Sarah Palin: The Dirt Emerges From Her Emails!!!!!1!!1! Plus, Ziegler Bags on Her Potential Candidacy
After police visited the home of an underage girl who corresponded with Weiner on Friday, I asked my wife to hand me the front page of the L.A. Times on Saturday (the free edition from our hotel). What was featured? Sarah Palin’s emails, of course, silly!
By the time they get done swarming these, she will be the most vetted candidate on earth. And what’s the worst they’ve found? This touching email about Trig, written in the voice of “Trig’s creator, your heavenly father”:
To the Sisters, Brother, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, and Friends of Trig Paxson Van Palin (or whatever you end up naming him!):
I am blessing you with this surprise baby because I only want the best for you. I’ve heard your prayers that this baby will be happy and healthy, and I’ve answered them because Ionly want the best for you!
. . .
Trig will be his dad‘s little buddy and he’ll wear Carhartts while he learns to tinker in the garage. He’ll love to be read to, he’ll want to play goalie, and he‘ll steal his mom’s heart just like Track, Bristol, Willow and Piper did. And Trig will be the cuddly, innocent, mischievous, dependent little brother that his siblings have been waiting for in fact Trig will – in some diagnostic ways – always be a mischievous, dependent little brother, because I created him a bit different than a lot of babies born into this world today.
Every child is created special, with awesome purpose and amazing potential. Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed up world you live in down there on earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome. Doctors call it “Down’s Syndrome”, and Downs kids have challenges, but can bring you much delight and more love than you can ever imagine! Just wait and see, let me prove this, because I only want the best for you!
Some of the rest of the world may not want him, but take comfort in that because the world will not compete for him. Take care of him and he will always be yours!
Trig‘s mom and dad don’t want people to focus on the baby’s extra chromosome. They’re human, so they haven’t known how to explain this to people who are so caring and are interested in this new little Alaskan. Sarah and Todd want people to share in the joy of this gift I’m giving to the Palin family, and the greater Alaska family. Many people won’t understand… and I understand that. Some will think Trig should not be allowed to be born because they fear a Downs child won’t be considered “perfect” in your world. (But tell me, what do you earthlings consider “perfect” or even “normal” anyway? Have you peeked down any grocery store isle, or school hallway, or into your office lunchroom lately? Or considered the odd celebrities you celebrate as “perfect” on t.v.? Have you noticed I make `em all shapes and sizes? Believe me ,, there is no “perfect”!)
Much more at the link. I haven’t checked Andrew Sullivan for his reaction, but I suspect it is along the lines of: “Sarah Palin Thinks She’s God!!!!1!!l
Meanwhile, from the “how can I not post something that will generate this many comments?” category we have John Ziegler:
While I like “Sarah Palin 2.0” just fine politically, it was a creation of necessity and it was designed for survival and not to beat Obama. It baffles me how relatively few Republican voters seem to understand that beating Obama with any conservative is the ONLY thing that matters and that quite literally, through no real fault of her own, there are almost no conservatives not currently in prison who have LESS of a chance of beating Obama than Sarah Palin currently does. Worst of all, her just getting in the race greatly reduces the chances of an electable conservative, like Tim Pawlenty, getting enough traction to win the nomination.
It is well to remember, however, that the Zigmeister is personally on the outs with Palin:
My relationship with Sarah hit another pothole early in 2010 when I advised her via e-mail that herupcoming speech to the Tea Party Convention in Nashville was creating controversy because the event was both expensive and for profit.
She forwarded my message to her team, apparently forgetting to delete my address, with the comment, “If I have to suffer thru Ziegler’s e-mails, we ALL have to suffer thru.” Wow, that was a punch in the gut. Less than four minutes later, a panicked follow-up pinged into my Blackberry’s inbox: “John—pls [sic] know that was a joke! . . . you’re (sic) advice is very good, we have announced I will not be financially gaining from the speech, we need to get that word out there.” In other words, she’d acted on the message, but also made sure to take a pot shot at the messenger of bad news…
“Reply all” will haunt email users for all time. As a misdirected message, though, this is a slightly less embarrassing example than Weiner’s tweeting his junk to the world. Maybe Ziegler’s example will end up on the front page of the L.A. Times.
what kind of moron uses periods to abbreviate tv?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:01 amPretty sure I have.
Patterico (135ea8) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:08 amhmmm. That’s certainly not very parsimonious. Do you also say “Down’s Syndrome” instead of Down Syndrome?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:15 amFrom: gov.sarah@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:44 AM
To: Leighow; Sharon W (GOV); Leschper; Beth (GOV); Katz; John W (GOV)
Cc: Tibbles; Michael A (GOV); Irwin; Tom E ( DNR); Rutherford ; Marty K (DNR); Slemons; Jonne D (DNR); Anders; Bruce F (DNR); Balash ; Joseph R (GOV); Kelly; Russell T (GOV)
Subject: PSIO
Sharon- I’m shocked and disappointed Chenault’s taking out PSIO positions and BP corrosion lawsuit funds out of my budget. Is back here in DC speaking with Cneney (sat with him the entire State dinner last night), will try to speak w/Bush today… speaking with national reporters and all these governors all about AK’s proof that we can provide sound oversight of resource development, as evidenced by PSIO, lawsuits to hold industry’s feet to the fire re: waste of valuable natural resources, etc… and here while I’m away I find out the legislature may undermine those efforts? It’s unacceptable if the nation is to believe we’re capable of responsible, ethical ramped up development that’s need in our state, for our nation.
—–Original Message—–
From: ” Mason , Janice L (GOV)”
Date : Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:32:28
To:ExternalEmailgsp ,”Fagerstrom, Erika (GOV)”
Cc:”Perry, Kristina Y (GOV)” ,”Leighow, Sharon W (GOV)”
Subject: RE: School visits
We have approx. 1 dozen books left at the Mansion for distribution. I have the new book marks signed (70) and will ship up to ANC office today. Janice
—–Original Message—–
From: gov.sarah@yahoo.com [mailto:gov.sarah@yahoo.com)
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:16 AM
To: Mason, Janice L (GOV); Fagerstrom, Erika (GOV)
Cc: Perry, Kristina Y (GOV); Leighow, Sharon W (GOV)
Subject: School visits
Todd and Willow will be visiting classroom(s) on Wednesday, maybe one day before that too. We’ll look for bookmarks for them to hand out in the Anchorage office, and we’ll need a load of those kid books from the mansion to be transported here so we have them to distribute outside of Juneau ( that can wait until we can load them in the king air). Pls note on sched what they’ll be doing for First Family event(s) this week.
Thanks
Sent from my BlackBerry ( r) device from Cellular One
Emphasis mine.
Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Clarice
We have to get this kind of news from UK publications.
The defense writes itself–it’s private, it’s just sex, can’t we all just move on, he’s going into rehab:
Daily Mail
“Mark James Cusack hadn’t even been in office for six months when the Massachusetts state representative was placed under investigation for ‘inappropriate contact’ last month. Mr Cusack, 26, is accused of an indecent act with a female staffer of a fellow lawmaker inside the state House chamber. The alleged act is said to have been discovered by a court officer in the empty chamber late at night in May, after a long session on the budget. Mr Cusack is a Democrat and the State Representative of Massachusetts for the 5th Norfolk District,”
Posted by: Clarice | June 13, 2011 at 10:48 AM
narciso
Great, a follower of Nor Luap, what could go
wrong:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1061
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:50 AM
narciso
You know Ignatz, even when you joke, you’re on point:
http://www.democracynow.org/2005/6/13/fbi_whistleblower_white_supremacists_are_major
Posted by: narciso | June 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM
Extraneus
From: gov.sarah@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:11 PM
To: Kelly; Russell T (GOV)
Cc: Leighow; Sharon W (GOV); Leschper; Beth (GOV); Rehfeld; Karen J (GOV); Tibbles; Michael A (GOV)
Subject: Sudan
Russ- if you get a chance to talk to Gara or Lynn, let them know I do support their efforts on divestment. I haven’t known what they needed of me, but I’m not impressed with Mike Burns avoiding the question and giving Alaskans the of “not available for comment” comment.
If asked, I’m telling Alaskans I still desire to have the conversation with Burns to let him know my take on this (but he hasn’t expressed interest in knowing what I’d like to do on this
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:16 amSorry about that, but those two posts, one about
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:18 amthe legislature, and the divestment campaign, are
on point:
have you ever peeked down a grocery store isle?
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:18 amYes, Happyfeet, you can say “Down’s”. It’s primarily called that in Europe, and Down Syndrome in the US, IIRC.
But these were informal emails, not intended for public scrutiny.
It’s like you saying ‘hmmmm.’ or not capitalizing your sentences. It’s no big deal.
What matters is that Palin is not the vapid lousy jerk people have cartooned her as. She’s certainly not a Harvard grad elitist, and she’s certainly not perfect, but she’s intelligent and moral. She also comes across as a soft spoken big stick leader in some of these emails.
Honestly, if she had some kind of economic expertise, I’d be very confident about her beating Obama. People want a sure hand to steady the ship.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:21 amI’m sure hf never, ever, makes missteaks in his emails.
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (2efdf5) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:22 amthey think the “god letter” is news. i read about it years ago.
this is just covering for the fact they found… nothing.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:24 amMr. Dustin I think I learned in the comments here at Mr. Patterico’s that you use the apostrophe if the malady is named after someone what suffered from it. If it’s named after the person, usually a doctor, what first described it, then there’s no apostrophe. Like Lou Gehrig’s disease vs. Tourette syndrome. But no it’s not a big deal.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:25 amHey EricPWJohnson uncovered e-mails stating she kissed a girl and she liked it.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:25 amIt was the syndrome Down had, so Down’s Syndrome is a reasonable name for it.
Zig’s comments are amusing. The (sic) seems rather petty with regard to “pls”, not to mention he punctuates “sic” differently, so he’s no stickler for usage.
People tend to do this to Republicans. They did it to Reagan. They ignore what is being said, and harp about how the typo proves something fundamental (while making tons of typos). This is dumb schoolyard taunting for 8th grade girls.
And yeah, I bet Ziegler was insufferable. Palin shared them with her people because he probably had a point, and softened it by noting she doesn’t appreciate his attitude either. He leaked that stuff because he can’t take a criticism.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:26 amZiegler is a backstabbing idiot.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:27 amI don’t understand how forwarding an email works like reply-all. What kind of email system is that?? When you forward you have to insert new addresses.
jeanne (5a5d33) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:28 amThanks for sharing (not sarcasm). But it seems people use both Down and Down’s. In the US, Down is standard, and indeed, this is quite a nit pick considering she was probably crying when she typed it.
This is the underlying attack lefties keep scrambling around. Trig. It just proves something too human. She waited to announce it… she considered termination… she accepted and grew beyond worrying about herself to helping share a very positive view on this syndrome.
But she didn’t focus group any of that. And it shows a lack of absolute certainty at times. And it’s just… not something elitists thinks is pretty. They think this is pathetic.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:29 amShe wanted to share it with her whole staff, so she did.
I don’t even know if she intended to keep Ziegler out. She may have wanted him to know that his messages are insufferable, but his advice is needed, with a joke that a better man would have absorbed and improved himself over, and a lesser man would have cried about while leaking the message.
In political campaigns, if you can’t take criticism, and you can’t keep issues behind closed doors, you are useless.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:31 amWhat kind of moron anal-yzes things like that (other than LA Times, NY Times etc. when Palin’s involved)?
Gerald A (9d78e8) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:35 amMr. Ziegler is right about her unelectability. Boy is he. She starts with blazingly high negatives. And how often do negatives ever go down in the course of a heated campaign? Not really a lot often I’d bet. Especially when you’re running against people what are better qualified than you are.
For Palin to win, Obama would have to willfully alienate his own base, which would be almost impossible if his opponent were someone who energizes his base as much as Sarah Palin does.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:37 amDohbiden
I’m wondering about the person who needs 25 out of 26 democrats to pass a tax that she thinks is a conservative act
I could care less about her emails
Ziegler’s opinion is just that
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:41 amI think that’s true, Happyfeet. If Palin were to win, it would be the result of a lot of things lining up for her that I don’t think will happen.
In particular, Obama will have his base turn out if his opponent is Palin, whom they hate with the fury of a thousand suns.
Yet, Palin would probably be a good president for all her minor nit picky faults. She’s got long term vision, morals, and she consistently gives a crap about doing it right, respecting her people, following the rules.
She would be completely reform minded with absolutely no hope of appealing to the MSM. It would fundamentally change this country and how politics work, and for the better.
The only problems are her experience and electability. But the latter is simply too big to overcome. I think it’s easy to think the election will just be about Obama and his failures, but 2010 showed us that Tea Party reach is limited in some parts of the country.
Just wait for the Texas session to end and Perry to announce, and we’ll see what Palin does.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:43 amIsn’t it ironic that you keep on bagging on that but don’t regret voting for someone endorsed by angry militant tax and spenders.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:44 amI also like that Palin was so great about conservative spending and cutting taxes. Only Scozzafava supporting concern trolls disagree. Do you want to Scozzafava Working Family Party to decide what is and is not conservative?
No.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:44 amFor you Eric.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:45 amDoh, if EPWJ is in a thread, it’s a given that 99% of the flack is directed at him. This is because he’s a liar and no one respects his lying.
Sadly, good people have left the blog over this crap. He’s unbelievably hostile if you challenge him on the facts. He’s just not honest. A concern troll.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:47 amYou know we can always benefit from wisdom like ‘if they offer the stimulus funds, we have to take it’
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:50 amor give the ‘President ‘temporary spending authority
over the Congress’ that’s what eight years of Gov, provide you.
There are people who oppose Scozzafava who have reservations about palin’s record.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:51 amMr. Dustin she would’ve been a good president before it had become clear that we’ll need more than a good president if we hope to somehow find workable solutions to the grave and sudden peril in which our little country finds itself. But even then she would’ve had to complete her term as governor. It’s just sort of how steak is done.
Rick Perry and Pawlenty aren’t exactly super-inspiring either though when set against the challenge. But they’re easily more compelling than Romney. Romney’s a dirty global warming whore what likes to shove dirty socialist health cares down people’s throats.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:51 amNot sure how using periods has anything to do with being excessively frugal.
Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:52 amThe media succeeded in branding Sarah Palin as a dumb bimbo and Dick Cheney as a bloodthirsty villain. Cheney gets defended by the GOP establishment, while Palin is thrown to the wolves. Passing curious, that.
Gregory of Yardale (07425b) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:55 amDustin
Yawwwwnnn
Dohbiden
Would you call something a conservative accomlishment that needed the TOTAL support of the entire Democrat delegation and ony a handful of Republicans?
Also, and still with no answer:
How does increasing taxes reduce revenue and the spending and size of government?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:56 amI agree with Ziegler, happyfeet, and Dustin. The demonization of Palin has been completely unfair, but a lot of independents believe it. And she’d turn out the Democratic base en masse to vote against her, in a way almost no other candidate would.
I could see one way in which her entering the primary race could benefit the Republican cause, though: as a stalking horse. Imagine if she stayed front-runner almost until the actual primaries, then withdrew and threw her support behind whoever was in second place. That would be months and months during which the media would have done nothing but run negative Palin stories, while completely ignoring the rest of the Republican field. Suddenly they’d be scrambling to do oppo research on the actual nominee, with much less time to do it.
However, I don’t think that’s a likely scenario. So I’d be happiest if she stays right where she is, as one of the public voices of the Tea Party. There, the media can demonize her all they want to and it doesn’t hurt her, the Tea Party movement, or the chances of getting a real conservative in the White House in 2012. And it still provides the stalking-horse effect: any airtime spent running “Sarah Palin is an ignorant redneck” stories is airtime not spent running “Paul Ryan pushes grannies in wheelchairs off of cliffs” stories, or “(insert nominee’s name here) eats babies for breakfast” stories.
Robin Munn (347954) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:57 amThey are already off to a bad start, the CNN debate with questions from Twitter and Facebook, ‘monitored
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:58 amby John King, there’s no potential for ambushes, right.
Exactly.
Ian’s right. Perry isn’t perfect. For one thing, I don’t think he’s really the factor behind Texas’s amazing success, though I do think he runs a tight ship that stays out of the way for the most part (which is what I want the President to do).
Perry is probably a lot like Mitt Romney, only they tailored themselves to different states. This is a completely baseless assumption on my part, but that’s my opinion. Perry is no Chris Christie or other true believer, but he’s actually a competent administrator and a compelling candidate.
I worry that he’s not really as smooth as he seems, because he’s been very good at ducking hostile interviewers in Texas, and picking the time to answer up. He can’t get away with that in a Presidential election, so we’ll see what happens.
The ‘He’s like Bush’ argument will hilariously backfire, as I think Bush would beat Obama today, and Obama has committed most of the ‘fierce moral urgency’ offenses.
I’d rather have Palin in the White House. But the ugly truth is that for me, 2012 is a vote against Obama. I’m not voting FOR someone. That’s sad, but true. Frankly, I think Ron Paul supporters are the only ones who are voting FOR someone (and I do not like Ron Paul).
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:59 amJohn Ziegler is entitled to his opinion, and he certainly has the background and resume to make the case that Sarah Palin is unelectable. But, Ziegler’s as dead wrong as it’s possible to be.
The American people love Sara Palin. If Palin runs, she easily wins the GOP nomination, and then goes on to beat the daylights out of Obama. No one with the brains of of a turnip would vote for that miserable failure again, not even Democrats are that stupid. Obama and his media enablers fooled the voters once, but that won’t happen this time around, not with Palin in the race.
Every time Obama tries to blame Bush he only succeeds in revealing himself to be a whining liar and a sniveling crybaby, which are not the characteristics America respects or wants. Palin stands tall and talks straight, the comparison could not be more glaring.
I don’t want to overstate the case, but I do want to say clearly that the American people are so united behind Palin right now that she could even give Ronald Reagan a rough time in the upcoming GOP Primary Election.
And, the Devil take the naysayers.
ropelight (b4b00f) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:00 amFor the record, I proved incontrovertibly, that EPWJ was so mad at my argument’s truth that he lied about what I said repeatedly. He’s a concern troll, and his ‘yawwwwwn’ retort couldn’t be farther from the rage he has for honest conservatives.
Nothing he says about Palin appears to be the truth.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:01 amDustin
We know you are a committed democrat…..
call that another assumption, why should anyone listen to a democrat?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:02 amIf you’re right, then America is saved. I don’t think you’re right.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:02 amYou do love to ask questions, and you do love to refuse to answer them. You will be proven a liar, and then ignore that. Ignore even the accusation you’re a liar. And then start asking questions.
Why should anyone listen to a democrat? Do you really think anyone falls for that? You endorsed and lobbied and got incredibly aggressive in backing a Working Family’s Party candidate who ultimately endorsed a democrat. You lied about a border patrol officer protecting his life. You clipped my quote to say the opposite of what I clearly said (to prove I’m a democrat! ha!) and now you’re the Grand Inquisitor of all conservatives. Too pure for Palin! Because taxes go up and down, and so does spending.
You believe in Crony Capitalism rather than the free market, and have lied and lied that the overcoming of corruption in Alaska constitutes a tax. It’s pathetic and dishonest.
Furthermore, I have no problem with people listening to democrats. They are generally wrong on policies, but you betray your disrespect for human rights.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:07 amDustin
Only democrats and Paulinsitas use the talking points you yammer on about Perry, constantly word for word
Your Inner donk is showing
Tell us again about your love for Bill White – remember they guy who ran against Perry?
Democrats come in all colors and sizes, including those who think Perry is Romney
Yawwwnn
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:07 amYou know what Eric, Perry was the local party chair
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:07 amfor Dukakis, in 1988.
ian, that’s pretty disturbing. Dukakis?
Ugh.
However, I guess I have to say HW Bush was not really the greatest Republican. But Dukakis? Jeeeeez.
I’m just desperate at this point. Honestly, Pawlenty, Perry, Palin, Romney… they aren’t that weak a bench. All have executive experience as running an entire state’s government. Pawlenty and Palin are very well spoken about our country’s problems. Perry has hard core levels of experience. Romney is actually not as bad as I want to say he is, either.
Any of them would be so much better than Obama. I don’t like that argument. I want to vote FOR something.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:11 amDustin
Keep on yammering about how Perry is Romney and that his vetoing and the enterprize fund and the countless trips to major manufacturers had nothing to do with texas yada yada yada
Sure go ahead tell everyone here how Perry doesn’t matter
Well he didnt raise taxes now did he?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:11 amReally?
hahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahaaha
hahahahahaha
Will a single person come forward to say they are convinced by EPWJ’s claims?
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:12 am#37, Dustin, do you actually think that given a choice between a New Beginning with Sarah Palin and 4 more years of Obama’s staggering unemployment, failed Stimulus, idiotic health care takeover, illegal foreign interventions, and all the rest, that American voters would opt for more of the same?
ropelight (b4b00f) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:15 amI have not posted often on this blog (maybe once before 3-4 months ago), so I have not established my conservative credentials which will leave me open to any interpretation you decide to assign to me. Given that…
I read Ziegler’s entire post last night. I have not been following him closely so I was reading it with mostly an open mind. My takeaway is that he truly does believe that Palin is both intelligent and real. He defended her and had many positive things to say.
With that in mind, I think his assessment of her chances at a presidential run in 2012 might have a lot of truth to it. I am in no way a political expert. My opinions come from a logical perspective rather than from practical experience. But I think Ziegler may be right that without support from independents, Palin is probably not electable.
That does not mean I think she can’t be president. I just don’t think it will be this election. My view is that she should start working on using her charm, wit and public forum to start carving out her own story. This email “mining” attack is going to generate a lot of sympathy from the independents. I read someone else who said American’s don’t like it when someone is treated unfairly, and this might be the event that starts to soften people’s perception. I think, over time, people will begin to take Palin for who she is and not what the media says, but it takes time to undo damage, and there just is not enough of it this election cycle.
Palin should start a series of lectures that address specific policy issues and approach them from a practical perspective, rooted in conservative thought, but aimed at appealing to a broader swath of Americans. She needs to avoid the more strident rhetoric like “death panels” (though she was not inaccurate in her assessment, it’s just that it will not draw in the middle but rather create opportunity for media to exploit the image.)
She should see about targeting media personalities that have the respect of Americans but who are honest enough to report the truth once they have it whack them upside the head. There aren’t many, but if she can find a few journalists who will report that they “talked to Palin and found her to be…”, People will start to take notice. Despite his liberal slant on things, Jon Stewart has been known to deviate from the liberal reservation at times when the truth is just too obvious to ignore. He might be someone she could target, but I’m just tossing that one out, I really don’t know if my read is accurate.
Anyway, the point is, she has the ability to win people over once they get to know her, so she needs to start getting away from the base and working the middle. She is young enough that she can wait 8-12 years to get her shot. Maybe play kingmaker this time around and grab for the gusto in 4-8 years (depending on who takes the House next year.
Eyago (f53bfd) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:16 amPerry is not a purist by any definition. And taxes and spending go up or down, even if you’re conservative. You have to get beyond absolutes. Was the tax a good idea? Was the spending a good idea?
For example, the oil companies in alaska were bribing politicians, and Palin solved that, and you call that liberal, when good people call it fair.
My taxes in Texas have gone up… property and sales, but I don’t blame Perry. For the most part, the tax increases are minor and important. We aren’t that right wing of a state… just common sense.
Indeed, to close the $27 billion budget shortfall, assessments and fees across Texas will go up. But that’s fine. Perry’s choice to avoid a tax hike will lead to a tax hike that is more focused and local. I think that’s effecient.
Though I also think that’s not his call, since he’s not the LT Gov.
You seem to associate Perry with anything that occurs in Texas, which is fundamentally ignorant of one of the most constitutionally weak governors on the planet.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:16 amIan
Yes he was and switched Parties later and never looked back
Palin raised taxes and spending to the point that Alaska is approaching 4 times the per person spending that Texas is
And she ran as a fiscal conservative in 2005/6 and was going to epeal the tax increase Murkowski put on the oil companies
She also took thousands of dollars from veco and served on both Ben Stevens and Senator Stevens campaign staff and relection committees
And only left murkowski when he appointed his daughter instead of her for governor
go figure eh?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:17 amfor Senate, sorry not Governor
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:17 amWell he was for Gore in the primary, unclear who he supported in the general, this was back when the former appeared sane,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:17 amActually, she did not, she made quite clear that the PTT was poorly designed, she brought down
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:20 amRuedrich, when she saw him conducting private business from his post, helped push out Renkes
the Atty Gen, as a private citizen,
Not happily.
And yeah, I know how insane it would be for America to vote Obama over Palin. But it wasn’t very smart for them to elect Obama in the first place. He had no experience then, palled around with terrorists and had his baby baptised by an America hating monster, and was running against a man with lots of experience who played Jack Bauer in a prison camp for years. Obviously Mccain was so moderate as to be almost meaningless, but every conservative knew who the best choice was, so why did the middle and left overcome that?
Because this nation has a problem that is deep and pervasive. It will take a generation of education reforms before I can say I’m confident American would make the right choice between Palin and Obama.
I can’t say for sure Palin would lose. I think it would be a close contest. A knock out drag out fight. And Palin is a fighter. If she’d been free to run the 2008 campaign, I think Mccain would have won.
But it’s not a bet I want to take with the stakes this high.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:20 amYep. Palin is a fighter. It’s amazing how much EPWJ lies about her. Happyfeet doesn’t have to lie to articulate his opposition to her being the nominee, but EPWJ doesn’t know how to argue without lying.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:23 amEPWJ anyone who endorses Fuzzyfattyfava is the real democrap.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:28 amOh good Allah. Why don’t you stick to counting joooooooos, epwj? Your incessant inane yammerings and rampant dishonesty is Tourette’s-esque at this point, certainly Pavlovian. Seek help, preferably deep in the deep sands.
JD (b98cae) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:31 amDustin
You seem to have information along with DRJ, Palin that no one else seems to have, the FBI, the Minerals Management Bureau, The Alaskan State Police that all these Oil companies were “bribing” legislators – you should really report them to the proper authorities
Which Oil companies bribed Legislators? Where are those indictments? Conoco, BP, ExxonMobil, and Chevron?
Your taxes went up in Texas?
The state doesn’t levy a property tax and controls how much the school boards can raise taxes – Perry cut those a third – the largest property tax cut in US history – so this is a democrat talking point – my taxes went up – democrat talking point
My own house taxes in Texas went way down like 1900 dollars a year. since the cut I’ve saved about 13,000 dollars in just a few years.
Also the State sales tax is the same since Perry took office – you could be spending more – or have bought a bigger house or the value of your house has increased due to the fact that Texas creats most of the jobs in the Country
And has – funny – since Perry used the veto more than the last what was it 10 or 14 Texas Governors combined – he cut in his first years 3 billion in new taxes and spending – the Lt Governor has power to pass legislation – the texas Governor has the power to strip out anything he doesn’t like with a veto
And Perry does it every session much to the dislike of democrats – you wont see 100% of Democrats voting to support Perry’s tax cuts
Unlike Palin, who is at best a moderate in Fiscal matters
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:35 amRenke was working for a mining company something that is very common, Reudich, quit like Palin and instead of fighting her non charges – had the Republicans pay a nominal fine and he’s happily running the party and his business – if he were guilty of ethics violations and being bribed he would have been charged – he wasnt
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:38 amRight, Texas, that came up with the Railrado Commission, that was Perez Alfonso’s inspiration for OPEC. They don’t have an income tax, the franchise fee, is the main source of revenue
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:39 amI feel badly for Ziegler. He overestimated his influence towards Palin. He thought his defense of Palin means he becomes her close advisor. It doesn’t always work that way. Palin should defend herself. Ziegler done way too much… the documentary, appearing on media programs. I can say he is making his name on Palin’s back, which is probably what Palin thinks is happening, and she wants some distance.
Ziegler’s article is wrong. He should have just faded away, but he decided on revenge. What is strange way of getting the last laugh? No, Palin now has another enemy. Then again, how will Palin get elected with so many enemies?
THWLS (ea4bfa) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:39 amTHWLS,
the hard truth is that if Palin runs for the nomination she will win it. The polls might say otherwise, but this is practically undeniable.
And once she wins the nomination, anyone backing Obama over her has destroyed their credibility with sane people.
So there’s that. But it’s not enough to win the general election. Too many people do not really care about this nation’s fundamental problems.
Miller lost to Murkowski. Palin would urge you to not tie your fate to a deficit spending regime of goodies forever, for your own good, and people would say ‘I just want some goodies’.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:43 amYep.
You have access to google, don’t you?
You sound like such an idiot. Your defense that Perry didn’t raise my taxes is actually what I already said… it’s not really his call, moron. He’s a constitutionally weak governor in a state that has much more local control over these things.
I’m cool with my tax rate, btw.
I do see what you’re doing. You want me to bash Perry, so you lie about what I said, hoping to goad a defense of an argument I didn’t make.
You just cannot argue without lying. It’s like, even if you have an honest argument, that’s not mean enough.
You drove off DRJ, and Stashiu asked you to be banned. Practically everyone interacting with you dislikes you and discovers a lie. You lie and lie and lie. I bet you are quite a loser in person.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:46 amIan
Then why did the Democrats vote for it and the Majority of Republicans vote against it?
And why did the House Republicans in Alaska vote to repeal it as soon as she was gone and some of Murkowskis rates as well?
If this was such a good thing – why are increasing tax rates now equal to less govenment spending and less government?
To Support palin – you got to get this sticky issue to fit
Palin said she was going to lower the Murkowski Taxes – got elected
Did the reverse – raised taxes to a top rate of 93% at 120 dollars a barrel
Raised Spending astronomically in Alaska
reagan was a Democrat – so Was Ike, in fact some say Ike never changed his registration until he accepted the Republican nomination
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:47 amDustin
Yoy bash Perry all the time
its called being a democrat –
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:53 amIt’s called being a democrat
That is projection you Scuzzafava worshipping mental deficit.
And you shatting on Palin for raising taxes is projection too.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:55 amI think that Palin should run for president as a really conservative Democrat. It’d be a win/win/win for the Democrats/Republicans/Tea party.
Imagine the primary debates!
Pious Agnostic (291f9a) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:57 amLook the Party can come up with Clayton Williams, down there, don’t tell me they’re infallible,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:59 amDustin
Its okay to bash Perry go right ahead – however most people want something more specific than – he’s a weak governor – meme that Democrats tend to use like Chris who lost to him and Bill white who you also think is a good candidate who is a very liberal democrat who raised millions for Obama in Texas
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:04 amDustin put it best:
I like DRJ better than this dishonesty troll. Ditto Stashiu3.
So I think it would be interesting to have a poll.
Still, for whatever reason, Patterico likes the guy around. His blog, his rules. But he does drive off people.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:06 amWho the hell do you think you are insisting you know Dustin’s voting record?
BTW you do not like Perry and are pretending to.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:08 amI’m not asking Patterico to ban anyone (I’d email him if I wanted that). No worries.
Everyone can see what EPWJ is. DRJ is particularly unwilling to tolerate drama, and I can understand why she wouldn’t be in a room with a grandiose loudmouth liar like EPWJ, but that’s in her, not him. It’s her choice. Tough to say that… I think she’s was a big part of this blog, but still.
I don’t think EPWJ should be banned because it’s just too damn easy to see through his act. I cannot recall a single time anyone believed him about anything controversial. Sometimes he’ll chime in to regain a little concern troll credibility.
Anyway, liars like him really really hate Sarah Palin. They love Scozzafavas. Interesting.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:09 amdohbiden
Please provide the quote where I said I would vote for DeeDee?
Got one?
If lying deliberately about me – somehow – erases the fact that Palin raised taxes and spending
go ahead, but still
1. Palin ran on a simple platform as governor – reduce taxes to increase investment and jobs in Alaska
2. She was a member of Both Ben Stevens and governor Stevens campaign staff and committees
3. she was a vital part of the Murkowski machine – in fact her role as an establishment republican in 2002 was partly to blame for her first statewide loss in the Lt Gov Primary
4. she took money from Veco, even though she knew they were under suspicious and investigation for bribery but so was almost everyone in Alaska started under Bill Clinton’s Administration
5. She Raised taxes with 25/26 democrats approving and less than half of the republicans – her spending measures 100% democrat support 25% republicabn support
6. Her Republican collegues have overturned not only her taxes but are winding back her excessive spending programs as unsustainable and anti investment
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:11 amrom : Ivy Frye
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:15:13
To:Sarah Palin , Kris
Perry , Frank Bailey
, Todd Palin
Subject: press conf
Are you guys listening to the senate press conf? Stedman/Hoffma are getting drilled by Gregg Erickson. “Would it be accurate to say the Senate Bi-Partisan Working Group doesn’t have an overall spending plan?” All Stedman and Hoffman can say is they’ve saved more in 08 than in state history. Alright, but what’s your SPENDING Plan???
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:12 amDustin, I think you give this kind of person too much credit for consistency. Given the history of posts, I am not sure that he believes in much of anything other than a self-referential Charlie Sheen “winning” meme.
Banning is a “blog owner” rule. People get to vote with their feet. What concerns me is when good and interesting commenters opt out rather than deal with internet jerks.
But, as I have said all along, that is a situation that only the blog owner can evaluate.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:12 am1.what kind of moron uses periods to abbreviate tv?
And happyfeet’s life support apparatus has its PDS-generated power for another week. What a relief to everyone, I’m sure.
MSE (8833fc) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:13 amIs this your passive aggressive way of bashing Perry? Bash him, and then lie and say I did that? Two birds with one stone?
I think he’s shown competence. He’s had a few ugly episodes, but with a lengthy term of office, that’s to be expected, and it’s a bit unfair to compare him to people who made fewer choices on that basis.
And the democrat thing… I’m not sure it’s that bad. Perry was a democrat in the 1980s… the democrat party annoyed the hell out of my back then, but Texas democrats were not nearly that bad. They’d have thought 2008’s John Mccain was a commie. George W Bush could have been one.
I think he’s governed well, but he’s not perfect.
I don’t think we need a perfect president. We need a leader to get government out of our way. Perry gets that. EPWJ once quoted me in ten threads, repeatedly, quoting my saying I don’t know if Perry is up to national politics, to prove I don’t support him. He clipped out half my sentence where I noted I supported Perry.
That’s how he works. There’s no word but liar for EPWJ.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:13 amAnd the near universal dislike must burn to some extent. I hope so.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:13 amThat’s a compelling argument. I used to consider what in the hell must motivate this weirdo. I gave up, but that’s as good a guess as any. All I know is that EPWJ is a habitual liar. He’s probably a 13 year old girl.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:14 amDustin
all I asked was that DRJ find where one of the majors were bribing Alaskan legislators for oil leases.
She couldnt in Jan and when she repeated it – she was called on it.
I wasnt or didnt intend to be mean to her – look its a simple question – did she have any proof that the majors were bribing legislators for oil leases – as she claimed was happening until Palin?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:15 amSo she took money from VECO but you are criticzing her for raising their taxes.
Your a flip-flopping pig.
She raised taxes.
So did the arseholes in the green party who supported Dede Fattyfatso.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:16 amWow. Even Palin’s detractors say she saved more than anyone in state history. I had no idea.
But she did support some spending, so EPWJ can say she’s a communist (while saying communists are Republicans).
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Anyway, thanks Ian for staying on topic. I think EPWJ might be trying to poison any Palin threads, in order to both convey the idea she’s a source of party troubles and also to prevent anyone from hearing a favorable argument for her.
Doesn’t that make sense? Let’s see if there is ever a Palin post here that EPWJ doesn’t completely derail. Sure, he wants to talk about Perry right now, but he didn’t want to in the last Perry thread. Hmmmmmmm.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:17 amDude you effing idiot VECO was bribing oil companies but yet Palin was a villain in your hare-brained story for raising their taxes.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:17 amYep, you ignore arguments and then come up with rude and dishonest questions, based on lies, and demand people answer them, until they get fed up. You’ve done that to me at least 100 times. You did it in this very thread. Anyone can see for themselves.
Who the hell do you think you are to demand anything from DRJ or anyone else, after you’ve lied your ass off to all of us? DRJ nailed you on that border patrol shooting. You were completely humiliated, and I was sure you’d never come back. But you did, and began interrogating her. LOL.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:18 amHey, Eric? That wasn’t what happened, and you know it. You accused her of attacking your family. But you know what? Patterico thinks very highly of DRJ. You go right ahead misrepresenting her. And several of us will send him copies of your next set of lies.
Seriously, dude. Do it. You’ll get your butt banned. And many of us would love it.
Or you could go away for a week or so. People would love that too.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:19 amHe calls VECO corrupt but yet gets all up in palin’s grill for raising their taxes what’s up with dat?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:20 amThis is the 563218952355322562255632nd iteration of this copypasta idiocy from the deep sands. One might think his inability to count joooooooooos might keep him from trying to display his dishonesty anmd abject stupidity again and again and again and again and again and again, but one might be wrong. It is a compulsion. After the joooooooooo counting project, we had the christian in UAE counting project. Another epic fail. Throw in the Scozzafava is the true conservative, palin cost Team R the Senate, DEATH THREATS from rocks that could not hurt a border agent, and other various and sundry imagining and public hallucinations on epwj’s behalf, it is a wonder that he is allowed anywhere near forks and sppons without protective headgear.
JD (d48c3b) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:21 ambannings are very divisive I don’t think Sarah Palin would want anyone to be banned
not the Sarah Palin I know anyways
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:21 amDustin
It all comes down to this
Statements were made that oil companies are bribing Alaskan Legislatures for oil leases
Is… this…. a… true….. statement….?
Or is this a political slogan that is way past its expiry date?
Did Palin raise taxes…….
Did the Democrat delegation pass it with their full support which was needed because – Republicans were Opposed to it?
Drama?
Give me a break – just asking why
its real apparent to people that those who cant answer these simple freakin questions are the one’s desperately trying to quash conversation
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:23 amC’mon, Mr. Feet. You support people who call Patterico a “crotchsniffer,” remember?
I think it is because you share nishi’s weird syntax issues, but that’s me.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:24 amThe internet actually is not serious business. There will always be concern trolls and mobies who try to stir up trouble by claiming they have found some conservative is somehow impure.
That is something we have to learn to filter. You can’t hope to ban it away. Trash is trash.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:25 amdohbiden
Veco is a construction company they dont drill, pump refine, ship and sell petroleum products
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:25 amDustin, it is like the “bad money drives out good money” rule from economics. Gresham’s Law, I think it is.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:26 amSo let me get this straight you dumbass you support Scuzzyflava and get up all in palin’s grill for raising taxes?
There is a word for that.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:27 amDustin
How do you “save more money” by raising taxes?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:28 amnishi is very America like the glarey red rampart and the amber grainy waves and sure sometimes she can be caustic and sometimes she can dare much but ain’t that America home of the free
yup
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:28 amDohbiden
Please show the quote where I supported DeeDee?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:29 am“are winding back her excessive spending programs as unsustainable and anti investment”
EPWJ – I have never seen you produce any support for this contention of yours. Please produce some.
Please produce some support for your contention that Veco is a construction company and unrelated to the oil industry.
Please specify the major items on which Palin increased spending once she took office. I slways love how you dodge the nitty gritty part of this discussion or flee the thread rather than discuss what she actually did because it does not fit the tax and spend liberal meme you have constructed for her.
“How does increasing taxes reduce revenue and the spending and size of government?” – Can you point out one commenter beside yourself who has made this claim. Please describe what happened to the Alaska Permanent Fund during Palin’s time as governor. How do Alaska’s debt ratings compare to other states. Did oil industry employment increase under Palin.
How much money have you wasted on international investment seminars?
Do you suffer from ADD? I spank your butt every time you raise your ridiculous talking points about Palin, leave huge mushroom bruises all over your face, yet you return with the same bull dookey time after time. You are just not right in the head.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:32 amCushing’s syndrome, Parkinson’s disease, Hodgkin’s lymphoma, Whipple’s disease, and many more, all named after their discoverers, and all with apostrophes. QED.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:33 amBtw, I’m sure this got as much attention, with the dismissal of one of the ethics complaints against
O’Donnell, right;
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110609/NEWS/110609041/Joe-Biden-donor-Tigani-pleads-guilty-illegal-campaign-contributions-tax-evasion
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:34 amAh, daley. Good to see you. I’m still in awe of the Christians outnumbering Muslims in the UAE business. I like how you just stick to the topic at hand with this nutjob.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:34 amThose quotes are a lie. I never said that. And it’s a lie backing a dishonest question.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:36 am+1
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:37 am“nishi is very America like the glarey red rampart and the amber grainy waves”
Mr. Feets – Nishi’s brains circuits are permanently misfiring. She returns to her permanent favorite comfortable memes. Anthony Weiner is transmitting his junk all around the country and her conclusion is that Republicans are making the 2012 election about jesuses and penises. Just like EPWJ, that grrl ain’t right.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:38 amMr. Feet, your answer reminds me of “Deep Thoughts” from the old SNL. Such statements were usually followed with “…and also, I’m drunk.”
But hey, you have fun defending that nishi. It will make you a lot of friends. But you will lose more punctuation, and even more coherency.
Happy cilantro!
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:38 amFrom : Sarah Palin [govpalin@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:32 PM
To: Meghan Stapleton
Cc: mike tibbles@gov.state .ak.us; tibbles@ alaska.net
Subject: Re: FW: McNeil story add
Thanks Meg.
The Game Board will be addressing the issue, evidently.
I am a hunter. I grew up hunting – some of my best memories growing up are of hunting with my dad to help feel our freezer… I want Alaskans to have access to wildlife…
BUT – he’s asking if I support hunting the bears in the sanctuary? No, I don’t… I don’t know any Alaskans who do support hunting the McNeil bears that frequent the viewing area. Many Alaskan and Outside visitors view these animals on the McNeil river, within the sanctuary, and, as my parents have reported back after their viewing trip, it’s a once-in-a-lifetime experience to see such beauty on that river.
Alaska is a huge state. There are many, many areas that should be supported for access to wildlife resources… who’s pushing for the hunt at McNeil?
(I don’t know who’s pushing the issue unless it’s a few guides who take Outside hunters who pay thousands and thousands of dollars to hunt near the area because it may be an easy hunt.)
We need to find out what exactly the proposal is that is (or will be) in front of the Game Board, as the issue comes across sounding like it’s “do you support killing bears in the sanctuary or
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:38 amnot?”, but there usually is more to the issue than a strong opponent (like Bill S.) leads one to believe. Knowing what I know of the issue thus far – I don’t support hunting the bears that
are in the sanctuary
Good point Mr. Milhouse. I should not have gone down that isle.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:38 amhttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/06/breaking-thatcher-foundation-responds-to-palin-snubbing-reports-saying-the-guardian-has-minimal-credibility/
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:40 amHer typos often are homonyms. Check Ian’s 103. Did Palin misspell fill? No… her accent makes it sound like “feel”.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:42 am“I should not have gone down that isle.”
Or peeked down it.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:43 amright-o
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:44 amOh, I’m saying she dictates into a computer.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:44 am“Did Palin misspell fill? No… her accent makes it sound like “feel”.”
Great Band Name – Phil Dirt and the Dozers.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:44 ammy typos are also often homonyms me and Sarah have this in common plus we both like babies and good mexican food
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:46 amWell, if you’re busy, you might just type the message into outlook using speech recognition. That explains some of her typos, though some of them appear to be plain mistakes.
This was informal stuff. I do like that it’s coming out. I wish this kind of scrutiny had gone into Obama in 2008. I wish it would go into Gov Patrick or some others.
Oh the other hand, we might not want to kneecap informal conversations. Palin relied on emails like this to relate to her people and run the state’s business. It would suck to walk on eggshells all the time. What is the ultimate goal? Long term, I think grammar nazi-ing this stuff is unreasonable.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:50 amJust a reminder, for those who’ve forgotten: “Working Families Party” is simply the name used by the ACORN in New York state. Like ACORN, it’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of the SEIU.
In NY the same candidate can be endorsed by multiple parties, and thus appear on the ballot multiple times. SEIU/ACORN set up the WFP, endorsed the Democrat candidate for governor, and that candidate got 50K votes on the WFP line; that gives them an automatic place on every ballot in the state for the next four years, which they can use to reward those Ds who do their bidding and punish those who don’t.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:51 amFor a Conservative to sit down for an interview with the Guardian would be like agreeing to a diner date with Hannibal Lecter.
ropelight (b4b00f) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:52 amWhere did EPWJ go?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:52 amHow does one act all flip-floppy and then acts like he never had a contrary opinion?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:53 amSo Dustin, are you saying that Palin lowered Taxes?
Or are you saying she had the moral right to raise taxes?
Or are you saying nothing happened?
And then why did the Alaskan TEA Party Conservatives in the house lead the effort and overturned her taxes?
Against 100% Democrat opposition?
Is this more of my “lying”?
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:58 amOverturned in the House, Democrats in the State Senate used a procedure to run the clock out this year but Parnel (sarah’s running mate) is putting it right up to the front the next year (bill have a longer legislative lfe in Alaska than the normal session)
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:00 amBasically, EPWJ could very well just be lying. His testimony means nothing. He could tell me the sky is blue and I’d need a good link.
Remember how he said he saw that video of the border patrol shooting, and then lied for hours about what he saw, and then they posted the video, and he was just wrong. He’s a compulsive liar. He can’t help it. His claims about Palin are lies. If you prove it, he’ll ask you to explain your quote, only it’s something you never said.
He’s a compulsive and angry liar. He knows the story of this thread actually makes Palin look great, and his goal is simply to derail the discussion.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:03 amYes.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:04 amDaley,
I’m in and out today back at the lakehouse after 6 freakin years in Arabia, looking foward to spending more time in America
Kids are in the pool now and the horses are coming back from the stables
Look bash away,
Palin raised taxes and spending, many are saying she had a legit reason for it, that evil big oil forced her too – whatever
I know, I wasnt the best student, all those international seminars have ruined what few braincells were left, I am a whatever nozzzle of the month
yada yada yada
Is Palin going to raise taxes on the wealthy for the people of America like she did on the Wealthy Oil companies in alaska
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:05 amDamn. It’s been several hours now, EPWJ. Not a single person believes you.
But you didn’t come here to persuade anyone. You don’t want us thinking about this topic. I haven’t seen a single comment by you that relates to it.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:05 amSure you were. You probably have never left mom’s basement.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:06 amdustin
one day you will grow to love me, but I am thinking this week maay not be it
be safe
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:06 amI love all God’s creatures, including poo flinging crack addled spider monkeys whose idea of intelligence is creating chaos.
But I call a spade a spade.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:07 amBTW, feets, I went shopping yesterday and found those Shibolim rice chips at $1.49 each, so I bought five.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:08 amFrom: gov.sarah@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:24 AM
To: Rehfeld; Karen J (GOV); Rutherford; Marty K (DNR)
Cc: Goode; Kelly C (GOV); Nizich; Michael A (GOV); Perry; Kristina Y (GOV)
Subject: Approp
Forgot to ask yesterday – is the approp bill REQUIRED at this time, early in sp session? Recognizing we are estimating costs and what it is the gasline will need (trained workforce, infrastructure, etc) are we premature on any line items in the bill but the actual AGIA matching certification funds?
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ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:11 amIts been obvious that EPWJ’s dog was shot by Palin for a long time now. That the particular offense was undermining the corrupt relationship between EPWJ’s industry and Alaskan legislators seems pretty clear.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:12 amI would bet my life Obama has never instigated a conversation like this. He never sees details and never sees the big picture.
He talks about hope and change and speed bumps on the road to recovery, but he has no idea what any of that really means, and couldn’t care less.
Palin asks questions to learn about issues and administrate correctly. What a tragedy she was lawfared out of office. I can understand why some people refuse to let the creeps who did that win, because Palin is a rare politician.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:14 amYEP.
EPWJ is a trashy little traitor, in other words. His conservatism goes only as far as his own selfish interests. He’ll lie for days if you threaten crony capitalism, and yet he’s a purist for anyone he doesn’t like.
But I welcome a discussion of this. This is a disease in the GOP. Some of us do not care about the big picture like Palin does. Without a less cynical GOP, I don’t think we have a chance, long term, of fixing the country.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:16 amHe is like Debbie Schlussel who has thrown Michelle Malkin,Pamela Geller and Everyone on the right under her bus.
BTTW i’am just waiting for Debbie Schlussel to apologize to Dumbshat Rachel Marsden and count her as her new BFF.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:31 amthat’s value Mr. Milhouse! My new thing is Anthony’s Cut Fideo. It cooks in like literally two minutes and bam you’re ready to add your steamed vegetables and cilantro and whatever and for a sauce to mix in I just whisk up a cup of low fat sour cream with one of those little cans of jalapeno-tomato sauce and a healthy amount of garlic powder and finely diced jalapenos and onions and maybe a dash of sriracha.
Very simple and healthy and tasty and fast.
When I found them they were 99 cents a package, which was definitely value. When I went back for more they were $1.89, which is not value exactly, but ok to pick up a couple.
New Girl here at work is gonna make me the traditional fideo this week. This involves frying the pasta in probably canola oil before you cook it – me I would use olive I think. Then what happens after that is very variable cause traditional fideo is one of those dishes where everyone has their own interpretation, so I’m excited to try NG’s just so I know what kind of neighborhood it’s supposed to be in.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:32 amWhat seems clear is she prepares, what she doesn’t know, he asks questions about, relevant questions
From: “Stapleton, Meghan N (DNR)”
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:30:16
To: ExternalEmailgsp
Cc:”Gibson, Kurtis K (DNR)” ,”Leighow, Sharon W (GOV)”
,”Perry, Kristina Y (GOV)” ,”Stapleton,
Meghan N (DNR)”
Subject; Talking Points for National Interviews
Governor,
From the oil and gas perspective, attached are the talking points for your three national interviews this week.
As I am sure others are working on, all three may ask a range of questions from abortion to.guns and oil. The attached only discusses oil and gas issues.
Glenn Beck (CNN) probably has the greatest chance of launching into numerous issues. He loves to make fun of everyone and is incredibly good natured. You should laugh a lot with him. He has a couple children and recently adopted one, if not two, children. Glenn is pro-drilling, pro-oil. You both should see eye-to-eye other than he doesn’t feel people should always pick on the oil companies.
Larry Kudlow (pronounced KUDD-low) is with CNBC and Kudlow & Company. His energy mantra is, “Drill. Drill. Drill.” and doesn’t understand why the Presidential candidates don’t get it. On Monday, CNBC is launching a full-day show re: historical meetings with Saudi Arabia tomorrow. In my opinion, your interview with Kudlow will be all oil and gas.
Sharon can shed further light once they provide more hints. Again, he should be a
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:46 amfriendly, but he is all about the numbers and firing questions and shouting. You’ll see we have a section in the attached that provides a number of specifics for you re: Alaska’s oil and gas reserves, etc.
I don’t care what anybody says… That tard-baby is CREEPY!!!!! CREEEEEEEEPY!!!!! If that isn’t a poster child for abortion, I don’t know what is.
Jim (245292) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:57 amGo f@ck yourself, “jim”
JD (b98cae) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:02 pmC’mon…the “lakehouse” and “stables” stuff is funny.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:05 pmI think the kid is cute. And loving. What’s creepy about that? Weiner’s pretty creepy. Obama having his child baptised in the CIA invented AIDS cult is creepy. Jim’s hatred and execution wishes of a 3 year old is creepy.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:10 pmOne of our rabid cowardly midget racist hilljack sock puppeteer has commented under the name “Jim” amongst 837284 other names, including gender bending women’s names.
JD (aae929) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:28 pmEricPWasswipe to blame Palin’s tarded baby for gorebull warming.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:32 pm“Is Palin going to raise taxes on the wealthy for the people of America like she did on the Wealthy Oil companies in alaska”
EPWJ – Based on your view of Palin, you should be able to answer that question yourself, don’t you think? Start with the question does the Constitution of the United States say the wealth of the people belong to the government the way the Alaskan Constitution says its natural resources belong to the Alaskan people. That should lead any reasonable person to the correct answer.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:36 pmComment by Jim — 6/13/2011 @ 11:57 am
Typical liberal.
malclave (4f3ec1) — 6/13/2011 @ 12:59 pmWhy don’t the wealthy left give their money to Public Schools?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 1:28 pmThe kind of morons who like to always use capital letters at the beginning of sentences.
Maybe your feet are happy because you don’t put any pressure on them because you get around by bouncing up and down on your head.
L.N. Smithee (da99e7) — 6/13/2011 @ 1:42 pmFrom: gov . sarah@yahoo.com [mailto : gov.sarah @yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 04 , 2008 8:15 AM
To: Leighow, Sharon W (GOV ); Hughes, Rosanne D (GOV ); Balash, Joseph R (GOV)
Subject: Obama
He gave a great speech this morn in Michigan – mentioned Alaska. Stole our Energy Rebate $1000 check idea, stole our TC-Alaska gasline talking points , etc. So …. we need to take advantage of this a write a statement saying he ‘ s right on . .( Glad he’s flipflopping on OCS, too.)
Joe- could you help crank this quick statement out as our “reaction” to some of Obama’s good points this morning?
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Posted by: Extraneus | June 13, 2011
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 1:55 pmWill Dede Scozzafarker run for president in 2016 and raise our taxes???
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 1:55 pmian, keep those emails coming.
It’s clear Palin was just sending out ideas quickly. I understand why she wouldn’t bother proofing them for public consumption, and I think they really burst a lot of the impressions of her as something less than a serious leader.
If Obama had written this stuff, the MSM would say it’s a sign he’s an amazing nuts and bolts executive.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 1:59 pmMost of this, has been ‘unexpectedly’ untouched by
the media accounts, I know you’re surprised as much
as I am:
From: Galvin,. Patrick S (DOR)
To: Palin, Sarah (GOV sponsored); Irwin, Tom E (DNR); Rutherford, Marty K (DNR); Balash, Joseph R (GOV)
Sent: Mon Sep.15 20:55:38 2008
Subject: RE: Checkin in
It’s great to hear from you! There are very few anti’s griping within Alaska, but the national media is getting their first taste of AGIA and they WANT it to be wrong somehow. First, the New York Times wrote that the gasline is no sure thing, quoting Bert and Lyda as recent converts against it (“We’re shocked that TC demands $500 million from the state!”), acting as if you had said the gas was practically flowing right now. Recently, we hear that a Newsweek reporter wants to “blow the lid” off the real story that everybody knows we’ll never get through Canada, and AGIA was all a ruse to get you to the White
House.
We’ll continue to spread the truth, and explain the ongoing battle with the Producers.
We know you’re letting people around the country know about what Alaska has to offer.
Thank you.
-Pat
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:05 pmCreepy?
I believe that Barack Omussolini having his kids baptised in a church whose leader believes the CIA invented crack at the behest of their white masters is creepy Jimshitz.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:07 pmHow many people out there say stuff like that about Palin’s family? They all get it. Even her son, the soldier, got a dose.
Isn’t it remarkable she hasn’t completely freaked out? I would. I guess troopergate shows she’s been dealing with low blows and trash for a long time, without really missing a beat. She seems to be able to compartmentalize, give her subordinates a clear task and a little freedom to figure out how to do it, and also ensure they know she appreciates them.
Honestly, I think she’d be a very solid president, and the real reason the left hates her is because she isn’t the kind of person to just give lip service to reform. Public unions, pork, fraud, welfare state… she would clean up. The left is actually afraid of the kind of overhaul a person with no hope of impressing the MSM might perform.
The right is largely afraid that the left->low info middle hates her too much, and that means she is unelectable.
that and a few people claim to be conservatives while actually hating Palin’s views and morality, which I think is a very clear indicator they are not actually conservative.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:11 pmI have never understood the whole thing with her baby…it is not political. I have known people on both sides of the aisle who had special needs children they loved. The very fact that Trig is talked about in terms of his mother’s politics seems odd to me.
And I read a lot of what Ziegler said, he is right. I know her people do not want to hear it, but the man is right and he is no Palin hater. I honestly do not think Palin can win. And it is not all the fault of the media..even though they are snots. It is also because she quit. A lot of people just will not be able to get past that.
Terrye (84455a) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:18 pmhttp://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100092054/margaret-thatcher-did-not-%25E2%2580%2598snub%25E2%2580%2599-sarah-palin-the-truth-about-the-iron-lady-and-the-former-governor-of-alaska/
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:18 pmThis assumes her resignation wasn’t partly a problem of unfair media coverage. In fact, it was a tremendous and unreported injustice. Had this been done to a democrat, the media would have cried loudly until it was stopped.
She resigned because she had no choice. Not because of anything wrong that she did. That’s just a fact.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:22 pmThough terrye’s right that it’s going to be practically impossible to get the voters over that issue. It’s too simple to bash her as ‘quitter’ and force someone to explain the issue.
Most people will just hear ‘quitter’ and assume Palin isn’t a fighter. As LBJ noted, it’s enough to force your opponent to deny something ugly. The truth is not as important.
Obama will plaster this country with “quitter” under her image. If this country was greater, that would backfire, but it isn’t.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:24 pmZiegler is a backstabbing idiot.
Comment by DohBiden — 6/13/2011 @ 8:27 am
Maybe he was just giving his honest opinion. And he was not stabbing Palin in the back..it is not back stabbing to give an honest assessment. It is obvious that he still has much regard for her, he just does not think she can win.
Terrye (84455a) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:25 pmWell it’s not just media coverage, but the deliberate abuse of the ethics code, that was an opportunity cost in terms of money wasted, to her
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:26 pmstate, and to her family, as well as the processing
of bogus ethics complaints,
The last straw, was probably Ziegler collaborating
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:28 pmwith the “E True Hollywood’ people, yes that was going to work out well.
And it is not all the fault of the media..even though they are snots. It is also because she quit.
This assumes her resignation wasn’t partly a problem of unfair media coverage. In fact, it was a tremendous and unreported injustice. Had this been done to a democrat, the media would have cried loudly until it was stopped.
She resigned because she had no choice. Not because of anything wrong that she did. That’s just a fact.
Comment by Dustin — 6/13/2011 @ 2:22 pm
Dustin, most people will never see it that way. I think she did what was best for her family, I understand why she did what she did, but most people are just going to say that she gave up, that she could not take it..that she broke under pressure and the White House is a lot more pressure. You can preach to the choir and talk about the nasty people harassing her with bogus lawsuits…but all most people see are the $100,000 speaking fees for engagements, the reality TV shows, the book tours, the bus tours, the documentary, the 1.7 million dollar home in Arizona. They think she quit and cashed in.
Terrye (84455a) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:28 pmAce has an interesting look at the electability question
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/317534.php
a sample
vor2 (c1bbac) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:29 pmTrue, it’s probably unfair for me to lay that completely at the feet of the MSM, but I do think had they done their jobs, that campaign would have played out differently. They would cover the issue in the most aggressive manner. ‘Palin charged with X’ and then mutedly announce she was cleared below a headline about the next charge ‘Palin charged with Y’.
And that was the fuel for the fire. That’s what Obama’s staffers filed those lawsuits to get… a constant media message about Palin’s corruption. Sure, there was the additional hardball benefit that Alaska’s state suffered, but Palin denied them this benefit.
In fact, she didn’t really quit. She took a bullet to help her state and her family. It blows my freaking mind that people think she did this for personal gain. Palin would obviously be better off had this lawfare never occurred and she concluded her term. She worked very hard to get where she was, and gave it up in a manner decidedly different from lower politicians like Weiner, who wouldn’t give up power unless you clawed it from him.
Still, Terrye’s right. It’s a political liability. I can explain it 10000000 times, but 52% of the public will hear ‘quitter’ and laugh and ignore me.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:30 pmvor2, I think you’re right.
A lot of Palin’s fans just don’t care. And one reason is that they know, for sure, that Palin is the real deal. And they are right.
So they just don’t care anymore about some of the arguments they are hearing about electability. they refuse to bet on Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels (a real shame) because they are convinced they can trust Sarah Palin. They know they are intense enough to push Palin into the nomination, and believe that America will be forced to reconsider Palin at that point.
I think there’s merit to that argument, but it underestimates Obama’s ability to be a fraud or a hardball campaigner. And the truth is that this isn’t about Sarah Palin, but about beating Obama, yet many of them actually do think it’s about vindicating Palin and winning a culture war about her.
It would be better for Palin to beat Obama than for many of the other contenders, but I don’t think she can.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:34 pmGotta love it Jim believes in aborting disabled babies but they are outraged whenever they are exposed as eugenics fans 🙄
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:35 pmPlus our resident Palin bashing idiot, EPWJ, blames Bristol’s pregnancy on Sarah. He would have been a 24/7 chastity preservation parent or something. Very creepy. Go figure.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:35 pma 1.7 million dollar home in Arizona is like a 4 or 5 million dollar home in Los Angeles and even then in Arizona you could have a pretty pretty pony running about cause you’d get so much more land for your money
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:36 pm“Gotta love it Jim believes in aborting disabled babies but they are outraged whenever they are exposed as eugenics fans”
Plus Jim opposes the death penalty!!!!!!!11ty!!!!!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:37 pmPalin’s earned a little compensation. I hope Trig loves that pool and the nice huge home that creepy nutcases can’t peer into so easily.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:39 pmIn an attempt to prove that Sarah Palin was the bimbo they thought she was, the lamestreamers ended up proving they were all wrong about her from the very beginning. (New on my blog, I have a long-distance dedication to the MSM from Blondie’s Debbie Harry). I would be more elated about that if not for the fact that I must concur with John Ziegler, and think she cannot be elected in 2012.
Why not? She’s not verbally ready for the slings and arrows that come along with the job. It may be one thing to hold the press at arm’s length as a pundit, but an executive can’t function like that. What convinced me that this is not yet her time (if that time ever comes) was the way that in the midst of firing back against falsehoods and rumors of a personal nature, she could not concisely retort about the circumstances of her resignation. The media template among her detractors left and right is that she dumped being Governor to make more money as a political celebrity. Nonsense — she resigned because not only were the constant phony ethics complaints filed against her for bogus reasons threatening to personally bankrupt her family (she had to pay out-of-pocket for counsel regardless of the frivolity of the complaints), they were paralyzing state business. It was a situation unique to Alaska, a side effect of the same drive to clean up state government that swept Palin into office. Her dedicated haters could never pull that trick if she was in the White House. Somebody should have been able to put that into an easily digestible sound bite and repeated it ad nauseam until people got it.
I believe that Palin is of all the candidates currently under consideration the only one who would do what is needed to right the ship of state. But IMHO the nation is at a tipping point, and the only choice may be not Anybody But Obama, but Anybody Who Can Beat Obama. We saw how George W. Bush chose to use his political capital in his second term; we almost got Supreme Court Justice Harriet “Meals on Wheels” Miers. The problem is that we’ve been faced with “anybody but (fill-in your favorite Democrat cryptosocialist)” before, but electing that person never guarantees you will get a competent conservative in the Reagan mode. The more I observe the Republican party since Reagan left in January 1993, the more I feel like he was an anomaly — remember, to defeat Carter in 1980, the GOP wanted to drag Gerald Ford back into the game (thank goodness Betty needed him so badly). Reagan was thought to be too right-wing for America in 1976, but out of necessity, was embraced for what was thought to be a close election. It wasn’t. And he was reelected in a landslide four years later. But once he left the Oval Office for the last time, having improved the nation’s economy and having helped weaken the Soviet empire so much that it collapsed months into George H.W. Bush’s term, it seems like the GOP hierarchy wiped its brow and said, “Whew! Glad that moment’s passed. Now, let’s get back to business as usual, and be Democrat Party Lite again!”
L.N. Smithee (da99e7) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:39 pm“a 1.7 million dollar home in Arizona is like a 4 or 5 million dollar home in Los Angeles”
and more like a $500,000 house in flyover country. You guys are so screwed.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:40 pmThat reminds me of those that criticized Bush, but not supporting hate crime laws, in the Byrd case, and ignored that they were getting much stiffer
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:40 pmsentences, regardless.
Sarah just does not have the fire in her belly what actor Fred Thompson had.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:43 pmI admit to liking Fred. But I also think anyone supporting him has to recognize that Palin is more qualified by about 10000000X. No slur on Fred for this fact.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:48 pmThat was Carl Cameron, and Politic’s contribution to the debate, but they were all in with the dynamic McCain candidacy, right.
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:48 pmyes I went to see a 3-bedroom condo in my hood the other day and they wanted $750k for it and you could tell it was still one of those places where you’d always be wanting an extra room
this was on the top floor and so there was a communal space up there with fake grass and lawn furniture where you could… I dunno have the goddamn queen over for ramen noodles or whatever
But all in all it wasn’t very compelling.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:49 pmIn fact, she didn’t really quit. She took a bullet to help her state and her family. It blows my freaking mind that people think she did this for personal gain. Palin would obviously be better off had this lawfare never occurred and she concluded her term. She worked very hard to get where she was, and gave it up in a manner decidedly different from lower politicians like Weiner, who wouldn’t give up power unless you clawed it from him.
Still, Terrye’s right. It’s a political liability. I can explain it 10000000 times, but 52% of the public will hear ‘quitter’ and laugh and ignore me.
Comment by Dustin — 6/13/2011 @ 2:30 pm
I think one reason people feel that way, is that Palin herself did not really explain it all that well. I was watching TV when she gave that short little speech saying she would leave. It was strange, it was redundant, it did not explain anything. I think that a lot of people feel that if Palin were really run out of office by totally bogus ethical complaints, that there should have been some recourse for her to take. And she did not take it..she just left and started this new venture and that was what people saw.
Remember that Governor Sanford with the girlfriend? They tried everything to get rid of that guy. Did he quit? No. Rangel..did he quit? No. Clinton? Did he quit? No..and they had all done things that they really should not have done and yet they hung in there. When Palin quit, a lot of people thought she was either weak or that there was something she was trying to hide. That is just how people look at it. And the media played into it, but she did not help herself much there either. She just decided she had enough of it. I don’t blame her, but it left a mark.
Terrye (84455a) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:50 pmFred is old and useless now not unlike Meghan’s daddy and everyone what was ever in Jefferson Airplane
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:51 pmI’ve heard her explain it very well, but
There’s your problem
She wrote a book that explains it perfectly well. She bypassed the MSM and their coverage with facebook, a PAC, books, etc. If you listen to her, she’s explained this situation in crystal clarity.
I wonder how well that’s working. I think she did give up for a while, and I don’t hold that against her. She’s got more important things, like her family, and I’m not sure they are 100% on board with her running for office. Once it’s clear she is running, I will hold her to your standard of somehow overcoming this quitter meme. That’s truly essential to her chances, but let’s wait until she’s running.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:53 pmI don’t see any reason to think she’s running really
She’s done precious little to prepare herself for a campaign, and there’s no reason to think her bffs at Fox wouldn’t turn around and treat her like a for reals candidate the day she announced and every day thereafter… and those questions are hard when they do that.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:59 pmBut then, there’s the other thing Palin can do. Sure, she needs to overcome the quitter issue, but one way politicians deal with mudslinging is to sling mud.
Imagine a defensive Palin bashing the bajesus out of Obama. Harshly. He would be hard pressed not to respond with something very stupid. I mean, he’s not well spoken. And he’s got a terrible record. Corruption, wars without congressional approval, shovel ready jobs for half a billion… no wait, half a trillion.
The right opponent to Obama will be relentless. The voters will hear ‘quitter’ and then hear all about Obama’s record.
Frankly, I think Mitt Romney would be a better man for that job. He’s pretty harsh too. But I just can’t like that guy. Pawlenty? Maybe. Perry? Maybe.
But if Palin is the nominee (and she will be if she wants to be, mark my words), then that’s how she’ll have to play it.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 2:59 pmI wish she’d run for Senator. She’d make a splendid one.
However, all those op eds and facebook posts were covering all the national issues. And reading these emails show she’s actually a skilled executive to begin with. This seems very very very light considering the gravity of the White House. It’s not sufficient preparation.
But beggars can’t be choosers. The hard truth is that we’re picking between T Paw, Perry, and Romney. No perfect choices.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:02 pmhttp://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/13/soooo-funny-obama-jokes-about-shovel-ready-projects/
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:05 pmhad she quit and announced she was running for Senate I would have been her #1 fan
it’s so sad to think of what might have been
alas that ship has sailed and the sailors say Sarah? She’s a fine girl – what a good senator she would be – but in her heart the true love for this lady is cable t.v. I think
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:10 pm“I think one reason people feel that way, is that Palin herself did not really explain it all that well”
I had no problem with her explanation. Plus if one had followed the baseless and ridiculous ethics complaints against her you would have been tempted to take up arms against the liberal slime instigating them.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:11 pmvote for Sarah she promises she’ll like totally serve a full term and everything probably but also she might could go rogue and explore lucrative cable tv offers
That’s just how she rolls.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:28 pmWhile I confess that I’m of the generation that watched Bill Clinton playing mediocre tenor sax on Arsenio and heard MTV asking “boxers or briefs” I think that having a reality show kind of rules you out as presidential material.
carlitos (25ee92) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:35 pmI think that having a reality show kind of rules you out as presidential material.
and what is accomplished by an effort to convince scads and scads of putatively America-loving Team R voters that it shouldn’t?
Nothing good, my friend.
Nothing good.
happyfeet (a55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:40 pmThe hard truth is that we’re picking between T Paw, Perry, and Romney. No perfect choices.
I’d flush any of them for Sarah. I’d flush Romney for anybody not worshiping in the Church of Al Gore.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:40 pmRomney seems to think Fat Albert is one of the latter day saints.
papertiger (e55ba0) — 6/13/2011 @ 3:42 pm“and what is accomplished by an effort to convince […]”
That’s a good point. I’m not sure others follow you, but yes, expecting more, not less, is the lesson America should learn from Obama’s failures.
But again, beggars can’t be choosers, so we’ll see what’s what when the field is set. I’m more than a little annoyed we have debates before Halloween.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:08 pmShe wrote a book that explains it perfectly well. She bypassed the MSM and their coverage with facebook, a PAC, books, etc. If you listen to her, she’s explained this situation in crystal clarity.
I wonder how well that’s working. I think she did give up for a while, and I don’t hold that against her. She’s got more important things, like her family, and I’m not sure they are 100% on board with her running for office. Once it’s clear she is running, I will hold her to your standard of somehow overcoming this quitter meme. That’s truly essential to her chances, but let’s wait until she’s running.
Comment by Dustin — 6/13/2011 @ 2:53 pm
Dustin, I have her on facebook myself. That does not change the fact that even with all of her access to people she did not explain the decision to leave in such a way that most people could understand it. The idea that people have to go out and get a book she wrote to understand why Palin quit her job and walked away from the oath she took when she won that election and took that job is just not realistic. She needs to be able to make people understand her reasoning without asking them to read a book she wrote.
Terrye (7379d2) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:34 pmI wish she’d run for Senator. She’d make a splendid one.
However, all those op eds and facebook posts were covering all the national issues. And reading these emails show she’s actually a skilled executive to begin with. This seems very very very light considering the gravity of the White House. It’s not sufficient preparation.
But beggars can’t be choosers. The hard truth is that we’re picking between T Paw, Perry, and Romney. No perfect choices.
Comment by Dustin — 6/13/2011 @ 3:02 pm
If she had run for Senate instead of Miller and had stuck with it for a term, it would have helped her overcome that quitter thing..I agree.
Terrye (7379d2) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:36 pmIf you had to read her book to find out why she resigned, then you were not paying attention very well.
JD (318f81) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:39 pmI’d flush any of them for Sarah. I’d flush Romney for anybody not worshiping in the Church of Al Gore.
Comment by papertiger — 6/13/2011 @ 3:40 pm
This was one of the reasons I got so irritated with people like Rush Limbaugh for going after Mitch Daniels and calling him a RINO and an establishment toady and all that crap, Daniels actually said that Waxman Markey was economic imperialism. He did not mince words when it came to issues like that…but did conservatives embrace him and support him running? Nooooo. I know he said he did not want to run because of his wife, but I also think the Rino hunters had something to do with it.
Terrye (7379d2) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:41 pmIf you had to read her book to find out why she resigned, then you were not paying attention very well.
Comment by JD — 6/13/2011 @ 4:39 pm
If you listen to the speech she gave, she mentioned Trig and the mean things people had said about him. She did not go into any real detail about the lawsuits etc. I think that was her opportunity to tell a national audience in her own words why she was leaving. She just did not do a very good job of explaining herself..and saying it was because people were mean to her and her family will not make the majority of people think she has what it takes to be president…even if they believe her.
Terrye (7379d2) — 6/13/2011 @ 4:43 pmUm, why?
Also, what reality show? Sarah Palin’s America was a travelogue, just like Michael Palin’s one and a million others; it’s a form that goes back (according to Wikipedia) to 1893. Reality shows are unscripted, but not every unscripted TV show is a reality show. There was certainly nothing undignified about Sarah Palin’s America.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:26 pmUm, why?
Also, what reality show? Sarah Palin’s Alaska was a travelogue, just like Michael Palin’s one and a million others; it’s a form that goes back (according to Wikipedia) to 1893. Reality shows are unscripted, but not every unscripted TV show is a reality show. There was certainly nothing undignified about Sarah Palin’s Alaska.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:27 pmOops, please ignore #193
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:29 pmOh my god she is a quitter!!Eleventyone!!
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:32 pmAgreed. And frankly, I think she explained it well without that book. but for all its overflowery language, I thought it was a great book, and worth reading if you’re interested in this kind of stuff.
And it explains it damn well. Enough to where you’re mad if someone calls her a quitter.
She may not be presidential caliber… not my place to tell anyone she is, but she got a raw deal.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:36 pmActually her resignation speech didn’t explain anything about the circumstances; I think it was because she didn’t want to come across as a complainer. So she just said that she’d decided not to run for a second term, and since that was so she didn’t see the point in sticking around as an ineffective lame duck just to enjoy the perks of office, or like some clapped-out worker counting the days to retirement. She gave a few negative examples of people whose model she didn’t want to follow. It seemed fair enough an explanation without going into all the bad stuff, and she must have thought people would accept it. If you’re not being effective at a job, why shouldn’t you leave?
But apparently it wasn’t enough, so in her book she gave the gory details, about how not only was she being driven into bankruptcy but so was her staff, and how both she and her staff had no time to do the job of governing, at a time when the state desperately needed a full-time governor. So instead of bitterly clinging to power, like almost any politician we can think of would do, she put the state ahead and quit.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:38 pmI leave the comments for a couple of months and I see nothing’s changed, which tells me I made a good decision. Fortunately I can still read Patterico’s excellent posts.
PS — Eric #77.
DRJ (fdd243) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:40 pmWhy would she promise any such thing? And why would you expect her to? If circumstances arose where the nation would be best served by her vice president taking over, I hope that she (unlike almost any other contender) would have the courage to resign; her previous resignation is what gives me that hope.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:41 pmThere was certainly nothing undignified about Sarah Palin’s Alaska.
omg I can’t believe you’re defending her
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:41 pmYes. I don’t think Terrye means to call that the end all be all of Palin’s defense, and is saying Palin should have explained it at that point, or should have explained it on TV at that time somehow.
That’s a fair way to see it, though some will say she quit because she needed to survive and support her family, which I think is perfectly reasonable. People should be able to quit jobs in situations like that.
Regardless, ‘quitter’ is a huge political liability. It’s totally unfair, and totally true.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:42 pmI heart DRJ. Big time.
JD (318f81) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:43 pm🙁
Still, hope life’s good out in West Texas.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:43 pmComment by ian cormac — 6/13/2011 @ 2:18 pm
From what I understand of Lady Thatcher’s health, any attempt at meeting her would only be a photo op, and if Gov. Palin sought to meet her, then shame on Gov. Palin. [To be clear, I’m not sure who’s idea it was that Gov. Palin visit her. Who ever it was, should be ashamed of themselves.] There would be no words of wisdom, no blessing of the rising generation, and Lady Thatcher would just as likely mistake Gov. Palin for a visiting nurse as anything else–or maybe Nancy Reagan. It would be insulting to Lady Thatcher.
[If I’m sounding a little severe there, it’s because I’m living with someone who has reached a similar stage of Alzheimer’s, and only sporadically remembers I’m her son and no longer understands she’s living in her own home. So perhaps I’m being unduly sensitive.]
It is perhaps a little strange that the two icons of 1980s conservatism, Reagan and Thatcher, both have suffered the same fate at the end of their lives.
kishnevi (a6ffde) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:48 pmDaley,
Rightly so you mentioned the alaska constitution.
However, she still raised taxes – no one is questioning her absolute ability to ask the democrat delegation to not only craft the bill but to vote for it
But she RAISED taxes, and did her actions lead to less government spending, less waste, more job creation, more investment?
If you can say yes fine, then I and the WSJ, Cato institute, Heritage foundation, the Tax institute, the Oil and Gas Journal, the Sloan school at MIT we are all incorrect and have been doing all investment analysis wrong.
We are waiting to be corrected
Its a stretch to say putting a 93$ tax at a peak will lead companies to want to invest in Alaska with all its risks than Brazil, Oklahoma, Texas, heck even Louisiana
Oil companies dont have to drill baby drill if it leads to losses or not the best use of capital
EricPWjohnson (d84fb0) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:51 pmkishnevi, I don’t know that they made the request very publicly. I’m sure the reaction was too public, though.
If someone called you and asked if your relative was well enough to visit, it wouldn’t really be that bad.
But yes, that kind of photo op is completely pointless.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:52 pmYou voted for Fattyfava so please stop expecting to be taken seriously.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:52 pmSo instead of bitterly clinging to power, like almost any politician we can think of would do, she put the state ahead and quit.
I was about to say that she could have said something to that effect in her speech,but then realized that would make here sound like one of those many politicians who resign because they’ve been caught with their hand in the till, so on second thought it’s probably a good thing she didn’t try to explain it in her speech.
Comment by DRJ — 6/13/2011 @ 5:40 pm
kishnevi (a6ffde) — 6/13/2011 @ 5:55 pmQuadruple smiley cubed 🙂
No, Kish, the point is the Guardian lied, not that surprising as they were Soviet apologists back in the day, and supporters of Assange now.
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:01 pmI’ve been following headlines at the LAT, WaPo and NYT the past 4 days and Palin was always on the headline with Weinergate in a variety of places on the front page – each day passing though he dropped lower.
Ironically, the yesterday LAT had Palin’s email at the top of the page and Weinergate was relegated to a link.
They are so desperate to make something of these emails. I really hope they keep the Palin emails on the front page, because the longer they do, the more time people have to read them and discover there’s no dirt, and wonder why the heck they’re being showcased in the first place.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:04 pmDRJ
You are correct that BP and Exxon used Veco so did Palin as well – actually – we have to – this is a common problem in many states, many cases we have to award contracts to local and to minority and women owned firms as well, not the best firms just the most “deserving” firms
I’m still not aware of how a firm legislatively grandfathered in through illegal bribes to get contracts from major oil companies – is a benefit to major oil companies
And the Veco bribery was more about getting their foot in the 39 billion dollar pipeline construction contract door than it was about oil leases.
Veco was pushing illegally some legislators to put them on a preferred protected list in the legislation governing the Gas pipeline
Largest oil construction project in the world
The Oil companies would prefer to build it themselves and not have to use all the local boss hogs – saves money
Howeverm though the oil bribery has not netted any oil company execs nor did they “pay” bribes for leases or to lower taxes
EricPWjohnson (d84fb0) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:30 pmWhat the?
Did you just agree with DRJ?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:31 pmVeco, was the reason why the ethics code was put in,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:32 pmthe Corrupt Boys Club, the three state representatives that went to jail.
Hush, epwj. DRJ has more class, integrity, grey matter, and honesty in her fingernail clippings than you could ever dream of having. You should be embarrassed to speak to her sans apology for the lies and smears you have told about her. Now run along, count some joooooooos, make up some attacks on you and your family, and other such BS that you routinely toss out. But know that you are well and truly exposed for the dishonest serial asshat we have all known you to be.
JD (318f81) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:35 pmI’ve never read a commenter who writes in the e.e. cummings no-capitals style who wasn’t a worthless human being.
Brian (68dcfc) — 6/13/2011 @ 6:39 pmI seen whole entire cupcake recipes written without any capital letters but tell you what you follow along to the letter and you my friend will soon be enjoying a tasty cupcake
Life is good.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 6/13/2011 @ 7:06 pmFrom today’s LAT editorial,
By now, we lamestream-media bullies were expecting to have an arsenal of IEDs (Internet embarrassment devices) to hurl at our favorite target. But a surprising thing happened after the state of Alaska released more than 24,000 pages of Sarah Palin’s emails sent during her term as governor from 2006 to 2008: Like Al Capone’s vault, it turned out there was nothing there.
I suppose it’s something that they at least admit to Palin being their favorite target.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/13/2011 @ 7:09 pmWhat’s sad is that it’s not true there was nothing there.
There’s a lot of news there, but it makes Palin look good. So they go in, and find news, and don’t report it. They might report the God letter, just because they know that will turn off some people, but nothing about her hands on detailed leadership, with command of issue after issue.
If there’s nothing bad, then I guess there was nothing at all.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 7:11 pm@ Dustin,
I think it’s worse than that: I don’t think they no longer recognize “good” when they see it. Cynicism takes its toll on everyone. It’s a bitter way to live.
And frankly, I don’t want to hear their take on the Trig email. They would *sully it.
*Sully – now there’s some irony.
Dana (4eca6e) — 6/13/2011 @ 7:15 pmJD, it’s all about the lakehouse and horses. Seriously , it’s just DCSCA without spell/grammar check.
Simon Jester (45bb88) — 6/13/2011 @ 7:18 pm“However, she still raised taxes”
EPWJ – No, her legislation increased tax rates on oil producers.
For your twisted logic to work, one has to assume that Sarah Palin controls world oil prices and foresaw the highest oil prices ever recorded coming down the pike and decided to take advantage of those future oil prices when the legislation was drafted. Unfortunately, the record shows that the record oil prices of 2008 were not anticipated when the legislation was drafted.
Do you seriously think Sarah Palin controls world oil prices? If so, you have even more wrong with you than I thought.
Now answer the questions addressed to you earlier instead of moving the goal posts.
What programs of Palin’s have been discontinued by her successors? You keep using this talking point but never offer any specifics.
What specifically did Palin increase spending on after taking over as governor? Please lay it out for the crowd of commentators here.
Did Palin improve or harm the financial health of Alaska during her tenure as governor?
Why was Palin such a popular governor while she served?
Why did so many corrupt Republican legislators vote against her ACES legislation? Why is oil industry lobbyist Gov. Parnell trying to repeal it now?
Has oil industry employment increased under ACES?
I thought VECO was a construction company according to you. What freaking ties do they have to the oil industry?
When are you going to apologize for calling Sarah Palin a racist?
When are you going to stop formulating ridiculous economic questions that nobody but you considers rational?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:48 pmmainstream media
ColonelHaiku (8fa4f9) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:57 pmconvulses in its death throes
life ebbs in Summer
EPWJ has a ‘Weiner in his boxer briefs’ for Perry.
Icy Texan (158370) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:59 pm“Actually her resignation speech didn’t explain anything about the circumstances”
Milhouse – You would be wrong. Her speech went into the lame duck parts you mention and her desire to work on something positive, but see below:
“Some say things changed for me on August 29th last year – the day that John McCain tapped me to be his running-mate and it was an honor to stand beside a true American hero. I say others changed.
Let me speak to that for a minute.
Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law I championed became their weapon of choice. Over the past nine months I’ve been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations such as holding a fish in a photograph, wearing a jacket with a logo on it, and answering reporters’ questions.
Everyone of these though, all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We have won! But it hasn’t been cheap – the State has wasted thousands of hours of your time and shelled out some two million of your dollars to respond to “opposition research” and that’s money not going to fund teachers or troopers, or safer roads. And this political absurdity, the “politics of personal destruction?” Todd and I are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn’t cost them a dime so they’re not going to stop draining public resources, spending other peoples’ money in their game. It won’t stop.
It’s pretty insane – my staff and I spend most of our day dealing with this instead of progressing our state now. I know I promised no more politics as usual but this isn’t what anyone had in mind for Alaska.
If I have learned one thing, it’s that life is about choices and when choosing how to react to circumstances, you can choose to engage in things that tear down, or build up. I choose to work very hard on a path for fruitfulness and productivity. I choose not to tear down and waste precious time; but to build up this state and our country, and her industrious, generous, patriotic, free people!”
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 8:59 pm“EPWJ has a ‘Weiner in his boxer briefs’ for Perry.”
Icy Texan – Perry’s hair is almost as good as Palin’s.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:01 pmThank you for the correction, Daleyrocks.
It seems like Terrye and Milhouse and myself were mistaken. Palin did clearly and truthfully explain. Perhaps my memory is clouded by the media coverage of the speech and the punditry surrounding it.
Dustin (c16eca) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:07 pmhappy feet,
chick (9993dd) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:14 pmwhat kind of moron thinks there are 57 states?
“By the Summer of 2009, Kris (Perry, who you’ve seen on many of the emails) was ready to leave state service, because of the nonstop harassment. She finally had enough when while caring for herdying father in law, she received another FOIArequest (btw, she received another ethics complaint for traveling with Sarah to Miami,after the election,)the official demand for action was presented to Kris as her father in law passed away.”
“She knew she couldn’t serve the state effectively anymore because her days were spent fending off wasteful chargesm putting out partisan firesm and managing the avalanche of paperwork generated by the hit squad since our return from the campaign trail (GR, 372)
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/13/2011 @ 9:18 pmThanks, Daley, I’d forgotten that part.
And there’s another part of her reasoning that she has never mentioned, but that I think was nevertheless important in her decision: the chance to set Parnell up for 2010 as an incumbent, rather than have him face a primary challenge from the establishment machine.
Chick, you do realise, don’t you, that Obama didn’t actually think there were 57 states? It’s a fun line to cite, and it’s an effective counter to dishonest Dems quoting Palin referring to North Korea as our ally, or Cheney saying that Saddam Hussein had “reconstituted nuclear weapons”, but it is just as dishonest. Palin clearly meant “South Korea”, Cheney clearly meant “nuclear weapon development program”, and Obama clearly meant to say he’d visited 47 states. Citing these slips of the tongue in jest is one thing; citing them as if they reflected some real ignorance is dishonest and slanderous. Similarly, Obama’s reference to Europe as a country is exactly the same as Palin’s alleged slip with Africa (but bear in mind that it is only alleged, while Obama is on video).
“Corpesman”, on the other hand, was just ignorance of how the word is pronounced. Obama actually did think that’s how it’s pronounced, which is at least a little bit ignorant. And he does seem to have thought “Austrian” is a language.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 6/13/2011 @ 10:33 pmEPWJ has a weiner in his pants for Dede Dizzyfarker.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/13/2011 @ 11:12 pmDaleyrocks
First – Veco isnt an oil company
Second – Oil companies are not required by law to be forced to drill in Alaska
Third – So if you voted for raising even more taxes on the oil companies – if you voted with the honorable democrats – you are an honest Republican?
Fourth – Democrats wanted this tax and Palin wanted this tax, Republicans didnt want this tax as they knew the oil companies would slow or even stop future investment in Alaska
Fifth – If you want specifics – google the bills – her 1200 dollar per person which she hoped would be made permanent in addition to the excess taxes the Alaskans were already being paid was cancelled
sixth – The more conservative delegations elected in 2008 and 2010 are overturning her predatory taxes despite threats that they will be aqccused of corruption
And thanks for confirming that Sarah Palin and you agree that raising taxes to a 93% tax rate is okay, I just hope she doesnt get elected to do this to the rest of America – because she took Veco money, she worked with Ben Stevens and Senator Stevens and she accepted high positions and pay from the Murkowski Administration for her role in getting him elected in Alaska – until she was passed over for a Senate seat.
Like they guy said over at Ace
“shes a victim!”
no wait…
“She’s a warrior!”
no wait….
“She’s a victim!”
No wait………
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 2:44 amRaise your hand if you were aware that the “note from God” to Sarah about Trig’s birth was NOT “discovered” in this e-mail dump, but was published in her book “Going Rogue” on pages 261-264.
Hands? Hands, people?
This tells me two things.
1. Sarah happily uses her developmentally disabled child as a prop to further her political agenda. And…
2. A whole lot of conservatives bought the book but never actually read it.
http://bit.ly/lI73vT
Parky Pundit (eea56b) — 6/14/2011 @ 4:49 amIf Dede Fattyarsebuckle were governor of Alaska she’d enact taxes so please quit projecting.
And why is it dangerous to defend yourself with a gun?
EricPWJohnson is no Rick Perry lover.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 4:50 am3.Parky Pundit is anacephalic.
4.Soros needs better trolls.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 4:52 amIt emerges from these emails, that Lyda Green, the kind of Republican than Eric likes, was the one that began the Trig Trutherism rumors, that Sullivan
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/14/2011 @ 4:59 amthe geniuses in the Journalists and the loathsome
Gryphon would later adopt. Another member of the crony party, Andrew Halcro, wanted a state income
tax for Alaska, when he and Lisa were in the Assembly.
So why isn’t he called out?
Lyda Green……..Took money from VECO but criticized Palin as a crony captialist.
How is that for irony.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:18 amIrony. ‘it’s for breakfast, lunch, and dinner’ Doh,
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:24 amshe also scheduled a hearing, right around the time
that Track was graduating from boot camp, so there
is bad blood all around,
Ian
I’m only interested in how Gov Palin decided that the democrats had better ideas on taxation of corporations (which are just passed on to us) than attempts to discredit conservatives who didnt vote for Palins tax increases
I guess you have to ask why conservatives opposed it
and liberals voted for it
Palin campaigned against Murkowski criticising his implementation of the PPT which was a progressive(windfall) tax based upon the price of oil – She according to at least one analyst was in favor of returning to a simpler, leaner less intrusive alaskan govt financed by further investment, by returning to the original ELF
Then she took office and went WAY the other way
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:26 amThe “dirt” emerges in comment #233
Icy Texan (158370) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:29 amAnd again in #240
Icy Texan (158370) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:30 amhttp://www.casttv.com/video/2d9vhx/9of12-gas-risk-heavy-oil-alaska-gov-palin-ppt-aces-forum-video
ian cormac (72470d) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:43 amEpwj is on another closed stupid feedback loop. You answered none of daleyrocks’ specific questions, choosing to answer imaginary questions not asked of you. Seek help, preferably back overseas. Or come run for office here in Indiana so I can vote against you. Go hang out with your skin flute playin buddy Yelverton. Just quit polluting every thread with your inanity.
JD (b98cae) — 6/14/2011 @ 5:58 amWhat I love most about EPJW is that, when he walks through slums, the slum denizens are looking for venture capital and job growth opportunities. The slums I walk through, all they want is money for beer. He leads a special kind of life, our EPJW. With due respect to The Weiner, it kind of makes me kind of want a döner kebap.
carlitos (25ee92) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:02 amIan
In 2005/2006 Palin was running against frank for the Republican nomination
To set the stage – frank had after 2 1/2 years of negotiations and rejecting the oil companies stances that they couldnt afford more taxes – implemented a massive tax increase 800 million or so collected in just the first year (over 12% boost to the total revenue and expenditures)
Palin was flirting with going back to the ELF tax to seperate herself from Murkowski
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:03 amIan,
Your video – which I would love to know who those people were and who was saying what – that video was 2 years later when Palin was pushing with Alaskan democrats, liberals and environmentalists – a punative confiscatory tax on the oil industry
Unfortunately – she and her liberal allies got their way – but fortunately Parnel – her old running mate – is bound and determined to overturn her liberal spendthrift and confiscating legacy – he’s almost there
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:06 amAnd thank god for that
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:07 amJD
So why would Palin use the democrats to pass a tax increase?
Is that wise?
The logic that if all the democrats are for a confiscatory tax – is it a good idea?
Are you on board with this tax?
Would you want it on your company? Because after years of risk and decades of inveestment when good times come – the state of Indiana would say – gee JD thanks – its ours now?
Is that how you want to be treated?
Is that fair?
Is it fair that the state takes YOUR profits and gives them to everyone in Indiana who didnt lift a finger for you?
Really – is that what you want to be on record for?
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:25 amHe could always consult with DCSCA’s therapist. After getting his hair cut at The Four Seasons, then heading off to the lakehouse to ride horses. What an odd person, who seems to thrive on the dislike of others. And self important fibs.
Simon Jester (45bb88) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:27 amWalter Mitty of Arabia, sort of.
Simon Jester (45bb88) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:29 amSimon
Are you on board with passing windfall profits taxes? ehat about big Pharm, big food, big grain, big auto – where is Palin going to have a waters edge – she’s still touting her tax as an achievement – we have a person being fete’d to run this great country that uses as her gravitas – tax increases…
In this economy
In these turbulent times
A commodity that every American needs every day
Are you on board with a President Palin instituting a national windfall profits tax on the oil industry in all 57 states?
(57 is a joke dude)
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:36 amAlso Simon,
Who do you think “pays” corporate taxes – the consumers – or the investors?
EricPWjohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:40 amAre you a retarded POS who doesn’t know the difference between alaska’s constitution and america’s constitution?
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:43 amAnd you never liked Palin from the start.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:44 amYou are truly an idiot. After trying thios routine out 63255521855358552 times, it apparently never gets old for you. The rest of the sentient world, not so much. Seek help, you lying disingenuous f@ck.
JD (b98cae) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:49 amHe never liked Palin and never will no matter what.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:50 amIn epwj’s bizarro world, the resources of the State of Alaska belong to big oil. Answer daleyrocks actual questions, not the ones you wish he asked, or go play with your pal Weiner and Scozzafava.
JD (b98cae) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:52 amI got quoted at DOD i’am surprised.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:52 amJD
So if the state of Indiana came and said – you are doing really well, granted a lic to do business in our state – here is a 93% tax rate
Then you are on record as saying thats okay?
EricPWJohnson (8a4ca7) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:53 amSimon – epwj sharmoota majnoona.
JD (85b089) — 6/14/2011 @ 6:55 amNo, I am not on record saying that, you lying f@ck. As Dustin noted yesterday, you have a habit of attributing a position to someone that they have not expressed and do not hold, based only on your warped worldview and dishonest narrative. You would not know honesty if it crawled out your weinerhole and did a jig on your nose.
JD (306f5d) — 6/14/2011 @ 7:01 amEric is a liar who thinks Gail Crystal Magnum was raped-raped even though she is a huckster-huckster.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 7:03 amQ – do you know how to castrate Big Oil?
A – Kick epwj in the jaw.
JD (d48c3b) — 6/14/2011 @ 7:11 amQ-How do you know EricPWJackarse is lying?
A-His lips are moving.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 6/14/2011 @ 7:29 amI think the record’s stuck . . . the record’s stuck . . . the record’s stuck . . . the record’s stuck . . . the record’s stuck . . .
Icy Texan (158370) — 6/14/2011 @ 8:15 amEPWJ – Are you constitutionally incapable of answering questions and telling the truth?
“Third – So if you voted for raising even more taxes on the oil companies – if you voted with the honorable democrats – you are an honest Republican?” – You tell me and tell how many Republicans voted for ACES or abstained from voting on the bill. I already provided the answer on a prior thread. Your turn now sport. Be honest.
“Fourth – Democrats wanted this tax and Palin wanted this tax, Republicans didnt want this tax as they knew the oil companies would slow or even stop future investment in Alaska” – The bill passed with bipartisan support. See above. Stop being dishonest.
“Fifth – If you want specifics – google the bills – her 1200 dollar per person which she hoped would be made permanent in addition to the excess taxes the Alaskans were already being paid was cancelled” – I have googled the specifics and find no support for your contention. I am looking for you to support your talking point, which you have not done. In the absence of any support, I must assume it is just another one of your many lies about Palin. Please provide your evidence that Palin intended her $1,200 per person dividend from from Alaska Permanent Fund to be permanent rather an aid to help Alaskans with the highest oil prices ever recorded?
Do you really think Sarah Palin controls world oil prices?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 8:45 amSarah Palin’s message for EPWJ – Shill baby Shill!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 6/14/2011 @ 8:50 am