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11/14/2015

ISIS Claims Responsibility For ‘Gun Violence’

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:11 am



[guest post by Dana]

Less than 24 hours after President Obama claimed that ISIS has been “contained”, we learn that’s not quite accurate:

President François Hollande of France said on Saturday that the Islamic State was responsible Analysts said that the nature of the attacks was more in keeping with actions of the Islamic State than with those of Al Qaeda, and the timing and extent of the celebration expressed online by the group’s supporters added weight to the claim.

“Eight brothers, wrapped in explosive belts and armed with machine rifles, targeted sites that were accurately chosen in the heart of the capital of France,” the group said in the statement, “including the Stade de France during the match between the Crusader German and French teams, where the fool of France, François Hollande, was present.”

“Let France and those who walk in its path know that they will remain on the top of the list of targets of the Islamic State,” the statement added, referring to the attacks at the Bataclan concert hall and several districts in Paris.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the gun control crowd is worried about that sort of “gun violence” happening here. From an actor, to CNN, to a group of moms, the attacks are being shamefully politicized without laying blame where it squarely belongs.

It boggles the mind to realize the full absurdity of the situation when one considers that while radical Islamic terrorists have been forging ahead and terrorizing the West, some leaders still refuse to call them what they are and wrongly assume that “This is an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share.” Most obviously, all of humanity does not share the same values.

Look, I know it’s tough, but we must not let the horrific massacre of 127 individuals and the wounding of another 180 by radical Islamic terrorists distract us from the very real threats and distressing concerns we here face today: a lack of gun control, climate change, and the hurt feelings of a miserable lot of children on our college campuses. Priorities, people.

–Dana

102 Responses to “ISIS Claims Responsibility For ‘Gun Violence’”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. Dana, there are people to whom narrative is everything. And because of this, we see jaw dropping silliness that the folks who feel that the Paris atrocities have “taken away” from the Mizzou business.

    Why?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

    Remember, we let folks like this into power, and this is the result: a focus on narrative uber alles.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  3. The question becomes, Simon Jester, just how massive and deadly must a terrorist attack be for reality to slap people awake? Because the horrific terrorist attacks in our recent history don’t seem to be doing the trick.

    Dana (86e864)

  4. Why do they do it?

    Because it is in their nature.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  5. Our enemies could destroy an entire city and progressives would find a reason to appease instead of attack. We learned that about them before WWII and nothing has changed since then. The last war progressives willingly fought was WWI. It was the war to end all wars, and they meant it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  6. Sadly, Dana and DRJ, it has to follow their Narrative.

    Because to stamp out white cisgendered heterosexual racists who are rich and privileged would be a war they would get behind, no question.

    Strange world.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  7. instead of watching insipid failmerican cable news about terrorisms last night we went over to latinicity

    we got a little overwhelmed by all the different choices in the food hall so we scooted into the sit-down dinner place in the middle

    we did a tasting menu and had a really great time – if you go and want something a lil less elaborate i thought the crab salad was the best thing I’d had in awhile, and they have a signature eggplant with goat cheese dish that was really special as well

    out in the food hall you can get a hamberguesa where it’s just the beef with chorizo and cheese on top like i had when I was in brooklyn – dying to try that – this place is right off state in the loop which is where i always feel the happiest in the city

    macy’s has it’s red cup street decorations up and it’s magnificent

    they had an arty gift shop with some neat things but they didn’t do a very good job communicating the value proposition so i couldn’t tell if the stuffs were priced right, but i love that they had an arty gift shop

    and i wonder how much dessert they’ll sell with magnolia bakery right downstairs

    happyfeet (831175)

  8. Male proggies are just a bunch of manginas.

    How could a woman want to spread her thighs for them?

    Michael Ejercito (d74b61)

  9. *its* red cup street decorations up i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  10. Michael Ian Black who? Every time I hear a “celebrity’s” name and do not recognize it the least little bit, it makes me feel happy. Like “that’s a disease I never had” kind of happy. Or “I didn’t step in that dog poop” kind of happy.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. I don’t know; progressives have seemed pretty enamored of war to me. From Woodrow Wilson to FDR to Harry Truman to LBJ to Clinton and now Obama, progressives have been willingly fighting wars.

    Wars are really legitimate only when necessary. We were attacked on 9/11. Paris was attacked yesterday. But what has been going on in Syria, where we pick and choose enemies and sometimes arm virtually the same people we were fighting yesterday — I think I’m with Trump there. Let them kill each other.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  12. Wilson was WWI and he did want war so he could end war forever with the League of Nations. And was Truman a progressive? As for the rest, they wanted power, not war, as evidenced by the way they waged it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. Hey, Mr. President! Now do you still consider ISIS a junior varsity?

    Bill H (2a858c)

  14. “We cannot let those who seek to disrupt our way of life succeed. We must increase our efforts at home and abroad to improve our defenses, destroy terrorist networks, and deprive them of the space from which to operate,” Rubio said in a statement.

    vapid poofs gotta vap i guess

    happyfeet (831175)

  15. Except for Bernie Sanders, all of the Democratic and Republican Presidential candidates offered prayers in response to what happened in Paris. I’m not sure they all meant it but I will take them at their word. So tell me again this isn’t a Christian nation or, at least, a Christian electorate.

    DRJ (15874d)

  16. Catholic Charities in New Orleans started accepting Syrian refugees last week, with more on the way.

    DRJ (15874d)

  17. Ted Cruz offered prayers in response, and this:

    America must stand with our allies against the scourge of radical Islamic terrorism

    Dana (86e864)

  18. Cruz also called to halt bringing Syrian refugees into the United States:

    “We must now face the facts. Between the downing of the Russian jet over Egypt and this massive coordinated attack on Paris, we are seeing an unmistakable escalation of ISIS’ ambitions and the scale of their terrorist attacks outside Syria and Iraq. Even as chaos rages in Paris, we need to take immediate, commonsense steps to preserve our own safety. We need to consult closely with our NATO allies who may be targeted for additional attacks. We need to immediately declare a halt to any plans to bring refugees that may have been infiltrated by ISIS to the United States. We need to redouble our efforts to prevent ISIS agents from penetrating our nation by other means.

    “Such steps, however, are defensive reactions to an enemy that will continue to try to attack us until they succeed once again. We must immediately recognize that our enemy is not ‘violent extremism.’ It is the radical Islamism that has declared jihad against the west. It will not be appeased by outreach or declarations of tolerance. It will not be deterred by targeted airstrikes with zero tolerance for civilian casualties, when the terrorists have such utter disregard for innocent life. We must make it crystal clear that affiliation with ISIS and related terrorist groups brings with it the undying enmity of America—that it is, in effect, signing your own death warrant.”


    How is that not a reasonable response in light of yesterday?

    Dana (86e864)

  19. To think anyone can eliminate ISIS isn’t realistic. It only
    takes a couple of dozen people to pull off an attack like
    Paris. All you can ever do is minimize the threat.

    JEA (f5a284)

  20. Don’t forget to watch the Dem presidential debate tonight. The pandering to Islam will be unprecedented. And should be made into campaign highlight reels for the right…

    Beasts of England (a97a9e)

  21. I don’t think this word “contained” means what Obama thinks it means.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. Mr. Trump says we need to stop letting ISIS sell oil to where they don’t have as much money to do the terrorisms

    stupid idiot god i hate him

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. On one of the threads dealing with the foolishness at CMC, an Alum recalled a debate between Harold Rood and some fumbling lefty. NBC covered the event, and even provided student protesters with professionally prepared signs denouncing Rood. I mention this because Rood was a terrific professor, and he had a very realistic view of the world. His book, Kingdoms of the Blind, foretells almost everything we are seeing today.

    The paradox that confronts us is that our public discourse is based on the belief that it is our own failings that have caused the world to become what it is. This has led to any number of nonsensical beliefs that purport to link our lives with the misery of others. Perhaps as many as 1/4 of Democrats believe that if you drive a SUV, you are responsible for refugee problem in Syria. How so? These fools, ignoring the beheadings, crucifixions, mass executions by machine guns, executions by bombs, executions by knives, death by starvation and dehydration, ignoring all these and more, these fools think that the world is getting warmer, resulting in drastic climate change that is driving mass “migrations”. The “migrations” are real. But there is no evidence that the world is getting warmer, indeed the latest projections of Solar activity are pointing to another Little Ice Age in the next few decades. But never mind, if the actions of our parents and grandparents, and all those rascally Tea Partiers creating discourse and anxiety in our nation’s leaders, are to be held responsible for today’s events, we need to suspend disbelief, as though we’re watching the latest Bond film.

    And our response to this folly is to continue to elect “leaders” who simply exploit these silly beliefs to enhance their personal power and prestige. We have a president who proclaimed that the oceans would stop rising upon his inauguration, and for the few who laughed and shook their heads at this hubris, millions more cheered, believing the world’s problems would soon be solved. And when reality set in, the solution has been to blame “it”, meaning all the unpleasantness in the world, on the 1% who have managed to navigate the cartel-infested waters of our economy. Ignoring the truth that the wealthy are successful largely because they have purchased the cooperation of our “leaders” in creating reefs and shoals that protect them from competition.

    While we delude ourselves about the issues and our leaders, our enemies rightly judge the qualities of both. Just as Hitler took the measure of Chamberlain, Baldwin, and the French, and found them wanting, ISIS views the West with cold calculating eyes, and concludes we can be taken. Their assessment of the leader of France, the fool of France, François Hollande, is accurate, and useful to them in their aggression. They have said similar things about our administration.

    We are faced with a crisis of confidence. European and U. S. leadership appears to be working in an alternate universe. A place where men want to become women. A place where giving money to welfare recipients is said to generate net benefits that far exceed the resources squandered on the idle. As a result, these leaders spend an inordinate amount of time exploiting these bizarre concerns, while neglecting the simplest of responsibilities, like balancing a budget. Or naming our enemies.

    One can understand the public’s lack of trust in European leadership following WWI. Over ten million young men were machine gunned, poisoned, immolated, and blown to pieces due to the folly of their leaders. But the result was that they elected even more feckless men to lead them in the 1930s. And this is not forgivable. Likewise, there is nothing that we can name that will excuse us for electing our current set of “fools”. We let a few lefties take over our universities, and with that platform they “deconstructed” history leaving our children with nothing but ashes as a cultural inheritance. Trump is just a symptom. Let us hope that the rest of our body politic is experiencing a rise in temperature as the infection spreads and poisons accumulate. We’ve face worse problems in our countries history, and we’ve had similarly dysfunctional leaders in the Democratic Party. The question is will we find a leader who operates in the same world as our enemies, or will we find some delusional operative who continues to exploit our mindless retreat into fantasy.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  24. But what has been going on in Syria, where we pick and choose enemies and sometimes arm virtually the same people we were fighting yesterday — I think I’m with Trump there. Let them kill each other.

    I have no idea why any of the EU/European do-gooders, enamored of fighting global warming but generally into a “we are the world” anti-war philosophy, are so much more bothered by Syria’s Bashar al-Assad compared with his foes to the point where such do-gooders happily want to arm his opponents, ISIS, Al-Qaeda or otherwise.

    A principled form of isolationism looks better and better to me as each year goes by, and one would think a bit of that would seep out of the left instead of the right, particularly from avowed leftists like France’s current president. But many liberals of the Western World aren’t worth a damn even in at certain instances when one assume they’d finally be worth a damn.

    Mark (74fce8)

  25. Read JEA’s comment 19. That is how progressives think. It is a surrender mentality.

    DRJ (15874d)

  26. Less than 24 hours after President Obama claimed that ISIS has been “contained”

    which was exactly two weeks after ISIS killed 224 people on that russian jet

    president food stamp is a lil too eager to minimize the puissance and reach of his terrorist friends i think

    he just ends up looking like a silly vagina

    happyfeet (831175)

  27. Progressives aren’t cowards but they can’t stand disappointment or criticism. They would rather fail than be wrong.

    DRJ (15874d)

  28. if failmerica was a starship food stamp would be wesley crusher

    happyfeet (831175)

  29. OT: I haven’t seen any comments by elissa in the last month or two. I hope she is ok.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  30. her and daley are both unaccounted for Mr. Bob

    happyfeet (831175)

  31. I guess it depends on what one means with those words.
    I agree that expecting elimination of all terrorist attacks is a bit much,
    But to “minimize” the threat does not mean to use minimal force as Obama does, but to actually do what is necessary to minimize the risk as much as possible.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  32. That is what Bush did by fighting terrorism in the Middle East, md, instead of in the Western nations. How many progressives (as opposed to liberals or Democrats) supported that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. I think Elissa has been gone for several months.

    DRJ (15874d)

  34. Progressives aren’t cowards but they can’t stand disappointment or criticism.

    I personally avoid using the word “progressive” for liberals or leftists because “progressive” has an oddly positive ring about it, and there’s little that’s positive about most liberals, more so in the 21st century than ever before.

    As for all the liberals who react with such indignation towards criticism of their ideology, I’m fairly sure they believe their gut instincts originate from the warmest part of the human heart and therefore, because such biases are always wonderful and beautiful, they should not be made to give the upholder of such emotions look wrong, bad or stupid.

    Mark (74fce8)

  35. I agree with you DRJ

    Progs run foreign policy by what they think will best improve their domestic partisan politics, which often is not the same as the nation’s interests.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  36. I’m not sure but the last time I remember her commenting was in late July.

    DRJ (15874d)

  37. Mark,

    I think it’s an important distinction. Not many (yet) but some liberals disagree with things Obama says and does. How many progressives will ever do that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  38. And the only reason most liberals will disagree is to support Hillary.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. More bad press for the open-borders crowd.

    Maybe now people will think twice about listening to the Pope on immigration.

    Alan (d1f364)

  40. I can’t wait to hear what the Dems have to say about this tonight at the infomercial…I mean debate.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  41. I agree that expecting elimination of all terrorist attacks is a bit much,

    That’s the type of thinking I don’t understand. We did eliminate 100% of all attacks by Nazi’s and Jap’s, didn’t we? We did it by destroying the enemy. But to do that one must first state who the enemy is. Terrorists, Islamic terrorists, Islamic radicals, Hamas, SIS, ISIL and the other 30 names of assorted organizations are not the enemy. The enemy is Islam and it has been for over a millennia. Islamists believe it is their duty to make the entire world Islamic. Tell me how you compromise with people who want you either dead or moslem. Tell me.

    Our “leaders” are importing Islamists into the West and into America. They are deliberately killing us and our culture and our country for the same reason these leftists destroy everything else: they hate America, Christians, Jews and Freedom. Why am I the only one who sees this?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  42. DRJ, if by “progressive” you mean a person who is an “independent liberal,” or less partisan than a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, then that label does have meaning. However, I still favor descriptions like, for example, “ultra-liberal” or perhaps “squishy liberal.” Most people on the left that I’ve observed who are unhappy with Obama and Clinton is because such major Democrats are perceived as too capitalistic and traditionally greedy or aren’t leftwing enough (eg, not being against the Iraq War or not embracing SSM from the beginning).

    However, there is a small group of liberals who are bothered by issues of mendacity and lack of integrity, but such people seem less common today than in the past.

    Mark (74fce8)

  43. NPR is reporting that at least one of the terrorist groups were using a rented volkswagen that had been rigged to fool emissions testing

    happyfeet (831175)

  44. One attacker now ID’d as a recent Syrian “refugee”. Say it ain’t so! How many is that pinko Obama bringing to your home town?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  45. I would have to go along with the good reverend. We have been fighting these people for 1,400 years. They have never wavered in their goal-a world-wide caliphate. It may be that we spend the entire future playing whack-a-mole with these scum, but so be it. Starting with massive doses of vitamin B-52.

    Greg (c5e0d8)

  46. Here is my point
    As long as you have people who feel they can promote their cause even if it means their death, it will be impossible to entirely eliminate the threat.

    If you had one of every hundred Japanese willing to be suicide attacker in spite of the official government surrendering, would you have obliterated the entire nation? No, you would not have. Would you have deported every one of Japanese background? First generation? Second generation? Siblings on Japanese who fought in Europe?

    Even if you wanted to deport every Muslim from the U.S. how would you do it? It’s not like they all have naturally bright green hair so that you can pick them out.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  47. You’re not the only one who sees that current immigration policy concerning Muslims and especially “Syrian refugees” is crazy.
    The difference is whether someone from Pakistan or Egypt or wherever who attended mosque years ago and whose brother still does should be deported as a start. I say no to that.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  48. And was Truman a progressive? As for the rest, they wanted power, not war, as evidenced by the way they waged it.

    James Ostrowski wrote a book on progressivism (which I own thanks to you, DRJ) and he defines progressivism (at least initially) as “the strong presumption that democratic government intervention (force) will produce a better result than voluntary society.” As for Truman, I cite to you, as an example, his illegal seizure of the railroads by the Army, or his similar seizure of the steel mills — pretty interventionist stuff. His Fair Deal ran into opposition in Congress, to be sure, but he at least intended to continue the incredibly interventionist legacy of FDR. So I would indeed consider Truman a progressive.

    As for their wanting power and not war, that may be. But I care less about the progressives’ intentions than I do about their actions — namely, the fact that they keep getting us into wars, one of which (WWII) was justified, but many of which (pretty much all the rest) ranged from bad to disastrous.

    But then, I have become far less a supporter of war in general as the years have passed.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  49. elissa has been gone and so has daleyrocks. They shared similar views. I wonder if my drift away from political pragmatism in recent years finally became too much for them, or if something else has caused the absence.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  50. This is the last comment I can find from elissa, from early August. This is the last one I see from daleyrocks, from mid-August. Neither one sounded terribly angry or “flounced” in any way, so I’m not sure what happened.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  51. There are a lot of people who have become less interested in politics in recent years. To a mild degree I am one of them. I am more interested in history and economics and less interested in horse races, day-to-day governance issues, and even media bias. The latter still interest me but to a lesser degree than previously, I think.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  52. As long as you have people who feel they can promote their cause even if it means their death, it will be impossible to entirely eliminate the threat.

    That speaks to the pure hard, tactical reality on the ground. But what both sickens and worries me about the US and the Western World overall is not merely due to what happened in France yesterday but due to the lunacy that makes people (and, yea, I’ve cited this a million times before) in the US military (and NOT just the ACLU, or NAACP, or Act Up, or Emily’s List, etc) feel cowed if they speak out against an extremist like Nidal Hasan—even when such a person is a part of their own ranks, no less. IOW, forget about the military or law-enforcement strategies that need to be directed at Islamofascism. Square away at least the purely emotional and philosophical concepts aimed at such fanaticism.

    Mark (74fce8)

  53. Neither one sounded terribly angry or “flounced” in any way, so I’m not sure what happened.

    Probably just the natural cycle of things, where people run either hot or cold about things like their favorite foods, hobbies, recreation or personal interests in general.

    Mark (74fce8)

  54. Re elissa and daleyrocks,

    Both are missed by me because I found them challenging an insightful. I don’t believe anyone here had anything to do with their absences as they were neither the type to shy away from disagreement, or to react so personally that they would leave in a huff.

    I tend to think life just happened, and their interests and/or attention was demanded elsewhere. My hope is that they will soon return and provide more interesting commentary.

    Dana (86e864)

  55. or to react so personally that they would leave in a huff.

    Well, if they did leave in a huff, it would have been for a short time to cool off, and then return.

    Dana (86e864)

  56. I agree.

    Patterico (31cb2f)

  57. The allies performed the correct procedure in WWII by destroying the war culture. Even though Hundreds of thousands were killed in Dresden, Toyko, Hiroshima and Nagasagi, far more lives were saved as a result. Japan’s warlike culture was pretty much destroyed, though we had to perform the de-nazification in germany. As a result, the world enjoys two new cultures that are contributing members of the world economy and peace.

    We need to do the same with the hatred of the islamic culture.

    joe (debac0)

  58. Per Breitbart, the Black Lives Matter movement and the students at Mizzou are upset that Paris is whittling away at their 15 minutes:

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/

    According to some Tweeters, minority students at Mizzou have suffered just as much as the Paris victims.

    Serious question: why do (most) blacks believe that their (perceived) wants/needs/complaints must have center stage 24/7/365?

    While I wait for an answer, I think I’ll sing …

    “Nobody knows the trouble I’ve seen
    Nobody knows my sorrow …”

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  59. they were nice

    happyfeet (831175)

  60. Re: Elissa. I, too miss her comments as well as Daleyrocks. I do not intend to point fingers, but I’m not too sure she wasn’t put off by the comments that followed her last comment, up to and including #187 in that thread. Dana is prolly right.

    felipe (56556d)

  61. I think it’s likely that elissa and daleyrocks have other things going on in their lives, but it’s also possible that they may not feel like expressing their views here during the primaries. My guess is that they may not be as impressed with Ted Cruz as other people here (like me), and perhaps their attitudes toward this election are very different than someone who supports Cruz.

    I think everyone knows that Patterico welcomes disagreement, and I’m sure that elissa and daleyrocks know that, but they are both very polite people. Perhaps they would rather avoid commenting than make an issue of any disagreement. I believe they want conservatives to find ways to agree and while I don’t think that’s going to happen very much until the GOP selects a Presidential nominee, I wish they would come back to read (if they aren’t already) and to comment. I like competing ideas but I understand if they don’t feel like doing that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  62. Whatever the reason, I hope both they and their families are okay.

    DRJ (15874d)

  63. felipe,

    Do you think elissa would leave over a disagreement about big game hunts? She is smart, inquisitive and patient and that seems like a weird topic to cause her to leave forever.

    DRJ (15874d)

  64. I do not think I made a credible case for Elissa leaving due to comments, but I thought I would put it out there. Yes, it would be weird. I echo your hope for their well being.

    felipe (56556d)

  65. maybe she’s like susan in narnia

    happyfeet (831175)

  66. So, no, I do not think Elissa would leave over something like that.

    felipe (56556d)

  67. I missed her commentary on the fall classic, she loves baseball.
    Daleyrocks humor is irreplaceable.

    mg (31009b)

  68. elissa and daleyrocks both have a keen sense of humor/irony. I could see them wondering if the Obama Administration will use tomorrow’s Sunday shows to blame the violence in Paris on a video.

    DRJ (15874d)

  69. I am more interested in history and economics and less interested in horse races…

    Me too. I tell people, like My Liberal Relatives, when they want to engage, that maybe now is the time to stop reading the news and start reading history and economics. I mention Hayek’s Road to Serfdom, Paul Berman’s Terror and Liberalism, to start. At least it stops the immediate, fruitless argumentation.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  70. that is good, Martin Amis’s Second plane, had some insights into the nature of salafism, including Qutb, the ascetic martyr which has inspired this wave,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  71. some narratives will be disposed off, others will be generated,

    http://www.thelocal.fr/20151114/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-attackers

    narciso (ee1f88)

  72. their patience is longstanding

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d8_1447514351

    narciso (ee1f88)

  73. Oh yes, the LIBTARD MARXIST ginned up MIZZOU 2 MINUTES HATE, was pre-empted by, the MUZZTARD FASCIST ALL MINUTES hate.
    Maybe a DANCE OFF is necessary.

    This SHYTE is real, LIBTARDS and OBAMA are NOT.

    GUS (7cc192)

  74. BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 11/14/2015 @ 10:51 am

    We have a president who proclaimed that the oceans would stop rising upon his inauguration, I never understood him that way. Obama said “this was the moment” when it began.

    His winning the Democratic nomination was the turning point, in other words.

    “We will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick. When the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    And I think he never assumed his getting inagurated president would stop the rise of the oceans, but rather:

    It required an Act of Congress.

    Just like health care reform did.

    But the Waxman-Markey bill died in the United States Senate, and that was that.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/10/11/as-the-world-burns

    http://science.time.com/2010/07/26/why-the-climate-bill-died/

    Sammy Finkelman (0a978b)

  75. 49, et al. I doubt that Rico, in particular, has anything to do with their walkabout.

    I used to be a regular at WUWT until “Climate Change” was exposed as a total fraud. I moved on, and gave the antiChrist my full attention.

    ‘Lissa and Daley are Republican Regular Army and may have many reasons to have temporarily exhausted their time for this forum, regenerating likely chief among them.

    DNF (755a85)

  76. Elissa and daley are missed. I hope they return soon, their opinions and insight are dearly missed.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. I also hope Dustin is doing okay and send best wishes to he and his wife.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  78. re #76: you stopped going to WattsUpWithThat *because* human based climate change is junk science?? Don’t follow that logic. I’m waiting to see what the site says about the study that found that gluttony coral reefs increase ocean acidity.

    Have any of the MSM picked up on PotUS not using ISIS term this morning but the Arabic slang for that group? Not sure what to make of it. Is it just another way to avoid saying “Islamic Terrorist” or is he provoking them?

    seeRpea (71d373)

  79. btw: there are pundits out there praising H!C’s answer about WallSt as being brilliant.
    one wrote she was in a 3D world while the other two were in Flatland.

    Makes me wonder why the DNC is bothering with any debates.

    seeRpea (71d373)

  80. re #80. woops , wrong thread.

    seeRpea (71d373)

  81. I mentioned above the Harold Rood foretold pretty much all of our current discontent. The urge to lapse into fantasy is always present, and we have a political party, the Democrat Party, that wallows in this mud and prospers. I found this “analysis” of the ISIS attack that provides further confirmation that this line of insanity is with us and remains influential in media circles:

    Charles Grant, director of the Centre for European Reform, a pro-EU think-tank, warned that Islamic State wanted its attacks to bolster far-Right politicians like Marine Le Pen, the National Front leader who looks poised for a major victory in France’s regional polls this December.

    “Islamic State want to get Marine Le Pen stronger. They want far-Right attacks on mosques and a warlike ambience in western countries, because the more Muslims are persecuted, the more Muslims will be motivated to pick up arms and fight in Western Europe.

    “Europe’s game must be to resist that and not repeat the mistakes we made after September 11 which played right into al-Qaeda’s hands. We must hold our nerve and embrace our values of tolerance of faith and religions which we share in common and against the Islamic State.”

    This is reported in The Telegraph, and the thrust of the article, Paris attacks put dagger through heart of liberal Europe , is not sympathetic with this point of view, but it clearly exists and is influential in the ruling elites in Europe. It is remarkable that they still equate National Socialism with “right wing”, as though the evil came from nationalism, and not socialism.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  82. If climate change causes terrorism, then why isn’t California revolting against its liberal overlords?

    DRJ (15874d)

  83. I wrote daley and elissa. Heard from daley and as suspected, life is happening. He sounds well and just busy. Nothing from elissa yet, but I remain hopeful.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  84. I appreciate you creating and fostering a sense of community, Patterico.

    Glad to hear daley is okay; hopefully so is elissa.

    Never can tell these days.

    Simon Jester (950325)

  85. seeRpea (71d373) — 11/15/2015 @ 9:47 am

    I think the point was that he had seen enough at WUWT to make clear that the true “settled science” about global warming was that it was a lot of bunk,
    and having come to that conclusion,
    there were enough other problems in the world to devote attention to.

    I likewise don’t bother reading Global warming stuff unless it is a nice summary at PowerLine, a discussion here, or an update in Steyn vs “The Stick”

    Not only have I come to a conclusion as to the profound lack of fact supporting the idea that significant man made climate change through CO2 is happening,
    but I’ve seen how friends who I thought were very intelligent and critical thinking have given up trying to form an educated opinion.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  86. MD in Philly, any theory that has to be sold this hard for this long where the average person sees no discernible change in climate in any direction for any unusual length of time over the entire globe is bull. Furthermore, when the same people who claim man is causing global climate change also claim we can’t boot out 11 million illegals they are inconsistent idiots. If we can change the globe we can secure a border.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  87. Doc, I have had the same problem with friends in the environmental and geological sciences. It seems as though they grasp onto one particular factoid that supports the group think, and that eliminates any need on their part to reconsider the situation. A retired geologist had latched onto the “loss” of Artic and Antarctic sea ice coverage that some in NOAA were advancing as proof of climate change. Even as the data became more reliable, and as it began to show increasing ice in the Antarctic, he would not reconsider his position. I haven’t seen him in several years, and the notion that the ice is disappearing is obviously just a gleam in Al Gore’s eyes. It would be interesting to see if he now hitches his wagon to a new factoid, or if he has become a “denier”. My suspicion is the former. It is the path of least resistance.

    It is also fascinating to see how difficult it has been to expose this Piltdown fabrication. It is a real study in the dangers posed by central control of anything, even something as simple measuring temperatures. The scientific community, including the NSF and many “professional” societies, have shown themselves to be incapable of discriminating between “validations” that are based on nothing more than computer models, versus the use of independently collected, scientifically rigorous physical data to confirm or reject their underlying hypotheses. The whole thing is an obvious travesty, and it is just one more reason to question the integrity and authority of our nation’s leaders. Worse, this fiasco is entirely self inflicted. Worse yet, the “deniers” are not the culprits, despite calls for the Justice Department to prosecute “deniers” based on the fraudulent application of RICO statutes.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  88. Patterico, thanks for the updates.

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  89. Our world is -so- f^^ked.

    There’s a new strategy, that requires a walking flood of cannon fodder: wank in, take over, ignore complaints. Cry-bully if you’re removed.

    I’m fine. Real life has grabbed much of my attention for much of 2015 and I have not been much online.

    htom (f53fd9)

  90. At the LA Phil yesterday, French conductor Ludovic Morlot took time out to quote Leonard Bernstein who said that his response to violence is to “make music more intensely, more beautifully, more devotedly than ever before.”

    I felt like yelling out that ISIS has banned music.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  91. AZ Bob, No smoking!!! The tobacco lobby should take care of isis.
    Thanks for the read.

    mg (31009b)

  92. Yes
    Steyn has a book out that I guess is simply a compilation of quotes from noteworthy scientists on how damaging the AGW movement has been to real science and public policy discussion. Haven’t gotten a copy yet.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  93. France and USA bomb ISIS controlled city in Syria,
    http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/france-launches-massive-airstrikes-on-isis-in-syria/

    seeRpea (71d373)

  94. who said that his response to violence is to “make music more intensely, more beautifully, more devotedly than ever before.”

    That calls to mind the image of the musicians reportedly playing on the deck of the SS Titanic as it was taking on water and sinking into the icy cold Atlantic.

    There are a lot of “musicians” throughout the Western World in 2015—in the media, academia, Hollywood, the US’s Hasan-ized military, la-de-dah-towards-national-borders Republicans (similar to Germany’s prime minister), the EU, etc, etc, etc.

    Mark (74fce8)

  95. #94: seeRpea, “massive airstrikes” is a bit hyperbolic. France managed to send 10 jets to drop 20 bombs on four or five targets. None of the bombs were nuclear.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  96. Marshmellow bombs?

    mg (31009b)

  97. well it’s much more then has been done in more than a year,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  98. “Amid tight security, thousands marched in Paris on Saturday in commemoration of the 17 victims of two separate terrorist attacks that rocked France this week: Wednesday’s massacre of 12 in and near the office of the satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, and Friday’s siege of a Jewish grocery store that resulted in five more deaths. Appearing on Saturday in the town of Évry, south of Paris, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls told his people to expect war.

    “It is a war against terrorism, against jihadism, against radical Islam, against everything that is aimed at breaking fraternity, freedom, solidarity,” he said.”

    – Saturday, January 10, 2015

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  99. The West is led by Unserious People.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. re #101: You think the PotUS is not serious? He just released 5 more G.B. prisoners to Dubai.
    Of course he is serious. seriously determined to keep “Pax Americana” from ever occurring again.

    seeRpea (71d373)


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