Patterico's Pontifications

Canned herring past expiration date?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:20 am

Once the investigation is completed, I’m certain that reasonable people will be able to conclude that it was all George Bush’s fault.

The Democratic Party shill Dana (3e4784) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:24 am

No, I don’t think so, (h/t Michelle Malkin)

A Norwegian prosecutor has filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he’s deported from the Nordic country.

The indictment, obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, centers on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various media, including American network NBC.

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:34 am

Yah Ole Pedersen
says lutefisk all over place
norwegian nightmare

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:41 am

ten thousand swedes were
running through the weeds chased by
naked Norwegian

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:43 am

Why did Olav Fløgstad take a ladder with him to the supermarket?

Because he’d heard the food prices in Oslo were extremely high.

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:46 am

A Norwegian prosecutor has filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he’s deported from the Nordic country.

Did he actually threaten politicians? Or just predict they would die, and/or exhort his followers to kill them?

/Reinhardt

Patterico (f724ca) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:46 am

How do you say “genius” in Norwegian?

the word is “tourist”.

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:47 am

You know Patterico, Krekar is just Kurdish for Fricotti,

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:50 am

Jay Nordlinger of National Review wrote a series of “Impromptus” about his visit to Norway and he was left with the impression that much like Sweden, Norway has been much too accommodating to Muslims.

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:51 am

Need updates? The staycationing Allahpundit is following this story on teh Twitter.

Karl (f07e38) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:33 am

From Twitter:

yassin musharbash
Brynjar Lia, one of the leading norwegian terror experts, tells me that place of explo is strong indication of it being terror attack #oslo

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:35 am

“Did he actually threaten politicians? Or just predict they would die, and/or exhort his followers to kill them?”

Patterico – The 9th Circuit is attempting to get the Norwegian indictment thrown out as we speak.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:41 am

Col Haiku, I haven’t heard a reference to that song, “The Battle of Copenhagen” in more than 20 years. Of course, my wife’s Danish uncle used to sing it with 40,000 Swedes.

BarSinister (1d074f) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:53 am

Must have been creationist right Charles Johnsonless?

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:58 am

It is written in the Hadiths that Infidels are not to be allowed to produce and export petroleum – unless they, of course, sign Treaties of Friendship with the Benevolent Islamic Republic of Iran.

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:00 am

Apparently, this was a relatively small bomb, typical of untrained people who either:

1) Blow themselves up (sometimes killing other people near the bomb factory)

2) The bomb is a relative dud.

Effective bombs are really hard to build and you can’t learn how to build them over the Internet.

If the bomb had worked as intended, you’d suspect a larger organization.

Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:06 am

Just how did McVeigh learn to build a bomb that brought down the Murrah Building in OKC?

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:11 am

There’s also a shooter; maybe a different location but similarly timed.

Israel had to lighten up its gun laws and get everyone armed to put a damper on walk-up shooters.

luagha (5cbe06) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:20 am

The shooting (subautomatic machine gun) appears to have taken place at a Labor Party youth camp near Oslo.

Dana (4eca6e) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:41 am

NRK is reporting that an unknown group called “Helpers of the Global Jihad” have posted a message that this is only the beginning of the reaction to Norwegian periodicals publishing the Muhammed cartoons, according to Andrew Boyle, a journalist in Norway.

No surprise.

Dana (4eca6e) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:44 am

“bomb is a relative dud”?

from ABC News: “At least one of two explosions that rocked a Norwegian government building in Oslo today was result of a massive vehicle bomb, according to U.S. government sources on the scene.”

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:45 am

LOL, Bar Sinister. I have a friend of Norwegian heritage who some 20 years ago gave me a copy of “The Book of Norwegian Jokes” and it was some of the funniest stuff I have ever read. I only wish I could remember where I put it.

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:48 am

“bomb is a relative dud”?

Commenter is an absolute dud!

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:49 am

the apprenticeship
of Sammy Finkleman keep
plucking that chicken!

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 10:55 am

Death count is up to seven now. Very grisly photos out there.

All this because they didn’t want someone to be able to draw a cartoon?

Innocent people don’t have the right to stay alive, but some idiot thinks he has the right to control the speech of everyone on the planet?

Dustin (b7410e) — 7/22/2011 @ 12:08 pm

Maybe they can build a victory mosque where the dead bodies were found.

Like Park 51, they can then preach intolerance of free speech Mohammad Cartoons while demanding tolerance of victory mosques.

Dustin (b7410e) — 7/22/2011 @ 12:10 pm

the halal lutefisk
did nothing to dissuade the
Religion of Peace®

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 12:14 pm

I’m of full Norwegian heritage. I’m still waiting to hear from my relatives and friends in that area. The snark is not appreciated. Would you folks have welcomed such jokes in the hours after 9/11? And no more cracks about Norwegian intelligence. I’m a Mensan and score far above the minimum requirements for admission to that group.

Mark Folkestad (9c9f8a) — 7/22/2011 @ 2:04 pm

Some of the smartest people in the world do the dumbest things Mark.

As George Orwell said:

“There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”

I hope all of your friends and relatives are safe.

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 2:46 pm

photos of horror
I hope they catch the bastards
all apologies

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 4:46 pm

colonel full of beans
extend my hand Mensan Mark
across the fjord

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/22/2011 @ 4:49 pm

Haiku is not to my taste. But I’ll take your apology. We have a lot to learn about the attacker. 32 and an ethnic Norwegian. Norway’s domestic politics don’t include the sort of thinking that produced the Oklahoma City bombing, and the dual attack was too complex for it to be easily carried to completion by a deranged loner. There has to be a conversion to Islam involved.

Mark Folkestad (9c9f8a) — 7/22/2011 @ 5:02 pm

There’s usually something about terrorist incidents that suggests what the perpetrators had in mind. With Oklahoma City it was the target (a federal building) and the fact that the bombing coincided with the anniversary of the end of the Waco seige. Today’s incidents in Norway seemed closely targeted at the governing Labor Party. This seems especially true of the shootings at the Labor Party youth camp.

This could certainly still be an Al Qaeda event or otherwise related to Islamic jihadism, but the targets and the identification of the suspect as ethnic Norwegian make domestic terror seem a bit more likely. We’ll find out one way or the other fairly soon, presumably.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 5:25 pm

“Would you folks have welcomed such jokes in the hours after 9/11?”

No.

This isn’t the time for jokes about, or criticisms of Norwegians, no matter how well intentioned.

And, let’s not forget that Norway is a long time FORMAL ally of America.

If this is purely an internal criminal matter, then I’m sure the Norwegians can handle it. If it involves foreign terrorists or foreign governments…then that means war with the USA.

No one attacks our allies and gets away with it (as far as I’m concerned). Attack Norway and that’s EXACTLY the same as attacking America.

No matter what the circumstances, this American backs Norway all the way, and I’m sorry this happened.

Dave Surls (28f866) — 7/22/2011 @ 5:39 pm

With all due respect, I do question the intelligence of the Nobel Prize committee. Scandinavia is apparently simpatico to both Islam and leftards world vision. I mean come on, Peace Prize to the likes of Jimmuh Carter, Arafish, algore and Urkel?? How many people did W help liberate versus how many Urkel freed?

So what is the consensus of the man in the street in Oslo? More bending over for Allah or death be upon them? I’ve read that parts of major Swedish cities are quite dangerous for women not in burqas and thus considered worthy of rape.

Calypso Louie Farrakhan (e18d43) — 7/22/2011 @ 5:46 pm

Well, the word is that the attacker was an ethnic Norwegian with a hostility to Islam. This is a great surprise to me.

Feel free to attack the Nobel Peace Prize committee. The insane leftists have the majority there. This is sad, because a number of people believe that Alfred Nobel specified that that sole prize was to be awarded by the Norwegians because his fellow Swedes had become jaded pacifists who did not understand the concepts of self-defense and just war.

Mark Folkestad (9c9f8a) — 7/22/2011 @ 6:15 pm

The death toll from the shootings at the Labor Party youth camp in Norway has now been raised to at least 80. Norwegian law enforcement authorities have identified the suspect they have in custody and described him as a “right-wing extremist” according to the NYT.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 7:48 pm

I am shocked that a leftist is trying to smear people on the right wi the actions of a whack job in Norway. Shocked.

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 7:51 pm

Are you referring to the Norwegian police, JD?

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 7:56 pm

By the description of Breivik, this looks like an act of the “Oslo Militia”?

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:02 pm

Right wing here and right wing there are about the same as apples and aardvarks. I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that a tragedy is politicized by leftists at the NY Times, and yourself. It saddens me that you would do so, it is not the least bit of a surprise that the Times would do so.

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:09 pm

If you’ve read Stieg Larsson, he thought that Sweden,despite it’s socialist facade, had a deeply
reactionary core, the big evil is the SAPO, which
in the books, shelter a former KGB official turned
defector with a homicidal streak

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:17 pm

JD, I’m not smearing anyone, I simply linked to the top story on Google new, which reports what the police in Norway are now saying.

This thread has been full of speculative discussion about what was behind the tragedy in Norway. I’m just following the news and posting links, like other parties in the discussion.

I haven’t said or implied anything about “right wing here, right wing there.” From what’s been disclosed so far, I don’t see any connection to U.S. politics at all. You might relax a little and not jump to conclusions quite so quickly.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:21 pm

So don’t rule Islam out of the Oslo picture, not just yet. Think of the level of destruction the killer managed to accomplish — how unreasonable would it be to assume the backing and assistance of people who have proved themselves proficient at making very, very powerful bombs and detonating them in major cities?

No matter what conclusions the Norwegian government comes to, look for a “second terrorist”. Or a third, or a fourth…

Anybody who is interested in the idea and can read Norwegian should start investigating this right now. If any evidence of such complicity exists, it’s a good bet that it has already begun to disappear.

Whether this is a stretch or reasonable, I do agree that any possible complicity would be made to disappear. Especially by a country that seeks peace in all of its corners.

Dana (4eca6e) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:21 pm

Pointing out that you and the NY Times are calling the suspect a right wing extremist is now jumping to conclusions?!

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:22 pm

Google News

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:22 pm

Hm. I do agree that any possible complicity ~~would~~ might be made to disappear

Dana (4eca6e) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:25 pm

JD, actually, it’s Norwegian law enforcement that’s labeling the suspect.

Christ, man, I just posted a link. Ease up.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:26 pm

And I am just pointing out that a right winger in Norway and a right winger here have about as much in common as Barcky does with the truth. Having just recently watch right wingers be vilified for the actions of a whack job in Arizona during Giffords, I do not think it is at all unreasonable to push back on a meme that you and the NY Times seem all too happy to push.

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:30 pm

An automated Google translation of a story at VG Nett (the web site of a national newspaper in Norway) includes this passage
Critical of Islam

In online debates marks Anders Behring Breivik as well read, and one with strong opinions about Norwegian politics. He promotes a very conservative opinions, which he also called nationalist. He expresses himself strongly opposed to multiculturalism — that cultural differences can live together in a community.

Breivik has had many posts on the site Document.no, an Islam-critical site that publishes news and commentary.

In one of the posts he states that politics today no longer revolves around socialism against capitalism, but that the fight is between nationalism and internationalism. He expressed clear support for the nationalist mindset.

Anders Breivik Behring has also commented on the Swedish news articles, where he makes it clear that he believes the media have failed by not being “NOK” Islam-critical.

http://volokh.com/2011/07/22/48749/

elissa (21ece0) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:31 pm

JD, I’m not pushing anything.

Calm down, have another beer, maybe nap a little. When we need another “douchnozzle” or “r-a-a-a-c-i-s-t” joke, we’ll have someone wake you up.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:36 pm

I don’t drink, so you can shove your sanctimonious BS up your ass. You pulled the “right wing extremist” quote out of that whole article. Yu did that. And I pointed out it was complete BS.

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:41 pm

Well, then have some tea lad. No need to upset yourself. I’m sure there will be several “douchenozzle” opportunities before the night is out.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:44 pm

You sure can be a condescending prck. Goodnight, all.

JD (318f81) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:45 pm

Ta.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/22/2011 @ 8:46 pm

There has been a marked push back against the MultiCulti philosophy in the Netherlands since the killing of van Gogh, and Fortuyn (witness the acquittal of Wilders); there is no reason to think that the same train of thought could not be found in Scandinavia which has (at least in Norway and Sweden) a large problematic Muslim immigrant community.

AD-RtR/OS! (7b7c30) — 7/22/2011 @ 9:02 pm

“There has been a marked push back against the MultiCulti philosophy in the Netherlands since the killing of van Gogh, and Fortuyn (witness the acquittal of Wilders); there is no reason to think that the same train of thought could not be found in Scandinavia which has (at least in Norway and Sweden) a large problematic Muslim immigrant community.”

I wonder if this guy is part of push back against the “multiculti philosophy.”

It was interesting to watch the online tone from the islamophobic webosphere change throughout the day yesterday. Over on freerepublic they were even holding out hope of a hair-dyed convert or something.

nada (e9ef3a) — 7/23/2011 @ 2:55 am

Reuters reports the deadly attacks in Norway are a result of right-wing extremism. The alleged gunman has now been identified as Anders Behring Breivik. His Facebook page lists his religious views as Christian and his political views as conservative. He considered himself a “nationalist” and was strongly opposed to multiculturalism and to Islam.

Dad (3ce3fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 4:48 am

______________________________________________

The alleged gunman has now been identified as Anders Behring Breivik.

Along with being opposed to Islam, I read that the guy also apparently admired Winston Churchill. Perhaps only in the setting of super liberal Scandinavian society would a fanatic of the right — if not an ultra-conservative — gravitate towards someone like Churchill and be indignant about a peculiarly reactionary theology founded by Mohammed. It must be like a non-leftist growing up in the context of ultra-liberal San Francisco.

Mark (411533) — 7/23/2011 @ 5:35 am

____________________________________________

It was interesting to watch the online tone from the islamophobic webosphere

And it was also interesting observing some of the media being quite explicit or detailed about the hair and eye color of the suspect. I read descriptions along the lines of “the person arrested by police has blond hair and is blue-eyed….” I rarely, if almost never, notice news reports similar to “the alleged gunman is dark-haired and dark-eyed.”

Of course, it’s pretty well known — it’s a given — that the press purposefully avoids giving the “who, what, when, where and why” of a crime if the suspect has external characteristics of “dark-haired, dark-eyed,” meaning someone who in particular appears to be of black or Latino, or non-European, origins.

Mark (411533) — 7/23/2011 @ 5:45 am

Now, now, Mark, we’re sure that if you try a little harder, you can bring it around to Wally Cox and Marlon Brando. We’re counting on you.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/23/2011 @ 5:58 am

Additional info re Breivik’s activity online.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:07 am

“dad” and “nada” appear to have picked up on the Angelenos meme. If you read that Reuters link, it is pretty thin gruel, predictably thin. But don’t worry, we are used to being smeared by Leftists.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:22 am

They’ll focus on this, and forget about the date, JD

Breivik had also been a member of the Progress Party, the second largest in parliament, the party’s head of communications Fredrik Farber said. Breivik was a member from 2004 to 2006 and in its youth party from 1997-2006/200

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:30 am

No one is being “smeared,” JD. Some facts about Breivik have been disclosed, much remains unknown. A full assessment of his motivations doesn’t seem possible at this point. This kind of violence suggests, at the very least, a very abnormal psychology. I am not suggesting (and I don’t think any of the other posters are suggesting) that the act of an individual like this can be used to discredit any political tendency or set of views. I don’t expect that the outcome of this story will support anything so simpleminded.

You really are way too defensive. Lighten up.

angeleno (94f48b) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:42 am

angeleno hold
it tighter cuz yer all strung
out on outskirts meng

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:45 am

hitler mao stalin
all decidedly leftist
not blond blue eyed

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:49 am

though hitler did have
thing for blond blue eyed people
much to their chagrin

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:50 am

over eighty peeps
dead the horror the terror
stand firm with Norway

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:53 am

the nada dad the
nada dad angeleno
is the nada dad

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:54 am

shave and a haircut
two bits but Burma Shave now
we’re getting somewhere

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:57 am

___________________________________________

Breivik had also been a member of the Progress Party,

I know people can be fanatic, deranged and ruthless, regardless of their ideology. But wouldn’t it be very telling if the horror in Norway ends up being not too different from the recent case of the attempted assassination of the Congresswoman from Arizona? I’m referring to an event that in the beginning raises suspicions of it involving a person of ultra-right origins.

BTW, I read that back in 1963 Jacqueline Kennedy apparently was even more appalled and disgusted when she learned her husband’s killer was a Communist sympathizer with close ties to the Soviet Union instead of — since civil rights legislation was in the forefront of debate and controversy during the early 1960s — a racist redneck from Texas.

In a not too different vein, I know that New York City’s mayor — truly the epitome of a limousine liberal — at first theorized the attempted bombing of Times Square involved a member of the Tea Party. I’m quite sure he must have originally believed the shooting of the politician in Arizona was triggered by someone angry about illegal immigration and a lack of enough effort to combat it.

Mark (411533) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:18 am

wrong trail mark bloomberg
knew in heart it was someone
hate his Nanny State

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:22 am

Mark— 7/23/2011 @ 8:18 am, we’re indebted to Christain Cafarakis, Jackie Kennedy’s butler in Athens for an update on her thinking about the assassination. His 1972 book, The Fabulous Jackie reveals some of the details of the 1964-5 investigation she commissioned and which was financed by Aristotle Onassis,

The New York City detective agency’s report in the spring of 1965 identified four gunmen and revealed who was behind the political murder. Jackie had originally planned to publish the report but was stopped by threats to kill her and her children.

Cafarakis reported that Bobby, Ted, and other family members knew about the investigation, its conclusions, and the threats against them.

Bobby decided to push forward with his own quest for the presidency in spite of the dangers. It cost him his life.

ropelight (2e7c50) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:58 am

“Of course, it’s pretty well known — it’s a given — that the press purposefully avoids giving the “who, what, when, where and why” of a crime if the suspect has external characteristics of “dark-haired, dark-eyed,” meaning someone who in particular appears to be of black or Latino, or non-European, origins.”

Are you comparing how the Norwegian media described this terrorist attack to American criminal news coverage? That’s kind of odd.

Who knows, maybe the guy was carrying out some sort of right wing eliminationist fantasy — attacking the youth of a left wing party. But I think the US islamophobic right is safe. I doubt he saw any “imagine no liberals” t-shirts advertised on the wingnut blogs he reads.

nada (eef00e) — 7/23/2011 @ 9:28 am

The sock puppets are back out.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 9:50 am

sock puppet nada
capture essence of his take
in that simple name

ColonelHaiku (4de8c2) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:02 am

The sockpuppets follow the Journolist crumbs, currently Fallows and Clemons, at the Atlantic.

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:05 am

It’s Obama’s fault. If he had stopped lying about the budget this never would have happened.

ropelight (2e7c50) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:06 am

Pam Geller and Michelle Malkin appear to have moved on. The rest will follow, and put away the “standwithnorway” hashtag.

nada (ed4797) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:15 am

Iamadimwit is so transparent.

JD (29e1cd) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:26 am

angeleno’s prophecy came true!

The more comments he posted, the more “douchenozzle” opportunities arose.

Icy Texan (90394c) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:35 am

nada – What is phobic about fearing radical Islam? Please explain.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:44 am

nada – Most U.S. media, which is decidedly liberal, will not publish cartoons of Mohammed, even if they are part of an international news story, over fear of reprisals. Are you calling them right wing Islamophobes? Seriously?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:46 am

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Are you comparing how the Norwegian media described this terrorist attack to American criminal news coverage? That’s kind of odd.

Why? Or, at the very least, I’m dealing with the way the story was covered in the English-language press. Regardless, such events pertain to crimes. They also may involve murder.

So when the MSM mightily claims the “public’s right to know,” the importance of impartiality, and the original concept of “who, what, when, where and why,” I always snicker when I think of various publications, particularly newspapers, going out of their way to not give more than a vague or overly brief description of a suspect in a fairly large number of crime stories, other than whether he’s a male or not.

And to your “Islamaphobia,” I’ll counter with “Tea-partyphobia.” At least the latter truly applies to a phobia, or something clearly irrational (“hey, how you doin’, Mayor Bloomberg!”), since I’ve yet to hear of deranged people killing in the name of sensible, rightist policies.

Mark (411533) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:49 am

nada – President Prissy Pants felt it necessary to rename acts of Islamic terror man-caused disasters. Is he a right wing Islamophobe?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:49 am

nada – Why do you hate black people?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:50 am

Just another in the many right wing Christian extremist terrorists. We’ve had our share in the US. The pattern of right wing violence has been exacerbated by the anti-gov’t Tea Party and militia movements, and the right-wing fear mongering media. They have blood on their hands.

Dad (3ce3fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 11:55 am

Hush, Yelverton. You are pathetic.

What did I tell you, Angeleno? Yu laid out the meme for these clowns.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:09 pm

Dad and nada are ones to talk since their side defends Mugabe and Ahmadinejad.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:15 pm

It’s a good thing that far-left radicals never do anything like this.

It’s an even better thing that our president does not know any of them personally.

And it’s absolutely, positively the bestest thing that there have never been any left-wing governments — China, USSR, Cambodia, etc. — that have annihilated millions of their own people in the name of their core beliefs.

Icy Texan (90394c) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:22 pm

Communists have committed terror attacks such as bombings for their ideology so stfu Dad and Nada.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:27 pm

If Oslo, and the Utoya Island shootings are in fact, Norway’s OKC, then I – like Bill Clinton – blame Rush!

AD-RtR/OS! (c887fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:39 pm

Comment by DohBiden — 7/23/2011 @ 12:27 pm

Yes, just how many people died in that school takeover when the Russian “SWAT team” from the KGB(sic) gassed the whole place?

AD-RtR/OS! (c887fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 12:41 pm

“They have blood on their hands.”

Well, you be sure and let us know when the death toll rises to the number of innocent civilians slaughtered by the “liberal” Democrats in their glorious foreign wars.

Left wingers and right wingers are pretty much alike when it comes to violence, except lefty totalitarians kill millions of times more folks than a handful of right wing kooks do.

Socialists kill more people in a bad second than anti-government types have in the whole history of the world.

Ask Mao or FDR about it when you join them in hell.

Dave Surls (28f866) — 7/23/2011 @ 1:25 pm

Yeah, it’s disconcerting, all those bloodthirsty Christians sitting around in church pews actually listening to the preacher’s words, then running around helter skelter chopping of the heads of pagans, bombing kindergarten children, and clearing the urban landscape of unsightly buildings.

ropelight (2e7c50) — 7/23/2011 @ 1:27 pm

Dave – Don’t forget about the KKK wing of the Democrat party lynching all those black folks. For accuracy, just sayin’.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 7/23/2011 @ 1:32 pm

“Dave – Don’t forget about the KKK wing of the Democrat party lynching all those black folks.”

Don’t worry about that.

It’s one of the 1,000,001 reason why homey won’t ever vote for a Democrat.

Dave Surls (28f866) — 7/23/2011 @ 2:57 pm

ADR I was referring to the Revolutionary Orgnization 17 November.

BTW muslims always bomb stuff for jihad so who is Dada to complain.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 4:08 pm

ooops there should be a ? there.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 4:09 pm

Now the NY Times is calling him a Christian Extremist. Why not just call him a teabagger and get it over with. Then, blame Bush. And Palin.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:02 pm

It’s interesting about Nov 17, they were a merry band of Trotskyites, that seemed to follow the urban guerillas in Latin America, and they went after Richard Welch, even though he had never been in Greece, during the coup years. The late Phillip Agee, admitted he put Welch on the list, because he just disliked him,

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:08 pm

Exactly ian.

What if this guy was revealed to be a trotskyite who hates religion?

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:12 pm

On Monday, look for Joy & Whoopi to call Bill-O and say “Christians killed them on 7/22!”

Icy Texan (e60476) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:27 pm

That would seem unlikely, Doh, he is just the kind of thug, that has empowered the cause of the left
and the Islamists for probably a generation , I’m afraid, much the way Hamas has lived off Baruch
Goldstein, for nearly two decades now.

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:35 pm

He’s no right winger though he is probably a charles johnson atheist.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:41 pm

The most despicable thing about the anti multicultural right wing media that produced this killer:

Fox News was reporting this as a ‘Muslim Jihad attack’ last night on FN’s highest rated show, O’Reilly – with Ingraham as guest host. She deliberately paired this “Muslim attack” with news of the Park 51 Mosque. Absolutely despicable, dishonest and irresponsible. No wonder Newscorp and Fox are going down. Hate merchants. Hate gov’t, hate Muslims and all non whites… thats where this killer was coming from.

JG (58a4f2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:48 pm

You are pathetic, William Yelverton. A cowardly lying midget.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:51 pm

What is the MTSU policy on plagiarism?

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:52 pm

Christian Fundamentalist right winger.

Fits the bill.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/norway-bombing-shootings-police-detain-right-wing-christian-fundamentalist-52743/

JG (58a4f2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:52 pm

The NY Times, thinkregress, Al Reuters, and Angeleno appear to have done their jobs quite well.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:53 pm

This is how the hate merchants do business:

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/07/fox-news-pairs-norway-attacks-with-nyc-islamic-center/

JG (58a4f2) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:54 pm

William Yelverton is a cowardly hate-filled plagiarizing liar.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 7:56 pm

This is a person that considers himself an “academic” but really just gives ukelele lessons, has been banned here numerous times for aggressively dishonest behavior (like this here), and thinks raw story, think regress, and mediamatterz constitute news. Oh, and he hearts to plagiarize.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:01 pm

This is what happens when they get caught. Nothing but crickets on this story here at this blog.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/wsj-justice-department-prepares-subpoenas-in-news-corp-scandal-20110722

There is no professionalism or integrity in right wing media, only teabagger anti gov’t hate.

JG (e546cc) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:01 pm

Willie the racist hilljack has his marching orders. Good little foot soldier, he is.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:05 pm

Yelverton IS being extra douchenozzle-y today.

Although all-too predictable. He simply HAS to find a scapegoat. God forbid! that he would assign personal responsibility to the shooter.

Icy Texan (e60476) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:08 pm

These manic episodes follow the same script, every time. Yelverton is obsessed, and like borkeback hilljack, cannot quit us.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:08 pm

Yeah, those Titans of the Law at DoJ are going to open a new Kabuki Dance over Murdoch, but they’ll continue to stonewall and prevaricate over the gross violations of U.S., Mexican, and Honduran law that they abetted in Fast & Furious, Castaways, and the newly discovered operation out of the Dallas field office.

AD-RtR/OS! (c887fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:09 pm

That’s the one that sent the weapons to the Zetas, right,

ian cormac (d380ce) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:12 pm

Dallas – Zetas
And not just your run-of-the-mill, over-the-counter semi-autos, but full on mil-spec arms, including rocket launchers, grenades, etc.

AD-RtR/OS! (c887fc) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:15 pm

Based on what I’ve seen of the killer in Norway, Big Sis needs to turn her attention to those grandpas driving mini-bikes and go-carts at Fourth of July parades.

Because, it looks like the threat is not radical Islam, but Masons.

All conspiracy theories are falling into place.

Ag80 (8a4204) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:28 pm

When will you idiots realize Shawna Forde had ties to a mexican drug cartel honestly I guess that means she is a nativist?

Honestly I oppose illegal immigration and even i can recognize her as a murderer who tarnished the Minutemen.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:29 pm

And yes he is a freemason.

Did he blame the Mossad for 9-11?

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:30 pm

JG, knowing as I do that you’ve no interest in any honest discussions, I only point out for those ignorant enough to believe your lies:

There was an initial claim of responsibility for the bombing by an islamic extremist group. That claim was evidently a fraudulent one, but that it occurred means that tying the incident to islamists was not unreasonable.

SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:34 pm

It was the mossad

/JG

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:37 pm

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/07/were-oslos-terror-blasts-caused-by-car-bombs/#more-52729

Another reich wing extremist media outlet reporting on that which Yelverton is lying about.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:44 pm

Since the phone hacking thing has popped up OT:

I have been somewhat skeptical of the claims that the Murdoch scandals are going to jump the Atlantic, because my sense has always been that the British press really is different–far more aggressive and edgy than their American cousins. This sort of phone hacking has been widespread there for a long time. Scotland Yard has now expanded its investigation to 31 publications and hundreds of journalists, a fact that has gone largely unremarked by those who were extremely interested in the case right up to the point where the evidence started suggesting that this was a British problem, not a Murdoch problem.

Karl (b4b64a) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:47 pm

Karl – Yelverton and the MFM will not let any annoying little facts get in the way of a good old fashioned Fox witch hunt.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 8:49 pm

JD,

I’m sure he’ll be just as riveted when the spotlight turns to CNN’s Piers Morgan.

Karl (b4b64a) — 7/23/2011 @ 9:01 pm

Piers Morgan is a loathsome little git most commonly found on the bottom of my shoe after a walk in the dog park.

SPQR (26be8b) — 7/23/2011 @ 9:03 pm

If it does not fit Teh Narrative, it will be ignored.

JD (318f81) — 7/23/2011 @ 9:04 pm

__________________________________________

Christian Fundamentalist right winger.

This forum is helpful because it piques my curiosity and prods me into doing a bit of casual digging on people and issues that I formerly was either vague or totally ignorant about.

I’ve been under the general impression over these past several years that a fanatic associated with the right in the US, Timothy McVeigh, reflected characteristics that were sort of a variation of those of Islamofascists. IOW, that McVeigh’s philosophy overall would have included definitive, committed allusions to traditional religiosity, primarily that of Christianity and the Bible.

But after getting a better impression of that deranged extremist, I have a strong hunch the terrorist in Norway will have idiosyncrasies very similar to those of McVeigh. So I bet Breivik will be more non-secular than anything else. Therefore, it will be the height of irony and idiocy if the MSM, which has done back flips to avoid labeling Islamic terrorists as “Islamic terrorists,” will do just the opposite with Breivik.

The killer in Norway can be associated with the right, but based on my suspicions of what makes people like him tick, the media better not dare use equivalency between him and Islamicists.

getreligion.org:

It’s not uncommon to hear people claim that all religions are roughly the same when it comes to acts of violence. And when folks make this claim in the context of terrorism in the United States, it’s not uncommon that they will cite Timothy McVeigh as an example of a “Christian” terrorist.

Whatever one might think of the strengths or weaknesses of the moral equivalency argument, McVeigh is simply not a good example to use. People in the media need to find a better example.

McVeigh rarely discussed religion. When he did, he did not indicate any motivation at all coming from religion. This is not something that could be said about the 9/11 bombers or Nidal Hasan.

For those curious about McVeigh’s views, I recommend “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing.” Written by two journalists who corresponded with and covered McVeigh’s trial and execution, the book describes McVeigh as having somewhat complicated views, but the takeaway is probably best summarized by his quote “Science is my religion.”

He was raised and even confirmed Catholic. But the book also describes him as avoiding worship while in the military, once visiting a Seventh Day Adventist congregation and finding it boring, and claiming that he lost touch with religion. Again, this does not sound like the Christian equivalent of Major Hasan or the 9/11 bombers.

Time magazine interviewed McVeigh about his religious views and he said he wasn’t terribly religious but did believe in a God. Shortly before he was executed, he accepted an offer to receive last rites from a priest. But he also sent a letter to the Buffalo News where he described himself as an agnostic but said he would adapt if it turned out there was an afterlife.

Here’s how Dan Herbeck, one of the Buffalo News reporters, explained it it in an interview with ABC’s Sam Donaldson:

Well, he is an agnostic. He doesn’t believe in God, but he has told us he doesn’t not believe in God. Death is part of his adventure, as he describes it to us. And he told us that when he finds out if there is an afterlife, he will improvise, adapt and overcome just like they taught him in the Army.

^ That makes me think of reports that point to the oddness and irony of Adolph Hitler being a vegan who also firmly believed in animal rights.

I’ve noticed that when one scratches below the surface of various despicable people, peculiar strains of leftist bias often crops up in them. Not sure how much of that might be related to studies that reveal higher percentages of people of the left tend to go against the stereotype, meaning they’re actually less generous and compassionate than people of the right.

Mark (411533) — 7/23/2011 @ 10:19 pm

Suspected fundamentalist Christian right wing extremist …. I have seen those words typed a lot, but nothing in the context of what that means in Norway. We do npknow he was a member of the 2nd largest party in their parliament, the Progress Party, that is polling in the majority recently. They claim anti-Muslim and anti-immigration, but rational thinkers and honest people know those terms are meaningless given the MFM propensity, and their idiot foot soldiers like Yelverton, to claim people are anti-immigration for opposing illegal immigration, or anti-Muslim for objecting to murdering people for drawing a cartoon, or honor killing, etc …. Being against multiculturalism is also claimed as one of his evil notions, but it is a failed ideology throughout Europe, so it is no surprise that someone might be against a failed experiment. All in all, there have been many allegations, lots of name calling and finger pointing by Angeleno, Yelverton, imdw, and their ilk, but very little to support anything that they have claimed. Very thing gruel. This is Giffords on an international stage, where actual facts do not get in the way of their desire to smear reich wing Christian fundamentalists.

JD (318f81) — 7/24/2011 @ 6:59 am

“When did multiculturalism cease to be an ideology designed to deconstruct European culture, traditions, identity and nation-states?” said one entry, posted on February 2, 2010 on the right-wing website http://www.document.no.

“According to two studies, 13 percent of young British Muslims aged between 15 and 25 support al Qaeda ideology,” said another entry dated February 16 last year.

I cannot believe they did not lock him up for evil thought crimes a long time ago.

JD (318f81) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:01 am

Donald Douglas (76750b) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:02 am

The Progress Party wants far tighter restrictions on immigration, whereas the center-left government backs multiculturalism. The party leads some polls of public opinion.

Just like I suspected, anti-illegal immigration, or tightening controls on immigration, gets morphed into anti-immigration.

JD (318f81) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:03 am

Anti-racism
Pro-homosexual
Pro-Israel

Hell, Yelverton, he does not even fit the caricature of conservatives you traffic in.

JD (318f81) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:15 am

Part of Michael Daly’s column in today’s New York Daily News pretty much sums up my feelings about this:

Breivik’s motivation was made clear by the single tweet from his new Twitter account. It was a quote from the 18th century [sic] John Stewart Mill, semi-accurate, but truer in text than context:

“One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100,000 who have only interests.”

That was posted on July 17, five days before this 32-year-old mama’s boy went on his rampage. The force is clearly more important to Breivik than whatever the belief happens to be.

All the poison he spewed about Muslims and immigration and the purity of Norwegian culture was just a pretext. What he really wanted was to be a big guy.

I am sure he noticed the similarity with the IRA (Irish Republican Army) which also went in for follow-up attacks although he doesn’t mention that, but only Timothy McVeigh and bin Laden. BTW the truth about McVeigh is that he was not the leadr, but a follower of Terry Nichols.

But in all such cases the real motive is a deluded ambition – related to a desire to be important, and the cause is never anything which affected the person’s life in any significant way.

Breivik pretended to be against three kinds of people: Muslims, Marxists and multi-culturalists a category which include the Norweignian Labor Party.

Sammy Finkelman (d3de3a) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:25 am

“This is Giffords on an international stage, where actual facts do not get in the way of their desire to smear reich wing Christian fundamentalists.”

The Norwegian police authorities, quoted in the conservative European press, describe the guy: “What we know is that he is right wing and a Christian fundamentalist.”

Check out some of his writings (also quoted in the conservative non-american press) “The tidal wave will cleanse Western Europe of cultural Marxism and will result in the banishment of Islam for the third time.” And “Never forget that we fight so that you and your children can remain free. For a future Europe safe from the tyranny of cultural-Marxism and of Islam.”

Also you’ll dig that he claims he’s not a racist. You earlier said it was thin gruel. Will it ever be thick enough for you?

Meanwhile Allen West thinks that Obama supporters are a “threat to the gene pool.”

#standwithnorway

nada (db67ea) — 7/24/2011 @ 11:17 am

nada, your attempt to associate this monster with Allen West is noticed and proves you are a hyperpartisan democrat ghoul. As always, any possible tragedy is exploited for stupid partisanship. As predictable as the sun rising.

Dustin (b7410e) — 7/24/2011 @ 11:46 am

And the dude thought Charles Johnson was too mean to pam geller and the other islamophobes. Here he is off to kill teenagers for being “marxists” and worked up about some internet blog fight.

Dustin, eliminationist bullies are going to have to start being held accountable. Sorry, but there’s a war on against us, you see, and you can’t just leave this hatred out there without calling it out, naming and shaming.

Don’t you #standwithnorway?

Ya’ll should really check out the guy’s video. Lots of wingnut cartoons for you.

nada (964656) — 7/24/2011 @ 11:58 am

Go bugger yourself, imdw. You are a coward, and a disgusting person. Run along and play wi Kimberlin, or try to intimidate our host by posting links to his home.

JD (318f81) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:06 pm

Don’t you #standwithnorway?

What’s disturbing is you assume this question needs to be asked of a normal person merely because they aren’t a democrat shill like yourself.

Don’t you stand with Julia Scyphers? Oh wait, you stand with her killer.

Dustin (b7410e) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:17 pm

If you’re incoherently mad now, wait till you find out more about this dude and he starts speaking. Watch the video. You’re not going to be able to hang on to the ‘it’s a reuters conspiracy’ for long. I suspect you’ve given it up already.

You could wait till Monday when Rush and Beck give you some lines about how this guy was a progressive or something and you can just repeat that over and over again.

nada (ed4797) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:21 pm

JD’s right about what you did, imdw

Trying to score petty partisan points over a horrible mass murder is par for the course for the nutroots. On 9/11/2001 their first thought was the Republicans must have done it. Today they are worried about Allen West instead of the actual murderer in Norway. imdw can’t tell the difference. I think he’s projecting.

Anyway, I’ve got better things to do today. imdw’s a putrid ghoul as always.

Dustin (b7410e) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:22 pm

You are a disgusting vile cretin.

JD (85b089) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:35 pm

The Norwegian police authorities, quoted in the conservative European press, describe the guy: “What we know is that he is right wing and a Christian fundamentalist.”

He is actually a gay member of something called the European Resistance Movement, probably related to a sort of gay skin head outfit. That group is “right wing” in the sense that Hitler and National Socialism was right wing.

Mike K (8f3f19) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:44 pm

stone is nada is JG is Bruuuce etc.

A few more IPs have been banned but stamping out the cockroaches is an ongoing process unfortunately.

Patterico (f724ca) — 7/24/2011 @ 12:56 pm

the nadador the
nadador stone bruuce JG
is the nadador

ColonelHaiku (8a1a1f) — 7/24/2011 @ 1:02 pm

Comment by Mike K — 7/24/2011 @ 12:44 pm

Marxists, and their Fellow Travellers, always refer to National Socialists as Right-Wing to differentiate them from themselves, who are the Left-Wing of the Socialist Movement.
To be truly Right-Wing, you would – in the European experience – have to be a Feudal Monarchist.

AD-RtR/OS! (6a5c0d) — 7/24/2011 @ 1:06 pm

‘Meanwhile Allen West thinks that Obama supporters are a “threat to the gene pool.”’

Well, duh!

That’s obviously the case, unless you WANT to create a race of left wing cretins.

Dave Surls (28f866) — 7/24/2011 @ 1:08 pm

Well, we do need more college instructors (Heh!).

AD-RtR/OS! (6a5c0d) — 7/24/2011 @ 1:10 pm

Media sources have published photos of Anders Behring Breivik that look professional. I assume his Freemason photo related to his membership in that organization, but does anyone know the background on the photos at Breivik’s Facebook and wiki pages?

DRJ (fdd243) — 7/24/2011 @ 1:21 pm

So tell me what right winger calls Christianity a genocidal religion?

What right-winger accuses Bush of collabarating with the racist right wing capitalists?

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/24/2011 @ 2:03 pm

_______________________________________________

He is actually a gay member of something called the European Resistance Movement, probably related to a sort of gay skin head outfit.

Getting an accurate take on the guy at this time when the details still are unfolding may result in wrong conclusions. But since some in the media — who in the past have done contortionist routines to avoid characterizing terrorists of Islamic background as being followers of Islam — don’t appear too hesitant about drawing wrong inferences regarding Breivik, why should we in the public be any more professional and cautious?

As I said previously, scratch below the surface of a variety of ruthless fanatics over the past several decades, and in too many instances a peculiar strain of leftist tilt emerges in them. However, I will say that the Norway killer appears to sound strangely centrist or even rather disarmingly rational or practical.

This may be one of those rare occasions when people occupying the squishier part of the political spectrum, after observing the details of an infamous murderer, won’t feel they’re dealing with a totally alien, extreme mindset, or someone located way, way over on the other side of the philosophical aisle.

anorak.co.uk:

ANDERS Behring Breivik has confessed to murdering 92 people in Norway. He says he acted alone. They say he’s a fundamentalist Christian – but we [don’t] find details of his being member of any church. Indeed, the impression is of a man obsessed with Crusader fetishism.

Breivik liked to dress up. He lived with his mum. We have yet to find an old flame. Breivik’s sexuality remains an untapped theory.

He also recorded a 12-minute video, called Knights Templar 2083, in which he dressed up in a wetsuit and held a machine gun. He see himself as Justicia Knight. You might see him a man with a festish for the showy.

Meanwhile, over in planet Earth, Breivik recalls a trip to London:

I came in contact with Serbian cultural conservatives through the internet. This initial contact would eventually result in my contact with several key individuals all over Europe and the forming of the group who would later establish the military order and tribunal, PCCTS, Knights Templar…

…This was not a stereotypical “right wing” meeting full of underprivileged racist skinheads with a short temper, but quite the opposite. Most of them were successful entrepreneurs, business or political leaders, some with families, most of them Christian conservatives but also some agnostics and even atheists…

cofcc.org:

SUSPECT identifies himself as “anti-racist, pro-homosexual, pro-Israeli” and attacked Vlaams Belang and the English Defense League on document.no (a website that appears to represent a Norwegian version of American neo-conservatism).

“That’s why we have to ensure that we influence other culturally conservatives to take our anti-racist pro-homosexual, pro-Israeli line of thought.” –- Anders Behring Breivik

The English language facebook page identifying the killer as a “Christian” & “Conservative” was created AFTER his killing spree was over.

As soon as the killers name was released thousands of people began looking up his facebook page. It is common for people to make hoax pages when someone is in the news. Initially a page in Norwegian appeared bearing the suspect’s name, multiple face shots, and a photo of the suspect in the uniform of a European freemason. Then facebook deleted it. A SECOND page in ENGLISH then appeared bearing the suspect’s name and a single photo. Facebook also quickly deleted it. However the “mainstream” media is gleeful using this second facebook page to demonize Christians and Conservatives.

Several things have been doctored up [in the new English language Facebook profile of Breivik] to alter the suspects political views. First a section titled “Philosophy” has been added to include “Christian,” and “Conservative.” The media has used this to great lengths.

Secondly, a previous section under the Norwegian term “Annet” is gone. In this former section the suspect identifies his heroes as Winston Churchill and Max Manus, the leader of the Norwegian anti-Nazi resistance. Someone in Norway picking these two men as his heroes would indicate that he is a moderate or centrist. More the middle of the political spectrum than the fringes.

Further, the suspect left the conservative Norwegian Progress Party four years ago and had been posting messages on a website that represents the Norwegian version of a Bush/McCain “neo-con.” Not a “right-winger,” or “ultra-nationalist.”

In fact….the website that the suspect most actively posted on and supported [is called] document.no and run by Hans Rustad a Jewish man. Rustad is a former left-wing journalist turned neo-conservative.

The website claims that only Muslims immigration should be restricted and that Asians and non-Muslim Africans are “making a positive contribution to Norway.” The website fanatically supports Israel and opposes Norwegian recognition of Palestinian statehood.

On one comment, suspect Breivik calls the English Defense League an embarrassment and says it “lacks ideological training.” He attacks the Vlaams Belang as racist and anti-gay. He says Vlaams Belang needs many “reforms” to “reach our level.”

Norwegian police are now saying that the suspect had no known connection to any radical groups.

Mark (411533) — 7/24/2011 @ 2:07 pm

He is Pro-Israeli?

Just wait the mossad will be blamed for this.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/24/2011 @ 2:56 pm

“Breivik penned a 1,500-page manifesto titled [- A European Declaration of Independence],[12] under the pseudonym “Andrew Berwick”…”–wiki

Well, if you want to find out what the guy is all about (left wing, right wing, looney tunes wing)…just get ahold of his magnus opus, and start reading.

Think I’ll give it a pass, myself.

Dave Surls (28f866) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:48 pm

He called the Vlaams Belang racist so I Guess Chuckles will forgive him.

DohBiden (d54602) — 7/24/2011 @ 7:50 pm

#

We have a lot to learn about the attacker. 32 and an ethnic Norwegian. Norway’s domestic politics don’t include the sort of thinking that produced the Oklahoma City bombing, and the dual attack was too complex for it to be easily carried to completion by a deranged loner. There has to be a conversion to Islam involved.

Comment by Mark Folkestad — 7/22/2011 @ 5:02 pm

nominee – mega-pwnage of the millenium

Gerry (a2a37f) — 7/25/2011 @ 11:10 am

The Norway killer was no different from John Wilkes Booth, Cho Seung Hi, or any Al Qaeda murderer.

Michael Ejercito (64388b) — 7/25/2011 @ 11:16 am

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