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3/14/2016

Breitbart News Publishes, Deletes Post Mocking Ben Shapiro

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:53 am

I’ll save the most charming aspect of this until the end.

As I noted last night, Ben Shapiro and Michelle Fields have resigned from Breitbart.com in protest of the company’s unsupportive attitude after Fields was assaulted by Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. (New video, touted by Trumpeters as exonerating Lewandowski, actually makes it clearer than ever that Lewandowski is the one who grabbed Fields’s left arm.)

This morning, news emerges that Breitbart briefly published a piece mocking Shapiro. The piece has been disappeared from Breitbart, but the Web archive link is here, and I have saved a copy here in case the Web archive link goes bad. Samples:

Former Breitbart News editor-at-large Ben Shapiro announced Sunday evening via left-wing Buzzfeed that he is abandoning Andrew Breitbart’s lifelong best friend, widow, hand-picked management team and friends in pursuit of an elusive contributorship at the Fox News Channel.

Friends of Hamas could not be found for comment.

Shapiro, a Harvard lawyer and member of the State Bar of California, apparently violated virtually every clause in his employment contract during an appearance on The Kelly File last Thursday evening.

It was business as usual for the ambitious conservative gadfly, who is known to live on the edge, courting and then leaving a series of companies over the past several years.

. . . .

The story ran next to a photograph of a baby snake hatching from its shell, apparently for emphasis.

and:

Breitbart California editor Joel B. Pollak, Shapiro’s friend and fellow Orthodox Jew, expressed concern for his former colleague.

“I’m worried. I had enjoyed listening to Ben read Breitbart California stories, word for word, without attribution, on his morning radio show. Now what will he do for content?”

Breitbart News senior management issued a short statement: “Ben’s listicles will be missed.”

The mood was somber at Breitbart News’ Los Angeles office, where one staffer stared silently at promotional copies of Shapiro’s books, left behind on the shelves when the author stopped showing up for work, several years ago.

Alleged Fox News contributor Michelle Fields also resigned.

(Shapiro says he was not trying to get a job at Fox News and that he has “never received” a job from them.)

So, that’s charming. Oh, but it gets better. Here’s the kicker:

The unusual piece, which can be read in full here, was even more shocking for Shapiro because it was posted under the pseudonym his father used while writing for the site — William Bigelow.

Shapiro’s father, the writer David Shapiro, also resigned from Breitbart on Sunday evening.

According to the younger Shapiro, his father was hired under the pseudonym to protect his safety since the younger Shapiro said he received so many death threats for his writings.

“Breitbart put this under his byline because they knew I’d have to out him,” Shapiro said in an interview on Monday, adding that by linking to his profile with the California State Bar the site exposed personal information, though that information is outdated. “The fact they would use my father’s pseudonym in order to attack me just exposes how despicable they are.”

It’s . . . hard to disagree with that, isn’t it?

Joel Pollak has taken responsibility for writing the piece:

“The article was written by me as part of an effort to make light of a significant company event, and was published as a result of a misunderstanding without going through the normal editorial channels,” Pollak said. “I apologize to Michelle Fields, my friend Ben Shapiro, and to everyone concerned.”

Ben Shapiro replied:

So there you have it.

432 Responses to “Breitbart News Publishes, Deletes Post Mocking Ben Shapiro”

  1. I think that went well

    Patterico (59e140)

  2. How to ruin your business model in one week, courtesy of Breitbart.com.

    DRJ (15874d)

  3. Also, good post — among many good posts in the past weeks.

    DRJ (15874d)

  4. this is equal parts ghastly and churlish

    i feel queasy

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  5. Patterico sees Field being assaulted and dragged to the ground in that video.

    Jcurtis (5bde7f)

  6. No, he didn’t say that. Exaggeration isn’t going to convince people to see things your way.

    DRJ (15874d)

  7. Patterico – you will recall when I lost all respect for Breitbart. Things like this prove how prescient I was.

    JD (f1ca56)

  8. Who exaggerated? She either was assaulted and dragged to the ground or she wasn’t. If you have a new narrative then I think you have to present it and make it known before arguing on behalf of that unknown narrative.

    Jcurtis (5bde7f)

  9. She never said she was dragged to the ground.

    DRJ (15874d)

  10. DRJ – jcurtis is full-on conspiracy theory over this.

    JD (f1ca56)

  11. And friends? This is where all the snarky nasty comments invariably lead. Not very pretty, is it?

    Our culture is increasingly coarse. This is yet another symptom. And it won’t change until we all decide it should.

    Simon Jester (357f6d)

  12. Breitbart’s family should sue the company for sullying their family name.

    What a disgrace.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  13. jcurtis is just following Rules for Radicals by trying to create a false argument and attack attack attack.

    Framing the argument to dismiss something that was never claimed. Pathetic.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  14. Her posture and facial expression do not change at any time as the entourage passes her so I’ll challenge you to show me one camera shot or video still that shows a mean man assaulting her and trying to drag her to the ground. If there is a fraction of a second in that video where Fields’ isn’t shown and you want to argue that the violent attack happened during that split second, then how do you explain that her facial expression and posture haven’t changed at all when she comes back into view?

    She’ll be going to jail for filing a fake police report by the looks of it.

    Jcurtis (5bde7f)

  15. Donald Trump is the people’s choice, and all the King’s horses and all the King’s men can’t put Ted Cruz on the GOP throne again.

    ropelight (b3812c)

  16. lets put it this way, if the journolist wanted to tear the last samizdat media apart, would they do anything different, then we have seen in the last week,

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. JD, if there wasn’t an assault, then I’m sure you’d agree that there was a conspiracy between Fields and Wapo.

    Jcurtis (5bde7f)

  18. I don’t believe your premise for even one second, jcurtis.

    JD (34f761)

  19. Regardless of whether Michelle Field’s story is exaggerated, the pettiness and juvenile response from Breitbart says much about their character. I remember reading and watching Andrew Breitbart, and his description of what he was trying to do with affecting culture and politics, and I think he would find the website’s behavior in this case completely unacceptable.

    Wordygirl (85ceac)

  20. we’re in a war with those who want to burn our country down to the ground, they are weaponizing every institution against us, those are the stakes,

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. Jcurtis, you went full retard. Never go full retard.

    SPQR (04c505)

  22. ……they are weaponizing every institution against us, ……..

    They don’t have to we’re already weaponized against ourselves.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  23. I don’t agree, Hoagie. Challenging ourselves and our ideas is what makes us stronger. The alternative — the Democratic way — is to blindly accept the narrative our leaders tell us to follow. That is the path to weakness.

    DRJ (15874d)

  24. 15. Donald Trump is 35% of the people’s choice, and all the King’s horses and all the King’s men can’t put Ted Cruz on the GOP throne again.

    ropelight (b3812c) — 3/14/2016 @ 8:50 am

    Fixed that for you ropelight. Trump still hasn’t gotten over 50% in any state. Cruz at least got 66% in a state.

    I realize that certain things elude you trumpsters. Like facts, math, etc.

    Thought I’d help out.

    Steve57 (79ea4f)

  25. It isn’t a throne, ropelight. We just need Kasich and Rubio to get out of the way.

    BTW, even if Trump has more delegates going into the convention than Cruz, you do realize that unless he has 1237 delegates he hasn’t won.

    There’s that math thingy again.

    So if there’s a brokered convention and Cruz wins the convention he wins. Trump will say he stole it. But an honest man would know unless Trump has 1237 delegates before he has anything to steal. It’s impossible to steal something from someone who hasn’t won it yet.

    But I’m sure you’re going to whine about it, too.

    Steve57 (79ea4f)

  26. Andrew would be livid.

    Sad to see a good publication like that go into the toilet.

    However, it is right to point out that Breitbart’s issues predate Trump a few years.

    Patrick in Michigan (3a263e)

  27. 10. DRJ – jcurtis is full-on conspiracy theory over this.

    JD (f1ca56) — 3/14/2016 @ 8:29 am

    Of course. Look at who you’re talking to. One of neoneocon’s commenters sent her his observations of Trump voters when he was canvassing door-to-door for Cruz.

    http://neoneocon.com/2016/03/12/describing-the-trump-voter/

    I canvassed for Cruz, and found it quite illuminating speaking directly with voters one on one. Although it is only anecdotal, in speaking with Trump supporters I would rate the groups in this ascending order: I found very few that would be considered the base (all older, mostly elderly that have voted republican for many years) a slightly higher percentage that I suspected of racism, some leftists, quite a few disaffected democrats, and a plurality that have never voted before (mostly limited education). My impression was that the vast majority were just fed up with the entire situation as it is today, and were extremely tired of hearing how it was all their fault because they were racist white people. In short, Trump definitely tapped into years of built up frustration with the anti PC language, and as a consequence, hardened their attitudes and made them fervent believers in all things Donald. With the supporters of all the other candidates there was at least a cordial exchange of ideas, a willingness for give and take, not one of his could I persuade in any way to even listen to any other viewpoint; their minds were made up, almost like they were victims of Trauma. Those that would speak to me at length would only reiterate the false talking points of Trump in an uninterrupted diatribe, quite a few slammed doors in my face. It was like Breibart’s comments section in the real world. The experience demonstrated quite clearly how a populist demagogue, like Mussolini who Trump reminds me of, could secure a loyal and dedicated following.

    It really is a personality cult. It’s clear that Trump doesn’t care about anything but Trump. Jonah Goldberg noted that Hugh Hewitt asked Trump about the nuclear triad months ago on his radio show, and Trump didn’t know what it was. Four months later the question came up during the debate and if anything his answer was even stupider.

    It’s clear that Trump hasn’t read any of the plans he has on his website. The Sessions immigration plan? He hasn’t read it because he doesn’t care about doing any of it. It was the only reason to vote for him.

    But the Trumpsters don’t need reasons. The Mexicans aren’t going to pay for a wall, which is ok because Trump was never going to build one. It’s just an applause line.

    It really is a personality cult. The comparison to Mussolini is apt because Mussolini got voters to support him because he promised to bring back the glory that was Rome. I.E. make Italy great again. Putin’s popularity is sky high because Putin promised to make Russia a great power again, like it was in the heyday of the Soviet Union. Of course there are two kinds of politics in Russia today. TV politics and refrigerator politics. Putin’s fans believe what they see on TV. People who don’t like Putin believe what they see in their refrigerator. Or, rather, what isn’t there. Food. Because the Russian economy is in the toilet. The people who believe what they see on TV always outnumber the people who think.

    ropelight, I never said Trump couldn’t end up being the people’s choice. Mussolini and Putin did, so why not Trump.

    Steve57 (79ea4f)

  28. oh my goodness y’all are so blasphemous on Mr. Trump

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  29. Trump is not a God or a sacred person so he can’t be blasphemed, but suggesting Trump is sacred would be blasphemous.

    DRJ (15874d)

  30. Well, DRJ, I am pretty sure that Donald’s hair is an avatar of Vishnu.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  31. I was a big fan of Breitbart News. From the beginning, when it was just Big Hollywood at first. It was awesome to watch a counterculture news outlet take on the mainstream and grow and thrive. Thus, it was so sad to see what happened to them this primary season. Clearly there was a decision made to go all in for Trump. At first, I was cool with it, because Trump, imo, needed to be defended. Not so much now.

    I think I understand what’s behind this though. Andrew Breitbart championed using the left’s tactics against them. BNN excelled at this as well. The editors at BNN are simply doing the same for their favored candidate that the left media does for theirs. One thing I’m realizing is that the idea of getting down in the gutter with the left is a lot more appealing in theory than in practice.

    Matty (65c3f3)

  32. I always thought the shows Madame Secretary and Commander in Chief were shameless plugs for the wonders of a Hillary administration.
    I think that the recent show Lucifer may be the one plugging the Don. “he really wants to be good”

    spokanebob (e86321)

  33. This is going to sound weird but we actually talk about Donald’s hair at my house. It is strange.

    DRJ (15874d)

  34. Matty:

    I think I understand what’s behind this though. Andrew Breitbart championed using the left’s tactics against them. BNN excelled at this as well. The editors at BNN are simply doing the same for their favored candidate that the left media does for theirs. One thing I’m realizing is that the idea of getting down in the gutter with the left is a lot more appealing in theory than in practice

    Good point. Very good.

    DRJ (15874d)

  35. 19.Regardless of whether Michelle Field’s story is exaggerated, the pettiness and juvenile response from Breitbart says much about their character. I remember reading and watching Andrew Breitbart, and his description of what he was trying to do with affecting culture and politics, and I think he would find the website’s behavior in this case completely unacceptable.
    ………………………………………………………………………….

    Absolutely, and all this for the sake of hiding the truth about Trump

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  36. I only know them by their work, fields notably at the daily caller, pollak when he followed the trail from derrick bell, also the friends of hamas trail, which predicted how atrocious hagel would be, although carter turned out to be another horseman, altogether, in this administration, one can always go down,

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. DRJ, that’s the power of Vishnu, channeled through his avatar.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  38. We do too, DRJ. You know, if he gets tired of the combover, he could tie it up into a samurai topknot. Or just let it hang loose to his shoulders.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. it’s one of the less interesting things about him, now the pod dubbed him loki, which makes his followers the chtauri,

    now buzzfeed is dialing to eleven here, which is a tipoff,

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. I like The Donald as an entertainer, but all of the media drama around him will be BO 2.0

    This Breitbart drama would be parallel to the polarized presidency of Trump.

    Uncertainty would loom with Trump. This mans talk/salesmen quality has not been proven by one single action…. Sad that some can’t see this!

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  41. Maybe we need an exorcism, SPQR.

    He might look good in a topknot, nk, and I bet his supporters would like it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  42. question, why does #neverhillary not trend,

    http://www.dailypundit.com/?p=118388

    narciso (732bc0)

  43. why is doc brown, not mobbed by angry veterans, whose comrades were betrayed by the sandalista,

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. http://therightscoop.com/new-poll-has-ted-cruz-closing-in-on-trump-in-illinois/

    I never post here because I was blocked from posting for saying critical things about Palin last year when the world of conservatives destroyed posters that criticized Palin, but now miraculously they all hate Palin.

    But this story shows how Cruz with the kick in the butt of Rube and K-sick will easily defeat Trump and LOL defeat Hillary or Bernie

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  45. Awesome photoshop, Leviticus, plus you’ve given my household some new Donald hair ideas to talk about tonight. I think he would look better.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. In order for Cruz to gain Trump’s voter, Cruz should say how much he likes/enjoys Trump as an entertainer. How he agrees with his campaigned talk that opposes BO and Hillary and that as a spokesman/salesman he is charming. But where and when has his actions shown/demonstrated anything opposite of BO of Hillary. A vote for Trump is a vote for BO 2.0

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  47. I read the original BB article last night. I thought it was parody: like an April 1 thing or a way to just ease the situation. I guess not!

    jb (8a9f1d)

  48. Trumpy trolls are rewriting what Fields claimed and Terri saw. It’s too late to go with that, you already Iied and are retailing falsehoods as backspin.

    If it was A-ok and normal and just part of the biz to yank an assertive young Missy reporter off the Donald, that would have been the first defense, wouldn’t it?

    Way to squander a legacy. Badly done, Emmas, badly done.

    SarahW (67599f)

  49. Everyone looks bad in this mess: Breitbart.com should have at the very least said nothing about their former staffers, and Michelle Fields apparently has a history of accusing people, including NYPD cops, of harming her, either physically or in other ways (accusing a fellow journalist of breaking into her computer).

    America in 2016: Its chickens do seem to be coming home to roost.

    Mark (6c93d5)

  50. the police report, points out very specific details, that are either true or not, agreed it’s been handled poorly all around, high five with the regime and the journolist,

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. We finally have candidates who aren’t afraid to take hard questions, and in Cruz we have someone who can actually answer hard questions and use them to educate voters snd point out hypocrisy in our opponents. Let’s enjoy that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  52. Sorry, wrong thread.

    DRJ (15874d)

  53. 53.Sorry, wrong thread.
    …………………………….

    works for me either way….

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  54. tomorrow’s another day and it is then that the breitbarts can begin the long march to redemption

    yes yes they may stumble along the way, as we all do

    but these breitbarts, they’re not the enemy, and along the journey many of us here, we may find ourselves trudging along beside them

    as brothers

    as conservatives

    as Americans

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  55. 22.I don’t agree, Hoagie. Challenging ourselves and our ideas is what makes us stronger. The alternative — the Democratic way — is to blindly accept the narrative our leaders tell us to follow. That is the path to weakness.

    You really do have a way of taking everything I post and turning it into an Aesop fable, DRJ. I didn’t say nor did I allude to never challenging each other nor blindly accepting crap like democrats do. I was suggesting that many of us have gone way past an intellectual challenge and rather have begun eating our own and calling fellow Republicans the same names the leftists call us. That’s what I meant. When we started calling each other racists, xenophobic and bigots we began sounding like the enemy.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  56. Those goofuses are totally the enemy. Shortsighted, unethical, unprofessional, dishonorable and grasping just about sums it up.

    SarahW (67599f)

  57. they better pack a lunch for that march i guess

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  58. So when did Heide Cruz quit her job at Goldman-Sachs?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  59. Happyfeet!
    Hope this comment doesn’t wind up in a wormhole. Can’t tell you how many sites have banned me for such a simple question.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  60. Does it matter?

    JD (f1ca56)

  61. hi happy st. patrick’s day!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  62. The folks at Popehat have it covered.

    DPRK News Service
    ‏@DPRK_News
    Mass resignation of workers at US newspaper Breitbart News, in protest of hostile and slanderous bias against Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un.

    Bradley J. Fikes (2c3aa5)

  63. Her posture and facial expression do not change at any time as the entourage passes her so I’ll challenge you to show me one camera shot or video still that shows a mean man assaulting her and trying to drag her to the ground. If there is a fraction of a second in that video where Fields’ isn’t shown and you want to argue that the violent attack happened during that split second, then how do you explain that her facial expression and posture haven’t changed at all when she comes back into view?

    She’ll be going to jail for filing a fake police report by the looks of it.

    Jcurtis (5bde7f) — 3/14/2016 @ 8:48 am

    Except, her posture and facial expression DO change when he walks by! How can you not see that? Nobody said she was being dragged to the ground. She said she was yanked down and almost lost her balance, which is plausible based on the video evidence.

    She walked up to Trump to ask him a question, and was violently pulled back, leaving bruises.

    A) Even if she was wrong about who grabbed her, she won’t be going to jail for filing a fake police report. They would have to prove she knowingly lied about what happened, and there is no evidence of that. An attack DID happen, so even if she was wrong about who, there still is an attack.

    B) Actually from the looks of it Lewandowski is in trouble.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  64. i think Heidi’s just on leave Mr. K

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  65. So when did Heide Cruz quit her job at Goldman-Sachs?

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 12:03 pm

    Who cares?? Trump will be getting plenty of money from them, so does that matter too?

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  66. Trumps campaign makes statement that Sarah Palin’s husband was in an accident….. No matter the story Trump tries to capitalize on it!

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  67. simple question. When did Heide quit her job?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  68. So why didn’t she quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  69. The answer is simple. Just need the courage to admit it.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  70. She is on an unpaid leave of absence. Why would she quit? She is not running for office. I find it shocking that in trolling other sites, you got banned.

    JD (f1ca56)

  71. Simple question. Why didn’t she quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  72. And unpaid is not correct. Trolls tell lies.
    Am just asking a simple question.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  73. Happyfeet.
    Political knowledge is like a swimming pool. And most of us have a thimble of water.
    Hang in there.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  74. Leviticus, that photoshop job which you linked (#42) gives Trump waaaay too much of his own hair beneath the top of his head where his orange fiberglass helmet is normally attached. He only does the comb-over, like all men, out of a vain desire to hide his baldness.

    To me, actually, the comb-over is symbolic of Trump’s entire phony persona. He’s exactly as good a businessman, exactly as good a man, as that comb-over is a good hairstyle. Which is to say: Everything about him, and it, is wildly dishonest.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  75. 69.So why didn’t she quit?

    Two babies….. The reason most good mothers quit. Ted writes about her quitting at the birth if their two daughters.

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  76. Simple question. Why didn’t she quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 12:32 pm

    Again who cares? Unless you are going all conspiracy theory on us. Which still leads me to Who Cares?

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  77. Shocking that an admitted troll gets banned for being a twatwaffle.

    JD (f1ca56)

  78. Kobeclan, I assume — but I’m just guessing — that the reason Heidi Cruz hasn’t quit her job is because she enjoys it and needs the income it provides. She obviously had to work very hard to prepare for that job and to gain the position within the company that she’s earned. And she has clients — individuals trying to invest their wealth for its preservation and growth, which has the fortunate side effect of raising capital that in turn provides other jobs and creates economic wealth — who don’t want to lose her.

    The Cruz family is not wealthy. He made a nice income during his brief return to private practice before running for Senate, but otherwise he and Bernie Sanders have the same income, and it’s not in the top 1%.

    By every report, Heidi Cruz is a brilliant and talented investment advisor. The company for which she works, while controversial and a source of derision for extremists on both the far right and the far left, is objectively one of the most successful and well-managed businesses of its sort in the world. She doesn’t have more than a tiny, tiny vote within its vast and vastly richer owner-managers.

    Why haven’t you quit your job, whatever it may be? I suspect it’s the same answer that Heidi would give.

    This is trolling, actually, because I’m quite sure you know all this, and you’re just waiting for someone like me to respond to it so you can cut-and-paste some diatribe. Well, have at it, but don’t expect to persuade anyone.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  79. Why don’t you care?
    and why didn’t Sen. Cruz resign from the Senate to run for president?
    Just asking.
    And labeling someone who disagrees with U a troll is ?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  80. DNF, I would read that, but breitbart’s website pops up an ad demanding that I join them at a meetup, and there’s no way for me to get rid of the ad.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  81. Wow, Donald Trump actually contributed to the campaigns of Rahm Emanuel and Rod “I’m In Jail!” Blagojevich
    Wut????

    This must all be due to fidelity to conservatism. (LOL)
    Donald Trump is a conservative. When will you conservatives finally realize it?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  82. Why should Heidi Cruz quit her job?

    I mean, I can see an argument that *if Sen. Cruz is elected*, there’s a risk of real problems with the wife of the President working in the private sector. But while he’s a Senator? Or even while he’s a presidential candidate? I don’t see it.

    Her life is *her life*.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  83. 82. Yeah, I’m using Google Chrome.

    DNF (755a85)

  84. The Cruz family is doing what Democrats always did.
    Always hedge ur bets.
    I’m a Chicago boy.
    Been there, done that.
    Ask Sen Leiberman

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  85. Trolls are out this afternoon

    JD (f1ca56)

  86. Let me add one more thing, Kobeclan, regarding Heidi Cruz and her job:

    Only the very dim and naive think that a company like Goldman Sachs could control someone like Heidi Cruz through her job. She could walk out and take her clients with her to any of a half-dozen other companies who wouldn’t try to pull any strings, and not lose a dime of compensation.

    I suspect that the answer to your question — which you think is “obvious” if someone has the “courage” to recognize it — will be something like, “It’s so Goldman Sachs can control the Presidency of the United States through the President’s spouse.” That’s a kindergartener’s view — and a pretty stupid kindergartener, at that — about how the world works.

    However, lemme ask you this: Are you stupid enough to believe that President Trump would be truly “blind” to the properties and assets that he promises he’ll put into a “blind trust” to be run by his kids?!? If so, you’re a perfect example of a Trump sucker.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  87. And how many times did Ted recluse himself from voting on bills that affected G-S?
    Correct answer is “0”.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  88. Since you seem to be so concerned with why Mrs Cruz did not quit her job, explain to us the importance of her doing so. This is a simple request, just asking for clarification. Please make us understand why this gets you so riled up that you spam it across many sites.

    JD (f1ca56)

  89. So why didn’t she quit her job?
    Use UR brain, please.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  90. Think “cattle futures”.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  91. A.R.: That’s incredibly vague and naive (#90). Trump is a creature of the left. He’s only pretending to be a Republican, and if you look at his life-long positions and views, and the politicians to whom he’s mostly contributed, it’s absolutely clear that he’s a typical New York limousine liberal. You’re being suckered. The only good thing I can say for you, as compared to many other pro-Trump commenters here, is that you seem to be fairly simple-natured about it, and there’s not much risk that you’ll be able to help Trump con anyone else among the simple-minded, angry, and naive.

    I’m sure there are websites where you’ll find much affirmation and approval. Go leave your comments there, I’d suggest.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  92. #56, Hoagie, they don’t see it, and they won’t look. They’re convinced thier cause is right, even if they have to resort to misrepresentation, petty invective, name calling and all the other staples of blind political partisanship. The ends justify their excessive means.

    It’s their way, all day and all night. And, how dare former friends insist on deviating from the accepted dogma. Turncoats must be fixed, attacked, ganged up on, and dismissed as insane, stupid, or evil, which ever seem appropriate at the moment.

    And, don’t forget, Hoagie, they think they’re being objective. Doing the Lord’s work.

    ropelight (b3812c)

  93. Answer my question, Kobeclan, about Trump’s blind trust (#91). I encourage everyone else here to ignore Kobeclan absolutely until he does.

    This is exceedingly rich — another Trumpbot arrives to preach to us about Saint Donald the Corruptor, self-proclaimed briber of politicians, for whom Kobeclan thinks we ought to vote in order to stop public corruption.

    I can’t imagine any more vivid or powerful way to self-identify as a sucker.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  94. A new video has surfaced, purportedly showing that the campaign manager didn’t do what he’s accused of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NoMPxomjiw

    I can’t tell for sure if that’s the campaign manager or not, and I’d love to hear some opinions.

    HOWEVER, even if this video exonerates the campaign manager, it does not indicate that the reporter lied. As I understand it, she’s said all along that she didn’t see who grabbed her.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  95. Long time ago in Chicago I was “somebody’s somebody.
    Not only own a copy of the Democrat playbook but helped write it.
    If anybody is interested, we told you what’s gonna happen to Cruz.
    Might want to check out what happened to Barack Hussein the 1st’s
    first two opponents.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  96. as a party, for to save america, we’re gonna need to unite behind the nominee

    i’m looking forward to this cause of it will be how we replace food stamp with someone way more better whether it’s ted or donald

    and then on inaugurational day we can drink a fine american whisky and say a prayer of thanks, for thankful we will be

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  97. So ur criticizing Trump for playing by the rules the ruling class set up?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  98. It cracks me up that AR thinks Trump will slow the match to the Left.

    JD (f1ca56)

  99. I will donate $100 to anybody’s favorite charity if they bother to look up the details of BH 1’s first 2 elections.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  100. And to my everlasting shame I helped with the first one.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  101. Kobe – your concern trolling is special. Thanks. Your grandiosity and inability to respond to simple questions is exactly what we have grown to expect from your type.

    JD (f1ca56)

  102. So why didn’t she quit her job?
    Because she is not First Lady yet?

    Amazed_476 (5b5799)

  103. Best way I know to guarantee Hillary’s victory is for the GOP to nominate an ineligible Cuban/Canadian candidate, get ready for the November election and run headlong into the inevitable challenge based on the Constitution’s native born requirement.

    The challenge may not be enough to sway all the GOP voters, but enough of them will read the Constitutional restrictions and conclude that Cruz in ineligible. Then where will you be?

    ropelight (b3812c)

  104. We are witnessing a convergence.

    JD (f1ca56)

  105. Ropelight – best way to guarantee a Billary win is to continue to remain a conspiracy mongering sycophant for the one remaining Team R candidate that loses to Hillary in virtually all polling.

    JD (34f761)

  106. So what was ur question?
    That if I disagree with you, I am a concern troll?

    Any lawyers out there wanna know what’s gonna happen to Cruz if he gets the nomination?
    Democrat playbook, Chapter 5. Wait til the nomination process is closed.
    PLEASE research what happened to BH1’s first to elective opponents!!
    Think hot Borg chicks!!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  107. AR – had he not been a vocal supporter of single payer, heaped praise on ObamaCare, has a fundamental disdain for the 1st Amendment, and actively supported a who’s who of leftist politicos by word and checkbook, maybe we could take your theory will a couple pounds less of grains of salt.

    JD (34f761)

  108. No, Kobe, you are a troll because you admitted your concern trolling at multiple sites, getting you banned there. Cattle futures!

    Simple question – why should she quit? No obtuse allusions. No vague insinuations. Make your case.

    JD (34f761)

  109. A.R., I don’t generally bother to click links to youtube videos unless I’m referred to them by someone whose judgment I trust, which trust you’ve yet to earn. You might want to provide some summary here if you want anyone to follow your links.

    But there is no “paradigm” in which I change any of my views about Donald Trump. I’ve known everything I need to know about him, and more, going back to the 1980s and early 1990s, when I became acquainted with Trump’s sorry, squalid reputation in the business world.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  110. Then make your case for that person moving things to the right. Because simply opposing illegal immigration alone doesn’t do it.

    JD (34f761)

  111. We know Obama first back-stabbed the person who let him have a run at her elected position, having her thrown out of the race by contesting signatures at the last moment with no time for recourse.
    We also know Obama won his senate seat by having confidential divorce documents unsealed, causing a scandal for the R that was going to beat him.

    What does that have to do with anything?

    We know the Dems will do dirty tricks no matter who the R is , so we’re not worrying about it.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  112. Borg 7 of 9!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  113. I also categorically refuse to engage in any discussion with anyone who uses “ur” to mean “your” in blog comments.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  114. yes, we know, as I said before your post.

    What of it??

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  115. As I expected.

    JD (34f761)

  116. This is real simple,
    people who are mad at the system are for Trump.
    Why are people mad at the system?
    Because they say one thing to get elected than do another thing after elected,
    such as Rubio who can’t even win his home state, it seems.

    So, the answer is to:
    ignore what someone has said and done their entire life, and believe what they have said the last 6 months…

    really??? What sense does that make???
    None, whatsoever

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  117. We told U what we are gonna do. Scalia’s death sealed the deal. The local lawsuits against Cruz is the setup. You think the Supreme Court is gonna screw up and do the right thing again? With Scalia we had a chance. Some federal judge is gonna declare Cruz ineligible. 4 prog judges are gonna agree and Scalia is gone so 4-4. Lower court decision to make Cruz ineligible stands. Where am I wrong, all U lawyers out there??

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  118. Trump recognizes this because, unlike most people, he’s quite well versed in classic history and not indoctrinated into the flat-out impossibility of egalitarianism.

    Perhaps, because Trump recognizes this, he sees it as a prime opportunity to talk a bunch of people into supporting him on the basis of no evidence, (in fact, in spite of much available evidence) only words.

    later.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  119. Beldar. Than you are screwed.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  120. I hate it when what should be honest discussion on a blog becomes a forum for disinformation campaigns worthy of a spy novel.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  121. Unhinged trolling alert!

    Colonel Haiku (eff58e)

  122. If Trump is the answer…
    the question is wrong.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  123. Maybe Cruz isn’t “dominating” the evengelicals because his wife makes five times more than him and has a nanny. Not sure if she uses the same staffing firm as Kimba Wood and Zoe Baird.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  124. Kobeclan

    If you are Jeri Ryan please post some selfies.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  125. A.R.
    I have never been an apologist the the GOP establishment

    I am just saying there is a lot more to being a good candidate than a salesman bloviating what some people want to hear.
    I have no problem with people liking some of what Trump has said,
    but it makes no sense to be mad about people saying one thing and doing another
    and then expecting trump’s past behavior to be ignored because of him saying something else for the last 6 months.

    Trump does not look like he can beat Clinton,
    and even if he does, he will be a lousy president, a megalomaniac like Obama, just not a leftist one, but an “all-over-the-map” one.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  126. Hoagie:

    You really do have a way of taking everything I post and turning it into an Aesop fable, DRJ. I didn’t say nor did I allude to never challenging each other nor blindly accepting crap like democrats do. I was suggesting that many of us have gone way past an intellectual challenge and rather have begun eating our own and calling fellow Republicans the same names the leftists call us. That’s what I meant. When we started calling each other racists, xenophobic and bigots we began sounding like the enemy.

    I’m not trying to misconstrue or mischaracterize your comments. I thought I was responding in good faith to your point so we could discuss it. I consider that a sign of respect. Now that I know you don’t take it that way, I will stop responding.

    DRJ (15874d)

  127. Mr. Trump matches this moment what America finds itself in

    this is why he’s embraced by the people

    he will have to work very hard to live up to his promises and this will be a welcome change i think

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  128. Hoagie – one of the things that I see happening on the left, in response to Mr. Trump, is that many people are reacting with “see! the left’s criticisms of the right were correct all along!”

    It’s hard *not* to look at the movement supporting Mr. Trump and see really terrible things.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  129. I tried. Spent 12 years living a block from the UIC Pavilion.
    No man is as blind as that man who refuses to see.
    Just wanna know what all U lawyers gonna say ’bout why I am wrong.
    I was born a democrat, was raised a democrat, and I will die a democrat.
    Can never be a member of the stupid party. That being said, last democrat I voted for was Zell Miller for governor when I was living in Georgia.
    Make sure U get back to me when Billary is sworn in.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  130. i see supporters of Mr. Trump and i see the glowing embers of a banked fire, eager to rekindle the flames of liberty, the invigorating heat of prosperity

    they’re our neighbors, our friends, our countrymen

    they have the audacity to look into the future and envision an America that is once again a great nation

    it’s very hard not to be moved by this

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  131. Cruz needs to take a pilgrim to Tennessee to work on his “aww shucks”. Start at Graceland for some flash. Head on to Lewisburg to grab Fred Thomson’s old pickup truck and end up in Maryville to borrow Lamar’s red plaid shirt.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  132. 135. Call me 235 of 61! Made my day.
    Chapter 12 of the Democrat playbook; Republicans are stupid.
    Nothing on this thread has disproved that.
    Actually put my life in jeopardy. Hopefully anyone I’m worried about is dead or in jail!
    Going swimming.
    Maybe the stupid party can run Mitch or McCain or Dole again.
    Or Bush the 1st!! Still can serve one more term!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  133. Beldar,

    A.R. 107 links to a Richard Spencer video regarding the ALT RIGHT movement. My link is to Wikipedia’s discussion of the ALT RIGHT movement.

    DRJ (15874d)

  134. I don’t think linking Richard Spencer videos will help with the minority vote, A.R.

    DRJ (15874d)

  135. Happyfeet.
    Keep trying. Hercules and Sisyphus would be proud of U. Although one of them is still pushing that rock!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  136. Thanks, DRJ … the Wikipedia discussion is enough for me.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  137. Shorter AR: America’s problems are because there are too many non-white people immigrating legally, and because women have the vote. To solve America’s problems, restrict the vote to white men.

    Shorter kobewhatsit: Goldman Sachs is evil, and anyone touched by it is evil. (And it’s a complete coincidence that this evil force for evil happens to carry the names of two Jooos.)

    Milhouse (87c499)

  138. Why would an evangelical give a crap what Cruz’s wife earned? But not be concerned with Trump’s wrath, multiple marriages, and business bankruptcies?

    JD (34f761)

  139. JD, it’s not that she has a job, it’s that she works for those international bankers rootless cosmopolitans globalists at Goldman Sachs. AR is probably also concerned about the Council for Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and the New World Order and all those other shibboleths of the loony so-called “right”.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  140. Kobetroll was obvious from its first comment.

    JD (34f761)

  141. If you want people to vote for you, campaign for their votes. Saying that their votes are determined by their melanin count, and that they should have been kept out because of their melanin count, is by definition racist.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  142. So our Doyen was not made to hit the floor and mangled under the weight of a Misogynist?

    LOL, so some dude pushed her out of the way and did so by grabbing her arm firmly. Usually an apology suffices but most reporters a few years back would have used this as bona fides to how good they are.

    Now they play snowflakes.

    … can’t wait for this to be Cruz v Trump so the idiotic Cruz and idiotic Trump fan bois can have their say based on results. Cuz all this baiting and victim hustling makes me sick.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  143. Why am I arguing with an admitted racist? I’m stopping now. I’m just going to keep reminding people that AR is an actual genuine 24-karat racist, a reminder that however much the left sling that word around it hasn’t lost all meaning, that however many people are falsely accused of racism the genuine article still exists.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  144. #156 Mexicans have La Raza. They don’t represent anybody but.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  145. RKS – nobody claimed that.

    JD (34f761)

  146. #127 That is correct MD. And the best argument against Trump.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  147. #168 JD, please, the narrative was she was assaulted violently and almost thrown to the floor and if not for her superb athletic prowess she would have likely hit the floor and broken her hip. I know BULL SHIT when I hear it / read it — and the this story spun out of control based on FAN BOIs of each side. The same BS I loathe of the Left on full display on the right. So “nobody claimed” it is at best a defense for an individual but not for the narrative fabricated by the enemies of Trump. So you want to go ahead and say you personally did not say it, ok, but the Anti Trump FAN BOIs with pom-poms and “I hate Trump” signs clearly turned this into something it was not.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  148. This story reminds me of the manufactured hysteria over Watergate or Obama’s US Citizenship.

    Lots of noise, not really important but the behavior after-the-fact by the guilty party only energizes the pom-pom fan bois to press for repercussions against them.

    Solution, “sorry if I was rough on you, just wanted to do my job, and that situation was a bit chaotic. My fault. I should have kept my wits about me. u ok? Done.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  149. A.R.,

    I’m fortunate I live in an area where it’s easy to tell who is hard-working and who isn’t, who has good judgment and who doesn’t, and who has character and who doesn’t. It isn’t the color of their skin that tells us that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  150. Heh. Good for him. When Willie Nelson endorses a Democrat, will that be Game Over, too?

    DRJ (15874d)

  151. The lovely people at Brietbart News banned me for failure to support their favorite fascist, The Donald.

    Andrew would be outraged at how Pollak and Bannon have turned his legacy into a shameful Liberal cesspool.

    FreedomFan (873425)

  152. A.R.:

    Well no, the color of a person’s skin—nor their deferentially-distributed behavior-impacting genes—can tell you what behavior a person is doing. Only their behavior can. (However, that statistically and predictably differs between groups.)

    I assume you meant to say a person’s skin “… cannot tell you what behavior a person is doing.” But your statement in parenthesis negates that sentiment, so apparently you do believe that skin color can be a “predictable” indicator of behavior.

    DRJ (15874d)

  153. If that’s true, A.R., I’m sorry you live in an area where race trumps all.

    DRJ (15874d)

  154. Heading into the pool. JD. Still have the same question.
    Why didn’t Heide quit her job?
    Why didn’t Sen. Cruz resign to run for president?
    Power corrupts. Once U get that taste, it’s hard to give it up.
    To paraphrase a much better man than me, “I disagree with everything U have to say, but I will defend to my death UR right to say it”. The UR is for Beldar.
    Had men die in my arms for people like y’all.
    Wonder if any of U would do the same for me.

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  155. Why didn’t Heide quit her job?
    Why didn’t Sen. Cruz resign to run for president?

    Why should they? None of the other candidates, or their spouses, have quit their jobs. Nor did any of the candidates or their spouses the last few times. The only people I can think of who did so were the Doles.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  156. #181 is Correct. The rest is race hustling.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  157. #183 is also true.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  158. MD. I owe ur favorite charity $100. I’ll check back on this thread unless Ald. Roti’s people track me down. Let me know what it is. Something to help Christians from being crucified in the Middle East would be great!
    We’re gonna do the same thing to Cruz. It’s in our nature.

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  159. A.R.,

    Either race is predictive of behavior or it isn’t. You say it doesn’t predict one person’s behavior but it is predictive of group behavior. Isn’t that what you are saying?

    DRJ (15874d)

  160. 181. It’s called morality, ethics, principle, the right thing to do, all those things most of us have forgotten exist. Maybe U can get a job suppressing bimbo eruptions not that George Stephanoupolus is busy.

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  161. Thanks, RKS.
    When the obvious doesn’t seem obvious to others, it would give pause,
    But then again, with what they have been teaching in schools these last many decades, and rampant dishonesty about….

    Didn’t Orwell say something about the first duty of reasonable people is to restate the obvious.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  162. I’m sorry that’s true where you live. I’m glad it isn’t where I live.

    DRJ (15874d)

  163. Can we all do a self intervention and stop interacting with a few of these folks?

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  164. Trolls are special. Yet predictable. And tiresome.

    JD (34f761)

  165. And why do y’all refuse to believe what we’re gonna do?
    Alan Greyson, anyone??
    PLEASE wake up!

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  166. Let them eat cake.

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  167. “It’s called morality, ethics, principle, the right thing to do, all those things most of us have forgotten exist.”

    Self-awareness, you have none. The irony in this is richer than foie gras wrapped in pancetta, coming from a Chicago Leftist.

    JD (34f761)

  168. What is wrong with people being different?

    DRJ (15874d)

  169. Hillary made more in 3 hours worth of speeches than Heidi made in a year. And Heidi added to the economy.

    JD (34f761)

  170. “It’s hard *not* to look at the movement supporting Mr. Trump and see really terrible things.”

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/14/2016 @ 2:21 pm

    Interested in knowing what your take is on the criminality, illegal use of cabinet position for personal enrichment, etc. of Hillary Clinton and the outdated tribalism, victimhood, envy, class warfare strategy employed by Sanders. Are you okay with all of that? Only some of that?

    Colonel Haiku (eff58e)

  171. I understand most blacks vote for Obama. I get that polls say Hispanics nationwide care about amnesty. All I’m saying is that I live in a place where race doesn’t seem to correlate to values. I know people who are white, black, Asian and Hispanic who vote Republican and who believe in God, family and the Second Amendment. I feel fortunate to live in a place like that.

    DRJ (15874d)

  172. It can happen. If you live in a place that has jobs and freedom and let’s people be people first.

    DRJ (15874d)

  173. DRJ – you are like a Lysenkoist Communist if you disagree.

    JD (34f761)

  174. I think it was Ben Franklin who said those who would swap Jeri Ryan for a cheap piece of chatte deserves neither.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  175. I wish I could be as good and nasty as the uncertain author.

    DNF (755a85)

  176. Freedom, jobs and opportunity are like magnets that bring people to my area, but it also lifts those people up. Some stay here and some go back to where they came from, but all end up with greater skills, assets and abilities. It doesn’t have to be a zero sum game as you posit.

    DRJ (15874d)

  177. A.R., is providing folks a lesson in reasoning. It is not well received I see

    DRJ, I would like to know how many blacks where you lived voted Obama. How on earth did you find them?

    I know of one in my group of friends but that is still 1 of maybe 50/60.

    Look, facts remain facts in spite of how much folks want to dispute them and it is true that Race drives Voting Patterns even if there are exceptions to generalized rule

    In future, who knows but these types of societal numbers change over time and they change because that group feels a vested interest in doing so. Like Southern Democrats becoming Republicans over time and Northern Republicans becoming Democrats.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  178. It makes sense if you live in a place where people don’t believe in and defend capitalism.

    DRJ (15874d)

  179. I’m sorry, Rodney King’s Spirit, but I don’t understand what you are asking me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  180. A.R., #213 Commandment number 9 pretty much summarizes the fact this has always existed. With respect to Capitalism and Freedom, they beat the alternative by a mile. Anyone with History in Leftist Countries understand this so simply and clearly.

    It is the foggy headed Graduate Degree Class that does not understand. It is also this Class which poisons people against each other with appeals to jealousy. That is the central hallmark to socialism, pure jealousy which then used to divide and conquer. It is fundamentally evil system even if capitalism is “unfair” to those less deserving of the fruits of the system.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  181. DRJ, you mention above that you know many blacks that live “in your area” that voted Obama. I am curious how many.

    I live and interact with many blacks folks and I sourced ONE person who voted McCain or Romney.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  182. And make no mistake folks, you can cry about a right wing fascist but trust me they work out much better than even Left Wing moderates. Left wing fascists, well they are homicidal lunatics normally.

    Bottom line is the left’s ideology is based on evil impulse known as jealousy. Everything in Socialism is based on that one human sin.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  183. 208 LOL! Always thought losing the election was worth the assimilation!

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  184. Oh! I was in Grant Park in 68. Same playbook today. We use it cuz it still works.

    Kobeclan (f1d62c)

  185. “For the GOP to think wide-open immigration is a sustainable political plan …”

    Nonsense. Even the squishes and turncoats. There may be an exception, but I don’t recall anyone advocating for wide-open immigration.

    JD (f1ca56)

  186. 142.Hoagie – one of the things that I see happening on the left, in response to Mr. Trump, is that many people are reacting with “see! the left’s criticisms of the right were correct all along!”

    It’s hard *not* to look at the movement supporting Mr. Trump and see really terrible things.
    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/14/2016 @ 2:21 pm

    aphrael, I see the people you describe pointing at the Trump supporters and saying “see” as those who always point at any Republican with the same charges. Trump is just their latest excuse for branding us bigots. And when you say it’s hard not to see “really terrible things” you should be looking at those supporting Sanders and Hillary! Under that cute little ole man façade lies the hateful heart of a communist. Those two are the ones who pose the threat not a buffoon like Trump. People who support commies support “really terrible things” and all they need do is look back 80 years.

    Trump hit on an open sore in America: immigration. We have an immigration problem and any time anybody mentions it they’re called racist. Just look at this thread. Trump picked at this sore and the people responded to the years of lies about immigration from both parties. They’re tired of the lies about the border, the actual numbers of illegal and legal immigrants and the lies about their suppose “assimilation”. They’re tired about the lies when the government allows millions of economically low end immigrants in and they either take the low end jobs from Americans or worse live off our taxes. They’re tired about the never-built wall. And now they’re tired about phony “refugees” and moslem terrorist imports. I bet if there were a million grade A lawyers coming into America every year to practice law instead of grape pickers the politicians would be tripping all over each other to “stop the illegals”, no wall too high!

    But these racist pro-immigrationists don’t care that previous immigrants and African Americans are being replaced on the job by low pay fresh illegals. There was a time we could absorb a million people but those days are gone. Plus, you can’t have immigration in a welfare state. Finally, there seems to be some sort of conspiracy to immigrate only people from non-white countries. Almost as if someone were “stacking the deck” against a white culture. Now why would that be? But if anyone says these things Bam! they’re racist. Well guess what? Trump says them. And people are listening.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  187. Kobe – people treat you like a troll because you are a mendoucheous troll. It was evident from the beginning.

    JD (f1ca56)

  188. when did boy ryan shave off his man beard

    happyfeet (831175)

  189. 96 … he’s a typical New York limousine liberal …

    Trump is obviously not a typical limousine liberal and it is quite bizarre to claim that he is.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  190. As RKS mentioned,
    There is great gain in godliness
    With contentment

    Envy is a much bigger problem than income inequality.
    But Alinsky and Lucifer turn it around.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  191. hf,
    I saw him say that he always grows a beard in the fall for deer hunting season,
    Just usually no one pays that much attention to him to notice.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  192. 217.DRJ, you mention above that you know many blacks that live “in your area” that voted Obama. I am curious how many.

    I don’t talk politics that much in my real life — I save it for online — so it’s a small sample: Maybe 6-7, with a similar number of white and Hispanic friends. (There aren’t many Asians in my area but the ones I know all voted Republican.)

    If you want something more substantial, the election results for my county and the nearby counties show there are more black voters than there were total votes for Obama in 2008 and 2012 by a factor of approximately 8:1 and 6:1. Thus, even if every single Obama vote was cast by a black voter in 2008 and 2012 (which is unlikely, since there were probably some Hispanics and whites who voted for Obama), then 1 out of every 6-8 black voters didn’t vote for Obama.

    DRJ (15874d)

  193. oh.

    ok.

    happyfeet (831175)

  194. 186 Either race is predictive of behavior or it isn’t. You say it doesn’t predict one person’s behavior but it is predictive of group behavior. Isn’t that what you are saying?

    It predicts individual behavior in a statistical sense. Consider auto insurance. Auto insurance companies charge men higher rates than women because men are more likely to get into auto accidents. Of course an individual man may get into fewer accidents than an individual woman in any given year but as you look at larger and larger groups of men and women it becomes less and less likely than the male group will be in fewer accidents than the female group.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  195. I probably should have said 1:8 and 1:6, instead of 8:1 and 6:1. But you get the idea.

    DRJ (15874d)

  196. mister happyfeet, apparently Paul Ryan grows a beard at the same time every year for hunting season, when he knows he’s going to spend a lot of time out of doors in the cold. He doesn’t want to end up like Leo Di Caprio, shivering his timbers in the bear movie.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  197. Hi Hoagie, at 223:

    I’m a software engineer as well as a lawyer. There’s a *huge* number of software engineers coming in every year; yet very few software engineers are supporting Mr. Trump.

    Mr. Trump’s supporters are listening to an obvious self-absorbed con man who is *inflaming* their anger by making them think that he’ll end the abuse they’ve received and punish their abusers.

    This isn’t true of either Sen. Clinton’s supporters or Sen. Sanders supporters, because Sen. Clinton and Sen. Sanders, for all their faults, aren’t doing that.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  198. AR – Neither side should be engaging in threats of violence against the other, and I don’t think there is *anyone* here on the anti-Trump side who would disagree with that.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  199. Kasich & Rubio are now making noises to the effect that they might not support Trump if he becomes the Republican nominee.

    I’m not going to argue with anyone who’s pledged #NeverTrump. I’m not one; I will cast a meaningful ballot against the Democratic Party’s nominee, and the only way to do that is to vote for the Republican nominee — even if I despise him, even if I think he’s equally as evil and venal as the Democrat.

    But Rubio & Kasich have, like Cruz, formally pledged to the party and to the American public that they would support the GOP nominee. Voters may — indeed, they should — have factored that pledge into votes that have already been cast in detrimental reliance on the pledge.

    Of course, Trump also took that pledge — not that his word means anything to anyone, including his own befuddled supporters, who never flinch when he breaks his promises or reverses himself like a spinning top).

    If Kasich & Rubio both recognize Trump’s unfitness, but they want to avoid making a solemn pledge like this to the American public, they should have put their own massive egos behind them and taken a hard look at reality about two or three weeks ago. And they should have dropped out.

    Color me nauseated, then, at their current waffling on their promise.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  200. Beldar – or they should have refused to take the pledge in the debate last week and explained their reasons why.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  201. Ah, damn. Massive editing error made a sentence in the next-to-last paragraph above mean something completely different than I intended. It ought to have read:

    If Kasich & Rubio both recognize Trump’s unfitness, but they want to avoid making breaking a solemn pledge like this to the American public, they should have put their own massive egos behind them and taken a hard look at reality about two or three weeks ago. And they should have dropped out.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  202. Well, I frankly don’t think there can be any justification for them breaking the pledge, aphrael. They haven’t learned anything of consequence about Trump in the last three weeks. Has anyone?

    They stand on a different footing than you, me, the readers of this blog, or the rest of the American public, because none of us has given a solemn public pledge with the intention that it be relied upon by the public in making voting decisions that can’t, now, be undone.

    They’re just proving they never were sincere in the first place. It makes me think poorly of them, because once again it demonstrates that they’re not acting in the first instance out of concern for the public, but rather out of ambition.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  203. #240 Beldar,

    What you said. With a couple of exclamation points.
    If either Rubio or Kasich really means “Never Trump,” then they should have each gotten the heck out of the race a couple weeks ago so that everyone can coalesce behind Ted.
    I’m also with you in that I will vote for Bugs Bunny or Betty Boop if it means keeping the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave out of the hands of Hillary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  204. “Support,” by the way, could still be demonstrated meaningfully enough by a one-sentence tweet that doesn’t even refer to Trump by name, but that simply says: “I support and intend to vote for the Republican nominee.”

    I don’t expect Ted Cruz to go out and campaign for Trump if Trump were to get the nomination. That would surprise me, because it would be beyond the boundaries of the pledge as given.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  205. Again a case of Republicans saying one thing then doing another. While reneging they make the buffoon look like the only one who keeps his word. Is there any wonder people follow him with clowns like this?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  206. Beldar, your “massive ego” provided the needed context, and I thought “you’ve got that right.” But for Rubio and Kasich to have come to the right conclusion a few weeks ago (ego or not) would require them to have some abilities at thinking beyond the first step, Sowell’s “but then what happens.” We are ruled by a class of politicians who won’t even acknowledge that the second step exists.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  207. The buffoon is the only one who never keeps his word, Hoagie.

    The fact that Kasich & Rubio are waffling doesn’t put them on any kind of moral plane with Trump, who’s a genuinely pathological liar and narcissist.

    But it puts them a step lower in my estimation of their integrity as compared to any moral person’s expectations, and I’d be disappointed in Ted Cruz were he to join them.

    Now, Ted Cruz did say today, IIRC, that he might revisit his pledge if Donald Trump were to shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. I suppose someone could link the Jim Carey Dumb & Dumber clip — “So you’re saying there’s a chance!” — but I believe Cruz was joking, and in effect thereby reconfirming the solemnity with which he took the vow to begin with.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  208. Also: Trump might shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Stranger things have already happened in this campaign.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  209. There’s nothing ludicrous about saying you got yanked hard and got bruises?

    The backspin is what is ludicrous and lowers the credibility of anyone trying it. If it was a nothing, they farked it up big time by denying the smaller affront.

    SarahW (67599f)

  210. the die is cast

    happyfeet (831175)

  211. some bad punctuation there – should be no question mark.

    SarahW (67599f)

  212. From the perspective of a spinning top, the view constantly reverses itself. Pretend you’re Trump, and you’ll understand.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  213. I think it is a little early to concede the nomination to Trump. Less than half the delegates have been awarded to date, and Trump’s margin is a small fraction of the votes for candidates who will drop out very soon. So these hypotheticals are constructed on a very weak foundation … a bunch of polls that have rarely predicted the result within the anticipated uncertainty. The turnouts for these primaries are usually little more than swamp vapors. If the core of the Party gets off its rear end and simply votes at levels befitting a presidential election, they could still give the nomination to Cruz.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  214. Simple question. Why didn’t she quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 12:32 pm

    Complicated question in reply: Why was she supposed to?

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  215. AR – tell us a topic that Trump has not waffled on. He had a lifetime of support for leftism, and now has a sudden change of heart, throws out ridiculous narratives, which he immediately backtracks from, yet you sycophants hold him up as some paragon of virtue. It is insane.

    JD (f1ca56)

  216. Patton, under MacArthur’s overall command, did indeed order six battle tanks to charge on the U.S. military veterans who comprised the “Bonus Army” in Washington in 1932. It was the most shameful incident of his career, and it helped lead to FDR’s electoral victory.

    But yeah, if you want to fantasize that Donnie Trump — with his high school diploma from the military school to which he was sent as a disciplinary problem by his rich daddy — is somehow comparable to George Patton, knock yourself out. Me, I think Trump wouldn’t have been able to avoid combat in WW2 based on his imaginary bone spur in — which ankle was it? I think Trump would have been one of the kind of soldier whom Patton got in trouble for slapping.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  217. Yes of course. Desperate times call for desperate measures. And, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Besides, the ends justify the means.

    Yeah, well, I’ll cheerfully fight with all my might against you and your strongman, just as i already do against the looney leftists.

    SCW Sargent (f4a4b8)

  218. He might if there was a reason. It’s the sort of thing Patton would do.

    Speaking of Dumb and Dumber.

    DRJ (15874d)

  219. Your “other half”? I’ve always seen it referred to as the “better half” as a sign of affection or respect.

    DRJ (15874d)

  220. I smell lawsuit!

    When did reporters get so fragile? Use those high-heels, hon.

    mojo (a3d457)

  221. I would laugh but I think you mean it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  222. It’s not a trick question. Why did Heidi Cruz take a leave of absence rather than quit?
    Anybody who’s ever worked on Wall Street knows the answer.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  223. Because it is like the mafia, no one quits alive???

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  224. Beldar. You know the answer. Have the balls to admit it.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  225. Troublesome events and “chaos” at political events in Chicago?

    All of these talking heads need some history about chaos:
    https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=dnc+convention+1968+youtube&ei=UTF-8&fr=chr-greentree_ff&ilc=12&type=926458

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  226. Actually MD in Philly. There is one. He’s been in the news.
    Probably the only one.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  227. Bugger off, troll.

    AR – Trump should explain to us the principles behind his epiphany then. Fact is, he speaks conservative about as well as Romney tried to. you have made no case for changing ones principles, beyond your fear of increasing numbers of brown people. Others cite anger. How about some first principles? Fact is Trump can’t even describe the Sessions immigration plan he co-opted. And has all but acknowledged that is the starting point for him to negotiate downward from there. You all bought snake oil and are embarrassed to admit it.

    JD (f1ca56)

  228. these two candidates not keeping their word about the pledge puts in real stark relief the GOP candidates’ penchant for lying to primary voters about important things like immigration then screwing them when they get to the White House or Congress.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 5:31 pm

    Which GOP candidates have lied to primary voters about immigration?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  229. Why does Kobeclan pee on his shoes when he tries to pee standing up?

    nk (dbc370)

  230. A made man who left the mob without going into WPP.
    Said he’s put his faith in God and is still alive.
    Says Goodfellas is close to real thing.
    I agree. But I was always “Traveler”.
    Or “Cincinnati”. Depending on wether ur a Yankee or a Rebel.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  231. Very meaningful question, nk,

    One thing about “trollish” behavior, the comments are scattered like birdshot, goalposts moved as often as a practice soccer net,
    all together makes attempted discussion an exrecise in wasted time,
    unless you enjoy it

    hey The ex-brietbart duo on live with Kelly in a moment

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  232. Nk. Why didn’t Heidi quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  233. None of U have the balls to answer.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  234. ok, thanks for clarifying that, I thought you were talking about someone who left wall street…

    I think I may have heard an interview with that person you speak of, it was some time ago, though

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  235. please, spare the drama and enlighten us.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  236. And my goalpost never moves.
    Any Wall Streeters or lawyers or financial advisors care to enlighten the minions?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  237. the moving goalpost is trying to make an issue out of jeri ryan as a prophetic warning for Cruz, then muttering abo8ut his wife, and who knows how many other non-substantive issues.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  238. Enlighten us, Kobe. Explain to us, clearly, why she didn’t, and why she should. Spell it out. You can’t. And won’t.

    JD (f1ca56)

  239. Why didn’t Heidi quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 6:17 pm

    What don’t you just tell us why she didn’t quit instead of continually implying something without ever telling us what it is?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  240. Michael Franzese.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  241. hey, that’s three, count ’em, 3, drei, tres…

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  242. What?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  243. Cuz you all know and won’t admit it. Y’all are smarter than me. Y do I know and U don’t?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  244. Raise your hand if you are shocked that Kobeclan’s act got tiring and got him banned at other sites?

    JD (f1ca56)

  245. It’s based on literal interpretations of words, magic constitution, and things like that.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 6:24 pm

    What?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  246. Fields and Shapiro are on Megan Kelly now.

    DRJ (15874d)

  247. Megyn Kelly.

    DRJ (15874d)

  248. Yeah. he’s the one I probably heard, it was years ago, and it seems he left the mob by the early 90’s, 20+ years ago. that fits my recollection.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  249. I don’t see where Trump has clearly changed from past positions he’s taken in the first place. Explaining why he changed when it’s not clear he has changed seems beside the point.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  250. Cuz you all know and won’t admit it. Y’all are smarter than me. Y do I know and U don’t?

    Now back to 3rd grade,
    carry on, JD

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  251. We don’t have enough time for Trump to become a conservative, A.R. At the rate he’s going, it will be 2050 before he gets there.

    DRJ (15874d)

  252. And I always sit when I pee when I’m at home. Since I am the one who cleans the house.
    Just being practical.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  253. That strict interpretation of words on paper is where it’s at. Vs., say, I don’t know—struggle between peoples, the march of technology, epigenetic effects of the changing environment on people’s biology, and so on.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 6:29 pm

    Whatever.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  254. Like Gerald, I have no idea what that means. Good effort at explaining away his transformation for support of leftist causes though. You only touched on one, shockingly, the one that resonates with you. But being a reactionary doesn’t show how the underlying principles changed.

    JD (f1ca56)

  255. epigenetic effects of the changing environment on people’s biology, and so on.

    Sounds like part of the abstract of a faked journal article

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  256. MD in Philly. You know. Admit it and tell us. Why do Wall Street people take a leave of absense rather than quit?

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  257. I’ll give y’all a hint.
    There are millions of reasons.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  258. Kobeclan, are you really Kobe Clan? Do you know the famous ninja Yugo Takashita?

    nk (dbc370)

  259. Kobeclan can’t explain it, and won’t explain it. This is its schtick.

    JD (f1ca56)

  260. I got moderated at 6:33 pm and I know why but my insult to Kobeclan does not work if I bowdlerize it.

    nk (dbc370)

  261. JD. You know the answer. U just won’t accept it.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  262. It’s my goal.

    DRJ (15874d)

  263. Richard Spencer is a well spoken suit-and-tie version of Stormfront.

    JD (f1ca56)

  264. I explained this above in the videos you unwisely discouraged Beldar from watching.

    Beldar is a big boy and decides what to watch without my help.

    What di you mean by “I”? Are you Spencer, A.R.?

    DRJ (15874d)

  265. Kobeclan – since we know it’s what you want, until you answer those 2 specific questions, your nonsense and taunting will be in moderation. You are in no way banned, but you have posted 57 variations of the exact same comment in this thread alone. Answer them, then back to your normal trolling.

    JD (f1ca56)

  266. Thank you JD!!!!!

    The playground monitor just stepped in.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  267. kobeclan’s problem
    He smells like Gertrude Stein and
    there is no there there

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  268. 157 JD

    I was just speculating as to how traditional people would view a family where the mom pulls down several million a year and shuffles the kids off to a nanny. Son of a preacher man and all that.

    But then again maybe her role model is Victoria Osteen.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  269. I understand now why Dyogenes was so frustrated.
    So hard to find an honest man. I give up!!
    The difference between quitting G-S and taking a leave of absence was $2,500,000 in 2014.
    Can only imagine what It will be this year!!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  270. Why would “traditional people” find that more offensive Trump ?

    JD (f1ca56)

  271. Figures.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  272. I helped send Cruz to the Senate so I have that on my conservative scorecard.

    DRJ (15874d)

  273. I don’t know what you mean by conserving.

    DRJ (15874d)

  274. DRJ – that’s the literal meaning of things that AR was lamenting the use of previously.

    JD (34f761)

  275. Kobeclan – why would her 2014 payment be relevant to a leave that didn’t begin until March of 2015?

    JD (34f761)

  276. Hey, pinandpuller, my daughter’s mother was certified by both Janet Reno and John Ashcroft as vital to the national interest. My mother was a Teamster and there were men who wanted her job but they couldn’t take it from her because she did it better than any of them. Not every woman is some silicone golddigger looking for a badgerheaded sugar-daddy.

    nk (dbc370)

  277. And an unpaid leave, at that … As we all suspected, this is just silly bibble babble from you. At best.

    JD (34f761)

  278. Actually Arians Huffington who andrew helped launch her site, is who fields currently reminds me of

    narciso (732bc0)

  279. They fact Heidi is Ted’s bagman is embarrassing to all his supporters.
    Not surprised none of U had the balls to admit it.
    Got put in moderation just in time to keep y’all in your safe space.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  280. 227. I applaud your effort, credibly more persuasive than mine.

    I do not get the sense that this crowd is interested in other’s heads except as self-gratuity.

    DNF (755a85)

  281. Sympathy For teh Kobe

    “Please allow me to masturbate myself
    I’m a fan of wealth and bad taste
    I’ve been around this blog for far too long
    Stole many a man’s time and day
    And I was ’round when Donald Trump
    Had his farcical sad campaign
    Made damn sure that JD
    Threw me out and sealed my fate
    squeezed teh meat you
    Musta guessed my name
    But what’s confuzzling you
    Is the nature of my game”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  282. The idea that Mrs Cruz is Sen Cruz’s bagman is laughable. I was really hoping you had something interesting to add, some insight we had never considered. DailyKos spittle is a waste of pixels.

    Riddle me this – if Mrs Cruz’s 2.5M that she earned, which you pulled from your arse, concerns yo sooooooooo much, I am sure that you are 10x as concerned with all the Wall St filthy lucre that the Clintons have scavenged from those evil capitalists. Amirite?!

    JD (34f761)

  283. It’s not a trick question. Why did Heidi Cruz take a leave of absence rather than quit?
    Anybody who’s ever worked on Wall Street knows the answer.

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 6:02 pm

    Didn’t think it was. You’re the one that keeps bringing up the point. Why don’t you elaborate? I’ve never worked on Wall Street, so I am not, as you like to claim, going to know the answer.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  284. C’mon, Newt Gingrich! New president of buttboys for Trump

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  285. Kasich did tip his hat to reality and politely told Romany to kiss off.

    OH electorate, relative to other states, is highly volatile just now.

    DNF (755a85)

  286. They fact Heidi is Ted’s bagman is embarrassing to all his supporters.
    Not surprised none of U had the balls to admit it.
    Got put in moderation just in time to keep y’all in your safe space.

    Kobeclan (04a945) — 3/14/2016 @ 6:59 pm

    Well, considering you have zero proof for that charge, you shouldn’t be surprised that there is nothing to admit.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  287. Shirley you can’t be serious over this minor fracas. There are bigger fish to microwave.

    narciso (732bc0)

  288. SCOTT ADAMS: “The Media Are Trying To Get Donald Trump Killed:

    Back in 1997 I made a prediction in my book The Dilbert Future that seems to be coming true. It stated:

    In the future, the media will kill famous people to generate news that people will care about. – The Dilbert Future (May 1997)

    Three months later, the media chased Princess Di into a tunnel and created a dangerous situation that killed her but was terrific for television news ratings. The media didn’t plot to kill anyone, but they created a situation that made it likely someone important would die because of the way their business model works. That was the basis for my prediction.

    Fast-forward to today and we see the media priming the public to try to kill Trump, or at least create some photogenic mayhem at a public event. Again, no one is sitting in a room plotting Trump’s death, but – let’s be honest – at least half of the media believes Trump is the next Hitler, and a Hitler assassination would be morally justified. Also great for ratings. The media would not be charged with any crime for triggering some nut to act. There would be no smoking gun. No guilt. No repercussions. Just better ratings and bonuses all around. . . .

    I could go on, but you see how easy this is. The mainstream media can either portray Trump as Hitler or non-Hitler. So far, they have chosen (subconsciously I assume) the Hitler analogy all the way.”

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/229143/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  289. What remains astounding to me is that traditional Conservatives think as 15% of the population at the outside might lead America to restoration.

    You know, bend the curve ever so slightly in the other direction, so that the leftist core atrophies over time as the Congressional Record burgeons.

    Time stops and all the busy little conventionalists put pies back on the windowsill and trim the hedges, scrape and paint and then we all wake up to Wonder.

    DNF (755a85)

  290. All of that for that????
    That was about as big as a disclosure as jeri ryan.

    Trump is a joke,
    Sanders is a joke,
    that he is a serious candidate pushing a failed ideology makes him a sick joke
    that a liar like H. Clinton is a serious candidate is an obscene joke

    I don’t get the trollish point
    You don’t want us to vote for Cruz?
    That is about as convincing as being told to open the door to the basement in a horror movie, why would one want to listen to that?

    So because Mrs. Cruz is accomplished and actually making a lot of money as a valuable employee,
    that is supposed to be a turnoff and make us vote for someone who started out with many millions and has taken his companies through bankruptcy 4 times??
    that doesn’t make any sense either.

    What really doesn’t make sense is wasting anymore time with this.
    Other than the opportunity to hang out with the friends among us.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  291. AR – you should find Christoph. He’s a white supremacist white nationalist too.

    JD (f1ca56)

  292. 294 AR

    I wonder about Ted Cruz’s conversion. Or at least his testimony.

    Is there a videotape of him somewhere harkening the White Throne Judgement?

    Release the tape Ted.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  293. Can Ted get the rino’s in the corral long enough to brand them?

    mg (31009b)

  294. No one here wants Trump hurt, let alone killed.

    DRJ (15874d)

  295. What remains astounding to me is that traditional Conservatives think as 15% of the population at the outside might lead America to restoration.

    Sorry that you have frayed around the edges over time,
    but
    what are you talking about and what do you think the alternative is?
    Are you upset because we haven’t built our bunkers yet and stored our gold and ammo?

    It may be that our country has already received the death blow and all that is left is for the body to hit the ground no matter what we do,
    does that make you happy or reassure you?

    Trump is not going to help, at least not except by some quirk of fate or accident.

    I have said before and will say again,
    it will be a miracle if Cruz could win,
    it would be a second miracle if he could use the presidential bully pulpit to educate the American public as to what the Constitution says, what it means, how things have been messed up, and the advantages of trying to stick to it.
    Whether we are talking about 1.5%, 15%, or 55% of the public.

    What are you folks trying to argue for? That Trump will win a general election and move the country in a good direction??
    You are either delusional or live in CO and up on a mountain smoking “good stuff”.
    G’night.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  296. I think they are all wrong, AR. I don’t view people as part of a collective, I view people as individuals. Spencer’s white nationalism is every bit as divisive an insidious as La Raza, BLM, et al

    JD (f1ca56)

  297. Of course present company doesn’t but ayers would, the collateral effect of taking out Andrew’s project along the way

    narciso (732bc0)

  298. 351. The idea that has caught my attention is that we are nearing the end of an economic era that was acknowledged, already in swing, by Bretton Woods, after the replacement of the British pound as our global currency standard.

    Globalization, automation and technologic advances have enriched our standard of life at the same time as obviating our productivity in the workplace.

    Thus the loss of jobs worldwide. Yesterday 100s of thousands of miners rioted in NE China, many laid off but the bulk unpaid for months. Here in the US more than 40% of the able-bodied are on disability, unemployment or food stamps and government revenues are off 5% and climbing as measured by tax withholding and refunds. The instantiation of negative interest rates is an admission that the future is similarly bleak.

    Constitutional Conservatism would be a fine thing if it were a regime for what ails. Its like vitamins and exercise for a victim of sloth, whereas the patient is in the ICU with no blood pressure.

    DNF (755a85)

  299. I’m not trying to shame you. Good on you that you own up to your views. I still find them noxious.

    JD (f1ca56)

  300. DNF,
    would you stop complaining and forecasting doom for one fricking second and say what you think we ought to do?
    Or are we just to lay down and wait to die?
    Or do you seriously think Trump will do something?
    Or are you waiting for an iron fist to take over and hope it is not a communist iron fist?

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  301. 365. You want a solution.

    I don’t know that there is one but we need to invest our time and energy in Millenials and GenFkd; the GenXers see us as failures stealing their dinner.

    Our time has passed.

    DNF (755a85)

  302. The 100-meter really annoys me. You practice the 100-yard dash all your life and then they throw in an extra nine plus yards for no reason at all. (Not that I can run either anymore but it’s the principle of the thing.)

    nk (dbc370)

  303. people’s interests either move them closer to truth and faith in the one True God or not,
    and race makes no difference,
    personal responsibility, respect for personal property, belief in the innate dignity of human beings,
    and the ideas that flow from those basic beliefs are what is important, no matter the color
    perhaps that is why God spoke to us principally in His intervention in the Middle east, at the convergence of white Brown black and whatever

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  304. I can show concern for Trump and Fields at the same time, A.R. It’s not that difficult.

    DRJ (15874d)

  305. You still don’t see the big picture, ayers has been working this project for 50 years, Obama was his most immediate vehicle, although gramsci paved the way.

    narciso (732bc0)

  306. You are pushing Spencer on us, and I am wrong about the views? Gotcha. You stick with your identity politics writ really large. I’ll do my thing.

    JD (f1ca56)

  307. No, DNF, I don’t want a solution (from you), I want to know what your point is,
    and if your only point is to say we are in a mess and it looks hopeless, then just say it

    The solution is always in “repentance and rest”,
    not frantically trying to manipulate something.

    That is why I am for the most straightforward declaration of what is true and without manipulation.
    If “it doesn’t work”, you have no regrets because you did the right thing anyway.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  308. And Alinsky was working, and Lucifer was working since long before any of them.

    Trump is going to do something about that???
    Really???

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  309. 372. There is no path to Not-Trump saving your precious status quo for makeover.

    The political rioting will continue to increase, the stock market will crash, energy companies and those connected to them will go bankrupt by the thousands, banks will fail, etc. All to a degree worse than 2009. It will all be blamed on Trump but without effect.

    What Trump will do is of interest, but no one on the scene is prepared to deal with the consequences.

    Prepare for the worst and pray.

    DNF (755a85)

  310. Who are “his people,” A.R.?

    DRJ (15874d)

  311. So you have no idea what the truth is, all you know is I am wrong.
    The old time Chicago politicians and mobsters would be embarrassed to use family like Ted uses Heidi.
    Times have changed. Bill used Hillary. Obama used Michelle (no show job at U of Chicago).
    And a 30+ woman with two young children is pulling a 7 figure income on Wall Street.
    Takes a leave of absence so she gets her bonus for doing nothing other than being a senator’s and possibly a president’s wife. And y’all say no big deal. Amazing!

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  312. nk – What if you were swimming those extra 9 yards?

    mg (31009b)

  313. 332The difference between quitting G-S and taking a leave of absence was $2,500,000 in 2014.

    You have a source for this? According to the 1040 on Cruz’s website their total income in 2014 was $1.2 million.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  314. I also categorically refuse to engage in any discussion with anyone who uses “ur” to mean “your” in blog comments.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 3/14/2016 @ 1:45 pm

    Word. No, really. “Ur” is German for “original”. Which Kobechan is not.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  315. It doesn’t seem Cruz is clued in, and apparently, most of you are ignoring what happened in the last ten years

    narciso (732bc0)

  316. DNF
    Your presumptions are enough to make me scream

    Why do you think I’m looking for saving some status quo?
    there is no status quo, things will get better or worse

    I’m perfectly fine with you thinking things are so bad Cruz or anybody (other than Trump) will have no effect,
    what I can’t be fine with is the delusion that somehow Trump will be the nation’s savior

    That is as crazy as thinking Obama was going to make the sea levels behave

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  317. It will take a few years to bottom but by the election everyone will know we are in deep doo-doo with absolutely no one to lead us out.

    No solution will be found thru government, reining in government is not within our scope.

    DNF (755a85)

  318. Nice guy intellectual Spencer and you should go start your own homeland for dispossessed whites of European descent.

    JD (f1ca56)

  319. It doesn’t seem Cruz is clued in, and apparently, most of you are ignoring what happened in the last ten years

    Elaborate, please.
    What have I been ignoring the last 10 years?

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  320. James – it doesn’t even matter. She didn’t start her leave until Mar 2015.

    JD (f1ca56)

  321. Actually I support Cruz. I’m worried Trump will realize he is gonna be our next president and find “wedding ninjas” threatening his family. Just want you all to realize Cruz is just another politician. Can be bought and sold like all the rest. Just better than any democrat. No more. No less. Just hope he understands the next election is a one issue election.
    Immigration is the only issue. All other issues are secondary to that.
    You sneak in, you get to stay is not a policy, it’s a death sentence for the middle class.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  322. It will take a few years to bottom but by the election everyone will know we are in deep doo-doo with absolutely no one to lead us out.

    No solution will be found thru government, reining in government is not within our scope.

    So, you are saying it doesn’t matter who becomes president?

    maybe so, that doesn’t mean I will vote for an opportunist narcissistic megalomaniac like Trump who knows how to make a sale but not run a business.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  323. White people who reject western civilization are not what we used to call Europeans.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  324. All these convenient narratives shaped by the journolist, voldemort, Nadia naffe, max blumenthal, occupy, some lives mAtter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  325. Europe fell because it forgot and denied what made them Europe.”G nite, until morning.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ebc723)

  326. The $2.5 million bonus was for a similar level GS executive who took a leave of absence in 2014. Not Heidi.
    Women always get less. But I’m sure they will be generous to the First Lady. /s

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  327. 393. If I impute a mistaken belief here or there I am sorry, however, an individual’s beliefs are interwoven in a network and to some degree can be deduced from those contingent on others expressed.

    Voting has become entertainment for the masses, you may as well be exercised by “The Bachelor” contestant’s successes or failures.

    We are up against a hard break. Will Trump be worse than Cruz in this coming term, perhaps, but Cruz cannot win.

    DNF (755a85)

  328. Well they call them transnationalists, progressives, all that claptrap, the Frankfurt school cooked up.

    narciso (732bc0)

  329. Cruz beats Hillary in polling, where Trump does not.

    JD (f1ca56)

  330. Volodya might be many things, but he is not of that ilk, for good and I’ll he represents the diarist synthesis of the oprichniki and the orthodox church

    narciso (732bc0)

  331. And please accept my apology to all. I just got annoyed nobody would answer a question my 13 y/o godson knew the answer to.
    We all have a lot at stake in this election.
    We just all need to know what our real choices are.
    As scared as anybody else right now.

    Kobeclan (04a945)

  332. 400. And this is absolutely what we must plan for, Europe in full-blown class war; Japan, finally, after a quarter century of deflation hits the wall running NIRP and QE simultaneously; Brazil in catastrophic depression, worse than Greece; China with riots in the hundreds of thousands and only Nationalism to divert them; Turkey and Saudi Arabia at war with Iran, all of these and more developing as we clickety-clack.

    To say nothing of universal Central Bank failure.

    Gird your loins.

    DNF (755a85)

  333. Western culture, Churchill might say, is the worst except for all the others, it has been the only one where consent of the people has been maintained for any real interval, yes it has it’s flaws hence the caveat.

    narciso (732bc0)

  334. Interesting times, although I see warlordism in the middle kingdom.

    narciso (732bc0)

  335. Last comment for the night…
    Six months ago I would have never expected Cruz to be in the race,
    Looking at who is left, I am confident he is the best person by far to be president,
    Does that mean I am confident he will win?
    Not at all

    Some trust in princes or chariots,
    We will trust in the Lord our God
    Should He choose not to save us,
    That is up to Him
    But I will not bow down to the proud and arrogant for deliverance.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  336. DNF: even if what you are saying in 410 is true, what Trump’s supporters seem to be saying is “let’s join them in jumping off the cliff into the abyss!”

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  337. Ok, DNF,
    You think Trump will be good at handling that?
    I don’t.
    If someone is going to be President, I’d rather it be Cruz than any of the others,
    Is that so bad?

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  338. 410. Get out of mutual equity funds now. Pay down your credit card debt. Move to liquid assets even cash. Devote yourself to local connections with people with whom you’ve established trust.

    Get out of the city! Renew contacts with those who might live in fly-over country.

    Brush up on skills you might use in exchange for goods and services.

    If you have equity in an urban home, sell it, otherwise be prepared to leave quickly.

    DNF (755a85)

  339. You really think this is just about trump, honestly.

    narciso (732bc0)

  340. Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
    And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
    Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
    Rotate your tires.
    Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
    And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
    Know what to kiss, and when.
    Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
    Wherever possible, put people on hold.
    Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
    and despite the changing fortunes of time,
    There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

    Remember The Pueblo.
    Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate.
    Know yourself. If you need help, call the FBI.
    Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
    Especially with those persons closest to you –
    That lemon on your left, for instance.
    Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
    Would scarcely get your feet wet.
    Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face.
    Gracefully surrender the things of youth: birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan.
    And let not the sands of time get in your lunch.
    Hire people with hooks.
    For a good time, call 606-4311. Ask for Ken.
    Take heart in the bedeepening gloom
    That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
    And reflect that whatever fortune may be your lot,
    It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

    You are a fluke of the universe.
    You have no right to be here.
    And whether you can hear it or not,
    The universe is laughing behind your back.

    Therefore, make peace with your god,
    Whatever you perceive him to be – hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
    With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban renewal,
    The world continues to deteriorate.
    Give up!

    nk (dbc370)

  341. 414, 415. Are you affluent? Then you are a target. Who cares about Trump care for your selves.

    The Wash. Times predicts Trump will be just 74 votes short of first ballot victory.

    Yes, the GOP can stop Trump but at a cost of half their turnout in the general.

    DNF (755a85)

  342. Narciso, was that to me?

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  343. Thank you, nk.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  344. It’s better sung. That Melissa Manchester on the refrain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFLvhKv-Lbo

    nk (dbc370)

  345. 418. All is well! ALL IS WELL!

    Seriously, this time it is different. Most of us should survive.

    Holocaust survivor Israel Kristal was confirmed by Guinness World Records on Friday as the planet’s oldest living man, having graced the earth for 112 years and 178 days.

    “I don’t know the secret for long life,” Kristal, who lives in Haifa, Israel, told Guinness. “I believe that everything is determined from above and we shall never know the reasons why. There have been smarter, stronger and better looking men than me who are no longer alive.”

    But few men have lived through so much tumult and turmoil.

    Born Sept. 15, 1903, in what was then Russian-occupied Poland, Kristal survived World War I despite being separated from his parents.

    Kristal was living in the city of Lodz with his wife, Chaja Feige, and their two kids when World War II erupted and they were forced by the Germans into a Jewish ghetto.

    Four years later, Kristal and his family was sent to Auschwitz. Only he survived. He weighed just 82 pounds when he was liberated by the Allies.

    In 1950, Kristal and his second wife and son left Poland for Israel, where he owned and operated a candy business.

    DNF (755a85)

  346. Not specifically, he’s just the tallest tree, we’ve seen harsher timbers abandoned if not chopped down.

    narciso (732bc0)

  347. I have had discussions with friends over the last 30 years about how atypical life in the US has been in the history of mankind, yet we have learned to take it for granted, and to complain about conditions that most of the world would envy (section 8 housing and food stamps even).

    That is why I have always looked to examples like Corrie ten Boom, “every day people” who lived out their faith in the midst of terrible times.

    But if there happens to be an election before the mountains crash into the heart of the sea, I will vote for the person I think is best,
    Just like I stop at a stop sign,
    It may not change the world, but it was the right thing to do at the time.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  348. #419 DNF,

    I think you’re insinuating that a lot of “Trumpsters” would stay home on that special Tuesday in November, if he were not the nominee.
    That’s the effing problem.
    The “Trumpsters” are not exactly anti-Left or anti-Hillary so much as they are sycophants of The Donald. It’s a cult of personality.

    But those of us are passionately anti-Left will come out to vote for whomever the nominee is just so that we can defeat Hillary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  349. Hey A.R.,
    What you are warning of is about 2,000 years behind the times
    For nation will rise up against nation

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  350. But what difference does it make, DNF, if the Republican turnout is low if it is not Trump? The scenario you describe will be utterly beyond what Hillary or Sanders could cope with. They are not to be feared in crisis, it will manage them.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  351. 427. There’s no hypocrisy in your family.

    DNF (755a85)

  352. Worthier timbers, I mean, true the Athenian polis and the Roman republic lasted a short interval.

    narciso (732bc0)

  353. I don’t hate you, A.R.

    DRJ (15874d)

  354. 430. So you want me to tell you its a good thing you will be doing when you vote for whomever in the general?

    But more specifically, that you add your voice to the present tumult over some gadfly when you all are talking past the voters with the deciding margin.

    They are sick of being serfs in the favelas and middens of our glorious culture and want to spit in the unaccountable political class’ faces.

    I am at a loss as to why you would throw in with the political class to see your blue-eyed boy struggle in a sh!tstorm.

    DNF (755a85)

  355. We could use a Churchill or a Thatcher. This is only a political campaign and Cruz has already gotten a bit shifty. Not encouraging.

    DNF (755a85)

  356. But those of us are passionately anti-Left will come out to vote for whomever the nominee is just so that we can defeat Hillary

    That’s why all the commotion about Trump vs Cruz, or Cruz vs Rubio, or Rubio vs Trump, yadda-yadda, sort of passes me by. I just can’t get as passionate about the shortcomings of any of the Republicans—and they definitely have them, with the left-leaning flakiness of Trump, Rubio and, most certainly, Kasich at the top of my bleech list) as I get about the horrific liberal lunacy and gut-wrenching dishonesty of Hillary Clinton.

    Mark (d0514d)

  357. The difference between quitting G-S and taking a leave of absence was $2,500,000 in 2014.

    Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean? GS paid $2.5M to people who were on unpaid leave?! In what? Bonuses? That doesn’t seem plausible. If you didn’t work how could you have earned a bonus? Before I was annoyed but now I’m curious. And this isn’t something you can google; what search terms would you use?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  358. Races are real—although an imprecise concept. I like people of all races (I’m mixed race personally). Denying reality doesn’t make you a better person, it makes you a less informed person, less able (or willing) to understand the world.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 3:04 pm

    Human races are not real in any scientific sense. Take any two human beings, as dissimilar as possible, and you will find:

    There’s more genetic diversity within a group of chimps on a single hillside in Gomba than in the entire human species.

    The fact is, genetic studies show we human beings are too closely related to have any meaningful distinctions such as sub species, breeds, or races. Such groupings are entirely artificial and made up. By any reasonable measure, race is not biologically real, rather it is a political or social construct:

    Although there are differences in proportions of alleles [variant form of a gene used to track populations] in those races usually recognised in contemporary western social discourse (folk‐racial categories), these differences are no more biologically significant than are the genetic differences that exist between populations that are not socially recognised as races (populations that do not correspond to folk‐racial categories). This implies that whatever average genetic differences exist between the populations called ‘races’ in ordinary social discourse, those genetic differences are not what account for the folk‐racial categories in use today. Despite recent research sometimes taken to imply otherwise, folk‐racial categories – which remain of fundamental importance to people’s life‐prospects – remain social categories and not biological categories.

    In short:

    (I’m mixed race personally)

    …applies to everyone.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  359. Beldar, if you make a foolish pledge to do something wrong, should you compound your foolishness by doing it?! I don’t think so. Doing something that you know is wrong, just because you promised to do it, strikes me as arrogance, putting your word above your conscience. Better to just admit that you were wrong to have made the pledge, and do the right thing.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  360. I find Spencer not only a top-notch intellectual, but a nice guy. I’m not his friend, but would be.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 7:51 pm

    Fair Warning: Hold your breath, this smells rancid:

    “Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978) is an American writer, publisher, activist and self-described “identitarian” known for promoting white supremacist views.[1][2][3] He is president of the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think-tank, and Washington Summit Publishers, an independent publishing firm. Both institutions have issued studies of culture, society, nationalism, eugenics, and the study of race and intelligence.

    Spencer advocates for a white homeland for a “dispossessed white race” and calls for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to halt the “deconstruction” of European culture.[4][5][6]”

    What a swell guy A.R, a real “genius.”

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  361. Try this instead A. R, see if this helps:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    It’s from one of the greatest documents ever created by mankind. It is admired throughout the world and has inspired a hundred nations or more (once upon a time, it even inspired the creation of the greatest nation the earth has ever seen.)

    Note the ” all men are created equal” part. It is said: “one of the best-known sentences in the English language.” Key to everything, if you cannot understand that then you are lost.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  362. Donald, having denounced Duke repeatedly in the past, including recently, and immediately after that show had—when asked about Duke in conjunction with several other groups that were unnamed save one—said he’d like to look at the list before deciding who to denounce on this occasion)

    That is not what happened. There was no list of groups; he was specifically asked about Duke and other white supremacists, and he pretended not to know anything about Duke or white supremacists.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  363. I wonder about Ted Cruz’s conversion. Or at least his testimony.

    Huh? Conversion from what to what? Testimony about what?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  364. Pons, A.R. has specifically rejected that declaration and called it “silly talk”. He’s with John Calhoun on that.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  365. > Are you affluent? Then you are a target. Who cares about Trump care for your selves.

    In twenty-five years of commenting in online fora, I’ve never been told I’m potentially a target before.

    This does nothing but reaffirm my sense that Trump, and his supporters, are something new and dangerous to the Republic.

    At least *some* of his supporters believe it’s reasonable to divide Americans up into good and bad and threaten to treat the ‘bad’ Americans as *targets*. Yay?

    aphrael (3f0569)

  366. Pons, A.R. has specifically rejected that declaration and called it “silly talk”. He’s with John Calhoun on that.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/14/2016 @ 10:23 pm

    Yeah, here is my shocked face

    :-O

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  367. Race obviously does exist. Just look around you and you can see it. And obviously genes do affect behavior; they don’t determine it in any one individual, but they load the dice and make certain decisions more probable than others, so that if you test a large and randomly selected sample you’ll see a predictable pattern. That’s not racism, it’s just common sense.

    But to claim that race determines people’s voting decisions (rather than merely being temporarily correlated with something else that does so), so that we can use skin color to predict a generation in advance how people will vote, and further to claim that we ought to game future elections by adjusting the racial mix in the population, goes well beyond common sense and right into racial bigotry.

    For one thing, genes affect tastes and abilities, not conscious decisions such as political opinions. People with similar genes will tend to like the same music, the same art, the same food, the same colors and styles of clothing, but there doesn’t seem to be any such effect on opinions; those come from the environment, not from heredity. Black people didn’t always vote Democrat; that they do now in such overwhelming numbers has many reasons, but genetics isn’t one of them.

    And immigrants as a class don’t even share genes, so the whole concept is ridiculous. No cohort of immigrants can tell us anything about the next one, which will by definition be composed of different people.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  368. Races don’t have interests.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  369. >They are sick of being serfs in the favelas and middens of our glorious culture and want to spit in the unaccountable political class’ faces.

    they want to burn down the system that has oppressed them and don’t care who gets hurt in the process.

    that should scare *anyone*.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  370. Race obviously does exist. Just look around you and you can see it.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/14/2016 @ 10:34 pm

    Don’t take my word for it, check my sources, research yourself. You will notice that modern science has abandoned the notion that race exists as a matter of biology — precisely because of genetic studies. Argue with those pesky scientists.

    Granted it exists as a political and social term, but it has no scientific meaning outside of those circles.

    If not, cite your studies, be happy to take a look.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  371. Races don’t have interests.

    To expand on that, race is a trait that individuals have. It can influence them in many ways. It’s a trait that many people have in common, and those people may (or may not) also have some shared interests. But each of them is an individual, and it’s those people who have these interests; a race is not an entity, and can’t have interests.

    To see what I mean, let’s talk about another trait that many people share: tallness. Tall people have a shared interest in, for instance, increasing leg room on planes, and they share that interest because they are tall. It’s not “heightist” to acknowledge this fact. And it’s absurd to claim that height doesn’t exist. But it’s equally absurd and wrong to treat “tall” as an entity with its own interests, and tall people as mere members of that entity. Tallness is a trait, not an identity. People either have it or they don’t, and they have it to varying degrees, but they remain individuals and can’t be treated as one glob of humanity.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  372. You will notice that modern science has abandoned the notion that race exists as a matter of biology — precisely because of genetic studies. Argue with those pesky scientists.

    That’s absurd. The claim that race doesn’t exist comes from political activism, not science. What you’re citing is merely science harnessed to a political end. Again, just look around you and you can see that race exists. Or ask any doctor.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  373. The point shouldn’t be that race doesn’t exist but that it doesn’t matter.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  374. I’m simply saying it’s natural for people to organize along various lines, from family, to ethnicity, and what have you.

    Of course they do. And race is often one of those lines. But that’s a far cry from what you’ve been arguing.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  375. Oh, and Pons, Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source for assessing the character of a person on the political right. Just because WP calls Spencer a racist doesn’t mean he is one. I have no problem deciding that he is one, but not because WP says so. Despite all the denials there is an admin cabal that controls WP with an iron fist; WP is reliable on topics this cabal doesn’t care about, but not on ones it cares very much about. Anyone of at least somewhat rightist views who has edited articles on such topics for at least a year will have seen the evidence of this cabal at work. None of which is meant to be a defense of Spencer.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  376. One thing that really bothers me about the Trump campaign is that until now I’ve taken great delight in informing people that political violence in America is entirely a phenomenon of the left. Despite the lefty stereotype of the peaceful leftist and the violent rightist, it just hasn’t existed on the right. In Europe, maybe, but not in America, at least not in the past four or five decades. Until now. I can’t say it any more, because it’s no longer true. It’s no longer just the SEIU roughing people up.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  377. That’s absurd. The claim that race doesn’t exist comes from political activism, not science. What you’re citing is merely science harnessed to a political end. Again, just look around you and you can see that race exists. Or ask any doctor.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/14/2016 @ 10:44 pm

    Still waiting for your citations… Let’s see if I can help you.

    Speaking of doctors, let us try the online Medical Dictionaries

    race (redirected from Human races)

    race (rās)
    n.
    1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.

    …nope. How about Wikipedia, which I know you love:

    Even though there is a broad scientific agreement that essentialist and typological conceptualizations of race are untenable, scientists around the world continue to conceptualize race in widely differing ways, some of which have essentialist implications.[17] While some researchers sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[12] or simplistic way,[18][page needed] and argue that, among humans, race has no taxonomic significance by pointing out that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens, and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[19][20]

    …nope. No definition. Hmm, how about the National Center for Biotechnology Information:

    Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not.

    …nope. How about these guys? “R.C. Lewontin, Alexander Agassiz Professor Emeritus of Zoology at Harvard University, has written a number of books and articles on evolution and human variation, including Biology as Ideology: The Doctrine of DNA and The Triple Helix: Gene, Organism, and Environment.” You know, scientists:

    Over the last thirty five years a major change has taken place in our biological understanding of the concept of human “race,” largely as a consequence of an immense increase in our knowledge of human genetics. As a biological rather than a social construct, “race” has ceased to be seen as a fundamental reality characterizing the human species.

    …nope.

    Well, maybe A.R. can help you Milhouse, bet he has awesome sources.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  378. Oh, and Pons, Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source for assessing the character of a person on the political right. Just because WP calls Spencer a racist doesn’t mean he is one.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/14/2016 @ 11:05 pm

    Yes, true.

    Most of the readers here are intelligent enough to make their own decisions, follow citations, or conduct their own research, if so inclined.

    I am confident in what I found and that it is properly sourced; Mr. Spencer is a racist. If you disagree, then cite your sources.

    Here are some more for you:

    http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/11/26/richard-spencer/
    He is articulate, impeccably attired and he smiles easily.

    He’s also at the fore of a movement to establish a white homeland in North America, an effort he believes would improve the genetic quality of the human population, which he says is being diminished by the rise of minority births in the United States.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/american-racist-richard-spencer-gets-to-play-the-martyr-in-hungary.html
    To give you a taste of what they might have talked about, Richard Spencer, NPI president and a former writer for The American Conservative, advocates “a White Ethno-State on the American continent.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/us/white-supremacists-extend-their-reach-through-websites.html
    Mr. Spencer, who runs the National Policy Institute, said in an interview that he fantasized about an Aryan revival in the style of the Roman Empire. Others have proposed a white enclave in the Pacific Northwest, or “little Europe” towns across America.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  379. Milhouse you have some interesting similarities with A.R (my emphasis):

    That may have formed part of the Declaration of Independence, the French Revolution, and the Soviet Revolution, but it’s also silly talk.

    A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 1:48 pm

    By the way, the crown is the government, not the king. But yes, the declaration did blame the king for lots of things. Dishonestly. Much of the declaration was a load of cr*p. It’s propaganda, not philosophy.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/3/2016 @ 4:31 pm

    That both of you do not think much of the Declaration of Independence makes quite a bit of sense, given your world views and stated philosophies. Logically, to maintain your belief systems, you both must reject the Declaration (albeit, you and him have divergent conclusions.)

    It also means neither one of you “geniuses” needs to be taken seriously.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  380. A.R.
    You are one pompous azz.

    mg (31009b)

  381. What is it with you and Milhouse, lol:

    “It’s an absurd concept.” — A.R.
    “That’s absurd.” — Milhouse

    Okay. I’m going out of order a bit.

    Nature does diversity.

    A.R. (f24dcf) — 3/15/2016 @ 12:53 am

    Depends– does an atom of C look different that an atom of C? Are they different? What if one is part of a hydrocarbon chain of gasoline and one is part of a diamond lattice? Both created equally (in the heart of a super nova), both different: gasoline/diamond.

    No one is created equal. It’s an absurd concept. It’s basically also the principle behind communism.

    Communism confuses equality with equal, as do you. Read:

    *created equal
    *created with equality

    The latter statement is patently false, which we can both agree.

    We are all created as human beings, and have equal Rights; thinks like speech, worship, weapons, etc. That does not mean we are entitled to wealth, education, opportunities, food, water, medicine, etc. Those things need to be earned or given.

    The law is not suppose to be about fairness, but justice in a superior nation.

    (Notice how skin color, or whatever construct one might use to create race never even came up.)

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  382. P.S. You realize our ancestors interbred with different Hominid subspecies, but not all races interbred with the same subspecies? That also adds to the diversity we have, over and above being geographically separated for tens of thousands of years in very different parts of the globe. Anyway, I imagine this is falling on deaf ears. That doesn’t make you right.

    A.R. (f24dcf) — 3/15/2016 @ 1:06 am

    Hahaha, you do realize that homo sapiens sapiens is our (sub) species right? Within our species the scientific concept of race has no meaning, according to the numerous scientific sources I linked.

    Feel free to ignore or argue against them, lol.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  383. A.R.
    You are one pompous azz.

    mg (31009b) — 3/15/2016 @ 1:32 am

    Par for the course mg, lol.

    The problem with “geniuses” is that they know things.

    G’night all–

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  384. Cruz, speaking to reporters on Monday, reiterated that he would support Trump in the general election, though he qualified it by saying, “I can give you one example where I would no longer support Donald Trump. If for example, he were to go out on 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, I would not be willing to support Donald Trump.”
    I agree.

    mg (31009b)

  385. Frankly, our subspecies’ name is inapt.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/chicago-cop-blog-says-that-protests-at-weekend-trump-rally-far-worse-than-reported/

    All individuals maintain a network belief system. Each is tied to others on which a position depends.

    Evident herein, we as a species, do not renormalize our network as elements of belief go out-of-date or are falsified. We just proceed on our merry way, phuckwits.

    Sadly this forum represents, perhaps a statistically insignificant sample, our best. Woe to the Earth.

    DNF (755a85)

  386. The Chicago police are far worse than reported too.

    nk (dbc370)

  387. These two took their stand much like Cruz did here in this video. Cruz does not bend or fall and neither will America when he is president

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ZVihACwQ0

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  388. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74WUvZHo8s

    another oldie but goodie

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  389. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzb9Hs2SmfQ

    bully’s are rampant in DC

    jrt for Cruz (bc7456)

  390. Time for the White Working Class to bully their way to freedom and a effing pay raise.

    mg (31009b)

  391. 333 JD

    I just think that religious voters, in general, are willing to call it a wash between Cruz and Trump’s family lives.

    Some are going to forgive Trump’s divorces, and some are going to be fine with Heidi Cruz working and hiring a nanny when they might have the means for her to raise her own children.

    Some are going to judge the other way.

    But if the economy is in the tank and illegals are streaming across the border that limits people’s options no matter who they worship.

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  392. 340 nk

    I don’t care if your mother was a hampster and your father smelled of elderberries. Raising the next generation is the most “vital to the national interest” job there is.

    Not that congrats to your moms and babies mama isn’t due.

    Thank God your moms wasn’t a Branch Davidian.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  393. and some are going to be fine with Heidi Cruz working and hiring a nanny when they might have the means for her to raise her own children

    Anybody who has a problem with Mrs. Cruz working is too stupid to find his way to the polling place.

    nk (dbc370)

  394. I don’t doubt there have near five hundred shootings this year, and it doesn’t matter apparently.

    narciso (732bc0)

  395. You know I didn’t think this discussion could become more inane, but I underestimated the ability of the forum to do so.

    narciso (732bc0)

  396. It’s nice to raise kids but it’s also nice to make a better world for them to live in. Their personal world and the world in general. You can look up the meaning of proletarian, but if you’ll take my word for it I can tell you that it means somebody who only produces children.

    nk (dbc370)

  397. Comment 485. Time for Godwin. The Nazis believed in that s***. Women would get medals for producing children for the Reich. They even had brood programs where women would be confined and their job was to be baby machines.

    nk (dbc370)

  398. A.R. is f*ing schooling you guys.

    Didactic lesson for the unexamined even if he does so to simply troll u.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  399. Email tracks are curious, e.g. the whole chapo/del Castillo matter. Any review of ones between tetris and fields.

    narciso (732bc0)

  400. #478 pinandpuller,

    Are there really evangeligals out there who are angry at Heidi Cruz for working successfully at Goldman Sachs? What about the fact that she reportedly wears shoes in the home?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  401. #448 Aphrael — “At least *some* of his supporters believe it’s reasonable to divide Americans up into good and bad and threaten to treat the ‘bad’ Americans as *targets*. Yay?”

    Democrats and the Left have been doing this since Woodrow Wilson. Please stop the sanctimony.

    A Civil Right Acts in 1964 that lays the framework for reverse discrimination and allows for violations of the right to freely associate. Abortion. Not by vote but by diktat. Men can be women and flash my daughters in bathrooms.

    Please. I could go on. Blame the offending party — the Left. Not the response.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  402. No of course, but then we knew okeefe was guilty in new orleans, so the Dubai voyager insisted.

    narciso (732bc0)

  403. Milhouse will appear nightly. Don’t forget to tip your waitress.

    Colonel Haiku (eff58e)

  404. “It’s hard *not* to look at the movement supporting Mr. Trump and see really terrible things.”

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/14/2016 @ 2:21 pm

    aphrael… Interested in knowing what your take is on the criminality, illegal use of cabinet position for personal enrichment, etc. of Hillary Clinton and the outdated tribalism, victimhood, envy, class warfare strategy employed by Sanders. Are you okay with all of that? Only some of that?

    Colonel Haiku (eff58e)

  405. Trump’s losers. Scared of Mexicans, scared of Muslims, scared of women too. Need a sugar-daddy in the White House to take care of them.

    nk (dbc370)

  406. I gotta say the first look at GenFkd in the workplace is pretty pathetic. The girls are often the way girls always are, positive, possessing initiative, personable buy these young men are warm puke.

    I blame Ritalin and the Public Abuse of Children system.

    DNF (ffe548)

  407. They are going for huxley’s vision, but the formula went awry.

    narciso (732bc0)

  408. So you’re saying after taking in between 20 and 40 million Mexicans since 1980 if we believe we should stop for a while we’re “scared of Mexicans”? After 40 million it’s a little late to be scared, isn’t it?

    You’re also saying that knowing full well the “religion of peace” is no such thing but rather preaches and teaches the killing of Americans however, using the good sense God gave us not to move these barbarians next to our families means we’re also “scared” of them? So you somehow believe bringing over the very people who destroyed their own countries to our country is smart? You think that people who murder non-moslems and rape women are a good fit with American values? I think you’re wrong.

    And knowing full well that all those Mexicans have not assimilated and all those moslems will never assimilate you stubbornly cling to the idea that bringing more in is smart? You sound like a raving idiot.

    From yesterday’s Washington Examiner:

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has revealed that 124 illegal immigrant criminals released from jail by the Obama administration since 2010 have been subsequently charged with murder.

    Perhaps, like the proverbial liberal being mugged and turned into a conservative, you need to have someone you know murdered or raped by these people before you understand what you’re saying.

    And a sugar-day by definition promises to get you “things” and that moniker fits both Hillary! and that commie Sander’s better than anybody. From “free” health care to “free” college they are the lying sugar-daddies.

    Now go get your shoeshine box.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  409. Pons, you can cite all the political gobbledegook you like; the fact that you put what you read there over the evidence of your own senses tells me a lot about you. As I said, ask any doctor whether race exists. Every doctor knows that how you treat a patient depends on their race. Which doesn’t exist, of course, but nevertheless affects their health. Puzzle me that. It is perfectly obvious to all that race exists and is a useful concept; it’s less obvious but equally true that its use is limited. Racism basically consists of applying it beyond those limits. In a way it’s just an instance of the general problem of the misuse of statistics.

    Of course, technically centrifugal force doesn’t exist, and yet it can be felt. For that matter a flame is a process, not an object, it has no substance, but only a fool denies that it’s there.

    A.R. the statement in the declaration of independence that all men are created equal doesn’t mean they’re exactly alike, it means they’re equal in value. Equal before God and before the law. $1000 worth of gold and $1000 worth of diamond don’t look at all alike, but they are equal in value, and stealing each is exactly the same crime. The declaration says that a tall handsome white athlete with an IQ of 180 has the same value as an short ugly black cripple with an IQ of 70, that they’re both entitled to the same dignity, the same rights, the same respect, and the law must treat them exactly the same. Their differences are real, but not relevant.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  410. 488 Cruz Supporter

    I know how my musings must look but I was steeped in a lot of different religious experiences growing up.

    Confirmed a Luthran then switched to an evangelical sect. All while going to a private school affiliated with Bob Jones University.

    Since everyone is sharing, my paternal grandma raised six kids on a ranch and used to yank sheep testicals out with her teeth(look it up). So yay women.

    I’m not trying to knock women here but I did just come up with another question: if Ted Cruz is elected president Heidi Cruz will have to put her career on hold for eight years. Does that mean its more important for Ted to be president than her to be an investment banker? Does that mean being an investment banker is more important than being a stay at home mom for eight years?

    They can do what they want. If the Lord says,”you’ve done well, good and faithfull investment banker” then good on them. I guess they can lay their Goldman Sachs reserved parking placards at His feet.

    Frankly I’m mocking them more in the universe of their worldview than in my own

    Since HC doesn’t have hair down to her waist and wear denim skirts I think we can be safe in assuming that the Cruz’s are cultural Christians who haven’t got the whole gospel of drinking poison and handling serpents.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  411. Some are going to forgive Trump’s divorces,

    It’s not his divorces that need forgiving, but the adultery that preceded them. Nobody held Reagan’s divorce against him, because he did nothing wrong.

    and some are going to be fine with Heidi Cruz working and hiring a nanny when they might have the means for her to raise her own children.

    I have never come across a conservative who claimed that women must give up a career and stay home with the kids, if that’s not what they want to do. Yes, it’s good for the kids, but only if the woman wants to do it and doesn’t resent it.

    Nobody wants to go back to when it was practically mandatory, and anyone who didn’t do it was looked down on; but at the same time the feminist reaction to that time was to reverse things and make leaving mandatory and staying home looked down on, which is just as bad. Both options involve sacrifice, each couple must decide for themselves which sacrifices to make, and their decision, whatever it is, needs to be respected equally.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  412. At least *some* of his supporters believe it’s reasonable to divide Americans up into good and bad and threaten to treat the ‘bad’ Americans as *targets*. Yay?

    Yay, aphrael. Just as Obama has divided Americans by saying things like: “you didn’t build that” and calling people “bitter clingers to their guns and bibles” or targeting certain jobs, businesses or groups for punishment by the IRS, NSA and others Trump seems to be a divider. Right now he doesn’t have the power to execute that ability so let’s keep it that way.

    But the “dividing” of Americans into groups and “targeting” them is right out of Alinsky and has been hone to an art by the left in America. It is the left who turns poor against rich, black against whit, straight against gay, along with their constant pitting of one group against another they also use government power to punish and prosecute their foes and reward their followers.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  413. Hey, pinandpuller, I’ve got shocking news for you — the Cruzes use birth control too. Cruz even jokes about it. Yes, I know, have a cup of tea and a lie down.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  414. You know who thought you should nurture “kids” in “gardens” like lettuce while parents were off pursuing das kapital?

    Proto-Nazis.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  415. There’s a big difference between a secure border and a secure country and a soiled Depends, Hoagie. Now go take your Valium.

    nk (dbc370)

  416. If you take out the white trash on welfare, “disability”, and “compensation”; the frumpy hausfraus fantasizing they’re Melania; and the skinheads, Trump could hold his rallies in a closet, I think.

    nk (dbc370)

  417. I get it, but even then it’s dubious in the extreme.
    A.R. (877e03) — 3/15/2016 @ 8:56 am

    Thank you for that, it clarifies how to think about you.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (8a8630)

  418. 504.There’s a big difference between a secure border and a secure country and a soiled Depends, Hoagie. Now go take your Valium.

    We can’t have the latter without the former, nk. And what does a soiled Depends have to do with either? Or was that just something stupid thrown in?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  419. A.R. (688974) — 3/14/2016 @ 1:48 pm

    Trump recognizes this because, unlike most people, he’s quite well versed in classic history and not indoctrinated into the flat-out impossibility of egalitarianism. That may have formed part of the Declaration of Independence, the French Revolution, and the Soviet Revolution, but it’s also silly talk. Evolution happened, and happens.

    That was the argument of the defenders of slavery, also. They really likd Darwin’s “Origins of Species”

    That brought about the Civil War, World War I (because religious beliefs no longer mattered, so war was not bad – at least in Germany – Communism (because of tha atheism it promoted) and fascism and Nazism and genocide.

    Equality of rights is not silly talk – it is self evident, according to the Enlightenment, and taught by all religions. (with some exceptions for rotten culture. But all men do not have any fundamental differences.)

    Sammy Finkelman (344836)

  420. It means that I like Cruz’s way of securing our borders and our country and the way he’s getting the people’s support for his plan; and that I detest the way Trump is preying on people’s fears and prejudices.

    nk (dbc370)

  421. I agree with what you say about Cruz. I took this from his site.

    •Border security is national security. We need to secure the border once and for all. We need to stop Obama’s amnesty and enforce the rule of law. And we need to reform legal immigration to protect American workers.
    •It’s not that we don’t know how to solve illegal immigration. What is missing is the political will to get it done. As President, Ted Cruz will do what he says. He will stop illegal immigration. He will build a wall that works, triple border security, and put in place the surveillance and biometric tracking to secure the border.
    •Ted Cruz will end Obama’s amnesty on day one, will end catch-and-release, increase deportations, stop sanctuary policies, and strengthen E-verify.
    •In order to protect our national security and serve American workers, he will suspend and audit H-1B visas and halt any increase in legal immigration so long as American unemployment remains unacceptably high.
    •Cruz led the fight in Congress to defeat the Gang of Eight amnesty bill, he has introduced strong legislation to stop illegal immigration, and he has outlined a detailed immigration plan to protect Americans.

    There’s more @Tedcruz.com

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  422. Pray for Trump to know the two marshmellows out and pray for another debate.

    Alluh Ahkbar

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  423. #497
    Pons, you can cite all the political gobbledegook you like; the fact that you put what you read there over the evidence of your own senses tells me a lot about you. As I said, ask any doctor whether race exists. Every doctor knows that how you treat a patient depends on their race. Which doesn’t exist, of course, but nevertheless affects their health. Puzzle me that. It is perfectly obvious to all that race exists and is a useful concept; it’s less obvious but equally true that its use is limited. Racism basically consists of applying it beyond those limits. In a way it’s just an instance of the general problem of the misuse of statistics.

    Of course, technically centrifugal force doesn’t exist, and yet it can be felt. For that matter a flame is a process, not an object, it has no substance, but only a fool denies that it’s there.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/15/2016 @ 8:11 am

    Mils, Mils, Mils…okay let’s begin…

    Pons, you can cite all the political gobbledegook you like;…

    Hahaha, you didn’t read them did you, lol:

    * The online Medical Dictionary
    * National Center for Biotechnology Information
    * R.C. Lewontin, Alexander Agassiz Professor Emeritus of Zoology at Harvard University
    * and, just because you love it so, Wikipedia (which might be tough because of all those pesky citations)

    Don’t hate me because I source, hahaha…for reals Mils (hey, that rhymes), make friends with sourcing, not enemies.

    Many questions about race have been asked by scientists over the generations. It is not until recently, with the advent of genetic mapping, that scientists could actually try to determine what race is in a fundamental way. Several studies done with different approaches have all yielded similar results. Comparing the genetic variations of races in other species and then looking for similar variation in the human race ended up with ZERO meaningful results by any standard criteria used with other species. By any reasonable biological measure, we modern day humans do not have multiple races.

    The neat thing about science is that its results must be reproducible regardless of the politics of the scientist. Those results must then be published in peer reviewed magazines. When independent studies conducted by different scientists, sometimes using different methods or approaches, get similar results — well, it becomes a strong theory.

    Now c’mon Mils, we have more work to do…

    Every doctor knows that how you treat a patient depends on their race. Which doesn’t exist, of course, but nevertheless affects their health. Puzzle me that.

    Yeah, Milhouse, you really should read the citations, lol. It turns out family history is a much more reliable indicator when it comes to screening for certain diseases; ancestry is what matters, because the genes that makes one prone to specific diseases are — wait for it — inherited.

    Now a doctor might use race, as it is socially constructed, as a convenient shortcut to guess at your family ancestry, but by no meaningful definition do such genes make you a different race, which if you bothered to read any of the scientific sources, you would not be so puzzled.

    For example (yes, I know, you hate scientific sources, but try):

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/traits.html
    People who inherit one sickle cell gene and one normal gene have sickle cell trait (SCT). People with SCT usually do not have any of the symptoms of sickle cell disease (SCD), but they can pass the trait on to their children.

    How Sickle Cell Trait is Inherited

    – If both parents have SCT, there is a 50% (or 1 in 2) chance that any child of theirs also will have SCT…
    – If both parents have SCT, there is a 25% (or 1 in 4) chance that any child of theirs will have SCD…

    Note: nothing about race, just inheritance. If you had SCT, then your family ancestry likely traces to a place where those genes evolved to battle malaria, but that does not make you a different race, biologically.

    Alright Mils, almost done, hang in there…

    …the fact that you put what you read there over the evidence of your own senses tells me a lot about you.

    Haha, I am sure it does, Mils, lol. No doubt it speaks to you, haha. You know things.

    Careful Milhouse, you are not accurate:
    Pons said: “Human races are not real in any scientific sense.”
    Milhouse said: “[race] Which doesn’t exist…”

    I also explicitly said race exists as political and social constructs.

    There is no good evidence of any biological distinctions that would allow for multiple races of modern man, using the exact same criteria as with other species that do have multiple races (lol, see the half dozen or so links.)

    Ay-yi-yi, you’re getting sloppy. C’mon Mils, you’re better than this.

    For that matter a flame is a process, not an object, it has no substance, but only a fool denies that it’s there.

    So…moths beware.

    Good point Milhouse. Good point.

    Alright Milhouse, you made it. Let’s have a beer; I’ll buy.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  424. A.R. the statement in the declaration of independence that all men are created equal doesn’t mean they’re exactly alike, it means they’re equal in value. Equal before God and before the law. $1000 worth of gold and $1000 worth of diamond don’t look at all alike, but they are equal in value, and stealing each is exactly the same crime.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/15/2016 @ 8:11 am

    WTH? Are you messing with me…you are, aren’t you Mils. Nobody could possibly…

    The declaration says that a tall handsome white athlete with an IQ of 180 has the same value as an short ugly black cripple with an IQ of 70, that they’re both entitled to the same dignity, the same rights, the same respect, and the law must treat them exactly the same.

    Stop, lol, no it doesn’t. You’re killing me Smalls. Quote the passage in the Declaration where it says that.

    Their differences are real, but not relevant.

    What?? Hahaha, no, it doesn’t mean that at all.

    Lol, geez Milhouse…well it explains why you think the Declaration is mostly, how’d you put it: “a load of cr*p.” I’d agree with you if that is what the Declaration said.

    Milhouse, I give you credit for trying, but truly you don’t have to try so hard. The Declaration means just what it says.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    We are all created with certain Rights: explicitly listed as, but not limited to, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. We are all equal in that regard, we all have these Rights upon our creation.

    Nothing about value — geez, no quite the opposite. Nothing about height, handsomeness, skin color, health, IQ dignity, respect, or equality before the law.

    Just read what is there. Also there are tons of books and research that discuss the Declaration and its philosophy in great detail.

    http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/
    http://www.heritage.org/initiatives/first-principles/primary-sources/the-declaration-of-independence
    http://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/philosophy-declaration-independence-part-1
    https://home.isi.org/there-political-philosophy-declaration-independence
    http://teachers.henrico.k12.va.us/fairfield/saunders_d/guidednotes/answers/unit3/6bans.pdf

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  425. [My comment is caught in the filter (probably to many links.) Let me try this (apologies if this ends up double posting):]

    A.R. the statement in the declaration of independence that all men are created equal doesn’t mean they’re exactly alike, it means they’re equal in value. Equal before God and before the law. $1000 worth of gold and $1000 worth of diamond don’t look at all alike, but they are equal in value, and stealing each is exactly the same crime.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/15/2016 @ 8:11 am

    WTH? Are you messing with me…you are, aren’t you Mils. Nobody could possibly…

    The declaration says that a tall handsome white athlete with an IQ of 180 has the same value as an short ugly black cripple with an IQ of 70, that they’re both entitled to the same dignity, the same rights, the same respect, and the law must treat them exactly the same.

    Stop, lol, no it doesn’t. You’re killing me Smalls. Quote the passage in the Declaration where it says that.

    Their differences are real, but not relevant.

    What?? Hahaha, no, it doesn’t mean that at all.

    Lol, geez Milhouse…well, at least this explains why you think the Declaration is mostly, how’d you put it: “a load of cr*p.” I’d agree with you if that is what the Declaration said.

    Milhouse, I give you credit for trying, but truly you don’t have to try so hard. The Declaration means just what it says.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    We are all created with certain Rights: explicitly listed as, but not limited to, Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. We are all equal in that regard, we all have these Rights upon our creation.

    Nothing about value — geez, no quite the opposite. Nothing about height, handsomeness, skin color, health, IQ dignity, respect, or equality before the law.

    Just read what is there. Also there are tons of books and research that discuss the Declaration and its philosophy in great detail.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  426. Fox Business has removed Michelle Fields from its lineup on the Cashin In program. Fox doesn’t want Donald Trump to get upset that two women on their programs may not like him.

    DRJ (15874d)


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