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Patterico (c218bd) — 5/5/2011 @ 6:39 pm

Maybe I care a little bit. Given that Pawlenty could be the guy.

Patterico (c218bd) — 5/5/2011 @ 6:40 pm

About Pawlenty, you he sldfkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj….

sorry, fell asleep… what was i saying?

Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 5/5/2011 @ 6:44 pm

btw, i am sick of cain going, “hey, i am going to have a plan for the war on terror.” then why don’t you run when you have one?

Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 5/5/2011 @ 6:46 pm

Huh?

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 6:56 pm

btw, i am sick of cain going, “hey, i am going to have a plan for the war on terror.” then why don’t you run when you have one?

Why would anyone reveal a war plan before executing it?

Michael Ejercito (64388b) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:00 pm

That’s what I was thinking. He’s not allowed at this point and time to see intelligence information,but from what I heard, he would base his “plan” on what he knew. No problem with that. At least I don’t think he would be a pussy about it and I think he would truly appreciate our military men and women. The CIC sure doesn’t give a darn about them unless it benefits them.

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:05 pm

The day Pawlenty wins the presidency is the day Debbie Schlussel makes a coherent thought on Sarah Palin.

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:12 pm

Aargh. Long analytical comment lost in the filter. If you can fish it out I’d appreciate it, as it took some work. Why does the filter object to words like “methodolgy”?

d. in c. (0b8a2b) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:12 pm

And killng a baby with an abortion is no right.

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:16 pm

Perhaps the filter doesn’t like seeing “methodology” misspelled?

navyvet (db5856) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:17 pm

Johnson has provided lots of comic relief, as has Ron Paul. Gosh, it’s a big tent!

Cain and Johnson out-performed my expectations, which were probably unduly low in hindsight.

T-Paw and Santorum have a degree of polish and verbal dexterity that the others lack; they’re obviously the more experienced politicians. I thought both helped themselves tonight.

Those who didn’t show up may regret it.

Beldar (acb014) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:32 pm

Johnson seemed like a flake. He does have Obama’s chin in the air motion down to a tee though. lol

I like Cain, I like West and I like Palin, actually got to meet Palin during the last campaign. Absolutely real real . real person

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:35 pm

well let me clarify what i was saying. cain didn’t even know what the goals were. “oh, i will figure out the goals later.” and i am watching, going, maybe you will adjust when you get in there and see the intel we don’t see, but… you know alot, now, so why not get started now?

Aaron Worthing (73a7ea) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:36 pm

Well I’d say he knows enough to know that Obama isn’t the answer, but with being a businessman, he’s being analytical, which is good. And he didn’t say he’d figure out the goals later, he said that there are no goals now, which there isn’t. YOu can fight a battle if you don’t have a plan. A restrictive ROE isn’t a plan, a attitude of wanting them to “like” us, isn’t a plan. So he said he would go in, look at the information, formulate the plan and fight accordingly, I’m paraphrasing.

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:39 pm

Argggg, should have been “you CAN’T fight a battle…..

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:40 pm

Have the Nor Luap loons gamed the post debate polls yet?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:41 pm

Awwww that name is a new one to me “Nor Luap”….lol

meaning…….

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:45 pm

Its how you refer to Ron Paul without showing up in a Google search as refering to him … thereby avoiding the descent of the Paulnuts.

SPQR (26be8b) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:46 pm

Is Pawlenty the beady eyed one?

SPQR (26be8b) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:46 pm

I thought the beady eyed one was Johnson….I don’t know,but something just didn’t sit well with me about him, but it could have been the pizza I had…

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:48 pm

Ron Paul raised $600K in Money Bomb today. Establisment Republicans better find the answer to the Tea party candidates Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, and Gary Johnson.

DarkHorse (7b40e4) — 5/5/2011 @ 7:56 pm

Well I belong to a tea party and I can guarantee you that I wouldn’t be voting for Johnson especially and probably not Paul. You do know that tea partiers aren’t monolithic don’t you?

And Paul raised a lot of money last year and where did he finish? Oh yea……

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:00 pm

I am not sure if it is possible for me to care less about a debate almost 2 years before the election.

JD (318f81) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:02 pm

I watch then all now. I wish more people would have watched Obama when he was out there at this time. I think it’s important.

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:05 pm

Barcky is going to be in my town tomorrow.

JD (318f81) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:08 pm

My sympathies, although I really want the teams to get some kind of recognition, but I also know that this is just a publicity stunt. You know what I liked about Bush and remember, I didn’t vote for him. But I knew parents who Bush met with and you never heard about it in the papers and that was because he did it because he wanted to, not to boost his image. I admired him for that.

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:13 pm

Why is it that Public Education doesn’t need to be cut but Private Education does?

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:15 pm

And what happens if millionaires don’t have the money to give to Public Education because of high taxes?

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:16 pm

Okay, this Johnson is a loon……next

Spec Ops Mom (267713) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:28 pm

Comment by Michael Ejercito — 5/5/2011 @ 7:00 pm

That seems to be a great plan, execute them all.
What’s the old saying:
The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist!

AD-RtR/OS! (5261df) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:36 pm

I have no desire to listen to anyone try and win my vote a full year before there are even primaries…

Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 5/5/2011 @ 8:56 pm

Okay, this Johnson is a loon……next
Not having watched the debate (I’m with Scott), I’d like to know what prompted that statement.

kishnevi (07c20e) — 5/5/2011 @ 9:07 pm

The only thing this debate can accomplish is freaking me out that we don’t have a strong candidate. My preference, Mitch Daniels (who isn’t at the debate) has been particularly weak at the kind of things politicians need to do to win voters over. He’s a great governor, but we need to nominate the best conservative who can win.

TPaw has some of the same problem, but I get the impression he is totally aware of it and trying to rectify it. He’s in a class of his own in this early field, I think.

Paul Ryan or Chris Christie have the political skill, I think. Ryan is slick in the ‘I am completely prepared and able to explain this’ way, rather than the Obama way. But they really aren’t ready for the White House, IMO. And that’s why they aren’t running, after all.

Dustin (c16eca) — 5/5/2011 @ 9:13 pm

I guess none of you noticed Herman Cain. He was outstanding. I am willing to state he will be a front runner. He looks Presidential and he talks like he knows what he is talking about.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (73381d) — 5/5/2011 @ 9:41 pm

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The only thing this debate can accomplish is freaking me out that we don’t have a strong candidate.

Which from my standpoint refers to a lack of the subtle, undefinable qualities that make a person likeable or not, including how skilled he or she is extemporaneously. So persona (or charisma), to varying degrees, can trump ideology. That’s why some on the left couldn’t easily shrug off Reagan, and why some on the right can’t casually discount Obama (or Bill Clinton). In terms of the latter, from that dynamic is where used-car salesmen rise and flourish.

Mark (411533) — 5/5/2011 @ 9:55 pm

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I guess none of you noticed Herman Cain.

In terms of his persona and philosophy, he did come off better than certainly the former governor of New Mexico or Ron Paul. The superficial aspects of Pawlenty and Santorum seem somehow forgettable or fuzzy. However, I think they and Cain are generally pretty reliable when it comes to a core of common sense.

Of course, I’d prefer any of them to Jeremiah Wright’s buddy.

Mark (411533) — 5/5/2011 @ 10:11 pm

I really, truly cannot wait to hear Ron Paul, Mitt Romney and Huckleberry make Sarah Palin look like the reality TV celebrity she is. Maybe that’s what Donald Trump’s actually about. He’ll be at the debates to make Palin look less ridiculously misinformed… They should sell that show on pay-per-view because liberals like me would pay, no doubt about it…

Big Median (2f532a) — 5/5/2011 @ 11:48 pm

I was amazed at how much less coherent and articulate Ron Paul was than he was four years ago. He’s aged a lot in that time, and it’s probably time for him to give up the campaign. :{

On a personality level, I liked Johnson and Cain the most; both came across as authentic to me, and I thought it was fantastic that Johnson reacted the way he did to the idiotic question about the reality show. Pawlenty, on the other hand, as much as I really wanted to like him, just rubbed me the wrong way; his entire demeanor screamed ‘fake’ in bright flashing fuchsia letters.

I would never vote for him, but I think Santorum came off the best out of the five.

aphrael (9802d6) — 5/6/2011 @ 12:42 am

Jumbo shrimp, is funny that way, isn’t he. On the other hand, Johnson can’t rely on the excuse he’s stoned, he’s always that way.

narciso (79ddc3) — 5/6/2011 @ 3:22 am

Big Median go blow your inflatable doll.

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/6/2011 @ 4:36 am

I don’t care much for the tundra tart, but she is 10x the man big MFM median could ever dream of being.

JD (85b089) — 5/6/2011 @ 4:51 am

Tundra tart?

I like you man but come on.

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/6/2011 @ 5:03 am

Other than her view on New START, the Iranian green revolt, QE 2, persisting on the surge, opposing cap n trade, caution on the egyptian fracas, support for enhanced interrogation, and off course, off shore drilling, even when it was unpopular; she
has little to contribute.

narciso (de5d5a) — 5/6/2011 @ 5:08 am

So let me guess this straight Private schools need to sacrifice but not Public Schools?

And the reason why Kids don’t learn and droput of school is because teachers use their classes as their own politicial den and doesn’t teach the kids the stuff they need.

WTH narciso?

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/6/2011 @ 5:34 am

You can’t recognize sarcasm, Doh,

narciso (de5d5a) — 5/6/2011 @ 5:44 am

Oh sorry.

DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/6/2011 @ 5:45 am

I’d love to see Gary Johnson be President, because then I could say that I used to babysit the President, but my memory of him is that he was a good kid, and why should I want to do something like being President to him? I’m conflicted.

htom (412a17) — 5/6/2011 @ 8:21 am

I went to hear Johnson when he spoke at the Junta in NYC a few months ago. He seemed on the ball about domestic policy, but hopelessly at sea about security. He said he couldn’t understand why we were still in Afghanistan 10 years after the attacks on us. When I put it to him privately after the talk that the reason we were still there was because the last time we decided we could safely ignore the place it came back to bite us on the bottom, he was surprised, as if he’d never considered the matter before, and perhaps was completely unaware that this had happened. He also said he was sure there was a cheaper way to prevent the Taliban and al Qaeda from turning Afghanistan back into a base for terrorist operations, but couldn’t say what that cheaper way might be, he was just sure it must exist.

Milhouse (ea66e3) — 5/8/2011 @ 10:14 am

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