Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher Given Fake IDs
[Guest post by Lee Stranahan]
The New York Times is reporting on a story I discussed a couple of days ago – the mystery surrounding ‘Betty and Veronica’ – with a stunning detail; apparently Mediaite reporter Tommy Christopher was given fake IDs by a woman claiming to be Betty’s mother…
One Twitter user the group observed seeking to interact with Mr. Weiner was called “Nikki Reid.” She started an online campaign to get Mr. Weiner to be her prom date at Hollywood High School in May, using the account @starchild111. Within days after Mr. Weiner started following her, a Twitter user, also using a fake name, Marianela Alicea, and pretending to be Nikki Reid’s classmate, contacted a member of the #bornfreecrew and said she had information about Mr. Weiner, but never provided any.
But there is no evidence that either girl exists. There is no Nikki Reid or Marianela Alicea enrolled at Hollywood High School. In response to requests from a reporter from the blog Mediaite, a woman claiming to be Nikki Reid’s mother provided documentation to substantiate her identity and her daughter’s identity. But records show the street address the woman provided does not list anyone named Reid as an occupant. State officials in California have confirmed that the driver’s license this woman provided to Mediaite was false, as well.
A friend on Twitter just told me..
Tommy has some serious explaining to do.. lecturing everyone while writing a story on 2 people who don’t exist (who he said were beyond question)
Hard to argue with that point
The New York Times piece has a fatal flaw; it gives the impression that these apparently fake people were trying to ‘set up’ Weiner. This fails to highlight a huge repercussion of this revelation – Tommy’s piece ran long statements from Betty / Nikki, Veronica / Maria and Betty / Nikki’s mom. These statements including emphatic defenses of Rep. Anthony Weiner. If all of these people are fake, then Tommy ran defenses of Weiner from fake people. Here’s an example from the ‘mom’.
When Rep Weiner followed my daughter the one and only message he sent her was welcoming her to his twitter followers and suggested he go to his website for more information. My husband and I were delighted with this message as it furthered our daughter’s interest in learning about government. We were very grateful to Rep Weiner for this and saw nothing wrong or inappropriate with this message.
This was the one and only message that Rep Weiner sent our daughter. Our daughter sent a message thanking Rep Weiner for following her and thanking him for the welcome message. This was the one and only message our daughter sent to Rep Weiner.
Soon after she was following Rep Weiner, a group of grown men and a few grown woman who described themselves as “concerned mothers” began harassing my daughter. I can assure you, as a mother, I’ve never heard of such disgusting behavior. My daughter, with our permission, responded to these attacks on Rep Weiner following her with grace and maturity – which is something that cannot be said for these “mothers” and their fellow grown men involved in the attack.
These mothers and their grown male friends attacked the intentions and character of Rep Weiner to our daughter and suggested that he was somehow perverse for following her. This disgusted myself and my husband. They were attacking a man, who has done nothing to them and has done nothing wrong.
That is not only pro-Weiner (and as we know now, patently false) but it also claims people in the #BornFree crew were harassing the (apparently fake) Betty and Veronica. But the New York Times piece continues the meme that the #BornFree crew were a bunch of nefarious conservatives out to get Anthony Weiner by any means necessary.
If Tommy Christopher’s sources aren’t real, then the #Bornfree crew are victims, not only of the Imposter but also of the New York Times and Mediaite.
ADDING: Let’s also remember another detail that’s come to light recently – Tommy told me on the phone several days ago that Betty / Veronica were trying to push a story on Tommy that Andrew Breitbart and Dana Loesch were attempting to force Betty / Veronica to lie about Rep. Weiner. Tommy didn’t run with this story, which had outrageous details but he didn’t report on the attempt to discredit Breitbart and Loesch, either.
If Betty / Veronica / Mom were an imposter, this makes this seem even more sinister. Apparently, a person or persons unknown was trying to discredit Breitbart & Loesch. Again, read the New York Times piece and it makes it seem as though Weiner is the intended victim here and makes no mention of the Breitbart / Loesch angle.
One other detail – apparently Tommy DID talk to a woman on the phone. That provides some starting point for uncovering this mystery.
At this point, Tommy REALLY needs to show his work and come clean. Putting the fake IDs up for other people to see would be a good idea, as well.
– Lee Stranahan
WTF is going on. To think I defended that idiot TC. Should have known better.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:04 pmHoly Jumpin Jeezers Batman, You got them
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:04 pmNo wonder he was going postal on twitter with Patterico.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:07 pmI was safe in assuming that Tommie Xtopher was a mendoucheous twatwaffle the entire time.
JD (318f81) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:15 pmGood thing Tommy’s a serious journalist and not a liberal hack just trying to cover Weiner’s weiner.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:16 pmThis ought to produce another blizzard of f-bombs and name calling from the serious JournoListers.
JD (318f81) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:22 pmloves “mendoucheous twatwaffl” that’s a keeper
Someone is in for it besides Tommy.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:22 pmIsn’t it interesting that Patriot turned Nikki’s evidence down, but Tommy did not? Was this group out to trap the bornfreecrew, and when they failed they turned to Tommy to do their dirty work?
So Mike Stack did not take the bait. So they took it to Tommy, who apparently is incapable of running a check on a drivers license – a valuable ability for a reporter.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:31 pmOoooh! I can’t decide whether it will be better if it’s proved that TC knew about, and was actually a willing participant in, a staged cover-up by Weiner’s “people”–or– whether it will be more fun if he is proved to have so little journalistic curiosity that he swallowed the professionally crafted cover up story that was presented to lucky little him hook, line, and sinker.
Yeah, those choices are so delicious that it’s almost like being forced to choose between butter pecan or chocolate chip ice cream.
elissa (0d822c) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:37 pmthe New York Times is to journalism what autism service horses are to the pony express
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:40 pmHere is the Mediaite explanation
http://www.mediaite.com/online/mediaites-sources-on-weinergate-betty-and-veronica-turn-out-not-to-be-who-they-claimed/
I don’t think we should jump on TC at this point. WTF was he supposed to do beyond what he described he did.
The Betty account was active for, apparently, several months prior to Weinergate breaking. Suggests a honey pot. But why did Mrs. Betty write that exculpatory letter defending Weiner?
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:41 pmAnd there we have it:
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:42 pmFirst the imposter attempts and fails to get Mike to bite. If he had –she would have burned him and whoever listened to him. Then she approached Tommy with a different story in order to (again) discredit Mike and his group. Clever and it could have worked. Now who benefits– my guess: I think these were Weiner’s people trying to head off exposure.
Somebody is going to jail.
@12: But Betty had been active prior to Weinergate.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:45 pm==But why did Mrs. Betty write that exculpatory letter defending Weiner?==
Molon–While nobody at the time had a clue what was going on, many of us here who know something about PR and crisis management immediately recognized Mrs. Betty’s perfect defense of her “daughter”, and the profuse praise for Weiner, to be too over the top to be anything but a crafted PR statement. Weiner already had a cover-up crew at work because he knew about the bornfreecrew.
elissa (0d822c) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:50 pmLee – did you ask JournoLister Xtopher for a response?
JD (318f81) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:52 pmMolon — elissa has it
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:55 pmWhat is the timeline for when the bornfreegroup began tailing Weiner and when Betty’s account opened up. Weinergate started at what official point?
When Nikki’s group are dug out of whatever hole they hide in – Mike and crew have a lawsuit .
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 9:57 pmSo Lee, that was real special for the NYT to credit where they picked up most of their insights about Nikki’s non-existance/ Not
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:05 pmYea, the NYT gives most of the credit to Gennette and the writer Jennifer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/nyregion/fake-identities-were-used-on-twitter-to-get-information-on-weiner.html?_r=1
So the quesiton for this thread, who broke this update to the Weinergate story first: Lee, Mediate or the NYT?
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:18 pmI don’t think that is at all unlikely.
However, if you have you have to seed a cover-up crew with two 16-year old girls to cover up your dealings with other underage girls … then … anyone find that a tiny bit suspicious?
Random (543d30) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:19 pmA very interesting update:
So it appears that Genette was looking out for Rep. Weiner and maybe was having more requent DM communication before the May 27 package shot!
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:22 pmSomebody needs to find out if his clean up crew was from Weiner’s own taxpayer paid staff, or if they were the same people he claimed to have hired later to “find out what happened here with this prank, and make sure it never happens again”.
elissa (0d822c) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:22 pmColby Hall of Mediaite is on StageRightShow now
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/stagerightshow
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:25 pmWhy I am not surprised that Genette managed to weasel herself into the credits. She still trying to manage where the story goes.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:29 pmIts hard to believe that even Weiner would be dumb enough to use his own people. He might have access to Clinton’s people
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:33 pm@24 – Makes sense, since he’s married to someone with Clinton connections…
Professor Why (0df1b4) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:35 pmWow Colby Hall is getting very defensive on StageRightShow!!!!
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:35 pmMolon, that Mediaite women looks ready to crack on– stageright.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:38 pmColby Hall is certainly going on the offensive, Joe Smith.
He has a point if they were genuinely duped after acting for fake IDs … but … they damn well owe a very detailed, convincing explanation. Aggression is not a substitute for an explanation.
Random (543d30) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:39 pmColby Hall – Capital “J” Journalist, Step Off everybody else!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:39 pmI’m listening to the show now. Colby’s nervous, inarticulate, and defensive. He’s used the trite phrase “you know what?” about 72 times while he’s vamping. Also, they’re arguing about “what is journalism”.
elissa (0d822c) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:43 pm“what you do is more opinion analysis” Oh that one was rich
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:44 pmHowever Colby is trying to cover for Tommy C. They did not vet the key individuals that spoke to them so they don’t get to claim Capital J status. They simply did not validate the identities of the Mrs. Betty, Betty and Veronica!!!
They failed!
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:45 pm“you are your own worst enemy”– oh the irony
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:45 pmlee just so i stop getting headaches about this…
why don’t we give the official names of betty and veronica from now on?
i understand holding back on ethel, because she is a real person. but betty and veronica should lose the alias, because they are not even real people, apparently.
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:46 pmBtw, any word on whether either of these girls are chris hanson?
Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:47 pmHe doesn’t believe in news objectivity — at least thats honest
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:47 pmMeredith’s line–hahahahaha “could you fax me over some ID?”
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:53 pmLee is trying to get into the show to confront Colby about the statements that Tonny made about Lee.
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:53 pmI’d like to know what if anything the fake IDs & fake address had in common.
These folks wouldn’t have needed IDs in setting up the bornfree crew, so they had to come up with it quickly for Tommy Christopher…
Most people’s minds don’t do “original” well, they work with what they know or is familiar to them.
Yeah, they had the Hollywood High location,but wouldn’t have needed anything else before the interview. Except for any location/place mentions in the Nikki tweets beforehand to be close to being correct. If as I think several of you are suggesting that the Nikki group was “with” or covering for Weiner, they have to be in NY or DC, not California.(It’s stretching the imagination to think they came from nowhere and had/have no connection to Weiner other than wanting to cover for him) Yeah, they could grab a street name off of google maps, but not the house numbers; four digits, or maybe six, even or odd. Making that up quickly could give the game away fast,if it wasn’t a believable number/zip for the area.
Obviously the last name is a lie, but somebody in the Weiner/Nikki group(s?) was familiar with the area. Why else pick it in the first place when they could pick anywhere in the country to pretend to tweet from??
Yeah(cover your ears Patterico), you can buy fake ID all over LA, but to be believable again, it would have to be on a street somewhat near the school, and a type of number that matched the street.
They had a matter of days to pull together the fake IDs, and have them look believable.
flicka47 (ae99cd) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:56 pmI’m actually starting to feel sorry for Tommy. As long as he was Not playing along with them– if he is innocent of doing so , then he has been played in a terrible way with very lethal price.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:57 pmOn StageRight, they keep on talking about how Tommy Christopher was passionately invested in this story, and in protecting the identity of the two 16-year olds, Betty and Veronica. Options:
1. He really was concerned for the welfare of what he believed were these two minors.
2. He was passionately invested in covering for his own journalistic ass about his “sources”!
Random (543d30) — 6/17/2011 @ 10:59 pmRandom – Passion generates accuracy. They teach that in Capital “J” Journalism School, or so I’ve been told.
Plus Capital “J” Journalists are experts at examining identification.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:03 pmUm no… we should… the guy is either complicit or an idiot.
soren (60aa82) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:08 pmWeiner may not go to jail for attempting to seduce a minor but he could find himself in a court over this bombshell.
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:09 pm“I don’t think we should jump on TC at this point. WTF was he supposed to do beyond what he described he did.”
Colby Hall f*cked up, he trusted liberal hack Tommy C.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:11 pmdaley- that sounds like lyrics from the Music Man: that’s a Capital J, that rhymes with lay …….. that means
bmertz (d77c52) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:12 pmYea Tonny missed the fact checking on his sources.
Very easy to do with public records and less then $50. I bet he only started looking after Wednesday’s StageRight Show when Paterico was asking the details on Betty and Veronica!!!
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:14 pmB-but Chris Chrstie has millionaire friends.
Never mind that the NJEA’s shill is a billionaire who will never give up his money.
BTW Tommy Lee is a word that rhymes with Blunt.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:15 pmThis is BS. As if any of you would have done more to verify these people than TC did.
A huge mystery devolves into a pissing match and partisan bickering. Here and on StageRightShow.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:15 pmSorry for the off topic.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:16 pmThan Tommy Christopher says he did.
Random (543d30) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:18 pmwhy is the first thing weiner does is go frolic in the hamptons I thought he was all about the little guy but he’s not, is he?
It was all a lie.
It was all a damn lie.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:19 pmFU
I’ve been calling BS on these two girls since the very beginning…
Check the top of this..
http://justpaste.it/weinerboner
Check the comments of the original story…
http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbart-did-not-run-weinergate-evidence-which-turned-out-to-be-fabricated/
And all Tommy Christopher has done is stonewall and BS… he is either complicit or a complete f’n idiot… there are no other options. Those statements were so incredibly phony that it’s disgusting that they were printed.
soren (60aa82) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:19 pmBTW, what’s hilarious is that in the original story Tommy Christopher says he spent 5 days trying to verify their account… and it took 14 days later(when peopled called BS immediately) for us to finally find out that they’re fake…
Come on…
soren (60aa82) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:21 pmOn several occasions I believe both Lee and Patterico have suggested that Tommy was very ugly toward them in recent Twitter exchanges. I’d love to know more about that if either are willing to say more about it now that the (partial) story is in the NYT.
==the guy is either complicit or an idiot==
@soren
I’m having trouble finding much sympathy for TC either.
One of my fav movie lines of all time is from Casablanca: “out of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world why did she have to walk into mine?” I think Tommy might have benefited from asking himself a similar question, such as, “out of all the news organizations in all the world why did Betty, Veronica, and Betty’s mom choose mine?”
elissa (0d822c) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:24 pm“This is BS. As if any of you would have done more to verify these people than TC did.”
Molon Labe – Sure, even though Tommy’s reporting was slanted from the start to insinuate conspiracies were afoot, press perfect statement came out of participants and inconsistencies popped up, Tommy could not have done more.
Stick with that story. It’s a winner.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:24 pmelissa – See new post.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:25 pm“why is the first thing weiner does is go frolic in the hamptons I thought he was all about the little guy but he’s not, is he?”
Mr. Feets – It sounds like the weiner will rise again. Maybe more than once.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:26 pmdaley…the key TC article defended Breitbart.
The larger point is TC got used. There’s a major conspiracy going on and all anyone can do is launch partisan BS attacks.
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:35 pmMolon,
The title of the article may be
However that was not the real focus of the article.
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:45 pm“daley…the key TC article defended Breitbart.”
Molon Labe – I made no claim it did not.
“There’s a major conspiracy going on and all anyone can do is launch partisan BS attacks.”
Hey, everybody just wasted three weeks which could have been used to figure out what happened based on sh*tty work by Tommy. No reason his work had to be sh*tty due to partisan reasons. I’ll admit that could be a bad assumption.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:46 pmYeah, and when Cordova and her boyfriend immediately followed TC on twitter he got her statement he was “used” again…
soren (60aa82) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:46 pmBreitbart calling in to Stranahan’s BlogTalkRadio NOW
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2011/06/18/weinergate-the-betty-and-veronica-mystery
Molon Labe (dc676c) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:50 pmLive updates from Lee and Andrew Breitbart.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2011/06/18/weinergate-the-betty-and-veronica-mystery
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/17/2011 @ 11:51 pmOK, so are we now to assume that “Betty” aka Nikki Reid aka “who knows” was a sockpuppet?
This Twitter account was created last September, so there has to be much more to this story.
Joe
Joe Smith (54c0c1) — 6/18/2011 @ 12:05 amThe thing to do is decide who it is in this story that we still have faith in.
My vote would be the #bornfreecrew.
Let’s ask Red about the genesis of “Betty & Veronica”.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/18/2011 @ 2:53 amHow long had they been following Weiner activity? When did they first take an active roll in warning the Congressman’s targets?
How soon could it have been that one of those “targets” inform Weiner that he was under surveillance?
Was there a window for AW to set up a cover of sock puppets? How long would that window of time be?
anthony weiner
ColonelHaiku (1fff77) — 6/18/2011 @ 8:49 amBetty and Veronica
make weiner JugHead
66.The thing to do is decide who it is in this story that we still have faith in.
My vote would be the #bornfreecrew
I answer a lot of these questions in the “Weiner,Reid and Timing Post” at the Beginning of this page. But I invite you to tweet me the q’s or email to me at mscart2000 at hotmail dot com (throwaway email acct ) for trolls
goatsred (b20383) — 6/18/2011 @ 3:26 pm