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3/21/2016

President Obama Welcomes Castro’s Criticisms Of The U.S.

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:48 pm



[guest post by Dana]

President Obama today in Cuba:

“President Castro also addressed what he views as shortcomings in the United States around basic needs for people and poverty and inequality and race relations, and we welcome that constructive dialogue as well because we believe that when we share our deepest beliefs and ideas with an attitude of mutual respect that we can both learn and make the lives of our people better.”

Before President Obama arrived, more than 200 dissidents were arrested across the island. This included the head of the Cuban Commission on Human Rights and National ReconciliationElizardo Sanchez, as well as Berta Soler, founder of the well known Ladies in White activist group. This also right before Raul Castro claimed that Cuba holds no political prisoners:

When asked why Cuba has political prisoners, Castro testily addressed Acosta directly, saying “Give me the list now of political prisoners to release … if there are political prisoners they’ll be free before nightfall.”

Shortly after, the Cuban American National Foundation, one of the most influential Cuban exile lobby groups in the world, released a list of 47 political prisoners. The group, CANF, said in a statement that accompanied the list: “As requested today by Cuban President, Raul Castro, the Cuban American National Foundation provides a list of 47 verified political prisoners. It is our expectation that these political prisoners will be released, unconditionally, by this evening.”

Dissidents were hoping President Obama would be the voice of advocacy and support for those being oppressed and silenced by the regime:

Guillermo Farinas, a leading voice in Cuba’s civil rights movement who is part of the group that could meet Obama, is camped out at a friend’s house this week because he said Cuban authorities have ordered him to be on house arrest. He said many other dissidents like him are being blockaded in their homes ahead of Obama’s visit. Because of that, he said Obama has a “moral responsibility” to strongly criticize Cuba’s human rights record and push the government to improve before the U.S. further expands its relationship with Cuba.

As Marco Rubio pointed out when summing up the president’s trip:

On Sunday, President Obama will touch down in Cuba for what promises to be one of the most disgraceful trips ever taken by a U.S. president anywhere in the world.

He’s right. Read Rubio’s great take-down of the president’s trip here.

Ted Cruz also weighed in:

The White House keeps saying that this trip will chart a new course for people-to-people relations, but all that Obama’s appeasement of the Castro dictatorship has done so far is create a channel for inside deals between large corporations and the Cuban military, which holds all the keys to the island’s economy. The effect will not be liberalization but rather the institutionalization of the Communist dictatorship as the profits from this détente will line the pockets not only of Fidel and Raul Castro, but also of Raul’s son, Alejandro Castro Espin.

Oh, and this group photo is making the rounds on the internet. Some people countered criticism of the photo and President Obama by pointing to an old photo of President Reagan making a *speech beneath a statue of Lenin when he was in the Soviet Union. Big difference though, Reagan and Lenin did not share the same political philosophies. Can we say that with equal assurance about President Obama and the Castro brothers?

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*It’s typical that the left would point to the photo of Reagan giving a speech beneath Lenin without noting that his speech was all about freedom . I don’t think the left intended the appropriateness of President Reagan’s eloquent speech resurface during the current administration’s trip to Cuba:

But freedom is more even than this: Freedom is the right to question, and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuing revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows us to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions. It is the right to put forth an idea, scoffed at by the experts, and watch it catch fire among the people. It is the right to stick – to dream – to follow your dream, or stick to your conscience, even if you’re the only one in a sea of doubters.

Freedom is the recognition that no single person, no single authority of government has a monopoly on the truth, but that every individual life is infinitely precious, that every one of us put on this world has been put there for a reason and has something to offer.

–Dana

90 Responses to “President Obama Welcomes Castro’s Criticisms Of The U.S.”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. cuba is zika and aids and hepatitis

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Also, if you are interested, one of the most profound and moving autobiographies about Cuba is Carlos Eire’s “Waiting for Snow in Havana: Confessions of a Cuban Boy.” It is hauntingly beautiful and will leave you dazed. Interestingly, Eire, who teaches at Yale, offered an op-ed to the Washington Post and the NYT about the president’s Cuba trip, and was turned down.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  4. Feckless Mau Mau.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. Perhaps Eire being refused had something to do with his declaration that he would never, ever step food in Cuba again as long as the Castro brothers were alive…

    Dana (0ee61a)

  6. beyonce lurvs her some cuba and an all over tan

    nevermind the aids and hepatitis

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. Well as Buckley once quipped, Fidel got his job through the times

    narciso (732bc0)

  8. It is hard to speak civilly one cousin was abandoned at the bag of pigs, another relative disappeared in the straIghts

    narciso (732bc0)

  9. The Left is evil. Don’t forget this during these internecine wars of the (R) Party.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  10. Remember the Alamo.

    OR was that… shes

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  11. it’s good at least to see failmerica’s being warmly received by the third world

    the transition could’ve gone quite badly

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. Bay of pigs, which Kennedy had switched from trinidad, the base of the resistance.

    narciso (732bc0)

  13. I just added this to the post as it was very fitting:

    This also right before Raul Castro claimed that Cuba holds no political prisoners:

    When asked why Cuba has political prisoners, Castro testily addressed Acosta directly, saying “Give me the list now of political prisoners to release … if there are political prisoners they’ll be free before nightfall.”

    Shortly after, the Cuban American National Foundation, one of the most influential Cuban exile lobby groups in the world, released a list of 47 political prisoners. The group, CANF, said in a statement that accompanied the list: “As requested today by Cuban President, Raul Castro, the Cuban American National Foundation provides a list of 47 verified political prisoners. It is our expectation that these political prisoners will be released, unconditionally, by this evening.”

    Dana (0ee61a)

  14. Doofus extraordinaire.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  15. This is my favorite comment about that photo, so far, by ‎@neontaster:

    Photo of an icon for idiot hipsters who has done nothing to deserve liberal praise. And also Che Guevara.

    arik (02de93)

  16. A doofus, that’s all top kind a description. Who is going to little brother do this?

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. Compared to “Tear down this wall”….

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (cb5e81)

  18. A doofus is a kindness masking the basic truth. He is evil.

    This is how he can take a bust of Churchill and dispose of it in a fit of rage while at the same time create photo ops that prop up and support mass murderers.

    It is called evil. Not doofus.

    They must be destroyed. Not talked to. Destroyed politically and economically and when possible (and legal) — incarcerated. All of them.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  19. May I also add Obola for a speech at Georgetown had religious symbols covered up lest he offend. I see no such concern when the shoe is on the other foot.

    Evil. Simple.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  20. So when you’re in high surgeon over trump, is there low dudgeon, gaze into the abyss.

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. Yes, there is low dudgeon. Dudgeon is the hilt of a dagger and the phrase comes from anger that makes you raise it high. Low dudgeon is where you keep your cool and go in low and sneaky.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. The March 13 tugboat passengers were unavailable for comment.

    narciso (732bc0)

  23. After that nc17 moment with chavez we knew what Obama was about.

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. and when possible (and legal) — incarcerated. All of them.

    Rodney King’s Spirit, you spelled “incinerated” wrong.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  25. The Castro brothers didn’t even bother to greet The One at the airport.

    Oh, great, ObMa’s speaking under the guy on the t shirt who murdered Cuban blacks and gays for sport.

    Personally think it was past time to change the relationship and seek to give ordinary Cubans some chance to have a better life through American involvement. But this is not the way to do it. And to have any deal without requiring Joann Chesimard and the other criminals who fled there be turned over as a prerequisite is inexplicable. The Castros would have put her in cuffs and on a plane north quicker than I can finish this sentence.

    Bugg (3ae93d)

  26. Reagan also made a speech in front of the Berlin Wall. Maybe they’ll tell me he was endorsing that too.

    Let’s ask the random person on the street in Russia:

    Me: “Sir, did Ronald Reagan support Communism?”
    Greg Packovich: “Nyet! Are you vuktard?”

    There you have it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. I don’t mind getting my photo taken in front of a an eighty-foot tall image of Che Guevara, but I can’t stand to have a two-foot tall bust of Winston Churchill in the White House! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  28. #21 is easily the coolest thing i learned all day

    happyfeet (831175)

  29. Where is the rest of the Democrat Party on this?

    Heck, where is the US Congress on this? A nice resolution of censure should be in the offing. Then again, in a perfect world, Obama would have about 15 of those resolutions to his name by now (no US President has been censured by the House and Andy Jackson’s Senate censure was expunged several years later).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. How come he didn’t take Bernie with him? I’m certain he wanted to go.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. I note that Trump’s complaint was that Castro showed disrespect for Obama by not greeting him at the airport. Not sure I get Trump’s point.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  32. it would’ve been cooler if you’d noted about the dudgeon

    happyfeet (831175)

  33. Every head of state, is greeted at the airport, like the pope, it shows the contempt little bros. Holds him in.

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. There is one other major difference. The USSR was a superpower. Reagan had to deal with them. Cuba is a bankrupt petty state. It has nothing to offer the U.S.

    Oh, and Reagan’s conciliatory moves toward the USSR came in between fervent and eloquent denunciations of Soviet iniquity, and maneuvers to squeeze the Soviet economy and undermine its puppet. He won genuine concessions from the Soviets.

    Obama has never criticized the Castro dictatorship, never asked for any concessions from Castro, never put any sort of pressure on them.

    Rich Rostrom (d2c6fd)

  35. State media also released the wandering coma’s pics with Tommy boy maduro.

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. What do you make of this, if anything?
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/03/obama-goes-limp.php

    Was he over-compensating to refrain from a black power fist??

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (cb5e81)

  37. He won genuine concessions from the Soviets.

    Such as becoming defunct.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  38. I just finished bawling out a right-wing extremist who said Obama is a Communist. Then our leader gives Castro a photo op in front of a portrait of Che and makes the weak remarks cited above. OK, Obama is trying to be diplomatic but he might have made reference to Cuba’s lack of free elections, treatment of dissidents, etc. Mr. President, this episode isn’t helpful. I didn’t apologize because Obama is certainly not a Communist. But optics count and Mr. President, you need to be more realistic.
    Spoken like a true retarded racist K-nt! I’ve always knew Obama haters were always the biggest racists, bigots, black-hating, Klansman, t-bagger scumbags K-nts like Trump. Good to know I was right…as usual.
    Guess y’all forgot about Reagan posing next to a bust of Lenin. Or Bush II posing in front of a shrine to Ho Chi Minh.
    Guys, please stop saying you care about Cuba when you obviously dont? I dont see you falling over yourselves in anger when the President goes to China, which has a far worse human rights record than Cuba could ever hope to achieve.
    Fact: Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, And Richard Nixon have all been photographed in front of communist leaders
    Fact: Donald Trump and his supporters are racist bigots.
    The United States stands up and shakes hands with any petty dictator we can get something out of.
    By all means, trash the Castro regime, they ARE pure evil, but be consistent with your outrage or get of your soap box.
    Obama turned his back on Che. Cool. If you search the net, you’ll also find photos of Bush with Gorbachev in front of the soviet flag and Reagan posing in front of Stalin. We’ve done the same thing for 57 years and it has not worked. Good for Obama for putting an end to it and starting Cuba on the road to changing the Castro regime.
    The only traitors are you guys for disrespecting your Commander in Chief. And I’ll say you the trouble of commenting on this.
    “He’s not my President!” We know, becacause you are a racist, bigoted turd that hates having black people in the White House. That is true.
    How can any human being be so miserably ignorant? First most of your comment is just pure bull, you could not substantiate those delusions to save your life. Second, no president in history has ever faced the deliberate job and recovery sabotage by the Republican obstruction.
    The lack of jobs is from Republican offshoring and public jobs elimination.
    The majority of the debt is from the unpaid costs of the previous administration, if the Republicans had not extended tax cuts, the debt would be paid by now.
    Obama has not driven the white people to hysterical bigoted rage, they were that way already.
    If American Exceptionalism really means, “America can do no wrong and no American should acknowledge its problems” then you probably should “surrender” that delusion. Are you guys really that insecure — or is it just mindless outrage? I listen to the Republican debates and it’s as if America has become the worst hellhole known to man. How do you square that with your notion of “American Exceptionalism” and your current outrage at the president’s comments? (And don’t tell me that “Obama has destroyed America” craziness — as if America wasn’t on the verge of the next Great Depression when he entered office).
    You are just an unsubstantiated hysterically paranoid drama queen.
    Calling the POTUS a POS and a fraud seems to the usual calling call for you right-wing racists and bigots like you.

    Questionman (b33971)

  39. Babalu blog is where I go for the low down on the bros plantation.

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. There is one other major difference. The USSR was a superpower. Reagan had to deal with them. Cuba is a bankrupt petty state. It has nothing to offer the U.S.

    Ah, Rich, never underestimate the value of making mushminded liberals feel good about themselves with misguided outreach to hostile totalitarian regimes (as long as they are left-wing totalitarian regimes).

    JVW (9e3c77)

  41. If the Cuban Dictator says the American economy stinks, then he’s merely engaging in respectful international dialogue. But if a Republican says the American economy stinks, then he’s being a fear-mongering jerk who wants the stock market to tank and your grandmother to have to subsist on cat food.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. Man, am I sick of this twit.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  43. “‘But this is a new day between our two countries,’ said the US Head of State, who acknowledged that the two countries have shared values.”

    Huh?

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  44. This link is entirely off-topic, but it is just breath-takingly specific — and damning in each and every one of them: Hillary Has an NSA Problem.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  45. Cuba- A country flush with 1950’s car parts.

    mg (31009b)

  46. Not all greetings at airports on trips to or from Cuba go particularly well:

    I’m a retired investor living on a pension. I came home to vote in the Presidential Election because they wouldn’t give me an absentee ballot.

    — Famous last words of Hyman Roth, upon landing at the Miami airport, in The Godfather: Part II.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  47. I wonder if they have any old pin ball machines? Air hockey and foosh ball have yet to arrive in good old Cuba.

    mg (31009b)

  48. Highlight of Obama’s speech:

    “The United States recognizes the progress that Cuba has made as a nation, it’s enormous achievements in education and in health care. And perhaps most importantly, I affirm that Cuba’s destiny will not be decided by the United States or any other nation. Cuba is sovereign and rightly has great pride and the future of Cuba will be decided by Cubans, not by anybody else.”

    Great achievements? And Cubans will decide the future of Cuba the same way as Iranians have decided the future of that country.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  49. 30. Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/21/2016 @ 7:39 pm

    I note that Trump’s complaint was that Castro showed disrespect for Obama by not greeting him at the airport. Not sure I get Trump’s point.

    Lack of respect for the United States, owing to the United States being made to appear less powerful, allegedly because of Barack Obama’s foreign policy.

    Sammy Finkelman (89fe6f)

  50. I was fascinated by Trump’s speech at AIPAC today, using a prepared script and a teleprompter. He seemed not just subdued, but oddly sheepish to me, as if he were a one-note actor forced to play a slightly unfamiliar role. Like all Trump rhetoric, though, this speech was basically a reshuffling of about two dozen index cards with one-sentence talking points written on them. The organization was slightly better, which made it — unsurprisingly, given expectations for Trump — boring.

    Cruz’ speech at AIPAC was just a firehose of substance, delivered with his trademark intensity and conviction. He was at his most Reaganesque.

    I didn’t bother to watch Kasich’s AIPAC speech, nor Hillary’s.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  51. Oh, and in still other news: Trump decided today that the U.S. probably ought to just rethink and maybe pull out of this whole NATO thing. Y’know, the one that won the Cold War and has prevented World War 3? Cornerstone of American foreign policy and global strategic defense continuously since 1949? Oh, yeah — that one.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  52. Someone very cleverly captioned the photo thus winning the interweb for today.

    https://twitter.com/deppisch/status/711940214252511233/photo/1

    Gazzer (1cd4be)

  53. What do y’all think about the USA negotiating conditions of release on behalf of this Otto Warmbier character? Just curious.

    Leviticus (a6edbd)

  54. He seems like he’s got himself in a bind, is all.

    What’s the over/under on some shameful diplomatic pandering that keeps him from doing 15 years hard labor in a Nork prison camp?

    Leviticus (a6edbd)

  55. Let’s hope the nation will never again be saddled with a POTUS as malevolent, as vicious, as cynical and as incompetent as this malleable buffoon. He’s a national disgrace.

    Colonel Haiku (c22a91)

  56. Leviticus,

    You have to wonder about any American who voluntarily chooses to travel to North Korea, no?

    Dana (0ee61a)

  57. Colonel, you will love the above link. Please check it out.

    Gazzer (1cd4be)

  58. Cuba- A country flush with 1950’s car parts.

    mg (31009b) — 3/21/2016 @ 9:01 pm

    It’s funny you mention that, MG. There’s been an awful lot of so-called classic car enthusiasts licking their chops, hoping to make the score of a lifetime. They just don’t seem to understand- or care- that those cars are long past any hope of sensible restoration. Buying something similar here would be far better from an economic point.

    That is an awful lot of junk to ship across the strait.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  59. Cuba is a bankrupt petty state. It has nothing to offer the U.S.

    It offers us an unsinkable base from which to protect commerce through the canal. Guantanamo cuts back on those Pirates of the Caribbean. Cuts way back. John Dep better watch his step.

    Also, and this might never be exploited given the nature of our leadership, Cuba offers offshore drilling leases to foreign oil companies close to rich finds in Florida. Well outside the reach of the EPA.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  60. I’m struck by the attaches presenting to Castro a list of prisoners to be freed before sundown.
    Did Castro follow through?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  61. I think if enough of us goaded him, Obama would fly over to Peyongyang to fetch Otto Warbler, and supplicate himself to another dictator.

    Maybe Jong would keep them both!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  62. Otto Warmbier was on a group tour offered by http://www.youngpioneertours.com/ (Starting at 445 Euro)

    Here he is being squeezed by the NORKS for whatever propaganda value.

    The only thing he says that I believe is “Biggest mistake of my life.”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  63. Prayers for the victims and their families.
    These ingrates need to be attached to a sturdy oak branch.

    mg (31009b)

  64. Aren’t Young Pioneers the Communist version of the Hitlerjugend? A Communist indoctrination and recruiting tool? And warm beer (yes, that’s what it means) looks suspiciously well-fed for a Korean prisoner to me.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. 60-Belgium victims.

    mg (31009b)

  66. ‘It’s Texas.
    There is no bad barbecue in Texas.’
    – Tom Kite.

    mg (31009b)

  67. — How could you possibly allow Hillary to be President by refusing to support Trump in the general election?
    — Trump decided today that the U.S. probably ought to just rethink and maybe pull out of this whole NATO thing. Y’know, the one that won the Cold War and has prevented World War 3? Cornerstone of American foreign policy and global strategic defense continuously since 1949? Oh, yeah — that one.
    Beldar (fa637a) — 3/21/2016 @ 9:17 pm

    nk (dbc370)

  68. Shame on BO for using America to pander and bow to such evil dictators of the world….. shameful

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  69. papertiger, that Young Pioneers stuff is a joke. right?

    You have to wonder about any American who voluntarily chooses to travel to North Korea, no?

    Yes, Dana you do. My wife and I have businesses in South Korea and one in Hong Kong. About ten years ago I was asked by our associates if I’d like to go to Pyongyang to explore opening a restaurant there. They were serious. I laughed and laughed and laughed. They didn’t want to go because as South Koreans they were afraid they’d be called spies and not allowed to leave. They figured since I was American I was safe. How did that work out for the pro-commie American kid? Now imagine how well this loud-mouthed commie killer would go over in Pyongyang. I was against the Hong Kong location and that makes good money. Too bad they make it nearly impossible to take it out of the country.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  70. That photo looks like it was taken out of a page from Nazi Germany. Scary, Why is Obama standing at rank and file attention. He truly has taken America to a dark place.

    jrt (bc7456)

  71. Hi, Gazzer… yep, that’s very appropriate!

    Colonel Haiku (c22a91)

  72. Nah Hoagie. Here’s five fast facts. It’s the real deal. I know what you mean though. It looks like one of those People’s Cube spoofs.

    But it’s an honest to goodness commie tourist trap (with the emphasis on trap).

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  73. Now everyone repeat after me, Islam is a religion of peace!!!

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  74. I had some problems with that site loading. Could be Internet Explorer. But I got the jist of the story. The guy is a fruitcake and he may have gotten fruity in a we-don’t-tolerate-fruits commie country. He was a student of I think they said government and economics so you would think he’d understand the inability of a régime that can’t support itself to laugh at itself. My guess is he was a romantic communist and he will soon be a worn-out communist. But in a country where 200,000 die of starvation each year his ration of kimchee and rice will sustain him for 15 years. Ever hear of “Scared Straight”?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  75. This is all a setup to give our military base to these communists. They will use it as a proper gulag for any supporters of freedom just as Obama believes it should be used.

    Is it January yet?

    njrob (f5348f)

  76. Probably correct, njrob. Unfortunately there is a method to his mad fecklessness.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (f315c7)

  77. Obama just said (Tues. a.m.) that the world must unite to fight the scourge of terrorism.

    That’s it. And he’s back to praising Cuba.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  78. nk,
    if you’re there
    my daughter is in Chicago with her HS choir, if you go to the Field Museum you can see her sing, she is the one with longish dark red hair (natural, not scarlet died red…)

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (f315c7)

  79. dyed

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (f315c7)

  80. Obama spent less than 60 seconds on the attack in Brussels. He made it sound like the attack was on Belgium and not that it was against the west. He is nuts.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  81. Its a speed bump, for him, ×#&_&

    narciso (b19692)

  82. “Uh-vonna” “Pokky-ston”

    Our presnint so brillant!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  83. I can’t promise anything, MD. My own daughter is in her school’s play, and they’re doing three performances. Maybe if one of them is at the Field Museum …? However, all the best to your daughter and I hope she enjoys her stay in Chicago.

    nk (dbc370)

  84. No promises expected, nk.
    and all the best to your daughter in her play.
    I think they are in Chicago most of the week, they sang at the zoo yesterday, not sure where else is planned.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (f315c7)

  85. It’s really very simple. The Castro brothers exercise powers Obama wishes he could. And to the same ends: creation of a Marxist utopia.

    The rest is mere detail.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  86. Makes me sick when the mfm calls cuba an “Island Nation”.
    Commie hell hole.
    I wonder if they still use wooden shafted clubs on the Cuban Links?
    Spikes are probably allowed. I bet they don’t have golf carts yet. What will obama do?

    mg (31009b)

  87. Apparently when Raul Castro answered questions in the joint presser with Obama, that was the first time the Dictator had ever bothered to answer a question from the public.

    So he said he would free the political prisoners. Have any of them been freed yet?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  88. Bored Lawyer (998177) — 3/22/2016 @ 10:57 am

    yes, reminiscent of things he said about China a number of years ago, in praise of their public works in support of the Olympics, among other things.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (261129)


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