Iran Releases Americans In Prisoner Swap
[guest post by Dana]
It is being reported that Iran has released four U.S. prisoners in a prisoner swap. For its part, the U.S. released 7 Iranians being held on sanctions-related charges:
Iran announced Saturday that it had released four Iranian-Americans as part of a prisoner exchange with the United States, a move that came as the United States and Iran were negotiating the final steps before the expected lifting of oil and financial sanctions related to its nuclear program.
*Roughly $150 billion…
Further:
Obama administration officials confirmed the prisoner-swap arrangement, calling it the result of diplomacy that intensified after the nuclear deal had been reached last July.
“Upon the conclusion of the nuclear deal we were able to accelerate our efforts,” one senior administration official said.
The dismantlement, mandated by the nuclear accord reached last summer, was finished within the past day, as Iran rushed to get the sanctions relief before elections next month. But swapping the prisoners — including a Washington Post reporter held on vague charges — also removed a major irritant between the United States and Iran.
The prisoners released include Jason Rezaian, The Washington Post’s Tehran correspondent; Amir Hekmati, a Marine veteran; Saeed Abedini, a pastor; and Nosratollah Khosrawi.
Interestingly:
Officials in Vienna said that the prisoner swap and the nuclear deal were related, but only loosely. Mr. Kerry clearly wanted to be able to tell many critics of the deal in Congress that he had gotten more than just the nuclear concessions; he wanted to make the case that the new channels of communication between Tehran and Washington were proving fruitful in other areas.
He argued last week that his relationship with Mr. Zarif helped resolve the case of the 10 American soldiers who were arrested after their two boats went into Iranian territorial waters. Now he can say that the prisoner swap, which has been the subject of secret negotiations for months, was another benefit.
–Dana
Good morning. And certainly very good news for the prisoners and their families.
I’ll leave it at that for the moment.
Dana (86e864) — 1/16/2016 @ 10:45 amStarting here on the previous thread, narciso suggests that the taking hostage of the 10 sailors was a guarantee that the swap would go through:
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 10:59 amhttps://patterico.com/2016/01/15/donald-trump-the-very-embodiment-of-ted-cruzs-observation-about-new-york-city-values/#comment-1814761
more hostages would mean even MORE good news
failmerica lol
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 10:59 amMy immediate gut read upon hearing this news was “Oh no, another Berghdahl deal.”
If early reports are accurate (always a huge area of doubt) then we did a prisoner swap, exchanging criminals convicted of real crimes for hostages.
There’s a reason it’s a bad idea to negotiate with terrorists, and that applies even moreso to the terrorist regime in Teheran.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:02 amSo, little by little the facts emerge. There was no mechanical failure and no navigational error, the refueling boat failed to arrive leaving the 2 American boats adrift and sitting ducks for the Iranians.
Just like Benghazi this has the fingerprints of Obama, Valerie Jarrett, and (this time) John Kerry all over it.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:24 amI must have missed this in the NYT report:
Dana (86e864) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:31 amKeep your friends close and your frienemies hostage.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:34 am/me tosses the BS flag…
everything this fascist regime says is a lie.
redc1c4 (2f1084) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:39 amA Convenient Setup.
n.n (498413) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:42 amMan, that John Kerry’s something. So courageous! Such a mashed potato faced charmer.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:52 amJohn Kerry: next Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Dana (86e864) — 1/16/2016 @ 12:00 pmthis is gonna make the perverted saudi royal trash act even *more* twitchy and erratic
they have nobody to sit with at lunch anymores
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 12:02 pmDana, I have friends who are bragging about how “well” this was handled “without a single shot.”
I suspect that they would call nuking Tel Aviv “enhanced opportunities for urban renewal.”
These friends of mine are progressive, pro-gay, pro-feminist…but they will not tolerate bad words about Iran.
It’s weird tribalism, not intellectually moored thought.
What a world.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/16/2016 @ 12:04 pmSo, little by little the facts emerge. There was no mechanical failure and no navigational error, the refueling boat failed to arrive leaving the 2 American boats adrift and sitting ducks for the Iranians.
So the captain of the refueling ship, his executive officer, and at least one petty officer, were in on the conspiracy, too. I think I know how they were suborned. Obama found out about their illegal adoptions of Irish children in South America and blackmailed them with it.
You know, that Obama is turning out to be a real insidious saboteur and I can relate personally because I went grocery shopping without lining my hat with tinfoil and bought eggs but forgot to buy ham and I thought I picked up an apple pie but when I brought it home it turned out to be a peach pie because the mind-bending rays from the basement of Obama’s house in Hyde Park clouded my mind because Obama has secret shares in a peach plantation in Indonesia and he does not want me to eat ham because he is not only a Muslim but also a closet vegan like Adolf Hitler who really loved animals and was originally from Dusseldorf which is the word for Detroit in Medieval High Schwabian and Detroit is the epitome of limousine liberalism which Obama learned from Reggie Love while illegally betting on college basketball games.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 12:06 pmThere is an app for that, nk.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/16/2016 @ 12:44 pmnk wins.
Leviticus (c3e73d) — 1/16/2016 @ 1:04 pmnk, that has to be one of the finest run on sentences I’ve ever read. Kudos! And as a bonus it made perfect nonsense. Kudos again! I am laughing my butt off.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/16/2016 @ 1:12 pmThank you, all.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 1:20 pmReggie, Reggie, Reggie
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 1:59 pmnk @14, there may not have been a refueling ship. Other reporting mentions a refueling stop.
Either one makes just as much sense. There are after all Saudi ports along the way where these boats could have pulled in.
Joke about tin foil hats all you want. The fact is the various stories spewing forth from this administration about how those ten sailors, on two boats, make zero sense. It’s the opposite of sense. The Navy has operated in the Arabian Gulf, Persian Gulf, whatever, for over half a century. The USN simply doesn’t operate this way. As I’ve said in previous comments, if this happened due to incompetence then everyone from the Fifth Fleet commander on down must have been lobotomized.
I’ve voice my various objections to the “official” explanations on other threads. To everyone’s relief I won’t rehash them all. But why were there only ten sailors on those two boats? A standard Navy watch is four hours on, eight hours off. These RCBs apparently stand port and starboard watches, which means there’s only one other sailor on the boat that relieves you. So you’re looking at 12 on, 12 off (And, if you’re interested, during those 12 hours “off” you do your day job; a port and starboard watch schedule is fine for small boats that spends a day or so at sea but on larger ships that deploy for months at a time it means you’ll be exhausted and on your knees within a month).
But these boats weren’t manned with enough sailors to relieve anyone at their stations. I suppose the best analogy would be to air travel. Would you want someone who has been sitting in the pilot and copilot seat for 30 hours landing your the plane you’re flying on? Airlines are required to have relief crews for a reason. Fatigue and the resultant inattentiveness cause mishaps. Same goes for the Navy.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2014/01/03/pilot-fatigue-mandatory-rest-new-faa-rules/4304417/
Do you think the crew of these small boats would be any less fatigued, given the pounding they would take from anything less than a glassy smooth sea? Yet they were supposed to go 30 hours or so and not make any mistakes.
Actually stopping for fuel makes more sense in this regard than UNREPing for fuel, as you could also rest the crew in the protected waters of a harbor. But I digress.
There’s so much more I could bring up. Look at my past comments on other threads if you care to. The bottom line is that if you wanted to lose two boats to the IRGCN, this is how you would do it. From beginning to end it’s like they were planning to lose these boats.
How do these dots connect? Do these dots connect? I don’t know. I just know someone is
lying to me.
But I do know this. The Iranian “hardliners” (as if any other kind of Iranian holds public office) are saying the seizure of these two boats and their ten sailors is a message of warning to the “troublemakers” in Congress who would reimpose sanctions. And Prom Queen and his spokesholes are touting the release of these sailors and these hostages as a result of the same sanctions relief brought about by the nuclear give away.
So they have the same interest in this regard. Cementing and making permanent the Iranian nuclear surrender.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:09 pmNuthin’ from nuthin’, but Obama and every sh*theel he has working in his administration just plain suck. There is no escaping that conclusion, no matter how much tap dancing you do.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:10 pmI’m sure it would seem that way to the clueless.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:10 pmSimon… with friends like that, who needs the funny papers or comic books.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:12 pmLeviticus, forget the Navy stuff about watch standing. FARs, or Federal Airline regulations, requires aircraft to have one relief pilot on flights between 8 and 12 hours. Two relief pilots for flights over 12 hours. One of those pilots APIC (Acting Pilot in Command) qualified to relieve the pilot in command or captain.
Would you be comfortable flying in a plane belonging to an airline that gives the finger to those regs? H3lls no! No relief pilots on flights of 15 to 30 hours.
Because I wouldn’t have been comfortable in any way approving or God forbid joining with this 300nm boat movement from Kuwait to Bahrain. In fact I would have raise holy h3ll.
Can you please explain how any other position is sane?
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:32 pmthe important thing is our sailors learned an important lesson in self-abasement, and they got home safe
all the other failmericans would be wise to learn from their example
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:41 pmOur sailors have been getting plenty of lessons in self-abasement through the courtesy of the SAPRO and DEOMI. Among others.
They really didn’t need any more from the Iranians.
Perhaps is they had received lessons on the Code of Conduct, 3M, and weapons training this
wouldn’t have happened.
But priorities. Obama priorities. You’ll be glad to know your Navy is in the process of being exorcised and cleaned of the threat of the gender specific pronoun when it comes to naval
ratings.
After all, according to Prom Queen ISIS isn’t an existential threat. But judging by his actions the chance that a woman will suffer the indignity of becoming an Aviation Ordnanceman or a Corpsman is.
Thank you, America, for driving home the point I wasted my time. I can hardly wait to be denied my pension because illegal aliens and Syrian “refugees” take priority.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:57 pmDon’t bother Steve, nk and his poodle are content to know little and cackle in the dark. Never wise up a sucker, they don’t like it.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 2:59 pmif we gave them ted cruz it was a fare trade! if we added ann the man coilter we made a profit on the deal!
xeke (0711be) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:12 pmropelight, I still want to hear how Leviticus, or nk for that matter, learned everything they needed to know about conducting operations in the NAG in law school.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:16 pmNeither one could distinguish between flotsam and jetsam without googling. Or know how to tell a boatswain from an airdale, or unravel CINCPACFLT.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:23 pmwell they caught on, but this is still early,
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-prisoners-exclusive-idUSKCN0UU0WS?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:31 pmConcur wholeheartedly, red. Remember the old 1970 movie Nam’s Angels? Biker gang becomes guerrilla fighter unit.
Yeah, this is what it would look like in real life. Hand the keys to a couple of three million dollar boats to untrained gang members. And s*** just happened. And we’re supposed to belieber it.
Nobody who has ever been there is buying anything this administration is saying.
How the dots connect, or even if the dots connect, I can’t say. But I can say there are an awful lot more anti-American dots out there since Tiger Beat became preezy. And he seems happy about that development.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:35 pmTrump was like totally cool with Obama’s approach to the Middle East until just a few years ago.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 3:35 pmhttp://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=18257
It’s extremely odd that when you look at the pics and video of the captured crew, the only one smiling is the one identified as the commander. CDR Mooney, CO of the San Francisco, was by all accounts a good guy, a conscientious and detail oriented skipper, and the result of Admiral’s mast was that while he was relieved of command he finished out his twenty and retired at his present rank.
Because what he did could have happened to anybody. Given the charts. This is an example of
*** happens. But not the capture of these two crews. That s*** did not just happen.
It will be very interesting and telling to see what happens, if anything, to this CO.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:16 pm“Neither one could distinguish between flotsam and jetsam without googling. Or know how to tell a boatswain from an airdale, or unravel CINCPACFLT.”
– ropelight
To be fair, people mostly just google Navy stuff for all the jokes. You Navy folks are like lawyers!
Well, not exactly like lawyers – the lawyer jokes are about lawyers *being* dicks, vs. … well, you know.
Leviticus (c3e73d) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:16 pmSomewhere… beyond the bottom of the sea
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:19 pmthere’s a lawyer… waiting for me
I believe I was the one who mentioned a tinfoil hat – it was aimed at myself, not you, Steve57, if that was what you (or anyone else) thought. I am sincere in saying that you had the right of it. Also my assessment that it had to do with a trade involving hostages. So it was hostages for hostages instead of arms for hostages – no dif for this administration. The sheer queerness if it all is bearing us out, don’t you think?
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:22 pmzeke from
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:24 pmCabinSh*t CreekLeviticus @35, I’m not just “googling” Navy stuff.
Look, maybe my suspicions are unfounded. But I found among all the supreme weirdness of this
evolution the fact the identified commander of this two boat movement was the only guy grinning on the videos and pics.
He’s the last guy who should be grinning. Even if he gets out Iranian captivity, naval law and custom requires he go before a Board of Inquiry. And by his own admissions he needs to be convicted by Court Martial.
Maybe there’ll be a board of inquiry. Maybe it will recommend Court Martial. Maybe he’ll be convicted.
But so far, if you know, things have been very, very weird.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:33 pmThe Navy does not operate this way? Hey, I was around another time when it was in the Persian Gulf, swaggering around like a Quentin Tarantino character. It lost 37 crewmen on the USS Stark and then brought down a civilian airliner killing 290. In operations against Iran. On behalf of Iraq. And on behalf of the Saudis and the oil shippers. Hell, yes, the Navy operates this way. Like a bunch of juvenile delinquents put in charge of multi-million dollar boats and weapons systems.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:35 pmIt’s weird tribalism, not intellectually moored thought.
What a world.
The left has made this pact with the devil of Islam and Iran and it is hard to explain. I guess Salmon Rushdie could explain it as he was a leftist who go zero support when the Iranians put out hit on him for his book. You know who offered him refuge and help ?
He makes light of it but he was saved by the hated Margaret Thatcher.
At least he appreciated her help and still is grateful for the help.
Salman Rushdie says he remembers Margaret Thatcher with the same complicated feelings he had for her while she was alive: disagreement with her politics, but gratitude for her support when he was forced into hiding in 1989 after Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini called for his death.
“She had a great life, and offered protection for me when I needed it,” said Rushdie, interviewed Monday morning during a promotional tour for the film adaptation of his Booker Prize-winning novel Midnight’s Children.
His leftist friends did nothing.
If a critical mass of Muslims get here and start doing what they are doing in Cologne, the left will have to ask for help from those they hate. I doubt they have it in them,.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:36 pmI brought up CDR Mooney for a reason. CDR Mooney saved his ship. He was still relieved.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:37 pmHell, yes, the Navy operates this way. Like a bunch of juvenile delinquents put in charge of multi-million dollar boats and weapons systems.
Well, I guess ink’s Navy does. The people I know don’t but most of them are pilots and Marines.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:37 pmyes, back then we were tacitly fighting on behalf of Iraq, against Iran, the enemy of our enemy, but some of our new Baathist pals didn’t get the memo,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:44 pmIn deferrence to nk @40, I refer you to:
http://www.casematepublishing.com/dlc/9781935149361/America's%20First%20Clash%20with%20Iran-Ch01.pdf
He would have you believe we haven’t learned a d@mned thing since the USS Stark. 30 years, and we’re just too stooopid, aren’t we, sailors?
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:44 pmis this your card:
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-First-Clash-Iran-1987-88/dp/1935149369
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:50 pmI think in spite of nk’s strategic brilliance, Richard Fernandez has the best explanation of what Obama and Kerry call “strategy.”
Like the doomed loser of the Battle of the Bulge, Obama does not seem to believe in arithmetic. He believes in drama. In historical pivots. The Iranian “nuclear deal” is being heralded in the rapturous style of a game changer. Obama may arithmetically be everywhere on the retreat. Iran is $150 billion richer, ISIS a little bigger, Syria a little more wrecked, Europe a little more overwhelmed. But none of this matter if the administration can create a ‘new atmosphere’. Newsweek notes that American contingency planners preparing for a Russian invasion of the Baltics note “that there are fewer U.S. forces in Europe today than there are policemen in New York City.” But this won’t really matter, if Obama can make the sympathetic connection.
Eli Lake at the Chicago Tribune describes the price for these magic moments. ISIS outhouses are off limits in Afghanistan. “There are real restrictions about what they can do against the ISIS presence in Afghanistan,” according to Mac Thornberry, the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.
Those sailors would never have been allowed to shoot back. They were chess pieces in Obama’s “three dimensional chess” his advocates were always talking about.
David Petraeus also understands it.
At present, however, the modest number of U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan operate with one hand tied behind their backs — at a time when Afghan forces, though fighting hard, are struggling. That should be changed. We should unleash our airpower in support of our Afghan partners in the same way that we support our Iraqi and Syrian partners against extremists.
At present, U.S. and NATO airpower in Afghanistan is used only to attack validated al-Qaeda targets, to counter specific individuals or groups who have attacked coalition forces previously and to respond directly to attacks on coalition forces. According to leaders on the ground, U.S. and NATO forces are otherwise not allowed to attack Taliban targets. The situation appears to be in flux in regard to Islamic State elements, but through 2015, they too could be targeted only under narrow circumstances.
Fernandez puts it that we are not allowed to bomb ISIS outhouses.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:54 pmAfter I commented I discovered the link no longer works. Fortunately I downloaded book.
nk and Leviticuse would have you believe, I suppose that us knuckle dragging “juvenile delinguents” aren’t capable of learning from events. We aren’t capable of conducting risk assessments, developing countermeasures, improving damage control.
We’re just all hopeless juvenile delinquents.
Believe who you want.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 4:57 pmAre those the Marines that photographed themselves peeing on Taliban corpses, Mike K?
Anyway, that some refueling ship captain and officers was in on the White House conspiracy to get these boats and sailors captured was not my suggestion. It was ropelight’s tinfoil-hat suggestion. ropelight is deep in Alex (sic) Jones’s Locker on a lot of conspiracy theories.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:00 pmpeepee selfies ay caramba
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:01 pmyes back in the 80s, he called Maggie Magpie, and had the same unhinged reaction that the nutroots have had in the 00s, yet she let bygones be bygones,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:07 pmTo emphasize…
nk would have you believe us “juvenile delinquents” have been incapable of learning a d@mned thing in 30 years.
On the other hand I’ve been saying the Samuel B. Roberts, the Stark, Praying Mantis, Market Garden, Game Warden, Leyte Gulf, et al have been part of my syllabus practically since I drew my first breath of air.
My father being a USCG Radioman Senior Chief.
Who are you going to believe?
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:09 pmI apologize for my awkward phrasing. Obviously Market Garden, Game Warden, or Praying Mantis didn’t take place before I took my first breath. I meant they were part of a long string of maritime operations that began before I was born.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:13 pmIf you care to read the book I downloaded when it was available for download, it’s here:
http://www.amazon.it/Americas-First-Clash-Iran-1987-88-ebook/dp/B004DI7R3S
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:18 pmI believe I have to go back to the Jewel and get that ham, and maybe an apple pie (although the peach was not too bad).
But I totally agree that we should send out $100 million dollar planes, piloted by personnel it took $10 million to train, to drop a $1 million worth of bombs on outhouses. It makes no sense to focus those operations on enemy command centers, weapons dumps, vehicle depots, and troop concentrations.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:18 pmdaddy tell me a boat story
daddy tell me a story about the boats
i promise to listen attentively and to go straight to bed directly thereafter
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:18 pmi hear costco has good ham but i let my membership go
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:19 pmSorry, narciso, I missed your comment. Yes, you have it. But it used to be available online and I downloaded it.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:22 pmWhat are we arguing about??
If these 2 boats and all of those in the chain of command above them were incompetent enough to get lost or run out of gas,
a whole bunch of people need to get bounced out.
“They” couldn’t even keep their story straight this time, unlike “the film”,
was it mechanical failure, was it running out of gas, was it cloudy so they couldn’t see the stars when the batteries ran out in their GPS?
I don’t think that is the case.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:27 pmWhat is the case, I have no idea.
As I said before, maybe after one or more people in the know part from the service, maybe we will get a “13 Hours” like spilling of beans.
So, you want a bedtime story of how a sailor got horribly burned?
That’s more than sick.
I’ve got an inventory if you care to hear, but I don’t consider them fit for children.
Not unless you consider flesh coming off in your hands as you try to help sailors emerge out of hatches as you try to them escape burning engine compartments childrens’ stories.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:30 pmIf the Obama Administration can systematically strip American guards from the Diplomatic Mission in Behghazi, reroute the Ambassador to Benghazi instead of returning to Tripoli as originally planned, turn back rescue forces already on their way, and issue stand down orders to prevent help from coming from Tripoli or initially from the CIA Annex. Then blame the attack on a video tape, and lie to the parents of the honored dead…
Wouldn’t it be consistent with their MO to pull back on a fuel delivery, or simply supply incorrect rendezvous coordinates?
Wouldn’t that fit in with “mechanical problems” and “drifting into Iran’s territorial waters?”
nk, I don’t wear a tin-foil hat, nor have I ever listened to Alex Jones, I know who he is, that’s about all the association I have with the man. You’ve been trying to paint me as some sort of kook for quite a while now. You look for opportunities to take cheap shots.
Here’s a little something for you to chew on: an excerpt from Kipling’s Tommy
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:37 pmno that’s definitely not a proper bedtime story
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:37 pmAlex Jones does stupid conspiracies, like the ‘lizard people running the world’ guy, David Icke
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:45 pmI don’t know about anyone else, but what I’m arguing about is that if I’m to believe what happened actually happened, it’s like Fifth Fleet threw the entire book out and instead adopted the philosophy of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
You know, the part where they said “f*** it,” held hands, and jumped off a cliff.
I’m arguing I have more than a little trouble believing this.
As is always the case, your good sense and your good faith shines through. So I needed to give an honest answer
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:48 pmBut I see your point, Doc. It’s good news these hostages have been released.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:53 pmYou look for opportunities to take cheap shots.
Today, for sure. After you told DRJ to put down what she was smoking on the Chump thread, you get no respect.
But tell our fellow commenters how a White House/State Department order can make a Navy refueling ship leave Navy “Tommies” high and dry without a long chain of corrupt Navy personnel, high, middle and low-ranking, and necessitating threats and blackmail to force them to forsake their duty and their fellow sailors.
Or just go off on a tangent with another piece of doggerel. I request A.E. Housman — far superior t Kipling as a poet.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:00 pmis super-cheap to join prime today
i tried to use that link to renew but it’s just for if you’re not a member already
happyfeet (831175) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:18 pm#61
ropelight, you’ll eventually learn that comments you write at blogs are archived and available for people to read twenty minutes later.
Some of your self-aggrandizing denials and protestations are not of merely Orwellian proportions, but rather of OBAMA fortitude.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:23 pmoutside of high castle and bosch, is that still on, what else is worth it?
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:23 pmThe internet is your friend, happyfeet. You don’t need Amazon for anything. My shopping from Pink, Forever 21, Sports Authority, Nike, Macy’s, K-Mart, Home Depot, and other places, was direct from their websites. (Only Macy’s and Home Depot gave me free shipping, though.) And I prefer EPUB to Kindle for a reading format. Prime is a trap to make you buy into the Amazon culture.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:29 pmSteve57 (17e737) — 1/16/2016 @ 5:48 pm
We agree,
the given (changing) explanations are unbelievable.
It seems self-evident,
arguing about it is like arguing whether ice is cold.
What did happen, hopefully one day we will find out.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:29 pmnk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:00 pm
I have no idea what happened, and the WH making the boats run out of fuel does seem far fetched.
If you ask me, what happened was that the Iranians captured 2 boats without justification and without resistance because the chain of command was told not to resist.
But no one wants to say that.
Just like no one wanted to say what happened at Benghazi.
MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 6:33 pmHas anyone seen coordinates for the seizure point? Or at least a specific location other than “near” Farsi island?
I’m having grave doubts as to whether or not those boats were in Iranian territorial waters. The most recent excuse, which is that an expected refueling vessel did not arrive, is total and utter bunk. In order to believe it, one would have to believe that commanders of both boats scheduled a refueling rendezvous just outside Iranian territorial waters AND arrived at the refuel point totally empty, and then drifted into Iranian waters. Oh, and just to make it even better, they’d have had to START the voyage with half empty tanks: the craft pictured were CB90s, which have a range of 250 miles at 20 knots. They are claimed to have been heading from Kuwait to Bahrain. It’s approx 260 miles from Kuwait City to Bahrain (less if from south of there in Kuwait), which they could have done via either refueling or slowing down. Also, they’d need to be about 40 miles off course to come close to Iranian waters around Farsi island.
Maybe we could go back to the former excuse, that one of the boats had mechanical trouble? That requires the belief that neither skipper thought to do what any boater would do; toss over a rope and tow.
And one more problem; Farsi island is located about halfway between Iran and Saudi Arabia, in mid-gulf. So, any course from Kuwait to Bahrain would be between Saudi and Farsi island (a direct route would be far closer to the Saudi coast than the island). So, would someone mind explaining to me how, exactly, those boats, once adrift, managed to drift upwind and up current toward Farsi island to enter Iranian waters? (the wind was out of the WNW that day).
I smell a rat.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:05 pmnk, DRJ claimed Trump had a cozy relationship with the media.
I questioned the assertion:
DRJ explained:
That made sense to me and I understood the point. We both moved on. The cigarette quip was an attempt at humor. So far, you’re the only one to object. Maybe DRJ will offer an opinion.
Here’s my take: an exchange that didn’t involve you is now your excuse for attacking me. You’re on the prod, out to nitpick me in revenge for what? A mild joke? Even you aren’t that nutty.
Are you a self-appointed Rescue Ranger? Protecting others without even being asked. A volunteer avenger? Or just another jerk making up excuses to justify the stupid habit of attacking people who disagree with you?
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:19 pmropelight, this is a blog for discussing and debating political issues. If you feel the kitchen is too hot, then kindly accept the exit over to your right. (Although, in your case, it’s probably to your LEFT.)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:35 pmBut please don’t play the victim card. And don’t embarrass yourself by playing the “Why are you asking me tough questions—is it because you’re a secret Hillary Clinton plant!?” card.
ACJ-
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:47 pmBig stinking rat…
The White House/State Department making the boats run out of fuel (your allegation) is not a nitpick.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:53 pmIt’s a condemnation of the Navy chain of command down to the petty officer in charge of the refueling ship detail.
Notwithstanding your Stand With Our Troops poeticising.
DRJ is nice.
I’m not.
Her comments are a breath of fresh air.
She has not commented here for a while.
That was the first thread she commented on when she came back.
She didn’t need that level of badinage from you or anyone.
Mocking badinage.
In my view.
Which is what it is on my part, too.
Badinage.
Mocking badinage.
Not revenge.
At the level you set.
CS, I wasn’t aware you were in charge here. Patterico says what this blog is for, not you, unless you’re taking over and I haven’t got the word yet.
But, if you’re the same lying asshole chasing after me, looking for cheap shots like nk, and acting like a big shot, then please, consider taking your own advise.
And, BTW, you quote me in #75:
I do recall asking if someone in authority here would take a look at you to determine if you tend to show up around election time (I recall someone almost as obnoxious as you with a similar shtick during the last election cycle). But I don’t recall writing
Please identify where I wrote the words you quoted. Or are you trying to put your words in my mouth again?
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 7:54 pmWOW! Cardinals make a most improbable TD.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:01 pmYep, felipe, reminds of the Immaculate Reception.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:04 pmthe story clearly doesn’t hold together, and in light of certain events, it seems even more fanciful, note they didn’t give up Namazi, and aren’t even admitting Levinson is alive, the closest to to a Powers figure in this story,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:05 pmYeah, ropelight. I saw that live. Packers are choking. A couple of first downs and Green Bay is done.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:10 pmLook again, Cardinal’s coach just outsmarted himself. Packers are going to get the ball with 2 minutes on the clock and no times out.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:14 pmNow the Cardinals are choking. Not a pretty sight. I might not be so much a game won as lost.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:14 pmyou’ve got fast fingers, rope.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:15 pmropelight, in the past couple days, you’ve attacked nk, DRJ, Colonel Haiku, Leviticus, Charlie Brown, Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II, me, and Mother Teresa with foul language and low-class redneck truck driver insults.
Do your medications need adjusting?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:16 pm(…reasonable people do have questions.)
OOOH, first time Rodgers goes down.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:20 pmA lot of no-calls in this game.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:20 pmMe too, asswipe, I asked you a question at #78:
How about it? Are you going to answer the question or not?
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:23 pmSorry, felipe, I got sidetracked by a cockroach. 5 seconds left, Hail Mary on the way.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:24 pmTD or not? felipe, you make the call. I say TD.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:27 pmOMG!! I am a GB fan, what do you think?
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:28 pmMay sharia law teach traitor ryan and his women a lesson.
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:29 pmhttp://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/01/15/gop-hid-amnesty-promise-in-spanish-language-sotu-response/
Two miracles in a row? fingers crossed.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:29 pmTied at 20 up. We’re going to overtime.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:30 pmTied. Where are my heart pills?
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:30 pmhttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/16/paul-ryan-funds-visas-300000-muslim-migrants-house-republicans-give-standing-ovation/
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:31 pmMay sharia law teach traitor ryan and his women a lesson.
Incredibley…
A 60 yd pass,
Then a hail Mary…
More improbable than a navy boat running out of gas…
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:32 pmA coin flip replay????
Quite a game.
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:32 pmCoin-toss controversy! LOL! Tempers are hot.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:32 pmDid you see what I saw?
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:36 pmOh yeah.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:37 pmTurn out the lights, the party’s over.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:38 pmcongrats cardinal fans.
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:41 pmyou have a great team.
Yeah, Carson finally got his first post-season win. Congratulations to all Cardinals fans.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:43 pmThat was a great call to shuttle-pass it to Fitzgerald. Unexpected.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:45 pmY’know what? Larry’s interview convinced me to root for the Cards next week. He seemed emotional and humble – a lot of heart. I respect that.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:49 pmG’night all.
felipe (56556d) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:50 pmropelight,
Your nutty lies about what other people say and your paranoid denials about what YOU write, as well as your silly predictions about football games are…well, nutty, silly, and paranoid.
You even misquoted that particular Beatles song we were discussing the other day.
Good Lord, what’s next—are you going to claim that the classic film “Casablanca” took place in Marrakesh?…or Cleveland?!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:52 pmR.I.P. Ted Marchibroda
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:55 pmc.s.
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 8:56 pmare you a mother superior?
Sorry, I was watching the game.
“Are those the Marines that photographed themselves peeing on Taliban corpses, Mike K?”
I don’t know but I would be happy to give them a drink so they could pee more on them. The British used to bury Afghan fighters under pork bellies and that is what I would do.
I assume you hate western values and would prefer to live a multi-culti life in Syria or Libya ? Go for it !
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:11 pmIt’s not Christoph; he was a Trumpeteer. Lovie?
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:11 pmmg, I just like having fun with ropelight. He takes himself sooooo seriously. And of course, he denies having written half the things that he writes, even though people cut & paste his quotes. But that’s half the fun—right? Trump is an entertainer. And so, too, are his acolytes.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:11 pmCS is Chicken Shit:
The question is still right here in front of you CS: it’s at #78 and #89.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:16 pmOf course, it might seem to you that I’m asking a tough question. LOL.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:17 pmI have a comment in moderation. I called CS Chicken Sh*t. Then repeated the question at #s 78 and 89. I also asked if he was too cowardly to answer.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:21 pmNo, America is my country. I claim ownership. (Of my little piece of it, at least.) And I’m not afraid of the changes and challenges it faces. It’s not a retirement home.
nk (dbc370) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:22 pmSo you just randomly showed up here claiming to be a Cruz supporter?
JD (b3cb62) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:22 pmoh.
mg (31009b) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:22 pmropelight, there isn’t anything tough about your goofy questions. It’s just your dodgy, evasive, Clinton-esque answers that leave people saying, “Huhhhhh???? Whattttt????”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:23 pmThen answer the question. Or admit you’re a phony jackass.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:27 pmI see lots of tap dance and double talk, but no answers. Are you still here?
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:29 pmCS, this is a poor showing. Ted Cruz wouldn’t make stupid statements then run and hide. I’ll bet he’d be ashamed of you if he knew what you were doing in his name.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:31 pmMaybe you’re suddenly in ill health. I can’t wait around anymore. Have a glass of warm milk.
ropelight (c6d308) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:35 pmIn an Oscar-nominated performance by someone claiming to be an honest person, ropelight said in a thread on Friday, January 16, “CS, I never said Cruz had divided loyalties. That’s another of your straw men.”
But literally ten minutes earlier, ropelight wrote, “You’ve got a problem there CS, for days I told you repeatedly, maybe as many at 10 to 15 times that I thought Hillary, Cruz, and Rubio all suffered from divided loyalties or the potential for them.”
———————
Seriously, ropelight, you claim you never claimed that Ted Cruz had “divided loyalties,”…except that’s precisely what you claimed to have told me TEN OR FIFTEEN TIMES. Either you don’t understand the basics of how internet threads are preserved, or you’re totally schizo. Either way, your relationship with truth and accuracy is compromised. In other words, you’re a liar—but a talented one!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/16/2016 @ 9:50 pmWtf?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/16/2016 @ 10:53 pmWhen IS/ISIL/ Desh was chopping off heads and crucifying “the wrong thinkers” as instructed by the Koran, the vast majority of Muslim were not heard from. If we, the USA Military were to do the exact thing to those we viewed as ” wrong thinkers” the worlds Muslims would scream from every Mosque but soon retreat home. Islam is not a moral or ethical ideology. So lets starts offing them and stop worrying about what they believe, think or might do. Cut off enough heads and the cowards will stay at home and only beat their multiple wives. Islam is the problem. Read the Koran and tell me I am wrong. I have done so.
highpockets (66b04b) — 1/16/2016 @ 11:35 pmmother superior jumped the gun
mg (31009b) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:40 ammother superior jumped the gun
Reuters gloats:
Israel licks wounds as Iran sanctions end, looks to future U.S. aid
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 7:22 am129. $100 Billion and quadrupled oil sales will be devoted first to disemboweling the Sauds, reducing Arabia to “burning fields of pitch”.
http://shoebat.com/2014/03/17/actual-literal-islamic-human-slaughterhouses-christians-discovered/
“This is the reality of Islam, it is a pagan and utterly depraved and sadistic religion. It takes the soul of a man and purges any remnants of human affection from his very being.
The anteroom of end of the age.
DNF (755a85) — 1/17/2016 @ 7:48 am$100 Billion and quadrupled oil sales will be devoted first to disemboweling the Sauds, reducing Arabia to “burning fields of pitch”
i’m cool with that
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:09 am125. Anyone who needs more than once to destroy in rebuttal someone accused of idiocy is doing a really sh!tty job.
No regard for you.
DNF (755a85) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:10 amThose videos should be shown to every person who believes we have some sick obligation to allow moslems in America. This is all they have ever brought with them wherever they went throughout history and now they’re here. Throw them out, now.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:10 am131. Yeah and the DC phuckwits sit on their hands, would be nice.
DNF (755a85) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:12 amNew day, same old misdirection from Chicken Sh*t. Answer the question asswipe, or admit you made up the quote you tried to attribute to me. It isn’t exactly plagirism, it’s worse.
A plagirist takes the words of others and claims them as his own. But, you take your own words and attribute them to me in a direct quote. See #s 78, 89, 115 if it ever makes it out of moderation, 117, and 122, 123, and 124 (my personal favorite).
That’s gross dishonesty. Yet you seem proud of your misbehavior. Up thread at #114 you admitted attempting to provoke me (by lying and false accusation) for your own sick amusement. Why – because you claim I take myself sooooo seriously. Now, how’s that for a useless twisted little puke’s way of annoying others.
Sooooo, Chicken Sh*t, you’ve shown your ass. You’re nothing but a stupid blowhard, full of false accusation, meanness, and self-revealing idiot rationalizations.
Now for your phony accusation repeated ad nauseaum (most recently at #126):
Notice how you failed to highlight the last few words? You know, the ones that apply to both Cruz and Rubio: …or the potential for them.” (divided loyalties)
But you already know that. And so do I.
Now how about answering the question you Chicken Sh*t annoying stupid little coward?
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:15 amcruz is so divisive
this is how i know he doesn’t walk with the Lord and Ronald Reagan like how Mr. The Donald does
i’m afraid he’s gonna tear america apart
where dem pups
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:19 amI respect Ted Cruz. He stands tall, talks the talk and walks the walk. Not like Chicken Sh*t the coward responsible for undermining support for Cruz by his towering dishonesty and silly lilliputian obsessions.
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 8:36 amhttp://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/a-note-on-the-hostage-deal.php
Powerline is reporting that one of the Iranians traded had an extensive resume of hacking US Military secrets
joe (debac0) — 1/17/2016 @ 9:04 amsandersnista oy! a man of the proletariat! you want he should give you new car? free college? is good, no?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/17/2016 @ 9:17 amIf an administration wished to help an enemy every step of the way, what would it have done differently?
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/06/04/Fog-War-US-Has-Armed-ISIS
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/17/2016 @ 9:22 amA Sunday Grudge Match Fight To The Death, ropelight?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/17/2016 @ 9:24 amI’m up for it, but since my main antagonist has already thoroughly disgraced himself there’s not really much of a point left to address. He’s a low down two-faced belly crawlin’ yellow dog.
Besides, others have begun to lose patience. (For that I apologize) For me, this has been deja vu all over again. Seems I’ve been down this dead end street before.
I’ll take a wild guess and suggest that Chicken Sh*t just might be an asshole I’ve crossed swords with before. If he’s from Iowa then I’ve got him nailed.
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 9:54 amropelight-
mg (31009b) — 1/17/2016 @ 10:12 amMy home ground is 22 miles north of the iowa Mn. border. What they call the Iowa Great Lakes is a disgrace to all other lakes. 2 1/2 pint sized ponds. Iowaegians are 1 corn row short of a bushel.
mg, I usually like the people I meet from Iowa, I grew up next door to a fine Iowa family. Now, I live in SW Florida and again next door to an extended farm family’s winter home. Over the period from Thanksgiving to Easter about a dozen families occupy the property. They are without exception kind, generous, and intelligent people.
But, the other side of the coin was revealed on Dana’s old blog Common Sense Political Thought. A couple of scumbag Iowa assholes misbehaved so egregiously that Dana had to ban them, shut down his blog, and open again under a new name: First Street Journal. Incidentally that’s about the same time Perry got himself banned.
Anyway, Chicken Sh*t’s shtick is so similar I get the feeling he just might be one of the Iowa assholes. I could be wrong, but the MO is damn sure the same. If he’s not one of ’em he’s a sister under the skin.
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 10:27 amI’m pretty sure we’re going to need a dedicated NFL thread today. I’m watching the Carolina/SeaHawks game and it’s interesting enough to be worthy of comment, and there’s another game to follow. So, how about it?
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 10:42 amSeattle is getting creamed. Carolina is sky high.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/17/2016 @ 10:57 amYes, indeed. Panther love…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:01 amWOW! I just tuned in. 24 to ZERO? what a blow out.
Yikes! Now it is 30. Dead team walking….
felipe (56556d) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:03 amThe Carolina line has pushed the Seattle line all over the place. Wilson seems to have adjusted and gotten some yardage but the coverage is too good and he does not have enough time.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:33 amSmall boat operators don’t work this way. Or didn’t.
http://fas.org/irp/program/core/jmcis-tm.htm
I had to look it up. Things keep morphing, mostly because the services need to justify budgets. In a past life I worked with a crew that operated the MAST before it got folded into JMCIS-TM, It was essentially a headquarters unit for harbor defense.
Harbor defense basically involves constructing a 360dg dome over a harbor. Landward side you have the Army and Marines, overhead you have the aircraft of all the services, and when and where things get wet you have large and small boats of the Navy and Coast Guard.
So while I wasn’t a small boat operator myself, I’m familiar with how they work. And what we’re being told isn’t it.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:35 amif the persians compromised the starboard aft side’s floating mechanisms what assist in buoyancy and propellering then there’d probably be trace evidence of this left inside the shafts of the (possibly) compromised communication/targeting units i think
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:44 amplus i’m making beans
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:45 amGo Seahawks, go…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:49 amI’m not going to lie to you all. I have no idea what the h3ll this cannon or gatling gun is.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/US_Navy_111207-N-PC102-143_The_crew_of_Riverine_Command_Boat_%28RCB%29_804%2C_assigned_to_Riverine_Squadron_%28RIVRON%29_1%2C_conducts_patrol_and_interdiction.jpg
I’ve fire lots of guns. Never that.
But I do know a couple of things. One, I know a weapon when I see it. And I know when it isn’t there. Maybe my eyes are bad, but I don’t see that weapon or any other remotely controlled weapon in any of the pics or videos the Iranians released. Maybe someone with younger eyes can correct me, but I just don’t see it.
Two, I know why it’s important. The crew inside the cockpit would operate them. Which means A) they’re gyro-stabilized maximizing accuracy considering you’re shooting from one moving, rocking platform to another and B) nobody has to expose themselves to enemy fire. The boat is armored. As long as everybody stays inside they’re protected to a large degree from the small arms of the IRGCN.
All I know is what I’m being told just doesn’t make sense.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:59 amSometimes I wish I could get back into watching football. Al Davis and too many years overseas in the far east soured me on the sport. Monday Night Football was Tuesday Night Football unless you watched the live feed at early AM.
Superbowl parties were kinda fun. You gathered at the O club at something like 4:00 AM to watch it on a Monday morning, live. Then later you showed up for work. It’s against naval regulations to be drunk on duty. But one time a year as long as it wasn’t too obvious and you weren’t a hazard to safety of a vessel the DADT rule applied.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:25 pmcruz sounds like an idiot drama queen
i’m so over him anymore
this whole idea that roll-over kneel-down cowardly failmerica is somehow worth wasting a nuclear bomb on is hilarious
it’s so funny i forgot to laugh
HAHAHAHAHA
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:28 pm(i remembered at the last second)
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:29 pmYes, it’s almost hilarious. Yet I can’t find anything funny about it. CAIR is a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group. The testimony and exhibits the DoJ presented at the Holy Land terror funding trial (which ended in convictions, if anyone is keeping score) confirms this. CAIR, Hamas, and the MB are one and the same.
And the Democrats invited CAIR to the SOTU. And if you want be called names like bigot, racist and Islamophobe, join me in pointing it out.
It’s all so funny I forget to laugh.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:49 pmjulian castro is a lot of things but easy on the eyes isn’t one of em
he’s not just ugly he’s a very particular and specific kind of ugly like that smarmy prissy kid you hated in high school
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:52 pmMr. 57 we’re very close to that point where we have to tend to our own gardens and hope for the best but plan for the worst
and the worst is gonna be really really sad and a lot of people are gonna be grievously hurt in these dark days what are upon us
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 12:53 pmI can’t tend my own garden, Mr. Feets, the EPA declared it a federally protected wetland.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:08 pmPlus my own garden doesn’t bake gay wedding cakes, which despite 200 years of precedent is now a violation.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:09 pmwell you’ll just have to suck it up mister
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:11 pmMy ten gauge says I don’t have to suck anything up.
My 1917 naval cutlass and my K-Bar confirm this assessment.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:16 pmok well use your best judgement
this is a song about a gringo honeymoon it’s called “gringo honeymoon”
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:18 pm*judgment* i mean i did a misspeller there
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:18 pmThis is an Elvis impersonator and a reggae band singing Lead Zeppelin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CO7FPU7a2g
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:26 pmit’s good for absolutely nothing ladies and gentlemen
happyfeet (831175) — 1/17/2016 @ 1:37 pm‘
love it
#155, Steve, looks like it might be an M230 chain gun.
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 2:33 pmThanks, ropelight.
I think some of the information I possess is still valid.
For instance, I was on active duty when COMMIDEASTFOR morphed into a numbered fleet. And I was still a reservist when Naval Coastal Warfare was dismantled and the first rays of what became the Naval Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC) started to eke out like the sun over the eastern horizon.
And this most recent incident has me thinking, WTFO?!?!! Did you not get the package we gave you at the change of command?
Or, it’s worse. I’m leaning toward it’s worse.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 3:11 pmIf I wasn’t clear, I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on a weapon I haven’t fired let alone one I never knew was in the inventory.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 3:19 pmThe following is from William Hamilton, JD, PhD, Central View dated 1/17/16. Best overview I’ve seen yet.
ropelight (bb228b) — 1/17/2016 @ 4:18 pmGood find, ropelight.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:01 pmI would add that helos have largely made these boats obsolete.
Sit down and go through the intellectual exercise. What are you trying to do? What can do it?
When is the last time you heard of an SH-60 providing this much drama? (Yes, I know the Marine Corps helos colliding off Hawaii; the mission is dangerous and so is training for it.)
What can a small boat give you that a helo can’t? The answer will be, sometimes, something. Making the case for the small boat. But a lot of times the helo comes out on top. I’m not for eliminating the small boat from the inventory. Just for a shake-up that leans more heavily on aviation.
Steve57 (17e737) — 1/17/2016 @ 11:38 pmUS military releases 1st account of sailors’ Iran detention
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 8:12 amLike I said before,
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/18/2016 @ 8:24 amI’ll wait until some of those involved leave the service.
the same centcom, that was caught ‘fixing’ the progress against islamic state,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/18/2016 @ 8:26 am