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6/20/2011

Questions for NYT’s Jen Preston and Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:04 am



In light of the recent Tommy Christopher debacle, I think it’s about time we started asking big-J Journalists to show their work. Let’s start with Jennifer Preston of the New York Times:

At least three months before the revelation that former Representative Anthony D. Weiner was sending lewd messages and photos to women online, a small group of self-described conservatives was monitoring his exchanges with women on Twitter. Now there is evidence that one or more people created two false identities on Twitter in order to collect information to use against him.

How do you know they were trying to get information to use against Weiner? Show your work, please. Bonus points if you can explain why these girls and Nikki/Betty’s mom later issued deliriously pro-Weiner statements that sounded like something from his P.R. team. All part of their devious plan to attack him!

Now Tommy Christopher:

The main thrust of the story was that Rep. Weiner had not made inappropriate contact with “Betty,” and that Andrew Breitbart was not guilty of engineering a hoax against Weiner. Both of these things are still true.

How do you know that Rep. Weiner did not make inappropriate contact with Nikki/Betty? Show your work, please.

And stop calling her Betty. The NYT published their names. Here is your handy guide:

Betty=Nikki Reid
Veronica=Marianela Alicea
Ethel=Ethel

The thrust of your story before, Tommy, was:

1. Marianela contacted the #bornfreecrew (PatriotUSA76, Mike Stack/goatsred, and others) saying she had relatively innocuous DMs between Nikki and Weiner, and DMs between Seattle woman Gennette Cordova and Weiner showing they had flirted. Marianela told Stack Nikki was willing to provide all this, but that they both insisted on anonymity.

2. Nikki contacted you to raise the #bornfreecrew as an issue. When you asked her about what Marianela had, they both denied it, said they made it up, issued pro-Weiner statements, and told you they were really Nikki Reid and Marianela Alicea. Now we learn that last bit was a lie — so you conclude that they are now telling the truth about everything else. And the New York Times concludes they are anti-Weiner.

Sigh.

Oh — speaking of people manufacturing evidence against people, get a load of this. Someone is going around posting images that look for all the world like DMs a) between Weiner and Gennette Cordova, talking like they are in league with Nikki and Marianela in how to respond to the #bornfreecrew, and b) from Gennette, talking about how she flirted with Weiner. One person posted this in a comment on one of Lee’s posts here:

Gennette & Weiner May 15
http://bit.ly/m4DHMQ

Gennette & Weiner May 15 part2
http://bit.ly/kFCSng

starchild part 1
http://bit.ly/l960b7

starchild part 2
http://bit.ly/mwrbJm

starchild part 3
http://bit.ly/kJKsuM

starchild part 4
http://bit.ly/kdXIdC

Here are the top two:

And on Ace’s site, someone posted this:

251 Gennette Nicole Cordova

http://bit.ly/mP4dVy

Here is what that one looks like:

Until these are properly vetted by our media betters, we can’t say what the heck these are. I’d ask Gennette myself, but a) her umpteenth Twitter account is private, so I can’t contact her, and b) she has always said she won’t answer any of my more probing questions because I am not a “reputable journalist.”

They’re either genuine or they’re faked by someone.

Either way, they’re interesting. If they’re faked — they’re exactly the type of information that Nikki Reid said she had from Gennette: evidence of flirtation between Gennette and Weiner. So this could be a clue to finding the real Nikki and Marianela. They faked IDs and they probably faked these, too. Right?

Or, they’re genuine, and they are what Nikki and Marianela told Mike Stack they had.

Which is it? Well, the key thing to remember is that a) Tommy Christopher maintains Nikki and Marianela never had anything on Weiner, and the fact they lied to him doesn’t change that, and b) Jen Preston of the NYT assures us that Nikki and Marianela were working against Weiner. With those cold hard facts, related to us by our media betters, we can easily see that these are obvious fakes. So I pass them along to you with that assumption.

P.S. They also could easily be fakes dummied up by someone to try to get us right-wingers to publish them and declare that they are evidence of something. That is why I make absolutely no such declaration. At this point, I see these links as simply a curiosity found on the Internet, like interesting shells you find on the beach. Hey, look at these! Aren’t these interesting.

We’ll all look at them together. Maybe people will ask some questions. Then we’ll decide whether to put them in our pocket or put them back down on the sand.

UPDATE: In one place in the post I had a typo, saying “pro-Weiner” instead of “anti-Weiner” to describe the NYT characterization of Nikki and Marianela. Fixed. Thanks to Caleb Howe.

UPDATE x2: Looking at these screenshots again. They look like fakes to the naked eye. Look at how the dates and times don’t line up.

For example: look at the first DM allegedly from GennetteNicole.

You see the date, and then the time jumps up noticeably.

See that?

I say: bad Photoshop.

Fascinating. Who did it? I’d love to know!

199 Responses to “Questions for NYT’s Jen Preston and Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher”

  1. Patrick,

    Snif, real journalists would not be so irresponsible as to publish unverified screencaps. we never publish unless everything is 100% verified to be what it is…

    except when exhonerating Weiner or accusing Wolfe of being a hacker. then we speculate away. tsk, tsk.

    Tommy Christopher (sockpuppet) (b1db52)

  2. Mediaite is a dumb name.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  3. Capital J is now in lowercase

    bmertz (d77c52)

  4. They posted screen shots at my blog too:
    http://libertychick.com/2011/06/17/weiner-resigns/#comments

    Coincidentally, a handful of new, completely benign sock accounts started following me on Twitter yesterday all around the same time, and most all follow the same group of bloggers/journalists tracking the story – including Patterico, Lee, Ace and Jen Preston among others. They subscribed to my blog, too (which people rarely do, because most know all of my posts are done primarily at Breitbart’s Big websites).

    And there are a couple other odd things occurring behind the scenes, but I can’t print that yet. Related to threats aimed at silencing specific people.

    Something seems very, very fishy…

    Liberty_Chick (230f2f)

  5. http://prudencepaine.com/2011/06/20/meet-starchild111/

    Prudence claim that the first picture used on starchild111 and the picture TommyC got on the fake ID:s were of the same person, confirmed by TommyC.

    I wondered, did the fake school photo ID (which obviously could not include a dog as the primary foreground figure) show the same girl, of the same race and general appearance as in the Twitter photo? Or would the statement-writers have complicated matters further by providing a photo of a girl that looked nothing like the Starchild111 avatar photo?

    I contacted everyone that I knew had seen the school ID. Preston of the New York Times has yet to respond to my two requests made on Saturday. However, Christopher confirms, via email, that this picture is the one that he compared Betty’s student ID with, and concluded that both photos were of the same person.

    Therefore, with the match, the person or group of people that contacted Christopher after the scandal either includes the young woman portrayed in the Starchild Twitter avatar photo or knows her and was able to obtain a photo of her with a school ID pose.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  6. You open source hacks disgust me.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  7. 2 I’m glad someone said it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  8. People aren’t always that good at distinguishing faces that merely resemble each other. I wouldn’t conclude that the Nikki+dog avatar is necessarily the person pictured in the school id. They might be the same, but without seeing it myself I don’t accept it as gospel.

    SarahW (af7312)

  9. Liberty Chick,

    What’s your theory? These are fakes designed to cause people like you and me to make declarations that the facts won’t cash?

    That’s what this post is about, really. Tommy and Jen are still making pronouncements they can’t back up. And yet, they would criticize me for even linking to these … even though I don’t make any declaration about what is really going on here.

    Tell us what you know and tell us what you DON’T know. It’s what I have been saying on this blog for years.

    Whether fake or not, these screenshots are interesting. If fake, it raises a mystery of who did them up and why. That’s a newsworthy question — especially in an atmosphere of shadowy Internet identities.

    My readers collectively know more than I do. That’s the key insight in an open source journalism concept. So what do y’all make of this?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  10. But if it were a repub making the threats your stupid ass would be condemning facts be damned.

    Hyocrpite thy name is Liberty Chick.

    DohBiden (15aa57)

  11. Mere speculation dependent upon unproven (and even unlikely) assumptions follows.

    Assuming the source-unattributed and very likely faked DM’s above were real,

    It shows that “punk the monitors” is the raison detre for the Nikki and MA accounts, and is a part of not only a Weiner friendly, but Weiner planned event.

    However, it would require Patriot to be their dupe, for without him there would be no trolls very interested in Nikki and MA.

    Patriot is not a dupe but clearly part of the scheme, so it makes no sense at all… getting to 50,000 followers is not a sufficient motive for a (now indisputably) pervy Weiner to invest in a character designed to encourage anybody’s notice of his bad habits.

    SarahW (af7312)

  12. ONe other observation – if JG is a paid operative, she is really, really bad at her job.

    SarahW (af7312)

  13. Sarahw , I think these bloggers are on their lookout for being punked by false flag ops, because that’s the core of the secondary weiner story.

    If it’s not double checked , it’s only a theory.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  14. OK, I am thoroughly confused by this story. The only thing I know for certain is that Anthony Weiner sent randy messages and pictures to various women, and then lied about it to the national media for 10 days.

    rbj (9ae8d9)

  15. So “DohBiden” here we go with the “Left versus Right ” thing again.
    Pick up a computer,rather than criticizing someone else’s hard work and do some research on your own.
    Too many people are saying, “He resigned. Nothing else to see here.” Thats what they’re hoping,at least.
    Much more to see here. And lots are bothered by it.
    Publish some cold,hard facts that haven’t been unearthed yet and then you earn the right to mock a published journalist.
    As a matter of fact, why even post here? You’re like the many who love to post on Breitbart’s sites ,here,etc., and rip people apart.
    Join in the discussion,disagree, but do as your leader BHO says, and have “some civility” .

    goatsred (722631)

  16. Temper Tantrum, no one, blogger or reader or JOURNALIST OF THE WORLD requires my observations to be on their guard (and even if any should need it warning and warning and warning Tommy in real time in his dealings with these characters had no effect at all, so even then it would be pointless.)

    I was just trying to think it out for myself from the starting assumption that the unsourced and likely faked DM’s shown above were real.

    It doesn’t make sense for them to be real, the internal logic of them doesn’t work at all. His scheme required drawing lots of attention to his twitter following habits and in a very negative light, when it might otherwise not be very much remarked on. Getting to 50,000 followers is insufficient motive for that, so what other motivation could justify creating lots of suspicion and attention regarding bad habits that exist?

    SarahW (af7312)

  17. Comment by rbj — 6/20/2011 @ 7:56 am

    I’m with you! haha

    Comment by goatsred — 6/20/2011 @ 8:00 am

    What’s your take on those new DM caps?

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  18. sara,

    IF these 6 “caps” are real (big IF), theory is that AW had GC create (or abduct) teen fans B&V personae as bait for #bornfreecrew, (hungry for evidence that AW is cybercasanova) @AndrewBreitbart, & @DLoesch. “Girls” have cyber-crushes on RAW, yet he always acts appropriately (though B&V’s smitten tweets may be taken as suggestive of RAW’s behavior if one had a psycho-fixation on RAW…see @PatriotUSA76 interview with FilmLadd). #bornfreecrew issues warnings “we’re on to AW’s <3 for girls" to all via twitter, but that goes nowhere, as far as RAW & GC know. Stepping it ups, V (GC under direction of RAW) dangles a little red meat for Mike ("B has AW's naughties"),( all allegedly..this is the theory that these “caps” allege to confirm.)

    This all makes its way to Breitbart, et al, who investigate but never publish as it's not verifiable. (See TC's first piece) The "Bigs" had the B&V stuff earlier…pre-#weinergate.

    Meanwhile, RAW f's up and sends undies shot ("part of joke"…joke they were playing on #bornfreecrew & @AndrewBreitbart, etc) as an @GC instead of DM GC. uh-oh. "I was hacked". The Bigs publish it soon "I was hacked" is absolutely news, straight from the source, RAW. BIGS don’t mention B&V angle.

    So the undies shot becomes the story after @PatriotUSA76 sees it for the few minutes it was up.

    As for these "caps," Of course we have to be skeptical! Seattle545’s handle refers to the heads up Tweet that RAW sent prior to undies shot, supposedly as a nod to GC, the alleged accomplice.

    When TC publishes the "Breitbart didn't post the teen story" story, then B&V are on the table for all of us to wonder about. (Had been in Breitbart's back pocket prior to this.) TC believes the false IDs, not mentioned in original piece, which does include the over-the-top, indignant defense of RAW by “Mrs Betty” (B’s alleged mom). Couldn’t have been written better by RAW himself, in fact. Raises eyebrows.

    Don’t forget RAW’s interview with Jonathan Karl on June 1 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/flashback-weiners-web-lies-13776485 It’s “at one” with the mind & voice of “Mrs Betty” don’t you think?

    See my posts 6/18 here: http://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/#comment-806563 #133

    And 6/19 8:16 AM here: http://leestranahan.com/weinergate-what-we-know-for-sure-about-bv

    That GC, upon an earlier return to Twitter, follows @tommyxtopher straight away.

    See Update 11 here: http://ironicsurrealism.com/2011/05/28/femme-fatale-gennettenicole-at-center-of-weinergate-twitter-scandal-i-wonder-what-my-boyfriend-repweiner-is-up-to-right-now/

    So who can figure out if the caps on shareimages.com are just photoshops or come from something more real?

    koam (2b4b88)

  19. Thanks Koam. I saw your reply in the other thread.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  20. Koam, it that context the “realness” of the DMs can make more sense.

    If Weiner truly believed Breitbart had the goods or was getting too close to the fire with some of Weiner’s habits regarding other “galpals” and even Ethel, then a campaign to draw in people to pay attention to Nikki Reid and Marianela, resulting in affirmations of Weiner’s perfect innocence…

    no no wait that still doesn’t make sense. How does that make any sense?
    That was too over the top to ever be believed and it would be too risky pictures of his erection to end up in the paper, even if properly sent as a DM to punk the manufactured “trolls”.

    SarahW (af7312)

  21. YW sara. I figured this thread was the news now.

    Lee’s summary at top about NYT’s Jen’s continuing to ignore the blatant fact that B&V&MrsB ended up crazy pro-RAW, is the most important part. (I keep going back to that Jonathan Karl RAW interview June 1 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/flashback-weiners-web-lies-13776485) With a wig, it’s Mrs. Betty….or perhaps her soulmate.

    Lee’s right. There’s little evidence that the B&V characters (real or not) were attempting to collect info against RAW. But after NYT story came out Friday, most of the tweets, etc. pushing Jen’s story said that this was evidence of right-wing conspiracy.

    I still hold out hope that Jen Preston isn’t a Joan Walsh or Colby Hall, and, as new facts come to light, that she will abandon the pretense that B&V are anti-RAW figures. Jen looks more honest than Joan and isn’t so deep into this that she cannot redeem herself.

    koam (2b4b88)

  22. Seriously? More with the Weiner stuff?

    JK (3a5687)

  23. Koam

    The source of the pictures can reveal him/herself and method of obtaining them, releasing all records of account activity.

    Weiner or Nicole can deny them or admit them. (right).

    Police could run across them in a tangentially related criminal investigation and use it as evidence of what…obstruction? Conspiracy (to get away with naughty coms with 17yo) Wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

    Mike Stack could sue for harassment or defamation and get access to twitter records.

    I dont think there is any way to unflatten the image now that it’s out of photoshop format, there would have to be other tells of manipulation and I don’t immediately see any, although someone with photoshop might be able to enhance the images enough to spot a cut and paste or clone.

    SarahW (af7312)

  24. JK – is anyone forcing you to read and/or comment?

    JD (29e1cd)

  25. Koam, what do you think of Stranahan’s “Panic” theory – that it could have been anti-weiner spy-ops and an attempt to draw out information from his other followers, but screeching brakes had to be applied when the real twittered underpants freak-show changed everthing… and made it seem necessary to spy-ops to misdirect from the original devious plan.

    SarahW (af7312)

  26. Interesting dates (May 15 & 16) on the ??fake/real?? tweets above.

    On May 16, he began following the girl again, and over the next 10 days they had three private message exchanges, the family member said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/nyregion/weiner-says-he-sent-private-messages-to-girl-17.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

    NYT’s twitter story?

    I had asked for an interview after my editor noticed that Mr. Weiner’s Twitter feed was punchier and more candid than that of the average elected official, and that he sometimes seemed just 140 characters away from a career-bungling mistake. So we decided to do an article on his use of social media, and he was happy to cooperate.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/a-candid-and-prophetic-interview-with-weiner/

    From statement published in NYDailyNews:

    The account that these tweets were sent from was familiar to me; this person had harassed me many times after the Congressman followed me on Twitter a month or so ago. Since I had dealt with this person and his cohorts before I assumed that the tweet and the picture were their latest attempts at defaming the Congressman and harassing his supporters.

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-05-29/local/29618799_1_tweets-twitter-mistress

    –begin of blockquote–

    Throughout May, Mr. Wolfe and other members contacted other young women Mr. Weiner was following, including a 16-year-old from California who started a campaign on Twitter to get the congressman to be her prom date.

    The next day, Mr. Stack, posting on Twitter, sent her a message saying in part, “if you’re a minor and he’s following you, well, seems a little creepy if not in ny,” copying @RepWeiner on the post. The next day, on May 18, the girl posted: “Well @RepWeiner unfollowed me.”

    –end of blockquote–

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/08/nyregion/conservative-group-scanned-weiners-posts-warned-women.html

    ltw (370236)

  27. Koam , the most logical for Weiner attackers would be to just shut down their accounts after the dick pic was tweeted.
    They wouldn’t want any more attention , and it would be a plausible scenario that two teenage girls got scared and would flee from the attention to try to stay anonymous.
    But hanging around after the dick tweet and switching to pro-wiener and contacting media , would only be logical if it was a counter-honeypot operation.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  28. Saraw, why wouldn’t they just try to disappear if they were there to attack wiener and it blowed up?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  29. Temper Tantrum, I follow you until the “counter-honeypot” terminology.

    What do you mean by that?

    Do you mean B&V were a straight-up honeypot operation (in computer speak that’s a lure designed solely to collect data about attack methods and thereby enable better defense against attackers) or do you mean something else?

    SarahW (af7312)

  30. Temper Tantrum – that is what someone good at their job who had any sense at all would do.

    SarahW (af7312)

  31. That was to your 30, TT.

    SarahW (af7312)

  32. Stranahan had a theory on his radio show that he tossed around for a minute or two – that there was some panic about keeping an anti-weiner spy-op concealed, so they went all pro-weiner to misdirect.

    I don’t think that’s what happened at all, but lee put it out there for consideration.

    SarahW (af7312)

  33. Saraw, maybe “counter honeypot” is a bad terminology, their behavior were the opposite of what a honeypot would do though .
    The B&V were probably there to mess with right wingers , maybe punk them into something to discredit right wing bloggers and media?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  34. @patterico
    Can the tweet poster’s URL be tracked from your site and Ace?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  35. Yes, the biggest disconnect for me is the idea that *B&V’s* intentions were to set up Weiner and the subsequent statements that followed. Attack Weiner then defend Weiner. Doesn’t make sense.

    Deflection and defend sound more plausible. But the fact that Nikki/starchild twitter feed existed beforehand, and that Lee knows who they are (?which is still confusing to me?) doesn’t fit the GN is Nikki theory.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  36. Plot Solving101= who profits?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  37. Comment by bmertz — 6/20/2011 @ 9:39 am

    Who would profit in this sordid story? The girls? The people of NY? Anyone who is sick of seeing him on TV?

    Weiner, if he is going through a mid-life, baby on the way, I want out of my marriage, freak out.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  38. I just finally had a chance to listen to Lee’s radio show. Several times he mentioned the JG who does “political work”. A caller asked if the political work trended left or right. That was an obvious question that I was surprised Lee had not already divulged. Lee answered rather vaguely (I thought) by insinuating it was “something else”. I took that as his meaning the “political” person, through past work, is known to have either an agenda or an extremely useful skill.

    Does anybody following more closely than I know more about this “political work” that they can shed light on, or speculate about?

    elissa (1bb674)

  39. As much as I love a good conspiracy theory, and I have thoroughly enjoyed this month of weinergate, and all the speculation and fall out, I have all along felt that the most simplest and obvious scenarios are usually the truth.

    He flubbed a DM, and sent the pic. That was the easiest scenario, and the truthiest.

    Now, with Nikki/Marianela…what’s the easiest, most obvious scenario?

    Without their statements on Mediaite, I would guess a trap by someone that heard about his online habits. With those statements I just doesn’t make sense to me.

    Lee is way too cryptic for me… I don’t get what he’s getting at.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  40. Weiner: Breitbart! He’s on to me. How shall I stop him? And hmmmm, while simultaneously boosting my twitter greatness? I shall call upon my trusty bustyand21pal, GennetteNicole.

    Gennette Nicole: We can do this! First we take old twitter accounts that have been sleeping, and awaiting use in some future scheme.

    Weiner: Brilliant! And you shall tweet for them. But first we shall create a Ronald Reagan Crying 9/11 eagle patriot to draw in the rubes essential to our plan.

    Gennette Nicole: I see your meaning! First this ultra-patriot will mention me. Me Me Me, and how gorgeous and schoolyard fresh I am! Then this ultra-patriot will notice Ethel, and bring up marching band constantly. He shall cast aspersions!

    Gennette: All the while I will pretend to correspond with these accounts that I am tweeting for.

    Gennette: Ultra patiot will egg on the rubes. As Nikki I will make embarrassing requests to you for a prom date. I will pretend to ask Genette and Ginger Lee about you.

    Gennette: As Marianela, I will flatter the one who seems to have a shade or two in his past. I will tell him “Nikki” being harassed by Ethel, and that Weiner is accusing “Nikki”, and I will keep it very vague!

    Gennette: Then you will DM my Gennette account a penis! I will “tell” Nikki- and as Nikki I will tell BREITBART! And then we shall stall BREITBART or something.

    Gennett OH YES, by inventing a tale of naughtiness, but then have Marianela deny all! Muhhaaaaa

    Weiner: Oops.

    GEnnette: I better have Ultra-patriot RT that to everybody.

    Weiner: Ok.

    Gennette: NOW WE STRIKE!

    SarahW (af7312)

  41. Ah, SarahW–

    I see we have now moved on to the Shakespeare version of Weinergate.

    Lay on McDuff!

    elissa (1bb674)

  42. Comment by elissa — 6/20/2011 @ 9:47 am

    I didn’t get it either, and that is something I wanted to know.

    Like I said, he is waaaay too cryptic for me.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  43. Does anybody following more closely than I know more about this “political work” that they can shed light on, or speculate about?

    I know who he’s talking about and she’s libertarian… and I also think there’s a good possibility she’s being framed…

    soren (e936bf)

  44. Someone ought to actually CALL the university and speak to Ms. Libertarian JG.

    SarahW (af7312)

  45. I don’t think it’s that JG either or at least there’s a fair chance it’s not.

    SarahW (af7312)

  46. I might need to listen to Lee’s show again, but wasn’t JG saying she was being attacked/receiving death threats, but she is NOT the right person – that she isn’t Nikki?

    But, Lee believes she is, because of her wonky death threat story?

    Is that right?

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  47. Well, there is more wonkiness to the story proffered than THAT.

    SarahW (af7312)

  48. Lee said B/V and UCLA’s JG might be all one in the same busy girl, and that she wasn’t Left or Right (not Libertarian either) but possibly a mercenary in the pay of (?).

    I don’t buy it. The stink from this is a career ender. Anyone in it only for the bucks has got to know the downside is disqualification from the political arena in perpetuity. Mercenaries, by definition, come with a well developed instinct for self-preservation, and would know the jig was up and would have already gone to ground.

    Only fools, true believers, and those with no other way out could possibly convince themselves to risk permanent excommunication in order to stay in a loosing game.

    ropelight (68e9fb)

  49. But, Lee believes she is, because of her wonky death threat story?

    Is that right?

    That’s right… that’s what Lee believes… but I believe the person who talked to Lee wasn’t any of the JGs(there may be 2 or just 1, prolly 1)… that the person on the phone was aiming to setup JG…

    soren (e936bf)

  50. sarainitaly, my impression is that lee got many reasons to believe that the JG is behind nikki.

    She said she got 2 death threats but she still hadn’t called the police or the security on the univerity, but she called lee….

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  51. If that number is so obtainable, Lee ought to be able to call her and speak to her about it again.

    Mind, this person was claiming to be a student, when she is instead some sort of faculty.

    It wasn’t just the threat part that was wonky, it was her way of telling her story. It was the blocking of her number. It was small detaisl, including over-ffamiliarity with a long-cancelled account – and even the mis-matched accent.

    There’s no getting out of the descent of the press now; if that’s the lady the story will unravel.

    If it is not the lady, then the story takes another turn.

    SarahW (af7312)

  52. so..in the pay of who, someone intent on destroying weiner, or defending? cuz like i keep saying, the statements don’t support a destroy theory – UNLESS TC wrote them, and *they* didn’t say those things.

    i need to listen to that show again, I guess. I just kept getting distracted by the cat. haha

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  53. It just feels to me like the way that B&V/Mrs B went right to TC with this is evidence of their savvy & and going to the guy who would do their bidding. He’s anti-right, anti-Breitbart. (Was TC’s “I hate to say this but Breitbart did the right thing” a major backfire for B&V?) The main message that really came out of that TC piece (slightly obscured by the headline) was that AW did absolutely nothing wrong with B&V and that they defend him and B’s parents do too…ferociously so.

    Panic, maybe, but is a Mrs-savvy-in-pacnic going to the relatively obscure Mediaite…with faked IDs, no less?

    I agree more that true panic means shut down and stay shut down, disappear. Like Dan Wolf did..oh wait, he didn’t. Like GC does…oh wait, she doesn’t. Like AW did when he said “no more interviews” on Monday…then did all-day interviews Tuesday then said “no more interviews Wednesday” then went out to the deli & the dry cleaners on foot each subsequent day. When you know you’re smarter than everyone else you know that you can convince them at all times, right?

    koam (2b4b88)

  54. Soren , didn’t lee say he’s been in contact with the “political” JG only by email, she dont wont to speak to him for some reason, and the “student” JG by email and phone.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  55. thanks for all the replies.

    this is one messed up story!

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  56. I agree more that true panic means shut down and stay shut down, disappear.

    I agree that panic means disappear. Like Weiner did with all of his photos after the dic-pic tweet. That was a huge clue to me that he sent it from the get go. He took an hour + to mention it, and completely gutted his accounts.

    OK, I have to leave. Thanks again. Someone figure this out, will ya? ;O)

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  57. (not Libertarian either) but possibly a mercenary in the pay of (?).

    No she is a libertarian… but one who does a lot of freelancing…

    I don’t think her though… Lee does apparently… that path definitely does need to be explored…

    And while I don’t think it’s her, I do think whoever is behind it is a professional in PR/Communications… and probably political communications.

    Soren , didn’t lee say he’s been in contact with the “political” JG only by email, she dont wont to speak to him for some reason, and the “student” JG by email and phone.

    Yeah, but he thinks the student JG doesn’t exist… there is only the political JG…

    If that number is so obtainable, Lee ought to be able to call her and speak to her about it again.

    The number was untraceable IIRC…

    soren (e936bf)

  58. Ok, so what is a plausible motive for Weiner to cook up this scheme with GC?

    Is Patriot really a persona apart from fake nikki and fake Marianela and Fake Mrs. Nikki? I don’t think that makes much sense.

    It seems ludicrous from almost any angle but in particular that one.

    Weiner, we know, has real bad habits and really had something to conceal. At least we can start from that assumption with confidence.

    Someone knew about it, and we know that list of people includes himself and assorted paramours.

    Pro-Weiner meant exposing and immunizing the behaviour, and/or catching out girls with loose lips on twitter so that they could be made to behave or discredited.

    Can you think of any other pro-weiner objective?

    Less pro-Weiner and more anti-Breitbart – cook up hoax, hope Breitbart bites, so that any other person coming forward is discounted and other reporters treat such reports as poison.

    Anti Weiner – try to catch him out or entrap, but disavow operation and support Weiner as misdirection once his REALLY REAL mistake outs him…

    Anti everyone – the entire game is all for lulz and to punk all that are punkable – maybe having contempt for all involved parties.

    SarahW (af7312)

  59. Soren, no there was a number to call. “Mandy” found one anyway. There will be boots on the ground headed her way and her peer’s way.

    SarahW (af7312)

  60. You all do know that Patriot reappeared, with an account linked to his old account, as @patriotUSA90210 ? Also he has a new pseudonym:Walter Plinge

    SarahW (af7312)

  61. Tommy Xtopher is a capital M mendoucheous capital T twatwaffle. Ditto Colby Hall.

    JD (479a59)

  62. Re the questions about JG.

    Lee says that his JG says she’s a student and her number is in the directory.

    Her “namesake” is in the directory and is/was a Staffer, not a student. The directory seems to indicate that she is a current staffer in what would be a very small department. The number given is a number to the office in which she work/worked. The voicemail on the number is answered (pre-business hours) by a male voice that states it’s the Department/Office, and makes no mention of anyone’s name.

    Her LinkedIn says that she is in fact no longer a staffer at that university, from which she graduated a long time ago. LinkedIn, and her personal web site, say that she left the university staff last year. LinkedIn indicates she may have moved to a different metro area…but her site does not. Perhaps the directory listing is just a ghost that never got cleaned up..or because she was a fundraiser, they left her name in the directory in case someone with funds decided to call at the end of the tax year and remembered her name rather than the name of the obscure department she worked in.

    The political background Lee mentions may be as a fundraiser for a non-left, not-exactly-right-but-not-non-right organization.

    Not explained other than “she’s sticking to old stories?” is that she claims to be student when she is actually former staff. Perhaps in a post-grad program now? dunno. As staffer she had worked in a Graduate Dept. So that could be a natural evolution…but her resume and LinkedIn don’t corroborate.

    I don’t know what to make of all this but don’t rule out this person may just be a bystander. I remain unconvinced…not critical, but I just don’t get it yet.

    koam (2b4b88)

  63. #59, soren, the defining characteristic of Libertarians is they’re ideologically driven, they keep the faith even at the expense of their own self-interests.

    Libertarians don’t compromise in order to win, it’s a point of personal integrity, and it’s non-negotiable.

    Just like there’s no such thing as a “square circle,” JC can’t be both a mercenary and a Libertarian. It’s one or the other, not both.

    ropelight (68e9fb)

  64. ==Less pro-Weiner and more anti-Breitbart – cook up hoax, hope Breitbart bites, so that any other person coming forward is discounted and other reporters treat such reports as poison==

    This is the one that feels right to me and best integrates the Mediaite angle. It also best fits Weiner’s almost immediate adoption of the words “prank” and “joke” when discussing with the press.

    There’s a reason for the existence of that old saw: “the best laid plans–yada yada”

    elissa (1bb674)

  65. I do not believe caps are real, yet.But if they were then I think scheme was cooked up by Cordova and he went along with it. Which makes their relationship pretty close.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  66. For the record I don’t believe PatriotUSA is faked by same person who may have faked B&V. PatUSA has always sounded to be like someone just being very cautious.

    Rocksem (5241c6)

  67. fair enough Rocksem. But this requires the addition of another fakey faker…motives unclear.

    I was just thumbing through JG’s (the fundraiser’s blog – a lot of shared links that I wouldn’t expect from a professional writer and fundraiser. It’s a little too um, something awful and 4chan memey for my idea of what a normal person her age and station would like. Of course it’s admittedly stuff that I would like and link, so what do I know.

    However it did surprise me. Also she kept up with Weiner news.

    SarahW (af7312)

  68. The B&V Twitterplot is a good example of how the radical left cripples itself by believing its own political propaganda. They really buy into the idea that their opponents are a bunch of ignorant rubes. Their various plots and plans will continue to fail as long as they continue acting on that premise.

    bmertz (d77c52)

  69. Does anyone find it kinda ironic that the person who posted the “screen caps” happened to use the handle seattle545?

    teebo (5c6207)

  70. elissa #66. – corect.

    And the MSM treated Breitbart like poison from the outset of this.

    Until:

    1) RAW called Dana Bash’s producer “this jackass”
    2) Jonathan Karl interview with RAW in which RAW dresses him the f down somethin’ awful.
    3) The day of media in his Capitol Hill office in which he takes on Brett Baier and all the other TV News hosts, one by one.

    After that, Breitbart was just spicy food, not poison. And then the amazing, stunning, NY Sheraton “confession” presser where we turn on the TV to see Weiner…and we see Andrew Breitbart.

    Still AB’s dissed by the MSM…but vindication takes time. Especially among those who still want to believe RAW, despite all they’ve seen.

    koam (2b4b88)

  71. Sarah #69.

    I looked at the blog and it’s full of cutesy stuff. Not the blog of someone who’s committing cyber conspiracies of this magnitude and receiving death threats….the cute continued through yesterday.

    I saw a Weiner story or 3 but it was simply comic in nature. Not someone who’s interested.

    I’m looking at the Google reader blog

    koam (2b4b88)

  72. We’re looking at the same one. The weiner stuff is hardly smoking gun, just indicates enough interest to post links about it as departure from demotivational and Brony posters.

    SarahW (af7312)

  73. It’s not girly cutesy at all, in my opinion. It’s not the stuff of shoes and tumblr blogs, it’s harder edged and more 4chan style.

    SarahW (af7312)

  74. I mean, the news stories she links between regretsy thongs are almost exclusively about Obamacare or Weiner.

    SarahW (af7312)

  75. I don’t know what I’m missing but I see a lot of cute kitty videos. DM me ? @wittier

    koam (2b4b88)

  76. koam, go to her blogger profile. She maintains five blogs.

    I never saw anything political on any of them. I never saw a commenter (who would likely be a friend or acquantance) refer to her as “Jenay”.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  77. Really? You didn’t see the Obamacare snark?

    SarahW (af7312)

  78. SarahW: no, but it was 3am.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  79. Isn’t it clear that Genette IS both Betty and Veronica and Weiner was in on it?

    Ginger Lee said that BEFORE the orginal dicpic Weiner told her that he was going to be in a Twitter scandal. How did he know unless it was the #BornFree scandal that he was helping create (and then expose as a hoax, Weiner is the hero, teaparty villains etc..)

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  80. Has it been established that the UCLA JG who is listed “Assoc Dir Dev” of a small department at UCLA is the same as the politcal JG with all the blogs?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  81. i’m lost. i hate this JG thing. I think it’s a conspiracy to take us all off the scent.

    koam (2b4b88)

  82. #81 coondawg68
    Interesting, but I missed that assertion by Ginger. Where is it?

    koam (2b4b88)

  83. I’m just saying I expected a more serious blog or at least a gentler humor blog from a fundraiser/writer. She comes across more like a B3tan or TotalFarker than I would have expected.

    (Planking,meme animals, Demotivational posters,Bronies,Regretsy,YUNO meme, “counting to poatato” and all of that.)

    She doesn’t link much news at all, what she does link is mostly related to Weiner with rare links dealing with housing market and drugs warish things. Weiner news dominates the last several weeks. There are almost no other news links.

    New Embarrassing Weiner Photo Emerges [Weinergate]
    via Gawker by Adrian Chen on 6/14/11

    Police Shooting Video Saved by Hidden Memory Card in Witness’ Mouth [Video]
    via Gizmodo by Sam Biddle on 6/8/11

    Jon Stewart Sheds Blood While Apologizing for Weiner [Video]

    via Gawker by Matt Cherette on 6/7/11

    George Takei On The Anthony Weiner Scandal
    via BuzzFeed – Latest on 6/7/11

    Gennette Cordova Lived Up to Her Superlative. Anthony Weiner Will Not
    via Daily Intel by Chris Rovzar on 6/7/11

    OMG epic reporter’s question
    via Say OMG by sayomg on 6/7/11

    Andrew Breitbart Claims Possession of More Weiner Wiener Photos [Updated]
    via Daily Intel by Dan Amira on 6/6/11

    Shiller Time: It’s official: we’re double dipping. According…
    via Curbed LA by Adrian Glick Kudler on 5/31/11

    Everyone Wants Bitcoins After Learning They Can Buy Drugs With Them [Economics]
    via Gawker by Adrian Chen on 6/3/11

    Anthony Weiner Calls the Cops on a Reporter [Weinergate]
    via Gawker by Adrian Chen on 6/2/11

    The stocks-housing disconnect
    via Felix Salmon by Felix Salmon on 5/31/11

    SarahW (af7312)

  84. I think it’s a conspiracy to take us all off the scent.

    Comment by koam — 6/20/2011 @ 12:04 pm

    Could be. Could be an effort to keep us speculating and paying attention to this issue instead of real issues.

    I mean, what would we be talking about if this issue didn’t exist? Who benefits most from these images being sent everywhere? Who is the king of astroturf? Who preaches the cleverness of agitation and paranoia?

    This seems to me similar to the screenshot of Obama’s COLB posted on Kos. It sent many on a long and tiresome chase when the reality was pretty easy to understand.

    Is anyone specifically taking responsibility for seeing these screenshots? Anyone able to say they are authentic? Let me guess: no.

    Weiner admitted he was in the pics. He admitted he sexted people and can’t deny the age aspect effectively. Tommy Christopher and Cordova and whoever else have been caught at the very least being shameless hacks.

    This further speculation probably has some base merit. Just as birther claims do (not because Obama is ineligible or wasn’t born here, but because at the root of it all, he’s only nominally American). But you can’t build anything on a foundation as weak as this, and you’re not building anything else at the same time.

    A lot of people are invested in this story, and it will be easy to continue playing them.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  85. I forgot to add that I think Dan Wolfe / @PatriotUSA76 is/was for real and obsessed with catching RAW. Dan (like many) didn’t like Weiner, watched RAW follow lots of cute gals and saw the angle to catch him doing something naughty. RAW’s behavior plays that out perfectly. The transcripts with the dirty vegas dealer…the TX gal, etc.

    I still buy the interview with that prickly filmmaker.

    Trying to claim that Dan is some kind of B&V fictional character…well you’re trying to make this into “Inception” or “The Matrix” or “Being John Malkovich.”

    But it’s really just “Sleuth”…and that’s plenty.

    koam (2b4b88)

  86. I forgot to add that I think Dan Wolfe / @PatriotUSA76 is/was for real

    Of course he was real. Just because some aren’t convinced doesn’t make that any less clear.

    Every con has a mark. He was, to some extent, the mark.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  87. I’d like to know what happened but I’m not holding my breath.

    And it’s perfectly true that Weiner, if he meant to conceal his bad habits, pushed them forward to the point where they ruined him as he ought to be ruined.

    SarahW (af7312)

  88. How do you explain the new Patriot account that is linked to his old tweets? PatiotUSA90210? Walter Plinge? Really? You are saying this new account isn’t linked to the old?

    SarahW (af7312)

  89. #86 Dustin. I said the JG story is to take us off the scent.

    The DM “caps” today & yesterday are not to take us off the scent. They are either real (though not likely) and tell the real story. or they are mocking us. I don’t think they are a intended to divert us from the truth by anyone who knows the real truth..interesting either way.

    JG may be a distraction.

    koam (2b4b88)

  90. From political JG’s Elance profile, under “Employment”

    UCLA
    Associate Director of Development 2007 – 2010

    UCLA JG = political JG

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  91. I’d like to know what happened but I’m not holding my breath.

    Well of course you do. Weiner is a bastard. His shills are bastards. Tommy and the rest are bastards. Who doesn’t want to know more about this? That’s what makes this effective agitation, Alinski style. There’s always an element of that. Who didn’t want to see that original birth certificate? There was nothing wrong with asking for it, but still, effective astroturf (and yeah, it totally was despite many honest people playing in).

    Really? You are saying this new account isn’t linked to the old?

    Comment by SarahW

    Yes.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  92. I don’t think they are a intended to divert us from the truth by anyone who knows the real truth..interesting either way.

    I’m thinking they are intended to keep this story alive. By those who do not really give a crap about Weiner or Cordova at all. Not because they are right wingers.

    the wheels of the bus go round and round, but sometimes, not because a politician is publicly blasting a recent ally.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  93. Comment by koam — 6/20/2011 @ 12:14 pm
    Comment by Dustin — 6/20/2011 @ 12:15 pm

    so would you agree that stranahan’s constant need to drag wolfe through the mud has been pathetic?

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  94. http://patterico.com/2011/06/20/questions-for-nyts-jen-preston-and-mediaites-tommy-christopher/comment-page-4/#comment-807023

    #85 SarahW

    we’re looking at different blogs. I’m looking at the cat video blog. of those headlines it only included the Jon Stewart re:RAW. and 2 other comic RAW ones.

    I found plenty of other blogs under her blog handle that she also uses ad Amazon and other sites.

    I’m not spreading more specifics about her because I remain unconvinced that it has any merit. I’ve tried to be vague. I still don’t get the JG fascination.

    And you’re using lots of jargon that I have to look up…not a complaint. I just don’t know all those terms for internet subcultures off the top of my head.

    koam (2b4b88)

  95. #95, not sure what you’re referring to re: wolfe

    koam (2b4b88)

  96. Next question: Is the “JG” who called Stranahan this same JG or an impersonator trying to misdirect?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  97. so would you agree that stranahan’s constant need to drag wolfe through the mud has been pathetic?

    Comment by razor419 —

    I’m done bashing Lee. I think he’s invested in that, and I disagree with it.

    Still, he’s just following the evidence wherever he can, tilted by his preconceptions like anyone else would be.

    It’s just that he and Patterico and others will keep this story alive, and that’s 100% their right and I’m not going to ask them to drop it because it’s not my business. I’m just going to note that it benefits the same people who constantly drum up astroturf nonsense, and they do tend to feed little things in a managed way they play off sincere efforts to learn the truth.

    It’s a very clever con artist who figures out how to play off an honest man.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  98. Just got a friendly advisory from Patriotusa90210 that he is not linked to PatriotUSA1776. I didn’t ask if linked to PatriotUSA1773

    SarahW (af7312)

  99. Dustin, are you Morpheus?

    koam (2b4b88)

  100. #100 SarahW.

    I’m not following the resurrection of Dan / Patriot thing.

    koam (2b4b88)

  101. I mean not understanding it…yet. What’s the gist?

    koam (2b4b88)

  102. Koam, re CoonDawg’s assertion re Ginger Lee (#81) per TMZ (more reliable than TC & the NYT combined),

    “In the May 12 email exchange — obtained by TMZ — Weiner warned Lee a “conservative blogger/troll” is trying to contact his female Twitter followers to do a story about them.”

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/10/congressman-anthony-weiner-representative-twitter-twitpic-underwear-scandal-ginger-lee-emails-senator-larry-craig-bathroom-sex/

    Note “email” – not Twitter exchanges.

    BTW, I believe Radaronline linked to PDF’s of the actual msg’s between Weiner & Lisa Weiss. But TMZ didn’t publish the actual email msg’s.

    Miranda (4104db)

  103. Koam, to condense, leaving out reference to internet subcultures, it had a harder, more vulgar edge than I would have expected, a little heavier on a certain kind of internet humor than I would think someone operating in a “take me seriously as a writer” world would link up with her resume.

    SarahW (af7312)

  104. 102 I don’t know what’s real anymore.

    SarahW (af7312)

  105. It’s a very clever con artist who figures out how to play off an honest man.

    That statement has multiple applications.
    Isn’t that the way of the world Dustin?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  106. #104 Miranda. Thank you for that reference.

    So the fact that RAW knew that #bornfreecrew was messaging his various GFs and various female followers (we all know that) …and that RAW had the ability to go to Twitter pages of the members of #bornfreecrew and see that they in all likelihood followed Breitbart Loesch and others associated with “right-wing” blog / journalism is proof enough for RAW that something negative might be coming out about him.

    Coondawg68 in #81, above, says that :

    Isn’t it clear that Genette IS both Betty and Veronica and Weiner was in on it?

    Ginger Lee said that BEFORE the orginal dicpic Weiner told her that he was going to be in a Twitter scandal. How did he know unless it was the #BornFree scandal that he was helping create (and then expose as a hoax, Weiner is the hero, teaparty villains etc..)

    GC being B&V in cahoots with RAW isn’t required at all for RAW to be alerting the GFs that they could be approached by the political opposition.

    I’m not being negative to the GC=B&V theory. Just that it’s not required at all as prereq for RAW warning the GFs about #bornfreecrew ‘s snooping.

    koam (2b4b88)

  107. #105 SarahW – we are looking at totally different blogs.

    koam (2b4b88)

  108. http://bit.ly/kfd4b0 ginger Lee’s statement.

    “When the tweet regarding his crotch went out, I had already been told by him of a Twitter sex scandal on the horizon.”

    What sex scandal had he told her about? Again this is supposedly BEFORE the crotch shot.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  109. Isn’t that the way of the world Dustin?

    Comment by bmertz

    I remember rewatching the 2008 debates. Pretending I didn’t read blogs, didn’t already have a tremendous disrespect for democrats, didn’t know Obama’s background or socialism. Just the candidates.

    I’d have voted for Obama. I want a deficit reduction, assertive foreign policy, transparent government, tax cuts, etc. He did a great job playing off people who want those things and yet are somehow too stupid to see that Obama is a complete liar.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  110. #108: True, especially when you consider that RAW knew he had something to hide and didn’t know how much #bornfree might know about it.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  111. coondawg68 weren’t there other people tweeting about a political take down before the crotch tweet ?
    It’s like a bunch of people saw this coming.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  112. 97.#95, not sure what you’re referring to re: wolfe

    Comment by koam — 6/20/2011 @ 12:25 pm
    —————
    do you follow stranahan on twitter? every new piece of information released leads lee to further speculate on wolfe’s authenticity. he has made many ridiculous assertions about wolfe on twitter.

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  113. Coondawg68. RAW knew something bad was coming (#bornfreecrew would @mention @RepWeiner in their tweets..it was kinda hard to miss!), whether he took action or not, which is possibly why he engaged GC (or someone else) to cook up the B&V thing to embarrass #bornfreecrew and Breitbart with a diversion. At least that’s the theory.

    koam (2b4b88)

  114. do you follow stranahan on twitter? every new piece of information released leads lee to further speculate on wolfe’s authenticity. he has made many ridiculous assertions about wolfe on twitter.

    Comment by razor419 — 6/20/2011 @ 12:53 pm

    He also took Canongate or whatever that a-hole’s name was seriously, when he was screaming lies about proof of hacks.

    Lee has been hostile towards Dan Wolfe, and my assumption is this is an effort to smoke Dan into the open to defend himself. Dan hasn’t bothered, thank goodness. Dan Wolfe: you can’t win this any other way than simply not playing at all. You will be eviscerated one way or the other, no matter what the facts are. Even if you think Lee is honest, which I do, someone will screw you.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  115. One thing is for sure – A fake Patriot in league with Gennette-as-fake-Nikki-and-Marianela (or Gennette-helpe-as-fake-N&M makes no sense at all. see also #42

    SarahW (af7312)

  116. #114. yes I follow @stranahan.

    Links would help to establish what’s meant by “dragging through mud” This is an ever-changing story so I don’t really know which claims are being referenced.

    koam (2b4b88)

  117. Not that I’m aware of. We were all shocked the day following the crotch shot. Warning Ginger Lee that the #bornfreecrew might be harassing her for following him is nothing like “a Twitter sex scandal on the horizon”

    If he did warn her, and as Allred said in the same conference “We will release all communications that back the statements we’ve made here” then there must be something, email, DM whatever that does reference such a potential “scandal”.

    That communication would be interesting to see.

    If these DM screenshots aren’t fake then it fits, perhaps as Ace says, all too well. Weiner was setting up a ‘sting’ with Gennette. What if, and this is just silly and me spit balling, what if the crotch shot was intended to be a DM to Gennette, not for sexting purposes but as something she could use to further the ‘hoax’,..

    That’s silly, I don’t believe that’s the case. But honestly none of the tertiary post-resignation revelations make a lick of sense.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  118. In Lee’s defense, that are reasons to cast a skeptical eye at Patriot. He came from nowhere, and his identity is confirmed by no one.

    In a situation where there are fake players with unknown origin and motives, it’s fair to question his involvement, and kick the tires of his story.

    SarahW (af7312)

  119. #117 SarahW
    You’re saying you don’t think it’s possible GC (or similar gf) was helping AW “get #bornfreecrew & Breitbart” by creating/directing B&V (aka N&M)?

    koam (2b4b88)

  120. This whole thing sounds familiar somehow…. I know!

    “I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you! But you would have known I am not a great fool – you would have counted on it – so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!”

    vizzini (14b4bf)

  121. something she could use to further the ‘hoax”

    This alone makes no sense as a “pro-weiner” move even as a kind of lure or trap (ostensibly, Gennette uses the pic to forward the case of Marianela) That’s because Weiners picture used to forward a “sting” could easily become a public embarrassment to himself and the dignity of his office – in the news, broadcast all over the place, and open the door to emergence of pictures we have seen that are of much less ambiguous ownership.

    SarahW (af7312)

  122. In Lee’s defense, that are reasons to cast a skeptical eye at Patriot. He came from nowhere, and his identity is confirmed by no one.

    That’s true. Though Lee didn’t confine himself to this analysis. He sexed it up a lot from there, and it’s interesting to observe how Patriot’s error is a “lie” and someone else’s is not, based on what appears to be Lee’s prediction about the best way to get someone to open up. Are they a blowhard who will defend themselves or an egomaniac who wants to be greased?

    Anyway, Lee’s primary motivation is to learn more, but that doesn’t mean folks will like how he goes about it.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  123. koam I subscribe to the theory. It is possible too that Gennette didn’t know Weiner had actually BEEN cybering these other women. She may have seen the #bornfreecrew as delusional trolls and thought, hey, let’s screw with the trolls! Never realizing that there were multiple women out there, and Weiner never telling her.

    She might be “innocent” in this whole story.

    Also it’s more likely that his handlers, his Mr. Wolfe as it were took over the Betty and Verronica ID’s afterward to help do damage control.

    It would explain the fake ID and such that seems a bit out of a 21yr old Co-Ed’s league.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  124. Update: As for the documentation that Mrs B is said to have provided to TC, I searched the original TC piece and the letters “fax” don’t appear. http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbart-did-not-run-weinergate-evidence-which-turned-out-to-be-fabricated/

    In defending TC’s journo standards, Colby Hall, TC’s editor, writes of TC: “asking for, and receiving photo identification of all three sources (a driver’s license for the mother, and student IDs for the girls).”

    (Note that in an article that is specifically entirely about the TC-obtained evidence falling through on the identity of these 3 ladies, editor Colby Hall says that TC received the IDs themselves – that’s what his words say. He makes no mention of copies, email attachments, or faxes. Sloppy use of language, particularly when the central thrust of the article…is supposedly about scrutinizing / defending TC’s & Mediaite’s journalistic standards.) http://www.mediaite.com/online/mediaites-sources-on-weinergate-betty-and-veronica-turn-out-not-to-be-who-they-claimed/

    Of course, this was the same Colby Hall who, as reported by…you-guessed-it, Tommy Christopher, thought it was a good idea to go on TV and speculate that the original weiner shot was from a prior Weiner relationship. (Tommy calls this “only fair.”) http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mediaites-colby-hall-on-wpix-weinergate-photo-from-a-prior-relationship/

    To be “fair” to Tommy, we do have him to thank for the fun Betty & Veronica monikers. (Soon to be passe, per Lee.)

    Jen Preston in NYT is the one who uses the word “faxed” She writes:

    ” Then, in what seems to be an elaborate ruse, the Twitter user claiming to be Nikki Reid and then a woman claiming to be her mother contacted Tommy Christopher, a correspondent for Mediaite, the media blog. After first communicating online, Mr. Christopher said, the woman dismissed claims of incriminating evidence against Mr. Weiner and accused members of the #bornfreecrew of harassing her daughter and her daughter’s friend. The woman also made a statement, which offered a forceful defense of Mr. Weiner.

    She repeated this by phone to Mr. Christopher, who insisted the woman provide documentation confirming her identity. The woman faxed over a copy of a California driver’s license with her name, Patricia Reid, at a Los Angeles address, as well as school identification for the girls. But it turns out that the driver’s license and the school identification were fake, according to California state officials and school district officials.”

    koam (2b4b88)

  125. SarahW you are right, it makes no sense. I can’t see how it helps Weiner set up a sting in any way.

    I do think however that, as many have contended and discussed at length, Anthony Weiner LOVED his penis. He was proud of his penis, and seemed to relish grabbin’ his dick and showing it off to the world.

    If we assume everyone in this story is relativity sane, normal and moral EXCEPT Weiner then any action he directly is involved in shouldn’t be explained away with logic or reason.

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  126. TC will be on the Mike Malloy show (guest hosted by Brad Long) tonight. Details http://bradblog.com/

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  127. Dustin, are you Morpheus?

    Comment by koam —

    I’ve seen a commenter by that name at Ace and a few other places. If I comment at a blog, I use the name Dustin.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  128. coondawg68, Fair point about the penis-love. I might speak out of turn about what Weiner would like seen in public. His choices might not be as rational as I give him credit for.

    I have to confess I’m in the Dan Wolfe is more than a mystery man, he’s a creation of someone with an agenda. My tipping point includes the bizarre “no voice” requirement, when a recording telephone is easily got around, the vagueness of elements of his story that I don’t think ring true – and not at all the least point is that I think his profile is a cartoon, someone’s caricature of what a wing-nut tea party troll would be. His profile was, as are many elements of the drama before us including his own story, over the top.

    I think I said he was “all Reagan and 9/11 crying Eagle”. He was someone’s notion of what a tea-party troll would be. Until I know who he is I am willing to accept that I DON’T know who he is and I have good reason to doubt he is anything but a persona used to deceive, and I can’t only try to speculate about motives that make sense.

    SarahW (af7312)

  129. “I can only”, not “I can’t only” speculate.

    SarahW (af7312)

  130. try to speculate about motives that make sense.

    Comment by SarahW

    The one that makes the most sense is that one he claims.

    And his evidence turned out to be genuine.

    And you know, there are a lot of crying eagle Reagan fanboys out there. No, PatriotUSA76 and Krauthammer probably would not enjoy a cup of coffee together very much, but there are more PatriotUSA76 types at Tea Party rallies then there are people who are more polished, at least in my experience.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  131. Here’s the thing about Tommy. Why didn’t he just report what he was told, as what he was told? Why did he not only vouch for the accuracy of his retelling, but the sincerity and believability of the actors? Why did he say he was 100% CERTAIN of their tale being true, particularly Marianela (troubled teen) making it all up because she liked Snooki? He also should have said, I asked for ___ ID and received ____ to confirm, then said the address is near whatever and it made sense to him.
    WHY ON EARTH would he vouch for an ID he hasn’t even seen in original form? How could he possibly be certain that Nikki, half concealed in her avatar, was the same girl in the ID picture? Was there no other documentary proof of her existence to be had by any other means? Let alone her mother….

    Sometimes I think the worse. I think Tommy might have been so eager to suppress the Identity of the girls less as source protection or scoop protection but because of a nagging fear that they would be found out to be phony. That might not be fair, but I think it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  132. Dustin, it was a case of not only that (over the top caricature profile) but also the other things.

    It’s a package deal of doubt.

    SarahW (af7312)

  133. I think Tommy might have been so eager to suppress the Identity of the girls less as source protection or scoop protection but because of a nagging fear that they would be found out to be phony. That might not be fair, but I think it.

    That’s fair. Either way, Tommy has absolutely no reputation now. Not that he had much of one before, but he is clearly a very bad journalist. He was getting the way of the truth. Either he’s an unbelievably easy to manipulate hack, or he’s much worse. Either way, he’s everything the left pretends Breitbart is.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  134. Think the *worst.* My brain hurts, I’m taking rest.

    SarahW (af7312)

  135. also the other things.

    Granted, some of what he said didn’t add up. I understand that. I don’t think that means anything.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  136. This is starting to sound like the same concerned citizens (latest concerned citizen: Nicole Sandler) who will claim for all of time that JAMES O’KEEFE DID NOT WEAR THE PIMP SUIT when he stung ACORN.

    Breitbart and associates got the best of you on this kerfuffle. Get over it.

    Brad S (581b26)

  137. Did anyone catch this comment at Ace?

    http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=317803#c13466809

    410
    No, this simply can’t be the case. The first dic-pic was what brought Weiner down. It was wildly inappropriate in any context, and it’s simply impossible in any way shape or form that Weiner would have sent it intentionally.

    Really? He thought that he could pass that pic off at first as a hack, then a joke/prank. He thought he could get away with it, and would have been able to keep his job, if the other women hadn’t come forward. As it is, we know he tried to keep them quiet. His narcissism led him to believe that he could control the situation. When someone thinks they’re smarter than everyone else sometimes they actually do stupid ass shit. He certainly thought he could control the situation, and it was done and over before the rest of the pics started coming out.

    Posted by: Steph at June 20, 2011 03:33 PM (AkdC5)

    Has the idea that the original “slipped” photo tweet was intentional to “prove” account was hacked in order to head off the coming #bornfreecrew / Breitbart report been discussed?

    Crazy, I know…haven’t thought about it yet.

    koam (2b4b88)

  138. SarahW I follow/am followed by literally dozens of Dan/Patriot types. His interview rang true to me and the Smoking Gun smearing of him seemed to use real emails and hit home. I think he’s just a real guy who fell into the deep end of the pool

    coondawg68 (5fad4e)

  139. the Smoking Gun smearing of him seemed to use real emails and hit home.

    Did we every find out who leaked those? I asked Lee and he never answered, which I found slightly ominous (though he doesn’t seem to follow all these comment sections).

    Those emails appeared to be genuine and came out when a lot of people were trying to smoke him out. A private request to remain anonymous being leaked is outrageous.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  140. 131.Dustin, it was a case of not only that (over the top caricature profile) but also the other things.

    It’s a package deal of doubt.

    Comment by SarahW — 6/20/2011 @ 1:37 pm
    ————–
    i have seen enough evidence produced by wolfe to prove to me he is exactly who he has claimed to be from the beginning. it’s sad that lee and others are too far into the forest to see the trees…

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  141. Comment by Dustin — 6/20/2011 @ 2:03 pm
    ———-
    they also came out after breitbart tweeted for dan to call him because a story would be running on biggovernment later that afternoon. the bigs never ran their story, but TSG did. it all seems too convenient to be a coincidence. that said, wolfe has repeatedly said that he knows who released them and that they were blackmailed, so he doesn’t place blame on anyone.

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  142. As the world turns. It didn’t seem in Lee’s character to go that far, so I’m glad to learn this probably isn’t what happened.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  143. Well I’m sticking w/ my theory I had Sat evening – that Weiner had help from Dem pol/ops. I don’t think he & GC could have cooked all this up themselves. http://patterico.com/2011/06/18/timing-weinergate-nikki-reid/#comments #138

    From RAW’s standpoint – he knew he had potential grenades out in cyber-world – and he’s never been stupid. If the NYT editor noticed that RAW was tweeting borderline stuff (ref the city blog above), others had noticed it as well – for how long? Dems read the NYT faithfully – they would have been curious too. Plus of course Weiner knew the sharks were smelling blood in the water (the msg’s to Ginger Lee re conservative trolls etc).

    When you know there’s buckets of incriminating evidence of a scandal you created, and there’s no cover up possible – what can you do? Somehow confuse the issue – flood the media with info – create so much confusion in fact that the public no longer knows what’s true. Fake a set-up to poison the well – we know all that. But RAW, being the loose cannon that he is, DM’s GC the underwear shot (I still think he meant to send it to Ginger Lee). From then on the pol/ops were racing to control the story – ref. the contacts w/ TC, because they knew he’s no “Journalist” w/ a capital J. But the X-rated photo surfaced, the photos in the House gym, etc – it was worse than the pol/ops knew. The cart started racing before the horse.

    I think the “flooding” is going on now – the Jenay/Jenny/Jennifer George’s, whoever is at UCLA (don’t know who you guys are talking about), the “hysterical” woman calling Lee & talking about death threats, etc.

    RAW is an addict – most are very clever, arrogant, manipulative, and always think they can out-smart everybody else. They are also of course dishonest – Weiner lied to the people who were trying to help him & snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. What if things had gone according to plan, and no crotch-shot had surfaced, as a result of RAW accidentally tweeting same to GC? He could have gone public w/ a claim that he was being harassed etc. And the Betty & Veronica fable would have been out there for the media to gobble up (conserv’s trying to frame RAW, Weiner’s a good guy etc) – and they wouldn’t have been so curious, if the crotch shot hadn’t been sent to GC.

    Was it a perfect plan? Of course not. It was a crappy situation, and RAW/GC/the pol/ops were working with crap. There was no foolproof way to make this story disappear. But to sit back & wait for it to blow up wasn’t a good plan either.

    Re TC, I’ve speculated before that he actually wrote “Betty’s mom’s” pro-Weiner statement, with affirmation from “Mom” over the phone. Did TC rely on phone calls (same woman who called Lee, “hysterical”?), and maybe Twit pics of the fake ID’s? Kind of doubt that these operatives would risk faxing TC.

    BTW, don’t you think Weiner is absolutely climbing the walls, having to put up with Huma 24/7 now? He doesn’t have the anesthesia of sexting anymore. And no indication he’s going to any kind of treatment facility, which was the narrative pushed by the media. BTW, he finally submitted his official resignation, effective Tues at midnight: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/167397-weiner-to-submit-resignation-letter-tuesday-at-midnight

    Miranda (4104db)

  144. 140.As the world turns. It didn’t seem in Lee’s character to go that far, so I’m glad to learn this probably isn’t what happened.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/20/2011 @ 2:19 pm
    ————-
    that’s not true. lee deliberately told lies about me after i told him he would be humiliated. he claimed i sent him a log revealing dan’s new twitter ID. this, of course, was just another attempt to force dan to come forward… but it proves stranahan was/is willing to use lies and deceit to get his story. i told him to publish the so-called log or he was a proven liar. yes, lee, you are a proven liar.

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  145. BTW, don’t you think Weiner is absolutely climbing the walls, having to put up with Huma 24/7 now?

    I’ve said a prayer for him to find redemption through his family and leave power to better men and women. I also pray for world peace and to win the lottery I don’t play.

    . lee deliberately told lies about me after i told him he would be humiliated. he claimed i sent him a log revealing dan’s new twitter ID. this, of course, was just another attempt to force dan to come forward…

    Lee, do you have a response to this?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  146. Hey razor what’s all this? What is your involvement in this story?

    SarahW (af7312)

  147. Sometimes I think the worse. I think Tommy might have been so eager to suppress the Identity of the girls less as source protection or scoop protection but because of a nagging fear that they would be found out to be phony. That might not be fair, but I think it.

    Comment by SarahW — 6/20/2011 @ 1:36 pm

    I had wondered if the desire to conceal their identities was more of an attempt to protect Weiner….

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  148. I haven’t followed every detail, but missed the twitter log aspect.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  149. 144.Hey razor what’s all this? What is your involvement in this story?

    Comment by SarahW — 6/20/2011 @ 2:52 pm
    —————
    i have no involvement beyond being a person who has followed this story very closely from the beginning and i have found dan to be as forthcoming as would be expected. i read ace’s takedown of @danpolitico on twitter and got totally sucked in over the holiday weekend. of course, people like stranahan and ezra were insinuating i was a sock-puppet at one point. dan and i have been exchanging DMs off and on throughout, so i have had a few insights in regards to his behavior. stranahan was using dan as a source at the beginning, then he turned on him. why do you think dan was so critical of lee in the filmladd interview?

    razor419 (0fecf4)

  150. There are pathological liars out among us. Jon Lovitz did a pretty good caricature of one for years on SNL. Anthony Weiner has exhibited many signs that he is one and has been for years. He may well also have several other psychological pathologies.

    Any and all theories about Weinergate hoaxes/false identities/on line subterfuge/media compliance/illogical behaviors, etc., really need to factor in his mental state. He just does not operate within society as a normal, rational person does.

    elissa (1bb674)

  151. Weiners signature looks like a sperm.

    SusanT (355042)

  152. “(RAW) just does not operate within society as a normal, rational person” too true, Elissa. He really acts like a hard-core addict. To me, though, it’s always been a chicken/egg argument – was there a predisposition toward mental illness, that “caused” the hunger for an opiate – whether an actual drug or a compulsive or self-destructive activity? Or did the risky activities, which necessitated lying, eventually erode his mental health?

    Anyway, all that to say that we (ha! I’m no one important) can’t let up on Weiner & who helped him, and who tried to smear conservatives along the way. I’m not convinced he won’t try to run in the special election. I want him neutered (figuratively speaking, of course, to all the Podesta bots out there). And what really bothers me about Weiner is his wife – something really wrong there, w/ the Muslim bro’hood connections.

    Miranda (4104db)

  153. Miranda, good point to clarify–

    Note I said we should “factor in” his mental issues to all theories. In discussions about this around the web I see an awful lot of, “oh, that makes no sense”, or “why would he do such and such?” or “that seems counter-intuitive”. And I always think, well the man’s a freak. Who knows what made sense to him or what he might do to smear others or ensnare others in the process of covering himself.

    Yes, this whole plot line needs to be brought to some sort of conclusion and those who helped Weiner, or were duped by him, or lied for him (or whatever) behind the scenes, do need to be identified to find out how and why they did what they did.

    elissa (1bb674)

  154. Elissa, you’re making a lot of sense. There is no explanation for all of this that will make Weiner’s behavior sensible. For those who like conspiracy theories, this one will always appear to have loose ends.

    I mean, there are still a few who think Weiner was blackmailed into his confession.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  155. I read a theory today that the pic tweet to GC was no accident.

    koam (2b4b88)

  156. I read a theory today that the original accidental @tweet instead of DM to GC was planned.

    koam (0a6089)

  157. I have long warned conservatives not to trust Tommy Christopher. He comes and parties with us at conferences, but then writes things he knows not to be true about us.

    This latest horrible reporting of his is just one in a long string of pieces from him. When one tries to question him, he goes on a foul mouthed rant.

    Never trust a snake.

    Kathleen McKinley (447809)

  158. So back to the DM screen caps. Phony or not?

    koam (0a6089)

  159. To me it sure reads like Ms Cordova created the niki and marinela accounts and was coordinating what they would say…how could she guarantee what they would tweet ??

    Pamela (8502f8)

  160. RIGHT WING SPARKLE !!!!!!!!!!!

    JD (318f81)

  161. Does anyone have an explanation for why the May 5 rumor was tweeted via Mike, why Patriot did not tweet it himself? That rumor didn’t exactly match the B&V angle, Gennette, or Meagan Broussard. IIRC it was about pics and a teenaged girl who was NOT underaged. It doesn’t match any female that we know of so far, or maybe it was deliberately altered to protect the ID of the subject.

    Did Breitbart talk to/identify the person who tipped him off about Broussard?

    Patriot and Broussard have something in common.

    Not sure if it even matters. Or makes any sense.

    Agree with elissa completely, the guy’s a total narcissist, possibly gets off on risk, at some point needs to up the ante, anything is possible. the “joke” to Gennette makes sense as long as you accept this premise, that he’s not like you.

    Lisa (9f13d2)

  162. Does anyone have an explanation for why the May 5 rumor was tweeted via Mike, why Patriot did not tweet it himself?
    Comment by Lisa — 6/20/2011 @ 6:10 pm
    ————————
    wolfe says, “It got forwarded of a forward of a forward of a forward to me”. why do you doubt dan but believe stranahan, who i have already proven to be a liar?

    razor419 (04364e)

  163. Help. Why won’t my posts go up?

    koam (0a6089)

  164. Regarding the Tommy’s passion for protecting the “girls.”

    That’s a hard-wired thing with many men. If they can focus in a circumstance where they see another man doing something bad to a child, they have society’s permission to do whatever it takes to stop that. It’s a free pass to violence for a lot of guys. For Tommy, it was a pass to lash out at Kos & co. (Liberals may have the violence programmed out of them, but from the looks of TC, I’m not so sure). But you will see this again and again…the societal permission slip is “that guy did something to a kid”…and it unleashes the beast.

    & that’s what we saw with Tommy when that first story broke and his reaction to the Kos bloggers.

    koam (0a6089)

  165. To elaborate, a lot of guys may want to kill the guy driving slowly in front of them in the fast lane…or their boss…or the bank teller who asks for a 2nd form of ID. But society doesn’t give you the free pass to say whatever you want about those annoyances. (Their best buddies will hear it. I hear it.) But when it comes to protecting a kid (or in some cases a woman)..that’s the ticket to, as I said, unleash the beast. All bets are off. And guys talk like that ALL the time.

    koam (0a6089)

  166. koam, did Tommy really think he was protecting innocent girls? You still buy his account?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  167. TC on Malloy show: Even handed, defended Breitbart to an audience salivating for Breitbart blood. Skewered in comments.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  168. I have long warned conservatives not to trust Tommy Christopher.

    It does seem as though TC should have the strongest motive (and best information) to trace the source of the false ID’s.

    And yet he seems completely uninterested. Odd that.

    piglet (82546a)

  169. 160. Dustin, yes.

    He’s stupid.

    Only dishonest in rationalizing his own BS to protect his own beliefs, such as 1) the girls were real and, 2) when they turned out to have given him fake IDs, that 3) (he hopes) maybe they were still real, but just scared, or that 4) they were created by evil right-wingers who just wanted to do bad things to AW.

    4 x stupid…but dishonest with himself more than with his readers.

    koam (0a6089)

  170. He’s stupid.

    Perfectly valid explanation.

    Only dishonest in rationalizing his own BS

    I can see that. An egomaniac who can’t admit he got played, alternating between apeshiat and moderate depending on the situation.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  171. TC will be on the Stage Right Show tonight, midnight Eastern, per @CalebHowe.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  172. “I have long warned conservatives not to trust Tommy Christopher” says Kathleen.

    Absolutely. He IS a snake. I’ve read countless snarky know-it-all Mediaite posts by him. Look at his Twitter account right now – he tweets about fixing a WH briefing room door. “Look at me, pay attention to me, I’m a REAL JOURNALIST WITH A CAPITAL J – who sits in the White House briefing room! Pretentious *&%#!

    If he got snowed by B & V, why isn’t he mad as hell? Look at his reactions – use the reasonable person test – what if one of YOU had gotten lied to & used? On a story of national importance, that involved the possible (at the time) resignation of a U.S. Congressman? Would you just go on your merry way, give a very few interviews, get mad at people who are not to blame (like Lee), and then just let it go?

    Care about children? Heck no. He defended the Nazi Helen Thomas until finally Mediaite couldn’t handle one more kissy-kissy article.

    I actually thought he was gay (not meant as a pejorative) – I suppose because he reminds me of Perez Hilton. That’s it – he’s the Perez Hilton of the WH Correspondents’ Assoc’n.

    Miranda (4104db)

  173. Tommy C will be on radio tonight with Larry O’Connor

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stage-right/2011/06/21/monday-news-and-guest-tommyxtopher

    midnight

    koam (0a6089)

  174. “TC on Malloy show: Even handed, defended Breitbart to an audience salivating for Breitbart blood. Skewered in comments.”

    Molon Labe – With Brad Friedman hosting, what did you expect? Breitbart is Public Enemy No. 1 for Friedman and his gang of loony toon batsh*t crazy commenters. I still want to know how much Friedman was paid for flogging that stupid “not dressed as a pimp” narrative about the ACORN tapes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  175. Did the Stage Right show ever get their audio issues fixed? I’ll listen if they did, but otherwise, it’s not worth my time, respectfully. That one show I heard was torture.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  176. Wait, Brad Friedman hosts?

    That guy is extremely disreputable.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  177. Here is the link to the Stage Right Show at 12 AM ET / 9 AM PT.

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stage-right/2011/06/21/monday-news-and-guest-tommyxtopher

    Joe

    Joe Smith (54c0c1)

  178. daley: Apparently he’s still getting checks because he brought it up again as established fact. Also lied that Acorn videos have been pulled from BigGov web site.

    Friedman guest hosted. Of course the show was execrable. I wanted to hear Tommy’s tune in a friendly environment.

    As much as he is despised and maligned, it was the same tune.

    Last episode of StageRight had no audio problems.

    This may be a better link.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  179. “Apparently he’s still getting checks because he brought it up again as established fact.”

    Molon Labe – O’Keefe not being dressed as a pimp inside the ACORN offices is an established fact as people could see from the first tape. The issue has nothing to do with the substance of what was discussed inside those offices, as Brad well knows.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  180. Right, Daley. The entire thing would have been far less believable had O’Keefe been in a halloween costume like that. Instead, he looked more realistic while portraying a pimp.

    But I think Molon’s point is that Brad still pretends he’s found a ‘gotcha’ with that. ACORN was everything O’Keefe’s sting operation showed them to be, and everyone knows it. Especially ACORN and Media Matters, who just want more of this agitation ruining our cities so they are dependent on the ‘saving’ hand of democrats.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  181. Right that’s what I meant. I didn’t follow post-ACORN lib reaction.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  182. Re StageRightShow, the UStream feed has a chat box monitored by the host and his attractive producer @merdithdake.

    May have to register to post. Get crackin’ starts in 15 mins.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  183. Are you sure the name is legitimately Nikki Reid? That is the name of a character on the Young & the Restless. She used to be a stripper.

    LR (b2df61)

  184. UPDATE x2: Looking at these screenshots again. They look like fakes to the naked eye. Look at how the dates and times don’t line up.

    I say: bad Photoshop.

    Fascinating. Who did it? I’d love to know!

    Patterico (135ea8)

  185. I’m not seeing how the times don’t line up (I just switch the first and second set), but then, I’m not really familiar with this message system.

    I see the horizontal line over Weiner’s comments are not consistent in distance from his comment. Particularly the 15 May @ 9:30 comment.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  186. Look at the first DM allegedly from GennetteNicole.

    You get the date, and then the time jumps up noticeably.

    See that?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  187. You get the date, and then the time jumps up noticeably.

    See that?

    OK, yeah, now I see that. It’s freaking obvious.

    It’s so bad I have a hard time believing it was meant to survive scrutiny. I wonder if it was an effort to rope in a bunch of conservatives in a way that made Cordova look like a victim.

    Again she’s involved after we stopped worrying much about her, and again the narrative appears to be that she’s the victim.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  188. I noticed that on my own.

    It’s like I’m some kind of damn Photoshop expert or something.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  189. Comment by ian cormac — 6/20/2011 @ 7:28 pm

    As a former PUMA, I am reluctant to completely trust TC.

    http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/stalking-pumas-in-denver/

    I tend to disagree with the majority of what he writes, but I have tried to have a civil *relationship* with him lately, despite him getting pretty pissed at me a couple of times. He has written some fair pieces, but I have commented/told him his obvious liberal bias shines through, whether he thinks it does or not.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  190. I noticed that on my own.
    It’s like I’m some kind of damn Photoshop expert or something.

    Comment by Patterico — 6/21/2011 @ 12:06 am

    I just dumped the screen caps into photoshop and two of them are a mess. The one with three DMs from GN looks valid, the other two are definitely slapped together.

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  191. Oh, Tommy .

    Sarahw (af7312)

  192. Amazed anyone who is a regular photoshopper would not know perfectly well that cut and pastes and clones how, especially if viewed in Photoshop.. Even good work has to be cleaned up.

    Also the 50,000 followers thing was a giveaway. If this is the work of a political operative, he is very bad at his job.

    I’m starting to vote for obnoxious- crazed. Do you think gc is capable of that?

    Sarahw (af7312)

  193. I guess a motivation would be to cast more doubt on the first set of DMs?

    SarahW (af7312)

  194. 163.Does anyone have an explanation for why the May 5 rumor was tweeted via Mike, why Patriot did not tweet it himself?
    Comment by Lisa — 6/20/2011 @ 6:10 pm
    ————————
    wolfe says, “It got forwarded of a forward of a forward of a forward to me”. why do you doubt dan but believe stranahan, who i have already proven to be a liar?

    Comment by razor419 — 6/20/2011 @ 6:47 pm

    As far as why I tweeted something first, I didn’t put a name to it, I presented it as a “Blind Item” a la the New York Post Page Six. I tweeted it a few times BLINDLY.
    I was told that this was a story that was going to break via Wolfe via a reputable unnamed source.
    It was then RT’d many times to the whole #bornfree group which included my name.
    Then, Rep. Weiner’s name was added to it, along with a few other Northeast politicians’ names.

    goatsred (b20383)

  195. why do you doubt dan but believe stranahan, who i have already proven to be a liar?

    Last I heard (Sunday night), Lee was 50-60% convinced that Patriot is Betty, and 90% convinced that Betty is a woman in LA. He thinks Dan Wolfe doesn’t even exist. Isn’t that sort of the ultimate doubt? Wouldn’t trying to pick apart that reasoning be doubting him less than saying he’s a sockpuppet?!

    Lisa (e9b5b9)

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