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11/30/2010

Keith Olbermann Shows Us Who Is the Worst Person in the World (Update: I Have Been Out-Snarked)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 7:34 am

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.]

Update: Via Narciso in the comments, I learn that Say Anything has a much, much better snark on this:  Julian Assange Exposed Thousands of Sensitive US Documents, So the Worst Person in the World is Obviously Bristol Palin.

What can I say?  I have been outclassed.  Now to rejoin the post already in progress and riffing off of the title:

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By which I mean, in a snarky way, him.  Which of course is only a joke.  If we were actually going to talk about who was the worst person in the world the top of the list would be, say, Osama bin Laden, or Kim Jung Il.  I mean there is a whole world full of dictators and terrorists and various assorted scum who could earn the title more easily than any one of the people Olbermann regularly names as worst.

But having suspended this segment for I think something like five minutes because he was so inspired by Jon Stewart’s Rally to Restore Sanity (starring an Islamofascist, presented as one of the sane), Olbermann was back at it, naming the Worst Person in the World, telling us who was so insufferably awful this week: Bristol Palin.  Why?  Because she made an ad saying that you should save yourself for marriage, but if you don’t, use protection.

Now the ad he is complaining about is all kinds of pointless (and, Mikey, no one is fooled by your bragging about magnums, okay?), but there is a world of difference between something being pointless and being the act of a bad person.  So what exactly is Keith’s objection?  Does he think that not having sex does not prevent pregnancy?  Does he want children to have lots of unprotected sex?  Or does he feel that Bristol has a duty to advocate for teenage promiscuity, given that she verifiably had sex at least once as a teenager?  Does he think that she should not say, “hey, I have learned through experience that being an unwed mother sucks, so try your best not to be one yourself”?  Seriously, is he an advocate of the view that Bristol should not actually, you know, learn from her mistakes and tell other people not to make them?

I could see him in the 18th century calling John Newton a bad guy for denouncing slavery after he had engaged in it.  “And can you believe that piece of crap song Amazing Grace?  He tells us all that he was a wretch, but now we should listen to him?”

In the end I think Olbermann was just infected with a form of prejudice.  He saw a person he associates with conservatism and heard her say “abstain” and thought this meant she was pushing an abstinence only agenda.  But the total message of the ad was, please wait until marriage, but if you don’t, use protection.  How is that even outside of the mainstream of thought on the subject?

Keith Olbermann is not the worst person in the world for his seething hatred of everything Palin (and watch the video for a bonus dose of Bush derangement).  That terrorist in Portland the other day is a better nominee.  But he is being a jerk, which is hardly surprising.

And I would add that in addition to resuming a segment he swore off because of Jon Stewart’s rally, he also ignored Jon Stewart’s advice: kids are off limits.

Update: My retched, I mean wretched, spelling has been corrected.  Thanks to Mike Myers for catching it, although I am wondering if he is the creator of Wayne’s World, or the killer in Halloween?

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

160 Responses to “Keith Olbermann Shows Us Who Is the Worst Person in the World (Update: I Have Been Out-Snarked)”

  1. Her Mom has more FB followers than he has viewers. No surprise he rolls in the mud yet again.

    VOR2 (c9795e)

  2. It’s creepy that a grown man would get so incensed over girl advocating against teenage sex.

    MayBee (138edc)

  3. It’s creepy that a grown man would get so incensed over girl advocating against teenage sex.

    Creepy and Olberman go hand in hand. I shouldn’t be so judgmental about looks but if I saw someone who looked like him hanging around a playground I would probably call the cops….

    VOR2 (c9795e)

  4. It’s creepy that a grown man would get so incensed over girl advocating against teenage sex

    He wasn’t “incensed”. He was making fun in a snarky way, i.e., Bristol and “The Situation” probably aren’t the best spokespeople for teenage abstinence. It’s no different than what takes place on this blog everyday, or on countless blogs everyday. It’s just that the target was Bristol Palin (who, by the way, isn’t a child).

    Kman (d30fc3)

  5. If only Bristol could have seen a helpful tv ad before she banged Levi.

    *sigh*

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  6. He wasn’t “incensed”. He was making fun in a snarky way, i.e., Bristol and “The Situation” probably aren’t the best spokespeople for teenage abstinence.

    How much time do you suppose Keith Olbermann spends thinking about teenage abstinence? A lot? Enough to have to mention it out of the blue.
    Maybe if we’re lucky, he’ll let us know who is a good spokesman. Or maybe he’s just against the concept in general.

    MayBee (138edc)

  7. MayBee, I have a feeling that Mr. Olbermann is very, very familiar with abstinence as a teenager.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  8. Kman

    if there is nothing hateful about this segment, if its all knee slapping fun… why did he suspend it?

    Also your comment that bristol is not a child is irrelevant to me and even Jon Stewart. Stewart made those comments a few weeks ago, not a few years ago.

    If this was Obama’s daughter, you can be sure that Olbermann would say, “sure, it probably won’t be effective, but she is trying, so let’s give her a round of applause.” The difference between me and hacks like you and olbersnatch is i would say the exact same thing if it was obama’s adult daughter.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  9. ==Bristol and “The Situation” probably aren’t the best spokepeople for teenage abstinence==

    Pat Boone was not available?

    elissa (f0ac9d)

  10. Well if you mean that Olberman could never ever claim that he “got some” as a teenager, you’re probably right.

    But Mr. Worthing, I caught you in a typographical error. Olberman supposedly says in the 18th century that “[John Newton] tells us that he was a retch, and now we should listen to him.”

    With all due respect “retch” is what one does when one mistakenly tunes to the channel showing that wretch Keith Olberman. If one has a strong gag reflex, it’s dangerous to watch his show.

    Mike Myers (0e06a9)

  11. Mr. Worthing…first, thanks for your contributions. They are appreciated.

    Also, the Usual Trolls post what they do, I think, because they want to be a “brave voice in opposition” to what they see as wrongheadedness.

    The ironic part is that they are pretty reflexive about it.

    Some of them are nuttier than squirrel poop. Others just post snarking questions (the quintessential troll), while a few try to be reasonable if in opposition.

    Nothing you don’t know, but I share your frustration with the first couple of categories.

    Elissa: poor Pat Boone. He has become a punch line.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  12. Mr. Myers is correct with “wretch” versus “retch.”

    He is also correct that either apply to Mr. Olbermann: the person and the effect of watching that person.

    Gutfeld had it right about the guy.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  13. there’s a classification of trolls, there are simply those who don’t know any better, next there
    are the nastier uruk hai, who are more abusive, and
    finally the nazgul who spew profanity and release
    confidential information

    narciso (9d0688)

  14. Agreed. The nasty ones are strange: why post here if that is the case? But the human soul can be odd.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  15. That was actually her mother’s message, as a member of ‘Feminists for Life’ yet another meme down the memory hole,

    narciso (9d0688)

  16. I don’t think Bristol needs to be off-limits. She put herself out there, after all.
    I do recall the outrage Olbermann expressed after David Shuster said Hillary was “pimping out” Chelsea when Chelsea was campaigning and calling for Hillary. He’s a total hypocrite.

    MayBee (138edc)

  17. Bristol Palin campaigning for abstinence is like Dick Cheney campaigning against torture.

    Perfect conservative symbol. Abstain for jesus… find someone to watch the bastard while I dance.

    ajb (9df40f)

  18. ajb, You are Keith Olbermann’s dumber younger brother and I claim my five pounds.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  19. ajb, you are the skid mark in Olby’s tighty whities.

    SicSemperTyrannus (09cc33)

  20. Yelverton is a hateful twist.

    JD (ab60db)

  21. ==Bristol Palin campaigning for abstinence is like Dick Cheney….==

    ajb, are you equally as cynical about now recovered ex-drug users speaking to middle schoolers about the dangers of drugs?

    elissa (f0ac9d)

  22. Instead of the “worst person”, Olbermann should be a perennial winner of the “biggest jerk” on tv, but… of course, there are plenty of competitors on MSNBC….but do people without watchers exist on TV?

    jkstewart2 (13b83d)

  23. elissa – you should refer to “ajb” by his proper name, William the midget racist hill jack Yelverton, Professor of Plagiarism and the Skin Flute. Thank you.

    JD (ab60db)

  24. “Republicans have a problem. The most-talked-about figure in the GOP is a reality show star who cannot be elected. And yet the same leaders who fret that Sarah Palin could devastate their party in 2012 are too scared to say in public what they all complain about in private. Enough. It’s time for the GOP to man up. Everybody knows that Palin is a busy woman. The former half-term governor of Alaska stays so busy these days that one wonders how this mother of five manages to juggle her new reality show, follow her eldest daughter’s dancing career and launch her latest frenetic book tour while still finding the time to insult a slew of revered presidents and first ladies.

    Adding audacity to this dopey dream is that Palin can’t stop herself from taking swings at Republican giants. In the past month alone, she has mocked Ronald Reagan’s credentials, dismissed George H.W. and Barbara Bush as arrogant ‘blue bloods’ and blamed George W. Bush for wrecking the economy,.”

    – Former REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN, Joe Scarborough

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45687.html

    ajb (9df40f)

  25. What is your point, Yelverton? Other than the one on top of your head?

    JD (ab60db)

  26. who is yelverton?

    ajb (9df40f)

  27. It is always so cute, and kind of sad, when you deny your own existence.

    JD (ab60db)

  28. delusional, nothng to offer… as usual.

    ajb (9df40f)

  29. His ignorance has a certain beauty to it, yes and
    the same goes for Yelverton

    narciso (9d0688)

  30. presented as one of the sane)

    by which you mean an entertainer, performing a song? Weird, I never saw him designated as sane, but your hyperbolic reaction to him says something about your sanity.

    timb (449046)

  31. timb, then its your claim that Jon Stewart invited an insane person to his rally to restore sanity?

    That’s about typical for your coherence, timb.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  32. “…who is yelverton?…”

    Oh, c’mon, Dr. Yelverton. Smart man that you are, you blew your own cover yesterday.

    Such an angry little man. Despite all the bragging.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  33. All of our trolls have been really wound up the last couple days.

    JD (ab60db)

  34. Gosh, JD, I wonder why?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  35. I’m still utterly baffled as to why I should care what Scarborough thinks?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  36. Mike

    thanks for pointing out my retched spelling. :-) fixed, of course.

    ajb

    Yelverton, besides the usual trolling, i find this line particularly offensive.

    > find someone to watch the bastard while I dance.

    bastard does technically mean a child born out of wedlock, but it is considered generally a pejorative. i consider it immoral to insult a child just for something he or she had no ability to control. You aren’t the only one to do it by a long shot, but it should stop. i can understand on some level the desire to demonize a teenage mother, although I don’t agree with that, either. but demonizing the child himself is just plain wrong.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  37. there’s a fine line between stigmatizing teen motherhood and casting famous teen moms on glamorous dance shows

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  38. Mr. Feet: not helping. But then, I suspect you know that.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  39. Another day, more verbal incontinence from Yelverton.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  40. Adding audacity to this dopey dream is that Palin can’t stop herself from taking swings at Republican giants. In the past month alone, she has mocked Ronald Reagan’s credentials, dismissed George H.W. and Barbara Bush as arrogant ‘blue bloods’ and blamed George W. Bush for wrecking the economy,.”

    I like that Palin is not much of a partisan servant. It helped her govern Alaska well, against entrenched corruption in her own party.

    Only an idiot would demand she be more partisan.

    Palin didn’t mock Reagan’s credentials by drawing a comparison to herself.

    Palin’s strength is 10% leadership and 90% the people who hate her so much being like this ajb dickwad, constantly being dishonest and dirty, condemning Christians or pro-lifers in the most extreme ways, etc. A whole lot of people who aren’t involved enough in the political process love Sarah Palin because they trust anyone who draws that much unjustified nastiness.

    I would prefer someone else lead the conservative fight, but it’s amusing to see Palin’s haters continue to build her up. Should she be nominated, she will be chronically underestimated and constantly impress the middle. She is a legitimate threat and it will be hilarious should she win because it will be entirely thanks to those who wanted to stop her.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  41. if there is nothing hateful about this segment, if its all knee slapping fun… why did he suspend it?

    Why have you avoided the fact that the segment is different now that it’s “brought back”? It’s called “Not Really the Worst Person in the World”, acknowledging the hyperbole of the previous regular segment.

    If this was Obama’s daughter, you can be sure that Olbermann would say, “sure, it probably won’t be effective, but she is trying, so let’s give her a round of applause.

    Yeah, but Obama’s daughter didn’t get knocked up as a teen.

    In other words, he’s not picking on Bristol Palin because she’s, you know, Bristol Palin. There’s an actual point to what Olbermann is saying — hypocrisy. Why is Bristol Palin immune from social criticism and Olbermann (or any other adult in the spotlight) not?

    Kman (d30fc3)

  42. ATTACK HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JD (ab60db)

  43. Kman, right. He’s picking on every teen mother who campaigns against teen pregnancy …

    Really. Like timb, you need to start thinking more about what you write as you type.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  44. I would prefer someone else lead the conservative fight, but it’s amusing to see Palin’s haters continue to build her up. Should she be nominated, she will be chronically underestimated and constantly impress the middle.

    We don’t hate Palin, Dustin. We love her. And we love her because the middle isn’t impressed with her. We want the spotlight on Sarah because (we hope) one of two things will happen in 2012:

    (a) She will decide not to run, dashing the hopes of Tea Partiers who will never warm up to another candidate (and thereby sit out the election)

    or

    (b) She will decide to run and get beaten because she has high unfavorables among independents (not to mention many conservatives)

    Palin is a godsend to liberals, which is why we don’t hate her. Let me put it this way: Imagine Barney Frank having presidential aspirations and how you would be salivating if he chose to run — that’s what Palin means to the left.

    Kman (d30fc3)

  45. there’s a fine line between stigmatizing teen motherhood and casting famous teen moms on glamorous dance shows

    Comment by happyfeet

    Eric, I think happyfeet has a point.

    Bristol’s claim to fame is dubious to say the least. I don’t like that our culture glamorizes the kids of powerful people and those who make nasty public mistakes.

    I see no reason why the world should care about Bristol Palin. I thought that when people were bashing her for making a mistake as a kid, and I think that now as people cheer her by the millions. I just don’t like that our pop culture is empty of greatness.

    Are kids out there getting the message that Bristol’s life was badly marred by her having sex as a kid with a scumbag? I hope they are, and I’m glad Bristol made the effort, but I think the message is that Bristol’s life is awesome.

    I realize it’s unfair to demand Bristol actually be miserable as a warning against bad choices, but happyfeet has a point.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  46. There’s an actual point to what Olbermann is saying — hypocrisy.

    Nope.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  47. Hey, Dustin how was your holiday. there must be something in the water at MSNBC, that induces delusional thinking,

    narciso (9d0688)

  48. My holiday was excellent, thanks for asking. Was your ok?

    I don’t think I got on the internet for a full week, which, for me, is very healthy.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  49. I would prefer being a bastard to being Keith Olbermann.

    Bar Sinister (0d48e6)

  50. In our school system, we have a program that helps teen mothers finish high school and get their diplomas, through a combination of tutoring and child care.

    My wife did a short film about these girls, and had lots of video of these young women, their babies in their laps, saying things like “I love my child, but if I could go back I would have waited to have her.” Most of them made direct appeals to teens to wait until they out of school before they become sexually active.

    I guess kman and some of the others would call them all lying hypocrites. How dare they give good advice, based on their own mistaken experiences.

    Bastards!

    Pious Agnostic (291f9a)

  51. narciso – Alternatively, Assange made Obama and Clinton look like fools so the worst person in the world is Bristol Palin.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  52. I guess any day, he will go into one of those twitching seizures like Belushi would do on SNL,
    which apparently weren’t part of the act

    narciso (9d0688)

  53. narc at 49…

    you have to warn me before you post stuff like that. i nearly choked in laughter.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  54. Kman

    > There’s an actual point to what Olbermann is saying — hypocrisy.

    What is hypocritical about saying, “I screwed up. Don’t do what I did?” I mean isn’t that what people are supposed to say when they do something wrong or unwise?

    So basically you think Bristol should be running around saying, “young girls should have unprotected sex!” Or just that Bristol shouldn’t use her experience as a cautionary tale?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  55. Citing your own mistake is the opposite of hypocrisy. It’s ridiculous to call Bristol a hypocrite.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  56. What is hypocritical about saying, “I screwed up. Don’t do what I did?” I mean isn’t that what people are supposed to say when they do something wrong or unwise?

    You don’t think teens know this already?

    You think there’s a teen out there going, “You know, I was going back and forth on whether or not to get pregnant this weekend, but now that Bristol Palin and The Situation have clued me in, I now know it’s a bad idea?”

    So she’s not telling teens anything they don’t know. But as a role model on this issue, she’s about as convincing as Willie Nelson doing a PSA on not using drugs. I think that’s Olbermann’s point. Perhaps the abstinence people would do better to have some other celebrity do the honors — like, some young 19 or 20 year old actress or singer who DIDN’T get herself pregnant before marriage. I’m sure there are several dozen of them.

    And to the extent that she is more knowledgeable because of her experience, how lovely is that? Hey Trig — don’t look now but Mama thinks having you were the product of some unwise acts, but don’t worry kid because your existence can serve as a “cautionary tale”!

    Kman (d30fc3)

  57. kmart is getting agitated.

    JD (ab60db)

  58. Another analogy fail.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  59. You don’t think teens know this already?

    Of course I don’t. Teens often do not fully appreciate common sense concepts. They are too immature mentally to make decisions about sex with high reliability.

    That you didn’t realize this is no surprise. I bet you’d remember if Aaron took the opposite position, though, right?

    We need more people standing up and showing kids just how serious sex is. It’s not going to reach a point where it’s good enough. Education is an endless concept. I would prefer people everyday kids can relate to, such as those high schoolers struggling to finish their diploma.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  60. Nonsense, Dustin, teen girls need role models like Kim Kardashian to show them that having boyfriends release tapes of their sexual encounters will make them rich celebrities. Bristol’s “hypocrisy” just undermines that fundamentally American media message of success through amateur porn.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  61. BTW, thank you for the advice today, SPQR. That was quite kind of you.

    JD (ab60db)

  62. #58 Kman: You mean Tripp, not Trig. Tripp is Bristol’s son, and Trig is Sarah’s youngest child, except according to Andrew Sullivan.

    Joshua (9ede0e)

  63. Kman

    First, I asked:

    > What is hypocritical about saying, “I screwed up. Don’t do what I did?” I mean isn’t that what people are supposed to say when they do something wrong or unwise?

    And you replied:

    > You don’t think teens know this already?

    Well, first given the teen pregnancy rates, NO, I don’t think they know this. Second, that doesn’t address the question. What is hypocritical about learning from one’s mistakes and teaching other people to avoid doing what you did?

    > But as a role model on this issue

    Um, except the word isn’t role model so much as “cautionary tale.” You even use that phrase later on.

    > she’s about as convincing as Willie Nelson doing a PSA on not using drugs.

    With the small difference being that Willie Nelson does little to hide that he is an unapologetic pothead. And if you don’t believe me, I suggest you watch the last few minutes of the Dukes of Hazzard movie from a couple years back.

    By comparison, she is saying to the world she screwed up.

    > And to the extent that she is more knowledgeable because of her experience, how lovely is that? Hey Trig — don’t look now but Mama thinks having you were the product of some unwise acts, but don’t worry kid because your existence can serve as a “cautionary tale”!

    Yeah, obviously that is a tough needle to thread, but again, what should she say? I am glad I have my son, and therefore you should all have unprotected sex as teenagers?

    By the way, I am sure you will denounce Fantasia Barrino for similar “hypocrisy.” http://celebritybabies.people.com/2009/06/08/fantasia-barrino-if-i-could-have-waited-i-would-have/

    Face it, you and Olbermann just hate all things Palin, which is why Olbermann was such a tool about this, and you are struggling mightily to justify it

    And um, Trig? So you think Trig is actually Bristol’s son, too?

    Wait, are you really Andrew Sullivan?

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  64. alls I wanna do is zooma zoom zoom zoom and a boom boom

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  65. Mr. Worthing, nice catch on EPIC FREUDIAN FAIL™ by Mr. Kman.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  66. So Magic Johnson doing all those don’t-catch-AIDS ads was a hypocrite. Nice.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  67. But as a role model on this issue, she’s about as convincing as Willie Nelson doing a PSA on not using drugs.

    Very well – and since we’re in agreement on this point, Obama is the worst person in the world for the following behaviors that his wife has been endlessly harping about how all of us should never, never, never be doing:

    – eating cheeseburgers just about every day
    – eating ice cream just about every day
    – SMOKING EVERY FRICKING DAY OF HIS LIFE

    So do please go tell Ms. Obama how unbelievably hypocritical her husband is being in view of her crusade, and don’t delay! Go now!

    What a jerkweed.

    Dmac (498ece)

  68. Oh yeah, and he’s also quite fond of fatty deli meats and waffles. Don’t forget the waffles, kmart.

    Dmac (498ece)

  69. Olbermann is a piece of garbage, so not surprisingly, he acts like a piece of garbage.

    Going after a 20 year old girl because Olbermann doesn’t like the girl’s mother? That’s just par for the course…for a quasi-human scumbag.

    The fact that this turd masquerading as a human being has a television show tells you everything you need to know about the MSM.

    Dave Surls (8c139e)

  70. @#24. “Torpedo los.” – source, ‘Action In The North Atlantic” Warner Bros., 1943

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  71. yes, kids are off limits. an 11 yr old is a kid. a 20 yr old is an adult

    ajb (9df40f)

  72. ajb

    Except that Glenn Beck was NOT mocking Obama’s daughters, but instead mocking obama by imagining what they might say to him.

    Btw, are you saying jon stewart was wrong?

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  73. Not mocking Obama’s daughter?

    BECK: (imitating Malia) Why do you hate black people so much?
    GRAY: (imitating Obama) I’m part white, honey.
    ….
    BECK: “Did you plug the hole yet, daddy?” … that’s the level of their education, that they’re coming to — they’re coming to daddy and saying ‘Daddy, did you plug the hole yet?’

    Statement from Glenn Beck on criticizing Obama’s 11 yr old
    (May 30, 2010) :

    “The children of public figures should be left on the sidelines. It was a stupid mistake and I apologize–and as a dad I should have known better.”

    ajb (9df40f)

  74. Keith Olbermann is a snarking millionaire and a useless tool.

    His snark has made him rich. Good for him. That is the American way.

    Some people work, others ply the airwaves. Both sides of the political persuasion find ways to make themselves rich through words.

    Useless tools, though, are usually tossed in the dust-bin with no thought as to why they may have mattered.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  75. ajb, you really should provide a link with the full context. instead, you just cut and paste and deny us a link to where you copied from.

    The context is that a kid was purported to be saying something and Beck was mocking that. It wasn’t an attack on Malia, it was an attack on the lameness of the story.

    You’re a nutcase to compare this to the attacks on the Palin kids.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  76. Four extraneous sentences, Dustin. And the last one’s fourth word on were unnecessary as well.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  77. I’m loquacious. And I can even spell that.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  78. Ah, I see Dr. Yelverton is back again. Gosh, I wonder why? It’s interesting. He has lots of money, an easy job, a wonderful house, and beautiful girlfriend…and yet he posts bile and anger here.

    Something about that doesn’t compute.

    For a guy who claims to be so smart in science (and tried to talk about isotope ratios without being able to define the term “isotope”—hysterical in his self-puffery), he certainly seems to spend time away from the things that make him lucky.

    Maybe all the bragging isn’t, well, real.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  79. According to Obama, the exact words from his daughter were mocked by Beck. Beck attacked ‘the educational level’ of Obama’s kid. He then apologized. Case closed. Those are the facts.

    Hypocrisy and denial are hallmarks of such people like Beck, and his apologists here.

    ajb (9df40f)

  80. More verbal incontinence from yelverton. What a surprise!

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  81. ajb

    also you left out the part where beck apologized for getting even that close to mocking the children.

    Even media matters was honest enough to remember that detail.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  82. Pretty weak, ajb. Time to change your nick again. You’ve got no credibility left on this one.

    Beck’s radio program is freaking hilarious.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  83. With people like Yelverton, it’s usually their feelings of inferiority which lead directly to their intellectual dishonesty and lies and rage at others. If they don’t have the horsepower to have an honest discussion you wind up with the drivel you see him posting here and elsewhere. Pitiful and juvenile.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  84. dustin

    mainly i just listen to his TV show as i play games. i literally have a set up so i can pipe sound from my tivo into a stereo amp, and so while i play games on one channel the tivo is sending sound to my stereo.

    You would be shocked at how many TV shows work almost perfectly as radio shows. law and order is a good example. you can almost always figure out everything that is going on without watching a minute of it.

    Btw, i am currently LOVING Law and Order: UK. except when they recycle old American Law and Order story lines. and sometimes even then. i like the commercial for it. “Its your favorite show… with wigs.”

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  85. Glenn Beck, 11/29:
    “Do you really believe that I could or anybody here at Fox News could just make things up and remain on the air?”

    Same day:

    Fox & Friends reported that a school in central Florida had banned the “traditional Christmas colors” red and green from classrooms. In a statement to Media Matters, the school’s district spokesperson, Regina Klares, has denied this, stating, “There is not a ban on the colors red and green at Heathrow Elementary.”

    http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/seminole-county-school-not-ban.html

    Caught again, slam dunk.

    ajb (9df40f)

  86. ajb

    First, stop citing media matters. They believe in the big lie theory, okay.

    As for your story, fox news reported a story reported on a local news, based on an incident reported by a parent. the school denied it happened.

    So first, Fox didn’t make anything up. Second, you haven’t even proven them wrong. What you have, you nitwit, is a disputed account.

    So follow your actual links and apply a little critical thinking before posting again, Yelverton.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  87. Yelverton – The story did not originate with Fox. Sorry to disappoint.

    http://www.wesh.com/holidays/25904245/detail.html

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  88. Says the hypocrite that just cited Media Matters in comment #83.

    Bullsh!t – they reported an anonymous report without verifying it, and embellished it further, stating explicitly:

    “an elementary school in central Florida banning all things Christmas.”

    It that Aaron Worthings example of excellence in journalism… as he cites Media Matters and 5 comments later, says “stop citing Media Matters.”

    I just kicked your ass again chump.

    ajb (9df40f)

  89. Has anyone been keeping count of the simply amazing level of projection by Professor Yelverton on this blog? The latest is jaw dropping, given his history posting on this blog under various names (and why the sock puppetry?):

    “..Hypocrisy and denial are hallmarks of such people like Beck, and his apologists here…”

    Why, it is almost as funny as a man trying to sneer at people about isotope ratios who doesn’t even know how that relates to the number of neutrons in a given element; the difference between atomic number and mass number, for the people among us who have taken chemistry. As Professor Yelverton has claimed he has.

    Just like his ignorant comments about evolutionary theory.

    His responses when caught in his really quite remarkable ignorance, given his self-puffery? Attacks on the people who skooled him, trying to smear them in various ways.

    Which takes us back to…hypocrisy and denial.

    I’m starting to think that Professor Yelverton is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. Or he has been snorting N-(L-α-Aspartyl)-L-phenylalanine,
    1-methyl ester again.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  90. Oh, and Professor Yelverton is getting vulgar again. My, but he is butch this evening.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  91. “an elementary school in central Florida banning all things Christmas.”

    Reported WESH, an MSNBC station in Florida.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40351581/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/

    Yelverton, how’s my azz taste?

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  92. Looser.

    Double heh.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  93. See, daley, this is what I don’t get. This guy has a real life. I mean, I don’t know about all the bragging stuff, but he is a good musician. I’ve listened to his music. He has many things that he can feel rightly proud about:

    http://frank.mtsu.edu/~yelverto/photos.html

    So why all the sneering and nastiness? And the angry sock puppetry?

    He can spend his time actually doing good things, instead of trying to pick fights? I mean, if he is so sure he is right about things, he should just smile and wish others well and move on.

    Anyway, he is an interesting piece of work.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  94. EB – Like I said, inferiority complex.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  95. Anger, I think, daley. I mean, the guy has some genuine talent. He doesn’t need to be a ginormous jerk posting under multiple names.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  96. Glenn Beck, 11/29:
    “Do you really believe that I could or anybody here at Fox News could just make things up and remain on the air?”

    Interesting read on how Glenn Beck has painted G. Soros as an anti-Semite. Soros – who father disguised the family’s Jewishness with forged documents and fake identities and fled the Communist dictatorship.

    Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/29/101129taco_talk_hertzberg#ixzz16qPFtUOp.

    Glenn Beck:

    “Here’s a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps … [he said, referring to Soros]…

    Soros has helped fund the Velvet Revolution in the Czech Republic, the Orange Revolution in the Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia. He also helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, and Yugoslavia. So, what is his target now? Us. America.”

    Relying on his audience’s naïveté, Beck never mentions that all these uniformly peaceful “revolutions” were against Communist
    or post-Communist dictatorships.

    ajb (9df40f)

  97. I guess when you have an audience that believes a Fox reported story from the Onion is true, you begin to understand the level of gullibility, manipulation, and plain lack of intellect.

    Propaganda merchants, consistently low standards of journalism, an unAmerican hate-filled agenda.

    ajb (9df40f)

  98. Well, somebody has a long history of sounding hateful here. Honestly, dude, are you drunk or something? Chillax, as the kiddies say.

    Why the tough guy business? Too many neutrons?

    Seriously, go enjoy your life. You just post to fight and be offensive to others. But each time you do, you don’t exactly cover yourself in glory.

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  99. Oh, and sorry. I am not Yelverston, subject of your hero worship. I have seen his blog, thanks to you.

    ajb (9df40f)

  100. Ah, so clever: you are not “Yelverston.”

    Except you are; your word choice, link habits, and generally spleen all over the page makes that clear. Don’t make us look at your ISP data.

    Why play games?

    Eric Blair (a27ac1)

  101. I’m trying to figure out what Glenn Beck and Fox News have to do with this.

    This thread is about what a total moral degenerate Keith Olbermann is.

    Stick to the subject, lefties.

    Dave Surls (8c139e)

  102. ajb, claiming to “kick” someone’s ass in an argument reminds me of the amorous ant telling the elephant that he’ll be gentle.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  103. Steve Martin always talks about his work with unwed mother .. by helping them get their start.

    Neo (7830e6)

  104. I just kicked your ass again chump.

    Comment by ajb —

    You’re so embarrassed by your ranting that you have to keep changing handles and pretending you aren’t who you are.

    You can’t let your arguments stand on their own, so you have to proclaim you won. That’s because you lost.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  105. Holy Jeebus, this is a funny thread. Yelverton has so many tells, and has displayed them all in this one thread.

    I call Napoleon complex on ajb/w/yelverton

    JD (822109)

  106. I was able to get much the same take as Say Anything’s pas the Fark admins on Tuesday:

    In his first broadcast after Julian Assange’s Wikileaks dealt irreparable harm to US diplomacy, Keith Olbermann’s Worst Person in the World is … Bristol Palin? (LGT video)

    Dodd (706ab0)

  107. AJB

    > Says the hypocrite that just cited Media Matters in comment #83.

    Yes, to demonstrate you fell below even their low standards.

    > Bullsh!t – they reported an anonymous report without verifying it,

    Which is not making things up, now is it?

    I mean that was your allegation, remember?

    And how do you know they didn’t verify it?

    > “an elementary school in central Florida banning all things Christmas.”

    Seems like a fair summation to me.

    > I just kicked your ass again chump.

    Well, keep telling yourself that. and, um, again? When was the alleged first time?

    > how Glenn Beck has painted G. Soros as an anti-Semite

    He hasn’t.

    > “Here’s a Jewish boy helping send the Jews to the death camps …

    That is factually true.

    > Relying on his audience’s naïveté, Beck never mentions that all these uniformly peaceful “revolutions” were against Communist or post-Communist dictatorships.

    So you are not denying that he is planning a revolution in the United States, but it will be a peaceful one?

    > I guess when you have an audience that believes a Fox reported story from the Onion is true,

    Sorry who are you smearing now?

    Eric

    > Except you are; your word choice, link habits, and generally spleen all over the page makes that clear.

    Not to mention the matching in IP location…

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  108. Aaron – when he denies his own identity, something that is obvious and easily proven, it is rrather curious, no? He has posted under multiple girl names as well. He has also posted at other sites under his “girlfriends” name, and at another that yelverton forced to shut down because of his asshattery, he had the audacity to claim to be his own father.

    JD (6e25b4)

  109. Aaron – I do not know if you have access, but it has posted as yelverton, w, and pam, and now ajb. Is that accurate, or are there more?

    JD (6e25b4)

  110. Wow, JD. This guy makes Glenn Greenwald look like Abraham Lincoln.

    Dustin's Girlfriend, Wife, Mistress, and Ferrari dealer (b54cdc)

  111. Such an angry little man.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  112. Willie the wanker, you racist, hilljack, skin-flue-playing, cat molester if Soros wait’s until after Obama is defeated in 2012, he’ll again be trying to overthrow a post-communist regime.

    ‘Cuz every day he proves he’s doin’ it Lenin style…

    Bob Reed (5f2db5)

  113. It is sad, a bit. What is the most remarkable is how he thinks he is “thinking” when all he does is spit out medimatters and thinkregress and rawstory memes, claiming them to be facts, when they rarely are. His absolute hatred of Christianity and people who do not agree with his extremist views is palpable. He is an arrogant condescending midget who claims the status of an academic for teaching people to strum a uklele.

    JD (822109)

  114. I actually feel sorry for him, JD. I mean, look at the anger and the lack of humor in his posts. He supposedly has loved ones, a career that should make him feel proud and happy. But the immature games, the projection, the changing sock puppetry…

    I hope that he just sees people on the internet as “not human” so he can be a jerk with impunity. I would hate to think *that* is what he actually is, in real life.

    He isn’t a bad musician. That is more than some people get, all their lives. And yet he is bitter and angry.

    As I say: sad.

    Mr. Worthing: thanks for the ISP location. We all knew it was Professor Yelverton, but it is good to have it confirmed. The “Yelverston” thing was supremely immature.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  115. I didn’t catch that he misspelled his own name (in an unlikely fashion, too).

    What an infantile attempt to cover his tracks.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  116. Eric

    Who is this Mr. Worthing? I am Mr. Worthingston.

    (kidding)

    Aaron Worthingston (b8e056)

  117. I just read that this blog is a “sanctuary” for Yelverton because of the world revolving around Jeff Goldstein and our “hatred” for him, thus causing us to all be buddies with Yelverton.

    Reading the comments here, that little fantasy doesn’t seem very reality-based.

    Patterico (c91f38)

  118. Oh, and “good man” times infinity.

    Patterico (c91f38)

  119. at Christmastime we let in light and we banish shade

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  120. I am not Yelverston.

    I work here is done.

    Patterico (c91f38)

  121. Patterico, sorry I didn’t reply to your emails a week ago. I was away from my computer for a while.

    PW is obsessive. I think they are easily more miserable than they make anybody else they seem to be obsessed over.

    It’s really unfortunate. Yelverton obviously isn’t part of their cause, but no surprise someone kooky has some exposure to PW. Are they cataloging the trolls here now?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  122. “I just read that this blog is a “sanctuary” for Yelverton because of the world revolving around Jeff Goldstein and our “hatred” for him, thus causing us to all be buddies with Yelverton.”

    OUTLAW IDIOCY!!!!!!

    It’s always about Jeff, 24/7. All rational thinking, true conservative, classical liberals know this, even when they don’t.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  123. Dustin, nobody is cataloging anything. A commenters noted that a troll that used to infest pw is now doing so here. The idea that there is a link between someone being kooky and being exposed to pw is bullshit as well.

    Yelverton is bugf@cknutz all on his own.

    JD (eb5afc)

  124. Dustin – nobody is cataloguing anything. A commenter noted that a troll that used to infest that site is now doin so here. The idea that there is a link between someone being kooky and being exposed to pw is a steaming pile of cow dung as well.

    William Yelverton is bugf@cknutz all on his own.

    JD (eb5afc)

  125. Patterico – Just don’t let Yelverton screw up your crazy inside party payola, mkay.

    daleyrocks (df87cd)

  126. Dustin – nobody is cataloguing anything. A commenter noted that a troll that used to infest that site is now doin so here. The idea that there is a link between someone being kooky and being exposed to pw is a steaming pile of cow dung as well.

    William Yelverton is bugf@cknutz all on his own.

    Comment by JD

    I respect that you’re constantly trying to hold the line on what’s a reasonable complaint, and I respect your integrity too, and I don’t mean to bother with PW. But I mean what I said. There are some really nice commenters who probably are on PW all the time (as you probably know, I almost never read that blog). But there are some really strange people over there who act really obsessive.

    Jeff G. posted on 12/1 @ 7:50 pm

    ” Funny how that blog has devolved into something of a PW troll sanctuary.”

    Hating me transcends political bounds. Lots of good men over there.

    JD, you read that as someone simply noting a troll from PW has emerged here. I read it as an attempt to characterize the commenters here. I think my interpretation is strong, based on the ‘devolved’ crap and that ‘lots of good men’ crap.

    Jeff’s obsessed, and so are the commenters are his blog. Know how many times they have mentioned this good man meme? Tens of thousands of times. That’s really, really weird.

    Are you a weirdo just because you comment there too? Absolutely not. I don’t mean to generalize that way and I’m sorry if I came across that way. However, there are a lot of really obsessed haters over there. There is a clear correlation between that blog and the kooks here. The reason is that Jeff constantly demonizes this blog and naturally a lot of the crazier folks there are going to wage some kind of blog war.

    I worry I’m just instigating, which is the last thing I meant to do. As I said, a lot of PW’s commenters are good people. They probably know who they are.

    William Yelverton is bugf@cknutz all on his own.

    That’s true. For the most part, he just rambles and has no relevance here.

    Why is PW so concerned with who is commenting here? Why does Jeff think it’s about him? Why can’t they just let it go? I am not asking those questions with an answer in mind. I honestly don’t understand, JD. Seems Jeff is disturbed, easily more like Yelverton. I’m obviously missing the original problem that led to what appears to be a bona fide obsession.

    Anyway, no snark here. I wasn’t surprised when Christoph turned out to be a huge PW fan either. Just my gut being accurate.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  127. PW is a great website I will have you know Mr. Dustin and the commenters are smart and nice plus Mr. buttons is there and also Jeff is a stalwart friend of freedom and he is a staunch ally of liberty

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  128. Can we not get into another Patterico-PW war? Just asking.

    Ag80 (e828a4)

  129. Dustin – Jeff’s response was to someone else noting that. It was one comment in a thread with a single response. Nothing more, nothing less. There is no clear correlation to the kooks there and here. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. That is all of the kooks. Is Patterico responsible for EPWJ being a douchebag? Is he responsible for DSCSA being the king of International Man of Parody? Good Allah, trolls are trolls. That they bounce around from site to site is no correlation.

    JD (eb5afc)

  130. JD, I apoligize. AG80 is right that I shouldn’t even pay attention if it bugs me. We have better things to talk about than some extremely dumb blog war.

    Happyfeet, I had you in mind too when I mentioned that I realize a lot of PW commenters are good people.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  131. thank you sir that is nice of you to say

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  132. Dustin – I need no apology, I was just saying what I thought. It tends to get me on the outs with people, it seems.

    JD (eb5afc)

  133. “It tends to get me on the outs with people, it seems.”

    If anyone has a problem with JD, they need to take a vacation.

    I’m laughing that we’re talking about Bristol Palin at all. I guess I should be grateful she doesn’t seem to have political ambitions.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  134. The new season to Top Chef seems interesting.

    JD (eb5afc)

  135. I am embroiled in a trial and you may have noticed it has made me rather absent from the blog.

    Aaron has been doing a good job, and being busy with other matters has a way of giving you perspective into online matters.

    It is more in sorrow than in anger that I note what follows.

    Ag80:

    Can we not get into another Patterico-PW war? Just asking.

    You might click on this link and browse around the 21,300 Google hits for “good man” on Goldstein’s site. Sure, Google does a lot of double-counting and such . . . but by way of comparison, here is a link to the 110 Google hits for “good man” at Ace of Spades’s site.

    Once again: that’s 21,300 vs. 110.

    Feel free to browse around the links to see that well more than 90% of the references at PW are derogatory references to me, and almost none of the references at Ace’s are.

    So no, we don’t have to have a blog war. At times like this, when I’m very busy with other things, I almost forget what it is all about. But you can spend a while poking around the dozens of pages of links deriding me, and see that there is an ongoing, almost daily war against me, and has been for about two years. Pretty much, I think, since Karl starting blogging here, is the time that I began to notice the tone of hostility that seemed to come out of nowhere.

    There doesn’t have to be a blog war. But it would be kind of stupid for me not to notice that, even when I am completely silent and preoccupied with other things (as I am right now), there is a constant stream of “good man” this and “doesn’t want Obama to fail” that and “loves Yelverton because he hates me” blather.

    Nobody honest who reads me thinks that I want Obama to succeed (Patterico doesn’t “hope he fails”) or that by noting the difference between the political and personal, I think Obama a “good man” policywise. Yet you will find many who now think of me as someone who really just wanted Republicans to get along with him policy-wise, and give him a chance, etc. etc. — all because of a truly OCD constant series of attacks that has lasted, honestly, two years. Again, see the Google search above.

    I don’t think it’s wrong for Dustin to take note if he is inclined to do so.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  136. And I have always thought a lot of the PW people are good people. Used to love Jeff as well, right up until he declared me an enemy, seemingly because of Karl (which it’s not like Karl left there to blog here, for crying out loud).

    If someone knows a realistic way of putting it all behind me, I’d love to know what that is. I have tried every tactic I can think of, and what amazes me is that even when I go into almost complete silence for weeks because I am busy at work, I browse over there in the midst of the silence and still see good man this and good man that day after day after day.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  137. Not that it ever gets old. But still . . .

    Patterico (c218bd)

  138. JD

    Lol, i know what you mean about saying what you think.

    A few years back i was interviewed by a law firm representing microsoft. this was during the big antitrust case a few years back, but the firm wasn’t involved in that matter. So they asked me what i thought about the case.

    So i tried to dodge, “You know, i really haven’t studied antitrust.”

    “Just what do you think?”

    So i inwardly sighed and let them know: “I just think that if windows had some real competition, maybe it wouldn’t crash so much.”

    kissed that job goodbye.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  139. Patterico

    to tell the truth, i don’t even know what the whole feud was about, except that it might have something to do with claims you were not conservative enough or something, or we should support hardcore conservatives or something.

    All i know is i look over at the site and its not interesting or enjoyable. i mean apart from the rivalry thing, it just isn’t.

    Aaron Worthing (b8e056)

  140. y’all could try meeting somewheres for tasty mole and talk about stuff

    that is my suggestion

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  141. ““I just think that if windows had some real competition, maybe it wouldn’t crash so much.””

    LOL LOL LOL

    I have to respect a guy like Aaron who can’t help but be honest with a prospective employer. I bet MS would have been better off with his counsel.

    And I agree with Aaron that PW isn’t appealing to me. I know that comes across as personal bias, but they just don’t have much to offer. I have plenty of cheap shots I could offer, but I don’t really care.

    I remember reading RSM’s (well informed) tips on building your blog’s readership. One of them is to pick a fight. I greatly suspect PW persists in this fight cynically. No one could possibly think the same joke is clever after you have heard it 20,000 times. PW mentions Patterico in some fashion 20 times as often as the Bible mentions Jesus.

    This blog is oddly a sanctuary from the blog war it’s supposed to be a part of, which is why I apologized. People who still find this interesting are not here.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  142. Oh, come now, you can’t hate the ‘dillo, can you, although it’s in witness protection. Dimwit and
    Yelverton swarm the place, like replicators from Stargate (btw; they’ve murdered that franchise) but
    I get cursed at for rendering an opinion, there isa dadaist absurdity, imagine we actually have to defend the incandescent lightbulb, you can’t make this stuff up, yet there was an outsized focus on someone putatively on our side. I was reminded that
    Mssr. Bennett, made as much a fool of himself that
    fall, as feets has done on a certain subject

    narciso (9d0688)

  143. I don’t know, happy. The last time I got crossways with someone I thought I respected, and tried to work it out privately (in a conversation that, I was assured, was private), the conversation ended up being published — on your friend’s site. And linked to repeatedly, time and time again.

    The e-mails contained nothing I hadn’t said publicly many times — that’s how I operate; everything I say, I stand behind, in private or public. So in a way you could say no big deal.

    But that sort of thing does not lay a foundation of trust that would have to undergird the type of solution you propose.

    Meaning, I don’t think it’s particularly realistic. It sounds nice. Just not realistic.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  144. mmmmmm Mole Rojo

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  145. PW mentions Patterico in some fashion 20 times as often as the Bible mentions Jesus.

    I’m actually a category there. With my real job title and everything (which is evidently relevant to something, as often as it is repeated). Misspelled name, to be sure — but still. A category.

    I think a lot of the posts in that category are probably about how obsessive I am.

    Performative irony, I think it’s called.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  146. I like that mole sauce. Only learned about it in the last year or so. But it sure is yummy.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  147. PW has been – at the best – fundmentally and intellectually dishonest –

    EricPWJohnson (2925ff)

  148. to tell the truth, i don’t even know what the whole feud was about, except that it might have something to do with claims you were not conservative enough or something, or we should support hardcore conservatives or something.

    I honestly don’t understand it myself. Here is a synopsis of one of the “disagreements” to illustrate my bafflement. Jeff says unexpressed intent in legislative interpretation can be “dismissed”; I say unexpressed intent in legislative interpretation can be “ignored” and that we are saying the same thing, albeit perhaps in different language. I get a series of 40,000 word lectures about how I don’t understand anything, and also I really do but am deliberately lying about it.

    Or something.

    As I say, I don’t really get it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  149. The Rocky Mountain Blogger bash crowd can’t figure out what happened to PW and Jeff either. We had a long conversation about it at the last get together … went circular.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  150. Patterico

    oh, please tell me its not that stupid.

    but i trust you enough to believe it is probably true.

    its always weird what people get hung up on.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  151. Aaron:

    That is just one example, but it is one of the most perplexing. I can go back and read the various arguments, and many of them are me saying “Aren’t we saying basically the same thing here?” and getting responses that I can’t make sense of — except for the parts that say I don’t understand, and that I do and am lying about it.

    He has said it is fine, for example, for Alaska to take votes intended for Murkowski and count them as Miller votes if the intent to vote for Murkowski is not properly expressed (“signaled”) and the ballot would appear to be a vote for Miller to any reasonable observer.

    To which I think to myself: isn’t that basically what I have been saying all along?

    But I am assured in lengthy personal attack-screeds that it is not. And who am I to interpret my own arguments, anyway?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  152. And who am I to interpret my own arguments, anyway?

    Actually, Patterico, the above is actually the best summation of the dispute.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  153. No, this little semantic game, about appearances, on the ballot. which came ex post facto, was what we had to suffer through 10 years ago, I imagine Kish was here too, I had more of a ringside seat, that I’ll go into more detail about sometime. Most every liberal cause celebre, global warming, the plight of the innocent “Gitmo shepherds” poor Valerie Plame, it’s all a lie, the towering statesmanship of Joe Biden, the raging Iraqi ‘civil war’ it’s all a lie. You have chronicled this, and still it doesn’t sink in, the Journolist purveyors should be like Andromeda;
    yet we give them any credibility.

    narciso (9d0688)

  154. And who am I to interpret my own arguments, anyway?

    Actually, Patterico, the above is actually the best summation of the dispute.

    It has a lot to do with it. Many times, I have been told by the intentionalists that my own interpretations of my own words were wrong.

    For example, when I expressed the opinion that Christine O’Donnell’s pickanick on a bloodstained Satanic altar was going to hurt her, I was told that I was labeled Tea Partiers as religious zealots. I said: no, that’s not what I’m saying; I’m saying low-information voters, primarily “independents” (read: people who don’t follow politics much) will use it as an easy way to label her and laugh at her.

    Yet the intentionalists insisted that their contrary interpretation was the right one. You just “have to know how to look.” And so my arguments about what I myself was saying were discarded as irrelevant.

    Later, the very same argument of mine was recharacterized as a concern that the left would laugh at us. Nobody even blinked at the (equally invalid) about-face.

    The one thing that never happened: that my own interpretation of my own words was given any serious consideration.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  155. No, this little semantic game, about appearances, on the ballot. which came ex post facto, was what we had to suffer through 10 years ago, I imagine Kish was here too, I had more of a ringside seat, that I’ll go into more detail about sometime. Most every liberal cause celebre, global warming, the plight of the innocent “Gitmo shepherds” poor Valerie Plame, it’s all a lie, the towering statesmanship of Joe Biden, the raging Iraqi ‘civil war’ it’s all a lie. You have chronicled this, and still it doesn’t sink in, the Journolist purveyors should be like Andromeda;
    yet we give them any credibility.

    Sometimes I think you have gone to the gary gulrud writing school. I sort of follow a little of this.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  156. It’s very clear, if they try to present an argument
    for subjectivity, it’s a sign they are cheating. If
    every outlet is touting a new cause, chances are it’s a fraud, a lie, or a simple distortion. Whenever you handle anything from Huff Po, TPM,
    Politico, realize they are pushing an agenda, always

    narciso (9d0688)

  157. Well, thank God that Kman & ajb have come along to defend Olbermonkey’s latest hatred-of-all-things-Palin rant.

    Icy Texan (7d0369)


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