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6/8/2011

Against All Odds, the Weiner Saga Gets Worse (and Better) (Update: A Fourth/Fifth Woman and Two Female Perspectives on the Weiss Transcript) (Further Update: Sexting One Month After Wedding?!) (Further Update: Cordova Speaks, Withholds Evidence)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 2:38 pm

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

Update: Ace points out that the new woman was apparently being tweeted around a month after he got married. Un-fraking-believable. Was he sexting during the honeymoon, too?

Update: Gennette Cordova talks to the NY Times, proclaiming how innocent her exchange was and gosh that Weinerpic just came out of the blue! But there is really only one line you need to read in that piece.

Ms. Cordova provided a portion of her communications with Mr. Weiner to The Times, in which they messaged back and forth about the online detractors and their tactics. But Ms. Cordova would not make all of her interaction with him available for review.

“I have not sent him any suggestive messages,” Ms. Cordova said.

(emphasis added.)

The original post follows.

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All throughout this I kept thinking, “well, thank God he doesn’t have any children.”  It’s tough enough on the kids to have daddy cheating on mommy, but for it all to be a national punchline…?  Oy vey.  And I honestly thought it would make it easier for her to leave him, since he was obviously not particularly interested in honoring his wedding vows.

And well, that isn’t going to be true much longer.  The New York Times reports that Huma Abedin is pregnant:

Ms. Abedin, 35, is in the early stages of pregnancy, according to three people with knowledge of the situation.

The pregnancy, which the couple has disclosed to close friends and family, adds a new dimension to questions about the future of their marriage.

Yeah, no kidding.

Of course we should rejoice in every life brought into this earth, but what is this child going to face, now.  If there is any silver lining (besides the miracle of life itself) it is that maybe it will make Weiner finally take his marriage and his wedding vows seriously.  Maybe he will rise to the occasion.  We can hope.

And we can hope for the health of their unborn child and that the child doesn’t get too much crud about what daddy did.

Update: And just breaking tonight, a fourth woman.  Or a fifth, if like me you don’t believe Gennette Cordova’s denials.  This time this person was outted against her will:

if it were up to Traci Nobles of Athens, Ga., her contact with Weiner would have stayed a secret.

“I really regret that this was sent to you,” Nobles told the Las Vegas Sun, after confirming that an unnamed roommate went into her Facebook account, which had been inadvertently left open, and emailed the Sun a screen shot of a private conversation between Weiner and Nobles that appears to date from August. “She thought someone should know,” Nobles said.

Given the extent of the congressman’s flirtatious speech and physical details that have been made public, there’s little from the brief excerpt of the Nobles-Weiner conversation that could shock us. The bit of the conversation that was made available to the Sun shows the two exchanging terms of endearment such as “sexy” and “sugar” and arranging some sort of meeting for the next day — although it’s not clear from what’s presented whether it’s a meeting that was to take place online or in person.

And of course she fits the pattern of being a woman who publicly lusted for him:

Despite her reticence to reveal her private contact with Weiner, she’s not been shy about sharing her affection for the congressman publicly in the past.

She’s posted suggestive messages on his public campaign site several times, requesting right after the midterm elections to sit in Weiner’s lap, with an accompanying phallic joke, and encouraging him on more than one occasion to conduct his official business — especially if it would be broadcast on television — in the buff.

Nobles wouldn’t share any more of the exchange she had with Weiner after several requests. She and Weiner are Facebook friends.

So for now we aren’t likely to hear more.

On a tangentially related note, there are two women who offered interesting analysis of the now-infamous transcript with Lisa Weiss.  The first is Kiri Blakeley who captures exactly my thinking when reading it: that it as much about stroking his ego as anything else.  Meanwhile ex-girlfriend Kirsten Powers writes at the Daily Beast as a woman furious at him for lying to her:

This is my general view of sex scandals. But there is lying and then there is what Weiner did.  Due to nonstop meetings, I had not had time to watch his media blitz prior to my Greta interview and was slack-jawed when I saw clips of him the next day sneering and pointing fingers at other people for what he knew he had done. I am of the general view that politicians are not the most honest group of people, but, even using that very low standard, what I saw in those interviews was deeply disturbing. There is no way anyone can ever believe anything Weiner says again after that. In fact, I highly doubt that what he said in his press conference is even true.

Narcissism doesn’t begin to describe this kind of behavior. It seems there was nobody he didn’t lie to. The New York Times reported this morning that he told donors a week ago that the scandal was the result of a “vast right-wing conspiracy” and that “everything [would] be fine.”  We also learned after his press conference that he coached a former porn star with whom he had communicated online on how to lie to the media.

And then she really unloads on him.  I will put this below the fold because it is quoting from that transcript and it gets pretty raw:

But even if I could see past the lying and extreme narcissism that is noteworthy even by Washington standards, there is the issue of his attitude toward women. What has emerged is a picture of a predator trolling the Internet for women—some half his age—with which to engage in cybersex.

She goes on to draw out the violent side to his kinks:

By far the most disturbing information that we have been privy to—there is, no doubt, more out there that we don’t know—is the transcript of a nine-month “sexting” relationship Weiner had with a Las Vegas blackjack dealer. Radar Online posted the transcript, and it is rife with misogyny and distorted views about women. In referring to oral sex, Wiener tells her, “You will gag on me before you c** with me in you” and “[I’m] thinking about gagging your hot mouth with my c***.” This is not about sex. It’s about dominating and inflicting physical pain on a woman, a fantasy the hard-core porn industry makes billions of dollars on selling to men. You don’t want to gag a woman with your penis unless you have some serious issues with the way you see women.

And it gets much, much worse from there as she dissects his words.  Seriously, if you don’t mind the dirty language, read the whole thing.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

56 Responses to “Against All Odds, the Weiner Saga Gets Worse (and Better) (Update: A Fourth/Fifth Woman and Two Female Perspectives on the Weiss Transcript) (Further Update: Sexting One Month After Wedding?!) (Further Update: Cordova Speaks, Withholds Evidence)”

  1. Breitbart, you devil!!!

    EC (b9a02c)

  2. Has Andrew Sullivan been consulted about this rumor?

    elissa (cbe76f)

  3. Maybe he will rise to the occasion.

    I suspect he will. He seem to rise to every other occasion.

    Jazz (0ca4b2)

  4. I mean I really don’t. Unless she gained 12 pounds since her marriage, she’s too thin to have a period, let alone ovulate.

    I have to concede I can’t KNOW, and if she is, I suppose it might even account for an escalation in his escapist activities.

    SarahW (af7312)

  5. Oh, I thought I posted “I don’t believe it”

    SarahW (af7312)

  6. Are we sure the baby is hers?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  7. Maybe it’s not his. Wouldn’t that be something?

    f1guyus (2a84e9)

  8. He’ll still be A TURD ..he knew about the baby when he tweeted the pic…he’s a selfish heartless turd!

    Pamela (8502f8)

  9. I only hope that her genes dominate and the baby inherits her looks and brains. Though how smart can someone be that married him?

    MU789 (e8e85b)

  10. I question the timimg.

    elissa (cbe76f)

  11. Agree, elissa. Is she really or is this just cover. And if it’s true, surely he would have known about it. But since he was already having his online flings one month after the wedding, who really knows if he cares or not.

    PatAZ (f23d3e)

  12. Kid shows up waving a cigar and sayin’ stuff like “I never fouled that dipah. Not one time” we’ll know the horrible truth.

    f1guyus (2a84e9)

  13. Colonel express shock
    the full frontal noodlety
    Tony al dente

    ColonelHaiku (8fa4f9)

  14. but what is this child going to face, now.

    A life of privilege?

    deepelemblue (ea26b9)

  15. Maybe he will rise to the occasion

    Isn’t that how we got to this point?

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  16. http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2011/06/07/whats-important-about-weinergateand-whats-not/

    As usual Rick Moran sums the whole weinergate coverage quite well.

    Time to move on.

    vor2 (853c83)

  17. Am I to feel bad for a liberal women who likely was a Bill Clinton sycophant and NOW member now getting it done to her?
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    Payback is a bitch.
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    Wish the kid well but with two reflexively liberal parents it will be an uphill climb.

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  18. i feel for the kid (if there actually is one):

    what do you get a turkey baster for Father’s Day?

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  19. ==Time to move on.== comment by vor2

    You know what one of the great things about America is? Them what wants to move on can—and them what don’t wish to move on don’t hafta. What a country!

    elissa (cbe76f)

  20. That sure takes the lulz out of this story. I’m still twisted enough to follow the new salacious details to come, but it isn’t funny anymore.

    gp (91e0c3)

  21. Am I to feel bad for a liberal women who likely was a Bill Clinton sycophant and NOW member now getting it done to her?
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    Payback is a bitch.

    Jesus Christ, man.

    Congratulations to Weiner and Huma. No amount of bad news can overcome this good news. Hopefully he resigns soon, and he somehow becomes a decent father.

    You know what one of the great things about America is? Them what wants to move on can—and them what don’t wish to move on don’t hafta. What a country!

    Comment by elissa

    True. It’s a big internet. One of the stories on this blog criticized Huffpo for not having more prominent coverage of this already completely saturated story, and I didn’t find that reasonable any more than it’s reasonable to demand this blog cover the story less.

    Anyway, Hot Air goes out of their way for a diversity of topics, as does Instapundit. This blog tends to focus on stories sometimes and shake the life out of it for a while. Which is awesome when I really like a story, and harmless when I don’t.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  22. Time to move on.

    Why is it that lefties always want to move on when it’s one of their own caught in doing wrong? If Weiner were a Republican, the entire chorus of left-leaning press would be calling for his castration and beheading.

    I mean, they still haven’t moved on from Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill and that was 20 years ago.

    Chuck Bartowski (e84e27)

  23. Anyone that disagrees with Rick Moron is a right wing Visigoth unsuitable for civil society.

    JD (318f81)

  24. Comment by JD — 6/8/2011 @ 5:05 pm

    I suppose you read the link. I didn’t see anything about visigoths in it…

    vor2 (853c83)

  25. I know the line that every kid should have a dad, but there’s a part of me that thinks the kid would be better off without Weiner (just as the country as a whole would be better off if he resigned).

    And I know it’s not polite to speak ill of those with mental problems (sending those pix is evidence of something gone haywire in the guy’s brain), but I wouldn’t want to have to count on him keeping his kid from suffering the consequences of having a crazy father.

    steve (254463)

  26. I did read the link, and the day that Rick Moron speaks for me is the day that I will start voting for socialists.

    JD (318f81)

  27. That’s not such a crazy thought, Steve.

    Weiner’s ABC interview shows he is absolutely without morality. The only thing that matters to him is Anthony Weiner. He’s a solipsist.

    However, I do believe every kid needs a dad. My old man wasn’t perfect, but I’m a better person because he did his best. Don’t underestimate the potential for human redemption.

    I will add: I don’t think Weiner can be saved so long as he’s got political power. He needs to escape from that and also try to escape from celebrity.

    I’ve met Weiner, and he came across as a pretty decent person, but I think this might be before he got too screwed up by being a bigshot in DC.

    What a country we have, that requires one to be impervious to temptation to persist as a normal person in high office, but also makes it nearly impossible for honorable people to succeed in political campaigns.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  28. steve

    every kid having a dad is ideal. but at some point a father can be so bad he does more harm than good. long story, but my family confronted exactly that situation when my sister’s husband turned out to be an abusive piece of dogfeces, if you pardon my french.

    or i should say my sister’s ex husband. around 19 years later their child is as adjusted as a kid can be with her disabilities (another long story) and my sister is a married to a new man who treats her and her daughter wonderfully. But around 19 years ago, we had to make the judgment that no father was better than that.

    i won’t judge on whether weiner has reached that level. i hope for a significant change of personality. but i ain’t holding my breath, either.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  29. Comment by JD — 6/8/2011 @ 5:30 pm

    I had not seen that but at least I know where the visigoths reference came from. He has used some strong adjectives about democrats as well.
    No pundit is right 100% of the time but imo Moran gets it right a lot of the time. You apparently disagree. God bless America!

    vor2 (853c83)

  30. btw, yes, i know “rise to the occasion” sounds like a double entendre. but i just figured f– it, i didn’t have the time to come up with a synonymous phrase.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  31. I’ll just say a prayer for the child. Because its mother is an uber-liberal and, you know, it’s her choice….

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  32. As I slowly morph into Andrew Sullivan, before I turn into the amorphous good that is himself:
    She shouldn’t announce before 12 weeks, certainly not at her age. And I am still skeptical of unsourced reports.

    SarahW (af7312)

  33. amorphous goo. blast it.

    SarahW (af7312)

  34. To state the obvious: every MSM toadie who reflexively defnded Weiner and attacked Breitbart based on their respective politics, has self-identified as a toadie, a hack and a volunteer propagandist.

    To those among them who now ask: how can we ever believe anything he says again: know that we have ample reason to ask the same question about you.

    sherlock (62f2cf)

  35. One thing I wonder about is the legality of taking images from a person and publishing them without permission. It was clear Brietbart didn’t want his remaining picture disclosed, and the roommate who accessed the facebook account did so without permission. Do these folks have any legal recourse?

    Jeff Mitchell (481f2a)

  36. Weiner claims he never jad sex with any sich women … But he’s going into sex therapy, right?

    ras (9ee614)

  37. Hey hes a democrat and that baby may not be welcomed to a perfect situation now….
    Maybe she should make a visit to planned parenthood

    b mansfield (e5f314)

  38. She shouldn’t announce before 12 weeks, certainly not at her age.

    “Should not”?? Seriously? Seems Ms. Abedin can announce whenever the hell she wants like any other woman.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  39. What no Huns, or Vandals, even Vandal Savage, I’m offended.

    ian cormac (72470d)

  40. Dana, I agree about the Weiners announcing whenever they want to, and under circumstances that they are comfortable doing so. But this happy baby news came today via a blind item in the NYT in what the grey lady says is an early pregnancy confirmed by “several” Weiner friends. I find that odd and somewhat concerning. Did Huma even know it was going to be leaked?

    elissa (cbe76f)

  41. elissa,

    I was being a stinker because telling someone “she shouldn’t announce before 12 weeks because of her age” sounded like a scolding know-it-all, not because of anything else.

    If I were Huma and my “friends” leaked such an extraordinary piece of news – especially in light of my husband’s egregious behavior – they would immediately discover they were no longer my friends – if they ever were to begin with.

    Now whether or not she really is pregnant is anybody’s guess. It certainly would be an effective distraction and ploy to shut down any more criticism of Weiner and/or demand that he step down. I don’t know. Time will tell but if it is a ploy, the desperateness of it speaks for itself.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  42. Dustin,

    The attempt to curry sympathy for Huma is likely well out of place. So, Jesus Christ, indeed.

    As stated, she probably saw little-to-nothing wrong with Bill and fell into the twisted logic many have which is that somehow powerful (liberal/socialist) men can be bad boys and that somehow this is a sign of their “greatness.” Much like how folks came to DSK’s defense, Kennedy’s and even MLK.

    Women who have one standard for one type of man and another for another …. sorry no sympathy for the NOW femi-nazi crowd when their hubby’s do unto them as they pathologically ignored and excused when other’s did.

    Huma likely deserves every inch of Weiner-douchebag. Pun intended.

    Sponge Bob Square Pants (fccc6f)

  43. Btw, it gets even worse. See the update. Ace noticed something very creepy about the date.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  44. Shortly after the baby news came out I saw this cynical but clever zinger somewhere. (May have been an Althouse commenter)

    “Breaking: Beloved Weiner family pussy cat diagnosed with feline leukemia.”

    elissa (cbe76f)

  45. Kirsten Powers brought her bat to work today.
    And she is laying the wood on Weiner.

    Narcissism doesn’t begin to describe this kind of behavior. It seems there was nobody he didn’t lie to…
    …even if I could see past the lying and extreme narcissism that is noteworthy even by Washington standards, there is the issue of his attitude toward women. What has emerged is a picture of a predator trolling the Internet for women—some half his age—with which to engage in cybersex. We know only about the women who were responsive to his overtures. The odds are very high that he struck out with many, and other women were victim to his unsolicited sex talk. Women should be able to “friend” a married—or unmarried—congressman on Facebook or follow him on Twitter without fear of being the recipient of lewd talk or behavior. Just because a woman “likes” your video on Facebook doesn’t mean you can send her a picture of your penis.

    By far the most disturbing information that we have been privy to—there is, no doubt, more out there that we don’t know—is the transcript of a nine-month “sexting” relationship Weiner had with a Las Vegas blackjack dealer. Radar Online posted the transcript, and it is rife with misogyny and distorted views about women.

    “I hear liberal girls are very, uh, accommodating of other[s],” playing on a bogus stereotype that politically liberal women are promiscuous. When he asks the woman, who is Jewish, “You give good h**d?” and she says yes, he exclaims: “Wow a Jewish girl who sucks c***! this thing is ready to do damage.”

    A whisper campaign has started in New York that Weiner’s wife was partly to blame for what happened. “You know, she does travel a lot” is what one New York political operative told me they have heard from multiple reporters. So now we have the “blame the woman” campaign even though what Weiner did had zero to do with sexual satisfaction and everything to do with his own mental issues

    Ouch. That’s the journalist’s equivalent of a nightstick shampoo.

    And she’s focused in on target. AW’s constituency is primarily hardcore feminist liberal women.

    Anthony Weiner’s Ex-Kirsten Powers: He Lied to Me

    OTOH shouldn’t liberal women specifically be accustomed to politicians lying to them, treating them like dirt, ext.

    papertiger (e55ba0)

  46. This is not about sex. It’s about dominating and inflicting physical pain on a woman, a fantasy the hard-core porn industry makes billions of dollars on selling to men. You don’t want to gag a woman with your penis unless you have some serious issues with the way you see women.

    Good lord. I hadn’t read the transcripts. Weiner is a sick sick man. I know a few people who think this is just normal flirting. I hope to hell they are simply ignorant of what Weiner’s been saying, because I don’t think this is very normal.

    If they decide they aren’t ready for the baby, I pray they put him or her into adoption.

    It’s really hard to understand this kind of thing happening right after the wedding. The women involved with that kinda piss me off, too.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  47. The women involved with that kinda piss me off, too.

    Well, yeah. If women said NO more frequently, men like Weiner wouldn’t believe he had the freedom and approval to behave like this. Women’s responses – individually and collectively – determine the boundaries a man is willing to cross. Like with porn: If women said no to allowing themselves to be objectified, it wouldn’t be the immensely successful industry it is.

    Weiner is disgusting and self-destructive, no doubt. But I think that the women partaking in this are not only self-destructive but denigrate all women with their engaging Weiner in this behavior. Funny though how Weiner’s behavior doesn’t color all men. Women’s image is more easily damaged than their counterparts.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  48. If women said no to allowing themselves to be objectified, it wouldn’t be the immensely successful industry it is.

    That reminds me of Ginger Lee, whom I googled when someone asked Aaron if he was accurate to call her a porn star. She’s the fullest embodiment of a woman denigrating women and establishing no boundary to the fantasy of dominating and forcing women into sex because of their circumstance.

    My point is that on her blog, she calls herself a feminist. I have no idea what that means, because her work does not promote the idea that men and women are equals. All of Weiner’s fans call themselves feminists. There’s more to feminism than abortion and libertine sex. It’s frustrating.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  49. It’s frustrating.

    It’s dishonest…which is why I have no respect for them.

    My point is that on her blog, she calls herself a feminist. I have no idea what that means, because her work does not promote the idea that men and women are equals. All of Weiner’s fans call themselves feminists. There’s more to feminism than abortion and libertine sex.

    …but as we’ve witnessed via Palin, the litmus test for feminism is abortion – no more, no less.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  50. Taking bets on her having a “miscarriage” right after things blow over….

    Rorschach (7a2fd6)

  51. Dana, I am both scold and know it all – but I meant to say that more to account for her not saying it herself yet. People tell friends and family early all the time – but the risk of miscarriage is high at that age and women are usually keeping it on the downlow.

    SarahW (af7312)

  52. dustin

    i call myself a feminist, but refuse to accept their definition.

    i go old school on it. i mean around 1840 old school.

    i believe in nothing less than the absolute equality of opportunity between men and women, with only narrow concessions for physical differences. and i presume equality in the mental capacities of men and women.

    abortion and sexual looseness has zero to do with it, in my opinion.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  53. Amen, Aaron. It is nonsensical to take an opinion on abortion and claim that it is a necessary feature of equality. That’s simply circular reasoning, or more often, a shameless attempt to demoagogue.

    It’s about equality. And Weiner’s fangirls do not appear to value equality very much. Any woman who strays from their views gets a dose of hatred, too.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  54. I’m wondering why Democrats think Weiner has to resign because he lied to Kirsten Powers and President Obama, but apparently they aren’t concerned he lied to the media, the public, and his constituents.

    Anon (fdd243)

  55. As stated, many women who call themselves feminist and ascribe to a socialist/liberal world view find Weiner type behaviour A-OK so long as the douche is a man in power to ascribes to the same world view.

    The list of women who came to Clinton’s defense, Kennedy, Edwards, Weiner is pretty long and distinguished. The slanders against Paula Jones, Sarah Palin, etc……. from women of the left were pretty bad.

    So, that someone like Huma, who is likely a carbon copy of the double talking Gloria Steinem pathology, is now caught in it …. turn about is fair play and even if it hurts pretty bad.

    Reminds me of the saying a life unexamined is not worth living.

    Sponge Bob Torquemada (fccc6f)


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