Devoted Fans of Glenn Greenwald Emphasize the Same Points About His Resume — From the Same IP Address!!
Read on, Gentle Reader. I promise you, this will be worth your time.
See if you see any similarities between the following comments, from three completely different people. (Or are they?)
Listen to their amazing praise for the great Glenn Greenwald . . . and note how similar all the comments sound.
First, we have this comment on Ace’s blog, from “Ellison” (scan down for “Ellison”):
Greenwald only has a New York Times Best Selling Book on the Bush Administration and its abuses of power. And he has one of the most-read blogs on the Interent, after 9 months of blogging. And Senators read from his blog at Senate hearings and his posts lead to front-page news stories in major newspapers.
Why would anyone think what he has to say matters? It’s not like anyone listens to him. It’s not like he’s Ace, or Jeff Goldstein, or Patterico, or Sister Toldjah or Glenn Reynolds, or someone who really matters.
Great advice, you super-important bloggers should only to each other and about each other. Don’t bother with anyone in the Left because if you ignore them, they’ll just go away.
and this comment on Dan Riehl’s blog, from a completely different person named “Sam Mathews”:
Greenwald’s book has been on the N.Y. Times Best Seller List for 6 weeks now or more. He is a graduate of a top 5 law school and worked at the most prestigious law firm in the country. In 9 months, he’s managed to become one of the most cited and heavily-trafficked bloggers on the internets. His posts have led to front page news articles and are read by U.S. Senators during Senate hearings.
You-by your own account are a marketing and sales manager. And your favorite movie is Something About Mary.
Can’t you just admit that you(and Patterico and Reynolds & Goldstein and the rest of your bitter insult-spewing irrelevant losers) are drowning in jealousy? It isn’t pretty to watch. But it sure is obvious.
and this comment on Jeff Goldstein’s blog, from a completely different person named “Wilson”:
Lets see, a New York Times bestselling book on executive authority. Breaks a story on his blog about wiretapping that leads to front-page stories on most major newspapers in the country. Russ Feingold reads from his blog during the Censure hearings.
Maybe that has something to do with why. Any conservative bloggers with credentials like that? All compiled in 9 months or however long its been since he started blogging?
Jeffy’s funny poems are great and everything, and im sure your anonymous lawyer friends are really smart and all, but hard to say they compare to those things.
Boy, we sure do have a dedicated Glenn Greenwald fan there.
Or should I say “fans”?
Because these comments are, after all, from three completely “different” people. Again: the first comment is from a guy named “Ellison.” And the second is from a different guy, named “Sam Mathews.” And the third is from a different guy still — one named “Wilson.”
But here’s the weird part: they all sound so very similar! All of these various fans of Glenn Greenwald seem very familiar with his curriculum vitae. And they seem to emphasize the same points. His New York Times best seller. His amazing success in just 9 months of blogging. The fact that Senators read from his blog during Senate hearings! The fact that he breaks stories that appear on the front pages of newspapers!
And here’s the very weirdest part of all: Ellison’s IP address is the very same IP address as that of one Glenn Greenwald.
The coincidences are . . . extraordinary.
But this is where I should really turn things over to Ace, who is blogging this amazing coincidence as we speak — and who has some relevant screenshots (one of which I just e-mailed to him).
Why, just compare the IP address in this Ace screenshot of a comment from “Ellison” to the IP address in this Patterico screenshot of a comment from one Glenn Greenwald.
They sure seem like the same IP address to me. And I’m guessing that the evidence will continue to roll in as the day goes on.
Dan? Jeff? Do you have anything to say?
Anyway, I’m going to turn it over to Ace forthwith. Go read his post, now. (A big tip of the hat to Ace commenter Shawn.)
UPDATE: Add a few more to the list.
First, we have “Ryan.” Dan Riehl e-mails to say that three comments from someone claiming to be “Ryan” were left on his blog using that IP address. All three comments defended Greenwald. In one of them, the commenter actually claimed to have e-mailed Greenwald for his response to certain allegations, and printed the reply as part of his comment!
That comment is here:
I e-mailed Greenwald yesterday about this, pasted BumperStickerist’s accusations, and asked Greenwald if it was true. This is what I just received in response:
“Thanks for sending that.
I worked at Wachtell, Lipton as a Summer Associate after my second year at NYU, as a pre-Bar Associate during my entire third year at NYU and once I graduated, and then as a practicing Litigation Associate once I was admitted to the New York Bar.
Anyone who says that I did not practice law there after I passed the bar is lying — and deliberately so, I would think, since nobody who says such a thing could possibly have any basis for knowing that.
In any event, I can’t imagine what point anyone thinks they’re making. Wachtell is known to be the most selective law firm in the country. What point do they think they’re making, exactly?”
You people are morons, seriously. You run around claiming things without having any idea if there true. And then when you get exposed as liars, you slink away and repeat the next lie.
Good Lord.
There’s also this comment:
What’s happening here is obvious. Instapundit is so full of frustration and anger towards Greenwald’s criticisms that he links to every loser and sicko who writes a single negative thing about Greenwald, no matter how extreme, deranged, bitter, etc.
So now they’re all trained that if they want attention and traffic from their master, they need to be good little attack poodles and write about Greenwald - the more personal and inane, the better. Insty has linked to 10 posts like this, at least, in the last week.
Dan needs attention and traffic - he doesn’t exactly have a lot of either - and this is the only way he can get it. Greenwald is his meal ticket.
and this one:
Or, better yet, head on over to Sadly No where they are mocking the utter idiocy of Xrlq’s “frisking” -
http://sadlyno.com/archives/003294.html#comments
Xrlq is exactly one of those guys I was talking about. He has been whining away in obscurity, averaging 200 visits a day. 200 a day! That’s basically his mom and her friends. But then he wrote about Greenwald, got links from everyone, and, like Riehl and others, is now trying to milk it for all it’s worth. This tells you everything you need to know about xrlq:
http://www.sitemeter.com/a=stats&s=s15xrlqcounter&r=35
He should be thanking Greenwald, just like Rehil should. Let him try not to write about Greenwald anymore and see how many people go back to reading him.
Riehl blogs it here.
Jon Henke writes to say that numerous comments from Greenwald defender “Thomas Ellers” were left in this thread using the same IP. There are too many to quote. Just go to the thread and search for “Ellers.”
Cassandra from Villainous Company has written me to confirm that Greenwald left comments on her blog using the same IP as he used on mine. And, to make it clear: the only comments ever left on my site from the IP address in question were several comments from Glenn Greenwald. Cassandra says the same is true for her blog.
UPDATE x2: Kevin Aylward e-mails to note that the IP address in question comes back to Brazil. That’s no surprise. Here’s some background from Greenwald himself:
The country in which I have now lived for a year, Brazil, is by far the largest and most populous country in South America, and Brazilians had, prior to the war in Iraq, an overwhelmingly favorable view of the United States.
(h/t Henke and Bill from INDC.)
I should note, as I did in the Hiltzik affair, that the issue here is not pseudonymity. That’s fine. But commenters should not use pseudonyms to pretend to be something or somebody they aren’t. That’s just dishonest.
Well, this is a fast-moving story, and I’m going to miss the next several hours. Keep an eye on Ace, Goldstein, Riehl, and others.
UPDATE x3: Goldstein’s “Wilson” comment matches an IP used by Greenwald at my site and “Thomas Ellers” at Henke’s. A screen shot is forthcoming.
I should note: I’m not making any claims here. I’m content to let the facts speak for themselves.
UPDATE x4: Greenwald denies the charges.
UPDATE x5 7-24-2006 4:42 p.m.: A brief summary of the IP evidence is here:
Greenwald (and nobody else) used one IP address to make five comments on my site on July 13. He (and nobody else) used the same one to make 2 comments on Villainous Company. “Ryan” used that IP address to post 3 comments at Riehl World View. And “Ellison” posted a comment using that IP address at Ace’s. And “Thomas Ellers” posted numerous comments using that IP address at Q&O.
Greenwald (and nobody else) used a second IP address to post 3 comments on my site on July 12. He used the same IP address to post as himself at Confederate Yankee. And that same IP address was used by “Wilson” at Jeff Goldstein’s site.
Ace and I plan to have much more on why we think it’s Greenwald and not the boyfriend. The basic argument is this: the evidence points either to Greenwald, or to a person who is his carbon copy in personality, writing style and verbal tics.
The suspected sock-puppet comments from Greenwald’s IP are clearly by the same person, going under names like Ellison, Ellers, and Ellensburg. The sock-puppet commenter knows intimately the details of Greenwald’s site, including Greenwald’s arguments, his commenters, and the content of his posts and updates. He knows which Greenwald commenters used to like Greenwald, and why they stopped liking him. He is savvy about the Internet and is fully conversant with the names of all Greenwald’s critics.
His English is idiomatic and quite flowing. Like Greenwald’s own comments, there are occasional mistakes of spelling and verb-subject agreement, but the English shows strong signs of someone fully conversant with idiomatic expressions. He uses phrases that Greenwald uses, like “to recap:” and “I love how . . .”
Although Greenwald often comes on to comment threads to defend himself under his own name, Greenwald and his sock-puppets don’t seem to show up in the same threads. Apparently, when a same-IP commenter shows up to defend Greenwald, Greenwald himself doesn’t feel the need to defend himself in the same threads. As Ace has shown, it has happened that the same-IP commenter says things in comments one day, and these observations show up in Greenwald’s posts the next day.
There is a motive: the same-IP commenter gets to say things about Greenwald’s greatness that would be unseemly if they appeared over his name.
The evidence goes on and on.
Is it possible it’s Greenwald’s boyfriend instead of Greenwald — as Greenwald has intimated (but has not affirmatively claimed)? Yeah, it’s remotely possible, based on the facts we know now.
But if it’s Greenwald’s boyfriend, then Greenwald participated in a charade of not knowing who the boyfriend was, and allowing him to “e-mail” him for a response that the boyfriend could have simply asked him for.
I think it’s him. And I think there’s a reason he’s not telling us more: people who know the boyfriend wouldn’t buy it. And I also wonder why a boyfriend this obsessive about protecting Greenwald’s good name hasn’t yet stepped up to the plate and taken the heat.
An explanation of how this all came about is here. And a full summary of all the evidence is still to come. Stay tuned.
While laying out the evidence is necessary, I agree with Instapundit that the WuzzaDem puppet show is the best link on this so far, followed by the poster at Ace’s.
Tim Lambert turns up to decry accusations of Greenwald sock-puppetry in 3… 2… 1…
Comment by Brett — 7/20/2006 @ 1:21 am
Looks a bit, how you say, Hiltzikian, doesn’t it? Or is it Hiltzikesque?
Comment by Sean M. — 7/20/2006 @ 1:55 am
I don’t see what the big deal is.
Comment by Svenn Sveenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 2:58 am
Glenn Greenwald’s IP Address Stolen…
Last night, I posted of Rusty Shackleford’s coming under simultaneous assualt from the Islamists and the Indian government. This morning, I learn that lefty blogger extraordinaire Glenn Greenwald–who is a famous constitutional scholar, has…
Trackback by Outside The Beltway | OTB — 7/20/2006 @ 3:24 am
I’m not a douche!
Comment by Glenn Greenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 3:41 am
You’re all just jealous of the guy. Glenn Greenwald is so not a douche.
Comment by Ellison — 7/20/2006 @ 3:43 am
What Ellison said. How can anybody who worked at a prestigious law firm be a douche, you douche?
Comment by Sam Mathews — 7/20/2006 @ 3:46 am
Greenwald is so much more accomplished than you fuckwitted addlefucks. He’s also a hell of a lot more civil than you assclowns. In fact, I’ll bet that’s why he gets to you fuckwitted fucktards so much, it’s fucking civility, isn’t it? Stupid fucknozzle.
Comment by Wilson — 7/20/2006 @ 3:49 am
Another Ellison post here.
Comment by Ellison — 7/20/2006 @ 3:57 am
And a surprisingly sensible post here.
Comment by Ellison — 7/20/2006 @ 3:59 am
Oh, Ellison! You’re so brave!
Nice finds. Just how funny can all this get?
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 4:05 am
[…] If you’ve read my grand fisking (the real thing, that is, not just the Cliff Notes) you might find it hard to imagine what new kind of dirt there could possibly be on someone as serially mendacious as he. Ace and Patterico and Ace have the goods. * And if anyone other than Glenn Greenwald has recently posted a comment about Glenn Greenwald on your blog using the IP address 201.37.43.117, so do you. […]
Pingback by damnum absque injuria » More Greenwald Dishonesty — 7/20/2006 @ 4:12 am
Maybe Hiltzik borrowed the IP for a few days …
Comment by Don Surber — 7/20/2006 @ 4:13 am
Ok, someone, help me out. What is the significance of having the same IP address? Does that mean it came from the same computer, or just the same service, or what?
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 4:16 am
OMG NOT AGAIN!
Comment by Dwilkers — 7/20/2006 @ 4:18 am
I’m really looking for a way to get out of the spiral of increasingly personal, nasty, venal, inside-baseball, destructive behavior that is so typical of the Internet. – Patterico 7/13/06
Well, that didn’t last very long, did it?
Comment by Psyberian — 7/20/2006 @ 4:19 am
Didn’t Deb Frisch state that some of the comments attributed to her at Goldstein’s site weren’t hers? And didn’t Goldstein say that he had the IP addresses to prove it?
Seems to be a little bit of that going around, doesn’t it?
Comment by Nikki — 7/20/2006 @ 4:35 am
Congratulations on a good catch. No, I’m not kidding–I do not like the sockpuppetry business. I don’t think it invalidates everything he’s ever written, but is it extremely lame? Yes, yes it is, and I’ll cheerfully condemn it as such.
(Full disclosure: I sockpuppeted someone myself once. I felt like such dirt about it, I confessed to it promptly and swore off the practice. Still, doesn’t exactly leave my hands clean.)
Comment by ilyka — 7/20/2006 @ 4:37 am
PLEASE HELP ME!!! What is the significance of the same IP address?
Comment by Still Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 4:59 am
“Sockpuppetry” will soon be covered by the American’s with Disabilities Act. Hence these sock puppets are really victims in need of government assistance and protection from exposure.
Comment by Perfect Sense — 7/20/2006 @ 5:03 am
#19 SGK-
It means Greenwald is running around anonymously posing as other people defending himself - being his own ’sock-puppet’ ala Hiltzig.
And yes psyberian, its all about Patterico being a jerk. Its not about Greenwald being a big fat lying hypocritical sack-of-feces. That’s not it at all, so don’t even think about it.
You might want to line up all the reasons the doesn’t matter for Sir Douche and start posting them over there because he’s obviously going to need all the inventive talent he can get.
Comment by Dwilkers — 7/20/2006 @ 5:08 am
It’s either the same computer, or at least the same local network. So, it’s either GiGi or a bunch of people sharing his router.
On another note, with all this resume pimping I notice that something seems to be missing. Has GiGi ever won a notable case?
I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me that such would be the standard for claims of lawyerly excellence.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 5:12 am
So here is my remaining IP question: Could it be possible that there is in fact more than one person, using the same service? What could be the scope of a given IP address? Could it theoretically apply to thousands of users?
Just trying to nail this down…
Comment by Gotta Know More — 7/20/2006 @ 5:14 am
Patterico:
Common Sockpuppetry — Cecilosis Clampettitis — appears, like AIDS, to be a disease that does not discriminate on the basis of political philosophy. Didn’t you say that Professor John Lott got caught at it, posting comments as “Mary Rosh” praising Lott’s scholarship?
So we have Lott, Hiltzik, Greenwald… and more to come. Will this end up like the Jack Abramoff tar-baby?
(Or does memory fail me again? They say the mind is the second thing to go; I forget what the first thing is.)
On a slightly more serious note, this is a bizarre behavior that I simply cannot understand. But that’s probably because my ego is of the colossal, towering kind that cannot bear seeing my words in print (or phosphor) without my actual name attached.
Drove me out of my mind when one of my Trek books was published with “by Daffyd ab Hugh” on the cover. Like Sweeny Todd, I never forgot and I never forgave.
Dafydd
Comment by Dafydd — 7/20/2006 @ 5:19 am
Hi. Herbie the WonderDog here. I’m borrowing Dwilkers’s computer, but don’t worry because I’m NOT HIM!
You guys should listen to Dwilkers because he’s smart. Plus he takes good care of his dogs.
Comment by Herbie the WonderDog — 7/20/2006 @ 5:19 am
Theoretically, it could happen with a dial up service like AOL which has thousands of IP’s and assigns them as customers dial in. (This is known as dynamic IP addressing) The odds of this being the case are about the same as the odds of the dozen monkeys typing for an hour and a half and duplicating Shakespeare. From Uraguay.
It could also happen if there were several people who used the same WiFi hotspot, which would put GiGi and the 3 sock puppets in the same physical location, ie. one on his left foot, one on his right foot and one on his…er, his…um….New York Times bestselling book.
I believe the burden of proof now belongs to GiGi, Ellison, Sam and Wilson. However, in the interest of full disclosure, I believe that I may have located Wilson.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 5:27 am
Pablo in the interest of full disclosure I note that the referenced photo of Wilson is a replica, which raises the possibility that there is more than one Wilson.
Comment by Rick O'Shea — 7/20/2006 @ 5:36 am
Your implication that there’s some problem with Mr. Greenwald’s IP, or that he’s done ANYTHING untoward at all is vile and I condemn it.
Furthermore, Mr. Greenwald is not a Douchebag, and that’s something I should know.
Comment by Massengill — 7/20/2006 @ 5:41 am
Looks like we’ve found Wilson’s Johnson.
Comment by IP Master — 7/20/2006 @ 5:43 am
Which sock puppet are you, again…?
Comment by Kent — 7/20/2006 @ 6:01 am
Whois.sc puts this IP address in brazil. It could be part of a Tor network. Unless glenn is there.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 6:03 am
The country in which I have now lived for a year, Brazil…
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 6:07 am
Every computer must have a unique IP address in order to function. Now, a series of computers behind a proxy all have unique IPs, but the proxy / firewall will have it’s own IP which it will use to access things on the outside of its network. So, if computer 1 has an IP of 192.168.1.5, computer 2 - 192.168.1.6 and the firewall has an IP of 231.235.17.2, when both computers 1 and 2 access a site, the site will log the ip as 231.235.17.2. This happens in corporations, wifi spots, or home networks where there are multiple computers.
It absolutely means that if you get 3 comments from 3 different people all with the same IP address that they are either the same PC or that they are being accessed through the same network. I’m not sure if AOL or other major online services proxy their connections, but 201.37.43.117 does not appear to be AOL. That IP belongs to Virtua.com.
So, it is a safe, although not foolproof, assumption that it is the same person.
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 6:11 am
Get Ready For The Latest Blog Dustup!…
Heh. A little fancy detective work by some righty bloggers may have Glenn Greenwald looking a little silly.
From Patterico:
Boy, we sure do have a dedicated Glenn Greenwald fan there.
Or should I say “fans”?
Because these comments are,…
Trackback by Iowa Voice — 7/20/2006 @ 6:11 am
Oops. My mistake. The IP does not belong to Virtua.com. I missed the .br extension which I believe is Brazil.
Regardless, the fact is that if the same IP is used for the same 3 comments, it is most likely the same person or group of people from the same office / house.
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 6:13 am
Robb-
So far so good, they are probably the same person, but could conceivably all work for IBM Boston branch, for example.
That in itself would be a stretch, especially given the similarities of all of the comments, but now that we know it’s a South American address, and that GG lives in South America, it looks like we’re near 100%.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 6:16 am
It looks like privacy devotees should start protecting themselves.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 6:16 am
Possible, but unlikely. Some dial-up services assign different IP addresses for each session, but if Greenwald had used a service like that, his own IP address would change every time, too. Plus, while it would be odd for a Greenwald sycophant who subscribes to the same dial-up service to just “happen” upon an IP address Greenwald himself had used in prior sessions, what are the odds of three separate individuals all winning that same lottery in three separate sessions within a relatively short time frame? So I think we can easily exclude the dialup/dynamic IP option.
That leaves us with the usual default option: the IP address is his, and every post originating from it is one that originated from under his own roof - or possibly within a couple hundred feet outside it, if the commenters are all bandwidth thieves taking advantage of an unsecured wireless router.
Comment by Xrlq — 7/20/2006 @ 6:16 am
Pablo,
Glenn won a couple of decisions regarding tax status for the Hale’s religious organization, World Church, and had some defendent-beneficial evidentiary rulings in the Hale case as well.
The problem is that Glenn wants to be all that and a bag of chips. Glenn’s got no legal bag of chips.
.
Comment by BumperStickerist — 7/20/2006 @ 6:21 am
Why, actus, that makes sense! Congratulations, buddy!
Next we’ll work on making links that connect to the internets. But for now, let’s just bask in the glow of that last comment, shall we?
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 6:21 am
[…] Patterico finds three, count ‘em three, different entities praising Mr. Greenwald over at Ace’s site, Riehl World and Jeff Goldstein’s blog, using remarkably similar language. And like Greenwald and “Ellison,” these three share the same IP address. […]
Pingback by Hot Air » Blog Archive » Glenn Greenwald Hiltzik? — 7/20/2006 @ 6:22 am
Okay, I am so busted.
I moved in with Glenn a few months ago. Not gay or anything, I help keeps down the expenses. During my trial we got to be pretty good friends since we share a common dislike for phonies and neocon oppression. One thing led to another, and well, here I am eating some Wheat Thins in front of Glenn’s iMac.
The whole sock-puppet thing was my idea, so please don’t blame Glenn. He’s got enough going on what with the screeching hysterical attacks from unhinged rightwingers and hosting the cocktail party for Andy Sullivan this weekend.
Sometimes, Glenn just gets so tense it takes me 30 minutes to rub the kinks out of his broad, tanned shoulders. So lay off, okay?
Comment by Matthew Hale — 7/20/2006 @ 6:27 am
I’d just like to state, for the record, that actus is NOT one of Greenwald’s near-infinite number of online sock puppets.
He enjoys having Greenwald’s hand up his butt for entirely different reasons.
Comment by Kent — 7/20/2006 @ 6:27 am
Matthew is such a handsome man, and I’m not GG, I swear.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 6:30 am
I’m not Glenn Greenwald, either. Although I do want him.
Comment by Sullivan's Beagle — 7/20/2006 @ 6:34 am
Guys, don’t miss the update. There are more.
Comment by Patterico — 7/20/2006 @ 6:36 am
Hit it. Two times.
The beagle, I mean.
Comment by Deb Frisch, No, Really, I Swear — 7/20/2006 @ 6:38 am
Actually, I am Spartacus.
Comment by wilson — 7/20/2006 @ 6:39 am
Okay, I’m not really Spartacus. He just lets me use his ip address.
Comment by wilson — 7/20/2006 @ 6:43 am
He could doubtless boots those numbers to Greenwald levels easily, were he to post under even half as many sock puppet I.D.s as The Master Prevaricator his own busted, bucktoothed self.
Glenn Greenwald: “The Jessie Macbeth of the Blogosphere.” Heh.
Comment by Kent — 7/20/2006 @ 6:43 am
Spartacus was also a handsome man, and not from South America, so we know he wasn’t GG.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 6:45 am
Oops. The actual link was supposed to go to tor.eff.org. It looks like the comment form adds in the http prefix if you leave it off, and adds in the link to the current thread. I have no idea if that is RFC compliant behavior.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 6:45 am
Not to carry water for Greenwald, but isn’t it possible to spoof an IP address (raw sockets and all that)? Or is the blogging system on the site in question immune to that?
Comment by DrSteve — 7/20/2006 @ 6:48 am
I am spoofing Spartacus’s email addy. Yeah, yeah that’s the ticket.
Comment by wilson — 7/20/2006 @ 6:51 am
Can’t you just admit that you(and Patterico and Reynolds & Goldstein and the rest of your bitter insult-spewing irrelevant losers) are drowning in jealousy?
By contrast, your “friends” spent the last few days writing posts with titles such as “Glenn Greenwald: Douchebag” and calling me a “twit,” a “liar,” etc. etc. I simply don’t engage in behavior like that. I don’t write posts using childish insults of that sort, because I just don’t need to. It’s the sign of someone who has lost control over their emotions and has nothing of substance to say.
And a rather ignominous end it is.
Heh heh heh heh heh….
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 6:51 am
Patterico the update was hilarious. So now we’re not talking sock puppets, we’re talking finger and toe puppets, and that only gets us into the 20s. GG makes Sybil look like an amateur. Uh, amateurs. Whatever.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 6:51 am
Yeah, me too I’m spoofing Spartacus’s email addy.
Comment by ellison — 7/20/2006 @ 6:52 am
And me, so am I!
Comment by sam matthews — 7/20/2006 @ 6:53 am
I just emailed Spartacus and he tells me I’m spoofing his email addy too!
Comment by ryan — 7/20/2006 @ 6:54 am
Henke busted him too? Hoo boy! Oh, the ignominity of it all!
Whatever will Mona say?
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 6:55 am
Given all the shabby revealtions of the past few hours: shouldn’t “Mona” be in exculpatory quotation marks…?
Comment by Kent — 7/20/2006 @ 7:00 am
[…] As it appears that it has happened again. Patterico has found evidence - on multiple blogs - of what very much appears to be sock-puppetry on the part of Mr. Glenn Greenwald. Boy, we sure do have a dedicated Glenn Greenwald fan there. […]
Pingback by Blue Crab Boulevard » Blog Archive » You’d Think They’d Learn — 7/20/2006 @ 7:01 am
“revealations” = revelations (obviously).
Comment by Kent — 7/20/2006 @ 7:02 am
I confess. It’s multiplacable personalities. I’m also M. Moore.
Comment by fen feenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 7:09 am
Oh, I forgot. And J. Carter.
Comment by fen feenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 7:11 am
Thanks for all the detective work, Patterico. It gave me a chance to repost my favorite photograph!
Comment by Gaius — 7/20/2006 @ 7:14 am
Yes. It’s also possible to recreate someone’s fingerprints using latext and a very, very fine Xacto blade and then put those fingerprints on a cup, throw the cup out the window, and then blame that person for littering. Which is about the same amount of effort involved in raw socket programming to frame someone for something insignificant (in the whole scheme of things) as sockpuppeting. If you were to go through that much trouble, why not just claim to be GiGi and frisch yourself into obscurity?
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 7:14 am
Robb Allen:
I understand completely what you’re saying, and I’m in agreement — especially now that it’s apparently a bumper crop of puppets, not just a couple. No, we’re well out of benefit-of-doubt territory.
There’s feasibility and likelihood, and the two are different.
Comment by DrSteve — 7/20/2006 @ 7:20 am
“Wilson’s” IP is 201.17.101.161
Is that an IP Greenwald used?
[Yes. On my blog. Also, it was used by Ellers at Henke’s. [UPDATE: I originally said by Greenwald at Henke’s, but that was a misstatement.] — Patterico] [UPDATE 7-23-06: I just found the e-mail from Henke, and it was actually 201.37.43.117 that Ellers used — one that matches up with several of the Greenwald and other sock puppet comments. I’ll have a post on all this eventually. — P]
I’ll grab a screenshot when I get a chance.
[I’ll see if I can get Xrlq to get one of my log. — P]
I sure hope it isn’t him. Not after Andrew Sullivan gave him such a ringing endorsement.
Comment by Jeff G — 7/20/2006 @ 7:30 am
So to connect the dots:
–Glenn Greenwald has a menagerie imaginary people hocking his credentials, defending his positions, and attacking his opponents
–GG is sensitive to the fact that his comments generate IP addresses so he avoids that by sending comments to third-party sites
This isn’t just ‘dishonest,’ it’s fraud, and GG is batshit crazy.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 7:30 am
Now we know who bought all those books.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 7:33 am
Glenn is currently travelling. His response to these scurrilous accusations will be delivered upon his return — in 6 months.
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 7:38 am
The use of phony IDs to post book reviews on Amazon is well known and that is what tripped up Lott. A couple of years ago, the Canadian Amazon site had a software glitch that suddenly, and for one or two days only, changed all anonymous reviews to the real identity of the reviewer. It was hilarious as lots of book reviews turned out to be written by the authors.
There the motivation was at least clear. Authors like good reviews and, if you can’t get a few from readers, why not do it yourself. In this case, there seems to be a sick need for praise and to blast political opponents. Greenwald could truely rest on his laurels but seems driven to attack his perceived enemies. His book did sell well, although there seems to be questions about how that happened. It was similar with Hiltzik. I had a venomous e-mail exchange with him when I wrote a letter to the Times complaining about his writing on some topic. His replies got increasingly unhinged.
These guys duplicate the loony left in miniature. They can’t debate because they cannot accept the premise that opponents have reasonable arguments. You agree with them or you are evil. Or stupid, as seems to be the theme on Bush. Now this sort of zealotry has gotten another of them in trouble. It’s well deserved. I doubt he will learn anything from it, though.
Comment by Mike K — 7/20/2006 @ 7:40 am
Sir Douche is claiming he didn’t do it.
How many identities are we up to now? He implies it is people that live with him that are posting.
It must be damn hard to get time on that computer.
Comment by Dwilkers — 7/20/2006 @ 7:41 am
Hey Patterico, get a load of this. Now that you’ve moved on to bigger and better things, the Sadly Nobodies at the Poor blog are feeling neglected.
Comment by Xrlq — 7/20/2006 @ 7:42 am
In a number of these posts the writer, whether it be eliison or wilson or any of the rest, claims that he has just emailed greenwald. Why would you have emailed someone you’re living with? And did greenwald actually receive these emails?
Comment by corvan — 7/20/2006 @ 7:46 am
Corvan please.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 7:47 am
Correction, Glenn is back from his travels and addresses everything but the I.P. Address issue.
So, I guess we’re all done, here.
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 7:49 am
Response to right-wing personal attacks
Posted by Glenn Greenwald, 7/20/06 7:53 am
Comments left in blogs
A new accusation is that I’ve been engaging in so-called “sock puppetry” by leaving comments in response to posts that attack me under other names., i.e., that I use multiple names to comment and the same comment was left at several blogs by the same IP address under different names.
Not frequently, I leave comments at blogs which criticize or respond to something I have written. I always, in every single instance, use my own name when doing so. I have never left a single comment at any other blog using any name other than my own, at least not since I began blogging. IP addresses signify the Internet account one uses, not any one individual. Those in the same household have the same IP address. In response to the personal attacks that have been oozing forth these last couple of weeks, others have left comments responding to them and correcting the factual inaccuracies, as have I. In each case when I did, I have used my own name.
Comment by AMackoshi — 7/20/2006 @ 7:53 am
So, this lays the foundation for his partner writing numerous posts.
Got it?
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 7:53 am
[…] With a very valuable assist from LC & IB Patterico. […]
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They must have big honking houses in Brazil. I don’t get it, he claims that all of these people live in the same house, and all send comments parroting the same stuff to different conservative blogs?
I am just flabberghasted by his comment. It makes no sense whatsoever. So now he’s a fraud AND a bald-faced liar.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 8:02 am
Amidst all this hoo-ha about IP addresses, you’ve all managed to turn away from Greenwald’s indisputably accurate point: that righty blogs routinely wish for the death, imprisonment, torture, etc., of their opponents. One of the owners of Redstate said he wished for the day when all liberals are dead and in hell. LGF is so full of racists that they had to install a wordfilter so when their Klan-loving audience joked about “ragheads” the word would be replaced with “Arabs.” And just today Cruella Coulter “joked” about sending anthrax to the New York Times to try to kill them all, a sequel to her previous endorsement of terrorist attacks against New York.
Stop sniveling about whether there are one or two Greenwalds and admit that he (or they) called your buddies out as the violent maniacs they are.
Comment by TTT — 7/20/2006 @ 8:06 am
Saw mention of this above, but I suspect that “Mona” is another one of Greenwald’s sock puppets.Anyone got an ip on “her.”
Comment by Jim in Chicago — 7/20/2006 @ 8:14 am
I have never left a single comment at any other blog using any name other than my own, at least not since I began blogging. IP addresses signify the Internet account one uses, not any one individual. Those in the same household have the same IP address.
So he obviously saying that his partner was the one posting under different names defending him.
Nice out.
I find it amusing that some people would snarl about the way some rightwing blogs or commenters are so vicious in their attacks. Do the guys read the #1 blog on the left??? 2 million hits a day! KOS. It doesn’t get more mean and vicious than his blog. It just doesn’t. Pretending to take the high road is laughable.
Comment by Rightwingsparkle — 7/20/2006 @ 8:14 am
Go get’em T3!~
Comment by Mathew Sams (a.k.a TTT) — 7/20/2006 @ 8:14 am
Does Triple T’s comment qualify as a Godwin’s Law entry?
Comment by Mathew Sams (a.k.a TTT) — 7/20/2006 @ 8:16 am
Rope. Tree. TTT.
Some assembly required.
Thanks for stopping by. Oh, and I condemn your comment and mine.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 8:16 am
BTW, isn’t it like 6 GiGi’s now? That’s a lot of douchebags!
I also condemn this comment.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 8:20 am
An Alternative Theory to Greenwald’s “Sockpuppetry”…
I almost did not get involved in this, as it requires speculation about the semi-private affairs of an individual blogger. However, the issue here, to me, is sloppy thinking on the part of many, as well as public conclusions being drawn where evidenc…
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lol, Family Guy reference.
I would like to see Glenn at least take a stab at the IP address claim. It doesn’t help him by letting it sit out there unaddressed. Then again, maybe the “Townhouse” people sent out a scientology cease & decsist notice to all members.
These homosexual cowards are pathetic. Offshoring their sexual identity is anti-american. These Benedick’d Arnolds are traitors to the IRS.
Comment by Gabriel Sutherland — 7/20/2006 @ 8:26 am
Woah, what difference does it make if it’s GG or his partner? It’s a distinction without a difference. One (two) person is running around to various sites posing as various people. GG obviously knows about it and condones it, and his defense is the Clintonian “IS” defense.
And TTT, fuck off.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 8:29 am
Can you picture Glenn pleading with his partner right now…
“Honey, someone’s got to take the bullet here, and I’m a highly-regarded, New York Times Best- Selling constitutional…”
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 8:34 am
(1) This whole GG thing is an asbolute hoot. I mean, it amazes me really. How can one guy have so many boyfriends in one house!
(2) TTT, in order to claim any significant authority in your statement, you must tie the claims of the erstwhile bloggers on the left with facts that support them. Second hand crap doesn’t count. Links with supporting information, or direct quotes with attributions are necessary. If you don’t have those, don’t just walk in a say “What they said!” and expect to get any respect or acknowledgement. Geez. Your post is SO lame!
Comment by idgit — 7/20/2006 @ 8:39 am
Anyone thought to check TTT’s ip address?
Just sayin’.
Comment by Slublog — 7/20/2006 @ 8:39 am
Does Glenn Greenwald like my poetry? Because if so, I'm flattered. After all, he's a NYT bestseller! And Russ Feingold reads him. All after only 9 months of writing measured, reasonable arguments of the sort lauded by conservatives Andr…
In a post I did a last Wednesday taking Glenn Greenwald to task for being such a disingenuous hack, a chap named "Wilson" showed up and wrote the following in response to another commenter's curiosity about why so many "on the extre…
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Pingback by Publius Pundit - Blogging the democratic revolution — 7/20/2006 @ 8:44 am
“Woah, what difference does it make if it’s GG or his partner? It’s a distinction without a difference.”
It makes all the difference in the world. The original claim is that Greenwald may be engaging in sock puppetry. It he didn’t make those posts, but instead his partner did, then he did not engage in sock puppetry.
Now, if it was his partner who made those posts, did he ask his partner to do so? Did he know that his partner made those posts? We don’t know. But the possibility (maybe even likelihood, given Greenwald’s response) that his partner made those posts, and not Greenwald, would directly refute the claim of sock puppetry.
Comment by unceph — 7/20/2006 @ 8:46 am
#98 - OK, then let Greenwald come out with an admission that his partner has engaged in this massive (at least 5 “pretend” identities known so far) sock puppetry.
But don’t hold your breath.
Comment by anon — 7/20/2006 @ 8:50 am
Only if you choose to believe Greenwald.
Comment by err — 7/20/2006 @ 8:50 am
Greenwald has already intimated that his partner is going down for this. (bad pun)
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 8:50 am
[…] Patterico has more. Because these comments are, after all, from three completely “different” people. Again: the first comment is from a guy named “Ellison.” And the second is from a different guy, named “Sam Mathews.” And the third is from a different guy still — one named “Wilson.” […]
Pingback by The Real Ugly American.com » Blog Archive » This is going to leave a Mark — 7/20/2006 @ 8:51 am
Glenn rocks and people who live in the same house agree and defend him…….OR…..he is so computer ignorant that he didn’t know about IP adresses.
9 out of 10 morons believe the latter.
Comment by Ken — 7/20/2006 @ 8:51 am
5 confirmed alter egos and not one Brazilian name? What kind of Brazilian is this partner?
Comment by Gabriel Sutherland — 7/20/2006 @ 8:53 am
Haven’t had time to read all the comments, so not sure whether this possible explanation has been mentioned:
Is it possible that the same IP appears from several commenters since it’s a dummy generated by IP anonymizng software?
I have no experience with those (I didn’t even realize they existed until I read Ace), but is that plausible?
Comment by CalDevil — 7/20/2006 @ 8:54 am
Really, if Glenn has his hand up its ass, what’s the difference?
Not unless he’s got a man harem.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 9:00 am
[…] A: if he’s a Lyin’ Lefty, why yes. Yes, he would. But really, he’s way more likely to do the impugning himself, and use a fake name to hide behind while doing it. The douchebag denies it, but as Patterico says…well, read the comments to his post. They’re hilarious. […]
Pingback by Cold Fury » Blog Archive » Busted! Uhh, again! — 7/20/2006 @ 9:01 am
CalDevil: Yep. It is plausible. But why would Glenn use a proxy if he wants to post as himself? And not just any proxy, the same exact proxy that his sock puppets are using?
This was the correct reply to the proxy claim.
Comment by Gabriel Sutherland — 7/20/2006 @ 9:01 am
well, lets review, Greenwald starts a blog war over Misha’s hyperbole about judges, in contrast his own excusing of Matt Hale’s threats as “overheated rhetoric”, Greenwald book was commisioned by a telecom company “to find ways to bring the progressive message into larger media”, not to mention his involvement in the Townhouse list, which is not a stretch to imagine was used for behind-the-scenes coordination, and now 4, 5, or so commenters are posting from the same IP address to defend him, and people are supposed to believe Greenwald is not involved? Please…
Comment by err — 7/20/2006 @ 9:02 am
#103:
“…….OR…..he is so computer ignorant that he didn’t know about IP adresses.
…….OR…..he was so computer savvy that he made sure to leave one and only one IP address under one and only one pseudonym at each web-log. And he (whichever he it turns out to be) never appears to have commented as a sock-puppet at a web-log where Glenn Greenwald had left a remark under his own name. Seemingly a good effort to frustrate the type of IP sleuthing that led to Michael Hlitzik’s unmasking at this very site.
Comment by AMackoshi — 7/20/2006 @ 9:02 am
#105 - It would be plausible - barely - if it were maybe ONE other commentor.
It’s certainly not plausible if we’re talking about an army of commentors, all eagerly defending Glenn in near-identical points and language.
Comment by anon — 7/20/2006 @ 9:02 am
Outing Glenn Greenwald…
It appears that leftist blogger Glenn Greenwald, author of ‘How Would a Patriot Act’, might actually want to re-title the book ‘How Would An Expatriate Act’. Dan Riehl puts on his investigative glasses and gives us a look at the real Glenn Greenwal…
Trackback by PunditGuy — 7/20/2006 @ 9:06 am
CalDevil,
Not really. If you’re talking about 5 different people using the same software that just happens to utilize the exact same node (out of what theoretically is at least thousands of possible nodes), well you’re better off betting yellow on the roulette wheel.
I’m not here to defend Patty or GiGi. But, as a interweb developer (I work with ‘tubes’), I’m just trying to bring some facts to the table. Technically, dynamic IPs could explain this, but the chances of it are very, very, very slim. We’re talking “Tom Cruise admitting he likes the man sausage” slim.
As for the crazy notion that Glenn is blameless, well lets just say it could very well be the case. It is very apparent that sockpuppetry has been done. By someone in Brazil (or by an anonymizing node in Brazil). Glenn lives in Brazil.
If I were on a jury, that would not be enough to prove Glenn did it and I’d set him free. But someone did it - That to me, is a safe enough bet.
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 9:09 am
err: Can you or anyone explain this “Greenwald’s book was commissioned by a telecom company”? This is news to me.
Are you referring to the Working Assets Phone service?
Comment by Gabriel Sutherland — 7/20/2006 @ 9:12 am
Gabe, I can’t speak for Glenn, but one time I was commissioned by a telco to deliver some books. Big, heavy, yellow ones.
Not sure if it’s the same or not.
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 9:16 am
I’m a big fan of sock puppetry.
I often pose as myself just to confuse people.
Comment by M. Simon — 7/20/2006 @ 9:17 am
Thanks for the answers. I figured that IP cloakers would use lots of different IPs, but wasn’t sure.
Comment by CalDevil — 7/20/2006 @ 9:22 am
Glenn writes in response…
Sounds like he is suggesting that his partner is commenting in his defense (using different alias’s)
Comment by topsecretk9 — 7/20/2006 @ 9:24 am
Here are two possible scenarios:
#1: Glenn is angry about the attacks (his word) from the right, so he goes and makes multiple posts defending himself under various pseudonyms.
#2: Glenn’s partner is upset that Glenn is being attacked (his word) by members of the right blogosphere. Without Glenn’s knowledge (because he doesn’t want to make Glenn mad), he posts multiple positive comments about Glenn on several blogs, using a different pseudonym each time. Glenn finds out about it when the right blogosphere points out the similar IP addresses.
Here’s why I find scenario #2 to be more plausible: A) Glenn has plenty of supporters willing to run to his defense — why would he need to pretend to be someone else to defend himself?; B) Glenn has shown no compunction to shrink from defending himself directly, so why would he do so anonymously?; C) Glenn is likely familiar with the idea of sock puppetry, and recognizes that it is a big “no no” for prominent bloggers.
Now, does this *prove* that #2 is right? Of course not. There are, I’m sure, an infinite number of possible scenarios. My point is simply that, given that there is no direct evidence that Glenn engaged in sock puppetry, and given that there are numerous scenarios in which he was not responsible for the posts and may not even have known about the posts, building an argument on the supposition that Glenn engaged in sock puppetry (or is somehow answerable for his partner’s actions) is not logical.
This whole thing strikes me as a hoped-for campfire that looked like it would catch fire, but the kindling turned out to be too wet.
Comment by unceph — 7/20/2006 @ 9:25 am
Wow, a real online stalker.
Comment by Sky-Ho — 7/20/2006 @ 9:30 am
wachtell, lipton is the most selective law firm? who knew?
200 blog hits a day is just somebody’s mother and her friends? that’s a lot of friends!
i’ve never read glenn greenwald, but he’s starting to sound like a douchebag.
Comment by assistant devil's advocate — 7/20/2006 @ 9:30 am
Aww, c’mon, Patterico. Did you consider the possbility that some of Greenwald’s friends might have been at his house, using his ‘puter to post replies?
No, really, it could happen…couldn’t it?
Anyway, thanks for exposing another case of sock puppet theatrics. It always makes for great blogging material.
Regards,
-the Canine Pundit
http://caninepundit.blogspot.com/
Comment by Sirius Familiaris — 7/20/2006 @ 9:32 am
#119 - And you know what would prove your #2 is right?
If GLENN ADMITTED IT.
Credibility starts with admitting the truth. Glenn has posted a self-pitying defense (Patterico linked above) full of straw men and refusing to admit that someone - him, someone else, whoever - has been engaging in sock puppets massively on his behalf.
Glenn should start by just admitting the latter basic fact.
Comment by anon — 7/20/2006 @ 9:33 am
The real issue here is that you have forced him to respond, as much as he hates to, you know, write about himself.
That is time he could have spent writing yet another withering post on BushCo, or even banging out a chapter for his next bestseller… Hmm, I guess that means you have done the world a favor.
Why are those on the left so techinically ignorant? All that creative progressive thinking doesn’t leave any time for the basic understanding of how things work? Or is that they just assume they can never get caught?
Comment by OCSteve — 7/20/2006 @ 9:36 am
#114: Details down in this thread at QandO, by commenter which refers to here.
Comment by err — 7/20/2006 @ 9:40 am
I think you need to get laid.
Comment by urizon — 7/20/2006 @ 9:47 am
Wow! Great detective work. Especially the team effort. You guys are a cyberspace version of MI5. Next assignment: Determination of the color of the sky.
Comment by dylan — 7/20/2006 @ 9:49 am
I think you need to get laid.
Mr. Urizon, are you seducing us?
Comment by Slublog — 7/20/2006 @ 9:51 am
Aww, c’mon, Patterico. Did you consider the possbility that some of Greenwald’s friends might have been at his house, using his ‘puter to post replies?
No, really, it could happen…couldn’t it?
And you could get a brain.
So what is your point?
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 9:55 am
[…] More Sock-Puppetry discovered at Patterico! Three very similar comments at Ace’s, Dan Riehl’s, and Jeff Goldstein’s blogs. For the story go here. This time it’s Glenn Greenwald’s fan club - all located at the same IP. He reports, you decide. […]
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Check unceph’s IP!
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 9:55 am
Because he’s Glenn “I don’t engage in that sort of behavior” Greenwald, but he had some “childish insults” he wanted to use.
I see two other possibilities. Either his partner is humping his CV under 5 different names (sockpuppetry), or he has a Brazilian man harem that likes to go and defend his honor on American blogs.
Which one of those do you like?
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:00 am
IP addresses signify the Internet account one uses, not any one individual. Those in the same household have the same IP address.
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
It wasn’t Glenn, it was one of his “friends.”
Unreal.
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 10:00 am
Glenn Greenwald needs defending?! From what, the likes of you?!!
Someone is in such desperate need of a life. I mean, really. This is the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen, and I’ve worked voting sites in the South.
Comment by I'd TotallyDo Glenn Greenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 10:01 am
ok, so Greenwald’s boyfriend or mom or somebody went around leaving comments supporting Glenn on blogs, and used different names. So what?
(from #123:) refusing to admit that someone - him, someone else, whoever - has been engaging in sock puppets massively on his behalf.
Um, it isn’t ’sock puppets’ if someone else is doing it. That pretty much follows from the whole definition/concept of ’sock puppet.’
Comment by greenwald's IP address — 7/20/2006 @ 10:01 am
Those aren’t the only possibilities. IP addresses can be spoofed, and computers can be hacked. Someone could maliciously be doing this. How likely is it that someone would want to discredit GG? I don’t think COINTELPRO exists anymore. Do people think that exists? do they want it to exist?
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:04 am
THEY’RE BLOGGING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE, actus! GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!!!
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:08 am
So pathetic.
Comment by mantis — 7/20/2006 @ 10:08 am
THEY’RE DISCREDITING HIM BY CORRECTING THE FACTUAL INACCURACIES! FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE! RUN!!!!
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:10 am
from #133:
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
It wasn’t Glenn, it was one of his “friends.”
Unreal.
Closeted much?
Comment by greenwald's IP address — 7/20/2006 @ 10:11 am
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Maybe a bunch of Kos Kids broke into Greenwald’s house and took over. Hey, it happened to Ned Lamont…
Comment by Paul Zrimsek — 7/20/2006 @ 10:18 am
actus, I can’t believe you get your shoes tied in the morning without somehow accidentally shutting off the circulation to your fingers when you get the words messed up to the shoe tying song.
Again - Yes, IP’s can be spoofed at a high cost of effort. Especially in the stateless protocol world of HTTP, making these types of requests is dodgy because you wouldn’t be able to get the response stating if your request went through. It’s good for DDOS and spamming, not good for individual comments.
As for discrediting Glenn, why not frisch him? Why not post as Glenn and say awful stuff about someone’s child? Using the same IP that Glenn used minutes before would be fairly damning evidence.
Not that I expect logic to help you here, but seriously dude, do you do anything else in life besides reflexively post contradictions with no logical backing?
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 10:20 am
Well all I know is that Glenn is a very good writer of the English language — at least he can produce perfect punctuation and sentence structure. I just find it amazing that all of those Brazilians living with him can too!
Comment by scottyb — 7/20/2006 @ 10:22 am
Hmmm. I seem to have left a closing tag off somewhere. Damn this IP spoofing software and it’s inability to…
Ooops.
Comment by Robb Allen — 7/20/2006 @ 10:22 am
I gotta say, if all of these posts were in fact GG speaking out of various appendages, then GG is a lying liar and I’m sure he would be more than happy to lie about it again, especially since he has plausible denial, ie the reason he has provided. It was someone else in the house.
But if this dude, Ms. Greenwald, is Brazilian, which I believe he is, there is no way it could be him. The language used in the posts is from a native speaker. In fact, to me the various sock puppet comments sound an awful lot like GG to me. It would be interesting to cross-reference the comments with everything else GG has written, people tend to use the same sentence structure and phrases consistently over time.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 10:22 am
Scottyb that’s exactly what I meant, you beat me to it. Or are we the same person?
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 10:24 am
I can only wonder at how you Rightblogs missed the
whole “no weapons of mass destruction” thing. I mean , if you’d devoted as much intellectual bandwidth to matters of actual importance as you did to this matter, perhaps today we wouldn’t be stuck in an quagmire.
Your screen shot was of an archived SN ad - which means they no longer sell that product, correct? The threats to journalists and governmental officials is more current, and specific than these ads. A generic call to hang republicans is equated with calls to violence against specific individuals? To get Frischy, it’s like calling for the deaths of all republican children, as opposed to specifically calling for the deaths of the children of rightwing bloggers - but I suspect the difference will be lost on you.
Comment by barfly — 7/20/2006 @ 10:25 am
I think its improbable that somoeone is spoofing. Not impossible. Other than spoofing, it would take someone with authorized or unauthorized access to his IP. I don’t know what the probabilities of that are, but I would hope that someone like a prominent blogger who leaves their IP around would have good security.
I’m trying to strenghten the logic. Claims that the only possible choices are glenn or someone he authorized are incorrect. Those are the probable choices. Not the possible ones.
That might work. I can think of reasons why it would be more unbelievable than the current claim, but it might work.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:25 am
cute.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:26 am
143 comments! No wonder you’re after GG patteric0-
You’re a blogging parasite on Greenwald the way Weird Al is a musical parasite on real bands’ videos.
Maybe you should try getting some comments for your own thoughts.
Comment by creepy dude — 7/20/2006 @ 10:27 am
Actus is right, for months I’ve been thinking of ways to ruin GG’s credibility. I just knew, knew that if I defended him on wing-nuts sights that every one would lose all confidence in what he said, expecially all us folks on the left who all love, love the right so. Therefore I spent weeks learning how to spoof another person’s ip adress. Then I put my fiendish plan into action. First, I posted messages, all of them compliemntary to Mr. Greenwald, on wingers sites. Then I ran to the grassy knoll and contacted the ghost of Jack Ruby. After that I went to lunch with Jason Leopold and discussed the top secret sealed, super duper under cover Rove indictment. Finally I secretly contacted Patterico, Ace, Henke, JG and all the rest, who are my unkowing dupes, and outed Greenwald as me. Of course now I’m wating to star in my very own Oliver Stone movie.
Comment by ellison — 7/20/2006 @ 10:28 am
Actus GG never even denied that the stuff came from his machine, he just denied that he personally did it.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 10:28 am
Get a girlfriend, gentle patterico. A partner. Someone to inflate your existence with meaning.
Comment by ruble — 7/20/2006 @ 10:29 am
Ellison, what a coincidence. I did the exact same thing!
Comment by sam matthews — 7/20/2006 @ 10:30 am
I’m not addressing his denial. I’m addressing whats possible vs. whats probable.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:30 am
Yeah me too I did just what sam matthews and ellison did.
Comment by ryan — 7/20/2006 @ 10:31 am
“This is the most pathetic thing I’ve ever seen,”
No, the most pathetic thing I’ve seen was the fuss lefties were trying to make about George Bush squeezing Angela Merkel’s shoulders. That was a riot!
Comment by sharon — 7/20/2006 @ 10:32 am
Watching Glenn’s Puppets defend him is other-worldly.
“Glenn said he didn’t do it. Case closed.”
“I’ve seen Glenn sign using his name before. What POSSIBLE REASON would he comment under a pseudonym?”
“Obviously someone visitor in his home wrote the comments in defense of him.”
“You racist! Glenn’s Brazilian boyfriend speaks perfect English!”
It’s like watching a slow death. Which I often do in my spare time with my Rightwing co-conspirators. And Chimpy McHitler.
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 10:33 am
Me too, I did just what ellison and ryan and sam matthews did. And Actus caught us all at once. Damn that man is brilliant!!!
Comment by thomas ellers — 7/20/2006 @ 10:34 am
Totally, we’ve known for a while now that our president was socially retarded.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:34 am
Check unceph’s, TTT, and creepy dude’s IP’s!
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 10:36 am
Congratulations! I’m sure that you have exposed the unified field theory of the VLWC. Good work! Of course, none of you on the Right have ever posted under another anonymous name, you’ve proven yourselves to be a most objective and fair-minded group of netizens. I suppose that Glen must be a pretty big target, a real threat to the grand delusion that you all continue to support without reservation.
All in all, a good days work for the intellectual vanguard on the Right. You all deserve an extra ration of kool-aid for your brilliant detective work. Cheers!
Comment by Innocent Bystander — 7/20/2006 @ 10:38 am
“Socially retarded?” Ok actus, now you’ve gone overboard.
Comment by Gotta Know — 7/20/2006 @ 10:38 am
Actus is of course right to point out the other possible explanations behind this, though I think he stops short of getting to the real answers.
I believe that it’s possible that aliens from the outer rim of the boonmat galaxy were visiting our planet, seeking signs of intelligent life. Naturally, they immediately happened upon the most intelligent man in the universe - the man who has a New York Times bestseller and who has accumulated quite a large blog following in only nine months - Glenn Greenwald.
The aliens were immediately distressed, however, to see that the greatest intellect in the human community was being attacked by a bunch of wingnut operatives. These aliens decided to come to Mr. Greenwald’s defense. They needed a gateway to the earthly internet, however, and seeing as how they were circling over Mr. Greenwald’s house, they were able to connect through Mr. Greenwald’s IP. Now, if the movie Independence Day has taught us annything it’s that earthly and alien computer systems can easily be synced, and thus they protested on Glenn’s behalf. Several of the aliens chose to pipe in, and they scattered their comments over the wingnutosphere.
Either that, or Glenn Greenwald is a lying sack of shit who decided to engage in a bit of sock puppetry.
Comment by paul zummo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:40 am
err: You’ve peaked my interest. Something stinks about the Greenwald book promotion. It shot to #1 on Amazon.com before it was published. The first printing, 20,000 copies, was sold entirely on Amazon.com prior to publish date?
I’m going to make some calls.
Comment by Gabriel Sutherland — 7/20/2006 @ 10:40 am
“Totally, we’ve known for a while now that our president was socially retarded.”
Or at least the idiots making a sexual harassment case out of it.
Comment by sharon — 7/20/2006 @ 10:40 am
Watching Glenn’s Puppets defend him is other-worldly.
More evidence to support my theory.
Comment by paul zummo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:41 am
Closeted much?
Comment by greenwald’s IP address
HUH?
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 10:41 am
Of course, none of you on the Right have ever posted under another anonymous name
Ace’s Axiom:
Liberals will say anything to justify their behavior.
So of course we must have the obligatory “you conservatives do it too” (without evidence of course) and presto, it is ok.
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 10:43 am
Ya that was totally not harassment. She was smiling!
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:45 am
Said to self, with head bowed, eyes clenched shut, and forehead furrowed with concentration:] End the Glenn Greenwald posts, Patterico. End them. Yes, he’s a liar. Yes, he’s a putz. But he’s also not worth your time.
Life’s too short to be pissed off all the time. It’s just not worth it.
Remember that, Patterico? It was one week and five Greenwald posts ago. What a joke.
Comment by mantis — 7/20/2006 @ 10:48 am
It all makes sense now — those damn aliens did it! The ones who secretly spirited out the WMD from Iraq right before the invasion!!
Oh, the humanity!!!
Comment by unceph — 7/20/2006 @ 10:49 am
Innocent “Gigi” Bystander, well done. The Unsubstantiated Blanket Guilt defense.
That’s gonna get you far.
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 10:49 am
Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but we’ve been having a fabulous year.
Just sayin’.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 10:50 am
Okay, Actus caught me. I’m Glenn Greenwald.
Comment by Mikekoshi — 7/20/2006 @ 10:52 am
At least he tried. What’s your excuse for counting the number of times he’s posted about Gigi, hypocrite?
Even better, catching a douche sock-puppeteer and forever destroying his credibility? Game, set, match.
Comment by Mathew Sams — 7/20/2006 @ 10:52 am
#135 - Wrong - It’s still “sock puppets” even if Greenwald isn’t doing it.
“Sock puppets” is: anyone trying to appear as multiple independent people. That means:
– If Greenwald is trying to appear as 6 independent people who all happen to agree with him, Greenwald is playing sock puppets.
– If somebody else in Greenwald’s household - say, his lover - is trying to appear as 6 independent people who all happen to agree with him, then Greenwald’s lover is playing sock puppets.
Either way, (a) it’s sock puppets and (b) to a lesser or greater degree, Greenwald is involved.
Comment by anon — 7/20/2006 @ 10:54 am
179: Ok, so someone else is doing sock puppets (I mean, SOCK PUPPETS!!!) in support of Greenwald. So what?
Comment by greenwald's IP address — 7/20/2006 @ 10:57 am
Keep trying, guys. Can you prove they’re all me? I mean him? No way.
And just to prove I’m not him, you scurrilous wingnuts, I will keep this comment under 500 words.
Comment by Svenn Sveenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 10:58 am
Thats if assume that all access to someone’s IP address is authorized by that person. Which is not quite true.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 10:58 am
Thats if assume
Did I mention that these aliens might not have complete command of the English language?
Comment by paul zummo — 7/20/2006 @ 11:02 am
Like aliens. I wouldn’t let aliens use my IP address. Unless they wliked me. Like Wilson.
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 11:02 am
THE ALIENS ARE BLOGGING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE! RUUUNNNN!!!!
Comment by Pablo — 7/20/2006 @ 11:03 am
“Of course, none of you on the Right have ever posted under another anonymous name”
Actually, no, I haven’t.
“Ya that was totally not harassment. She was smiling!”
Smile or no, it wasn’t harassment. But keep trying!
Comment by sharon — 7/20/2006 @ 11:05 am
It certainly wasnt’. It was quite innocent behavior.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 11:06 am
Lust: Sock Puppets…
Esteemed Lefty Glenn Greenwald (not linked as per Ace’s VRWC instructions) looks to have been involved in some sock puppetry. Wasn’t someone else fired for that recently?
More, or actually, Real coverage:
Ace (He has lots more)
Goldstein…
Trackback by 7 Deadly Sins — 7/20/2006 @ 11:10 am
#186 - Nope. I personally keep a single, consistent name over a stretch of time, if that’s what you are referring to. However simple I may choose to make that name.
Comment by anon — 7/20/2006 @ 11:10 am
I am for believing GG. Not having been to Brazil, I think its entirely possible that gay bath houses have WIFI connections. If they do then that could explain the whole thing, including Sully recent ringing endorsement.
Comment by gmax — 7/20/2006 @ 11:16 am
Of course, none of you on the Right have ever posted under another anonymous name.
I confess - for much of my time blogging I blogged as “paul.” It was deceptive, and I apologize.
Comment by paul zummo — 7/20/2006 @ 11:17 am
Oh my gosh… Paul? Is that YOU?!?
Comment by unceph — 7/20/2006 @ 11:27 am
Thats if assume that all access to someone’s IP address is authorized by that person. Which is not quite true.
I suggest you read Greenwald’s lame defense and get some common sense.
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 11:27 am
He said he didn’t do it and added something about IP addressses coming from a household. I added more: it can come from someone with authorized as well as unathorized access to your network, and it can come from spoofing.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 11:30 am
Maybe this is how the Dems stole the election for governor in Washington state. This is one of the funniest stories I’ve read in a while.
Comment by COgirl — 7/20/2006 @ 11:32 am
I think it was Karl Rove who stole his IP to frame him. But it’s just a theory. Or that fascist Instacracker.
Comment by actuz — 7/20/2006 @ 11:38 am
[…] Everyone’s favorite pugnacious pontificator followed up here, with the curious fact that many different people who leave comments defending Greenwald share the same IP address(!)… […]
Pingback by Decision ‘08 » Blog Archive » Greenwald Attacks, Is Attacked… — 7/20/2006 @ 11:39 am
He said he didn’t do it and added something about IP addressses coming from a household. I added more: it can come from someone with authorized as well as unathorized access to your network, and it can come from spoofing.
Yes, you “added more” to try and mitigate how silly he looks.
Isn’t it funny how he didn’t mention “spoofing”?
Everyone reading knows why.
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 11:41 am
Actually I wrote what I wrote before reading his denial.
He also hasn’t mentioned that he could be hacked. I have no idea what his technical knowledge is. Lots of people here are saying the only possibility is him or someone authorized by him. Which is not technically true. So just like the people here, he could be ignorant of the technology.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 11:46 am
Greenwald = Sock Puppeteer?…
James Joyner and his cobloggers round up the blogosphere kerfuffle over whether lefty blogger extraordinaire Glenn Greenwald–who is a famous constitutional scholar, has a bestselling book, is quoted by important Senators and media types alike, and ha…
Trackback by ProfessorBainbridge.com — 7/20/2006 @ 11:48 am
Actus is right! Somebody spoofed Greenwald’s IP to… um… give fawning praise to Greenwald. Well, prove they DIDN’T!!
Comment by Svenn Sveenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 11:50 am
Oh you’ve got me wrong. I wouldn’t say someone did that. Just that its one of hte possibilities.
Though I also wouldn’t say that the fact that the content of the comments praises the guy is what makes it benevolent. Rather, thats whats damnable.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 11:56 am
Sure. One of.
Comment by Abraxas — 7/20/2006 @ 12:02 pm
Although, a real easy way to figure out if it was someone from his household — authorized or not — and not him would be to check to see if the comments were made while he was in the US or outside of brazil.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 12:04 pm
It’s a possiblity that a right-winger trained a bird (perhaps an eagle) to fly into Greenwald’s house and peck away with false messages. This way the the right-wing could frame him for “sock pupputeering” (a term I am not familer with). It’s just a theory, but probably correct.
I also eat bugs. They are yummy.
Comment by actuz — 7/20/2006 @ 12:05 pm
If Actus is right some fiend may be out there hacking hacks, Oh the humanity!
Comment by mikekoshi — 7/20/2006 @ 12:06 pm
He also hasn’t mentioned that he could be hacked. I have no idea what his technical knowledge is.
You are just looking sillier & sillier.
Lots of people here are saying the only possibility is him or someone authorized by him
Yes, and again, common sense.
You are actually suggesting someone “spoofed” Greenwald’s IP from Brazil to comment on several conservative blogs.
Comment by The Ace — 7/20/2006 @ 12:07 pm
Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Or so I’m told.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 12:08 pm
Taht maeks eevn mroe sesne!
Comment by Svenn Sveenwald — 7/20/2006 @ 12:11 pm
I’m suggesting its possible. I mean, it is damnable behavior right? Its not that they spoofed it to make him look good, but to make him look bad.
However, the most likely theory is that his partner did it, and didn’t want to identify himself. If we find a commment posted at a time that we knew glenn was not in brazil, and assume or otherwise know that glenn is not using his brazilian internet connection as a proxy server, then we know it was not him.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 12:11 pm
trackback
Comment by Tim Lambert — 7/20/2006 @ 12:13 pm
Another possibility which should be addressed is that Patterico, Jeff, Ace and others all flew to Brazil, broke into Glenn’s house and wrote comments to their respective blogs in an effort to frame Greenwald.
Come on. Lets think outside the box here people.
Comment by paul zummo — 7/20/2006 @ 12:14 pm
No, no, no, people, this conspirscy is too big for Goldstien, Frey and Ace. It has to be Darth Rove himself. Call Jason Leopold!!!
Comment by mikekoshi — 7/20/2006 @ 12:20 pm
Actus,
I really don’t think that they poster (and I would bet good money it was GiGi) expected to be busted on the IP addresses. A little too disingenuous, don’t you think? I have refrained from bashing you here and at PW because you don’t resort to profanity and have taken criticism well. After reading your recent posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are an idiot who will parse words to death rather than admit a liberal was wrong. Your ‘what-if’ scenarios are too ridiculous to dignify with a response. Heaven help us if you graduate law school and pass the bar. Give it up already.
Comment by Stashiu3 — 7/20/2006 @ 12:26 pm
Thankfully we don’t have any CREEPy plumbers anymore. So we can rule that out.
Comment by actus — 7/20/2006 @ 12:26 pm
If you assume that he is not using his home machine as a proxy, then you can assume that it was not him. If you are making assumptions, you aren’t deriving any facts.
Comment by Mark A. Flacy — 7/20/2006 @ 12:27 pm
What does that prove, actus?
Even if it was posted while GG was in Brazil, given your proposal that someone is spoofing his IP, there’s no reason to think that this spoofing didn’t happen.
Indeed, I think what you’re really trying to suggest is that someone has the potential technical ability to spoof multiple computers with a single IP address (which happens to be GG’s), and might even be able to do so while GG is using his computer!
After all, if one has such an ability, what better way to make GG look bad than to do it when he’s actually on the computer? As you note,