Donald Trump’s tweet suggesting his wife is ugly has never been deleted.
As much as I despise this clown show, I confess: I’ll be very interested to see how Cruz handles this tonight.
UPDATE: Very well done by Cruz. In light of the boos, and the chanting for an endorsement for Trump, his refusal to endorse came across as a classy, principled, and rather pointed “fuck you” to Donald Trump. I am proud of Cruz tonight.
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I’m not expecting him to excoriate Donald Trump. But I sure would like to see a shot or two.
I kind of doubt I’ll get my wish.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:10 pmI wonder if he’ll even endorse him. I have a suspicion he will, but won’t be surprised if he doesn’t.
It’s right that he should speak considering the number of votes and delegates he got. I’m glad this is happening.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:11 pmAny endorsement has got to be in the form of, “Hillary is worse.” Because I can’t see Cruz endorsing Trump on the merits, except in the most qualified, luke-warm way.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:13 pmi just hope he doesn’t do a whole bunch of lies on everybody
i hope he just does the unity
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:15 pmAmerica deserves better than Hillary Clinton OR Donald Trump, Dopey Scott Walker.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:16 pmhappyfeet, you don’t care about truth in the slightest, so why pretend you do? You’re an avid Donald Trump supporter. By definition, truth means nothing to you.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:18 pmKrauthammer, and a tape of Reagan’s fantastic speech at the 1976 convention, strongly suggest Ted will relent. So, too, does the fact that DJT and Ted had a conversation today.
Here’s what I really want…I want the pundits and the GOPe to FULLY acknowledge that Ted is the next guy in line, regardless the outcome of this election. If Ted swallows his pride and many misgivings and endorses DJT, he dang well better come out of this with ocean-sized support across the GOP.
My guess is 1) He will be the “good” guy and accede to the immense pressure to submit. 2) He won’t get near the political goodwill and capital this act of statesmanship should generate.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:19 pmUnless … he wants to be Attorney General, and see Chris Christie (who attacked him) be screwed over for two offices in a row!
That could happen.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:20 pmtruth is my favorite
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:20 pmTed will gain future voters far more than the few who will denounce him when he says he will endorse Trump.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:20 pmEd from SFV,
If Cruz endorses, I will lose respect for him as a man. After what Trump said about his wife and dad, a man would not bow down and kiss Trump’s ring.
We’ll see.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:21 pmWho the hell is this Kevin Cronin wannabe? Zoinks!!!!! Horrible. OMG, how bad is this rendition of REO Speedwagon’s Roll With the Changes?!!!!
I hope the illinois delegation is walking out.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:23 pmPat – I will, too. Yet, politics is the business he has chosen. Prices and wages are severe.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:25 pm“He has brought this party together” says this woman’s voice.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:26 pmLyin’ Ted was already upstaged once today by a Trump fly-by today.
A Canadian should know when its time to defer to an American, endorse and move on.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:27 pmThis woman doesn’t love Tiffany? lol
Just the other three?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:31 pm“And he will walk off the stage on Wednesday in the position to tell the GOP’s anti-Trump faction that he never endorsed the man they believe is destroying the party, while claiming to the party establishment that he was a team player.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438086/ted-cruz-republican-convention-speech-high-stakes-2020
That’s a mighty fine line to walk.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:31 pmYay, her skin says to endorse Donald Trump!
Wait—huh?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:31 pmAnd now the man who could have saved the party, and us. Marco “You can’t make me be a Senator!” Rubio.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:33 pmLittle Marco!
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:33 pmHe even waves like a fake.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:33 pmHere we go.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:33 pmYay, he did congratulate Trump. Way to put country before self, Ted. Hat’s off. Hillary can’t be allowed in power. Not now.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:35 pmSo far, principles, not DJT, endorsed. Pins and needles time.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:36 pmTed is putting the big issues first, over and above how he was attacked; he’s doing with Carson and others did, country first. I respect that.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:37 pmCSPAN cuts to Trump arrival at convention. Upstaged Ted again.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:38 pmThis is gonna be something. He brought the room down to its lowest point all week. Here comes the uplift. Strap in.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:39 pmSo far I have watched none of it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:43 pmThat’s Lion Ted to you, Bub.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:44 pmTony Lama boots tonight?
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:44 pmCruz is doing great: “Freedom means free speech. Not politically correct safe spaces.”
Etc.
Great speech, expertly delivered. Easy to see why Cruz did so well, compared to most other candidates, in the primaries.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:45 pmOK, this is good so far.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:46 pmDiversity!! LMAO
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:46 pmWho the hell is this Kevin Cronin wannabe? Zoinks!!!!! Horrible. OMG, how bad is this rendition of REO Speedwagon’s Roll With the Changes?!!!!
How could you tell, Ed! nnn how nncould younnn tell nnnEd? Gosh, I hate that song, that band and dat Cronin.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:48 pmI wish I could agree with you Patterico, but I just can’t. This country has for decades allowed the left to use our public schools as indoctrination camps run by unionized thugs paid by the very people whose kids were being brainwashed. At this point there have been so many leftists cranked out we are lucky anybody even knows what a conservative is. They deserve exactly what they allowed to happen.
I have little doubt at this point Hillary! will win. As you know I now spend a lot of time at home because of my lungs. I have the TV on all the time and I am on the computer all the time. I spend a few hours a day trading stocks but usually I read blogs, left, right and center. I noticed that the conservative blogs for the most part realize Trump’s an idiot but support him because Hillary! is so radical left she makes Stalin look like Carter. But we admit he’s an idiot. The left blogs all go along as if Hillary!’s lying and email, Benghazi, her hundred million dollar “charity” and all the rest don’t exist. They all love her. I could at least respect some of them if they’d do like we do and admit the broad is a $hit but they want her more than Trump but it ain’t true. They want her for real, just the corrupt, lying sack of crap way she is. They don’t care. I find it surreal that adults would just overlook characteristics of a candidate this flawed.
Also as I sit here awaiting a new lung, I’ve noticed this past week the media has switched gears and is now ready to destroy Trump. I made note that since last Friday 12 out of 12 “comedy” shows were little more than anti Trump fests of double entendres, snide remarks and in-you-face mocking. Yet not one about Hillary. As momentum gathers and the entire anti trump media, Hollywood, and schools will be all out. Hillary! will win. Our country will loose. I’m glad Trump won the primary in a way. I’d rather see the jackals rip apart the carcass of a buffoon like Trump than a decent guy like Cruz.
Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:50 pmTed has a winning and enduring message with what’s about to come. FREEDOM!
Excellent positioning.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:50 pmRev. Hoagie, all the best.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:52 pmCruz is trying, and doing well at, positioning himself as a credible alternative in 2020 if Trump loses. He is, per Jim Geraghty’s recent tweet, really expressing his emotional range.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:53 pmIt doesn’t look like he is endorsing, but he is trying to get people to vote for whom they want on the GOP side, especially down ticket.
Well, fair enough. Kudos to Trump for allowing Cruz to deliver this message. Cruz also referred to voting “up” the ticket, i.e., Trump, for all those who have a good reason to, whether that is supporting Trump or opposing Hillary.
A fair set of points from Cruz.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:54 pmIt looks like Ted is enjoying himself.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:54 pmTypical know-nothing Trumputins refuse to let Ted have his moment.
Never forget.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:55 pmCanadian Ted doesn’t know American history very well.
Conservatives opposed Project Apollo, the man-on-the-moon program. A program initiated by a Democrat and eventually terminated by a Republican. In fact, Barry Goldwater himself slammed it in his famed Cow Palace Speech in 1964.
Endorse. Be brief. Be seated.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:55 pmListening on the radio, it sounds like the crowd is reacting negatively to something.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:56 pmHaven’t watched a minute of the convention except the facepalm and the Melania/Michelle mashup linked here. Didn’t watch this, either.
I like the way Kasich is deporting* himself. Just staying away, letting his cold shoulder speak louder than words. Balkans know how to hold a grudge.
*That word means more than what you think it means.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:56 pmThe longer the better, DCSCA, to unite the party to oppose corrupt and dangerous Hillary Clinton.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:56 pmNo endorsement. Throw the bum out.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:57 pmTed Cruz did a fine job.
I would have preferred an endorsement, but he loyally supported the party and the country, and I’ll take that with gratitude.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:57 pmPhiladelphia once booed Santa Claus and these fools booed the invocation of God’s blessing upon the USA – as the Donald entered the arena.
Perfect!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:58 pmCanadian Ted
International Man of Hystery (that’s DCSCA) should mind his tongue when talking about his betters (that’s Ted Cruz).
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:58 pmIt was Delphic as I expected, but with the chanting demands about Trump, the refusal to explicitly endorse seemed ballsy somehow.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:59 pmMD – They started chanting, “Endorse Trump!!!!” and would not stop. When he didn’t say the words, many shouted, “Boo!”
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:59 pm@45. Ted’s words– and word– means nothing. He signed the pledge and failed to endorse.
You don’t seem to get it– regardless of who wins, the conservative movement has been neutered. Which has been the ultimate goal all along. Ted’s speech was perfect– for 1988.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:59 pmThat lady down front just told Ted where he could put it. Sad to say he out Christie’d Christie.
He could’ve done himself a service and have been graceful at the same time, but he threw it all away.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:00 pmI am glad Cruz didn’t endorse, it is keeping in character. He called out McConnell as a liar, because he was.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:00 pmHe expects people to be serious. If Trump wanted to, and did, insult his wife and father, Trump should expect those acts have repercussions.
No, “My honorable colleague” if he is a liar.
Legit point.
Well, at least he didn’t stab the only person in a position to stop Hillary in the back.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:01 pmTed Cruz said people should not stay home in November, but should vote their conscience, up and down the ballot.
To “vote your conscience” , in case people don’t understand that, is NOT to vote on the basis of which the two candidates highest in the polls, is less objectionable, but to vote for whomever you really like best, or at least to avoid voting for a bad candidate.
I think Ted Cruz wrote his own speech, as did Michael Mukasey yesterday and some others.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:01 pmWow
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:01 pmTrump was right Lyin Ted could not keep his pledge. I thought the man was good but again dopey me was fooled by a liar from Texas via Canada.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:02 pmIt was to be expected, given how graceless and buffoonish Trump had been to him. But still…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:02 pmWow, what?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:02 pmBravo, Ted, Bravo.
urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:02 pmOrchestrated by Trump.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:02 pmBritt Hume just called Cruz on his early, several months long campaign super-suck up to Trump.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:04 pmAnybody got a copy of that so-called pledge to endorse? Bet you the word to endorse is not in it. Bet you there’s a definite pledge not to run as third party or support an opponent of the nominee, and maybe some vague promise to “support” the nominee.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:04 pmEd from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 6:59 pm
Wasn’t it “We want Trump!!” or was that something said in addition?
Ted Cruz attributed it to the New York delegation.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:05 pmBooed off the stage ’cause he didn’t endorse.
So that happened.
SarahW (3164f0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:05 pmBut, no, he didn’t stab the candidate in the back.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:05 pmI will be burning my Cruz crap in ten minutes. What a chump, he is worse than Scott Brown.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:06 pmTed Cruz said that President Obama had admitted ISIS terrorists to the United States in the guise of refugees.
You know something – that’s not true. I don’t think he could find a single case, let alone two.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:07 pmRick Wilson and Neal Boortz, neither Cruz fans, are tweeting serious respect for what Ted just did. Wilson called the speech, “Singular.”
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:07 pmDCSCA-
I will refrain from calling you an a**,
and just say you are acting like one.
He made a pledge to the Republican party,
He made a vow to his wife before God,
He has a command before God to honor his father,
Trump and the Republican party do not pull rank over those things,
and anybody who doesn’t understand that is not worth arguing with.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:07 pmI would rather a man stand on his principles, consistently, and with commitment, rather than alter them according to the demand of people. It may have made him more popular if he had done so, but I doubt his conscience would haven clear. That Cruz won’t bend his knee is why I respect him.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:08 pmColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:05 pm
What do you think “vote your conscience” means?
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:08 pmDCSCA stands for District of Columbia Secret Coalition of Asses, MD.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:09 pmErick Erickson, like Pat, reporting that Trump called for the booing!!! What buffoons the DJT campaign are. Literally incredible.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:09 pmThe difference is, in ’76, Reagan endorsed Ford.
Canadian Cruz signed a pledge and has reneged on it. His word isn’t worth a thing. He will be left in the backwash of history.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:10 pmWhat do you think “vote your conscience” means?
It means that being able to have a clear conscience because you lived out your principles and values in spite of demands you don’t, wins the day.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:11 pmBoo the bum back to canada
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:11 pmYeah, that’s nice.
Above both, I’d rather save the country from Hillary Clinton. I’d like a man whose principles include winning.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:12 pmWilson called the speech, “Singular.”
Yeah I’m going with selfish, small, and … sure singular.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:13 pmCruz can always get a job working with his knob polisher, Beck.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:13 pmWe will learn how the Democrats felt in 1988 when, after two Republican terms, their candidate carried only 10 states receiving 111 out of 535 electoral votes.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:14 pmClinton/Cruz/2016
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:14 pmThe whole framing of the speech, from the first words, was designed to explain why he is not endorsing.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:14 pm@71. And the dog ate his homework.
At least Trump had the balls to say at the start when Wallace asked it at the Fox debate he would not sign a pledge. Making excuses for a man who won’t keep his word in the business he has chosen is pretty desperate on your part. But understandable. Your guy lost. Badly.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:14 pmPossible. Or you might learn what it’s like to make incorrect predictions again.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:15 pmHeidi Cruz was escorted by security out of the hall when the crowd got ugly.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:15 pmAgain?
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:16 pmFor the sake of those observing,
What is it that people said they wanted?
No more business as usual.
Dissing a colleague’s wife and slandering his father is the kind of DC low life crap we are tired of, to act as if it was no big deal would likewise be crap.
If a person wants to be respected and treated seriously they should be serious about what they say,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:18 pmand if Trump wants to be serious in dissing Mrs. Cruz, he is more than a jerk to expect Cruz to back him.
How soon you forget. Cruz was kissing Trump butt for months through the primaries– ‘drafting.’
And again, tonight, Trump upstaged him.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:18 pmYou predicted Trump winning the nomination?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:18 pm@87. LOLOLOL
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:19 pm#84,
Yup.
And no matter how the audience may or may not respond to him, everything he has said has been heard, and people are accountable for that clear vision of freedom and the place of government. They can never plead ignorant when later on, things go south (if they do). They were handed the plan in a powerfully articulate manner.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:20 pmHeidi Cruz was escorted out of the convention by security said CBS News. I missed why, of hey said so. She had no credentials?
Donald Trump entered the convention hall during Ted Cruz’s speech.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:20 pmShe was escorted out to protect her? I think that’s sort of what they said on CBS.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:21 pm“The whole framing of the speech, from the first words, was designed to explain why he is not endorsing.”
Shhhh… think of the poor Trumpkins’ feelings. They still haven’t figured out why the hall seems so empty as they wait for Bush or Romney or McCain or Kasich or [insert any one of a hundred here] to show up.
Rick Ballard (04482a) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:22 pmDid someone say Delfonics!?!?
Betcha By Golly
WowPOW!!!There’s a spark of magic in the air
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:22 pmAs Cruz strides on up and up the stage
Looks around the room without a care
Preibus hopes he acts his age
He’s a weenie in disguise
Ends the wait here’s your surprise
And betcha by golly, POW!!!
He’s the one that he’s been waiting for so long
And ever will his love for him keep growin’ strong
Keep growin’ strong
shut up newt go pander in florida
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:23 pmUPDATE: Very well done by Cruz. In light of the boos, and the chanting for an endorsement for Trump, his refusal to endorse came across as a classy, principled, and rather pointed “fuck you” to Donald Trump. I am proud of Cruz tonight.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:23 pmThe time when Cruz tried on “the wall” for a second to see how it fit, he looked like he enjoyed himself. Then it crashed and burned all to hell.
Now they have Newt to pull Ted out of the smoldering wreckage.
EMT Gingrich.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:24 pmOh… “Delphic”… my bad.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:25 pm@84 “The whole framing of the speech, from the first words, was designed to explain why he is not endorsing.”
Reagan would not have done that. And didn’t in 1976. Four years is a life time and by 2020, given his personality and record, Cruz will be very, very old news.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:26 pmNewt’s speech is phenomenal. We are, indeed, at war with Islam’s true believers.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:27 pmCruz made it clear the Dems need to be defeated,
that assumes votes for Trump.
I want people who live like real people even when they are a politician,
a person who insults your wife and father does not deserve to have their ring kissed.
An embrace and stab in the back would be more appropriate,
but that would be more selfish than constructive.,
so Cruz didn’t do that either.
Some of you, no, most of you Trump supporters might just as well be pro-Hillary moles, you make it even harder to vote for Trump,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:27 pmreally, you are begging people to just leave the presidential slot open just for spite.
Cruz did fine in his speech, but the boos for not honoring his pledge were justified.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:28 pmMORE TIMELY: LA Times: If Trump Wins, a Military Coup ‘Isn’t Impossible.’
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/239243/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:29 pmAnother super smart thing Ted did was to make a Texas event the focus right at the top. He brilliantly, and genuinely, praised and personalized a Texan’s bravery and sacrifice. I guarantee you that Texas voters got it. Master political stroke by a sitting Senator seeking re-election in a very few months.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:29 pmThey will be his biggest selling point in 2020. I’ll be here to say I told you so.
Is there a single (rational) person here who doesn’t know that Trump is going to crash and burn?
Who better to pick up the pieces than the guy who pointedly did not endorse even as mobs of people screamed for him to do so?
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:31 pmImagine. We could have had Cruz, who just beautifully articulated a glorious vision of hope and promise for America where government is in the background and exists to serve the people. Instead, we have Trump, big government authoritarian.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:31 pmI’m really tired of the street violence and threats of political violence from the left.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:31 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-speech-full-text_us_579020dfe4b0bdddc4d320b0 (as prepared for delivery, and provided by the RNC)
They must have missed this dog whistle:
Vote your conscience means that if you don’t trust either Hillary Clinton or Donald trump, don’t vote for either of them.
He did limit this trust to defending our freedom and being faithful to the Constitution, subjects about which Hillary Clinton is more vulnerable on than Donald Trump.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:31 pmBeck and the Beckenistas love you, Ted.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:32 pmOpen challenge to all who insist that Ted promised to “endorse” the man with the most delegates. Show me the quote with correct citation of place/time. I am pretty darn certain that word was never spoken by Ted.
I will happily stand corrected. How about it? Those of goodwill and truth who think Ted lied in this regard – provide your proof.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:32 pmNewt. Speaks as smooth as 20 year old scotch; stinks as bad as 20 day old fish.
Newt. Forever a jelly donut. Powdered white on top, round, soft, empty calories inside, red stuff in middle, a hole at each end.
And my personal favorite, thanks to SNL, “Newt Gingrich, Moon President.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:33 pm“LAURA INGRAHAM POINTS TO THE OBVIOUS: Yes, this is a contentious subject. It is a necessary and important debate. But the consequences matter, and the choice is stark. Laura’s post indicates she lives in GetRealLand.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/laura-ingraham-points-to-the-obvious-yes-this-is-a-contentious-subject-it-is-a-necessary-and-impo/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:33 pmYou predicted Trump winning the nomination?
No sane person did. I became afraid he would after North Carolina. The way I put it was “All the fools in town are on his side and ain’t that enough of a majority in any town?” But my fears and hopes kind of balanced and I made no predictions.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:34 pmKind of fell flat to me. Wrong place for it.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:34 pmCBS News has repeatedly commented this week on how empty (or half empty) the hall is.
They compared the way it was after 11 pm on Tuesday, and how it was on the second day of previous Republican conventions in similar sized halls, when Chris Christie (in 2012) and Joe Lieberman (in 2008) and Laura Bush (in 2004) was speaking.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:36 pmSo you define insane as being right?
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:36 pm@108. They were certain Reagan would crash and burn, too.
Given who Trump is running against, he could win.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:36 pmI think the boos for “not honoring his pledge” is more of the crap I thought we were tired of.
I thought we wanted people with conviction and principles, not people playing politics.
Smiling and shaking hands and saying:
Thank you for insulting my wife, no hard feelings
Was the kind of dishonest political playtime we wanted to put a stop to.
You just keep showing that Trump is more of the same and fitting to get along with all of the good ol’ folk in dc, both Republican and Democratic.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:36 pmCol.- Laura rocked it earlier.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:37 pmman of mystery, go back to seances with von braun,
well how bad will red queen be, without scalia to block her on the court, we’re about to find out,
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:38 pmPaul Ryan opens with, “I could not be more proud … of our Vice Presidential nominee.”
LOL
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:38 pmYep, caught some of it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:39 pm^
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:39 pmRyan will be gone soon. Thank You, Jesus.
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:40 pmLike the suckers at Trump’s casinos, it doesn’t matter how much you “win” while you’re playing. It matters how much you walk out with.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:40 pmTalking Reagan in primetime TV. Out of office almost 30 years and dead for a dozen.
And voters 45 and under yawn. The kiss of death.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:41 pmPaul Ryan just gave a strong endorsement to Mike Pence for vice president. Mike Pence has now started speaking. Donald Trump has probably moved backstage and may come out at the end.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:42 pmThat hall is pretty darn full for Pence’s speech.
Yes, Laura Ingraham was brilliant and excellent tonight.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:43 pm@116. “No sane person did.”
Okay, call her insane, but Mika Brezinski of MSNBC’s Morning Joe bet he would, and won a new pick-up truck on the bet.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:44 pmNo self-deprecating humor, please, God, Mike.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:44 pmI don’t care if we have video of Cruz signing a “I promise to endorse standing on my head and juggling” pledge,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:44 pmSuch a pledge is not the greatest thing in the universe,
if Trump physically assaulted Heidi Cruz, would you have still expected him to endorse Trump?
Well, it wasn’t that,
but for some of us such disgusting dishonorable behavior against the woman to who you have pledged marriage vows is close enough.
A bet is not a prediction.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:45 pmFor sure, Trump ought to delete the offending tweet. If that’s a reason for what Cruz said or didn’t say tonight, it would have been better for Cruz to respond in kind (e.g. by tweeting a ridiculous picture of the Trumps). IMHO. Anyway, life goes on.
Andrew Hyman (06a5e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:46 pmPatterico is simply trying to justify his abandoning the GOP.
As such, he is basically voting for Hillary by eliminating his vote for Trump, and a vote for Clinton is a vote for more of what we’ve had the last 8 years by our clueless Muslim loving administration. Obama, by his adoration of Islam has failed to see the dangerous part of it.
He is a fool and Clinton is even worse!!!
Radical Islam is at war with us and is working to blow up a major American city with either a dirty bomb or a nuclear bomb. How can you trust a president who will not even enforce our borders or even say the name of our enemy.
Do you doubt the Islamists will try and kill us, blow up a nuclear bomb in Los Angeles if they can?
How about San Francisco, that sanctuary city, as a first attack since that city loves radicals.
This is here now, and its growing.
SHAME on you, Patterico and your acolytes for supporting Clinton.. SHAME!
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:47 pmMike Pence definitely endorsed Donald Trump here, and predicted victory.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:48 pmdefected
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:49 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMWpvvnk2Q
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:50 pm@135- She predicted it on air, bet a truck on it to back it up and collected her from Mike Barnacle.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:52 pm137. Radical Islamists have not atempted to carry explosives, or any kind of weapon, across the U.S. border since they were caught trying to do that in late 1999, unless you count putting some in someone’s underwear and exploding it before going through Customs and Immigration.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:52 pmI will end tonight with what I have always said,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:52 pmI don’t care what people promise,
I care about what they have done.
Clinton is condemned by what she has done.
Trump has demonstrated that he is crude and vulgar and has never demonstrated any commitment to conservative principles.
It is real easy to be not as bad as a Democrat.
Mike Pence sure is hokey.
Maybe people like that. But gee.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:54 pmhttp://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/17_minutes_with_citizen_l.php
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:54 pmPts,
Please do not refer to adults who think for themselves and have given a lot of study and thought to the candidates this political season doing their due diligence, as acolytes. Perhaps consider that there just happens to be intelligent people who don’t see Trump as some great white hope.
Further, there is the possibility, that even Trump could end up being even worse than Hillary.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:54 pmPence denies science. He is a creationist; they believe our Earth is just 6,000 years old. Amusing he accepts the VP spot on the 47th anniversary of the Apollo 11 astronauts collecting moon rocks dated to 3.8 billion years old. Oops.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:55 pmSHAME on you, Patterico and your acolytes for supporting Clinton.. SHAME!
Nah. His acolytes split across the spectrum pretty evenly.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:56 pmMike Pence: You can’t fake good kids.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:56 pmMika Brezinski. Zbigniew’s daughter. On MSNBC. LOL
I’ll grant you that she had inside information. That the Democratic Party organs of the MFM (that’s a tautology) would work their asses off to make sure Trump was the GOP nominee that Hillary would squash like a bug in the general election.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:57 pm@144. Ever been to Indiana? They’re really that way. A state full of hokum is why the good people leave. On the other hand, he has that ‘high school wrestling coach’ look. Best they check his background well.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:58 pmBlah blah blah
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 7:59 pmYou really are a nasty little person, International Man of Hystery.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:00 pmTrump will win.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:00 pmShame on you for misrepresenting my position, as I do not support Hillary. Keep in mind that I am also not voting for her — and by your logic, that’s a vote for Trump.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:00 pm@150. She was right. And she won a new pick-up. Don’t underestimate The Great White Dope. Given who he is running against, he could very well win.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:01 pmThat’s all that Cruz said that even indirectly referenced Donald Trump. It was exactly the right thing for him to have said about Trump, and enough for him to have said about Trump, as part of an otherwise powerful speech savaging the Dems and sounding powerful GOP themes that ought to help any GOP nominee, no matter how pathetic.
Trumpkins in general, and all Trumpkin shills in particular, tend to be spectacularly impolite, just like Trump, with very short memories and no sense of decency, just like Trump.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:01 pmI am not a member of the GOP. My vote is not owed to anyone.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:01 pmOne moment singing the praises of Trump, next moment singing how much an idiot his VP choice is,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:02 pmI guess he really is a Clinton supporter.
I forgot about the downticket, Beldar. You’re right. There’s more than Trump vs. Hillary going on.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:04 pmRemember, there’s the secret ballot. You can still vote for Trump to keep Hillary from destroying the country, when it comes right down to it.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:04 pmWhat Beldar said.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:05 pmlol at all the beckonistas
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:05 pmclinton/cruz/2016
But who can we vote for to keep Trump from destroying the country?
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:06 pmI am no longer a member of the GOP. You know who gets my vote? The woman I love. I know it sounds corny and all, but I wouldn’t respect any man who endorsed Trump after what he did to Heidi.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:06 pmPence/2024
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:07 pmThere are no good choices. I hate telling my nieces and nephews this, who are of age, you do not want to join the armed forces right now. Maybe this country will come back to its senses, I don’t know.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:08 pmTrump/Trump 2020!
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:08 pmNever been a member of the GOP. I vote for principles and people of character. When someone in the GOP exhibits enough of that then they get my vote.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:09 pmCarry on, you of intelligence west of the east coast.
“What difference does it make” was what Hillary Clinton said about questions about what she said about what happened in Benghazi in the immediate aftermath up to maybe amonth later, although she also tried to say, whether it ws planned or not doesn’t make much difference.
Mike Pence: The presidency of Barack Obama ends exactly six months from today (also said by anchors on TV)
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:09 pmwho endorsed Trump after what he did to Heidi.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:06 pm
This is the gateway. It’s the dark path to feminism, Steve.
Get that monkey off your back.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:12 pmDoc @169, I moved to fly-over country for a reason. And I am happy I did.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:13 pm@Beldar @137: “Vote your conscience” means vote for Donald Trump (or Hillary Clinton) only if you trust them to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution.
(Otherwise vote third party, if theer is somebody there you trust, and do not pay attention to the polls.)
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:14 pmpts (#137) wins “stupidest response of the thread” so far. My gosh, is that your “A”-game? That’s the most incoherent, illogical spew of unconnected ideas and accusations I’ve read all day, in fact.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:14 pmHa ha ha ha ha! Thank you for the cornflakes all over my laptop, a-hole.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:15 pmIt’s a true dog whistle.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:15 pmThere I was, thinking it was the gateway to a happy marriage.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:15 pmBS, Patterico.
THIS election is a zero sum game. If it makes you sleep at night thinking you’ve made a well reasoned and intellectually informed decision, then so be it.
The fact of the matter is, however, you’re either for the GOP or against it at this critical time.
You should be doing everything possible to defeat Clinton. By my logic, if you don’t vote for Trump then you’re weak and don’t know your first duty.
If we lose our values and ultimately our country, how precious will your sensibilities be then?
America does not need a bunch of fu*king quiche eating surrender monkeys!
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:15 pmPence. Upstaged again. If you shine a flashlight in the street tonight, The Great White Dope might just chopper in, walk into the light and clap there for you, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:16 pmI meant Beldar @157.
Ted Cruz basically got something encouraging people to vote third party past the censors.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:16 pmAnyone have the links to the riot coverage in Cleveland?
mg (31009b) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:17 pmFor those of you who don’t think we can be brought to our knees by terrorists… just look at how many attacks they’ve made against our country since Obama became president.
That fool didn’t call them that… they were work place violence in the case of Ft Hood and the Islamist Terrorist who killed all the soldiers.
I believe the total is something like 7 or 8 now… at least one per year of Obama’s administration. and he STILL does not say the name of the enemy.
Vote for Hillary or DON’T vote for Trump if you want more of the same.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:19 pm“Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich all stepped back from their earlier pledge to support the eventual Republican nominee during Tuesday night’s [March 29, 2016] CNN town hall:”
DRJ (15874d) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:19 pmWhat a pathetic bunch of sore losers the Canadian and his followers are. You know lyin Ted doesn’t have a career anymore. If Trump loses, Cruz and his fan boys own the Clinton presidency.
jcurtis (8bde3d) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:19 pmYou’re welcome, Denver. Can I get you a mop?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:21 pmOk, I was wrong. I found a text of The Pledge. It does say “endorse the nominee”. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/03/437217287/heres-the-62-word-pledge-republicans-want-donald-trump-to-sign I presume that all the candidates signed the same one.
In my defense, and it’s thin because I relied on Reince Priebus talking to George Stephanopoulos, I was going by what I heard Reince Priebus say to George Stephanopulos about the agreements the candidates had to sign in order to get access to RNC data.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:21 pmI totally understand why Cruz did not endorse Trump. I just don’t think he should have taken advantage of the publicity tonight.
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:21 pmMr. Finkelman (#173), I think by definition “vote your conscience” means something unique to each person who hears it.
Trump pretends that he will be faithful to the Constitution and defend our freedoms. If he’s serious about any of that, he should interpret that as enough of an endorsement.
The reason that Trump and his Trumpkin shills can’t be satisfied with that, of course, is that everyone in the world knows that Trump doesn’t give a flying f*ck about the Constitution, hasn’t read it, and thinks it has at least an Article XII. Everyone knows the only thing Trump will defend is Trump. He cares nothing for or about anyone else (except possibly his family, and even then in only some sort of weird way that makes me really, really glad I’m not related to him).
So everyone knows: No, despite Cruz’ call for voters to turn out, and despite his call for voters to vote for candidates who will be faithful to the Constitution and defend our freedoms, Cruz didn’t just endorse Trump.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:24 pmCBS TV and radio signed off convention coverage. NPR stayed on, where a lady said Ted Cruz was booed off the stage (and also had been giving reasons why Donald Trump let Ted Cruz speak and how it supposedly benefited him: He looks magnanimous, and gets sympathy)
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:24 pmIf Trump loses, Cruz and his fan boys own the Clinton presidency.
Ha, ha, ha. When Trump loses it will be because he’s a loser picked by mouth-breathing losers who don’t know s*** from shinola a/k/a Trumpkins.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:25 pm@184. By 2020, he’ll be a footnote to history. By midnight, EDT, he already becomes yesterday’s news.
Canadian Cruz is the last fizzle of a conservative movement, born 1964, died 2016.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:25 pmAre there any actual issues you are interested in? My guess is the answer is no, other than things where you feel you’re opposing Christians.
Gerald A (76f251) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:27 pmNot proud. I was a died in the wool Cruz guy, but this wasn’t principled – it was crass. Principled would have been to abstain from speaking. I didn’t think I could ever lose confidence in Cruz, but I just have. I don’t think someone with that much of a tin ear could ever get elected President. He just can’t connect with people and the GOP (and we) have to finally get that it matters.
tom (f05e27) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:27 pm@ nk: Yes, Cruz broke the letter and spirit of the endorsement pledge. He ought not deny it. But his entirely adequate legal and moral excuse is prior breach by Trump himself — both by his repeated public waffling about whether he (Trump) would support the nominee, and (far worse) by his out-of-bounds attack on Heidi Cruz — which prior breach by Trump also estops Trump from asserting any complaint against Cruz.
Estoppel rocks.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:28 pmThis just in on MSNBC:
FLash: Neville Chamberlain is NOT voting, repeat NOT VOTING FOR HILLARY!
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:28 pmTed Cruz started slow. He went through Trump’s entire set of primary issues and explained the brilliantly. He won over the crowd. He got them eating out his hand. He raised them up to a crescendo. it was incredible.
And then he said, “vote your conscience up and down the ticket”.
The way I see it, if he had read the crowd, if he had gotten a little smile on his face, if he had said (in his own words, better than mine), “Now, I know some of you here are waiting for me to say some ‘magic words.’ I thought I just made it clear when I said x, y, z, and q. But if I wasn’t clear, Donald Trump is the man to do these things and I endorse Donald Trump!”
That crowd would have gone to a five minute standing ovation. Cruz would have become the Reagan of our generation for doing exactly what Reagan did for Ford.
It may have been principled in some way, but it was also a failure to see the reality of the room and the future.
Ingot (1de9ec) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:29 pmYou should be doing everything possible to defeat Clinton. By my logic, if you don’t vote for Trump then you’re weak and don’t know your first duty.
Vladimir Lenin would appreciate this sentiment. Hugo Chavez is nodding his head in hell.
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:29 pmrawr
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:29 pmtom (#193), would you point us to a prior comment you’ve left here supporting Sen. Cruz? Because I don’t believe you, I think you’re trolling.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:29 pmPts, that’s utter horse manure. But its typical of Trumpkins, you have abandoned any attempt to extol the virtues of Donald Trump because you realize, unconsciously at least, that he has none. All you got is “Hillary is worse”.
Well, frankly, Hillary is very bad but you can’t even make the case for how much worse given how we have seen that Trump has no more character than she does.
SPQR (a3a747) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:31 pmIt’s nice having a troll go the other way for a change.
(let the man speak)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:31 pmHe said Clinton had to be defeated, didn’t he?
They asked him to speak, didn’t they?
He gave a good talk about the promise of America, the sacrifices for freedom, didn’t he?
If the GOP narcissistic megalomaniac wanted Cruz’ endorsement he couldn’t have at least taken down the trash talking tweet.
“Here Ted, I’ve insulted your wife, your father, and now I’m insulting you by expecting your full support in spite of those things”.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:32 pmMeet the new emperor,
Just like the old emperor.
SPQR… you and patterico need to get a room.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:34 pm@ the ridiculously pompous and offensive DCSCA, whom I generally ignore, but who wrote of Ted Cruz (#191):
Actually, by 2020 he’ll be almost one-third through his second term as as U.S. Senator from Texas. His Senate reelection campaign in 2018 is likely to make some news, even if you think Ted Cruz is the kind of shrinking violet who otherwise won’t disturb the placid waters of the Senate. But of course, if one values things like successfully representing Texas before the SCOTUS on landmark legal cases that have reaffirmed, among other things, our religious liberties and our right to bear arms, I think he’s already written many, many footnotes in history.
Then we have you, DCSCA. Care to give us some contact info so we can look you up, compare your accomplishments to Ted Cruz’?
Sheesh. What a maroon.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:35 pmBeldar @188. “vote your conscience” indeed means something a little different to each person who hears it, but Ted Cruz gave a definition.
Up and down includes the top level position on the ballot, of course.
Trump pretends that he will be faithful to the Constitution and defend our freedoms. If he’s serious about any of that, he should interpret that as enough of an endorsement. Trump and company probably interpret that as a dis-endorsement of Hillary Clinton and will assume Ted Cruiu z means to say he meets these minimum qualifications. But then there’s no reason to say “vote your conscience? That was used to defend voting for Perot. By Ross Perot in a commercial in fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8C-ERa4jcY
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:35 pmFirst they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:36 pmBecause I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
@192- On the contrary, my main issue triumphs whichever candidate wins- the effective castration of the conservative movement. It’s a win/win.
Trump is no ideological conservative. And neither is HRC. Pence– well, if Trump triumphs, and there is a chance he can given who he is running against– Pence will be stuck holding the proverbial ‘warm bucket of piss’ (as John Nance Garner called it) preside over the Senate and do his ‘christian’ duty attending funerals.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:38 pmDo you suppose any Sanders fans are seeing what Cruz just did and saying to themselves, “If only our guy was this principled”?
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:39 pmpapertiger, you dimwit: Tom is trolling by pretending to be a former Cruz supporter. Which is to say, he’s like you: A Trumpkin shill who lies without reservation.
But maybe he’s wrong, and can point us to some prior comments where his IP can be confirmed. I’m not against speech, I’m against liars. He’s made a factual assertion, let’s see if he can back it up.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:39 pmgood luck with that,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/284742-federal-appeals-court-blocks-texas-voter-id-law-for-violating-the-voting-rights-act/
narciso (732bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:39 pmThank God.
gwjd (032bef) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:40 pmIts amazing that DCSCA even bothers to return here, given how he has embarrassed himself in the past.
SPQR (a3a747) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:41 pmTurn out the lights when your done pts.
And stay off my lawn.
(Yup. Just that warm and cordial.)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:42 pmObviously principles means different things to different people.
I want people with common decency who will stick by it instead of capitulating to the convenient and PC,
I thought a lot of people wanted that.
No, too many people do not want that. Too many people want a version of the pompous corrupt status quo “on their side” instead of the one on the other side.
You really want people with so little integrity and self respect that they sell out their spouse to be popular for 5 minutes at a convention?
Yes, my daughters, he was very nasty to your mother, not a big deal…
No, you either want people to do good,
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:48 pmor be expedient.
Pilate did the expedient thing.
The repubs are little different from the Dems when it gets right down to basic common decency.
Its amusing to see how agitated Trump supporters become at principled stands .
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:49 pmAll the inflammatory Trump stuff towards Cruz happened after Cruz said that he would nuke Denmark if he became president. Clinton will use that as much as LBJ used the ad against Goldwater with the girl and the nuke bomb. You are pretty much forced to label Cruz a liar at that point to take credibility out of the accusation. Now why Trump allowed Cruz anywhere near the convention and let him give a speech is fair criticism of Trump. But I guess he was hoping that Cruz would walk it back, maybe joke about the hyperbole thrown around in the primaries. Cruz is gifted in a shallow academic way like Obama, but not gifted as a human being.
jcurtis (8bde3d) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:50 pmOught not that be admired because their candidate of choice has consistently demonstrated *his* own unwavering principles?
Oh. Wait.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:50 pmQuick Quiz:
To whom has history been more kind:
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:51 pma) Henry VIII
b) St. Thomas More
You find me untruthful in any particulars, Beldar, present your case.
Despite yourself you used my name. That shows some improvement.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:52 pmTed really did make an ass of himself today. I expected better than this ungracious, sore loser performance.
Boris (bc52ec) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:53 pmBrilliant brilliant speech by Cruz. He led off with the story of the slain police officer, about “what would I think if this was my last day? Would I be proud of what I did?”. Then he lead into hard principles and policies- all the things things this country stands for, like liberty and the Constitution that protects it. Next, he said vote your conscious, up and down the ticket.
You can see what he was doing. “I have principles, and my conscious does not allow me to violate them. I cannot ask others to do what I will not.” If people’s conscious lets them vote Trump- Cruz is fine with that. But to vote for Trump against their conscious- that cannot stand.
He finished off with the store of the girl, and the principles of liberty, while he was being booed. Bad optics for those booing. He was being booed for suggestion to vote your conscious, for speaking of a hurt girl, for speaking about liberty. That’s what the Trumpalos do.
The whole thing was bloody brilliant. It took balls to do that. He may suffer for it, and I think he’s okay with that. If Trump wins, Cruz is done for anyway. If Trump loses, he will look brilliant as one of the few (Lee, Rand, Sasse) not bowing before Trump. He will be there leading the fight against the establishment, as Trump is clearly the establishment. He may lose, but as long as the principles of liberty win, he is okay with that.
And spare me this indignation about the pledge. First, Trump himself said he would not be bound by it in March, so why should Cruz? Second, there is a conflict between the honor of your word, and the honor of defending your wife, your family, and your principles. The second honor is higher in my opinion, if forced to choose. If your wife cheats, you aren’t required to honor the marriage- you are free to get divorced. Same principle here. The other party violated the terms first.
Unless something changes, I’ll be writing in Ted Cruz’s name in November. And I’ll help out his campaign in 2020, and I’ll even run as a delegate in my state to support him.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:54 pmYanno, Pts, there are commenters here whose words I respect that have tried to get me at least thinking in a less-negative way about Trump. Col. Haiku, for example. Your words I don’t give a damn about. I’m not voting Trump. I honestly don’t care if that ushers in Hillary or not. It was jackasses like you that chose him not because he was going to make America great again, but because you’re looking for simple revenge over the last 8 years. You put no thought into this, just the idea that someone is gonna pay. You didn’t bother looking, you didn’t bother listening.
You are the sap that is going to have to drag his 70+ year old ass across the finish line first. I ain’t helping. It actually stuns me that an adult can readily overlook the massive character flaws so prominently on display with Donald Trump.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:55 pmI admit that I would have liked to see Trump introduce Cruz by saying, “You know, I called him Lyin’ Ted but I should have called him a lion, because he’s king of the jungle, he’s the toughest guy out there fighting for our rights, and he’s a great guy in the the Senate, the best! Here’s Ted Cruz!” But I admit that didn’t happen either.
Ingot (1de9ec) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:55 pm#207 DCSCA,
I have no doubt you’re the expert on the subject of warm piss.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:56 pmI agree with you, Beldar. I was only correcting my own prior wrong assertion. I admire Jeb, Kasich, and Cruz for their respective stands, each giving Trump the cold shoulder in his own way.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 8:56 pmand yet Jeb, Kasich, and Cruz all signed pledges to endorse the nominee.
glad to see all of them proved to be liars.
and these cowards said Trump was the problem & the one who selfish.
fk you Jeb, Kasich, and Cruz. and fk u patterico.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:02 pmTed appears to have a passive-aggressive streak.
Boris (bc52ec) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:05 pmIn light of Kasich and Jeb not attending the convention, let alone speaking at it, Ted Cruz looks all the more impressive. He was smeared and attacked by Trump, and had his family attacked viciously, yet he was bold enough – and shrewd enough – to take advantage of the moment to make a concerted, public stand for conservatism and remind voters that they are bound to no one, only to their conscience. And yes, it benefits him in the long run as well.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:05 pmHi, DRJ (#183). Your link and quote are dispositive. I hope you & yours are well, despite our troubled times.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:06 pmJohn @ 226,
You, and those like you, are why so many people refuse to jump on the Trump train.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:08 pmBeldar:
What he said was, if it did have an Article XII, he’d be for defending it.
Now Trump is not wrong about the constitution having an Article XII and even higher numbered articles. The Constitutional amendments are often printed as Articles.
But Article XII is a purely structural amendment that would be pretty hard to violate without totally disregarding the constitution. It’s all about the electors voting separately for president and vice president, and in the event no one gets a majority of the Electors for President, the House choosing between the top 3 finishers, instead of between the top 5 as in the original constitution, when the Electors had to vote for two candidates, but could not specify who was supposed to be president and who vice-president.
The second runner up became vice president except that if there was a tie the Senate voted between those two. In the new system, changed after the election of 1800 during which Alexander Hamilton prevented Aaron Burr from becoming president and instead made him vice president, as Thomas Jefferson originally intended, the Senate chooses between the top two only for vice president, so a third party candidate for vice president is pretty much out.
This change deprived Henry Clay of the presidency in 1825 (Crawford being disabled by a stroke but his condition kept hidden from the voters, thus liiting the real choice in the House to John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson) and probably made Andrew Jackson president in the election of 1828 due to his accusations of a corrupt bargain which made Henry Clay Secretary of State.
Maybe you could defend Article XII by insiting that if a vice president (if a Democrat at least) is picked by the zsenate and no candidate is picked by the House, Hillary Clinton shold not go around acting as if she were president and the House should continue to keep voting, and it should not vote for Hillary Clinton just to make the electiopn be over.
The thing is, Trump doesn’t get his facts straight, and doesn’t seem to care about getting his facts straight. Here, he is for defending the constitution, regardless of what the constitution says, and he indicates he doesn’t care what it says. Somebody will tell him later, I guess.
Trump pretends that he will be faithful to the Constitution and defend our freedoms. If he’s serious about any of that, he should interpret that as enough of an endorsement.
It’s a real dog whistle, like I said. Trump will of course interpret himself as being a person who undoubtably would defend our freedom and be faithful to the Constitution, so that Ted Cruz is merely telling people not to vote for Hillary Clinton. And he’d disqualify also the Libertarian and the Green Party candidates on that basis.
Sammy Finkelman (372aad) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:08 pmactually Ted was the first in the campaign to smear the other candidates as he did being the first candidate to go after another candidate’s wife, Trump’s, and lying that Ben Carson had dropped out of the race.
the guy is a liar and a coward. He started it and Trump won because of it.
a total loser.
what a “big man”. what a phony.
what a big do-nothing senator.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:09 pm#222 Bill H,
So you would really want to inflict Hillary on America just because you want revenge upon Trump’s GOP primary supporters?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:09 pmI suppose it boils down to whom you dislike more; the Alinskyites or the Trumpkins.
I feel bad for all the GOP House and Senate candidates who now have decide how to handle potentially bringing in Bush, Cruz, Kasich, and others for campaign appearances. I guess I’m hoping that the party’s Presidential candidate is such a prima donna that he won’t want to “cheapen” himself by appearing with down-ballot candidates.
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:11 pmHilarious. All the talk about freedom this and that and in the end it was pin the tail on the donkey.
Drider (340c7b) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:12 pmI actually look forward to sending a check to his future opponent.
I watched some of that NPR coverage after my wife told me how bad it was last night. One of my actions as Teh Prez would be to defund NPR/PBS. Taxpayers should not be funding that leftwing advocacy.
This would follow my jailing of Hillary and Bill Clinton in preparation for their prosecution under the National Anti-Grifter Act, where they would be held accountable for their high crimes and misdemeanors.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:13 pm@ Patrick Henry 2d (#221): I also was struck by Cruz’ reference to the slain Dallas PD officer’s daughter — in fact, I thought he was referring to his own daughter when he began his speech, which was a nice rhetorical device. It was a polished speech. It will read well in print. It certainly was more inspiring than the drivel from Little Marco’s video or Zombie Rick Scott’s speech, in terms of turning out GOP voters to vote against the Democrats.
As our host (linking the National Review’s predictions about the speech) pointed out, Cruz was walking a tightrope. But I thought he was quite nimble.
The only people who are complaining are the Trumpkins who insist that we all be assimilated and sing hosannas to the horse’s ass as part of his cult of personality. Screw that, screw them.
It’s not his party. Tonight reaffirmed that. He’s just it’s ugly, stumbling, inept temporary standard-bearer.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:14 pmBill H
I don’t give a damn if you respect my words or not.
Thinking I want “revenge” for the last 8 years is really shallow.
But then its your shallowness, not mine.
What I DON’T want is a continuation of the incredible failure of the last 8 years, and the fools who will vote for another 4 more years of it. At some point… and I think its here… we reach a point of no return.
I’m not interested in arguing with you about why Trump can be a good president. There’s no point in talking to you people.
But if you truly don’t care about Hillary getting into office, then you are a damned fool… perhaps an elite one, but a damned fool nevertheless.
When will you people wake up!?
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:14 pmI watched some of that NPR coverage after my wife told me how bad it was last night. One of my actions as Teh Prez would be to defund NPR/PBS. Taxpayers should not be funding that leftwing advocacy.
But, but, but, but. . . you’re trying to kill Big Bird!
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:15 pmdana @ 230
You, and those like you, are why so many people refuse to jump on the loser Cruz, Bush and Kasich trains.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:16 pmI’m not interested in arguing with you about why Trump can be a good president. There’s no point in talking to you people.
Yet here you are anyway.
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:17 pm@204. You’re swinging after the bell.
Cruz is not a man who keeps his word. He had the chance to walk in Reagan’s footsteps tonight and endorse the party’s nominee. Instead, he chose to renege on his pledge, break his word and walk off the stage into the footnotes of history, boos echoing in Americans ears as the past press clippings you desperately cling to fall from his pocket.
It’s Lyin’ Ted in a nutshell.
A man who does not keep his word in his profession isn’t worth much. Even Christie nailed him on that. Yet you have a him re-elected which doesn’t speak well to the judgement or integrity of Texans, does it, ‘maroon.’ You’re bitter. He lost. Get over it.
But you go ahead and put him on political ice for 50-plus months then try peddling an old fish as fresh catch in 2020. Should raise quite a stink.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:19 pmCruz really, really fucked himself tonight, IMO.
He simply has a tin ear about people.
You see… most people, IMHO, think that it is your higher duty to support the leader of your party.
You bury your differences, and unify behind the winner.
That’s why people booed him off stage. This is especially true for Texans.
I think he’s done. Maybe he can move to California and make a go of it.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:19 pmIts funny how the General can say fk u to Trump & Trump supporters, but when you try and copy paste his comments in quotes to show how he started the hate in this thread, you get moderated.
then people wonder why Bush, Kasich and Cruz supporters and their candidates are hated, and why Trump ran away with the nomination.
the blind are blind.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:23 pmdana @ 230
You, and those like you, are why so many people refuse to jump on the loser Cruz, Bush and Kasich trains.
are you offended i said “fk u” to Cruz?
really???
then, hey, you must be upset Patterico’s General said “f___ you” to Trump & Trump supporters, FIRST? right? huh?
here loser, read Patterico’s General’s comment: “…his refusal to endorse came across as a classy, principled, and rather pointed “f___ you” to Donald Trump. I am proud of Cruz tonight.”
so dana, in the words of the holy & almighy General of Patterico: “f___ you” & “f___ you” Cruz.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:24 pmCruz is not a man who keeps his word. He had the chance to walk in Reagan’s footsteps tonight and endorse the party’s nominee.
Allow me to speculate that Ronald Reagan, though not agreeing with President Ford on every issue, thought that Ford was a decent and honorable fellow who put the welfare of his country ahead of his own ego.
JVW (f97acd) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:24 pmSeems to me Ted Cruz is keeping his word quite firmly.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm
You know, support and defend the Constitution. Not the GOP but the Constitution.
kishnevi (f2c02a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:26 pm@ the particular Trumpkin shill who I made the mistake of addressing by name tonight, as if he deserved that much respect, re comment #219:
Are you a different “papertiger” than the one who solemnly asserted, repeated, in comments on this blog that Trump was self-funding his campaign? The “papertiger” who then, in response to my question, admitted that he had himself donated to Trump’s campaign, via the huge button on the Trump website that said “Contribute,” thereby demonstrating he had personal knowledge from direct first-hand experience that Trump has never “self-funded” his campaign?
My recollection is catching you in misstatements like that about eight times a week throughout the entire primary season, but I’ll let the other regular readers here rely on their own perceptions about your credibility and reliability.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:31 pmactually Cruz is a man who does not keep his word at all.
He signed a PLEDGE to support whoever the nominee was out of the 19 primary candidates of the Republican Party. And now Cruz doesn’t do that.
How does that make him a man of honor? Cruz is a liar, coward and a dishonorable person.
everyone knows darn well if Trump did the same thing, Cruz and his BS supporters would be calling to crucify Trump if he did the same thing.
Cruz is a big phony and his supports are big phonies.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:31 pm@246. “Seems to me Ted Cruz is keeping his word quite firmly.”
Except he did not. Cruz signed a pledge to support the party’s nominee. He rode the primaries in Trump’s draft… a ‘buddy’ … then he lost in the end, broke his word and reneged on the pledge and failed to endorse. No amount of spinning can change that.
End of story.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:33 pmCruz, Bush and Kasich should leave the GOP.
I know we live in an era where oaths no longer mean any thing, nor does keeping your word… but people running for the highest office in perhaps the world should be sticklers at a minimum for playing by the rules.
At least Kasich has been pretty quiet… and I can’t quite decide between Bush and Cruz who is worst!
Maybe Bush… whining, complaining, entitled brat… These guys should sign on or STFU!
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:34 pmI’m sure that Ted and Don got together and agreed in advance. Ted concerned it wouldn’t play well back home. And Don said “Go ahead with the ‘liberties’ speech, and make it work for you. It’s enough that you appear.”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:35 pmI still can’t get over how Cruz could hit every Donald Trump high point, but smarter, and build the energy in the hall so high; then dash it against the pavement.
Ingot (1de9ec) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:35 pm#242
Our aged left wing friend DSCSA is sooooo anguished by lying politicians that he had no choice but to vote for that altar boy by the name of Barack Obama, and he has no choice but to vote for that paragon of honesty by the name of Hillary Rodham Clinton!
Because of … principles! honesty! ethics! character! … uh, … Alinksy! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:38 pmPS Cruz did his Bush handlers proud by scuttling the Republican nominee.
One of the highlighted lines in the prepared version of Cruz’s speech was: “And citizens are furious — rightly furious — at a political establishment that cynically breaks its promises and ignores the will of the people.”
Now that Cruz is being accused of having broken his promise to support the party’s nominee, it is a rather ironic line.
well done Lyin Ted!!!
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:38 pm236, better than defunding NPR would be to double the funding and throw the leftist perverts running that show out into the street and convert it into a pro-American, pro-Trump media operation that would be used specifically to advance conservatism and Trump’s agenda. Make the Democrats defund it if they want.
jcurtis (8bde3d) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:40 pmDCSCA wrote (#):
But Reagan didn’t endorse Ford in 1976. He used general language similar to Cruz’ tonight, but the closest Reagan got to an outright endorsement was:
Reagan was actually tweaking Ford with that line, by quoting MacArthur, a famous defier of sitting presidents.
You see, unlike you, DCSCA, Cruz and Reagan actually paid attention to history. And indeed, Cruz’ speech was very deliberately tracked to model Reagan’s 1976 speech at the convention that nominated Gerald Ford.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:40 pmMuffed the cross-reference there, it was to #242.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:41 pmDonald Trump’s tweet suggesting his wife is ugly has never been deleted.
I just checked: Cruz is still married to the same woman.
jorgen (968dd7) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:42 pmI think Cruz made a promise years ago to love and cherish his wife,
He kept that promise.
It’s really pretty simple and not worth arguing about.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:42 pmhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fundraising-rnc-big-screen_us_578f9585e4b0f180da63d098?section=
Deposition from a hostile witness; the Huffpo.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:43 pm“He rode the primaries in Trump’s draft… a ‘buddy’ …”
Yes, and then Cruz saw it slipping away so “TRUMP WILL NUKE DENMARK!!!”
I don’t know why anyone takes this Canadian opportunist seriously.
jcurtis (8bde3d) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:44 pmYeah, there’s some real class from a Trumpkin shill. Ding-ding-ding! Way to go, jorgen (#258)! Double down on the misogyny, the nastiness, that your guy should be ashamed of.
Nights like this bring the really juicy Trumpkin shills out of their ratholes to show us their true vermin qualities.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:47 pmSeems to me Ted Cruz is keeping his word quite firmly.
Which word would that be??? He promised to support the nominee and we are still waiting.
jorgen (968dd7) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:50 pmI like the cut of your jib.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:51 pm@256- You’re still swinging after the bell.
You don’t seem to get it– Canadian Cruz signed a pledge to endorse the party’s nominee, gave his word and broke it. And a man in his profession who gives his word and breaks it isnt with a damn. And if you’re honest with yourself, you know this.
Worse still, what you’re saying is Canadian Cruz had the opportunity to be a BIGGER man than Ronald Reagan tonight by keeping his word and going beyond Reagan vagaries and endorsing but instead, reneged on his pledge to endorse the party’s nominee, broke his word and sulked off to the boos of his own party members. You’re peddling canned tuna as swordfish
You’re bitter. He lost. Get over it.
Canadian Cruz is the last gasp of the conservative movement, born 1964, died 2016.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:54 pmYeah, there’s some real class from the pro-Cruz shills, like Patterico’s General telling Trump & his supporters “fk u”.
Ding-ding-ding! Double down on the misogyny, the nastiness, that your guy Cruz should be ashamed of.
what to go!
Nights like this bring the really juicy Cruz Luzers & Lyin’ Ted-wad shills out of their ratholes to show us their true vermin qualities.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:56 pmLet’s say you are right. I owe this party my vote, why?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:59 pm@256 -BTW, in case you need reminding, AGAIN: CRUZ SIGNED A PLEDGE TO SUPPORT THE PARTY’S NOMINEE.
Not to support an ideology. They all signed it.
The Bush family owes a lot to the GOP. They should have been there. Romney, too. Kasich as well… but there probably was an all-you-can-eat-pancake special at the I-HOP on Euclid.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 9:59 pmBefore you use someone else’s words, John, you should look up the ones you don’t know.
You obviously don’t know what misogyny means, for example. It kinda ruins your attempt at comic effect.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:00 pm@ DCSCA: DRJ’s comment at #183 makes you look very, very foolish. Your refusal to acknowledge it makes you look very, very dishonest.
That’s because you’re foolish and dishonest also. Looks aren’t always deceiving.
But keep yelling. I’m sure you’re persuading lots of people!
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:03 pmBeldar, you should charge tuition. Ditto DRJ. But bringing facts to those who wish only for a mud fight is an exercise in futility.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:04 pmHe’s convinced me, Beldar. All these Trumpkins are so, what’s the word, appealing?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:04 pmTrump Abandons Pledge To Support Republican Nominee
March 30, 2016
Last September, Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus pushed the GOP’s presidential candidates — there were 17 at the time — to sign a loyalty oath to the party.
The party leadership was unnerved by Donald Trump’s refusal at the first Republican debate, in August 2015, to endorse the eventual nominee for president.
But in September all the candidates, including Trump, signed the pledge.
Now, with only three candidates remaining in the race, the loyalty pledge appears to be all but dead.
Tuesday night during a CNN town hall in Milwaukee, Wis., moderator Anderson Cooper asked Trump whether he is sticking with his pledge to support the nominee.
“No, I don’t anymore,” Trump said. “No, we’ll see who it is.”
And with respect to his contentious relationship with Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Trump appeared to release Cruz from the pledge as well.
“Honestly, he doesn’t have to support me,” Trump said. “I’m not asking for his support.”
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/30/472363315/trump-abandons-pledge-to-support-republican-nominee
Libby (1208f9) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:06 pmWe don’t delete our emails, hide our paper trail, or dodge our comeuppance.
You want that other party.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:08 pmIs Trump really the Republican nominee?
http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/07/13/well-id-like-them-to-do-that-but-i-dont-mind-being-a-free-agent-either/
I don’t recall anyone vowing to support the free agent.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:09 pmactually Cruz showed rabid hateful misogyny against Trump’s wife.
so before you use someone else’s words, Beldar, you should look up the ones you don’t know.
You obviously don’t know what misogyny means, for example. You think it only means something about Trump. But it doesn’t. So your liberal satanic logic kinda ruins your attempt at comic effect.
in the words of Patterico’s General to Trump & his supporters: “fk u”.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:10 pm@267- You owe then nothing. Vote, Don’t vote. Unless you want to try and make the battle of the SCOTUS noms a conservative Alamo. Which is pretty desperate trying to hang your ideology on to life time appointees rather than winning through a persuasion of ideas. That’ll end up being a losing fight, too.
For me, it doesn’t matter because it’s a win/win as neither Trump or HRC are ideological conservatives and both effectively neuter the conservative movement. Next episode on ‘As The Right Turns’:
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:10 pmAiles gets sacked for trying to get Foxes in the sack.
Could it be …? Satan!!! (jpeg)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:14 pmOK, let’s see what we have here.
On the one hand a committed leftist NY Democrat.
On the other hand an uncommitted leftist NY Democrat.
Who doesn’t mind being a free agent and oh by the way can work with Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
That’s some smoking hot great choices right there.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:16 pmThere are too many idiots commenting. Where did they come from?
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:17 pmFor what it’s worth, Luntz’ focus group, who were purposefully sequestered from anything not on the RNC stage, had several positive things to say abut Ted’s speech. A couple said he swayed them to vote for DJT. Not one said even the slightest thing negative about Ted’s speech.
Despite Brit Hume’s and the FoxNews gang’s best efforts, Cruz pulled a Reagan and the message hit home precisely as he aimed.
This certainly has the feel of 1964: An unelectable candidate. A man who stepped up to be the flag-bearer after the coming bloodbath in November.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:18 pmYou do realize that a GOP nom who doesn’t give a rats @$$ if the GOP keeps the Senate has to make a deal with Schumer, Reid, Feinstein, et al to get a SCOTUS nom confirmed. And Trump can’t shut up about what a deal maker he is. In NYC.
Just checking to see if you knew that.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:20 pmTed whacked their nest, didn’t he? The line about the “enthusiasm” of the New York delegation was ad-libbed; I loved the look on his face, his smile, as he delivered it. But the earlier line about the difference between Colorado & Texas values (what difference? must’ve meant pot, both states went for Cruz) or the differences between New York & Iowa values — a not very subtle reference to the Big Lie that Trump perpetrated to escape his own pro-abortion past — was also pretty tasty, and it was scripted.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:21 pmThe non-participants in the Colorado caucus.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:21 pm@ John, who wrote:
That is a lie, and you are a liar. Cruz didn’t circulate or have anything to do with the republication of an already public-domain covered-nude photo of Trump’s wife.
Do you live in a cave? You’re even more poorly informed than most of the other Trumpkin shills who comment here. Do you ever read anything besides Breitbart? How’d you find your way here, for pete’s sake?
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:26 pmFor the Trumpers here: If Ted Cruz is as horrible and dishonest as you claim him to be, why are you so angry that he didn’t endorse Trump tonight? If he indeed is such an awful person, wouldn’t an endorsement from such a person be detrimental to Trump as it would directly reflect upon him?
In other words, it’s ironic that while you obviously can’t stand Cruz and hold him in low regard, you are nonetheless desperate for his support.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:28 pm@ DCSCA (#285): You’re literally repeating yourself. Nothing you just wrote is worth note, except that I will say of my friend DRJ:
Her comment was factual and specific and sourced and relevant. None of your comments, not one of them, has met even one of those standards tonight.
Begone, at least from my notice hereafter, for you aren’t worth it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:29 pmwow the delusional Cruz Luzers are out in force.
first they say “fk u” to Trump & Trump supporters, then they faun being shocked at when called out for being so dishonorable.
typical Lyin’ Ted-wads & left-wing globalist dolts. They think just because someone has the word “cruz” in their name, their a savior.
On the one hand a committed leftist NY Democrat who will pick far left wing supreme court justices.
On the other hand an committed conservative NY Republican who will pick conservative & constitutionalist supreme court justices in the mold of Scalia.
.and then you have the phony & big fraud, Ted Cruz, who will pick nobody.
He signed a PLEDGE to support whoever the nominee was out of the 19 primary candidates of the Republican Party. And now Cruz doesn’t do that.
Cruz is a liar, coward and a dishonorable person.
John (20e1e6) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:33 pmI think your dad might have told you this. Like bad weather, DSCSA types will always be with us.
In other news, I bought a beginner’s celestial navigation kit from Landfall Navigation.
http://www.landfallnavigation.com/kcnb.html
I am a little old to start over. But I think I’m going to launch a career in piracy.
Hillary! has done well at it.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:34 pm@288. Except they have. You’re bitter. Your guy lost. And he broke his word. And you want to defend it. Speaks to character on multiple levels.
But do please try to run him again in 2020. Then, as the great Warner Wolf would say, ‘let’s go to the videotape…’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:35 pmI really, really liked Pence tonight. Christian and a Conservative and a Republican, in that order.
I thought the Cruz speech was interesting, I got his innuendos, so did the audience. I was a Carson supporter then I was a Cruz supporter, for the record.
I’m a little disappointed in Cruz, I thought he was a bigger man than that. Maybe (more than likely) I’m wrong about that, but it strikes me as untrustworthy. I suppose I would rather he had played the game a bit more, save the principled stance for when the time is right. It puts me back at my thoughts months ago that Cruz maybe far to stiff to be a good President.
Newt did kinda somewhat saved his rear-end.
MSL (a8c328) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:35 pmOK. Bye then.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:35 pmFurther,
For the Trumpers here: Why are you so aggrieved that you were encouraged to vote your conscience? Would you rather an authoritarian in charge tell you for whom to vote? How dreadful to see such freedom diminished.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:36 pmI remember being told about celestial navigation when I was a boy scout.
Everybody was spellbound and silenced. Until they realized a sextant was not a sex tent.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:36 pmI’ll give you a chance to take it back. You seem to be under the impression I said it to you first:
I didn’t say it to Trump supporters. I said it to TRUMP.
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:36 pmAs much as possible could you refrain from generalities?
After “the” and just before “here” in the first sentence of 287.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:37 pmDCSCA,
During the past couple days, you’ve probably mentioned “castration” and “piss” more than any urologist.
Issues, maybe? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:37 pm@ 289,
Cruz is a liar, coward and a dishonorable person.
And yet you’re throwing a hissy fit because hthe supposed liar, coward and dishonorable person didn’t cry uncle and tell the leader of your club that he really is the best.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:39 pmDCSCA.
Whatevs.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:42 pmAn abbreviation or acronym should not have more than for letters.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:45 pmfour.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:45 pmSkynet has been acting up again.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:46 pm@287 “In other words, it’s ironic that while you obviously can’t stand Cruz and hold him in low regard, you are nonetheless desperate for his support.”
No. Americans are ‘desperate’ for any elected official- even a United States Senator- to actually keep their word.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:49 pm@ DCSCA (#285): You’re literally repeating yourself.
It’s a medical condition, called perseveration, a sign of senile dementia.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:50 pm@305- Sooner or later, Cruzers will learn 1+1=2, not 11.
That takes repeating for you slow learners.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:55 pmIt’s a medical condition, called perseveration, a sign of senile dementia.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:50 pm
Actually, prefer commonly understood terms instead of medical ones I do. Or is A$$hole to technical?
Yoda (feee21) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:58 pmAmericans are ‘desperate’ for any elected official- even a United States Senator- to actually keep their word.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:58 pmHow much more the GOP nominee who hopes to become the president? Shouldn’t he be that honest elected official?
@307, you got to take what you can get, Yoda.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:04 pmBrown lettuce. I learned to like it on the Carl Vinson. With enough Tobasco.
Others have had it much worse.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:06 pmThank you Senator Cruz.
You did us proud again. Spoke about the principles that need to guide us if we are to reclaim our heritage.
You did your father, your wife, your daughters, your State and your country proud.
You also did not speak ill of the man who slandered you (calling you an adulterer), your wife, your father and your honor.
Good job sir. I tip my hat to you.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:07 pmFrom Trump’s Twitter feed:
Really? Two hours earlier, and he was “fine” with not being endorsed?
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:08 pmPoor crybaby Ted. Someone give him a pacifier. He thought he was LBJ in cleverness and instead came off looking as needy and oily as Al Sharpton. But keep kidding yourselves that he is the next Reagan.
spokanebob (56dac6) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:10 pmFunny story. I got a piece of raw chicken in the wardroom, and when I bit into it, the messmen did their best to help. They took it away. Then they asked:
“Do you want another one.”
No, I did not want another &%$#ing one.
They have a hard job and I was not their major problem because I already knew how hard their job was. But still, sometimes. Could you at least burn all the hairs off the ham hocks?
Actually, when confronted with brown lettuce I resorted to my stockpile of microwave popcorn which went a lot better with the Tobasco.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:14 pmThe only crybabies I’ve seen are the Trumpkins. Whining because Cruz is not validating you.
nk (dbc370) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:14 pmThe blood or preservative went everywhere. Like the balls on a billiard table when you make love on it.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:16 pmI find both the Trump and Cruz fan boys idiotic.
Rodney King's Spirit (603237) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:17 pmAnd Patterico, you have been defecating on Trump Supporters for awhile. Stop parsing what you wrote to change meaning of your various rants. Yes, when us wrote F Donald, you very much meant to say same to all his supporters. And you have been saying it as much for months. A little honesty and less lawyerly BS parsing and word f-ing.
Rodney King's Spirit (603237) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:24 pm@308- He stinks. She stinks. They all stink. We know that. Patterico knows that. The whole bunch make for a dark day in U.S. history.
Trouble is, Cruz and the rest made such a public stink of signing the RNC pledge to support the party nominee to avoid Trump going indy against them. Then they get trapped by their own ploy when Trump wins. Recall Trump didn’t want to do a pledge in the first place at the first Fox debate.
The right and honorable thing to do was for Cruz to keep his word, grit teeth, endorse the party’s nominee, walk off the stage and go back to the Senate and do nothing to campaign for him. Cruz broke his word and in his profession, that makes him pretty much an empty suit. Even Christie scored points nailing him on that– and he endorsed.
@311. “Spoke about the principles that need to guide us if we are to reclaim our heritage..”
Breaking your word, not honoring your pledge. Those are the principles and heritage of Cuthbert J. Twillie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:24 pmThere was a shooter on the Carl Vinson who spent his entire morning secure in the knowledge the dirty shirt wardroom was serving real orange juice. And it was. This was the Indian Ocean, and it was hot. But right before he was able to take a break they switched to bug juice. I was there when he freaked out.
It was epic. Only one guy I know outdid him. He was an O-4 on an admiral’s staff who lost it when a yeoman followed him into the head and started shoving paperwork under the sh**ter door.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:24 pmTrump has the nomination by an outright majority of delegates and is closing in on Crooked Hillary in polling.
We’re actually pretty happy right now.
And the Trump bench! Wow, it’s deep.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:25 pmI’m a long-time Cruz fan who was disappointed in Cruz tonight. Like others have said, the way that Trump insulted his wife and waffled on whether he (Trump) would keep his promise to support the nominee made it reasonable for Cruz to refuse to say the words, “I endorse Trump”. But instead of going over his usual list, I wish Cruz had focused on the way that the rule of law is being deliberately destroyed by the Democrat Party and how much horror that is going to bring if it is not stopped soon. I seriously don’t know if the country can survive as a republic after four more years of Democrat rule. Obama has set the precedent and the Republican Congress has let him get away with it. Hillary will push the bar even further. Cruz should have talked about this and how urgent it is to keep the Democrats out of the White House, even at the cost of voting for Trump. And *then* he should have asked people to vote their conscience.
I’m sorry. I’ve always thought very highly of Patterico, but this never-Trump thing is just ridiculously irresponsible. Our country is in the biggest crises it has faced in my lifetime. And no matter how obnoxious and odious Trump and his followers are, the only alternative is much, much worse.
Cugel (e8e312) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:28 pmWe couldn’t get the supply corps to keep cold cereal available. The aviators were not able to eat when they were serving meals. They got up too early, they got back too late. They had milk, though.
You know what they said? “Oh, we can’t do that. If we put out cereal, you’d just eat it.”
Our initial reaction was, yes, of course.
After a little back and forth we realized the problem. As far as the supply corps guys were concerned the only reason to have cereal on a naval vessel is to sit on the shelf so they can pass inspection.
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:36 pmThis from Cruz after the speech:
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:37 pmWho are all these new “longtime Cruz fans” that are so disappointed in Cruz and just betrayed by him? They are concerned, so concerned, yet I’ve never seen them before.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:37 pm@228 ‘In light of Kasich and Jeb not attending the convention, let alone speaking at it, Ted Cruz looks all the more impressive. He was smeared and attacked by Trump, and had his family attacked viciously, yet he was bold enough – and shrewd enough – to take advantage of the moment to make a concerted, public stand for conservatism and remind voters that they are bound to no one, only to their conscience. And yes, it benefits him in the long run as well.’
No. In fact, they all look quite self-serving. The Bush family, ungrateful to the GOP to be sure after all these years; Kasich, just peevish. And Cruz knows politics ain’t beanbag. He only spoke through the courtesy of the Trump team and Trump literally played him, set him up and exposed him for what he is. In the ‘long run,’ Cruz is headed for a footnote in history.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:45 pmI am not voting for the rapist. I’m not voting for the woman who married a rapist. And who defended a rapist by defaming a 12 year old girl.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/08/hillary-clinton-refuses-to-apologize-for-laughing-about-12-year-old-rape-victim-she-maligned-in-court/
So I have this guy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/16/draft-dodger-trump-said-sleeping-around-was-my-personal-vietnam.html
Aren’t I the luckiest man alive.
WTH did I do to deserve this?
Steve57 (193d96) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:46 pm@324- ‘I had to speak the truth… It’s going to be an interesting couple of days. The chips will fall where they may.’
He means hours. By Thursday, Trump will speak, Friday HRC reveals her VP pick then on to the next convention the following week. ‘Cruz Newz’ will be as stale toast by Sunday brunch.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:48 pm…Trump literally played him, set him up and exposed him for what he is…
…a man of principle and commitment who honors and protects his family, first and foremost, and is unwavering in his commitment to the Constitution, and to his country.
Thank you, Donald Trump for exposing Ted Cruz to the public. More, please.
Dana (995455) — 7/20/2016 @ 11:59 pmThis election season has not been without its high points. Tonight was another.
I particularly liked: “But, something powerful is happening, we’ve seen it in both parties, we’ve seen it in the United Kingdom’s unprecedented Brexit vote to leave the European Union.” “Both parties” is right.
It also provided a fitting complement to “(W)e live in a world where so many others have had their lives destroyed by evil in places like Orlando, and Paris, and Nice, and Baton Rouge.”
Redefining “us” and “them” is just what this party needs (Breitbart editor Milo Y. is doing yeoman’s along these lines too). Cruz: “That’s the way it’s supposed to be, diversity.”
Finally, I’d like to mention that although I have yet to switch back to the GOP after voting Bernie in the California primary, I feel more strongly than ever that the Republican Party – the party of Lincoln and Reagan – is my party and not the party of the short-fingered interloper. Conservatives didn’t give up on the GOP when Nixon was nominated in 1968 or Gerald Ford in 1976. We shouldn’t give up now. And Cruz is, once again, right: we should vote our conscience. Right now mine is leaning toward Governor Johnson.
ThOR (c9324e) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:01 am…no wonder Trump people want Cruz’s endorsement so badly. That’s some stature indeed.
Dana (995455) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:02 amAs usual, Cruz looked and sounded presidential, and the Trump cult sounded like screaming morons.
FreedomFan (e8929a) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:11 amThe people who need the pacifiers are the Trump-humpers and their idol. Talk about needy! They listened to a speech about the importance of freedom and selecting a leader who will fight for it and it went in one ear and out the other (not that there was anything impeding its passage). They wanted to see Cruz humiliate himself, and dance on his grave. When that didn’t happen, they wailed like spoiled brats. Then they harassed his wife as if she had done something to them besides stand beside him.
The Trumpanzees are still treating the election of the duty-bound defender of the Constitution, our Commander-in-Chief, and so-called Leader Of The Free World as if it is a prom king vote. They acted tonight as if they were attending WrestleMania. It was bad enough in 2008 watching the refreshingly articulate Barack Obama being treated as if he was The Second Coming by Democrats; now a guy who has thoroughly proven he is unfit for the office is being treated as if stagecraft is all that’s needed to solve problems that have tormented much smarter people for decades.
The 2005 comedy Idiocracy is looking less like satire and more like a prophecy.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:14 amYou talk like children.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:17 amcruz is finished he couldn’t get elected dog catcher now! bye bye canaduh turd crud and take your little running dog crud suppository with you.
marco (e2ad2c) — 7/21/2016 @ 12:42 amJohnson/Weld. Cast a vote you won’t have to lie to your grandchildren about.
Nick M. (63e1a7) — 7/21/2016 @ 1:48 amI think that the leftists and/or the truly uninformed have overrun this blog.
What makes a Republican platform, save for conservative ideals? What, if any of Trumps policy initiatives lend itself to a conservative platform? A fence? Please.
What many view as a Savior, is only a mirage, brought on by a hatred of what has transpired these last 16 years. No candidate is going to come across the spectrum being 100% pure to everyone, but Trump has appealed to some within the Republican electorate without the conservative credentials.
At best Trump is Democrat-lite, the Republican version of Obama, whereby some project all their hopes and dreams onto a clean slate.
At his worst, well, I don’t even want to go there.
scott (2bad05) — 7/21/2016 @ 1:51 am@329. More, please– of an empty suit in public office who does not keep his word in his chosen profession.
A pledge to support is a pledge to support.
Canadian Cruz must believe that stuff quilled 240 Julys ago by those long-haired radicals pledging their lives, fortunes and sacred honor was written in disappearing ink.
Sooner or later you’ll understand it isn’t ‘Trump’ people but the Republican party– and the American people, who expected these clowns to stand by their word.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:07 amI’m considering the comprehension level of the people who need to hear me.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:26 amTexas has the biggest losers. What an arrogant turd.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:29 amWhen Texas breaks away from the U.S.A. keep that lying son of a female dog away from us. Texas has the biggest liars.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:31 amTed has a new book coming out,” The Art of a Heel.”
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:52 amTed makes Texans look like big liars.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 2:56 amThey should build a wall around Texas to keep the lying filth of the booshes, Cruz and Rove contained in their own state.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 3:00 amWasted many hours working for that sumbiotch. Never trust a canadian texan. They lie.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 3:28 am322… Cugel? Spot on.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/21/2016 @ 3:50 amhappyfeet – You had Ted and his wife figured out from day one.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 3:56 amthey just don’t have any class
it’s very embarrassing for them Mr. mg
they honestly don’t know any better i think
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:03 amIt’s like you are all turning into a caricature of what the Left thinks of the Right.
What a horror show.
Patterico, are you surprised that the trolls come out to play? They just need to talk all tough to feel good about themselves, or just want to see everything burn. But strangely, they feel differently when the tables are turned.
I want to return to my own planet. This one isn’t it.
Simon Jester (2b5dd3) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:06 amCruz demonstrates what it means to honor your marriage vows,
Trump fans can’t/don’t/won’t understand that,
just like Trump.
People who want to stomp on common decency because they want to play politics.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:45 amtrashbag liz mair started this feud by sending nudie pics of Mr. Trump’s lovely wife Melania Trump to mormon housewives (tacky)
then Mr. The Donald re-tweetered a pic that showed how harvardtrash ted’s sacky sometimes isn’t very comely
this put harvardtrash ted in a bad situation
cause of how he has such a well-documented penchant for not even living with his sacky in the same house he had no choice but to pretend that the re-tweetered pic was a vicious attack (this was another harvardtrash ted lie cause it was actually just a re-tweetered pic of the kind most normal people can just shrug off and not make pretendsies to REALS VICTIMHOOD)
but… something something family values
so then harvardtrash ted and his sacky decided to be obnoxious and classless at the convention (can you spot the non sequitur?)
all cause of idiot trashbag Liz Mair
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:45 amlying ted using a slain officer as a prop for his carnival barking is truly disgusting.
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:50 ampoor taste
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:52 amSigh. Happyfeet, you lie and lie and lie. Even Patterico says so.
I’m so glad you brought up the Goldman Sachs thing. Because Trump has no involvement with them, right?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-turns-to-goldman-sachs-veteran-as-finance-chairman-2016-05-05
But none of that matters. Not when you can insult and deride and lie, lie, lie.
You are an ugly person on the inside, and people like you drive away decent folk. Fortunately, you have many other angry nasty people who are here with you. Flies to offal.
It’s Patterico’s blog, but you and your ilk really stink the place up. I just feel badly he is paying for your nonsense.
Simon Jester (2b5dd3) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:53 amHeh! Cruz is the Skipper on the U.S.S. BUSH
spokanebob (e86321) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:55 amMr. Jester the important thing is now that petulant harvardtrash ted’s done shot his wad we can move forward in a united way to defeat stinkypig and stop her from doing the partial birth judges
the people united will never be defeated i say
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:59 amhappyfeet and mg, why don’t you two go get DCSCA to tickle your epididymides the way Walter Cronkite did it for him.
nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:01 amCharles Hurt sounds like a guy who “swallows hard”.
nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:05 amCruz’ speech congratulated Trump, spoke of what is good about the country, spoke of the need to defeat the Dems
That was all that responsible Trump supporters could have asked for,
But instead,
Like Obama’s messianic throng,
They demanded worship of the man who insulted his wife and father.
It was the Trumpites who made it a scene.
MD in Philly (f00ab0) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:06 amtickle your epididymides
that’s an easy thing to say but if your hopes (like ted’s) should pass away
simply pretend
that you can build them again!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:06 amChildren and dogs need validation — to be reassured that they’re “good boys”, they did the right thing, and the grownups love them. Ted did not pet Trump’s puppies enough.
nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:09 amclinton/nk/2016
mg (31009b) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:10 amCruz masks selfishness by wrapping hmself in the flag of righteousness. He showed why he never accomplished anything in the senate, and just killed any shot he ever had of the White House.
Some Dude (0b7631) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:39 amThere are too many idiots commenting. Where did they come from?
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:17 pm
Look in the mirror
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:42 amStill, praise Cruz, Mao or anyone else that you like but the thought of Hillary appointing five SCOTUS justices should sober one up very quickly.
cedarhill (fb6299) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:45 amThey saw “Lyin’ Ted” on their Google alerts and they thought it would be a fellow Trumpkin shill polishing Trump’s “apple”.
nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:46 amThe only 2 groups of people who like what Cruz did are 1 – hiklary supporters, and 2 – the small contingent of cruz supporters who are so extreme that they would rather see hillary in office in 2016 for cruz to have a 2020 shot, KNOWING that she will appoint SCOTUS judges. like some posters in this blog.
what cruz did was selfish and disastrous.
Some Dude (0b7631) — 7/21/2016 @ 5:56 amharvardtrash arrogance is not ted’s friend
but then who is really
mostly just his sacky and carly fetalroehha
he must be very lonely
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:00 amOut of the 17 initial candidates, Trump was not my first, second, third, or fourth choice. Cruz, however, was my 17th choice because i don’t trust him one bit. He proved me right.
Some Dude (0b7631) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:01 amPatterico = Ted Cruz
Any republican not working for Trump is working for Clinton.
But then… patterico already sold out.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:02 amWanting a movement “castrated” is not an issue. By “issue” I mean policies. Conservatives want certain changes in policies. Just one off the top of my head is ending the lunatic opposition to fossil fuels, as exemplified by Obama’s insane blocking of the Keystone pipeline.
As I said, my guess is you aren’t interested in any actual issues, except where you see the anti-conservative position as opposing Christians. For example if you perceived support for Keystone or fossil fuels as being driven by Christians, then you’d be adamantly opposed to it. There seems to be a of people on the liberal side of the ledger who think like that, and think of themselves as sophisticated, but they’re actually quite demented.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:15 amDon Feder wrote at Front Page, “Ted Cruz is a very small man.”
DN (065d27) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:17 amSoon after Cruz finished speaking, a three-word tweet was published on Hillary Clinton’s account. “Vote your conscience,” it read.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:22 amCruz just gave Trump the roadmap to winning the election.
If trump responds by endorsing Ted’s ideas – the protection of our Freedoms, etc, then trump will bring the conservative voters back into the fold while retaining all the groups that brought him the nomination (anti establishment and anti hillary democrats)
On the other hand, if trump responds with his usual pettiness, then he will have kissed off the conservative base and he doesnt have enough independents voting his way to make up for the loss of the conservative.
joe (debac0) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:25 amspokanebob (e86321) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:55 am
Yes I said a while ago that if Trump loses a close race and Cruz is seen as not having helped, Cruz will be seriously wounded, probably mortally, for 2020. He’ll be hated by a huge block of Republican voters. He’ll be “sore loser Cruz”. The NeverTrumper Cruz supporters can’t seem to figure that out. They resemble the clueless Trumpers in a lot of ways.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:25 amThe NeverTrumper Cruz supporters can’t seem to figure that out.
And Cruz can’t figure that out apparently.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:35 amPatterico
Hillary thanks you this morning for your reasoned and responsible support of Ted Cruz.
Like you, Hillary is a firm believer in the Rule of Law and already believes America is Great and applauds your steadfast belief in your values and sticking with them — what a uniquely American trait.
Best wishes, Patterico
Signed
Hillary Clinton, your next President and Commander in Chief.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:36 amRepublicans will do anything to hurt Cruz because he is a threat to the corrupt enterprise the GOP has become. They will particularly target him when he comes up for re-election in 2018. I have never given to a candidate 2+ years before an election until now, but I gave to Cruz’s Senate campaign today and I made it a recurring monthly donation.
Cruz is a principled conservative and the GOP doesn’t want him. In fact, the GOP hates Cruz. That speaks volumes about how pathetically low the party has sunk under McConnell, Ryan and Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:36 amBen Shapiro just said on his radio show that Trump signed off on Cruz’ speech and then had his supporters to boo Cruz. The speech wasn’t anti Trump but for some reason Trump wants to make it seem that way.
AZ Bob (d6a3a9) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:37 amPatterico:
You haven’t been around much recently but they have been here for some time. These are your commenters now.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:39 amre: 374 – Joe, thank you, exactly this.
Gerald, (re: 375) you have set out the bet, with plenty of caveats. Cruz understands that if Trump wins, Cruz is an outsider Senator. Hmm, what is he now?
Cruz understands that if Trump loses, he is the presumptive Candidate for 2020.
All you unhinged Trump supporters attacking Cruz for not kissing Trump’s ring, can kiss my azz. Cruz was a statesman, and his positions will stand the test of time, as will his speech. Trump is a clown – each of his kids would actually be a better office-holder – as they display at least a modicum of class.
Dear Host, Keeping azzhats like happyfeet around will draw more vermin.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:43 amDRJ
Patterico has become King of Idiots, the head jester in his own court… is this really a surprise?
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:44 amGerald A,
What Cruz and his supporters know is that principles matter, and they are worth standing up for even if some people don’t care or have given up. His principles didn’t win this election but they are the formula that actually made America great. They will be needed again when the corrupt leaders fail.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:44 amI can see that you folks here are on the wrong side of history as usual. Here was I thinking you would bury the hatchet and get behind your nominee to stop the emergence of Hillary Clinton who has vowed to continue the ongoing islamization of America and the western world. I hope you all get what you are asking for. It’s a big shame.
The Emperor (03ff06) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:44 amNot only is it a roadmap, Cruz gave the speech he would have given as the nominee. It is the road map that made America great and will make it great again. But Trump is too busy playing games with his new power to care, let alone notice.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:48 amFine how did the last circlejerk workout in 2010, Chris coins has been searchlight’s reliable poodle.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:49 amFine stand for principle, though I’m not sure what exactly the principle is here. Free trade? My point is Cruz will NOT be the nominee in 2020 if Trump loses, and a lot of people, including Cruz I believe, seemingly think he will be.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:57 amWow. Can this be confirmed?
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:01 amWhose turn is it to do the overnight changing, your mama or your da-da?
Jeez Louise. It’s almost as if you didn’t win.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:07 amThey were going to take away the nomination at the convention, how did that work out.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:08 amThere are too many idiots commenting. Where did they come from?
Patterico (72bd42) — 7/20/2016 @ 10:17 pm
Well I think the biggest idiot of the bunch, crappyfeet the hipster doofus, might be from LA, although it’s been noticeably absent on the recent cop killings. Too busy crafting his witty gems:
“I refer to law enforcement as pigs especially the piggy piggy fascists of the LAPD”
Jack Klompus (25abb4) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:09 amhappyfeet (8ce051) — 11/1/2013 @ 2:40 pm
There’s a reason the loon is the state bird of Minnesota, L.N. Smithee.
nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:10 am(For real, it is.)
Christian slater, you know him best.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:11 amHey… Maybe Ted Cruz will be Hillary’s number one for VP and the blowout surprise of the DNC
Great Bumper Sticker: Crooked Hillary & Lyin’ Ted 2016
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:11 amDSCSA was here in trolling for Obama as late as 2009. Now he’s acting like he feels betrayed by Cruz.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:12 amWhat soy you think red queen will do to texas, besides shut down the oil fields and proactive the churches because crimethink.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:13 am“Well I think the biggest idiot of the bunch, crappyfeet the hipster doofus, might be from LA, although it’s been noticeably absent on the recent cop killings.”
No, I think its Patterico for throwing his party under the bus, siding with Ted Cruz and Hillary, all the while thinking he’s made a reasoned and responsible decision.
The dust bin of history is full of these idiots.
Lieutenant Colonel Nicholson comes to mind in “The Bridge On The River Kwai” as a good parallel for Patterico’s treasonous folly.
Pts (ce7fc3) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:17 amDRJ has captured my thoughts, but with more clarity than I tend to have.
I’m not surprised that Cruz (and by extension his supporters) are booed off the stage. The GOP has said it doesn’t want us to be part of the party. Most of us won’t vote for Trump in November, and while I’m sure some of the rabble will blame Cruz and his supporters for that, remember that you guys explicitly rejected our views, even though many of you realize our views are correct.
Maybe he will and maybe he won’t. The establishment will push fear hard in 2020 when (not if, of course) Trump loses.
But it’s this same establishment whose actions said they prefer Hillary to Cruz.
Trump thinks Hillary would be a great president. He donated to her. He campaigns as though he wants or at least doesn’t mind for) her to win, but also needs to blame someone.
Trump’s hatred of Cruz has never really made any sense, but he’s slung horrible comments at Cruz’s wife and dad and apparently organized booing of Cruz at the convention for no reason. I didn’t hear anything in the speech telling people not to vote for Trump, but I don’t think Trump’s voters actually understood the speech. All they know is that Cruz is bad.
Gerald may be right, come 2020. Trump has kept on damaging the GOP’s best long since there was no reason to. Gerald can be mad at Cruz’s supporters today, but shouldn’t he be more interested in the GOP nominee lashing out at the GOP’s future? I don’t recall Romney or W acting like that at the convention.
Please listen to Cruz’s speech again, and this time really try to understand, as I don’t think it’s that hard to follow.
I know we’re at the point now where it’s HILLARY IS SATAN 24/7 and any intelligent comment about your corrupt nominee is the same as sacrificing a baby to Hillary, but sometimes you appear to be a little smarter than the rest of Trump’s rabble.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:19 amOne request: please stop aiding the opposition…
http://spectator.org/democrats-with-bylines/
Colonel Haiku (697687) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:20 amThey really don’t care about religious liberty or law enforcement or the war of all against all, coronello, of that isn’t clear by now.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:24 amToo much Goldwater. Not enough Reagan. Cruz did a good job explaining who is, what he believes and how best to move forward but he undermined his principled argument this AM during Q and A with the Texas delegation. It’s hard for me to see how he will return to the Senate with more allies for the fights ahead than he left with.
crazy (fcf2fd) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:24 amGerald:
This disappoints me. Did you even listen to Cruz speak? Apparently you didn’t understand it if you did listen. Here is a transcript and here is the theme:
America is about freedom — individual freedom from government intrusion and heavy-handed taxation, religious freedom, freedom to raise your children with your values, to pick your own healthcare, to own guns, and to speak your mind, including on the internet. Cruz spoke about these basic American principles, something not many leaders do anymore.
How can you and others here not see and respect that? Threads like this are too depressing to continue to read and I refuse to do it anymore.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:27 amStopping the momentum of the secular progressives requires intelligent, thoughtful leadership. Unfortunately, the Republican electorate didn’t want that. They wanted a demonstrably dishonest and ignorant con man who was not too long ago one of those secular progressives.
I don’t know what you mean by “you all” as if you aren’t an American, but in my estimation there is no “right side of history” when you have to choose between which handbasket you want to go to hell in.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:29 amBy the year 2056, Hillary’s Supreme Court appointments will probably be deceased or at least infirmed and retired from the Court.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:32 amSome people may think that’s a long time to have to wait in order to undo her damage, but if you truly believe in the right principles, you’ll be willing to wait!
It’s like waiting all winter for some nice ripe juicy summer peaches. Only we’ll have to wait for 40 winters. (LOL)
No we’ll get it back in quarter quells, what district so you reside in.
narciso (732bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:34 amGerald, Cruz takes a broader view than you do.
Right now it’s Trump’s job to unify the party. He’s your leader. What leadership has Trump offered to unify the party? So far he had his rabble boo the man he hates, even after approving Cruz’s speech. Cruz’s speech was conspicuous in how it did not criticize Trump. Trump should have praised Cruz’s vision and apologized for his cruel comments about Cruz’s wife and his beyond the pale remarks about Cruz’s father. That would be unusual only because Trump’s tactics against Cruz were so awful. But the onus isn’t on Cruz to polish Trump’s boots. Trump’s the one who promised he could win, and winning requires earning back support from a badly fractured party.
But Trump failed last night. He had his rabble out booing Cruz and calling him a liar again, for no apparent reason. I think Trump wants to make clear this is HIS party, not the party of Cruz or his supporters.
When Trump loses, it will be blamed on him. He’s built a very weak operation so far. I look back to Trump’s fawning praise of Hillary in 2013, and his donations to her presidential campaign, and note that Trump does not mind Hillary winning nearly as much as the actual partisans mind. Why didn’t Trump fight the lady he supported recently? That will be a burning question in November.
Sure, you’re going to tell us it’s all Cruz’s fault and therefore, out of some weird sense of justice, we can’t support Cruz in 2020. But Cruz would be winning the election right now. I thought you wanted to beat Hillary.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:36 amHillary will thank and remember the Nevertrumpers for her eight years in the White House. Willy had Ross Perot, and Hillary has the oh-so-righteous gang. My wife and I put in some volunteer hours for Cruz and donated a few bucks, but I just unsubscribed when I received his “The fight goes on” email. I suppose he feels good after last night’s little superiority dance, but I just see him as a little sore loser.
Paul (75c17a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:37 amI hope you read long enough to read this: This love affair with Trump and pumping him up as someone he isn’t now and will never be has decimated the integrity of many of the commentators, the writers, and journalists I’ve trusted for nearly two decades to be reasonably intellectually honest. Fox News, for one, will never be the same after Trump.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:38 amThis is what Ted Cruz really proved last night:
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:40 amI feel the same way, L.N.
DRJ (15874d) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:42 amScuse me? You may wanna re-read that history book. Bill Clinton had Perot. Hillary Clinton has Trump.
You’re welcome.
L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:42 amYes, the consequences of Hillary winning will be terrible.
This is a decent reason to vote for Trump.
Trump is just so bad too. His Supreme Court appointments could be just as bad as Hillary’s. He has pledged they would be better, but he always breaks his pledge. He sees promises as a trick, not as a bond. Do you understand? By telling us Trump is not as bad as Hillary, you’re telling us to value Trump’s word over his actions. You’re telling us to trust a con artist.
With Trump, actions speak louder than words. His actions were pro-Hillary all the way. His heart is on the left, and I think it’s more to the left than Hillary’s is. Late term abortions, amnesty, even communism. Single payer health care. Seizing property to hand over to the connected. Oppression of free speech, control over dissent, abuse of critics.
Hillary is just following the polls and triangulating. She has no core beliefs. It’s all about her ambition and covering up corruption. She is weak, and this is good since she’s wrong. And functionally, there would be a political party opposing Hillary, but who would oppose Trump when he betrayed the right?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:44 amDustin is the USA Today of political analysis.
Colonel Haiku (697687) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:48 amJust sayin’…
Colonel Haiku (697687) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:48 amMy request is even simpler: Know who your opposition is.
My opposition is Trump and Hillary. I don’t intend to aid them. You seem to be skipping a step and telling me Trump is somehow ‘on my side’. How on earth is Trump on my side? His rabble is booing Cruz for offering a great speech. Read Cruz’s speech and admit the people booing that speech at the opposition.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:50 amIf we truly gave a damn, we would become volunteer bodyguards and 24 hour medical and EMT staff to Alito, Thomas, Kennedy, and Roberts with that roll call order reflecting the magnitude of the enthusiasm for that task. With the SC “lock-boxed” and no changes to the house and senate margins (and going for 70 – Senate and 300 – House in 2018), it would just be another 4 years of President Tune-Out. WRT to the SC, I think fathers time and diabetes make it better odds that notorious, bull, wise one and baldy exit stage left.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:53 amI specifically mean the principle that says “Don’t vote for Trump”. What part of Cruz’s speech was that?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:36 am
Judging by your clueless comments you seem to think I’m a Trumper. I was a strong Cruz supporter and voted for him in the primary. I argued repeatedly with the ludicrous statements of the Trumpers, and still do sometimes.
Some of the NeverTrumper arguments seem exactly like the ludicrous things the Trumpers said about Cruz, e.g. he’s against a wall. For starters there’s the continual utterly groundless insistence that Trump will appoint liberals to SCOTUS (although Patterico interestingly concedes that he won’t do that). Trump supports the Second Amendment and clearly gets that it’s a goner if Hillary wins. The NeverTrumpers and Trumpers increasingly seem like two sides of the same coin to me.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:02 amOh hey, it’s Haiku. He’s exposed to an argument that challenges dumb partisanship. He responds with an insult. He ignores the argument. He then explains it’s all in humor and he actually wishes me well. Haiku is really worried he might look like what he is.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:07 amTed Cruz is a petty little man who would put family issues over saving this country for what is certainly going to be a third Obama term. Trump is not the best but he still represents the best for America. Dark days loom ahead as we watch this nation spiral further down into more of the shit it already has found itself in under 8 years of Obama. Congratulations Ted Cruz and the sore losers who support him.
The Emperor (03ff06) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:17 amWhat it boils down to, CS is it does not matter who we get as President, we are gonna get f*cked. Again. I don’t want revenge. I just don’t give a damn anymore. And you just don’t seem to understand: I live in California. My vote doesn’t mean anything anyway. I could vote for Trump all you like. Hillary is STILL taking the electoral votes- the ones that actually matter- in this state.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:20 amEvery champ needs a heel on the day, right?
Even if it means shooting yourself in the foot and mortifying allies.
Speaking of which, in the other thread, someone described Muammar Ghaddafi as a betrayed de facto “ally” of the United States, presumably in the context of current deployments against, and concerns about, violently radical Islamic revolutionaries.
Let’s just say that, quite apart from the great, foolish cruelties and backwardness he imposed on ordinary Libyans and the long record of active hostility towards the US and its allies, his value as an ally in this struggle was questionable.
Meanwhile here is the Sagacity of Trump on the response to a Russian invasion of the Baltic countries, who are fellow NATO members and official US allies:
SANGER: My point here is, Can the members of NATO, including the new members in the Baltics, count on the United States to come to their military aid if they were attacked by Russia? And count on us fulfilling our obligations ——
TRUMP: Have they fulfilled their obligations to us? If they fulfill their obligations to us, the answer is yes.
HABERMAN: And if not?
TRUMP: Well, I’m not saying if not. I’m saying, right now there are many countries that have not fulfilled their obligations to us.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:40 amGerald, let’s look at your two assertions in that comment, which are as accurate as everything else in your comment:
That’s not true.
Trump has said Maryanne Trump Barry would be a ‘phenomenal’ Supreme Court justice. Barry is extremely liberal, to the left of Souter and Ginsburg, and supports partial birth abortion. Therefore Trump has praised appointing a liberal to the Supreme Court rather specifically.
Before Trump was a GOP primary contender, he was a die hard lefty.
Then Trump offered a list of Supreme Court picks. But Trump heavily qualified what the list was, as the host explained in detail here.
Furthermore, Trump promises to make deals with Reid and Pelosi. His candidacy is certain to enrich the democrat Senate and House with many freshmen Trump would need to make these deals with.
You said this was utterly groundless. I just gave you three solid grounds. I would go further that you only have the word of a known hustler that Trump would nominate judges I would like. I’m not a sucker.
That’s not true.
You can point to Trump’s statements to show he’s really super-conservative, and I could reply with many to show he’s actually said whatever he thinks will work on whatever audience. We could look at Trump’s actions in business, family life, and politics to show that he’s really just a dishonest man, and no Trump promise is worth anything.
This is a guy who said “Hillary would make a great president”. How great could his Supreme Court picks possibly be if he meant that? He praised Hillary, Reid, Pelosi for many years. He seems to mean it. And if he didn’t mean it, then why trust what he says today?
Gerald, you insulted me as clueless because I think you’re a ‘Trumper’. Where did that come from? I certainly never said that. I don’t think I’ve ever used that expression, and I don’t think I’ve ever characterized your point of view for you or put words in your mouth (like you just did to me).
I don’t actually care what you ‘are’. I care that Trump has trashed the hopes for the GOP at a time when we had some.
I’m not agitating against your support for Trump. Vote for him. I personally am convinced the election won’t be close, and accept Hillary will be wrong on everything from the Oval Office. I think most Americans will see Trump as a great threat to our republic’s future, and see Hillary as “wrong within normal parameters.”
At any rate, if you’re just going to insult me and put words in my mouth I’ll probably stop interacting with you, but I have fun having these discussions so I’d prefer we just have the back and forth like adults.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:46 amToo many trump supporters are bashing Cruz for not jumping on the Trump bandwagon and wanting to blame cruz for his likely losing the election –
What the trump supporters apparently are smart enough to recognize is the Cruz gave trump a roadmap on how to win – – support the ideals of freedom and individual rights. The conservatives who dont trust trump will then move back into the trump column.
the more important question is whether Trump is smart enough to recognize the opportunity
joe (debac0) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:49 amI readily admit that neverTrump is an extreme position, one I will not ask anyone to join me in. It’s a choice I’ve made for myself. I’m not so sure about Trump’s ability to choose SCOTUS nominees, although Pence may have a chance at influencing that. For me to believe that Trump supports the 2nd, along with the rest of the Constitution, he’s going to have to prove it to me. He does have a track record of abusing it when it suits him.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:54 amJP,
Trump loves Putin. He likes communist strong men. He praised the Tienanmen Square Massacre. Trump would find a way out of our treaties if it meant facing Putin. Bullies pick on the weak, not the strong. This won’t make the world a better place.
If you care about national security, Hillary isn’t that great either but she’s at least not ignorant, as Trump proved to be on that Hugh Hewitt interview when he didn’t know who the Kurds were. Trump strikes me as the kind of guy to fire anyone who isn’t a yes-man. He’s too brittle to be a great world leader.
You think those are two separate groups? Why? I’ve seen more Alinksy stuff from Trump and his fans than I ever say from Obama. Read his 12 rules and tell me that isn’t the playbook Trump is operating from.
Some of you guys, Cruz Supporter and Haiku in particular, think comments on patterico.com are somehow changing the course of the election, and we’re so powerful we’re actually foisting Hillary on you because we didn’t get the nominee we liked. This is hilarious and I would normally like laughing about it, but it’s also delusional. Comments on the internet are entertainment. They are not political action. Go man a phone bank or drive nursing home residents to the polls. Knock on doors. I used to do stuff like that. It’s infinitely more productive. Everyone here has a point of view already… few minds will be changed, and probably zero votes from Trump to Hillary.
No, I’m not punishing you with Hillary because you didn’t pick Cruz. If any of the non-insane commenters here had that kind of power the country would probably be in a much better place right now.
But in many ways, Trump really is worse than Hillary even to me, a guy who has voted for the GOP for president 100% up to now. That’s why he’s going to lose.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:58 amI’m not trying to make the sky blue. It just is.
Gerald, you insulted me as clueless because I think you’re a ‘Trumper’. Where did that come from? I certainly never said that. I don’t think I’ve ever used that expression, and I don’t think I’ve ever characterized your point of view for you or put words in your mouth (like you just did to me).
What is this supposed to mean, other than that I preferred Trump to Cruz?
You seem to not even know what you’re saying half the time.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:01 am“These are my values. If you don’t like them, I have others.” – Groucho Marx.
Bill H (971e5f) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:02 amhuh, what’s the wall for again?
They don’t even go to the back of the line. I can see why Trump thinks Hillary would be a great president… this is her immigration plan too.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:08 amGerald,
What is what supposed to mean? When did I ever say you prefer Trump to Cruz? Are you confusing me with someone else?
Can you quote something I actually said, with a hyperlink, and then explain what’s wrong with it? You’re scaring all the strawmen.
Also, have you abandoned your arguments about Trump on judges and guns? You used the term ‘utterly groundless’. Care to admit you were mistaken or defend your point of view? Or do you just want to talk about how you preferred Cruz to Trump, and I was really mean that time that I said you didn’t… that time you’ll be quoting any second now… … … except I don’t even care about that and you made that up.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:18 amYou are delusional bordering on nuts.
But funny. Funny as Hell.
Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:22 amBefore Trump was a GOP primary contender, he was a die hard lefty.
This is ridiculous. He supported and contributed to McCain and Romney in 2008 and 2012.
Trump Endorses McCain
I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
He did say that but he also owns a hand gun. He’s not a gun grabber.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:27 amWhat is what supposed to mean?
This:
But Cruz would be winning the election right now. I thought you wanted to beat Hillary.
What did you mean by that? If you’re not arguing about who I supported in the primaries what are you talking about? This is probably my last communication with you. You kind of remind me of ropelight.
Gerald A (945582) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:29 am@371. Of course it’s an issue. A very basic one that has warped national politics in the modern era since 1964. Moving away from entrenched ideologues to pragmatic realists, regardless of party affiliation is a good thing and log overdue.
@395. On the contrary. He betrayed himself and compromised his integrity by breaking his word. Empty suits like that are ten million dimes a dozen at Goldman-Sachs.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:43 amWhere’s the insult, Dustin? You put the anal in “analyst”… complete with a pie chart.
Colonel Haiku (697687) — 7/21/2016 @ 10:00 amDustin, I agree that Trump does seem to accentuate the positives of certain autocrats and single-party states. Maybe that is an instinct, maybe it amuses him, maybe it is part of his shtick – maybe it is all three at once.
In any event, it indicates that he has little grasp of the vulnerability of a lot of these regimes, or the seriousness with which their activities (friendly, hostile, or otherwise) should be handled. Nor has he noted the general suspicion in which these states’ political leaders hold liberal societies like the US.
It indicates that he doesn’t really know (or care) who America’s traditional and reliable partners are in the world, or what interests are at stake in permitting authoritarian (and even outright rogue) regimes to throw their weight around.
Hillary may not even be better on national security than a pig-ignorant Trump. Let’s say Trump might threaten to fly off the handle and manage to spook actual and would-be international miscreants. Not great, but maybe relations with the Islamic Republic could do with sterner stuff than “robust debate” and the odd naval incident.
Hillary comes across as irresolute and lacking in the judgment department.
She attempted to blame an entirely forseeable security collapse on an American filmmaker; this was an affront to statecraft, an insult to public servants who died in the legitimate defence of US persons and property, and a disgraceful capitulation to illiberal sentiment.
She willfully risked American state secrets so she could… Well, I’m not quite clear on the why she kept a private server and maintained multiple devices. At best, it was careless and clumsy; at worst, premeditated and criminal. Neither conclusion is particularly encouraging.
Trump could bludgeon her on all of this. Oddly enough, he hasn’t done much of that.
JP (bd5dd9) — 7/21/2016 @ 10:25 amIf you use context clues, like the previous sentence, you’ll see I was showing that Cruz is going to viable in 2020 because of remorse that we did not nominate him in 2016. I was disagreeing with your assertion that Cruz is toast in 2020, which you’ve repeated many times in this thread. I did not assert you didn’t support Cruz in 2016, nor is that relevant to the conversation. Nor is it really something you should be so touchy about.
By all means stop communicating with me if you want. You made a number of ridiculous claims, and when I explained you were wrong, you weren’t man enough to respond. For example you talked about how it was utterly groundless to question Trump’s judicial appointments, and I provided proof he had proposed appointing a die hard lefty to the Supreme Court (among other issues).
You’re one of those commenters that wants to talk about the other commenters, particularly negatively. You don’t really want to talk about the issues. That’s boring to me. A good commenter is able to admit when they are wrong once in a while.
You insulted me in the comment where you denied insulting me. You’re still the same old Haiku… passive aggressive to a fault. Not worth my time to bother with I suppose.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 4:18 pm