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6/24/2011

What Questions Would You Ask JohnReid9?

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:05 pm



Assume for the sake of argument that you could talk to JohnReid9 . . . and he told you that (with the obvious exception of providing fake IDs) he has been honest throughout.

Humor me.

What questions would you ask him to ascertain whether he is telling the truth?

You would obviously ask him to explain the fake IDs. And the fake pictures. And if he would video chat with him. And if he is Patriot. And if he is whoever Lee Stranahan thinks he is. And probably a bunch of other things I already thought of.

But also, probably, a bunch of things I haven’t thought of.

I have asked him some questions. I hope to get a chance to ask more. (I may hold, but offer no opinion regarding, JohnReid9 or the truth of any claim he makes.)

So consider this an open-source interview.

What would you ask JohnReid9?

UPDATE: I am chatting with JohnReid9 right now. Any questions you have? He is willing to answer.

And he is sending me more stuff, as we speak.

335 Responses to “What Questions Would You Ask JohnReid9?”

  1. I would ask – Why the secrecy? Assuming of course he is “real” – that he had an actual teenage daughter to protect – still news organizations do a decent job of protecting identities by distorting voices during interviews, etc.

    And who initiated contact with Tommy Christopher – and how was it done? Was there a third party who knew both Christopher & “John Reid” or one of the “Reid family”?

    And please identify each & every form of contact with Tommy Christopher – phone calls, emails, twitter, video?, etc. Also were any other media/press engaged or contacted?

    Has John Reid or any of his family members (to the best of his knowledge) had any contact with Weiner, his staff, PR firm, law firm etc. at any time since the story broke?

    Thanks Patterico!

    Miranda (4104db)

  2. I would ask him which fiinger am I holding up?

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  3. John Reid, in case of emergency would you be more likely to break glass, call 911 or summon a familiar?

    Lincolntf (85daa5)

  4. What questions would you ask him to ascertain whether he is telling the truth?

    This is the hardest one, isn’t it? What could he possibly say that would undeniably establish is identity for you?

    That he told you something you really wanted to be true? Con men and liars do that all the time.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  5. In order to ascertain whether or not JR is telling the truth, we need corroboration.

    That’s why I asked questions re Tommy X (as much as I scorn his Journalist with a capital J act, still by now surely he knows he must be scrupulously truthful), and Weiner’s office. The more we can cross-check his statements against what we know to be fact, the better.

    Miranda (4104db)

  6. Are we to assume that these questions are NOT going to be asked face to face (in person)?

    Tutu (54ce64)

  7. just ask him if your loyal readers have the story straight…

    Patriot = Nikki = starchild = Mr. Reid = Mrs. Reid = Jenny = Janitor = The Plumbers = The Doobie Brothers = The Smothers Brothers = Brothers Typewriter Ribbon=the blue dress = Pabst Blue Ribbon = Prom Dress = Granny’s Nightgown = Weiner’s Bulging Shorts = Whitey Bulger = Kill Whitey!!!=Alicia’s bad screenplay = Nauseating Romance novel soon to be released by HARLEQUIN books = Monkeytoe! = Lee is Patriot

    razor419 (04364e)

  8. Comment by razor419 — 6/24/2011 @ 5:30 pm
    Hey now razor,
    Pious and I have a copyright on that work of literature!!

    I'm Getting a Headache (d77c52)

  9. I would ask – Why the secrecy? Assuming of course he is “real” – that he had an actual teenage daughter to protect – still news organizations do a decent job of protecting identities by distorting voices during interviews, etc.

    Yeah, I think we know that some of the people covering this have been pretty bad to people who asked for anonymity. Remember that email Patriot sent, explaining his personal problems? That was broadcast far and wide. If you assume, for the sake of argument, he was telling the truth, it would make it a lot easier to out him and ruin his life.

    No, only in idiot would rely on this ‘decent job of protecting identities.’

    Some people are more interested in their book deals and personal ambition to really worry too much about anyone’s privacy.

    If John Reid is how he’s claiming to be, then my question for him is if proving Gennette is lying and backstabbing worth the risk that his family will ultimately be exposed. When I’ve tried to put myself in his shoes, that part hasn’t made sense to me. It just doesn’t seem worth it. Can John elaborate on his motivation? What does he intend to accomplish that justifies any further risk?

    Has John Reid or any of his family members (to the best of his knowledge) had any contact with Weiner, his staff, PR firm, law firm etc. at any time since the story broke?

    I like this question, Miranda.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  10. I think a question I’d like answered is about the nature of Mrs. Reid’s earlier statement re: Betty/Nikki’s contact with Weiner? Was that crafted/inspired by a third party PR firm working for the Congressman’s office?

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  11. Comment by razor419 — 6/24/2011 @ 5:30 pm

    LOL

    And good to see you around, man. I hope I haven’t continued to put my IQ in question. :)

    Dustin (c16eca)

  12. Thanks Dustin. The whole issue of the contact with Tommy X is just weird to me. I know I sound obsessive about it – but it’s just strange. They didn’t go to Diane Sawyer, or … wait a minute – I wonder if they were turned down by another media outlet? We need to know how/why TC was contacted.

    Patterico, should we rename “John Reid”? I guess it’s too late for that, but it seems what you’re saying is that it’s possible that there was in fact another real teenage girl (in addition to Ethel), and he’s the father. The girl can’t be “Nikki” for obvious reasons, nor “Veronica” – i.e MarianelaAlicea, who was a sock created by whoever created Betty/Nikki (and Betty’s mom), presumably the “Jenny” who Lee S discussed today.

    Am I getting this right? So did John Reid go along with the ruse to Tommy? with a sock puppet family?! That doesn’t make sense.

    Now, JR could be … Ethel’s real father? Maybe. No. Because you would know that Patterico, correct?

    I’m too confused! And I know it doesn’t have anything to do with that Yuengling & a half I just had. Shootfire.

    Miranda (4104db)

  13. “What questions would you ask him to ascertain whether he is telling the truth?”

    I cannot think of anyway for him to be able to prove his documents are true. Others involved would have to either confirm or deny or someone try to analyze the documents for tampering.

    I think I’d ask if he has given us everything he has or if he has left some pieces to this story out.

    And I also see no way to prove that he has a real teenage daughter who used the starchild account unless he is willing to entrust one trustworthy person in the media with the truth on who they are.

    Hint: An ADA might be an ethical person to confide in. But then again after the Tommy C fiasco some might not believe Pat now.

    tier (4a939c)

  14. If Lee is right, ie all the sockpuppets are Jenny. And each seems to have a different personality. We’re suppose to feel safe, questioning Sybil, on steroids?

    I’ll pass.

    MDr (fd1f4b)

  15. “Why are you wasting my time?”

    SarahW (af7312)

  16. SarahW,

    I said: “Humor me.”

    Patterico (135ea8)

  17. Assuming an alternate, bizarro universe that includes a John Reid, if he loves his daughter, why doesn’t he concentrate more on ending their involvement in this story, that perpetuating it?

    –Dince no one knows his name or her name or what she looks like or where she goes to school or whether she has a dog or not– and ditto for “her” friend with another alias and fictitious picture and unknown address and biography –

    the greatest protection would be to end participation in the story immediately.
    Her reputation isn’t on the line, (although if she were real it could be if he keeps dragging her into it) and Weiner was guilty of what he was guilty of and nothing he does can save HIM from that, either.

    So go away already.

    SarahW (af7312)

  18. “Do you like butter tarts?”

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  19. ASL? (age sex location)
    Pic?
    Ever Sexted Weiner?
    Are you a registered member of a political party?

    Miikeb (b3b2ad)

  20. Boxers or briefs?

    Ever Weinertweeted?

    JD (318f81)

  21. I also see no way to prove that he has a real teenage daughter who used the starchild account unless he is willing to entrust one trustworthy person in the media with the truth on who they are.

    It has to be direct contact at this point. There have been too many fake identities to rely on emailed documents. No one puts enough weight on that level of confirmation in this sockpuppet plot.

    Some people are more interested in their book deals and personal ambition to really worry too much about anyone’s privacy.

    Dustin pointed out the main problem. At this point, what journalist or blogger would be trusted by John Reid? I think Lee has burned that bridge, certainly the JenNYT has nuked herself. I would try to find a non-media intermediary that johnreid and you both trust to validate their identity and their relationship to Nikki(providing she does exist),

    bmertz (d77c52)

  22. But then again after the Tommy C fiasco some might not believe Pat now.

    What does this mean??

    Patterico (135ea8)

  23. Do you read these comments. Seriously. Do you read these comments to prepare for any possible questions?

    Why did you wife move out of the lead to media? Why did you take lead after wife issued statement?

    Have more than one in your family ever spoken on the phone with Tommy?

    Do you run behind a VPN or proxy server?

    Why were there many more DM’s between Nikki and Rep. Weiner than what Mother and “you” claimed in your statement to Tommy?

    Do you have any DM’s that are from Nikki TO weiner/GC? If yes, when will you produce?

    Is your family willing to re-issue a statement now that Rep. Weiner has admitted to inappropriate sexting? Revelations that you were not aware of when you and you wife issue your statement.

    Why go to the length of forgery (Drivers Lic) to protect your family? If Nikki had done nothing inappropriate, why make the decision to forge? Will you reconsider that and produce documentation to me (Patterico) so I can vet and protect you?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  24. Will you meet me in person?

    No = no reason to trust
    Yes = a basis on which to build trust

    Tutu (54ce64)

  25. PaulaConnell is a raging festering rectal fistula.

    JD (318f81)

  26. Patterico, could you ask JohnReid9 to release DMs received from Goatsred?

    Greg (bc8186)

  27. “Why are you wasting my time?”

    Did you see the DMs I published that were allegedly sent by Weiner to Nikki?

    If those are real — and I suspect they are — is that a waste of time?

    They clarify the Ethel contact, and raise all kinds of other questions.

    How is that a waste of time?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  28. __________________________________________

    What questions would you ask him to ascertain whether he is telling the truth?

    1) Do you think Obama is too conservative, too liberal or pretty much down the middle?

    2) Do you think states like New York and California are well managed? Would you say that most of such states’ electorate is sensible and pragmatic?

    3) Do you think George W Bush wasn’t compassionate enough in his conservatism? Do you believe Sarah Palin is too reactionary?

    4) Do you think Bill Clinton was unfairly slammed for Monicagate? Do you believe his wife makes a fine Secretary of State?

    5) Do you think Anthony Weiner is too conservative, too liberal or just about ideal?

    6) Do you believe the state he’s from and its very true-blue nature means it’s a very humane, kind-hearted, sophisticated, generous part of America?

    There are dishonest conservatives, without a doubt. But I think a person who leans left automatically is ahead of the game in that regard. That he or she is a bit more likely to have the honesty and integrity — and situational ethics — of a used-car salesman or ambulance-chasing trial lawyer.

    Mark (411533)

  29. I tried to say something like SarahW’s question in 16, but she wrote it more clearly.

    Something is driving John to communicate with us. Is it really just Gennette and Preston (and the NYT?). Is there a bigger justification?

    I’d also love to know more about how this is affecting his family. His wife and daughter, what are their opinions on this? Do they really support Weiner despite the ‘I was hacked’ aspect of his defense, which seems damn awful to me?

    Has John considered some kind of face to face interview? One thing that would turn this story on its side is if he, his daughter, and his wife, appeared in an interview, but for security’s sake, I would rely on an established news organization (like a local TV station).

    Dustin (c16eca)

  30. His chief complaints seems to be that

    1. GennetteC used his daughter ill, (while his daughter was herself engaged in deception of matching proportions.)

    2. Tommyxtopher (and AB too?) is not getting deserved props

    These seem insufficient reasons for offering up one’s daughter, guilty of foolishness and fakery of her own, to public exposure and scutiny, when the damage is such that it is easily contained to realm of one of life’s lessons.

    A sadder but wiser girl, she learns to be more discreet and discriminating about who she connects with.

    SarahW (af7312)

  31. az5thdstrct,

    Many of your questions are questions I thought of and already asked. Looks like we have a lot of similar thoughts.

    And I have answers, too — but as of yet, no authority to release those answers.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  32. But then again after the Tommy C fiasco some might not believe Pat now.

    Comment by tier

    At no point did Patterico buy into that cannongate crap or otherwise support TC’s view of things. What, specifically are you referring to?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  33. Did your family and Marianela’s family discuss and coordinate using fake twitter pictures and names?

    Why did you your family initially tell Tommy that Breitbart and Loesch behind getting Bornfree to manufacture evidence? Did you have evidence or did Nikki/girls lie about that?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  34. I would ask JohnReid9 to explain input on the the Tommy Christopher piece from June 3rd.

    I would ask JohnReid9 to explain interaction with goatsred related to the DM between starchild111 and RepWeiner

    I would ask about this post available at http://www.c-spanvideo.org/person/36182&apptype=order

    starchild111
    @RepWeiner sorry about eariler. i got msgs that were untrue/lies about u, from that same follower. if u want to see them let me know.
    09:18 May 18

    ltw (370236)

  35. Why did you wife move out of the lead to media? Why did you take lead after wife issued statement?

    Have more than one in your family ever spoken on the phone with Tommy?

    Excellent questions.

    I don’t understand the VPN question, but I must be missing something.

    Why go to the length of forgery (Drivers Lic) to protect your family?

    Is there a link to the forgery? I’m curious how much work went into that.

    I’d also like to know if John knows how Tommy’s reacted towards John and his family in light of the knowledge these aspects were faked.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  36. How did your wife, Patricia Reid, issue that glowing statement of admiration for Anthony Weiner and why do you both continue to admire him, as you’ve said, when you knew that your 16-year-old daughter received personal direct messages (that Reid forwarded to Patterico) from Rep. Weiner that were familiar, flirtatious, and used profanity?

    koam (7c1f46)

  37. On a scale of 1 to Tommy Xtopher, how big of a mendoucheous twatwaffle are you?

    On a scale of 1 to imdw, how douchey is GennetteC?

    JD (318f81)

  38. Bingo JD

    Tutu (54ce64)

  39. Tier, are you implying that john reid will adapt the “guilt by association” approach ? Since One blogger or one media person proved unreliable.. therefore the one case must extend to mean that must mean all of them are unreliable.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  40. 10. Pious Agnostic.

    I already asked Reid that – one of my first questions for him – and he answered that it was Patricia’s words from the heart.

    It’s in the logs from he first started tweeting, a couple of nights ago.

    koam (7c1f46)

  41. On a scale of 1 to imdw,

    I’d put Gennette at no more than a 3 or even a 2. I mean… imdw, man. That’s some weapons grade douche.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  42. How did you make the forged ids?

    MayBee (081489)

  43. Why does GC believe that Nikki used your JR9 twitter accn to communicate with her after story broke? Is that true, and do you have those DM’s from nikki to GC using JR9 accnt?

    Assume you and Marianela’s family have discussed, Why only a statement from Marianela to Tommy and not from one of her parents? Much like your family provided on behalf of an underage girl?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  44. On what date did you close your daughter’s texting, and why? (GennetteC mentioned this in other comments.)

    Sue (24e46b)

  45. and he answered that it was Patricia’s words from the heart.

    Questions for Mr. Reid: Does your wife work in any PR-related field or any other profession requiring the same level of writing composition skills?
    Does your wife work for any political organization?
    Has your wife ever published at a professional level?
    Does your wife work at a university?
    Does your wife for any online media or blog website?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  46. that PR thing always makes me think of this part

    On June 2, Weiner emailed Lee, “Do you need to talk to a professional PR type person to give u advice? I can have someone on my team call.”

    Hilariously, he then added, “[Yeah, my team is doing great. Ugh].”

    It’s unclear if Weiner’s PR team is from his Congressional staff. If so, Weiner could run afoul of House Ethics Rules as well as the law.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  47. It’s unclear if Weiner’s PR team is from his Congressional staff.

    You ought to mail that significant question to the Speaker

    bmertz (d77c52)

  48. When did Nikki start/create (date) her Twitter accnt?

    What do you make of the fact that someone has claimed to creating starchild111 account? That ther is a record of a “jenay” and a “JG” name associated with the account Nikki used? Is this accurate representation?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  49. Yeah, my team is doing great. Ugh

    hahahahahaha

    Dustin (c16eca)

  50. Why haven’t you taken computer access from your daughter, and why aren’t you in hiding if you are so concerend with your family’s privacy? H

    How can you be so angry at an article in the NYT that reflects poorly on an anonymous person? Your daughter’s identity and/or honor cannot be besmirched if you, your wife, and your daughter are the only ones that know that anonymous person is your daughter.

    Susie Q (653074)

  51. When did starchild111 start following @gingerlee?

    ltw (370236)

  52. But then again after the Tommy C fiasco some might not believe Pat now.

    What does this mean??

    Sorry I was off cooking.
    All I meant was that Tommy Christopher implied to the reader that he had factual verification that they existed. So now if Pat was indeed able to prove to himself the validity of their identities as real people with a real teenager who used that account some might not take his word for it because Tommy screwed that up so bad.

    tier (4a939c)

  53. Please excuse any typos in #49.

    *fixes another drink*

    Susie Q (653074)

  54. John, what contact have you had with Gloria Allred and her associates?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  55. Why did you give Nikki a dog that already belonged to Angela’s best friend? Why can’t the girl have her own dog?

    MayBee (081489)

  56. 42. az5thdstrct

    Gennette confirmed that Nikki switched from @starchild111 to @johnreid9 after they closed @starchild111 due to the media attention.

    Evidence of that is in the first batch of messages that Reid sent to us.

    For example http://patterico.com/files/2011/06/10-gennette-reid1.jpg

    koam (7c1f46)

  57. I don’t think we can know for sure who the Reids are or if they are truthful, so I would ask questions to help me understand them better. Like Dustin, my main question is why they are doing this if their main concern is anonymity. They’ve said they want to expose Gennette C. If so, can they be more specific about what Gennette did that made them so angry?

    In addition, Patricia Reid (Mrs. John Reid) claimed she and her husband knew of and approved every comment Nikki left online. Will John Reid confirm that they knew at the time about Nikki’s efforts to get Weiner to be her prom date? Did Patricia know about the many contacts between Nikki, Gennette, and others when she talked to the New York Times and Tommy Christopher?

    Furthermore, Patricia Reid reportedly told Jennifer Preston the BornFreeCrew harassed Nikki and Marianela Alicia. Did Nikki, Patricia and John all feel this way, and do they still? If so, why did they allow this to continue if they were monitoring Nikki’s online discussions?

    Finally, where did Patricia Reid get a (reportedly fake) driver’s license and other IDs? And does she stand by her statement that Anthony Weiner is an “innocent man” who did nothing wrong?

    DRJ (fdd243)

  58. “And I have answers, too — but as of yet, no authority to release those answers”

    Does that imply that you see some sort of ‘authenticity’ in the answers? I’m assuming a ridiculous/obviously made up answer would invalidate any confidentiality agreement made. But maybe I’m reading too much into it.

    East Bay Jay (19f566)

  59. Is your wife embarrassed for that sycophantic nonsense she wrote?

    JD (318f81)

  60. By ‘authenticity’ I really mean a signal or indicator that you’re dealing with someone honest.

    East Bay Jay (19f566)

  61. PS — I see Koam and others have already said much of what I said. Sorry about that.

    DRJ (fdd243)

  62. The Buckley School or Hollywood High?

    Why the ID for a school Nikki didn’t claim to attend?

    MayBee (081489)

  63. Coke or Pepsi?

    JD (318f81)

  64. I wold ask when he is going to be completely honest so I will know when to start listening.

    SusanT (355042)

  65. Fruits or vegetables?

    JD (318f81)

  66. What’s the name of the HS and the prom, that Nikki asked Rep. Weiner to attend. Not Buckley, but a HS Nikki’s uncle teaches? (GC stated she would remember if she heard it again, meaning Nikki has been willing to disclose))

    If your wife was willing to “speak/communicate” with Tommy, can she now communicate with me?

    Is your family getting threats? Does that mean someone has learned who your family is? Alicia Pain claims she contacted you. Is that true? Which means you may need protection.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  67. Have you no shame?

    JD (318f81)

  68. Were you surprised at Weiner’s utter hairlessness?

    MayBee (081489)

  69. Truth or Dare

    Tutu (54ce64)

  70. MayBee – he has not reached puberty yet.

    JD (318f81)

  71. 61. MayBee

    I don’t understand the question. I thought that Nikki claimed to go to Hollywood High and that’s the ID that they produced. Tommy C verified that the mom’s address matched the district for Hollywood High.

    And that Buckley School came out later?
    Here it says that the girls had friends (facebook or twitter) at Buckley. http://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/

    koam (7c1f46)

  72. koam- She didn’t provide any evidence, but Gennette said Nikki claimed she went to Buckley. Who knows? Might get an interesting answer.

    MayBee (081489)

  73. MayBee – if a guy gets a Brazilian, or shaves chest, arms, legs, does that make him teh ghey, or just a potential Weinertweeter?

    JD (318f81)

  74. Koam,
    I posted that quote you asked for [ re: AB and Nikki’s mom ] on the old thread. Sorry for the delay.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  75. Is Buckley a creative arts school? Their web page gave that impression. Ask him if “Nikki” is in their creative writing program.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  76. How does all of this mesh with Lee’s claims from earlier today?

    JD (318f81)

  77. What I would ask him and verifying his identity seem like different things. I would want verification of things Nikki Reed said privately to other people, so I would ask for things they would know and then double check it with them. I don’t know how you can verify the identity of someone whose identity is unknown (and I don’t think it is 100% necessary if you can verify that they are indeed behind or associated with those involved from the beginning).

    What I would ask:

    1) Why the alias?
    2) How many people are behind the Reed accounts?
    3) Were these accounts set up to contact Weiner? To what purpose?
    4) Do you know who is behind the threatening messages, or have any ideas who the sender or their purported client may be?
    5) What do you know about the #Bornfree crew? Are you behind any of those names? If so, to what purpose?
    6) What is your opinion on the following people, what do you think their role/motivation is in this story: Genette, Ethel, Weiner, Patriot76/”Dan Wolfe”, the other #bornfree crew people, Ginger Lee.

    DM! (51443b)

  78. If you/your family did receive a threat from Alicia Pain, why not contact the authorities? (Assume Patterico would advise) that not to succumb to the threat and best to protect family is to contact authorities to investigate.

    In your wife’s statement from you and her. You claimed that is the “girls images or names” were reveald of posted on any media/blogs you would sue. Why did your family make that assertion, knowing the names/images were fake? Were you just trying to get the media from finding out your real id’s? If so, then why did Nikki tell Tommy initially that Breitbart and Loesch were trying to get nikki and Marianela to manufacture evidence? That’s a big charge. And a assessed decision to reveal that info yhat your family knew would bring a spotlight?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  79. On a scale of 1 to Mommy Dearest, how crappy of a parent are you?

    JD (318f81)

  80. Were you surprised at Weiner’s utter hairlessness?

    Comment by MayBee

    :(

    Dustin (c16eca)

  81. On a scale of 1 to Mary Mapes/Dan Rather, how stupid is Tommy Xtopher?

    JD (318f81)

  82. On a scale of 1 to Mommy Dearest, how crappy of a parent are you?

    Give him a break. he’s only 20 points below Ethel’s parents. OF course Ethel’s parents..

    bmertz (d77c52)

  83. 73. bmertz
    thanks.

    Colby never fails to disappoint.

    koam (7c1f46)

  84. I’d ask to talk on the phone. If Mr. Reid sounds like Mrs. Reid I think it would answer the important questions.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  85. Who wrote your wife’s letter? I sure could usemsomeone that comes up with good material like that.

    Jay Carney (318f81)

  86. JD, I knew a guy who was a swimmer back in college who insisted that shaving his body made him “swim faster.”

    I came home one day to find his “best female friend” shaving his legs for him in the shower.

    Call me crazy, but people have all kinds of kinks in their psychological garden hoses. NTTIAWWT.

    Weiner is no competitive swimmer. So the waxing has entered that whole Brain Chlorox territory of things I do not wish to know (because I cannot un-know them).

    Simon Jester (c45c4c)

  87. You are welcome koam. I don’t feel I have contributed much compared to the massive digging done many commenters. So, I was glad to be of help.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  88. UPDATE: I am chatting with JohnReid9 right now. Any questions you have? He is willing to answer.

    And he is sending me more stuff, as we speak.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  89. Simon – I did so when I swam, and when I did triathlons. But I am weird 😉

    JD (318f81)

  90. Patterico – ask him any of my on a scale of 1 to douchenozzle questions 😉

    JD (318f81)

  91. I have no questions, because you’ve all asked them, but I’m fascinated.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  92. Wait, I do have one question: what was up with those fake id’s, and where did they come from?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  93. I would ask him if deep down inside he really thinks he is more clever than those trying to get the full story out.

    Enigmaticore (491183)

  94. So we can assume Alicia Pain was incorrect in stating:

    I have relayed my disappointment to Mr. Reid (not his real name) as well. She has decided she will respect my concerns.

    Since “he’s” now providing more info? As what is John’s take that Alicia claimed he was a she?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  95. Would JR9 take Patterico’s offer (only if Patterico offered) to help Mr. Reid in protecting his family and investigating the alleged threat Alicia Pain delivered to Mr. Reid? Now that Mr. Reid has decided to reveal more info.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  96. Is he reading the comments & the articles here?

    Just by-the-by, I see Ms. GC is nowhere to be found this evening. I thought she had questions for “John Reid”. Ha.

    Miranda (4104db)

  97. Does anyone (I’m very, very late to this, as my work internet connection has been down) really believe in Alicia Pain as anything but some publicity-hound nut?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  98. I’m just commenting here to get rid of a sock.

    MayBee (081489)

  99. #95 – Miranda – Ha!

    Yes, Ms. C’s absence is notable.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  100. If all the clever people have gone to bed, I seriously want to know if John Reid9 feels that he has any control over this story any more?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  101. Ask Mr. Reid if he’s Willing to pass on a message to Marianela’s parents to contact me (Patterico). At least get Marianela’s Parents to DIRECTLY communicate to Patterico they prefer not to (or willing to) communicate with Patterico, DIRECTLY

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  102. –Of all the journos in the world how did Tommy Christopher get chosen to be “the one” your wife worked with?

    –Did someone suggest or recommend Tommy to you?

    –did you and you wife discuss other possible journos to work with besides Tommy? If so, who?

    –Did you discuss your choice of Tommy Christopher with anyone outside your “family” before Patricia contacted him?

    Did you contact any other journos who refused or punted on your story that the girls made it all up?

    elissa (2ea031)

  103. Thanks, Patterico, for the effort to get to the truth and provide a forum for different people to get to truth. Hope all the questioning helps the “Reids” or “Reid” find a way forward and responsibly correct the public record.

    ltw (370236)

  104. Indeed, elissa at #101. Why on earth would one pick Tommy Christopher? Did the family know him?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  105. Was this a highly amateur attempt to embarrass the “bornfreecrew” or anyone else they could rope in? Because there doesn’t seem to be a more coherent explanation – to me, anyway.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  106. Impatiently awaiting more material.

    This is more fun that three of the novels I’m currently bored to death reading.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  107. How about just a simple question… John Reid, can you call me on the phone so I can ask questions since you stated you’re willing (via Patterico: ‘He is willing to answer‘)?

    Your name is already revealed or really protected. Nothing I (Patterico) can gather from you ID wise. How about a phone call?

    Of Course, I assuming Patterico and John Reid have not spoke on the phone. I may have missed.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  108. Patrick – the document dumps weren’t a waste of time, but this Interview….

    I understand the satisfaction of knowing more about what people involvedl wrote to the socks, and the interest in locating the puppeteers to determine motive or intention, since there has been so much speculation.

    But it’s too late baby, i ‘ve tried a d I just can’t fake it.

    You are chatting with a fiction, there is no John Reid, just a malicious and/ or disturbed person pretending to be someone that person is not.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  109. Knowing now what you did not know then, would your wife still have said the same sycophantic gibberish to Tommy Christopher?

    JD (318f81)

  110. Mr. Reid. In hindsight. Don’t you find this DM to your daughter rather troubling? Would you like to make a comment for me to protray?

    Weiner DM to Nikki:
    i find it very amusing. i love fucking with them.
    Direct message sent by Anthony Weiner (@RepWeiner) to you (@starchild111) on May 16, 10:26 AM.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  111. Mr. Reid,

    If Tommy Christopher agrees, would you be willing to submit any DM’s between you and Tommy? Goes towards corroborating your “insightful” story.

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  112. If the BAU folks from Criminal Minds were to profile you, what would they come up with?

    JD (318f81)

  113. hey patterico –

    can you confirm you have had contact with john reid since alicia pain made this claim?

    “I have relayed my disappointment to Mr. Reid (not his real name) as well. She has decided she will respect my concerns.”

    razor419 (04364e)

  114. If the BAU folks from Criminal Minds were to profile you, what would they come up with?

    Comment by JD

    What point would you like to extract from our unfortunate UNSUB?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  115. sorry… missed the update.

    razor419 (04364e)

  116. Razor, do you believe one single syllable “Alicia Pain” wrote? Honestly?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  117. Mr. Reid was it a fact that your family formalized a pre-conceived plan to drop off communications with Tommy Christopher? Knowing your family had supplied forged Identification to Mr. Christopher?

    Was it a fact that part of that plan was to drop communication with Mr. Christopher before Mr. Christopher finally decided to get help and independently check your family’s ID with state of CA?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  118. az5thdstrct – #115 – Could you make up your mind whether you’re asking “John Reid9″ to communicate, or if you hate “him”? Please?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  119. hey patterico –

    can you confirm you have had contact with john reid since alicia pain made this claim?

    “I have relayed my disappointment to Mr. Reid (not his real name) as well. She has decided she will respect my concerns.”

    I am in contact with JohnReid9 at this very moment. However, he is busy sending me more emails and DMs and I want him to focus on that job.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  120. More info! Yay! When can we see it?

    Bored human. With a very sore shoulder that’s keeping me from sleeping, so I’m bored. Info.

    Distract me, please. I hate pain.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  121. Dianna…

    Hate? Not sure where that came from? I’am asking questions. That was Patterico’s request.

    I can’t hate anyone I’ve never met, seen, or know

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  122. I think she was referring to something she is experiencing.

    JD (318f81)

  123. I’ve liked az5’s questions. I mean, come on… even if you’re trying to give benefit of the doubt, which I’ve tried (which mixed success) with both Gennette and John, you can’t pretend these questions aren’t looming.

    I assume and hope that John realizes we’d naturally be a bit skeptical. After all, he’s trying to fix that.

    Anyway, I think if John is a hoaxer, they probably want to just explain the whole thing. Their motivation is probably not evil at all, either. And if he’s not a hoaxer, then he probably wants to know how he can convince us, and now he’s got a better feel for that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  124. Among the material I am being sent:

    From Gennette to Nikki:

    Rep Weiner is hot. The funny thing is that when he first followed me I totally flirted with him & he flirted right back! It was hot.

    I’m sure Gennette would call this psy-ops.

    Still, the full story of why she would think Nikki was so fake as to think it was a good idea to send this . . . is not anything I’m fully understanding based on what I know so far.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  125. Who would win in a fight; Superman or Mighty Mouse?

    steve (b15e37)

  126. You and me both, Patterico.

    MayBee (081489)

  127. Gennette sent that to an apparent minor under the theory she was a conservative troll of some kind, and though she claims she has sent proof for why she knew this to the NYT, she won’t show it to us.

    And Weiner was OK with this ‘operation’.

    What a strange couple of people.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  128. If “life” is a series of chemical reactions bounded from the exterior world by a semi-permeable membrane – then what the hell is Larry King?!!

    steve (b15e37)

  129. Another alleged DM from Gennette to Nikki:

    How come you never talk about Rep Weiner? Don’t you want to talk about him with me?

    Because, you know. Nikki was always so obsessive about Weiner and Gennette noticed this.

    Gennette. Who noticed the VERY DAY Ethel followed Weiner and DM’d Nikki about it.

    Gennette. A 20-something who SINGLE-HANDEDLY, through a couple of innocent non-collaborative DMs, got Weiner to believe Nikki was not a high school girl — so that he felt comfortable using the term “fucking” in a DM to a purported high school girl.

    Gennette, Gennette, Gennette.

    Seriously.

    You think this makes sense?

    Seriously?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  130. and for those of us not on Twitter, a crash course on how it works

    You say something about how hot a certain congressman is, he follows you, then you get a pic of his erection. Simple, really.

    Lisa (79a06b)

  131. Rielle first flirted with John Reid Edwards by telling him he was “so hot”. These middle aged male politicians sure do seem to need a lot of reinforcement. They respond to the hot word from total strangers like Pavlov’s dogs.

    elissa (2ea031)

  132. Gennette, Gennette, where art thou?

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  133. I still think “Jenay” and how the name Gennette would be prounounced in the french way is more than a coincidence –in a case rife with more than its share of coincidences and names with hidden meanings.

    elissa (2ea031)

  134. My Q: How long can an issue be resuscitated before it takes on an air of obsession/desperation?

    tifosa (bc9cba)

  135. Ha. I bet Gennette told Tommy C she thought he was HOT too. Sucka.

    Miranda (4104db)

  136. Another:

    “obsessed? how big an obsession?” And I said, “Big.” And he said, “That’s not the only thing that’s big.” Ah I LOVE this man!

    More coming every minute.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  137. Option 1:
    Gennette told Nikki how hot she thought Anthony Weiner was, but never told Weiner this.
    Gennette got a weiner pic out of the blue.

    Option 2:
    Gennette told Nikki how hot she thought Weiner was, but didn’t tell Weiner.
    Nikki told Weiner what Gennette had said OR Nikki was a weird sock of Weiner himself.
    Gennette got a picture because Weiner thought she’d welcome one.

    Option 3:
    Gennette told Weiner how hot she thought he was.
    Gennette got a weiner pic just like every other woman who told him he was hot.

    Que es mas likely?

    MayBee (081489)

  138. Jenay … Jenny …. Genny … Gennette …

    Hell hath no fury?

    Miranda (4104db)

  139. Hey I just caught this on Twitter:

    “@NealRauhauser
    Neal Rauhauser “Luluzcow Lee .@Stranahan” – kinda has a ring to it. The ring of truth. #Weinergate will burn Big Government yet. Morons.”

    I know that Neal is bad news. Why would he say that? Strange.

    Be careful Patterico. Be wary of traps.

    Miranda (4104db)

  140. Gennette in French is…Gennette, the ending pronounced just like in English, same as Claudette or Paulette. To be pronounced “ay” it would be -et on the end instead of -ette, like Monet.

    Lisa (79a06b)

  141. FYI

    This article says Gennette was personally photographed and interviewed for this story:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bitter_tweet_affair_has_co_ed_worn_qCnymOy6zYIBGkdJhLyw1M

    “I just want this to be over,” she told The Post yesterday during an exclusive photo shoot and interview near her Bellingham, Wash., college campus.

    scoovy (c1f735)

  142. Miranda–

    Interesting about Neal’s tweet. I see what you mean. He’s sort of a progressive social engineer. There’s this from 2008:

    http://the-classic-liberal.com/democratic-consultant-neal-rauhauser-pedophilia-themed-tea-party/

    elissa (2ea031)

  143. Uhh, sorry, that debunked smear is from 2010. Some beandogs pranked the tea party in spectacular fashion. Don’t know who is doing Stranahan & Breitbart now, but the patterns are familiar, couldn’t happen to a nicer couple of guys.

    Neal Rauhauser (99048c)

  144. Bob & duck, deflect & deceive.

    Oh, what a tangled web the wicked weave.

    Miranda (4104db)

  145. Still, the full story of why she would think Nikki was so fake as to think it was a good idea to send this

    Nikki seemed fake because she was interested in who followed Rep Weiner, had no Facebook, and no friends on Twitter.
    So declared the girl who was interested in who followed Rep Weiner, has no Facebook, and has 41 followers on Twitter.

    MayBee (081489)

  146. Neal Rauhauser has no shame whatsoever, a disgusting little leftist POS.

    JD (318f81)

  147. Clearly this is a plot to take down the reichwingerz. It has nothing to do with the fat that progressive douchebag Weinertweeter got his jollies westing with college girls and sending out pix of his in various stages of undress. Rauhauser wants this to be about Breitbart, and not about how Weinertweeter was protected by the MFM.

    JD (318f81)

  148. Elissa – he appears to be just another race-baiting crunchy leftist enviro whacko, who has engaged in some pretty nasty activities online. I blame Illinois.

    JD (318f81)

  149. Patterico. Per you twitter question asking – who has spoken to GC on phone (perhaps in person)

    Perhaps you can contact Emily Huntington – Editor of Horizon Whatcom Community College “paper”, Bellingham WA, where GC had contributed to. I’m sure Ms. Huntington could vouch for GC OR not rather quickly.

    Ms.Huntington has written a couple of posts discussing weinergate.

    http://www.whatcomhorizon.com/2011/06/twitter-scandal/

    http://www.whatcomhorizon.com/2011/05/horizon-response-to-national-news-story/

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  150. Gotta love that Breitbart walk-on at Weiner’s confessional presser.

    Greatest ever.

    And then Benjy’s questions.

    koam (7c1f46)

  151. Tommy Xtopher is writing a mystery and he is playing the part of all the people involved, except Weiner, who was actually stupid enough to send his dicpic. Any female voice on the phone is his second cousin twice removed on his ex-wife’s side. Yes, that’s crazy, but how will we ever know anything is the truth? Even face to face, we won’t know who is lying and who isn’t.

    I love mysteries and can’t wait to hear the ending. It will be a doozy, I’m sure.

    PatAZ (cbd20d)

  152. Hello all John Reid here. Thank you for taking the time to provide questions. I wanted to get on earlier but was busy sending everything to Patterico. I’ll do my best to answer you. If you would like follow-up questions or don’t understand an answer or need clarification, I’ll try my best to give you all that too. I only as respect. I didn’t come here to insult anyone or argue. Patterico asked me to do this and I agreed. So with that, let’s try and have a civil discussion. Thank you all.

    John Reid (445c9c)

  153. Why don’t you start, JohnReid9, by answering some of the questions above. Meanwhile, I’ll send out the alert that you’re here.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  154. Hi John, did anyone around Anthony Weiner contact you about not talking to the press?

    julian b (b33ef1)

  155. John Reid,

    If you’re who you say you are — and I doubt it — and you’re using an anonymous handle to protect the reputation your daughter, who also didn’t use the name of a real person online, why are you drawing attention to this, and why are you publishing online messages which may have included her part in any inappropriate conversations, albeit with her being the alleged victim, since she is under age?

    Why are you not either:

    1. adopting a low profile for the understandable purpose of letting this go away and protecting your daughter’s reputation?

    or:

    2. if justice is your motivation for your daughter, working closely with law enforcement and their forensic computer experts?

    Random (52ce7f)

  156. 55.Why did you give Nikki a dog that already belonged to Angela’s best friend? Why can’t the girl have her own dog?

    Comment by MayBee — 6/24/2011 @ 7:03 pm

    I have choked,choked and choked again. Kudos to you MayBee. I haven’t laughed in two days. You broke the spell.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  157. hmmmm…

    Are you going to actually answer the questions asked?

    Susie Q (653074)

  158. GC, via link
    Oh yeah, “Wahhhhhh”

    “My friends have received phone calls from people claiming to be old friends of mine, attempting to obtain my contact information. My siblings have received tweets that are similar in nature. I began taking steps, though not quickly enough, to remove as much personal information from the Internet as possible.

    Not because I “was exposed as Weiner’s mistress” or because I “was responsible for the hack,” as Gawker has suggested. I removed my information because I, believe it or not, do not enjoy being harassed or being the reason that my loved ones are targets of harassment.

    I have seen myself labeled as the “Femme Fatale of Weinergate,” “Anthony Weiner’s 21-year-old coed mistress” and “the self-proclaimed girlfriend of Anthony Weiner.”

    All of this is so outlandish that I don’t know whether to be pissed off or amused, quite frankly. This is the reality of sharing information online in the 21st century. Things that I never imagined people would care about are now being plastered all over blog sites, including pictures of me from when I was 17 and tweets that have been taken completely out of context. I tweeted once (it was reported that I said it twice) that “I wonder what my boyfriend @RepWeiner is up to.

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  159. Well, he said he was coming right over!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  160. Just chatted with him — says he got disconnected. Will work on them.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  161. John Reid –
    As you can imagine, most of us are skeptical of your identity and your motivations. That said, certainly we should be able to have a civil discussion.

    I would like you to detail how & why you all came to give your story to Tommy Christopher. Who submitted identification from your family (please confirm – wife & your teenage daughter), and in what form?

    What form of communication between you all & Tommy did you use? Please identify all. When is the last time you talked to Tommy?

    Did any other media organizations contact you, or did you contact any (such as the NYT)?

    Thank you.

    Miranda (4104db)

  162. John Reid, here. My answers in bold underneath each question.

    I would ask – Why the secrecy? Assuming of course he is “real” – that he had an actual teenage daughter to protect – still news organizations do a decent job of protecting identities by distorting voices during interviews, etc.
    Thank you for your questions Miranda. Well, theres a lot going on behind the scenes that I’ve revealed to Patterico and Tommy. It isn’t just about the Reid family. It involves the Alicea family as well. I can’t say more without hurting these people. I thank Tommy and Patterico for respecting that.

    And who initiated contact with Tommy Christopher – and how was it done? Was there a third party who knew both Christopher & “John Reid” or one of the “Reid family”?
    Nikki initiated contact with Tommy Christopher. Patterico will be releasing those emails. As you will see from her emails to Tommy, her reason for contacting him was that she saw an injustice in the way Rep Weiner was being treated and the way Gennette (who she considered her friend) was being treated. Nikki wanted to help both Gennette and Rep Weiner. You will be able to read specifics soon in those emails Patterico will be releasing.
    And please identify each & every form of contact with Tommy Christopher – phone calls, emails, twitter, video?, etc. Also were any other media/press engaged or contacted?
    There were phone calls with Tommy and my wife, there were emails with Tommy and Nikki and Tommy and my wife, There were twitter DM’s with Tommy and Nikki. Other media tried to contact Nikki but Tommy was a good hearted person, we trusted him. We did not mean to hurt him and we regret the way we handled that situation with respect to the IDs. It was not meant to be cruel. There is a reason (I’ve filled Patterico in on this) but I don’t want to try and back out of this by saying it’s an excuse. I agree that there is no excuse for our behavior. I apologize on behalf of my family. I understand if others cannot forgive us. We deserve that.

    Has John Reid or any of his family members (to the best of his knowledge) had any contact with Weiner, his staff, PR firm, law firm etc. at any time since the story broke?
    We have not had any contact with Weiner, his staff, PR Firm, law firm or any other person or persons that are connected to Weiner. Those statements people view as being written by Weiner and his team were written by my wife and daughter and her friend. Weiener and anyone connected to him has not contacted us and we have not contacted him. We were speaking from the heart with the information we had at the time – this was prior to his confession, remember.

    Please feel free to follow-up with me Miranda. Thank you for your questions. JR

    Thanks Patterico!

    Comment by Miranda — 6/24/2011

    John Reid (35c8ef)

  163. BTW, if you are “real”, you & your family certainly have my sympathy. I can’t imagine being caught up in the nightmare that has been Weinergate.

    But sunshine is the best disinfectant, and the truth is the best tale told.

    Miranda (4104db)

  164. “Just chatted with him — says he got disconnected. Will work on them.”

    I hear that AOL-style dial-up internet everyone’s on these days is a b— to deal with.

    Random (52ce7f)

  165. I vote for you to be amused. It’s difficult to have a serious conversation when half the people involved are being serious twits. If you can ignore the specious idiots, there are people who are seriously and genuinely interested and don’t believe everyone has ulterior motives.

    Schuyler (dc6ac3)

  166. Neal, did you send the stuff about me to the FBI yet? You know, the info you had that said I hacked Weiners account? You put it out there and if you did, it must be true,right Neal? Because if its on KOS, it has to be fact. Right Neal?

    I saw the screencap. Just wanted to make sure.

    Also do you still post…………………………………………………………………on the internet??

    goatsred (c1f2f8)

  167. John – How do you see the “end game” playing out in this saga?

    Jan (fd5949)

  168. Protection of the “Alicea family” would not be necessary but for you putting forward the story.

    SarahW (af7312)

  169. I wrote my “AOL-syle internet” comment before refreshing the page and realizing ‘John Reid’ had responded to several questions already. I apologize for any snark, but it’s tough to pass up a chance to reminisce on just how awful AOL internet truly was. 😉

    Random (52ce7f)

  170. John Reid here, my answers are in bold.
    “Why are you wasting my time?”
    Hi Sarah thanks for taking the time to ask a question. I understand your frustration and skepticism and obviously have every right to your own conclusions on this matter. All I can say is there are times in life were you think you might have all the answers and information comes out after the fact that flips this on its head. This is of course an unusual situation from the very beginning in all aspects. I’m trying my best with these releasing all communications through Patterico. You obviously owe me nothing. I cannot ask you to keep an open mind. But perhaps the more information you become aware of the more you might be apt to re-examine things. Thanks, Sarah for your questions. Feel free to follow-up.
    Comment by SarahW — 6/24/2011 @ 6:01 pm

    John Reid (35c8ef)

  171. The thing I have a problem with is the notion that Weiner was being treated badly for sending dic (and other) pics around. Excuse me? What is the proper protocol for how to behave toward a married member of Congress who sends pictures of his package in public?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  172. John Reid, I’m afraid I’m a bit of a bore on this, but I am really troubled by the fake ID.

    Why would your family give fake IDs to Tommy Christopher, whom you’re describing as a “good hearted person”, whose reputation has suffered?

    Where did those fake IDs come from?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  173. It’s not that you can’t be “forgiven”, it that you should not be believed – falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

    SarahW (af7312)

  174. I haven’t laughed in two days. You broke the spell.

    xoxo, Goatsred

    MayBee (081489)

  175. John Reid,

    “It isn’t just about the Reid family. It involves the Alicea family as well. I can’t say more without hurting these people.”

    But by keeping this in front of the public and providing more details, you are almost certainly bringing about a chain of events that will involve the Alicea family in a way you claim not to want, even if it’s someone else’s investigation or statement that pulls the trigger on the hurt you say you wish to prevent.

    Why not … just go to the cops instead of to bloggers and the media?

    How can we believe that not hurting the Alicea family is of great importance to you, when even writing that strongly implies something that would hurt the Alicea family?

    Random (52ce7f)

  176. Thanks for your answers John.

    I’m assuming you’ve kept up with Patterico’s excellent reporting on Weiner & your family etc. Do you have any idea who “Alicia Pain” really is, the woman/man who wrote the threatening letter that Patterico posted?

    I’m also getting the feeling that you are waiting for something. Are you waiting for someone’s identity to be revealed? What do you want to see happen in this saga, for you to feel that “justice” has been done, and so you & your family can return to normal life?

    Do you feel threatened or in danger in any way? Have you had to contact the FBI or other law enforcement agency?

    Thanks John.

    Miranda (4104db)

  177. So why are you here, Sarah? Is your roll just to make things more difficult? Disrupt the flow of communication? Draw attention to yourself? Why are you wasting OUR time?

    Schuyler (dc6ac3)

  178. When questioned about her lack of picture and school friends on her twitter account, she invented both – used stranger’s photo, and made up stories about the dog.

    Because she lied, she’s a liar.

    Marianela’s profile was invented at the same time. Her picture was also appropriated from a foreign website. She linked to a school she does not attend.

    Tommy caught Nikki in lies that were explained away, to his satisfaction, apparently, but it turns out that Marianela’s persona did not make up any information about DM’s. They really exist. You have offered them up. That means her statement was false.

    Falsus in uno, Falsus in omnibus.

    SarahW (af7312)

  179. Let him address the lying.

    SarahW (af7312)

  180. REid said he can’t be forgiven. Anyone can be forgiven. Believed is another thing. Why does he demand to be believed, and his daughter’s statements taken as truthful, when there is a justiffied and reasonable basis for doubt

    Why the degree of indignance? Shouldn’t there necessarily be contririon and no expectation of being believed?

    SarahW (af7312)

  181. Hi John

    It’s @wittier / koam.

    Many people ask how I leave open the possibility of believing that you and your family remain Weiner supporters even after all this. They have learned from the media, such as NYT, that Nikki was plotting against Weiner, as you well know. Others find it confusing that you are both for Weiner and against Jen Preston’s reporting at the Times and that you are Pro-Weiner and even proposed in a tweet this week that you’d support talking to one of Andrew Breitbart’s Big sites to tell your story. (So they think your motivations have reversed and reversed again from conservative to liberal to conservative…so you must be conservative) Can you clarify that?

    Also, one of the things revealed in your documents was that DMs from Weiner to 16-year-old Nikki were familiar, arguably flirtatious, and profane. Even many liberal parents would not want a strange adult speaking in those terms to their daughter. How do you explain your position regarding the content of DMs from Weiner to Nikki that you released this week?

    koam (7c1f46)

  182. 166.Neal, did you send the stuff about me to the FBI yet? You know, the info you had that said I hacked Weiners account? You put it out there and if you did, it must be true,right Neal? Because if its on KOS, it has to be fact. Right Neal?

    I saw the screencap. Just wanted to make sure.

    Also do you still post…………………………………………………………………on the internet??

    Comment by goatsred — 6/25/2011 @ 3:27 pm
    ______________________________________

    173.I haven’t laughed in two days. You broke the spell.

    xoxo, Goatsred

    Comment by MayBee — 6/25/2011 @ 3:35 pm
    ________________________________________

    Hang in there, Goatsred!

    I’ve been supporting ya all the way!

    Juan (7c7901)

  183. MR. Reid.

    I have submitted several questions. You can read them at comments:

    #23 #33 #43 #48 #66 #78 #94 #101 #107 #110 #117

    Look forward to some of your answers regarding.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  184. I have a daughter, albeit she is a little younger than the women receiving Weiner pics. The thing is, to my mind, his sending of such pictures is no different than if my daughter visited his office, he pulled down his pants to show his bulge through his underwear, got caught, and tried to claim his pants were “hacked”. With cell phones and cameras, it simply allows him to pull down his pants and expose himself to girls thousands of miles away from his office. The distance doesn’t matter, that act is the same.

    If the girls involved in this did not specifically request a picture like that, how is this any different than if he had pulled his pants down in their presence? I know most places have laws against that sort of thing. What are the laws in the jurisdiction where Weiner was located when he did this?

    Mr Reid, to your knowledge, did any of the girls encourage Weiner to send them pictures of his junk?

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  185. Sarahw…john Reid is talking and I would like to listen. I think he has a daughter who he is trying to help. Gennette also could use some help from someone older who cares about her. Some of us parents have had to deal with a kid who has run into trouble on the big wide web.

    Ltw (77a7c9)

  186. Koam, that is well done. I’ve been trying to frame a question about the initial “I’ve got DMs from Weiner to Nikki” approach (followed by Weiner supporting statements that read like a professional PR firm wrote them) that makes sense.

    The closest I’ve gotten is, “Were the girls (Nikki and Marianela) trying a sting? If so, did you know about it?”

    Dianna (f12db5)

  187. John Reid:

    When did you become aware of Nikki & your wife’s communications with Tommy Christopher?

    Rocks (5241c6)

  188. John,

    I understand the criticism that you expressed regarding Jen Preston’s reporting about Nikki in the NY Times. I think Patterico’s reporting on this underscores why you’d be as upset as you expressed in your tweets.

    The other target your derision was Gennette. And while we understand that your family’s opinion, and rightly so, is that Gennette betrayed Nikki by voicing suspicions about Nikki to Weiner while simultaneously playing close older friend and confidant to Nikki. Of course a 16-year-old would be absolutely crushed by that.

    But it’s been weeks now. And you’re a grown man and a father. We take it from your and your wife’s communications that you are educated and articulate, possibly privileged members of society. Nikki may go to a selective private school. Yet the wording in your tweets about Gennette this week sounded like that of the furious teenage girl living in the moment of outrage, not of her educated dad a month later. How do you explain the language (“backstabbing, two-faced,” etc.) and passion level in your tweets regarding Gennette?

    @wittier / koam

    koam (7c1f46)

  189. This is starting to strike me as jumping-the-shark. This guy(?) could be offering bona fides to someone he respects who could most thoroughly vet him. Instead we’re playing 20 questions. S/he seems to be dribbling out information like Genette. I’ve been watching this soap opera, transfixed, and I’ve nothing but admiration for the digging done by Patterico, Stranahan and others, but I fear we’re at the stage where sockpuppet(s) are controlling the narrative. I suspect they will present the image they want as lasting, and then vanish. Or am I missing something?

    jeff (707f3d)

  190. John,

    In her e-mail to Tommy Christopher, your wife wrote:

    And concerning a certain adult actress, we would like to add that this girl did nothing wrong. If you actually read her blog it is about politics and chronic illness. My husband and I read it together with our daughter. Again, ask yourself what your own personal prejudices and hangups are before you make accusations.

    You insist you’ve had no contact with Weiner’s people, and that this letter was not a hastily written attempt at PR. So… are we really supposed to believe that you read a porn star’s blog with your teenage daughter?

    You sit there with her and read things like “suggestions from a stripper”? You sit there with Nikki and view near-nude pics of Ms. Lee dressed as a schoolgirl with only her hand covering her breasts?

    Really?

    SlipperyPete (f59893)

  191. Comment by SlipperyPete — 6/25/2011 @ 4:23 pm

    is this from the Mother’s public statement that Tommy published?

    Rocks (5241c6)

  192. Rocks, yes.

    “Weird” was my initial response.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  193. Comment by Dianna — 6/25/2011 @ 4:40 pm

    oh, okay. I thought he had seen an actual email from the Mother to Tommy.

    Rocks (5241c6)

  194. Just in case need for reference. Handy statement to refer to: Mother’s public statement that Tommy published:

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbart-did-not-run-weinergate-evidence-which-turned-out-to-be-fabricated/5/

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  195. oh, okay. I thought he had seen an actual email from the Mother to Tommy.

    Comment by Rocks

    Prior to reading that statement, I had not read GL’s blog. I couldn’t imagine (given some of the material) the parents of a teen-age girl reading it with her. No matter how “enlightened” they might be.

    So I think my “hang-ups” are quite middle-of-the-road and conventional.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  196. Hang in there, Goatsred!

    I’ve been supporting ya all the way!

    Comment by Juan — 6/25/2011 @ 3:46

    Thank you very much!!

    goatsred (b20383)

  197. John my question is would you be willing to call into a blog talk radio station and answer questions? You could block your number so who ever did the blog talk radio broad cast didn’t know your number. It’s easy to make things up when you have time to write a response.

    This forum actually makes me believe you less and not more. You’re here to answer questions so we believe you are who you say you are but you’ve hardly answered any pertinent questions.

    I can’t help but notice all those who want to stay out of the light have family problems going on. Sounds pretty similar to Dan Wolfe’s reason for anonymity.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  198. John, why does Gennette keep claiming you’re fake, Nikki’s fake, etc?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  199. John Reid…others have asked the same question I had regarding reading Ginger lees blog as a family. When did starchild111 start following @gingerlee? Also when did you and mrs Reid give starchild111 permission to follow @repweiner and if not when did you find out @starchild111 was following @repweiner. When did you find out @repweiner had followed @starchild111?

    Ltw (77a7c9)

  200. John,

    In her e-mail to Tommy Christopher, your wife wrote:

    And concerning a certain adult actress, we would like to add that this girl did nothing wrong. If you actually read her blog it is about politics and chronic illness. My husband and I read it together with our daughter. Again, ask yourself what your own personal prejudices and hangups are before you make accusations.

    You insist you’ve had no contact with Weiner’s people, and that this letter was not a hastily written attempt at PR. So… are we really supposed to believe that you read a porn star’s blog with your teenage daughter?

    You sit there with her and read things like “suggestions from a stripper”? You sit there with Nikki and view near-nude pics of Ms. Lee dressed as a schoolgirl with only her hand covering her breasts?

    Really?

    Comment by SlipperyPete — 6/25/2011 @ 4:23 pm

    Hi Pete and others asking this same question. Let’s clarify a few things. Our daughter asked Ginger Lee how she got Rep Weiner to follow her. At the time Rep Weiner was following only a handful of people. I think the number was somewhere areound 80-90. Nikki wanted to know how to get followed by him because he was a hero of hers. So she followed a few of his followers to ask something like, “Hey, how in the world did you get Rep Weiner to follow you?” What does it take to get in that club type of thing. She really admired him and wanted to be included. She asked Ginger Lee that same question and Ginger was nice about answering. At the time, we did not know what she did for a living until we clicked onto her blog link on her twitter page. Of course we did not allow our daughter to view pictures of Ginger Lee. If you read the blog itself, most of the mosts are about her struggles with Lupus and feminist/progressive liberal causes. If there was a question by a blog reader on stripping, if it wasn’t suitable for a minor to view we would not let Nikki read it. But kids will find a way to view whatever web page they want. Our attitude as parents is, it’s better for us to view it with her and answer her questions than for her to view it with her friends. If that is something you don’t agree with as a parent, that’s your right and your business. This is how we choose to parent our children and we don’t see anything inappropriate with that. Please feel free to ask any follow-up to that question. Thanks for taking the time to ask your question. That’s very nice of you.

    John Reid (35c8ef)

  201. I didn’t think Ginger Lee’s blog was that offensive. It would really depend on the kid, but Ginger actually comes across as an above average intelligence liberal. It wasn’t really porn, IIRC, and I read a substantial amount of her blogging.

    Her video work, though, was basically as far as it goes before it’s designed to disgust people.

    John, a follow up: did Weiner’s office at least offer PR services to you? Or statements in your name? It seems they offered such services to other people, so what, if anything, did they want you to say about this?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  202. John,

    I understand the criticism that you expressed regarding Jen Preston’s reporting about Nikki in the NY Times. I think Patterico’s reporting on this underscores why you’d be as upset as you expressed in your tweets.

    The other target your derision was Gennette. And while we understand that your family’s opinion, and rightly so, is that Gennette betrayed Nikki by voicing suspicions about Nikki to Weiner while simultaneously playing close older friend and confidant to Nikki. Of course a 16-year-old would be absolutely crushed by that.

    But it’s been weeks now. And you’re a grown man and a father. We take it from your and your wife’s communications that you are educated and articulate, possibly privileged members of society. Nikki may go to a selective private school. Yet the wording in your tweets about Gennette this week sounded like that of the furious teenage girl living in the moment of outrage, not of her educated dad a month later. How do you explain the language (“backstabbing, two-faced,” etc.) and passion level in your tweets regarding Gennette?

    @wittier / koam

    Comment by koam — 6/25/2011 @ 4:14 pm

    Hi Koam, thank you for taking the time to ask a question. Yes, I was angry. What prompted me to speak out was someone has been releasing unauthorized screen captures of Nikki’s conversations and posting these on various blogs. This was the last straw as far as we were concerned. We did not have anything to do with those pictures being released and it angered us that someone was taking it upon themselves to do this.
    We did not intend to speak further. We figured that we helped clear Rep Weiner with our statements that he did not do anything inappropriate and intended to just stay quiet. Then the NYT article came, filled with lies and a betrayal of someone our whole family put our necks out for, Gennette. As emails to Tommy will show, Nikki’s sole reasons for contacting Tommy were to help Gennette and Rep Weiner so it was the ultimate betrayal of someone who we treated as a friend.
    This really hurt on many levels. Not only our family but the Alicea family put their selves on the line for this. So yes, I was angry, our entire family was angry and hurt by these turn of events. If I was not as eloquent as I could have been I apologize. There will be lots to criticize in what I do as I and my family are under the microscope now.
    If others were under the microscope at certain points in their lives, I am certain that there would also be plenty to find to criticize. We never claimed to be perfect human beings. We did the best we could with the information that we had at the time. Did we make mistakes? Yes. But we’re trying.
    Thanks again for your question and please feel free to ask a follow up. Thank you.

    John Reid (35c8ef)

  203. Mr. Reid-

    Does your daughter know Juan personally?

    breitbartfan77 (12967a)

  204. John Reid,
    Do you mean it was at Nikki’s parent(s) approval in contacting Tommy, or do you literally mean Nikki contacting Tommy on her own accord?

    Nikki’s sole reasons for contacting Tommy were to help Gennette and Rep Weiner so it was the ultimate betrayal of someone who we treated as a friend.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  205. John,
    Thanks for returning to the forum.

    You say in your response (comment #202), that your “whole family put our necks out for” Gennette, and that the Alicea family “put their selves on the line for this”.

    I guess I don’t understand. No reporters have been able to contact either of your families (except of course Tommy Christopher). No one has any idea who you all are. What is the personal cost to you? If no one knows your families’ names, the identities of the girls – what does it matter? I just don’t understand the anger.

    Thanks.

    Miranda (4104db)

  206. John Reid -given your anonymity it is meaningless to extend apologies to the public don’t you agree?

    Ltw (77a7c9)

  207. First, Nikki Reid has already been debunked by Jen Preston of the New York Times. So it naturally follows that John Reid is a troll attempting to distract and confuse the situation. I’m not reading any of this schlock, this Gawker article covers the debunking.

    http://gawker.com/5813305/fake-teenager-pursued-weiner-on-twitter

    Mike Stack, my dear friend, just because I’m not spewing nonsense on the internet like all these right wing “journalists” doesn’t mean I’ve lost interest. Here’s a snippet of a little map that’s going to keep growing as more people bring verifiable facts. Once it’s big enough it’ll get shared with real journalists – NYT, Raw Story, Gawker, a few bloggers we trust to do proper coverage. Notice who doesn’t qualify for the list – Breitbart, Stranahan, Patterico, etc. They can keep making up stuff and giving a forum to trolls like this obviously fake ‘John Reid’.

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/5871494926_a62476d72f_o.png

    Neal Rauhauser (99048c)

  208. As what is John’s take that Alicia claimed he was a she?

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 6/24/2011 @ 8:50 pm

    A telling “question”.

    az5thdistrict–youve been hilarious.

    goatsred (b20383)

  209. Neal, go away! Troll somewhere else.

    julian b (b33ef1)

  210. Comment by Neal Rauhauser — 6/25/2011 @ 6:51 pm

    Yep, we know we can truse the NYT, Gawker, and leftist blogs to tell the truth. They were real big on the truth when they were all proclaiming teh weiner dicpic was a hack.

    Susie Q (653074)

  211. And who are you, neal? What’s your angle? Are you saying that all the tweets and DMs that John has provided Pat with are fake?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  212. Neal Rauhauser is one vile sick twist. Suffice it to say that some crunchy granola leftists patchouli clown claiming gawker and raw story are reputable journalists shows what a little proggy poofter he is. Coule that with his aggressive disregard for truth and honesty, and Illinois should be embarrassed.

    JD (318f81)

  213. Mike,

    Didn’t like that question? Thought it would be a good chance for Mr. Reid to get on record that a Threat letter to Patterico, where Alicia Pain claims JR actually a woman (as it plays into sockpuppet theory)

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  214. I thought a house fell on you Neal.

    Shouldn’t you be taking candy from children or killing puppies or teaching Thuggery 101 at one of your Progressive non-profits, funded by your hero, George “Filthy Stinkin’ Rich” Soros?

    Miranda (4104db)

  215. Mike,

    And also for Mr. Reid to verify or discredit that Alicia Pain had also threatened Mr. Reid (per Alicia Pains letter suggests) And to then contact authorities because of an alleged threat on Reid’s family

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  216. @Neal Rauhauser

    Once it’s big enough it’ll get shared with real journalists – NYT, Raw Story, Gawker

    I am a dog…you are a fire hydrant…

    teebo (fc922b)

  217. Neal, never use the word friend next to my name.
    You are a disgusting individual and you never answered my question about the FBI.
    So, you proved that I hacked Weiner’s account?
    I haven’t heard from the FBI yet.

    goatsred (b20383)

  218. I’m not reading any of this schlock…
    Comment by Neal Rauhauser — 6/25/2011 @ 6:51 pm

    And, yet, here you are.

    Susie Q (653074)

  219. Neal, you’re a guy who gets paid to smear politicians with tweets. You’re gonna sit around and fill in your little chart until someone else does all of the work and incriminates one of your boys?
    Then what are you going to do?
    Spin it? Or start a tweeting campaign?
    Or smear people?
    That’s what cowards like you do Neal.
    But skeletons …………

    goatsred (b20383)

  220. I find it extremely amusing that the dude who wrote one of the most unhinged WeinerGate articles (blaming it on Breitbart and Dana Loesch), Neal Rauhauser, is talking about “real journalism” and who is and isn’t a credible blogger.

    Also, I will not be surprised if it winds up he’s behind one or more of the sock puppets in this crazy story.

    diggrbiii (1c7d09)

  221. Neil is Stranded Wind on Kos, right?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  222. 213.Mike,

    Didn’t like that question? Thought it would be a good chance for Mr. Reid to get on record that a Threat letter to Patterico, where Alicia Pain claims JR actually a woman (as it plays into sockpuppet theory)

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 6/25/2011 @ 6:58 pm
    Quite the opposite…
    Your stuff is great. My head spins from this whole thing and you guys pick it apart and make the comments as great as the stories themselves.

    goatsred (b20383)

  223. Enough said.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  224. Hey folks, there’s nothing here, but once it gets big enough it’ll get to real journalists. When what gets big enough, Weiner’s wenis? Good luck with that. Maybe teh Wenis will be doing Enzyte commercials. He’ll go from Tiny Tony to Grinning Anthony!

    Does this even make sense?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  225. 202. JohnReid

    I believe John is referring to the now infamous Seattle545 DM Captures that most of us suspected to be fake until Gennette confirmed that some were real.

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/20/betty-veronica-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-806864

    Gennette & Weiner May 15
    http://bit.ly/m4DHMQ

    Gennette & Weiner May 15 part2
    http://bit.ly/kFCSng

    starchild part 1
    http://bit.ly/l960b7

    starchild part 2
    http://bit.ly/mwrbJm

    starchild part 3
    http://bit.ly/kJKsuM

    starchild part 4
    http://bit.ly/kdXIdC

    Comment by seattle545 — 6/20/2011 @ 3:08 am

    Now I’m not entirely up on this and please set me straight on it ..but if someone knows for sure…which of these 5 is confirmed to be real by Gennette and / or John/Nikki…. and are any claimed by the principals to be faked?
    (I’m not talking about analysis of whether the images looked fake…I’m talking about people with first-hand knowledge of what words were DMed. Are any fake?)

    If you have references to where Gennette confirmed some of these DMs in comments that would be great.

    koam (7c1f46)

  226. Mike,

    Thanks! I’m a fan of yours as well. Admire your willingness to tough it out, clear your name, willingness to provide detail and answer questions openly.

    az5thdstrct (e76e6a)

  227. Who the hell is Mike?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  228. Is there a freaking scorecard?

    ∅ (e7577d)

  229. All, I will be back. I promised Patterico I would go back to sending the rest of the stuff to him. I intend to answer as many questions as possible.
    Thank you to those who have been civil. I appreciate it.
    I know you don’t owe me anything, least of all civility. I appreciate your kindness.
    Have a good night until I’m back.
    John Reid.

    John Reid (c457a4)

  230. 228.Who the hell is Mike?

    Comment by ∅ — 6/25/2011 @ 7:19 pm

    Mike, me, sockpuppet for @goatsred

    goatsred (b20383)

  231. Now why did Nasty Neal make an appearance here?

    To scare John Reid back into silence?

    After all, why would Big Dog Neal be interested in interacting with us silly lil’ ‘ol commenters?

    Surely he’s too far up the Progressive food-chain to be bothered with an inconsequential story like this.

    Miranda (4104db)

  232. Surely he’s too far up the Progressive food-chain to be bothered with an inconsequential story like this.

    Exactly. Inconsequential being the operative word. I think he gave himself away there.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  233. Perhaps Mr. Breaking Stranded Wind is just a leeetle more deeply involved and invested in the Weiner mystery than he is saying, yah?

    elissa (f29705)

  234. 230 – John Reid –

    I would still love an answer regarding the fake IDs.

    Any old answer. Because it bothers me.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  235. Neal showed up on this same John Reid thread for a looksee late last night, too. Even though the congressman resigned in disgrace Neal still seems to be especially interested in this aspect of Weinergate. Kind of makes you go hmmm.

    elissa (f29705)

  236. Goatsred, glad to see your post on here. People like Neal tried to Destroy your life. I’m glad your still hanging tough brother.

    Neil = Stranded Wind = idiot

    julian b (b33ef1)

  237. Elissa, nicely observed. I know nothing about Neal what’s-his-nose, but what I’ve seen of him says he’s a bit…um?…deluded.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  238. Hi John,

    Many people ask how I leave open the possibility of believing that you and your family remain Weiner supporters even after all this. They have “learned” (misinformation) from the media, led by the NYT, that Nikki was plotting against Weiner, as you well know. Others find it confusing that you are both for Weiner and against Jen Preston’s reporting at the Times and that you are Pro-Weiner yet you even proposed in a tweet this week that you’d support talking to one of Andrew Breitbart’s Big sites to tell your story. (So they think your motivations have reversed and reversed again from conservative to liberal to conservative…so you must be conservative) Can you clarify that?

    Also, one of the things revealed in your documents was that DMs from Weiner to 16-year-old Nikki were familiar, arguably flirtatious, and profane. Even many liberal parents would not want a strange adult speaking in those terms to their daughter. How do you explain your position regarding the content of DMs from Weiner to Nikki that you released this week?

    koam / @wittier

    koam (7c1f46)

  239. These new DMs are a bunch of bull.

    Gennettec (88de7d)

  240. elissa, clearly this is not an inconsequential story…and Stranded Wind knows it.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  241. Notice who doesn’t qualify for the list – Breitbart, Stranahan, Patterico, etc.

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Someone is awfully touchy touchy about making lists and qualifying people to have a voice. It doesn’t work that way anymore.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  242. GennetteC,

    If more go up, I will ask you which are authentic and which are “bull.”

    Either way, they are news.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  243. BTW, Neal was projecting when he complained about distractions and misdirection, given he came here to offer the most obvious and inflammatory of trolls.

    But my guess is that he knows exactly what John is.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  244. These new DMs are a bunch of bull.

    Comment by Gennettec

    Which ones? Why?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  245. Neal must be very worried – he just called out Patterico on Twitter:

    Patterico Sorry, @NYT_JenPreston debunked @starchild111 & @JohnReid9 some time ago – they’re just trolls. You look like a total fool.

    What’s he all wee-wee’d up about? Got to get his legions all riled up, ready to debunk whatever Patterico publishes.

    Miranda (4104db)

  246. 240. Hi Gennette

    Thanks for setting me straight on that.
    I take it you mean that the first 2 links related to your name are bull.
    I just wanted to clarify because there were some that you had confirmed earlier in the week.

    John Reid, can you comment on the other three labeled @starchild111 ?

    Thanks

    koam (7c1f46)

  247. OK, I’m loopy with pain and medications (my apologies), so maybe that’s why this is all beginning to seem surreal.

    Am I correct in thinking this has all been rather a run-around?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  248. @Patterico
    Just wanted to go on record saying they’re fake… that’s all.

    Gennettec (88de7d)

  249. All of them are fake, Gennette?

    Seriously, it’s helpful if you’re specific. If they are lies, which are lies is important.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  250. These new DMs are a bunch of bull.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/25/2011

    Kind of cryptic for someone so willing to keep themselves front and center in the story. If they’re bull, let’s hear it.

    Susie Q (653074)

  251. #249 – Which ones are fake?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  252. Grnnette, FWIW, to me they READ like bull, they seem clabbered up.

    SarahW (af7312)

  253. Pretty freaking vague. I again call BS on GennetteC. Notice all of the questions that she refuses to address.

    JD (318f81)

  254. How is that cryptic? The new ones. The ones that appeared last night. Fake.

    Gennettec (88de7d)

  255. Sarah W, which ones? I’m so out of it, at this point, that everything has started to look like disinformation.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  256. #255 – Geneettec,

    Every single one? Why?

    What proof can you offer? I’ve noticed a truly perfect lack of proof, recently.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  257. 255. Gennettec

    “The ones that appeared last night. Fake”

    I don’t know which ones she means but I don’t think she’s referring to the ones in 226. from Seattle545.

    koam (7c1f46)

  258. How is that cryptic? The new ones. The ones that appeared last night. Fake.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/25/2011

    The ones between you and Nikki, because you have no idea if the others are real, right?

    Susie Q (653074)

  259. #259 – Susie Q – Ah, yes! Of course.

    Curious, how I missed that simple point of logic.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  260. “How is that cryptic? The new ones. The ones that appeared last night. Fake.”

    Gennettec, so the ones posted yesterday were fake also? Why didn’t you just say they were fake when they were first posted?

    julian b (b33ef1)

  261. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/04/982122/-Breaking:-Christian-Infowar-Militia-Attacked-Congressman-Weiner?via=blog_720784

    If you want to read some crazy dishonest BS, read Neal Rauhauser’s idiocy above.

    JD (318f81)

  262. Can we please drop Neal or take it somewhere else? We have John Reid and Gennette answering questions here.

    koam (7c1f46)

  263. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/02/981419/-Bringing-Breitbart-(And-Thomas)-To-Justice-(Action-Alert!)?via=blog_720784

    This from the guy that calls raw story and gawker reputable journalists.

    JD (318f81)

  264. Seattle545 posted the DMs in 3 places
    Patterico
    Ace of Spades
    Liberty Chick’s blog

    Patterico and Ace have been knee deep in the story.

    Liberty Chick– not on the surface at least.
    You know who is concerned about Liberty Chick, don’t you?
    Coughrauhausercough.

    Just Sayin.

    PS – If you’re not familiar with Arlen William’s writing on Twittergate- Worth a read. I wonder if he’s following all this.

    It takes a ‘special’ kind of person to be a hacker or an obsessive sockpuppeteer.

    Auntie Social Disorder (e71ad9)

  265. I did not realize I needed your permission to comment, loam. My sincere apologies.

    JD (318f81)

  266. @Dianna
    The ones that Patterico tweeted last night were alleged DMs from me… those are the ones I’m referring to.

    Gennettec (cff457)

  267. #267 Gennettec, I do not have a twitter account, so I am unsure if we’re on the same page, here.

    I read the document dump this morning. Are we talking about the same material? Because not every single item was yours, or even something you would have necessarily have seen.

    Assume that I am old and slow. Explain what you mean, as if you were explaining to your grandmother, who does not tweet.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  268. Thanks JD & Auntie for the info.

    Follow Neal Rauhauser on Twitter – he is really frothing now.

    http://twitter.com/#!/NealRauhauser

    Funny how Gennette & Neal make an appearance about the same time.

    This IS important. Rauhauser does NOT play nice.

    Miranda (4104db)

  269. How about this? can we not post Neals links here at all??

    goatsred (b20383)

  270. Some DMs that Patterico tweeted last night allegedly from Gennette.

    Patterico Patterico
    “How come you never talk about Rep Weiner? Don’t you want to talk about him with me?” — alleged DM from Gennette to Nikki

    Patterico Patterico
    “”obsessed? how big an obsession?” And I said, “Big.” And he said, “That’s not the only thing that’s big.” Ah I LOVE this man!”

    Patterico Patterico
    “Rep Weiner is hot. The funny thing is that when he first followed me I totally flirted with him & he flirted right back! It was hot.”

    Those are 3 I found http://twitter.com/#!/Patterico
    posted 21 hours ago…so last night.

    Gennette, are these the only 3 tweets you’ve seen from John Reid posted or linked to in the past 2 days on Patterico that are fake?

    koam (7c1f46)

  271. #268 – Diana, these are Patrick’s tweets from last night that (I believe) Gennette is replying to:

    Patterico
    “Rep Weiner is hot. The funny thing is that when he first followed me I totally flirted with him & he flirted right back! It was hot.”

    Patterico
    Just a sample of what I am being sent. That is an alleged DM from GennetteC to Nikki Reid.

    Patterico
    “How come you never talk about Rep Weiner? Don’t you want to talk about him with me?” — alleged DM from Gennette to Nikki

    Patterico
    Boy, Nikki really sounds like she’s pushing that Weiner issue with Gennette all right! @NYT_JenPreston @johnreid9

    Patterico
    I wonder if @NYT_JenPreston is ever going to rethink her comfortable assumptions about Gennette. @JohnReid9

    Patterico
    “”obsessed? how big an obsession?” And I said, “Big.” And he said, “That’s not the only thing that’s big.” Ah I LOVE this man!”

    Patterico
    @killpundit These are alleged DMs from Gennette to Nikki.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  272. @14Comment by scoovy — 6/24/2011 @ 11:25 pm

    “I just want to get on with my life,” said Cordova, who plans to work as a restaurant hostess or law firm assistant this summer“This has been really hard on me.”
    She’s been inundated with interview requests but wants to be left alone.
    “People are saying, ‘You need a book deal.’ What for? This isn’t my place, I just want to get it over with.”

    Look at her face in the photo.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bitter_tweet_affair_has_co_ed_worn_qCnymOy6zYIBGkdJhLyw1M#ixzz1QLk84fl8

    name required (d77c52)

  273. Can someone explain to me why people shod not be informed and aware of what kind of mendoucheous twatwaffle seproggie leftist scum are lying about all this?

    JD (318f81)

  274. But kids will find a way to view whatever web page they want. Our attitude as parents is, it’s better for us to view it with her and answer her questions than for her to view it with her friends. If that is something you don’t agree with as a parent, that’s your right and your business. This is how we choose to parent our children and we don’t see anything inappropriate with that.

    Agreed.

    Random (52ce7f)

  275. Comment by Auntie Social Disorder — 6/25/2011 @ 8:22 pm

    Great explaination of Neal’s worries and some Chick.

    goatsred (b20383)

  276. 237.Goatsred, glad to see your post on here. People like Neal tried to Destroy your life. I’m glad your still hanging tough brother

    Thanks julian

    Neal has plenty of skeletons.

    goatsred (b20383)

  277. “I didn’t think Ginger Lee’s blog was that offensive. It would really depend on the kid, but Ginger actually comes across as an above average intelligence liberal. It wasn’t really porn, IIRC, and I read a substantial amount of her blogging.”

    Well put.

    Random (52ce7f)

  278. So, the only ones that are fake are the ones Pat tweeted last night? All the rest are real? Why? Because they’re the only ones, so far, that have disputed Gennette’s claims?

    Susie Q (653074)

  279. Have any readers’ opinions or theories about John Reid and family changed after reading his responses to questions tonight?

    koam (7c1f46)

  280. Goatsred, Liberty Chick isn’t just “some chick”.

    This story may be just one of a “woman scorned” – like Gennette – or it may have some powerful folks behind it. Like Neal.

    I think we all want the truth here. Except of course people who have something to hide.

    Miranda (4104db)

  281. Miranda-

    Goatsred was being sarcastic saying ‘some chick’.

    He knows what time it is.

    Auntie Social Disorder (e71ad9)

  282. @ koam

    Nope still think Reid family are sock puppets. Just waiting to see what develops between the diverging hunt of Patterico and Lee.

    Patterico’s earlier inquiries has piqued my interest again and makes me wonder if the hunt continues.

    The death threat angle has LEO involved so we might find out who’s behind the curtain one way or another.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  283. 281.Goatsred, Liberty Chick isn’t just “some chick”.

    /whispers “I know” whispers/

    goatsred (b20383)

  284. Ty Auntie-Social Disorder.

    goatsred (b20383)

  285. #280 Koam – Oh, hell, no.

    Maybe because the “answers” are not precisely responsive. I’m prejudiced, because what I ache to know has not been answered.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  286. If Lee Stranahan is correct, then Nikki is a 20 something liberal woman who is very likely patriot76. If John Reid is telling the truth then Nikki is his 16 year old daughter. Am I missing something here folks?

    Lee claims to have ironclad proof that Nikki is this liberal woman, yet John Reid is currently dumping to Patterico a whole bunch of messages supporting his contention.

    These two alternate realities are not compatible, right?

    lamchops (a91fe8)

  287. #280 Koam – The only thing I know is that I don’t believe everything Gennette is putting forth.

    As for the rest, who the heck knows?

    Susie Q (653074)

  288. Anybody have any new thoughts on why “Patriot” specifically chose Filmladd to give an IM interview to lo those many weeks ago? (Remember Ace helped with some of the questions at the time.) Filmladd later updated his post rather ruefully to say he thought the interview was moot after Weiner’s other dick pics started to come out. But was it? To me the selection of Filmladd raises the same question that the selection of TC does. Why them?

    http://filmladd.com/?PatriotUSA76Interview

    elissa (f29705)

  289. apologies Auntie & Goat!

    Miranda (4104db)

  290. Elissa, while this is an excellent question, I honestly (with apologies if I’m wrong) think that the safest option is to assume “patriot” isn’t a safe source, and assume he’s out to get everyone else.

    It’s easy to be wrong, but he should understand that things have gotten so odd that he must be treated as not-trusted.

    Sad, isn’t it?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  291. 287. lamchopsl

    Lee wrote a great headline yesterday but his show didn’t deliver against concrete proof “Conjecture is over” . Doesn’t mean his hunch isn’t correct. But a hunch isn’t proof.

    koam (7c1f46)

  292. This is the strangest tangled web of misdirection I have ever seen. James Jesus Angelton, call your office!

    Nathan Wagner (01c83e)

  293. 289 elissa

    Answer to Ladd Patriot question is here
    http://filmladd.com/?PatriotUSA76

    koam (7c1f46)

  294. Dianna, I understand there are big questions about Patriot’s role, pedigree and authenticity. Still, don’t you think that who (in the whole wide world) Patriot chose to give “his” only interview to so early in the puzzle might have some larger significance?

    Hasn’t there been a film school connection floating around the ether for a while?

    elissa (f29705)

  295. 292. Koam

    Yeah, I listened. He got seriously diverted about a third of the way through the show and never got back on topic.

    But he is claiming that he and Jen Patterson have the same proof that Nikki is this overwrought screenwriting student. Patterson hasn’t published anything, but it’s hard to believe that Lee is just making this up, or is just completely wrong.

    The only way I can easily reconcile these two disparate stories is to assume that John Reid is the father of this liberal overwrought screenwriting student, but he is lying about her age. That is, John Reid’s daughter is really 20 something.

    lamchops (a91fe8)

  296. #280 Koam

    I’m unable to make up my mind about John yet. I guess I need to see more of what Patterico has.

    Sure feels like he is closing in though, because this whole thing is starting to feel like a scene from a Ghostbusters movie.

    cap'n john's nephew (d29614)

  297. Hasn’t there been a film school connection floating around the ether for a while?

    Comment by elissa

    There has. But so far, I see no way of pinning it down. I will be perfectly happy when this connection does get pinned down. However, as someone who reads and writes fiction, I am waiting for something that isn’t, well, something that I would write a story using. I get uneasy when I see this much fictional thinking connected with the story.

    So many points of the “Betty and Veronica” story elements (to say nothing of parts – but not all – of the “bornfreecrew” story) feel like a rather poor screen play that I start evaluating it as ‘story’, not something that happened.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  298. 296. lamchops

    Lee has a person who says she had the twitter account earlier. She denies explicitly involvement in Weiner. So it’s a theory of Lee’s that she’s a psycho liar. Great. hope he’s right. He hasn’t proven that this chick is 5 or 6 major characters but he believes it.

    koam (7c1f46)

  299. #280
    John comes across as too too happy happy, too polite
    Sort of a Stepford Husband personality.
    “Hi dear, everything is just peachy keen”
    Wooden

    I don’t buy it.

    I don’t know about the DMs but he’s plastic fantastic

    bmertz (d77c52)

  300. You’d have to go to a realllly small town to find someone with John’s level of acting abilities.

    And screenwriting talent. bleeeck

    bmertz (d77c52)

  301. If I were writing this, 3 over-wrought college sophomores who’d planned a complete “pwnage” of everyone and their uncle would be my characters.

    The amount of trouble following on the initial – misconceived! – sting, would be our current story.

    It would depend on how nasty I wanted it to play out how ugly I’d make it.

    Does anyone else read this story this way? I’m not saying that’s what is happening. I am saying that this is how the story is reading.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  302. Hasn’t there been a film school connection floating around the ether for a while?

    Comment by elissa

    SarahW had tracked down some info on that right after the NYT Betty/Veronica article. I can’t recall if it was a phone number or something else. You’ll have to ask her. But I remember her posting about finding a link to UCLA and the screenwriting department. It really caught my attention at the time because of the creative writing aspect of the sockpuppets.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  303. So many points of the “Betty and Veronica” story elements (to say nothing of parts – but not all – of the “bornfreecrew” story) feel like a rather poor screen play that I start evaluating it as ‘story’, not something that happened.

    I don’t think I’m current on everything involved, but couldn’t it be consistent that Stanahan’s story is correct but also all the non-Gennette accounts belong to this troubled young UCLA student? Including John Reid? I keep going back to the motivation for John Reid talking to Patrick and it seems like getting back at Gennette is a lot of it, which seems more like the troubled girl angle than the protective father angle.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  304. Does anyone else read this story this way? I’m not saying that’s what is happening. I am saying that this is how the story is reading.

    @ 302 Dianna – Sorry, I should have read that post before I wrote my prev post.

    Yes, I can see that but see it more like two young girls that were objects of Weiner’s affection, helped to try to cover up the story afterward but got very catty with each other afterward either out of jealousy or something Weiner did/said.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  305. #304 – Kaiseroze, no reason that I can think of, were I writing this as a story. But that’s the problem – this isn’t fiction, it’s happening.

    So I await developments.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  306. But he is claiming that he and Jen Patterson have the same proof …it’s hard to believe that Lee is just making this up, or is just completely wrong.

    For what it’s worth, Jennifer Preston tweeted:

    “@stranahan As I said yesterday, you are on the wrong path. Please do not associate my name w/your conclusions. Mine are different.”

    Which, of course, in itself doesn’t necessarily mean he’s wrong. Although I suspect she did some really advanced Big Newspaper sort of verification – like checking the caller ID or something.

    piglet (2540da)

  307. @302 Dianna

    Does anyone else read this story this way? I’m not saying that’s what is happening. I am saying that this is how the story is reading.

    This story reads a badly executed and sophomoric script. Teenagers rule, adults drool
    Don’t be surprised if some idiot really does make it into a movie or it shows up as a skit on Saturday Night Live.

    They really do think we’re idiots

    bmertz (d77c52)

  308. http://twitpic.com/5h0tm8

    “Posed as Nikki Reid’s father. Journalists are starting to learn about trolls”

    Auntie Social Disorder (e71ad9)

  309. 309 looks interesting, but makes absolutely no sense to me.

    JD (318f81)

  310. “Posed as Nikki Reid’s father. Journalists are starting to learn about trolls”

    Comment by Auntie Social Disorder

    Is that supposed to make us believe that Rauhauser is Reid?

    Susie Q (653074)

  311. No way is Rauhauser Reid. No way. No how.

    JD (318f81)

  312. Those tweets came from the johnreid9 account. Neal had nothing to do with them.

    julian b (b33ef1)

  313. No way is Rauhauser Reid. No way. No how.

    Comment by JD —

    OK, why or why not?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  314. Because the tweets came from the johnreid9 account. Does Neal have access to that account?

    julian b (b33ef1)

  315. Julian, I’m really not sure why Neal wouldn’t have access to this account. I am puzzled. I want some information. Put some of this down to lack of technical information.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  316. Because the tweets came from the johnreid9 account. Does Neal have access to that account?

    A few days ago johnreid9 made his tweets public for a short time. They are posted here (in the same format), so that’s probably where he grabbed them from:

    http://badjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/06/johnreid9-tweets.html

    piglet (2540da)

  317. Dianna, because Neal is full of…well, you know. It’s what people like him do. He can’t stand that people are still on this story. Remember the “proof” that teh weiner was hacked?

    Susie Q (653074)

  318. Susie Q, I think you’re right. I hope you’re right.

    In any case, I’m going to head for bed, and take more medication for pain, and hopefully get some sleep.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  319. Dianna, that’s the account Nicky used to contact Gennette after starchild111 account was closed. That’s her (father’s?) account. who knows? That person knew enough about Gennette for her to believe it was still Nicky (starchild111). Hopefully that answers your question. If not I’ll try again. Sorry about the slow typing

    julian b (b33ef1)

  320. Dianna, Pat’s talking to Lee. Check the link at the top post.

    Susie Q (653074)

  321. 309., 310. & 311.

    Neil Rauhauser appears to be tweeting that John Reid 9 is posing as Nikki Reid’s father. Rauhauser then states that, “Journalists are starting to learn about trolls.” That is, Rauhauser is suggesting that John Reid 9 is a troll. This tweet by Rauhauser has been captured by @breitbartfan77 and he is re-tweeting it.

    My interpretation of Neil Rauhauser’s tweet is that he is afraid of what John Reid is doing, and is trying to preemptively smear him. To me, that adds credibility to John Reid 9, since Neil is clearly a professional douche bag..

    lamchops (a91fe8)

  322. It seems to me that if you want the story to go away you wouldn’t keep telling others that there is nothing to it, you’d just shut up.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  323. It seems that where NozzleNeal, John Reid, and GennetteC want to steer the discussion towards is usually the least interesting aspect, and designed to avoid discussing what might otherwise be uncomfortable for them.

    JD (b98cae)

  324. 324.It seems that where NozzleNeal, John Reid, and GennetteC want to steer the discussion towards is usually the least interesting aspect, and designed to avoid discussing what might otherwise be uncomfortable for them.

    Comment by JD — 6/26/2011 @ 7:27 am

    ∅ (e7577d)

  325. Neal said the big boys would start taking over at a certain point.

    How quickly he realized that he should get his grubby hands into it is pretty remarkable.

    goatsred (b20383)

  326. D@mn! I agree, JD. It’s difficult to discern what their objectives are because they only answer/proclaim what they feel is relevant. Release/answer all, and let the chips fall where they may. If everything is as innocent or benign as they claim, then anything that is revealed couldn’t possibly be damaging.

    ∅ (e7577d)

  327. Hi Koam, thank you for taking the time to ask a question. Yes, I was angry.

    What claim have you to anger?

    When your daughter misbehaved, lied, and told too many things (many of them fiction) to a stranger?

    A parent would not want to continually draw attention to this. A parent would not be interested in restoring Weiner’s reputation at the expense of his daughter, or at any rate, it would not be a normal parent’s CHIEF concern. The Marianela sock did not lie about the screencaps that she promised Mike Stack, and yet your (or ostensibly your wife, was willing to announce she made the whole thing up? Nice protection of the tender MA there.

    What prompted me to speak out was someone has been releasing unauthorized screen captures of Nikki’s conversations and posting these on various blogs.

    Why should that outratge you? You have done the same. (By some accounts forged them even.)
    And why should it outrage you to have the truth of MA’s assertions revealed?

    Also, Nikki’s side of the conversation did not appear. Another person’s did.

    This was the last straw as far as we were concerned. We did not have anything to do with those pictures being released and it angered us that someone was taking it upon themselves to do this.

    Again, why? And who else would have motive to release them?

    We did not intend to speak further. We figured that we helped clear Rep Weiner with our statements that he did not do anything inappropriate and intended to just stay quiet.

    You figured wrong. The statements are the main reason people began to doubt Tommy’s representations.

    Their abnormal focus on Rep Weiner’s reputation – everything overstated in the light most focused on an favorable to Weiner, at the expense of not only others but dear troubled Marianela. A normal parent, aware of the picture sent out by Rep Weiner, would be less concerned with Weiner and more with how the daughter was innocent. The statements would have been more circumspect about his conduct, especially since he should not be communicating, and communicated in a hostile way, with your daughter.

    Then the NYT article came, filled with lies and a betrayal of someone our whole family put our necks out for, Gennette.

    Your daughter told Gennette all kinds of fibs. Why would you consider a near stranger who talks on twitter, a known quantity? You don’t know how nice or good or friendly she is, and she was lied to . You seem more upset that she caught your daughter out in lies and was willing to tell someone about it.

    As emails to Tommy will show, Nikki’s sole reasons for contacting Tommy were to help Gennette and Rep Weiner so it was the ultimate betrayal of someone who we treated as a friend.

    Among your intentions was to shop a false story about “harassers” encouraging your daughter to make up wild stories about Weiner for Breitbart’s benefit. Your daughter had to know that MA’s claims about the DM’s were true, even if she didn’t know MA was telling anyone about them.

    This really hurt on many levels. Not only our family but the Alicea family put their selves on the line for this.

    I know! No honor among thieves. Dreadful. Tsk.

    So yes, I was angry, our entire family was angry and hurt by these turn of events.

    This seems insufficient inducment to expose your daughter or anyone else to public exposure and censure, when your identities are concealed and life’s hard lessons can be dealt with in private. Once Weiner’s proclivities were revealed, your chief emotion should have been contrition towards the persons that warned your daughter about him, at minimum lowered your “disgust”. Protecting HIS reputation would no longer be an object, and in fact you would no longer believe he had deserved unconditional support in the first place. And in view of the tone he took in messages to your daughter, all but accusing her of not being legitimately a teenager, your worry would be about the unreliability of “internet friends” known for a few weeks only.

    If I was not as eloquent as I could have been I apologize. There will be lots to criticize in what I do as I and my family are under the microscope now.

    Eloquence is not an issue, honesty is.

    If others were under the microscope at certain points in their lives, I am certain that there would also be plenty to find to criticize.

    You keep jumping back under that compound lens.

    We never claimed to be perfect human beings. We did the best we could with the information that we had at the time. Did we make mistakes? Yes. But we’re trying.

    Trying to…what? A normal person would deal with the hard lessons learned in private and not be too concerned about the fact that some chippie had used their daughter ill, or that Weiner got what he deserved.

    Thanks again for your question and please feel free to ask a follow up. Thank you.

    What possible service can you be performing for anyone?

    Revealing the perfidy of Gennette? How lovely of you to help us out with that.

    Tell us how sweetly and nicely Tommy fell for your lies, so that his JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS can be, once again, applauded?
    Ok then.

    Restoring, as another person so brilliantly put “restoring your besmirched sockpuppet reputations” Hardly any need, since no one, including Tommy, has any notion of who you are.

    SarahW (af7312)

  328. This entire Reid thing reads like an amateur dirty tricks PR operation. Patterico’s patience and unbiased reproductions have been a pitch perfect way of handling it. Patterico you are right, these may not be facts, but the releases ARE news.

    My gut tells me that there was an orchestrated attempt to ‘sting’ #bfc and tea-party types, and if it went as high as stinging Breitbart or whomever so be it. The problem is that whoever is running this con didn’t count on the fact that Weiner is REALLY a perv.

    All of this now seems to be trying to salvage some kind of something from the wreckage. The appearance of ‘TwitterGate’ alum Rauhauser reinforces my instinctual distrust of ANY of this.

    There is a decided lack of consistency by those who are in still in anonymity. There is too much conflicting information coming from too many unverified sources. Motives, actions, stated beliefs etc don’t add up at all. That there is still a concerted effort to spin/distract/cover-up whatever actually WAS going on, long after the resignation of Weiner made it all moot, says quite a big about those making the effort. That is news. That is a story, and it’s one that needs to be told.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  329. Protection of the “Alicea family” would not be necessary but for you putting forward the story.

    Comment by SarahW — 6/25/2011 @ 3:29 pm

    Sarah you are taking this really personal. I hope you have other interests in your life to fulfill yourself. It seems you spend quite a bit of time here and obsessing about any and every aspect of this case. And, we get it. You know Latin. Bravo. Lol.

    John Reid (af3c93)

  330. John Reid – what did GennetteC do to cause your consternation with her? Does your spouse still stand behind her letter?

    JD (318f81)

  331. 331 The latin is a legal term. Get used to those, lawyers are always showing off.

    Sarahw (af7312)

  332. We get that, Sarah. The point is that you’ve hijacked this thread to the point that it is useless. We might have derived some information, but your constant bashing of Reid overshadows everything else. No matter what he says we know you’ll be right there taking issue with every word he says. If we’re to get anywhere here (and I don’t think we will) you need to leave. Go write a book or start a blog or something. Being a domineering bitch here isn’t helping anyone.

    Schuyler (ec8670)

  333. Hey Schuyler, welcome aboard! You’re new here, aren’t you?

    SarahW (af7312)


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