality.

    Jesus, Dustin. Just …don’t.

    Re: your comment on 3493…
    In posting the above, I wasn’t referring to anything from your post, other than what I quoted above.

    It was creepy.

    A middle-aged male stranger commenting on that kind of thing concerning a real person in high school is too disconcerting. You could have just made a vague allusion to it if you found it essential but, come on. Too much.

    Joe (9d8230)

  3454. “I don’t recall ever telling Pat he shouldn’t look into certain people. I’ve been telling him quite the opposite in fact.”

    qritiq – Was that not something you tweeted him? If not, my mistake.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3455. “but what if it looks like Hillary?”

    Colonel – Better than Janet Reno.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3456. qritiq – Does this start to ring any bells?

    @Patterico Patterico
    @qritiq You wrote something that resembled a threatening email I got. @danriehl @rsmccain @andrewbreitbart @filmladd @rwrenfrew

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3457. Noodles—I’m up for the Vegas thing, but we’d make 4000 comments and it would be Monday on the Red Eye,with nothing accomplished.

    A Skype conference would be great. And those who dont want ID’s known can wear black hoods….

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  3458. Found it – No lie on my part, sorry.

    @qritiq qritiq
    oh I don’t think you want to start harassing GC again. might not be prudent. nope. might not be prudent at all.
    30 Jul via web

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3459. Joe,

    In case you didn’t see my post the other day — any chance you could put up more of Patriot’s early tweets — from where you left off on 01/07 through 01/11?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3460. Mike, couldn’t they wear something less scary than black hoods!!? =/ lol

    Skype or Stickam conference would be fantastic though.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3461. #3502
    I was just about to post that I thought perhaps you are being misunderstood and that you were just sticking up for a fellow woman in your tweet to Patterico and your recent blog post. I was then going to say that while noble, I think Gennette has been doing a stellar job of that herself with much aplomb and grace. She comes here of her own accord and does very well with the “big” cats and dogs and ON TOP of that no one is attacking her. In my form of feminism I say bravo and have it it. I don’t think a woman (young or old) needs someone else attacking anyone questioning her. My opinion is she has earned the right in spades not to have her hand held. Especially because she is not “A young girl”
    (Please know that is a compliment Gennette)
    Conversely. If any 45 yr old man was chatting up my 17 yr old daughter they better be prepared for an ManOHNo Blahnik I have a stiletto up my arse moment. Ha come to think of it that would’ve been my reaction as a 17 yr old girl too.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3462. A middle-aged male stranger commenting on that kind of thing concerning a real person in high school is too disconcerting. You could have just made a vague allusion to it if you found it essential but, come on. Too much.

    Comment by Joe — 8/8/2011 @ 5:13 pm

    I’m middle age?

    Sorry, Joe. I disagree. What’s disconcerting is how many people did not wonder if Ethel needed help. Only person who sincerely seemed concerned about the welfare of these people was Mike.

    If you’re disconcerted by polite and honest tone with a sad aspect of our world, that has nothing to do with me. The strong possibility Ethel was actually tweeting that stuff suggests she has some kind of issue, and it is damn disappointing that some of the adults in contact with her did not attempt to help her.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3463. #3512
    Thanks couldn’t find it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3464. Joe, one point I’m making is that someone like Weiner was in a paranoid position with regard to these situations because he had something to hide.

    When this kind of issue reared its head, Weiner had to avert his eye (unfollow) and ignore the prospects.

    He should be a leader, but instead he’s worried about this skeleton in his closer.

    What’s creepy to Joe is that I find this to be unfortunate because I think kids who say stuff like that need adults to tell them that’s wrong, and if it’s disturbing enough, try to get adults to help.

    The young women in my family would never say something like this. I’m not ‘out of touch’. They really wouldn’t. If they did, they should get guidance.

    Joe insinuates something about my comment that I don’t appreciate. There’s something odd and stupid out our culture these days, where every normal man who shows interest in the welfare of a child is considered ‘disturbing’ while the real perverts shouldn’t be discussed too loudly.

    It’s like an Oprah program.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3465. daleyrocks –

    You obviously are lying, because riddle me this:

    1. What does that have to do with Pat?
    2. What does that have to do with Pat looking into certain people?

    Stop your lying and if you can’t speak the truth about me then don’t speak about me.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3466. Re: 3511

    To Mike and Noodles,

    That Vegas conference should have Wolfe, John Reid and the extremely talkative Nikki’s Mother woman instead.

    If she wanted to sell her story, the woman playing “Nikki’s Mom” would clean up.

    Joe (9d8230)

  3467. See, why in the hell is Qritiq that angry with Daleyrocks? He already provided the quote. He’s obviously not lying.

    When Patterico asked Qritiq who she was talking to, the context made it pretty likely she was talking to him. Qritiq later blogged about Patterico and left him out of the tweet about it too.

    Patterico explained already why that looks exactly like a prior demand for Patterico to stop looking into Gennette. Qritiq claims she has never heard of these threats from Alicia Pain despite her having contributed to threads on that topic.

    It’s just unnecessary to get this hostile. Daleyrock’s reading of Qritiq’s ‘leave Gennette alone or else’ warning is 100% honest.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3468. Blackburnsghost, well said. I’ve disagreed with Gennette and she’s handled it without much problem at all, I think. That’s definitely a better approach for her than 99% of women in her shoes would take.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3469. 3518

    To Dustin,

    Don’t mischaracterize what I said by reframing it.

    What’s creepy to Joe is that I find this to be unfortunate because I think kids who say stuff…

    I didn’t say or think that at all. Don’t project your ‘stuff’ onto me.

    You and I disagree about the acceptability of your speculating, at some length about potential sexual abuse of a real person in a public forum. Period. No more, no less.

    Joe (9d8230)

  3470. daley,

    I am willing to accept qritiq’s statement that she wasn’t referring to me with that.

    qritiq,

    You invite abuse by being flip and snarky about things that don’t call for a flippant and snarky attitude. Your style gets you misunderstood and gets you into a lot of unnecessary fights (after which you hilariously demand apologies). Just some free advice; no need to thank me!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3471. “Don’t speak about me”… wasn’t that a hit for the Supremes?

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3472. “Stop your lying and if you can’t speak the truth about me then don’t speak about me.” — qritiq

    “but when someone tries to get me to stop talking I think it’s important to note.” — qritiq

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3473. A middle-aged male stranger commenting on that kind of thing concerning a real person in high school is too disconcerting. You could have just made a vague allusion to it if you found it essential but, come on. Too much.

    Comment by Joe — 8/8/2011 @ 5:13 pm

    Joe, you are referring to my age and sex and calling me creepy. Period.

    Don’t mischaracterize what I said by reframing it.

    I didn’t. You did in fact personally attack me on the basis of my age and sex and call my creepy.

    I was explaining to Qritiq why specifically I care that Ethel is a young girl. The reason is that the possibility she braodcast such hypersexual messages is more worrisome the younger she is.

    I did not speculate at length about her abuse at all! You’re way out of line.

    You and I disagree about the acceptability of your speculating, at some length about potential sexual abuse of a real person in a public forum.

    I care that you called me creepy on the basis of my age and sex, and now I care that you’re pretending you didn’t do that.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3474. You could have just made a vague allusion to it if you found it essential but, come on. Too much.

    Comment by Joe — 8/8/2011 @ 5:13 pm

    I still don’t know what he’s even referring to.

    At what point did I go beyond a vague comment about it?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3475. A month after this fiasco and we’re still talking about it.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  3476. Can’t we all just get along?
    This thread make me want Ron’s Bong
    Colonel Haiku you true boo

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3477. Can’t we all just get along?

    I guess not. I don’t see the need for such personal or angry attacks.

    It’s pointless and frankly quite boring.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3478. #3529
    True 100% Bollix . But coming up on this election, anyone who does not know about past performances of their opposing field and the conditions of said field are running behind the ambulance. I’ve learned a great deal here.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3479. “I am willing to accept qritiq’s statement that she wasn’t referring to me with that.”

    Patterico – That’s fine with me since her tweet was addressed to you and nobody else.

    I see no reason for her to claim I was lying in #3519 based on the above though, but that’s her style. She likes to claims she did not really say the things she said and call others liars just to stir sh*t up. Does not fly with me. We don’t need any more dishonest lefties on the thread.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3480. “Stop your lying and if you can’t speak the truth about me then don’t speak about me.” — qritiq

    Patterico – She is obviously uncomfortable about light being shined back on her. Heat/Kitchen and all that. Hmmmmm.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3481. She likes to claims she did not really say the things she said and call others liars just to stir sh*t up.

    She knew what you were talking about, Daley. Calling you a liar was totally uncalled for. If she wanted to explain she didn’t mean Patterico, she could have said so a long time ago when she was asked point blank.

    I still think she and Joe offer very interesting insights when they aren’t attacking people. They are practically interchangeable (it was Joe I was referring to when I asked Qritiq if she commented under another name).

    Both have more to offer than this.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3482. I bet qritiq is now going to write another blog article about this and come back here with a link. And also twitter the link to others.

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3483. Meanwhile, Gennette has written me to say that she is showing the DMs to Mike Stack but not to me. I guess I hurt her feelings by . . . not groveling or something.

    She acts quite a bit like Dan Wolfe. Toe the line and she’ll dole out the tidbits. Otherwise, you and your desire to solve who has been menacing your family can go hang.

    I am more suspicious of her than ever.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3484. Given her refusal to participate in video chats, just like John Reid did, and her persistent in-your-face refusal to help me figure out who menaced me (ostensibly on her behalf), I have to wonder whether the person commenting here is even the real Gennette Cordova.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3485. And also twitter the link to others.

    Comment by jmel44 — 8/8/2011 @ 8:01 pm

    I assume you’re saying she doesn’t twitter the link to the subject she attacks? I’ve noticed that too.

    I also noticed she studiously ignored a request for what she meant with her ‘warning’. Even now, Patterico is just giving her the benefit of the doubt. She didn’t directly say much.

    Just seems unnecessary. We should be able to get along fine even if we’re not on the same page on everything. Trying to shield Gennette is not necessary.

    Toe the line and she’ll dole out the tidbits.

    DRJ: 1
    Dustin: 0

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3486. Her behavior is little different from Dan Wolfe, as far as I can tell. And Dan Wolfe is a fraud.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3487. “She knew what you were talking about, Daley. Calling you a liar was totally uncalled for.”

    Dustin – I know she did. It is clear she is not a nice person. I was going to say she may bl*w me, but that would not be nice and this is a family blog.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3488. I assume you’re saying she doesn’t twitter the link to the subject she attacks? I’ve noticed that too.

    Yes.

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3489. Why did she have Weiner’s number?

    Why refuse the video chat?

    Why spent a month doing nothing but talk to Nikki?

    Why give Weiner an alibi for the underage girl angle?

    Why refuse to provide evidence that supposedly supports the alibi for Weiner?

    Why persistently play down the clear evidence of Weiner’s creepy talking to underaged girls?

    How does a very intelligent person not end up on the Dean’s list?

    By the way, since I am not convinced “Gennette” is really the person commenting here, I am moderating her comments. Any comment that I don’t find productive, will not be approved.

    Hint: I don’t think I have ever seen a productive comment from her yet.

    Hey, Gennette. That comment you just left? You can see it, but nobody else can.

    I have absolutely no reason to approve your comments since I am certain that having them appear won’t help you.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3490. Well, on this one, if Gennette is a sock-fraud, I was 100% fooled. And a little freaked.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3491. If it’s really Gennette, she won’t mind being moderated. She doesn’t care what we think of her, you know.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3492. If anyone has gotten the impression that I have completely lost patience with anyone who won’t cooperate with me, that impression would be correct.

    Such behavior is HIGHLY suspicious and deserves to be treated as such.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3493. I’ll note also a very obvious point: this appears to be a naked attempt to try to drive a wedge between Mike Stack and myself. The two people who have the biggest incentive to get to the bottom of who menaced us, ostensibly on her behalf.

    If that isn’t interesting, I don’t know what is.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3494. Such behavior is HIGHLY suspicious and deserves to be treated as such.

    Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 8:20 pm

    I’ve got plenty of not sweet things to say about Gennette, but it’s not productive. And she’s an adult and I don’t want to judge her or worry about her business.

    The only thing I’ve asked of her is to stop asking ‘what’s in it for me?’ when she’s able to help someone in need.

    I’d mostly speculate she was full of crap on this particular Weiner DM, rather than anything more complex.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3495. Could be, Dustin. Could be.

    Why she is full of crap is anyone’s guess. I have often thought it is because she flirted with Weiner and is thus desperate to portray Nikki as unreliable, and any information shared from the Reids as suspect — so that the evidence that she flirted behind her boyfriend’s back is undercut.

    And that may be all it is.

    Then again, there could be more.

    I don’t know. But I am not the only one here who smells a rat in terms of her intelligence as contrasted with her academic performance. If Simon Jester is around, perhaps he can weigh in with his thoughts.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3496. But I am not the only one here who smells a rat in terms of her intelligence as contrasted with her academic performance.

    I never read this kind of thing well.

    I do know that it’s a realistic possibility someone would actually go through the effort of posing as someone, earnestly acting like a nice and credible version of them, in this incredibly weird saga.

    A lot of the things Ron is lying about are actually happening in a slightly less absurd manner. Perhaps this is another example of that.

    If that’s happening, how is it Gennette Cordova doesn’t know about it? Or would she actually let someone ‘handle this’ for her? I’m linking her name to this so that it shows up more prominently if she searches for her name.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3497. Just a little note regarding “Gennette.”

    1. She attended Western Washington University.

    2. She transferred to Whatcom Community College because of financial problems.

    Folks interested can look up what the *yearly* tuition costs between the two institutions are…and it will raise some questions.

    Honestly, I don’t think the person posting here as “Gennette” is a 21 or 22 year old community college student. I also am suspicious of psychological projection from folks on the Left. Remember how “Gennette” claimed that she could “tell” “Nikki” was a ringer based on how she wrote?

    Um. “Gennette” doesn’t write like many students of my acquaintance. And it is ironic that “Gennette” would bring up that topic, isn’t it?

    The thing that seals it for me is this refusal of a video chat to someone who is an officer of the Court in Southern California. She considered that “weird,” unlike the tweets from Anthony Weiner.

    I have no idea what any of this means, of course.

    Simon Jester (51bacd)

  3498. That’s a good point. The request for a video chat from me is “weird” but the Weinertweet was really no big deal, as I recall.

    I can’t tell you how many excuses John Reid and Dan Wolfe gave me for not talking to me on the phone or Skype. But they would talk about how they intended to. “Gennette” talked about how she was willing to have a video chat with me — but needed to wash her hair to look presentable. Of course, all along I guess she thought it was “weird” and never really intended to do it, even as she posed as someone willing to consider it.

    Shades of Dan Wolfe.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3499. She honestly claimed she needed to wash her hair before a video chat with you? Wow.

    Simon Jester (51bacd)

  3500. Maybe she always let someone “handle this” for her.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3501. I just don’t get the motive for all of this? But then, it is always the cover-up that gets them, isn’t it?

    I wonder what the real Gennette Cordova is up to right now?

    Simon Jester (51bacd)

  3502. It *could* be “real Gennette” who is trying to drive a wedge between me and Stack, and refusing to show me evidence that would supposedly help her case. I don’t want to give the impression I have discounted that possibility.

    Whoever it is — “real Gennette” or fake — is acting like a political operative. Is this person actually such an operative? I don’t know.

    I remain open to all possibilities.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3503. I never trusted her act. Not once.

    JD (318f81)

  3504. What do you mean, JD?

    Do you mean you don’t think this is real Gennette?

    Or do you mean you think it is — but that she has said a lot of things that aren’t true?

    Interested in your opinion.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3505. She considered that “weird,” unlike the tweets from Anthony Weiner.

    heh

    It would be interesting to have a phone conversation with her and then ask a detail about her life. “Who taught you Algebra II in high school?”

    I just don’t get the motive for all of this?

    I’m trying to imagine what would be had Ron, Neal, Gennette, and JR9/DW just shut up a month ago. Who has benefited from this? It’s unclear, so I suspect these folks are not all affiliated with eachother, and there’s a lot of mistakes being made. I wonder if the motive is simply to try to get this mess under control.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3506. I never trusted her act. Not once.

    Comment by JD

    I’m curious too (about Patterico’s question about what you mean).

    I bought that she was Gennette. I can’t say I’ve changed my mind.

    I have privately discussed her with a couple of you to say I’m pretty sure she’s hiding something related to her conduct with Weiner, and that I find that topic irrelevant/can of worms.

    I also was wondering if Alicia Pain’s threats were meant to shine a spotlight on Gennette, rather than actually help her.

    Of course, Ginger Lee’s comments are very interesting:

    According to TMZ.com, however, at the same time that Weiner was denying any direct contact with Lee, he was corresponding with her to offer advice on how to manage the scandal.

    “Do you need to talk to a professional PR type person to give u advice?” he asked on June 2. “I can have someone on my team call.”

    “The key is to have a short, thought out statement that tackles the top line questions and then refer people back to it,” he said. “Have a couple of iterations of: ‘This is silly. Like so many others, I follow Rep. Weiner on Twitter. I don’t know him and have never met him. He briefly followed me and sent me a dm saying thank you for the follow. That’s it.'”

    Lee said on Wednesday that as the scandal grew, she emailed Weiner for advice, but wasn’t comfortable with the statement he asked her to give to the media denying that they were in contact.

    (Huffpo)

    Though I can’t find it, I specifically remember her complaining about comments being left in her name that were not her own.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3507. Patterico – I don’t think she’s said anything on these threads that was not available through public sources. Others provided the tweets where she first talked to Nikki about AW, not Gennette.

    Her inability or unwillingness to provide information lends in the direction of her not being Gennette. It would be interesting to hear what, if anything conversations with Mike bring out.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3508. Clarifying 3561 – She can’t give any info because she does not have any.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3509. She has played cute, coy, innocent, above the fray since Day 1, and I never bought it. She would yammer on and on about everything except her role in the matter, and people bought into it, stupidly. There has never been an explanation as to why she would have a married congresscritter’s phone number. She has never spoken to why she might get a Weinertweet out of the blue. She has never discussed how he was a nasty perv with all of the other similarly situated ho’s online, but not her. She lied about not having contact with Weiner after the Weinertweet by claiming a distinction between him and his office, who apparently did attempt to coordinate the message.

    In short, I don’t believe her, or the person acting on behalf of her.

    JD (318f81)

  3510. Whoever it is, doesn’t care what we think of her!

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3511. “Whoever it is, doesn’t care what we think of her!”

    Remember, she’s only here for ONE REASON!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3512. Part of me believes it’s a young woman because “I don’t care what you think of me, you hacks who aren’t real journalists!” coupled with 5000 comments spinning and justifying and whining about being mistreated — it does sound like someone who is immature.

    On the other hand, much of what Simon Jester pointed out just doesn’t square with reality.

    A fascinating puzzle.

    I’m willing to believe it’s a young woman who, for all the reasons JD pointed out, is so arrogant she feels she can get away with a load of obvious horseshit. I’m willing to believe it’s what it seems to be on its face: someone who flirted with Weiner, got the Weinertweet because Weiner thought she’d like it, and has been spinning madly ever since — desperately trying to discredit “Nikki” — who had the evidence of her flirtation.

    That’s what makes the most sense to me.

    Pretty soon, when I get a little time, I’ll have to make good on my promise to JohnReid9 and release the rest of that stuff. Maybe then GC’s behavior will make more sense to everyone.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3513. Or, no doubt, if her hair is freshly washed or not.

    Simon Jester (51bacd)

  3514. Ace discusses motivation and possibilities for the Betty and Veronica socks. Betty being Nikki Reid.

    The current arc reminded me of that discussion.

    One of the commenters observes that this shows an amazing capability for turning a scandal harmful to a democrat into a mess no one can understand, and also potentially harmful to ‘our side’.

    For Nikki, I think the motive was to sting Breitbart into buying a story that isn’t true about Weiner. I’m not sure if the current Dan is the same as the old one. Any effort to create FUD (dear uncertainty and doubt) related to any aspect of this has been taken desperately since then.

    What has Gennette’s purpose here been? I’m not seeing how her search for Nikki has hampered anything.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3515. For Nikki, I think the motive was to sting Breitbart into buying a story that isn’t true about Weiner.

    I disagree. It may become more clear when I lay out all the facts showing Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9. I believe the efforts by “Nikki” to smear Breitbart were part of a premeditated plan to separate Dan Wolfe and the Reids and make people believe they could not be the same person. Making it more credible when JohnReid9 suddenly “realized” that Weiner had been contacting his daughter.

    I believe Dan Wolfe planned to contact Breitbart all along, and hates Lee Stranahan because Lee derailed that plan. The idea was to set up the Reids as fans of Weiner and opponents or Breitbart, while Wolfe was a Weiner opponent who WENT to Breitbart.

    Then the Big Reveal was to be that JohnReid9 had uncovered Nikki’s DMs with Weiner thanks to Breitbart’s work in publicizing Wolfe’s finds.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3516. Wow.

    Guess what lurking Twitter account just leapt into action to join forces with Gennette in questioning me on hosting John Reid, etc.

    http://twitter.com/#!/stefaniesez

    Tweets JUST started.

    By the way, there has been a “stef” at Neal’s blog posts pushing the “Patrick Frey is behind the Reids” line. I was looking at Gennette’s followers JUST TONIGHT and noticed the “stefaniesez” account, and the fact that no tweets had come out of that account.

    Now, all of a sudden, they are — and they are coming after me.

    This is all a setup.

    And Gennette may be part of it.

    Fascinating.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3517. The “stefaniesez” account that is trading “Patrick Frey is behind all this” tweets with Gennette?

    It has four followers.

    One is Neal.

    Don’t bother unfollowing, Neal. I already got the screenshot.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3518. For Nikki, I think the motive was to sting Breitbart into buying a story that isn’t true about Weiner.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/8/2011 @ 9:41 pm

    When did this attempt to “sting Breitbart into buying a story” take place?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3519. Look at Stef’s followers

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3520. When did this attempt to “sting Breitbart into buying a story” take place?

    Comment by Greg — 8/8/2011 @ 10:05 pm

    It didn’t, as far as I know.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3521. Is qritiq another follower?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3522. She is also GLUED to this comments section. I mentioned looking at her tweets just six minutes ago and she is already tweeting about it.

    Oh, and qritiq, who also claims to have secret evidence that she won’t let me see because she doesn’t like how I treated her, is now DM’ing with Gennette.

    So who refuses to help me? Dan Wolfe. Gennette. qritiq.

    And now we have a Neal puppet jumping in.

    Again: I *know* why I am interested in this. Why are all these people? If they’re not involved?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3523. Greg, if my theory were correct, they were still working on their plan when Weiner derailed the whole thing with his photo tweet to Gennette.

    I’m not wedded to the theory, though. I honestly am pretty lost as far as the actions of John Reid et al goes.

    It’s just too much that Gennette could prove that Weiner knew Nikki was fake, but doesn’t.

    This is the same stef that promised revenge against the right for getting Weiner? Obviously it is.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3524. I have this very weird feeling something bizarre is going to happen tonight. It feels like June 30 all over again.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3525. This is likely the stef who left all the weird and very personal comments about me at Neal’s blogs. It feels like imdw, actually.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3526. Check out the comments by stef at this Neal post.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3527. Yes, Stef clearly hates your guts.

    Clearly an obsessed commenter here. imdw is a solid guess. Same degree of venom and general writing ability, too.

    The only question I have is if Stef believes what she’s saying.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3528. The interesting question for me is: is Gennette working with these people? Or are they just seizing on the crazy stuff she is saying?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3529. Dustin:

    stef could be Neal himself, too.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3530. When did this attempt to “sting Breitbart into buying a story” take place?

    Nikki told Tommy Christopher that Breitbart was trying to get her to lie.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3531. So what was the deal with the “banning” at DK, Patterico?

    And I hope your feeling is wrong about something weird happening tonight.

    Simon Jester (51bacd)

  3532. Nikki told Tommy Christopher that Breitbart was trying to get her to lie.

    Comment by Patterico —

    Right, but they never brought it to Breitbart (AFAIK).

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3533. The interesting question for me is: is Gennette working with these people? Or are they just seizing on the crazy stuff she is saying?

    Gennette was also tweeting qritiq. Maybe one of gritiq’s followers seized on it?

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3534. Dustin:

    Correct. I don’t think they were really going to sting Breitbart. They just wanted to be on record as against Breitbart, because that was part of Wolfe/Reid’s plan to make Reid’s Big Reveal seem credible.

    What is hilarious is that Gennette is off accusing me of being obsessed with the underage girl angle, while I am here talking about how Wolfe and Reid are the same person, which any sane person would realize casts doubt on the underage girl angle. But for Gennette it’s not really about the facts. It’s all about her. I was mean to her, she thinks, and so she is going to try to say Bad Things about me whether they make sense or not.

    The idea that her problems are not the only problems in the world? Well, that takes maturity, right?

    Score one for her being a young woman after all.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3535. What is hilarious is that Gennette is off accusing me of being obsessed with the underage girl angle, while I am here talking about how Wolfe and Reid are the same person, which any sane person would realize casts doubt on the underage girl angle.

    Yes, that is incredibly annoying.

    I suspect this indicates there’s something sexual in the comments regarding Nikki that haven’t yet been revealed.

    I still don’t see how Gennette was so certain Nikki was fake. How did that happen?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3536. Despite all this, I’m feeling good. We’re making progress. I believe we are going to get the bad guys and send them to prison. There was some progress on that front today.

    Were I one of the bad guys, I would be nervous right about now.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3537. I leave to watch American Pickers and make a silver purchase and *boom this place is jumping. My mind would be blown if Gennette is not the real one. I would think it would be more credible if she was letting someone run her handles (if she was indeed fake) because if this had happened to me I would have went to Big Government or somewhere to post my own story to stop the fakery.

    I hate to say this, as today was the first time Gennette actually responded to me, but I still don’t believe her. For one she was anti-trolling/being an operative/or whatever you want to call it and has never credibly explained why. The other part I think she is lying about is the obvious one.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3538. Good to hear about the progress Patterico @ 3590!

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3539. On another note, I can vouch for Genette’s statement, “When we discussed Nikki he said that someone had been bragging about having dirt on him but he made it seem like they were full of crap.” I saw the DM’s and they were legit.

    Comment by goatsred — 8/8/2011 @ 4:59 pm

    I think this is what Gennette is referring to on twitter when she says Mike can back up her saying Weiner knows that Nikki is fake.

    That could mean a lot of things.

    That could mean Weiner sent something dirty, then someone bragged that Weiner messed up, and then Weiner knew that Nikki was fake post-sting.

    Or it could mean somehow Weiner knew for sure Nikki was fake, somehow beyond the ‘it’s just common sense’ argument. At least I’d hope he’s not so reckless as to treat a kid like that on such a thin rationale. That could have been bad.

    It feels like there’s something delicate being hidden by this method of proof. I am not convinced Ms Cordova is either being paid or is some kind of faker posing as Cordova (I guess no one is actually saying they are sure that’s the case).

    I’m not really worried about it, anyway. I wanted everything Cordova had on this story, just because someone out there was threatening people to stay away from it. Maybe however Weiner learned Nikki was fake would implicate whoever sent the threats? I don’t know. It’s foolish to even speculate. A shame this hasn’t gone more smoothly, and there is so very little trust.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3540. Ron was abnormally quiet today. Maybe he’s listening to legal advice.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3541. A Seat Over There
    First To Turn State’s Evidence
    This Is Not A Game

    lol idk if that works but I had to give it a shot.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3542. Ron was abnormally quiet today. Maybe he’s listening to legal advice.
    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/8/2011 @ 11:30 pm

    One comment here (in spam), dozens of tweets on his original Twitter now that he realized he wasn’t hacked. He cleared his cache and it magically started working again, lol. Not quiet at all. Still a babbling idiot however.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3543. Stashiu3 – But Ron was not talking about Weinergate and Patterico for the most part, which was what I meant. He got hung up on O’Keefe for a while, which is another Brad, Brett, Neal theme.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3544. True enough. I don’t think he’s consulting an attorney though. He’s smarter than everyone around him don’t ya know? 😉

    Besides, any lawyer is probably a sock/hacker.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3545. I had been working on a post comparing Dan Wolfe to the Reids. I have a lot of salient information on the similarities. But I currently see that as a distraction from what really interests me: who threatened me and Mike, ostensibly on behalf of Gennette. I think I will concentrate on that now. No information on John and Nikki Reid for a while. You can thank Gennette.

    If that was her goal, she accomplished it well. If not — well, I gotta look out for my interests and those of my family.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3546. thirty six hunnerd
    now we meet for the first time
    pleasure is all mine

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3547. Oh — I should add: there is one exception to that. I do plan to release the information from John Reid, including the DMs from Weiner to Nikki, and the communications from Gennette where she talks about flirting with Weiner.

    Will try to do that soon, as time permits.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3548. Two are Neal, Pat.

    koam @witier (576b4b)

  3549. Stashiu3 @3598 – LOL!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3550. The amazing thing about stef’s comments summarizing the whole “scandal” is that it sounds like their “plan”.
    They just seem to add a few more wrinkles to the saga, which I will mention only in emails.
    A few glaring ones,however. Great job,stef, and Hi Neal!!

    goatsred (66819b)

  3551. koam @witier – Any idea if qritiq lives in Weiner’s district or is just another zombie lib?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3552. flirting with weiner
    cobra snake for a necktie
    said hey, Bo Diddley!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3553. One thing all this has made clear for me: it is wrong to hold onto DMs that help illuminate the controversy.

    Teaser:

    When he stopped flirting back I admit it was a let down. Lol
    Direct message sent by GNC (@GennetteNicole) to you (@starchild111) on May 17, 8:39 PM.

    I have screenshots of everything so you can see that either 1) the DMs are genuine or 2) someone went to a TON of effort to put on all the timestamps, etc. and make them look genuine.

    For example: click the thumbnail to see the full DM:

    Just need to compile them for the next data dump.

    Oh — and as for Gennette’s alleged certainty that Nikki was a fake all along . . . see her comment above:

    @Jeffeneff
    I sent the email around the time that people were saying that the young JG was behind the Nikki account. In my mind, Nikki had always been fake but knowing that there was a chance that the person I had been conversing with all of this time was a young, unstable (which is how people were characterizing her) woman, made me sort of emotional.

    I thought there was no chance of that, Gennette.

    Gotta keep your story straight!

    If Gennette thought there was a chance Nikki was really an underaged girl . . . how could Weiner be so certain she wasn’t?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3554. Just one more point and then I have to get ready for work:

    I haven’t seen the alleged DMs between Weiner and Gennette. But how incredibly bizarre is it that she would just happen to have screenshots of those DMs — and only those DMs — dating from a time before Weiner ever started talking to Nikki?

    Either they are manufactured, or she has every damned conversation she ever had with Weiner.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3555. And make no mistake: someone who had his personal cell phone number, and was texting him on the day he made his admission, had a lot of conversations with Weiner.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3556. Repeating

    @qritiq qritiq
    oh I don’t think you want to start harassing GC again. might not be prudent. nope. might not be prudent at all.
    30 Jul via web

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3557. Stop trying to silence qritiq, daleyrocks! And lying!

    Just what is the interest of qritiq aka [redacted] in all this anyway? And why devise a new persona for the Weiner thing?

    Odd.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3558. Rising action ends
    Climax coming to long thread
    Show all the cards Pat

    Birdbath Haiku (19803d)

  3559. qritiq has a post where she says she has a sound file that she claims may relate to the identity of Nikki.

    It is password protected and she will not give me the password.

    Apparently, like Gennette, she doesn’t like the way she has been treated by me and my commenters.

    And so the interest I have in protecting my family can go hang.

    I’m not groveling to these people. Instead, I am shining the light on what they’re doing.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3560. My guess is that [redacted] is just a nosy busybody who doesn’t have anything of value. Still, the attitude is eye-opening. And worth noting.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3561. Oh, one last thing, then I really do have to run:

    I have not seen Mike Stack confirm anything of the nature of what Gennette confirmed.

    If he is allowed to quote it all verbatim, then we will have something to evaluate. Not the actual evidence, but something.

    Otherwise, her claim of confirmation is crap.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3562. Patterico – My comments must have been hacked.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3563. Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2011 @ 8:08 am

    /whistles nervously

    The only reason I’m interested in the ‘Weiner knew it all about Nikki’ claim is because Gennette has handled that claim so strangely.

    Gennette has repeatedly acted like these DMs should have already changed my mind. She will reference them to prove how obsessed people are (in a topic I only see a couple of people bringing up). But all I’ve asked for is to see them. That’s the only sane reaction one could have.

    The issue isn’t ‘Did Weiner know Nikki wasn’t a minor?’ It’s ‘why handle those DMs so strangely?’ Resolving the Weiner aspect doesn’t change anything. The idea Qritiq and Stef have raised that we’re a propaganda campaign to ruin Weiner makes absolutely no sense, considering the timing.

    Also bizarre are the repeated attempts to cast folks as obsessed with something they aren’t bringing up. Qritiq and Stef and Joe all seem to want to talk about how young these girls are, in order to condemn that topic and insist it’s propaganda. Yet I’m not seeing that being brought up by the target of the criticism except to debate Qritiq’s point.

    Gennette has admitted she did not know Nikki Reid was a fake. She simply had an intuition. That undermines her claim she can prove what Weiner knew of Nikki. Had he told her something proving Nikki was a fraud, Gennette would have noted that specifically.

    I don’t think Weiner’s knowledge of Nikki’s age is the real matter on these DMs. That’s not what Alicia Pain is trying to hide, and isn’t what Gennette finds problematic to share.

    Perhaps Weiner’s plans regarding how to handle this scandal are what’s motivating the cover up. It seems like something that might come up in an early stage of Gennette and Weiner sharing their concerns over Mike and Dan and Nikki.

    If these DMs were merely Gennette flirting with Weiner, I think the drama surrounding keeping them private is ridiculous.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3564. I disagree. It may become more clear when I lay out all the facts showing Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9. I believe the efforts by “Nikki” to smear Breitbart were part of a premeditated plan to separate Dan Wolfe and the Reids and make people believe they could not be the same person. Making it more credible when JohnReid9 suddenly “realized” that Weiner had been contacting his daughter.

    I believe Dan Wolfe planned to contact Breitbart all along, and hates Lee Stranahan because Lee derailed that plan. The idea was to set up the Reids as fans of Weiner and opponents or Breitbart, while Wolfe was a Weiner opponent who WENT to Breitbart.

    Then the Big Reveal was to be that JohnReid9 had uncovered Nikki’s DMs with Weiner thanks to Breitbart’s work in publicizing Wolfe’s finds.

    Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 9:57 pm

    Patterico,

    Are you saying Wolfe/Reid/Starchild’s ultimate plan, then, was to discredit Weiner while making Breitbart look good?

    Greg (bc8186)

  3565. @Clyde – If Gennette had the DM’s from AW showing he thought Nikki was a fake, it would support both his and her story and it would be in her interest to reveal then. So far crickets.

    If Gennette had the DM’s to support her uncorroborated claim that she lied to Nikki about the nature of her flirting with AW, that it was more innocent than she portrayed it, revealing them would support her claim and make AW out to be less of a sleazebag than he is already viewed. So far crickets.

    Ethel’s name came up early in scandal. Claims by stefaniesez, Joe and qritiq that this is a strange obsession of those looking into who did what in this scandal is horsesh*t and an interesting smokescreen raised to sully the reputations of those involved in getting questions answered. Blowback can be unpredictable.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3566. “Are you saying Wolfe/Reid/Starchild’s ultimate plan, then, was to discredit Weiner while making Breitbart look good?”

    Greg – Don’t understand this train of thought at all.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3567. Dustin, Daley, assuming those messaged to N. from AW are genuine, he is very plainly on his guard, very suspicious, and tests the sock without directly calling the sock out.

    It’s perfectly consistent with him having been warned about the sock, by Gennette or some more general alert.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3568. “Are you saying Wolfe/Reid/Starchild’s ultimate plan, then, was to discredit Weiner while making Breitbart look good?”

    Greg – Don’t understand this train of thought at all.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2011 @ 9:19 am

    That’s how Patterico’s summary, which I quoted in my post, reads to me, i.e., he says “Then the Big Reveal was to be that JohnReid9 had uncovered Nikki’s DMs with Weiner thanks to Breitbart’s work in publicizing Wolfe’s finds.”

    Presumably Nikki’s DMs with Weiner are damning, right? Patterico has implied that a number of times, most explicitly on 7/28/2011 @ 12:17 am, when he wrote about Ron’s confusion-sowing attempts to “to blunt the edge of material I have not yet released, from Anthony Weiner to Nikki Reid.”

    So if the Big Reveal is that Reid is saying, “Yes, I was wrong — here are inappropriate emails between my 17-year-old daughter and a 46-year-old congressman, and Breitbart’s work helped me find them,” that would (a) discredit Weiner and (b) make Breitbart look good.

    Frankly, I was a little surprised Patterico would arrive at this conclusion, which I was asked if I was interpreting his post correctly.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3569. It’s perfectly consistent with him having been warned about the sock, by Gennette or some more general alert.

    Yes.

    Gennette has made a major issue of how Weiner knew Nikki was fake and how that somehow blows up an obsessed with ‘the underage angle’, but … why?

    As you’re saying, it’s not like he was sexting Nikki anyway. I do think it’s damn weird that he would treat a potential kid to a ‘maybe I’ll take you to prom’ hoax, if he was only on his guard. Just seems reckless.

    But I want that pushed aside. This is not the aspect of the DMs that Alicia Pain wants hidden. This is not the aspect Gennette is worrying about.

    Clearly.

    What is the big deal in these DMs that causes people to act like this? If it’s just Gennette flirting with Weiner, so what? Why the big effort? It wouldn’t harm her much, and it wouldn’t harm him any, and it wouldn’t mean anything politically.

    But what if Weiner was trying to put Gennette in touch with someone like Neal (or just a run of the mill law firm) to handle this mess?

    That kind of thing is what got Ginger Lee to break contact with Weiner and hire a lawyer to defend her name against statements someone apparently wanted to make pretending they came from her.

    And Gennette has explained their interest was handling these pesky conservatives trying to show that Weiner’s doing what Weiner was actually doing.

    Anyway, Gennette’s proof that she knew Nikki was fake is her intuition. And it turns out she was right, but to me that is not much.

    Daleyrocks, I have reviewed a lot of Qritiq’s work with your theory in mind she’s a smokescreen. I think your theory is the best explanation. She seems to attack those who most clearly present the facts, and she also presents wild theories without ever trying to show any evidence.

    I have been puzzled as to her hostility and over reactions, but people online sometimes have no social skills.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3570. Frankly, I was a little surprised Patterico would arrive at this conclusion, which I was asked if I was interpreting his post correctly.

    Comment by Greg

    I see what you’re saying.

    I don’t think Patterico was taking it beyond the planned (but long since impossible) point where the right leaning mark (Breitbart or Loesch or whoever) and John Reid met in the middle.

    Endgame? He didn’t mention it. Perhaps because that’s too speculative.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3571. SarahW @3621 – That has been obvious for quite some time and also in the interactions with Ron.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3572. Greg – With respect to making Breitbart look good, the only folks alleging Breitbart involvement were the left at the beginning who insisted he was involved before Weiner admitted he was not hacked. Tommy Christopher cleared Breitbart in print, much to the chagrin of the left.

    Early on there was the talk that Veronica had some spicy material she offered goatsred to pass on to Breitbart, which turned out to be false. I also believe that Breitbart said they were offered suspicious material earlier on which they did not bite.

    There was no Breitbart hacking wet dream for the left that was avoided to make him look good.

    I’m at a loss for what your looking good refers too with respect to Breitbart.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


  3573. I’m at a loss for what your looking good refers too with respect to Breitbart.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2011 @ 10:14 am

    Maybe ask Patterico?

    Originally, he wrote:

    “The idea was to set up the Reids as fans of Weiner and opponents [of] Breitbart, while Wolfe was a Weiner opponent who WENT to Breitbart. Then the Big Reveal was to be that JohnReid9 had uncovered Nikki’s DMs with Weiner thanks to Breitbart’s work in publicizing Wolfe’s finds.”

    (I am assuming he meant to write “of” when he wrote “or” and have made that correction above, as indicated in brackets.)

    If “thanks” are being given to Breitbart’s work, because that work ultimately led to finding inappropriate conversations between Nikki/Weiner, that is a win for Breitbart.

    Greg (bc8186)

  3574. “Maybe ask Patterico?”

    Greg – I was questioning you words, not his. In my mind, Breitbart is not part of the story directly. I think people tried to set him up, but he is not part of the story. Do you think he is? Your words seem to imply that. I don’t think Patterico’s do.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3575. “Maybe ask Patterico?”

    Greg – I was questioning you words, not his. In my mind, Breitbart is not part of the story directly. I think people tried to set him up, but he is not part of the story. Do you think he is? Your words seem to imply that. I don’t think Patterico’s do.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2011 @ 11:01 am

    Now it’s me who can’t follow your line of reasoning.

    I have merely been trying to summarize Patterico’s post and asking him if I’ve got it right.

    To answer your question, I would be extremely surprised if Breitbart had any direct role in the story (i.e., any role other than journalist/publisher)

    Greg (bc8186)

  3576. Agreed. There is absolutely no indication Breitbart had anything to do with this, and Stef’s hilarious effort that this fits his pattern is completely wrong. I can see this being how a leftist thinks Breitbart operates.

    Frankly, I think Patterico and I just disagree on how clear it is this was preparation to sting Breitbart.

    Interestingly, whoever went to all this effort to make it look like Weiner was sexting a minor seems to think Breitbart would go to some trouble to vet the story, anyway. But this is all speculation. For all I know this was just for ‘lulz’ or some kind of meta sting of social media.

    Or even something similar to what Qritiq has theorized, though her argument has often been ‘wake up!!!’ instead of ‘here’s my evidence’.

    This is interesting, but it is a minor aspect of the real story of threats and intimidation tactics against good people like Mike. If, at the end of this, the bad guys are laughing that Mike bothered to try to help expose a creepy old man, I guess I don’t even see the punchline.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3577. Now Neal and pals have launched a Twitter account to harass myself and the usual people involved with the case. @Lulzshack He just loves to spew out nonsense about his “associations”
    Neal, you have a million people watching you, so go ahead and “troll me” like you say.
    And keep threatening me with your tweets.
    I truly do have the upper hand here.

    How old are you again??
    A f–king loser.

    goatsred (66819b)

  3578. Lulzshack is trying way too hard, way too dramatic, and doesn’t land a single punch.

    Mike, you don’t need to be worried about that punk. Obviously it’s just another account for one of the old punks who couldn’t land a punch.

    These guys are basically self trolling retards, furious that Patterico has Neal or Ron of Brett’s number. Furious further that Breitbart wins arguments. Likely furious even further that progressivism failed. This is all such an impotent little display. Posing as though he’s just a clown is a pathetic defense mechanism.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3579. If this was a “punk Breitbart” scam, it certainly failed.

    I think circumstances point away from that, though there was some attempt to USE Breitbart for whatever purpose.

    For one thing, for an enemy of Breitbart, this sock or collaboration of socks would not have been the usual suspect (lefty with no personal interest, only political) because he/she/they were all too willing to highlight squidgy behaviour of Weiner.

    Weiner really DID have an odd pattern of inappropriate follows and longstanding rumors about his proclivities. Drawing full bore attention on his observable twitter habits in light of those rumors would be to risk damaging his reputation further and raising suspicions and questions even if it was all merely an appearance of impropriety.

    This sock was sneaky (and sucky) at trying to draw female followed/followers into her confidence. Why was this sock so interested in Weiner’s online habits?

    I have to think it was someone looking to catch him dead to right doing something wrong.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3580. Can everyone see my comment between Goatsred and Sarah’s? I never will get used to the filters.

    I think circumstances point away from that, though there was some attempt to USE Breitbart for whatever purpose.

    Greg, Daley, I think Sarah’s theory is similar to what Patterico is trying to say. I assume the endgame was to discredit Breitbart, and others do not feel motive is so evident.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3581. “Weiner really DID have an odd pattern of inappropriate follows and longstanding rumors about his proclivities. Drawing full bore attention on his observable twitter habits in light of those rumors would be to risk damaging his reputation further and raising suspicions and questions even if it was all merely an appearance of impropriety.”

    SarahW – I agree up to a point. Weiner’s behavior was observable but until the dick tweet there was always the deniability of impropriety. Heck, before that, apart from Gennette, none of the socks involved really had an idea of what a truly sick crapweasel Weiner really was, so what risk was there calling attention to already public behavior? A lot of people kept buying Weiner’s unbelievable denials right up until his confession.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3582. none of the socks involved really had an idea of what a truly sick crapweasel Weiner really was,

    I don’t think that is necessarily the case. In fact it probably isn’t the case, given what they were trying to elicit.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3583. Since Gennette is being criticized, I would feel better if she were able to come here and defend herself.

    I realize that’s just a back and forth that has gone on very repetitively, but still…

    I realize the main problem is that we’re not sure it’s really Ms Cordova herself. And to be sure, the person who was commenting as Gennette might not be doing Gennette any favors. There’s going to come a point in this story where people realize why Patterico so urgently asked for help, and those who replied ‘what’s in it for me?’ will look terrible.

    So it’s a conflicted issue.

    Hopefully there is a way (such as a video chat) for Gennette to confirm it’s really her. Though I do not find her argument persuasive, and admit Simon and JD’s points cast a lot of doubt on her, I’d rather just resolve it.

    Gennette, if my theory is correct that what’s really being hidden are the damage control tactics, I urge you to say ‘enough is enough’ and just spill the beans.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3584. none of the socks involved really had an idea of what a truly sick crapweasel Weiner really was,

    I don’t think that is necessarily the case. In fact it probably isn’t the case, given who nikki sock was trying to ingratiate what Nikkisock was trying to elicit.

    And as to this: A lot of people kept buying Weiner’s unbelievable denials right up until his confession. I’m sure there were a share of persons believing the “hacked” story; many more of the I DON”T WANT TO KNOW variety, akin to the mother of a sexual abuse victim. However, the scandal did highlight what the sock had already noticed – his odd follow methods and preferences.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3585. Hindsight makes Weiner’s consciousness of guilt – viewing his actions through the lens of a man with something to hide- conspicious. If you didn’t spot his lies then, you can go back and see the tells that others spotted right away.

    In similar fashion you can interpret something of the motives of Nikki sock.

    The attempts to buddy up, gain the confidence of and draw out women who were following/followed by Weiner, orchestrated by a person simultaneously attempting to draw attention to Weiner’s following habits indicates someone was watching his follow habits VERY CLOSELY. They wanted to catch him. Later actions reveal a desire to expose him – though why they would is still a matter of speculation.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3586. “I don’t think that is necessarily the case. In fact it probably isn’t the case”

    SarahW – Go ahead and make your argument. How many people involved actually knew Weiner was tweeting naked pictures of himself or talking dirty to different women? What is your count?

    “However, the scandal did highlight what the sock had already noticed” – When you say scandal, do you mean the dick tweet or something else? If it’s the dick tweet, I don’t think anybody can claim the socks had any control over that. As you mention, however, it did call attention to his behavior.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3587. “Since Gennette is being criticized, I would feel better if she were able to come here and defend herself.”

    Dustin – She or whoever it was had the opportunity to contribute here and chose not to. Too bad. So sad.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3588. Since Gennette is being criticized, I would feel better if she were able to come here and defend herself.

    I would feel better if she would voluntarily share everything she knows and not look out only for herself.

    I guess we can’t all have what we want.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3589. I would feel better if she would voluntarily share everything she knows and not look out only for herself.

    Yeah, it’s frustrating. And it makes her look quite terrible. DRJ predicted how she’d behave and it’s hard to show how she was in error to say she’s toying with us.

    So if you aren’t sure this is Gennette, why let someone ruin an innocent and used person’s name?

    However, if it’s really Gennette, I do think she should be able to respond to her accusers. I already know it would almost certainly continue to the the same back and forth with absolutely no progress involved.

    And as most of y’all know, I am not on Gennette’s fan club.

    I must say: it’s nice that it’s not my call.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3590. And my ‘if it’s really Gennette’ of course hinges on Gennette following through with that video chat.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3591. I must say: it’s nice that it’s not my call.

    It’s not, indeed.

    She will comment here when it suits me.

    Right now, it doesn’t.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3592. However, if it’s really Gennette, I do think she should be able to respond to her accusers.

    I should be allowed to get the evidence I need to track down the threateners.

    Life isn’t fair, is it?

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3593. I should be allowed to get the evidence I need to track down the threateners.

    Comment by Patterico —

    Hey, I did my best to persaude her to do so. Anybody who can help and doesn’t is a complete dick. I don’t see why Gennette wouldn’t see that, if she’s concerned for how she looks.

    Perhaps her handler (if it’s not actually Gennette) is not handling things for her benefit.

    I’m not trying to establish any parity in morality here. You are justified to be disgusted with the ‘what’s in it for me’ attitude.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3594. There are plenty of reasons to be disgusted with GennetteC that have nothing to do with her self-centered what’s in it for me attitude.

    JD (318f81)

  3595. There are plenty of reasons to be disgusted with GennetteC that have nothing to do with her self-centered what’s in it for me attitude.

    Comment by JD — 8/9/2011 @ 6:12 pm

    My only relevant problem with her is that she was asked to help reveal whatever it is Alicia Pain and pals were trying to hide, and won’t.

    I could spend a lot of time judging her for her dismissal of concern for Ethel (combined with her conflicting comment I don’t even understand it), or her willingness to shill for Weiner after he’s exposed trying to frame people as hackers. I could assume the obvious implication of her effort to delete all her accounts and not have a problem with Weiner sending that picture unsolicited. In fact I have assumed as much a few times.

    I am not advocating a defense for her. The only one I’d give would piss Qritiq off as I discuss kids being unwise.

    My actual view is merely that people should have the ability to defend themselves, even if I’m sure their defense will fail. I realize this view is totally undermined because some of you think this is not the actual Gennette, which is why I stipulate her actually video chatting to prove herself. Not with me, though.

    I think I’ve ruffled Patterico’s feathers, which was not my intention. Just because I am not pleased with a result doesn’t mean I’m trying to run someone’s business.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3596. “I don’t see why Gennette wouldn’t see that, if she’s concerned for how she looks.”

    Dustin – Sometimes it’s not just the hair. A girl has to have the right shoes for a video chat, you moron. These things can take time.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3597. Today’s law enforcement seems to be paying more attention to hackers like Anonymous, Lulzec, etc. I hope LE is also looking into Alicia Pain and anyone similar. It sounds promising based on Patterico’s comments.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3598. 3650
    Haha

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3599. Dustin – Sometimes it’s not just the hair. A girl has to have the right shoes for a video chat, you moron. These things can take time.

    Comment by daleyrocks

    Apparently. Assume for the sake of argument it’s a phony Gennette. Whoever is behind that… what in the hell did all that hard work accomplish?

    It’s made Gennette look cold hearted and selfish.

    How many other commenters are being run by the same group of people? That theatre of Gennette verifying and then disputing JR9’s DMs… what’s the point?

    Anyway, I hope Gennette steps up to the plate and proves it’s really her. And then agrees to share anything related to Weiner she’s got. I especially want to know what Weiner said about any damage control or PR help. I can’t help but wonder if something Ginger Lee rejected was offered to others.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3600. hey berlusconi
    just asking putanas take
    bite off old weiner

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3601. @ daley,

    3650 was hilarious.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  3602. say hey vecchio
    manzo bolognese
    tutti di frutti

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3603. I don’t think we need to worry about our old gal anymore. She’s got a whole new set of friends.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3604. Dustin, slightly rephrasing this question

    How many people involved actually knew Weiner was tweeting naked pictures of himself or talking dirty to different women? What is your count?

    the answer is lots. At least everyone he ever engaged on that level, as in hindsight we know he was not very discriminating. The nature of his forwardness would likely lead more than one suspected she was not his only correspondent, if not all.

    And these women (and they weren’t all necessarily exactly who they said they were, so this could include women, girls, men, boys, &c) weren’t necessarily keeping the secret, and at least one’s roomate was willing to help share that secret with the world. Some other discoverer of hanky panky might use the knowledge differently and for motives of their own.

    Anyone taken into confidence or willing to spy on any of these correspondents might act.

    Rumors of his “activities” are longstanding. There are any number of persons possibly with some knowledge of his habits or (justified) suspicions of his habits who might want to gather information about his activities, for just as many potential motives. Jilted fan, suspicious wife, oppo researchers, jealous or vindictive or protective friend of one of Weiner’s pals, the porn-stars own stalker… or even Lee’s kookygal suspect.

    A gossip page like Gawker might do it – maybe he’s in the closet or his wife is and they wanted to expose the “sham” marriage.
    ( I think someone mentioned the Weinerwatching seemed to commence about the time of his marriage.)

    I tend to agree with Lee, the motive for probing Weiner’s activities was personal, though I can’t rule out lulz or politics as drivers. Also the person(s) motives could be confused/contradictory or have changed over time.

    Again, I suspect Breitbart was seen as a vehicle to “launder” the story, so that person or persons could stay hidden, I think. Belief that B. would bite hints that it was a left-leaning person or a non-rightie anyway, who just bought into some popular portraits of Breitbart.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3605. Again, I suspect Breitbart was seen as a vehicle to “launder” the story, so that person or persons could stay hidden, I think.

    A rational theory. I guess I am also confused by how some people are involved with other socks, but have completely different motives. When I try to come up with a Grand Unified Weinertheory, I fail.

    Worse, the whole story is rife with traps for infighting. There’s an urgency to get to the bottom of the threat aspect which seems greatly hampered by the petty little need to cover up some petty little sex scandal few care about. There’s Ron, and a few others, trying to ruin the lives of anyone they can identify.

    You raise a lot of older points I had forgotten about. Weiner lived a freaking strange life. His marriage, his lack of a type of woman he preferred, his weird fascination with his own awesomeness in these private conversations… he’s a messed up dude.

    If it’s Lee’s Kookygal (I love this term you coined) I am amazed, but perhaps a lot of the things I’m amazed by were not done by her. That’s the beauty (poor word choice) of the rampant socks. It’s impossible to figure out motivations.

    It’s just chaos. I’m more worried about Prepostericity’s real life ordeal (remember, he is asking for help filing a motion to dismiss in Maryland), and Mike and Patterico’s real life ordeals.

    I’m also fascinated by the idea Cordova is fake. Mainly because I was 100% fooled, but the case that her story is fishy is impossible to dismiss.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3606. Just trying to catch up here. I got a rather large dose of sun today and feel a little sun sick. But I wanted to remind people not to click on lulzshack’s links, especially without, and maybe not even with a proxy.

    Idk if these people are trying to run interference or what but I would tell Patterico that there are at least leads for whatever LE is involved on that Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

    Also, the real/original ED was changed to Oh Internet because Sherrod (owner of the site) said she didn’t make any money on it and was sick of subpoenas and getting her servers raided. Idk if he’d want to deal with this now but I am sure Pat would know how and who could do such things if needed.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3607. Gennette sounds like such a whiner in her tweets about Patterico.

    Seriously, why doesn’t she write her story herself? She is a writer, no? She seems smart, yes? I bet a bunch of sites would post it and ‘help her’. Probably even Pat.

    This story is starting to get on my nerves again. I hope arrests are coming.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3608. Crazy thought: is it possible Gennette is John Reid and Dan Wolfe?

    I just had the CRAZIEST damn email exchange with John Reid.

    Another crazy thought: “imdw”

    “I am Dan Wolfe”?

    Gennette just tweeted “Ides of March”

    Very weird.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3609. imdw is too stupid to be a player in this.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3610. imdw is stef, and there is a stef who has been a cheerleader for me being behind Weinergate in Neal’s posts at Kos.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3611. I remember a stupid stef here before imdw. Very hostile.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3612. @ 3662 Patterico

    I think she probably was referring the movie she Tweeted she was going to see tonight. Not certain though.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3613. Gennette said an hour or two ago I was PMSing bigtime. But I wasn’t doing anything online. I was, however, having a weird conversation with John Reid — who suddenly told me that everything he has ever done has been on behalf of Weiner, including give me DMs that look fake.

    I plan to publish it all. It’s truly bizarre. And it sounds like Gennette.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3614. All of the sudden, Mr Reid is saying he has DMs that appear fake? How….convenient.

    My husband’s favorite saying is “timing, is everything”.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  3615. Noodles:

    I don’t think so. That’s coming out in October.

    It sounds like she is saying something weird is about to happen.

    I heard something like that from Neal once.

    And tonight, even more than last night, resembles the events of June 30. I promised to publish John Reid’s material, I got distracted by a pointless chat from John Reid (on June 30 it was Dan Wolfe), Neal has been doing weird stuff …

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3616. I can’t find it now but I swear I just saw something that said some of it was filmed near Seattle or something.

    It is weird that it seems to be “Political Drama”. Maybe she wants to point out that we are all paranoid!

    Idk, I can’t wait to read the DMs from Reid etc. Maybe this does have a surreal ending. This thing will truly become bizarre if Gennette ends up being DW.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3617. imdw published an address s/he claimed was mine during the Kimberlin thing. S/he made a point of talking (inaccurately) about the value of my house. (I wish she was right.)

    A weird Neal-related beandog troll has been talking about the value of my house today, and suggesting that I am about to be attacked by 4chan, etc.

    Then John Reid engages in this bizarre conversation. Things like:

    Weiner did nothing wrong with underaged girls and shouldn’t be the target. If you really cared about truth you wouldn’t have written such horrible lies about him and Gennette.

    and

    Thanks for your help Patterico, on behalf of Gennette and Rep Weiner. You’ve helped more than you’ll ever know. You hate that you’ve helped but you did.
    Best wishes!

    and

    No. You did exactly what we wanted. We knew you would tie us to Dan like other people and it’s perfect. Gennette can do a victory dance and so can Weiner.

    We wanted everything ever published discredited and you helped. Not trying to scare you. Just saying what you’ve done. You’ve helped.

    No one thinks we have credibility and no one ever will. All of your stuff is tainted forever. Anything relating to Gennette and Weiner included.

    No one will ever believe a word.

    This after chats in which Reid claimed he had pressed Nikki, found more DMs from Weiner, and claimed that Weiner was more dangerous than he had ever realized.

    What got Reid talking like that? I told him I am going to reveal all the reasons I think he is Dan Wolfe. And — just as Dan Wolfe did — he FLIPPED OUT.

    Flipped. Out.

    Now Gennette tells her boyfriend I have been PMSing when I haven’t been online and tweets a phrase that typically is an omen of bad tidings.

    All these people are creeps. Ron Brynaert, Neal Rauhauser, Gennette Cordova, Dan Wolfe, John Reid. There may not be but 3 actual people behind those five names.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3618. The value of your house thing they probably got from Spokeo. If they don’t have the value they say it’s a million dollars. Note to everyone here: You can go to they privacy link (very small at the bottom) and have them take you off of their searches.

    Is it weird that she tweeted that movie thing? Like, I’m out for the night definitely NOT communicating as someone else online. It’s still hard for me to wrap my brain around her possibly being DW. Though, I have always believed she was trolling for Weiner from the get go.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3619. There may not be but 3 actual people behind those five names.
    Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 12:05 am

    I’m thinking two actually. Ron and Neal. I haven’t gotten a feeling of realness from any of the others. Just a suspicion however.

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3620. Frankly, not much in this mess makes sense. It’s like the blind men and elephants analogy.

    Why is Gennette still around? Because of the boyfriend? Why was she trolling for Weiner?

    Ron and Neal are their own can of worms. If they are paid, by who? Weiner? Maybe he wants to run for Mayor sometime and needs to do this now? Couldn’t get AB, so let’s try Patterico? It’s never ending.

    Hopefully LE can shed some light on all this. Also, I still don’t know what ever happened with the JG Boston. Ugh.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3621. imdw is too stupid to be a player in this.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/9/2011 @ 11:01 pm

    But this John Reid aspect is extremely stupid. It cost tremendous time for whoever perpetrated it. It is decidedly unclever. It tries to trick us with proof John Reid has no credibility long after we already concluded that. It is, in fact, the product of a stupid person.

    Misinformation, information, or no information… it’s all information.

    All these people are creeps.

    Gennette’s primary complaint is that people have doubted her veracity, but that’s how she got involved with this: by doubting people were who they claimed to be. And merely with an intuition that I have yet to understand. She acts like she gets to be certain Nikkie is fake, with nothing tangible, and others can’t rely on more tangible doubts such as someone fleeing from a promised videochat or goofing up an account of their own life. Why are the rules so lighter for Gennette?

    Also, Gennette can dish it out, but she can’t take it. This ‘PMSing’ comment or the ‘He’s further victimizing me’ accusation are both more severe than someone saying she has a motivation for denying Nikki’s DMs.

    All these people are creeps.

    That much I can see. Gennette seems utterly unfazed by my attempt to explain this is serious. Practically every tweet is met with a ‘but what about me?!??!??!?’

    It’s just weird. Like her lack of interest in why Weiner would send her that pic.

    Nothing seems to bother Gennette.

    Other than criticizing Gennette. I don’t think she’d take it so personally if it wasn’t really her.

    —-

    Noodles, there is a dizzying array of little loose threads and lingering questions. I don’t think they will unify under one explanation or plot.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3622. I’m thinking two actually. Ron and Neal. I haven’t gotten a feeling of realness from any of the others. Just a suspicion however.

    Well, I talked to a female on the phone. Who it was, I’m not sure. But it was a female.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3623. But it was a female.
    Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 1:47 am

    Purporting to be Gennette? So you’re right, there’s at least 3 people involved. We don’t know if the Gennette here is the real Gennette though. Even if it is, she’s sketchy as all get-out.

    Have I mentioned these people are evil?

    Stashiu3 (44da70)

  3624. Horizon, the school paper, posted that long initial statement by Gennette. It seems very similar in tone to the comments here.

    So there’s reason to believe the actual Gennette Cordova is at least related to the one commenting here. She’s at least approving of this effort, though I think it’s just her.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3625. There is no John Reid, there is a liar yanking whoever is available to be yanked.

    And if he were made up and lying for Weiner’s sake, he should be the last “person” to confess it, and anyway nothing that sock ever did would accrue to Ws benefit.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3626. “We wanted everything ever published discredited”

    There’s my lol for the morning.
    Weiner is just as guilty as he ever was, confessed of his “issues” and off to rehab… just as sick and unfit to govern as ever.

    He shouldn’t have been corresponding with Gennette as he did, and lack of openess about their conversations suggest that for one or both’s sake those conversations will remain undisclosed.

    There is no clearing, and there can be no clearing, of Weiner. What confusion exists hardly accrues to W.s benefit, it only raises suspicion.

    No one gives a hang about Gennette as any kind of temptress or trollop. That’s kind of making the sock look as stupid and fake as ever.

    That’s the most forgettable part of it all – no one cares about her part, even if she thought she had a different kind of connection to Weiner than ever objective onlooker who wasn’t born yesterday considers. Nothing on her end changes what Weiner is. No one but a handful of people on earth follow this little “afterparty” anyway.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3627. “However, if it’s really Gennette, I do think she should be able to respond to her accusers. I already know it would almost certainly continue to the the same back and forth with absolutely no progress involved.”

    Comment by Dustin — 8/9/2011 @ 5:06 pm

    There was progress, although the pace & extent was not to everyone’s satisfaction. There was real progress, though, in exchanges we had with her, including this week.

    (I agree she should be able to respond. But if Pat has reason to filter her, it’s his house & family… and she has other forums in which to respond that we could link to. I’d rather it be here for convenience and for having other valid commenters all on the the same page, but it’s up to him and he knows things that we don’t.)

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3628. I just unmoderated Gennette.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3629. By the way, I have forwarded the John Reid 9 e-mails from last night to a couple of people. I just declared my intentions to publish them in this post — as well as my reasons I think Reid is Wolfe, and the rest of the document dump.

    This remains, for now, the place to comment.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3630. In those e-mails I told Reid I thought he was a liar and a fraud — and that he is Dan Wolfe.

    As you can see from the quotes above, the reaction is interesting.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3631. By the way, I really doubt Gennette is behind the JohnReid9 account, or the e-mails/DMs I received.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3632. Link to quotes above from recent Patterico / JohnReid9 email exchange

    It’s “Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 12:05 am”

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3633. Reminder note to commenters: When quoting or replying to the posts of others, using the name / date / time link is much better than using comment number because comment numbers are javascript-generated and appear different for different users on different OSes and browsers simultaneously.

    So when one quotes or replies to comment #3324, that may be #3322, 3323, 3324, 3325, or 3326, etc., for different readers..and it can change over time. It can also be affected by: comments that get deleted by moderators & earlier comments in moderation that are suddenly approved and interjected by moderators, which throws off the whole numbering scheme. So using, for example,

    “Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 12:05 am”

    is the preferred method if you want your writing to be understood by others here.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3634. Monster thread is unwieldy.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3635. One has to consider all possibilities.

    Patterico (bbe1cb)

  3636. Cockroaches scurrying is progress.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3637. “By the way, I really doubt Gennette is behind the JohnReid9 account, or the e-mails/DMs I received.”

    Comment by Patterico — 8/10/2011 @ 8:03 am

    Another indication that that commenter Gennette is the real Gennette (although it could be very elaborately faked) is that Gennette maintains her 22-year-old weekend social life on the same twitter account which she uses to refer to these threads and related people. Remember, too, that she’s a real person who was physically visited and photographed by NY Post. Now that she’s unmoderated, she can correct me if I’m wrong.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3638. Cui bono? Maybe now it’s time to estimate the benefit for each player. For Patterico it’s to discover the scumbag that threatened his family. The others? Hard to say, but whatever it is, it’s not as noble as Patterico’s, therefore they will fall. Sorry to make the story so epic, but the thread is almost at 3700, for goodness sake.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  3639. There are plenty of reasons to be disgusted with GennetteC that have nothing to do with her self-centered what’s in it for me attitude.

    Comment by JD — 8/9/2011 @ 6:12 pm

    Yeah, I agree. She’s the worst.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3640. I can’t believe I’m nearly caught up on reading this & related tweets.

    Going back to motivation:

    For Nikki, I think the motive was to sting Breitbart into buying a story that isn’t true about Weiner.

    I disagree. It may become more clear when I lay out all the facts showing Dan Wolfe is JohnReid9. I believe the efforts by “Nikki” to smear Breitbart were part of a premeditated plan to separate Dan Wolfe and the Reids and make people believe they could not be the same person. Making it more credible when JohnReid9 suddenly “realized” that Weiner had been contacting his daughter.

    I believe Dan Wolfe planned to contact Breitbart all along, and hates Lee Stranahan because Lee derailed that plan. The idea was to set up the Reids as fans of Weiner and opponents or Breitbart, while Wolfe was a Weiner opponent who WENT to Breitbart.

    Then the Big Reveal was to be that JohnReid9 had uncovered Nikki’s DMs with Weiner thanks to Breitbart’s work in publicizing Wolfe’s finds.

    Comment by Patterico — 8/8/2011 @ 9:57 pm

    and the subsequent discussion in which Greg was trying to check his understanding of Patterico’s comment…and some ensuing confusion with other commenters here.

    I fail to see how creating a fake teenage girl is supposed to credibly sting a sitting US Congressman, no matter what he does with the fake girl, no matter what he believes about the fake girl. I clearly see how she could be used to temporarily fake-sting him, though.

    Yes we have some very dumb puppetmastery going on, but not that dumb. You have to consider that if Weiner is going to be accused of consorting with children, then the FBI is going to find out it’s a fake story.

    I do see how the intended sting was on Breitbart (or whomever could be tricked into hastily publishing allegedly scandalous online AW exchanges with a teen admirer)…and then the “Big Reveal” (“Hey, look, any fool could figure out that Nikki isn’t a real girl”) would be that Breitbart is, once again, (in the creator’s view, and “soon” to be the World’s view, if all went as planned) a scurrilous scandalhound who publishes anything that makes the left look bad, even if it’s demonstrably untrue.

    Whoever created this, is trying to be the next James O’Keefe – except it’s an anti-O’Keefe, whose target isn’t the corrupt institutions of The Left, it’s Breitbart & The Bigs.

    But if the instigators are on The Left, don’t they care about how this potentially affects Weiner? He’s on their side, right?

    Well, what are the potential outcomes?:

    – He becomes insulated as the victimized target of a false sting, or
    – He’s sacrificed. Remember, that NY’s congressional delegation is being downsized due to the 2010 Census. NY is losing seats. The Constitution and Census made that a cold fact. Some of those were going to be Dems…Since Weiner already had obvious real issues just below the surface, he became a prime target to be redistricted out of a job….better him than who? (perhaps that’s a place to look?)

    Both worthy outcomes, if it means bringing down the hated Breitbart, in the puppetmaster’s view.

    Recall, too, that the Creator(s) punked Tommy & Mediaite, punked Jen Preston & The New York Times, & punked the mainstream media that picked up the NYT headlines. For a while, the Creator(s) were way, way more than just puppetmasters. They were media masters.

    Pat says this may be changing very soon. Let’s see!

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3641. Gennette – How’s your hair look?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3642. @DaleyRocks
    Like crap, I just woke up.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3643. I don’t feel like reading through 3,700 comments, so at the risk of coming off as obtuse, can someone briefly explain what the issue is and why it matters?

    Chris (5fc583)

  3644. There’s a big difference (to me) between being called a young woman and being called a young girl.

    Yet, in just a few comments prior, you explain that the language used by the younger generation is just plain different (conceding that it is not necessarily admirable). The way I took your comment is that one should not get too worked up by it, but just accept it as reality.

    So let me throw out this thought– the language of older folks might be just plain different. It may not be admirable, but there is no reason to get worked up by it. I personally have referred to young adult women as “young girls”, and have referred to young adult men as “young boys”, and them collectively as “kids”.

    It is wrong to demand understanding for the lingo of your generation while refusing to give understanding for the lingo of a different generation.

    Enigmaticore (a6843f)

  3645. Oh, and when I have referred to younger generation people as “girls” or “boys”, I generally meant no disrespect. Instead, I generally am contrasting them to my old-as-dirt self. There is meant no implication that they are not adults or should be dismissed entirely.

    However, is there an implication that they are less experienced? Yes. They are. I don’t mean that as an insult. Been there myself, as have all the old coots I call peers.

    Enigmaticore (a6843f)

  3646. It is wrong to demand understanding for the lingo of your generation while refusing to give understanding for the lingo of a different generation.

    For what it’s worth, I completely agree with you. But:

    1. I never got worked up by anyone calling me a young girl. In fact, I didn’t bring up the topic. I simply commented on it.
    2. I didn’t demand understanding for the lingo of my generation. I offered insight into lingo of my generation that I thought might be helpful.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3647. This is what I was talking about, Patterico.

    Simon Jester (aa6399)

  3648. @SimonJester
    What is the big secret? You’re obviously talking about me. I’d love to hear your theory.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3649. Do a video chat with Patterico. We’ll even chip in for some hair gel or something.

    Oh, that’s right: it’s weird. Unlike the antics with Weiner. That’s completely cool.

    C’mon.

    Simon Jester (aa6399)

  3650. I didn’t bring up the topic. I simply commented on it.

    Fair enough.

    I offered insight into lingo of my generation that I thought might be helpful.

    And I did the same. If you ever hear a crotchety older guy call you a young girl, try not to get too offended. He may be just thinking of you as being in the same general age range as his own little girl, who will always be a young girl no matter how grown up she is. Just like kids (see!) my son’s age will always be young boys, even though they are clearly men.

    I think we all could do with being charitable in our reactions to the way other generations phrase things.

    Enigmaticore (a6843f)

  3651. @SimonJester

    The videochat would be weird and what Anthony Weiner did was weird… don’t put words in my mouth, sir. I never said anything he did was completely cool.
    C’mon.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3652. @Enigmaticore

    I agree with you whole-heartedly.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3653. Oh, Gennette, I don’t want to fence with you, but you love the attention. You have done multiple interviews with journalists, complete with photo shoots. So please don’t play that card.

    Talking to an ADA is weird? No, that’s not the weird part of this story. But you know that already.

    Do the video chat. How could that be weirder than the posed photoshoot the New York papers ran?

    But you won’t. And a lot of us know why.

    Simon Jester (aa6399)

  3654. Since videochats aren’t weird, and your use of “sir” is weird, and certainly unprecedented, the stink of sockery might be what is wafting this way.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3655. Oh, Gennette, I don’t want to fence with you, but you love the attention. You have done multiple interviews with journalists, complete with photo shoots. So please don’t play that card.

    Geez, really? I’ve done ONE interview. Do you I really need to explain the New York Post story? I thought I had made a big enough stink about it.

    You’re right, I love attention. Which is why I turned down interview requests from basically every paper and show in the country? Makes sense.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3656. I don’t think we need to go down this “young” girl path again it’s stupid. Since yesterday I have had the feeling that, that conversation the other night about this subject set the whole new “Gotcha” narrative that has been spewing out ever since then.

    Since then it’s been “Patterico is obsessed with the young girl aspect, he’s trying to further discredit Weiner’s future in politics”
    Or
    “We wanted everything ever published discredited and you helped. Not trying to scare you. Just saying what you’ve done. You’ve helped.”

    Have you thought about that, who is saying that? Why?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  3657. At 3559 Paterico wrote…

    I believe Dan Wolfe planned to contact Breitbart all along, and hates Lee Stranahan because Lee derailed that plan.

    This is not true.

    1) Dan Wolfe refused to talk to AB on the phone immediately – within a couple of hours of the story breaking. Before I knew about the story.
    2) I did nothing to derail this — I passed a message along on behalf of AB Memorial Day weekend, when Wolfe and I got along just fine.

    My concerns about Wolfe were caused by DW’s refusal — twice — to speak to AB. In other words, Wolfe’s action PRECEDED my concerns.

    These are basic facts about this story that I’ve discussed a number of times. I want to the record on them to be clear.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  3658. “2) I did nothing to derail this — I passed a message along on behalf of AB Memorial Day weekend, when Wolfe and I got along just fine.”

    Lee – When in the timeline did you start insulting and smearing Dan and concocting strange theories about him?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3659. some questions for you to answer:

    http://wp.me/p6l52-gM

    Haiku-free post.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3660. “I offered insight into lingo of my generation that I thought might be helpful.”

    Enigmaticore – I’ve got kids older and younger than Gennette. Here’s some insight I’m sure you do not need, bullsh*t is still bullsh*t at any age.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3661. qritiq – To whom is you 3713 directed and where does that link go? Why not just ask the question here.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3662. Daley – it’s not a smear if it’s true. Which it is.

    SarahW (af7312)

  3663. “Daley – it’s not a smear if it’s true. Which it is.”

    SarahW – Was it known to be true back when Lee started to do it, claiming Dan hacked Weiner’s account. No. Absolute bullsh*t. Sorry.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3664. some questions for you to answer:

    http://wp.me/p6l52-gM

    Haiku-free post.

    Comment by qritiq — 8/10/2011 @ 11:13 am

    I bet qritiq is now going to write another blog article about this and come back here with a link. And also twitter the link to others.

    Comment by jmel44 — 8/8/2011 @ 8:01 pm

    Hmmmm.

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3665. 3718????!!! At some point you should consider meds.

    tifosa (6cc4fb)

  3666. tifosa – different meds

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  3667. jmel44 – See no reason why qritiq can ask her questions here, even if they are cut and pasted from somewhere else.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3668. can’t not can

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3669. Agree completely with you daley.

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3670. One of Qritiq’s commenters claims Patterico and I have not coordinated our treatment of Gennette. That’s not the case.

    I put my personal distaste for Gennette’s behavior aside to reason with her about one specific thing. I’m not much of a ‘good cop’.

    Anyway, the good cop routine is over. The commenter “etc” says I was trying to manipulate Gennette, but all I did was ask straight-up for a specific thing. The commenter also said I am trying to harm Gennette’s reputation. She did that to herself. I do tend to think that occurred, though. I make absolutely clear this is a serious problem going beyond the emails threats, and her helping all the people involved, many of which are not Patterico, is more important than being vindictive against someone who raised earnest criticisms (she calls it bashing).

    She cannot say, in the future, she hadn’t heard this was very serious.

    When you realize Ron’s weirdness is fake… that he’s just a thug, the weirdest person in all this is Gennette. Her behavior before anything really erupted is incredibly weird. Her reasoning is impossible. She’s saving all her DMs with Weiner before there’s any scandal brewing? Really? Is this a project she’s on? She’s sure Nikki is fake with absolutely nothing to go on? How did she know Nikki wasn’t a 17 year old who strangely for her age? (this is more amusing when you consider how upset Gennette is that people doubt she is who she claims to be when she backs out of the videochat and goofs up her personal story).

    Gennette’s behavior after the Weiner photo is also amazingly weird, especially the part where Gennette is shocked to be a part of the scandal. Didn’t she spend a lot of time involved in rooting out the scandal prior to the picture being sent? But whatever. I’m not going to try to figure out her thinking. It’s artificial and weird. Maybe she’s under an external pressure. Maybe she’s just weird.

    I would ask Gennette (And I do think this is actually Gennette) to affirm or deny that some of the DMs she will not show us have Weiner or his associates suggest PR assistance. I think that’s what these threats and thugs largely want covered up.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3671. At 3559 Paterico wrote…
    I believe Dan Wolfe planned to contact Breitbart all along, and hates Lee Stranahan because Lee derailed that plan.

    This is not true.
    1) Dan Wolfe refused to talk to AB on the phone immediately – within a couple of hours of the story breaking. Before I knew about the story.
    2) I did nothing to derail this — I passed a message along on behalf of AB Memorial Day weekend, when Wolfe and I got along just fine.
    My concerns about Wolfe were caused by DW’s refusal — twice — to speak to AB. In other words, Wolfe’s action PRECEDED my concerns.
    These are basic facts about this story that I’ve discussed a number of times. I want to the record on them to be clear.

    When you say that I said something that is “‘not true” could you please be more specific?

    We’re saying the same thing here, Lee. At least I believe we are. I intend to be giving you credit.

    My point is this: In my opinion, Wolfe/Reid had a plan for disseminating the information through Breitbart. I have a theory that this was part of the misdirection regarding Reid: the Reids would be portrayed as pro-Weiner and anti-Breitbart while Wolfe laundered his anti-Weiner stuff through Breitbart. When Reid finally “reluctantly” revealed that he was convinced Weiner was a creep, that revelation would gain seeming credibility (Wolfe/Reid hoped) from the Reids’ previous anti-Breitbart stance.

    I believe you interfered with Wolfe/Reid’s plan by questioning Wolfe. Which enraged Wolfe.

    If this theory is correct, it reflects credit on you, because Wolfe and Reid are frauds. If you thought I was saying anything different then there was a miscommunication.

    Patterico (8bf0a9)

  3672. One of Qritiq’s commenters claims Patterico and I have not coordinated our treatment of Gennette. That’s not the case.

    God dammit.

    I meant to say they say we did coordinate, and then spend an hour detailing some guy’s techniques.

    We didn’t coordinate. Not that I’d see a scandal if we had, but all I freaking did was ask her to do something in a civil manner.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3673. Patterico – As far as we know, Wolfe/Reid have no actual harmful Anti-Weiner info, so whatever they were planning to wash through Breitbart according to your theory sounds like a Breitbart sting, IMO.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3674. Video chat is weird? A young hip person like yourself couldn’t possibly think that could you? (heh, I don’t really care about the young/old arguments on here, but I couldn’t resist).

    You know what is weird? #ThePerfectFridayDateUhKindaSorta, #Thats545InSeattleIThink
    The “boyfried” thing.
    The “Gennette’s crush is cute” thing.
    Thousands of DMs with Nikki (someone you knew was fake).
    That you were 1 of 100 people Weiner followed.
    That you could tell people followed you because you followed Weiner.
    That you received the infamous photo.

    This is in no way a complete list of “weird” things associated with you. Why is it 8/10/2011 and you are knee deep in this still? Hell, I don’t even know the names of half of the known people AW was involved with Weiner, yet I now yours.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3675. Someone should come up with one page explaining exactly what happened. Most of the stuff coming after doesn’t matter, like Ron, Neal, and anonymous usernames. I mean they might a bit, but that’s jumping ahead into convolution, before regular guys and gals even understand the backstory.

    This Gennette person is obviously a waste of time. Even if she is who she says she is, she ain’t got nothin left to add.

    I talked to Patterico on the phone. I was surprised. I thought it’d be some ramped up Sean Hannity screamer type. He actually sounded quite dignified and gentle. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I just figured he’d be more of a Lawrence Tierney type.

    I told him he reminded me of the police chief in Beverly Hills Cop. He didn’t even know what I was talking about. He saw the movie years ago but didn’t remember. It was a compliment. I wasn’t saying he was like goofy Judge Reinhold or the grumpy cop. I didn’t use the word pig or mention bacon or donuts.

    Anyway, my point is, this Gennette should be able to prove who she is by simply taking a picture of herself in some way proving who she is, email it to Patterico who will promise not to print it, and if it’s the same as the woman in the newspaper, at least one debate is put to rest. There doesn’t necessarily have to be that video chat thingie.

    I have to say, this thread isn’t worth too much. What you need is a page or two of simple facts with a timeline. Then moderate the thread for only decent comments. Let everyone else post on this garbage thread. That’s the only way anything will get accomplished through group thinking. Trolls are always going to be trying to muddy the waters.

    And you guys would do well to keep your own partisan opinions out of it. I’m telling you, as soon as conversation is reduced to rethuglicans versus libtards, people tune that out.

    Prepostericity (dfa2c0)

  3676. My terrible sentence structure and grammar makes me think of another “weird” thing. Why did an aspiring writer blow their big chance to break out? I’m not saying you still couldn’t, but the audience has declined severely.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3677. Here’s some insight I’m sure you do not need, bullsh*t is still bullsh*t at any age.

    Ha! Two of my dad’s old lines come to mind.

    “And it still stinks”, and “you can’t bullsh*t a bullsh*tter”

    Enigmaticore (a6843f)

  3678. Patterico – As far as we know, Wolfe/Reid have no actual harmful Anti-Weiner info, so whatever they were planning to wash through Breitbart according to your theory sounds like a Breitbart sting, IMO.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 8/10/2011 @ 12:18 pm

    PatriotUSA76 had evidence of Weiner’s DMs with Ethel that did not start coming out until the 06/06 Smoking Gun story.

    On May 25, PatriotUSA saw Ethel’s “tights-and-cape shit” tweet and determined that Ethel was quoting a DM that Weiner had sent her.

    His intent was to publicize this info to the media. Perhaps this is what Patterico is referring to when he mentions “anti-Weiner stuff.”

    Greg (bc8186)

  3679. Daleyrocks,

    I guess it’s more obvious to me because of certain things I haven’t revealed, but I believe Dan Wolfe was and is anti Weiner. He gave me information thar was absolutely harmful to Weiner. If I am right about that, then last night’s tirade by Reid was a desperate attempt to prevent me from revealing their unified identity, by trying to convince me that doing so would kill the all-important “underage girl” angle. As if I care.

    If it is really a Breitbart sting — if Reid was telling the truth and his actions were done for Weiner’s benefit — we then have  a situation where we have to re-examine the very odd behavior of Gennette. As I said, we must consider all possibilities, but I think SarahW is right to question that scenario.

    So it’s possible that Weiner really did send everything Reid initially told me he had.

    Patterico (8bf0a9)

  3680. I left two comments at Qritiq’s blog. Both are extremely civil and polite, despite the fact I’m responding to an extremely long conspiracy theory about me.

    I simply explain why I would ask for Gennette’s help and also challenge Qritiq to publicize the information she purports to have in a different post (And locks behind a password)

    Qritiq deletes my comment on a stupid rationale.

    There is no reason to go to her blog and leave a comment. She practices extreme censorship. She also posits a lot of conspiracy theories she refuses to back up with evidence. But if you posit a theory and provide very reasonable evidence, she calls it ridiculous and deletes it. She doesn’t explain why you’re wrong… she actually just doesn’t anyone to consider your view.

    Amusingly, my comments were the only ones trying to answer her questions. Comments that do not, but just smear me? Those are cool.

    I’m lost as to the motivations of most of these people.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3681. Oh, she didn’t just delete my comment, she banned me altogether.

    For a civil and direct response to an accusation against me.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3682. Lee, your statements and Patterico’s scenario are not mutually exclusive.

    The idea of poisoning Breitbart by injecting falsifiable “evidence” in the middle of the Weiner scandal is a viable theory that explains some of the incongruities here. Far from conclusively obviously.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3683. Dustin –

    I did not ban you. If I had the time, I’d be curious to tally up every lie regarding me that has been posted on this thread.
    Your response is on the post: http://wp.me/p6l52-gM

    And I don’t think anyone accused you of anything, that I could tell, anyway.

    qritiq (1440aa)

  3684. Qritiq, I try to post a comment and it won’t post.

    Yeah, I’m not lying at all. You did censor my polite response to an accusation against me, even though I backed up my reasoning with actual facts.

    That’s not something you’re bothered to do with your theories.

    Also, you appear to have pre-dated some of your blog posts, and your password protection of some evidence is just plain weird. I have no idea what you’re up to. I suspect you’re just a clueless meddler, but perhaps there’s more to it than that.

    You are a creep, Qritiq. I gave you the benefit of the doubt even after you started appearing to be up to no good.

    And I don’t think anyone accused you of anything, that I could tell, anyway.

    Comment by qritiq — 8/10/2011 @ 1:40 pm

    Yeah, I was accused of collaborating with Patterico to pursue a strategy to defame and manipulate someone, and my explanation for what I did and why shows that’s ridiculous. So you deleted my explanation.

    Also, you deleted my request you back up your own claims and share the password protected (And likely nonexistent) evidence.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3685. @Dustin
    No, there was never any PR assistance.
    I have a question for you, this may have been answered somewhere else… were you PatriotUSA90120?

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3686. Yep. I tried to post again, and I cannot. I am banned from Qritiq’s blog.

    And if you her little warning that she’ll ban you if you annoy her, it’s hardly surprising. I’m also not surprised she would deny it.

    She’s unreasonable at best. I think she’s one of the trolls, but I try to give people as much benefit of the doubt as I can. To a point.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3687. @Dustin
    No, there was never any PR assistance.
    I have a question for you, this may have been answered somewhere else… were you PatriotUSA90120?

    Comment by Gennette —

    Thanks for answering, Gennette.

    And yes, I was PUSA90210. At the time I was interested in following tweets and wanted a twitter account to make it easier. I decided upon that name out of interest for Dan Wolfe’s anonymity. I also had intended to draw John Reid out, and also just opine on a few of these things. Also, I made a lot of jokes.

    If anyone asked who I was and I felt they were trustworthy, I told them the truth and asked it be kept secret.

    When I realized this deal was a lot more serious than the Weinergate photo (I do not take that aspect to be important) and there were threats, and Dan Wolfe was not actually worth my ‘I’m spartacus’ motif, I terminated the account with an explanation that I don’t want to show solidarity with that kind of behavior.

    I thought I had informed you in the past. Regardless, a straight question deserves a straight answer.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3688. Pat,

    Thanks for clarifying.

    I just wanted to clarify the timeline.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  3689. I talked to Patterico on the phone. I was surprised. I thought it’d be some ramped up Sean Hannity screamer type. He actually sounded quite dignified and gentle.
    Comment by Prepostericity — 8/10/2011 @ 12:30 pm

    That was the exact same reaction that I had.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3690. FYI AB is tweeting with Ron, which is interesting.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  3691. “I guess it’s more obvious to me because of certain things I haven’t revealed, but I believe Dan Wolfe was and is anti Weiner.”

    Patterico – I’m obviously not privy to information which you and Lee and Mike have not shared about Dan, Ron or JR9 so I have not seen the sausage being made to come to your conclusions. I don’t recall any convincing case for a unitary personality presented here, but I do remember a dizzying array of theories floated about Dan at the outset of the saga.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3692. Thank God someone is finally going to dump this and put out a new litter box.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  3693. “…That was the exact same reaction that I had….”

    I guess that was the weird part, huh?

    Honestly, it is clear you are hiding a great deal (nor do I think you are the student in question, to be honest).

    But hey, what do I know? Actually: a lot of twenty-somethings who write essays and tweet and IM each other. Remember your comment about “telling” if someone isn’t who they say they are?

    Indeed.

    So prove it. Except you won’t. It gets you more attention.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  3694. Honestly, it is clear you are hiding a great deal (nor do I think you are the student in question, to be honest).

    But hey, what do I know?

    Not much.

    Gennette (55c21d)

  3695. Now there was a 21 year old’s answer!

    Listen, person: Patrick Frey is one of the most honest and honorable people I know. And I have reason to write that. So when I say you can trust him with just about any issue, it’s absolutely true. Don’t take my word for it; look at his job.

    What you are doing is playing games. But it won’t last forever, and you will not be covered in glory at the end of it. People will say to you what is always said to people like you: wouldn’t it have been easier to have been honest?

    Because it is. And it’s not too late.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  3696. Tired of the monster thread?

    I have a new one.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3697. gennette put off by
    lack of tingle up her leg
    MSLSD

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3698. Weiner wag the dog
    huma most displeased and
    rest is history

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  3699. Simom – What ever

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3700. Daley, I believe you need to roll your eyes and sneer “whatever” for the full faux-effect.

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  3701. Simon – I was rolling my eyes and doing a little wrist flip thingy. Your reception must be bad.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3702. Simon, Daley

    Rolling your eyes is an old fogey thing. Duh!

    jmel44 (587a2f)

  3703. jmel44 – I am wearing a flannel shirt and comfortable shoes so I’ve got that part of the fogey thing going for me.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3704. 3454: Comment by Gennette — 8/8/2011 @ 11:47 am

    @SammyFinkleman

    I understand that its easy to get things wrong when you’re interviewing people. And, in regards to the way she used information that I had given her, there were no egregious errors.

    If I recall correctly, Starchild111 told both Ginger and Ethel that she was a “fangirl”. But I could be wrong.

    nOP, RIGHT

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3705. Sorry, I accidentally sent this before it as ready.

    No, you’re not wrong, it’s right – “Nikki” used the word both with Ginger and with “Ethel”

    With a text search for “fangirl” in a collection of ASCII files using the DOS program FGREP, I found the 2 uses of the term fangirl by Nikki. It was on a Prudence Paine post.

    http://prudencepaine.com/2011/06/29/for-weinergate-addicts-only/

    For Weinergate Addicts Only

    “……My amateur-sleuth reader also noted that the initial tweets to both Ginger Lee and Ethel follow very similar language [reprinted here with my emphasis: bold for language, italics for tweet purpose]:

    To GingerLee: I can relate I’m a fangirl too! What did he say (trying to live vicariously through you lol)?!!!

    To Ethel: Hey! I’m a fangirl too! I’m living vicariously thru you! How’d you get him to talk to you????

    [Regular cut and paste with Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V doesn’t carry with it the bold and italics into this box although it does into Microsoft Word. Go to the web page.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  3706. New Document Dump is up! Here!

    Thanks!

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  3707. Pat, maybe you should publish DW emails to me and all the excuses he gave about why he couldnt talk on the phone. Im giving you permission and for you to release any other pertinent reports, etc,if they may help.

    goatsred (66819b)

  3708. I would not waste time on Qritiq and her blog.

    She created the faux blog post dated June 2010 comparing Jlo and the facebook of JG and Nikki Reed ( actrress ).

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  3709. I would not waste time on Qritiq and her blog.

    She created the faux blog post dated June 2010 comparing Jlo and the facebook of JG and Nikki Reed ( actrress ).

    Joe

    Comment by Joe Smith

    I’ve also thought some of her posts are fake dated.

    Meaning I’m not sure her blog is as old as she’s claiming it is.

    Unfortunately, the comments of mine she’s permitted are the ones that aren’t very effective. Basically just answering a couple of trolls.

    She’s dishonest. Probably for silly petty reason and nothing worth worrying about, or perhaps she’s actually some kind of troll.

    She seems to have a huge problem with anyone earnestly seeking answers. I’m sorry I didn’t look her over more carefully before giving her the benefit of the doubt or praising some of her ideas (which never did get any interesting evidence to back them up).

    It’s pretty amusing that I was unbanned there because I complained here about it. Obviously I’m not a fan.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  3710. Now we get to replace Weiner with a Conservative or a socialist.

    DohBiden (d54602)


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