Hillary Proposes Six Weeks of Federally Mandated Paid Maternity Leave
[DO NOT MISS THE IMPORTANT UPDATE AT THE END]
Hillary Clinton on Tuesday will unveil several policy proposals for lowering child-care costs that were crafted in part by her daughter, Chelsea, including a plan to guarantee six weeks of paid maternity leave..
Progressive Democrats, in particular, have long seen a mandated expansion of the social safety net as desirable, while conservative Republicans see it as anathema to their attempts to shrink government spending and give companies more control over their leave policies.
Clinton campaign officials said Tuesday morning that the Democratic presidential nominee will propose a plan for paid leave that they believe can gain bipartisan approval. While details of the proposal remained unclear ahead of Clinton’s speech, the officials said it wouldn’t cost taxpayers anything more; instead, it would be financed through savings achieved by eliminating fraud in the unemployment insurance program.
This is, of course, insane on several levels. Government holding a gun to the head of an employer interferes with the market economy and is certain to cause increased disemployment (Peter Boettke’s term, about which more in a future post) if not outright unemployment. If the proposal is to make this another federally funded entitlement, as reports suggest, (by eliminating waste! fraud! and abuse!), then it’s just more spending.
And one annoying detail: why do we care that the candidate’s daughter had a hand in this, given that she has no proven policy experience? Are they just trying to groom her for a future in politics? Haven’t we had enough dynasties in this country already?
This is why so many people are considering voting Trump: because this sort of insane socialism shows why we can’t put another leftist in the central seat of power after the last eight years.
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Wait, I’ve just been handed this piece of paper. [Patterico reads piece of paper silently to himself. His lips are moving. Dramatic pause.] Um. It turns out that the proposal is actually Donald Trump’s. The quote above has been altered to make it read as if it were Hillary’s proposal. Also, it is Trump’s daughter Ivanka, not Chelsea Clinton who played a role in fashioning this big-spending proposal.
Well, that’s different.
[STAGE-WHISPERED ASIDE:] The “Important Update” was not actually an update. It was part of the original post.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:31 ampoor dumb ivanka
why can’t we just save the savings achieved by eliminating fraud in the unemployment insurance program?
take your time honey you don’t have to answer today just power on through the fuzzy logics you’ll get there babycakes
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:41 amyes yes i like this but i think you need to scale it back to american citizens only
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:53 amThe Trump plan, which Ivanka Trump said Tuesday she helped craft, will also allow stay-at-home parents to make their child care expenses tax deductible.
poor dumb ivanka
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:54 amChelsea Clinton on Ivanka Trump: ‘We Will Be Friends Long After This Election’
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:59 amin the back of the book section,
http://www.twincities.com/2016/09/11/after-philando-castiles-shooting-diamond-reynolds-composure-was-tested-again/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:05 amWhy would I hire a young woman when I can hire a man or post-menopausal woman who I don’t have to lose for 6 weeks potentially every year?
Jcurtis (b8a6b3) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:08 amSo, Donald Trump is trying to run to the left of Hillary Clinton? Who knew?
Mr Trump is (supposedly) a businessman, and any businessman ought to recognize that, if such a federal mandate were in place, employers would start to discriminate against women of child-bearing age. If you have two applicants for a position, apparently equally qualified, but one of them has the potential of hitting you up for six weeks of paid leave every few years, wouldn’t it make perfect sense to choose to hire the one who would not?
Let me put it very plainly: that’s what I would do! Employers hire people to do jobs that need to get done. Taking off six weeks at a stretch, and getting paid for it to boot, is not only a dead loss for the company, but it throws the burden of that employee’s work on everybody else.
The businessman Dana (f6a568) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:10 amSo, Donald Trump is trying to run to the left of Hillary Clinton? Who knew?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:12 amto be fair though, ivanka might could be doing art of deal where she larded up the original proposal with stupid stuff so she can compromise and only end up with the one or two policy changes she really wants
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:29 amWe also need free, government paid-for Pampers. They will be expensive in my old age.
AZ Bob (d6a3a9) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:36 am7 and 8.: yes…..exactly! Ivanka pimping this bill actually helps men when being decided on to be hired.
Mandated coverage, or merely the perception that a woman of child-bearing age will be an eventual cost burden, has been instrumental in fostering “cougar” culture i.e. women over 40 working in close proximity with men under 40 (the traditional age when men are considered to have higher and higher health risks.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:39 am11. Dont give the evil one that idea – that might cinch it for her.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:43 amIt’s not surprising once you realize this is what the rac would look like if it was Bill vs Hillary. Trump 2016 sounds an awful lot like Clinton ’92.
crazy (d3b449) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:56 amIvanka and her siblings will be voting for Hillary in 2020 if she wins, and is able to run for reelection.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:59 amAh it’s Trump’s war on women. Stick in a mandatory maternity leave policy, and employers will avoid hiring women.
Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:00 amCruz had a plan. A plan to keep the poor downtrodden workers at home and collecting a government check. Trying to come up with a way to make it realistic for people to get off there duffs and work should always be verbotten!!
Pulling down 600 bucks a week with rent and basic utilities and 200 bucks for a single kid in daycare kinda makes that picture of sitting home and collecting a government check look pretty darned good.
Drider (80d1fd) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:03 amHillary Clinton backed 12-week paid family leave in 2015, early in her presidential campaign. Clinton has indicated that she would pay for the plan by raising taxes of top earners…”
That always works so well for the cause of conservatism, doesn’t it, when the GOP takes the Democrats’ wasteful and unaffordable proposal, halves it, and then adopts it as their own. Here’s the little secret: even if the GOP candidate were to successfully limit paid maternity leave to 6 instead of 12 weeks, the Dems would just come back each and every year with a proposal to bump it up to 12 weeks until they eventually get their way.
JVW (6e49ce) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:26 amno is a lil more different than that Mr. JVW from what I can tell
the pig’s plan is straight up raw redistribution
ivankabunny wants to basically make like you get six weeks of unemployment
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:48 amexcept for ivankabunny’s plan also has this lil wingding:
wtf does that even mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:51 am^under that definition, could that be expanded to make homeschool tax-deductible?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:55 amDon’t worry, Paul Ryan will never let that bill out of committee.
Pinandpuller (79eadb) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:04 amPaul Ryan = Joe Strauss
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:08 amWould a Republican Congress embrace this proposal? I think it would, if President Trump proposed it. It might not if President Hillary proposed it.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:14 amyes yes this is a very good reason to do a diseased stinkypig all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:21 amwtf does that even mean
It means that the wealthy who choose to stay at home with their children can still hire a nanny so that mommy or daddy can go to the gym, then lunch with friends, then spend the afternoon shopping or golfing, and have the taxpayer help subsidize the costs of the nanny. This sounds like the typical idea from someone in Ivanka’s situation.
JVW (6e49ce) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:39 amwell there is a cut off in ivankabunny’s plan
it’s fairly generous as far as these things go, though i bet it’s not indexed
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:41 amIf it was up to me I’d pass a law saying mothers are not allowed to work for the first five years of their child’s life. To be paid for by dad.
They hardly ever do what I say though…
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:42 amIf there’s still such a thing as a MSA maybe people could be allowed to pay other expenses during a maternity leave.
Or a FLEX account.
Pinandpuller (79eadb) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:42 ambut you’d think you’d want to incentivize people to get into the workforce
poor dumb ivanka
that’s a big idea for her to get her head around
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:43 am@23 urbanleftbehind
He’s a dead sports writer?
Pinandpuller (79eadb) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:45 amPaul Lynde in the center square to block…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PvcpWbUIg
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:55 amNo, Joe Straus (one “s” at the end), Texas House Speaker – faces challenges from intraparty, but is loved by the much smaller Dem caucus.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:05 amIt doesn’t matter. He’s gonna ship all them illegals home the first day, they build a three-mile-high wall and make Mexico pay for it. Then nuke them. Would he lie?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:11 amThis sounds like the typical idea from someone in Ivanka’s situation.
Hey, those legs don’t stay that way themselves!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:12 amhe’s a good person
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:12 amIf there’s still such a thing as a MSA maybe people could be allowed to pay other expenses during a maternity leave.
Or a FLEX account.
Obamacare has crippled HSAs and FSAs. Lower amounts and poison pills.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:18 am@33 urbanleftbehind
That makes a little more sense.
Paul Ryan=Levi Strauss wouldn’t be too bad either: give the people work pants.
Pinandpuller (ea3d91) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:25 amAre American citizens even having babies? Why is this a problem?
Give illegals six weeks before deportation.
Pinandpuller (ea3d91) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:34 amIt’s Power-Though Tuesday!
Am I too late!?!?
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:36 amPower Through!
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:36 amA consequence arising from the unnatural state of single parent households. Single-payer insurance, single-payer period.
That said, it does address the issue of abortion for wealth, and perhaps Planned Parenthood, too. Although, there is still abortion for pleasure, leisure, and narcissistic indulgence.
n.n (9bf728) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:36 am“Ah it’s Trump’s war on women. Stick in a mandatory maternity leave policy, and employers will avoid hiring women.”
For alt-righters, THAT’S THE IDEA.
Doubline the American workforce had nothing but horrible results on wage growth.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:45 amwhat happened to taco bowl tuesday
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:52 amWhat are they doing for people without kids or PWK’s as they’re known in the industry? And the gays, how about something for the gays? As usual, these sweet perks are meant only for those with white privilege. I denounce it as raaaaacist!
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/13/2016 @ 11:59 amin other news,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3786693/Migrants-claiming-asylum-Germany-taking-HOLIDAYS-countries-fleeing-paid-benefits-cash-report-finds.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:09 pm44. Drew Carey covered that in an episode of his sitcom w.r.t. People Without Kids. He grated at having to stay late while his co-workers with kids spirited off to ballgames, recitals, babysitting etc.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:14 pmSounds like a great idea.
And no, I’m not saying it because it’s Trump. I’m saying it because prioritizing reproduction and proper child care is important for a people. Proper child care is parents looking after children, as much as possible, rather than daycare.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:16 pmTax deduction is OK with me. We have allowed the incentives for raising children to be eroded over recent years and the incentives for abortion to grow as well as free birth control.
Mandated leave I am not in favor of.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:28 pmDoesn’t this just basically grant unemployment benefits to those already falling under the Family Leave Act of 1993?. California already has something like it, along with quite a few other states.
Yes, I agree the Fed’s, once again, shouldn’t be involved in what should be a state issue, but that horse left the barn in 1993.
I don’t like it, but in the general scheme of things, this is small potatoes.
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:36 pmThe idea is also to incentivize the quality raising of more children.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:41 pmAlso, might not be a bad idea for children to have mothers again.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:45 pmHe’s a populist with no discernible moral compass. It’s a predictable result. There will be more.
Hey happy! If stinky pig is forced to pull out, do I still have to vote for Shorty?
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:55 pmIt is developments like these that confirm Shorty’s membership in the alt-right.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:56 pmyes please
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:58 pmNah, he’s trying to keep up fertility and quality of offspring.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:00 pmDo you really believe that forcing employers to pay 6 mos leave will accomplish either of those two goals?
Today schools exist to babysit kids so the mothers can either go to work or go to play. At least from the view of the parent. From the view of the schools they exist as a power base for government/teachers unions and the steady and continuous indoctrination of leftist ideals from K-12 then to college. From a government point of view schools are a source of unlimited funding forever at the local, state an federal levels.
If these things were not true kids would be taught at home over the internet like my nephews and nieces are requiring one teacher for 1000 students, no 200 million dollar school building, no busses, lunches or even books. Just one $500 laptop per year per kid. And nothing for the unions or politicians to steal. It wouldn’t matter if you’re rich or poor if you all had the same internet teachers.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:03 pmvote trump or you get what you deserve! you anti trumpers will own what hillary does.
trump is right (dabcff) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:06 pmIt’s only six weeks, alas.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:09 pm52- ThOr, depends on who takes her place of course. If they picked Jim Webb, I might even give him serious thought. That’s highly unlikely though. If it’s Kaine, oh he’ll yes.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/295229-tim-kaines-radical-roots
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:10 pmI believe that large industry can and should be directed to serve the people, while managing their day to day affairs in how they achieve these objectives.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:16 pmIf we had a better job market, 6 weeks of paid maternity leave could be a benefit… something that would distinguish one job from another… make a job more desirable. But Dems, over-regulation and a piss-poor business environment don’t foster that.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:21 pmIf the Federal Government were serious about helping families deal with the expense of raising a child, they would change the tax deduction from the current $4,000 (or whatever) per child to something more like $20,000 per child (or maybe $20k for the first child and then $10k for each one thereafter), and then expand the earned-income tax credit to help families whose income is too small to qualify for the deduction. But no, it’s a whole lot easier for Washington to pass the costs along to employers than to actually have it as part of the federal budget. Haven forbid that Washington collect less in tax revenue. Too many under-assistant-secretary and associate deputy director jobs depend upon that tax spigot remaining open.
JVW (6e49ce) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:27 pmWell, get rid of the Dems and vote for Trump. Trump has talked about how he thought that lower taxes would be business’s main want, but on the trail he heard over and over again that it’s really overregulation that’s a bigger problem.
So he gets it.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:30 pmDG, doesnt #63 contradict #60 with the danger always being the always-being-lowered threshold of what constitutes a Big vs. Not-Big Business?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:32 pmPossibly.
However, big businesses have so many advantages, I ain’t sweating it.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:34 pmThe reality is the government can’t practically and doesn’t have to converse with roofer A about serving the national interest. His business is good enough as is.
But if we’re talking Boeing or Kraft for that matter, they’d better step up.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:36 pmWe’ll pay for it by eliminating fraud! — Every govt spending proposal.
Um…
This time will be different! — Also Every govt spending proposal.
Um…
Yeah, looks pretty boilerplate big govt to me.
Weird how the “outsider” has the right patter for boilerplate liberal govt expansion.
Probably a coincidence, right?
ertdfg (80f0b9) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:53 pmOff topic but worth questioning– why is it that the only video of Clinton’s collapse that has surfaced was taken by a passer-by from behind?
That part of Lower Manhattan is literally bristling with surveillance cameras. So where is the security camera footage from other angles of Maudie going jello?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:55 pm“he heard over and over again that it’s really overregulation that’s a bigger problem.
So he gets it.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:30 pm”
…
He gets it so well he’s proposing more regulation, but only half the regulation Hillary wants to add?
Maybe someone should explain to him that growing regulation at a smaller rate isn’t the solution.
ertdfg (80f0b9) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:55 pmOr are the people calling for more regulation, just a bit slower… And I missed that?
Off topic, but important still:
You know how immunity usually works? You give it to get answers to friggin questions.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:56 pmSounds like a great idea.
And no, I’m not saying it because it’s Trump. I’m saying it because prioritizing reproduction and proper child care is important for a people. Proper child care is parents looking after children, as much as possible, rather than daycare.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:16 pm
What parents do you know iwht the 5
ertdfg (80f0b9) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:57 pmHe’ll dump stupid regulations, and add some that serve the national interest, such as more reproduction of quality people who then have time to properly care for their children in person immediately after their birth.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:58 pm“Sounds like a great idea.
And no, I’m not saying it because it’s Trump. I’m saying it because prioritizing reproduction and proper child care is important for a people. Proper child care is parents looking after children, as much as possible, rather than daycare.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:16 pm”
What parents do you know with their FIVE WEEK OLD kid in daycare?
ertdfg (80f0b9) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:58 pmEvery imaginary parent you know? Just most of them?
If you’ve been paying attention, Trump has been running well to Hillary’s left for some time. And in his heart, he’s far, far to Hillary’s left. He believes deeply in government authority. Its role in our lives is central and absolute. There is no conservatism to gigantic golden letters of self worship. There’s no social conservatism to a man who dumps the mother of his kids for a hot employee, partial birth abortion, sneering at religion, kicking veterans off Park Avenue, serial dishonesty and fraud and bankruptcy, or dodging the draft. There’s no fiscal conservatism to a litany of huge government programs we don’t need.
The guy donates to Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Weiner. His idea of the worst president in American history isn’t Carter or Obama. It’s George W Bush, who Trump demanded be impeached. Who Trump blames for 9/11.
Meanwhile Trump’s supporters are actually comparing Hillary to the devil because that is the one argument they have: fear. There’s no depth the GOP cannot sink to that they won’t overlook because they will always see the democrats as worse, even when there’s no ethical or ideological ground left to them. And so, thanks to them, the GOP has indeed sunk pretty far. These people will never accept responsibility because their entire mode of thinking is based around deflection and projection.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:08 pmEvery bit helps.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:09 pmMore alternative reality from the Team R faithful.
A ton of companies offer this benefit. They compete with it, like it’s a free market.
Trump opposes this competition. Your defense of Team R that this competition isn’t really happening because grumble grumble damn dems is simply wrong.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:17 pmMr. Dustin please to explain how ivankabunny’s policies what she are propose above are to the left of the policies stinkypig wants to do on America.
I think this is a misnomer what you are saying.
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:17 pmErnst & Young you can qualify for a pension after like five years
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:18 pmYou do understand that the US Government runs a severe deficit, right? That the money to pay for Trump’s newest welfare proposal comes from that debt? Debt that is borrowed from our children and their children.
Trump is a fan of going into debt and a fan of not paying his debts. Perhaps that’s why you guys don’t mind.
Personally, I do not think a hugely expensive welfare program like this is needed at all, and it shouldn’t be paid by our children who do not get a vote in the matter. If you think this is so important, why didn’t you say so before Trump brought it up?
If Trump really finds some extra money, he should pay our debt with it. But this is a foreign concept to him.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:21 pmWe already have unemployment insurance. A contributory fund that creates an incentive for employment. Perhaps a pregnancy fund would reduce the incentive for abortion rites and add an incentive for Posterity. At least until men and women learn to reconcile moral, natural, and personal imperatives.
n.n (9bf728) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:22 pmDonald Trump’s policy is to remove the freedom of businesses to set their own leave policy, and then to pay for this policy with taxpayer dollars. This is a grab of power that the constitution does not grant, and it’s spending we don’t need. Hillary doesn’t have a similar extreme left proposal.
Any other questions?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:23 pmhah you are incorrect
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:24 pmI want a pro-proceation, pro-quality human, pro-quality childrearing—by parents—policy.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:24 pmC’mon, MSM! Where’s the tough and fair questions to both candidates!
Time to ask both JR & Maudie if and when they’ve gone through menopause.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:25 pmHillary Clinton backed 12-week paid family leave in 2015, early in her presidential campaign. Clinton has indicated that she would pay for the plan by raising taxes of top earners, meaning her plan would “impose no additional costs on businesses, including small businesses.”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:26 pm@Jcurtis:Why would I hire a young woman when I can hire a man or post-menopausal woman who I don’t have to lose for 6 weeks potentially every year?
Because you’ll get sued.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:28 pm@Patterico:Hillary Proposes Six Weeks of Federally Mandated Paid Maternity Leave
Well, it was her husband who signed Americans with Disabilities Act into law, and Medicare Part D, so what do you expect.
Oh wait, Republican presidents did that. Which is how the #NeverBush movements got started. I remember now. Lots of people were cast out of the Republican party for nominating the Bushes.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:30 pmDenver Guy, you didn’t answer my question. Why didn’t you express the need for this massive government program before Trump wanted it? It’s weird that so many Trump supporters do this. Trump makes an utter flip flop ideologically, and his supporters insist that they really wanted it all along.
Happyfeet, that link makes it seem even worse. So Trump had Ivanka work on something for months and the best she could do is copy Hillary? First his wife gives us an Obama speech, now his daughter copy and pastes Hillary’s policy off her website?
Sorry, but Trump is the more left wing candidate in 2016. If you are a die hard left winger who thinks Bush made 9/11 happen and was the worst president in American history, then go ahead and vote for Trump, your guy.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:31 pmYou don’t know everything I’ve expressed everywhere. I’m not here talking about everything I want politically anyway. I’m largely commenting on the posts themselves and bringing up interesting news stories that I see.
I believe government has a role to play in society, to promote the good life. As it is, it promoted debauchery and degeneracy. But not all governments have been such.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:34 pmno i do not belieber you have established that Mr. Trump is to the left of stinkypig
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:39 pmDenver Guy, you oppose debauchery but want Trump to be president? Ha!
Happyfeet, Trump’s proposal is very left wing. Your reply that Hillary wants it too. Fair retort. So Trump’s proposal is simply following Hillary’s lead. For such a sick lady, Hillary sure is faster and smarter than Trump I guess.
However, I also mentioned upthread that Trump in recent years has been particularly extreme in his appraisal of our presidents, ranking Hillary and Obama well above W, much like Cindy Sheehan does. Trump called for a large number of enormous government programs in his convention speech. And his only call for a reduction of spending appears to be the dumb and tired “fraud”.
What government services will Trump end? What handout will be turn off?
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:46 pmYou know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Hillary’s supporters into what I call the “cornucopia of the wretched”.
Right?
The ergophobic, climacophobic, apeirophobic, ashenophobic, nosemaphobic, phronemophobic, kopophobic, arachibutyrophobic, iatrophobic — you name
Neo (d1c681) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:48 pmit.
Dustin, Trump has a large and great family. No, he’s no chaste sort of man, but he’s used his virility magnificently.
I’m talking about actual debauchery, debauchery—not all of which is sexual.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:52 pmNeo, I doubt you’d find as many Nazis in her camp, though.
Hey Happyfeet, I’ve been meaning to ask you about your views on immigration.
It can be a little tricky to understand your point of view on things, but I think this year you’re strongly opposed to illegal immigrants and this is why you support Trump. One example is how you mention upthread that if Trump forces employers to give leave for maternity, they should restrict that to citizens.
But in 2012 you always defended illegal immigrants. You said they were less likely to be miscreants than American citizens, and they were coming here out of love, and it’s our fault if they can manage to get across the border, much as it’s our fault if we leave a door open and are burglarized by someone trying to feed their family.
Why did you change your mind? Perhaps this is some kind of performance joke but you’re taking an awfully long time to get to the punchline.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:57 pmTrump was accused of forcible rape by one of his wives. His lawyer’s defense was merely that you cannot legally rape your wife. When he left her he bragged to the press that he ditched the mother of his kids for “a hot piece of ass.”
Trump’s fans often use this ‘Trump has a great family’ bit because those who oppose Trump do not wish to go after family (the way Trump does), but indeed I do not think Trump’s family is so great. Trump’s relationship with his daughter is overly sexual, with Trump talking about sleeping with her and often holding her by the hips. His sons are limousine liberals. Look at them. They go trophy hunting like little yuppie tourists. Not one of Trump’s family has served in our military. In no way am I impressed with these products of crony democrat economics.
At any rate, you really are fawning at Trump’s feet, worshiping his “virility”. I’m embarrassed for you.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:07 pmon a call one sec
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:10 pm2 words I didn’t read in the entire post – Rubio and Lee
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421446/evaluating-lee-rubio-tax-plan-ramesh-ponnuru
Not saying it’s a good plan, but this is probably where the campaign got the idea.
Me (c0371d) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:12 pmMe, Happyfeet already showed us how Trump was copying Hillary. That’s whose plan this is.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:20 pm@Dustin:
Virility is another sign of good health.
D’oh! Poor Maudie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:23 pmis super easy
#1. illegal immigrants were cool
#2. food stamp, and now stinkypig, want to weaponize them (not good)
#3. Team R has to deal with immigrants, illegal and otherwise, in a grown-up way if they are to move forward (hence Mr. Trump is the nominee not harvardtrash ted)
so this is a classic the only way out is through type situation
if team R wants to be the economic party of growth at some point it will have to become the party of robust immigration
them pickle have a long way to go to get there
but Mr. Trump gets them started on their journey
he’s such a great contributor
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:33 pmI have no reason to defend Trump’s proposal. I’ve never said he had good economic ideas in the first place.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:34 pmI do think he’ll get rid of coal killing regs and some other loony things like that and he’ll seek a corporate tax cut. Both good ideas. However those are not primary reasons for voting for him in my mind.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:37 pmthem *pickles* have a long way to go i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:00 pmOh, you got it wrong. It’s “magnificent virility.” I always wonder what’s going on in the heads of those girls who scream for Kim Jong Un, a dictator Trump has praised. They see a disgusting and selfish man, right? But they see moral weakness as strength. I guess we can just ask Denver Guy why that’s good.
As for the ‘Maudie’ thing, hey, I’m delighted Hillary is tired and whatever. A weak federal executive is what the founders wanted, and while this isn’t what they meant, it’s as close as we’re going to get. Ideally they replace her in November. While all the chicken littles will suddenly find the next democrat nominee to be the worst person in the world, the normals would be relieved. Hillary flopping into vans is good news.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:10 pmnow i can’t wait for the pig to fall down again
best election EVER
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:12 pmFox hosts say Dr. Oz told them HE will see Trump’s medical records before Trump & will reveal them to Trump on air!
gosh that’s so exciting ! 🙂
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:15 pm“Do you really believe that forcing employers to pay 6 mos leave will accomplish either of those two goals?”
Their first mistake was following the government’s filthy antinatal incentive of ’employing young women rather than young husbands.’ We are well aware of the endgame of that particular arrangement:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/the-modern-corporate-harem/
They, along with many others, will now be crushed for seeing nothing in their country during peacetime aside from resources to pillage. There are in fact limits to these arrangements…and our patience.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:29 pmShorter Dustin, “💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💄💄💄💄💄💄🐷🐷🐷
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:34 pmthe for reals americans should all go out for fun cocktails one of these weekends and the piggers can all go to davenbusters (all u can eat wangs)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:37 pmSame old 🐴💩 different day.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:41 pm“My point, however, is that those who are now Shocked and Scandalized by Trump’s similar “let’s bribe lower-income Americans” plan have apparently not been paying careful attention to the actual policy changes offered up by some of their favorite TrueCon politicians, like Mike Lee and Marco Rubio.
Expanding the refundable child tax credit — that is, simply paying people for their children out of the US Treasury funds — is a longstanding centerpiece of the Reformacon agenda.
So am I shocked and scandalized by Trump’s proposal?
No, because I’ve actually bothered to keep up with policy proposals offered up by GOP thinkers and Senators, which include this sort of idea.
Has the #SmartSet bothered to inquire as to what the actual policy recommendations of their TrueCon All-Star Favorites are?
Do they have to hear what their (squee!) GOP Favorites are actually proposing from a non-conservative hack like me?
Now, I do oppose Trump’s idea. I didn’t like this idea when the Reformacons proposed it, and I’ve said so before. I can’t find my piece on this, but you can read Drew’s skeptical piece on it.
I don’t hate the Reformacons for this — I don’t think they’re “RINOs.” They are dealing with a tough political fact — you just can’t offer more tax cuts to people already entirely removed from the tax rolls.
But still, I do not like the idea.
That’s why I strongly prefer limiting immigration. So that these people see a financial improvement without it costing me any money.
The point is, we can disfavor these things, but we cannot pretend that what Trump is proposing is so far out of the TrueCon mainstream as to be heretical.
If you didn’t know the Reformacons — Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, etc. — were proposing this sort of “family friendly” child subsidy policy, well, that’s your bad for being ignorant about a political philosophy you claim to care deeply about.
It cannot be the case that Mike Lee and Marco Rubio are Forward-Thinking Reform-Minded Conservative Idea Wizards for proposing this sort of thing, and yet Trump is a Liberal Sell-Out Liar Who Doesn’t Speak Conservatism for proposing the same thing.
I’ll make two further points:
I don’t like loud politicians who say deeply alienating things. Many people seem to think this makes a candidate “Tough and strong.”
In fact, it makes him weak. When your tone is offensive, you must then compromise on actual policy to woo back those you’ve offended.
Trump right now is in a biding war to try to buy some support from women voters — something he wouldn’t have had to do if he hadn’t alienated them so much by shooting his mouth off so often.
Soft words permit you to enact hard policy; hard words require you to push soft policy.
When Al Gore and John McCain were caught taking Chinese money and doing favors for donors (respectively), what did they do? They immediately began pushing the idea of Campaign Reform. Having compromised themselves on the issue, they had to become more Catholic than the Pope to make up for their own personal weakness on campaign donation issues.
That’s what Trump is doing. Having compromised himself so badly and made himself so unappealing to the women whose votes he absolutely needs, he now has to throw them sops, and by sops, read “your tax money.”
One other point, though, is about the TrueCons: Having stated that their absolute number one priority is to make sure Trump doesn’t win (so as to protect the party from being “Corrupted” by him), they must know — mustn’t they? — that their actual influence on Trump is now diminished.
Why would Trump chase your vote? You’ve already said you’d never, ever vote for him, and you either say — or imply, without admitting — that Hillary Clinton would be preferable as president.
Since the pool you’re swimming in is absolutely immune to Trump’s bait, why wouldn’t he go fishing in another pool?
Politicians need voters, period. If you’ve declared yourself absolutely Ungettable, they will naturally try to get others.
Now, that said, let’s not overlook the first point, which is that Trump is in this position of having to bribe women to vote for him precisely because his Strong, Tough mouth has landed him in a Weak, Yielding position.
As they say: Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Not Speak loudly and then try to payoff people with US Treasury funds after you’ve shot your mouth off so much you’ve pissed off voters.”
— Ace
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365783.php
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:48 pmit was rio, jake, don’t try to figure it out,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2016/09/13/us-superstars-serena-and-venus-williams-and-simone-biles-given-d/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:49 pmHahahahaha Ace pretending that Rubio was a darling of true conservatives. Priceless.
The lengths you people will go to carry someone else’s water… Sad!
Leviticus (65e6ec) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:54 pmIt was a really rough 11 minutes wondering which passage from Ace of Spades Col Haiku would copy and paste in its entirety.
But CS Lewis explains that that pain is what brings glory and meaning to our lives.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:59 pmC’mon, Dustin… less mince, more smarm. Dem up.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:15 pm@103– As for the ‘Maudie’ thing, hey, I’m delighted Hillary is tired and whatever.
So a buttdragger making the rounds interviewing for the top gig is a good sign, eh.
Guess her desk calendar is already made out for Day One:
9AM- Noon, erase thumb drives, morning nap.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:15 pm1 PM-2 PM, hydrate.
3 PM to 6 PM, afternoon nap while hard drive erases.
7-9, dinner & dessert w/Huma; bubble bath.
9-10, prepare policy outline with DVD guidline: Maude, Season 2.
10 PM to 8 AM, sleep. No 3 AM calls allowed; go straight to message.
happyfeet quotes the article as saying:
Great. This is now a concrete example of what I have discussed before: the incentive of Congress to acquiesce in a proposal from a president of their own party, versus an incentive to fight a proposal from a president of the opposing party.
In the abstract, six weeks is better than 12. Sure, it’s absurd that a Republican would propose this, but Trump is not a Republican, really, so, lesser or two evils etc. etc. etc. Advantage: Trump!
Except…
…except that, which is better?
A proposal for 6 weeks that the GOP Congress (or at least House) might pass, because the president is from their own party?
Or a proposal for 12 weeks that they will certainly oppose, because that damned socialist Hillary?
I like door #2.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:26 pmI’m sure this is english but it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I already was very clear in my previous comment about it. Of course I want Hillary to drop out of the race, and if she does win, I would rather her be tired and do as little as possible. I solve my own problems and do not expect the federal government to solve them for me.
See how Trump wants this big new superleft government program, paid for with debt? I would rather just go work somewhere with the benefits I like. Independence is its own reward.
Haiku, there are more emojis for you to respond with. Try one with tears to really get at how you’re feeling.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:28 pmyou don’t understand, she is the facehugger queen, but her hive would go on without her,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:33 pmmark my words and heed them well
if this sad little country does that stinkypig all up in it
it’s gonna suck
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:37 pmverily
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:38 pmO’Failure still wins the booby prize for forcing seniors to pay for pre-natal coverage.
Harkin (3f1823) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:45 pmPatterico, the comments are becoming…well, a dumpster fire.
Lots of poo flinging, snark, and weirdo language.
What I wish for is a time machine, and take what people are writing, right now, and show it to them a year ago. Two years. Six years.
This is why I like your Constitutional Vanguard site. Rather than mirroring our pals on the Left, something positive?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:46 pmHey, Patterico? What if Rubio was the candidate? How would these folks react?
It’s worth thinking about.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:48 pm‘I like door #2.’
Ahhhh, TV game show lingo. You’re catching the buzz.
Now that Perry has tripped the light fantastic on Dancing With the Stars perhaps we can look forward to Cruz crooning ‘‘O’Canada‘ on The Voice next season. 😉
Conservatives may be learning: Americans don’t want to be governed. They wish to be entertained.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:48 pmso who would next years top donor list get one,
http://magafeed.com/new-clinton-leaks-reveals-donor-list-big-donors-awarded-federal-positions/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:48 pmBy all means, vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton…
“The FBI Illegally Refuses to Supply Congress With the Unredacted 302 Interview Notes from Hillary’s Interview; Jason Chaffetz Has Something to Say About That
—Ace
The FBI has taken it upon itself to decide whether or not Congress itself is allowed to see the notes from Hillary’s interview.
Apparently the FBI has now decided it is a superior institution to Congress.
Watch to the end: It gets good.”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365787.php
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:49 pmAhab, has earlier gone after exxon, but was skiddish on prosecuting subprime players,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/294994-ny-ag-opens-investigation-into-trump-foundation/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:53 pmSimon, I gotta agree that I appreciate the honesty that current options aren’t good enough and the positive way forward is to actually search for that positive way forward.
This Trump fan effort to win votes, zero at a time, bashing everybody who isn’t on board, is tedious. I felt bad for Romney’s fans when he lost, but I can’t say I’ll feel bad for Trump’s fans in november when their superman loses to the lady who flops into vans sometimes.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:55 pmFirst of all this is small potatoes compared to SCOTU,S the border and some other things. But anyway, what is this certainty that the GOP House will oppose it based on?
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:57 pmI don’t like this article, Pat. You are better than this.
Lynne (712b04) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:05 pmIf we don’t want Hillary, and we don’t, the only choice is Trump. At least he is a patriot.
The Goldilocks Brigade should go cook some porridge that meets their requirements.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:20 pmI have expressed my reservations about trump, on more than one occasion, why I didn’t vote for him in the primary, it’s this quixotic nature of mine, the reality is though his advisors will be closer to what we need than say red queen’s
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:22 pmI’d vote for any one of the people who participated in the Republican primaries before I’d vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton, Simon. Or didn’t cast a vote for president. That’s how important it is to me.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:23 pmdon’t know, coronello, maybe we have to fala, hablar, sprechen, other languages, because english doesn’t convey the point,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:28 pmWould you rather have Chris Christie as AG — or Loretta Lynch?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:28 pmThat’s what it comes down to.
Could be, narciso. Same unadulterated stuff from the same, sad sacks.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:37 pmthe reality is though his advisors will be closer to what we need than say red queen’s
But will he pay attention to what his advisors tell him?
And what if his most important advisors turn out to be Eric, Ivanka, and Donnie Jr?
kishnevi (3e3b90) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:42 pmyes, exhibits a through f, have been stipulated,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:43 pm@132– And I decided not to vote for Maudie because, by her own actions, she lost any hope of me giving her the benefit of the doubt on trust. They learned nothing from the 1990s. And I’ve watched the pragmatic, negotiating Trump at work, way before reality TV days, back in the boom-boom ’80’s- when The Donald, Helmsley and Steinbrenner, seasoned with little Billy, Reggie and Yogi, ran Steady Eddie Koch’s New York.
Which makes me one of the crossover voters Maudie lost. So it’ll be my first GOP vote since the mid 1980’s. SCOTUS and assorted policies will shake themselves out. But yes, once in, Trump will draw competent people around him more familiar with the realities of our times and deal with them as a pragmatist, not an ideologue.
Besides, it’ll give Maudie time to learn how to bake cookies… and puts a stake through the heart of lingering feminism from the 1970’s.
Should be a great show! Better four years of Dallas than Maude.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:44 pmthis is how they kneecap the opposition, south of the caribbean,
http://www.wsj.com/articles/takedown-of-a-candidate-bogota-style-1473630721
you say it can’t happen here?
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:48 pm1984, it’s an instruction manual.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2016/09/13/politicos-grunwald-denies-jonathan-gruber-was-obamacare-architect
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:58 pmThe #NeverTrumpers are so angry about Ivanka Trump’s proposal for 6 weeks of paid maternity leave, that they’re willing to support Hillary who favors 12 weeks of paid maternity leave.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:00 pmdoes not compute, coronello,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:01 pmHeh. You said “run”.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:13 pmOr you could vote Johnson/Weld.
NickM (d6362a) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:32 pmJust say no to both of the sociopathic grifters.
I’m trying to figure out the parameters of #NeverTrump here.
A President signs ADA into law, no #NeverBush, no purging of the Party.
A President signs the biggest expansion of entitlements ever, no #NeverBush, no purging of the Party.
A President works with Democrats to foist top-down education and testing disasters on the whole nation, no #NeverBush, no purging of the Party.
A Presidential candidate sponsors a bill restricting free speech that inconveniences incumbents like himself, no #NeverMcCain, no purging of the Party.
A Presidential candidate signs Obamacare 1.0 into law in his state, no #NeverRomney, no purging of the Party.
But 6 weeks of paid maternity leave is utterly unacceptable.
Gabriel Hanna (573faa) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:37 pm@NickM:Or you could vote Johnson/Weld.
Yes, because I want a carbon tax and I want them to do something about firearms in civilian hands, which they call “weapons of mass destruction”.
Gabriel Hanna (573faa) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:38 pmBut 6 weeks of paid maternity leave is far more unacceptable than carbon taxes and gun-grabbing!
Gabriel Hanna (573faa) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:40 pmthe last straw principle is understandable, like mailman’s son’s medicaid expansion, however so is the reality of the current obstacle,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:42 pmmaybe they could do with some of that fact checking prowess only available at bezos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/12/there-were-five-phantom-donations-in-the-files-of-donald-trumps-foundation-heres-what-we-know/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:46 pmRight. Kasich or Bush likely would have come up with some proposal like this. We can logically infer that NeverTrumpism is not about issues, in the same way that many have concluded that Obama’s Iran policy cannot be about preventing them from getting nukes.
I realize a few of the NeverTrumps would not have voted for Kasich. But most of them would have.
Their problem with Trump (in most cases) is totally unrelated to issues. That doesn’t mean they agree with him on everything. I don’t agree with him on various things. But the same positions in another candidate would be acceptable.
Their problem with Trump is actually that they don’t like him and his core supporters. His supporters may be a bigger reason than Trump himself. They think they’re the deplorables and they’re trying to get back at them or something.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:29 pmdon’t know gerald, you would think they would be aware with the longterm consequences of oxygen deprivation from holding their breath
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:54 pmGerald, I cannot speak for others, but I am one of those #neverTrumpers who wouldn’t have voted for Kasich. I don’t think he was even as strong as Jeb as a candidate- that’s going some, even by my meagre standards.
I’m not holding any breath, Narciso. I accept that Trump is the nominee on the right side of the aisle. I also accept that we will see either a President Trump OR a President Clinton. I’m simply choosing to take myself out of the process to back either of those dishrags.
Bill H (971e5f) — 9/14/2016 @ 1:13 am#nevertrump has tied their star to 2020 and awaits events.
Frankly, America has no need of quitters, not in 2016 or thereafter.
Why we should ever listen to d!psh!ts is beyond us.
DNF (755a85) — 9/14/2016 @ 3:59 amLast paragraph of Gerald A at 151 summarizes what is perceived t be Chicago White Sox fandom and why not much bandwagon materialized post 2005.
urbanleftbehind (6c224e) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:06 am155. Coach Lombardi: “Winning isn’t the main thing, it’s the only thing.”
As Scott Adams said 9/12/16, Hillary is now unelectable. Hoping for President Trump to fail is now all #nevertrump stands for, meaning they are pulling for entropy, decline and depression.
Ridicule will be their reward.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:17 amwho suffers through 8 years of food stamp rape then pines for stinkypig all up in it
that’s just so
dark
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:08 amTheir problem with Trump (in most cases) is totally unrelated to issues. That doesn’t mean they agree with him on everything. I don’t agree with him on various things. But the same positions in another candidate would be acceptable.
Actually, that is true for me.
Trump the person is unfit to be President: character, integrity (meaning lack thereof), apparent ignorance on policy matters, etc.
Had he been a life long proponent of small government, he still would be unfit for office.
Jeffrey Smith (91d450) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:34 am158 was me. I hit the wrong button on my browser.
Kishnevi (91d450) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:36 amSo now you know my real name.
I couldn’t say where she’s coming’ from,
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:42 amBut I just met a lady named Hillary Humm
She limped on over, say “look here, bum,
I got a forty dollar bill say you can’t make me cum”
(Y’jes can’t do it)
She made a bet with her Huma who’s a little dumb
She could prove it any time all men was scum
I don’t mind that she called me a bum,
But I knew right away she was really gonna cum
(So I got down to it)
I whipped off her bloomers’n stiffened my thumb
An’ applied rotation to her sugar plum
I poked’n stroked till my wrist got numb
But I still didn’t hear no Hillary Humm,
Hillary Humm
Hillary Humm
Where this Hillary
Comin’ from
Done spent three hours
An’ I ain’t got a crumb
From the Hillary, Hillary, Hillary
From the Hillary Humm
#158
Gerald A (0b426a) — 9/14/2016 @ 6:24 amMaybe we have a split personality in Jeffrey/kishnevi. kishnevi has been complaining that the problem with Trump is that he’s indistinguishable from Clinton because he’s not for small government.
Note: At the time taht Hillary Clitnon said it was a beautiful day in New York, she was probably not aware of the vide, which, although it had been shot about two hours earlier, was only just beginning to ciculate. I haven’t seen the story about it – who shot it – and where it frst appeared – on You Tube or CNN. Her campaign, though, had said she had felt dehydrated, and she wanted to say really it was nothing – she didn’t feel bad at all.
At the time she said that, I read, the memorial ceremony (the reading of the names) at Ground Zero was not yet over.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/14/2016 @ 7:33 amDNF (ffe548) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:17 am
If the percentage of the 2-party votes drops below about 75% she won’t become president, although there are any number of possibilities as to who will.
But right now, the 2-party vote is holding at above 80%, and this kind of thing I would think is almost impossible to poll, because either deliberately mentioning third party candidates, or leaving them out, biases the sample.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/14/2016 @ 7:38 amDenver Guy wrote:
And there we have it. Socialism, plain and simple; or fascism, if we want to be precise about the specific variety. Or, as our current president put it, “you didn’t build that”. Denver Guy, given that belief what the **** are you doing here?
Milhouse (961776) — 9/14/2016 @ 11:36 amWhy should they? The nation doesn’t own their businesses; they do. The nation didn’t build their businesses; they did. They are not the nation’s servants; the nation is their servant. They do not exist for the nation’s sake; the nation exists for their sake. That is the core belief on which the USA was founded.
Milhouse (961776) — 9/14/2016 @ 11:43 am“Note: At the time taht Hillary Clitnon”
Sammeh meet Sigmund…
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 9/14/2016 @ 11:49 amColonol Hailu @168. 1684 was posted in the wrong thread. It should have bene in the pneumonia one, and I later put a comment thgere that repeated the gist of that.
I don’t follow what you said. Some kind of reference to slips?
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/14/2016 @ 12:43 pmNot all, but certainly a lot. If serial adultery — and proudly boasting of it — is not debauchery, what is?
Milhouse (02c8a3) — 9/14/2016 @ 3:21 pm@Milhouse: The nation didn’t build their businesses; they did.
Boeing is a bad example. Our government has been lending foreign governments the money to purchase Boeing’s products. In addition, Boeing has been building thing FOR the government.
So no, in Boeing’s case they did not, in fact, build that.
However they were doing what Denver Guy demands: taking orders and direction and support from the government. For the good of the country. Of course. Who doubts the selfless gentlemen at Boeing and their unionized, highly compensated and politically active work force?
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:08 pmWish the government would lend people money to patronize MY business.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:08 pmno milhouse, that’s the difference between manufacturing and sales, one might argue the latter is an incentive to expand the former, in lockheed’s case, as well as general dynamics, there was a famous example in the 70s
narciso (d1f714) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:13 pmpardon me, I meant gabriel,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:15 pmMaking productive investments and managing them competently is the only way that industry (large or small) ever has or will serve the people, because that produces prosperity, and nothing else does.
Anything industry does that doesn’t increase general prosperity has nothing to do with serving the people.
A law saying “You have to give everyone 6 weeks of paid maternity leave” doesn’t have anything to do with making productive investments or managing them competently. Therefore it doesn’t increase general prosperity and doesn’t serve the people. But if you really don’t agree move to places like France or Greece. They have lots of those kinds of laws. Of course we’re not far behind them at this point (or maybe I should say we’re not far ahead of them).
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:36 pmMemo: Maureen Dowd on television
Subject: pitching a book on TV
Observation: Maureen Dowd is fat.
Wearing a too small powder blue suit on Monday’s Megyn Kelly cablecast made Megyn look anorexic.
Tuesday’s dark suit on O’Donnell’s spinner was less conspicuous.
Recommendation: If you’re going to do TV, wear dark clothing and hit the salad bar in the NYT cafeteria. Because by now you should have learned Americans don’t want to be preached to or governed. They wish to be entertained. So be a Gypsy Rose Lee… and ‘let you, entertain us…’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:49 pmi hate hillary plus she has diseases real ones and made-up ones
therefore she is no good
what i’d like to see now is a little consensus around these issues
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:52 pmthat reminds me, you know what that victorian gent powell, said about the fair megyn, dontcha,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:52 pmtell me tell me
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:58 pm@narcisco:that’s the difference between manufacturing and sales,
I’m not seeing it. The government did something to help Boeing that it didn’t do for anybody else, and that thing was to lend foreigners money to buy Boeing products.
Gabriel Hanna (573faa) — 9/14/2016 @ 4:59 pmlet us say he verbalized, what it was said trump had implied,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:03 pmi heard colin said even on her sickest day the pig likes to go home and d**k some bimbos
heavens to goddamn betsy
think of it
you have no spine, pig
Not one ounce of morality.
christ even common sense
nuclear holocaust, rape, murder, apartheid
why
these words they mean nothing to you
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/14/2016 @ 5:06 pmWhat is? I don’t understand your point. Manufacturing and sales are both economic activities that create value; what is the difference between them?
Milhouse (961776) — 9/14/2016 @ 9:31 pmthat was my fault, he said ‘you didn’t build that’ and I referred to manufacturing, frankly that crappy marxist saying needs to go,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/14/2016 @ 9:38 pmNewt:
DNF (755a85) — 9/15/2016 @ 7:38 am#nevertrump wants to make Trump the issue.
However, for the vast majority on the Right, #nevertrump are the Elite’s orcs. Running the Elites to ground is a two-fer.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/15/2016 @ 7:43 amSo the notion that the thrombosis of her nasal sinus implies a stroke is not far-fetched. Her seizures could be brain damage and Parkinson’s be a secondary condition.
The petit mal seizures seem frequent, e.g., the convention balloon drop, the protest while at podium in OH, etc.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:01 amTrading one set of problems for another:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/14/ford-moving-all-small-car-manufacturing-out-of-detroit-and-into-mexico/
DNF (ffe548) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:04 am112. Ace:
Does Ace know that you can’t find a single economist who believes that nonsense? Nor does anyone who cites this kind of theory apply it anywhere else. It;s empirically false.
The fact of the matter is increased immigration improves the income of the old-timers. And if you double the population of a city, average wages go up by 15%. The most you can argue is that there is a small subclass of people whose income drops by a trifle, and I mean a trifle, with the immigration of similarly skilled people.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:13 amVia Mish Shedlock:
DNF (ffe548) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:28 amHypersecretive HRC is avoiding diagnosis, let alone conventional treatment.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/15/2016 @ 8:39 amHe got phlebitis (after he resigned) Blood clots in the leg.
There’s something else going on besides pneumonia, as even actually both Bill and Hllary have admitted. She’s fallen otehr times.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/16/2016 @ 2:43 pm