March 5 Elections: Cruz Kicking Donald Trump’s Rear End Today
I don’t want to jinx anything, so I won’t suggest that this is a turnaround.
But dude. This could be a turnaround.
Cruz has won Kansas, and looks to be on his way to victory in Maine and perhaps a couple other states. We’ll keep an eye on it.
UPDATE: Meanwhile, I see nothing creepy about this at all. Do you?
Donald Trump makes members of his Orlando crowd raise their right hands and swear to vote in the primary. pic.twitter.com/EVenRilJrV
— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) March 5, 2016
UPDATE x2:
With 27% in for Maine, Cruz 44.3% Trump 33.6% Kasich 11.4% https://t.co/VupeaQnXFi
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) March 5, 2016
I am cautiously optimistic. Perhaps the Trump U fiasco, coupled with Trump’s apparent flip-flop on immigration, is helping Cruz. But too early to tell for sure.
Pete (2535bd) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:30 pmCruz does seem to excel in vast expanses where few people live. It’s the Canadian in him.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:33 pmI will be on board if this materializes but you must understand destroying Trump is not building up Cruz.
If you cannot bring in the Trump vote you will not win.
Bridges sh!theads.
DNF (755a85) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:34 pmClosed primaries making a monster difference. If these numbers hold, pressure builds enormously for a Crubio unity ticket.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:37 pmI hope this means Ted looks good for MO.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:41 pmCBS calls KS for Ted!!!!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:42 pmUPDATE: Meanwhile, I see nothing creepy about this at all. Do you?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:44 pm4.”unity ticket”
Rubio is a lying SPOS. Conservatives and the GOPe earnestly copulating together cannot win. Your only hope is to bring in the heretofore non-voting disaffected.
Just because Hilarity does not have the Millenials does not mean anything you have to offer attracts them.
DNF (755a85) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:44 pm#2 DNF,
I love how you just told us that we have to build bridges right before you called us “sh*theads.” (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:44 pmAll 4 states tonight will have proportional delegate allotments, unless a candidate crosses the 50% threshold in a given state, in which case that candidate takes all the delegates.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:45 pm@6. Tally the vote. How many overall have voted for Trump vs. the runners up.
For example, 2.9 million people live in all of the state of Kansas. Yet 2.6 million live in Brooklyn, New York.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:47 pm@4. Marco is a perpetual #3… and never shows up for the Federal job he already has. Why should voters reward poor job performance with a gig that has more responsibility?
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 2:51 pmCruz/West
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:01 pmno booshy type establishment v.p.
Make book. Tickets will be:
Trump/Kasich vs. Clinton/Castro.
Trump wins by 2.6% pop. vote.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:04 pmMy bad. KS is strictly a proportional state. Looks like Ted has a 17-6 lead over Trump, with 27 yet to be allotted.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:10 pmUgh. Typo. 17 yet to be allotted.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:10 pmMaybe this is the political end of Trump in terms of his 1237 delegates or it isn’t.
But when, trump bois, did I sign on to become a Bolshevik if Trump gets gets the most votes?
Because that’s what you’re demanding, Trumpsters, and you don’t even know it.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:14 pmWhen I saw the photo of everyone raising their hands to pledge their votes, I immediately flashed to: Tomorrow Belongs to Me!
(Watch the whole thing if you haven’t seen it before — one of the best scenes ever shot IMHO, 3:12 well invested.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:15 pm“If you’re reporting this as anything other than a huge night for Cruz and a terrible one for Trump, you’re doing it wrong.” – Nate Silver
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:17 pmThe sun don’t shine
“Bridge of
SighsSh*t” Robin GlowerThe Cruz don’t whine
The Trump don’t move the tides
Please wash me clean
Yuge and unforgiving, and throwing fits
Be a long time building teh Bridge of Sh*t
Hot air blows
Colonel Haiku (839e95) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:18 pmTeh Trump looks down in anger,
On this poor child
Hot air blows
And Trump looks down in anger,
On this poor child
Yuge and unforgiving and throwing fits
Be a long time building this Bridge of Sh*t
I feel like the old man sitting at the table.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:22 pmIsn’t he great? He gets maybe 3 seconds of face-time but steals the scene!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:23 pmWhatever the outcomes in LA and KY, the case has been made that Cruz is the true GOP voter choice. Trump would have lost SC were it a closed primary. Arkansas, too.
Jack Shafer is tweeting about the I-35 corridor being a true key for the nomination. Others are seeing the beginnings of an anti-Trump firewall there. I-35 goes into MO.
Fingers crossed.
Friggin’ Rubio, even if he miraculously dropped out now, is giving FL to Trump. Too late for his voters to go to Cruz. As happy as I am with Cruz’ astonishing strength in KS and ME, I am scared to death that DT will still manage the FL/OH daily double.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:24 pmDon’t be stupid, be a smarty
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:25 pmCome and join the toupee party
Beldar – ouch!
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:28 pmNo matter where we stand regarding the various candidates, can we at least agree that today’s results prove once and for all that polling has very limited predictive value regarding outcome, at least of caucuses states?
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:29 pmUPDATE x2:
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:35 pmKentucky and Louisiana should tell us whether this is a regional thing, or whether the game is changing.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:37 pmTrump seems to have overplayed his “hand” and has had his ass “handed” to him. Meanwhile I am beginning to rethink this Trump nomination.:a scary proposition. But can Cruz win the support of the voters Trump has been able to bring out? What will he do to maintain the enthusiasm, the charisma of the Donald? No one can deny that the Donald has brought some new life into the GOP race. If he fails what does it mean for the GOP?
The Emperor (aef58d) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:41 pmI just awoke from a short nap. I had a dream in it:
I don’t know if it’s a reliable dream or not.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:42 pmnk, you’re obviously a Mel Brooks fan. I’m completely unsurprised!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:44 pmI read that Louisiana is an open primary and the expectation is Trump will do well because many Democrats plan to cross-over and vote for him.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/5/2016 @ 3:53 pmGimme a “T! …”T”! gimme an “R”! … “R”! gimme a “U”!… “U”!
Gimme an “M”! …”M”! Gimme a “P”! …”P”!
WHAT’S THAT SPELL? …”TRUMP!”
WHAT’S THAT SPELL? …”TRUMP!”
WHAT’S THAT SPELL? …”TRUMP!”
WHAT’S THAT SPELL? …”TRUMP!”
WHAT’S THAT SPELL? …”TRUMP!”
Well come on all you votin’ men, Donald Trump needs your help again,
he got himself in a terrible spot, number one in the presidential slot,
hold down your lunch, cuz I gotta hunch, it’s gonna go down to the crunch.
CHORUS
and its 1,2,3 who are we votin’ for?
You ask me I’m votin’ for Cruz, cuz Trump is such a cooze
and its 5,6,7 open up the votin’ polls. Well this aint no time to scratch yer head…WHOPEE Trump’s campaign’s dead
now come on Rubio don’t be slow, why man it’s time for you to go,
And get out Kasich, ‘fore it’s too late and our disdain turns into hate
just hope and pray that when ya get home, it ain’t been sacked like Rome
CHORUS
now come on federals let’s move fast, chance to take down Clinton’s here at last.
Colonel Haiku (839e95) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:02 pmTime to wake up, Bernie’s red, and the only good commie is one thats dead,
you know the score, the stakes are yuge, we can’t be led by a stooge
Liberté, égalité, Aqua-Nét!
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:03 pmRubio had endorsements from current Kansas Gov. Sam Brownbeck, Sen. Pat Roberts, and former senator, majority leader, and GOP presidential nominee Bob Dole.
That’s pretty capital-E Establishment. But it did not help, and might have hurt, I’m guessing.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:07 pm@DRJ
The Emperor (aef58d) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:08 pmIs that a good thing or a bad thing? Does the GOP want a candidate that only the Republicans like or one that attracts independents and Democrats?
Cruz moving staffers to FL could be preliminary to what’s called, in the mergers & acquisitions field, as a bear hug.
I’m here, I love you, now join me — or I’ll crush you.
Cruz hasn’t been talking about Rubio very much at all, except to call him to step aside. I’m guessing there are carrots being dangled, but behind the scenes.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:09 pmyou must understand destroying Trump is not building up Cruz.
It is not like Trump is this reasonable guy we disagree with that we then set out to destroy. THat would be Jeb or Kasich or Christie. No, Trump is the guy who wanted to be president who didn’t know the first thing about being president. King Ralph was WAY THE F MORE QUALIFIED that Donald Trump. And yet he was winning the Sampson-in-the-temple F-U-All vote. It is more important that Trump lose than we win. I hope we win, but #NEVERTRUMP
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:11 pmChimperor – are you stupid or that naive?
Cruz got 51% in Kansas? Has The Donald got over 50% anywhere?
An actual majority has emerged, ropelight. Why do you continue to deny the will of the people and stand athwart democracy in action to indulge your temper tantrum and support of a Dem?
JD (e4a094) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:13 pmWill Cruz offer Rubio the cash for clunker czarship?
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:15 pmYour only hope is to bring in the heretofore non-voting disaffected.
If Cruz is not far enough outside the GOPe for you then there is no hope. And I am certain before the day is out someone will say that there is no difference between Cruz and Jeb!, or Crux and Hillary.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:15 pmJD, who is chimperor?
The Emperor (aef58d) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:16 pm@ Arizona CJ, re your earlier comment on polling, Nate Silver wrote earlier this evening:
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:19 pmLovie/Chimperor/emperor
JD (e4a094) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:19 pmJD, who is chimperor?
A DU troll who comes around here every election season. Would you know him, Love2008?
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:19 pmCruz/Fiorina
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:22 pmDamn. Kasich met the 10% threshold in KS. He is eligible to take a delegate or two.
Beldar – If you are not careful with your dreams, I am going to report you to the Coca-Cola company!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:29 pmEd Koch used to do that.
Sammy Finkelman (936567) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:32 pmYay! Decision Desk calls Maine for TED!
Proportional allocation unless Ted gets 50%. 10% threshold to take any delegates at all.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:33 pmKevin M, I would adore seeing CF debate HRC. Real debate.
Notice also—again—the problem of multiple candidates. Combine Cruz and Rubio’s percentages. I don’t really believe that many Cruzers or Rubionauts would don the Great Orange Toupee.
I like the >50% rules. I worry quite a bit when folks win with <50%.
Simon Jester (5d10b2) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:33 pmApparently there was record turn out in Kansas, and it was Cruz who won convincingly,
and I guess it was an event limited to actual R’s.
I do think whoever the non-Dem is in the race (if it is a 2 major candidate race), at least a good number of trump supporters would be very helpful,
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:36 pmbut it is clear that the record turnout is not all Trump.
MD, I think that the Bragging Lying Orange Toupee does bring out the vote. But not the way he means it.
Have you noticed that making the poseur actually answer questions about his positions, past and present, doesn’t increase his support?
This is all about hating establishment Republicans. Sooner or later, these angry folk will realize that BLOTs do not share their values. Period.
Simon Jester (5d10b2) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:40 pmIn the past there had been talk of the gov of NM, Susana Martinez, as a VP candidate,
anybody have any thoughts?
Oh, Trump had those endorsements (disappointed with Brownback),
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:41 pmbut Sasse made the “Not Trump” statement,
I guess he was elected just 2 years ago and I imagine is still popular.
This is all about hating establishment Republicans. …
Simon Jester (5d10b2) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:40 pm
That is what is typically said, but maybe it is more an anger about the political class in general, hence open primaries you get people who are not Repubs also showing up to vote for Trump,
that may not be so much Dems causing chaos among the Repubs, but non-aligned identifying with someone who gives voice to their anger.
Yes, the more Trump can be made to talk actually about issues, especially face to face with Cruz, the gleam will no longer be so bright.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:46 pmAnti D.C. ticket Cruz/West
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 4:51 pmWhen the R.N.C. did not fund his re-election, it was traitorous.
well it’s good you’ve taken medication with this,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-do-we-know-america-is-anxious-about-a-president-trump-shrinks-and-massage-therapists/2016/03/03/e5b55a22-e0bb-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
by the way, when john oliver is sliming cruz in a few weeks, you’ll put down the pom poms for the git,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:04 pm“If it’s about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I’d go through hell with a gasoline can”.
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:04 pmCol. West
In the past there had been talk of the gov of NM, Susana Martinez, as a VP candidate,
I would prefer a better-known quantity as the VP candidate. I’d also prefer someone who has attempted a national campaign (such as one of the also-rans). While you want someone who has connections where the nominee doesn’t, you also want someone who can hit the ground running. A lot of the time you get someone that has to be introduced, vetted by the public and has to go through a national campaign learning curve. Obama picking Biden when McCain did not pick Romney may have made all the difference in 2008.
I’d rather that Cruz picks someone from the pack that ran. There’s enough to choose from, and at least 3 strong choices if you count Walker.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:23 pmThen again, Sarah might have been all that kept McCain afloat.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:25 pmKevin, what part of Maverick, dropping the ball in the 9th inning do you miss, and being a silent partner to Schmidt and Wallace’s attack on Palin,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:26 pm@ MD [in] Philly (#48): I don’t know very much about Gov. Martinez. New Mexico’s GOP is a pretty weird organism — a big tent with exotic inhabitants. But in the couple or three times I’ve seen videos of her speaking, she didn’t strike me as particularly charismatic or innovative. NM isn’t much of an electoral college prize, but it’s reasonable to presume she could bring it, and she might help the GOP ticket in a few additional states (Florida? Arizona? Colorado?). But I think she’s likely an extreme long-shot, at least for this cycle.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:29 pm@ Kevin M: The Palin Veep pick was — as I readily acknowledged at the time, as one of her most vocal supporters — a long Hail Mary pass for a campaign that was otherwise busy fumbling in its own end zone. The pass had the distance, but got deflected off course.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:31 pmAlready evidence of Ohio Democrats crossing over to vote for Trump.
It is infuriating watching Fox experts who refuse to pound on the point, or even acknowledge it at all, that closed primaries are the true reflection of GOP will – and that Cruz is very, very strong in these.
Yes, the bottom line is that Trump looks very likely to win the FL/OH delegates. No argument from me on that. But, the real story the past week is the strength of Cruz in “pure” GOP contests.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:33 pmTonight’s results might depress Rubio’s chances in Puerto Rico tomorrow, which gets to select a few GOP delegates but can’t vote in the general election.
He may have missed his window of opportunity for the Veep slot on a Cruz/Rubio “Stop Trump unity ticket” deal, but if he hasn’t, it’s closing rapidly.
It’s becoming increasingly clear to all but Trump’s fans and the mainstream media that this is a two-candidate GOP primary regardless of what Rubio or Kasich choose to do.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:34 pmexpecting depth from fox analysts, a losing proposition, you might a marginally better chance with fox business,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:36 pmKevin, what part of Maverick, dropping the ball in the 9th inning do you miss, and being a silent partner to Schmidt and Wallace’s attack on Palin,
None. I’ve said for years that Romney (the other available candidate) would have wiped the floor with Obama, especially after W fumbled the markets. McCain knew nothing of economics (Obama knew more, but all wrong), but Romney was sent from Central Casting.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:38 pmCruz didn’t campaign in KY, so the fact that he’s even at 30% and in second place at this point (28% reporting) should be viewed as another bit of evidence of a possible shift in this race.
Sean (221079) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:40 pm@ Sean: I agree. And the livebloggers at fivethirtyeight.com are pointing out that the numbers from KY may be skewed in Trump’s favor right now because they have most of the returns from rural coal country counties, but much less from the more urban areas, which they think are more likely to favor Cruz. We’ll see.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:43 pmThanks for comments
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:44 pmI heard Martinez once,
she talked about how she grew up a democrat, and as she learned more and more what democrats stood for, and what republicans stood for, she realized that she was actually a republican
I thought it was an effective talk.
It was so bad in 2008, that Paul Volker signed up to help the President-elect. (And of course Obama ignored him until he went away).
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:44 pmyet he didn’t do so in 2012, when it was more feasible, of course, the florida establishment in the form of charlie cheetah, which I’ve done my penance for voting, was the ones who cut off romney at the knees,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:45 pmKY is interesting in that the two big cities haven’t reported yet.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:45 pmIt’s obvious that people living in Kentucky are more receptive to a presidential candidate discussing the size of his own penis than people living in Kansas.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:47 pmSo Trump’s having another “news conference” tonight. Last time, despite losing TX & OK (and later in the evening, MN & AK), Trump could still pretend that everything was inevitable. I wonder if he will be so happy to take questions tonight as he was then?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:49 pmin actual bits of random journalism
http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-the-unemployment-rate-shows-1457106385
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:49 pmThe absolute terror of late 2008, when it wasn’t clear whether we were facing another Great Depression or not, was a time when someone like Romney would have been widely welcomed. By 2012, we were back to talking about dogs on car tops.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 5:50 pmMaine goes to Cruz. What a really good night he’s had.
Dana (86e864) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:03 pmSpokes-
zombieperson for the Rubio campaign a few minutes ago on Fox News:That was delivered with the proverbial thousand-yard stare.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:03 pmPatterico, did you finally install that anti-Trumpist filter? Or are they just being really, really quiet tonight?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:04 pmI’m starting to feel really sorry for Rubio. He really believed things would look better after Super Tuesday…
Dana (86e864) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:05 pmIt would have been sweet if Cruz’ margin in KS had stayed above 50%, but alas, it was not to be.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:08 pmI have this picture of Cruz looking at his voicemail with 12 messages from Rubio stacked up this evening.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:09 pmback on the ranch,
http://observer.com/2016/03/ny-times-report-debunks-severity-of-emailgate-with-classic-clintonian-wordsmithing/
he seems to be employing guiliani’s 2008 team,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:15 pmIt was said that Cruz tonight had more votes in Kansas than all of the candidates combined in 12.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:15 pm@ Dana (#75): Surely by yesterday, the Rubio campaign — and all the others — had done extensive follow-up polling in FL to factor in the results of the SEC/Super Tuesday races. My hunch is that he already knew before these disastrous results tonight that his odds in FL remain extremely long.
If he bails out now — well before FL — and backs Cruz (whether with or without Veep assurances or winks or a pre-announced ticket), then that might set Cruz up to be truly competitive in FL. Between what Cruz could hope to pick up from former Carson & Rubio supporters, Cruz could very well give Trump a good run for his money in FL, despite Trump’s natural advantages there. (He has businesses there, he’s had an even higher media profile there than elsewhere, and the state is, umm, rather tolerant of vulgarity — no offense meant, but it just is, the same is also true of Texas.)
Neither Rubio nor Kasich has a path to beat Trump. This has been obvious since Cruz’ wins in TX, OK & AK last Tuesday, but it seems to finally be sinking in with the voters. Kasich & Rubio just need to catch up, mentally, with where the anti-Trump GOP is going — toward Ted Cruz.
Friends and neighbors, if and when the anti-Trump voters in the remaining GOP primaries finally rally behind Cruz, the rest of this primary season could turn on a dime and head in Cruz’ direction. That has been suggested by head-on-head polling for some time now, but now it’s the ineluctable message from the kind of margins and voter turnout Cruz has achieved in the states he’s won this week.
Note well: I’m not saying that the GOP establishment figures will fall in meekly behind Cruz. Some won’t. But you watch: We’ll get a couple more who move that way in the next day or two.
The esteemed Prof. Reynolds has been predicting a preference cascade among the GOP establishment figures toward Trump. It hasn’t happened yet, and I’m not predicting a very sharp cascade toward Cruz.
But for a lot of folks who thought, throughout 2015, that both Ted Cruz and Donald Trump were inconceivable — and yes, that word does mean what I think it does! — they’re now finding Ted Cruz to be considerably more conceivable when push comes to shove in a two-man race.
Trump is eminently beatable.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:20 pmI believe that is the first time in my life I’ve ever used the word ineluctable.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:22 pmCould it be that Trump’s penis is sooooo huge, it has made him too big for his britches?
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:23 pmhe had the entire establishment slate on his side, as has been pointed upthread,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:25 pmso cruz gets kansas and maine, and trump gets louisiana and kentucky, a tie, but the establishment is cut out of the picture, if we need to go highlander, this is where it needs to be,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:29 pmKasitch still talks like he is an important candidate, that after Michigan and Ohio he will pick up steam…
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:32 pmIs he thinking that if he is the last e candidate remaining at a split convention he will get the node? Is he looking to broker a seal for VP or something?
I do not have a good feel for him, he seems too “nice” (not good) and does the old work across the aisle nonsense- as if he he is channeling McCain, and doesn’t “get it”
no “t”, no “e”, sorry
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:32 pmThe Louisiana victory for Trump is expected and was called on early voting. Remains to be seen whether the margin narrows.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:33 pmI don’t know who’s program he’s reading, but he was in the establishment venn diagram,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:34 pmIf the “establishment” is so powerful at pulling the puppet strings, then why are they “allowing” (LOL) Donald Trump to win?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:34 pmCincinnati’s airport is in Kentucky, that’s how come come Kasich is above single digits. So far.
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:39 pmMeanwhile, it appears that Bernard Sanders has won in Nebraska, proving his enduring appeal to smaller states where the Democrat party is dominated by white liberals.
JVW (9e3c77) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:42 pmBorder towns really skew the demographics. Like Laredo.
(Just channeling a Trump supporter.)
nk (dbc370) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:43 pmOther than a potential miraculous KY comeback, the thing that bears watching is the LA threshold for Rubio. He must win 20% to get any delegates there. He’s at 17 now.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:44 pmTrump’s lead in KY is narrowing as more urban counties check in. Still waiting on Louisville and Lexington
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:48 pmWow. I just heard Cruz speaking live from Idaho. As part of a Q&A with a local reporter (I think), I just heard him deliver, off the cuff and without notes or teleprompter, the single best riff on why and how the Department of Energy should be abolished that I’ve ever heard any candidate attempt. And it was dead solid perfect, a little Swiss watch of an answer that he rattled off with absolute confidence and aplomb:
That was a really good question, by the way, well phrased and clear.
I would bet you dollars to donuts that Ted Cruz has a mnemonic to help him with that, so he’ll avoid any Rick Perry moments.
Man, that’s such a sweet condensation of free-market capitalism, small-L libertarianism, and limited government constitutional conservatism that it just makes me want to sing. He customized the pitch for the local Idaho audience on a very vivid subject, then placed that in a logical structure which can then lead the listener to think, “Well, gee, so that’s probably how he’d also shut down Housing & Urban Development,” or whatever other agency is under discussion.
This is a firehose of substance. There was more substance in that one short burst, that one answer, than Donald Trump delivers in any ten of his three-hour ramblings put together.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:48 pmFriggin Kasich cost Ted KY. Those Ohio River counties are gonna prove to have been the difference.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:51 pmKicking rear end? In order to kick rear end, wouldn’t it be required to actually get more delegates? Or at least more states?
As it stands now, it’s a tie re: states, but when it comes to delegates, things aren’t even that good for Cruz, who only picked up 18 more delegates than Trump in the two states he carried. The two states Trump has won (but strangely have not allocated their delegates yet) have what, 92 delegates at stake? So explain how losing is “kicking rear end”?
prowlerguy (3af7ff) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:58 pmNo one is calling KY until Jefferson and/or Fayette County comes in (the big boxes on Decision Desk).
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:59 pmKY beginning to narrow.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:00 pmIt’s not like Trump has some giant delegate lead. Cruz + Rubio > Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:00 pmit seems like the caucus goers were smarter then mitt, who pushed for a parlee, instead of supporting cruz,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:02 pmSuper interesting note from Nate Silver on LA – “The very earliest returns in Louisiana, which were substantially composed of votes cast before election day, showed Trump at 48 percent, Cruz at 23 percent, and Rubio at 20 percent. Now? It’s Trump 43, Cruz 34 and Rubio 14, according to the Louisiana Secretary of State. The differences suggest a major gap between early votes and election-day returns, with Cruz surging in the past couple of days at the expense of both Trump and Rubio.”
Yooge move to Cruz since the debate across the USA. Here’s to this movement being ineluctable!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:04 pmwell what difference does it make,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/260212-cpac-focuses-on-defeating-trump-instead-of-hillary/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:06 pm#96 Ed from SFV,
You think Kasich is a “liberal,” and you think Rubio is a “liberal.”
Yet you want to assign Kasich’s voters to CRUZ, had Kasich dropped out.
That’s an algebra fail.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:06 pmLooks to me like Cruz has finally got his two-man race with Trump. He got at least a two out of four states today, with resounding wins. Rubio managed a distant 3rd, and looks like he’s taking 4th in at least one.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:06 pmEd,
And this is a prime reason I do not like early voting. I’m not real fond of absentee either — there’s enough fraud involved with the elderly alone that it’s a bad idea.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:09 pmCruz Supporter – The Kasich support is manifestly not about ideology. It’s simply familiarity. Those counties are more conservative than to have a combined “moderate” vote of 55+%. Cruz should have built a firewall up there, and did not.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:09 pmhe’s certainly moderate then cruz, the medicaid boondoggle, and his shaming defense is proof of this, policy over mere suggestions,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:11 pmPreach on, brother Kevin! Early votes, excepting for the traditional absentee purposes, and allowing crossover voters in partisan contests, ’tis folly.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:11 pmAll the people getting excited about Cruz, which swing states is he going to take in the general election? Which ones do you think Rubio (or even Kasich) would take? What is a realistic path to 270 for Cruz?
SAZMD (f107a7) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:14 pmCruz making a huge surge in Louisiana with NON-early voters. Suggesting the race has changed.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:15 pmKasich is a man who criticizes principle. When two people are debating a matter of principle, he’s the guy who comes along and says “Can’t we just agree not to bicker?” For him, it’s “whatever works” and to heck with what comes next or slippery slopes.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:16 pm@ SAZMD: You won’t find this persuasive, but my belief is that Cruz, in a general election against Hillary, would do about as well electorally as Reagan in 1980 against Carter, but probably not as well as Reagan did in 1984 against Mondale. I don’t think it would be close, and I don’t think the term “swing state” would be particularly relevant.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:17 pmHillary would be a McGovern and Cruz a respected, but not “liked” Nixon. The country is fed up with BHO, and HRC will have to bear that weight, as well.
Am electoral landslide is right there for the taking.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:20 pmLooking at at LA with 51% in, someone might have to eat that call for Trump. 2.5% spread.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:20 pmEd from SFV,
Come onnnn.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:23 pmThe familiarity among suburban Cincy voters living in KY is with Kasich—not Cruz or Rubio. (LOL)
So, you can’t honestly assert that you believe Kasich’s voters would go to Cruz over Rubio.
But based on your past allegations that Kasich and Rubio are each borderline RINOs, you should naturally believe that Kasich’s voters would find a more natural home in the Rubio camp than the Cruz camp.
@116- Trump won Louisville w/70% of vote in.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:23 pmI wonder if Trump will regret delaying his press conference? Things are darkening for him in LA and KY.
Nate Silver just now:
Wow.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:23 pmSilver is now calling for the news outlets to rescind their early call for Trump in LA! Wow.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:23 pmCruz Supporter – You are obviously missing the wave for Ted which has developed. Rubio supporters are abandoning ship. If this had been last Tuesday, I’d be inclined to agree with your assertion.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:26 pmEd–
It is hard enough for a party to follow a successful multi-term president. Since WWI, it has happened 3 times (following Coolidge, FDR, and Reagan). And each of the successors was limited to one term. It is, um, inconceivable, that a colossal failure would be followed by the same party. Change is the default condition and the ducks really have to line up to thwart that.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:28 pmI think landslide talk is crazy optimistic. Cruz is nowhere near as likable as Reagan and the electorate is nowhere near the same as 1980-1984. NOVA makes VA hard for Cruz to win that state. Maybe he gets Ohio with the right VP pick, but I don’t see him getting CO. I want to believe, really, but I just don’t. The Media with Otherize him, and frankly, he makes it too easy.
SAZMD (f107a7) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:28 pmGrrr. Decision Desk calls KY for Trump, and LA not looking great.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:28 pmTrump takes Louisville and Jefferson County, narrowly, but it;s enough for him to take KY.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:30 pmSAZMD – Just look at the turnouts GOP v. DEM thus far. This is a broken glass election for the GOP. Dems who have any sense of shame whatsoever would hold their noses at the polling place, if they go vote at all.
Now…if Trump gets the GOP nom, that changes drastically.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:32 pmso it’s a tie, and rubio gets a copy of the home game, and a case of ricearoni,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:33 pmEd from SFV,
Again, you say Kasich and Rubio are both “liberals.”
Okay, fine. Yet at the same time, you want to assert that the second choice for Kasich’s voters is Cruz rather than Rubio.
Silly.
The “second choice” for Kasich’s voters would more likely be with Rubio than Cruz.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:34 pmCruz on track to be the delegate winner today.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:35 pmMore proof that Trump is a Democrat — long counts trend in his favor.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:35 pmdepends if they are voting strategically or tactically, the latter would be for cruz,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:36 pm@ SAZMD: The media have been trying to Otherize Ted Cruz since 2012. His current results show that he’s already penetrated through that.
I’m curious how old you were in 1980, SAZMD. Reagan is remembered now as being very likeable. But before he took that bullet from Hinckley, he was far from beloved, and before he was inaugurated, a very large portion of the country still found him incredibly frightening and off-putting. Whether he was much better liked than Carter on Election Day is far from clear, but people were surely sick of Carter.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:36 pmThat latest 10% counted in LA went for Trump. But, it appears that Rubio can’t possibly get to the 20% threshold now!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:36 pmwell, a couple of caucus states. That is something. Like Roobs only win.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/04/ted-cruz-a-brokered-convention-would-lead-to-a-revolt/
No sh!t?
DNF (755a85) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:36 pmnarciso, you just made me hear streetcar bells. 😉
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:37 pmCruz Supporter – You keep talking about “natural” camps. The dynamic on the ground has lurched violently against Rubio since the latest debate. Kasich’s border familiarity is what got ti done for DT.
Look at the KY governor’s race just a few months ago. The KY GOP is clearly about a change to limited government.
You and I both want the same result. Let’s call a truce on this point and be thrilled about the shift we are witnessing.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:40 pmthe smart move would have been cotten, sasse, (who worked with cruz at justice) and company to endorse cruz, ‘do they listen to zathras’ no, and hence President Clark,*
(babylon 5 references)
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:45 pm@Beldar (big fan BTW),
I am the same age as Cruz and Rubio. Again, the electorate is not the same as 1980, otherwise Romney would have won in 2012, right? That has to matter. We’re a much more polarized country. Cruz’s current results are with Republicans, so I’m not sure your comment fully applies. He has no real crossover appeal with Dems and I think he is easy for the Media to make toxic to a number of Independents. Again, I hope I’m wrong – I want to be wrong. I just want a win. SCOTUS depends on it.
SAZMD (f107a7) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:45 pm@ SAZMD: Thanks for the kind words. I don’t think the changes in the electorate had much to do with why Romney lost in 2012.
Romney was fluent in English and French but spoke conservative as a second language. He was in an election that was all about swing states. He was never, could never have been, the kind of candidate to deliver a mandate election. Ditto John McCain in 2008.
I’m not saying you’re wrong about the electorate changing, but the next-closest-thing to a mandate election that we’ve had since Reagan was Dubya in 2004, which was a national security election still greatly influenced by 9/11. The electorate hasn’t changed in ways that make close elections inevitable.
But I freely concede that I’m wearing rose-colored glasses here. That doesn’t mean I’m seeing things that are impossible.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:51 pmYour lips to God’s ears, Donald! You want Ted, you GOT HIM!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:55 pmLooks like CNN and AP are affirming that Cruz won the delegate count today.
Tha LA numbers show that Cruz clipped off about 5% each from Trump and from Rubio. In three days. Amazing.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 7:58 pmAs I understand it, turnout of those you can get is more important than getting a lot of cross over, and the Republican turnouts have been far superior.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:02 pmI think Cruz comes across pretty well when you really listen to him. Firm common sense with conviction, able to explain even to hecklers.
Si Dios quire.
We’ll see whether the American people have the good sense to reject an old, white Marxist who couldn’t hold a steady job/get a steady paycheck until the age of 40 – and even that came from the government – and/or a criminal who has displayed utter disregard for our laws and our national security. That’s really all the democrats have to offer and – although it’s laughable – it’s also a very sad state of affairs.
Colonel Haiku (9fe1a9) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:05 pmThere Trump goes talking about Lion Ted again…
Colonel Haiku (9fe1a9) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:06 pmthe expression is ojala, yes it comes from the same root as inshallah, as spain was under their influence for seven centuries,
ot, the socialists at last count, still couldn’t form a coalition to get back in power in madrid,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:11 pmOjala…
Never heard that among Ticos o Puertoricanos
If that is what you meant
Fwiw, Cruz won handily where he won, and was close where he didn’t, and I don’t know how much presence he had in various places
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:18 pmit means the same thing ‘god willing’ but more emphatically,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:25 pmTed did well. He really needs Rubio and Kasich gone big time.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:26 pmEntonces…
Colonel Haiku (9fe1a9) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:34 pmBut yes, there is a passivity, fate that one must accept rather than a sovereign purpose to embrace, “fatalismo”, that is more Muslim than Christian in the background of Spanish Christianity, especially Catholicism, as I understand why and have seen it
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:37 pmUnlike a “Protestant work ethic” where it is assumed that industrious behavior will accomplish something.
well I’m discussion diction, not philosophy, the four centuries of rebellion against the moors, suggest that isn’t always paramount, it had it’s bad points, the inquisition and expulsion of the jews, but also the conquest of the new world, wouldn’t have happened without that impulse,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:40 pmEntonces y mira, those could be half of one’s vocabulary…
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:40 pmBuenos noches
Gute nacht
So…Columbus was Reformed???
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:41 pmIt appears that Cruz beat Trump in LA with voters who voted today.
A yooge problem…maybe 25% of FL votes are already in.
Somehow, some way, DT must not win FL. If he fails, a first-ballot nomination is very, very, unlikely.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:42 pmwell he was Italian, and I said conquest not discovery,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:43 pmVery true, both points
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:45 pmThough conquest was not unknown to others, such as the Vikings
It was a bad night for Rubio. Remarkably, Rubio didn’t do much better than Kasich. Rubio’s debate performance may have hurt Trump, but it looks like it hurt Rubio more. At this point, Rubio’s continued candidacy is a gift to Trump. He needs to go.
ThOR (a52560) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:47 pmThat noise you’re hearing outside isn’t the wind. It’s the Overton Window — within the heads of a whole ton of GOP voters — sliding quite a bit tonight on the topic of “Can we imagine Ted Cruz as the nominee, if the only alternative is Trump?”
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:48 pm#145 Uh yeah, but “Ojala” in Spain is basically “I Hope So” … God willing is “Si Dios Quiere.” You can argue they are one in the same once you peel back the onion but not one spaniard I know uses them interchangeably.
“Ojala” is used in a casual sense much more so than “Si Dios Quiere” which is reserved for more serious circumstances.
If you responded to the question “Will Your Wife Survive the Car Crash” with “Ojala” you are considered a jack ass who may not care for her life. “Si Dios Quiere” translate into a sincere expression.
If you respond to the question “Will that b**** be sucking your johnson tonight” with “Si Dios Quiere” you’d likely get a retort to the effect of WTF does that have to do with anything. Whereas “ojala” would be perfectly appropriate.
And “fatalismo” as discussed above with all due respect is ingrained into the European Psyche (not just Spain) in much the same way. It stems from their UNIVERSAL negativity to fighting any great odds or confronting evil. A pessismism especially borne of the Great Wars and the decline of their Empires.
“Fatalismo” in South America and Latin America is much more a “nothing will change with my station in life” so let me sit here in the nice sun and drink so Coco water, kill a pig and let the day go by without so much “disparando un chicharo.”
This is why many Europeans of the 20th Century fled to the Americas and did very very very well. Because they worked really hard and took risks while the locals did not (kind of like immigrants to the USA before the welfare days)
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:50 pmAll of the Trump talking heads appear to be rallying around the notion that, “Hey, we’ve been winning in multi-candidate races, so of course we’ll continue to win against Cruz head-on-head.”
That spectacularly ignores every trend since South Carolina. It ignores the head-on-head public opinion polling. And it vastly underestimates the degree to which Donald Trump is genuinely detested.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:50 pmGracias for the education, RKS
Are there certain countries that use ojala more than others?
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:56 pmI am not fluent in Spanish, but I have spoken it for 25 years and never learned it
It was a bad night for Rubio. Remarkably, Rubio didn’t do much better than Kasich. Rubio’s debate performance may have hurt Trump, but it looks like it hurt Rubio more. At this point, Rubio’s continued candidacy is a gift to Trump. He needs to go.
And Old Whazzizname is playing the mind game and calling upon Rubio to drop out, knowing full well that this will likely keep him in the race at least through Florida.
Say what you will about him, but That F***in’ Guy knows his mind games and plays them well.
JVW (9e3c77) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:08 pm@ SAZMD (#136), again, with further reflection:
Here’s another factor buttressing my subjective belief that this is a year in which, like in 1980, America is ripe for a mandate election:
Donald Trump is scaring the daylights out of everyone in the country except for his fans. That’s true of essentially all Democrats, most independents, and two-thirds of Republicans. If Cruz beats him fair and square, by winning more delegates in what’s now increasingly recognized (by all but Rubio & Kasich) to be a two-man race, that is going to create a great narrative.
And people who genuinely despise Donald Trump may be grateful to Ted Cruz who never previously found him anything but funny-looking and over-intense. As scenarios to sweep in as a white knight on a charging horse, slaying the Unstoppable Zombie Donald J. Trump is not a bad way to make new friends.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:09 pm#159 “Ojala” is a uniquely Spanish colloquialism. Like “tio” is a way of saying “dude” in Spain even though it translates “uncle.” With that said, most folks who speak spanish understand its use regardless of Country — maybe not in Bolivia since most folks are half stoned there.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:12 pmLatest delegate counts for today’s primaries show Cruz with a total of 66 and Trump with 49. And last I checked there were still 30 delegates to be awarded from Tuesday’s primaries, and Cruz might pick up a decent portion of these.
I have a feeling that Cruz husbanded his funds for this week’s two days of primary voting, and some of his earlier results were affected by this decision. Certainly Cruz’s $18 per vote in New Hampshire was in stark contrast to Bush’s $1200 and Rubio’s $600. And Cruz spent less than half of Trump’s $40 per vote in New Hampshire. The FEC fund raising data for February should be posted in a week or so. The cash flow will the key to Cruz’s campaign over the next two months.
BobStewartatHome (e34c16) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:18 pmTrump has been a dealmaker, 24/7, going back 40 years. He knows how to play a hand. I’m amused by his suggestion that Rubio drop out. Thanks for pointing it out.
ThOR (a52560) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:24 pmI was in high school in San Francisco when Reagan was elected. Despite his being the twice-elected Governor of California, he had no significant following in the city. It was Carter Country, despite those Americans who were being held hostage by the man Carter flacks earlier called “a Gandhi-like figure” — Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Despite the Soviet Union rushing into Afghanistan to support an endangered communist regime, to the deafening silence of the Carter White House (other than keeping the Olympics team out of Moscow). Despite the Kremlin threatening dissidents in Poland and Czechoslovakia. No, in the city still feeling hangover of the Summer of Love and the Free Speech movements, what mattered more was ending the proliferation of nuclear missiles (the so-called “nuclear freeze”), which, we now know in retrospect, was a key to facing down the Soviets.
It was only in retrospect that I realized that Reagan was never even close to being the tyrant everyone around me — including my parents — told me he was. While many lefties and pro-Gorbachev types want to issue credit elsewhere for the joyous faces of those sledgehammering the Berlin Wall into dust, it was something that I never could’ve imagined as a young man. I still remember being in my cap and gown and hearing others joke that we would never have a ten-year reunion because “Reagan’s gonna blow the world up by then.” I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Some people will never forgive Reagan for not causing a nuclear holocaust like they swore he would.
Before all you usual suspects (and new trolls) start saying I’m making the same mistake about Trump, stop swallowing and regurgitating the ninth-grader talking points and check yourself. Trump is the antithesis of Reagan. For Trump to be Reaganesque, he would first have to be many years removed from showbiz (he’s not), a serious, thoughtful student of politics (he’s not), an advocate for small, limited government (he’s not), a twice-elected former governor of a significant and world-class state (he’s not) and won the Republican nomination having fought the moderate establishment of his day on principles and optimism (if he wins, he won’t). In fact, Trump, should he become President (God forbid), will be the MOST unqualified person ever to hold the office. He’s never served in government in any capacity, and he’s never been a military leader credited with victory in war (he’ll be the second draft dodger after Bill Clinton).
That’s the truth, Trump trolls, and you can’t change it. The only thing you can say to attempt refuting it is to say ‘Experience no longer means anything because all the people who failed had experience.’ It’s something that you repeat ad nauseam because it’s all you’ve got, and hope to convince yourself of its truth. Unfortunately for the rest of us, too many of you have turned that trick.
L.N. Smithee (0c5978) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:24 pm@Beldar
Maybe. GOP will definitely unite behind Cruz. I’m skeptical Cruz can win the primary outright, even if Rubio/Kasich drop out (which they won’t). Guess we’ll see!
SAZMD (f107a7) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:25 pm@ SAZMD (#167): Maybe, for tonight, is good. A dozen other candidates certainly have no “maybe” anymore.
@ L.N. Smithee (#166): Thank you for sharing that recollection! Very vivid!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:35 pmBest thing for GOP to do is shut up about Ted and get Kasich and Rubio out. Last thing Ted needs is the GOP supporting him if he wants to win.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:36 pmReagan was loathed by the Left. Even more so today in death for his success.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:37 pmI forgot to mention that when Reagan was shot by Hinckley, an announcement was made over the speakers in every classroom. There were several reports of cheering and wishes he died from his wounds.
L.N. Smithee (0c5978) — 3/5/2016 @ 9:41 pmWhere will the bronze statue of Rubio be built? Finishing third in 12 of 19 primaries the RNC owes him that.
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:19 pmRubio is toast.
Romney/Rubio/2016 and Cleveland will burn.
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:23 pmRomney is the no.1 horses behind, shut up and change your magic underwear.
Romney/Gruber/2016
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:24 pmHow is your heart?
well I have friends in that neighborhood, some of whom are not great kasich fans, now philadelphia that’s a powderkeg, sans fuse,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:27 pmSo, Cruz won more delegates than Trump tonight.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results
Any thoughts?
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:44 pmIf Trump is frustrated tonight, I wonder whether he’ll kick his dog or summon Chris Christie to kick instead? I’m betting Christie.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:50 pmCongratulations Senator Cruz. An excellent night and the voters spoke loud and clear.
Time for the one on one battle for the mantle of Republican leadership.
Everyone else, leave the deck.
njrob (b00cf4) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:55 pmRomney/Rubio/2016 and Cleveland will burn.
Romney is the no.1 horses behind, shut up and change your magic underwear.
mg (31009b) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:23 pm
That was totally uncalled for and beneath you, mg.
Colonel Haiku (676dac) — 3/5/2016 @ 10:56 pmAgain, the electorate is not the same as 1980, otherwise Romney would have won in 2012, right?
More to the point, the media is not the same as in 1980, when there was at least a semblance of fairness. The rot had not yet set in and people like David Brinkley still had power.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 11:25 pmReagan was loathed by the Left. Even more so today in death for his success.
Yes, but they are mostly ignored every time they say “Iran-Contra” because what people think when they hear “Reagan” is “Won Cold War.” Covers a lot of sins.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 11:27 pmRomney will not be the GOP candidate. He may be an independent candidate if Trump gets the GOP nod. I also expect Bloomberg to run regardless.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 11:31 pmIf Trump is frustrated tonight, I wonder whether he’ll kick his dog or summon Chris Christie to kick instead? I’m betting Christie.
Maybe he’ll take Christie out onto Fifth Avenue and shoot him.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/5/2016 @ 11:32 pmRomney is the biggest mistake team republican has ever made. What a loser this so called man is. Romney has did more harm to conservatives than any republican I can remember. Candy Crowley kicked his azz. A one term marginal govna. And had Gruber write Romney care. Romney is the scum of team republican. Shut up or speak like your fellow mormon-Dingy Harry.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:07 amFricken Romney never tried to beat Obama, he gave up, with his gutless partner in crime traitor ryan. Romney should pack his dog up and head for Alta. Magic is not in the air.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:11 amWhen Prince Rebus sends out mittens to scold the voters, I say team republican has told me to get the eff off their lawn.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:25 amCruz/West
or kiss my azz.
If Romney had the heart and fight of his wife, he would have won.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:27 amJeeeez.
Simon Jester (5d10b2) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:44 amDingy Harry has accomplished what his team wanted. Mittens gave the other team what they wanted. This brow beat man is a lying HACK.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:48 amBy the way- Mittens is the reason some morons are voting for Trump.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:50 amJHC
Look at what Mr. Tancrado thinks of slick mitty. Of course this T.T. has been a favorite of mine for a long time.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:02 amhttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/05/mitt-romneys-gift-to-hillary-must-be-condemned/
Tancredo.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:03 amhttp://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/dynasty_2016_episode_2romney_v_trump_.html
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:11 amlmao
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:29 amhttp://mix1041.cbslocal.com/2016/03/04/turns-out-donald-trump-is-your-drunk-neighbor-video/
If Romney was conservative he would have had the guts to back Cruz.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:50 amRomney and intestinal fortitude for conservatism will never be on display.
I don’t see dropouts coming, Kasich is moving in MI. The donors have the say as much as voters on who makes it to convention now.
Expecting nobility from people who have none works exactly nowhere, ‘eh boys?
DNF (755a85) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:11 amhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html
DNF (755a85) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:12 amDNF-
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:58 amMy wife and I just had our Romney care cancelled, I mean Gruber care. 20 years with the same doctors now have to be changed. Plus a 300/month increase. I could be banned so easily talking about this below average 1 term govna.
Trump or Cruz, pretty much either works for me, although a Trump/Cruz ticket would pretty much guarantee a Beltway RINO hunt at the RNC next year. 🙂
Angry Webmaster (c2a001) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:00 amI’ve been AWOL and haven’t read the comment string above. However, my congratulations to Ted Cruz and his supporters here, all of them. He did much better than I expected. Rubio tanked, which is exactly what he deserves. Kasich will hang on for Ohio, but it’s down to Trump and Cruz now.
One interesting note is that all of Cruz’s wins have come in caucus states. In any case March 15th should tell the tale. Again, my congratulations to Cruz et al.
ropelight (0efd76) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:09 amFor my part, I’m having a string of epiphanies. Four f***ing years the RNC had to groom a candidate, instead they wasted the time playing with their weenies (if they could find them under their fat bellies), and when it was time to deliver to their base they gave them this chaos.
nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:34 amBecause they actively disdain the base, they wouldn’t permit these hunger games otherwise.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:29 amropelight,
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:46 amWhen did Texas and Oklahoma become caucus states?
By the way, earlier in the thread you missed out on some great debate about who ‘really’ killed JFK. Some people pointed to evidence that it was perpetrated by actress Mary Crosby, who later became famous for another Dallas shooting in 1980 (J.R. Ewing), while someone else speculated that JFK’s assassin was merely a vacationing salesman from Saskatchewan, Canada.
Trump is (now) full of threats to the GOP if they don’t back him. The GOP is on the same level as Trump and sure to cut some deal with Trump to try and take out Cruz. Prayers that the voters open their eyes, and those few with integrity inside the beltway will stand behind Cruz.
Cash Cow DC wants to stay in business. They want anyone that will work with them. Voters need to be very Leary of Trump as he will cut the deals.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:04 amedit 204: leery, not Dennis Leary….. my Surface has a mind if it own.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:09 amAnd there will be hell toupé!
The Gentle Grizzly (f4d71f) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:11 am#206,
At bedtime when I was a child, my Mother used to tell me the story of the Tortoise and the Orange Hair!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:16 amhttp://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-third-party-consequences-220317
here we go. our next 12 year old president.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:42 amRIP Nancy Reagan.
Colonel Haiku (676dac) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:50 amRip nancy Reagan.
narciso (a0e373) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:50 amSomeone wrote (#200): “[A]ll of Cruz’s wins have come in caucus states.”
That person is a deliberate liar, as we all know, and as he again has proven.
Cruz won Texas, which is not a caucus state, by a whopping seventeen percentage points and over 480K votes in a turnout that doubled the previous record.
Cruz also won Oklahoma, which is not a caucus state, by a very healthy 6.1%.
Maine GOP race was technically a caucus, but functioned almost exactly like a primary: voters could arrive when they wanted, vote by secret ballot, and leave, just as at a primary election.
The person who told this lie tells lies almost every time he posts a comment here; I’m sure you’re aware of his name, and his reputation for lying, but you can look up the comment number above if you’d like. Me, I’m no longer engaging that sick liar in any conversation, but I will continue to point out his lies.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:30 am(By my doing so, I don’t mean to discourage others from pointing out his lies as well, as Cruz Supporter had already done at #203.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:32 amSo now, Nancy Reagan has joined her husband and gone to her God.
She was a wonderful lady. She will be missed.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:32 am@ Cruz Supporter (#203): Back in the day, Mary Crosby was pretty hot. I remember her very vividly from “Dallas.” Her recent photos suggest she might have had some bad plastic surgery.
Wait, plastic surgery? That’s the missing link to prove that she did kill JFK!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:42 amI think we need a Cruz-Rubio unity ticket. Cruz would be the principled, thoughtful conservative rock and Rubio would be the charisma and lead the attack on Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:46 amRubio should drop out and endorse Cruz before the Florida primary. Would he do it? He probably wouldn’t if his heart is with the GOPe now.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:49 am#214 Beldar, yeah, Mary was totally hot. Her mother is Bing’s second wife, actress Kathryn Grant (native of Houston, btw) whom you may have seen in the Jimmy Stewart courtroom movie, ‘Anatomy of a Murder.’
I just assume that every lawyer has watched all the old films about lawyers! (LOL)
Mary Crosby’s plastic surgery doesn’t look good—neither does Kathryn’s. But as you mentioned, Mary had to do it in order to conceal her true identify as the suspect on the grassy knoll.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:50 amOf course she was four at the time, unless she time traveled.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:55 amIn the guest star department there was lois chiles, later in the series.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:57 am#211, Beldar, down boy! It wasn’t a deliberate lie, I repeated something I’d heard on TV that was inaccurate.
ropelight (0efd76) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:38 am142. Colonel Haiku (9fe1a9) — 3/5/2016 @ 8:05 pm
That is not true! according to his book “Outsider in the House published in 1996.
After his first foray into politics, he started a company producing educational filmstrips about I think he says, New England history.
He said it was successful.
When he discovered there was nothing about Eugene V Debs, he made one about Eugene V. Debs, the Socialist Party candidate for president in 1912 who was later jailed for opposing (the draft I think) in World War I and pardoned by President Harding.
– and/or a criminal who has displayed utter disregard for our laws and our national security. That’s really all
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:11 amMittens, of all people, taught me something new about Trump today when he mentioned another one of Trump’s business schemes on Fox News Sunday this morning.
In hindsight, I should have guessed that Trump couldn’t leave dollars on the ground, ready to be picked up, that are thrown eagerly by the people who spend tons of money on so-called health-foods and -supplements. Behold, the Trump Network!
Trump supporters may note that other public figures, including politicians like Scott Brown and Dr. Ben Carson, have let their names be associated with some pretty shady health products, and that some of them have taken fees for doing so. That’s a very fair point. But ask: Did any of them buy into the company and change it to their own name?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:18 amI had another very strange dream. In it, I was one of Donald Trump’s classmates on his second day in Miss Sandra’s kindergarten class:
And then I woke up. I’m glad it was just a dream.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:36 am@ Cruz Supporter (#217): I didn’t know the Kathryn Grant connection. I remember her and the character she played in “Anatomy of a Murder,” which I’ve watched at least a half dozen times. It’s a great courtroom movie. But when I wasn’t focused on the law part, I was mostly focused on Lee Remick.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:41 am198. This is me on good behavior.
199. Trump & Cruz have to hook up, or get nothing.
204. No way Trump can be as bad. We are talking John Wayne Gacy bad.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:18 pmWhat is more partisans at this forum may mouth “The GOPe needs to get behind Cruz”, while knowing all along the goal is to coopt or subsume. Hayseeds beware.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:23 pmThey were not alone. A government employee in Harris County TX was fired for expressing a similar sentiment, and her case ended up in the Supreme Court, which found for her. (“It is clearly established that a State may not discharge an employee on a basis that infringes that employee’s constitutionally protected interest in freedom of speech”.)
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:28 pmI have no clue what goes in ME but see no reason KS and MO amount to a seachange. Carson dropped, Roobs hosed hisself, those votes landed with Cruz perhaps sufficient to cover the close in the polls.
By the 16th we’ll know if you narcissists are right and I am wrong.
DNF (755a85) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:30 pm@ DNF: Ted Cruz would tell you, and anyone who knows Ted Cruz would tell you, and anyone who even knows much about Ted Cruz would tell you: He would never join a ticket with Trump. If nominated he would not run; if elected he would not serve.
You are cynical about politicians, I see. So am I, and so are most of us who are supporting Ted Cruz. But we Texans sent him to Washington, D.C., to throw hand grenades and shake things up that badly needed (and still need) shaking up. He effectively painted a big bulls-eye on his own back and made himself into Mitch McConnell’s personal whistleblower. He deliberately did what no ambitious GOP politician could rationally ever do while even remotely contemplating a run for POTUS: He turned himself into himself Enemy Number One among the GOP establishment folk.
No politician serving his ambition could do that, anyway. But a principled man, willing to sacrifice his ambition, could — and did. And then he owned it: He publicly reveled in that exact reputation!
How do Texans feel about him now, after studying what he’s been doing and saying since we sent him to Washington in 2012? Well, the nation got that particularly report card on Tuesday, didn’t we? Ted Cruz turned out more than twice the previous record-setting turnout for a Texas GOP primary (which record had in turn been driven by Ted Cruz). We gave him a seventeen percent margin over the next closest candidate in what was nominally a five-man race.
But the idea of Ted Cruz jumping on board the reeking charnel wagon of the Trump campaign now? Merely for the Vice Presidency — the constitutional office characterized by another Texan who once held it, John Nance Garner, as not being worth a bucket of warm p*ss?
That would be a profound betrayal by Ted Cruz, approximately an order of magnitude greater than George H.W. Walker’s career-ending betrayal when he went back on his “read my lips!” pledge.
Just banish that fantasy to the darker parts of your psyche. Ain’t no way.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:40 pm@ prowlerguy (#97), who asked, about the headline of this Patterico post:
Yes, it’s kicking rear end when — as Cruz did last night — you win more delegates, and you win by large margins in the two states in which you win outright, and you place second by close margins in the two states you lost, and in one of those, you almost make up a spectacular second-place gap among early voters by winning convincingly among election day voters.
Do you also need me to explain bubble gum?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 12:55 pmTrump held a “victory press conference” last night that was a train-wreck. He was uncharacteristically subdued, but he pretended like he was victorious. His evidence: An outlier public opinion poll, the same one that also shows him losing to Hillary.
As for the actual evidence, the delegate count: Trump should ask King Pyrrhus of Epirus how many such victories he can win — without being utterly ruined by them.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:02 pm228.
It’s not Cruz I’m worried about, its the rest of you cocks^ckers.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:37 pmRegarding whether this primary can (and has begun to) turn on a dime, consider this: How long ago was it that we were hearing from the MSM and the punditry and the Trumpists that Ted Cruz’ campaign was fatally wounded by his having to fire his communications director, Rick Tyler? You remember, it was a big scandal that completely dominated the daily news cycle. It was cited as the last bit of proof necessary to establish that Marco Rubio was going to march to the nomination, having recovered from his own robot-night debate gaffe, right?
That was on Monday, February 22, 2016 — just under two weeks ago, right after the South Carolina primary.
So how much did you hear about Rick Tyler’s firing last night? Or last week? Virtually nothing.
Cruz is already inside Trump’s OODA loop. Trump still is operating under the fiction that his “LYEN TED CRUZ” meme is still getting traction. In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny, who shares a NY accent with Trump, and was a probably better speller even though he was, ya know, a small furry rodent (like the one on Trump’s head): What a maroon!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:40 pmRelationships are more important than principles. Failure to learn the basics results in vacuity.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:41 pmBeldar, nice work on the Trump in Miss Sandra’s class. Whenever you write that Civil War novel you alluded to a few weeks ago, I’ll look forward to buying several copies from Amazon.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:43 pmAnd yes, I agree, that Lee Remick sure was a cutie.
@ DNF (#231): I don’t know if I speak for the rest of us cocks^ckers, but I think I can manage without your help. Save your worrying, you’ll get wrinkle lines. And you might want to look into a Dale Carnegie course — a much better value than Trump U.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:46 pmThank you, CS (#234). And yup, Lee Remick is on a short list of my all-time favorite timeless hotties, along with Grace Kelly and Lauren Bacall.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:49 pmYou know, Donnie made Miss Sandra pay for those little green army men, too.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 1:51 pmWhat most Trump supporters don’t get is that my objections to Trump — and I suspect many people’s objections to Trump — are not really based on his policies, but on the man himself. If I agreed 100% with what he professes [today] I still would not support him.
Why?
1) Esthetics. The man is a gross buffoon. Ad a camera and Bermuda shorts and he’s the living caricature of 1 1960’s Ugly American.
2) Intelligence. He may be brighter than you. He’s not brighter than average.
3) Everything he does or says is for getting over, today, on whomever or whatever he needs to con today. Tomorrow is a different day and may require completely different positions. Were he to get the nomination, the speed at which his positions would evolve would be astonishing.
“Wall? Well, that was just a metaphor. We really don’t need an actual wall.”
4) Honesty. Ethics. Trust. You’re joking, right?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:06 pm235. No worries, help is not on the way.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/michelle-malkin-at-cpac-gop-sold-out-movement-conservatives/
‘Conservatives’ who trust the GOP to any extent whatever, are a determined evil.
DNF (755a85) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:06 pmAmericans have never yet knowingly elected an adulterer president. Of Harding’s two affairs, one was unknown until several years after his death, the other until four decades later. FDR’s and JFK’s pilandering were well known to journalists, but they carefully covered it up from everyone else. Clinton denied all the accusations against him until after his reelection, and his voters believed him. Nelson Rockefeller never got anywhere, in part because of his adultery, and I believe it seriously hurt Gingrich four years ago. If Donald Trump were to be elected, it would represent the first time that voters lowered this standard. When push comes to shove, somehow I don’t think they will do that.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:18 pm@ Kevin M (#238): Oh my word, I want that on a bumper sticker right now:
But I won’t. It would probably void my auto insurance coverage, if there’s a policy exclusion for “Deliberately triggered road rage in the person who hit you.” (Which, actually, there almost certainly is, although the language is a bit broader and more generalized.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:19 pmHelp for the constitutionally disenfranchised:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/03/make-psychotherapy-great-again/
DNF (755a85) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:20 pmDNF,
Just yesterday you were lecturing us about building bridges. Since then, you’ve called us ‘sh*theads,’ and ‘c*cks*ckers.’
It’s just a matter of curiosity, but when can we expect Team Trump to begin building bridges toward us?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:21 pmI mean, especially since Trump claims a record of being good at building stuff.
DNF – I doubt any of these lawyers read Malkin? Let alone go and partake in her constitutional endeavors. Such as Gathering of Eagles.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:26 pmThey are more interested in mittens being a swell fella.
The bridge of truth has been blown up by team stupid. Go ahead and vote for their tool, stooges.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:31 pm#238: I am again reminded that spellchecking is not proofreading.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:33 pmIt’s just a matter of curiosity, but when can we expect Team Trump to begin building bridges toward us?
It’s walls he’s building.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:35 pmWhat’s up with Kansas? Results are so far out of the usual range of outcomes as to raise serious questions?
ropelight (0efd76) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:37 pmGuess what; it turns out Trump’s main slogan is all based on a misunderstanding. You see it all started last Chanukah, when Ivanka made latkes, and he didn’t like the too-smooth texture. “That’s a latke?”, he fumed. “That’s not a latke. I’ll show people. When I’m president I’m going to ban blenders and food processors, and make America grate again.”
So invest in knuckle protectors.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:39 pmPuerto Rico gives Rubio second victory.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:39 pmHey mittens, take a bow. He could never have done it without you.
What a disgrace this below average one term govna is. 1-4 in elections was mitty. The establishment leader. Had no sack to go after Ted the killer drunk. Keep loving this Gruber of a human, team republican.
Nothing’s up with Kansas. Why would anything be up with Kansas? They voted, and this was the result. You just don’t like it.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:40 pmBeldar r.e. prowlerguy and whet you need to know.
Sandy Eggo 911 dispatcher: This is 911, what’s your emergency?
citizen: I have a bunch of naval aviators dancing nekkid on my lawn and I’d like to have them removed.
dispatcher: Certainly madame we’ll send a couple or squad cars right out. But if they’re nekkid, how did you know they’re naval aviators?
citizen: Because they have YUUUUUUGE wristwatches and microscopic “Trumps.”
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:52 pmWell Milhouse, I hope you’re right but they seem to have lowered every other standard for Trump so why not adultery and philandering? I mean once they dismiss honesty, culpability and political experience ignoring sexual peccadillos is nothing.
Rev. Hoagie™® (eb7063) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:57 pmropelight joins a long line of leftists, wondering what’s wrong with Kansas. One of his fellow leftists wrote a book about it.
http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Matter-Kansas-Conservatives-America/dp/080507774X
Kansas has been befuddling leftists for years.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 2:58 pmMittens/ traitor Ryan/2012 has evolved into this. I have a match.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:02 pmmg,
It sounds like DNF just suggested you’re a ‘co*ks*cker’ as a result of your support for Cruz, yet you completely brushed it off, and then politely asked him if he’s read Michelle Malkin’s latest comments.
Good job, man.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:03 pm“Idiot, Clown, Or Hero?”: Europe Ponders The Donald”
“We either have a country, or we don’t folks,” he’s particularly fond of saying.
In the first week of his official candidacy, he made America’s porous border with Mexico a key element of the “Trump stump” – if you will – whipping supporters into a frenzy with stories about drug runners and Mexican rapists. His solution: build a wall.
Well it so happens that just a little over two months after Trump made that suggestion, that’s exactly what Hungary’s Viktor Orban did when the daily flow of Mid-East refugees over the Serbian border rose well into the several thousands. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the wall idea seems to work.
Initially that move was seen as cruel and Orban was cast by some as a kind of first European mover in the effort to strip away refugees’ basic human rights in the name of preserving Western Europe’s “Christian heritage.”
Fast forward nine months and the mood has changed. Dramatically. Fears of terrorism, rape, assault, and rampant violence plague everyday life for many Europeans and more European equivalents of Trump’s Mexican border wall have been erected in countries other than Hungary.
In many ways, Trump is the leader many Europeans want, even though most would never say so aloud as it flies in the face of everything the bloc is supposed to stand for and recalls the region’s rather uncomfortable past.
Trump has been called a populist, a nationalist, and at worst, a fascist. All of those movements are once again on the rise in Europe largely as a response to the refugee crisis (just look at PEGIDA, and the Soldiers of Odin). Of course there are still those Europeans who find Trump repugnant – the antithesis of an Angela Merkel.
CBC is out with some interesting commentary on all of the above.
“As hundreds of thousands of asylum-seekers continue to land on Europe’s shores, and as an opposing sentiment rises, for some, Trump’s sturdy wall can’t be built here quickly enough,” Foreign Correspondent Nahlah Ayed writes. “The Republican leadership contender’s tough talk on migration, on Muslims, and on Europe’s approach to both, is giving Trump strange but tangible traction on the non-voting side of the Atlantic.”
“The immigration issue and the position he’s taken on Mexico, you know, it resonates with many on the European continent,” Peter Trubowitz, director of the London School of Economics’ United States Centre told CBC. “They’re worried about immigration, worried about refugees and it’s probably no surprise that Le Pen endorsed Donald Trump.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/idiot-clown-or-hero-europe-ponders-donald
sound awake (04e750) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:06 pmRubio has apparently won big today … in Puerto Rico, which does get to award delegates but cannot vote in the general election. If CNN’s projections hold, no one else will get delegates from P.R.
I suppose it’s the fig leaf Rubio needs for the next few days to avoid looking quite as ridiculous as John Kasich looked on the Snuffleupagus show on ABC this morning.
But Marco Rubio was smart enough to recognize, after the Gang of Eight bill went down, that he needed to execute a smart about-face and walk in a different direction. May he have similar clear vision during, as Sen. Cruz puts it, his prayerful consideration of whether to try to stay in the race.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:07 pmget off your sister c.s.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:15 pmSo, I take it Marco won the “Rubio Gold Medal.” That sliver of hope that allows them to believe that Drumpf isn’t the frontrunner and that Cruz isn’t a close second.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:22 pmsound awake (04e750) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:06 pm
I think sound awake must have seen Pat’s post that Cruz advocated a wall before Trump. And it’s been mentioned various other times here. Why does that not sink in? I imagine he’s typical of a lot of Trumpers.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:23 pmfollowing up with the at link,
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-mitt-romneys-dad-did-the-same-thing-to-goldwater-in-1964/
it was really a light rinse,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:45 pmtrump supporters don’t give a farthing, about aesthetics, how did picking don draper help us,
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/06/limbaugh-on-trump-much-bigger-upside-than-downside/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 3:58 pmsound awake – the link will suffice. Since you admitted you are just trolling anyway, this will be your last warning n
JD (e4a094) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:08 pm“Conrad Black: Don’t underestimate Donald. He will win”
It is with great regret that I take public issue with my colleague John Robson, a columnist and editorial writer for the National Post, in this case over his comments on Donald Trump in this newspaper on Monday. John completely missed the point of the Trump candidacy. Donald Trump polled extensively last year and confirmed his suspicion that between 30 and 40 per cent of American adults, cutting across all ethnic, geographic, and demographic lines, were angry, fearful and ashamed at the ineptitude of their federal government.
Americans, Trump rightly concluded, could not abide a continuation in office of those in both parties who had given them decades of shabby and incompetent government: stagnant family incomes, the worst recession in 80 years, stupid wars that cost scores of thousands of casualties and trillions of dollars and generated a humanitarian disaster, serial foreign policy humiliations, and particularly the absence of a border to prevent the entry of unlimited numbers of unskilled migrants, and trade deals that seemed only to import unemployment with often defective goods. I was one of those who thought at the outset that Trump was giving it a shot, and that if it didn’t fly it would at least be a good brand-building exercise.
Foreigners like Robson should remember that Americans, unlike most nationalities, are not accustomed to their government being incompetent and embarrassing. History could be ransacked without unearthing the slightest precedent or parallel for the rise of America in two long lifetimes (1783-1945) from two and a half million colonists to a place of power and influence and prestige greater than any nation has ever possessed — everywhere victorious and respected, with an atomic monopoly and half the economic product of the world. Forty-five years later, their only rival had collapsed like a souffle without the two Superpowers exchanging a shot between them. International Communism and the Soviet Union disintegrated and America was alone, at the summit of the world.
And then it turned into a nation of idiots, incapable of doing anything except conduct military operations against primitive countries. The objective performance of the latter Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama administrations, and the Gingrich, Reid-Pelosi, and Boehner-led congresses, and most of the courts, have for these 25 years been shameful and as unprecedented in American history as the swift rise of America was in the history of the world. The people turned out rascals and got worse rascals.
Donald Trump’s research revealed that the people wanted someone who was not complicit in these failures and who had built and run something. Washington, Jackson, the Harrisons, Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and others had risen as military heroes, though some of them had had some political exposure. Jefferson and Wilson were known as intellectuals, Madison as chief author of the Constitution, and Monroe and John Quincy Adams as international statesmen. What is called for now is a clean and decisive break from the personalities and techniques of the recent past. Donald Trump doesn’t remind anyone of the presidents just mentioned, but he elicited a surge of public support by a novel, almost Vaudeville, routine as an educated billionaire denouncing the political leadership of the country in Archie Bunker blue-collar terms.
Last (Super) Tuesday, he completed the preliminary takeover of the Republican Party. He demonstrated his hold on the angry, the fearful, and the ashamed by passing the double test: he had held no elective office, but he was a worldly man who knew how to make the system work and rebuild American strength and public contentment. All the other candidates in both parties were vieux jeu, passe. Only a few of the governors (Bush, Christie, and Kasich) had run anything successfully, none of them had built anything, and all were up to their eyeballs in the sleazy American political system — long reduced to a garish and corrupt log-rolling game of spin-artists, lobbyists, and influence-peddlers. Bernie Sanders gets a pass, but he is an undischarged Marxist, and while many of his attacks on the incumbent system and personnel have merit, his policy prescriptions are unacceptable to 90 per cent of Americans.
It was clear on Tuesday night that Trump’s insurrection had recruited the Republican centre and pushed his opponents to the fringes. The conservative intellectuals, including my friends and editors at National Review, as well as Commentary, the Weekly Standard, and some of the think tanks, attacked Trump as inadequately conservative. They are correct — he isn’t particularly conservative, and favours universal medical care, as much as possible in private-sector plans, but a stronger safety net for those who can’t afford health care, and retention of federal assistance to Planned Parenthood except in matters of abortion. Traditional, quasi-Bushian moderate Republican opponents and liberals were reduced to calling him an extremist — claiming he was a racist, a “neo-fascist” said Bob Woodward, America’s greatest mythmaker and (albeit bloodless) Watergate assassin, and a “Caeserist” by the normally sane Ross Douthat in The New York Times. (He was confusing the triumphs of the early Caesars with the debauchery of the later Caligula and Nero and the earlier bread and circuses of the Gracchi, but it is all bunk.)
John Robson took his place in this queue on Monday, claiming Trump was squandering an inherited fortune (he has multiplied it), and concluding that Trump is “a loathsome idiot.” The sleaziest dirty tricks campaigner of modern American history, Ted Cruz, claimed Trump was in league with gangsters.
On Tuesday night, Cruz ran strongly in his home state of Texas but his support is now confined exclusively to Bible-thumping, M16-toting corn-cobbers and woolhats, and he has no traction outside the southwest and perhaps Alaska. The orthodox Republican candidate, Marco Rubio, is now a Chiclet-smiled, motor-mouth loser, having first been exposed as such by Chris Christie (the New Jersey governor who could have won the nomination and election four years ago and is now running for the vice-presidential nomination with Trump). Rubio should bite the dust in Florida next week. On Super Tuesday evening Donald Trump made the turn from rabble-rouser to nominee-presumptive. The only early campaign excess he has to walk back is the nonsense that all the 11 million illegal migrants will be removed, and then many will be readmitted. Of course the selection process must occur before they are evicted, not after.
Even the formidable and adversarial journalist Megyn Kelly acknowledged that he looked and sounded like a president. He spoke fluently and in sentences and without bombast or excessive self-importance. He is placed exactly where he needs to be for the election, after Hillary Clinton finishes her escapade on the left to fend off the unfeasible candidacy of Bernie Sanders. (This is if she is not indicted for her misuse of official emails — Obama is nasty enough to have her charged, and almost all prosecutions of prominent people in the U.S. are political, but she is now all that stands between Donald Trump and the White House, but is almost a paper tigress.) Trump sharply raised the Republican vote totals and the fact that he carried 49 per cent of the Republican voters in Massachusetts, a state with almost no extremists in it, indicates how wide his appeal has become.
Hillary Clinton was, as Trump described her when she unwisely accused him of being a sexist, a facilitator of sexism; simultaneously the feminist in chief and First (Wronged) Lady, as spouse of America’s premier sexist. She was elected in a rotten borough for the Democrats in New York State, and was a nondescript secretary of state. She has been caught in innumerable falsehoods and her conduct in the entire Benghazi affair (the terrorist murder of a U.S. ambassador) was reprehensible. Her indictment for various breaches of national security and possible perjury is regularly demanded by former attorney general Michael Mukasey and other worthies.
She is often impressive, but all these and more failures, as well as unseemly activities with the Clinton Foundation, will be mercilessly pounded on in the campaign. Donald Trump will not simulate the languorous defeatism of the senior Bush or Mitt Romney, or the blunderbuss shortcomings of Bob Dole and John McCain. (Romney’s savage attack on Trump on Thursday served to remind Republicans of how he squandered a winnable election in 2012 and faced in all four directions on every major issue.)
Eight years ago, it was time to break the colour barrier at the White House. Now it is time to clean the Augean Stable. Donald Trump has his infelicities, though not those that malicious opponents or people like John Robson, who simply haven’t thought it through, allege. But he seems to have become the man whom the great office of president of the United States now seeks. He is far from a Lincolnian figure, but after his astonishing rise it would be a mistake to underestimate him.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/conrad-black-dont-underestimate-donald-he-will-win
sound awake (04e750) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:29 pmI see Cruz playing team hackerama for some money and backing. Then naming his own choice for v.p. and cabinet jobs. His new hire has been outstanding.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:33 pmseriously stop with the wall of text, or provide some relevant commentary, conrad black was a victim of fitz, who was appointed by schumer’s creature,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:36 pmThe Koch brothers are frauds for not funding Cruz.
mg (31009b) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:39 pmL. N. Smithee (#166):
I lived in San Francisco when Reagan was elected, and knew quite a few Reagan supporters, none of whom would admit it in public. I was 27, working for a company doing air pollution measurement. Our HQ near the Transamerica building had around 10 people, with 20-30 more around the country. Anyway, the only Carter voter was the president and founder, who really admired the guy – it probably helped that Carter’s EPA was a major part of our funding. I was the only admitted Reagan voter. The gay meteorologist passionately hated Reagan, but even he couldn’t stomach Carter’s obvious economic and foreign-policy failures: he said he was voting for John Anderson (remember him?). Of the other 6-8 employees, every single one came to me separately in the weeks before the election and whispered “Don’t tell [the boss] but I’m voting for Reagan, too”. None of them were under me in the chain of command, so there was no reason for them to lie – well, no reason to lie to me, anyway.
A few weeks after the election, I ran into one of my professors at U. Chicago and he told me he took several hundred dollars off his colleagues betting on Reagan. I kicked myself then for not thinking of doing the same: with all the secret Reagan voters around me, I was quite certain he was going to win even when the polls were saying “too close to call”, but it never occurred to me to make bets on it.
In short, you may have known quite a few Reagan voters back then, even if none of them was willing to tell you.
Dr. Weevil (4e6e80) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:46 pmyou must understand destroying Trump is not building up Cruz.
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if you give the voter the choice of Killary and Cruz you are….
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:48 pmCruz doesn’t need Rubio to coalesce he needs him to take a seat. Step aside.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmthen again, there was nothing like tmz, back in that era, well at least that wasn’t written on a bathroom wall,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmthis crowd is sometimes too dour,
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001042/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 4:53 pmcruz just channeled mitt romney and harry reid:
“Cruz: Media is sitting on bombshells about Donald Trump”
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271975-cruz-media-is-sitting-on-bombshells-about-donald-trump
like the media wont try to put cruz through a meatgrinder the same way in the fall
the media is running a scam on cruz and hes falling for it
its easy to tell when the media is lying: their lips are moving
only cruz doesnt understand that…hes as foolish as trump is bombastic
ill take bombastic over foolish any day
the media dont want donald in the whitehouse any more than the elites in the democrat party or gop
so they concoct a story to try to get people not to vote for trump because “the media will just be so brutal to him in the fall”
nope…not fallin for it…nice try ted…
sound awake (04e750) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:01 pmmg@268:
Ibidem (f7be92) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:03 pmI’d read that the Kochs were funding Cruz.
Granted, this was some nutcase (Lauren Stephens) trying to argue that they had also backed Scott Walker, therefore Cruz is establishment.
But looking it up, yes, they’ve backed his campaign, although they certainly don’t agree with all his positions.
I’ve never been under the impression it was up to the RNC “to groom a candidate.” I’ve always thought that it was the job of the potential nominee to get his or her own act together in the interim between elections so their fitness for the big chair couldn’t be questioned.
L.N. Smithee (0c5978) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:03 pmthe reverse, is true, they spend their time, trying to run their candidate, romney, maverick, jeb, through the gauntlet of srm media, and wonder what went wrong?
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:07 pmNothing wrong with the Kochs. They give money to the Heartland Institute, which is one of the main organizations fighting the climate change fraud.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:43 pmsound awake,
You’re putting us to sleep with your Great Wall of Trump.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:43 pmCruz doesn’t understand the liberal media? That’s as about as absurd as anything you’ve said (and that’s saying a lot).
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:45 pm@ sound awake: Man, you need to seriously consult with our host, Patterico, about this cut-and-pasting of essentially the entire content of posts elsewhere that you think we should read.
“Fair use” has limits.
If you don’t own it, you ought not be cutting and pasting it here at that kind of length. I’m just tellin’ ya, it creates legal problems (more for you than for him, but even the little bit if trouble it could cause him isn’t worth it).
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:46 pmTo anyone stupid enough to fall for Trump’s excuse for why he won’t release his taxes — that being, some (unspecified) years’ returns are “under audit” (unspecified of what type) that might or might be over anytime soon (“ask me again in a few years”) — let me point out the extremely obvious:
The IRS already has the returns. If the returns are released to the public, there’s no way that anything the public learns is going to somehow make the returns more or less likely to satisfy the IRS’ scrutiny.
The only people Trump is trying to hide these returns from is everyone else except the IRS — that is to say, the American voting public.
Everyone who’s not already a sucker for Trump can understand why Trump might resist releasing his tax returns. Don’t give me nonsense about how “tax returns don’t really show anything.” Among many, many other things, they show how much you’ve paid in taxes.
Donald Trump is willing to brag to you about his junk, but he won’t let you look at his taxes. His junk is his and Mrs. Trump’s business, I suppose, but his tax return’s are everyone’s business, just like every other modern-day political candidate for high office.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:57 pmThe Unnecessary Apostrophe Gremlin struck that last sentence, and I blush.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 5:59 pmGerald A. @278:
Ibidem (f7be92) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:03 pmI’m more likely than not to agree with things the Kochs back, so yes, I agree with you.
no, they aren’t the establishment, as with adelson, they do agree on some of their priorities, like amnesty, but they are shibboleth, like richard mellon scaife was a generation ago,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:05 pmAnd by the way, like any civil trial lawyer of much experience, I’ve had dozens and dozens of occasions to argue over whether tax returns, audited financial statements, source documents, company ledgers, bank records, and all other kinds of financial information should or shouldn’t be turned over as part of litigation.
Whether you get that information, and how much of it you get, and under what restrictions, varies a lot depending on the circumstances, including whether they’re genuinely relevant to factual disputes before the court. But in any litigation involving valuation — What is this person/company/share of stock/half-interest in a welding shop worth? — that sort of information is generally deemed not only relevant, but crucial: It will be come the basis for every “battle of the experts” when the appraisers and accountants and brokers take the stand to testify.
Never once in 36 years of practice have I ever seen a judge sustain an objection to turning over tax returns, though, on the basis that they’re “under audit.” The fact that the IRS is trying to check your compliance with the law does not create any privilege from disclosure. If anything, it would make any judge more likely to order disclosure.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:05 pm#282 Beldar wrote, “Donald Trump is willing to brag to you about his junk, but he won’t let you look at his taxes.”
That’s one of the one-liners of the year—and it’s only the first week of March.
You should write that Civil War novel, man.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:05 pmAnd no, the Fifth Amendment is not involved with Donald Trump’s tax returns in any way, shape, or form, so don’t even go there, you silly Trumpists. Neither is the First Amendment. Let’s see, what else? Neither is his personal privacy; when produced by political campaigns, tax returns are routinely edited (redacted) to prevent candidates from being put at risk of identity theft. Fourth Amendment? Nope, the American public doesn’t need a warrant or probable cause to be genuinely curious about whether a claimed multi-billionaire who brags about paying off politicians has paid all the taxes he owes; that’s not involved either. Save yourself some time: There is no legal excuse, period.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:10 pmFor those wondering about Kansas and their reaction to Trump, it’s something like this couple’s.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:10 pmok, now we know it hides the grotto, with the sharks with lasers,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:13 pmSince you admitted you are just trolling anyway, this will be your last warning
Looks more like AstroTurfing.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:13 pmHere’s an excerpt from Aaron Blake’s article in the WaPo, 3/6/16: (He’s comparing Cruz’s early victories to those of Santorum and Huckabee and finding that all 3 share a losing pattern.)
ropelight (0efd76) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmOh: And no, Trump’s FEC disclosures don’t show whether or how much he’s paid in taxes. Neither are the audited financial statements. They are subject to possible penalties for perjury, but since the reporting is done in terms of “ranges” and since many of the categories allow for spectacular exercises of subjective judgment (e.g., the fair market value of the “Trump Brand,” his single largest claimed asset by far), the FEC returns can conceal about as much as they reveal.
No one outside the Trump organization knows Trump’s real net worth. But do you know who has had the very best, most comprehensive, and most accurate information about him?
His companies’ lenders over the years. They did get to look at, under strict nondisclosure agreements, all of Trump’s audited financial statements, plus everything (source documents, P&Ls, assets & liabilities, general ledgers, and yes, tax returns) that might be useful in evaluating Trump’s creditworthiness. Why did Trump give them all that information? Because nobody loans hundreds of millions of dollars without it.
And his lenders have always charged him junk bond rates. Indeed, his inability to make interest payments, again and again, was what precipitated each of his four waves of corporate bankruptcies. So that’s what the best financial experts in the world — “the real sharks,” as Trump called them in the very first debate, when Chris Wallace asked him about his bankruptcies — think of Donald Trump’s big-shot fortune.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:20 pmNot only do I want him to release his taxes, but I want to see all his divorce records. Even the sealed ones. Worked for Obama.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:21 pmIt’s funny that someone (#292) quoted that particular WaPo piece of crap. Read that last sentence again:
Last I checked, Kansas and Oklahoma are considered midwestern states, Maine is considered a northeastern state, and Alaska is pretty far out west.
Duh.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:22 pmSignificant typo in #293, it should have read: “Neither are they [i.e., Trump’s FEC disclosures] audited financial statements.” The point being: No accounting firm has risked its professionals’ licenses or the firms reputation on certifying that what’s reported in Trump’s SEC filings have been compiled in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP) or anything remotely close to that.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:24 pmwell the fix’s circle of chimps, are always dubious, I imagine they meant a primary in either of those two states, very few read long drawn out legal documents, some don’t even look at the bbb’s ratings, when needs must,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:27 pmwhen the journolist wurlitzer is on a tear, the facts don’t matter, buzzard feed did some random act of journalism, re ben carson, but the journal sealed his fate,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:29 pmYou know, another thing about that very silly, spectacularly misinformed Aaron Blake blog post in the WaPo that someone unreliable quoted above (#292):
Blake claims that “so far, Cruz hasn’t really won anything that [Huckabee & Santorum] didn’t.”
But I live in Texas; I voted here in the GOP primaries in 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and now 2012. And for the life of me, I can’t recall Huckabee or Santorum carrying my state in a GOP primary. I know someone like Blake is awfully confused on geography and politics. But last I checked, Texas was a pretty big state, with an awfully large population, with more delegates by far than any other state has yet awarded.
Wait a sec, lemme check.
Okay, back. Yup, looked out the door, Texas is still here. I think that guy’s pretty dim.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:39 pmlook it’s the bezos post, no decent oligarch would touch it,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:40 pmThe inevitability of Trump is why it’s OK to f*** your sister?
Because that seems to the message I’m receiving.
If a mother-humping b@stard is popular, I need to get over my old-fashioned prudish ways and get in line.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:40 pmBecause, …
Republican!!!
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 6:41 pmwhat’s right with kansas,
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/03/04/kansas-is-back-report-claims-thanks-to-gov-brownbacks-tax-cuts/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:12 pmsilly rabbit, you think they are really concerned about trump university,
http://iotwreport.com/anti-trump-ads-are-paid-for-by-same-501c-running-anti-cruz-ads/
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:23 pmIt might help clarify matters to note the paragraph immediately preceding the excerpt I posted at #292 which follows my correction of the headline:
ropelight (0efd76) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:27 pmNYT’s count of delegates, after awarding all of P.R.’s to Rubio based on today’s results there:
Last I checked, 300 is 78% of 384. In the excerpt from that chump Andrew Blake’s WaPo post which some other innumerate person quoted here (#292 above), Blake asserts that
So my question is this: How much more than 78% do you have to get to before you’ve put a “dent” in something? If someone puts a 78% dent into the passenger compartment of my car, I think that’s a pretty big dent, for example.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:35 pmHow close were KY & LA? Trump won both by a whisker, but only gets two more delegates than Cruz from Kentucky and one more than Cruz from Louisiana. Cruz offset that margin exactly by taking three more than Trump in ME. Cruz’ entire 24 to 9 delegate differential from Kansas is what we can call “political net profit” for the night.
So is that margin bigger or smaller than Trump’s hands?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:41 pmWho is Andrew Blake? Just because somebody put something down in writing does not make it true. Or even worth more than a glance as you’re lining the bird cage.
nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:47 pmnk, I’m sorry, I may have confused things. I said “Andrew Blake” just now, but it’s actually “Aaron Blake.”
To which you say, “Who is Aaron Blake?”
Answer: He’s another leftie journalist from the Washington Post. Here’s the link to the WaPo blog post that was quoted in #292 above.
I totally agree with you about what does & doesn’t make something true, and about bird cage linings.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:54 pmfishwrap, dog trainer, texas tribune, pretty much the same thing,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 7:56 pmThank you, Beldar. An agenda as well as a quota. ropelight, do you doubt that this guy is no friend of either Trump or Cruz, carrying water for Hillary, and looking to stick a knife in to the GOP side anywhere he can?
nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:01 pmyes, and brit hume whitewashes hillary, rubin is verklempt over cruz and trump, one should be aware of whenever the wurlitzer is running,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:03 pmThree out of four dentists surveyed recommend sugarless gum for their patients who believe TV commercials. I had a conversation with the daughter, today, about books, movies, and TV and giving credence to the affectations of other people.
nk (dbc370) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:18 pmWow, Lindsay Graham’s own personal Overton Window is really shifting:
I doubt he’s alone in this among the GOP establishment.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:45 pmCruz hasn’t changed but Graham has. I guess Cruz is a uniter after all.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/6/2016 @ 8:53 pmI actually came across that NRO link about Sen. Graham before I saw the entire interview on DVR tonight, DRJ. It got even more amazing.
Earlier in the segment, Chuck Todd had played a January video clip of Sen. Graham saying, no more than half-jokingly, that either Trump or Cruz would be “suicide for the GOP, it’s like the difference between being shot and poisoned.” That prompted this exchange with Mary Matlin (who’s obviously a Cruz fan now)(transcript & italics mine):
Yes, that’s quite a change for Lindsay Graham. If an establishment Republican like Graham is saying that to Rubio & Kasich on “Meet the Press,” how many more are saying it to Rubio & Kasich behind the scenes?
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:20 pm*Matalin, pardon me Mary.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:23 pmwell matalin is the one sensible person allowed in that chimp’s gallery, of course f chuck wouldn’t ask about the new pac kicking around, and the provenance of the concern over trump university, it’s not done to ask anything but the cookie cutter dnc cribsheet,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:28 pmLet me see if I can get the buzz words just right:
I believe Lindsay Graham has experienced a paradigm shift that has dispelled, in part, his inherent cognitive dissonance, such that as an establishment GOP opinion leader, he may be canarying (yes, I’ve seen that as a verb, meaning to be the canary in the coalmine) an emerging preference cascade in favor of Sen. Cruz among #NeverTrump Republicans, both among GOP politicians and potential GOP primary voters.
How’s that? Psycho-babbly enough? 😀
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:28 pmShe is a pistol, narciso, I agree with you about that. How she lives with that Carville snapping turtle, I will never quite fathom; that is one of the mysteries of the universe, matter and anti-matter coexisting in the same bedroom!
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:29 pmYou’re fighting the good fight. Me? I’m taking Sunday off. Sorry about not lending a hand.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:36 pmDirected at Beldar.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:37 pmHow true.
Did you see the post at Powerline comparing Cruz to
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:41 pm…
Nixon…
Unbelievable, never saw such uniformly angry comments there before.
Thank you, Steve57, I’m in a good mood and very chatty today.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:45 pmthey still hold grudges from the shutdown, the whole notion is this dark ogre that we have to flagellate ourselves over, is ridiculous, but it’s how you keep your top man credentials,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:50 pmGracias. XO make a note. Ops take for action.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:56 pmcruz is from the sunbelt, as was nixon, he thrived on preparation, as was nixon, early on he confronted the left organs, he is more credentialed then the squire of whittier, but that’s about where it ends,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/6/2016 @ 9:56 pm@ MD [in] Philly (#323): Thanks for the pointer to the PowerLine post. You’re right, the commenters were not impressed!
Nixon was the proverbial riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. Cruz is an open book. Hindrocket should be ashamed of that tantrum. Seriously, putting up pix comparing Cruz & Nixon based on their respective noses? If he was doing a satire, that would be one thing, but he seems to have been utterly serious. Pish posh.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:12 pmBeldar, it is interesting to watch folks on the Right provide the DNC with memes for their propaganda wars to come.
Alan Simpson had it right: “We have two political parties in this country, the Stupid Party and the Evil Party. I belong to the Stupid Party.”
Fingers crossed. The MSM tongue bath over the Democrat debate is typical.
Simon Jester (456586) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:20 pmI watched the whole Dem debate tonight. That’s partly why I’m still in a good mood. I’m not going to chase it down in a transcript, but I’m pretty sure one of the questions asked of both Clinton and Sanders went something like: “Please take turn talking for all of your allotted time, plus two or three minutes more while we ring this little bell, about how much more guilty you feel than your opponent feels for your joint sins of never possibly being able to imagine how racially privileged you both are, much less how inadequate your life-long attempts to make up for that must be.”
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:27 pmI did like the bit from Comrade Bernie about white people not understanding life in the ghetto.
Perhaps he would prefer Jüdischer Wohnbezirk.
Santayana was correct.
Simon Jester (456586) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:32 pm228 No politician serving his ambition could do that, anyway. But a principled man, willing to sacrifice his ambition, could — and did. And then he owned it: He publicly reveled in that exact reputation!
His Republican colleagues didn’t seem to think Cruz was sacrificing his ambition, they thought he was grandstanding at their expense to further his ambition.
James B. Shearer (0f56fb) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:33 pm@ Mr. Shearer (#332): Yes, if you’re entirely happy with the way Mitch McConnell has been leading the Senate both before and after the GOP recaptured it, you would certainly label as “grandstanding” any and all embarrassing truth-telling about the parliamentary games McConnell was playing — for the express purpose of allowing GOP senators to deceive the voters back home about how hard, or even whether, they were fighting Obama and the Dems.
Graham freely admitted (in a portion I haven’t transcribed, alas) that he was angry at Cruz because Cruz had led the American public and GOP voters to believe that he (Graham) and McConnell were in favor of Obamacare. His ego was bruised, in other words, by being held accountable.
He’s getting over that. So will a whole lot of other establishment Republicans. And that is why Cruz could well still win an outright majority of delegates before the convention — or, even failing that, he might end up coming to the convention with more delegates than Trump. I personally think Trump will go down like the Hindenberg once it’s a two-man race, and the results yesterday — where Trump won three out of four states’ election-day voters even in a five-man race — surely seem to suggest that.
More than a million Texans obviously don’t think Cruz was “grandstanding” in the Senate, or they wouldn’t have turned out on Tuesday to vote for him.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:47 pmIt irks me when people call Texas a closed primary state. It is not closed primary, it is single primary. You can only vote in one. That means Democrats who are confident their guy (or gal) is going to win can pick up the Republican ballot instead and pick who they want their candidate to run against. I wonder how many Trump votes this gathered.
Random Numbers (323051) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:51 pm333 I think it was Cruz who won 3/4, Beldar. This site needs an edit button.
Random Numbers (323051) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:54 pmGraham said that Ted Cruz had phoned him right after Graham’s comments after SEC Tuesday to the effect that the Party might have to rally around Cruz. He cited that as evidence that Cruz was willing to work with Republicans in Congress if he’s the nominee.
I’m betting Cruz has been on the phone with quite a few other senators — certainly including John Cornyn, who had to notice those turnout and voting totals on Tuesday. I’m betting he’s been on the phone, directly or through carefully chosen proxies, with a bunch of GOP congressmen too. In fact, they’re probably going up and down all of the previous endorsers and big donor bundlers and state party leaders — anyone whose contact info they have in their data-driven campaign database — singing variations on the same hymn: “Come home, come home ….”
It will make David Brooks’ pointy head explode, but I think the rallying around Cruz has now become much more likely than not. I won’t claim that it’s inevitable yet, even though I think the math and calendar are themselves inexorable.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 10:59 pm@ random numbers (#335): OH! Yes, thank you, I got that absolutely backwards. Sentence ought to have read:
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:01 pmI also ought to have called the SEC primaries “a four-man race” (although it’s really a two-man race, as the voters are increasingly ahead of the Kasich & Rubio campaigns in realizing).
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:42 pm@ DRJ: U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-TX) was on the CNN “State of the Union” panel this morning. I think you’re right that he’s on the Dems’ short list for Veep, and he’s being groomed a bit, probably focus-group tested.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/6/2016 @ 11:53 pm314, 315. Trust Shamnesty? Absurd. Wacko addressed love songs are but a ploy, bread cast on the water.
DNF (755a85) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:16 amRe:
Is that serious or jest? I’ve had this bumper sticker
http://i.imgur.com/PxK0F06.png
on my car for about five years now, and I drive through Dearborn on a regular basis. Does that put me at legal risk from kamikaze beardos?
More or less back on topic: For (immediate) future reference, I’ve seen some statements that Michigan is a closed primary state. For the record, I live there, and it is nothing of the sort. The party bosses on both sides like to call it that, for some reason. On Tuesday, everyone who walks in to vote will get their registration checked, and then be offered their choice of an R or D ballot. No qualifications, no requirements, no questions asked, no consequences at all, other than the choice being a public record. Are there states with primaries that are more open than that?
Luke Stywalker (618b5f) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:35 amCruz is where he is at by bucking the republican hacks, why would he get in bed with those diseased ingrates?
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:41 am275- Ibidem
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:51 amLinks please.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-powerful-koch-brothers-just-announced-they-wont-try-to-halt-donald-trumps-rise-2016-3
The fraud brothers should have been backing Cruz from the start.
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:52 amSuckers
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:57 amhttp://townhall.com/sharethrough?skey=73a37c9b&strref=http%3A%2F%2Ftownhall.com
Your gut Mitty.
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:00 amhttp://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/republican_establishment_the_next_whig_party.html
A true parasite is mitty.
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:05 amhttp://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/romneys_sour_grapes.html
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/07/watch-judge-jeanine-hammers-mitt-romney-over-a-panicked-establishment/
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:16 am348. For those that cannot bear to follow links:
The meme flogged here at Rico’s “Cruz Conservatives and the GOPe” can win together is a flat out lie.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:42 amI have a match/2016
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:51 amThe mood of America is definitely not “We can turn this thing around”.
On the contrary, it is “Burn DC to the ground”. Y’all are to enmeshed in a corrupt system to see it is flying apart.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/7/2016 @ 3:52 amThis is the sort that seeks to build up Cruz by destroying Trump:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/03/06/glenn-beck-on-donald-trump/
A number here are no more sophisticated, reasonable, or normal. Do you really expect low-information voters to heed your vomit.
DNF (755a85) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:09 amThe mood of my America is “Should I send my kid to a Catholic high school, Dominican to boot, when the local public high school is one of the best in the state? Sure, the Catholic school has advanced placement classes with as few as three students if that’s all that qualify, but the public school has co-ed wrestling.”
nk (dbc370) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:39 amUm, yeah. That struck me the same way.
“Ghetto” is Italian, so it should be quartiere residenziale ebraico, if I can trust Google Translate for a moment (probably not).
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:35 amThank you, Milhouse.
Nk, you hit the nail on the head. The “burn it down” people never seen to consider the human cost. Nor the history of what happens in general during most revolutions.
Change can be evolutionary, or revolutionary. The latter is slow; the former is bloody.
Simon Jester (1d8237) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:53 amSigh. You know what I mean. Time for coffee.
Simon Jester (1d8237) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:00 amIt has been a long time since I have heard the point made that there are many more white people in poverty than black in this country.
Bernie, a whole lot of people also don’t know what it is like to be poor in the hills.
If people would quit scrapping over playing the victim and look at common struggles, it would be more helpful,
But then being helpful is not the aim, is it, but manipulating a power base.
King led the poor people’s march on Washington, though I guess there are those who think that was not inclusive enough, and at the same time inclusive of people who shouldn’t have been there.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:08 amAny one have any idea as to what percentage of African Americans are repulsed by the black lives matter movement, how many actually would prefer the all lives matter approach? It doesn’t take many people to disrupt a gathering.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:13 amIs there a “silent majority” of African Americans who would be happy for all lives to matter?
The smart choose Ted. The stupid choose Trump. The evil choose Hillary.
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:16 amAh simpson, the man whose amnesty bill confirmed the stupid party label. For the lack of a mail.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:16 amThe continuing resolution proved cruz, not the proforma statement, one thing you can count on, top men are in for themselves, not the people.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:23 amSome lives matter are the dream defenders, who he house astroturfer, but they track back to the crew that tom Wolfe spotted in Oakland in 67.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:25 amI know exactly what you mean, Simon, and you understood what I was saying too.
nk (dbc370) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:27 amHi! I’m Bernie and this is my brother Jamal and this is my other brother Jamal.
nk (dbc370) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:28 amLol, doc Brown was a much less successful community organizer, and he follows alinsky’s precepts.
Trump supporters want to stop the top men from providing the torches to the democrats, but too many on this enjoy the practice of suttee
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:43 amSure, the Catholic school has advanced placement classes with as few as three students if that’s all that qualify, but the public school has co-ed wrestling.”
nk (dbc370) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:39 am
Hey kid, does your dad know you are on his computer?
felipe (b5e0f4) — 3/7/2016 @ 7:02 amThe co-ed wrestling is kind of a gyp because the boys refuse to wrestle with the girls, preferring to take a forfeit.
nk (dbc370) — 3/7/2016 @ 7:10 amI trust I don’t have to explain the Suttee reference.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 7:14 amI looked it up.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/7/2016 @ 7:45 amOT:
Against Kevin M’s sound judgment, I have a position 8255 shares in MNKD. It was $1.05 then, but today it is $1.23 down from the day’s (so far) high of $1.25. I have a sell order for $1.39. No I don’t do stop losses on a stock this volatile. Not a lot of money involved, but enough to wet my beak.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 3/7/2016 @ 8:05 amAre either or both of Rubio’s parent’s still alive? Maybe Cruz’ dad needs to have a talk with them, conio to conio, so that they convince Marco to drop out and endorse Ted.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 3/7/2016 @ 8:05 amI do believe one parent, during the Senate campaign.
narciso (6af9ad) — 3/7/2016 @ 8:15 amHad a laughable incident happen yesterday. After church I swung by the Club to see the guys. One of our perpetual liberals heard a friend saying he liked Trump. This guy says: “You all should just love Trump since you Republicans are all racists”. I looked at him and said: “Then why did we have a woman, a back surgeon and two Hispanics on our primary ticket while you had an old white woman and an old white man?”. He went quiet.
Rev. Hoagie™® (eb7063) — 3/7/2016 @ 8:17 am3 Cheers 🍻 for Hoagie! That was quick thinking.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 3/7/2016 @ 8:35 am355. “Change can be devolutionary”
FIFY.
DNF (755a85) — 3/7/2016 @ 9:05 amRepublicans don’t change. They give in at the first boo.
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 9:16 amDoc, appropos of nothing.
http://www.antiqueswordsonline.com/product/italian-model-1871-heavy-cavalry-troopers-sword/
See that bulge on the upper part of the guard? That’s for your thumb.
When you take hold of it, you’re like “Ahhh!” It’s a revelation. The sword is supposed to fit your hand, you shouldn’t have to make your hand fit the sword.
I figured maybe you know your way around a knive, on a professional basis.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 9:30 amA girl I was in the navy with, she went to the academy. She bragged about how during one of her academy summers she played marine corp. And she beat the crap out of some guy with pugil sticks because he wouldn’t hit her back.
Got that? He wouldn’t hit back. So she hauls off on the guy, knowing full well she’s entirely safe. And, she brags about it.
I suppose I should add I was raised properly. I know she wasn’t representative of the female of the species.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 9:44 amFull disclosure. She looked really good in those shorts. So I’m not putting forth my best effort in the Navy’s Physical Fitness Test. I could be running faster.
But no. I’m just jogging along thinking that must be jelly cuz’ jam don’t shake like that.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 9:58 amDe-evolution is real… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc
Colonel Haiku (d1ec67) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:04 amOMG, I think my trade is going to execute. MNKD is at $1.37.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:13 amcoronello, you should have seen it. With the sun shining on it and all.
It was beautiful.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:13 amI’m always amazed at the historical illiteracy of those who talk about the GOP becoming “the next Whig Party” as if there was really any such thing as a Whig Party. It was just a temporary home for people who could not abide Andy Jackson.
The so-called Whigs were a disgruntled rump group of the then-single-party Democratic-Republican system who were opposed to Andrew Jackson’s constitutional usurpations. When Jackson and his followers left the scene, so did the Whigs. They got their start in the ad-hoc group that prevented Jackson’s 1924 election by dividing the vote and stopping an electoral vote majority, then beating him in the House. Jackson came back in 1928 and was President until 1837, during which time they decided they had to formally break off and form this “Whig Party.” Their first test was trying to stop Jackson’s hand-picked successor, Van Buren from being elected. They failed.
They elected two Presidents, in 1840 and 1848, both of whom quickly died in office and were succeeded by incredibly poor VPs. All 4 of these Whig Presidents are ranked among the 10 worst US presidents. Tyler, who became president after Harrison died, was expelled from the party while serving. Fillmore, who became president after Taylor died, found that there was no Whig Party when he wanted to run again, and ran as a Know-Nothing. Which was apt.
Historically, they were simply the “anti-Jackson Party” and as much a real Party as some “Anti-Trump” party would be if it formed today. Some of the Whigs ended up in the new Republican party, but lots of others did, too.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:23 amGood for you felipe. Now stop.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:24 amwell they were the successor to the Federalists, which roughly puts them in the evolutionary arc of the GOP.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:30 amYeah, I couldn’t stand the pressure! I sold at $1.37 aaaand it dropped right after that. $1.30. Heh.It’s only a $2627 gain, but I’ll take it. I’ve been muddling a re-buy, that is, until you commented, Kevin, so I’m just going to sit pat and walk away.
But if it drops back to $1, I’ll buy back in.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:31 amI looked it up too, Doc, then I realized I already knew it but had forgotten. Went from ignorance to Alzheimer’s in an instant.
Rev. Hoagie™® (eb7063) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:36 amMaybe she was trying to teach him a valuable lesson that might save his life one day. (Why yes, I am in the middle of reading the Dresden Files, why do you ask?)
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:02 amSteve,
Sorry, if you’re in that kind of situation (the pugil stick bit) and refuse to hit your opponent for whatever reason you absolutely deserve to get your ass handed to you. In the military academy situation I would go so far as to question whether the guy should even continue attending.
Now I wouldn’t brag about beating such a person but I would still demean them at pretty much every opportunity afterward, whether they were present or not. It’s the difference between how great I am (which beating someone who doesn’t compete does nothing to prove) and what a pathetic loser the guy is (for which not competing is great evidence).
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:06 amit is as good shorthand, as any godwin rule violation,
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/03/republican_establishment_the_next_whig_party.html
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:22 amThey won’t be running pigs at this convention, Jerry.
mg (31009b) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:42 amhttp://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2016/03/cleveland_seeking_to_buy_riot.html
well they were the successor to the Federalists, which roughly puts them in the evolutionary arc of the GOP.
But they were as much a party as the Reform Party was. A bit more successful, but really not more than a common ancestor. What was happening was that the Second Party System was fracturing under the pressures of Jackson’s challenge to the elites. Nothing really changes. Only difference is that Trump is a pretty mediocre stand-in for Andy Jackson.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:46 am> but I would still demean them at pretty much every opportunity afterward, whether they were present or not.
demeaning someone because they are a “pathetic loser” is, IMO, pretty low-class behavior.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:56 amLeviticus, you want me say I won’t vote for Trump because he’s a fascist.
I refuse to say he’s a fascist, because fascists are just smarter.
But let’s settle on the Cheka. Trump is a Chekist. I won’t vote for a Chekist. And that eliminates a h3ll of a lot of people.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:13 pm@ Luke Stywalker (#341): I was joking about my insurance company denying my coverage if I trigger road rage in someone else with my hypothetical anti-Trump bumper-sticker. But only by a little bit.
But I actually do eschew bumper-stickers anyway; I’m more worried about someone keying my car’s paint or breaking a window while it’s parked in one of Houston’s blue enclaves (e.g., on campus at my kids’ college). It hasn’t happened to me, but it’s certainly happened to people I know who display particularly provocative right-leaning sentiments. Lefties are humorless nationwide, for the most part, it seems.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:22 pmSoronel Haetir @389, it wasn’t me.
knf
What is it with you guys? I keep attracting a flock of you who can’t read.
I never went to the naval acacemy. Mmm K.
Had I gone to the naval academy for the good of everyone including her own d#mn good I would have knocked Buffy the Vampire Slayer into next week.
But I wasn’t there.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:24 pm“Leviticus, you want me say I won’t vote for Trump because he’s a fascist.”
– Steve57
I don’t care what you say. We went over this. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:29 pmIf this is your way of attempting to build bridges, you go about it in a strange way. I haven’t even commented on this thread up to this point.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:30 pmLeviticus, I’m not putting a word into your mouth.
You challenged me. I answered.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:34 pmFascism is the left’s first step in an attempt to dominate a free economy, if successful they progress to a system of national socialism designed to crush political opposition.
Once both economic and political opposition has been outlawed (all in the name of economic fairness and national political unity) the left installs a communist dictatorship. Leviticus is a communist.
ropelight (3aee23) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:41 pmSteve,
I was not under the impression that you had gone to the academy. I was, however, under the belief that both the gal described and the guy she was up against did.
aphrael ,
Regarding demeaning someone for being a loser being low class: I say it depends on how the term is used. I agree that demeaning someone for losing when they did their best lacks class. I disagree entirely when the term is used to describe someone who signs up but then refuses the match. That second person is incredibly deserving of mockery.
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:42 pm‘Just say No’ didn’t work. Heroin and other drug use probably didn’t really come from people pushing other people to take it.
Sammy Finkelman (936567) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:47 pmIf you’re saying that fascism is just a name, a word, and that leftists can call you that, I’ll admit that’s true.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 12:47 pmSteve, I say that fascism is what you and the others here who support Cruz by attacking Trump and his supporters are practicing. You know it’s wrong. You all know who you are, and so does everyone else who reads this blog regularly. The shoe fits, and you’re earned the opprobrium of all fair minded readers unlucky enough to have encountered your mindless drivel.
ropelight (3aee23) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:17 pm“You [Leviticus] challenged me.”
– Steve57
No, I didn’t. Where did I “challenge” you? You are acting weird.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:19 pmBeing accused of “mindless drivel” by a Trump supporter is like being accused of “racism” by David Duke.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:21 pmReading comprehension is your friend, Liviticus. It was Steve’s mindless drivel, not yours, I was referencing. But if you insist one being included, the consider yourself included. Your mindless drivel is every bit as silly and wrongheaded as his is.
No need to thank me, you’ve earned it.
ropelight (3aee23) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:28 pmmarco dick joke rubio
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hearts fetuses
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happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:42 pm“Reading comprehension is your friend, Liviticus.”
– ropelight
Spelling is your friend, ropelight.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:46 pmi want a friend
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:49 pmYou can be my friend!
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:53 pmyay!
lovin this monday!
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 1:53 pmGet a dog.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:07 pmBeldar #395: when I was in grad school many, many years ago, I had a friend who was something of a right wing honeybadger. He is the one who got me reading Milton Friedman. Anyway, we were driving across campus one day, and he saw a car with a “SPLIT WOOD, NOT ATOMS” bumper sticker. He reached into the glove compartment, got something, jumped out, and ran up to the offending car.
He drove off, smiling.
Very carefully, over the first bumper sticker, he had placed one of his own. It read “MORE NUKES, LESS KOOKS.”
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:12 pmAnd a room.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:12 pmWhere did I “challenge” you again, Steve?
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:17 pmGive me minute. Not necessarily on this thread..
If you didn’t challenge me to be honest we can quit and go home.
I thought you did.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 2:35 pmYeah. I’ll wait.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:07 pmFor a long while, probably.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:07 pmLeviticus, at 415: comment #415 is, IMO, you challenging Steve57. 😛
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:09 pmSteve… while you’re at it, see if you can wring a response out of Leviticus re: who he’s supporting this election cycle. Just curious, given all of his bloviating.
Colonel Haiku (d1ec67) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:18 pmjust a few more dick jokes and I’ll be right home to you
i think I hear them calling
oh, Trump – what can I do?
Trump what can I do?
happyroobs (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:21 pmOk. You never insisted I be honest. That it’s alright to have double standards.
See, I’m cool either way.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:21 pmhah my cuz was right next to naked lady on truck i have pics lol
happyroobs (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:22 pmI did a word search. fickle memory does not serve. So I’m wrong, Leviticus. Not once did you demand honesty from me or anyone else.
So you see. You don’t need to wait. Speedy effin’ service.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:25 pmDemand. Challenge. I’m unsure of what exact word games we’re playing.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:28 pm#423 was actually me
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:33 pm“Demand. Challenge. I’m unsure of what exact word games we’re playing.”
– Steve57
We’re not playing word games. We’re back to educating Steve57 on the risks of shooting his mouth off without doing his research.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:40 pmYeh. On another thread you tossed out some comment about people being afraid to call Donald Trump a fascist.
I took that as a challenge. What word games are you playing?
Educate me, son.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 4:52 pmEndorsements haven’t been very potent this year, but Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant endorsed Ted Cruz today. Sure beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:05 pm“I took that as a challenge” does not equate to “You challenged me.” Your unique ability to make everything about yourself is your problem, not mine.
Leviticus (b9bdfd) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:16 pmi endorse Mr. The Donald
there i said it
i’m prepared to accept the consequences
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:27 pmSo it looks like Cruz is getting some senatorial endorsement ht hot air.
narciso (732bc0) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:38 pmi remember Cruz – he ran for president this year!
it was before Batman v Superman came out but after David Bowie died (I think)
do i get a pie?
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 5:52 pmThis could be a sieg-nificant development.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:00 pmIn a recent survey carried out for the leading toiletries firm ‘Brut’, people from Chicago have proved to be the most likely to have had sex in the shower!
In the survey, 86% of Chicago’s inner city residents (almost all of whom are registered Democrats) say that they have enjoyed sex in the shower.
The other 14% said they hadn’t been to prison yet.
Colonel Haiku (d1ec67) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:03 pmLeviticus, you either did challenge me to be honest or you didn’t.
Choose one.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:05 pmRight in teh kisser, happyfeet.
Colonel Haiku (d1ec67) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:06 pmi am so not in the mood for this sort of pie malfeasance i can’t even handle you right now
happyfeet (831175) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:07 pmSee, I wouldn’t be having q problem with this question.
Did I or did I not ask Leviticus to be honest.
Yes, at some point I asked some version of “Leviticus, be honest.”
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:14 pmI dispute your ressults, sir. Dammit. I demand you produce evidence of somebody willingl taking a shower.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:20 pmSoronel, at 401: my view is that the person who is “deserving of mockery” is already suffering because of whatever character defect it is that makes him deserving of mockery; mocking him for it helps him not at all, and makes his suffering worse – so what’s the benefit to doing it?
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/7/2016 @ 6:23 pmaphrael,
When whatever personal issues that are in play have not been enough to cure the defect it is time to try external stimuli. Making someone mad is a generally easy way to overcome whatever hangup someone has that keeps them from competing (admittedly it’s hard to compete well when mad like that but rational consideration can come in the next bout).
Like I said, I’d agree with you if we were talking about someone who did their best but simply came up short, but when you step into the ring or onto the mat you had damn well be willing to give it your best shot.
And think about training a military officer, if they are unwilling to fight back in mock combat when the opponent is a woman are they going to hesitate that lethal second or two when faced with a female suicide bomber? That is my thinking behind questioning whether someone who refuses to compete under those circumstances should even be at the academy.
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 3/7/2016 @ 10:49 pm> do i get a pie?
Right in the kisser.
Mander (082021) — 3/7/2016 @ 11:15 pmI know someone who, in high school, forfeited a match rather than wrestle a girl, because doing so would violate his moral principles. I call that bravery, not weakness. But he didn’t step in the ring and then refuse to fight.
But what of someone who enters the ring but refuses to respond to dirty fighting by engaging in it himself? Someone who has things he’d rather lose than stoop to? Or who just didn’t react quickly enough to a sucker punch (thinking Romney here)? I don’t think it’s appropriate to demean such a person for losing.
I find the whole “winner v loser” thing that Trump engages in to be distasteful. It reflects a world view in which winning is everything, and ultimately comes from the same mindset that produces the Game movement, with its idolization of “alphas” and despising “betas” and “omegas”, and especially its admiration for those who cuckold others and contempt for the “cucks”.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/8/2016 @ 8:36 amMilhouse,
If you sign up for something like wrestling where you know the possibility exists I call you a pathetic loser for forfeiting the match. Especially for school (rather than freestyle or greco) wrestling where team scores are kept. Do you really call it brave where that refusal costs the team and not just the individual?
Soronel Haetir (86a46e) — 3/8/2016 @ 8:55 amYes, it is brave, because the stupid co-ed policy is the product of runaway political correctness, and it should be stymied and ridiculed at every opportunity. Because a victory by a boy over a girl, or a man over a woman, is meaningless. In wrestling and in pugil sticks. Now a cooking competition, that would be different; the boy would be the David and the girl the Goliath.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2016 @ 9:02 amMilhouse, just a couple of observations. For what they’re worth.
The Navy isn’t a really physical deal for the most part. When it is, it’s important. You can count the number of women who can haul pumps, generators, or whatever damage control equipment on one hand.
And 90% if them are still probably better human beings than me.
But that doesn’t mean they belong on combatant vessels.
Because I served in ships before they went coed. And then after. After, it was like high school. I needed a freakin’ crow bar to keep the boys off the girls, the girls off the boys, and vice versa.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/8/2016 @ 10:38 amYes, it’s called putting your moral principles ahead of a meaningless contest. Doing the right thing is more important than winning. And you shouldn’t be barred from competing in a sport just because there’s a possibility that one day you might be in a situation where you have to decline one match.
Milhouse (87c499) — 3/8/2016 @ 2:07 pmWhat about the moral principle of defending the country, Milhouse? We’re not talking about high school wrestling.
Would I hit a girl? Yes, if it was that important. Because if I don’t somebody else will do worse.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-jihadists-stone-two-women-death-adultery-1457455
More important than whatever sentimental notions I may have about chivalry the country can’t afford it. If sailors can’t pull their weight they don’t belong on ships. And it’s entirely possible, it’s necessary to make this generality. Women by and large can’t do the physical work men can do. I served with women who were NCAA athletes. I was never anything special as an athlete. And yet even when I was in my forties I could do twice the pushups or outrun them. And I don’t want for myself and I don’t wish on anybody to end up swimming in the Pacific and fighting sharks because somebody couldn’t haul a generator up or down a ladder. I’m in my mid fifties now and I can still pump out more push ups and sit ups in two minutes then young ladies coming out of the academy. Or other schools.
The run times have fallen off considerably because of the hips. Which don’t lie.
There’s your moral principle, Milhouse. If I can save everyone the trouble of being terminally stupid I’ll hit a girl. I won’t like it. I won’t be proud of myself. I’ll have to beg my mom’s forgiveness. But I’ll do it because it could save lives.
Duty requires it.
Steve57 (79ea4f) — 3/10/2016 @ 2:11 am