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9/11/2016

Hillary Clinton Falls

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:04 am



[guest post by Dana]

This morning, according to Hillary Clinton’s campaign, Clinton left the 9/11 memorial ceremony in New York City due to feeling “overheated”. In a video, Clinton can been seen standing at the curb supported by an aide as they wait for their van to arrive. As Clinton attempts to step toward the vehicle, she stumbles and begins to fall:

The candidate for the presidency was then transported to her daughter’s apartment without any press allowed to follow. A full 90 minutes later, she exited the building and told reporters that she felt great.

And while Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post brushed off Clinton’s frequent coughing jags and said we should stop talking about her health, (this in spite of his own extensive reporting on John McCain’s), it’s interesting to see that after this morning’s fall, Cillizza now agrees that her health is indeed an issue:

Whereas Clinton and her campaign could laugh off questions about her health before today, the “overheating” episode makes it almost impossible for them to do so. Not only has it come at a time when there was growing chatter — with very little evidence — that her health was a problem but it also happened at a 9/11 memorial event — an incredibly high-profile moment with lots and lots of cameras and reporters around.

Her campaign may well try to dismiss this story as nothing more than an isolated incident, meaning nothing. (Democrats were already pushing the story of George W. Bush fainting in 2002 after choking on a pretzel, via Twitter.)

But the issue is that Clinton kept reporters totally in the dark for 90 minutes after her abrupt departure from the 9/11 memorial service for a health-related matter. No reporter was allowed to follow her. (Clinton has resisted a protective pool for coverage because Donald Trump refuses to participate in one.) This is, yet again, the Clinton campaign asking everyone to just trust it. She got overheated! But she’s fine now!

I would note that right now, hours after this morning’s ceremony, it is a comfortable 81 degrees. . Clinton arrived at the commemoration at 8:00 and left at 9:30 a.m.

As a reminder, at a fundraiser on Nantucket back on August 20 when the temperature was in the high 70’s, the heat didn’t appear to be of any concern to Clinton:

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I have no clue what is up with Clinton’s health, but it is just awful to watch a person’s feet refuse to step as commanded. I wish her the best, and hope whatever is ailing her is treatable. But after this morning’s mishap, her campaign is going to have to address the matter with at least a modicum of transparency. And that in itself is a very high bar for Hillary Clinton to meet.

–Dana

UPDATE: This afternoon, Hillary Clinton’s doctor, Lisa R. Bardack, said Clinton has pneumonia:

Hillary Clinton has pneumonia and has been advised to rest, the Democratic presidential nominee’s doctor said on Sunday, after Clinton abruptly left the 9/11 memorial ceremony in downtown Manhattan because, her campaign initially said, she “felt overheated”.

“Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies,” Dr Lisa R Bardack said in a statement. “On Friday, during follow up evaluation of her prolonged cough, she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule.

“While at this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and she is now re-hydrated and recovering nicely.”

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: There will be more of this. Maybe she will have a coughing fit during a debate.

I’m starting to think it’s gonna be Trump.

Either way, we survived eight years of Obama. We’ll survive whatever happens next.

I’m reading a book about the Nordic countries that gives me hope that people can actually turn towards the free market when they see socialism failing. Full report when I finish it.

432 Responses to “Hillary Clinton Falls”

  1. This is now officially an issue for the campaign.

    Dana (995455)

  2. sleazy Associated Press propaganda sluts lisa lerer and julie pace get some lying pig-lover named Joe Crowley to make like today was a real scorcher

    Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., said he spent time before the ceremony chatting with Clinton and watching her sign autographs and take pictures. He said he was standing behind her during the remembrance and “she did not seem out of the ordinary at all.”

    “It was stiflingly hot. I was sweating through my shirt,” Crowley said. “I had to leave myself. I drank about a gallon of water.”

    even National Soros Radio reported that

    According to the National Weather Service, the temperature was 79 degrees with 54 percent humidity at 9:51 a.m. in Manhattan.

    note that the propaganda sluts at AP do NOT report what the actual temperature was

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. With all due respect, are you blind?

    she stumbles

    No. She has an episode of Levodopa‐induced dyskinesia from Parkinson’s disease treatment.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  4. Look at her head!

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  5. and to think corrupt fbi sleazer James Comey traded away the fbi’s integrity as well as his own for the benefit of a lying sickly stumblepig what has to be propped up like a nasty-assed baron harkonnen

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. With all due respect, are you blind?

    she stumbles

    No. She has an episode of Levodopa‐induced dyskinesia from Parkinson’s disease treatment.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/11/2016 @ 11:18 am

    Denver Guy,

    She stumbles and begins to fall. Immediately so.

    I am not a doctor. I don’t know what triggered the event. I suspect it wasn’t due to overheating, but really, I prefer not to speculate. So I guess, yes, I am blind.

    Dana (995455)

  7. In the immortal words of Harry Truman, “If you can’t stand the heat, get the hell out of the Presidential race!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  8. With all due respect, are you blind?

    Here we go again with the Trump-like attack syndrome that an internet wit describes as Ready, fire, aim. The commenter made no effort to suggest or discuss whether this might be a Parkinson’s event, which I think is worth discussing. Instead, the commenter attacks Dana because she doesn’t describe this event exactly the way this Trump supporter sees it.

    This is what Trump has done to us, and it’s every bit as bad as what Obama and the Clintons have done to the Democrats.

    DRJ (15874d)

  9. yes yes the stumblepig stumbled

    and very likely pooped herself

    she has a totally different tacky pantsuit on when she leaves chelsea’s penthouse

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. I’ve been saying this for months, there will be no debates. The campaign will claim that it’s because they don’t want to give legitimacy to a racist, bigot, homophobe, misogynist, etc.; for which they will be loudly applauded by the MSM. The actual reason is that, unless they can completely control the environment/venue, Secretary Clinton will do more harm to her campaign than an possible good she could do, if (when) she has another medical incident. Ergo, there can be no debates (at least not a debate where they appear together).

    Lorem Ipsum (08ad03)

  11. “Instead, the commenter attacks Dana”

    1. It wasn’t an “attack”

    2. My problem was with the word “stumbles”. You can see her leaning against the post in a daze being held up. You can see her sway left, right, and center. There’s a history of her having seizure-like episodes.

    Clearly, stumble doesn’t begin to describe it. It’s misleading.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  12. Teh heat was deplorable! And her case is in teh basket…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. lol so you think the first woman nominee will also be the first one to make special pleadings to get out of doing debates

    hah grrl power lol

    that would be too funny

    i bet she does the debates and just leans heavily on her ear pearl

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. I’ve been saying this for months, there will be no debates.

    At this point it doesn’t even matter, Lorem. With the trajectory and now this (not to mention the half of Trump supporters are deplorable gaff), Hillary needs the debates more than Trump, and she can’t afford to do the debates because she will lose.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  15. I am a doctor… of rockn’roll. She’s ahead of teh beat, and then starts to do teh Funky Chicken before her assistants stop her.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. RamzPaul had the best take:

    RAMZPAUL ‏@ramzpaul 3h3 hours ago

    If Crooked Hillary thinks 25 degrees Celsius is hot, she will be in a surprise after she dies.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  17. Thank God for ObamaCare. Otherwise, Hillary would have died in the street.

    Uh, … nevermind. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  18. yes yes if anything it’s Mr. Trump what should bail on these rigged propaganda slut debates

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. This is just another right wing conspiracy.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. Trump shouldn’t bail on the debates, just attend with a seizure-patterned suit or hold up a sign saying “DROP TABLE HumanEmotions;”

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  21. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: There will be more of this. Maybe she will have a coughing fit during a debate.

    I’m starting to think it’s gonna be Trump.

    Either way, we survived eight years of Obama. We’ll survive whatever happens next.

    I’m reading a book about the Nordic countries that gives me hope that people can actually turn towards the free market when they see socialism failing. Full report when I finish it.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  22. good thinking yes yes

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. for 22 & 23

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. I’m just reading too many books at once these days, plus I am absolutely crushed at work.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  25. Kaine or even Biden may end up leading the ticket. How do you think that would affect the vote at this stage?

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  26. the pig has to run or risk jail Mr. Guy

    why would the next president keep corrupt loretta and sleazy fbi pansy james comey around knowing their loyalties are pig before duty

    it’s too risky – what if biden or kaine accidentally appoint people with integrity?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. In the immortal words of Harry Truman, “If you can’t stand the heat, get the hell out of the Presidential race!“

    I was going to say if she can’t stand the heat, she should go back to the kitchen.

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  28. I like how that right tackle, er… fat girl tries to block the view often stumbling Hildabeest

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  29. #29 Chuck B,

    I knew my punchline was missing a punchline!
    You nailed it.
    Bravo!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  30. Of teh stumbling…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. Granny cough cough looked like a newby dropping into Corbett’s Couloir.
    As we used to say on the slopes she had a” yard sale”

    mg (31009b)

  32. yeah that stout lil thing got her some mary lou retton shoulders on her

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. This Hillary woman can’t even step into a van without tripping like Barney Fife, but she’s going to put the fear of Allah into ISIS!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  34. Scott Adams just wrote something important, emphasis added:

    If humans were rational creatures, the time and place of Clinton’s “overheating” wouldn’t matter at all. But when it comes to American psychology, there is no more powerful symbol of terrorism and fear than 9-11 . When a would-be Commander-in-Chief withers – literally – in front of our most emotional reminder of an attack on the homeland, we feel unsafe. And safety is our first priority.

    Hillary Clinton just became unelectable.

    The mainstream media might not interpret today’s events as a big deal. After all, it was only a little episode of overheating. And they will continue covering the play-by-play action until election day.

    In summary, Hillary didn’t just show weakness anywhere: she “withered” at the New York 9/11 memorial 15 years to the day after those fear-provoking attacks on America. That is a stark image and will subconsciously affect many more than would just a routine feinting spell. …

    Contrast this with Trump’s (real or imagined) perceived strength, and this election is over unless the Democrats replace Hillary.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  35. Clearly, stumble doesn’t begin to describe it. It’s misleading.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/11/2016 @ 11:43 am

    I’m going to re-post my full description of the moment because judging from your misleading statement, you didn’t read it all:
    In a video, Clinton can been seen standing at the curb supported by an aid as they wait for their van to arrive. As Clinton attempts to step toward the vehicle, she stumbles and begins to fall:

    Further, any number of things could be wrong with her, Denver Guy. I have had friends who have passed on from complications of MS, and Mrs. Clinton’s symptoms remind me of what they experienced. Parkinsons is another possibility. And no doubt, there are endless other possibilities as well. I just don’t know.

    What I do know, though, is Clinton makes concerted efforts on a daily basis to not tell the truth and to keep the public from knowing vital information that either directly or indirectly impacts us. That would no doubt include any serious illness that might call her mental faculties into question at any point in time. FDR was in a wheelchair, but his mental faculties were not impacted by his illness.

    Dana (995455)

  36. usurper in chief is praying to mohamhead she dies so he won’t have to give her a get out of jail free card.

    mg (31009b)

  37. Mary Lou Retton loves America.
    Hildabeast loves Huma.

    We report. You decide.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. Also, accusing me of being misleading might carry weight if there weren’t a video record for readers to see and judge for themselves. I trust them to be able to read two sentences and then check it out for themselves and describe it as they see fit.

    Dana (995455)

  39. yes yes Mr. Guy

    all the propaganda sluts were supposed to be talking about the Hillary livid after 9/11 narrative today

    i think it’s safe to say that narrative’s no longer especially operative

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. “I’m going to re-post my full description of the moment because judging from your misleading statement, you didn’t read it all:”

    Alright, fair enough. I stand corrected. We’re in agreement that Clinton was physically weak and/or disoriented and that’s why she stumbled.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  41. Somewhere in Vermont, a Socialist senator is gnashing his teeth and chopping at the air with his right hand

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. At any rate, the relevant questions now are will Hillary be replaced or drop out, who with, and how will that affect the election at this point?

    Because Hillary is toast.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  43. Luckiest guy is the debate janitor who would have had to do the clean-up after the catheter debacle.

    mg (31009b)

  44. And I wasn’t accusing you of being intentionally misleading, Dana, so don’t mischaracterize or misunderstand that. I was saying the description was inadequate and thereby misleading.

    In any case, what do you make of the metal bit falling out of her pantleg that was posted above?

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  45. Dana, you “wish her the best”?? The evil bedlam can’t die soon enough as far as I’m concerned.

    Patterico, you’re starting to think it’s going to be Trump? Congratulations – the more perspicacious among us thought that over a year ago.

    Boris (b6de4e)

  46. Niagara Falls are supposed to do that.
    The next President of the United States is not.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  47. go back two days ago

    she looks and sounds like a dogfood dish of death

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. Bring on lieawatha

    mg (31009b)

  49. Dana, you “wish her the best”??

    I wish that she dies in prison, and that the rule of law not men is returned.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  50. By which I mean a prison hospital.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  51. Patterico, you’re starting to think it’s going to be Trump? Congratulations – the more perspicacious among us thought that over a year ago.

    Yep!

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  52. Niagra Falls… slowly she stumbled…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. Poor Hillary

    Caught on camera this time.

    On one of the morning shows one of her acolytes said the only mistake Hillary made in calling
    half of Trump’s supporters was that she said “one half”.

    Uh Oh!
    LOL

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  54. the stumblepig’s been lying about her health

    and the propaganda slut media’s been carrying her lying water

    now what do they do???

    they can’t pretend this pig ain’t sick no mores

    McCain’s father died of heart failure at 70, propaganda slut Liz Halloran informed us in 2008.

    The pig turns 69 next month.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. Dana, you “wish her the best”?? The evil bedlam can’t die soon enough as far as I’m concerned.

    Boris,

    I hope her health issues can be controlled, certainly. But do not make the mistake of assuming that I don’t want to see her held accountable for any number of awful things she’s done to harm America, and her involvement in the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi.

    Dana (995455)

  56. I have no clue what is up with Clinton’s health

    Are you kidding??????????????????????????? The entire WORLD has a clue. Several!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. In any case, what do you make of the metal bit falling out of her pantleg that was posted above?

    I have no idea what the object is. Do you?

    Dana (995455)

  58. Really, Dr. DCSCA???

    Do tell.

    Dana (995455)

  59. what’s interesting is it’s the highest concentration of pig-lovers in the whirl, New York City, where people are gonna hear her say she was “overheated” and think man she really IS a lying pig

    cause of today was a 9/11 day in new york city

    crisp and cool and beautiful, and they all know it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  60. Martin Shkreli heckles Hillary outside of her Weekend At Chelsea’s apartment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZR_9rVDeQQ

    It was ever true:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr91yhZXYAA-FPX.jpg

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  61. @59— You posted ‘you haven’t a clue.’

    Massive coughing fits for month; repeated stumbling; fainting and a history of blood clotting post concussion; There’s four ‘clues’ right there, nurse.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  62. Perhaps Mr. Obama will offer to continue in office until such time as Hillary! has recovered and can continue her campaign? The other campaigns would stay on the original schedule, but the Presidential Election would be postponed until her health is restored. It would only be fair.

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  63. Dana, don’t even bother defending yourself to these jackasses.

    They are just as bad as the extreme left, dancing on Hillary’s grave and cracking teenage jokes about sex and other bodily functions.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  64. “They are just as bad as the extreme left, dancing on Hillary’s grave and cracking teenage jokes about sex and other bodily functions.”

    I’ll have you know that as the most extreme alt-righter here I pale in comparison to this turdlord ‘happyfeet’. Most of my jokes have to do with sci-fi movies and supernatural interventions, like transferring Hillary Clinton’s fetid soul to a new host body that may last more than a few days this time.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  65. DCSCA, we can all see that she goes on coughing jags, that she has stumbled and/or fallen recently, and know that she’s had a concussion that her husband said took six months of very hard tpwork to recover from, etc., but that doesn’t tell us what it all adds up to, or what it is she suffers from now.

    I realize a number of Trump supporters believe they know what’s wrong with her, and actually get angry when anyone chooses to hold back on making similar assumptions, but so be it.

    Dana (995455)

  66. I wish Hitler, Mao, and Stalin had each dropped dead of a heart attack.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  67. i’m not all trite i just wanna beat that stumblepig and save christmas

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. #64 Patricia,

    Oh, the virtue. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  69. Stumble? It’s clear that as the van arrives, she’s supporting herself, half sitting on that metal post, and has no strength in her legs when ushered forwards.

    As for the Nordic countries — what few people seem to realise is that under the eye-watering tax-rates, in Denmark, for example, that there’s a lassez-faire economy, with a lot of private provision, even of things like fire and healthcare. Also, most of the tax gathering and disbursement is done in the local community, a population of few tens of thousands at most, rather than going via a remote central government.

    The Sage (ba2a4c)

  70. Actually, any number of medicines can cause dizziness and stumbling and other symptoms of heat prostration no matter what the weather is outside. I take one that can make me sweat profusely no matter what the air temperature is.

    So don’t assume this is caused by a specific medical condition. It may be a side effect of medicine she is taking.

    All the more reason she needs to release her medical records.

    kishnevi (082931)

  71. I really hope Hillary makes a full recovery so that she can screw the country. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  72. She could turn it all around if she just came out and said hey you guys I’m *Edward* Stinkypig, the recluse brother of my sister Hillary!

    Edward Stinkypig, who’s finally vindicated his sister’s good name! I am Edward Stinkypig- Edward Stinkypig, and I’m not mentally ill, but proud and lucky and strong enough to be the man that was the best part of my womanhood – the best part of myself!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. I bet she’s going to push to have the debates in a sit-down format, or, failing that, to have only one debate.

    Boris (b6de4e)

  74. What’s interesting to me about the video, aside from Mrs. Clinton’s fall, is that the two women at her side and behind her appear to be aides of some sort, given that one is supporting her from the get-go, and the other posed to help from the back. Both women are dressed alike, and wearing sensible flats. Why does Clinton require two aides, if that’s what the are – and it would appear that is what they are they for?

    Dana (995455)

  75. I bet she’s going to push to have the debates in a sit-down format, or, failing that, to have only one debate.

    Boris (b6de4e) — 9/11/2016 @ 1:06 pm

    That reminds me that I read somewhere how noticeable it was that she was making a point of standing up to answer the questions directed at her during the Military Town Hall last week. Was she attempting to show that she didn’t have a problem with balance? Or was she attempting to e male-like assertive?

    Dana (995455)

  76. This is what Trump has done to us,

    No, this is what Clinton and Co has done. Obama is an interruption in the Clinton Chronicles.

    Bill ignored the 1993 WTC attack. He ignored the African embassies attacks. He even ignored the USS Cole attack on the eve of the election.

    When Madeline Halfbright was asked why they didn’t do more about terrorism, she answered, “Of course we were concerned about terrorism. We had meetings almost every week about it.”

    The 1994 GOP Congress saved the economy and Clinton got the credit. Look at a chart of the stock market since 1994.

    The attempt to impeach and convict him was probably a strategic mistake although I don’t know how they could ignore the lying. It’s too bad Giuliani was ill when Hillary ran for the Senate.

    Obama was a failure but no white man with his resume could have been nominated, let alone elected.

    We are paying for our ancestors sins, I guess. I just hope it isn’t fatal.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  77. was Obama really a failure if so many republicans are craving four more years of obama policies all up in it?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  78. Wonder how soon the apologies will come from the Clinton staffers who insisted that the reporter who said HC was “low energy” last week be fired……

    One thing that I’m not seeing discussed is the fact that if we had to depend on her fawning press entourage to report on her physical condition we would be completely in the dark. Her campaign blocked off the press pool and very stealthily got her out of there, hoping to hide the severity of her condition. It was only because of a bystander with a cell phone that we now know she was out on her feet and about to face plant in the gutter.

    Harkin (3f1823)

  79. if the pig’s “basket of deplorables” was supposed to be a super strategic genius move like the nevertrump losers at Hot Air would have us believe

    she sure stepped on her own

    basket

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. You may have to look at a few videos with different angles, but if you do you cannot say that Clinton merely “stumbled” or simply needed some assistance, etc. She was initially supporting herself by leaning back on the large post, holding herself unnaturally stiffly. When the van arrived, she was completely unable to move forward on her own. She tried and failed to get her feet in a normal position under her once she had some support, moved forward a few steps with major support, and then lost complete control of her lower body and collapsed. Complete control. Both legs dragged, toes down. Meanwhile, her head never left an upright, controlled posture, which indicates to me that she had not fainted. I am not a doctor so I can only say as an educated layman that people don’t lose complete control of their lower body due to any kind of normal over-heating or tiredness due to a tough campaign schedule. I am also not a Trump supporter; Cruz was my preferred candidate.

    rigeldog (423a4e)

  81. “was Obama really a failure if so many republicans are craving four more years of obama policies all up in it?”

    He said we would survive it. He didn’t say that your 1st/2nd/5th amendments would be in tact.

    Drider (340c7b)

  82. Our friend DRJ has told us we can survive the next 12 years of Democrat rule.
    If that’s true, then what’s the point of busting our asses each 4 years to try to win a presidential election?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  83. and here’s the first real attempt at narrative-building from the pig’s propaganda sluts

    Politico

    Clinton scare shakes up the race

    so far this seems to be all they really have:

    Partisans have long raised health issues in campaigns – Ronald Reagan’s opponents repeatedly questioned his mental acuity, and Bill Clinton’s supporters were delighted by a January 1992 video of George H. W. Bush vomiting during a dinner with the prime minister of Japan.

    But Trump has personally ridiculed Clinton’s health with a bluntness not seen in recent times, suggesting she’s been hobbled by a serious 2012 head injury and mocking her repeated allergy-induced coughing fits.

    their evidence?

    “Mainstream media never covered Hillary’s massive ‘hacking’ or coughing attack, yet it is #1 trending. What’s up?” he Tweeted after a coughing fit interrupted a Clinton speech on Sept. 6th.

    lame,right?

    so the takeaway is

    the propaganda sluts are going into a wait and see mode

    they want Mr. Trump to give them some juicy “Republicans pounce” action

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. “Our friend DRJ has told us we can survive the next 12 years of Democrat rule.
    If that’s true, then what’s the point of busting our asses each 4 years to try to win a presidential election?”

    Just look at the absolute disregard for our laws with this administration. Hillary makes them look like pikers but after 8 years of total corruption it even brought the “Untouchable” Comey to his knees.
    Just look at churches and religious companies like Hobby Lobby who are barely hanging on to their rights of conscience.

    Those who tell you that we can survive another 8 years of Democrat rule are simply trying to be too smart by half. The country is near unrecognizable in nearly all regards.
    Simply don’t believe the bunk and vote responsibly. There are no candidates of conscience. Just Hillary and Trump.

    Drider (340c7b)

  85. @66.but that doesn’t tell us what it all adds up to, or what it is she suffers from now

    They’re clues.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  86. oh my goodness

    Alexis Arquette Dead at 47

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. Drider,

    The only “conservatives” who lecture us about how we can survive another 4/8/12/16 years of Democrat rule are people who already have a healthy nest egg.
    They don’t give a sh*t about working people.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  88. they really don’t

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  89. “The only “conservatives” who lecture us about how we can survive another 4/8/12/16 years of Democrat rule are people who already have a healthy nest egg.
    They don’t give a sh*t about working people.”

    I imagine there is something to that but I’m not talking about rich vs poor here. When I say survive I’m talking about free speech, rights to bear arms, rights for cops to go home at night alive. Not being forced to partake in killing kids for baby spare parts. The list goes on and on and on.

    Hell the conservative cucks become more progressive with the more power that we give them in Congress. Hillary would not benefit from the strong Congress that he husband had. She would rampage unchecked and destroy the county.

    Drider (340c7b)

  90. If Hillary’s someone we can endure, then why the hell did all these chest-thumping conservatives insist that Ted Cruz had to become President or else the world would perish?
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  91. Oh my!!! Hundreds leave 9/11 ceremonies in Lower Manhattan early feeling faint and near collapse from near 80 degree morning heat and seek shelter in family or friends apartments!!!

    Oh wait. Apparently only Hillary Clinton did.

    The CNN video of Maudie being held up by aides then stumbling into a collapse like the North Tower, aides steadying her like a sick drunk into her black van, speaks volumes.

    There’s something wrong with her. And the usual media outlets keep making excuses for her about it.

    If she wins, can’t wait for Putin to invite her to Moscow in mid-July and set up a welcoming ceremony where she’ll stand on a hot tarmac to review troops and dignitaries for three hours.

    No ‘sweat,’ eh, Maudie?

    ——

    FWIW I’ve suffered from ragweed pollen allergy for 50 years and like clock work, it kicks in from late August and ends in early October or the first frost. The routine involves itchy, water eyes, and sneezing. Not coughing fits. Sneezing. The meds are routine OTC and when younger, some script. But the symptoms/reactions to the script have never changed; itchy, watery eyes and sneezing. No coughing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. Drider,

    I’m not talking about rich VS poor — did you think I was? Jee-sus, really?!

    The George Wills and Glenn Becks have the resources to endure the next 4 or 8 years of increased tax brackets.
    But to the guy making $40 or $50K, a slight increase in the tax bracket really hurts him. We need to fight against that crap with every breath in our body.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  93. “If Hillary’s someone we can endure, then why the hell did all these chest-thumping conservatives insist that Ted Cruz had to become President or else the world would perish?”

    A certain small percentage of them have devolved into curling up in the fetal position while sucking their thumbs and crying.

    Glenn Beck comes to mind. Man that guys shelf life as a spokesman for Cruz should have last no longer than 5 minutes before his critical thinking process slid into Hillary’s basket of deplorable Nazi’s mode.

    Drider (340c7b)

  94. The header on that video should be changed.

    That wasn’t a ‘stumble.’ She collapsed. Only her aides kept her from falling to the pavement.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. If Donald Trump were as smart as he continually reminds us he is, he would release all of his medical records first thing tomorrow morning. Post them online, do one quick presser stating only that he has released all of his medical records to reassure the public of his good health and then request that Hillary release hers. Then just shut up.

    Chances he’ll do that? Zero.

    Dana (995455)

  96. I don’t think Mr. Trump needs to do anything except talk about jobs and regulations and energy and immigration and stuff

    we know that pig’s a sick sick pig records or no records

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  97. 96.If Donald Trump were as smart as he continually reminds us he is, he would release all of his medical records first thing tomorrow morning.

    He doesn’t have to; he hasn’t been coughing and collapsing on camera for months. She has.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. We needed Ted Cruz to restore Constitutional balance to our federal government.
    However, if Hillary’s President for the next eight years, then that’s okay, I guess. Whatevs!
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  99. Dana from here on out I seriously hope that Trump does not give Hillary ANYTHING for free. He needs to dislodge her foundation records, medical status via a neutral doctor and Goldman and Sachs speechs now that we see clearly how she feels about half the people in the country.

    Put the tax returns and medical records up for sure. I could go for that.

    Drider (340c7b)

  100. ooh looky National Soros Radio propaganda slut Merrit Kennedy stealth edited that stumblepig article

    original (screencap)

    Video published on Twitter appears to show Clinton being assisted into a van. The woman in the video appears unsteady on her feet and wobbles on her way into the vehicle. Tamara is seeking comment from the Clinton campaign about the authenticity of this footage, as well as further information about the incident.

    now

    Video published on Twitter shows Clinton being assisted into a van. She appears to be unsteady on her feet and wobbles on her way into the vehicle.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  101. Today is Sunday. Maudie’s campaign now says her doctor has examined her at home and she had been diagnosed on Friday with ‘pneumonia.’

    Can you believe it? Or can’t you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  102. If that were Trump or any other Republican collapsing like that, we ALL know it would be all over in terms of their campaign. No quarter given.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. I’ve now read at least 8 credible sources in NYC say that it was gorgeous weather today, and not hot and stifling which might lead to overheating (albeit not at 9:30 in the morning).

    Dana (995455)

  104. yup Mr. Colonel (loop 12962 times)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. It took them eight hours to disclose that she has a simple case of pneumonia?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  106. if she has pneumonia why was she out in a crowd spreading her pig germs everywhere

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  107. That old woman’s got low energy.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  108. Soros must be getting someone ready in the bullpen.

    mg (31009b)

  109. Postscript– So what does Maudie do with an aledged case of “pneumonia” diagnosed on Friday?

    Stand amongst hundreds of people at the 9/11 memorial on Sunday like Typhoid Mary spreading germs then while leaving her daughter’s Manhattan apartment, embrace a little girl on a sidewalk for a photo op.

    Who do they think they’re kidding? If the child gets sick, send Maudie the doctor bills. Sheesh!

    More bad judgement.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  110. Not a hundred, or a thousand or 10,000 but:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/09/assange-wikileaks-preparing-to-release-100000-more-clinton-documents/

    #nevertrump had better hope Trump is as sh!tty as JEF.

    DNF (755a85)

  111. I linked to the Guardian regarding Dr. Bardack’s pneumonia claim.

    Dana (995455)

  112. @106. 48 hours.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  113. granny c c has lost her core, adios tramp.

    mg (31009b)

  114. I thought they said it was due to “overheating”?
    If she has pneumonia, then why didn’t they say that in the first place?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  115. @112– over the past 48 hours they’ve been piping out the ‘allergy’ cover story. Now it’s ‘pneumonia.’

    On deck, ‘the bends.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. 98. It would be nice however if he released more photos of his better halves inclusive.

    DNF (755a85)

  117. @115- its probably in an email. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  118. Watch the alphabet media the next few days, it will be about Trump and the opposition’s – you know where the media’s sympathies lie – reaction to this “anomaly”, if they mention it at all.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. and to think corrupt fbi sleazer James Comey traded away the fbi’s integrity as well as his own for the benefit of a lying sickly stumblepig what has to be propped up like a nasty-assed baron harkonnen

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/11/2016 @ 11:26 am

    I couldn’t agree more about Comey. His press conference, his testimony, the release of the FBI’s report on the investigation, every shred of information screams “Prosecute!” Yet Comey lies and says no reasonable prosecutor would attempt to try the case. The h3ll they wouldn’t! It’s a slam dunk case.

    And moreover Comey doesn’t make the call for the prosecutor. He’s the investigator, not the prosecutor. What he should have done, according to every investigator I know (not FBI, but NCIS and AFOSI who also handle investigations into violations of 18 USC 793 and other statutes that constitute the Espionage Act) was to forward the results of the investigation to the prosecutor, in this case the DoJ, without recommendation. Sure, the fix was in. But if he didn’t want to demonstrate he was just another $5.00 Washington D.C. streetwalker willing to turn tricks in a dumpster behind a liquor store just to remain in the good graces of the DNC he should have let Loretta Lynch fall on her sword. But he didn’t. And demonstrated exactly what he is.

    Now, he’s trying to reclaim his reputation. Too, late; once you sell it you can’t get it back.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/09/jim-comeys-strange-memo-to-fbi-employees.php

    Aww, the poor little streetwalker is feeling the heat. But you know what’s funny about this?

    …Through public statements, testimony (4 hours and 40 minutes without stopping, but who’s counting), and prompt document productions, we have offered unprecedented transparency of the high-quality work your colleagues did in the case…

    …I explain to our alums that I’m okay if folks have a different view of the investigation (although I struggle to see how they actually could, especially when they didn’t do the investigation)…

    You can’t claim that you’ve offered “unprecedented transparency” into the investigation and then claim your critics don’t know anything about the investigation. But anybody who knows working girls knows they lie, and not very convincingly. Comey can’t even keep his lies straight in a one-page b****y and unconvincing, defensive, and very weird defensive memo to his own agents. Who clearly are not buying his BS. If they were, Comey wouldn’t have felt the need to issue this memo. Which will do him no good at all; he’s just digging deeper into the garbage in that dumpster behind that D.C. liquor store where he turns tricks.

    I’ve worked closely with NCIS on issues of personnel security and force protection. But here I’m going to emphasize my experience working with them on personnel security issues.

    Department of Defense

    DIRECTIVE

    NUMBER 5200.2

    April 9, 1999

    ASD(C3I)

    SUBJECT: DoD Personnel Security Program

    …3. POLICY

    It is DoD policy that:

    3.1. The objective of the personnel security program is that military, civilian, and contractor personnel assigned to and retained in sensitive positions, in which they could potentially damage national security, are and remain reliable and trustworthy, and there is no reasonable basis for doubting their allegiance to the United States…

    I have firsthand knowledge about how they conduct investigations when there is reason to doubt whether or not an individual remains reliable and trustworthy, should be retained in a sensitive position where they could damage national security or remain eligible for a clearance, and may have committed a criminal violation of the Espionage Act. And considering NCIS often conducts these investigations jointly with the FBI (that MM1 who’s going to prison for far less then what Hillary! did is going to Club Fed as a result of such a joint investigation) I have it on good authority that the FBI doesn’t do it any differently.

    Given the discrepancies in her testimony, which is at odds with her record (including the fact she held a clearance as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee) and her public statements about how she’s well aware of the requirements for safeguarding classified information, it’s simply not believable that she claimed in her FBI “interview” that can’t recall ever receiving a briefing on the subject, wasn’t aware of requirements for safeguarding classified information, didn’t know about classification levels, and thought (C) had something to do with alphabetical order. Playing dumb is the oldest trick in the book. No investigator no matter how green would have bought this from anyone else. And they would have at the very least polygraphed anyone else.

    But it wouldn’t really matter because she signed at least one (no doubt more for access to other levels of classified information) legally binding contract with the USG, her SCI Non Disclosure Agreement, that contradicts all her lies.

    http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HRC-SCI-NDA1.pdf

    So it really doesn’t matter what she says now, she’s married to that legally binding
    contract. It was witnessed by the Department of State SSO. SSO stands for Special Security
    Officer. I know; I was one. I was often the briefing officer.

    (Cont.)

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  120. And somewhere Dustin is weeping…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. so now Lisa R. Bardack joins corrupt fat-ass Loretta Lynch and sleazy cowardly fbi dork James Comey up on the list of corrupt trash willing to throw away all their own integrity to lie for that pig

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  122. 96. I do note photos of his handshake with the Mexican Presidente show a normal wrap of his fingers about the smaller hombre’s mano.

    #nevertrump can’t learn.

    DNF (755a85)

  123. #120 Steve57,

    But what does any of that matter if you believe it doesn’t matter whether or not she’s defeated in November?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  124. I have said it before,
    and now seems to be a good time to say it again,
    the problem with making a significant part of the campaign Clinton, rather than Dem policies,
    is if she ends up not being the candidate,
    the high negative rating of the Dem candidate disappears overnight,
    making a steeper climb for Trump,
    I think.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  125. They’ll talk about teh deplorable reaction to Decrepit Demoness Dowager’s reaction to the antibiotics and the diuretic she needs to fight the “water-on-teh-cankles” thing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  126. #nevertrump claims she is just faking it, she’s always been alive.:

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/09/10/italian-man-arrested-allegedly-storing-dead-mother-freezer-keep-collecting-pension/

    She must prove she’s dead.

    DNF (755a85)

  127. Clinton’s press corps didn’t know about a “pneumonia” diagnosis:

    Follow

    Gabriel DebenedettiVerified account
    ‏@gdebenedetti

    This is the first Clinton’s press corps is hearing of her pneumonia. Unclear if we’d have been told if not for this morning’s incident.

    Followed by:

    If a potential president is sick, the public has a right to know. That’s just the way this works.

    Dana (995455)

  128. 125. ??? Really, are you Ok?

    DNF (755a85)

  129. Now they’re floating the buzz that Maudie should take ‘more time off??’

    o.O

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  130. I have said it before,
    and now seems to be a good time to say it again,
    the problem with making a significant part of the campaign Clinton, rather than Dem policies,
    is if she ends up not being the candidate,
    the high negative rating of the Dem candidate disappears overnight,
    making a steeper climb for Trump,
    I think.

    Makes sense.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  131. However, Hillary’s personal physician is saying Hillary had allergy-related coughing which led to pneumonia which led to being prescribed antibiotics, and Hillary roughed it and went to the 9/11 ceremony anyway, where she overheated due to the pneumonia and dehydration, and now she’s dehydrated and recovering nicely.

    So, no reason to switch candidates according to that.

    Back in reality, she has Parkinson’s.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  132. *now she’s hydrated

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  133. mg at #50 has it. I hear Liz has hired Bob the Torch and slow Frank as advisers.

    F1guyus (5a4596)

  134. pig can’t get in a car – with help – without losing a shoe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. 125. But an early hook I.e. tomorrow through Thursday might cost dem’ old white wominz and that crowd, disabused of the milestone, will go about their errands or vote like their husbands or other male relatives.

    urbanleftbehind (b39f0c)

  136. How do allergies lead to pneumonia?
    Wut?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  137. Well, so nice of her to go spread pneumonia amongst the public at the 9/11 ceremony in densely packed New York then, after she almost passes out because of it, have a photo op with a little girl outside her daughter’s apartment going, “Here, come close! Get some pneumonia, little girl.”

    #Leadership

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  138. Walkin’ Pneumonia and teh Hair of Dog Too

    She wanna jump but they’re afraid she’ll fall.
    She wanna holler but she coughs is all.
    Lock step rhythm’s got teh media too.
    She got walkin’ pneumonia and teh hair of dog too

    Want some lovin’, baby, from her Huma
    The Beast with two backs, it ain’t just a rumor.
    Lock step rhythm’s got teh media too.
    She got walkin’ pneumonia and teh hair of dog too

    She wanna scream, she wants teh world to know
    Her mouth is runnin’ but her mind’s too slow.
    Lock step rhythm’s got teh media too.
    She got walkin’ pneumonia and teh hair of dog too.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. “6. She stumbles and begins to fall. Immediately so.”
    Nope.
    Watch her head before she even takes a step.
    Her head is wobbling, then her whole body lurches to the left before she has even taken a step. Then her whole body kind of slumps — BEFORE she even moves her feet.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  140. As Trump draws within the margin of error in battle ground srates:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/09/wow-gop-leads-senate-races-four-key-battleground-states/

    Another day more #nevertrump suckazz.

    DNF (755a85)

  141. The wobbly Hillary Head would supplant teh dancin hula girl on dashboards… It would kill!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. The pneumonia, if that’s what it is, comes from excessive swallowing due to Parkison’s. Levodopa isn’t cutting it any more. Hillary is dying.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  143. Gee.

    My radiator overheated but cooled once it was rehydrated. But the engine keeps coughing.

    Maybe the Jeep has pneumonia.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. “#140. She stumbles…”

    Oh, hashing this out in blog comments don’t matter.
    This 20 second video will be examined frame by frame and reported all over the internet. Everybody has computers now and a zillion people have grabbed a copy of that video off of youtube.

    Already we know that something metallic(?) fell out of her pants leg at the 13 sec mark. By tomorrow, the exact frame number will be well known.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  145. If ObamaCare had been available to former Senators, former First Ladies, and Former Secretaries of Email, then this old hag wouldn’t have caught Parkinson’s!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  146. Since it is the anniversary, these clowns would’ve told the press about Clinton’s pneumonia just to highlight what a trooper she is and safeguard against/mitigate any mishaps.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  147. @143. If there’s a thread of truth to that, what’s the prognosis for someone with Parkison’s at her age with the supposed symptoms at that stage?

    Wouldn’t be surprised if it came down to revealing it, Maudie’s campaign would say 4 years to 8 years at least and FDR did fine for 3 terms with polio.

    Always the cover-up. The poor judgement and astonishing lack of candor is mind-blowing.

    And what does the press ask instead (notably CNN): why isn’t Trump responding to this????

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  148. @92 DCSCA

    She was doing an interpretive 9/11 performance piece like Annie Sprinkle.

    Pinandpuller (03e1a4)

  149. But Michael Morell, the former CIA deputy director, told CNN’s Jake Tapper Sunday he was with Clinton Friday for a national security meeting and “she looked fantastic. She had high energy.”
    “There are times in all of our lives when we don’t feel well,” he said. “I missed some of the briefings immediately after 9/11 because I wasn’t feeling well. So let’s not make more of this than there is.”

    ooh look cia trashpansy Mike Morell is vouching for the pig

    they’re really scraping the bottom of the credibility barrel

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  150. I guess if any of us had written 50,000 emails about yoga class during the past several past years, we’d probably be lacking in energy, too!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  151. Well, now that the troops have been directed to push the PNEUMONIA meme the msm have their pedal to the metal. They really are amazing in their shilliness.

    Everyone disperse….move along……..absolutely nothing to see here.

    harkin (afc7a6)

  152. Deputy CIA Director Michael Morell, the cia poofterslut who took the blame for editing the Obama administration’s Benghazi talking points, announced his retirement Wednesday.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  153. There IS a conspiracy.

    And that’s the Hillary campaign lying about her health and covering up her illness.

    P.S. Even if it’s just pneumonia, this is true. Did you hear about it before today? No, no you did not.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  154. You can tell how agnostic the #NeverTrumpers are about this issue, because none of them has stopped by to take a fun poke at the Red Queen.
    But I imagine if Trump had tripped, or sneezed, then …

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  155. 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin’ Groovy) 15th Anniversary Trip Song (Feelin’ Woozy)

    Slow down, she’s gonna puke
    You know by now this ain’t no fluke.
    Just blowin’ chunks like some drunken floozie
    Fightin’ for air and feelin’ woozy

    Hello lamppost,
    Don’tcha mind her
    She’s tackin’ west teh street’s one big blur
    Ain’t she got her Depends on
    Poot-in’ doo-doo,
    Feelin’ woozy

    Got no stops to make
    No promises to keep.
    Fat cankles and drowsy and ready to sleep.
    Let the media make their excuses for her
    Christ, this gets old
    All is woozy

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  156. @8- She hasn’t been in a kitchen in years, either. Remember– no baking cookies.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. @157. Four stars.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  158. You can read the report on whitewash the FBI conducted here, farcically and insulting titled “Clinton E-Mail Investigation”:

    https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton

    It’s full of smoking guns, and not just about Clinton. For instance, the sysadmin for the server (originally an Apple OS-X set up for Billy Jeff circa 2007) was a guy named Justin Cooper. Note on page 3 of 47 of part 1 he contacted and hired Brian Pagliano at Huma Abedin’s recommendation to help him build a new server to replace the Apple server.

    But ol’ Huma told the FBI she wasn’t aware of the private server until it became public news. This is unpossible. This simply was not a real investigation; it was, as I implied earlier, a farce. The DoS, after being forced by a judge in a FOIA case, unwillingly and reluctantly released Clinton’s emails. We have email chains which include Huma discussing the unreliability of the Pagliano-built server. We have emails from Pagliano to Huma informing her that he had to shut down the server because of a hacking attempt. On page 5 of 47 of part 1 Cooper told the FBI that in early 2013 that Hillary! and Billy Jeff aides discussed their concerns leading over the unreliability of the server, which resulted in the contract with Platte River Networks. Does anybody doubt that Huma was one of those aides? We’ll never know for sure because apparently the FBI wasn’t interested in finding out who those aides were.

    Real investigators would have been. The report is full of discrepancies that, had this been a real investigation, would have been what have raised red flags. But it’s clear Comey was personally involved in this investigation for one reason and one reason only. To make sure his agents didn’t try to resolve those discrepancies. Because that would have resulted in what happens if this were a real investigation. It would have expanded. Investigations always lead to investigators pursuing possible crimes that they weren’t originally investigating, but as the discover more information they learn about other possible crimes. But these FBI agents were strangely uncurious and just let it slide. Because, Hillary!

    The FBI notes on Clinton’s non-interview is part 2 of 2. Frankly it’s unbelievable. Hillary! can recall a lot of detail but her memory fails her when it’s convenient. For instance, she recalls the SCI inbrief and signing the NDA. But she can’t recall any specific briefing on how to handle SCI. Look at para 2 in my previous comment. She signed an NDA that says she’s been briefed on the nature and protection of SCI. That’s all about proper handling. So it just doesn’t effin’ matter what she says she can’t recall. Had this been a real investigation the investigators would have gone to the SSO before interviewing Hillary! and would have known what the inbrief consists of. They would have know it includes procedures for the safe handling and storage of SCI. And for anybody not named Clinton that would have been all she wrote.

    Look at the bottom of page 2 of Hillary!’s NDA. Look at those programs she had been read into. People go to prison for mishandling information pertaining to those programs. Especially “G.”

    (Cont.)

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  159. the reason there is no good that can come from going on with f chuck,

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-lied-chuck-todd-revisits-post-911-iraq-war-run-up-with-wolfowitz/

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. How can you spin this?

    “Pneumonia is deplorable.”

    Oops.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  161. and a piece by a fmr daily caller reporter, details the full kevin bacon array of ties, inspector dreyfus, had professionally and personally to spectre, it’s as pat gray had been a minion of howard hughes, and robert vesco,

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. After unfairly misdescribing Dana’s post, Trumpkin Denver Guy, having first given his comprehensive medical expertise about a video of a woman hidden mostly by a crowd, decides to admit, when pressed civilly by DRJ, that:

    Alright, fair enough. I stand corrected. We’re in agreement that Clinton was physically weak and/or disoriented and that’s why she stumbled.

    How about: “I was wrong to put those words in your mouth, and I now apologize”?

    C’mon, surprise us all by being a human being instead of a Trump imitator, for once.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  163. Mid morning: “I’m gonna keel over, get me out of here and keep the cameras away!”

    Late morning: “I got a little overheated but I feel WONDERFUL now, there’s nothing wrong”

    Early afternoon; [video showing HC wobbly and apparently fainting circle the internets]

    Late afternoon: “I’ve got pneumonia….yeah, thassit, pneumonia!”

    harkin (afc7a6)

  164. 104. Dana (995455) — 9/11/2016 @ 2:30 pm

    I’ve now read at least 8 credible sources in NYC say that it was gorgeous weather today, and not hot and stifling which might lead to overheating (albeit not at 9:30 in the morning).

    Friday and Saturday were hit, getting into tghe low 90s. I think 91 degrees on Friday, and probably about the same on Saturday. I remember someone remarking to me how hot it was on Friday while we were waiting for a bus. I said I didn’t feel hot. I usually don’t. Just perspire. Earlier in the week it was cooler, mostly because of Hurricane Hermione which was offshore. It’s also going to be in the high 70s tomoro, then the low 80s.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  165. and the saliency of this fellow is of more relevance,

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/295229-tim-kaines-radical-roots

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. Hillary’s doctor said she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday

    It’s not clear to me how that caused weakness in her legs making it difficult for her to stand.

    She’ll still sticking with that allergy diagnosis for the cough.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  167. Sammy,

    But the “heat” is no longer the excuse.
    The woman has pneumonia! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  168. who’s gonna have a lotta feelgood writing a four or five figure check to this doddering diseased stenchpig?

    you gotta figure people with the means to do so are smart enough to understand this may not be a very good investment on their part

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  169. She was wearing flats, was being held up by aides as the van approached and collapsed.

    That was no “stumble.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  170. If Hillary Clinton made her current medical records public, and crowdsourced a diagnosis, and let doctors comment on it, she’d get this thing resolved in no time. Even if some people would make malicious commentary.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  171. “We all know how [Hillary’s] opponent has done well down in West Virginia and eastern Kentucky,” the former president told the crowd at the Greater Pittsburgh Coliseum. “The coal people don’t like any of us [Democrats] anymore.”

    maybe piggy should’ve said she got herself a light case of the black lung

    two birds one stone and all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  172. you have to give them for their persistance,

    https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/775094306180894720

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. We probably need facial recognition software to confirm that the woman who came out after at the apartment to say she was all better and do the photo op with the little girl was really Hillary Clinton and not a body double.

    Look at the nose. Also, the energy level. Seems not implausible that it isn’t Hillary, as crazy as that sounds.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  174. if the diseased pig had actually been diagnosed on friday with pneumonia, even our inept secret service trash would’ve taken a brief time out from screwing underaged foreign hookers to make sure that there was a car waiting for the pig just in case

    but they didn’t did they

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. 147.The source of Ross’s captions
    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/unetanah-tokef/#

    kishnevi (417b3c)

  176. I could have sworn I heard the tune “Swing low, sweet chariot. Mama come and take me home” as the Secret Service guys humped her into the van.

    Drider (340c7b)

  177. #173 Sammy,

    Why do you continue to carry water for this woman?
    Of course, the answer is, “Because she would stumble if she had to carry the bucket herself.” (LOL)

    This is not malicious commentary.
    All day long, we were told she suffered from heat stroke even though it was only about 79 degrees when she passed out.
    When that didn’t gain traction, they came back and said, “OH BY THE WAY, SHE’S HAD PNEUMONIA FOR SEVERAL DAYS!”

    Come on, Sammy.
    This wouldn’t fly if it had happened to an older GOP nominee such as Reagan or Dole or McCain.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  178. didn’t know of that poem, it is in keeping with many of the prophetic warnings,

    in the end, we are enjoined to realize that no temporal ruler can save us, some encourage more dark forces than others,

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., said he spent time before the ceremony chatting with Clinton and watching her sign autographs and take pictures. He said he was standing behind her during the remembrance and “she did not seem out of the ordinary at all.”

    “It was stiflingly hot. I was sweating through my shirt,” Crowley said. “I had to leave myself. I drank about a gallon of water.”

    ohnoes joe has pneumonia too!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  180. Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/11/2016 @ 3:55 pm
    My uncle has had two bad falls in the last four years. Doctors blamed undiagnosed pneumonia both times. The falls resulted in serious neurological damage, especially the first one, which caused intracranial bleeding and put him in the hospital and rehab for two months or more. The second one was less serious but still required hospital time and he can no longer drive. He is about 75 y.o.

    Apparently the pneumonia can cause overall weakness and balance problems

    kishnevi (417b3c)

  181. the story as you can gather, doesn’t really catch my attention,

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/8/visa-security-loophole-exploited-by-911-attackers-/

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. “I have pneumonia, but I’m feeling great! Here, let me hug this little child.”
    RightWired  (@_donaldson)

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  183. Our friend DRJ has told us we can survive the next 12 years of Democrat rule.
    If that’s true, then what’s the point of busting our asses each 4 years to try to win a presidential election?

    Cruz Supporter

    I imagine if DRJ and Cruz Supporter were on a roadtrip, and a volcano erupted fifty miles up the road, DRJ would say there’s no point driving over a cliff into the ravine to avoid the volcano. Cruz Supporter would start shouting an endless repetition of how bad volcanoes are for a car’s undercarriage and one faces a binary choice of suicide this way or suicide that way. Cruz Supporter would claw at the wheel until her fingernails flew off (I imagine those sticker fingernails) trying to crash the car.

    No, there’s really no point doing such things, in my opinion.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  184. i love roadtrips

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  185. http://observer.com/2016/09/emailgate-and-the-mystery-of-the-missing-gamma/

    I’m not at all comfortable discussing that program. John Schindler discusses it at the link above. The FBI never mentions it in the report. They never even mention dates of emails in which it’s compromised. Moreover, if you’ve been read in you know it when you see it. It doesn’t need to be marked, which blows Clinton’s excuse about how she can’t recognize classified unless it’s marked classified right out of the water.

    But this wasn’t an investigation, it was a foreordained whitewash.

    To show how laughable this is, on page 2 of part 2 according to the FBI interview notes, Hillary! acknowledges that by executive order as Secretary of State she was designated an Original Classification Authority. It’s not really complicated; determining whether or not something needs to be classified, at what level, and any handling caveats is a straightforward six step process (beginning on page 3).

    http://www.dss.mil/multimedia/shorts/dss_oca_fy11/common/cw/data/CDSE_OCA_Student_Guide.pdf

    There are no exemptions for the heads of executive branch departments and agencies. Yes, they can and should delegate the authority because it’s a full time job. But anyone designated as an OCA is required to have annual training regardless if they do it as a full time job or if they’ve delegated the responsibility. No exceptions. And the bizarre thing is Hillary! claims she can’t recall ever getting a briefing or training on the subject, she doesn’t know about classification levels, and she CAN’T RECALL HOW OFTEN SHE EXERCISED THIS AUTHORITY!

    Yeah, you read that right. Apparently she exercised this authority, which is vital to safeguard national security, but she doesn’t know how it’s supposed to work.

    This whole FBI report is an indictment of both Clinton and the FBI. The FBI accepted as excuses and/or mitigating factors which, had they been uttered by anyone else, would have constituted admissions of guilt. Despite Comey’s claim he couldn’t find any indication that Hillary! intentionally violated 18 USC 793, and his ridiculous claim that gross negligence is an un-American or at least unconstitutional standard for prosecuting anyone despite numerous SCOTUS decisions finding it perfectly American and constitutional, this report is riddled with indications of intent.

    Which the FBI ignored, because its director intended from the start to turn a blind eye to it.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  186. I have to say I think these collapses HELP Hillary. But I know I think very differently than others.

    A president isn’t a Superman leader whose leg I hide behind. I don’t expect a president to solve any problems nor do I want them to solve my problems. A weak president is a great thing. Especially when it’s a choice between two corrupt candidates with two vice presidential options that are obviously quite a bit better.

    So Hillary isn’t up for the rigors of a hard job. My vote for her just became a lot easier with the hope she will be phoning it in, relying on advisers, possibly turning things over to Kaine.

    Come November, fears about Hillary will have that asterisk. Fears about Trump will not. And that’s what this election is really about. Which of these two monsters are less scary? The election isn’t about a path for the country or a wall to obstruct illegal immigrants. It’s about being scared of the other side’s candidate.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  187. If they replace her with that nice man Biden, Trump won’t stand a chance.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  188. lol you’ve been saying all along Mr. Trump didn’t have a chance against the vile diseased pig

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  189. let’s review what we know

    even if Mr. Trump can’t beat “Joe Biden,” he can still beat the pants off a weak-ass whiny kim davis-loving greasy constitution-fetishizing sore loser like harvardtrash ted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  190. CNN’s media man, Brian ‘Seltzer,’ spritzes spin on the optics: it’s about projecting strength and courage because she’s the first woman running for president. So it showed how strong she is to go to rallies and memorial gatherings diagnosed with ‘pneumonia.’

    No.

    It shows her incredibly poor judgement at work.

    First the lie about allergic ‘overheating.’ Then the 48 hour cover story until forced to reveal a diagnosis of ‘pneumonia’ (if that’s true.) And then the ‘Typhoid Mary’ tactic, exposing people at a fundraiser, at the 9/11 memorial and even a small child on the street to her bug.

    That’s not projecting strength. That’s demonstrating incredibly poor judgement to the American people.

    ____________

    Look closely at Maudie’s lower back in that video as she ‘jellos’ before collapsing. Hands appear to be supporting her in that region. Similar to the pillows in chairs she has been using for months for support.

    Something amiss is going on behind her back. And ours.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  191. She woulda been a contendah–except for the pneumonia.

    Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b)

  192. even if Mr. Trump can’t beat “Joe Biden,” he can still beat the pants off a weak-ass whiny kim davis-loving greasy constitution-fetishizing sore loser like harvardtrash ted

    This much is true.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  193. @191. I have to say I think these collapses HELP Hillary.

    Yeah. Like all those images of FDR in a wheelchair used in campaign films and posters helped him.

    Oh wait… they cloaked that.

    Or the ‘vigorously‘ publicized records of JFK suffering from Addison’s Disease among other ailments.

    Oh wait. They vehemently denied that, too.

    Pffft.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  194. diseased stinkypig hillary clinton collapsed again today, underscoring her fitness for office

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  195. Cruz Supporter/Elephant Stone,

    It’s fine for you to interpret what I said but please don’t attribute your interpretation to me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  196. you know you don’t give the tell about fight club,

    https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/774605295117033473

    narciso (d1f714)

  197. if stinkypig withheld her sickly diseased status from the secret service thugs, she’s once again demonstrated her unfitness for office

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. ” I don’t expect a president to solve any problems nor do I want them to solve my problems. A weak president is a great thing.”

    That ain’t just stuck on stupid, that’s stupid putting down roots.

    LBascom (7b6094)

  199. It will be difficult perp walking with those cankles.

    mg (31009b)

  200. I would phrase it differently, you think huma or sid vicious or reines would do anything differently this time around,

    narciso (d1f714)

  201. they should stick to cat videos, that’s what they are good at,

    https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/775116737654259712

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. If there’s a God in Heaven let him deliver to Mr Trump the license to ‘Don’t Fear the Reaper’ amen.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  203. will be difficult perp walking with those cankles.

    mg (31009b) — 9/11/2016 @ 5:10 pm

    Just sayin’…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  204. Look closely at Maudie’s lower back in that video as she ‘jellos’ before collapsing. Hands appear to be supporting her in that region. Similar to the pillows in chairs she has been using for months for support.

    Something amiss is going on behind her back. And ours.
    ======================================

    Teh Shari Lewis Election! Hillary “Lambchop” Clinton! That explains so much.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. ” I don’t expect a president to solve any problems nor do I want them to solve my problems. A weak president is a great thing.”

    That ain’t just stuck on stupid, that’s stupid putting down roots.

    LBascom

    No, it’s not stupid to solve our own problems and not rely on a powerful government. The foolishness is two factions finding more and more things to fight over, using an ever expanding and powerful government as a tool in that fight.

    The more powerful our federal executive has become, the dimmer our nation. Our nation was intended to be strong innately, with states ties together but not controlling eachother via a federal government.

    But this is all probably going over your head. So you just insult the entire concept of limited government because you’re such a fan of the reality TV show host. Brought to you by Carl’s Jr.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  206. 177. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/11/2016 @ 4:06 pm

    if the diseased pig had actually been diagnosed on friday with pneumonia, even our inept secret service trash would’ve taken a brief time out from screwing underaged foreign hookers to make sure that there was a car waiting for the pig just in case

    but they didn’t did they

    It was a secret.

    They didn’t say anything to the Secret Service.

    202. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/11/2016 @ 5:07 pm

    if stinkypig withheld her sickly diseased status from the secret service thugs, she’s once again demonstrated her unfitness for office

    Well, that’s true, but no more so than with the e-mail server. Once again, like you say. But bear in mind: Trump is also unfit. We are being asked to grade on a curve, with at least one of them being given a passing grade.

    One thing, though: There was no reason for the Secret Service to take extra precautions. There always is, anyway, I heard on NBC News on TV, a medical van or something, that goes with the major presidential nominees. Maybe that what you see in the picture was the ambulette.

    Or maybe the campaign didn’t use it. Somebody tapped her on the shoulder and said it was time to go, so somebody was watching her very closely.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  207. “It’s not clear to me how that caused weakness in her legs making it difficult for her to stand.”

    It’s called “Sudden Manus Withdrawal Syndrome”, Sammeh.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  208. how far down the rabbit hole, they will go,

    https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/775110752189296640

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. Ya know, Teddy Roosevelt gave an hour and a half speech after taking a would be assasin’s bullet to the chest.

    She looked like she was slated to wake up in a plastic room with Michael C Hall standing over her with pictures of the Benghazi victims on the wall.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  210. like berzerkers, her minions would rampage, through the realm, like their personal westeros,

    narciso (d1f714)

  211. When you’re in love with a pitiful woman-it’s hard.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  212. kishnevi (417b3c) — 9/11/2016 @ 4:18 pm

    My uncle has had two bad falls in the last four years. Doctors blamed undiagnosed pneumonia both times. The falls resulted in serious neurological damage, especially the first one, which caused intracranial bleeding and put him in the hospital and rehab for two months or more. The second one was less serious but still required hospital time and he can no longer drive. He is about 75 y.o.

    Apparently the pneumonia can cause overall weakness and balance problems

    Undiagnosed pneumonia? Is it only diagnosed because of the weakness and balance problems?

    Somebody should check the BUN and the white blood cell count in such cases. Probably they don’t take these tests often enough, and then if they do, they attribute a high BUN to kidney problems, rather than to an infection.

    I am beginning to think their whole medical theory is incorrect.

    I can see how an infection coud cause overall weakness. The body needs to break down protein tissue – usually muscle tissue – to get the raw nutrients needed to manufacture antibodies, and in elderly people, everything is less efficient..

    They do seem to think on a website that an upper respiratory tract infection can cause balance problems, but they don’t have an explanation for that. Infections could cause breakdowns of body tissue, but why that?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  213. “No, it’s not stupid to solve our own problems and not rely on a powerful government”

    That’s a long way from “I don’t expect a president to solve any problems” and “A weak president is a great thing.”

    If that’s your concept of limited government, then I understand your support for Hillary.

    And I stand by my comment you replied to…

    LBascom (7b6094)

  214. HRC could also have a tendency to fall simply because her blood pressure might be too low. Falls are an often overlooked side effect of pills lowering blood pressure. She’s not said to be taking that, though.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/low-blood-pressure/basics/complications/con-20032298

    Even moderate forms of low blood pressure can cause not only dizziness and weakness but also fainting and a risk of injury from falls.

    Doctors don’t want to blame themselves, so they don’t say here artificially lowered blood pressure..

    Oh. here’s something:

    http://betterhealthwhileaging.net/falls-blood-pressure-medications-elderly/
    g/diseases-conditions/low-blood-pressure/basics/complications/con-20032298

    The study, completed by a team of geriatrics researchers at Yale, found that in older adults aged 70 or older, taking blood pressure medication was linked to a higher risk of serious falls. (Serious falls as in, falls that caused an ER visit for a fracture, a dislocated joint, or a brain bleed. Serious stuff indeed!)

    The rate doesn’t seem to be all that higher.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  215. Back in reality, she has Parkinson’s.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/11/2016 @ 2:54 pm

    I have Parkinson’s. On bad days I can have dyskinesia, but it has never looked like Hillary’s shaking her head from side to side in me or in anyone in my Parkinson’s support group. I take a generic of Sinimet which is a combination of Carbidopa and Levodopa 4 times a day and an extended release version when I go to sleep. Besides the tremor which the medication takes care of I also shuffle my feet when walking, though not all the time. I no longer have the ability to do tasks that require fine motor skills like writing. Without the Sinimet I have a lot of muscle pain. When I get up in the morning I can barely walk and I’m bent over. About 20 minutes after taking my first dose of Sinimet I can stand up straight and walk. Sometimes I drool, but that’s because my body forgets to swallow, so I have to remember to swallow. I do occasionally fall, usually because I get my feet tangled up or loose my balance when turning. Stress makes all of my symptoms worse.

    While not all Parkinson’s patients have symptoms, I don’t believe Hillary has Parkinson’s. You can see while she was waiting that her head tilted to the left, then she started to collapse, and her handlers dragged her into the Van.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  216. Hey narciso, did you see that frodo is bringing dirk gently to bbca?

    Just to stay on topic, I guess that the metal that dropped out of Hill’s trouser leg was a hot potato because nobody picked it up.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  217. sorry to hear that, there seems to be some kind of debilitating condition that keeps her under wraps, clearly there is no plausible account that comes from her side of the ledger,

    narciso (d1f714)

  218. no I haven’t unfortunately I no longer have bbc on my program, maybe I can find a way to stream it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  219. Sammy,

    At one time I had walking double pneumonia. I felt dizzy and would get out of breath if I bent over. I had to be told to go to the doctor. It was undiagnosed until I went to the doctor who diagnosed the problem. So it was undiagnosed until I went to the doctor.

    Whatever the case, I don’t believe that she’s fit for the office of POTUS.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  220. Sammy, I am going by what the doctors told my father and other family members. I am in Florida and my uncle is in Boston. Apparently they did find the pneumonia once he was in the hospital.
    But the doctors were at Mass General, so they know what they were doing.

    kishnevi (417b3c)

  221. Referencing Dirk Gently again it could be that Hillary is the scandal goddess and explain all the human sacrifice.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  222. Mrs. Grifter just lost another round to L.K.Hall.

    mg (31009b)

  223. I’m not as familiar with that series, as with hitchhikers guide,

    narciso (d1f714)

  224. Down goes Frazier!!!

    mg (31009b)

  225. they really do strain credulity,

    https://twitter.com/DrZuhdiJasser/status/775135390298537986

    narciso (d1f714)

  226. @191: I have to say I think these collapses HELP Hillary

    In this election they do, because they make her look less dangerous.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  227. Sammy, you can exhale after smoking the bong.

    mg (31009b)

  228. No more hot yoga Hillary.

    Some like Cernovich think the yoga sessions are really secret doctor appointments.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  229. Someone is actually finding some linkage between Hillary’s physical infirmities and the idea we’d get limited government from her.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  230. Way too much medical speculation,
    And Sammy, I love you like a brother,
    But your medical forays still are a mix of insufficient knowledge and over-thinking the wrong things

    Older people, like newborns, often do not show classic symptoms with infections, like sometimes the temp will drop instead of a fever, and a cough may not be prominent.

    Anything that weakens the body of an older person could cause faintness, or more likely a combination of several things.

    Things will sort themselves out in due course.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  231. Tanny O’Haley (c674c7) — 9/11/2016 @ 6:21 pm

    At one time I had walking double pneumonia. I felt dizzy and would get out of breath if I bent over. I had to be told to go to the doctor. It was undiagnosed until I went to the doctor who diagnosed the problem. So it was undiagnosed until I went to the doctor.

    That sounds like having pneumonia was like doing heavy exercise.

    Oh wait – it reduced lung capacity! And the blood oxygen level. Then it’s like COPD.

    And yes: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-falls-copd-idUSKCN0QJ1QE20150814

    Past research has linked COPD to an increased risk of balance difficulties, muscle weakness, thinning bones, blackouts and falls.

    And it’s worse if they have previous falls.

    Which is logical: The falls they would tabulate would be ones that cause injury, that is, where the fall wasn’t broken, because the person’s reflexes were slower, so yes, previous tumbles would be linked to a higher probability of yet more tumbles. Also, if you have a fear of falling, that may very well be justified.

    There’s a little thing that can be clipped onto a finger that they have in hospitals and maybe other places too now that measures blood oxygen levels. (it uses ultraviolet light, I think)

    Normally that shouldn’t drop much, because someone will breathe more or less or do more or less exertion. When it goes down, that’s a problem. I think the level drops sometimes during sleep, but for good reasons. But not too much. Too much indicates sleep apnea.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  232. I have to say I think these collapses HELP Hillary

    In this election they do, because they make her look less dangerous.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/11/2016 @ 6:39 pm

    In what way exactly? Endangering national security?

    Gerald A (76f251)

  233. Way too much medical speculation,

    Be careful, MD, as I’ve learned today, we’re supposed to accept the diagnosis of Trumpers. It’s a given, and any reasonable person who questions the wisdom of making an online diagnoses, is to be mocked. Discussing possibilities is one thing, but claiming to know what is wrong is ridiculous.

    Dana (995455)

  234. Sammy,

    We need a President who has more energy.
    She may be legitimately suffering from some rare form of xyz, but that’s not the person who should be relied upon to pick up the phone at 3AM when there’s a national crisis, you know what I mean?

    Sadly, I don’t think you know what I mean.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  235. Sadly, I don’t think you know what I mean.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/11/2016 @ 7:06 pm

    I’m not sure Sammy knows what he means.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  236. Be careful, MD, as I’ve learned today, we’re supposed to accept the diagnosis of Trumpers.

    Dana (995455) — 9/11/2016 @ 7:04 pm

    Is Sammy a Trumper?

    Gerald A (76f251)

  237. @209 Lamb Chop? Try Miss Piggy. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  238. If she has a bacterial or viral pneumonia with coughing fits, why is she in public infecting everybody, doc? Including the little girl in her photo op today.

    She has aspiration pneumonia, that’s the answer: Parkinson’s.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  239. @214- Yet JR is the ‘Bully’.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  240. Gerald A,

    You’re like the late Pat Summerall commentating on NFL games; while everyone else is yelling about this or that, you simply interject, “First down, Dallas.” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  241. @245. See #149.

    So what’s the prognosis?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  242. Four years of Trump.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  243. I didn’t appreciate Pat Summerall’s announcing that much when he was doing it, but now I wish he was still around.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  244. DCSCA,

    Tomorrow night, with the advent of MDF 2016, men across the country will be asking themselves, “Do I want this dumpy woman who just tripped while getting into a minivan to have the nerve to tell me when to take out the trash? The Rams have good field position!” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  245. @240. No, you’re supposed to accept what your own eyes have witnessed and couple that with th latest, deliberate 48 hour cover-up, blown by circumstances beyond their control, then add it to the list. If Maude hadn’t gone ‘jello’ in public at the memorial on Sunday they’d never have told America she had been diagnosed with “pneumonia” on Friday.

    Something is obviously off with Maudie and given their history on all things Clinton, there’s little reason to grant her the benefit of the doubt.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  246. @251, LOL

    Not tripped. Not stumbled. That was a collapse.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  247. @228 narciso

    There’s a guy who gets followed by clouds and rain constantly.

    It turns out he’s actually Thor, banished to Earth by Odin to be a lorry driver. That’s why storms follow him everywhere he goes.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  248. Dustin

    Gloria Allred speculated that Michael Richards’ n bomb rant could actually help his career.

    Only time will tell.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  249. Things will sort themselves out in due course.
    MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/11/2016 @ 6:51 pm

    I love the way you put that, MD in Philly. It’s call reaching one’s expiration date.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  250. It sounds like Biden’s strategy was to stay tan, rested and untainted by the primary.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  251. #120 Steve57,

    But what does any of that matter if you believe it doesn’t matter whether or not she’s defeated in November?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/11/2016 @ 2:44 pm

    When did I ever say it doesn’t matter? I’ve said it’s too damned bad the idiot Trumpkins insisted on voting for the one candidate least likely to defeat her. It shouldn’t even be close at this point, and Trump is still running behind.

    Live by the polls, die by the polls. Trump and his supporters have always bragged about his poll numbers, whether it was Trump bragging about how much he was leading whichever candidate he was insulting at the time or his Trumpkins bragging about how self-selecting online polls showed Trump won every debate. So now take a bite of this s***sandwich and choke on the poll numbers. The RCP poll averages still has Clinton ahead of Trump, and Trump is behind in several must win states. And he’s not playing to win. Everybody agrees, he doesn’t even have anything resembling a serious ground game in must win states. Nothing that compares to Clinton’s.

    And Trump doesn’t care. Neither does his new campaign manager, apparently.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/09/06/trumps-campaign-manager-damn-right-can-win-without-pennsylvania/

    She was on TV the other day claiming Trump has lots of paths to victory without Pennsylvania.

    No he doesn’t. He’s on a trajectory to do worse than Romney. According to the RCP electoral vote map he’s been stuck at 154 likely electoral votes since late July. A drop of 10 from where he was before. So while it’s unlikely he’d ever have won in PA because other Republicans haven’t, it’s just not true he has lots of paths to victory. She’s blowing smoke. He has very few paths to victory. And it doesn’t look like he or his campaign staff are trying very hard to pursue them.

    So don’t tell me it matters that Hillary! is defeated. Tell the Donald. Also tell him it matters that the Republicans hold the Senate. Because he’s said it doesn’t really matter to him. He said he doesn’t mind being a “free agent” if they don’t.

    Fortunately the downticket GOP candidates are doing better than Trump, and the Democrats are increasingly worried that the that their chances of flipping the Senate are slipping away.

    And for me, that’s what really matters. Because Trump is not a big improvement over Clinton. For one major reason. The Democrats have weaponized every Department and agency in the executive branch, essentially turning them all into arms of the DNC.

    Trump recently caused a minor s***storm when he was asked what he had learned in his first intel briefing and he responded by saying he learned that President Obama doesn’t listen to the intel community, who he said are the “experts.”

    And then a bunch of intel officials, including DNI Clapper, feigned outrage over Trump revealing anything about what takes place in those briefings. I say feigned because the IC had already leaked that General Flynn caused friction in that briefing by asking pointed questions. So it’s OK for the IC to leak but not Trump. And what Trump said isn’t classified. It’s been in the news that Obama simply refuses to listen if the IC presents intel that doesn’t fit his leftist, freshman circa 1980 view of the world.

    And it’s also been in the news that at least 50 CENTCOM intel analysts have essentially mutinied and complained to their IG that their command is leaning on them to change their intel assessments to conform to Obama’s prejudices, primarily to say we’re successfully rolling up ISIS when we are definitely not.

    What’s ironic is that Clapper himself is playing a role in this politicization of intelligence.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/10/james-clapper-pentagon-military-official

    US spy chief’s ‘highly unusual’ reported contact with military official raises concerns

    James Clapper said to have frequent communication with military official who is said to be implicated in a Pentagon inquiry into manipulated intelligence

    Even the Pentagon has been politicized. You can go to Paul Ryan’s website if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

    What troubles me is that Trump thinks these people are the experts. They aren’t. They’re corrupt and frankly stupid if they they believe their own lies.

    Because current IC/NatSed officials (anonymously) and former IC/NatSec (openly) have crawled out of the woodwork like cockroaches when the light goes off to parrot Hillary!’s line that ISIS wants Trump to win because his “hateful anti-Muslim” comments and proposed policies is their major recruiting tool.

    No, it’s not. But this administration made the political decision to politicize intel by making it a firing offense to link terrorism in any way to Islam. And they purged all intel/counter terror training materials of any reference to Islam. So that’s what they have to say, now that Obama has given MB/Hamas front groups such as CAIR veto power over training and really over national security policy. So these people are toeing the company line when they leak.

    But on planet reality the real recruiting tool for the Islamic state is when it looks like we’re surrendering to the terrorists. They’ll kill the editors of Charlie Hebdo for “insulting the prophet,” then their co-conspirators such as Hamas-linked CAIR will play their role in this good cop/bad cop routine and demand exactly what the terrorists are demanding. We need to outlaw “Islamophic” hate speech, First Amendment be damned. They all share the same goals, which is to establish Sharia, in other words Muslim supremacy, throughout the entire world.

    And so Hillary! helped get UN resolution 16/18 passed, something ever previous administration has refused to do (including her husband’s) throughout the Organization of Islamic Cooperation’s 20+ year struggle to make Sharia blasphemy laws the law throughout the world. And Sharia blasphemy laws/slander laws outlaw the truth. So by agreeing to this, Hillary! is telling the terrorists that terrorism works. That’s the recruiting tool, not Trump.

    When Obama went to the UN and said “the future must not belong those who would slander the prophet of Islam” the Muslim world understood exactly what he was saying. That was Obama’s real audience. And Obama knew exactly what he was saying, and he also knew his domestic audience wouldn’t. Again, that’s telling the terrorists they’re winning. Terrorism works.

    And when this administration frogmarched the “hateful anti-Muslim film maker” to jail, after falsely blaming him and are silly First Amendment for causing violent rioters to assault our embassy in Cairo (it’s always America’s fault for Muslim violence), that was telling the terrorists, indeed the entire Muslim world, that terrorism works.

    Every time some Muhammad or Umar goes on a killing spree yelling Allahu Akbar and gives a speech about how he did it for Islam, and officials lie and say Islam is a religion of peace and has nothing to do with terrorism, that tells the terrorists and again all Muslims at least in the Islamic world that terrorism works. Because they know what their religion teaches, they know what their Imams preach in their Mosques every Friday, so they know better. Despite the idiocy coming out of Obama’s mouth about how he won’t talk about Islamic terrorism because then he’d be “legitimizing” groups like ISIS, nobody is looking to western leaders for legitimacy or to preach about true Islam or to tell them what Islam is or isn’t. They know the Allah of their Qurans says more than once that he will cast terror in the hearts of the unbelievers, and that he will do so using the hands of the Muslims. They know Muhammad says in their hadith collections, both the Sunni Khutub al Sitta (the six canonical books) and the Shia Khutub al Arba (their four canonical books) that “I have been made victorious through terror.” The only thing we can do in the west to legitimize terrorism in they eyes of Muslims throughout the Islamic world is to surrender to it. Which is exactly Obama’s policy. Although admittedly he isn’t alone in this, and other so-called leaders are implementing the same policy at a faster rate.

    And when you do that, you get more terrorism. Which makes terrorism much more popular with Muslims.

    Now some of these IC/NatSec leakers may actually believe this nonsense. But they’re not allowed to know the enemy. They can’t read their playbook, the canonical Islamic texts, that the Muslims have been using ostensibly for 1400 years. Consequently they’re not allowed to know their inspirations, goals, and strategy. They can’t even name the enemy.

    So it’s really scary that Trump thinks these people are the experts. They don’t even know who the enemy is, much less why they do what they do and what they want.

    What they do know is how to leak to the LHMFM. And they’re already setting the pattern. They’re going to oppose Trump every step of the way. After saying they’re they experts and Obama needs to listen to them, is he really going to ignore them when they start leaking that Trump’s policies are seriously damaging national security? No. And will he purge the DNC moles from all the other federal departments and agencies? No, not after the people politicizing the civil service will cry to the press that Trump is trying to “politicize” those departments and agencies.

    Because Trump likes big government. Big government is what made him rich.

    And that’s the problem. Who really rules us? An army of unaccountable officials. Not only on the Supreme Court, but in our bloated, out of control, unconstitutional fourth branch of government, the federal government. Does big government loving Donnie want to do anything about that? Would he do it while facing even the slightest pushback. There’s absolutely nothing that he said that indicates he has the slightest intention of doing anything about it. He doesn’t get it. And unless we have a President who gets it, the only question is do we drive over the cliff doing 80 with Don at the wheel or at 100 with Hillary! at the wheel.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  252. @PinandPuller:There’s a guy who gets followed by clouds and rain constantly.

    He’s not Thor, and that guy was in the Hitchhiker series, not Dirk Gently.

    Thor was banished to Earth by Odin and punished with disasters to innocent people every time he lost his temper.

    Gabriel Hanna (a90637)

  253. #253 DCSCA,

    You’re not as ideologically conservative as I am, but I don’t care, because you totally crack me up. The “Maude vs J.R. Ewing” paradigm is hilarious.
    Of course, what’s sad, is how so many of the people who might normally favor the pipeline are twisting themselves into pretzels telling us how Hillary’s a “wash” on every issue — including the pipeline.
    It’s patently false, but they don’t care.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  254. According to the Hill, Clinton has cancelled her scheduled swing through California on Monday and Tuesday. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295354-doctor-clinton-has-pneumonia-was-dehydrated-and

    Dana (995455)

  255. well he had general flynn beside him, who was a senior operator, and intelligence collector, he wrote the road map for the counterinsurgency strategy that petraeus and mccrystal followed in afghanistan, this is why when he saw these names pop up in libya and syria, he knew something was up,

    narciso (d1f714)

  256. Pinandpuller,

    The #NeverTrump show is like ‘Seinfeld;’ it’s about nothing.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  257. So, yeah, it does matter that Hillary! is defeated. Unfortunately we’re stuck with Trump.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  258. hence that 2012 memo about the salafist principality, it’s striking how we learned the wrong lesson from our first venture into afghanistan, where the seeds of aq were planted, but they were harvested in the balkans and the caucasus.

    narciso (d1f714)

  259. Late to the party but I’ll posit a theory. It was an episode of low blood sugar. They took her to her daughters apartment and fed her some live mice and a fluffy bunny to prevent a rebound of low sugar. A short time later she was fine.

    Azygos (198248)

  260. so she’s diana from v, or perhaps the other one played by june chadwick?

    narciso (d1f714)

  261. Hillary’s aide should have asked the NFL how to treat dehydration. There’s this thing called ‘Gatorade’

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  262. Aww, shoot wrong thread.

    Well, to be on topic for a change, Hillary! is definitely not well.

    https://twitter.com/ABCLiz/status/775082587119312897

    Her doctor says she was diagnosed with pneumonia two days ago. Maybe that’s true, I don’t know. I do know that Hillary! wouldn’t allow her doctor to say anything unless she had some public “medical episode” and made such a thing unavoidable. And I also know she would minimize the problem as much as possible. So what other health problems are she hiding?

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  263. @266 Azygos

    Is there a literal DNC Koolaid that they drink?

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  264. Gabriel Hanna

    The first DG plot was Hot Potato Don’t Pick It Up, right?

    I thought the second was Odin and Thor. Just going from RAM.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  265. Mike Cernovich of the Alt-Right (which is to say the present and future of culture and politics) points out the obvious: Parkinson’s

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  266. I had to go to Amazon real quick to check.

    DGHDA basically involves time travel and interrupting STC during the genesis of Xanadu.

    The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul involves Hot Potato, a refrigerator and Thor trying to fly to Oslo from Heathrow.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  267. Her doctor says she was diagnosed with pneumonia two days ago.

    What is the cause of this pneumonia? Viral or fungal, in which case she put the New York public at risk at the memorial and that little girl at risk after it?

    However, that may indicate no underlying health condition, but bad luck.

    Fungal? In which case could also be bad luck, but is not likely contagious.

    Aspiration? In which case, she is suffering from a neurological disorder and, while not contagious, is likely to have repeated bouts and quite possibly die from it.

    There’s a difference and Hillary’s campaign should be forthcoming.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  268. Pinandpuller

    Well to be accurate Jones actually used Flavor-aid not Kool-aid. And just for accuracy it only takes 50 micrograms of prussic acid to kill a human. I’m not sure what the liberal formula is but I do know arguing with a Hillary supporter is a waste of time.

    Azygos (198248)

  269. Cruz Supporter

    NBC exec: What did you do today?

    Nevetrump: Opposed Trump.

    Costanza: That’s the show!

    NBC exec: Why are we opposing Trump?

    Nevertrump: Because he’s on TV!

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  270. Dustin

    Gloria Allred speculated that Michael Richards’ n bomb rant could actually help his career.

    Only time will tell.

    Pinandpuller

    Are you sure? I thought Gloria Allred was just Trump in a wig. Although perhaps Richard’s racist rant was also Trump in a wig. It’s Trump and hairpieces all the way down you know.

    But one thing is actually certain: Trump will not win the presidency. A theory for quite some time has been that Hillary’s FBI treatment wasn’t free. That the October surprise is a swap in candidates. Everyone is so sick of these two that anyone reasonable would be more than a win, it would be a tidal game changer for down ticket races.

    Trump won the nomination because a weak GOP had so many candidates running and had no control over the leading two candidates, and had to resort to the less scary one (for them). The democrats are the opposite. Hillary won because the democrats are in total control of their party. If they want to replace Hillary, it’s going to happen. And supposing they intended to for months, health reasons would be the best excuse, but it would be better if there were episodes leading up to that point.

    Do I really believe in this conspiracy? No, not really. But the option remains open to replace Hillary, and if it really does look like she’s going to lose, of course the democrats will exercise it.

    After all, beating Trump is a moral imperative. It really is the right thing.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  271. They had to say something after this. Four gold stars to the flack who thought up “pneumonia”.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  272. Denver Guy @276, I believe this doctor’s statement as far as it goes. That two days ago she diagnosed Hillary! with pneumonia during an exam for her coughing fits, put her on antibiotics, and told her to modify her schedule and get more rest.

    But Hillary!’s violent, prolonged coughing fits didn’t just recently start. And Hillary! modified her schedule and has been getting more rest, taking three day breaks, over a month ago. If memory serves, shortly after the convention.

    So clearly she has health problems other than the pneumonia.

    As I understand it other forms of pneumonia, such as pneumonia caused by bacteria, are also contagious. Not all forms that are contagious are highly contagious, some require ideal conditions to spread. But I’m not a doctor so I don’t know which infecting agents are more contagious than others. I do know that people with healthy immune systems don’t normally get pneumonia because these infecting agents are all around us in the environment. The pneumonia may be related to an underlying condition, to what Dr. Drew called the bizarre and antiquated her doctors are using to treat that/those underlying condition(s), and it may be entirely unrelated because elderly people have compromised immune systems.

    And you were just kidding when you said the Clinton campaign needs to be forthcoming, right? The name Clinton and the word forthcoming don’t belong in the same sentence. H3ll, they don’t belong in the same state.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  273. so how long have they been covering up, probably since the convention, as to the travismockasham, there are so many corporations, industrial, media, et al, tied to the foundation, to make it untouchable, this is why I call it Spectre, the novel thunderball suggested it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  274. They had to say something after this. Four gold stars to the flack who thought up “pneumonia”.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/11/2016 @ 9:18 pm

    No, she may actually have pneumonia. But it’s still lying by omission because that’s obviously not all she has. So flack gets a gold star for giving up as little information as possible. The deliberately obtuse, in the tank LHMFM will be satisfied with this, as you well know. They’ll claim her only health problem is just a temporary condition, and go back to their normal mode of accusing anyone who questions the state of Hillary!’s health of being a a right wing conspiracy theorist. And obviously a sexist who only raises the issue because he’s an angry old white man who hates women as much as he hates minorities.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  275. That 3AM call is the warning buzzer of her 02 sats.

    Pinandpuller (b82342)

  276. After all, beating Trump is a moral imperative. It really is the right thing.

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    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  277. @260. Agreed. After the secret server revelations and the endless email parsing, she lost me. I just don’t believe Maudie anymore, nor trust her to be honest with the country.

    They learned nothing from the 1990’s.

    And they’re still lying about her health 60 days from the election. With three decades of government experience, she keeps demonstrating she can’t be trusted.

    Now, tonight, a canceled trip to the West Coast…she needs more ‘time off.’ A decision they should have made public along with the illness on Friday. She took much of August off, too. Perhaps she contracted “pneumonia” on Martha’s Vinyard.

    On several issues of interest to me personally, I’d tend to agree w/her (such as her space policy) but I’m willing to for go that. I lived by and worked in JR’s NYC in the boom-boom 80’s. Once you discern how to read through his Noo Yawk bluster, you can accept JR as a pragmatist who in the end, negotiates, cuts the deal, gets things done and moves on to the next project like the good little capitalist he is. The way he boxed up and sent the then big-time media mogul Merv Griffin packing back in the day remains classic.

    So from my POV, in a way, it’s a win/win. Neither are all that good and neither are all that bad.

    But I believe we’d both agree having Hagman haggling as Principal, Tilton and Gray jiggle into our living rooms for four years would be more entertaining than a pantsuited Bea Arthur coughing through every episode with that 1975 finger wag… especially in middle of MNF’s fourth quarter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  278. As an aside, just found out our Hispanic AirBnB guest is an enthusiastic, nay passionate and driven, Trump supporter … and he says many Hispanics he knows are as well; he thinks far more than believed Hispanics will support Trump come election day.

    Widsdom. Gotta love it.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  279. Denver Guy @276, I believe this doctor’s statement as far as it goes.

    She probably has aspiration pneumonia, likely complicated by a chest infection due to the frequent coughing and inflamed airways, as a consequence of L-dopa induced dyskinesia affecting not just the seizure-like movements, but also her swallowing. This likely all results from Parkinson’s disease. All exacerbated by the concussions.

    That’s what I consider most likely, anyway.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  280. And yes, I don’t think forthcoming is likely from Hillary or her team. Not even if it would help. It goes against who they are.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  281. Mike Cernovich of the Alt-Right (which is to say the present and future of culture and politics) points out the obvious: Parkinson’s

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/11/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    I have Parkinson’s and have never out of the 5 neurologists who’ve examined me have they asked me to squeeze their fingers.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  282. LOL Haiku. So mad all the time.

    Most American voters will do the right thing, knowing full well how Team R feels about us. That middle finger is exactly what we’re seeing, year after year. We’ll see how many votes it brings your team.

    What I really hope to see is Hillary replaced and you yet again go Chicken Little, telling us that this time, the USA is doomed if we don’t vote for the horrible Team R ticket. Like you said in 2008 and 2012, the USA just can’t make it. That used Fiat only had one previous driver, an old lady who only drove it to church and kept it in a garage.

    Lose.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  283. I like Mr Trump he has the genuine leather interior whereas stinkypig has germs and sputum

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  284. I have Parkinson’s and have never out of the 5 neurologists who’ve examined me have they asked me to squeeze their fingers.

    Hmmmm.

    Another neurological disorder do you think?

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  285. I still think it’s likely to be Parkinson’s. While I respect Tanny’s individual experience with the disease, it can manifest in different ways.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  286. Denver Guy,

    The video you linked to bases its position on a Dr. Ted Noel who is an anesthesiologist, not a neurologist who specializes is movement disorders. Because Parkinson’s is idiopathic it takes a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders to diagnose Parkinson’s.

    The only way to tell for sure someone has Parkinson’s is to remove their brain from their head, slice it up, and count the dopamine cells. Everything else is guessing which is why you need a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders to diagnose Parkinson’s. If a patient has symptoms of Parkinson’s and responds to Sinimet, then most likely they have Parkinson’s. Even a DATScan is not 100% because it doesn’t count dopamine cells, but counts dopamine transmitters.

    I have yet to see proof that blue sunglasses reduce Parkinson’s symptoms. There are a few videos, but no clinical trial. These are some of the symptoms to look for in diagnosing Parkinson’s:

    The cardinal symptoms of Parkinson’s disease are resting tremor, slowness of movement (bradykinesia) and rigidity. Many people also experience balance problems (postural instability). These symptoms, which often appear gradually and with increasing severity over time, are usually what first bring patients to a neurologist for help. Typically, symptoms begin on one side of the body and migrate over time to the other side.
    There is no objective test (such as a blood test, brain scan or EEG) to make a definitive diagnosis of Parkinson’s disease. Instead, a doctor takes a careful medical history and performs a thorough neurological examination, looking in particular for two or more of the cardinal signs to be present. Frequently, the doctor will also look for responsiveness to Parkinson’s disease medications as further evidence that Parkinson’s is the correct diagnosis.

    You cannot trust a diagnosis of Parkinson’s from an anesthesiologist. You need confirmation by a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders. A person can have Parkinson’s symptoms from medications like antibiotics and not have Parkinson’s.

    Two neurologists misdiagnosed me as having an essential tremor. However an essential tremor is a moving tremor (hand shakes while moving) whereas I have a resting tremor. Early on one doctor told me my tremor was just nerves and not to worry about it. Another doctor said the tremor was psychological. Yet another said it was like Parkinson’s, but not Parkinson’s. There’s a reason they call it a practice, it’s because they are still practicing.

    Tanny O'Haley (c674c7)

  287. Thanks for the detailed and informed comment, Tanny. The doctor says he is not certain of the diagnosis, but it best fits the evidence in his opinion, pending review of the detailed medical records which are not forthcoming. I certainly think it’s a reasonable hypothesis. I agree with you that it’s not certain.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  288. Look at Hillary’s head. Look at the uncontrollable jerking motions she makes with it before her “stumble.”

    That’s not pneumonia, that’s neurological.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  289. I like Mr Trump he has the genuine leather interior whereas stinkypig has germs and sputum

    happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:08 am

    Great. Trump has the genuine leather interior.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsg97bxuJnc

    Ricardo Montalban – 1975 Chrysler Cordoba Commercial

    That will win over the youth vote, including the college educate white voters who are fleeing the GOP in droves. Do you Trumpkins ever think before you speak? Because from where I sit it’s all, “Ready, fire, aim.”

    And of course it’s always somebody else’s fault Trump is behind in the polls. Not your fault, or your perfect candidate who must suffer any criticism whatsoever.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  290. * … who must not suffer any criticism whatsoever.

    Damned gremlins.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  291. Looks like it’s time to go to the bench; we’re not dragging this bag lady much further.

    Joe, you’re in, get your helmet on!

    DNF (ffe548)

  292. 299. ‘Aspiration pneumonia’ is the leading cause of death in Parkinson’s patients, so maybe her doctor is half-truthing.

    Whatever, this patient is in decline. Finishing a term as POTUS looks out-of-reach.

    DNF (ffe548)

  293. That 3AM call is the warning buzzer of her 02 sats.

    Pinandpuller (b82342) — 9/11/2016 @ 9:37 pm

    The 3:00 am phone call is really the one Hillary!’s minders make when they need the EMTs.

    F*** the ambassadors and the troops.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  294. +1

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  295. @278 Azygos

    If one is holding a mass suicide why skimp with an off brand drink mix?

    Maybe because no Amazon Prime in 1978.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  296. Someone is missing a golden opportunity to say,”Dammit Jim! I’m a lawyer, not a doctor!”

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  297. She got bored and left theatrically.

    gbear (defc54)

  298. Denver Guy

    Aspirational pneumonia. Is that like the Four Yorkshiremen?

    We used to dream of getting pneumonia!

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  299. So nobody has guessed Lupus yet?

    Me, I’m pulling for hydrophobia.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  300. @300 Steve57

    I recently heard a story about Ricardo Montalban appearing on Johnny Carson.

    Johnny asked him what Corinthian Leather was.

    “It’s plastic, Johnny.”

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  301. Like a dog caught in the chicken coup, time to take a walk behind the barn.

    mg (31009b)

  302. Dustin

    From what I can gather the DNC reserves the right to replace their candidate if she drops out or drops dead. The actual process they would have to make up, which is par for the course.

    The big problem is the ballots, and I suppose early voting as well. It looks like Congress could step in to delay election day but that would be an extreme measure. She needs to drop out in the next four or five weeks.

    I’m sure you will feel better voting for Kaine or Biden anyway.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  303. piggy pig can’t drop out she has to be president to pay back her little dog James Comey

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  304. I hope all of those antibiotics in piggy pig don’t taint the meat and lead to resistant strains of bacteria.

    You know, I had completely forgot that Benghazi happened on 9/11. It’s not a good day for her.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  305. @308, that is so 1960s. Don’t you realize the 21at century battle cry is, “Dammit Jim, I was born a boy, but I identify as a girl.”

    Speaking of retro, I just enjoyed my first shave with my new Amazon.com safety razor. I was somewhat bragging about my adventures with my straight razor. As i said, your day can only get better if you start off with naked steel pressing against your neck. After that you’re ready to take on the entire Islamic State. But it proved something of a bust. It’s a beautiful artifact, what with the Damascus patterned blade and laminate wood handle. But it didn’t come from the factory with a sharp edge. And I either overestimated my ability to give it an edge or its ability to take an edge. To be fair, I haven’t ordered a strop. Shaving with a straight razor will take a lot of effort and involve a lot of kit. And it may take more than $100 to get a proper blade. Dunno. Figuring it out.

    So I moved up to a safety razor. Or down, depending on your POV. And I didn’t cut myself, because it ain’t rocket surgery. And I may just stick with a safety razor, because, cheap blades.

    https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gillette-Silver-Blue-Double-Edge-Razor-Blades-100-Blades/125059034

    $32 for 100 blades. Being overly cautious, assuming one blade last two weeks, that’s 24 blades a year. So 100 blades would be just over a four year supply. That’s a h3ll of a savings over what I have been spending on eight packs of Gillette Mach 3 replacement blades.

    And there could be better or just as good blades than Gillette, for better prices. Again, dunno, but I will find out.

    Also, above all I get to still reject the 21at century. With free tampons in the men’s room and child molesters in the ladies room. And in fact it’s hate speech to suggest there’s something as a men’s room or ladies room. Because, dammit Jim, boys will be girls, and girls will be boys, or any combination of about another three dozen possibilities according to the SJWs and the gender/ethnic/racial/weirdo grievance studies college and university departments which need to be destroyed.

    That’s the real recruiting tool. It’s not anything Trump says. It’s all the other idiocy that convinces the Islamic State and other Islamic terrorist groups that we’re done as a civilization, and they can just walk in and take over.

    I do my part in resisting terrorism, now, in part by rejecting any and all shaving equipment developed after the start of WWII. Because the Gillette Mach 3 has made us soft. We used to be a nation that, dammit Jim, could fight the Japanese Navy with one hand while standing in a canoe in a hurricane holding a cup of coffee in the other and not spill a drop, wipe out an endangered species before lunch and then clear cut an entire forest by dinner for the BBQ/campfire. And we must be again.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  306. Hoagie,
    I didn’t mean in the “end-end”, I just meant give things another few days or weeks to be clearer.

    As said above, many types of pneumonia are not particularly that easy to pass one person to another, but I don’t believe anything she says or what people close to her say, so I have no idea if she had a dx of pneumonia of any kind or not.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  307. Actually, wrong nomenclature. In the Atlantic and adjacent waters the storm is called a hurricane, in the Pacific it’s called a typhoon, and in the Indian Ocean it’s a cyclone. So we beat the porridge out of the Japanese with one hand, standing up in canoes, not spilling our coffee, riding out typhoons. Not hurricanes.

    The adrenaline/testosterone rush following my first encounter with my safety razor and emerging unscathed carried my away.

    http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/04/26/how-to-shave-like-your-grandpa-an-instructional-film-video/

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  308. Steve57

    Kind of related, I’ve been buying antique hand planes on ebay. Good for when the EMP goes off. Just have to figure out how to sharpen their profiles.

    Woodworkers also use various leather strops for honing steel. Apparently when you set the main bevel a quick honing will keep it tuned up fairly well.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  309. Steve57

    So during their Japanese tour the Scorpions had to Rock You Like a Typhoon?

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  310. That Flying Fickled Finger of Fate was sent with a smile, Dustin. Your dreams are being dashed. Here’s hoping that one day you (and others like you) will come to realize that you fight back against the Left’s war on America’s values with the candidate you have… no matter how imperfect that candidate may be.

    Colonel Haiku (6ddbda)

  311. I’m listening to Mike Gallagher’s show. He thinks Trump is now the favorite and the Democrats will dump Clinton and put Biden or Sanders in. I doubt the Dems now believe Hillary’s headed for defeat, but I think he’s right that they’d dump her if they did think that.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  312. nobody wants to listen to that dirty pig hacking up a lung for four years

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  313. Yes, Pinandpuller. And thank the good Lord.

    Me and my JMSDF counterparts were camping out at Tama Hills; sort of a “team building” exercise. Drinking awamori, which is Okinawan for rotgut or hooch. So I’m sitting there, rocking out to the music playing in my head. And my drinking buddy, Kuma-san (“Mr. Bear”) gets up and then promptly falls into the campfire. And I think, “There but for the grace of God go I.”

    You would have thought after that much awamori, him falling into the fire would have been like tossing in a gasoline soaked rag. But Kuma-san when we pulled him out he was none the worse for wear.

    But the Scorpions may just have saved my life.

    It might have been Hendrix and “All Along the Watchtower,” though. Things got kind of muddled as we all scrambled to pull Kuma-san out of the fire. But it could have been the Scorpions.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  314. http://www.yokotasupport.com/tama-hills/

    Hey, great news! Tama Hills now sports a Yurt.

    Stay in Our New Yurt

    Make your reservations now, people. It’s just amazing how things have modernized since my last visit twenty years ago. They have Yurts, now.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  315. 261. Dana (995455) — 9/11/2016 @ 7:53 pm

    According to the Hill, Clinton has cancelled her scheduled swing through California on Monday and Tuesday.

    That’s also in the New York Times. That was announced “late Sunday night.”

    It was after 5 pm – which was about 8 hours after she left the 9/11 Memorial reading of the names ceremony – when they announced the pneumonia. It was “Breaking News” at 6:30 pm on the NBC news program. She left Chelsea’s apartment about 12 noon, and arrived in Chappaqua (without press) sometime around 1 pm and was examined by her doctor, who made a house call.

    She left Ground Zero without the usual group of reporters that travels with her, and the only reason we ave any video is because there are a lot of camera phones around. At first, Nick Morrell, the campaign spokesman who said that she had returned to Chappaqau sometime after 1 p.m, said she had become “overheated.”

    I also read that they actually did leave the shoe behind. I am not sure if the shoe and “metallic object” they abandoned are the same thing.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295354-doctor-clinton-has-pneumonia-was-dehydrated-and

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  316. Only Kuma-san can prevent campfires.

    Maybe the Scorpions were crawling under your skin.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  317. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:32 am

    As said above, many types of pneumonia are not particularly that easy to pass one person to another, but I don’t believe anything she says or what people close to her say, so I have no idea if she had a dx of pneumonia of any kind or not.

    The New York Times writes:

    Dr. Bardack did not indicate what sort of pneumonia Mrs. Clinton had or elaborate on the nature of the examination last week, whether Mrs. Clinton had a fever today, or a host of other issues that could offer more precise insights about her condition.

    The statement by Dr. Lisa R. Bardack said she was “rehydrated and recovering nicely” and “Secretary Clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies,” and that that on Friday morning, after a prolonged cough, Mrs. Clinton was given a diagnosis of pneumonia.

    “She was put on antibiotics, and advised to rest and modify her schedule,” Dr. Bardack added. “At this morning’s event, she became overheated and dehydrated.”

    I don’t know if this makes sense to you.

    She has hypothyrodism. I think from the fact that they whisked away early before anything showed to the crowd means that this sort of thing has happened before, and someone knew to look out for it.

    Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/12/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-pneumonia.html

    There’s a different headline in the printed paper. It goes:

    CLINTON FALLS ILL
    AT A 9/11 TRIBUTE
    PNEUMONIA CITED
    —————
    LEAVES EVENT ABRUPTLY
    ——————-
    After Partisan Questions
    on Health, New Calls
    to Address Issue

    By JONATHAN MARTIN
    and AMY CHOZICK

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  318. Azygos (198248) — 9/11/2016 @ 7:57 pm

    Late to the party but I’ll posit a theory. It was an episode of low blood sugar.

    Why the low blood sugar, though? Some medication?

    Low blood sugar and low blood oxygen is probably about the same thing in terms of ability to stand.

    Whatever it is, it probably happened before, or they wouldn’t have been so ready to whisk her sway at the first sign of trouble, so it wouldn’t be seen in public.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  319. I don’t know about her doctor making a house call, Sammy. There’s a lady walking with her in several pictures up to the point they toss her in the van. I believe that’s Dr. Rayback. It looks like she’s examining Hillary in a few shots.

    “Her” reporters were told not to take any footage and SS tried to stand in the way just in case (from what I have read).

    Supposedly the piece of metal came off her glasses but she was wearing them later. It looks like she was wearing some Zeiss Z1 blue lenses which are supposed to be anti-seizure.

    To me it sounded like the pinging a clip for an M1 Garand makes.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  320. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/11/2016 @ 10:57 pm

    They learned nothing from the 1990’s.

    Yes they did. Never give up. Even when it looks hopeless, there’s still hope for the cover-up, at least if Bill Clinton is involved in plotting strategy.

    And they kept to their old lessons:

    Never, ever, admit wrongdoing. Never apologize. But get your opponent in an election to utter the word “apology” and then misrepresent that.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  321. It amuses me to see how rabidly the Trumpkins condemn Hillary for not releasing medical records or taking press questions about her health, when Trump won’t do that either.

    Americans can’t seem to agree widely on much these days, but everybody knows they’re both old and fat. Just actuarially, based on their ages, they’re both bad risks to serve four or eight years, as compared to anyone significantly younger, and certainly as compared to either of their running mates.

    The obvious and inescapable inference here, from both candidates’ refusals to release medical records or other detailed health information — as with Trump’s tax returns, as with Hillary’s speeches to Wall Street — is that Trump and Hillary both have tons of ugly secrets that they’re hiding from the American voting public.

    But neither’s supporters care about what their candidate is hiding. The hypocrisy when they attack each other is stark.

    I actually do care about what both are hiding, and that’s one reason I won’t vote for either.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  322. Pinandpuller (ec6879) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:30 am

    I don’t know about her doctor making a house call, Sammy.

    From the New York Times:

    But just after 5 p.m., a campaign official said Mrs. Clinton’s physician, Dr. Lisa R. Bardack, had examined the candidate at her home in Chappaqua, and Dr. Bardack said in a statement that Mrs. Clinton was “rehydrated and recovering nicely.”

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  323. There’s a relationship between myasthenia gravis and thyroid disease. Hmm.

    Maybe there should be a new show called House: Web MD.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  324. PInandPuller:

    There’s a lady walking with her in several pictures up to the point they toss her in the van. I believe that’s Dr. Rayback. It looks like she’s examining Hillary in a few shots.

    Who’s Doctor Rayback? You mean Doctor Bardock? Or has she got another doctor whose name is barely revealed? Or her doctor travelled with her, but they’re hiding it? More likely maybe aparamedic, or a Secet Service agent, or someone from her campaign, designated for that purpose.

    “Her” reporters were told not to take any footage and SS tried to stand in the way just in case (from what I have read).

    When? The reporters were kept out of sight, and they didn’t know where she was. The video we have comes from a passserby who just happened to be there.

    Supposedly the piece of metal came off her glasses but she was wearing them later. It looks like she was wearing some Zeiss Z1 blue lenses which are supposed to be anti-seizure.

    This looks like some kind of disinformation. It’s not even true that blue glasses are anti-seizure (except maybe in special cases)

    To me it sounded like the pinging a clip for an M1 Garand makes.

    One of the Secret Service agents disassembled and assembled an M-1, but left out a part and put it in his pocket, and it dropped out when he was helping Hillary into the car?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  325. Sammy

    Well my point is, if it’s the same woman, that “house call” is a bit disingenuous if that doctor is a roadie.

    Pinandpuller (ec6879)

  326. Trump needs to release his med records ASAP and ask Clinton to do same. And then shut up.

    Colonel Haiku (6ddbda)

  327. @ Col. H, who wrote (#338):

    Trump needs to release his med records ASAP and ask Clinton to do same. And then shut up.

    I agree! You said it well, but it’s in fact a spectacularly obvious move, one for which Clinton’s only counter would be to release hers.

    In fact, from a political standpoint, if one is indeed interested in winning, then that’s surely what any rational candidate would do, isn’t it, Col. H?

    So why isn’t Trump? The only two reasons I can think of are that there’s something in his own medical records that he’s hiding too, or he doesn’t want to win. Am I missing other reasons?

    If you or someone else can suggest to me another reason why Trump doesn’t capitalize on Hillary’s dishonesty by conspicuous acts of transparancy of his own, I’d really be happy to consider them.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  328. I guess implicit in my question (#339) is a third possibility. Maybe Trump’s not rational. That actually has Hanlon’s Razor going for it.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  329. Thank you for that link, hatefulfeet. And I’m more grateful than you could know that you didn’t include some inane urine-related chatter with it.

    Releasing medical information on the “Dr. Oz show,” whatever that is, certainly sounds like the way Trump would choose to go about this.

    To do it right, he’d need to release not just “the numbers” from his most recent physical exam, though, but also the full results (which includes lots of things that aren’t numbers). Moreover, while a snapshot of his current health is indeed very important, so too his his overall medical health and medical history. He doesn’t have to put them all on the internet in .pdf. But he should — as McCain did in 2008 — at least make them available for detailed and careful review by a media pool including physicians, so that they can comment on what the candidate’s own doctors have opined.

    He could and should do the same thing with his taxes.

    I hope he will surprise me by making good on these opportunities. I do not expect to be surprised, but disappointed.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  330. The most common reason for a person collapsing or fainting is low blood pressure, often caused by a combination of factors, such as illness and overheating and dehydration, and is transient,
    But as I said, I don’t believe anything a Clinton says.

    MD in Philly (7412ee)

  331. If he did both those things — released his taxes and his own medical records — surely that would give him a huge boost, quite probably a decisive one: It would make his attacks on Hillary far more credible, and it would reassure so many who want to vote against her but still doubt him.

    Early voting starts in some states in what, two weeks?

    Trump himself has boasted that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters wouldn’t care. If true, surely they would immediately forgive him and accept whatever excuse or explanation he offered for anything embarrassing or controversial in either his medical records or his tax returns, right? They shrug off a $1M fine related to his use of illegal aliens to build the Trump Tower, they aren’t going to base their continued support on whether he tried to dodge a few taxes.

    Mind you, I’m not saying this would convince me to vote for him. But it would certainly convince a lot of people, probably enough. So we shall see.

    If he doesn’t, though — if he gives us another BS feel-good media appearance on his health, like his last “doctor’s report,” with no substance, and if he continues to stonewall on the taxes — and he then loses this election, then remember this opportunity, Trumpkins. Remember it when you feel the impulse to blame Ted Cruz or Jonah Goldberg or Patterico or anyone else.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  332. MD in Philly, at high school band contest in the 7th grade, I watched an absolutely healthy young teen flute player in the rank in front of me faint and fall to the turf on the 50 yard line. She forgot what the band director had been constantly drilling us on since the beginning of the season: When you’re standing in place, don’t lock your knees.

    I don’t know whether Hillary Clinton is badly ill or not. As far as I’m concerned, this fainting proves nothing, but I know that the Clintons lie and spin reflexively, constantly, whether they need to or not, so I’m perfectly willing to speculate that she’s hiding something here.

    Regardless, this is a political opportunity for Trump, where by deeds instead of words he could actually change some minds. Will he?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  333. Yes, Beldar, any rational candidate should release them. I’d go a step further, it should be required that all nominees do this.

    Colonel Haiku (6ddbda)

  334. I wonder how many people, including children, Clinton came in close contact with after the alleged diagnosis of pneumonia? How many within communicable range?

    Colonel Haiku (6ddbda)

  335. If Trump comprehensively released his own medical records and tax returns now — this week! — the pressure on Clinton would become very, very intense.

    If she finds no effective way to defuse the pressure, which is to say, if she’s indeed hiding something and therefore must continue to stonewall, then in the first debate on Sep 26, even a tool like Lester Holt couldn’t ignore that — and even if he did, Trump could inject it (and would surely relish doing so).

    Suppose she’s not hiding anything. (Hard to imagine, but pretend with me.) Suppose she releases her medical records and they’re not too terribly bad, capable of being interpreted as “normal for a woman her age.” Suppose she releases her Goldman Sachs speech and they’re unremarkable political babble. Suppose she & Bill hand the reins to the Clinton Family over without condition or exception to Bill Gates or whomever, with a special request that they make amends for the Clintons’ sins against Haiti.

    It is, after all, very hard for either of these two candidates to actually drive up the other’s negatives. Each’s remaining supporters are basically impervious to all facts at this point.

    Trump would nevertheless firm up his own support simply by making the contrast, and he’d improve his political chances by putting her on the defensive through his actions in a way that no words, from him or anyone, ever can.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  336. Sorry, that ought have read “reins to the Clinton Foundation,” not “Clinton Family.” I don’t think the ownership shares of a criminal RICO conspiracy, technically speaking, are themselves legally transferrable.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  337. Beldar, it’s good that you’re warming to the guy, and I’mma let you finish, but I do recommend that you avoid coming off like a girlfriend just off the rebound who has a YUGE list of relationship demands that may never, ever, work out as perfectly as you hope.

    Lots of Trump’s hardcore loyal supporters are here from the seduction community, and you’re displaying the classic signs of neurotic list-making that insecure/beta types often lose their victories in.

    Step back, take a DEEP breath, and let it all work out. When you’ve been in long enough to see the patterns, you’ll be able to tell when to strike and when to back off.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  338. And @ Col. H (#346), who wrote (italics his):

    Yes, Beldar, any rational candidate should release them [i.e., the candidate’s medical records]. I’d go a step further, it should be required that all nominees do this.

    I agree.

    I would not make it requirement by law. It’d rather see the national parties enact rules requiring it of everyone who seeks that party’s nomination. “If you want to be our candidate, you first must go under the full microscope, no exceptions.” Full compliance would precede the first debates by at least 30 days.

    Hey, the RNC could announce this as a new rule at the same time that Trump releases his own records and challenges Hillary! Wouldn’t that be a great boost for the GOP up and down the ticket!

    Consider that in the ordinary civil lawsuit, the kind I’ve handled daily for 36 years, I routinely demand, and get under compulsion of subpoena and if necessary contempt-of-court powers, all kinds of documentary records that relate to a witness’ or litigant’s credibility and history. There are limits, but they are vague and usually require special showings before they kick in; there are sometimes protective orders to keep things genuinely private that need to be kept private. The test isn’t even whether the records themselves are relevant, but whether they might reasonably expected to lead to the discovery of something relevant. So yeah, I see people’s tax returns, academic transcripts, employment files, bank and credit card records; I often hire experts (doctors, CPAs, etc.) to help me understand and interpret them; and then I put that into evidence in public trials.

    That’s the default power of every civil litigant to seek out the truth. How is it that America’s voters, in deciding upon the next POTUS, can be denied the kind of information that the lawyers and sometimes the courts sort through in the average contested divorce case?

    I actually have an answer to that. Trumpkins won’t like it. The answer is that the established powers-that-be and that-have-been in both political parties want to continue what they’ve been doing, but this kind of transparency would end that. This is just more of the crony capitalism, special-influence politics, and corrupt government that both Trump and the Clintons know, love, and perpetuate. It’s best symbolized by that 2000 photo of Bill Clinton squeezing Ivana soon-to-be-Trump’s slender waist while Trump squeezed SI covergirl Kylie Bax’s slender waist. What do you want to bet that through the Clinton Foundation, the American taxpayer paid for that catering we see behind them, plus everyone’s travel, lodging, green fees, and champagne?

    Anyway, I don’t think Trump will release all his tax returns and medical records, not to a press pool or anyone, no more than I expect Hillary to release her speeches or medical records or anything else. I expect exactly the same from both of them, which is that they’ll both continue to stonewall while pointing the finger at the other over the top.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  339. The most common reason for a person collapsing or fainting is low blood pressure, often caused by a combination of factors, such as illness and overheating and dehydration, and is transient,
    But as I said, I don’t believe anything a Clinton says.

    MD in Philly (7412ee) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:35 am

    I don’t remember the circumstances or when I learned this, but one way to commit perjury would be to minimize something. For instance, “How many times did you go into that store that day?” “Five times.” It’s true the individual went into the store five times. But, in fact, the individual went into the store 5×5 times. Before robbing it.

    That is about where we stand on Hillary!’s health status. Pneumonia? Sure, I can believe that. Along with? Only the whole truth will do, Madame Secretary Secret Server.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  340. Contagiousness depends on the type of pneumonia and how long being treated.
    It usually is NOT an issue of getting exposed to the germ, but something in the host that allowed the infection to develop/ luck of the draw.

    Worrying about her being infectious not really a big deal unless TB, plague, anthrax, and various viral syndromes that cause rapid respiratory failure / hanta- virus like syndromes, and 1918 flu

    Don’t bother going there.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  341. Mr. Trump needs to release the secret to how he makes his taco bowls so tasty

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  342. 337.Sammy Pinandpuller (ec6879) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:45 am

    Well my point is, if it’s the same woman, that “house call” is a bit disingenuous if that doctor is a roadie. I
    was the one who called it a house call, a term the Clinton campaign did not use. (for obvious reasons – it shows the doctor doing something sopecial for a VIP patient.)

    The campaign said Dr. Lisa Bardack, “had examined the candidate at her home in Chappaqua.”

    If that’s not the only place she examined her that day, yes, it’s definitely misleading, but it is most likely they didn’t pay for her to be there with her in Manhattan. Somebody else maybe yes.

    Did Dr. Lisa Bardock abandon her medical practice, and travel with her all across the country? If no, then even though Ground Zero was relatively close, and she might not have had to cancel any appointments that day, she probably didn’t go there, or even to Chelsea’s apartment in or near Chelsea.

    (I suspect Chelsea was named after Chelsea, the neighborhood in New York, because the next neighborhood to the north, the former Hell’s Kitchen, the place where Owney Madden roamed in the 1920’s and early 1930s, had been informally re-named Clinton. Get it – Chelsea Clinton! But they never would say that, if true, because he wouldn’t want to own up to any connection or familiarity with New York at that time (1980) They denied also te neighborhood of Chelsea in London and atrributed her name to a 1972 song if I am right.)

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  343. I messed up the fromatting in that last one. #355

    The first senetnce is from Pinandpuller.

    I then said I was the one who actually used the term “house call” but what the Clinton camoaugn described was a house call.

    I agree that if Dr Lisa Bardock was with her earlier, that’s more than a bit disingenouos, but I think it’s not likely.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  344. Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:41 am

    They shrug off a $1M fine related to his use of illegal aliens to build the Trump Tower,

    Actually to demolish the previous building.

    There was no fine – there was a lawsuit settlement 18 or 19 years after the fact at the time Trump first seriously prepared to run for president. And he was sued for wages and overtime (some of the workers had been given vodka, and it was conceded that that counted as pay too!) and there was a separate lawsuit by the union I think for violating the union contract by not contributing to the pension and benefits fund.

    Trump’s defense was that a sub-contractor did all that. The counter to that was that someone working for Trump was on scene and his company knew all about that. The cases dragged on through the courts for a very long time.

    The fact that the workers in question were from Poland and not supposed to work, was only relevant in that it ensured that they were afraid to complain or even knew what New York State and federal labor law said.

    I don’t know what’s going on. Why are people oblivious to the fact that laws change? Nobody should say Trump was fined – all right it’s only “related” to hiring illegal aliens, but it was a lawsuit, not a governmentt proceeding.

    When someone who is sued pays the plaintiff, it’s not called a fine.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  345. “the RNC could announce this as a new rule at the same time that Trump releases his own records and challenges Hillary!”

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (6ddbda)

  346. @332– Yes they did. Never give up…

    You learn that in 4th grade gym class, Sammy.

    The American people have learned not to trust them anymore.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  347. Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, according to that link @341 will release some more records that they pick out.

    Clinton’s will probably be something that purports to explain what befell her on Sunday, and may not do so *, and Trump’s will probably be some more old records so that it it amounts to more than what Hillary did.

    * in which caae we may get a steady drip, drip of medical revelations.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  348. I read somewhere that R.R. had an easier time getting into his car after being shot.

    mg (31009b)

  349. I read somewhere that R.R. had an easier time getting into his car after being shot.

    You can watch it on video also. Part of this is because Reagan was male, worked out, had a lot of muscle, and could handle the immediate aftermath of being shot better than average.

    But it’s mostly not relevant. A gunshot wound (most pistol wounds are not fatal anyway, with timely medical care) isn’t the same as even losing consciousness due to fainting. Apples and oranges.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  350. Pinandpuller (ec6879) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:42 am

    There’s a relationship between myasthenia gravis and thyroid disease. Hmm.

    What did you see?

    What I’ve been able to find says they might have the same underlying cause:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasthenia_gravis

    Myasthenia gravis is an autoimmune synaptopathy. The disorder occurs when the immune system malfunctions and generates antibodies that attack the body’s tissues. The antibody in myasthenia gravis attacks a normal human protein, targeting a protein called the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor, or a related protein called a muscle-specific kinase.[17]

    Human leukocyte antigens have been associated with MG susceptibility.[clarification needed] Many of these genes are present among other autoimmune diseases. Relatives of MG patients have a higher percentage of other immune disorders.[18]

    So a person might have more than one auto-immune disease at the same time.

    Another thing: One thing I read to help explain the heat problem is that she may have been wearing a Kevlar vest.

    Locked knees? That’s supposed to cut off circulation to the legs, and result in blood not returning to the heart and upper body. A person will faint maybe only if they persist to the last moment.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  351. Mr. Finkelman: The law was broken. It generated civil liabilities to private parties as well. The payment was in the nature of partial restitution for illegal conduct. That may not technically qualify as a “fine,” but neither is it an ordinary settlement of a purely private dispute between private parties.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  352. And now I regret having bothered to quibble with you, Mr. Finkelman. Please ignore my #364 above.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  353. 160. Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/11/2016 @ 3:41 pm

    Note on page 3 of 47 of part 1 he [Justin Cooper] contacted and hired Brian Pagliano at Huma Abedin’s recommendation to help him build a new server to replace the Apple server.

    Reading between the lins, of course Huma Abedin wasn’t really the source, although was probably the intermediary. She, in turn, probably got the name Bryan Pagliano from Hillary, who maybe got it from Bill or someone else they trusted.

    The ultimate recommender would probably have been their lawyers at Williams & Connally (who would have experience and good reason to have e-mail security, or some associate of the Clinton family.

    But ol’ Huma told the FBI she wasn’t aware of the private server until it became public news. This is unpossible.

    Claiming she only knew it was private Internet domain.

    The FBI no doubt figured out some way to make the testimony consistent, and/or took the positon that nobody was lying, but they were only mistaken and they couldn’t say who was right.

    But it’s clear Comey was personally involved in this investigation for one reason and one reason only. To make sure his agents didn’t try to resolve those discrepancies.

    They probably had instructions to assume everybody was telling the truth, because if they weren’t, it would be a federal crime, but they shouldn’t say anything like that unless it was a prosecutable case.

    And if two people contradict each other, you can’t say which is lying and so you can’t prosecute. Also, it should be material to the investigation.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  354. Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:22 pm

    Mr. Finkelman: The law was broken. It generated civil liabilities to private parties as well. The payment was in the nature of partial restitution for illegal conduct. That may not technically qualify as a “fine,” but neither is it an ordinary settlement of a purely private dispute between private parties.

    With regard to minimum wages and overtime, the obligation was imposed not because of a private contract, but federal and state law, which writes parts of the contract for people. Paying damages, even punitive damages, (but this was a settlement) is still not a fine imposed by a judge.

    A fine goes to the government, but a settlement goes to the plaintiffs, or, in something that has recently become more popular , to politically connected non-profit corporations. (when someone is sued by the government or it is a class action lawsuit.)

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  355. And if two people contradict each other, you can’t say which is lying and so you can’t prosecute

    Scooter Libby will be delighted to learn this. Do you know where he can apply to get the last eight years of his life back?

    The significant fact is obviously the partisan affiliation. Huma has that covered.

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  356. Thing is, even if they went public with everything and told the truth now– who’d really believe them?

    Maudie’s team says they;re taking four days to prepare(or clean) her medical records for a supposed Thursday release. You believe they aren’t already to go now and been so for months?

    Why the wait?

    Well, you know why….

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  357. You can watch it on video also. Part of this is because Reagan was male, worked out, had a lot of muscle, and could handle the immediate aftermath of being shot better than average.

    But it’s mostly not relevant. A gunshot wound (most pistol wounds are not fatal anyway, with timely medical care) isn’t the same as even losing consciousness due to fainting. Apples and oranges.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:20 pm

    Hey, I have a great idea! Let’s send women into ground combat. Let’s have women SEALs.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  358. ‘Clinton’s reluctance to drink water causing tension with her staff: report’

    ” ‘She won’t drink water, and you try telling Hillary Clinton to drink water,’ a source said.”

    Parkinson’s disease: She has trouble swallowing it. She’s afraid to.

    Aspiration pneumonia.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  359. and poor little marco caught so much hell

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  360. Hillary Clinton does not have seizures. She has dyskinesia, which often looks like seizures, because of her Parkinson’s disease treated by Levodopa (L-dopa).

    She’s afraid to drink water more than she absolutely has to because her Parkinson’s disease treatment with L-dopa causes dyskinesia—which includes not just the episodes which look like seizures but, more gravely, difficulty swallowing.

    This causes *aspiration pneumonia*, the leading cause of death for Parkinson’s patients.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  361. She’ll lie about this Thursday as her team works to fraudulently clean up her medical records, but that’s what she’s got.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  362. Nancy Pelosi says we have to elect the sick nominee in order to find out what’s in her medical records.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  363. MD in Philly:

    The problem with not “bothering going there” re: the infectiousness of Hillary, is that the Democrats claim it’s super communicable.

    So you may be right, medically, but you have to go there if the Democrats go there and claim it’s spreading around, don’t you? And then that raises the question of why Hillary put the public and that little girl at risk—according to the Democrats on Hillary’s team.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  364. I’m old enough to remember a few years ago when Hillary had another bout of pneumonia, causing her to fall and bump her head.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  365. @374. Yep.

    But the frown on Andrea Michell’s face and the scowl on Chris Matthews’ gob being forced to report on this is priceless.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  366. Chris Matthews is probably thinking to himself, “Whenever I fall down drunk, maybe I should just tell people I have pneumonia!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  367. Hillary drinks water, of course. She drinks thickened water to reduce her asphyxia and chance for pneumonia. But she’s hiding it from her low and mid level staff, so they perceive it as her refusing water when it’s offered to her.

    She is refusing ordinary water.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  368. @379– Chrissy wins the Best Desperate Spin Award today.

    While airing the video on his show, he actually said Maudie “…appears to lose her footing….”

    A quick runner up is Charles Krauthammer, who twice in ten minutes babbled about her health issues with routine ‘blah, blah, blah’ then ended with…. “if that’s all there is.”

    It’s mainstream now.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  369. #380.She’s drinking heavy water now???

    My God!

    Maudie is radioactive???!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  370. Chris Matthews is right; Hillary had to cancel her trip to CA because she lost her footing! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  371. @383– …For want of a shoe…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  372. DCSCA, if there’s any Monday night on the calendar when Maude needs us to take out the garbage, it’s tonite!
    As it stands (rim shot), this woman can’t even step into a van, much less be expected to carry a couple of Hefty bags to the curb.
    Naturally, she’ll yell at us to take it out right when we’re enjoying seeing Kaeperpunk getting mauled by the Rams defense.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  373. Given his body’s tolerance for alcohol by now, teh only thing that would make Chrissie Matthews weak in the knees is a bursty tingle up his leg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  374. ‘Clinton’s reluctance to drink water causing tension with her staff: report’

    ” ‘She won’t drink water, and you try telling Hillary Clinton to drink water,’ a source said.”

    Parkinson’s disease: She has trouble swallowing it. She’s afraid to.

    Aspiration pneumonia.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:40 pm
    ============================================================

    You can lead a cow to water, but you can’t make her drink.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  375. Question for the MSM: Do Maude and Walter maintain a discrete, in-house clinic on or near the grounds of their home in NY?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  376. “She has trouble swallowing it. She’s afraid to.”

    That’s precisely how Bill got in trouble with Monica and the blue dress. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  377. Schlongaphobia

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  378. This just keeps getting better!!!!!

    CNN’s Cooper interviewing Maudie live- 8 PM EDT:

    AC- “How many times has this happen to you before?”

    Maude- “It has only happen twice.. as best as I can recall…”

    “….. it sure seems like an allergy to me…”

    Another pretzel performance.

    Maudie, you’re in a hole. I’d tell you to shut up and stop digging but you go deeper with every shovelful of ‘stuff’ you toss out to us. Its priceless!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  379. Here’s lookin’ at you, Bessie…

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/rubiohydration.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  380. I saw the video again on NBC on the evening news.

    It looks to me like Hillary Clinton was not using her leg muscles at all. She fell because they let her go, in order for her to get into the car, but she had no strength at all, which they didn’t realize. If she would have been alone she would not have fallen like that. She would not have falle onto the street. She was already being held up entirely by other people, and when they let go, she dropped.

    It’s looks like the ATP in a significant percentage of the muscles holding her up was depleted. Why that should have happened, I don’t know. But that’s what it looks like happened. Something that would prevent this kind of thing from happening in other people is not working, but it preobably doesn’t often cause practical problems.

    Former president Bill Clinton claimed in an interview with Charlie Rose that this sort of thing happened to her before – he seemed to imply over a period of years. Like it’s an old problem with her. That just happens with Hillary. When she gets overheated (?)

    I don’t know if that’s a bad explanation or a lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  381. Denver Guy,
    You are expecting the Dems to give out logically consistent information???

    I stopped that watching Al Gore lie while debating Bush 16 years ago.

    Their stories twist and change by the second depending on the deceit of the moment.

    I just state the general facts.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  382. Sammy, Sammy, Sammy,

    She may well have lost the muscle tone in her legs…
    but it was not because of the ATP disappearing.
    You get a good idea and then jump to a false conclusion like the cow 🐮 jumped over the moon 🌑.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  383. ‘Clinton’s reluctance to drink water causing tension with her staff: report’

    ” ‘She won’t drink water, and you try telling Hillary Clinton to drink water,’ a source said.”

    Umm, isn’t this a classic case of hydrophobia?

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/hydrophobia

    hydrophobia
    [hahy-druh-foh-bee-uh]

    noun
    1. rabies.
    2. an abnormal or unnatural dread of water.

    So, nothing to worry about here. Hillary! will simply be our historic first rabid Preezy!

    Great.

    “Watch out, Monsieur Hollande, she bites.”

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  384. …It looks to me like Hillary Clinton was not using her leg muscles at all. She fell because they let her go, in order for her to get into the car, but she had no strength at all, which they didn’t realize…

    Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:08 pm

    Well, to be fair, Sammuh, they probably didn’t realize it because anybody who would write 30,000 emails about Yoga should be expected to have strong legs.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  385. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:07 pm

    Maude- “It has only happen twice.. as best as I can recall…” </blockquote. from waht Bill Clinton told Charlie Rose, it ounded like more often than that.

    She's got some undiagnosed – or secretly diagnosed – disease – that has the effect of permitting the ATP in some muscles to become completely depleted much too easily.

    But she's actually got a whole assortment of other symptoms.

    I think her doctor(s) think she's got five or so different diseses, but she's probably not got five or so different things wrong with her. All, or most of them, are probably related.

    “….. it sure seems like an allergy to me…” Allergy of one of 4 possible explanations for persistent cough gievn by MD in Philly in another thread:

    1. postnasal drip from allergies (as claimed) or
    2. sinus infection,
    3. gastroesophageal reflux, and
    4. subclinical asthma.

    In an Op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal, Marc Siegel says that up to 90% of the cases pf chronic cough have 3 common causes:

    1. Postnasal drip (which thanks to MD in Philly I see is the same thing as allergy)
    2. asthma
    3. acid reflux.

    MD in Philly said subclinical asthma, which it certainly would be in her case, since shes not known to have asthma.

    I think the allergy explanation has been used too long. It sounds like something her doctor settled on, and not something actually diagnosed by itself.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  386. …It looks to me like Hillary Clinton was not using her leg muscles at all. She fell because they let her go, in order for her to get into the car, but she had no strength at all, which they didn’t realize…

    Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:08 pm

    Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:44 pm:

    Well, to be fair, Sammuh, they probably didn’t realize it because anybody who would write 30,000 emails about Yoga should be expected to have strong legs.

    Actually she never really said they were all about yoga. She gave that as an example, and a person who listened carefully could think, there might not be too much about that.

    She also claimed there was e-mail about her mother’s funeral and her daughter’s wedding – and maybe e-mail to Bill except his office had previously stated he doesn’t use e-mail. But if he had used e-mail, she might have used that private account to write to him, so I guess that’s all right.

    I think the people there moving her just didn’t understand what was going on, even though they must have been warned to be on the lookout for weakness. I don’t think her legs are in general that weak -she walks at other times – but something causes her muscles to be prone to become completely exhausted. I don’t think that could even be poor circulation. There’s some metabolic process that’s not quite working right. ATP resynthesis is not going on as it should.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  387. Sammy,
    Steve was making a funny about the yoga emails…
    No, it’s not ATP.

    For her leg muscles to work she needs to have an alert mind that sends nerve signals to tell them to work. Her mind momentarily lost full consciousness,
    whether from low blood sugar, low blood pressure for one or more of many possibilities, etc.
    Her ATP was fine,
    trust me on this.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  388. @399- Sammy, in the CNN call-in w/AC, she was actually trying to reaffirm her own self-diagnosis.

    Maudie just keeps generating more questions than answers and by doing so, legitimizes it as a campaign issue.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  389. Maybe Marco can be a special front row guest of DJT at the debates, with a 24 pack of Zephyrhills water.

    Is it too soon to play Dead Pool? My bet is the inauguration ball like the fictionalized disco granny in this snippet of the 1998 film “54”.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N0gaRYJH5GE

    Young Salma, though no Shakira, will get you through.

    urbanleftbehind (795078)

  390. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:42 pm

    @399- Sammy, in the CNN call-in w/AC, she was actually trying to reaffirm her own self-diagnosis.

    What diagnosis?

    What you quote in the other thread @99 at 5:08 pm is Hillary Clinton saying it only happened to her twice – i.e. only once before – “as best I can recall”

    While meanwhile Bill Clinton told Charlie Rose – it was on the CNS Evening News and the whole interview will be on PBS – saying something that implied it happened more often – you’d have to have it happen at least twice before, for a minimum of three times if this was something they knew about.

    Do you mean she was trying to say it was really an allergy, (and taht the p[neumonia was something else?)

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  391. *CBS Evening News of course.

    Hillary Clinton didn’t look to me like she totally lost consciousness – just had no control of her legs.

    If this was the only kind of lie she told, this wouldn’t be so serious. You can discount lying abut health.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  392. @242 Beldar

    If anything Trump should challenge Hillary to medical record Texas Hold ‘Em.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  393. *@342 Jeez

    We now return you to your urine tainted commentary already in session.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  394. Loss of consciousness, Sammy, can be like nodding off to sleep and dropping your cup of coffee when sleep deprived-
    my wife took it out of my hand before it went crashing to the ground.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  395. there isn’t any reason to doubt that trump is in good shape, there is plenty of reason to doubt,

    narciso (d1f714)

  396. Beldar

    Trump could always dust off the old.”What do we have here? A woman, a black, two Jews and a cripple-but I repeat myself.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  397. They could set up their medical records like the TPP documents, in a secure viewing room where no one can take notes or pictures.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  398. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:32 pm

    Sammy, Sammy, Sammy,

    She may well have lost the muscle tone in her legs…
    but it was not because of the ATP disappearing.
    You get a good idea and then jump to a false conclusion like the cow jumped over the moon .

    I didn’t say she lost it for long.

    But it was like someone who exercised to the point that there was nothing left. Which I think means the ATP has disappeared. But she hadn’t exercised that much, you would think. I mean all she was doing was just standing.

    Maybe if there was also too little blood circulation, too little oxygen or glucose by the legs?

    Moving to he car may have finally exhausted the muscles holding her up (walking requires more energy than standing) Her leg muscles were temporarily just gone, and when they let go, down she went.

    Possibly there’s a torn miniscus or something like that so that standing requires more energy than it would for most people at most times. Probably something less serious than a miniscus but enough so as to require some muscles to have to do too much work to keep her standing for long. But does that fit the facts?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  399. Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:29 pm

    They could set up their medical records like the TPP documents, in a secure viewing room where no one can take notes or pictures.

    That’s sort of what happened with McCain in 2008. Outsiders were most worried about melanoma, which was a thankful change for the McCain campaign from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

    McCain actually had a hard time pulling together his records, even though he’d been in a special medical study of Vietnam veterans or Vietnam prisoners of war or something, because some records were outside of that system, I think maybe at the Mayo clinic.

    They eventually collected about 1,100 pages and let more than 20 reporters look at them for 3 hours in a hotel in Phoenix.

    Here’s a report of what they did:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-look-at-mccains-medical-records

    During his first presidential run, eight years ago, McCain disclosed hundreds of pages of records to reporters as he sought then to counter what aides called a “whisper campaign” questioning his mental fitness. In those records, medical personnel concluded that his years in prison, including solitary confinement, left him with no psychological wounds. Aides said McCain has had no mental evaluations in the past eight years.

    This time, a small group of reporters reviewed 1,173 pages of medical documents that span 2000 to 2008 over several hours in a conference room at a resort just outside Phoenix and a few miles from the posh Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, where McCain receives most of his medical care under a pseudonym – which reporters were asked not to disclose. Coincidentally, the release came the same week that McCain’s close friend, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, revealed that he had a cancerous brain tumor.

    Also revealed: He has occasional momentary episodes of dizziness, when he gets up suddenly. McCain first told a doctor about them in 2000 – the visit that also uncovered the melanoma – and intense testing concluded they were harmless vertigo. He didn’t report any episodes at his most recent exam.

    Overall, CBS News medical correspondent Dr. Jon LaPook said, McCain “actually stacks up pretty well” compared to past presidents from a health perspective.

    I dodn’t even know about this vertigo.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  400. Candidate who famously lied or misled people about his health: Paul Tsongas.

    This is not a permanent link to the September 12 issue of Morning Jolt, but it’ll work till tomorrow morning:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/jolt

    You may recall that one of Bill Clinton’s rivals in the primary that year was Senator Paul Tsongas. God rest his soul, but Tsongas and his doctors lied through their teeth:

    [Morning Jolt here links to the Baltimore Sun of January 26, 1997, probably syndicated from the New York Times, since LAwrence K. Altman is the author]

    When Tsongas ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic nomination the 1992 presidential campaign, he made an issue of his survival from a form of cancer known as non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. But Tsongas and his doctors at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, Ronald W. Takvorian and George P. Canellos, repeatedly said he had been cancer-free when he had not. In so doing, they implied that the cancer was cured when indeed it was not curable.

    Tsongas died in 1997. If he had been nominated and elected, he would not have completed his term. After 1993, he fought lymphoma again, spent much of the next four years in hospitals, eventually had an operation to deal with liver and heart problems that were complications of his cancer therapy. The surgery worked, but he passed away in the hospital . . . from pneumonia.

    But it probably would have been better to elect him than Bill Clinton.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  401. Sammy

    Once Mike Cernovich ran with his story about the large man of color and the epi-pen injector that guy vanished from the front lines of the campaign. I don’t think the guy was ever fully doxxed but they did have a close up of a lapel pin that seemed to suggest that he was some kind of a paramedic.

    I don’t have any updated info on the gal traveling with Hillary in the pictures post-memorial but it makes sense to me that she’s a replacement for the original guy. She may be a nurse, PA, paramedic or doctor. I’m sure that Dr Lisa Bardock has a picture on file somewhere to make a comparison.

    I know that SS should remain private and all that but I’m surprised that more isn’t known about all the subordinates surrounding both candidates.

    As far as the Zeiss lenses go, they are used by some people to help prevent photosensitive epileptic seizures. I guess Hillary just wants to look like John Lennon.

    Just for Lone Gunman speculation purposes I’ve seen someone suggest that Hillary’s seizure was actually a defibrillator going off. AFIB with RVR.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  402. @362 Denver Guy

    My dad always says that a .22 will just barely kill you.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  403. @369 DCSCA

    Does BleachBits get out medical records?

    Out damn spot!

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  404. .22 in the head bounces back and forth in the skull. Heard that from a cop buddy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  405. Steve57

    I’m sure the Marines have a few ideas on making women watertight.

    Hey, do you know what a Marine smells like after sex?

    Pepper spray.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  406. Was it Catch 22 where a nurse would come in occasionally and switch the catheter bag with the IV bag?

    Maybe they can disguise IV bags as shoulder pads and bring 90’s Hillary back.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  407. DCSCA

    Chris Matthews is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  408. @391 DCACA

    Someone already called Hillary “shovel ready”.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  409. @393 Sammy

    Confirmation she’s a dead lay. Too apt to vapor lock.

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  410. Sammy

    I wonder if JM’s pseudonym was Carlos Danger?

    Pinandpuller (006ace)

  411. This Trumpkin infestation has been a case study in the death of discourse. Hopefully they will move on soon.

    Leviticus (65e6ec)

  412. @405– Watch the interview and listen to her closely, Sammy. She self-diagnoses herself about her coughing — then says she fainted twice ‘as best as I recall’– she’s all over the place– assumed her coughing was her spring/fall allergies and gives some vague excuse. She was throwing up everything on the wall to see what stuck. Wiggling like a mouse caught in a trap.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  413. “This Trumpkin infestation has been a case study in the death of discourse. Hopefully they will move on soon.”

    Moving on will be done at the time we decide it will be done—and it will be done by who we decide it will be done, as has been done many times historically.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  414. P&P @420, I haven’t heard of a Marine who wasn’t thinking about how to make a woman watertight since Guadalcanal. After they started getting enough food there wasn’t much else to think about.

    Respectfully, sir:

    https://www.pritzkermilitary.org/explore/museum/past-exhibits/shes-wow/marines/

    Familiarize yourself with the proper acronyms. BAMs.

    And what’s with the crack about pepper spray? Have you seen how much fish sauce I put on my Thai food. Pepper spray, it’s kind of a turn on. Although, admittedly, I actually preferred Air Force chicks. If I had to settle for a round eye.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  415. Wait a minute. That part of Lower Manhattan literally bristles with surveillance cameras.

    And we’ve only seen this one clip taken by a passer-by from behind has surfaced??

    WHERE IS ANY SECURITY CAMERA FOOTAGE FROM OTHER ANGLES OF MAUDIE’S COLLAPSE?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  416. DCSCA,

    Hillary didn’t collapse; she got dizzy from allergies due to the 116 degree heat on a day when it was 79.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)


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