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7/28/2012

If “You Didn’t Build That” Bothers You, You’re a Racist

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 4:42 pm



Successful business? You didn’t build that!

Mad Obama said that to you?

Then you’re a racist.

P.S. Chait hastens to add he doesn’t really think you’re a racist — or, to be even more clear, you are a racist, but everybody is and you can’t help it.

I think Chait is a racist for seeing every policy disagreement as driven by race. But it’s not really his fault. So many liberals are racists in the same way, he can’t help it.

294 Responses to “If “You Didn’t Build That” Bothers You, You’re a Racist”

  1. Racists

    Patterico (ce4cef)

  2. Liberals are the only people who hear the dog whistles. If one disagrees with the positions this president takes and the policy he promulgates, it does not then follow that one is racist.

    Chait is a desperate moron.

    Colonel Haiku (9a2d67)

  3. The fact that the Obama fans can’t even stand criticism based on Obama’s own words tells us a lot about their rationality.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  4. Mark, please call your office.

    :)

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  5. Chait did not write that
    I say it’s written for him
    will Chait take teh bait?

    Colonel Haiku (9a2d67)

  6. .

    I think Chait is a racist for seeing every policy disagreement as driven by race. But it’s not really his fault. So many liberals are racists in the same way, he can’t help it.


    The psychological term you’re looking for is “projection“.

    Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gold Lining Detection Specialist (8e2a3d)

  7. I am totally being serious when I say that whole days go by when I don’t think about Obama’s race; but then I’m regularly reminded of it by some liberal nimrod who brings it up.

    In my experience, it is never brought up by conservatives: only by liberals who are flinging ad hominums or engaging in special pleading.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  8. Meanwhile, wasn’t it Morgan Freeman who said he wished there was a black man in the White House instead of Obama?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  9. You know that immediately before and after that sentence there was, you know, context. Are we choosing to ignore the context? Or are we stomping our feet and hrumphing in spite of it? Also, immediately after this sentence he begins with “the point is…” then reiterates the actual point he is trying to make. The least you could do is acknowledge that that may in fact be his point. If you were arguing in good faith anyway. But I guess only the sockpuppet liberals have to do that here. The conservatives are allowed to be as mandydouchtery as they wish.

    tye (ba133c)

  10. teh tyena howls
    puts muzzle to carrion
    barks at effin m00n

    Colonel Haiku (9a2d67)

  11. I love it when Tyke, and its ilk, get all “high-groundy” when hoist by their own petard. Priceless.

    Gazzer (1f4f23)

  12. Oh look! A liberal who is flinging ad hominums and engaging in special pleading!

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  13. teh tyena b*tch
    birthed five strong li’l pups but tye
    he was afterbirth

    Colonel Haiku (9a2d67)

  14. The context makes his point quite clear. And makes the attempts to claim out if context even more laughable. There are lots of smart people. Lots of hard working people. Government gave you the tools you needed. Raising govt above the individual.

    JD (c6fade)

  15. You know I’m right so you insult me. Beautiful. You are demonstrating your “good faith” double standard

    tye (ba133c)

  16. we know you’re a weak suck, tyena. You’ve provided ample evidence and you can’t uncook teh g00se.

    Colonel Haiku (9a2d67)

  17. 14- run along and find what he said after “the point is…” because it was his actual point.

    tye (ba133c)

  18. 14- a majority of businesses would fail without roads. You disagree?

    tye (ba133c)

  19. The real reason Chait’s a racist is because he thinks it’s obvious that Obama was talking “black” with that statement. I honestly don’t know what Chait is talking about…but Chait sure seems to.

    Sonic Charmer (ed0201)

  20. It is bad faith to use the President’s exact words.

    JD (395555)

  21. The biggest challenge of arguments like Chait’s is that there is a large amount of truth to what he says. It is manifestly true that Obama ran for office as an African-American; that he has intentionally tied his racial identity tightly to his career and performance of his office. The cynic in me thinks that he did this solely so that he can deflect any criticism as racism. It’s his go-to tactic, and he depends upon the fact that he’s worked very hard so that when people look at them they see an African-American first, and the President of the United States second, (or third, perhaps behind Democratic Party Leader).

    That’s what I mean when I say that Chait’s argument has some truth to it; Obama and his party never let him just be a man who will stand or fall, succeed or fail based on his abilities and his judgement. They insist that he’s the African-Americal President first and foremost, because it allows them to cast all criticism as racism.

    I realize now that I’m starting my third paragraph how obvious this sounds; but since the topic of this post is Chait’s article, I thought I’d underline what I think is going on here. Others, I’m sure, will have more insight.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  22. 20- actually I’m arguing the opposite. Use his full exact words in context.

    tye (ba133c)

  23. tye,

    Taypayers, not government, paid for those roads. Specifically, private builders and user fees paid for 51% of the roads and the top 50% of Americans paid the rest.

    Now, why are you trying to change the subject from racism? Is this a sensitive subject for you?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  24. And I pointed out that the full context strengthens our position, and makes you look like more of a drooling booger-eating clown than you already are.

    JD (395555)

  25. Pious – they are rendering the r-word meaningless.

    JD (395555)

  26. Good point, Pious.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  27. DRJ – but but but but but uh huh um huh uh the government paid for it !!!!

    JD (395555)

  28. But uh but huh um um uh FDR and the New Deal !!!!

    JD (395555)

  29. What DRJ said. Where in the heck does tye think the money comes from that funds those roads? Money trees?

    It’s the old lefty either/or argument. Because the right believes people can be successful with a minimal amount of government intervention, that must mean they hate the government.

    Just because we disagree with the President, we are racists. Crappy strawman arguments are boring.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  30. Barry O is clean and articulate.

    JD (395555)

  31. Doesn’t the government collect those taxes drj? Sounds like we have the same point.

    tye (ba133c)

  32. Chaitred just deserves to be slapped with a giant halibut, now this particulat notion, comes from
    a Rush, calls George Wackoff, rhymes with,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  33. Doesn’t the government collect those taxes drj? Sounds like we have the same point.

    Not even effing close to the same point.

    JD (395555)

  34. Pious,

    Excellent points.

    Obama and his party never let him just be a man who will stand or fall, succeed or fail based on his abilities and his judgement. They insist that he’s the African-Americal President first and foremost, because it allows them to cast all criticism as racism.

    This comes into conflict in the real world where voters disagree with him strictly on policy. He is unable to deflect or accept that. The pre-programmed manipulation of using race to benefit him at most junctures simply doesn’t work with honest disagreement of policy. Therefore, when he and his co-horts cry the go-to default accusation of racism when it’s clearly not, they continue to diminish true racism and weaken their own positions.

    It’s ironic how manipulation eventually comes full circle and eventually bites the user in the butt. Hopefully on the first Tuesday of November.

    Dana (292dcf)

  35. The government is answerable to the people.

    Calling someone racist without evidence is the same as saying “shut up.” Saying “shut up” does not mean you are correct. It’s just an excuse to not answer.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  36. The government is answerable to the people.

    Calling someone racist without evidence is the same as saying “shut up.” Saying “shut up” does not mean you are correct. It’s just an excuse to not answer.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  37. There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back.  They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own.  You didn’t get there on your own.  I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
     
    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    JD (395555)

  38. Racism has lost its meaning to progressives. They diluted the term to use it for a progressive political agenda. note when they call people against palestinians racist. I think it was a euroweenie thing originally.

    scable (40a8c6)

  39. I like posting twice. I will continue to do so until morale improves.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  40. …and I always read your comments twice, Ag80.

    Dana (292dcf)

  41. “You know I’m right so you insult me. Beautiful. You are demonstrating your “good faith” double standard”

    Good thing tye is immune to irony, or the irony of his having written the above would be fatal.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. tye, do you know who built the roads that lead to my house? The builder did. Do you know who built the roads that lead to my office? The office builder did. Do you know who built the sewer lines that lead from my house? The builder did. The water lines? The builder did.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  43. See, morale is improving already. Thanks dana.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  44. SPQR – they didn’t design the roads, nor construct them. They took other people’s money, and by using an archane and inefficient bidding system, imposed silly specs and spent too much money for private contractors to do the work.

    JD (395555)

  45. As JD illustrates above, the full context only reinforces that Obama’s point was exactly the one we are ridiculing.

    And it reinforces that Obama hates people who create businesses, hates people who actually create ideas, development new markets, and people who actually take risks.

    Obama loves people who use cronyism to get government to create monopolistic markets, loves people who use taxpayer money to take “risks” and loves people who suck off the government teat (e.g., the mythical Julia ad campaign).

    SPQR (26be8b)

  46. I constantly find myself reasoning with the 4-year old, explaining my thinking behind “No”.

    The response is often, “Why” until dusk.

    Obviously many of you have done better. But, in the case of liberals, I have no vested interest in their growing up, I know that won’t happen.

    I pledge to let my “No” stand on its own.

    “No, FO.”

    Well pretty much.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  47. A builder called Rush to explain to the president that he did indeed build the roads. Our president doesn’t or his ideology prevents him from comprehending this.

    CALLER: Wonderful firm. Let me say that our president is totally clueless on business. He’s absolutely ignorant when it comes to roads and bridges. I have developed thousands of lots in southeastern Michigan. I have built over 5,000 homes, and I’m not alone. All across our nation, people have done exactly the same thing. Thousands of developers and builders.

    RUSH: Right. And you built the roads, too, didn’t you?

    CALLER: That’s right. All the subdivisions that people drive on, that was risk-reward.

    RUSH: You built the roads and the bridges to get ’em to the houses that you built for ’em.

    CALLER: Well, I built, as an example, two miles of a road called 22 Mile Road. I built those miles of road because it tied up enough land to create the value. You’re gonna create that infrastructure and spend a million dollars on a road. Why let somebody else buy the adjacent land after you put the improvements in, if you can afford to tie it up?

    RUSH: This is an excellent, excellent point. Forget businesses. Homes, subdivisions, the roads that get to ’em, and the developers that build ’em. It’s like Romney says: Obama’s whole philosophy is upside down. It does not comport with the American experience. He’s never been taught the American experience. He has been taught to resent it and to dislike it. He has no idea what it is, and as such, he cannot relate to it.

    He just cannot.

    Dana (292dcf)

  48. JD, I think that tye does not understand that the bulk of infrastructure in cities and suburbs is built by the developers who construct homes and shopping centers at the time of construction and expansion. Government’s involvement is usually solely that of mandating that in zoning codes, etc.

    My comment was to illustrate that – literally in the case of my home and my office – that the supporting infrastructure was not created by government but built by the builder and paid for by me, when I bought my home and leased my office.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. In the subdivision in which my home is located, even the elementary and middle school was built by and paid for by the home builder.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  50. From Chait:

    The key thing is that Obama is angry, and he’s talking not in his normal voice but in a “black dialect.”

    This isn’t exactly the truth; in fact, it’s exactly a bald-face lie. He tells this lie because he knows that 99.99% of his readers are reading Obama’s words, so he asserts that he wasn’t using his normal voice.

    The vanishingly-small percentage of people who watched the whole video and who know that Obama was talking his normal flat “Kansas” (?) accent are far outnumbered by innocent folks who may be fooled by this falsehood.

    Does it matter? Sure it does: it’s pretty much the only thing Chait can say to tie “blackness” to the quote. It underpins his whole argument.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  51. What is a Kansas accent, and when would he have lived there long enough to develop said accent?

    JD (395555)

  52. Apropos of nothing, does anybody recall this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnDOpD7isYk

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  53. 43- and the money that paid for those road building materials and labor costs was allocated by the government. I could make the same,exhaustive point five times like you tried to do but I will assume that you don’t need it.

    tye (ba133c)

  54. JD – I don’t think there’s an accent that your average American would identify as a Kansas accent, the way they would identify a Boston accent, or a Brooklyn accent.

    In this case, I think that Chait may have actually done something clever: an accent as flat as Kansas might be described that way.

    Maybe it’s a metaphor. Or a simile. No, a metaphor.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  55. Allocated our tax dollars, taken from the evil actual tax payers. Good Gawd, you are dense.

    JD (395555)

  56. tye:

    Doesn’t the government collect those taxes drj? Sounds like we have the same point

    … and the money that paid for those road building materials and labor costs was allocated by the government

    Collecting and allocating taxes is not the same as building something. It’s like managing something.

    Your position is like saying the management company that collects the rent is the same as the people who built and own the apartment complex.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  57. 43- and the money that paid for those road building materials and labor costs was allocated by the government. I could make the same,exhaustive point five times like you tried to do but I will assume that you don’t need it.

    Tye thinks every road and all infrastructure is a gift from govt. how cute.

    JD (395555)

  58. 52. I guess the elder Dunhams originally hailed from Kansas. Since the little bastard was raised slept under their roof through his formative choom years tyena Chait figures he speaks as a Kansan would.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  59. Mr. Gulrud’s correct: Obama’s maternal grandparents were from Kansas, and Obama’s mother was born and partly reared there. But the family moved to Washington State by the time she was in high school. Obama’s mother moved to Hawaii for college, IIRC, and her parents followed her there a few years later.

    Obama’s connection to Kansas is … non-existent, except through relatives.

    Beldar (8554bf)

  60. There were businesses before there were government-funded highways. Funny how that happened.

    tye,you do know you just said what everyone is criticizing the President for, right?

    Bureaucratic allocation of our money can be good, but that doesn’t detract from the time, talent and hard work of an individual business owner.

    Stop pretending otherwise. Putting government on a pedestal akin to God is a dangerous proposition. If you don’t see that, you deserve the results.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  61. (Peggy Noonan and I both wrote in 2008 about Obama’s and McCain’s “placelessness.”)

    Beldar (8554bf)

  62. 57- you’re splitting hairs.

    tye (ba133c)

  63. Thanks, that is what I was driving at. The idea that there is a Kansas accent is silky enough, but projecting said make believe onto Obama is hysterical.

    JD (395555)

  64. Splitting hairs means that tye has no response.

    JD (395555)

  65. Tye-

    John Moses Browning built this on spec and sold it to the government. And its back! Yesssss!
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/28/marines-pay-22m-to-go-back-to-their-old-guns-colt-45-caliber-pistols/?test=latestnews

    Angelo (3936b0)

  66. Beldar — What a terrific post. I can’t believe I missed it 4 years ago but I’m so glad you linked it today. It’s still very timely.

    tye — No, I’m not.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  67. More of Obama’s brilliant economic understanding can be found here – again in his own words.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  68. DRJ, the troll is just being a troll. Not worth your time. But yes, the Beldar post is very nice!

    Simon Jester (52ca2e)

  69. And no, tye, the government did not pay for the road building materials. That was paid by the developer, on his own risk that he’d make money selling the homes he built in the development.

    You really don’t have any clue how the real world works? You are the perfect Obama voter – clueless about reality just as Obama is.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. Oh … see also my 2008 post entitled simply, Not from Kansas. Perhaps Chait was misled by the WaPo.

    Beldar (8554bf)

  71. OK, I’m going to come out of the closet. I work for a local governmental agency. That feels good to say.

    We recently used taxpayer money to built a huge new project. Every penny from that project came from hard-working people giving back to their community.

    But, we, as a governmental agency, could only oversee the project from a fiduciary responsibility perspective. We do not have the knowledge or staffing to complete such a project.

    The hard labor came from private contractors and their employees. The concept and design came from private companies. Every cent was spent on private enterprises that can do the things the government cannot.

    This project provided hundreds, if not thousands, of people with a paycheck. I am proud we took the initiative to do this project. We could not have done it, though, without the labor and expertise of free-enterprise and the benefits of many more who pay taxes and are willing to back bond issues.

    You see, the money for that project came from hard-working people taking the chance that the government might do a good job. If we don’t, then we should be held accountable.

    So, tye, please stop with the wonders of government claptrap. Unless you want to admit the wonders of government are built on the backbone of free-enterprise.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  72. Sorry about the typo. “Build,” not “built.”

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  73. Ag80, my friend, confession is good for the soul, but you need not apologize if your paycheck comes from Uncle Sam, so long as you actually earn it.

    As I tell people who give me a back-handed compliment about being a lawyer — people who’ve said something like, “Gee, for a lawyer, you’re pretty honest”:

    It’s like the ‘Wizard of Oz.’ When the flying monkeys are chasing you, you have to remember that there are both good witches and bad witches. The key is being careful who you pour the bucket of water onto.”

    Beldar (8554bf)

  74. Ditto what Beldar said, Ag80.

    We need honest people doing an honest day’s work in private enterprise and in government, but that may be especially true in government because it impacts us all.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  75. Beldar, I read your stuff from way, way back in the day. Thanks for the comment.

    I don’t apologize for what I do, but I do know who pays my salary.

    I think that perhaps, as the President, tye does not understand how this nation works. Maybe the both do, but evidence points otherwise.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  76. Last thought on Obama and Kansas, and his 2008 TV ads which implied (falsely) that he was from Kansas:

    Obama’s grandparents also lived in several small towns in Texas while their daughter (Obama’s mother) was young. So why do you suppose it is that Team Obama wanted to pretend Obama is from Kansas instead of from Texas? After all, he has exactly the same connection with both states, i.e., that his maternal grandparents and his mother lived there when Obama’s mother was a young child, many years before his conception and birth.

    My first theory was that Obama was afraid he might spontaneously combust if he pretended to be from Texas. But after watching him tell whopper after whopper, he’s obviously not afraid of spontaneous combustion or being struck down by a bolt of lightning. Now I think it’s just a Gail Collins-type generalized Texa-phobia.

    Beldar (8554bf)

  77. Any disagreement means you’re a racist – – – Is this some of that ‘white priviledge’ idiocy blended in with the ‘you didn’t build that’ idiocy revealing the sum-total prog socialist-marxist calculus?

    Patriot_legion (724216)

  78. Pawlenty: Obama is all foam and no beer.

    elissa (ee87eb)

  79. @tye the turd;

    Name one government entity that produces a profit of any sort. Then tell me what those profits go for….

    Kevin P. (97b78a)

  80. Drj you are indeed splitting hairs. The fact is that the government managed the process of having the roads built. You just want to play the semantics game because you think somehow it proves your right wing argument.

    tye (ba133c)

  81. 70- okay you are referring to an access road to a housing development. Sounds like a major shipping route… #sarcasm

    It is cute that you think that coming up with one example of a riad not built by the government proves your right wing point; it doesn’t.

    tye (ba133c)

  82. tye,

    I know you are trying to equate building and managing because you’ve lost the argument about whether government or taxpayers and investors/businesses build things in America. Providing the money to build something is not the same as managing the collection and disbursement of that money. In our property-based system, the former is what owners or investors do. The latter is a service that has no ownership rights.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  83. In other words, government provides a service. President Obama and you seem to think that service is as valuable as building the entire system. But there would be nothing for the government to manage without funding from taxpayers and private interests.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  84. Maybe “government” building roads was true at the time of the Roman republic, when Roman law did not allow Roman citizens to be taxed*, and public works were financed by the loot brought back by the legions. But roads now are built with the sweat, and sometimes blood, of working men and women, which the government taxes and then redistributes.

    *Except for a tax on spinsters to equip the cavalry. Go figure.

    The fact is that Obama was talking about himself. Everything he has was obtained for him by others. He is a talentless zero. Michelle supported him because he was worthless as a lawyer; Emil “I’m going to make myself a Senator” Jones, put him in the Senate; the Chicago Machine put him into the Presidency because he was a good boy who did what he was told. He has always lived off the sweat of others and needs to justify his parasitism.

    nk (875f57)

  85. The point is that businesses owe a large part if their success to infrastructure that was built because of the government. No disputing that.

    tye (ba133c)

  86. 85- you have no proof for that “fact”.

    tye (ba133c)

  87. Manic mendoucheous tye is so cute.

    JD (395555)

  88. Though to stay “on topic”, being especially obtuse and taking someone out of context to deliberately distort his meaning is not racist in this case.

    tye (ba133c)

  89. Businesses owe a debt to the taxpayers and private interests that funded prior innovation and infrastructure, and the inventors who had the innovative ideas. Businesses only owe government if government management is the only way to create innovation and infrastructure, and I don’t think it is. In fact, government management is so corrupt and top-heavy that it impedes growth.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  90. The fact is that the government managed the process of having the roads built.

    Managing a process does not equate to building/doing something outside of leftist collectivist mindsets.

    JD (395555)

  91. Pious Agnostic hit the nail squarely on the head. When you distill Obama his only distinction is that he is the first black President. His supporters know that, whether they admit it publicly or not. No criticism of his worthlesness can be deflected by pointing to any other accomplishment, therefore all criticism is racist.

    nk (875f57)

  92. Good summary, nk.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  93. Wouldn’t have been built without it biff.

    tye (ba133c)

  94. I will concede that the railroads could not have been built if the government had not ceded to private railroad companies the right of eminent domain, but that was because the railroad tycoons bought enough legislators and judges with the money they had made. And the Army did encourage and protect the buffalo hunters because starving the Plains tribes was government policy. But the railroads were responsible for the cost and risk of actually building; and the buffalo hunters risked both their lives and their investments on the existence of a market for their hides. (The Industrial Revolution needed strong leather for machine belts in the factories, so it turned out ok.)

    nk (875f57)

  95. Money, not government, builds roads. Government has access to a lot of money but it isn’t the government’s money.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  96. They are stewards, correct drj. Again you are using word play in an attempt to support your ill conceived argument. One could argue that it isn’t your money either, it is God’s. Should I be more concerned with what Obama does with God’s money than what Romney does with God’s money? Makes that stupid right wing quip meaningless when viewed through the prism of religion.

    tye (ba133c)

  97. Putting government ahead of God and capitalism? The socialist’s trifecta.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  98. That was more moronic than usual, tye. Good job.

    JD (395555)

  99. Activism is surfing the wave:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/10-trillion-m2-now-rearview-mirror

    Whats Reynolds say? “Things that can not continue forever don’t.”

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  100. 100- that just means my point is beyond your grasp.

    99- adorable. Calling the Democratic party socialist. The socialist party is actually socialist and you should ask one of its members whether the president is socialist. Hint- the answer is no.

    tye (ba133c)

  101. They are stewards, correct drj. Again you are using word play in an attempt to support your ill conceived argument. One could argue that it isn’t your money either, it is God’s. Should I be more concerned with what Obama does with God’s money than what Romney does with God’s money? Makes that stupid right wing quip meaningless when viewed through the prism of religion.

    Comment by tye

    While you were raging I believe you missed the point. One of the major differences between democrats and republicans is that democrats spend much more money than republicans. They are worse stewards of resources and our future.

    It is true that the republicans are not conservative enough on spending either, but they at least were willing to obey the law and pass a budget. The democrats in the Obama era have simply been reckless.

    Your reaction to DRJ is to call her accurate point a ‘stupid quip’ because you do not take these issues seriously. That Obama has squandered so much of the future’s wealth is not a stupid quip.

    Dustin (73fead)

  102. 97. “They are stewards.”

    Three stewards, each given a talent to invest, the last burying it in the ground, answered his master: “Because I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow.”

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  103. DRJ did not call the Dmocrats or President Obama socialists, tye. She noted that you just elevated government ahead of God and capitalism.

    JD (395555)

  104. 102. Massive crainorectal infarction.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  105. When a cat plays with a mouse, it’s a cruel thing to watch. The mouse doesn’t have a chance; it twists and squirms for the cat’s amusement until, mercifully, it dies and the cat loses interest.

    What’s different here is that it isn’t the mouse that dies, it’s the thread.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  106. 97. “Again you are using word play in an attempt to support your ill conceived argument.”

    If not the most infallibly honest person here, DRJ is always in the running.

    You, dribble cup, are the least of the least.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  107. gary,

    Mayor Daley had the guts, talent and energy to reap where he did not sow — thief. Obama is more the “garner where you did not winnow” type — beggar. 😉

    nk (875f57)

  108. 110. Nice turn, Sir.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  109. Three stewards, each given a talent to invest, the last burying it in the ground, answered his master: “Because I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow.”

    Comment by gary gulrud

    It’s only amazing to those who haven’t experienced it how simply trying your hardest is the key to most things in our society. To those who haven’t tried, it’s injustice that their lives are ‘ruined’ after years of not working. And these miserable people have no faith in themselves and have to put their hopes in a coercive government that promises at the very least to bring the successful people down ‘for social justice’.

    I think many of them realize this isn’t going to produce success, but it satisfies the jealousy angle.

    Dustin (73fead)

  110. Which is a meta version of burying your talent.

    Dustin (73fead)

  111. It amazes me that the conservatives have abandoned the original argument which required ignoring the whole of the president’s speech for this new argument which is actually even more dumberer.

    tye (ba133c)

  112. You flopping around like a fish out of water is even funnier, tye. Arguing against arguments not made, not understanding simple positions, and otherwise acting/being a fool.

    JD (395555)

  113. The whole speech shows his hostility towards individual accomplishment. The whole speech is worse for him. Naturally, to you and your ilk, you think his hostility towRds success is a good thing.

    JD (395555)

  114. 111, 112. Insight into the heart of men.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  115. 115. And the natural outcome for the abandoned bastard son of a faithless Communist pederast drinking chum of the Bohemian layabout grandfather.

    Its all in the genes and upbringing.:)

    “Allow the child to take the path of his choosing and he will never depart from it.”

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  116. JD,
    His level of devotion to this strange mission is sad. Any clown can easily be the center of attention by screeching insults and being obnoxious. Why do trolls think this is clever?

    I think the vast majority of the tyes and imdws and spartacuses are mentally ill. Their obsessive trolling is surely self destructive if only because it’s costing them the chance to do something else with precious time on Earth.

    Dustin (73fead)

  117. Remember the outcry over $600 toilet seats? Imagine if the Govt had to make them, as opposed to simply having unreasonable specs and spending other people’s money and having someone else figure out how to make it. If the Govt had to design, and make the same $600 toilet seats, it would cost $6000 and it would not lift up.

    JD (395555)

  118. “Allow the child to take the path of his choosing and he will never depart from it.”

    Comment by gary gulrud

    Perfect summary.

    Dustin (73fead)

  119. Government by act of God? As good an explanation as any for the massive attack of stupidity on one-fifth of our population in 2008.

    nk (875f57)

  120. His view of private enterprise as being “the enemy” fits naturally into his established narrative of hostility towards private enterprise.

    JD (395555)

  121. Oh, and just to be clear, neither Urkel nor Mrs. Butterworth have “high cheekbones”.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  122. ‘Wiley E Obama, super genius,’ is never wrong;

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/wile_e_coyote_joins_obama_campaign_team.html

    narciso (ee31f1)

  123. I understand your position. You are worshipping business

    tye (ba133c)

  124. I understand your position. You are worshipping business.

    You just demonstrated your ignorance, and complete lack of understanding.

    JD (395555)

  125. “worshiping business”

    can be roughly translated to

    “loving the free market”

    which is really just one example of

    “cherishing the pursuit of happiness”

    Dustin (73fead)

  126. Tye worships Govt.

    JD (395555)

  127. A free market is simply nature. One has to act to make it unfree. That’s tyranny against natural rights.

    So while tye concedes that we have expressed a position he understands, I confess I do not understand his view, which he hasn’t really attempted to express because he’s too busy calling DRJ’s comment ‘stupid’ and JD ‘biff’.

    Why doesn’t tye stop insulting people and express an argument people can understand?

    My guess is because his anger pretty much is his only argument.

    Dustin (73fead)

  128. I often wonder whether if tye and others of his ilk had any real acquaintance with the government of the old Soviet Union or with the mid century to current governments of China (just as examples) they would be as flip or nonchalant about us slowly relinquishing to the U.S. Government ever more power and control over our lives, our freedoms and our personal property. It must be naiveté or ignorance of history with them. How else could they possibly view any government as a benign and loving entity only there to help people.

    elissa (1eff2e)

  129. Maybe they really think it’s different this time, Elissa?

    I’m guessing they are fully aware that this concept is not benign, but they realize it’s less benign to those tye is most jealous of.

    Dustin (73fead)

  130. 130- let me sum up your position. Anyone who does not agree with you is ignorant. How very wise of you to point out that only conservatives are students of history.

    tye (ba133c)

  131. I asked tye what his view was. Tye already explained our view is understood, so why does tye respond to the request for his view with another lame effort to spin the view he doesn’t agree with?

    Let’s let people explain their own views, tye, unless you can get the person you’re disagreeing with to accept your restating of his position, which is unlikely given your obsession with insulting everyone.

    Dustin (73fead)

  132. ______________________________________________

    The psychological term you’re looking for is “projection“.

    And that isn’t a response of pure conjecture or sarcasm.

    Dailycaller.com, March 2011:

    Social scientists usually measure traditional racism against African Americans by looking at the survey responses of white Americans only. Among whites in the latest General Social Survey (2008) [conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago], only 4.5% of small-government advocates express the view that “most Blacks/African-Americans have less in-born ability to learn,” compared to 12.3% of those who favor bigger government or take a middle position expressing this racist view.

    [A]mong whites, Republican advocates of smaller government are even less racist (1.3% believing that blacks have less in-born ability) than the rest of the general public (11.3% expressing racist views). Thus, in 2008 Republicans who believe that the government in Washington does too much have 10 times higher odds of not expressing racist views on the in-born ability question than the rest of the population (79-to-1 odds v. 7.9-to-1 odds).

    In 2008, only 5.4% of white conservative Republicans expressed racist views on the in-born ability question, compared to 10.3% of the rest of the white population. [T]his same pattern holds for white Democrats compared to white Republicans: in 2008 12.3% of white Democrats in the U.S. believed that African Americans were born with less ability, compared to only 6.6% of white Republicans.

    In sixteen surveys from 1977 through 2008, overall white Republicans were significantly less racist on the in-born ability question than white Democrats (13.3% to 17.3%), and white conservative Republicans were significantly less racist than other white Americans (11.7% to 14.7%)…

    [O]verall white Democrats were significantly more likely to support segregated neighborhoods than white Republicans (30.4% to 26.3%).

    The bias that inspires the reactions of those on the left is so foolishly noticeable, or clumsy, or transparent — and more in evidence as each year goes by — that it’s analogous to a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar disavowing what he’s just done.

    Mark (7b2cc7)

  133. 133- my obsession with insulting everyone? Look at biff’s comments.

    tye (ba133c)

  134. teh tyena…

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  135. tye makes a wonderful foil for beating up on Obama but I just discovered that Netflix has the Ernie Kovacs shows on demand and they’re a lot funnier.

    nk (875f57)

  136. 130- let me sum up your position.

    Raise your hand if you knew what would follow would be an abject dishonest distortion of what Elissa actually said?

    JD (25b79b)

  137. hard work will defeat
    this generation of swine
    come hell or high water

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  138. nk, I am pleased (but not surprised) that you enjoy Ernie Kovacs. He was a funny, funny man.

    It helps me to think of our trolls as Percy Dovetonsils lookalikes.

    Simon Jester (87af20)

  139. 139- pulling out all the stops! Only conservatives work hard. You are really showing your true colors today, folks.

    tye (ba133c)

  140. Well, some trolls work quite hard. And it’s interesting to consider why. But who can really understand Percy here?

    Simon Jester (87af20)

  141. ________________________________________________

    for-romney-an-olympic-stage-less-welcoming-than-the-one-in-2002

    Speaking of which, I read that the leftwing producer of the Olympic game’s opener on Friday evening apparently purposefully (and slyly) snubbed the US by omitting reference to the 2 games held over the past 28 years in the US, in 1984 and 1996. Someone mentioned that all other games since the modern era were listed, but not those two. IOW, it wasn’t no damn error.

    Mark (7b2cc7)

  142. JD–Apparently tye may not realize that the millions of deaths in the Soviet Union and China caused both by starvation (largely due to misguided and heavy handed government policies) and the regimes’ punishments for thought crimes and ethnicity, were not limited to a few elite people and to “the rich”.

    elissa (1eff2e)

  143. You bet, elissa. And Mao had a solution for intellectuals who questioned his wisdom, didn’t he?

    Simon Jester (87af20)

  144. 145 – yeah the funny part of this conversation is that you’ve given up calling me a socialist and have skipped straight to calling me a communist.

    tye (ba133c)

  145. Now mind you, some of these idiot savants like Roseanne, and Mrs. Greg Brady, Adrianne Curry, are so yesterday’s news that it reflects more on them.
    But is there comdemnation,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  146. Elissa – features and bugs. You and DRJ sure do seem to set tye off. He must be scared of strong women.

    JD (f7198a)

  147. ezraklein “Hey tweeps — in Rio de Janeiro for a few days. Any advice on where to eat/what to do?”

    Colonel Haiku ‏@ColonelHaiku

    @ezraklein the garbage heaps/work on your tan…

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  148. tye,

    I think I understand your position but please correct me if I’m wrong.

    You are concerned about the welfare and advancement of average Americans and those in need — minorities, the disabled, and the poor. You want society to help them and think the easiest and most effective way to do that is through government-managed programs. You believe government led by people who value these concerns, i.e. a Democrat-led government, has the best chance of succeeding and a much better chance of success compared to a GOP-led government or capitalism alone.

    Is this correct? Is there more?

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  149. 149- it is actually quite sexist of you to jump to the conclusion that somehow engaging in conversation with a female is fundamentally different than with a male. Bigot.

    tye (ba133c)

  150. I’ve seen wet spots on my sidewalk that had deeper thoughts than tye.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  151. Here’s another look squirrel moment;

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/mulling-over-muller.php

    narciso (ee31f1)

  152. Please ket tye keep typing. This is priceless.

    JD (30f261)

  153. See, DRJ? The troll is just playing a weird game. Did I say “weird” I sure did!

    http://starlustbook.com/jessecutler/images/stories/percy4site.jpg

    Simon Jester (87af20)

  154. let teh tyena be teh tyena…

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  155. 151- well I think my position requires a bit more explanation. In this particular case I believe that, just like national defense, there are other functions of the government including building infrastructure. Your point that private companies literally build that infrastructure is well noted. I believe that the cost of doing business in America should include a tax level that reflects the differences in income levels. I understand that businessmen work hard. Rarely, however, do those businessmen literally ruin their bodies in the process. I believe that unchecked capitalism provides a system that has not nor requires any thought about the wellness of the cogs, including the environment and workers. Those considerations have to be provided “artificially”. Government.

    tye (ba133c)

  156. thrice delayed/canceled
    our President Gutsy Call
    hit on bin Laden

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  157. I think many late 20th and 21st century businessmen–and especially small businessmen and entrepreneurs– have struggled and sacrificed to save investment capital to open their business specifically because previous generations in their own families had been “cogs” either in this country or in other countries. They did this to achieve more security for themselves and their progeny but in the process they also employ others, provide goods and services, and pay taxes as well.

    elissa (1eff2e)

  158. 159- yeah and how many times did a Bush-approved operation kill bin laden?

    tye (ba133c)

  159. dismiss distractions
    Barry owns his fustercluck
    He, alone, built it

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  160. Answer my question
    Are you afraid of the truth?
    Bush created it.

    tye (ba133c)

  161. It helps me to think of our trolls as Percy Dovetonsils lookalikes.

    Comment by Simon Jester — 7/29/2012 @ 8:15 am

    Percy’s famous ode, “Thoughts While Falling Off The Empire State Building”?

    nk (875f57)

  162. embrace that mindset
    “Teh buck stops waaaaay over there”
    we’ll see how it plays

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  163. I believe that the cost of doing business in America should include a tax level that reflects the differences in income levels.

    People with the philosophy that formerly got them locked up in prison are now shamelessly advancing that philosophy as if it was worthy of seeing the light of day.

    Steve57 (d382ec)

  164. The question remains.
    Obama finished the job
    Romney has killed them.

    tye (ba133c)

  165. 159- yeah and how many times did a Bush-approved operation kill bin laden?

    Comment by tye — 7/29/2012 @ 10:07 am

    Ordering a hit. Obama had to learn something in all his time in Chicago.

    nk (875f57)

  166. Obama did more for national defense in one day than Bush did in eight years.

    tye (ba133c)

  167. Please let tye keep typing.

    JD (30f261)

  168. I’m glad that Bin Laden is dead and am happy to give Obama some credit for authorizing the Seals to act when intel suggested a raid was possible. Beyond that, there are foreign relations disasters and debacles too numerous to mention which have come out of the Obama administration that must be weighed in balance with the one obvious success. George Bush had a record of both foreign relations successes and failures as does every administration that must face evolving world political situations. IMO, the Bush administration ratio was far more balanced than Obama’s.

    Now, perhaps we may return to the actual subject of the thread which is Obama’s dangerous and wrongheaded attacks against business and businessmen and his misguided tax proposals?

    elissa (1eff2e)

  169. Obama did more for national defense in one day than Bush did in eight years.

    Comment by tye — 7/29/2012 @ 10:31 am

    An amazingly stupid claim. One that could only be made by the most ignorant.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  170. It took God seven days to make the earth, Obama fixed National Defense in a single day.

    Your move, God.

    East Bay Jay (a5dac7)

  171. What’s going to be hilarious is that, in 2013 after Obama is evicted from the White House, all of the White House insiders will be busy flogging their books to publishers.

    And every one of those books will have as a major theme just how incompetent Obama was.

    Every one.

    Because there will be no market for a book that purports to show what a great President he was. The American people would not buy a book that was so risible.

    So we’ll have a huge flock of books all in the same chorus of how incompetent Obama was. All by Democrats trying, and largely failing, to lay off the blame of a failed Presidency on others.

    I’m going to laugh so much.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  172. 171-“Disasters”? Share.

    tye (ba133c)

  173. Obama’s economic policies have been disasterous by Obama’s own standards. In January 2009, the White House put out a chart of projected employment, with two curves. The higher curve being what would happen without the President’s stimulus legislation, the lower curve with the stimulus.

    The actual employment curve since then has been dramatically higher than the “without” curve. Showing that by Obama’s own predictions, his policy failed and gave us employment worse than the prediction of “without” stimulus.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  174. soon have just teh ticket for teh pesky tyena…

    http://dvice.com/archives/2012/07/salt-shooting-s.php

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  175. Actually, I’d be jim dandy with giving government full credit for “roads and bridges” if that was *all* that state governments did, and the federal government only paid for national defense. Instead we have bazillions in transfer payments and bailouts for the failed policy of Fannie and Freddie financing mortgages for people who couldn’t afford them which was the primary cause of the 2008 financial collapse. Incidentally GW Bush tried to stop Fannie and Freddie or at least slow them down but was blocked by Democrats led by Obama. And now Obama is trying to make it worse by doing away with welfare work requirements which even Clinton realized were necessary.

    When I moved to California in the early 70s I was amazed at how good the roads were. Now they’re horrible. Recently I drove from Silicon Valley to Stockton and back, a 200-mile round trip on some of the state’s primary arteries and there couldn’t have been more than 5-10 miles not studded with potholes. I heard that 50 years ago 20% of the state budget went for road maintenance, now it’s 2%. WHERE IS THE REST OF THE MONEY GOING!?!?!?!?!?

    Gary Rosen (afeaef)

  176. Notice the difference, the Democrats attack by making up stuff. We are attacking by quoting them and showing how their own quotes reveal that they are blithering idiots.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  177. raising your taxes
    is Barry’s johnny-one-note
    answer for it all

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  178. 180- i seem to remember Tina Fey doing an impression of Palin in which she used her entire answer to a question verbatim. You took Obama out if context and ran with it.

    tye (ba133c)

  179. 180- i seem to remember Tina Fey doing an impression of Palin in which she used her entire answer to a question verbatim. You took Obama out if context and ran with it.

    Liar. I can see Russia from my front porch?

    JD (318f81)

  180. Not that one.

    tye (ba133c)

  181. Here

    tye (ba133c)

  182. Liar.

    tye (ba133c)

  183. I will go ahead and reject you apology for calling me a liar since you continue to do so without reason.

    tye (ba133c)

  184. mr. tyeingly sad…

    http://youtu.be/zR_78it5ixo

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  185. As many have pointed out the “context” is even worse. Even if Obama misspoke himself and *meant* the roads and bridges (in which case the brilliant orator should have said “those” instead of “that”) his blistering contempt and derision for private entrepreneurs and businessmen is unmistakable.

    What else can you make of the remark, “I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.” Particularly arrogant and hypocritical coming from someone who is not only touted as “the smartest guy in the room” but obviously sees himself as the smartest guy in the room even though he has never built a damn thing.

    Gary Rosen (afeaef)

  186. BS. I called you a liar in re the seeing Russia, BS that you and the left ran around parroting. Hold your breath while you await that apology. Please.

    JD (318f81)

  187. I had never seen that thinkregress compilation, but am not shocked that you frequent there.

    JD (318f81)

  188. Please point to where I mentioned Russia in this conversation.

    tye (ba133c)

  189. I didn’t say that you said anything about Russia, you effing clown. You spoke of an unspecified Fey/Palin spoof, and it is natural to reference the most popular one, the one I specificallymentioned in my response. Good Gawd, you are inherently dishonest, even when it serves no purpose.

    JD (318f81)

  190. A real man would apologize instead of backtracking; your response perfectly aligns with your slimy, snakelike nature.

    tye (ba133c)

  191. 176. Obama’s economic policies have been disasterous by Obama’s own standards. In January 2009, the White House put out a chart of projected employment, with two curves. The higher curve being what would happen without the President’s stimulus legislation, the lower curve with the stimulus.

    The actual employment curve since then has been dramatically higher than the “without” curve. Showing that by Obama’s own predictions, his policy failed and gave us employment worse than the prediction of “without” stimulus.

    Comment by SPQR — 7/29/2012 @ 12:19 pm

    Those projections were lies when Obama first advanced them. They were intended as lies.

    His chart shows unemployment as a leading indicator of economic recovery, when employment in fact trails economic recovery.

    Plus it shows his porkulus having an effect on economic recovery just if it passed. Unemployment immediately went down in that little piece of propaganda. Before any money could even be spent.

    It was designed for people like tye who live in the echo chamber. In other words, it was boob bait. Distilled idiocy.

    Steve57 (d382ec)

  192. 190- please show me where I parroted the Russia from my porch routine that you claimed I did. Actually I would like an apology for that lie.

    tye (ba133c)

  193. I am sorry you are too stupid to understand what I intended when I wrote “Liar. I can see Russia from my front porch?”

    If an honest commenter tells me it was easily misunderstood, or ambiguous, I will gladly apologize. But, it is pointless since you already said you would reject it, regardless.

    JD (318f81)

  194. You already rejected my explanation, and apology, so calling for more of the same seems rather pointless. If you thought that the Fey quote that became accepted wisdom as attributed to Palin was inaccurate, then good on you.

    JD (318f81)

  195. I apologize to every not named tye for even engaging this little f@cker. The creepy stalkerish thingie is just doing it’s LOOK SOMETHING SHINY dance in yet another thread.

    Racists

    JD (318f81)

  196. In comment 190 you claimed that I parroted the Russia from my house routine. That was a lie.

    tye (ba133c)

  197. You have never done that? Ever? Good for you, I was wrong.

    JD (318f81)

  198. I’m not going to lie…kind of feeling all warm and fuzzy on the inside right now :-)

    tye (ba133c)

  199. And I am still awaiting you apologies for calling me a racist, a bigot, a liar, and creepily demanding pictures of my wife. SQPR, DRJ, Elissa and everyone else await yours as well.

    JD (318f81)

  200. I called you a bigot not a racist. Apologize for that lie.

    tye (ba133c)

  201. Secret of the internet:

    Those who say internet commenting proves how manly or tough someone is are insecure about those topics.

    Dustin (73fead)

  202. And why would I apologize for calling you a liar when you lie? Silly man.

    tye (ba133c)

  203. I take back calling tye a seventh grader, its obvious he was held back in sixth grade.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  204. Thank you for demonstrating your complete lack of integrity, tye.

    JD (318f81)

  205. tye: you’re not even trying anymore.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  206. Liberals are the only people who hear the dog whistles.

    Does that make them dogs?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  207. Comment by SPQR — 7/29/2012 @ 11:36 am

    And every one of those books will have as a major theme just how incompetent Obama was.

    Every one.

    Not how incompetent Obama was.

    How incompetent about half of the people working for him were. Obama, when he makes an appearance, will come off as more competent than the incompetent officials working for him, but, maybe, just too busy or uninformed about some things. AND IF HE IS MISINFORMED OR UNINFORMED, IT’LL BE THE FAULT OF THE BAD ADVISERS.

    Sammy Finkelman (04b5c1)

  208. You know that immediately before and after that sentence there was, you know, context.

    Yes, we know. We’ve seen the video. Context that shows he meant it exactly as it sounds.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  209. It’s cute when jd gets all flustered and brings on the cavalry. When is one of you going to switch handles and call me out as the “leftist” leviticus?

    tye (ba133c)

  210. Leviticus has forgotten more about integrity than you could ever hope to have in your entire failed pathetic existence.

    JD (318f81)

  211. This is probably racist, too.

    Obama blamed for failure of international arms-trade treaty

    Smart diplomacy!

    Actually, it’s times like these I’m grateful that Obama is a stuttering, bumbling incompetent.

    Steve57 (d382ec)

  212. Comment by SPQR — 7/29/2012 @ 12:36 pm

    Notice the difference, the Democrats attack by making up stuff. We are attacking by quoting them and showing how their own quotes reveal that they are blithering idiots.

    Quotes can sometimes make people look worse than they are. I think in this case, The worst things (the pitting of higher marginal tax rates against other good things, the claim that higher tax rates on the rich would mean no tax increase on the lower brackets, the claim that this means much to the budget, the claim that the money he would raise would help the economy) don’t get mentioned at all.

    The actual attacks by Obama – personally approved by him after viewing them on his iPad , or in Sunday evening meetings with his political advisers, tend toward innuendo.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/politics/obama-campaign-takes-gamble-in-going-negative.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

    He’s got one ad running that asks if maybe Romney didn’t pay any taxes some years. Another declares he’s “used every trick in the book”

    Obama got concerned that one ad was too shrill, and decided to deliver a calm, measured statement himself, saying in part “Sometimes politics can seem very small. But the choice you face, it couldn’t be bigger.”

    The ad with Romney singing America the Beautiful and headlines about outsourcing and overseas bank accounts was sent back for a second round of focus group testing after Obama and some of his advisers (or maybe that should be some of his advisers and Obama) were concerned it was too begative, but it passed again (as fair) and they used it.

    He mostly stopped running ads that didn’t mention Mitt Romney by the end of June.

    Sammy Finkelman (04b5c1)

  213. 214- because he takes it when you insult him for differences of opinion? Or because you have no differences of opinion?

    tye (ba133c)

  214. “He’s got one ad running that asks if maybe Romney didn’t pay any taxes some years. Another declares he’s “used every trick in the book””

    Sammy – Romney should run one that asks if maybe Obama is still using drugs, since we don’t have his full medical reports to discount the possibility and it would help explain his erratic behavior. It would be the equivalent of the groundless Obama ads, right?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  215. The point is that businesses owe a large part if their success to infrastructure that was built because of the government.

    No, they don’t. No road ever built a business. Businesses are built by entrepreneurs, using whatever tools are to hand. If there is a road, that makes things easier; and the business should pay its share of the cost of building that road, and no business objects to this. But neither the road nor the road-builder built the business, or deserves any credit for the business’s existence. The road is merely a service that the business uses and pays for.

    More to the point, if governments didn’t build roads, and those roads were necessary, someone else would. Who do you think used to build roads before government started doing so? Who built the old turnpikes in America? You might as well claim that if a business uses the services of the Post Office then the government helped build the business; that’s obvious nonsense, because if the USPS didn’t exist or wasn’t convenient, they’d just use FedEx or UPS or something.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  216. I’m ignoring tye at the moment, but I see that he’s been really active today. Since I’m not reading his comments, can somebody tell me if he’s still asking people to post hot pictures of their wives for his enjoyment, or if he’s apologized for that yet?

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  217. Tye – I don’t insult him, and we differ, drastically, on almost everything. Likewise Aphrael. They have integrity.

    JD (318f81)

  218. Pious – he still wants pictures of my wife for his sicko bizarro fantasies.

    JD (318f81)

  219. 220- why don’t you link to where I asked for anyone to post hot pictures of their wife?

    tye (ba133c)

  220. tye, thanks to Milhouse’s Greasemonkey script I can’t read what you’re typing, and I have to say my day has been better for it.

    I’m sure if you apologize, someone I respect will quote you.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  221. “As many have pointed out the “context” is even worse.”

    This is so true. In the process of denigrating individual achievement Obama would have stupid Americans believe that Government is the variable rather than the constant in the equation for success in his speech.

    He talks about roads and bridges which make up a tiny fraction of federal government expenditures relative to entitlements and no conservatives are suggesting the elimination of infrastructure investments. Teachers are also mentioned in his speech and public education is in desperate need of reform, something Obama’s biggest contributors strenuously resist. But virtually all Americans have access to infrastructure and public education. Those opportunities exist across the country.

    What differs in determining the success or failure of a business is whether the owner is smart enough to come up with a product or service that fits a market need, how hard they will work and the risks they will take to see the business succeed. Those are all variables. Obama diminishes them in his speech by talking about how they are plenty of hard working and smart people out there. There are, but some people take it the extra mile and Obama just dissed them all.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  222. “I’m ignoring tye at the moment, but I see that he’s been really active today.”

    PA – Pure desperation of tye’s part.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  223. Pious – it claims it did not do what it did.

    JD (318f81)

  224. 224- translation: what I accused you of doing never happened and now I’m backtracking.

    tye (ba133c)

  225. 227- you’ve already been caught in lies today.

    tye (ba133c)

  226. JD – Huh, well I remember him doubting your wife’s ethnicity and demanding to see a picture. We both know that this would have led to escalating demands that eventually would lead to requests for intimate photos. That’s pretty despicable, but that’s our tye.

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  227. Pious – pretty creepy, huh?

    JD (318f81)

  228. 230-closer to the truth. I admit the error of my ways; confirming the ethnicity of one’s partner does not actually disprove that said individual is a bigot.

    tye (ba133c)

  229. Finkleman… looks like tyena has called you out.

    Colonel Haiku (6a2396)

  230. Pious – I am a racist bigot against my wife and children.

    JD (318f81)

  231. JD — that went without saying. :)

    Pious Agnostic (ee2c24)

  232. Shouldn’t we focus on the topic which is pulling an article from somewhere then ascribing its sentiment to the entirety of liberal thinkers so that we can feel better about hating giving tax money for homeless shelters and the like?

    tye (ba133c)

  233. Yeah tye, you never go off topic, yfa!

    ∅ (721840)

  234. Ironically, I do hate giving tax money for the purpose of homeless shelters.

    Since church groups are much better at feeding, clothing, and sheltering the needy. Charitable giving is preferred.

    But then, idiots like tye and his moronic Messiah are assaulting organized religion precisely for the same reason the Soviets did. It competes with the state for resources and moral authority. So it must be destroyed.

    Hence Obumble’s HHS mandate. Which, oddly enough (if you’re constantly mugged by reality as tye certainly is) is why religious charities that serve the needy without to their beliefs or religious affiliation are specifically barred from claiming a religious exemption from the mandate. Only the actual building that houses the congregation and those that work within it exempted.

    Pretty much the size and shape of the box that Obama would like to put religion into greatly resembles the one Lenin put together.

    Obama, like all marxists, view the state and its paid agents as the true object of his subjects loyalty. That’s why in his idiotic remarks, when put in the proper context, are truly awful. If you are successful, somebody else made that happen. And that somebody is from the government. Always.

    Steve57 (d382ec)

  235. Great family guy episode tonight about the tea party….

    tye (ba133c)

  236. Weird. Obama is not a marxist but you said he is. Liar.

    tye (ba133c)

  237. Shouldn’t we focus on the topic which is pulling an article from somewhere then ascribing its sentiment to the entirety of liberal thinkers so that we can feel better about hating giving tax money for homeless shelters and the like?

    Conservatives donate more of their own money to feed and clothe the homeless than do liberals.

    So once again, tye shows his willingness to just outright lie.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  238. tye, Obama said that working for a private company was “working for the enemy”. That’s a pretty good indication that Obama is a Marxist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  239. 242- link it

    tye (ba133c)

  240. tye, you continue to demonstrate that you are complete moron. David Maraniss’ book on Obama has that very quote.

    Obama was a low-level editor in Reference Services, working on reports describing economic conditions in various foreign countries. By all accounts, he disliked the work, not just because it was pedestrian and boring, but because it was in business.

    “He calls it working for the enemy,” Obama’s mother, Ann, wrote after a phone conversation with her son, “because some of the reports are written for commercial firms that want to invest in [Third World] countries.”

    Obama acts like a Marxist, thinks like a Marxist and talks like a Marxist – but tye says he is a duck.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  241. And once again, we see that tye can’t back up anything that tye writes but demands others do.

    That’s because tye is as has been long established, simply a liar.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  242. The point is that businesses owe a large part if their success to infrastructure that was built because of the government.

    No, that’s not true. There are plenty of failed businesses that had the same infrastructure as the successful ones. More failed than successful, in fact.

    So, clearly, it’s not the infrastructure that determines a business’s success.

    Chuck Bartowski (99415f)

  243. Oh snap! A third hand quote relayed by a right wing author and discussed on wing nut message boards? Wow… yeah Obama is not a marxist. Romney loves to fire people. That one is on film.

    tye (ba133c)

  244. David Maraniss is a “right wing author” ? Another lie by tye.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  245. The other interesting part of the Maraniss book is that he finds quite a few fabrications in Obama’s memoir. Obama is quite the liar – another reason tye has so much in common with him.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  246. It would be so nice if we did not let a good thread like this get ‘tyed’.

    jem (0f6e3f)

  247. Here’s another disaster laid at Obama’s feet, his ridiculous pandering to the enviro-whack left has pushed Canada to get closer to China.

    Brilliant job for the worst President in modern history. My favorite bumper sticker now is:”Vote for the Mormon, not the Moron.”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  248. #86 tye

    In spite of the government, not because

    SteveG (831214)

  249. #107

    It isn’t cruel and the cat is not amused to the point of what we consider to be entertained…
    Cats (and I am not a cat lover, don’t have one, never will) cats “play” with their prey to tire it out. They don’t bust in and rip the jugular, they take their time and don’t risk themselves. Some snakes slowly squeeze the life out of their prey, cats tire it out and then choke it out.
    I think the cats “enjoy” it on some level… they must get something out of it or they’d abstain, but it looks cruel… and that is just the system a house cat has evolved with throughout the breeding process.
    In other words, cats; unlike humans, are blameless

    SteveG (831214)

  250. #158

    I have given up my blood, sweat, and tears. My retirement right now looks like me working until the day I die. I am in my mid fifties and have paid taxes since I was 15
    I have battled alcoholism, depression and sleeplessness.. and paid $$ for it all myself.
    When I succeed, the feds dip their beaks deep into me… when things are not profitable? The feds still maul my carcass.
    One year I was in the 5% and paid dearly, the next I was at a loss… oh.. “sucks to be you”

    SteveG (831214)

  251. #174

    A book (ghost written) by an African American insider?
    Authenticity meets Uncle Tom’s Cabin

    SteveG (831214)

  252. Obama Full quote:
    “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

    Who built the internet? Joe the plumber?

    If you’re playing dumb with this there must be some other reason. Maybe you think someone’s being “uppity”?
    If you’re that panicked it’s pathological.

    Let David Gergen explain it for you.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cMQzPd70fU

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  253. ^^^ Still playing the race card ^^^

    Icy (fced0b)

  254. Seriously. Good God, let an intelligent someone pass by here for the left.

    If I needed David Gergen to explain things for or to me, I may as well let Keith Olbermann explain the Pythagorean theorem. Either would be useless in politics or geometry.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  255. tye: you’re not even trying anymore.

    Oh, believe me, he’s very trying.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  256. If you built a small business did you build an interstate highway?
    A simple question.

    If you can’t give the simple common sense answer then your problem is not with the policy but the person.

    Why would that be?

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  257. RACISTS!!!!!

    JD (dfa70c)

  258. If you built a small business did you build an interstate highway?

    Having once owned a small business, I can state categorically that I didn’t depend on interstate highways for my customers.

    Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd)

  259. “If you built a small business did you build an interstate highway?”

    still sleeeeepy – I have a friend who built a business building interstate highways and local roads.

    A simple question for you, which came first, Model T’s or roads?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  260. “If you built a small business did you build an interstate highway?”

    still sleeeeepy – If a business I built is profitable, the taxes it or I pay, plus the taxes my employees pay on their wages, go to pay for the repair and maintenance of existing roads plus the expansion of new roads as commerce and population growth demands. Q.E.D.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  261. Chuck, you didn’t answer the question.
    And did all your inventory come from your state?
    Have you ever left your state?

    daleyr: “I have a friend who built a business building interstate highways…”

    Q: who paid him?
    A: Big Gubmint.

    “If a business I built is profitable, the taxes it or I pay, plus the taxes my employees pay…” plus the taxes the rest of us pay, yes.
    Not YOU, but ALL OF US.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  262. It is government’s money, racists. They just permit you to exist.

    JD (dfa70c)

  263. still sleeeepy, since its government infrastructure that makes business successful, explain to me why you are not a billionaire.

    SPQR (89f4ff)

  264. And did all your inventory come from your state?

    All my inventory came from distributors within my city.

    Plenty of businesses using the infrastructure fail, so it isn’t infrastructure which makes or breaks businesses.

    Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd)

  265. Ah Chuck, but then the next question will be, who build that city? How did they get there? ROADS!

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  266. “Q: who paid him?
    A: Big Gubmint.”

    still sleeeeepy – Q. Who paid Big Gubmint the money to pay my friend to build roads?

    A. The half of Americans who pay income taxes, that’s who. Not all of us.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  267. Notice tye the troll fails to acknowledge that once again, I back up my claims and he produces squat.

    SPQR (89f4ff)

  268. 251- you should look up the word disaster because you are clearly demonstrating that you have no idea what it means.

    tye (ba133c)

  269. Just like Old Nick, you say it’s name it it appears.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  270. “plus the taxes the rest of us pay, yes.
    Not YOU, but ALL OF US.”

    still sleeeeepy – Can you explain to the dumb conservatives on this site how federal income tax revenues are carved up to infrastructure projects in specific geographic areas please? If I am benefiting from all the taxes paid by people around the country, I would certainly expect better infrastructure than I have now, but most of the money seems to be going to projects elsewhere.

    You need to bring a better game Cupcake. Your lame JV stuff will never win the internet.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  271. I thought you were ignoring me, dirty fresh.

    tye (ba133c)

  272. But daley, conservatives don’t want infrastructure spending, or tax cuts for the middle class. They only want tax cuts for the rich which will trifle down to them. Haven’t you read the republican proposals?

    And anyway you’ve changed the subject.

    “The half of Americans who pay income taxes, that’s who. Not all of us.”

    The we can talk about local roads and local taxes.

    But I’m not an Obamabot. He works for the same banks that got bailed out and kept in business with the same leadership. The rich are all too big to fail.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  273. Sleepy – do you ever take the time to learn the positions of the other side, or do you just prefer to argue against your idea of what they might be? Your assertions about what conservatives want are, at best, a joke.

    JD (dfa70c)

  274. Shorter sleepy – RACISTS

    JD (dfa70c)

  275. still sleeepy sure lies a lot.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  276. A blast from the past:

    “The fact that we are here today to debate raisingAmerica ‘s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign thatthe US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we nowdepend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to financeour Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America ‘s debtweakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that,”the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden ofbad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deservebetter.”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  277. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-2009-americans-paid-lowest-tax-rates-in-30-years-to-federal-government/2012/07/10/gJQAWc5bbW_story.html

    “In 2009, Americans paid lowest tax rates in 30 years to federal government”

    Marketwatch WSJ: “The Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s across-the-board 20% reduction in tax rates (plus other changes) would give the richest one-thousandth of us a tax cut of $725,000 every year while asking families earning under $30,000 to pay a little more. Folks in the middle would get $810 a year. And that’s assuming we all get to keep the benefits of the Bush tax cuts.”

    Read the whole thing it’s kinda funny
    http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-06-18/commentary/32283535_1_tax-plan-bush-tax-cuts-tax-rates

    SPQR: “still sleeepy sure lies a lot.”

    sure kid.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  278. Read the whole thing it’s kinda funny

    Kind of funny? Don’t be modest, still sleepy, it’s hilarious. Especially that idiot Nutting’s assumption that reducing tax rates reduces revenue. You can prove these assumptions wrong time and again, and still idiots cling to them. This passage tells you all you need to know as to why:

    He just won’t tell you which of the $1 trillion in tax expenditures that he’ll close, or how much it’ll bring in. But don’t worry, it won’t be the ones that benefit YOU. It won’t be special low tax rates for capital income. It won’t be subsidies for owning a house. It won’t be subsidies for health insurance, or for retirement savings. Those tax breaks are far too popular to kill.

    Got that? Deductions in this socialist’s view are “subsidies.” When the government doesn’t take that money that isn’t really yours, because you didn’t really earn it because government really made that money happen, it’s a “tax expenditure.”

    It’s laugh out loud funny, still sleepy, as a public display of ideological blindness.

    Steve57 (d382ec)

  279. I don’t even know how I stopped up right here, however I believed this publish used to be great. I don’t recognize who you might be but certainly you’re going to a famous blogger when you aren’t already. Cheers!

    christian blogs (e011d7)

  280. Steve: “Got that? Deductions in this socialist’s view are “subsidies.”

    Call them what you want.

    “The Tax Policy Center found that Romney’s across-the-board 20% reduction in tax rates (plus other changes) would give the richest one-thousandth of us a tax cut of $725,000 every year while asking families earning under $30,000 to pay a little more. Folks in the middle would get $810 a year. “
    Taking from the poor and giving to the rich.

    “that idiot Nutting’s assumption that reducing tax rates reduces revenue. You can prove these assumptions wrong time and again”
    Austerity is working so well in Europe.

    The problem isn’t taxes it’s education.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  281. Also medical expenses.
    Romney says national health care is good for Israel but bad for America. Go figure.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)

  282. Romney hypocrisy shouldn’t surprise you.

    tye (ba133c)

  283. From Still Sleepy’s market watch link in Comment by still sleeeeepy — 7/30/2012 @ 4:04 pm

    Don’t ask the CBO or the Joint Tax Committee to evaluate Romney’s plan, because they refused to even try. It’s too fuzzy.

    That’s false, the CBO only scores legislation, not proposals. They also refused to score vague proposals buried in Obama’s state of the union speeches.

    Of course, President Barack Obama doesn’t have a plan for balancing the budget either. But, unlike Romney, he’s never promised to do so.

    But in the ’08 campaign, Obama promised (Jake Tapper piece):

    “This is big,” wrote White House director of new media Macon Phillips in a February 23, 2009 blog post, ”the President today promised that by the end of his first term, he will cut in half the massive federal deficit we’ve inherited. And we’ll do it in a new way: honestly and candidly.”

    That’s the quality of nonsense that Still Sleeepy thinks proves he’s not a liar. Fail.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  284. “And anyway you’ve changed the subject.”

    still sleeeeepy – I did not change the subject, I corrected the error in your assertion, dingbat.

    “But daley, conservatives don’t want infrastructure spending, or tax cuts for the middle class. They only want tax cuts for the rich which will trifle down to them. Haven’t you read the republican proposals?”

    Dude, it seems like it is you that have not read any proposals. Republicans aren’t pushing tax cuts, they want to avoid tax increases on everyone, especially with the expiration of all the short-term fixes Obama implemented that added uncertainty to the economy that expire on 1/1/13 and the new taxes from Obamacare.

    “The we can talk about local roads and local taxes.”

    Now you want to change the subject because your narrative doesn’t hold water. Typical.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  285. “In 2009, Americans paid lowest tax rates in 30 years to federal government”

    still sleeeeepy – And why is that? Read the article and you’ll find more narrative fail from the left:

    Americans paid the lowest tax rates in 30 years to the federal government in 2009, in part because of tax cuts President Obama sought to combat the Great Recession, congressional budget analysts said Tuesday.

    A sharp decline in income — especially among the wealthiest Americans, who pay the highest tax rates — also played a [SIGNIFICANT] role, according to the report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. Household income fell 12 percent on average from 2007 to 2009, with income among the top 1 percent of earners decreasing by more than a third…………..

    During Obama’s first year in office, the average tax rate paid by all households fell to 17.4 percent, down from 19.9 percent in 2007, according to the CBO. The 2009 rate was significantly lower than the previous low of 19.4 percent in 2003 and well below the 30-year average of 21 percent……….

    The lowest fifth of earners benefited the most, sending just 1 percent of their before-tax income to the federal government in 2009, compared with 5.1 percent in 2007. The top fifth of earners paid 23.2 percent, compared with 24.7 percent in 2007.”

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  286. “Austerity is working so well in Europe.”

    still sleeeeepy – What austerity?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  287. “What austerity?” Daley, read a newspaper, even a Murdoch tabloid.

    “A sharp decline in income ”
    Matches a sharp decline in employment. Less work, less money.
    Still… What were the tax rates under Reagan?

    “Republicans aren’t pushing tax cuts, they want to avoid tax increases on everyone, especially with the expiration of all the short-term fixes Obama implemented that added uncertainty to the economy that expire on 1/1/13 and the new taxes from Obamacare.”

    Obamacare decreases the deficit. Look it up. Real reform would decrease it even more. Hey it works for Israel. Even Romney said so.

    The democrats want the Bush tax cuts to end for the rich and stay for every one else. You already have to numbers for Romney’s plan: the poor pay more the rich pay less.

    Look at the charts for what the Bush cuts did for the deficit. It ain’t pretty.

    “I did not change the subject”
    Build any highways recently?
    No. “You didn’t build that”
    Your taxes did.

    Don’t ask me to defend Obama. I’m not a fan. I’m a left-wing social democrat, or as you would put it a communiss.

    still sleeeeepy (b5f718)


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