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1/8/2014

Chris Christie’s Unforgivable Bridge Closure

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:02 pm

Aides to Chris Christie shut down lanes on a bridge to cause a traffic jam in a town whose mayor endorsed Christie’s opponent.

Say what you like about Ted Kennedy, but the worst thing he ever did with a bridge was drive a woman off one and kill her.

Thanks to Karl on the Twitters.

418 Responses to “Chris Christie’s Unforgivable Bridge Closure”

  1. Read the post aloud in your best Norm MacDonald voice.

    Patterico (c0dc59)

  2. “What I’ve seen today for the first time is unacceptable. I am outraged and deeply chubby…”

    - Gov. Chris Christie

    Colonel Haiku (b14023)

  3. That’s not America.

    That’s not no America I wanna live in no ways.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  4. Obama closed the pullouts to Mt. Rushmore and took the handles off the drinking fountains at the national parks. Is this any different? Still bad!

    AZ Bob (ade845)

  5. You have to say like David Bowie, pikachu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOih0aDdNa4

    narciso (3fec35)

  6. this explains a lot

    but I still don’t get where his obscene compulsion to hump obama’s leg in public comes from exactly

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  7. It was part of the soundtrack of the film about Snowden 1.0. Chris Boyce

    narciso (3fec35)

  8. -Gates’ shocking book exposing Obama and Clinton about the wars where thousands of U.S. military men and women died.

    -IRS targeting political “enemies” with audits

    -Obama Justice department spying on reporters, stealing data and arresting them.

    Federal agents walking guns illegally into Mexico and losing them in murderous Fast and Furious debacle

    Millions of Americans losing health insurance due to Obamacare, and the president’s related lies and malfeasance.

    Benghazi.

    Sure. Lets talk Chris Christie 24/7.

    elissa (c8b349)

  9. he needs to resign elissa

    these jersey trash antics of his are not acceptable

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  10. they grow those squirrels in large pens, elissa, even Chrissie Tiegen has one,

    narciso (3fec35)

  11. EMS response times were delayed by the road closures. One woman later died.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  12. Well, yes, happyfeet. New Jersey is not America. It’s the bad part of Italy. What’s the worst thing about life in New York? The light at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. Hey, DRJ!

    nk (dbc370)

  14. The light at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey AND when you get there turns out someone ate all the cake.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  15. Hi, nk.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  16. He’s the head of the Republican Governor’s Association.

    Is anyone else a little uncomfortable with that?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  17. Get a grip, happy. This is New Jersey! The previous governor stole a billion dollars from clients. By that standard, this is nothing.

    Kevin M (536c5d)

  18. feets is just playin’ wid us, Kevin M. I recognize the signs.

    elissa (c8b349)

  19. Christie’s antics are every bit as potent a symbol of America’s sad precipitous decline into a whorish neo-fascist loser nation as anything food stamp has given us I think Mr. Kevin

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  20. No feedback to the Bowie song, pikachu,

    narciso (3fec35)

  21. no not playing at all elissa

    i’m so sad right now

    for america

    you should see my face you would say hey DRJ have you talked to happyfeet lately?

    And DRJ would say um i haven’t really talked to him but he looks pretty down

    then elissa would be all like yeah well maybe we should cheer him up then

    and then DRJ would defer to elissa and ask what do you suppose we should do?

    and elissa would think on it a sec and venture – well, does he like butter tarts?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  22. sorry Mr. narciso I was too upset to listen i will here in a bit though I promise

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  23. Nope. Nosireebob. You’re not sucking me into your pathetic little drama, feets. DRJ is on her own.

    elissa (c8b349)

  24. clearly it’s a cupcake deficiency elissa,

    as a wag I know, might put it ‘Kim Jong Un, why don’t I get press coverage like this;

    narciso (3fec35)

  25. My feelings about Stay Puft are clear,

    however when Chaitred takes up the banner, that’s dialing up to eleven, feeding the crocodile, only postpones your own place on the plate,

    narciso (3fec35)

  26. i find myself in agreement with Mr. Bowie’s pensive and melancholy ruminations Mr. narcisso

    and I splash some knob creek into a brandy glass instead of a bourbon glass and I sigh

    sha la la la la says Mr. Bowie and I raise my glass to him

    and on and on our doomed little country will work and wait for the light

    and we will go without the meat and we will curse the bread

    and one calm summer night not all that long from now…

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  27. Yes.

    Yes I do like butter tarts thanks for asking.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  28. Nah, it’s going to be ok. We had George Ryan, and for years he pretended to be a Republican, and for years people pretended that they believed it, because he never reached across the table for more than his fair share of the milk and honey, and then he went to jail. Things work out.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. I don’t like or trust Christie. Whatever letter he puts after his name.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. Well that wasn’t illegal, not being a republican

    A jury convicted Ryan in 2006 of racketeering, conspiracy, tax fraud and making false statements to the FBI. Jurors found that Ryan had steered state business to insiders as secretary of state and then as governor for vacations and gifts. He also was accused of stopping an investigation into secretary of state employees accepting bribes for truck driver’s licenses.

    However since Fitz was involved, I’m not altogether convinced,

    narciso (3fec35)

  31. The only thing good about him is that he would kick Hillary Clinton’s butt in a debate.

    AZ Bob (ade845)

  32. Not to say he would beat her.

    AZ Bob (ade845)

  33. When its hot and the dew point breaks into the high 60s I sweat like a pig and the air quality rapidly diminishes.

    So I can’t really hold that against the Fat Man.

    But I do take exception to his whoring around.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  34. “I do not believe for a minute that Chris Christie knew about this, and if he had known about it, he would have stopped it,” said Fred Malek, a top GOP fundraiser who works with Christie on the Republican Governors Association.

    Fred please to stop pulling my dick.

    For Christ’s sake Fred do you have any idea what kind of momo you sound like? I have no idea who the hell you are. Maybe you’re a product of the Jersey school system or something but I bet you don’t even have that excuse. You’re just one of those incredibly unself-aware momo children, aren’t you, Fred?

    It’s ok buddy admitting you have a problem is the first step.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  35. In other news its minus 17 degrees outside.

    I’m really very tired of this. So tired.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  36. Closing a bridge is really evil. Much worse than siccing the IRS on political opponents!

    David (666954)

  37. the actions of both of these whores signify a naked and unalloyed contempt for the oath they took when they assumed their respective offices Mr. David

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  38. It’s the pettiness, David. Small people should not be permitted to tell other people what to do. They should just say “supersize it” and go to a corner and wolf it down constantly looking over their shoulder to makes sure nobody is sneaking up to steal one of their fries.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. The libs want to take out christie because they think he can win. I want them to take him out so the repubs get a candidate I can vote for.

    If christie were the repub nominee for President I would stay home on election day.

    Jim (145e10)

  40. Times are getting really grim for a lot of Amerikkka these days.

    Out here in flyover country, one thing we can agree on is we value integrity. We may not be much but you can trust us with your back turned.

    Mr. Ryan, Mr. Rubio, Mr. Christie, you boys don’t pass muster. Fall out.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  41. He’s the head of the Republican Governor’s Association.

    Is anyone else a little uncomfortable with that?

    If I had to guess, I’d say that only a Republican who’s also a conservative would feel that way. The number of those are probably falling these days…

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (9a01e5)

  42. It’s the pettiness, David.

    Exactly. It’s the sort of thing we expect from 0bama. In fact it’s remarkably reminiscent of 0bama. And that’s the problem.

    Milhouse (b95258)

  43. 39 – Team republicans roster for presidential nominees are sickening. I plan on staying home and increase my bullet supply.
    I’d vote for Ted, not the stoned teddy bear.

    mg (31009b)

  44. http://sugarbabiescupcakery.com/

    Feets, heal thyself with a quick trip just to the west of your stomping grounds.

    if you’re lucky, they may even have the bacon ones available!

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  45. If christie were the repub nominee for President I would stay home on election day.

    i won’t stay home, but i won’t be voting for the Jersey Blob, even with a gun to my head.

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  46. The CBS Evening News made this their lead story tonight, putting it even ahead of the weather!?

    I would have thought this was not a national story.

    And the spin, that this was about Governor Chris Chrisie’s re-election campaign, is ridiculous.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  47. Here’s one for the Post Office cork board:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-08/navy-screws-sends-reporter-details-avoiding-his-foia-request

    Missing–and what this boy would look like if he’d been a man.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  48. . “I do not believe for a minute that Chris Christie knew about this,” said Fred Malek…

    Me, too. The stated motive makes no sense, either.

    But Christie does have a problem in that when this was first brought to his attention, he believed the ridiculous, and completely unsupported cover story for the bridge closing, or believed it was something legitimate without knowing anyy details.

    This does not show good judgement.

    In this incident, he’s a little like Ed Koch. Ed Koch didn’t support what happened in New York’s Parking Violations Bureau.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  49. Now the Governor of Newe Jersey says:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/08/us-usa-newjersey-bridge-idUSBREA0710H20140108

    “What I’ve seen today for the first time is unacceptable. I am outraged and deeply saddened to learn that not only was I misled by a member of my staff, but this completely inappropriate and unsanctioned conduct was made without my knowledge,”

    Let’s hope he, or someone else, gets to the bottom of this, or the Democrats will claim this was done for his personal political advantage.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  50. i never been there thank you Mr. red

    i checked it out on streetview it’s easy to miss looks like

    I’ll do that for the next office thing I have to do

    somehow I ended up the birthday guy and usually I just get a cake from Gelson’s but next time I’ll hit these guys up for sure

    the breakfast at tiffany’s ones look fun but even the more familiar ones look like they’re very well executed

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  51. Once more with feeling:

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/08/Gallup-Record-Number-of-Americans-Political-Independents

    GOP, you just keep looking at the generic Republican poll advantage and blow your wad on the primaries.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  52. gary – I used to take pride in voting, now only when my wife and I go out to eat is my vote worth anything.
    I want to try the burrito box kiosk in the mobile station on Santa monica blvd.

    mg (31009b)

  53. 50. ” these guys ”

    We don’t have cupcakes like them behind our counters.

    gary gulrud (ef5550)

  54. 52. I don’t expect our states to start the grass fires but they will start.

    Even in MN, the Nor’Easterner took only two counties in the 2012 caucus. Some are in for an unwelcome surprise this November.

    gary gulrud (ef5550)

  55. Comment by Milhouse (b95258) — 1/8/2014 @ 10:10 pm

    It’s the sort of thing we expect from 0bama. In fact it’s remarkably reminiscent of 0bama. And that’s the problem.

    In fact, didn’t Obama do almost exactly the sme thing, about one month later, when he closed the World War II memorial, the Grand Canyon, the Statue of Liberty, Valley Forge, and even Mount Rushmore, or he tried the latter, except that he had a somewhat better cover story, which was however, not true, and when the Republicans in the House passed a bill ending these closures, The entire Democratic Party establshment, or Harry Reid anyway, refused to consider it, and Obama said he would veto it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/obama-veto-house-republicans_n_4025902.html

    There it is, black and white, no room for doubt, in the Puffington Host.

    And the only thing you can say maybe is that Obama didn’t stop people from getting to work, except that he did, a little.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  56. Don’t often agree with Happy Feet–But in this case, I do agree that Christie should be toast.

    See it all the time (especially with Obama)–Crap rolls down hill based on what the head on who the head of the organization hires and what they allow. Obama never had to tell the underlings what to do–They are birds of a feather and know what is required (to persecute non-D’s).

    If Christie fires everyone connected (out to the bridge authority) to this and sets the State’s AG on their behinds (felonies with multi-year prison sentences)–Maybe, I will believe that Christie had nothing to do with it.

    In any case, Christie would be my last choice (over any “D” out there at this point).

    BfC (a1cf00)

  57. Team republican wants christie cream to be the only choice.

    mg (31009b)

  58. Obama likes that ‘I never knew’ defense too.

    I wonder what Christie won’t know about until it’s too late if he is given more responsibility?

    Regardless of who knew, this is disgusting behavior that reminds me of the kind of people running both political parties. A bunch of petty children who do not realize the real world is a real world, and things like traffic jams affect real people they are supposedly the servants of. In today’s world it is the public that serves the public servants, at least in that attitudes of so so many politicians and their senior staff.

    Ultimately we are responsible for tolerating this.

    Dustin (303dca)

  59. I suppose Christie basically endorsed Obama in the last election, so I suppose Christie following Obama’s style is not a surprise.

    Dustin (303dca)

  60. The grass root conservatives, also known as proud tea baggers, need to keep exposing team republicans nominees as unelectable. The conservative media have to step it up and expose fox as nothing more than airwaves for the progressive republicans. Christie cream is just the first twit they are trying to shove down my throat.

    mg (31009b)

  61. Gosh, with MSM protecting the Left 24/7/365, what do you think Ronald Reagan in his political prime woud tell you?

    Oh, right. He was a momo, too.

    A lot of you folks really like helping Democrats. It’s your go-to position.

    And they are laughing and laughing.

    Yeah, I’m the one with the problem. But at least when I complain about the Leftist government, I didn’t help put them there. Repeatedly.

    Simon Jester (255408)

  62. We’re looking at the dial to eleven quality, Simon,
    anything to drive Gate’s mea culpa off the page, maybe he will learn that they didn’t favor him over Lonergan, for his ebullient manner, but probably not.

    narciso (3fec35)

  63. 62. Honest Mr. Jester, we Baggers know well the bitterness and frustration you are feeling.

    No way its arrogance or over-confidence or delusions of conquest when we say, once again, ‘We got this’.

    You would only be an impediment. See to your cares.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  64. gg-your posting in curliques and ambiguities and constant doom and veiled threats–with nary a solution or amelioration to offer in counterbalance has become the norm of late. I say this as a one time appreciator of your intellect and language innovation.

    elissa (c8b349)

  65. None of us should be fighting over Christie. For one thing, we can’t reach around him (to get at each other).

    nk (dbc370)

  66. When the establishment commits 50 million, to metaphorical 50 cals on the tea party, yes it’s hard not to be jaundiced,

    narciso (3fec35)

  67. 57. Comment by BfC (a1cf00) — 1/8/2014 @ 11:34 pm

    Crap rolls down hill based on what the head on who the head of the organization hires and what they allow.

    that is what Michsel Dukakis said in 1988,

    A fish rots from the head

    and I don’t believe that’s true.

    Do you believe what Dukakis had to say about Ronald Reagan?

    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/31/us/dukakis-focuses-on-reagan-ethics.html

    Sometimes – more often than not – it is not true, although it sometimes is true also.

    If that were true, Ed Koch would have been responsible for the Parking Violations Bureau scandal and other things. If that were true, every bit of corruption in any state could be traced to the Governor.

    I don’t think things work that way.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  68. Henry II never expressly ordered his Barons to “rid me of the meddlesome priest” (Becket) either, Sammy.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. happyfeet,

    I didn’t think you were joking around. I think you are understandably sad and disappointed. So am I.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  70. I’m not kidding even a little

    we can’t countenance this sort of arrogance and pettiness

    yes food stamp has set the tone for this and done far far worse

    but Team R has to stand for a better way, and I think all of us except *maybe* Fred Malek understand this

    all eyes should be on the RGA today not some stupid press conference

    if Christie’s Jersey trash antics are what the Team R establishment stands for then let’s just skip straight to the part where we all wear swastika armbands

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  71. Obama never had to tell the underlings what to do–They are birds of a feather and know what is required (to persecute non-D’s).

    I actually don’t think Obama had that much to do with the IRS scandal. It didn’t make too much sense for him.

    If Christie fires everyone connected (out to the bridge authority) to this

    Oh, his deputy chief of staff was involved.

    It was Bridget Anne Kelly who, on August 13, 2013, who sent an e-mail to the Port Authority Director of Interstate Capital Projects, that said in part:

    Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee

    And Wildstein replied:

    Got It

    She was still on the job as of yesterday morning.

    Now some very important points here:

    1) This quote is taken out of context, and we have no context for it. It was apparently released by New Jersey Democrats in the state legislature, who had subpoenaesd them, and they redacted lots of stuff.

    I have not seen any context quoted for this, not the sentence before, and not the sentence afterward, and not anything else she sent that day.

    2) What that means is that we don’t know what triggered it and it might have nothing to do with the mayor of Fort Lee, and nothing to do with Chris Christie’s re-election campaign.

    3) I read in Gail Collins’ column in the New York imes today that the majority leader of the New Jersey state Senate is also from Fort Lee, New Jersey, and Christie has been at odds with her for some time.

    Her name is Loretta Weinberg, and she is 78 years old.

    4) When Bridget Anne Kelly says “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee” this clearly indicates this has been discussed before, and David Wildstein’s reply indicates he understands the coded message.

    Because it is only a hint – they knew the e-mail could be seen by others one day.

    5) When Bridget Anne Kelly says “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee” that indicates something that happened around then triggered it.
    Itis probably mentioned in that e-mail, the rest of which has not released it looks like. I hope Christie releases it.

    Like I said, it is probably a bill in he state legislature that somebody wanted passed that triggered this – somebody who cared a lot more about it than Chris Christie. Or it could be the trigger was a nomination that Christie was persuaded to make that wasn’t going through.

    6) Deduction number 3 from that e-mail: When Bridget Anne Kelly says “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee” it is not designed to do great harm, but only to show their power. That’s why it is so trivial and petty looking.

    They may have been other threats made, some of which they may have had no power to do. And they wanted to show their power.

    David Wildstein, also by the way, probably lied (to other conspirators) about Port Authority Chairman David Samson being on their side (he wrote he was going to retaliate against New York for stopping the lane closure)

    Samson is quite upset and distressed about having been named this way.

    and sets the State’s AG on their behinds (felonies with multi-year prison sentences)–Maybe, I will believe that Christie had nothing to do with it.

    There may be multiple felonies involved, because this might not be an isolated thing, and might involve bribery.

    And when somebody is bribed, really, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to bribe some underling, rather than the Governor.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  72. A quality person like Sarah Palin wouldn’t create no traffic jams.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  73. 71. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:02 am

    Henry II never expressly ordered his Barons to “rid me of the meddlesome priest” (Becket) either, Sammy.

    Henry was probably lying about how it hapepned, and if did indeed happen that way, then actually he may not have expected it.

    This was done by people who wanted to show their power precisely because they didn’t have power, and didn’t have the backing of the Governor.

    This was probably just about the worst they could do, but they probably threatened much more.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  74. And the Democrats in the New Jersey state legislature, for some reason, are hiding what this was really about.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  75. if Sarah Palin is the price we have to pay to re-establish a minimum code of acceptable behavior then let’s get to paying it

    oh wait she has no interest in actually executing the duties of an actual for reals office

    but maybe her outdoor lifestyle cable digest will serve as an important fulcrum for to um

    I got nothing

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  76. it’s a lot easier and cheaper to bribe some underling, rather than the Governor

    Yes, Sammy, George Ryan never sold a single driver’s license. But the money his patronage workers collected went into his campaign chest. Puh-lease.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. It could also be something Loretta Weinberg wanted investigated.

    And Christie being at much at odds with her as he was could be in part a result of his aides manipulating him.

    What was going on with her around August 13, 2013?

    http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/13/08/12/senate-majority-leader-seeks-doesn-t-receive-answers-on-possible-rutgers-conflict-of-interest/

    New York Times story about it:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/nyregion/rutgers-leader-is-criticized-for-corporate-ties.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/nyregion/christie-condemns-rutgers-coach-but-stands-by-president.html

    But it was a much more circumspect Mr. Christie who had very little to say last week about the uproar over the Rutgers University men’s basketball coach, Mike Rice, and how administrators there had dealt with the coach before a videotape surfaced last Tuesday showing a compilation of his verbal and physical abuse of players…..

    Mr. Christie all but claimed credit for the coach’s ouster, saying that a few hours after learning of the videotape, he called the Rutgers athletic director, Tim Pernetti, and told him, “You need to get rid of this coach and you need to get rid of him right away.” Mr. Rice was fired the next morning.

    Many of Mr. Christie’s followers on YouTube, where his videos have been viewed 7.4 million times, might have expected that the governor would take a similarly unforgiving tack with the Rutgers president, Robert L. Barchi, who has said he did not watch the videotape until last week though he was told of it in November.

    Instead, the governor mildly declared on Monday that Dr. Barchi had his “absolute confidence.”

    ….Mr. Christie is relying on Dr. Barchi to carry out an enormously complicated realignment of Rutgers and two other state-controlled universities, though few people in New Jersey have clamored for it beyond the governor and a powerful political leader who frequently works with him.

    That strategic goal, he acknowledged, could be jeopardized without Dr. Barchi there to see it through.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  78. There were apparently a lot of things that Ryan did that indicated he was involved, including stopping an investigation, and the campaign fund spent money for non-campaign purposes, like givig his daughters money.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan

    And it was on a scale and variety so that it could only take place with his knowledge.

    But it actually much better for someone corrupt to try to work without the Governor. Theres only one Governor, but there may be many potential bribees.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  79. I don’t think anybody bribed President Ronald Reagan in the Savings and Loan scandal in the 1980s.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  80. Well, you’re the one that threw out bribery. And are now saying that you shouldn’t have? Because it would be a baseless smear against Christie? Ok, I agree. Christie was not bribed to close the access lanes to GWB. There’s no reason to think he was. Or that anybody was. Sammy!

    nk (dbc370)

  81. “I don’t think anybody bribed President Ronald Reagan in the Savings and Loan scandal in the 1980s.”

    Sammy – I don’t think anybody has suggest that he was bribed, but thanks for raising the possibility!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. Over and over, Governor Chris Christie says he takes responsibility for the lane closures and then makes the perfunctory show of dismissing two token top staffers to demonstrate his sincerity. But, initially organizing the mechanics of the lane closures themselves and the broad conspiracy behind the subsequent cover-up certainly involved additional members of Christie’s senior staff and officials at the Jersey Ports Authority.

    Christie isn’t being entirely forthright. He may not have been involved in planning the retaliatory outrage (that’s yet to be determined) but he is fully responsible for allowing a toxic culture of retribution to develop among his high level staff. Employees who know the boss will look the other way feel empowered to misbehave, while employees who know they’ll get fired make sure the boss is on-board before they cross important lines.

    Bottom line: Notice that Christie didn’t appoint an independent investigator with subpoena powers and a clear mandate to clean house from top to bottom.

    ropelight (9c3954)

  83. Welcome to the war, Chris, old buddy. Hold on to your hat.

    John McCain (be0117)

  84. 66. I luv you too, ‘lissa.

    The reason neither of us have any practicable suggestions to mitigate our common probs, is they ain’t any.

    We stand divided, at the margins of an insurmountable impasse.

    We await events not of our choosing.

    78. Ditto.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  85. Mr. daley@75– I too notice that Mr. feets has seemingly lost his usually unfailing touch of subtlety in touting this important national issue concerning teamR. We all know how necessary clever subtlety is in properly executing blog instigation. What has happened to happyfeet? He’s all just BOOM!!!!!

    elissa (c8b349)

  86. I keep seeing people refer to criminal investigations and charges? What was criminal about this?

    JD (5c1832)

  87. 74. The visitor log notwithstanding, Dog has no time for meetings between Spades, Sportscenter and the Game of Thrones.

    We’ll grant you that.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  88. 83 Comment by nk (dbc370) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:58 am

    Well, you’re the one that threw out bribery. And are now saying that you shouldn’t have?

    I’m saying an explanation could be that somebody, or a few people, were bribed (probably indirectly) but not Chris Christie.

    Also, the Democrats are misleading people.

    This most likely involves something other than the Governor’s re-election campaign, and they may know what, and the connection to Fort Lee is probably the Majority Lader of the State Senate, and not the mayor of Fort Lee (who may himself have bene led to believe that it was about him)

    One reason for not getting at the truth is that that may open a can of worms.

    Sometimes people on opposite sides of ann issue are both corrupt. I would mean that there could be some (probably disguised) bribery going on on both sides.

    Because it would be a baseless smear against Christie? Ok, I agree. Christie was not bribed to close the access lanes to GWB. There’s no reason to think he was. Or that anybody was. Sammy

    No, the access lanes were closed because the people who did it wanted to show their power to somebody, probably Loretta Weinberg or somebody else who would see the symbolism.

    And they were bluffing, because didn’t really have all that much power. It was selected because that was what they could do. They could turn water into blood, but they couldn’t bring locusts.

    And they were not afraid to start up because there was bribery going on on the other side too, so it would never get exposed for what it was.

    But they forgot that New York State also had a role in he running of the Port Authority, so the “demonstration” was terminated early.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  89. Bribery? WTF ?!

    JD (5c1832)

  90. “I don’t think anybody bribed President Ronald Reagan in the Savings and Loan scandal in the 1980s.”

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:59 am

    Sammy – I don’t think anybody has suggest that he was bribed, but thanks for raising the possibility

    But if he wasn’t, then a fish doesn’t always rot from the head. And the Czar sometimes doesn’t know.

    It was one or more top aides to Reagan who may have been bribed. They kept Ed Gray, the Chairman of the federal Savings and Loan Association from 1983 to 1987, from seeing Ronald Reagan because they convinced him that Donald regan, the White House chief of staff, was an enemy, which he wasn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  91. Mal-, mis-, non-, feasance of duty. These statutes can be pretty broad. As an example, in the wire fraud statute it can be depriving your employer of the fair value of your services, i.e., don’t call in a sick day if you’re not. For real, although it was narrowed on appeal in one of the Chicago cases. Ryan, Blagojevich, Rezko? I can’t tell them apart.

    There is money loss, too, that can be pretty well estimated. GWB is a toll bridge from the Jersey side and the tolls are from $6.00(Green Pass) to $13.00(cash) for cars.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. And I really believe that John McCain had no idea what Charles Keating really was.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  93. #89. JD, Jack McCoy would likely charge depraved indifference.

    ropelight (9c3954)

  94. boom boom boom let’s go back to my room and we can drink a tasty nespresso and talk about America back when it was America

    whores yeah she’s got her whores sometimes it starts to worry me cause lose – i don’t wanna lose sight of who we were

    would you like some sweetener I got pink yellow or blue your pick

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  95. I think Sammy is on to something. Indirectly bribing people several degrees removed from the actual target of a bribe is a brilliant course of action. And random speculation about maybe it potentially could have happened is awesome.

    JD (5c1832)

  96. 85. Comment by ropelight (9c3954) — 1/9/2014 @ 9:00 am

    Over and over, Governor Chris Christie says he takes responsibility for the lane closures and then makes the perfunctory show of dismissing two token top staffers to demonstrate his sincerity. </i.

    No, they resigned in early December, and Christie said he believed them that they didn't do anything wrong.

    Now it has reached a deputy chief of staff and he fired her.

    The light begins to dawn on him.

    But, initially organizing the mechanics of the lane closures themselves and the broad conspiracy behind the subsequent cover-up certainly involved additional members of Christie’s senior staff and officials at the Jersey Ports Authority.

    We know, and Christie says he was lied to.

    Employees who know the boss will look the other way feel empowered to misbehave,

    Or employees who know the boss will believe anything you tell him and not check for himself, and be deeply skeptial of outsiders saying things (possibly because sometimes charges are false)

    while employees who know they’ll get fired make sure the boss is on-board before they cross important lines.

    I don’t think hey did in this case.

    They were just confident that, because of a belief in delegation, and personal friendship he would beleive anythingthey said.

    Look, I don’t believe President Harding was responsible for Teapot Dome (although he did drink, and play poker and have affairs in secret)

    Bottom line: Notice that Christie didn’t appoint an independent investigator with subpoena powers and a clear mandate to clean house from top to bottom.

    Well, he may not trust anybody else to be fair, and not to be politically motivated to go after him.

    And it’s much too early. He just realized yeserday there is a real scandal here.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  97. 98. Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/9/2014 @ 9:21 am

    Indirectly bribing people several degrees removed from the actual target of a bribe is a brilliant course of action.

    It’s more feasible, because Chris Christie wasn’t corrupt, just a little stupid. Its also safer to try.

    And random speculation about maybe it potentially could have happened is awesome.

    Not random.

    There really isn’t any other explanation.

    Now understand, the bribery was not to close the lanes. It was to effect something going on in the state legiuslature, and the lane closure was intended as amessage to somebody.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  98. There really isn’t any other explanation.

    Speechless

    JD (5c1832)

  99. 94. Comment by nk (dbc370) — 1/9/2014 @ 9:15 am

    There is money loss, too, that can be pretty well estimated. GWB is a toll bridge from the Jersey side and the tolls are from $6.00(Green Pass) to $13.00(cash) for cars.

    And New York’s new mayor Bill de Blasio got into the act, saying New York City coud sue for police overtime.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  100. “There really isn’t any other explanation.”

    Comment by JD (5c1832) — 1/9/2014 @ 9:28 am

    Speechless

    Try some other explanation.

    It’s not plausible.

    Meanwhile, I’d be interested to see the entire August 13, 2013 e-mail message.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  101. 67. nk is right. Falstaff is comedic relief, and nothing more.

    ‘To thy own self be true’. Whateevverrr.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  102. The horns of a dilemma:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-09/inflation-vs-deflation-%E2%80%93-ultimate-chartbook-monetary-tectonics

    Something has to give, it just has.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  103. Three long-term Administrators were removed from Rutgers University on false pretences in 2012-2013.

    Why?

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  104. Thinning the herd is a good thing.
    Even Mittens new this maniacal pig was jersey trash.

    mg (31009b)

  105. It took perverse skill to get stagflation, gary, don’t try this at home.

    narciso (3fec35)

  106. There were some other little things that happened over time:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/nyregion/accounts-of-petty-retribution-reinforce-christies-bullying-image.html

    ….a former governor who was stripped of police security at public events; a Rutgers professor who lost state financing for cherished programs; a state senator whose candidate for a judgeship suddenly stalled; another senator who was disinvited from an event with the governor in his own district.

    In almost every case, Mr. Christie waved off any suggestion that he had meted out retribution.

    In the other cases, you could create a legitimate justification. Not for the bridge closings.

    It looks like some of his aides were doing stuff, but probably not telling the Governor why or in fact that it was an attempt to show people who was boss. They would do it because of a secret agenda of their own, which they would pretend was the Governor’s agenda.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  107. 66. “posting in curliques and ambiguities and constant doom and veiled threats”

    In the interest of the common good, I’d point you to jim @ 39 or red @ 44.

    They, at least, have not abandoned your bucket of woe. Will you take the first step and abandon your best guess, your instinct as to whom might be “electable” and just follow their lead?

    Hmmmm.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  108. What do we have here?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/nyregion/in-calm-of-a-nature-reserve-feeling-and-fearing-christies-influence.html

    The South Jersey Gas Company wants to thread a 22-mile-long pipeline through the heart of the Pinelands, a 1.1-million-acre protected expanse of scrub pines, gnarly oaks and yellow-brown river deltas.

    The Pinelands Commission, a state agency, oversees this reserve, which includes a trillion-gallon aquifer that provides freshwater to residents. Board members traditionally have treated proposals to trespass into this reserve with deep skepticism.

    But the Christie administration badly wants this pipeline, and has crafted a highly unusual agreement. The gas company has offered to pay $8 million to the commission. The commission staff members, who are state employees, have blessed the project. And the law firm of the governor’s good friend David Samson — the chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey — is representing the power plant that would receive the gas.

    Also:

    Then there are the three respected prosecutors in Hunterdon County who obtained an indictment of a Republican sheriff and asked questions of a favored Christie fund-raiser. The attorney general’s office — which is controlled by the governor — took over the Hunterdon office, tossed the indictments and fired or forced into retirement the three lawyers.

    One prosecutor, Bennett Barlyn, sued the state, charging political interference. I asked Mr. Christie’s spokesman, Michael Drewniak, about that and he scoffed: “This truly is some of the most wild-eyed conspiracy theories I’ve heard in a long time.”

    Now, really, Christie should have no personal interest in that sheriff, and nether does he need every bit of political support he can get.

    But other people in his administration might care.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  109. I don’t know anymore.
    El Rushbo points out that at least Christie did fire somebody, unlike President Obama for closing down memorials just for spite.
    On the other hand, if he fired someone just to CYA because they got caught, that is not something to applaud.

    feets, Sarah Palin handled her obligations as a school board member, as a mayor, and as a governor (the latter to an approval rating of ~80%) with apparent great energy and success, until she had to devote most of her time to fighting bogus ethics charges and making money to fight bogus ethics charges,
    at least that’s how I understand it.

    I think the American Bar Association, if it wants to help save the nation, needs to suspend people who assist unwarranted SLAPP suits, unwarranted ethics charges, or even training/assisting non-lawyer legal intimidators like the convicted bomber who shall not be named and his ilk.

    I mean there ought to be enough lawyers around with the sense to realize they can’t all be in the reigning oligarchy.
    But I guess too many of us shortsightedly just take while the taking is good.

    C’mon, gary. 17 is just routine winter for ya.
    It’s supposed to get above freezing here today, which hopefully means that the frozen water pipe going to the first floor toilet will melt (hopefully without revealing a leak).

    I’ve said my piece, back to work.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  110. Maybe the Pines Baroness will give us the inside scoop on the pipeline thing.
    Once her computer thaws.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  111. Well doesn’t everybody;

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/08/mark-viverito-got-subsidized-home-although-she-was-about-to-inherit-fortune/

    true, MD, Sarah could have stayed in office, expended the state’s resources on pointless lawsuits, been proscribed from speaking out

    that’s the Kobayashi Maru, scenario

    narciso (3fec35)

  112. Forget the lawyers. All architects, builders, and plumbers, who run water pipes on an outside wall, in places that have winter, should be hunted down and scalped.

    nk (dbc370)

  113. 114. I’m content with that.

    115. Personally, I see no reason, anymore, to wait for another. Netanyahu for Minister War. Cruz for AG. Christopher Scarver for Sec of State.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  114. Uh, do you have a frozen pipe, nk?

    elissa (c8b349)

  115. elissa #88,

    I think people reach the point at different times where political events like this are no longer understandable or acceptable. The event itself doesn’t have to be horrible or unexpected. Maybe it’s just the last straw.

    I reached that point when Boehner declared war on the Tea Party. Maybe happyfeet got there today, at least for now.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  116. Oh, no, elissa, thankfully. Just fearing the last few days, and commiserating with those who do. Like my neighbors.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. To me, the problem with this story is that it shows politicians everywhere operate like the Chicago Way. That shouldn’t surprise any American over 40. There isn’t a state in America that is immune from this, and anyone who has ever heard of Duval County knows my state of Texas is known for it.

    What Christie should say is that this is why government should be limited and why we need to get it out of people’s lives. Texas isn’t known for its brilliant politicians but at least most of them are smart enough to know and say that. Unfortunately, I don’t see many politicians reacting that way. All they care about is showing they were personally blameless and will never let this happen again, but that’s inconsistent with both human nature and politics.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  118. If you like your bridge, you can keep it. Or something.

    Elephant Stone (9d30f3)

  119. DRJ–A lot of people seem gleeful to crucify Gov. Christie. I have not done that. I think if you read this thread carefully you will see that I have not defended or stood up for CC once, either. Mainly that is because I do not know the full story of what occurred, and I also don’t know how he plans to respond. What you will see is my ongoing aggravation at how easily the Dems and media lead us around like little lambs. These New Jersey emails just suddenly came to light, right? Who’s had them and where have they been? Exactly when the Gates book should be rocking and shocking this nation to its core from coast to coast, village to city, and right to left, the media has been given a shiny brite local news story to lead their network newscasts with–three days running–and blogland and cable has been set aflame. As narciso noted, the squirrel card was played–again– and it is working beautifully. For the left, that is.

    elissa (c8b349)

  120. Good stuff, elissa.

    Before the Mark Levin brigades begin to hyperventilate about their least favorite Republican Governor, let’s allow the facts to come out before we start throwing people to the lions.
    There’s nothing the liberal media likes more than to sit back and watch a GOP intramural bloodbath.

    Funny how emails vis a vis Benghazi, Fast & Furious, the IRS, et al, are too difficult to produce, but these New Jersey emails are suddenly produced just as Obama’s former Defense Secretary says that Obama, Biden, and Clinton were unserious about the war.
    The DNC and their sycophants in the media know that the Bob Gates book is damaging to their brand, so now they want to talk about traffic delays and how the improving economy is soooo good that it still requires more unemployment insurance, and more food stamps, and new promise zones to create jobs that Obama has already created during this booming recovery that began five years ago.
    Because it is a good economy but everyone needs welfare because they don’t have a job.
    Or something.

    Look, squirrel !“, indeed.

    Elephant Stone (9d30f3)

  121. chris christie should never have ordered that highway closed he should’ve kept his eye on the ball and walked the high road

    now he has disgraced himself

    There’s nothing more I can do for him.

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  122. It’s been very near beer, that’s why I have mocked the caterwalling, including from the mogwai,

    Re Benghazi, Kirkpatrick will now admit that Abu Khattalah was not the only one that watched the video, that Bin Qumu, and Seif Hassine, might have come over, but that doesn’t mean they were involved with Benghazi, despite the fact that they headed preexisting networks of fighter,

    narciso (3fec35)

  123. I’m wondering why there’s this blanket of coverage by the unaccountable media, when a few short weeks ago when the president’s people where shown to be using the IRS to punish political opposition to the halfwit, if there was any coverage at all it was couched in lame excuses?

    I don’t accept the media’s handpicking Christy to be the next Democrat lite candidate for president. In the mold of McCain and Romney. It’s become a fashion for undeclared democrat operatives in the media to cherrypick the worst republican (with a little r) to be the next loser for the GOP.
    I’m looking for a winner.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  124. elissa – Christie didn’t need the bridge fiasco to ruin his conservative credibility, he favors all kinds of collectivist policies.

    mg (31009b)

  125. mg–my posts and concerns here have not remotely been about Gov. Christie’s conservative credibility so frankly I have no clue why you addressed #128 to me.

    elissa (c8b349)

  126. 129- sorry, won’t happen again.

    mg (31009b)

  127. Mark Levin’s brigades are licking their chops.

    Elephant Stone (9d30f3)

  128. I don’t accept the media’s handpicking Christy to be the next Democrat lite candidate for president. …. It’s become a fashion for undeclared democrat operatives in the media to cherrypick the worst republican (with a little r) to be the next loser for the GOP.

    I agree. That’s probably my biggest objection to Christie. He is being pushed by the nattering nabobs. And they’re not doing it for my benefit, that’s for sure.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. El Rushbo: He is now on WOR. A friend asked me if he is still on vacation. No, he changed stations, after 25 years. Curtis and Kuby are now WABC in that time slot. They’re back. A reunion.

    Kuby says he believes Chris Christie.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  130. Comment by elissa (c8b349) — 1/9/2014 @ 11:22 am

    These New Jersey emails just suddenly came to light, right? Who’s had them and where have they been?

    New Jersey Democrats in the state legislature – I am not clear if it is the State Senate or the House. They had subpoenaed them.

    I think they may released just one sentence from the August 13, 2013 e-mail: “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee.” If there is more no major newspaper source has quoted it. I’d like to know why it was time for traffic problems. It took several more weeks to arrange because this only happened at the start of September when school started.

    My suspicion is that this had nothing to do with the mayor of Ft. Lee, N.J. not endorsing Chris Christie for Governor and the full text of tghe e-mail(s) would reveal that.

    Exactly when the Gates book should be rocking and shocking this nation to its core from coast to coast, village to city, and right to left,

    The Gates book publicity campaign was planned in advance, so people might know when it was coming. Anyone with contacts in the press would. And it was maybe known what the publisher would stress.

    So, that’s possible. Gates is still a story.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  131. I don’t believe that Chris Christie read any one of those e-mails until they were released, and he probably still hasn’t read anything not released.

    He should be able to see the whole thing for himself, no?

    Well, now he’s at least started some sort of an internal investigation.

    But he still seemed to believe this was about the election. I doubt that very much.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  132. Elissa, it’s disturbing how Pavlovian the *right* has become when the media rings it’s accusatory bell. They play is like a fiddle every time and we go on the hot defensive whether or not we know the full story. Who’s your daddy, indeed.

    Why is t the outcry about the president not firing anyone re Benghazi, IRS scandal, etc? The double standard is an accepted part of modern politics. However, regardless of what one thinks of Christie, he’s about the only one I can think of who can take the heat and not be done in by it.

    Dana (76b694)

  133. Dana–Andrew Breitbart tried to alert us to be ever vigilant about this type of media and social manipulation. I miss him.

    elissa (c8b349)

  134. Mark Levin & Co are usually the ones who are always screaming that the “establishment GOP” are too acquiescent to the lamestream media’s wild goose chases and distractions and faulty premises.
    And that’s probably a fair accusation to make about the establishment GOP.

    Yet in this situation, it sounds like there are some people on the right who are a little too eager to jump on Christie before the facts have even come to light.

    To Christie’s credit, he put on his big boy pants and faced the hostile media—something that Obama still hasn’t really done in regards to Benghazi, the IRS, et al.

    Elephant Stone (9d30f3)

  135. Does everyone remember when Obama shut down memorials, national parks, et al, and even closed the parking lot adjacent to Mt Vernon ?
    The lamestream media were for government closures before they were against them. Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (9d30f3)

  136. elissa and Elephant Stone,

    I know you are afraid of people who agree with me and that’s why you react with so much hostility to my comments. I forgive you.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  137. By the way, I’ve never listened to Mark Levin on TV or radio and I’ve never read one of his books. If my views sound like his, I can only assume it’s a coincidence or he’s copying me.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  138. That last bit was a joke, of course,

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  139. Thank you I guess, DRJ @140, for your forgiveness and forbearance. Please believe me when I say that this—whatever it is that you seem to think is going on—is neither to my liking nor is it my intention to exacerbate in any way. I often feel interest and sometimes perhaps surprise, but absolutely no antipathy or hostility either toward you, or your comments.

    Do get back to us, though, about your new besty and political soulmate (happyfeet) the next time there’s a post concerning lifeydoodles and gay marryings. K? He’s amusing but kind of fickle and a teensy bit unpredictable, I think.
    :)

    elissa (c8b349)

  140. elissa,

    Some conservatives think Christie was wrong and should not be defended. Some think he hasn’t done anything wrong, and still others think we need to wait and see. I think there is a basis for people to think any of these things and it’s reasonable for us to discuss the pros and cons of each. Maybe the media is trying to manipulate this topic to help the Democrats, but I don’t think that means it’s unreasonable for some people to decide they don’t like what Christie did or how he handled this. That’s why I object to any suggestion that people who feel that way are gullible pawns of media manipulation.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  141. elissa,

    You know I don’t agree with happyfeet on abortion so I assume you are being sarcastic.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  142. it’s not even remotely possible that chris christie was unaware of what his aides were doing

    these petty juvenile malicious acts redounded to nobody’s benefit but porky boy’s and to the benefit of those with whom porky boy would be pleased

    i can’t believe he’s still the head of the Republican Governor’s Association

    We’ve had Miss Americas what had to surrender their crowns for infractions what were far, far less serious

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  143. these petty juvenile malicious acts redounded to nobody’s benefit but porky boy’s and to the benefit of those with whom porky boy would be pleased

    Even if he got away with it, how was it to his benefit?

    Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 (794c75)

  144. Oh come on Happyfeet, why the president himself isn’t aware of half the scandals taking place right under his nose – so why not Christie?

    Dana (9aa570)

  145. i think porky felt like he was developing a reputation as being someone you should think twice about displeasing, cause there will be consequences for doing so

    now I think porky feels like he has to throw his minions under the bus, and he is very very unhappy because these were minions with whom he was well pleased

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  146. Dana what would the minion have to gain by screwing up the traffic if it wasn’t the pleasure of his or her corpulent lord and master?

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  147. I’m very sympathetic to Megan McArdle’s take on this:


    I’m frankly amazed that this is a scandal. By which I do not mean that I am amazed people find it scandalous; it’s utterly outrageous. I’m just amazed it could have happened. Leave aside the cretinous, bullying, petty nature of the offense, the willingness to hurt thousands of New Jersey residents to take out your childish pique against minor local politicians. Why retaliate against a mayor for an endorsement in a race in which the outcome was never in doubt? And why retaliate so ineptly? As a former lobbyist of my acquaintance pointed out, they could have accomplished exactly the same thing just by commissioning an actual traffic study. The combination of moral turpitude and incompetence is what you expect to find among petty felons, not the governor’s office.

    (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-09/what-chris-christie-needs-to-say-to-save-himself.html)

    This is basically why I ignored the scandal when it first broke, figuring it was nothing more than the slightly insane ravings of a disgruntled north Jersey politician.

    But now that there’s a smoking gun in the form of email from people highly placed in Christie’s administration, it really makes me wonder how widespread this kind of thing has been, and it calls into question (for me) all of his endorsements and history of compromise in New Jersey – how much of that was the result of threatening to use the power of the state to punish the constituents of recalcitrant political opponents?

    aphrael (d09290)

  148. tea-baggers
    tea-bagging
    team-republican
    tealicious

    mg (31009b)

  149. happyfeet, I’m not saying he was ignorant of the situation, what I am saying is, if the excuse is repeatedly good enough for the president, why not Christie? We’ve strayed so far from any sense of political accountability and ownership, that his claims of betrayal and ignorance, seem to be perfectly in line with the most transparent administration ever.

    The combination of moral turpitude and incompetence is what you expect to find among petty felons, not the governor’s office.

    I would ask Ms. McCardle, how is this screw-up any more like petty felons than our president’s screw-ups? And by default of his position, his are far worse.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  150. The double standards are what really stick in my craw. The MFM should burst into flames.

    JD (5c1832)

  151. McCardle and company should be using their platforms to hammer home the double standard and repeatedly bring up Benghazi, IRS, etc., etc. Hitting Christie for this is a waste. This is an open opportunity to hit the President for the shameless scandals and claims of ignorance. It disappoints me that the right and middle of the road journos can’t see this.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  152. There is a double standard, Dana. That’s an unfortunate fact but it’s still a fact.

    However, if Republicans want to win elections they need to show they are a better choice than Democrats. That means they need to actually be better at something other than corruption, pettiness, and ineptness.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  153. this is not how we do things, as Americans

    we don’t roll how Chris Christie rolls

    we don’t roll how food stamp does them neither

    I remember

    i bet you remember too

    but once these things are forgotten they’re goned away like oldsmobiles and effective antibiotics

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  154. Heh. DRJ and elissa, love the mean girls passive aggressive motif. I’m out of practice but am sure it will come back as second nature. Chicks are naturally gifted that way.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  155. However, if Republicans want to win elections they need to show they are a better choice than Democrats. That means they need to actually be better at something other than corruption, pettiness, and ineptness.

    Here’s the crux of the matter: if Christie is still the R’s choice for ’16 and has their backing and financial support, what are you going to do? Sit it out or hold your nose and vote for him? Ultimately, it will come down to that because the R’s cannot get the crap together, unify, and get someone worth their salt in the running.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  156. I am a retired lawyer and, apparently, a mean girl. Mean girls don’t add value but lawyers do, although I don’t think they are as valuable as people like doctors, engineers, or people who make/produce things or run businesses — people like many of the commenters here. In addition, lawyers tend to be more liberal than the average layman, and I think that casts doubt on the overall intelligence and value of lawyers. But one thing lawyers can do is accept and even enjoy when someone challenges their views. Spend a semester in a 1L class and you’ll be able to do that, too.

    There aren’t many lawyers who regularly comment here anymore. Many readers and commenters probably view that as a good thing, and I won’t quibble with that view. There are tremendous benefits to reading comments from productive people, because they have so much to real-life experience to share. But there are more cliques here now, too, where certain people agree about ideas and policies and consistently join forces to try to discredit opposing views. I can’t explain why that’s happening but it may be because commenters who are lawyers are more likely to play Devil’s Advocate for the sake of fleshing out a discussion, and less likely to have a uniform point of view that binds them together when discussing different ideas and policies.

    Basically, I think having lots of lawyers around this website made this a place where different ideas were heard and talked about, even if they ruffled a few feathers. I think that’s beneficial, and I don’t see that as a threat to Republicans or conservatives. Nevertheless, it appears my willingness to ruffle Republican feathers has become a minority view here, just like lawyers have become in the comment section — and I accept that. The one fact of life is that things change, including blogs.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  157. I don’t know if I will vote for Christie, Dana. I would have absolutely said “Yes” before Boehner attacked the Tea Party. Now, I’m not so sure. Republicans made their bed and I’m not included in it.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  158. i’m not an attorney but I can use my imagination meow meow to see how things might look from that perspective meow meow

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  159. Geesh, DRJ, I hope you weren’t taking my comment at #160 as seriously as you sound in #162 (or that you were responding to my goofing off). One of the things I had the miserable marvelous opportunity to learn during my annus horriblus, was not to take myself too seriously, nor anyone else. We are all just making our way through the valley of shadows, hoping to find rays of sunlight to bask in – in spite of the shadows. Be well.

    (and if you were not responding to my #160, just disregard this comment!)

    Dana (9a8f57)

  160. i’d probably have to stop wearing a ball cap to work for starters

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  161. Allahpundit makes an argument that conservative Republicans have helped Christie more than establishment Republicans:

    As a noted RINO myself (albeit one who’s skeptical of Christie’s claims of innocence), I’m not sure what any of his allies could have said to defend him yesterday. If your strongest argument for your guy is “well, there’s no proof that he’s involved yet,” you’re probably better off sitting tight and hoping for the best. For what it’s worth, my Twitter timeline this morning was overflowing with praise for Christie from center-righties for his quick firing of Bridget Kelly and extended apologetics at today’s presser. By closing time tomorrow, I’d bet, they’ll have moved on to “it’s old news.” Big-name RINOs will be backing him up before you know it.

    Sometimes challenging Republicans and giving them a chance to clean up their messes is better than trying to sweep it under the rug.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  162. Dana,

    You’re the second person to call me that so maybe that’s what I am. It’s not what I want to be and not what I intend to do when I comment, but I am a female so maybe you’re right. I’m not offended by it, though. We all have our flaws and hopefully your pointer will help me avoid this flaw in the future.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  163. I’ll attempt to make one last point and then retire from the thread to prepare dinner. For those who feel they are currently in possession of sufficient knowledge and facts to comment with certainty and integrity on the bridge situation, and that there is tangible net benefit to the right in talking about it, by all means have at it. I don’t feel that I do have all the facts, nor am I at all confident that the facts and assumptions that have been presented to us so far as gospel are take it to the bank quality facts. (Meaning I am a cynic and I automatically assume the emails have been selectively cherry picked by a party and a media which are hypocritically pushing a political story to the max in order to change the subject.) I don’t mean to insinuate that anyone is intellectually lazy or gullible if they get sucked along in a media driven wave/frenzy. But I also don’t think it’s exactly hostile or aggressive to point out the need for us all to be cognizant of that intent and to be extra mindful and vigilant of how easily and how amazingly often that seems to “happen” nowadays. Dana’s use above of the word “Pavlovian” is (unfortunately) spot on IMO– and our political opponents know it.

    elissa (c8b349)

  164. DJR, my advice: don’t take things too seriously and lighten up. Have some fun with perceived (or known) shortcomings. Believe me, I’ve practiced that alot and it makes it much more bearable! :)

    Oddly, girls just seem inherently gifted with a strong passive-aggressive tendency. It’s not the most attractive quality, (and men are not too adept at counteracting it), and yet I admit having wielded it like a light sabre but did feel badly afterward…

    I’m sorry you took me so seriously and felt the need to response so sternly.

    (see what I did there?!)

    Dana (9a8f57)

  165. DRJ, not DJR… apparently I’m also dyslexic…

    Dana (9a8f57)

  166. Dana,

    Either you misinterpret sincerity for sternness, or I’m a naturally stern person. My kids would probably agree with the latter. Also I save my lighter moments for my real life, and it is very happy indeed.

    I would like to clarify one thing, however: What I object to are attempts to tell people we shouldn’t be talking about certain topics because it might hurt Republicans, or we should talk about things in different ways. By all means, national, state and local political leaders should watch what they say and how they say it. Blog commenters? Not so much.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  167. Comment by elissa (c8b349) — 1/9/2014 @ 4:16 pm

    Meaning I am a cynic and I automatically assume the emails have been selectively cherry picked by a party

    I am beginning to think the e-mails were cherry picked – or at least redacted – by none other than David Wildstein formerly of the Port Authority!!!

    I saw a scene on television – the reporter was saying the lawyer claimed he left out anything irrelevant.

    The e-mails became public when they were printed in the Bergen record. Christie says he was blindsided by this yesterday morning at about 8:50 or 8:55 am after he had finished his exercises.

    Meanwhile Christie at his press conference – this was on the CBS Evening News but nobody really has picked up on this – said that the mayor was not one of those whose endorsement they thought they could get! He was not on their radar screen.

    So it couldn’t have been retaliation. Christie is so confused he’s not taking this to its logical conclusion.

    Which is:

    The whole story of the motive is a lie. The whole issue of the endorsement is a red herring. Spin.

    Now I would say, the situation is, if this was political, there was no crime, beyond maybe some minor abuse of power. But if this was an attempt to force Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg to do something with regard to legislation, a nomination or an investigation, or even an attempt to impress somebody else altogether,
    this could be something else.

    It could be something very corrupt.

    David Wilstein tried to get the subpoena to testify today quashed. He said the signature on the subpoena was not the chairman of the committee or whatever. I think the judge ruled that’s the legislature’s business. When he appeared he took the 5th amendment multiple times.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  168. David Wildstein, by the selective editing of the e-mails, and maybe by the leak to the Bergen Record has creates agiant red herring.

    But for this to become national news, there’s got to be other people involved – so he’s probably involved with Democrats.

    Wildstein it seems like both pointed the finger at Christie this way and supplied a non-corrupt motive. Just stupid, right? That’s maybe the way it looks. But noobody is this stupid.

    Especially when there wasn’t actually any attempt to get the mayor to endorse Christie!!

    Is Christie lying about that fact? My guess would be that if that declaration were a lie it would fall apart pretty soon and wouldn’t be attempted.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  169. I think that every side of the Christie issue (and political issues in general) should be talked about and whether or not they hurt the Republican establishment, well, perhaps all the better. Anything that might shake up that monolithic entity can only be a good thing. With that, I think elissa’s concern is valid: she’s reacting with restraint because she perhaps doesn’t have all the facts yet. It may, however, turn out that right here and now, all the facts are on the table. I don’t know.

    Again, chew it up and keep trying to hold our elected officials accountable, but at the end of the day, I feel (cynically) that conservatives are going to be served up a candidate that makes us all groan. Do we vote for that candidate or protest by withholding our vote? All I know, is I am utterly sick and tired of being served slop.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  170. Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/9/2014 @ 4:36 pm

    What I object to are attempts to tell people we shouldn’t be talking about certain topics because it might hurt Republicans, or we should talk about things in different ways.

    She’s just saying this whole thing could be a diversion to get poeople talking about something else than what is in Gates’s book. Particularly that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama admitted in front of him that their opposition to the 2007 Iraq surge had been political.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  171. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/07/opinion/bergen-al-qaeda-terrority-gains/index.html

    Not true anymore. They pulled back both from Aleppo and Fallujah. In Aleppo people were fouind murdered in jails. In Fallujah the pop is now accusing Maliki of trying to get them killed.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  172. Dana:

    All I know, is I am utterly sick and tired of being served slop.

    Who in particular are you thinking about?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  173. If it helps the discussion, I will say up front that I like Christie. I like his ability to speak well and think on his feet. I’m certain he would be more liberal in his policy-making and governing than I like, but it wouldn’t be a deal-breaker. Ted Cruz is probably the only person who would be close to me on all the issues, but I won’t demand purity in exchange for my vote if he’s the nominee.

    My problem is with the Republican Party more than Christie, although I also think Christie will have a hard time winning a general election against Hillary. She’s going to move to the center so they will seem very similar to moderates and independents. The chance to vote for a woman and a Clinton will appeal to a lot of people.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  174. Bridget Anne Kelly has deleted her Twotter account, according to the CBS Evening News, but they were not able to getin contact with her.

    Christie says he feels betrayed. He is not angry, but sad. I think he probably actually feels he’s stumbled into a parallel universe.

    Christie also announced he was breaking ties with his campaign manager.

    I think he’s more like Harding than Truman.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  175. DRJ, at 162: one of the interesting things about being both a lawyer and an engineer is that I can see both lawyer-perspectives and non-lawyer perspectives on a lot of issues. To be honest, I think it’s made me a better businessperson, and that I’m a better lawyer for it as well.

    aphrael (e7aa29)

  176. instead of slop you should stop by Quenelle for some tasty hand-crafted ice creams it’s really special i promise

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/quenelle-burbank

    i like it cause of how i always learn new words and plus they give me ice cream

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  177. #162 Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/9/2014 @ 3:57 pm

    I like your comment, DRJ. I have always loved that quality about lawyers that enabled them to embrace a challenge of their views. I could not put my finger on the change that has occurred on this blog in the past few years, but I believe you have explained it for me.

    I comment less often now not because of the cliques you speak of, but because I do not have anything to add to the conversation. I don’t think the cliques are bad (and no one says they are) or anything. A real, thriving, community will always generate a few cliques.

    Don’t lose heart, DRJ. (brotherly hug)

    felipe (6100bc)

  178. But there are more cliques here now, too, where certain people agree about ideas and policies and consistently join forces to try to discredit opposing views

    Perhaps I don’t pay close enough attention, but I don’t see this at all. I don’t see “cliques” and it’s to see the word used to describe commenters that are sharp and inquisitive. And to suggest they join forces (willfully?) to discredit others seems to be further insult. Is this taking things too personally? Can’t they be arguing in just as much good faith as lawyer commenters ruffling feathers? Could this be a perception you have rather than fact as stated?

    Basically, I think having lots of lawyers around this website made this a place where different ideas were heard and talked about, even if they ruffled a few feathers.

    Anyone from any walk of life that is curious, analytical, and loves discussion will naturally throw out ideas and challenges, as well as chew on it out loud. I don’t think being a lawyer is the criteria for that. And I think lawyers as well as non-lawyers can get their feathers ruffled – some take that in stride, others don’t.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  179. elissa at #8… I am with you. This is so much horsestuff and to have a media that has all but ignored every REAL scandal and abuse perpetrated by 0bama and Hilary Clinton to now seize upon this? I say “Hell, NO!” I don’t care much for Christie, but I’m not going to play.

    One thing… did Christie steal a billion dollars from people who had invested and trusted their money with him like that asshole Jon Corzine did?

    No, he did not.

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  180. Significant today, and unsettling for Christie’s apologists, was the testimony, or lack thereof, of Christie’s old high school pal, and political appointee, David Wildstein, Director of Interstate Capital Projects for the Jersey Port Authority, the state agency that coordinates bridge operations with NYC.

    Wildstein resigned in December, complaining that incessant questions about the traffic jam had become a distraction. Today, before the State Assembly’s Transportation Committee Wildstein took the 5th so many times (every time?) he was finally held in contempt.

    Wildstein’s Lois Lerner impersonation is painting Christie into a corner. Second shoe anyone?

    ropelight (9c3954)

  181. Yes, Dana, there are cliques. No, I will not identify them. but I am sure you will begin to see them once you tune your sensors in search of their frequency. seek and ye shall find.

    felipe (6100bc)

  182. There is also a cabal with tea-shirts and everything.

    felipe (6100bc)

  183. “I don’t think for one minute that Chris Christie can pass up a dozen Krispy Kremes. Let’s go grab some dinner.”

    - Mrs. Haiku, just 2 minutes ago.

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  184. I am sure you will begin to see them once you tune your sensors in search of their frequency. seek and ye shall find.

    No, felipe, I don’t think I will tune my sensors into such matters. There are far more important things to be concerned with than the pettiness of supposed cliques. People are allowed to disagree and if they are inclined to team up and push their pov, so be it as long as they do not cross any lines that our host has established. I don’t take these things personally and frankly, don’t really have the time to get that involved. I love the arguing and the challenges and the ruffling of feathers. At best, it’s made me a better thinker, a better analyzer, and solidified my thoughts on matters. At the very least, it’s made me a more astute observer of human nature.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  185. You wonder how we’re losing friends and failing to influence people;

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/01/09/gates_us_tried_to_oust_karzai_in_clumsy_putsch#sthash.czDYqtCu.dpbs

    narciso (3fec35)

  186. If it helps the discussion, I will say up front that I think Christie’s knee-capping of Team R’s last nominee (the odious Mitt Romney) with his slobbery and obscene all-too-public oral pleasurings of president food stamp revealed him to be a pervert and a whore of a caliber that is certainly worthy of the office of U.S. president, but it also revealed him to be a man of such poor character and judgment that I could never bestir myself to vote for him.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  187. This is more like Obama laying off the IRS scandal on underlings which is hard to believe in either case. Too bad Obama doesn’t get two hours of grilling.

    Christie cannot beat Hillary. He might win a debate but the voters are not interested in issues.
    The voters will just be seeing a stereotype, fat Republican and go for the little more pleasant woman. Let’s get this guy out of the race and find a better candidate.

    AZ Bob (ade845)

  188. If it helps the discussion, I will say up front that I like Christie. I like his ability to speak well and think on his feet. I’m certain he would be more liberal in his policy-making and governing than I like, but it wouldn’t be a deal-breaker.

    DRJ, that pretty much mirrors my own sentiments, although I’m far more skeptical about the type of bilge that would ooze out of a Christie White House. For instance, his being a president who’d kiss up to the likes of Obama right before the election last year and extremely squishy attitude about immigration suggests to me that his left-leaning biases (which just about every human has glints of, and which tend to dumb down resistance to unethical behavior) probably are at the root of his current controversy.

    Mark (58ea35)

  189. She loved her son and daughter and three grandchildren, Ms. Oleri said, though in recent years her memory had began to fail her.
    Because of that, she did not vote in the last election of a governor. But she did in the one before.

    “She voted for Christie,” Ms. Oleri said.

    I think there was another, more important reason she did not vote in the last election for Governor.

    She died on Monday, September 9, the first day of the bridge lane closing.

    Unless maybe they mean the primary??

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  190. Christie cannot beat Hillary.

    If so, that illustrates just how far down American has gone.

    A First Lady who dodges sniper fire on airport tarmacs versus a very squishy, non-rightwing Republican.

    Don’t cry for us, Argentina.

    Mark (58ea35)

  191. Dana:

    And to suggest they join forces (willfully?) to discredit others seems to be further insult. Is this taking things too personally? Can’t they be arguing in just as much good faith as lawyer commenters ruffling feathers? Could this be a perception you have rather than fact as stated?

    I have no problem with commenters who agree on issues joining their voices to contest ideas with which they disagree. That’s a good thing. Telling commenters they shouldn’t even discuss certain topics because it’s counterproductive to Republican goals and/or helps Democrats is not a good thing. Maybe some lawyers have done that here but I’d like a link, because none come to mind.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  192. Dana:

    Anyone from any walk of life that is curious, analytical, and loves discussion will naturally throw out ideas and challenges, as well as chew on it out loud. I don’t think being a lawyer is the criteria for that.

    I agree. I encourage everyone here to do that when possible.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  193. The whole idea that the bridge lane closings was because the mayor of Ft. Lee did not endorse Chris Christie for re-election is cleverly leaked spin.

    Do I have to be Hercule Poirot to figure this out?
    Or Colombo?

    Just study the evidence.

    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/live-updates-on-bridge-scandal-surrounding-chris-christie/?rref=nyregion&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&pgtype=article&_r=0

    11:28 A.M. ‘Told It Was a Traffic Study’

    Governor Christie said he was told that the lanes were closed as part of a traffic study when he was asked about the problems at the George Washington Bridge.

    He said that he is not a “micromanager.”

    11:31 A.M. Christie: Fort Lee Mayor Was ‘Never on My Radar Screen’

    When asked whether the lane closings were used for retaliation, Gov. Chris Christie said that he was puzzled because he did not remember seeking the Fort Lee mayor’s support for his re-election campaign last year. He said that he did not remember calling the mayor or meeting him. “Until I saw his picture last night on television, I never would been able to pick him out of a lineup. I never knew that we were pursuing his endorsement.”

    What? He thinks it is a fact that they were? Where are the emails showing that?

    Why is everybody buying this thing?

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  194. 135. Some conservatives think Christie was wrong and should not be defended. Some think he hasn’t done anything wrong, and still others think we need to wait and see. I think there is a basis for people to think any of these things and it’s reasonable for us to discuss the pros and cons of each. Maybe the media is trying to manipulate this topic to help the Democrats…

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/9/2014 @ 2:46 pm

    DRJ, do you really believe it’s debatable that the MFM is trying to manipulate this topic to help Democrats? I find it remarkable that any realist wouldn’t acknowledge that’s just the reality that conservatives have to deal with. It’s part of the political landscape, and has been for as long as I’ve been alive.

    Reagan was the last conservative I’m aware of who actually had an effective communication strategy for getting his message out despite the fact that the MFM would manipulate any topic to help Democrats.

    We can debate all the rest if you like. For instance I heartily dislike Christie but I know he needs to be defended. Precisely because the media is manipulating the topic to help Democrats, and they’ll do that to anyone with an “R” after their name who poses a threat to Hillary! in 2016.

    They’ll do to Christie what they did to McCain. Both are media darlings as long as they’re reaching across the aisle, working with Democrats, while bashing conservatives. Christie for instance gets praised for his bromance with Obama, for refusing to help Romney when he could have, and for calling conservatives “cold hearted” if they aren’t for in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

    But it won’t stop the MFM from smearing Christie if he appears to be a threat to the Democrats in 2016. Just like the MFM loved “Maverick” when he was spitting in the eyes of conservatives, such as calling them racists if they opposed his amnesty bill back in 2007, but that didn’t stop them from printing a baseless and unsourced article about him having an affair with a lobbyist practically on the eve of the 2008 election.

    How is there even a question here about whether the MFM is spinning this to help Democrats?

    Steve57 (613188)

  195. 194. If it helps the discussion, I will say up front that I think Christie’s knee-capping of Team R’s last nominee (the odious Mitt Romney) with his slobbery and obscene all-too-public oral pleasurings of president food stamp revealed him to be a pervert and a whore of a caliber that is certainly worthy of the office of U.S. president, but it also revealed him to be a man of such poor character and judgment that I could never bestir myself to vote for him.

    Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 1/9/2014 @ 7:01 pm

    MFM loved him then though.

    Steve57 (613188)

  196. They loved Christie because he helped them taint the rest of the GOP as extremists. Here Christie was working with Obama to help the people of Joisey recover from Sandy while the rest of the party were just unhinged paritsans trying to sabotage all the good works of our Ear Leader.

    They love Colin Powell for much the same reason. He can be counted on to be the Republican who will go on TV to say the Republican party is racist.

    As long as you’re a Republican willing to advance the media narrative they love you. Until they don’t. Then they’ll manufacture hit pieces if they have to in order to attack you.

    Nothing personal. It’s business. It’s what they do. Democratic propaganda. Every, single time.

    Steve57 (613188)

  197. Of course, the actual fate of the folks along the shore, were inconvenient;

    http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2014/01/09/wapo-first-place-to-go-for-the-spin-you-need-to-know/

    narciso (3fec35)

  198. Comment by Dana (9a8f57) — 1/9/2014 @ 6:25 pm

    That was well said, Dana.

    felipe (6100bc)

  199. Christie sucked up to Obama mainly because he has the hots for Bruce Springsteen; Bruce Springsteen snubbed him; Obama got Springsteen to say “Hi!” to him. I don’t know how much the teddy-bear he won for Obama helped sweeten the deal.

    nk (dbc370)

  200. Steve57,

    The point of my earlier comment wasn’t whether Democrats want to manipulate issues like this. I agree most of the mainstream media are liberals and many of them will do anything to support that agenda. My point was that I don’t have a duty as a (previously) loyal Republican to adopt the Republican Party line in order to counteract that fact, nor do I have to sign on to the Republican Party agenda of what people are allowed to say and who they are allowed to criticize.

    I’m a nobody at a blog. I get to say what I really think, and I don’t care if it hurts Republicans’ feelings or makes them worry they might lose a few votes in a future election. If anything, I consider my comments to be constructive criticism intended to help further a conservative agenda, but even then I’m not going to say something I don’t believe just because it might help my cause.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  201. Colonel Haiku 191,

    My compliments to Mrs. Haiku.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  202. Democrats are the enemy. Repeat… Democrats are the enemy.

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  203. Through their own actions… whether it was their concerted effort 30 years ago to promote Communism in the Western Hemisphere and disarm America during the Cold War, their actions 10 years ago to cripple a war-time President, or, more recently, ensuring that poverty and dependency would be growth industries, the Democrats have defined themselves as the Enemy of America.

    That is all.

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  204. ==Telling commenters they shouldn’t even discuss certain topics because it’s counterproductive to Republican goals and/or helps Democrats is not a good thing.==

    Geez. It’s just someone’s opinion on a blog. Nothing more and nothing less. Instead of taking it so seriously and so personally why don’t you just think “poo on you” and ignore the commenters who most annoy you, or whose comments you largely disagree with –and then just go ahead and do what you were planning to do, and say what you want to say anyway? I think that would work and might be much less frustrating for you as well as for others who are participating or trying to follow along on a thread. In general, most people here are smart enough to discern on their own the good arguments from the bad ones. They recognize the critical thinkers and are able to pick up on which commenters are pushing the limits of both logical and illogical presentation. They can see who are the ones trying to explore and test themselves, can figure out who is being disagreeable for the sake of disruption, and who is just b.s.-ing. That’s what a blog community is.

    elissa (c8b349)

  205. I want to join a clique, BTW. SPQR won’t let me join his cabal after I told him that I don’t need to carry any size of gun at all. Any cliques accepting new members? I know where to buy baklava for the meetings.

    nk (dbc370)

  206. I can do that, elissa.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  207. The GWP is reporting that the EPA has summarily altered the WY state boundaries.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/01/epa-changes-the-borders-of-wyoming-governor-appeals-decision/

    The WY Governor is appealing the decision and has pledged to pursue relief in Federal court.

    At what cost? Where does this horsesh*t end?

    At the ballot box?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  208. narciso @206, I loved that post by Vodkapundit.

    But the good news, if you read down a bit further, is that the memoir will likely do the President “little lasting political damage.”

    If you read the linked article, the WaPo’s Scott Wilson never once evaluates Gates’ criticism on the merits.

    His entire article…

    Gates’s criticism of Obama in ‘Duty’ shows risks of initial ‘team of rivals’ approach

    …boils down to two points.

    1) Obama was correct, or at least justified, by choosing his inner circle entirely based upon personal loyalty.

    2) And as Vodkapundit put it “,But the good news, if you read down a bit further, is that the memoir will likely do the President ‘little lasting political damage.’”

    An alternate headline for Scott Wilson’s piece would be, “Gates accuses Obama and his inner circle of basing foreign policy and national security decisions solely on impact on domestic political calculations, I pen an article that confirms that’s exactly how liberals like me think.”

    Not that we needed Gates’ book to know this. Recall how DoD and intelligence personnel found it strange that Obama had his campaign manager/WH political adviser David Axelrod sit in on national security meetings. No other President they worked for ever did that. The decision to kill UBL was left up to Valerie Jarrett. Billy Jeff claimed that decision was courageous because if the raid failed Obama wouldn’t have a political future.

    It’s all about having a political future. Just as Gates says. And Scott Wilson analyzes this and concludes Gates’ revelations won’t damage it. So, what’s the problem with what Gates wrote?

    Steve57 (613188)

  209. A BRIDGE TOO FAT

    Icy (b0cd1a)

  210. Thanks for your feedback, felipe.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  211. 161. I can understand Republicans wanting control over their own party.

    I can understand Republicans following the money, e.g., the Chamber of Commerce and its perceived need for immigrants of any stripe.

    I can understand those with power being first and foremost focused on remaining in power.

    I do have some trouble with the realization that these folks cannot see or accept that what they want, in the main, is not achievable and is less so with every effort they make to keep what they have.

    Penny-wise and dollar-foolish. In a word, iniquitous, incorrigibly so.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  212. Thanks for the clarification @209, DRJ.

    Steve57 (613188)

  213. So, what do Republicans, conservatives, independents and libertarians do?

    The left and the media have successfully isolated and defined anyone who disagrees with them as outside of the mainstream, stupid, misogynist and racist.

    They have won the battle and there is no one who can win the war.

    All I see is Obamas, Clintons, Pelosis and Reids forever and ever.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  214. nk, that wasn’t why you were rejected from my cabal (its a cabal, not a clique, sheesh – only teenage girls and OFA operatives in footie pajamas have cliques).

    You were rejected because you are far too classy for the rest of my cabal.

    SPQR (768505)

  215. DRJ, you can ruffle my feathers whenever you wish.

    SPQR (768505)

  216. clique this
    cabal that
    team republican
    shrinks daily

    mg (31009b)

  217. #184: nice find Mr Feets… we can hit up Gun World at Buena Vista & Magnolia, then get ice cream.

    is this a great country or what?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  218. The left and the media have…

    But you repeat yourself.

    Seriously, the GOP needs to get out of the stone age when it comes to getting its message out.

    I recall someone in the Bush administration’s PR machine (if you can call it that) actually bragging about their media strategy a few months back. I believe it was Nicolle Wallace, who rose in the administration to become WH communications director. Anyway, this WH flack came up with the brilliant idea of doing more outreach to magazines to get the Bush administration story out. One of the magazines they bragged about reaching out to? Time magazine. Jay Carney was the Washington Bureau Chief when the Bush administration PR machine came up with the ingenious notion of depending on him to get the Bush message out.

    And this guy:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/12/rick-stengel-time-magazine-state-department_n_3916227.html

    Rick Stengel Leaving Time For State Department Post

    The Huffington Post | By Jack Mirkinson Posted: 09/12/2013 4:26 pm EDT | Updated: 09/12/2013 4:40 pm EDT

    Time magazine editor Rick Stengel is leaving to take a post at the State Department, Capital New York and Politico reported on Thursday. The two outlets wrote that he will be succeeded by his deputy, Nancy Gibbs.

    Stengel will become Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs…

    I can’t believe the utter stupidity of the GOP when it comes to trusting the Democratic party’s propaganda wing to deal fairly with them. Remember the debates? Clinton’s former campaign manager and WH CoS was the moderator who out of the left field asked the candidates about outlawing contraceptives in furtherance of the “War on Women” meme.

    Then there was obviously rehearsed bit between Obama and Candy Crowley when Romney correctly pointed out that Obama refused to call the attack on Benghazi an act of terrorism. Obama looked at Crowley and said (paraphrasing) “Go to the transcript.” And Crowley without missing a beat said that Obama had called it an act of terrorism the very next day in the Rose Garden.

    Not only was that not true, but it was bizarre. Go to the transcript? Was Crowley supposed to have transcripts of Obama’s pressers? And apparently she knew exactly what he was referring to. How does that happen without prior coordination.

    Of course she did what the leftists in the MFM always do. She apologized well after the fact, when it didn’t matter anymore because she had already inflicted maximum, irrecoverable damage on the Rommey campaign.

    I see no hint the GOP will get a clue. Reince Priebus took a small baby step when he threatened not to allow anyone from CNN to moderate any presidential debates if they produced and ran their “Vote Hillary!” commercial masquerading as a serious documentary before the election. That’s progress. When do they wake up to the fact that it’s madness to have anyone from the Clinton News Network moderate a debate under any circumstances?

    I think at the very least the GOP should steal the Obama permanent campaignistration’s media playbook. Oddly the administration with the most sycophantic lapdog media ever cuts the media out of the loop and goes directly to the public over their heads. The MFM makes a pretense of being miffed, and maybe they are, but the effect is to make them even more sycophantic. Now they dutifully publish WH press releases and official WH photos after complaining they can’t use their own sources of copy and photos since the WH won’t allow it.

    The main thing is for the base to go directly to the pols. The ones who crave approval from the NYT or the WaPo or the networks and the rest of the dinosaur MFM. We have to pound it through their thick skulls that if that’s what they want they need to pack their bags.

    The one positive effect of the “left and the media” (now I repeat myself) successfully defining anyone who disagrees with them as extremists on the fringes of society is they’ve manage to insult and lie about just about everyone except Hollywood and the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence in order to do so.

    Steve57 (613188)

  219. Watch this and tell me Obama and Crowley didn’t plan this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCNd5DutF4c#t=25

    Obama set the trap when he (just prior to the start of this excerpt) says that he called the attack on Benghazi an act of terrorism the next morning in the Rose Garden. And Romney keys on that at the start of this excerpt.

    Look at Obama when he says “, Please proceed governor.” He knows exactly what is supposed to happen next.

    Steve57 (613188)

  220. Constitutional scholars like Mark Levin inform morons like me how filthy the republican party and it’s members are. Thank you, Mr. Levin. Team republican has lost so many voters since the last election. Tea-baggers numbers keep a growing. ha,ha,ha.

    mg (31009b)

  221. I’m told on the MSNBC thread that I’m missing the big picture because I don’t realize it’s about which individual, the TV talking head(s) or the GOP pol they smear, who looks classier when emerging from these isolated, totally unconnected incidents. But I tend to view all of these incidents as part of a coordinated assault, and that they demand a coordinated response.

    Since Wednesday night, NBC included six reports over 14 minutes and 14 seconds. CBS devoted five reports over 12 minutes and 27 seconds. ABC managed 4 stories over seven minutes and 47 seconds.

    As a comparison over the last six months, NBC featured a scant five seconds on updating the IRS story. CBS responded with a minute and 41 seconds. ABC produced a meager 22 seconds.

    …These stories were buried by ABC, CBS and NBC, the same networks that have immediately deluged Republican Chris Christie, a 2016 contender, with coverage for his scandal.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2014/01/09/there-s-already-17-times-more-coverage-christie-scandal-last-six-mon#ixzz2pydAtc2F

    Not that I’m saying Newt Gingrich was the perfect candidate. I’m not even saying he was a good candidate. I didn’t even want to vote for him. But while the rest of the candidates interacted with the media as if they were dealing with honest brokers, Newt Gingrich knew better and what’s more called the MFM on it.

    We need more of that.

    Steve57 (613188)

  222. When did Levin say that, mg? I don’t listen to him regularly, but when I do he’s praising the TEA Party and slamming the inside the beltway DC establishment GOP who are working against the TEA Party.

    Like the Chamber of Commerce which has vowed to oppose TEA Party candidates.

    Steve57 (613188)

  223. You won’t be getting it from republicans, Steve57.
    Gonads are a lost item with republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  224. Steve57 – Brietbart was mentioning how the bitch from Kentucky is lying about the number of books Levin has sold. The bitch says some outside party bough $100,000.00 worth of books. So sad a bitch has to go to this length to smear a true American.

    mg (31009b)

  225. When did the republican party let the Taliban in the big tent?

    mg (31009b)

  226. Yes, Steve, it’s like Susskind, (O’Neil), Clarke, Drumheller, Diulio, Ridge, et al’s memoirs never happened;

    http://therightscoop.com/howard-kurtz-robert-gates-book-is-a-betrayal-erick-erickson-oh-simmer-down/

    narciso (3fec35)

  227. If Matt Bevin beats the bitchy mitch in Kentucky, the republican party will have tea-party leaders.

    mg (31009b)

  228. A BRIDGE TOO FAT

    Comment by Icy (b0cd1a) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:59 pm

    A Bridget* Too Far?
    Operation Market Garden City?
    Kelly’s Hero Sandwiches?
    Leave It To Bridget?
    A Bridget Over Wawayanda Creek? (I just like “Wawayanda” — say it out loud)

    *[Bridget Anne Kelly]

    nk (dbc370)

  229. 237.A BRIDGE TOO FAT

    Comment by Icy (b0cd1a) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:59 pm

    A Bridget* Too Far

    Comment by nk (dbc370) — 1/10/2014 @ 6:09 am

    Good ones. where’s that “thumbs up” button?

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  230. Comment by Steve57 (613188) — 1/9/2014 @ 7:51 pm

    For instance I heartily dislike Christie but I know he needs to be defended.

    He needs to be defended on this issue Or, rather, his character needs to be defended. Not his judgement. I don’t think that much of his judgement, either.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  231. Operation Traffic Jam.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  232. The Bridge on teh River Bullsh*t

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  233. The bridge to irrelevancy.

    mg (31009b)

  234. elissa @ 213,

    Absolutely.

    Dana (9a8f57)

  235. UNFORGIVABLE is right

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  236. Fat City

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  237. 223. Yeah, and that narciso dude, too.

    We loathe nice.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  238. Democrats are the enemy. Repeat… Democrats are the enemy.

    @211 Comment by Colonel Haiku (a3af9f) — 1/9/2014 @ 8:23 pm

    The problem is that some Republicans are Democrat. Remember Colonel: Good is the enemy of perfect, but desperation is the enemy of good.

    Mr. Christie lost my vote “for sure” when he starting dating the President and contributed to a fellow Republican’s defeat; however, as odd as this sounds, he actually gained a little more respect in my book because of this scandal. I like the way he handled it:
    a) fired the corrupt aide
    b) apologized to the people (genuine real-sounding apology — not a liberal-type “apology”)
    c) faced the press and answered every question
    d) publicly stated that he had no knowledge of the bridge closure (he is on record and if that is not true, he is done)

    – all of that in short order.

    Scandals and problems are going to occur in government, but how those are dealt with — here we have a clear-cut example of how Obama handles scandals versus how a man handles them.

    I am still not ready to vote for him — at base minimum, I need to hear: “I will kill Obamacare; I will put a stake through that vampire’s heart.” — but I will listen now.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  239. elissa #213:

    Instead of taking it so seriously and so personally why don’t you just think “poo on you” and ignore the commenters who most annoy you, or whose comments you largely disagree with –and then just go ahead and do what you were planning to do, and say what you want to say anyway?

    I do take your comments seriously but I guess I won’t anymore, since you’re the one I usually disagree with. I thought I was showing you respect by engaging with you and challenging the things I have questions or concerns about. Since you’d rather I ignore you, I can do that — as I said above.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  240. Of course, that doesn’t mean I will necessarily ignore the things you say and let them go unchallenged. I simply won’t address you if I decide to do that.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  241. well someone has to tell elissa how the cow ate the cabbage sometimes

    otherwise she’ll be like hey where’s the cabbage I swear to god there was cabbage here wtf

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  242. It sounds good to say everyone gets to state their position and then we all vote who we think made the best case … but that’s how Obama press conferences work, too. I don’t think any of us believes letting Obama speak without having to take questions is the best way to decide if an idea works.

    What works in real life is to flesh out and defend one’s ideas under questioning, the way Obama should have to do in his press conferences but never does. That’s where the real insights come from. It’s not easy and not always fun, but it can be very illuminating and satisfying to have that kind of discussion.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  243. @ Comment by Pons Asinorum (8ce71a) — 1/10/2014 @ 10:37 am

    Repeal the ban on lightbulbs. Correcting the republican dalliance with the global warming hoax, one of the numerous mistakes of the Bush presidency.
    Republicans crawl out of Al Gore’s bed. Make him release his own damned chakras for a change.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  244. Chris Christie seems to believe in the global warming hoax, but what he doesn’t believe in is the “remedy” of trying to release less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

    The math doesn’t add up. It would be a drop in the bucket.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  245. I was thinking more along the lines of “know thine enemy”, Pons. Keep the powder dry and save the ammo for the folks who are debasing culture and country… metaphorically speaking, of course.

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  246. From the timeline:

    Sept 12: …Records show Wildstein e-mails Kelly and Christie spokesman Michael Drewniak a statement saying the Port Authority is “reviewing traffic safety patterns at the George Washington Bridge.”

    …..

    Nov. 25: At a hearing held by the Assembly transportation committee, [Deputy Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Bill] Baroni says the closures were ordered by his direct subordinate, Wildstein, as part of a traffic study and acknowledges making a mistake by not notifying Foye, police or the public. Records show Baroni asks Wildstein how he performed. “Good,” Wildstein said.

    From Chris Christie’s press conference yesterday:

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303393804579310660187853186 (incomplete transcript)

    You can tell us that you do not authorize this kind of retribution?

    Oh, absolutely not. No. And I knew nothing about this. And until it started to be reported in the papers about the closure, but even then I was told this was a traffic study. Senator Barnoni testified that it was a traffic study. There still may have been a traffic study that now has political overtones to it as well. I don’t know the answer to that.

    We’re going to find out, but I don’t know, because Senator Barnoni presented all types of information that day to the legislature—statistics and maps and otherwise—that seemed evidence of a traffic study, so why would I believe that anybody would not be telling the truth about that?

    Nov 25 was before the first wave of publicity, after Wildstein resigned December 6th. Baroni resigned on the 13th.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  247. Notice one thing:

    The spelling Mafia striokes again!

    Is his name Baroni, or Barnoni?

    It seems to be Baroni, but the transcript, and other sources call him Barnoni.

    Now I’m interested in what Chris Christie actually said.

    port authority “bill Baroni” has about 34,500 results and “port authority “bill Barnoni” has 9.

    Nine doesn’t seem too many uses.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  248. Is there a Rape Barn involved in the Bridgegate Scandal? If it’s New Jersey and a Democrat Media Industrial Complex amplified scandal there’s gotta be a Rape Barn involved somewhere.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  249. Rachel Mancow and I both blame teh Kocktopus!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  250. http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/Top_Christie_apointee_resigns_amid_escalating_probe_into_George_Washington_Bridge_lane_closuers.html

    Friday, December 13, 2013 Last updated: Saturday December 14, 2013, 12:27 AM

    Christie, who announced Deputy Executive Director Bill Baroni’s immediate departure Friday morning, acknowledged that his top two executives at the agency had made mistakes. But the governor said he did not believe the lane closures — described by Baroni as a traffic study — were politically motivated.

    He also insisted that the abrupt resignation, which capped a week of explosive revelations — that began with a legislative hearing and ended with subpoenas and increasing calls for Baroni’s removal — was not connected to the controversy.

    Democrats said the move would not halt an investigation into the motives behind the decision that clogged Fort Lee’s streets and frustrated commuters and local officials. The governor said Baroni, who will be replaced by former federal prosecutor and trusted aide Deborah Gramiccioni, had been planning to resign even before questions arose about the mysterious traffic study that has turned into a potential threat to Christie’s popularity. David Wildstein, a high school classmate and the first to resign, told bridge officials to keep the lane closures a secret from local officials and police.

    On Friday, Christie called Democrats’ speculation that the study was a pretext to punish the Democratic mayor of Fort Lee “a lot of hullabaloo,” but his extended remarks on the controversy signaled that he is taking it more seriously. Democrats have said the lanes were closed because the Fort Lee mayor did not endorse Christie. “When mistakes are made, people have to be held accountable for them,” Christie said, describing himself as “bothered” by the errors but not angry.

    In his first, and only other, response last week, he joked that he moved the traffic cones himself.

    Chris Christie yesterday:

    I would never have come out here four or five weeks ago and made a joke about these lane closures if I had ever had an inkling that anyone on my staff would’ve been so stupid but to be involved and then so deceitful as to just not disclose the information of their involvement to me when directly asked by their superior. And those questions were not asked, by the way, just once. They were asked repeatedly.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  251. 261. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 1/10/2014 @ 12:09 pm

    Rachel Mancow and I both blame teh Kocktopus!

    Rachel Maddow seems to be the only person who recognizes that the story of this being retaliation against Ft Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich cannot be true.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rachel-maddow-theory-christie-bridge-scandal-weinberg-2014-1?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  252. Oh DRJ–Again? Today? Really? I truly don’t understand what is going on or why you seem to be obsessing, and why of late you appear to be much more self-focused on personalities and score-keeping and hurt feelings and judging other commenters than on actual ideas. The following comment which you left addressed to me yesterday, just on its face seemed bizarre, overtly personal, and yes, quite unnecessarily aggressively disrespectful.

    “I know you are afraid of people who agree with me and that’s why you react with so much hostility to my comments. I forgive you.” Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 1/9/2014 @ 2:17 pm

    While I never began to understand where that came from, or what prompted your puzzling comment, or how you can profess to “know” things about me, I tried to brush it off with both grace and humor, while seeking to assure you that I feel no hostility toward you whatsoever. Later I tried again to enter the discussion after Dana had intervened. Apparently you were not impressed with my efforts, suggestions and explanations–or hers.

    Be well, DRJ.

    elissa (c8b349)

  253. there’s a fine line between rape and closing a lane on a bridge and then joking about it but here is what chris christie still obviously does not understand

    no means no

    and that means when people say “no no no chris christie please please please do not make by hellish nightmare of a commute any more harder” then what you do if you’re chris christie is… you should actually look for ways to make their commute more easier

    why?

    cause people just want to go home after work even if their home is in new jersey

    and – remember this part cause this part is key – these people have NOT consented to the sort of violation what chris christie did on them

    and now we have ourselves a situation

    and there aren’t enough therapy dogs in the whole goddamn world to make this right

    and it’s a disgrace upon us all

    but mostly on chris christie, the vile commuter-raping governor of New Jersey

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  254. @256 Comment by Colonel Haiku (a3af9f) — 1/10/2014 @ 11:52 am

    Yeah, I agree with you Colonel, no question. Bet all the rational regulars here do too.

    We know the enemy, we know we have to regroup, but not our rally point, which I guess is the source of all the friction here.

    Pons Asinorum (8ce71a)

  255. *my* hellish nightmare of a commute i mean

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  256. i typed a b instead of an m is what happened

    but I take full and unequivocal responsibility for that

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  257. I think Chrissy blew it by sitting for like a couple of hours for questions from mindless gossips and wags.

    He should’ve just ignored those he most disagreed with and said “Poo on you”, to himself, over a rotisserie chicken, au gratin taters and sheet cake.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  258. Christie:

    the other part of this that just shocks me is as I’ve said to you all many times before, Mayor Sokolich was never on my radar screen. He was never mentioned to me as somebody whose endorsement we were even pursuing…..So part of this is I never saw this as political retribution because I didn’t think he did anything to us.

    Now, we pursued lots of endorsements during the campaign from Democrats, and we didn’t receive most of them. We received about 60 at the end of the day.

    We pursued hundreds.

    And so I never—I don’t have any recollection of at any time, anybody in the campaign ever asking me to meet with Mayor Sokolich or call him, which was the typical course that was used when we were attempting to get an endorsement. The staff would work with the elected official first, and then, when they thought, using the vernacular, the ball was on the tee, they would call me in to make a phone call or have a meeting or a breakfast, and I would then meet with the elected official and see if I could bring it over the line.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  259. There was some e-mailing about the mayor when the lanes had already been closed!

    He was the one doing the complaining.

    That doesn’t make him the target.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  260. “these people have NOT consented to the sort of violation what chris christie did on them”

    Mr. Feets – Gawker has teh photos of teh Jersey Punkin moving teh traffic cones hisself in teh middle of teh night. Check ‘em out!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  261. 268. I think Chrissy blew it by sitting for like a couple of hours for questions from mindless gossips and wags.

    He should’ve just ignored those he most disagreed with and said “Poo on you”, to himself, over a rotisserie chicken, au gratin taters and sheet cake.

    Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 1/10/2014 @ 12:47 pm

    I agree. He should have made a short statement, and then told the press that once they get to the bottom of why Obama always finds out what his administration is up to from TV like the rest of us, why his minions like Holder, Clinton, and Sebelius, testimony before Congress largely consists of, “I don’t know,” “I don’t have any information on that,” or “What difference does it make,” and why unlike Christie, Obama never fires anyone who lies to him or keeps him out of the loop, then he’ll take questions about how it happened that some lanes were shut down on a bridge for a few days.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  262. There was one official, Foles, who reopened the lanes, when he heard

    narciso (3fec35)

  263. My comment wasn’t intended to be disrespectful, elissa. I was sincere in my forgiveness and I hope you will forgive me for the slights I’ve sent your way as well.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  264. those are waffle cones not traffic cones

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  265. If they were waffle cones, Mr. feets, then Christie wouldn’t have moved them. He woulda et them. And then no lanes woulda been blocked, & then no traffic jams.

    I believe Gawker does have the photos, though, because Christie prolly thought “traffic jam” was something he could put on his morning toast.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  266. Waffle cones are not real cones. That’s just post-modern deconstructionist BS.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  267. Mittens has to be loving this.

    mg (31009b)

  268. it’s a paradox Mr. 57

    he is a very very large person but also, he is a very very small person

    small and mean

    but very large

    this is not a man you put in charge

    of governments or stores of pets

    avoid him every chance you gets

    he’ll block your lanes he’ll make you pay

    whenever he don’t get his way

    this mean and small vindictive yob

    please to resign – a different job

    is clearly now your best escape

    a job where you can’t hurt or rape

    the jerseytards you’ve used so ill

    you’ll have to learn a different skill

    a simple job – one not so tense

    and then the healing can commence

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  269. mister happyfeet, don’t you think there’s a virtue in waiting to see what the actual facts are, before we start building the gallows for governor christie and making jokes about jelly donuts and the stay-puffed marshmellow man ?
    i realize that taking a wait-and-see approach is not a popular idea with the always elevated blood pressure associated with the mark levin show, but then again, that scene was kind of behind the curve on whether or not christine o’donnell has the ‘right’ stuff. or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  270. Has teh fat man sang yet?

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  271. there’s no logical reason for all of this to have taken place without chris christie’s knowledge Mr. Elephant

    the whole affair is so chock full of rich creamy occamy goodness i can’t imagine anyone will leave feeling less than satisfied of chris christie’s guilt

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  272. In Christie’s honor… http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S1AWV3F8muI

    Colonel Haiku (a3af9f)

  273. I thought sugar cones were the hipster and waffle cones the grandma? Is it the other way around?

    nk (dbc370)

  274. mister happyfeet, it is absolutely un-american to have a public hanging before the facts are in. but if you want to go play basketball in north korea with dennis rodman, that’s your choice.
    just don’t make any wisecracks about kim jong il’s jump shot.

    cooler heads prevailing is cooler than itchy trigger hotheads who jump the gun—or the gallows.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  275. Mr. feets @280, I still can’t get worked up about what Christie did or didn’t do or knew or didn’t know.

    For all any of us know his aides did tell him that those lanes were closed because of a traffic study. For all we know there was a traffic study. If there wasn’t, then there were a lot of people who would have known about it who wouldn’t keep their mouths shut.

    Just because people are happy they’re going to cause Ft. Lee a bunch of huge traffic headaches doesn’t mean there wasn’t a real reason to do it. Just that they had other reasons to take pleasure in it.

    So before I jump on the “Christie must resign” bandwagon, I want to take a look at the bigger picture.

    I realize not much in life is bigger than Chris Christie, but hear me out.

    Did Christie throw people out of work by shutting down businesses even though he didn’t have any legal authority to do so? Did he deliberately endanger the public by laying off air traffic controllers despite the fact it was entirely unnecessary? Did he arbitrarily deny death benefits to the families of troops killed in action just to cause them misery and create headlines?

    Obama did all those things when implementing the sequester and when he shut down the government when he refused to negotiate over Obamacare.

    He had HHS illegally spend money to hide the cuts to Medicare advantage until after the 2012 election.

    http://www.nrcc.org/2012/10/17/dems-try-to-hide-medicare-cuts-until-after-the-election/

    Then he refused to spend money to provide death benefits to servicemen even though he had the legal authority to do it.

    He shuttered businesses that had never been closed in any of the dozens of previous government shut downs, and when they sued him he backed off because what he was doing was illegal.

    Oh, and when he was laying off those air traffic controllers because he said the sequester (his idea by the way) tied his hands he was lying.

    http://thehayride.com/2013/02/todays-dumber-than-dirt-mary-landrieu-speech/comment-page-1/

    Fortunately Obama has removed any need to get really technical about any of this. President “If Congress doesn’t act, I will” has demonstrated he breaks the law whenever it serves his political agenda. So tell me why I should get worked up over Christie? The people of Joisey want him, so they can live with him. I have to live with Obama.

    So in the big scheme of things, this isn’t about Christie just like the MSNBC thing wasn’t about Romney. It’s about the MFM getting hysterical and accusing Republicans of crimes that they make up out of thin air, while looking the other way and excusing crimes you can prove the Dems committed.

    And yes, I’m including things like “racism” as a crime because that’s the worst thing the racist liberals think they can accuse you of. That way they can indulge guilt-free in their race hatred, because in their imaginations they’ve finally created an enemy worse than they are.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  276. 285. there’s no logical reason for all of this to have taken place without chris christie’s knowledge Mr. Elephant

    the whole affair is so chock full of rich creamy occamy goodness i can’t imagine anyone will leave feeling less than satisfied of chris christie’s guilt

    Comment by happyfeet (c60db2) — 1/10/2014 @ 3:39 pm

    And for all you know Christie “knew” there was a traffic study.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  277. Ok, I see I confused waffle cones with wafer cones. Or with sugar cones. Or both. Just put it in a paper cup and give me a spoon.

    nk (dbc370)

  278. Surgeon Reynolds: You know what you’ve got there, my malingering Hector?
    Private Hook: No, sir. Uh, Hook’s the name, sir.
    Reynolds: You’ve got a fine handsome boil, my friend. There’s one glistening boil for every soldier in Africa. You may not win any medals on this campaign, but you’ll certainly get more boils. For every gunshot wound I probe, I expect to lance three boils.
    Hook: Uh, a spot of medicinal brandy would set me up, sir.
    Reynolds: Brandy’s for heroes, Mr. Hook. The rest of you will make due with boils in your skin, flies in your meat, and dysentery in your bellies. Now – this will hurt you a lot more than it will me, I’m happy to say.

    Surgeon Major Reynolds was obviously happy to have a chance to cause Hook some pain. But he also had a valid reason to stab Hook in the shoulder with a sharp object. He just took pleasure in his work.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  279. for when the british are the cowboys I fear for the future of the globe

    same as when republicans are the scoundrels Mr. 57

    for they are the watchmen of decorum

    a duty for which they did not ask

    but a burden which has fallen to them nevertheless

    and when one of their own transgresses past the pale

    the sword of justice must strike swift and true

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  280. 280 – happyfeet – put that to music and it would be a helluva Christie Carol.

    mg (31009b)

  281. North Korea is on the cutting edge of culture. On their calendar, 2014 is the year of the Anus.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  282. Sorry, Mr. Feets, I just can’t take GOP jaywalking as seriously as Democrat grand theft and extortion.

    Update: Now 44 Times More TV Coverage of Christie’s Traffic Scandal Than in Last Six Months on IRS

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2014/01/10/deluge-44-times-more-network-coverage-christies-traffic-scandal-last#ixzz2q2xPptVh

    Or premeditated murder, what with Obama sending troops to lose their lives in the A-stan in a cause he expected to fail, guaranteed to fail by announcing the withdrawal date, but figured he had to play politics with for his reelection chances.

    Or by causing cancer patients to lose access to their doctors because their plans were “junk” in the sense they didn’t meet his wealth redistribution requirements.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  283. You chase your tail over the latest MFM-manufactured GOP crisis du jour, Mr. feets.

    Excuse me if I don’t join you.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  284. Barack Obama robs people gunpoint with auto bailouts, takes hostages with Obamacare, leads the GOP on a high speed chase.

    MFM gets incensed over…GOP exceeding the speed limit.

    Mr. feets thinks sword of justice should fall swiftly on…GOP scoundrels.

    Film at 11.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  285. Yeah, Steve57. It does kind of sound like a pattern. And it benefits…whom?

    Let’s be clear: y’all can think and believe whatever you like. No cliques or cabals are involved.

    But I will never, ever understand helping the DNC with such rapid and reflexive enthusiasm. I’m more of a Reagan’s 11th Commandment kind of guy.

    Then, I’m not a cool, hip fellow. I just worry about the Supreme Court and the Senate.

    Simon Jester (909ee0)

  286. chris christie is helping the fascists debase American politics to where people don’t even blink at third world antics like what him and food stamp love to indulge in

    he’s a stupid jersey trash turd face

    happyfeet (c60db2)

  287. It’s not my Party, but I had this notion that the 11th commandment was in force following the convention.

    As a really extreme example, WTF is with permitting Colin Powell to parade around as a member of the Party in good standing? As long as he claims he’s a Republican you have to grant that he is one?

    Woolly PC thinking in my book. Keep your damn faction.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  288. Yeah, some folks here keep covering themselves with class and glory.

    To each their own.

    But I will finish with this: I hear a LOT of complaining about people who don’t met your standards, but not quite as much about who does—except the proven silliness that “most of America is hungering for a true conservative.” Meaning, of course, definied by your own definition. Which gets pretty narrow.

    Look, I don’t expect people to agree with me. But a lot more people feel the way I do than you do. That being said, it doesn’t take much of a split on the Right to allow the Left to win, again and again.

    So be all purity minded, so long as you are okay with the Left winning, over and over again. That’s cool. But a suggestion, not a command: try to spend the energy you have on supporting who you like instead of the childish insults and long term venom toward those you don’t.

    But that’s up to you. Speaking of cabals.

    Simon Jester (909ee0)

  289. most of America is hungering for a Double Cream Brie Sammich with Bacon, Smoked Onion, Bourbon Marmalade, and Candied Pecans

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  290. No, I don’t think so, maybe the Asiago Chicken Sandwich with Bacon,

    Crisis management does not seem to be his forte;

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/01/10/documents-raise-new-questions-in-christie-probe/

    narciso (3fec35)

  291. I get it now; Hf is an antisemetic.

    felipe (6100bc)

  292. Um, no offense to the real anti-semites.

    felipe (6100bc)

  293. Definition: antisemetic; a tonic or poultice to ward off anti-Semitism.

    is that about right?

    felipe (6100bc)

  294. you know who does yummy things with eggplants?

    semites!

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  295. And Vegans!

    felipe (6100bc)

  296. There’s nothing vegan about moussaka. And non-semitic Turks and former Turks do it pretty good, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  297. I realize that for a lot of the self-identifying “real” conservatives, one of their top objectives is to ensure that Chris Christie is not the GOP nominee in 2016.
    As a result, this bridge issue is too tempting to them. And so they throw in with the Left and the lamestream media in trashing Christie BEFORE the facts have come to light.

    The great irony is that the self-identifying “real” conservatives are the ones who are always pontificating about how they aren’t the ones motivated by partisanship or political strategy. But in fact, this rush to judgment by “real” conservatives to trash Christie is motivated by nothing more than strategy to nip Christie’s 2016 Presidential aspirations in the bud.

    We really need to cool our jets, sit down, drink a Martini, watch some playoff football, and wait for the facts to come to light.

    Overreacting and Machiavellian hatchet jobs are the domain of the Left and the Democrat party.
    We conservatives should have fidelity to truth and facts.
    And after the facts are revealed, the chips will fall.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  298. I have had more then a few issues with Christie, but this is warm near beer, that said, his management style leaves something to be desired,

    narciso (3fec35)

  299. narciso – I very much enjoyed Christie’s teacher union smackdowns and many other public performances, but most of what happens in the in the NYC Metro area is too inside baseball to give a crap about.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  300. To me the manufactured outrage from the right smacks of the same type and from the same folks over Christie’s actions in selecting a temporary replacement for Frank Lautenberg and his scheduling of the election of a new senator apart from the general election. SALT and SALY.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  301. well said Mr. Daley

    Jersey is a fetid swamp of low-class political cousin-lovin

    snookitrash greaseballs the lot of them

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  302. in mister unhappy’s nihilist world of lifeydoodles and doodlers, everyone is either a whore, a scum, a piggy, a coward, or trash
    yay, team !

    want some fries with that ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  303. LOOK, A SLIME COVERED SQUIRREL WITH THE FACE OF GEORGE WASHINGTON!!!!!!!

    Gotta love the bicoastal Democrat Media Industrial Complex.

    Is this a great country or what!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  304. WAIT—THAT SLIME COVERED SQUIRREL’S FACE HAS MORPHED FROM LOOKING LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON INTO LOOKING LIKE JAMES K. POLK !
    HOW CAN YOU EVIL REPUBLICANS JUSTIFY TALKING ABOUT OBAMACARE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND THE ECONOMY AND IRAN’S NUCLEAR CAPABILITY WHEN THE JAMES K. POLK SQUIRREL IS STARING YOU IN THE FACE !?

    riddle: Why did the slime covered squirrel that looks like James K. Polk cross the road bridge ?

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  305. Well the rabid squirrel, can be dangerous, unless approached at short distances,

    narciso (3fec35)

  306. Is any sort of consensus candidate or frontrunner starting to emerge from the Tea Party wing of the party and the radio hosts? I haven’t noticed one or heard about one. I think Simon @303 raised a very salient point which I wish someone would address. Who’s in the pool? Who is out there that is both qualified and so irresistibly perfectly conservative that he/she can bring the whole party as well as non-party independents together to eject the Democrats? Oh, and be able to survive the media microscope and lies, too. If such a person exists, that person had better emerge strong very very soon to organize and fundraise and campaign, and convince, because in many circles and minds Hillary! has already been inaugurated in another historic election. And this week’s news bilge and Pavlovian hysteria related to a governor and a port authority bridge scandal has just made Hillary’s coronation even more inevitable I fear.

    elissa (d43588)

  307. well, Daley, throwing schundler to the sharks, labor unions, was not as gratifying,

    narciso (3fec35)

  308. We didn’t ckufing breed the ckufing squirrel, it generated itself from Big Mac wrappers and 64 oz. slurpee cups and thrust itself into the national spotlight as the savior of the GOP. And now it has been found out, and that wasn’t none of our ckufing doing either. And it can’t be unseen no matter how much “ignore the little man fat squirrel behind the curtain slime” some people loudly shout.

    nk (dbc370)

  309. 303- Bill Whittle

    someone (31009b)

  310. fine. he’s toast. so who’s next to run the gauntlet?

    elissa (6d6a26)

  311. nk – Who made the ckufing Jersey Punkin into the Savior of teh GOP? The Democrat Media Industrial Complex? I am unaware of any Savior polls or their results.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  312. Col. West

    someone (31009b)

  313. nk – Stand still, I want to pull on that rope that goes through your nose ring a little harder, maybe tie it to the one that goes through gary krugman’s and mg’s.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  314. narciso – Who is schundler and why do I care?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  315. Educational secretary, reform mayor of Jersey,

    narciso (3fec35)

  316. Christine O’donnell 2016 !
    Or whatever.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  317. 328- Sorry daleyrocks, my wife has dibs on my shnoz.

    mg (31009b)

  318. 305. No, I don’t think so, maybe the Asiago Chicken Sandwich with Bacon,

    Crisis management does not seem to be his forte;

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/01/10/documents-raise-new-questions-in-christie-probe/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/10/2014 @ 8:31 pm

    I guess he should have stonewalled, not fired anyone, and then hired a highly partisan political donor to his campaign to investigate any wrongdoing by his administration.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/8/feds-pick-obama-supporter-lead-irs-tea-party-probe/

    That kind of crisis management style seems to satisfy the WH press corps.

    Surely it would satisfy these honest brokers who only pursue the truth without fear or favor if Christie were to do the same.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  319. nk – Who made the ckufing Jersey Punkin into the Savior of teh GOP? The Democrat Media Industrial Complex? I am unaware of any Savior polls or their results.

    I believe I wrote “it generated itself from Big Mac wrappers and 64 oz. slurpee cups and thrust itself into the national spotlight as the savior of the GOP.”

    I don’t see why you guys seem to be so invested in this balloon and upset at its deflation the way you seem to be. Yeah, “squirrel”, ok. Asked and answered in my previous comment.

    nk (dbc370)

  320. Bill Whittle makes my heart sing. I am not aware that he has expressed any desire or ambition to run for political office, however. Has he?

    elissa (6d6a26)

  321. nk,

    It is about truth and facts—not what we think about Christie as a “real” conservative, or whether we approved or not of the way he french kissed Obama vis a vis Hurricane Sandy right before the 2012 election.
    The truth and facts in the bridge issue have yet to be revealed, yet some of you good folks on our side of the aisle are too eager to pile on the Governor and cooperate with the Lamestream Media Smear Machine takedown.

    Let’s wait to see what facts are revealed prior to commissioning the construction of the Governor’s gallows.

    Elephant Stone (6a6f37)

  322. up until just last year I thought the gray squirrels were the really old ones

    nobody tells me anything

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  323. I don’t know if he has any plans to run for office, but this may portend something. In an hour he’s going to be appearing onstage with Ted Cruz at a rally here in north Texas.

    https://www.txfl.org/

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  324. Steve57- Wish I could attend that.
    Damn.

    mg (31009b)

  325. many of the people Chris Christie violated on that bridge were children

    CHILDREN

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  326. so, what you’re saying is, Mr Feets, is that the Jersey Blob closed the bridge for the chilrens?

    that makes it okay, last time i checked the progressive playbook, so why all the fuss over this?

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  327. ah well, feets, that’s what those chirren get for having lifeydoodles as parents, huh? otherwise–no chirren–no problema.

    elissa (6d6a26)

  328. 336. …It is about truth and facts—not what we think about Christie as a “real” conservative, or whether we approved or not of the way he french kissed Obama vis a vis Hurricane Sandy right before the 2012 election.
    The truth and facts in the bridge issue have yet to be revealed, yet some of you good folks on our side of the aisle are too eager to pile on the Governor and cooperate with the Lamestream Media Smear Machine takedown.

    Let’s wait to see what facts are revealed prior to commissioning the construction of the Governor’s gallows.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 1/11/2014 @ 2:25 pm

    I’m with you almost entirely, ES. As far as who gets to commission the governor’s gallows, though, I’m content to leave that to the people who elected him. And, no, I have no faith in their judgement. Which is why I never plan on living in New Jersey.

    The one entity that has no right to take part in the execution is the MFM, which has descended into self-parody in its gleeful pursuit over the scandal of Christie’s aids causing traffic jams.

    Normally we only see this sort of hypocrisy sequentially. When Bush was responsible for everything that happened on his watch. The MFM desperately tried to make it appear that Rumsfeld was personally directing the actions of England, Graner, and the other members of the MP company at Abu Ghraib. And of course Rumsfeld was doing W’s bidding.

    But the same MFM thinks it’s racist to expect Obama should be expected to know what’s going on across town at the IRS or what’s up with the internet portal to his signature legislation.

    But now at the same time the MFM is in full defense mode claiming it’s racist to hold Obama responsible for anything, the same MFM is claiming Christie is responsible for everything.

    Either they’re too stupid to see how enormous their biases are, or they think we are.

    The point is, Christie is one of their own. If the members of the press were ever going to vote for someone with an R after their name, Christie is it. And it’s likely seeing how many of them work in Manhattan that many did. So if they’ll do this to him, imagine what they’ll do to an actual Republican.

    If we lived in anything remotely approaching a sane world this would be an isolated incident that should be decided on the actual merits of the case. But we don’t. The people so eager to publicly try and execute Christie never look at the merits in these cases. It’s all about what’s good for their team and what hurts team R. First, last, and always. Anybody who thinks it’s ok to enjoy the media feeding frenzy because Chris Christie is a RINO and he’s getting exactly what he deserves, or worse gives the MFM any assist, needs to look in the mirror. They’re aiding and abetting the enemies of conservatives just as much as Christie ever did.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  329. christie wanted to govern like a thug

    drunk on corn dogs and power

    and govern likle a thug he did

    and if his jersey trash constituents get off on that then they can keep him around

    but sustaining this idea that we all have to make pretend that he’s still qualified to be president in spite of his low class thuggery takes a lot of energy

    i just don’t think corn dog boy or his fanclubbers have the energy, especially now that corn dog’s carefully-cultivated coterie of propaganda sluts have decided to throw him under the bus

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  330. govern *like* a thug he did I mean

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  331. 342. ah well, feets, that’s what those chirren get for having lifeydoodles as parents, huh? otherwise–no chirren–no problema.

    Comment by elissa (6d6a26) — 1/11/2014 @ 2:52 pm

    lifeydoodles make horrible parents. Decent, upstanding pro-abort types would never subject their kids to the living hell of a commute across the George Washington bridge. Or, for that matter, a governor like Christie.

    Best to terminate the pregnancy than to bring a kid into a world like that.

    People, if you can’t afford to live in the worker’s paradise of NYC you can’t afford the kid. Wake up.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  332. drunk on corn dogs and power, I could laugh into the next century on that line.

    mg (31009b)

  333. Yes, indeed. This really helps and advances the cause. It’s hip and edgy and so much cooler than, you know, people who actually do things to make things better. Being constructive is so boring.

    It’s much easier to put on weird faux-style, personal insults, and hide behind a clearly nasty personal style to act all ironic and cool.

    I sense someone who got picked on a lot in high school.

    Whatevs.

    Gosh, I would hate to be in one of those cabals that shuts other people up and trivializes real problems with juvenile insults and weirdness. That would be bad. Not hip at all.

    Oh, and then complain endlessly how bad things are while doing the above. I forgot that hip stylin’.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  334. Mr. feets, is the planet you live on in the same galaxy as Finkelman’s?

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  335. i live on the edge of the north hollywood arts district heading towards toluca lake

    for now anyways

    someday I’ll go back to America, largely for tax reasons

    I think Mr. Finkelman lives in New York

    which is not on the list of places you move for to improve your tax situation

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  336. No, I’d say if you wanted to improve your tax situation you’d avoid anyplace that just voted to put a Sandinista in charge.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  337. a lot of the disease our latter day republicans have caught comes from an idea promulgated by food stamp’s twin electoral victories: it’s the idea that any old p.o.s. whore can be president so we have no real basis for declaring anyone unqualified, especially if they’re a media celebrity like that one chick from alaska with the facebook page or corn dog soprano or marco rubio el cubano mas authentico.

    This is how we end up with a stage full of losers like the horny pizza boy and that deranged chick who kept screeching about tardasil.

    Fortunately I’m here to help guide you this time.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  338. Guide. Guide? Last time I had a “guide” it was in the Galapagos and she introduced us to all sorts of great animals, birds and reptiles. She didn’t just complain all day about the heat and how much iguana guano there was and tell us all to watch where we stepped. There is a lesson here for you happyfeet.

    elissa (6d6a26)

  339. you’ve been to the Kingdom of the Turtles????

    I’m so jealous.

    That’s on my bucket list for sure.

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  340. and that lesson would be that elissa likes iguana guano (say *that* ten times fast) on her feet. 8-)

    draw from that what you will…

    redc1c4 (abd49e)

  341. Neo-neocon making much sense, as per usual.

    http://neoneocon.com/2014/01/11/criticizing-christie/

    …Christie may be disliked by conservatives even more than he’s disliked by liberals. Conservatives attack him because they feel he’s not really one of them and is actually a betrayer or at the very least a potential betrayer. Liberals kinda sorta like him, I think, but they are eager to destroy him…

    …So editorials such as this one at Bloomberg News are perniciously hypocritical to the point of ludicrousness. If you want to see how a party apparatchik writes, take a look if you can stomach it.

    The trouble is that too many people read that sort of thing and swallow it whole without reflecting on the comparison between Christie and Obama, failing to notice the hypocrisy and inconsistency. The trouble is that not enough people think when they read. The trouble is that propaganda works. The editors at Bloomberg are counting on that.

    The only thing I would add is dislike Christie all you want. I don’t trust him, don’t like him, and I do think he betrayed the GOP. It’s a given he’d betray conservatives, but he even betrayed Mitt Romney! Nice guy or no, he’s no conservative. And East Coast liberal Republican Christie couldn’t even support him.

    But my attitude is I’m not going to dignify the anti-GOP propaganda effort by applauding it even when it goes after nominal Republicans I heartily dislike. People who lend legitimacy to the democratic operatives in the MFM and their smear campaign against Republicans ever, even if only occasionally, also betray the GOP. Thus making Christie’s GOP detractors who are enjoying the media lynching no better than Christie. They’re applauding the means of their own destruction.

    Steve57 (f8d67f)

  342. The numbers here seem to be one higher in my computer. What Steve57 says is Elephant Stone at 336, is 337 by me.

    273 – or maybe 272? Comment by Steve57 (f8d67f) — 1/10/2014 @ 2:12 pm

    He should have made a short statement,

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie issued a short statement on Wednesday, and then held a nearly 2 hour press conference on Thursday, and said nothing on Friday. I think he’s trying to figure out what went on.

    and then told the press that once they get to the bottom of why Obama always finds out what his administration is up to from TV

    That would have been cheap politics.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  343. i> Obama never fires anyone who lies to him or keeps him out of the loop,

    He seems never to fire anybody, except somebody who embarrasses him in the press like General Stanley McCrystal.

    Robert Gates said he didn’t want him to quit.

    And he also didn’t want General David Petraeus to quit as Director of the CIA. (Gates didn’t write that, it’s known) He never made any changes after the Benghazi attacks.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  344. I have to figure it was done on their own, because there is no upside to such a thing, and plenty of downside, that said Noonan is as silly as always,

    narciso (3fec35)

  345. i owe the GOP nothing it’s a weirdo collective of fetus-idolizing gay-bashing means testing nsa-fellating military fetishists what spend spend spend like whores whores whores

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  346. Well you got your wish, they don’t exist for all intents and purposes in California.

    narciso (3fec35)

  347. i’m not a californian Mr. narciso I just don’t have any skills people in real America are willing to pay for

    :(

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  348. you know what I bet would make chris christie feel better about all this?

    tots

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  349. a reasonable inference, still it suggests the french proverb, about ‘worse than a crime;

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/368176/new-scandal-same-old-christie-andrew-c-mccarthy

    narciso (3fec35)

  350. narciso-
    Your mission (theme music in the background) whether or not you chose to accept it,
    is to find a link to something that inspires us to press forward in the quest for truth and justice and what we once thought was the American way.
    The undocumented, unregistered, un-T-shirted cabal has spoken.
    Please.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  351. 361 Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/11/2014 @ 5:41 pm

    I have to figure it was done on their own, because there is no upside to such a thing,

    There may be some power broker behind it, but not Chris Christie. And there actually is almost certainly somebody else or something else.

    The August 13, 2013 e-mail cannot be the start of it. It is clear the subject of creating a traffic jam in Ft. Lee was previously discussed.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  352. I prefer “Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion”.

    nk (dbc370)

  353. It’s gotten very silly, when compared with the abbatoir that fast and furious has wrought, with the first murder of a US Ambassador in more then 30 years, with the slow motion disaster in the Near East and South Asia.

    narciso (3fec35)

  354. Indeed, worse than silly. I forget where, but someone compared the news coverage of bridgegate to the IRS scandal.
    In one way I don’t begrudge people talking about bridgegate, if people were so petty as to cause traffic problems to political opponents they should be held accountable,
    it’s just that we would like a little more holding accountable for things like dead ambassadors, dead border patrol agents, wars that are not believed in, major domestic policies that were lied about, etc.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  355. The time of Bridget Anne Kelly’s August 13, 2013 e-mail to David Wilkdstein is the one new fact I got from Peggy Noonan’s column.

    Otherwise we have no context for it. It’s just a single sentence ripped out of context.

    I have not seen any context quoted for this, not the sentence before, and not the sentence afterward, and not anything else she sent that day, and I don’t think anybody besides David Wildstein has seen it.

    That e-mail, I believe, with its redaction, was supplied by former Port Authority Director of Interstate Capital Projects David Wildstein in response to a subpoena where he was supposed to deliver anything relevant, as near as I can guess.

    It was first revealed in the Bergen Record on Wednesday, January 8, 2013 (although the New Jersey Assembly Transportation Committee had it) and he or his lawyer, did the redactions.

    He supplied e-mails – what he claimed was relevant – and redacted a lot.

    The media are not doing a good job of explaining where it all came from.

    I don’t think there’s any actual indication of what triggered it in what is public, and this accounts for the theory gaining prominence (it’s not just me – based on a hint by Gail Collins -and Rachel Maddow, but it was in the New York Post Friday and Saturday and mentioned on Channel 2 in New York.)

    The theory is that the real target was State Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg. This would be almost refuted if the Aug 13 e-mail was known to mention the mayor. So I suspect nobody has anything besides the key sentence, especially given that nobody has supplied a fuller quote.

    It’s David Wildstein and/or his lawyer who wants people to think it was about the mayor.

    The Weinberg theory has problems, (among them being that apparently nobody told Loretta Weinberg – perhaps it was designed to impress a third party) but fewer problems than the idea of this being about a failure of non-existent attempt to gain Ft. Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich’s endorsement of Chris Christies re-election as Governor.

    The Weinberg theory relates this to the battle over State Supreme Court justice nominees. In 2010, he did not reappoint sitting justice John e. Wallace Jr. Every judge had been routinely and automatically reappointed for the previous 60 years, although the Governor had the power not to do it.

    Democrats have rejected every nomination Christie has made since.

    On August 12, 2013, Governor Chris Christie announced that he would not renominate Justice Helen Hoens for a lifetime appointment, even though he liked her, because he said he didn’t want to let her loose to the animals. But he did not lambast Loretta Weinberg, but rather State Senator Raymond Lesniak, who had said he was going to fight Hoens’ appointment.

    Given everything they’ve done before, and the very bold and arrogant announcement by Senator Lesniak, I had to take them at their word. What the ramifications would be for that going forward, they should have thought about efore opening their mouths

    – Governor Chris Christie on August 12, 2013, according to Business Insider.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  356. The State Assembly released 900 more pages of e-mail on Friday, but that was from the Port Authority.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  357. You know it’s as if the run in that Vanderslip, Adelman, the functioning dealers in the Auto Task Force didn’t happen,

    narciso (3fec35)

  358. On August 13 at 7:34 am Christie deputy of staff Bridget Anne Kelly (who seems to have gotten her job through former Christie campaign manager, Bill Stepian, who seems to have been part of this thing, but who evidentaly was never asked about this by Christie, so he’s only blaming him for callousness when the bridge lane closing happened)
    wrote:

    “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee”

    and Port Authority Director of Interstate Capital Projects David Wildstein replied

    “Got It”

    If that’s the complete e-mail, there’s other e-mail that preceded it.

    It also clearly indicates this has been discussed before, and David Wildstein’s reply indicates he understands the coded message.

    This exchange cannot stand alone. Not only must be there something that triggered it, there must be prior discussion of possibly doing this.

    Also, this was probably an attempt to show power – which they didn’t in reality have, as the Goernor was not behind this. Wildstein’s and Baroni’s positions at the Port Authroity let them do ths, but not other things.

    I think it may even have been aimed not at anybody in Ft. Lee, not he state Senatr and certainly not the mayor, the urban legend too many people are ready to swallow, but at somebody else altogether, a la “Look what we did to X – see what can be done to you.”

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  359. Seriously, Maddow, who are you going to cite next Joan Walsh?

    narciso (3fec35)

  360. 231?. Comment by Steve57 (613188) — 1/9/2014 @ 11:12 pm

    But while the rest of the candidates interacted with the media as if they were dealing with honest brokers, Newt Gingrich knew better and what’s more called the MFM on it.

    He foundered when he had no good explanation for what did for Freddie Mac and Romney ran commercials in Florida about it. I wonder who alerted him to the issue and supplied him with the attack line..

    I am wondering if part of the problem was some kind of confidentality agreement, so Newt Gingrich couldn’t release his 2003 report.

    They probably hired him as a consultant not because they valued his advice, but to keep him neutral on the legislation they wanted.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  361. 376. Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/11/2014 @ 8:28 pm

    Seriously, Maddow, who are you going to cite next Joan Walsh?

    She may have good sources. (who know that the retaliation against the Ft. Lee mayor story has no real evidence behind it and also doesn’t make any sense.)

    The New York Post had this, too:

    http://nypost.com/2014/01/11/bridgegate-may-have-been-over-judge-fight/

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  362. What I don’t know is what exactly the New Jersy state constitution says about appointment to the New Jersey Supreme Court.

    There are now two vacancies.

    The latest news (January 3) is that Governor
    Christie dropped plans to nominate Robert Hanna for the Supreme Court, instead naming him a Superior Court judge, which I think requires no confirmation.

    I don’t think this is it either.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/nyregion/christie-nominates-2-justices-for-new-jersey-supreme-court.html?_r=0

    But he has been arguing with the Democratic-led Senate for two years, since he declined, against tradition, to renominate Associate Justice John E. Wallace Jr., the only African-American on the court. The move particularly outraged the Senate president, Stephen M. Sweeney, who was close to Mr. Wallace, and demanded that any replacement reflect the state’s diversity.

    Afterward, the Senate rejected Mr. Christie’s first two nominees to the court, raising questions about one’s qualifications and the other’s political affiliation….By unwritten rule, the seven-member court has maintained a rough political balance, with no more than four members of the same party as the current governor. Of the court’s five sitting justices, two are Democrats and two are Republicans, but Democrats have long counted the independent on the bench, Jaynee LaVecchia, as a Republican as well.

    “I don’t really know what more they could ask for at this point,” Mr. Christie said Monday, referring to Democrats in the Senate. “Their two main concerns have been partisan balance and diversity. These nominees respect both their concerns.”

    What they really want, of course, is justices who will rule a certain way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_New_Jersey

    The court also serves as something of a tie-breaker in case the twelve-member New Jersey Redistricting Commission fails to come to an agreement on who the 13th independent tie-breaking member will be following the decennial United States Census. … Once confirmed, Justices (and all state judges in New Jersey) serve for an initial term of seven years. After their initial term, the Governor may choose to nominate them for tenure, sending the nomination for tenure to the State Senate, which must again decide whether or not to grant advice and consent. Judges confirmed to a tenured position on the Court serve until they die, resign, retire or are retired, are impeached and removed, or reach the age of 70, at which point they are automatically retired.

    This fight apparently got going when Christie did not renominate someone after seven years.

    It is not correct that no nominee has bene confirmed since, but there have been lots of problems. There are temporary appointments. They are appointed by the the Chief Justice. On August 12, Christie had to drop plans to nominate a temporary justice. She left the court in October.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  363. Happyfeet @265 (or 264?)

    cause people just want to go home after work even if their home is in new jersey

    The logjam was on cars going east. Tolls are collected only going east. All the anes were merged into one, and that one only had an all cash toll booth – no EZ Pass.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  364. 274 or 273? Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 1/10/2014 @ 2:15 pm

    There was one official, Foles, who reopened the lanes, when he heard

    Port Authority Executive Director Patrick Foye, who was deliberately not informed of this by David Wildstein and company.

    He wrote a blistering memo at 7:44 am Froday September 13, 2013. (This was made public on Friday)

    It had been kept out of the media for 4 days. He had only found out after reading last night’s media pendings.

    He ordered it reversed immediately (as soon as it could be done safely.)

    He noted nobody had been informed, not the public, not Ft. Lee officials, himself, or the media. There was no proper process for this.

    That night was Yom Kippur and he would not allow them to delay the travels of those observing it, or the holidays that follow.

    And he thought it violated federal law and the law of both states, and he intended to get to the bottom of this.

    It violated everything the agency stands for, the PA process was wrongfully subverted and the public interest damaged to say nothing of the credibility of this agency.

    Foye asked his top spokeswoman how to get the word out, and Bill Baroni, the Deputy Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and Wildstein’s boss, and one of the gang who engineered this for reasons unknown e-mailed back that they needed to discuss this before any communications. Foye replied that “we are going to fix this fiasco” and Baroni said he was on the way to the office to see him and there can be no public discourse.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  365. steve57 @290 or 289:

    For all any of us know his aides did tell him that those lanes were closed because of a traffic study. For all we know there was a traffic study.

    Christie still had a hard time believing here wasn’t one. You would think also they would concocted one before the fact. They actually did this a little bit, bit he effort probably failed.

    It wasn’t just Christie who was told there was a study – Bill Baroni told this to everyone. He told this to a Sate Assmebly committee – but not under oath.

    On the 4th day of the traffic jam, the PA put out
    what it called an EARLY assessment noting it was causing traffic problems and ending: “Conclusions — to be determined.

    On Friday the 13th, the PA issued a statement:
    (authored by Baroni)

    The Port Authority has conducted a week of study at the George Washington Bridge of traffic safety patterns. We will now review those results and determine the best traffic patterns at the GWB. we will continue to work with our local law-enforcement partners.

    There actually were two small reports produced, bioth dated Thursday, September 12, the 4th day of this, one 6 pages, one 16 pages, and what they said was that when the lanes were closed, the main bridge traffic moved a bit faster, but local traffic had major delays.

    Here is an indication there was some attempt to create a traffic study before the traffic jam: (which probably failed)

    http://www.buffalonews.com/article/20140111/AP/301119989/1020

    There were emails from Port Authority contractors in late August on the mechanics and timing of a study.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  366. Elephant Stone @ 289. kim jong il’ is the previous dictator of North Korea. I wonder why books like “Escape From North Korea” are news.

    The only news should be some updating. Everybody knows nothing has changed since approximately 1948.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  367. 303. Let’s just high lite some moot points for proscription:

    Item 1: I hear a LOT of complaining about people who don’t met your standards, but not quite as much about who does.

    Item 2: the proven silliness that “most of America is hungering for a true conservative.”

    Item 3: a lot more people feel the way I do than [those who feel the way] you do.

    Item 4: So be all purity minded, so long as you are okay with the Left winning, over and over again.

    Perhaps some of you think these are winning arguments, but I guarantee they can not be satisfactorily concluded in our cumulative lifetimes.

    Howz about we just say BOOOSH and the racist SCOTUS stole an election and then the GOP ran with the guy who couldn’t beat Shrub, then the guy who couldn’t beat Maverick and now here’s a guy who couldn’t beat McBain(short of clearing the dais with a cheek flapper), etc.

    Am I wrong, are you not spiraling, POTUS-wise, into irrelevance? You cannot name anyone the GOP might run to reverse this trend.

    And you’re blaming the voter, the fickle, low-information, entitlement suckling, traitorous voter.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  368. Well there is a pattern, they ran the man who couldn’t beat Reagan, then the one who couldn’t bear Poppy. not an encouraging one,

    narciso (3fec35)

  369. To put it another way: If unifying the Right politically is hopeless there are other possible routes to arresting Amerikkka’s destruction.

    A by no means exhaustive list: a secession of states, counties and municipalities; military coup; civil anarchism by means of guerilla warfare, death squads, yada, yada.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  370. You cannot name anyone the GOP might run to reverse this trend.

    yes this is true but that’s cause Team R has a crappy bench of out of touch weirdos

    they’re so desperate they might even nominate some whore senator again

    god bless america

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  371. i’m a go do some civil anarchisms

    brb

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  372. The thing that I find so rigidly obtuse about the ‘moderate’ sheeple is that the one and only answer is always, “We absolutely have to do it our way, because its worked so well to date”.

    2 + 2 = 4 should hope to ever be so obvious.

    Totally.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  373. 384. Up above somewhere 1996 is shown to be the low ebb in turn out, Perot’s abortive second turn at ‘spoiling’ a GOP facial.

    You ever hear a Whig admit, “That one was on us. We didn’t give a sh*t and it showed. No one voted”?

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  374. Up above somewhere Stones is once again lamely trying to channel the ghost of O’Donnell.

    She was the GOP candidate versus Biden in 2006 when they didn’t have a ‘real’ candidate to run.

    DE runs a closed primary, only registered Whigs can vote for the sacrificial lamb. They chose the witch again, by 6%, going away.

    Il Douche learned how to dodge blame somewhere, but he’s no better than a Republican.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  375. ==To put it another way: If unifying the Right politically is hopeless there are other possible routes to arresting Amerikkka’s destruction.
    A by no means exhaustive list: a secession of states, counties and municipalities; military coup; civil anarchism by means of guerilla warfare, death squads, yada, yada.==

    Did you intend to say “assuring America’s destruction…..”?? China, Russia, Iran, and India (just to name a few of the larger actors) will all be sitting around doing what on the sidelines while America burns?

    Hmmm. On second thought perhaps at least attempting to unite the Right at the top is a frustrating but ultimately noble and better option. Now, back to Simon’s earlier point, who is out there who might be able to do it? Names please.

    elissa (5b28d4)

  376. The Serbian-Americans are up in arms, all three of them, over the “little Serbian” comment. They organized a protest but nobody showed up because they mixed up the date by thirteen days.

    Obligatory(?): Some of my best friends are Serbs.

    nk (dbc370)

  377. 391. 117. We accept joiners.

    Fortunately, China and Russia will be greatly exercised in their theatres. Not that we will escape their attentions.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  378. yes this is true but that’s cause Team R has a crappy bench of out of touch weirdos

    Happyfeet, you’re an interesting example to me of all the people out there, throughout America, who are socially-politically schizoid.

    You express such ire towards people for merely supporting the concept of traditional marriage, yet you often use the word “gay” in a pejorative way. You express indignation about the left/Democrats, including Obama, yet you sometimes seem more contemptuous of the right/Republicans.

    Sybil be thy name.

    ^ But my quip deserves a follow-up observation to you, hp. Your left-leaning biases, which can be found in humans worldwide, can easily lead to proving the saying “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.” And Obamanation — including our Nidal-Hasan-ized US military proudly flying rainbow-colored flags (while reports of male-on-male rape increase) — or Mexico, France or Greece, or Detroit, etc, etc, merely illustrates that phenomenon.

    Mark (58ea35)

  379. 393. Cont. OTOH, we know there won’t be joiners.

    But that’s Ok ’cause we won’t be saviours under any scenario.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  380. This is the COMPLETE transcript of Governor Chris Christie’s press conference on Thursday. I earlier only had an incomplete transcrpt from the Wall Street Journal (link at 258, or is it 257?)

    Christie hasn’t said anything more since.

    Contrary to what Mark Levin said, you can learn things from it.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  381. Really? With the notable exception of Lady Thatcher and perhaps a few others, women in upper level politics and government service so far have not impressed. And it pains me greatly to say that. I have been quite surprised and disappointed over all by the poor results generated by female politicians and female political appointees of both parties in America. It’s all the more surprising to me because many women have been able to achieve and maintain obvious success in operations and executive roles in business so I know it’s not a genetic lack of drive or intellect. Maybe politics just kills people’s souls.

    elissa (5b28d4)

  382. About Chris Christie’s being told there was a traffic study:

    GOV. CHRISTIE: I — OK, let me answer that, and then I’ll let you follow up. I don’t know what makes a legitimate traffic study. It’s not my area of expertise. And so I wouldn’t have a nose for that. I just wouldn’t. I don’t know what makes a legitimate traffic study. I’ve been told that sometimes they’re done live, sometimes they’re done by computer model. I’ve heard that in the professionals who’ve testified for the Port Authority. But you’d have to go to them to ask them what a legitimate traffic study is. I probably wouldn’t know a traffic study if I tripped over it….

    ….Q. You’ve said — you’ve said that — just a moment ago that sometimes this raises to the level of governors. There’s a report now that in fact you called Governor Cuomo to complain that your representative on the Port Authority board was asking too many questions — (inaudible) –

    GOV. CHRISTIE: Not true. Not true. I’ve denied that story before. That’s an old story. And Governor Cuomo has denied it as well. So it’s not true.

    Q: Governor, didn’t Pat Foye perjure himself when he said he didn’t believe this traffic study — (inaudible) — did he lie under oath — (inaudible) –

    GOV. CHRISTIE: I don’t — listen, I have no idea. But clearly, you know, there’s a difference of opinion between Senator Baroni and Pat Foye about the existence of a traffic study, and there seemed to me to be evidence that Senator Baroni showed of statistics and maps and other things about a traffic study.

    Now, this could go back to the nuance of what really constitutes a traffic study or not, and they may be arguing about some specifics and nuance that I’m not familiar with. But I certainly would not accuse Pat Foye of perjuring himself. I don’t. I’m not. I’m just telling you what I was told and what we saw before the legislature. But, you know, I certainly wouldn’t accuse Pat Foye of perjuring himself in any way.

    Q: (Off mic) — right? You still think everything he said was genuine and that he’s not in any way –

    GOV. CHRISTIE: Listen, I — guess what. I — after reading everything yesterday, I don’t know. But what I’m telling you is that that’s what I’ve been told; he seemed to display evidence for that at the time. But that’s now, because of the tone and tenor of these emails and text messages, that’s now — you know, all this stuff is something that I’m not going to warranty, because I don’t know, given some of this back and forth that went on between (all of them ?).

    Senator Baroni’s a very respected guy. He served in this building for a long time. I’ve known him for a long time. When he, you know, made his testimony, I would have no reason to believe that he wasn’t telling the truth. But obviously, from reading these emails yesterday, there was other stuff going on that I hadn’t been informed about.

    Bob.

    Q: Why didn’t you check back — (off mic)? You never called him to see –

    GOV. CHRISTIE: I never called him personally, no, but Baroni’s position continued to be that there was a traffic study, and he had a disagreement with Pat Foye about that. So, you know, they had a disagreement. That was pretty clear. And I didn’t think Bill Baroni was going to change his mind, because Pat Foye had already expressed those concerns in earlier written documents that he had — not he, but that someone had put out to the press.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  383. a president with boobies would be super historical though elissa

    you know who has boobies?

    Hillary Clinton!

    therefore for sure she should run for president

    so what Sarah Palin is saying is that now Team R needs to find someone with similar physical characteristics

    lots to think about here

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  384. elissa @ 399.

    With the notable exception of Lady Thatcher and perhaps a few others, women in upper level politics and government service so far have not impressed. And it pains me greatly to say that. I have been quite surprised and disappointed over all by the poor results generated by female politicians and female political appointees of both parties in America.

    They’re geerally not creative enough, and only people who depart from the script are really any good.

    In business, a person can be a success just doing well as a follower, although the best are innovators.

    There aren’t any female business innovators right now, except for Elizabeth Holmes.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  385. There aren’t any female business innovators right now, except for Elizabeth Holmes.

    filthy obamaslut marissa mayers is showing some signs of success at making something coherent out of yahoo

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  386. Last night, on Jeopardy, at about 7:15 pm there was an answer in Double Jeopardy – in the category 13-letter words for. I think it as 13-letter words for $3200. Whateverthe 4th category was. There seems to have been an inflation in Jeopardy Answers worth.

    The Answer was something like: Chris Christie was the winner in this kind of an election in 2009.

    The question obviously, was: What is Gubernatorial?

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  387. Actually, tho I am as superficial as anyone here, I was not thinking boobies, hotness over cankles, pudenda in any configuration(NTTIATWWT) whatever.

    As to performance, well, talk about backhanded compliments, as a man I’m not proud but that does not mean I can’t be embarrassed.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  388. Just to be clear, conservatives in 2016 are not merely wasting their time courting the Lamestream and the GOP, they can easily kill any chance they might have.

    It’s analogous to walking into a hospital during flu season and breathing the air or touching anything.

    gary gulrud (e2cef3)

  389. Governor Christie says he didn’t really know David Wildstein:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-chris-christies-news-conference-on-george-washington-bridge-scandal/2014/01/09/d0f4711c-7944-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html

    GOV. CHRISTIE: Well, let me just clear something up, OK, about my childhood friend David Wildstein. It is true that I met David in 1977 in high school. He’s a year older than me. David and I were not friends in high school. We were not even acquaintances in high school. I mean, I had a high school in Livingston, a three-year high school that 1,800 students in a three-year high school in the late ’70s, early 1980.

    I knew who David Wildstein was. I met David on the Tom Kean for governor campaign in 1977. He was a youth volunteer, and so was I.

    Really, after that time, I completed lost touch with David. We didn’t travel in the same circles in high school. You know, I was the class president and athlete. I don’t know what David was doing during that period of time. And then we reacquainted years later in, I think, 2000 when he was helping Bob Franks with his Senate campaign against Jon Corzine.

    So we went 23 years without seeing each other, and in the years we did see each other, [before that? - SF] we passed in the hallways. So I want to clear that up. It doesn’t make a difference except that I think some of the stories (that’ve been written imbued?) like an emotional relationship and closeness between me and David that doesn’t exist. I know David and, you know, I knew that Bill Baroni wanted to hire David to come to the Port Authority, and I gave my permission for him to do it, but that was Bill’s hire. He asked for permission, I gave my permission for him to hire David. But let’s be clear about the relationship, OK?

    And how do I feel about David now? Listen, what I read yesterday makes me angry. That’s the one bit of anger I felt. That language and that callous indifference in those emails from David yesterday, are just over the top and outrageous. It should never, ever have been written or uttered by somebody with a position of responsibility like that, and those sentiments.

    So that’s the way I feel about it, and thanks for the opportunity to further expound on my relationship.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  390. he lies every bit as fluidly and passionately as clintontrash does

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  391. http://www.northjersey.com/news/Watergate_parallels_are_clear_in_GWB_scandal_but_differences_are_vast.html?page=all

    Still, the reasons behind the lane closures are not entirely clear. Christie has said he does not believe they were related to last year’s election because none of his aides ever mentioned Sokolich. The mayor has said he wasn’t asked to make an endorsement.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  392. The e-mail that Bridget Anne Kelly sent to David Wildstein on August 13, 2013 was sent from her Yahoo Mail account.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  393. 408. Comment by happyfeet (8ce051) — 1/12/2014 @ 2:37 pm

    he lies every bit as fluidly and passionately as clintontrash does

    There’s adifference between somebody lying and somebody telling the truth, and I don’t think the Governor of New Jersey is lying here.

    There’s every reason to believe he really only Wildstein because they had both volunteered in the same campaign in 1977, not because they went to the same high school, although that was maybe an important factor in why they both wound up working out of the same campaign office. And he next really met him in the 2000 campaign. Christie does not have abig record of lying.

    The statement that Wildstein was a year ahead of him is probably true, because it can be checked, and if he was a year ahead of him, he’s not likely to have known him too well. The statement he was Baroni’s appointment makes sense, because Baroni was probably more of a ringleader here, and Baroni has a record of dishonesty – and it is reasoable that Christie, who didn’t spend his hole life in local politics didn’t know this.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  394. The text that we have comes from a printout of a message from David Wildstein’s GMail account.

    We don’t the message Bridget Anne Kelly sent to him, but only his reply, where the sentence about Ft Lee is quoted back:

    Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee

    You can see it here:

    http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1003328/wildstein-documents.pdf

    Probably that was her whole message, because it lookks like their individual messages may have been mostly one-liners, even maybe when not sent from a cell phone.

    So he didn’t edit it down, but something must have preceded it, of course.

    Davud Wildstein replied two minutes later:

    Got it

    We further have:

    On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 5:08 pm David Wildstein write to Bridget Anne Kelly:

    Call when you have a chance re: Ft. Lee – can wait for tomorrow

    You see, they are careful not to be too explicit in e-mail. They don’t say exactly what.

    She teklls him ok. And she’s away with kids. And will call in the morning. Wildstein says not urgent, it just has to be by Tuesday (Sept 3 – the day after Labor Day) On Augst 30 she writes she will call in about an hour. Wildstein says that will be the highlight f his day and she says he’s way too obnoxious and explains she’s bby Bill Van Dyke’s wake. Wildstein says there’s no sarcasm, and ge genuinely like Bill Van Dyke and he was one of the easiest candidates he ever had. (to manipulate?)

    On Sept 7 David Wildstein wrote Bridget Anne Kelly saying he wll call Monday AM to tell her how Ft Lee goes. That morning he went out to the site, and stayed there till about 8:30.

    You also learned that they are going too tell the mayor of Springfield that the GOV has approved
    $60k for their traffic study. Apparentkly a real one.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  395. Sammy if you weren’t naive you would be called Sam, right?

    You understand this, yes?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  396. No.

    Sammy Finkelman (28600b)

  397. yeah i was just kidding

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  398. The NY Times says an ex-Port Authority officials says Christie knew about the lane closings at the time.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  399. This strikes me as bad news for Chris Christie, because Wildstein was his hand-picked man for the Port Authority job so Christie will have a hard time claiming this is a partisan stab-in-the-back. Also, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this comes out right after the Port Authority refused to pay Wildstein’s legal fees. Politics is a dirty business.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  400. i’m so sick of chris christie and his never-ending spew of lies

    happyfeet (c60db2)


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