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6/22/2011

The Owner of the Nikki Reid Account Speaks Out

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:56 pm



This post will reveal the first batch of alleged direct messages and e-mails from Gennette Cordova to Nikki Reid.

There is much more coming. This is just the initial batch. Perhaps the most interesting line I see is Gennette telling Nikki on June 6:

Hey. I’m not supposed to talk over messages anymore. If you want my number/you’re able to call, let me know.

Here is a screenshot of the DM:

Oh . . . there is JohnReid9’s statement that the DMs from Gennette Cordova regarding flirting with Weiner are genuine. I forgot about that part. We’ll get to that.

Before we get into the messages themselves, I want to provide you with some background. It’s my intention to tell you, not just what I know, but also what I do not know, about the person who is sending me this information.

Last night I was in conversation with a person who claims to be the father of Nikki Reid, the name used by the person who contacted Tommy Christopher shortly after the scandal broke, to tell Christopher that she had been hassled by a group of right-wingers led by Dan Wolfe. Nikki is the “Betty” from Tommy Christopher’s “Betty and Veronica” story, which (while flawed) is required background reading to understand any of this. On Twitter, the person who claims to be Reid’s father goes by the name “JohnReid9.”

I should pause here to say that, while I will refer to him as “Reid” in this post, I have not talked to him on the phone or by Skype. I do not know whether the person sending me this material is an Internet jokester, or the actual father of a young girl. I might have an opinion, but I am not going to share it, because my opinion is not really relevant. The bottom line is: I am not going to pretend that I know things, when in fact I don’t. I am not going to try to dress up my opinions as facts and pass them off on you.

I will simply tell you what I know, and what I don’t know, and let you make up your mind.

Here’s what I do know: There is considerable evidence that the JohnReid9 account that sent me this material is the account that “Nikki Reid” used after she abandoned the “starchild111″ Twitter account. I know that in part because Gennette Cordova admitted on Twitter last night that the John Reed account is the account that “Nikki” used to contact her:

Although I have redacted e-mail addresses from the material I am publishing here, I can confirm that the e-mail address used by Gennette in the e-mails Reid has sent me matches the e-mail address used by GennetteC in recent comments here. (I have e-mailed Gennette at that e-mail address to open a conversation and allow her to respond to this post, but she has not responded — which I expected, since in the past she has disdained responding to my questions, claiming I am not a “reputable journalist.”)

Ah, but how do we know that the GennetteC who comments here is the real GennetteC? Well, putting aside the tone of the comments, which I believe matches the tone of her Twitter messages, I can tell you that the IP address for GennetteC’s comments resolves to Bellingham, Washington. That’s where she lives. And GennetteC told us in one of her comments:

So this is where Nikki got her picture? Interesting. She made up a long story about the dog in the picture… his name was Max, named after her dog that she had before him who died.

She said that this morning. JohnReid9 last night sent me a direct message from Gennette to Nikki in which Gennette proves her bonafides to Nikki by saying Nikki’s dog’s name is Max:

Last night “JohnReid9″ went on the attack on Twitter, raging against Gennette Cordova and Jen Preston of the New York Times. Like me, JohnReid9 complained that Preston asserted Nikki was collecting information “against” Rep. Weiner, when in fact (JohnReid9 says), Nikki has always supported Weiner. Among his milder messages to Preston were these:

@NYT_JenPreston If you took the time to research any of the girls PUBLIC tweets DEFENDING & singing Rep Weiner’s praise you would not have

@NYT_JenPreston you would not have put out such a garbage filled article. Worthless, and full of lies. Shame on you and shame on NYT!

Read this lengthy excerpt of his tweet stream from last night. He gets far more harsh than that.

Regarding Gennette, JohnReid9 complained that Gennette was lying when she said she suspected Nikki of being fake. JohnReid9 threatened to publish Gennette’s alleged communications with Nikki.

@GNCordova @wittier @NYT_JenPreston That’s right, Gennette. We saved EVERYTHING.

. . . .

@GNCordova @wittier @NYT_JenPreston Perfect timing, Gennette. Only it’s too late. You’re a liar. We’re releasing everything.

. . . .

@Patterico We weren’t ever going to release those but since Gennette has lied mercilessly about Nikki we will be releasing everything. about 1 hour ago via web in reply to Patterico

Late last night, JohnReid9 agreed to allow me to publish those communications. This is the first batch.

I am going to let the information speak for itself. Whether you believe that “JohnReid9″ is who he says he is, or some kind of hoaxster, this is news, either way. I caution you not to reach any judgments until you have read everything he sends me, and have looked at his tweet stream from last night, in which he answered several of the questions people have had about his role in this matter.

What follows is the initial batch, which purports to be a set of communications from Gennette to Nikki after the scandal broke. In each case, to see the full screenshot more clearly, you will have to click on the screenshot, and open it in its own screen.

Gennette follows Nikki on May 29:

Gennette proves it is really Gennette by showing her knowledge that Nikki’s dog is named Max:

Keep in mind that, according to GennetteC’s comments, the dog in question is the dog from that phony photo that accompanied starchild111’s Twitter account.

That photo, as well as the photo of Nikki’s friend Marianela, has been shown to be a photo taken from elsewhere on the Web, as Joe Brooks revealed on Twitter and I posted here last night.

Again from May 29:

Still May 29:

Here is a threaded set of e-mails between Gennette and Nikki from June 1 and June 2. To make sense of it, you have to click on the screenshot to open it in its own window, and read it from bottom to top:

I am reproducing it here chronologically for those with poor eyesight. From Nikki:

Hi Gennette,

I’m sorry to bother you but this is really important.

Remember that girl whom I thought was my friend Marianela?

She betrayed me and followed goatsred. She is lying and saying all kinds of trash about me.

I blocked her and unfollowed her when I noticed they were following each other.

Please if she or anyone tries to follow you, block her.

I thought I could trust her. She has issues and clearly wants attention.

I am not sharing anything with anybody. I only spoke out to defend you and when I saw you did that on your own I stayed quiet after that.

Just be careful of this girl. I wanted to warn you.

Let me know if you’re ok.

Nikki :)

Gennette’s initial response, for which I don’t have a screenshot handy:

Hey,

I’m fine:) I mean I was freaking out at first but then I realized that this all has to die down soon and I know I haven’t down anything wrong. So I don’t feel like I have anything to worry about. Hopefully.

How are you?

Love
Gennette

This might be a good time to note something JohnReid9 said last night on Twitter:

@GNCordova do you sign an email to Nikki “Love Gennette” when you are “warning” someone about Nikki??? Shame on you! Nikki Defended you too!

Gennette then says (this starts a new e-mail thread, and is in the screenshot):

Nikki,

You have to stop talking to journalists! My name will be removed from this soon, I’m not involved.
People have stopped talking about me.

Nikki responds:

I haven’t talked to any journalists. My parents and I were contacted by Tommy Christopher because they saw my tweet to ginger lee.

So my parents flipped out that they were using my name. I don’t think my mom said anything about you.

Why who contacted you?

Gennette says:

Well how are you? Are you okay? I’m so sorry you’re involved in this. It freaking sucks. I still can’t believe it.

Nikki responds:

No don’t be sorry for me! I’m sorry for you!

Thank you for being so sweet and caring. I have been worried about you!

I was so upset and sad. You helped me during one of my worst times.

You were so sweet. How are you/family/friends holding up?

I know you are all being stalked/harassed with no shame.

This is ridiculous. These people are so sick! What is wrong with people’s perverse minds that they think they can get away with this?

And I feel bad for Rep Weiner too. I really hope he doesn’t lose his seat over this.

This story won’t seem to go away. I wish it would.

How are you feeling?

Gennette responds:

Nikki,

Yesterday was a good news day. And people seem to be getting sick of the story. I mean, it really is trivial compared to the other issues in the world. I feel like it’s over, at least for me. I’m so glad, this was such a nightmare.

Will you return to Twitter? Please say yes!

Gennette

Here is the June 6 DM that caught my attention, in which Gennette tells Nikki that she isn’t “supposed to” talk on DM any more:

And another June 6 DM:

Oh . . . one more thing. I wanted to cut to the chase and ask JohnReid9 whether this batch of alleged DMs from Gennette was real:

He says those DMs are real. He will be forwarding me this info later.

As the professional journalists say: Gennette Cordova could not be reached for comment.

So. There you have it. Some of it, anyway.

Reid promises me much, much more. He has already sent me some messages from “Ethel” that I have not had time to redact and present. And he says a lot more is on the way. Indeed, as I have been drafting this post, my gmail account has been lighting up with new e-mails allegedly showing direct messages from “Ethel” to Nikki.

. . . and from Anthony Weiner to Nikki.

Here is just one alleged DM from Weiner to Nikki, to whet your appetite:

a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush.

So: hang on for future posts. Read it all. Make up your own mind.

And I beg of you: please don’t let your opinions get ahead of the facts. Please. Haven’t we had enough of that already?

UPDATE: In case there is anyone reading this who doesn’t already know this: Nikki Reid’s family provided fake IDs to Tommy Christopher. I assume everyone who has read this far knows that, but it’s good to remind people of the basic facts. I will try to get JohnReid9 to talk more about that on the record in coming days.

347 Responses to “The Owner of the Nikki Reid Account Speaks Out”

  1. I am not going to try to dress up my opinions as facts and pass them off on you.

    Good. And shame on the NYT for not getting that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  2. Are you getting copies of the full headers on the email he’s forwarding to you? It could help prove/disprove their authenticity.

    Yeff (5cf143)

  3. Just asking- but how do we know for certain these are real and not photoshopped? If I missed an explanation I apologize.

    Jeremy (16b2c3)

  4. Oh wait, Reid is forwarding you the actual e-mails from twitter? sorry if i misunderstood

    Jeremy (16b2c3)

  5. Very interesting.

    Just a reminder:

    Also, tell “Nikki’s Dad” to hurry up and release the emails! I also have all of them… I only sent five.

    Comment by GennetteC — 6/22/2011 @ 9:36 am

    5 emails from her. No mention of DMs.

    MayBee (081489)

  6. how do we know for certain these are real and not photoshopped? If

    I think he’s giving you the best he’s got to that end in noting some corroboration.

    I don’t think it’s really possible to prove these aren’t forged. Anyway, we know Cordova is reading this blog, and that she’s been emailed by Patterico about this. I don’t think she’ll deny the authenticity, which is ultimately the best we can hope for for verification.

    These don’t make Cordova look as bad as I was expected based on Reid’s tenor. Anyone else have that impression?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  7. There is an observation I am dying to make, but I am simply going to stay out of offering my opinion on anything.

    Pretty sure someone will make it though.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  8. Was John Reid ever asked/did he answer as to why his daughter and her friend were using a fake pictures?

    Joseph (f00357)

  9. Gennette did not contact Nikki till AFTER the Weiner shot?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  10. Dustin- I completely misunderstood, I thought Reid had sent screenshots, but it looks like its the actual e-mails, thats what had me concerned

    Jeremy (16b2c3)

  11. Sorry Pat, I wasn’t ignoring you. The emails went to my junk folder.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  12. Nevermind.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  13. So Tommy Christopher, John Reid, and Gennette were all following each other within 4 people of Gennette getting back on twitter after the weinertweet.

    MayBee (081489)

  14. I am confiding my observation to a single person. Let it be noted here and now that I made the observation.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  15. What observation?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  16. What else happened on June 6th?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  17. Point 1: Inconsistency to examine:

    June 1, 3:44pm, Nikki says to GC: “I haven’t talked to any journalists. My parents and I were contacted by Tommy Christopher because they saw my tweet to ginger lee.”

    Tommy says Betty reached out to him by May 29 – June 3 story on B&V: “My back-and-forth on Twitter caught the attention of a young girl who had information about the story, and she contacted me. Since she is a minor, and at her parents’ request, I will identify her pseudonymously as Betty.” I don’t see why Tommy would lie about THAT fact. Tommy also says B’s info was a basis for reporting he did “Sunday afternoon” (i.e., May 29) – that’s really before #weinergate even got big. So Tommy is saying Betty started communicating with him by May 29, yet she seems to be saying on June 1 she hadn’t talked to anyone?

    Point 2:
    Where are Nikki’s DM’s to GN that elicited GN’s responses? I assume they are forthcoming and in patterico’s possession?

    Point 3:
    Re Weiner DM: “a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush.”

    This would have had to have been sent to Nikki on May 16 or May 17, and would be consistent with GC telling AW that NR was fake because she didn’t have a facebook. So basically, AW is called out NR in this DM.

    milowent (0f8248)

  18. Gennette-

    Who told you that you weren’t supposed to talk over messages any more? Why?

    cinyc (e023fd)

  19. well, i think speculation is okay, as long as you label it as such. you come up with hypotheses and then you test it by the facts you know, recognizing at all times, you don’t know for certain what is what.

    I will say that the captioned tweets almost have to be cut and pasted, because the first one cuts off mid-sentence.

    which doesn’t mean it is fake, but it makes it more complex than merely a screenshot.

    And okay, i have lost the plot a little on this, but… isn’t nikki reid at least partially a fake name? like maybe a real teenager, under a fake name? or at least giving out false personal data.

    And i don’t find anonymity suspicious. i mean i was anonymous for years as “A.W.” but at the same time, i didn’t expect anyone to believe my mere word on anything as a result.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  20. Weiner copped to the pic & apologized on June 6th.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  21. @Milowent

    Exactly!

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  22. How do you explain this: Needs to be asked

    According to Betty’s mother’s statement only two DM’s were done between Betty and Weiner.

    Statement:
    ‘When Rep Weiner followed my daughter the one and only message he sent her was welcoming her to his twitter followers…This was the one and only message that Rep Weiner sent our daughter. Our daughter sent a message thanking Rep Weiner for following her and thanking him for the welcome message. This was the one and only message our daughter sent to Rep Weiner.

    Alleged DM forthcoming from Reid does not fit into the Mothers description

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  23. Well now this tidbit would have proved they were fake a long time ago. No way is that dog’s name Max. Fake-ass sockdog.

    Lisa (386e39)

  24. Jeremy, thanks for pointing that out.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  25. It seems clear from these messages plus that statement that whoever was/is running these accounts (be it one person or a group) are fake to me. This stuff is so inconsistent (# of DMs, who contacted who, etc), if this is a father so worried about his daughter, wouldn’t he make sure to get his story right? Someone is feeling desperate…

    Kristina (439353)

  26. @cinyc

    No one told me not to talk over messages. I tried to tip Tommy Christopher off that they were fake. He told Nikki’s mom… “Nikki” confronted me about it so I couldn’t keep up the act anymore.
    So I told her to call me if she wanted to talk. I knew she couldn’t because she wasn’t real. This was the 5th or the 6th.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  27. The dog is fake. No max, no dog. Reid stated yesterday in his tweets the pics of the girls were fake.

    How to corroborate a fake dog on a fake picture’s name?

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  28. RocksEm,

    The first batch relates to their communications afterwards.

    I have been sent a TON more.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  29. @az5thdistrict: I bet that one alleged DM from AW to Nikki could be construed to be “the one and only message he sent her was welcoming her to his twitter followers” in Betty’s mom statement – though since john/nikki are already shown to be clear liars, there’s no reason they wouldn’t lie about a # of DMs.

    is johnreid still asserting he has a daughter named nikki and he made up a fake HS ID with pics of another girl to protect her identity?

    milowent (0f8248)

  30. Some b/g

    Marianela = “Veronica”

    JohnReid9 explains that the Reid names are not their real names in his tweets from last night. Earlier they had submitted photo IDs for Mrs. Reid, Nikki, & Marianela to Tommy Christopher as proof of identity. These IDs were found to be faked by Preston.

    Reid now maintains that the false names are for the family’s privacy.

    When I asked about the IDs, Reid answered:

    @wittier @tommyxtopher That was regrettable. We don’t want to be hounded for the rest of our lives. As we are now – without u even knowing about 2 hours ago via web in reply to wittier

    @wittier @tommyxtopher knowing our real names. It was out of self protection we did that. Not to be cruel. What is happening to us is cruel. about 2 hours ago via web in reply to wittier

    koam (7c1f46)

  31. The dog is fake. No max, no dog. Reid stated yesterday in his tweets the pics of the girls were fake.

    How to corroborate a fake dog on a fake picture’s name?

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 6/22/2011 @ 11:27 pm

    And Gennette would have known the dog was fake?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  32. Weird, if the DM from Weiner is true, that he’s put out by a hs girl not knowing he’s on FB (where he trolls for women). Some crush, he says. Not…won’t go there.

    MayBee (081489)

  33. Why would a teenager use a fake name/picture from the get go? I mean, “she” couldn’t have anticipated a reason for needing to remain anonymous.

    Joseph (f00357)

  34. How to corroborate a fake dog on a fake picture’s name?

    It was a story told by one side, and repeated by the other side to prove familiarity. It wasn’t true, but that’s not the point.

    MayBee (081489)

  35. @Milowent

    Exactly!

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/22/2011 @ 11:22 pm

    OK… at the very least, Tommy and Nikki have contradicted eachother.

    But why were you ‘supposed’ to stop contacting people via DM? Who was telling you what to do?

    I don’t see why Tommy would lie about THAT fact.

    M, that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be mistaken or lie about it for some unknown reason, though. ‘They came to me’ made it sound like the story just dropped in his lap. If Tommy sought them out, this does make fakery seem less likely, so I can see why a hoaxer would want to lie about it (in other words, the potential motive for a potential hoaxer to lie is obviously a lot stronger)

    Dustin (c16eca)

  36. @milowent

    Here’s the rest of mom’s statement sentence:

    “suggested he go to his website for more information. My husband and I were delighted with this message as it furthered our daughter’s interest in learning about government.”

    Forthcoming DM from weiner does not state anything close to that

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  37. 17. milowent point 2.
    I’ve asked Reid for those. He says he has some of those in screen shots & will send them.

    koam (7c1f46)

  38. How to corroborate a fake dog on a fake picture’s name?

    Comment by az5thdstrct — 6/22/2011 @ 11:27 pm

    Are you joking? Whether the dog is really named Max or really theirs doesn’t change that Cordova noted the name Max before the emails were published publicly. It doesn’t have to refer to a real dog.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  39. @koam – so reid wants us to believe he made up fake IDs when he knew tommy was sitting on story because he couldn’t verify his identity and so asked for same IDs? and then reid’s threaten to sue anyone who uses the girls pics in their statement to tommy! what a fuckin joke!! johnreid is so full of shit his eyes are brown.

    @maybee – that alleged weiner-to-nikki DM is trying to out Nikki as a fake, a teen without a facebook, just like Gennette has suggested

    last another comment from Tommy’s original B&V story: “Betty was one of those young girls, and their unwanted attention, she says, caused her to shut down her Twitter feed.”

    except Betty didn’t shut down her twitter (though she protected it) until after the dicktweet was sent out.

    milowent (0f8248)

  40. 19. Aaron

    Yes they are acknowledged to be fake names now by Reid. See 30.

    koam (7c1f46)

  41. @azdistrict5: good point. DM does not match statement.

    milowent (0f8248)

  42. ______________________________________________

    Like me, JohnReid9 complained that Preston asserted Nikki was collecting information “against” Rep. Weiner, when in fact (JohnReid9 says), Nikki has always supported Weine

    Real or fake, I’d say it’s a given that all the anonymous folks in this circus are of the left, the head clown, Anthony Weiner, not included. Such an assumption would be tentative if Weiner himself weren’t so brazen and shameless about his behavior. IOW, if someone wanted to smoke him out, and had an ulterior motive to do so (ie, anti-liberal sentiments) — and Weiner’s MO was very subtle and secretive — then perhaps that person might be of the right. Or someone who’d be forced into a doing a contortionist routine in order to make Weiner look bad, or forced into covering his or her tracks after attempting such a maneuver.

    Mark (411533)

  43. I’ll make an observation. No father in his right mind would expose his teenage daughter and his family to more scrutiny over something as ridiculous as this. To what end? To prove that GennetteC has not been completely forthright from the outset of this scandal? Well, stop the presses.

    The documentation itself seems credible enough, but the identity and the motivation of whomever is releasing it is highly, highly questionable at this stage.

    Morgen (955e25)

  44. #27 It doesn’t matter that the dog is fake. GC was only providing secret information (dog’s name) to establish her bona fides when connecting with Nikki on twitter, apparently from her second (?) twitter account.

    Also, does not mean that GC didn’t think Nikki was fake.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  45. Interesting, too, that Goatsred is singled out. Not Patriot.

    MayBee (081489)

  46. Why would a teenager use a fake name/picture from the get go? I mean, “she” couldn’t have anticipated a reason for needing to remain anonymous.

    Comment by Joseph

    And the picture just happened to be of a women with enough other online pictures to facilitate a fake ID.

    Also, does not mean that GC didn’t think Nikki was fake.

    Comment by Molon Labe

    Good point. Cordova could have been simply playing along with what she perceived to be a fake, hoping to learn more about them.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  47. outspoken socially aware men are include

    Barney Frank

    Bill Maher

    George Soros

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  48. @morgen (#43) – exactly, nobody legit would be releasing this info, they’d just let it lie. the idea that their fake IDs were besmirched by the NYTimes into protraying them as anti-weiner sockpuppets when they were really pro-weiner fake IDs? COME ON!

    the Nikki tweet that always made me think she was wishing for info on weiner was her May 18 tweet to Ethel (after AW dropped following Nikki, suspecting she was fake, on May 17):

    Betty: RT @[Ethel]: Funny that you said you had a crush on a married politician. Are you forreal?
    May 18 from Twitter

    — note that tweet from Nikki (Betty) followed an Ethel tweet about having a crush on a married man, not a married politician.

    milowent (0f8248)

  49. So I told her to call me if she wanted to talk. I knew she couldn’t because she wasn’t real. This was the 5th or the 6th.

    So, Gennette, these are from you?

    MayBee (081489)

  50. Has Gennette told us if these are her messages?

    Patterico (135ea8)

  51. #43

    I’m making the point that Nikki told gennette her dog name was max at some point when Nikki knew there was no dog

    Also,The forthcoming DM from weiner to Nikki. Weiner must not mean twitter follow??? Or how else to sent the DM if Nikki not following?

    “a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush”

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  52. Patterico- if that is her in the comments, she seems to be explaining the contents of the DMs.

    MayBee (081489)

  53. exactly, nobody legit would be releasing this info

    I agree, but I still think this is very strong evidence that Cordova was coordinating her response somehow, and her partner(s) instructed her to use phone calls instead of twitter messages on June 6. This is just forwarded Twitter notifications, so that’s relatively solid.

    Whoever is upset with Cordova might be elusive about their ID, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t proving something.

    – note that tweet from Nikki (Betty) followed an Ethel tweet about having a crush on a married man, not a married politician.

    Maybe I recall wrong, but weren’t there so many youtube links to Weiner and other references that it was practically impossible to miss which married man she was talking about?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  54. my opinion is all these tweet/screenshots appear to be real communications between GC and a fake person. a fake person that says on June 1, “And I feel bad for Rep Weiner too. I really hope he doesn’t lose his seat over this.”

    does this information prove nikki persona was really a pro-weiner person? no way.

    milowent (0f8248)

  55. Milowent,
    #2 Re: Where Nikki’s side of the DMs to Gennette are:

    Twitter does not offer email notifications of your side of a DM conversation. It gives you no way of keeping an official record of what DMs you sent from your account.

    [Note: i’m highly skeptical of the authenticity of any of these, despite my respect for Patterico. but i’m waiting to see all before reaching a conclusion]

    Lisa,
    Sockdog. Funny. :)

    Prudence (652501)

  56. az- maybe DM not sent to Nikki, but to Gennette? Or maybe she started following him? We don’t know yet!

    MayBee (081489)

  57. Nikki says: “My parents and I were contacted by Tommy Christopher because they saw my tweet to ginger lee.So my parents flipped out that they were using my name.”

    Totally makes sense — Dad Reid was super worried that his fake daughter’s fake name would be published by sort of real reporter Tommy Christopher.

    StarDaddy (bc8186)

  58. 29. milowent

    no. see 30.

    koam (7c1f46)

  59. #50 Maybe Weiner wasn’t talking about Nikki?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  60. milowent- did you help prove, with Cannonfire, that Weiner was hacked? Was that you or am I mistaken?

    MayBee (081489)

  61. The people who are in a position to deny the authenticity of these communications (and the ones to come) are free to do so. The burden is on them. I’ll assume them to be real unless presented with convincing proof otherwise. And I will certainly construe the silence of those people as an admission of authenticity.

    Average Joe (24fc2b)

  62. I’m making the point that Nikki told gennette her dog name was max at some point when Nikki knew there was no dog

    Also,The forthcoming DM from weiner to Nikki. Weiner must not mean twitter follow??? Or how else to sent the DM if Nikki not following?

    Yeah, Nikki knew there was no dog, which makes it unusual they would discuss the name of the dog. This is really weird.

    And yeah, I am not sure which high schooler Weiner is talking about. Someone clue me in if this is obvious.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  63. 58. koam – thanks, i saw that.

    btw, do teens really write the way nikki does in those email? I didn’t even think teens used email anymore, they just facebook everyone.

    milowent (0f8248)

  64. As George Costanza said: This thing is like an onion. The more layers you peel, the more it stinks.

    Joseph (f00357)

  65. @60 Maybee. That was me with the yfrog theory, but I never said Weiner was proven to be hacked, I just explained how it could have happened. Cannonfire took it much farther than I thought evidence permitted at the time.

    milowent (0f8248)

  66. does this information prove nikki persona was really a pro-weiner person? no way.

    Comment by milowent — 6/22/2011 @ 11:47 pm

    But… you just… quoted…

    oh well, you’re right ultimately, since we have no idea this person exists (to say the least).

    But the meme these were right wingers out to get Weiner has even less support.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  67. #50 Good point re Weiner to Nikki DM.

    Only way I see to rationalize it is AW meant “you had a crush on me before, and you’re only now following me on twitter and don’t know I’m on fb.”

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  68. Milowent you are way out ahead of the available info.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  69. MayBee

    I’m just going by Patterico’s statement:

    ‘Here is just one alleged DM from Weiner to Nikki, to whet your appetite:’

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  70. Patterico I’m not seeing it. Has someone mentioned it already?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  71. Dad Reid was super worried that his fake daughter’s fake name would be published by sort of real reporter Tommy Christopher.

    Comment by StarDaddy —

    I don’t recall: how did Tommy find these people? It says he contacted Nikki’s parents. How did he find her parents? With a phone book? That isn’t possible.

    This seems like proof Nikki’s claims are incorrect. Not just her name, but her story.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  72. @Dustin
    I wasn’t instructed to not use DMs. See comment 26.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  73. @71 dustin – Yep, and tommy’s mediaite story says Betty reached out to HIM, as early as May 29. Big contradiction in stories here.

    milowent (0f8248)

  74. do teens really write the way nikki does in those email

    teens don’t use whom a lot at all specially in email

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  75. #66

    That could explain it

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  76. Based upon refusing to reveal their real names to anyone, fake ids, and fake pictures, this “family” is either a fraud or extremely paranoid.

    It’d be one thing to try to hide this after the fact, but creating bullplop names/pictures for their twitter accounts right off the bat? Suspicious as all hell.

    Joseph (f00357)

  77. Sorry, Gennette, I missed #26.

    No one told me not to talk over messages. I tried to tip Tommy Christopher off that they were fake. He told Nikki’s mom… “Nikki” confronted me about it so I couldn’t keep up the act anymore.
    So I told her to call me if she wanted to talk. I knew she couldn’t because she wasn’t real. This was the 5th or the 6th.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/22/2011 @ 11:26 pm

    OK. I see what you’re saying. Much like others, you wanted to hear a real voice instead of just some internet static.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  78. Why is Gennette using John Reid account saying she isn’t supposed to DM if she already had Nikki’s email?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  79. Well, Tommy managed to talk to her, real or not.
    He also never mentioned Gennette thought they were fake.

    MayBee (081489)

  80. Rocksem, I hate to speculate on her behalf, but perhaps she was replying to an ongoing conversation she wanted to terminate.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  81. I loved the “I only sent 5 emails!” line from Gennette this morning. More finely walked lines.

    MayBee (081489)

  82. we know nikki/john are socks who won’t identify themselves and gave fake IDs to a reporter.

    we know johnreid is claiming to be incensed that the NY Times asserted he was anti-weiner, when he’s really pro-weiner, and he wants to release everything to show Jen Preston at NYTimes smeared his fake family.

    What the fuck is the point of all this? If they had juicy info that would take weiner down they would have released it long ago. If they had info that would save weiner (And are pro-weiner) they’d have released it long ago.

    For the life of me I can’t figure out the motivation of john reid.

    milowent (0f8248)

  83. Comment by Gennettec — 6/22/2011 @ 11:57 pm

    Are you vouching for these communications?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  84. What father in their right mind, after successfully keeping their true identity out of all this, would then jump back into it just because they didn’t like the way their daughter was portrayed in a WP article? Nobody even knows who his daughter is, if there is even a daughter to begin with.

    If anything, the daughter would be off Twitter for a while, or even lose the use of the computer except for school work. This just doesn’t ring true.

    Susie Q (653074)

  85. Molon Labe-

    Or people aren’t parsing the tweet correctly.

    a hs girl that has a crush on me and doesnt follow me or know im on fb. some crush.

    Nikki doesn’t follow RepWeiner or know he’s on Facebook. Not doesn’t follow RepWeiner on Twitter.

    cinyc (e023fd)

  86. Let’s get off Gennette’s case.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  87. Another perhaps minor point. In Nikki’s mothers statement via Tommy:

    ‘I would also like to add, that if this image with my daughter’s name appears or if her name or image appears in print anywhere or the image of her friend, both my husband and I and her classmate’s parents will be taking legal action against all blogs, members of the media that have published this information/images. We advise you to take it down immediately or you will deal with our attorneys.’

    But mother knew it was fake at the time. Maybe a minor point in attempt to persuade not to look for them. Even with fake pics!

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  88. Why would “the Reids” believe that she wasn’t “supposed” to talk over DM anymore?
    Surely she had told them she’d been texting with Rep Weiner. That day.

    MayBee (081489)

  89. Re: Weiner’s alleged DM to Nikki about “some crush.”

    [If this is a legit tweet] I take that as flirty teasing, i.e., “you say you have a big crush on me and yet you haven’t even bothered to find and follow me on facebook. *pout* sure doesn’t seem like you love me as much as you claim. *little shove on shoulder* *wink*”

    subtext: “Prove you love me. tell me more.”

    Prudence (652501)

  90. Rocksem, I hate to speculate on her behalf, but perhaps she was replying to an ongoing conversation she wanted to terminate.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/23/2011 @ 12:02 am

    But she specifically goes back and sends a later DM to exchange phone #. Why not just email it?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  91. Let’s get off Gennette’s case.

    Why?

    Seriously. Why?

    MayBee (081489)

  92. So, the daughter started using a fake name from the word go? And so did her friend? Because — why? And why a fake picture with a fake dog? Why TWO fake pictures…

    Let me see….is there anyone else in this story has has said they wanted to remain anonymous because they don’t want to get dragged into the story? Hmm. Starts with a P….

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  93. @89 or it means “you’re probably fake, because GN told me you seem fake.”

    milowent (0f8248)

  94. Let’s get off Gennette’s case.

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 12:04 am

    Who’s on Gennette’s case?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  95. In order to stop the speculation that his daughter didn’t actually exist he decided to jump back in the fray thus exposing his family to the spotlight again? Despite stating the reason for the lies/fake ids/fake names/fake pictures was to keep their identities secret?

    He had succeeded in doing just that. Who the hell would care whether or not people believed she’s real?

    Joseph (f00357)

  96. Gennette “My name will be removed from this soon, I’m not involved” Gennette?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  97. Gennette: “I’m not supposed to talk over messages anymore”

    You’ll forgive me for noting that this isn’t worded consistent with a decision you reached yourself to not use messages anymore.

    Bret (493d93)

  98. Yeah, happs. I just got a tweet from a US Congressman where he sent me a picture of his hard on. But I am not involved!

    Where is the–“What was he doing?” aspect of this conversation?

    MayBee (081489)

  99. 89.Let’s get off Gennette’s case.

    Why?

    Seriously. Why?

    Because you can’t throw an incomplete set of fake ids/fake accounts/maybe fake correspondence in her face and demand she address it.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  100. Patterico can you vouch the Gennette posting here is from Wash?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  101. But she specifically goes back and sends a later DM to exchange phone #. Why not just email it?

    Comment by RocksEm — 6/23/2011 @ 12:05 am

    Yeah, I shouldn’t speculate about that.

    But mother knew it was fake at the time. Maybe a minor point in attempt to persuade not to look for them. Even with fake pics!

    Comment by az5thdstrct

    I think the best explanation for this could be that it would be easier to identify the picture was fake if the picture was publicized, so they wanted to minimize that risk with a legal threat. Or perhaps someone got carried away in their acting.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  102. Let me see….is there anyone else in this story has has said they wanted to remain anonymous because they don’t want to get dragged into the story? Hmm. Starts with a P….

    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 6/23/2011

    You really don’t understand why someone wouldn’t want to be dragged through the mud? Might actually have a compelling reason that has nothing to do with this story.

    Susie Q (653074)

  103. Because you can’t throw an incomplete set of fake ids/fake accounts/maybe fake correspondence in her face and demand she address it.

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 12:11 am

    providing that’s actually here she is the one that came here. No one forced her.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  104. #99

    Exactly!!

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  105. and then the nikkster asks snooks “Why who contacted you?” and snooks doesn’t reply at all

    snooks is mostly concerned with keeping the nikkster away from reporters

    snooks is hiding something

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  106. Susie — how many people are going to fall that same line uttered by different sock puppets…and it TOTALLY MISSES THE POINT.

    These people had fake identities BEFORE this whole thing started. BEFORE the Weiner pic was sent.

    So, what justified being fake BEFORE that? They didn’t want to be dragged into…nothing?

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  107. Simple question for Gennette. Are these DM’s and screen shot real? If not, which ones are fake. Thanks.

    julian b (b33ef1)

  108. Why is Nikki warning GC off of MA on June 1? What exactly is Nikki worried about here?

    And what is Niki thanking GC for helping her with her worst time… Nikki’s worst time can’t be AW worst time, right? They probably weren’t that close.

    tier (4a939c)

  109. Because you can’t throw an incomplete set of fake ids/fake accounts/maybe fake correspondence in her face and demand she address it.

    Who is demanding anything from her?
    You want people to just not ask questions, or what?

    MayBee (081489)

  110. 99.But she specifically goes back and sends a later DM to exchange phone #. Why not just email it?

    Comment by RocksEm — 6/23/2011 @ 12:05 am

    Because sending email is like using a telegraph to young people (i.e., GC).

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  111. Re: Weiner’s alleged DM to Nikki about “some crush.”

    [If this is a legit tweet] I take that as flirty teasing, i.e., “you say you have a big crush on me and yet you haven’t even bothered to find and follow me on facebook. *pout* sure doesn’t seem like you love me as much as you claim. *little shove on shoulder* *wink*”

    subtext: “Prove you love me. tell me more.”

    Comment by Prudence — 6/23/2011 @ 12:04 am

    Ding ding ding ding ding! YES, that’s how it reads to me too. Exactly like that.

    dc (382560)

  112. There’s somebody else that got a sudden penchant for publishing full convo transcripts right around the same time as Mr Reid. Hmmm…

    Lisa (386e39)

  113. So, what justified being fake BEFORE that? They didn’t want to be dragged into…nothing?

    Comment by Lee Stranahan — 6/23/2011

    “p” was the only one I was discussing.

    Susie Q (653074)

  114. Joseph-

    Caches of Betty/Starchild111’s Twitter account seem to show that the dog picture wasn’t always there. Remember – that account has been around in some form since at least 2010.

    At one point, Starchild111 used clipart of a field of stars instead. One good question – perhaps one Gennette or johnreid9 or goatsred knows – is WHEN the Starchild111 photo was changed. The date could be relevant, particularly if it was done just before contacting Gennette, Ginger or RepWeiner – or afterwards.

    cinyc (e023fd)

  115. Because sending email is like using a telegraph to young people (i.e., GC).

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 12:17 am

    GC is the one that did not want to use DM. No mere disgust with email is going to override that.
    Can we stop with the stupid CYA conjecture about how people talk and act and deal with what’s here please?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  116. So can we assume Anthony Weiner DM’d his phone number to Gennette?

    MayBee (081489)

  117. Because sending email is like using a telegraph to young people (i.e., GC).

    Gennette’s the one asking for email on the 29th.

    MayBee (081489)

  118. Why on May 29th would Gennette think Starchild would be worried?

    MayBee (081489)

  119. Nikki was tweeting @ some Juan fellow. Has anyone ever asked him about it/them?

    Joseph (f00357)

  120. GC is the one that did not want to use DM. No mere disgust with email is going to override that.

    WTF? Maybe she wasn’t sitting in front of her effing computer and only had her phone with a twitter app?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  121. champagne wishes and caviar dreams everybody I’m a go bed

    here is the song for to go to sleep to

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  122. Nikki was using her ‘fathers’ account with GC on May 29th? Was she even noticed by press, sitesee’rs etc at this time to stop using starchild111 for privacy reasons?

    tier (4a939c)

  123. My parents and I were contacted by Tommy Christopher because they saw my tweet to ginger lee.

    Did Tommy contact Ethel, too?

    MayBee (081489)

  124. Okay 2 DMs on June 6th. One at 2:09 am the other 29 minutes later at 2:38 am.
    First message says GC will no longer talk over DMs but says ask for number.
    Nikki must have DMed and asked for GC’s phone # and it’s implied GC sent it.
    Because at 2:38 GC tells her to message her if and when she can talk. Then she can “explain more”.
    Explain more of what? There has to be a DM missing where GC explained something to Nikki & gave her her phone #.
    Perhaps explain what the person who told GC not to DM anymore is supposed to tell Nikki to do?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  125. WTF? Maybe she wasn’t sitting in front of her effing computer and only had her phone with a twitter app?

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 12:32 am

    Pathetic.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  126. Gennette’s the one asking for email on the 29th

    She not asking for email. She’s acknowledging that Nikki can send her something by email (likely cause it wouldn’t fit in a DM).

    Look at the next DM at 4:58 where Nikki has apparently hounded her about reading something she sent (by email, duh) and she says she hasn’t read it yet.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  127. Rocksem, no disrespect intended here (Seriously) but is there an angle you’re thinking of with these DMs vs Emails? I’m not seeing what the relevance of this would be.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  128. Pathetic.

    Comment by RocksEm

    And come on, dude. There’s no need for that. I had the same thought. Maybe she was just in twitter when she had the idea to send a message, or was replying to a message, or was using her SMS on her phone. It’s pure speculation, and let’s not get mad at people for being earnest points in response to other points.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  129. Rocksem, no disrespect intended here (Seriously) but is there an angle you’re thinking of with these DMs vs Emails? I’m not seeing what the relevance of this would be.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/23/2011 @ 12:37 am

    there’s an implied exchange between these DMs. Where is it?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  130. MayBee-

    May 29 is most likely the date of the following cached public tweet from the johnreid9 account. It was cached via Google from primal.com, but only shows up in the search results:

    “johnreid9 @GennetteC There is alot I’m working on to help defend u and stop this craziness and set the record straight. you are my friend. i miss u. …”

    In the earlier post, assuming the cache was not somehow faked, I asked Gennette to explain who was “help working to defend” her and “set the record straight”. If Nikki/johnreid9, how? I suppose Gennette might not have seen it.

    This is particularly strange since Betty’s notification of Veronica’s double dealing didn’t happen by e-mail until June 1 – though we don’t have all the DMs or facts yet.

    Gennette – can you please explain what you think this Tweet to you meant?

    Thanks.

    cinyc (e023fd)

  131. Comment by Dustin — 6/23/2011 @ 12:39 am

    It’s BS. GC said many times how she couldn’t leave her house due to all the publicity. It’s 2 o’clock in the morning, She isn’t far from her pc.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  132. OK, I see what you’re saying. You think the DMs skipped one. “There has to be a DM missing where GC explained something to Nikki & gave her her phone #.”

    Either that or Nikki sent her phone number, and Gennette replied to it with this ‘explained something’ which would naturally also provide the phone number.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  133. She not asking for email. She’s acknowledging that Nikki can send her something by email (likely cause it wouldn’t fit in a DM).

    Well, you are the one saying kids today just don’t email, it’s like using a telegraph! I’m just pointing out these two crazy kids emailed.

    MayBee (081489)

  134. It’s BS. GC said many times how she couldn’t leave her house due to all the publicity. It’s 2 o’clock in the morning, She isn’t far from her pc.

    Comment by RocksEm

    You are probably right. Though using email offers little advantage over using email.

    Nothing here is adding up for me, so obviously the ‘it’s BS’ conclusion is impossible to dismiss.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  135. Rocksem, no disrespect intended here (Seriously) but is there an angle you’re thinking of with these DMs vs Emails? I’m not seeing what the relevance of this would be.

    Comment by Dustin — 6/23/2011 @ 12:37 am

    Sorry. At first the DMs seem contradictory which is strange being so close togther. but now I think there is a missing exchange. The DMs were to signal when to call.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  136. #132 Isn’t it obvious that Nikki sent something by email that she wanted GC to read?

    And she sent it by email cause it won’t fit in a friggin tweet?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  137. cinyc- yeah. The weinertweet happened and then….what? Gennette started worrying right away about a teenage girl who didn’t get a weiner tweet? It’s her 4th follow after the whole incident. Why?

    And we know Gennette was texting with Weiner at this point, too.

    MayBee (081489)

  138. The apparently nefarious prohibition against DM’ing came in June 6. We are talking about May 29.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  139. Dustin,
    Bear in mind also later that day, June 6th, Weiner would cop to sending the dic pic. This activity, & GC statement not supposed to use DMs, smack of coordination with Weiner team. Something GC specifically denies. this whole bit sounds an awful lot like people trying to get their stories straight.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  140. Here’s something interesting. Look at the May 29 4:58pm DM.

    The DM was sent at 4:58 pm. But the auto-generated twitter notification was sent at 5:58pm.

    Why aren’t they in the same time zone?

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  141. RocksEm, you’re way off.
    PS whoever JohnReid is, he’s left out emails.

    Goodnight:)

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  142. However they initially hooked up, “Mama Reid” took center stage communicating with TC on behalf of her “daughter” and is all over the TC piece talking and writing and explaining and helping and providing docs to him. Whew!! Then, NYT Jen, liberally quoting Gennette, writes the article about fake IDs saying there are no girls and no mama, etc.

    Does center stage “Mama” take umbrage at this outrage, call Jen out, and accuse her and Gennette of being liars and misrepresenters? Why no, she. does. not. What “Mama Reid” does do is disappear from the scene entirely and has now apparently relocated to nowheres ville. Put another way, Center stage “Mama” has exited stage left.

    BUT a few days later there is a replacement in the play. “Papa Reid” shows up center stage essentially playing the same character “Mama” did earlier to “answer questions”. He’s now leading the charge to defend and explain and protect his innocent and maligned angel, along with Rep. Weiner, and is willing to go to great lengths to do so.

    I agree with the multiple commenters here who have already pointed out that “parents” seeking publicity not once, but twice, under the guise of protecting their “daughter” is total BS. Any normal family (if they really existed) would either go to ground–or would sell their story to the National Enquirer. The only reason both “Mama” and “Papa” and Gennette are interjecting is to deflect the investigation away from something and toward another direction entirely. There’s definitely a lot more to the Weiner saga, but all this too clever by half spinning–multiple fake personalities–and j’accuse stuff is just silly and amateurish.

    elissa (bde640)

  143. RocksEm, you’re way off.
    PS whoever JohnReid is, he’s left out emails.

    Goodnight:)

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/23/2011 @ 12:55 am

    So I’m way off, good. At least that means something. But if you are saying emails were left out that must mean this info here is correct.
    What did you need to “explain more” of?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  144. This shows that Nikki and Genette both were in contact with Tommy Christopher on May 29.

    Does this undermine some of Gennette’s claims she’s not talking to folks? Of course, just another indication of Milo’s point.

    So Tommy is saying Betty started communicating with him by May 29, yet she seems to be saying on June 1 she hadn’t talked to anyone?

    It appears we have proof of the former.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  145. Hey Gennette- I have an idea. Why don’t you just explain, in full, what happened?

    MayBee (081489)

  146. Somebody needs to pay attention to my #138.

    The Reid family is not even in the Pacific time zone. Must be a bitch to get that kid to school every day.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  147. @Maybee

    Hi Maybee. I have. I released ALL of the emails to someone already with an extensive explanation of my communications with “Nikki”.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  148. Somebody needs to pay attention to my #138.

    The Reid family is not even in the Pacific time zone. Must be a bitch to get that kid to school every day.

    Is there anyone who thinks the Reid family exists as was presented?

    MayBee (081489)

  149. The Reid family is not even in the Pacific time zone. Must be a bitch to get that kid to school every day.

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 1:04 am

    if they’ve already copped to fake ids and pics why would you think the location is correct?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  150. Hey Gennette- I have an idea. Why don’t you just explain, in full, what happened?

    Comment by MayBee — 6/23/2011 @ 1:03 am

    No kidding. Sheesh. It would save her a lot of time and effort. Instead, we have this “Peekaboo!!! you’re way off Rocksem, tee hee!” stuff.

    He’s leaving out emails? Show us the emails then.

    I’m trying hard to give Gennette the benefit of the doubt, but the June 6 DMs look like coordination. The ‘supposed to’ indicates someone she is subordinate to (suggesting Weiner and his staff, of course). If Nikki’s persona didn’t think Gennette had someone to tell her what she’s ‘supposed to’ be doing, that comment would seem really out of left field, wouldn’t it?

    Or perhaps I’m overthinking. Anyone have a guess as to what Patterico’s observation was?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  151. All of the emails, Gennette? You said there were only 5.

    And your communications with Nikki isn’t your whole story, is it?
    What about your communications with the man about whom the two of you were conversing?
    How about your communications with Wiener? What the #545 tweet meant, what you were talking about when he sent the pic, what you thought about when you realized it was him, when you exchanged phone numbers.

    All of it.

    MayBee (081489)

  152. @Maybee

    Hi Maybee. I have. I released ALL of the emails to someone already with an extensive explanation of my communications with “Nikki”.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/23/2011 @ 1:06 am

    To someone, helpful. What did someone do with them?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  153. Is there anyone who thinks the Reid family exists as was presented?

    Comment by MayBee —

    Exactly. There are, no doubt, further flaws in their story too, but I’m not sure any of them will mean much. I wouldn’t even guess the time zone shows they aren’t on the coast.

    Hi Maybee. I have. I released ALL of the emails to someone already with an extensive explanation of my communications with “Nikki”.

    Comment by Gennettec

    To be filtered, or posted online for the world to analyze without ‘assistance’, NYT style? Maybee’s right.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  154. 1. GennetteC in this thread is using the Bellingham, WA IP address as mentioned in the post. If it’s not her I’ll eat my hat.

    Hi Maybee. I have. I released ALL of the emails to someone already with an extensive explanation of my communications with “Nikki”.

    2. If “someone” is not Jen Preston, I’ll eat my hat.

    PS whoever JohnReid is, he’s left out emails.

    3. No he hasn’t. Those were redacted for publication. I was able to see them.

    Did you read the post? I addressed that there. I didn’t just know your e-mail address from your comments here, Gennette.

    4. Are these your e-mails and DMs, Gennette? Please deny or confirm.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  155. Genntte,
    Here’s a question I’ve had for awhile. If you and Weiner were close enough for you to suggest he drop a fake Nikki, as described by you in NYT, and you text each other why is there be no communication between you concerning the press?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  156. 1. I think this is the most fun I have ever had blogging.

    2. Homer sleep now.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  157. Oh — one last point:

    Anyone who wants me to express an opinion about any of this any time soon?

    Not going to happen.

    This is truly an “I report, you decide” situation.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  158. It’s relevant because it puts the hoaxster in the Mountain time zone.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  159. The only reason “Papa Reid” has surfaced now is to put an “identity” to the JohnReid9 handle which showed up in, shall we say, inopportune twitter followings and was starting to raise questions as to just who the heck that player was.

    elissa (bde640)

  160. Molon- how can you tell which time stamp belongs to the receiver?

    MayBee (081489)

  161. MayBee only the receiver of a DM gets an email notification from twitter.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  162. FWIW, I’m not active on Twitter anymore, but the notifications I’m looking at in my old inbox look a little different. Recent messages about a new follower have a line at the bottom saying if I believe this person to misuse Twitter, I can report him to xyz.
    And there is no time stamp at all, though those messages are old.

    Is the time stamp a function of something one sets on Twitter? What if I say I’m in Tehran? What is my sending time stamp?

    MayBee (081489)

  163. @Maybee
    Like I said. The whole story has been told all of the proof has been shown. Will it ever all be public? I’m not sure.

    And I did only send five emails. But “Nikki” sent more that werent released here.
    For instance, the DM where she confronted me about telling Tommy that they were fake. Which was what my “I’m not supposed to DM” DM was in response to. I never sent her my number. I said I would because I knew she couldn’t/wouldn’t call. And no one told me not to DM.
    Then there’s an omitted email where she again asks me if I said she was fake… that’s what my “email me so we can figure out a time to talk” email was responding to.
    She never followed up to get my number… and she never contacted me after that. They knew I knew.

    Alright. Really going to bed now. Bye.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  164. Molon- there are two different time stamps in one notification. I’m asking you how you can tell what’s who’s?

    MayBee (081489)

  165. Gennette- tell the whole story. You, not someone else. And not just the story of Nikki.
    You want to. It’s your story. Do it.

    MayBee (081489)

  166. It’s relevant because it puts the hoaxster in the Mountain time zone.

    Comment by Molon Labe —

    I don’t think it does.

    Why would they provide an accurate time zone? I wouldn’t build too much on this piece of info. If you were a hoaxer, and you were entering your location, would you tell the truth?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  167. If the reporter hasn’t written your story, she probably isn’t taking your word for it.

    MayBee (081489)

  168. ==she probably isn’t taking your word for it==

    or it mucks up the narrative

    elissa (bde640)

  169. Like I said. The whole story has been told all of the proof has been shown. Will it ever all be public? I’m not sure.

    It can be, Gennette. It is within your power.

    Send it to me and I will make it ALL public.

    I am dead serious.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  170. She never followed up to get my number… and she never contacted me after that. They knew I knew.

    This really is a fascinating story.

    How unfortunate for Cordova it will be if she is being 100% honest here. It’s hard to buy that with the way she conducts herself, but I keep reminding myself that she’s one of those people who actually liked Weiner’s worst behavior. Those people think the readers and bloggers here are evil rethuglikkkans. So maybe that explains her evasion, much as many have tried to understand PatriotUSA’s. Just extremely counterproductive paranoia.

    Maybee, those time stamps come from the email account that received the twitter notifications, rather than twitter.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  171. Which was what my “I’m not supposed to DM” DM was in response to. I never sent her my number. I said I would because I knew she couldn’t/wouldn’t call. And no one told me not to DM.

    I’m not supposed to DM doesn’t sound like a response to “Did you say I was fake?”

    Why were you concerned (even in a fake way) about Nikki here? Where was the “OMG. I just got sent a Weinertweet!” reaction?

    MayBee (081489)

  172. Like I said. The whole story has been told all of the proof has been shown. Will it ever all be public? I’m not sure.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/23/2011 @ 1:23 am

    So this is like the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders now? Did you sign some sort of exclusive deal with Jen Preston or something? Nothing is shown if you give it to one person and they stick it in a shoebox somewhere.

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  173. MayBee: The timestamp in the email header is the local time of the computer that received the notification.

    If that computer was in the same time zone as GC, it should have the same time as the timestamp on the DM itself.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  174. And I did only send five emails. But “Nikki” sent more that werent released here.
    For instance, the DM where she confronted me about telling Tommy that they were fake. Which was what my “I’m not supposed to DM” DM was in response to. I never sent her my number. I said I would because I knew she couldn’t/wouldn’t call. And no one told me not to DM.
    Then there’s an omitted email where she again asks me if I said she was fake… that’s what my “email me so we can figure out a time to talk” email was responding to.
    She never followed up to get my number… and she never contacted me after that. They knew I knew.

    The bolded part, I take as an admission that the DM from Gennette is real.

    But she says there is missing context.

    OK.

    Give it all to me. I will publish it all.

    All of it.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  175. Maybee, those time stamps come from the email account that received the twitter notifications, rather than twitter.

    Ok. The email account is an hour later than the twitter stamp. So I’m not certain that shows the receiver is in mountain time (an hour earlier than PDT).
    Unless I’m reading that wrong, Molon?

    MayBee (081489)

  176. Oh, no non no. You’re right. But where does Twitter get the timestamp? From a user setting, right?

    MayBee (081489)

  177. Mountain time is an hour later than Pacific.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  178. So this is like the Ark of the Covenant in Raiders now? Did you sign some sort of exclusive deal with Jen Preston or something?

    She wants to go into journalism, and she is being treated like a big deal by somebody from the New York Times.

    THE NEW YORK TIMES!

    I can’t give her a journalism job at patterico.com.

    Look. I can ask for the complete record until I am blue in the face. But that doesn’t mean I’ll get it.

    But let’s take the “oh I wish I could make it all public” attitude seriously. Just for grins.

    You want to make it all public?

    I’m right here. patterico AT gmail DOT com

    Just respond to the e-mail I sent you.

    And if you don’t, then don’t complain that it’s not being made public.

    Patterico (135ea8)

  179. I dunno. We need to test it. I helpfully just cleaned out my inbox and deleted all my twitter dm notifications.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  180. And I did only send five emails.

    And see, this is like the problem people had when you wouldn’t say if you’d DMd with Weiner before. And then you wouldn’t say how often, or about what.
    You tried to diminish your communications with Nikki by saying you’d only sent five emails. But nobody had asked how many emails you’d sent. It was about communication between the two of you. You sent, apparently, more than 5 DMs. You’d even talked about the dog’s name at some point.

    MayBee (081489)

  181. If that computer was in the same time zone as GC, it should have the same time as the timestamp on the DM itself.

    Comment by Molon Labe —

    I’m not sure this is right. I think that header is produced by the email server. I assume this person isn’t running their own, but rather interfacing with it via a web browser.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  182. Rocksem follows me…maybe he can send me a dm if still awake. Check your dms rocks.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  183. Gennette,
    If you were sure enough Nikki was a fake to tell Weiner to drop her why are you following her on twitter, emailing and attempting to get her to call you?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  184. Don’t think so Dustin. Email is sent with a universal timestamp, but the local email client formats the time to your local time zone.

    I just tested it by changing my computer time zone from Mountain to Pacific. An email which I received at 2:22 PM now shows 1:22 PM.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  185. Which was what my “I’m not supposed to DM” DM was in response to

    How is that a response to “do you think I’m fake?”?

    When did you give Weiner your phone number? Did he tell you not to DM him?

    MayBee (081489)

  186. Gennette–why do you really come here and comment? Personally, I think you come here mostly to find out what people already know, who their contacts are, and therefore where the weaknesses are in your story that will need to be shored up and with whom. It doesn’t at all appear that you come to explain, or shed light, or bring truth. Quite the opposite of that.

    elissa (bde640)

  187. @Patterico
    I thought you said you already had them? Any emails/DMs released (by anyone) will be exactly what I’ve said, I knew she was fake, I pretended like I thought she was real. I did this all the way up until Tommy blew the whistle on me to her “mother” which subsequently led to Nikki confronting me.
    I knew the jig was up (for lack of a better phrase). So I said she could call me if she wanted to talk… which I knew she wouldn’t.

    When you guys start talking about who is behind this, let me know. That’s what I’ve been interested in since the beginning.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  188. OK. Got a dm from Rocksem. My email header says “Sent: 2:43 AM”, but the DM is timestamped “1:43 AM”.

    So the DM timestamp is Pacific time. But, based on the time zone Rocksem told me he was in, that means the the DM timestamps are regularized to Pacific time regardless of the time zone of origin.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  189. I rest my case.

    elissa (bde640)

  190. thought you said you already had them? Any emails/DMs released (by anyone) will be exactly what I’ve said

    Just want to correct you on one point. You don’t get your own DMs in your email inbox, so Patterico doesn’t have Nikki’s side of those conversations unless they were sent some other way.

    Anyway, I would feel better if you sent your side of this to him too. Unless you’re telling us to trust this hoaxer you’re saying (believably) is fake.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  191. I just tested it by changing my computer time zone from Mountain to Pacific. An email which I received at 2:22 PM now shows 1:22 PM.

    Comment by Molon Labe — 6/23/2011 @ 1:44 am

    Cool.

    Still plausible they used a different clock time in their computer, of course. A little less likely than lying about their location on their email account, though.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  192. When you guys start talking about who is behind this, let me know. That’s what I’ve been interested in since the beginning.

    Aren’t you interested in why Representative Anthony Weiner sent you a picture of his erection in his underwear?
    Aren’t you interested in knowing how these people seemed to know he was prone to doing things like this?
    Aren’t you interested in knowing if he has sent such pictures to other young girls?

    MayBee (081489)

  193. Oh wait. Crap. I had my twitter settings set to Pacific time zone. Forget my 187, the dm timestamp may have been customized to what twitter thinks my local time zone was.

    Pointless anyway as ppl said we know they’re fake.

    Molon Labe (dc676c)

  194. Was the erection in his underwear photo his version of a “thank you card” for something you did for him, or something you told him, Gennette?

    elissa (bde640)

  195. Gennette,
    In your exchange with Aaron you said you became fascinated with the bornfreecrew harassing the girls and you followed it closely. Then you suddenly doubt the girls and suggest to Weiner they are fake according to Jen’s story. But right up until Tommy is talking to them you are trying to communicate with this fake? Why?

    RocksEm (5241c6)

  196. Q: Did you say I’m fake?
    A: I’m not supposed to DM anymore.

    Kids and their crazy catch phrases these days.

    MayBee (081489)

  197. Aren’t you interested in why Representative Anthony Weiner sent you a picture of his erection in his underwear?
    Aren’t you interested in knowing how these people seemed to know he was prone to doing things like this?
    Aren’t you interested in knowing if he has sent such pictures to other young girls?

    Comment by MayBee — 6/23/2011 @ 1:53 am

    It’s interesting that she hasn’t talked about this. Even these behind the curtain messages don’t mention it directly.

    But it’s so hard to come up with a theory for what’s behind Nikki/JohnReid9 that makes sense.

    We know this is where that powerful professionally written ‘how dare you defame Rep Weiner’ letter came from. That was too well done to be a right wing dirty trick. It was an effective and major aid to Weiner, in fact. Ginger Lee’s later comments help shed light on the possibility this was written on Weiner’s behalf, even.

    So why would Weiner’s fans be part of a hoax to lie to Gennette Cordova prior to the photo Weiner set arriving in her inbox?

    I’m sincerely confused about that.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  198. I feel like this is much more involved, complex, and interesting than a guy sending me a picture of himself in his underwear that he’s already apologized for.
    I could try to figure out why he sent it but I’m not sure it matters. I’m sort of used to unwanted male attention unfortunately.
    I’ve said a million times we weren’t having an inappropriate relationship. I’ve already that story and I’m not here to convince you.
    I’m way more interested in why someone contacted me and put so much time and effort into building a rapport with me while pretending to be a high school girl. Try to understand, I hardly ever communicated with AW. Nikki, I talked to extensively for a month, so I’m admittedly pretty invested in finding out who was behind it.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  199. Do you have your own theory about this Gennette? You must have given it a lot of thought what with being so invested. Feel free to share.

    elissa (bde640)

  200. I’ve said a million times we weren’t having an inappropriate relationship. I’ve already that story and I’m not here to convince you.

    Just to make this crystal clear: you’re saying you did not send any sexual message to Weiner, and other than this picture, he didn’t send any sexual message to you? I’m not trying to call you a liar… I’m just trying to make sure no one mistakes your ‘inappropriate relationship’ comment as vague enough to leave wiggle room.

    Nikki, I talked to extensively for a month, so I’m admittedly pretty invested in finding out who was behind it.

    I believe you. No, really. At least to that extent. It’s just too hard for me to wrap my mind around a possibility you and they were setting all this up for some lame gotcha months later. So you think they were affiliated with the bornfreecrew, right? That’s your speculation? You were acting when you responded to this curious attempt to build a friendship with you.

    Do you have any suggestions as to how we can better ascertain who was behind Nikki?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  201. Patterico,
    That was a lot of “I’ll eat my hat” talk from you back at comment #153 (i think). But how do we know you even have a hat? Perhaps it’s just a sockhat.

    We need proof before we can take such assurances at face value. Please post a picture of said tasty hat…in front of newspaper or TV screen with today’s headlines on it (just so we know you didn’t get it off of any old Flickr or yfrog account).

    Prudence (652501)

  202. @Elissa
    I figured from the beginning that it was someone in the bornfreecrew. They had harassed me because Weiner was following me and then some random HS girl who follows and attempts to talk to girls he follows (but isn’t following him herself) tries to engage me?
    I didn’t think it could be a coincidence.
    But truthfully I don’t know. The more that comes out the more confusing it gets.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  203. Cause let me combine those two factors. If you had been having an inappropriate relationship of the cyber-only variety, and Nikki was some kind of ‘get Weiner!’ operation, that would explain everything pretty well.

    Why they have an axe to grind against you today, why you weren’t that upset about the penis photo, why you’re coming across as evasive sometimes, why you’re so interested in someone bringing up this topic weeks ago, etc.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  204. They had harassed me because Weiner was following me and then some random HS girl who follows and attempts to talk to girls he follows (but isn’t following him herself) tries to engage me?

    That’s a good point. And no, I’m not just saying that to grease you into lowering your guard. I don’t know of a better explanation.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  205. Of course why he sent it matters. The Nikki stuff was all about Wiener. He did to you what that group thought he would do. How did they know? What did you not see? Who did he do this to in the past that made him so predictable? You are just one of many.

    MayBee (081489)

  206. Who did he do this to in the past that made him so predictable? You are just one of many.

    Yeah, that’s true. And it’s always been suspicious how Gennette reacted by deleting all her accounts, dropping her journo class and paper gig, etc. That’s not making much sense to me if she thinks it was this Nikki/Bornfreecrew theory that was responsible.

    But if she didn’t think they were responsible, and did think Nikki was a hostile hoax trying to get info harmful to Weiner, and she was worried people would learn about some sexting, it all fits pretty well.

    But I don’t feel comfortable making that kind of assumption.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  207. @Maybee

    Actually from what I recall that group was not so much concerned about AW having inappropriate relationships online so much as they were concerned about him doing it with underaged girls, which I think there still is no evidence of.
    They were really into this young girl, school girl, etc angle.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  208. @Dustin
    Ive explained deleting my accounts so if you still don’t get it, you just won’t.
    And to avoid reporters I stayed away from class but I completed everything via email.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  209. Genette, he sent you a picture of his erection out of the blue with apparently no encouragement from you. You have no idea what he did or didn’t do with others. These guys were apparently much more informed about his ways than you were, or claim to be.

    MayBee (081489)

  210. ==They had harassed me== (Gennette)

    Please share more details about what this “harassment” of you entailed. Harassment carries some pretty strong connotations. In what forms was it? How often? What were the triggers if you noticed? What specific words were used to “harass” you?

    Are you sure harassment is the best, most concise phrase to accurately describe what was going on? Would “they were annoying me” or “they were bugging the sh@t out of me”, or “they were getting on my last nerve” work as well if not better, to describe how you felt about their contacts with you? Did you ever, even for one second stop to give any possible credence to what they were telling/warning you about Anthony Weiner’s on line activities?

    elissa (bde640)

  211. @Maybee
    You’re right I have no idea what he did or didn’t do with others… And I never claimed to.
    You’re very interested in why he sent it.
    Can you accept that I’m more interested in a different part of the story? I’ve been knee deep in this for a month and half now.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  212. @Elissa a group of adults mostly male were retweeting a screenshot of my picture over and over again. Saying “repweiner follows this schoolgirl”, “he’s trolling the yard for schoolgirls”. They did it all the time. I didn’t know them, it was weird.
    So, maybe harassment isn’t the best word. But I dont think that really matters for the point I was making.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  213. Ive explained deleting my accounts so if you still don’t get it, you just won’t.

    No need to be defensive. I know you said you were trying to avoid being followed by many people you don’t want to be followed by.

    And to avoid reporters I stayed away from class but I completed everything via email.

    Good. You seem like a person I’d be friends with in school. No matter what your behavior with Weiner was, it wasn’t hurting anyone. You shouldn’t have your entire life ruined over it or anything.

    Actually from what I recall that group was not so much concerned about AW having inappropriate relationships online so much as they were concerned about him doing it with underaged girls, which I think there still is no evidence of.

    I dunno. I think it just depends on your perspective. To me, it’s seriously playing with fire to have all these exchanges of the nature Weiner did with complete strangers who look very young. Even Weiner can’t really deny that they were all of age, if I recall. Something is really messed up there, since he’s was older than you are today when most of these women were born.

    But that’s just my perspective. I think there’s enough to be worried about how young they got.

    Honestly, I don’t know what to think of your behavior in deleting the accounts or evading these questions.

    You do get what I’m saying, right? It’s possible you were onto a hoax trying to trick Weiner into sexting fake underage girls, AND you and Weiner were involved in that kind of behavior too.

    You seem very secure about Weiner not being worse than having consensual adult sexual conversations. One thing that would help is if you knew the guy a lot better than you seem to be saying you do.

    I realize this is all speculation on my part, and I really am trying to understand this in good faith.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  214. Anyway, Elissa raises a good concern about Gennette’s term ‘harassment’. That term helped shape this entire ordeal onto a feeding frenzy against Mike and Dan, who were falsely accused of being hackers.

    If Gennette were to share this harassment with Patterico via email, I bet he would publish it. We might get a better impression of whether JohnReid9 and the bornfreecrew were similar.

    Or if by harassment she just means the kinds of comments in this thread, such as my comments, I think at least she should let us know.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  215. @Dustin
    There is a lot of speculation on your part. And I’m not saying that I know all of his relationships were with consenting adults, I don’t. I’m just saying that’s what the evidence appears to be.
    And honestly I do get a little defensive when people accuse me of being involved inappropriately with a married politician. He sent me a picture for whatever reason that I never even saw and all of a sudden I’m Monica Lewinsky. Even though he admitted to cyber relationships with 6 women and said that I was not one of them, I still have to deal with the accusations.
    So forgive me for being defensive.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  216. Gennette , you’re interested in covering this up, that’s why you keep avoiding topics.

    How did they “harass” you? Sending dick pics?

    Did you see the wiener picture or not , there’s conflicting reports in MSM.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  217. ==You’re very interested in why he sent it. Can you accept that I’m more interested in a different part of the story?==

    With all due respect, Gennette, that’s called compartmentalization. As an aspiring journalist surely you must know that a good writer has to first learn about all the players and possible motivations in order to fully understand the story. This is what informs and captures the reader’s interest. To engage the audience a writer has to dig deep into the weeds and tell the whole interconnecting story, warts and all, not just write to satisfy the author’s own personal needs to vent or to expound an agenda.

    elissa (bde640)

  218. @TempurTantrum
    Covering what up? What am I covering up?

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  219. @Elissa
    I respectfully disagree. I’m more interested in this part of the story because I’ve put a lot of time into it. It’s more interesting to me. I dont think there’s anything weird about that at all. And I’m not a journalist yet and I’m not writing a story about it.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  220. Gennette ,

    Did you see the picture or not when weiner sent it to you?

    What were you tweeting when that happened?

    What’s your thoughts about him sending it to you, now that it is official that he did it on purpose.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  221. == I’m not writing a story about it==

    Well girl, why the heck aren’t you? Most people really want you to. Is there a reason you won’t (or can’t) write a story about it?

    elissa (bde640)

  222. Gennette , with all due respect , your selective storytelling makes you a grade A MSM journolist.

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  223. And honestly I do get a little defensive when people accuse me of being involved inappropriately with a married politician.

    Even though he admitted to cyber relationships with 6 women and said that I was not one of them, I still have to deal with the accusations.
    So forgive me for being defensive.

    Yes, of course. It’s understandable. And as I said quite a while ago, what a bastard Weiner is for putting you in this position. Any honest person would suspect you of this stuff, and it obviously bothers you a lot, as it would me.

    I don’t know why so many young ladies would cover for this creepy pervy man anyway. I mean, even if you weren’t, some were.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  224. And just to be clear, I’m not trying to call you a liar. It’s just that I’m trying to understand this and that’s one of the theories that makes sense to me.

    I can imagine if you were blameless, you’d be very critical of Weiner for putting you in the position of appearing to be his confidant at all during the time he’s doing this skeevy stuff and clumsy enough to publicly link your name, forever, to that picture.

    And while it’s hard to understand your reaction, I can’t say I’ve ever been in your shoes. I am actually waffling between ‘Cordova is just full of it’ and ‘Cordova didn’t do anything but suffer some paranoia and react accordingly.’ And that’s why I keep winding up with this theory where you had reason to suspect Nikki or the Bornfreecrew (even though their general claim Weiner was sexting his young female supporters was accurate), but also had something to hide.

    I won’t ask you to forgive me for these assumptions, but I do admit that’s all this is.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  225. Oh, Good God. Happy Birthday to me.

    Look, it is ABSOLUTELY fair to start with the presumption that the Reid personas are contructs and liars with agenda unknown, and I most certainly do. A catalogue of reasons seems shockingly unecessary.

    The only value in dealing with them is to shake out their origin (less important) and to find out what efforts Weiner took upon himself to stamp out his fire and what assistance she might have given hime or others gave her in putting forward his interests.

    Genette is operating under a lot of denial about what just happened and about how much control she has over the situation. I won’t write a treatise on it unless I am required to submit a proof to draw an obvious conclusion.

    Ok, I’ll write a treatise:

    HELL YES she is evasive.

    1. young and green and full of herself, she thinks she can control the message.

    2. She Is actually in what psychologists term denial about the skeeviness of Weiner’s interest in her

    She’s bright and interested and an up and coping journalist with progressive ideals. Why wouldn’t he be interested in his young follower. He was interested in her for the same reasons she gets other unwanted male attention that is such a mystery to her, and men often find a girl’s friendliness or simply being attractive is encouragement enough.

    3. She is also in denial about how unbelievably rotten he is, and to the core of his soul and not because of any speciic political position he espoused, but because he is actually a vicious character.

    (Read her minimizing of his conduct, especially with regard to herself, the display of his erection on a public social network. She tries to limit the effect of his conduct to herself. As if her mild reaction and her acceptance of apology makes any other objection ridiculous. No one should care, she announces.)

    4. She tried to manage something and it got out of her control. She is still hanging on to whatever control she has.

    I’m not going to say, If she had any sense, she’d just let it all hang out. Whatever you may believe is *right*, and would clear the story up, it’s perfectly true that people are often never forgiven for telling the truth, and I think you are all perfectly aware of who would never forgive her.

    She probably thinks it was right to guard Weiner to some extent, but knows it looks AWFUL.

    ********

    SarahW (af7312)

  226. @GennetteC – what were you and Weinertweeter DMimg about when he Weinertweeter you? What was the 5:45 tweet referencing? Thank you, in advance, for you your continuing evasiveness and mendoucheity.

    JD (4ce9c5)

  227. @gennetteC – specifically, who from Rep weinertweeter’s office/staff/investigator have you been in contact with?

    JD (4ce9c5)

  228. What a tangled web. I don’t trust anyone except for the three women I’ve seen on TV.

    Has anyone spoken to the lady from Catfish to see if she’s been online recently? The Reid Catfish family? http://www.iamrogue.com/catfish

    My gut feeling says everyone in this story is lying but for entirely different reasons. I think the email conversations come across as guarded (Gennette) and prying (Nikki). The structure of the email sent by Nikki screams adult for some reason. I could be wrong but each line being spaced just seems out of place.

    What I find the most odd about Gennette is that she’s passing up on possibly the biggest story of her lifetime. Opportunity knocked and she didn’t answer the door. What did Weiner offer? Weiner’s PR firm never spoke to her? Is that the official story we’re getting? Does anyone work at a PR firm to find out if that’s normal operating procedure?

    I still want to know what the “joke” was that brought about the now infamous tweet.

    Johnny 5 is alive (5ccc5e)

  229. i’ve never been able to figure out why weiner claims he sent the dicktweet as a joke DM to GC. My only thought is it was in connection with GC and AW joking about #bornfreecrew or others trying to nail him for doing sexy talk with minor which he knew he wasn’t doing. The dicktweet picture as sent to GC was upside down and AW referenced “manipulation” of the picture oddly in the certitude interview (or other interviews around that time). What if AW rotated the picture 180 and sent it as a “joke” to GC never intending her to know it really WAS of AW (though he would have revealed that later if she was receptive as she is over 18).

    IF AW was in some non-sexual irregular contact with GC, it would also explain 545 hashtag shoutout.

    milowent (0f8248)

  230. Could it be that someone got pictures of Gennette, to blackmail her?

    Temper Tantrum (02fe1b)

  231. GC could easily inform the context of the erectiontweet, by showing what they were talking about that evening.

    Given that one thing that can be stated with full confidence is that Weiner is forward in his conversations with young buxoms, more so than THEY believe they have solicited.

    Whatever the spoke of that evening, fakey hoaxters she was ostensibly saving him from were a part of the context of their dealings with each other. He might have taken advantage of the context of their discussions to fulfill his impulses. – for example, he might send and if GC is more befuddled than pleased, say “lets give them something to talk about, hahahahah”. or something along those lines.

    Or, he might have meant to entrap his trappers somehow, an associate that previously distributed photo, to a hoax. I don’t really think he was thinking that far ahead, though.

    I tend to think he called it a joke because he was trying to walk back or deflate his use of the word “hack” and imply is was one of those jokey FB-sabotage jobs.

    SarahW (af7312)

  232. Please excuse dropped letters, not sure if it is me or my keyboard.

    SarahW (af7312)

  233. Weiner would have offered some explanation, true or false.

    She wonders why people don’t acknowledge her openness, despite her concealing what he told her.

    SarahW (af7312)

  234. Let’s assume the whole story eventually comes out, what’s in the offing? Is the potential pay-off adequate compensation for spending so much time and attention trying to pin down double talking frauds?

    I’m not looking to dampen inquiry, I’d just like to know if revealing the full extent of the conspiracy will expose big name bad guys or pipsqueaks and pretenders.

    ropelight (f4b1d2)

  235. Wow. Can’t begin to digest all the comments, so I assume this has already been heavily noted: If that Tweet from Weiner re: the “HS girl with a crush” is real, he’s actually a worse human being than I thought. Didn’t think that was possible.

    Lincolntf (85daa5)

  236. My only comment on this is simple – Gennette was, apparently, in some way used by AW,which has to hurt in some way. A congressman for whom she had respect for was not interested in her for anything other than a cheap thrill – that has to suck for her. Personally I think she’s still dealing with that emotionally. Add on top of that the Nikki/John Reid/NYT/etc crap.

    Frankly, I don’t hold it against her to be trusting of no one.

    Maybe when she reaches the ‘anger’ stage, she’ll tell her full story.

    RB (af34db)

  237. Nikki Reed – as soon as I said the name to one of my teenagers she said, “oh that is a girl from Twilight”. So a teenager picks a fake name from Twilight. Makes teenager sense.

    susan (c2ed87)

  238. I haven’t read through everything, but I wanted to paste this NYT’s snippet and then a comment GoatsRed (?) left at Verum Serum about it to see if there is anything to be gleaned based on this new info

    NYT’s snippet

    In an interview, Ms. Cordova said she was contacted on Twitter by “Nikki Reid,” who said she admired one of her posts and then began exchanging private messages with her almost every day for three or four weeks starting May 5. “There was something weird about it,” Ms. Cordova said. At the beginning of their exchanges, Ms. Cordova said, there was no mention of Mr. Weiner. Then the user began to ask her for advice saying, “I’m a fan girl too,” and “How did you get him to follow you?”

    When Ms. Cordova saw that Mr. Weiner was following “Nikki Reid,” she said, she expressed her suspicions about the girl’s identity to him in a private message and he stopped following the account.

    Goats comment at Verum Serum

    goatsred says:
    June 20, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    “then began exchanging private messages with her almost every day for three or four weeks starting May 5.”
    May 5th is the day that the “rumor” was floated about @RepWeiner from Twitter.
    If they talked every day for three to four weeks, that would have taken them through the scandal until about the time he admitted that he lied.
    And her suspicions that she relayed to Weiner that caused him to drop her are off base too ( the story anyhow)It has changed so many times.

    Topsecretk9 (3ef846)

  239. Even though he admitted to cyber relationships with 6 women and said that I was not one of them, I still have to deal with the accusations.

    You understand his word is not golden, right?
    He also said he was hacked.
    And that he couldn’t tell with certitude if that photo was him.

    That is the problem with leaving a trail of lies, half truths, or evasions. People stop taking one at one’s word.

    MayBee (081489)

  240. Nikki Reed – as soon as I said the name to one of my teenagers she said, “oh that is a girl from Twilight”. So a teenager picks a fake name from Twilight. Makes teenager sense.

    I know and it’s even stupider that GC lives in WA state home of Twilight Forks, WA.

    —-

    I have to say, Gennette Cordova’s behavior really from the beginning has been suspicious and strange – all the Twitter account take downs, resurrected and then private blocking.

    She just recently blocked a twitter account, doesn’t answer any Patterico emails saying they were junked but is HERE commenting just a mere 20 mins after the post went up? She sees his tweets, she knows whats up. Pretty sure Pat said he emailed her in a tweet.

    Leave to some snotty dumb ass reporter at the NYT to swallow suspect Cordova’s story in entirety.

    My spidey senses tell me something is a foot and maybe it’s to rope a dope the media to step on the own dick in order to protect the liberal side of the sotry.

    At least I hope someone just punked the crap out of “Tell the Jury Mr. Prosecutor!” Jen Preston.

    Topsecretk9 (3ef846)

  241. i’ve never been able to figure out why weiner claims he sent the dicktweet as a joke DM to GC.

    One scenario I contemplated if those DM’s between GCordova and Weiner revealing Cordova is behind the sock accounts was real…

    AW and GC are spending a lot of time on the internet back and forth on this little sock ruse. AW is really just interested in flirting, sexting etc online with her and so is humoring her – liking her loyalty and developing a relationship with her to be able to make the leap to sexual and is willing to engage in this reckless sock gambit for it.

    GC sends info on a sock interaction victory and he sends a boner picture suggesting her good work just gave him a boner! HA HA get it? It’s his jokey little way of engaging her sexually now, making the leap and theoretically initially sent as a joke since they weren’t sexing back and forth, Yet! At least in his spin cycle mind.And if he could have tamped down all the other sexter ladies and girls I bet a million he not have resigned.

    Anyhow, it’s a theory. It somewhat fits b/c his original tweet to her was just a link with no comment.

    Topsecretk9 (3ef846)

  242. Gennette:
    I’m sort of used to unwanted male attention unfortunately.

    Perhaps if you did something other than provide cover for the men who give you unwanted attention, that would change.
    The first step to eliminating unwanted male attention is being very clear that it is unwanted.

    MayBee (081489)

  243. Is unwanted male attention a euphemism for weinertweets?

    JD (d48c3b)

  244. I can’t remember who Tweeted what, so I’ll ask. Was it GNC who posted a bunch of those “stupid teabaggers!!!!” Tweets?

    Lincolntf (85daa5)

  245. You have to stop talking to journalists!

    Covering what up? What am I covering up?

    You have to stop talking to journalists!

    Covering what up? What am I covering up?

    these people are wackadoodles

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  246. @Maybee I feel like your comments, more than others, are generally off the mark… Just an observation.
    And to everyone else, I don’t feel bad or evasive or suspicious at all for being selective about who I give my information to.
    So we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that point.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  247. Gennette:

    I feel like this is much more involved, complex, and interesting than a guy sending me a picture of himself in his underwear that he’s already apologized for.
    I could try to figure out why he sent it but I’m not sure it matters. I’m sort of used to unwanted male attention unfortunately

    When you say Weiner has apologized for it, do you mean personally to you via phone? Directly to you through another way? Did he apologize for “accidentally” sending it? For deliberately sending it? For sending it as a piece of the puzzle to try to bait/catch Nikki? For involving you in an effort to bait/catch Nikki? Can you relay any more specifics of the “apology?”

    scoovy (c1f735)

  248. @Maybee I feel like your comments, more than others, are generally off the mark… Just an observation.

    Deep, Gennette. At least you aren’t trying to wiggle out of answering by calling me old!

    MayBee (081489)

  249. @Maybee I feel like your comments, more than others, are generally off the mark… Just an observation.

    Oops. Didn’t mean to strike that. Meant to highlight it.

    Tell me how getting a picture of an erection from a married man and then exchanging phone numbers, not being publicly forthcoming with your online relationship with him, and texting him back and forth as he lies to the entire US doesn’t cover for him.
    I want to hear it.

    MayBee (081489)

  250. @Maybee
    I wasn’t trying to be deep and I wasn’t trying to be rude.
    That was an honest observation.

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  251. the importantest thing is that one Anthony Weiner, who was always three parts America-raping dirty socialist to one part dirty pervert, can no longer molest our poor beat-down little country from his position in the congress

    also happy birfday sarah!

    also for stick figures huma and her beloved husband seem to spend a crapload of time in grocery stores together

    I guess it’s the pregnancy thing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  252. That was an honest observation.

    You have the power to set me straight. I urge you to do it.

    MayBee (081489)

  253. You remember the other day when you told Patterico he didn’t have any more on the story because he’s old?? Or something.

    Isn’t it interesting that it turns out there was much more to the story.

    You can get all the information out. Better than drip drip drip, no?

    MayBee (081489)

  254. Seriously?

    MORE of last week’s story that nobody cares about?

    More on Weiner’s weiner? Dude. Everybody now gets it and assumes he showed his weiner to half the underage high school girls in America.

    WTF? This blog used to be interesting.

    What a strange, odd obsession you’ve got going.

    Dude (38361f)

  255. @Maybee
    Actually at that time he didn’t. And anything he gets from this person won’t hurt me at all. I never did anything wrong.
    And saying he didn’t have anything (which he didn’t) had nothing to do with him being old. Age became a part of the conversation when he took Ethels tweet out of context. I offered insight about her language as someone who is a part of her generation. Turns out I was right:)

    Gennettec (28d98c)

  256. Speaking of which- do you have more info on the OC tweets?

    MayBee (081489)

  257. it’s not an obsession it’s a very interesting study of how social media is amazingly capable of stealing away the prerogatives of the corrupt lying Jen Preston media

    it’s an a lot more intricate process than simply bypassing the gate-keepers idn’t it

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  258. Turns out I was right:)

    Have you spoken with Ethel?

    MayBee (081489)

  259. MAyBee – notice how she refuses to address the very specific questions posed to her? I still don’t get why she is providing cover for the weinertweeter. As I predicted, evasive and mendoucheous.

    JD (306f5d)

  260. Gennette,

    Can you comment on the Pigford settlement? That’d really bring things full circle for me.

    Lee Stranahan (708cc3)

  261. This thread summarized:

    GC: You guys have it all wrong
    Commenters: What are we wrong about?
    GC: I told someone everything, but I’m not going to tell you.
    Commenters: Why are you being evasive?
    GC: I’m NOT being evasive.
    Commenters: WTF?

    Oschisms (473d8f)

  262. Lee- snort!

    MayBee (081489)

  263. Age became a part of the conversation when he took Ethels tweet out of context. I offered insight about her language as someone who is a part of her generation. Turns out I was right:)

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/23/2011 @ 8:08 am

    Really? First why do you maintain this ridiculous idea that there is some unique insight you have based simply on your age? Second has Ethel confirmed any version of the meaning of that tweet? Your conclusions about it are as much conjecture as anyone else.

    RocksEm (e1d29d)

  264. JD- We’ll see if Gennette answers Patterico’s question in his new post.

    I do love it, and I think happs would too, that Jen Preston on Twitter is saying THE question is who is John Reid???

    I agree that is A question. Don’t know why it has to be THE question. But at least Gennette has Jen Preston making the proper, accurate observations.

    MayBee (081489)

  265. I’ve read GC deny an “inappropriate relationship” with AW multiple times. Has she ever denied sexting him? They are not mutually exclusive. One can easily believe that a virtual sexual relationship with a married man is not “inappropriate,” as nothing physical (supposedly) happened. “Inappropriate” is a subjective term, and so far, I’ve not read what GC considers “inappropriate.”

    I wish I didn’t have to parse her words so carefully, but that’s what one must do in dealing with an evasive witness.

    Oschisms (473d8f)

  266. Try to understand, I hardly ever communicated with AW. Nikki, I talked to extensively for a month, so I’m admittedly pretty invested in finding out who was behind it.

    Comment by Gennettec — 6/23/2011 @ 2:11 am
    ————————-

    Yet in Aaron Worthing’s chat with her posted on this blog, GC says when speaking of Weiner, “He wasn’t inappropriate with me, though. Our talks were about people like Wolfe. I was intrigued by them. I still am. I’ve watched closely. I’m considering writing a piece on it.”

    Sounds like more than the “hardly ever communicated with AW” remark now being given.

    Ms. Trish (d3022f)

  267. Maybee, don’t buy into the “old” nonsense. Plenty of hip and edgy twentysomethings have had their relationships implode over the “no big deal for our generation” sexting stuff.

    They just don’t want to own their words. They think it is safe and electronically distant to virtually vamp (so to speak) someone else.

    Not so. And the interesting question is always—if it is no big deal—how they feel when the tables are turned. Oh, sure, the kiddies like to say it doesn’t matter. But go to any college campus, talk to young women there.

    And the “hip and edgy” folk know it.

    Poor GC was just part of a screw up (so to speak, again). And my guess is that there is an awful lot to her communications to the Perv that she would not like her parents to know about, let alone her long term boyfriend.

    Because it’s a generation thing, and no big deal!

    Simon Jester (c43977)

  268. I will give Gennettec some credit. She may be holding back or being vague. But at least we know she’s “real” as a real twitter persona. Pretty certain that’s a real pic of Gennette as well

    I have yet to see Betty, Betty’s mother, Marianela (what ever happened to her, where did she disappear to?, Marianela’s parents on here (anywhere for that matter) answering questions. Let’s get John Reid on here to answer some questions we might have. Clear up some red flags

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  269. Re: #264:

    Finger pointed, the witness says to a live camera: I did not have sexts with that Congressman in his underroos.

    It all depends on the definition of “is.”

    Funny how the “generational thing” keeps cropping up.

    Simon Jester (c43977)

  270. Draft headlines for the uninitiated and MSM:


    “Father” of “teen girl” who Weiner followed & messaged online issues passionate attacks against NY Times reporting.

    » Maintains “family’s” strong admiration for Weiner

    http://badjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/06/johnreid9-tweets.html

    “Teen’s” emails & Twitter direct messages regarding Weiner begin to be released.

    » Had ongoing interactions with woman to whom Weiner admits sending “undies” photo

    » Coaching regarding media attention: “You have to stop talking to journalists!”

    http://patterico.com/2011/06/22/the-owner-of-the-nikki-reid-account-speaks-out/

    koam (7c1f46)

  271. And maybe Patriot. Maybe Patriot can resurface and answer some more questions we might have now that more info has come out. Mike Stack has. Mike has stayed opened and responding to questions.

    I believe Mike Stack still not aware where Patriot went to after Patriot being invested in this story for so long. Sure, He can stay hidden out of the limelight. But we’re not certain Patriot is “real” twitter persona either. We know Gennette is more a real persona at this point.

    And no, I’m not defending Gennette or excusing her behavior. I’m just putting context towards the sockpuppets angwl in this whole story

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  272. I think the sockpuppets were someone from bornfree crew trolling for info, when dicpic was sent they didn’t need anymore so tried to cover their tracks by pretending to be Weiner supporters.

    also, Johnreid, the “father” writes and acts very similar to Patriotusa

    windansea (e22844)

  273. PS

    GennetteC appears to be telling the truth here

    windansea (e22844)

  274. Question to Jen Preston & Gennetec,
    What makes you think everyone is going to ignore GC’s involvement with any sock puppets, or AW, simply because we agree there are sock puppets? GC’s story as relates to details has continued to, to put it nicely, evolve day to day from the start of this. Frankly if those DM caps where GC expresses admiration for AW are real, and she has not disavowed them, then it seems GC involvement with AW is very similar to what Ginger Lee described. The idea that GC is supposed to be accepted simply on her word, and especially when that word conflicts with released information, ended awhile ago.

    The game of ignoring substantive questions, by both GC and Jen, need to end too if you expect us to concentrate on “The Real Question”.

    RocksEm (e1d29d)

  275. #271

    You noticed that too? Yes “he” does. Go back to Ladd Ehlinger’s Patriot IM interview

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  276. “perhaps one Gennette or johnreid9 or goatsred knows is WHEN the Starchild111 photo was changed”

    http://tmi.me/9u9cP

    http://topsy.com/www.missgingerlee.com/

    goatsred (b20383)

  277. oh man. this story is so confusing. haha So, now the story is that Nikki and Marianela are real names, real people?

    banging head on keyboard….

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  278. 274. az5thdstrct

    Yes an intriguing thing noticed when the tweets started flowing….Opposite opinions, yet similar intensity.

    koam (7c1f46)

  279. 276. sarainitaly

    No, dad concedes names are not real. See 30.

    koam (7c1f46)

  280. Koam

    I cringed when I saw the back and forth tweets between you and JReid. I hated that I was reminded back to Ladd’s Pat interview. Just specualation. But an observation

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  281. I was getting DM’ed by “Marinela” about her friend “Nikki”. Until all of this happened, I had no idea how to do all of this checking using thses sites like Topsy.com, etc. Nor did I care.

    goatsred (b20383)

  282. AZ5- I thought the same thing. Same tone, same kind of answers. Online voice very like Patriot’s. Coupled with both using the my daughter/I was abused by an older man.

    Hmmm…..and now Gennette saying she is used to getting unwanted male attention, too.

    MayBee (081489)

  283. check the timeline, when the sockpuupets were selling the “Weiner tweeted/flirted my friend story, when the dicpic was sent, and when the sockpuppets changed their story, “I’m sorry for lies etc, Weiner is a great guy”

    windansea (e22844)

  284. Amen to: Comment by RocksEm — 6/23/2011 @ 8:42 am

    For anyone not clicking links, Goatsred shows Nikki had stars in sky avatar as late as May 13.

    MayBee (081489)

  285. Comment by koam — 6/23/2011 @ 8:50 am

    That’s weird that they went to all the trouble to create fake ID’s for TC….. Why not just tell TC that they are using fake names, and don’t want to give TC their real names. Faking ID’s is a bit strange, to me. (this whole thing is strange, but that seems quite extreme)

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  286. Gennette,

    I see you’ve responded to Patterico’s new post as well as several of the questions here. Wonder if you can shed light on the questions I ask in #246.

    Thank you

    scoovy (c1f735)

  287. Gennette—-If you notice, and you seem to have a great penchant for distorting things to fit your point of view-you’ll notice that almost all of the RT’s came from one person. It included everyone. That cannot be helped.Would you blame RAW if someone included his name in the RT?
    Or the President?
    I’m going to research and see if indeed and if so, there are any straight messages from me.
    Then leave me out of the “”harassment group”,ok?

    goatsred (b20383)

  288. Are Nickki and Marianela real friends or Twitter friends? In the DMs to Gennette it sounds like she doesn’t know her very well, but I thought they went to the same school?

    And good point – Marianela was selling out her friend Nikki to Stack, about the DMs. Then she said she lied… grrrr

    I knew high school girls weren’t trustworthy. haha

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  289. Re: Nikki and Marienela’s friendship: They exchanged tweets about going to the beach, asking if world lit paper was finished, etc.

    I have not been able to find any record of Marienela’s Twitter life earlier than 05/13. Note this also appears to be the day that Nikki changed avatar from star background to fake girl.

    Greg (bc8186)

  290. 279. az5thdstrct

    Similar intensity…and, notably similar opinion/passion regarding protecting girls.

    Opposite politically. (Despise vs. Admire RAW, for example)

    Haven’t gone back to analyze word selection, phrasing, punctuation habits, or anything like that re: PatriotUSA1776. Someone will, right?

    But the passions of both are compelling.

    Some notable “word choices” (coming from an adult man) from Tuesday night:

    http://badjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/06/johnreid9-tweets.html

    #43 & #44

    @PatriotUSA90210 @NYT_JenPreston @GNCordova
    Well, I’ll help you understand. Get a dictionary. Look up backstabber and Liar.
    about 1 hour ago via web in reply to PatriotUSA90210

    @PatriotUSA90210 @NYT_JenPreston @GNCordova
    While you’re there, page over to “T” section and see “two faced”
    about 1 hour ago via web in reply to PatriotUSA90210

    #86 #83
    @wittier @GNCordova and @NYT_JenPreston have lied and lied. There is no excuse for that. Especially Gennette She stabbed Nikki in the front.
    about 2 hours ago via web in reply to wittier

    @wittier I thank you for that. There is no excuse for @NYT_JenPreston or NYT. SHAME SHAME SHAME on you!!!!
    about 2 hours ago via web in reply to wittier

    koam (7c1f46)

  291. Why bother commenting on this post? We have a Journalist with a capital J on the case now! Jen Preston/NYT, who said there was evidence that “self-described conservatives “ were behind an effort to collect info to use against RAW. She didn’t explain why she thought that – it fit her narrative so she printed it. And hasn’t printed a retraction or clarification, that I’ve seen.

    And our intrepid Jen Preston called out Patterico just this morning – at 8:47 am:

    @patterico. Wow. Not once did you alert readers that @johnreid9 is a sock puppet. Not a real person. Why? The question: who is behind JReid.

    But Patterico specifically said that he hadn’t talked to “John Reid” on the phone or by Skype – he didn’t know if he was a real father or a jokester – and he warned his readers that he was simply going to report what he knew, and what he didn’t know – and he wasn’t going to offer opinions. Yet Jen Preston mischaracterized what Patterico did – publicly.

    And then we see in the comments that Gennette states that she’s already released all of her e-mail msg’s (#146): “I released ALL of the e-mails to someone” and later (#162) “The whole story has been told all of the proof has been shown. Will it ever all be public? I’m not sure”.

    Now, who do you think she released the correspondence to? Not Patterico, obviously. Andrew Breitbart? Prudence Paine? Nah …. I would just bet that Jen Preston has them. And we’re supposed to trust JP to tell the whole story? Sure. And don’t you think that JP must have been in touch w/ RAW, or his representation, whether legal or PR, by now? We will never hear the truth from Jen Preston. Nor Gennette, apparently.

    Miranda (4104db)

  292. 287. sarainitaly

    I think a girl who’s hopping mad at a friend would say that.

    Remember that girl whom I thought was my friend Marianela?

    She betrayed me and followed goatsred. She is lying and saying all kinds of trash about me.

    I blocked her and unfollowed her when I noticed they were following each other.

    Seems like common stuff you’d see on lots of teen girls’ facebook pages or tweets.

    koam (7c1f46)

  293. Koam/sarainitaly

    That’s what sockpuppet(s) do. They play different evolving roles. Changes as their objectives change.

    ProWeiner to AntiWeiner back to ProWeiner to fit their narratives.

    Play good cop vs. bad cop. Why it’s so confusing. And then they throw in new characters and puppets as the story needs

    az5thdstrct (118fcf)

  294. Comment by koam — 6/23/2011 @ 9:17 am

    yea…but it still sounds more like something you would say about a twitter friend than a good friend from school or something. who knows… kids today!

    sarainitaly (daf506)

  295. 290. Miranda.

    Yes. Preston has her own conclusions already and has been out there with many, many snarky tweets. She’s got spunk. In a way it’s endearing, even if it’s wrongheaded. She also has a lot of influence…her headlines and first paragraphs drive the tone of a slew of other media pickups on this story. And Joan Walsh likes her reporting.

    Reid’s story is that the names are fake and IDs were fake because family is already being treated cruelly even without being known.

    Patterico is in the process of putting out the info in full and leaving it to the readers to see if they want to believe Reid’s story or not.

    Certainly it’s ok to have interim theories of what happened..but none of us knows it all yet.. the best final conclusions will come after as much evidence is out there as possible. And it is evidence. Gennette has confirmed that. And it’s evidence that Preston doesn’t have.

    A jury has days when it’s thinking “guilty as hell” and others when it’s “innocent! let’s go home dammit!”…but the judge has them wait for all the evidence and arguments and instructions are presented before they can deliberate. That process doesn’t apply here. (What fun would that be?)

    But in this case the evidence would never even be published if someone weren’t willing to withhold judgement until after it’s all been read and thought about. And that someone is Patterico.

    koam (7c1f46)

  296. Mike/Goatsred,

    What day/time did Marienela DM you the message “mike we see what’s going on with rep weiner. nikki has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr.”?

    Greg (bc8186)

  297. 292. az25thdstrct

    Which is what makes it interesting no matter the outcome.

    293. sarainitaly.

    I think girls were like that a lot when I was a kid. In fact, some adults too. Best friends one day. Hated next. Back to friends again soon after.

    I don’t find it a reason not to believe.

    koam (7c1f46)

  298. Question: Did you clean up the grammar of the email exchanges in the 2-gennette-reid1 image? There’s not a single typo or grammatical error in the whole exchange; the sentences all seem similarly constructed between the two authors, as well. I call BS.

    Ezra (685446)

  299. It occurs to me that the original photo wasn’t all that shocking to a young person who has grown up watching “Jackass” ant “The Hangover” movies. I have two teenagers and have been amazed at what they find quite blase. At the same time, a 46-year old well knows how inappropriate it is. My point is that though it’s sad to many of us, GennetteC really may not consider the congressman’s original DM very offensive.

    Max434 (58eae3)

  300. Ok just speculation of course but this story is crazy. I’ll give it a shot : g ordova has a thing for Weiner. Weiner is doing his predator thing on the Internet. Patriot and team notice this. Setup fake accounts to sting so Nikki and Reid same person. Of course GCordo a only interested in protecting Weiner. Weiners lewd acts get him caught anyways because of the accident public tweet. Ethel is real? If so GCordov not sure and helping protect Weiner.

    Lions (48fdd0)

  301. 297. Ezra.

    One of the 2 authors is Gennette, posting here, who took a thumpin’ from JR9 in the tweet stream.

    So you call what at this time? GC’s all of them? She’s none of them? She hasn’t noticed yet?

    koam (7c1f46)

  302. 298. Max434

    Gennette was on record in NYT of being surprised and more by it.

    Ms. Cordova, who had traded messages with Mr. Weiner, a New York Democrat, about their shared concern over his conservative critics, said she had never sent him anything provocative. Asked if she was taken aback by his decision to send the photo, she responded, “Oh gosh, yes.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/nyregion/weiners-pattern-turning-political-admirers-into-online-pursuits.html

    koam (7c1f46)

  303. 299. Lions

    Ethel is a real underage girl who followed & interacted w/ RAW.

    koam (7c1f46)

  304. “288… I have not been able to find any record of Marienela’s Twitter life earlier than 05/13. Note this also appears to be the day that Nikki changed avatar from star background to fake girl.”

    Sounds about right. Earliest tweets I have from Marienela date from 5/13, and total “Tweets” on cache page show that 5/13 would be earliest of her tweets. Cache of nikki twitter page shows Marienela only among her most recent follows as of 5/17. Seems to me the plan to create Marienela was dreamed up about 5/13, as Nikki never referenced her before but did mention her to @gingerlee on 5/13. So it would make sense that Nikki avatar switched around same time, as socks would know AW would be attracted to that avatar over the star avatar.

    “295. Mike/Goatsred,

    What day/time did Marienela DM you the message “mike we see what’s going on with rep weiner. nikki has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr.”?

    yes,it would be awesome if @goatsred could release his DMs with nikki with timestamps.

    milowent (bc04ac)

  305. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Mike, can you reveal what Milowent is asking for?

    Dustin (c16eca)

  306. Sure, I will release anything you guys want..But for the record, the DMs were with marialena…
    But to answer this question first–“295.Mike/Goatsred,

    What day/time did Marienela DM you the message “mike we see what’s going on with rep weiner. nikki has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr.”?

    It was early Saturday morning,just hours after the dicpic “somehow” got sent to Gennette.

    I can send to Patterico or Aaron the CAPS.You guys let me know . But I will only send to them.

    goatsred (b20383)

  307. nikki has caps of messages from gennette nicole DMs talking about flirting with weienr.”?

    Those are the caps that Patterico posted above.
    Gennette was talking about flirting with Weiner, but now says she was making that up.

    MayBee (081489)

  308. Some possible evidence in support of Milowent’s (#17) “calling out” explanation of Weiner’s tweet about facebook. When “Veronica” was DMing Mike Stack, she told him that Weiner was “accusing her.” If this is true, then what, exactly was Weiner accusing her of?

    AJS (3acccb)

  309. I think it’s important to note that these conversations are being filtered and parts are potentially missing. Remember how people criticized the NYT for only presenting partial info? Well, we have no idea if “Reid” is providing the full context. In fact, Patterico says that he “redacted” emails from John Reid, despite previously saying that he would publish the full information, and GC seems to suggest that these emails include important context.

    In my opinion, a much better way to do this would be to just block out the names and then post the full information. If Patterio is selecting what gets “redacted” and how all of the information is organized, and this is after John Reid has already presumably selectively edited his part, then it’s not really true that we’re getting “just the facts.” We’re getting an interpretation of selected “facts.”

    AJS (3acccb)

  310. milowent, do you have links to the starchild111 and marienela cache pages you reference in 302? thanks.

    Greg (bc8186)

  311. 308. AJs

    Reid wanted Nikki’s email address to be redacted.
    Gennette’s email address is also redacted.

    Those are the only thinks I’ve noticed that were obviously blocked.

    Patterico got a bunch of emails forwarded essentially, so they had to be put into some kind of order to make sense and the email addresses covered.

    koam (7c1f46)

  312. In my opinion, a much better way to do this would be to just block out the names and then post the full information.

    Agreed, and Patterico intends to do so, but it takes a little time to process this stuff, and he’s got a busy day job, so please be a little patient. He’s promised to give 100% of the emails, unedited, instead of giving us selected facts. Patterico has always held up his end on those sorts of promises. I don’t think he has the slightest inclination to spin this, and wants you to be able to see the evidence and make up your own mind.

    But anyway, I totally agree with your principle, and I think that is the best way to contrast Patterico’s handling against the NYTs.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  313. Goatsred, so Marienela tweeted you late Friday night or after midnite, asking you to follow her? Or had you been following her earlier than that?

    Greg (bc8186)

  314. @308 Greg – I don’t have link because i think google has updated those caches at this point. I just posted my horribly-edited screengrabs of all betty and veronica tweets here in case anyone wants to see. I am sure I don’t have all @starchild111’s tweets.

    http://milowent.blogspot.com/2011/06/my-screengrabs-of-nikki-betty-and-mari.html

    I have no idea if this will be useful to anyone, but I couldn’t find any resource trying to compile these tweets to the extent they were preserved.

    milowent (bc04ac)

  315. thanks, milo. based on your screencaps, it shows that she was actually still using old avatar (stars on black background) on the day that she asked weiner to follow her and initiated her prom campaign.

    Greg (bc8186)

  316. @313 – no, i think she was using chickpic as of may 14. i think i grabbed some of these screencaps from different sites that archive tweets, so you’ll see the new pic shows up as early as May 14, because the google cache of her page from May 14 has it. unless she switched back and forth (instead of some re-tweet sites just lagging on avatars) i think its clear she used that pick as of may 14. its realistic to assume she started using it on may 13 when she and mari both wooed @juan2487.

    milowent (bc04ac)

  317. thanks, i see what you mean. there’s one tweet dated may 14 where she’s talking to juan and there’s the photo of the girl. then there’s the tweet on the 16th, where she’s talking about Weiner/prom, and it’s the stars/black background avatar.

    Greg (bc8186)

  318. Thanks for that, milowent.

    MayBee (081489)

  319. also, milowent, your screencaps reminded me of an April 28 exchange i saw a few days ago. Not sure how attention it’s gotten, but it goes like this:

    Ginger’s friend jokes about leaving her unicorn at “Weiner’s place.” Lee replies, “I could only hope. *wistful sigh* #whymustyoubringupanthonyweinerihaveacrushonhim.” Then she laments, “I think he’s probably one of the few people that are immune to my wooing skills. Why Weiner, why? It’s terrible. #intendedtobeafactualstatement.” A short while later, Starchild111 shows up.

    Greg (bc8186)

  320. Thank you for posting that, milowent. It explains a lot of what I didn’t know and fills in a lot of gaps.

    cinyc (b9d828)

  321. The elephant in the room here is Gennette’s contact with Weiner’s office and possible criminal behavior on their side (not hers).

    I read this whole thread, I think Gennette is bright and attractive but young enough to think she can fool all the people all the time.

    I also think that Patterico is taking a page out of Breitbart’s Acorn playbook (detailed in his book if you haven’t read it, I recommend it). The strategy is to release the information slowly, get the guilty to go on record denying it and then drop the hammer. I’ll be watching tonight for the next update!!

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  322. 319. Kaisersoze
    nice name.

    The Breitbart technique’s awesome. But JR is affecting the schedule by releasing the info in waves. I don’t think Patrick is sitting on anything as it takes time to process & compile…and he has a demanding day job as well.

    koam (7c1f46)

  323. Koam – You are probably right, but I’m kind of hoping Patrick got the goods and is playing the cards out ala Breitbart – being the sharp guy and prosecutor that he is.

    I don’t give a rats hiney what consenting adults do on social media and think its unlikely Gennette did anything illegal, but there does seem to be a lot of smoke around the possible fire of Weiner and his staff covering up, possibly illegally.

    Kaisersoze (c86eb0)

  324. Millowent-

    I think you’re missing the twitter.com/starchild111 page that is currently in Google’s cache, from April 16, 2011. It is of starchild111’s tweets alone and adds some more context. In particular, note the date of the last tweet on the bottom of the page.

    Link to Current Google Cache

    cinyc (b9d828)

  325. Cinyc – I’ve seen that avi before, but forgot something – when did the starchild111 avi get switched to the appropriated “Angela” photo?

    SarahW (af7312)

  326. omment by MayBee — 6/23/2011 @ 11:40 am

    Some possible evidence in support of Milowent’s (#17) “calling out” explanation of Weiner’s tweet about facebook. When “Veronica” was DMing Mike Stack, she told him that Weiner was “accusing her.” If this is true, then what, exactly was Weiner accusing her of?

    Actually, it was Marianela telling Stack that Betty was being accused by him (Weiner).

    The way I’ve read it (especially in light of his snarky (paraphrasing) “Yeah right, high school girl fan who doesn’t even know I have a FB account” I conclude He was likely accusing Nikkiperson of not being on the up and up.

    SarahW (af7312)

  327. This is a guess, but I think the nikki email address may have an indirect link to someone at UCLA.

    SarahW (af7312)

  328. “311.Goatsred, so Marienela tweeted you late Friday night or after midnite, asking you to follow her? Or had you been following her earlier than that?
    Comment by Greg — 6/23/2011 @ 1:52 pm
    We had been talking since the Thursday a week prior.Now it all seems so crazy because the premise was that Ethel and her friends were “harassing” Nikki and her. Sarah W has a complete summary I prepared for her. It is in one of these posts. Maybe I can call on her to post it again for me?

    goatsred (b20383)

  329. SarahW-

    That’s a question I asked up in #112. In #314, Millowent said around May 13 or 14, around the same time Betty and Veronica tweeted Archie about the baseball game. My guess is that’s right, though there is a FriendFeed Page, apparently from some time after May 18, showing the stars avatar. The latest tweet on that page dates from May 18.

    I’m not on Twitter and am far from an expert on it – but I think I understand the basics. I really have no clue how these secondary feed sites work, which is why I phrased my question to Gennette about the supposed johnreid9 public-by-Google search tweet via primal.com the way I did. Are these for real? Can they be manipulated? I suspect FriendFeed might have lagged in picking up the “Angela” photo – or Betty changed it back.

    By the way, I don’t think Gennette has answered that question.

    The FriendFeed Cache has two subscribers, both the same person – Hollie McKay, a Fox News pop culture reporter. I have no clue when she subscribed to the feed or even how to figure that out.

    cinyc (b9d828)

  330. Just saw this….
    Page Six’: Bloomberg Campaign Knew About Weiner’s Kinky Ways
    (but nobody said a word when it was unfolding a few weeks ago)
    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/page_six_bloomberg_campaign_kn.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fintel+%28Daily+Intelligencer+-+New+York+Magazine%29

    goatsred (b20383)

  331. The Current Google Cache of Betty’s FriendFeed page is from May 18. It doesn’t show that the Fox News reporter was subscribed to her page then.

    Again, I have no idea how this FriendFeed thing works.

    cinyc (b9d828)

  332. Oh, now Jen Preston will be on the case full throttle. If she can attach “Republican” to one of the players, then she’ll dig with gusto & report all the juicy details.

    Even if Bloomberg was hardly a Republican, and is now an Indy INO.

    Of course, if Bloomberg & Kevin Sheekey, the “political mastermind” knew, odds are that other interested parties knew as well. The plot thickens ….

    Miranda (4104db)

  333. @Comment by goatsred — 6/23/2011 @ 6:49 pm

    It’s been speculated that the Bloomberg campaign threatened to reveal Anthony Weiner’s flirty ways as a way to get him to jump out of the mayoral race in 2009, and now “Page Six” says it has proof. According to the gossip column, Bloomberg’s former political mastermind Kevin Sheekey has been going around boasting that he used his knowledge of Weiner’s “kinky ways” to persuade him to exit the race. Sheekey has reportedly been telling people he’s been onto Weiner since he was a City Council member.

    Interesting. Another candidate for sockpuppet master?

    bmertz (d77c52)

  334. I could have sworn this Bloomberg knew of Weiner’s exploits rumor has surfaced in the New York media before.

    A few days ago, Radar Online prints a story with very few new facts about Gennette’s old underage drinking arrest. Now, the Bloomberg rumor resurfaces.

    Interesting.

    cinyc (379ad3)

  335. The piece on Sheekey has got me thinking … Whoever wanted to drive a stake through Weiner’s heart did so – and then ran over him to boot. Overkill.

    Remember the Nat’l Enquirer pics, published 6/15, the day before Weiner resigned (I think)?

    “The National Enquirer pictures show Weiner protectively posing in a pair of pantihose and a bra as he smiles cheekily at the camera.
    Bizarre: Weiner had an early taste for taking shocking photographs, as seen here in these new images of him as an 18-year-old.
    In another photo an oiled Weiner poses in y-fronted swimming trunks in front of a Christmas tree.
    The pictures, taken by a college friend in 1982 when he was 18, demonstrate Weiner’s reputation at the State University of Plattsburgh as a flamboyant figure.
    Speaking to the Enquirer, the friend said: ‘The cross dressing photos were taken during a holiday activity in Anthony’s college dorm when he was just a sophomore.
    They were taken during the school’s traditional secret Santa event.
    ‘It was never quite clear whether one of Anthony’s challenges was to become a cross-dresser or if it was just some bizarre stunt he decided to do on his own.
    ‘The secret Santa was a three night event, and on another evening, Anthony showed up wearing skin tight swim briefs.
    ‘He was a very odd guy who went out of his way to do things purely for the shock value.’ ”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003804/Anthony-Weiners-wife-Huma-Abedin-returns-home-cross-dressing-images-emerge.html#ixzz1Q9wVpA5u

    Those pictures were from 1982. Surely Weiner’s had enemies before, had competition in elections before. Funny they haven’t surfaced before now. Was someone holding onto them, waiting for the right opportunity? And when Weiner went day after day, refusing to resign – finally played their last hand?

    Just speculating. How this would fit into sockpuppetry theatre, I have no idea.

    FYI there’s a FB page, “We support Anthony Weiner”, still going strong. Lots of interesting info there.

    Plus this fun detail – Weiner’s resignation still isn’t official (as of last night) – he’s still getting paid. The Dems have delayed some of the paperwork.
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/weiner_resignation_still_not_official-206719-1.html?pos=hln

    More info:
    NY Post Page 6 article on Sheekey (w/ pic, d. 6/22/11):
    http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/early_warning_YxeBHLXpLe8Awb67RnbIjI

    Sheekey steps down from position as Deputy Mayor for Gvt Affaris, d. 3/2/11:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/kevin-sheekey-bloombergs_n_482822.html
    Howard Wolfson takes his place
    Sheekey returns to Bloomberg LP

    Miranda (4104db)

  336. You’re slightly off on one thing. She lives in Seattle, WA (you can easily look that up). She goes to school in Seattle. Meaning she’s probably using a computer on campus. Although I suppose she probably lives in the dorms and it’s just her parents’ home which is in Seattle.

    bjwilson83 (5e7638)

  337. bj, IPs don’t necessarily resolve precisely, just to a pretty good approximate area. Your cable provider might be based in a slightly different location than you are.

    Test on your own IP.

    Anyway, Ms. Cordova on twitter is interacting with Patterico, and that plus the unpublished email, plus the IP make it reasonable to think we’re dealing with the genuine article. Not to mention she’s obviously trying to argue her case.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  338. Also, there is only one Nikki Reid in all of Washington. Lives in Longview. Classmate?

    bjwilson83 (5e7638)

  339. Oops I meant she goes to school in Bellingham. You can do a public records search to find that she lives in Seattle. And it’s definitely her, because the family (others living at the same address) matches up.

    bjwilson83 (5e7638)

  340. no my first name ain’t baby it’s Gennie

    Ms. Cordova if you’re nasty

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  341. used to be a time when you would weinertweet me
    weinertweet til I thought I’d lose my breath
    now it seems your tweetyfeet are always on your couch
    good thing huma cooks or else you’d starve to death

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  342. @324 cinyc – ooh, nice. i need to add those in.

    @341:

    11 pm, winding down in the evening
    Gotta be horny, gotta DM my dick
    Gotta quick delete, gotta say I’m #hacked
    Seein’ patriot ranting, tweets a’ goin’
    tweeting’ on and on, Breitbart’s rushin’
    Gotta get this rumor quashed
    Gotta catch my breath, I see my DICKTWEET (on big government.com)

    Reporters at the front door
    Reporters at the back door
    Gotta make my mind up
    Which reporters will repeat just what I say?

    It’s Tweet day, Tweet day
    Meant to DM on Tweet day
    Now Everybody’s lookin’ at my junk shot, junk shot
    Tweet day, Tweet day
    Sexting girls on tweet day
    Andrew’s lookin’ forward to my resignation

    Partyin’ with young chicks (Tweet!)
    Partyin’ with co-eds (Tweet!)
    Fun, fun, fun, fun
    Lookin’ forward to the sockpuppet expose.

    milowent (0f8248)

  343. PF> In each case, to see the full screenshot more clearly, you will have to click on the screenshot, and open it in its own screen.

    I find exactly the opposite to be the case. It’s much more readable without being enlarged. When it is enlarged the pixture may be bigger, but it’s actually got fewer pixels, I believe. It’s got all kinds of missing pixels.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  344. The threaded e-mails, on teh other hand, are MUCH BETTER when enlarged and seen in a separate window. In fact, they’ee not readable at all on the main page here.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  345. But they also can appear smaller. It’s all maybe how your computer handles *.JPG files.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  346. 9. Comment by RocksEm — 6/22/2011 @ 11:13 pm

    Gennette did not contact Nikki till AFTER the Weiner shot?

    That puzzled me for a second too, but this is one of Gennette’s later accounts after she shut down bthe original one. This one is GennetteC. The original one was GennetteNicole.

    When she established the new account, she had to restart following anyone she wanted to follow all over again.

    The unclarity here is because these documents came without any comment.

    All these in this document dump are probably genuine.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)


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