Coming to the White House: “I Got the Black Strap to Make the Cops Run”
Well, to be fair, rapper “Common” may not be reciting that particular line at his upcoming White House visit. But you can watch him recite that and other violent lines in the video below.
The Daily Caller reports:
First Lady Michelle Obama has scheduled a poetry evening for Wednesday, and she’s invited several poets, including a successful Chicago poet and rapper, Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Jr., AKA “Common.” However, Lynn is quite controversial, in part because his poetry includes threats to shoot police and at least one passage calling for the “burn[ing]” of then-President George W. Bush.
Here is the video, with some choice lines transcribed below:
And here is a partial transcript, slightly corrected where the Caller‘s transcription falls short. (The full transcript is at the Caller link. For fun, count the number of references to firearms:
A Letter to the Law
Whatcha gonna do if ya got one gun?
I sing a song for the hero unsung
with faces on the mural of the revolution
No looking back cos’ in back is what’s done
Tell the preacher, god got more than one son
Tell the law, my Uzi weighs a ton. . . .
Use your mind and nine-power, get the government touch
Them boys chat-chat on how him pop gun
I got the black strap to make the cops run
They watching me, I’m watching them
Them dick boys got a lotta of cock in them
My people on the block got a lot of Pac in them
A reference to burning Bush? Why, yes! It’s clever because it both references the Bible, and slyly hints at assassinating a hated Republican president!
Burn a Bush cos’ for peace he no push no button
Killing over oil and grease
no weapons of destruction
How can we follow a leader when this a corrupt one
The government’s a g-unit and they might buck young
Black people in the urban area one
I hold up a peace sign, but I carry a gun.
Oh: don’t forget:
If you disapprove of this, that means you are a racist.
Thanks to Dana.
Also, if you criticize Obama in any way whatsoever, you’re a racist.
But mostly if you don’t like this then you’re really a racist.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/9/2011 @ 9:33 pmGangster in the Whitehouse – and the MSM is totally silent on this
can you imagine the Secret Service code name for the guy?
EricPWJohnson (6e67ac) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:02 pmA real class act. He’ll fit in well with the rest of the ObaMao bunch.
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:05 pmI really friggin’ despise studio gangsters/poets. Especially being hosted by the White House.
Andrew (3d619c) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:25 pmJust don’t get between Michelle and a tamale is all I’m sayin’.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:34 pm“If you criticize Obama in any way whatsoever, you’re a racist.”
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:35 pmTranslation: “Out, damn’d spot! out, I say!”
Maybe he’ll take his black strap to the White House.
AZ Bob (aa856e) — 5/9/2011 @ 10:53 pmBig Median says:
Translation:
PATTERICO: “I bet our criticism of this will cause some lefty to call us racists.”
BIG MEDIAN: “Not only that, but your prediction also shows you are a racist.”
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/9/2011 @ 11:14 pmPatrick: If you know a shoe doesn’t fit, never insist on slipping it on. If you do insist, its perfectly rational for people to think you like wearing it.
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/9/2011 @ 11:28 pmTranslation:
BIG MEDIAN: “As I was saying, you are a racist.”
Man, these people are nothing if not predictable.
I have a theory. They are themselves racists, which is why they get such pleasure from calling others racists even when it makes no sense to do so. It’s reassuring to them. The unspoken thought process that someone like Big Median goes through is something like this: “Hey, if I can label my opponents as racists, that helps dispel that sneaking suspicion I have that I consider minorities to be inferior.”
Embrace your inner racist, Big Median!
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/9/2011 @ 11:39 pmThen I am a racist and proud to be one. But, I make a mighty strange racist when I think of Allen West and Herman Cain as a potential candidate team for 2012. It’s what they do and what they say that I discriminate against when I make my choices. The color of the skin is an accident of genetics and displays itself on the skin. The character is the product of up-bringing. It lives down deep and displays itself in actions.
If it’s racist to be concerned about actions, track record, and what the person says he or she stands for then I am a racist. If it’s racist to be concerned about skin color, then cretins like this rapper are pure, unadulterated, nasty racists trading on their racism with other racists.
{^_^}
JD (bcdcf2) — 5/9/2011 @ 11:43 pmPatrick: Shouldn’t an assessment of your views on race be based on this blog in its entirety, rather than on your position on one specific issue or another?
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:10 amDay-in, day-out, you target blacks, Hispanics and Muslims for criticism and give praise to those who do the same. You have absolutely zero tolerance for anti-Jewish comments, but tolerate a wide variety of anti-Muslim slurs and bigotry.
Why do you expect, or even demand, that people ignore that context in assessing your views on Obama? Do you really think your long, broad record of attacking ethnic minorities and defending whites is irrelevant?
A point commenters keep ignoring here is that there is a continuum, or even a multi-polar axis, of racism. As I have said, I am certainly racist, but in ways that I believe are almost always benign. So when I accuse someone of racism, it doesn’t mean I am saying they are the equivalent of Hitler or the KKK or, even, someone like Strom Thurmond.
I am pretty sure, for example, that Breitbart isn’t motivated by hatred for black men. Breitbart’s racism is instead a political tactic to win support from closet racists. Personally, he’s got nothing against black men. Politically, he has EVERYTHING against them and, therefore, he goes after blacks, in particular, to take advantage of conscious and sub-conscious racism among voters, believing that that is the best way to win support for conservatism in general.
So it’s easy to see why he takes such spectacular umbrage at being called a racist. In his mind, he’s not a racist because he doesn’t hate black people. Never mind that he’s willing to USE racism as a political weapon.
As I have demonstrated, Obama routinely gets lambasted over his foreign policy, appointments and other issues by people without bringing any accusations of racism.
The accusations of racism come against people who have long track records of attacking minorities on issue after issue.
For the umpteenth time: on any given individual issue, it’s possible to believe the motive isn’t racial antipathy.
But when there is a long track record on issue after issue — always coming down against minorities, it becomes almost impossible to believe there is no attempt to use racism to political advantage involved.
Yet another ad hominem attack by BM. I wonder if I’m racist because I don’t like the foul language in the transcript? If so, then I guess La Shawn Barber must be racist too since she also doesn’t like foul language.
I wonder if those on the left who so often throw out racist or bigot aren’t projecting their own racism and bigotry? Why do they seem to have such low expectations of blacks and seem convinced of their own superiority?
Tanny O'Haley (12193c) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:25 amTanny, are you calling me a racist or saying that one shouldn’t call others racists, or both? lol…
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:35 amI’m calling the following statement an ad hominem attack.
It doesn’t address the content of the post, it just calls Patterico a racist. Actually it looks like your comment affirms the post. I did not call you a racist as I don’t know you. I used the generic “those on the left” terminology. As far as you being a racist, you wrote the following.
Tanny O'Haley (12193c) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:48 amTanny: can’t you see how, by exactly the same measure, Patrick’s comment is ad hominem?
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:14 amBig Median: I’m not terribly interested in the particulars of this here feud you folks have got going on, but I am interested in the structures and undercurrents of these sorts of themes as they play out in political life.
It seems to me that your conception of “racism” is pretty shallow and naïve. (It could also be OTOH cynical and self-serving, but it’s quite amazing how often those two ends meet right around the corner.) So that for you to stagger about callling this one or that one “racist” is essentially a waste of everyone’s time… except insofar as it illustrates the ways in which the Left is motivated by shallowness and vitriol more than anything else. In this you have performed a yeoman service.
d. in c. (ac417f) — 5/10/2011 @ 2:02 amThanks d. in c.! I’m always happy when commenters confirm readership. Maybe if you decide to get “terribly interested” you’ll have something a little more cogent to say about it.
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 2:14 amI like Common well enough. I like Mos Def, especially in Black Star. I work out to t a lot of hip hop.
Talking violence in art doesn’t bug me much. I like Dwight Yoakum, too, and he has a great song about killing a lady. So does Neil Young. And Led Zep. And Thin Lizzy. You get the idea.
Just saying….
Lee Stranahan (708cc3) — 5/10/2011 @ 4:00 amI have a theory. They are themselves racists, which is why they get such pleasure from calling others racists even when it makes no sense to do so. It’s reassuring to them. The unspoken thought process that someone like Big Median goes through is something like this: “Hey, if I can label my opponents as racists, that helps dispel that sneaking suspicion I have that I consider minorities to be inferior.”
Embrace your inner racist, Big Median!
Comment by Patterico — 5/9/2011 @ 11:39 pm
Well, hate to make blanket statements but…well. Here I go.
People who assume pretty much everyone of a certain skin color or ethnicity should think “X”, or does think “Y,” or puts people in buckets all together by race (cf: “the black community” etc etc etc) are most certainly racist themselves.
*waves cheerfully to Big Median*
PS not exactly off topic but I love love love Pres. Bush’s phrase “the soft bigotry of low expectations.” In just six words it encapsulates so much that is wrong with those who hold far-left views today. In so many areas of politics and society.
no one you know (fd287d) — 5/10/2011 @ 4:48 amI work out to t a lot of hip hop.
Comment by Lee Stranahan — 5/10/2011 @ 4:00 am
Me too. But violence in lyrics does bug me. IMO some of the clean hip hop artists don’t get nearly enough credit, or even a listen, just because they’re clean. Sue me but Will Smith is a favorite, the off-radio stuff even better than the on. And Christian-rap Grits even more so. Etc.
no one you know (fd287d) — 5/10/2011 @ 4:53 amBig MFM median is on a bender. RACISTS!!!!!
What other names have you been banned under, big median? It did not take long for your little tics to surface.
JD (b98cae) — 5/10/2011 @ 5:34 amMoochele should invite a few more like minded compadres to her party. It ain’t like she’s gonna pick up the tab. Racist and bigot Reverend Wright would fit right in with the Nation of Islam’s Calypso Louis, the New Black Panthers could guard the door, and Eric Holder could make sure anyone caught misbehavin’ get off the hook.
ropelight (ca7c9a) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:00 amBig Median,
I of course don’t *know* you to be a racist — or, I didn’t until you admitted that you are one. I was simply making an educated guess based on your eagerness to walk right into my trap. It’s as if you had no self-awareness at all. There is no sense that you even considered the thought that you were about to prove me right by rushing to declare as racist my sentiment that the White House ought not be propping up a rapper who engages in the usual “let’s kill cops and President Bush!” fringe left cry for attention.
I judge that you are overcompensating for your own racism. I am glad that you at least admit that racism. That’s the first step.
The second step is realizing it is not benign.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:23 amPatterico,, this Bowel Movement fellow isn’t very smart. He keeps getting pranked. But it is funny to watch him act reflexively, get laughed at, then respond angrily. All it needs is a foot stomp.
Where do you find these people?
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:37 amI’m not sure why anyone should pay attention to the views of a self-declared racist like you, Big Median — or should I say imdw? — but I will use your assertion as a lesson in how certain leftists argue.
The ultimate goal of people like Big Median (if that *is* your real name) is to shut down legitimate commentary by labeling it racist. I criticize fringe groups and lawbreakers of every stripe. I am allowed to criticize Fred Phelps (and do) without being labeled anti-Christian by folks like Big Median. But if I criticize radical Islam — even while consistently distinguishing it from radical Islam — then I am an anti-Muslim bigot. I am allowed to criticize lawbreakers (and do) — until the laws broken are federal immigration laws. Than I am an anti-Latino racist. And so on.
You make broad claims about what my site says on a daily basis yet you have only recently surfaced. Why do I suspect that you are a returning troll, previously banned for publishing what you thought was my home address? I ask Aaron to check whether this racist coward is using proxies in violation of the policies here. If he’s not, I’ll eat my hat. And I’m from Texas — so it’s a big hat.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:46 amPatrick: You’re wildly, deliberately misrepresenting what I said. I repeatedly emphasized that the type of racist I think you are IS NOT BASED ON YOUR VIEWS on the rapper. I made that abundantly clear. Yet somehow, you feel you can write:
“you were about to prove me right by rushing to declare as racist my sentiment that the White House ought not be propping up a rapper who engages in the usual “let’s kill cops and President Bush!”
Again, I most pointedly did not say opposing a crude rapper who urges violence makes you a racist. I said: Patrick: Shouldn’t an assessment of your views on race be based on this blog in its entirety, rather than on your position on one specific issue or another?
Day-in, day-out, you target blacks, Hispanics and Muslims for criticism and give praise to those who do the same. You have absolutely zero tolerance for anti-Jewish comments, but tolerate a wide variety of anti-Muslim slurs and bigotry.
Why do you expect, or even demand, that people ignore that context in assessing your views on Obama? Do you really think your long, broad record of attacking ethnic minorities and defending whites is irrelevant?
I am calling you a racist because of the choices you make on this blog. You tolerate bigotry against Muslims, while banning anyone instantly for a single word of anti-Jewish bigotry. You target blacks and hispanics for specific criticism, while defending whites over and over again. That is the pattern and you can’t deny it.
More important, I am calling you a very specific type of racist. The general terms racism and racist are almost meaningless A. because everyone’s racist to one extent or another and B. because the accusation is so often leveled without substance.
If the shoe fits, Patrick, wear it! If it doesn’t, stop insisting on trying it on then complaining when people note that you’re wearing it…
Big Median (066d74) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:46 amWell, Patterico, if this person is a previously banned jerk, much makes sense. But he sure responds reflexively when you ring his Pavlovian bell.
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:51 amOh, and the word “bigotry” has a broad definition. This guy does not get that he is being pranked, repeatedly: shown doing the things he claims to detest.
Too reflexive or not so smart? Hard to say.
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:53 ambig median:
let me focus on this one:
> Day-in, day-out, you target … Muslims for criticism
that’s not true, or wildly misleading. He has specifically said for instance that it was an insult to good muslims to give bin laden a “proper” islamic burial. yeah, he is targetting an alleged muslim–bin laden–but he is simultaneously disassociating the rest of islam from that piece of human garbage. examples like this abound.
so either you are pretending (or imagining) that patrick does something he doesn’t do, or it is your position that you just can’t criticism any alleged muslims without being a bigot. take your pick.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:53 amImdw hopes that by repeating verbatim his discredited attempts to squelch speech by calling it bigoted, he will magically confer legitimacy on his transparent and predictable self-compensating cries of racism.
If the shoe fits, imdw, wear it. Admit your racism.
Oh, wait: you did.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 6:54 amPatrick: Again you skirt the point of my comment and misrepresent what I am saying.
There is absolutely nothing with speaking out against criminal behavior or what you deem to be dumb politics or whatever, really, you think is bad behavior. The problem is that your commentary about black people and black politics is almost always negative. Same for Latinos, same for Muslims.
As I’ve said over and over again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with singling out a black rapper for criticism. The problem is that you’re singling him out right after singling out latinos on immigration and right after attacking a settlement for unfairly favoring black farmers right after attacking the president for not being sufficiently anti-Muslim.
Pardon me if I do the math. Bottom line is beyond dispute. You use this blog to attack ethnic minorities and Muslims. So even if each and every one of your beefs with them are legit, you still need to explain why your focus is there and not on the wider world of misdeeds aplenty…
Big Median (066d74) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:01 amactually given my views on global warming, clearly this is a hate site.
https://patterico.com/2011/05/10/so-does-this-mean-that-funding-pbs-and-npr-violates-the-establishment-clause/
(that comment kind of makes sense when you read the post at the link.)
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:01 amI am only guessing it is imdw based on JD’s suspicions. He is usually right about such things. And yet . . . the person sounds more like another long-banned commenter to me.
Let’s try this.
Big Median: I think if you really want to learn more, you should listen to Rush Limbaugh. He has much to say that could educate you.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:02 amI am not calling you a racist because of this post, I am calling you a racist because of your racisty racisms. You are a f@cking parody of a caricature, sock puppet. The word racism no longer carries any meaning because clowns like your have raped the english language in pursuit of your hyper-partisan broadsides. Unknowingly, you have served as a live object lesson to Lee’s most recent post.
JD (85b089) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:06 amYeah, I’m thinking not imdw, despite JD’s track record of accuracy. imdw doesn’t write in complete sentences.
Definitely a previously banned troll though. I think I know who.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:06 amYou tell me, Patrick. Why the focus on misdeeds of latinos, blacks and Muslims? Aren’t there enough misdeeds by white liberals to keep you busy?
And while you’re at it, do you really believe that racism is a binary question, ie one is either racist or not racist? Or do you have a developed understanding that there are many different types and degrees of racism and that all but a few exceptions are racist in one way or another?
Big Median (066d74) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:09 amI do not think it is iamadimwit. But I know it is a new iteration of a prior troll.
JD (306f5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:11 amAs I’ve said over and over again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with singling out a black rapper for criticism. The problem is that you’re singling him out right after singling out latinos on immigration and right after attacking a settlement for unfairly favoring black farmers right after attacking the president for not being sufficiently anti-Muslim.
Pardon me if I do the math. Bottom line is beyond dispute. You use this blog to attack ethnic minorities and Muslims. So even if each and every one of your beefs with them are legit, you still need to explain why your focus is there and not on the wider world of misdeeds aplenty…
Comment by Big Median — 5/10/2011 @ 7:01 am
My dear Big Median,
Do you not perceive that “doing the math” with “race” as your only numerals of course is going to get you a race-related result?
I do the math and I see: criticizing the White House for bringing an artist who advocates killing cops in their lyrics. Is this rapper good to be associated with those who represent the US? Criticizing Al Pires and many other lawyers for enabling and enriching themselves by means of fraud, which fraud is by the way hurting the actual farmers it was meant to help. Criticizing those who want to “jump the line” and hurt legal immigrants by flouting the rules which are set up (and if we don’t like current immigration quotas, we can work to change them. Et cetera.
Do you see how I think each of those issues without regard to race? It simply does not occur to me, and to other people on this site, to make judgements about people which are affected by their skin color. You are apparently unable to avoid it. This is why (and I applaud you for being self-aware) that you are a racist. As Patterico says, the next step is realizing how your prejudices are, at least from what I can see, coloring both your own views on issues as well as your view of those who do not agree with you.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:12 amDing ding ding, Bowel Movement. Pavlov is ringing just for you.
Nothing but a troll.
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:12 amIt is Hax Vobiscum. I was only calling him imdw because I thought JD believed he was imdw and JD is usually right.
But it’s not a proxy, and imdw always uses proxies and has a different writing style.
It is Hax Vobiscum calling me a racist. Which helps because I know who that is. He is a Big Media journalist who fancies himself not a leftist. Hence the name.
Did I ban him or did he simply flee after I exposed him as a liar? I’ll have to research that later.
Anyway, y’all should be warned when dealing with a repeat troll.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:15 amSorry, JD, but your characterization doesn’t wash.
I’ve prevented detailed explanations of exactly how and exactly why I think Patrick is racist and exactly the type of racist I think he is, notably that he is the type that doesn’t actually hate black people, but is willing to try to stoke and draw the support of those who do.
No surprise that Patrick is busy dodging every question, misrepresenting my comments and misdirecting discussion to an absurd discussion about what he doesn’t know about my identity. It’s apparently his MO to always find some reason to ban people who make him look bad. Again, that’s a reflection of his mentality and still more evidence of what his real motives are here.
Big Median (066d74) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:16 amGee, Hax, I criticize white liberals all the time. It’s just that racist liberals like you don’t happen to comment on race when I do. Because you’re an overcompensating racist. As you admit.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:19 amComment by Big Median — 5/10/2011 @ 7:16 am
Apparent shorter Big Median: Al Pires and Lawrence O’Donnell are actually black inside, otherwise you wouldn’t be criticizing them.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:19 amGuys,
When you talk to Hax, make sure to praise Rush Limbaugh. It makes Hax’s head explode.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:20 amBig Median/Imdw/whatevz:
You’re confusing generalizing with racism, unless you’re trying to argue for the risible notion of unconscious racism.
And I find it odd that some of the folks you accuse are in multi-racial marriages, or of mixed decent themselves. That seems misguided and capricious to me.
just my two cents
Bob Reed (5f2db5) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:22 amWell, you didn’t admit overcompensating. Just racism.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:23 amYa see leftys call us racist but decry interracial marriage.
All hail Limbaugh.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:24 amBig median
> The problem is that your commentary about black people and black politics is almost always negative. Same for Latinos, same for Muslims.
Notice since I schooled you, you dialed that back. “almost always” instead of day-in-day out.
Hey, here’s a clue. He’s a blogger. Most of what he does is complains. Even when he is being positive about someone else, it is mainly in relation to them being negative toward someone else.
Take a case in point, this post: https://patterico.com/2011/05/06/condoleeza-kicks-crazy-larrys-behind/
He is praising a black woman, but mainly because she kicked the ass of a white liberal.
> The problem is that you’re singling him out right after singling out latinos on immigration
I am sorry, but there isn’t a large illegal irish immigration problem these days, and the focus of his article was on the politicians not enforcing the law, not on the illegals themselves.
> right after attacking a settlement for unfairly favoring black farmers
Patrick didn’t write that one. And in fact Lee was talking about liberal reaction to his piece on the pigford settlement. Also the agreement also favored black non-farmers, which was part of the problem.
> right after attacking the president for not being sufficiently anti-Muslim.
Which post are you talking about?
By the way the only racist thing actually said was this:
> Aren’t there enough misdeeds by white liberals to keep you busy?
For you to read this blog for, say, a week, and miss all the white people being attacked here, is frankly a sign of racism yourself. indeed, right now the most powerful man in America is black, and somehow because he is black you want Patrick to ignore him, or lest he be accused of attacking a black man too often.
> And while you’re at it, do you really believe that racism is a binary question, ie one is either racist or not racist?
I think its like pregnancy. You can be completely unpregnant. But once you are pregnant, there are degrees. A woman in her first week is different than one at 9 months with octuplets. patrick is like the woman who isn’t preggers at all, and you are expecting twins.
Aaron Worthing (e7d72e) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:24 amHe’s the OctoProg, Aaron.
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:27 am🙄 So let me get this straight Chuckie Manboobies sends his saboteurs to sabotage the Republican Party but we’re racists for saying no 🙄
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:31 amIt’s times like this that I miss Stashiu’s help more than ever. He would have identified Big Median as Hax immediately.
I think Hax might have been banned for slandering Stashiu, actually, if memory serves.
Will check later. Stash, you around? Am I right?
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:32 amNah, the left can’t be labeled racist. Not even when Harry Reid indicates that Marco Rubio should get to the back of the bus and says things that would have a Republican frog marched out of D.C. after the standard tarring and feathering.
I guess Obama is putting off healing all those sensitive racial problems until his second term. But if you want “racist”, I suggest you read Michelle Antoinette’s senior thesis. She doesn’t really like white people, she just likes being able to travel around on her shopping trips while white people’s taxes pay for it.
retire05 (2d538e) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:34 amHacks, in all his MFM glory.
Folks, this assbandit is a JournoList, part of the MFM, just like trolls like Larry Reilly, etc … And people wonder why JournoListers are about as popular as salmonella.
JD (306f5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:34 amAs I’ve said over and over again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with singling out a black rapper for criticism. The problem is that you’re singling him out right after singling out latinos on immigration and right after attacking a settlement for unfairly favoring black farmers right after attacking the president for not being sufficiently anti-Muslim.–BM
This guy is ridiculous. The rapper/poet was not singled out by anyone on this page. He was singled out by the White House. For someone to note that the rapper/poet is also a racial arsonist is not singling him out. No one here elevated the guy.
How can you possibly single out Latinos on immigration. By the way, the only immigration most of us have any problem with is ILLEGAL immigration, a distinction BM and other critics try to gloss over. We don’t like illegal immigration from Asia, Europe or Mexico.
You missed the point of the Pigford articles also, BM, but that’s nothing new. It’s the non-farmers receiving settlements Lee has a problem with. That’s what’s known as a scam. Non farmers, not what color they are. What an absolute POS BM is.
Chris (eafa5f) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:36 amI’m thinking Big Median is going to regret openly admitting to his racism. It’s a shame, because honesty should be rewarded, not punished. Even though he DID call Patterico a racist, am actually starting to feel sorry about the piling-on which he’ll face for, well, as long as he continues on this blog.
Oh wait a minute…NO I’M NOT!
PS: video bonus for Big Median
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:37 amM’chelle like to roll around in it. She was the hoochie what shook the pom poms for that hateful ghetto trash dirty socialist church her family was all up into.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:39 amFound Hax’s banning. I only found it so fast ’cause Patterico likes to say “Bye [insert short nick].” Heh.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:42 amShe was the hoochie what shook the pom poms for that hateful ghetto trash dirty socialist church her family was all up into.
Comment by happyfeet — 5/10/2011 @ 7:39 am
Um, what?
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:43 amNoyk – it was banned under other names as well. It is a frequent flyer. This clown is a JournoList. This is the mindset that writes what the MFm does, then claims objectivity. If this is how Hax truly thinks of those that do not agree with his hyper-partisan outlook, can you imagine how that colors with journolist coverage?
JD (d48c3b) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:48 amhi noyk my unnerstanding is this famous rap artist poet person who nobody has heard of went to the hate church with clan Obama for years and years
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/10/2011 @ 7:51 amHax – Mark Levin and Jeff Goldstein are black jews? Who knew?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:01 amWell, it’s an interesting conundrum.
Hax richly deserved his ban for (as I correctly remembered) slandering Stashiu.
I made a point of wanting to invite back to the blog people who were previously banned. But then, that mostly seems to be a mistake.
I welcome dissenting voices on policy but it’s hard to find those voices without their wasting your time baselessly calling you a racist and such.
So do we keep Hax or not? I’ll have to think about it.
However, given the reason for Hax’s banning, I’m very interested in the admitted racist’s response to this question:
Do you approve of the shooting of bin Laden given that he was unarmed, Big Median/Hax?
It wlll be interesting to see how the racist reconciles his views on Stash with his views on killing bin Laden.
How about it, admitted racist Big Median?
Patterico (ed7384) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:03 amPatterico – The history of Hax is that it is a proven liar, contradicting itself from thread to thread, so who knows what type of answer you will get today versus tomorrow. It is all performance art. Hax wanted to get banned last time. Its goal is clearly to stir up sh*t this time rather than to interact in good faith.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:15 am______________________________________
They are themselves racists, which is why they get such pleasure from calling others racists even when it makes no sense to do so.
Always keep in mind the following and remember that most people’s leftist sentiments generally begin during their earlier years, or around the time when they’re teenagers. In effect, liberalism is born BAD.
Mark (411533) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:24 amHow do you guys feel about the lyrics to the song “I Shot the Sheriff”? or “Gunman” by David Bowie?
What’s my point here? The kinds of themes which show up in modern rap music have been showing up in rock music for decades. The difference is, for the most part, rock lyrics about killing cops gets a pass, while rap doesn’t.
I don’t think it’s racist. But I think there’s an element of tribalism to it.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:26 am_____________________________________________
First Lady Michelle Obama has…invited…a successful Chicago poet and rapper.
Is anyone surprised by that? After all, she and her husband sat in Jeremiah Wright’s “Goddamn America,” “chickens coming home to roost” church for almost 20 years. Not only were they not turned off by such rhetoric, they (or certainly the guy now in the Oval Office) made the instigater of such demagoguery a trusted adviser.
Mark (411533) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:30 amHax Vobiscum re-registered as “Big Median.” That’s very … original!
I agree with Lee. BFD. Common rocks. I would have said the same if Bush had Hank III or Townes Van Zandt at the White House.
carlitos (c2a84d) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:32 amI missed where Clapton talked about burning President Bush.
JD (b98cae) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:33 amaphrael, I’m not sure if it’s tribal, but there is something about the spoken word that makes the violence stand out. Singing it is a bit more indirect. I mean “Burnin’ and a Lootin’ tonight” in a Bob Marley falsetto just doesn’t evoke the reaction of Biggie saying “You hesitatin, I ‘m in your mama crib waitin. Duct tapin, your fam” etc.
carlitos (c2a84d) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:36 amJD, The Offspring sang a song about killing the president. So did NoFX. Granted, those are contemporary rock acts, rather than classic ones … but they’re not nearly as controversial as similar lyrics in rap.
Carlitos, I think there’s something to that, but I think it’s also true that it’s much easier to criticize music in a style you don’t listen to and don’t like much … and much easier to forgive and let slide questionable lyrics in music you otherwise like.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:42 amNo idea who The Offspring and NoFX are. What President did they sing about killing? I know this much, it was not about Obarcky.
JD (b98cae) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:46 amFair point. Heck, the Duke’s opening stanza of Rigoletto is basically a Rennaissance-era “pimps and hos,” complete with violent threats from the court jester.
But Verdi’s opera threatening to kill a Duke is different from Ice T singing “cop killa” because…
carlitos (c2a84d) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:49 amI really wish this site had an edit for comments. I meant to do that strikeout thingie.
Verdi’s opera threatening to kill a Duke is different from Common rapping “Burn a Bush” because…
carlitos (c2a84d) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:51 amJD: I’m kinda shocked you don’t know the Offspring, as I can’t imagine you haven’t heard some of their songs on the radio. Both of them are punk bands; NoFX dates to the 80s, the Offspring to the 90s.
NoFX was singing about President Bush. I believe, based on the date, that the Offspring were singing about President Clinton, but both of them, the lyrics are sufficiently nondescript that they could be about anybody. This isn’t as surprising as it might be; the nihilism in punk is fairly nonpartisan.
Anyhow, my point is that violent anti-government anti-establishment lyrics, while they’re more prominent in mainstream rap than in other genres, have existed in other music genres for a long time. But only the rap versions tend to generate controversy … a fact that I think has more to do with the fact that they’re rap than solely the mere content of the lyrics.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:51 amThis guy needs to make “Second amendment remedies” sign for the next tea party protest.
jbrauer (b12fab) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:52 amCarlitos – well, today, it’s different because Verdi’s opera is old, and that makes it not a threat any more. It’s a little bit like if someone wrote a song threatening to kill President Adams.
And maybe, in the context of the time, the fact that the opera was commissioned by royalty made it different.
But otherwise, I think it’s the same concept: music which talks about offing a political figure who is unpopular with the audience isn’t unusual. I don’t tend to like such music – I don’t listen to Common, for example; my rap listening these days is pretty much limited to Spearhead and K’Naan – but neither do I think it represents a serious threat, and I basically just think it’s part of the background noise of popular culture.
I’m *far more* disconcerted when such rhetoric shows up in political debate than when it appears in music.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:58 am_______________________________________
But Verdi’s opera threatening to kill a Duke is different from Ice T singing “cop killa” because…
Probably because political correctness (run amok or otherwise) emanates mostly from the left and because the harshness and crudeness of rap music are reflected in the dysfunction that continues to roil a large portion of the community that ultra-liberals like the Obamas most closely identify with or want to shed tears over (ie, black America).
BTW, isn’t it ironic that a variety of progressives get indignant if the phrase “black America” or “black” is used instead of “African-America” or African-American,” certainly in the context of today’s era of popularized trash talking and rap lyrics.
Mark (411533) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:01 amNo nuclear power pants………….except in iran.
/Leftys who do not care if iranians need to evacuate or something.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:05 ambecause the harshness and crudeness of rap music are reflected in the dysfunction that continues to roil a large portion of the community
I think that’s conflating cause and effect. 🙂 The harshness and crudeness of much rap music are often a reflection of the dysfunction.
Although i’m not sure I even want to say that. I think a lot of mainstream rap is deliberately dysfunctional under the theory that being sensational will sell more records. But I’m not certain how much of my believing that is justified and how much of it is my own musical prejudices causing me to be more critical of music I dislike. 🙂
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:05 amSo when the power plants shut down these anti-nuclear commies better not complain when their roasting in their own overheated home.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:08 amDohBiden, um … what are you talking about? 🙂
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:10 amActually he has something against LIBERAL black men (and also LIBERAL white men and LIBERAL Asian men). Having something against liberal blacks is not the same as having something against blacks. But you have some psychotic circular reasoning thing you probably learned in college in which they are the same.
Gerald A (8e99c8) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:12 amAphrael, with all due respect, the harshness and crudeness of most rap music is ALL about selling product to rich white kids. Like the Internet, kids like to sound tough.
Simon Jester (534617) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:13 am__________________________________________
I think that’s conflating cause and effect.
Just keep in mind that the black community is one of the most liberal in America (ie, 90-plus percent of black voters favor liberals and the Democrat Party), and that left-leaning policies and programs now date back over 40 years, starting with the “War on Poverty” in the 1960s. IOW, we’ve had decades to observe whether liberalism (both practice and policy) inculcates humane, decent, generous, sophisticated behavior. Does it? Well, er, uh, um, uh.
Mark (411533) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:15 amMark: I think we’re talking past each other.
I took the harshness and crudeness of rap music are reflected in the dysfunction that continues to roil a large portion of the community to mean that you were saying that the harshness and crudeness of rap music helped create the dysfunction. I think that’s wrong; I think the dysfunction created the harshness and crudeness of rap music, not the other way around. Your subsequent point about liberalism appears, in that context, as a non sequiter.
Simon Jester: sure, there’s an element of mainstream rap which is about kids liking to sound tough. And it’s totally bizarre to hear when white kids are listening to rap which is all about how tough it is to survive in the hood.
And yet: white kids aren’t the primary consumers of most rap. This is really stunningly evident when you compare the demographics at rap shows to the demographics at electronica or rock shows.
Which is to say, I think there’s something to what you say, but I also think you’re exaggerating its importance and effect.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:20 amHe has not singled out latinos on immigration. He talked about a policy of San Francisco of releasing illegal immigrants. He didn’t say anything specifically about Latinos, nor does the policy say anything specifically about Latinos. Neither he (nor Lee Stranahan who has actually written the Pigford articles) has ever attacked the Pigford settlement for “unfairly favoring black farmers”. Nor did he attack the president for not being sufficiently anti-Muslim (also Muslim is not a race so that is logically unrelated to allegations of racism).
Those are all either deliberate lies or delusions resulting from your psychotic circular reasoning methodologies you probably learned in college.
Gerald A (8e99c8) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:28 amI gotta red cup M’chelle fill it up for me
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:31 am_________________________________________
you were saying that the harshness and crudeness of rap music helped create the dysfunction.
No, the dysfunction definitely predates the culture of rap.
Perhaps the only person in the public eye who has been willing to describe such destructive (and self-destructive) behavior openly is “shock jock” Howard Stern. That’s mainly because he attended a public school that went from being predominantly white to mostly black. And that was over 30 to 40 years ago.
I too observed a situation like what he experienced, and I saw behavior that, certainly in retrospect, was borderline psychotic. It certainly was anything but humane and sophisticated—even though, again, it was closely affiliated with a community where left-leaning biases — or at least voting habits — flourished.
Mark (411533) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:33 amHow do you guys feel about the lyrics to the song “I Shot the Sheriff”? or “Gunman” by David Bowie?
That’s a really good question, aphrael. (Don’t know the David Bowie song but used to like “ISTS”.) Am still thinking about it but off the top of my head, wasn’t “ISTS” about [paraphrasing] “I know it was wrong but I was defending myself – he was about to shoot me” ?
Here are the lyrics.
What’s my point here? The kinds of themes which show up in modern rap music have been showing up in rock music for decades. The difference is, for the most part, rock lyrics about killing cops gets a pass, while rap doesn’t.
I don’t think it’s racist. But I think there’s an element of tribalism to it.
Comment by aphrael — 5/10/2011 @ 8:26 am
Am not sure that rock lyrics about killing cops would get as much of a pass today as it would in prior decades, partly because a lot more people actually do get shot today or hear very quickly when a school shooting happens etc. Violence is (statistically) much more immediate and close to home today. When I was a kid and heard that song, I thought it was about the Old West or something, very removed from many kids’ experience.
Plus, not to put too fine a point on it, Bob Marley wasn’t saying “Yeah! Let’s kill all the sheriffs with an Uzi and BTW all the deputies too!”
But discussion of this is very interesting, I think. Here’s another decades-old example of a rock song about killing innocent passersby and cops. Its lead character’s dialogue is very similar in tone to Bob Marley’s. What do people think of this song today? Would it be controversial today, do you think?
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:35 amher name was lola
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:40 amFair enough on the Offspring. I googled and they had A song that was once mildly amusing.
I am on a Zac Brown Band kick right now. And Lemonade Mouth. Ugh.
JD (0d2ffc) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:41 amher name was lola
Comment by happyfeet — 5/10/2011 @ 9:40 am
LOL
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:42 amJD, The offspring were responsible for one of the most haunting songs of the 90s. The truly haunting nature of it isn’t so clear when they sing it, but this cover really drives it home.
aphrael (9802d6) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:46 amZac Brown Band have excellent taste in beverages.
carlitos (c2a84d) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:46 amI am going to add that to my iPad, aphrael. thanks.
Carlitos – I now like them even more.
JD (a10129) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:50 am“I know it was wrong but I was defending myself – he was about to shoot me? ”
He “swears” it was in self defense. You and anyone can detect the sarcasm there, in the hope that that excuse will hold up in court. But Common’s lyric’s references to arming oneself against the police are also to defend against perceived injustices:
“On the streets, they try to beat us like a drum. In Cincinnati, another brother hung”
jbrauer (8c2482) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:54 amJbrauer – what other names have you commented under?
JD (306f5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:26 amWhile we’re on the subject of rap, this song I heard on the radio this morning was surprisingly good. I’m not familiar with the artist; I suspect I should be.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:42 amComment by jbrauer — 5/10/2011 @ 9:54 am
Well…am not familiar w/ Common lyrics. I guess all I was saying is, there’s a definite difference between “a man was about to shoot me so I shot him first” (and kind of Old West-y to boot) dramatization in a song” vs. [again, paraphrasing] “we’ve got to burn President Bush” and “let’s kill a bunch of cops because they did our community wrong.”
One has a certain, I don’t know, specificity and current-day immediacy to it that the other song lacks. And I can see how those two factors can contribute to making a song more controversial than it otherwise would.
Kind of like an artist’s (visual) portrait of an Old West shootout, vs. a very realistic depiction of (for the sake of argument, with all white characters) a few modern-day street thugs kicking a policeman around, and a few more shooting another graphically in the head.
One portrait might get a little more reaction than another. Just saying.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:42 amWhile we’re on the subject of rap, this song I heard on the radio this morning was surprisingly good. I’m not familiar with the artist; I suspect I should be.
Comment by aphrael — 5/10/2011 @ 10:42 am
aphrael,
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:45 amI like rap but the link isn’t working for me. Would you mind posting again so I can check it out? Thanks.
The politics of Common’s verse is odious, but considered as art, his poetry is sublime.
gp (72be5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:47 amArrgghh, comment editor left out my “close sarcasm” tag. So yeah, I was being sarcastic.
gp (72be5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:48 amNo one – try this one instead.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:50 amThanks for the link, aphrael. Liked it better than the original Neil Young actually 🙂 (never developed a taste for him)
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:05 amNo One – i spent a decade and a half living as a hippie in santa cruz. Of course I learned to like Neil Young.
But, in general, I like this kind of genre-mixing, especially when it’s done with apparent reverence for the source, like this was. 🙂
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:12 amTry it in parentheses instead of HTML tags, i.e. (/sarc)
Darth Venomous (c7e125) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:12 amA song about a innocent who kills a sherriff out of self defence = a song about killing a President
Non
“Freedom came my way one day
East Bay Jay (2fd7f7) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:17 amAnd I started out of town, yeah!
All of a sudden I saw sheriff John Brown
Aiming to shoot me down”
“Well…am not familiar w/ Common lyrics.”
I just followed the link and read them.
““we’ve got to burn President Bush” and “let’s kill a bunch of cops because they did our community wrong.” ”
The “burn a bush” didn’t strike me as literal, as in actually setting president Bush on fire. Besides the biblical reference, “burn” can also refer to causing someone to feel heat. As in “white house burned by mid term election results.”
Also “let’s kill a bunch of cops because they did our community wrong” isn’t what the song is saying. You shouldn’t put it in quotes. The final few lines sound more like another version of the typical second amendment fetishist’s “an armed society is a polite society.”
jbrauer (2afffb) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:24 amAphrael – check out GangstaGrass, fusion of rap and bluegrass, on the theme song from Justified.
JD (29e1cd) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:24 amJbrauer – what other names have you been banned under?
JD (b98cae) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:28 amBut, in general, I like this kind of genre-mixing, especially when it’s done with apparent reverence for the source, like this was. 🙂
Comment by aphrael — 5/10/2011 @ 11:12 am
Me too, a lot. And a surprising amt of rap these days does it.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:30 amJbrauer is a hypocrite.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:32 amAlso “let’s kill a bunch of cops because they did our community wrong” isn’t what the song is saying. You shouldn’t put it in quotes.
Comment by jbrauer — 5/10/2011 @ 11:24 am
Apologies if this wasn’t clear…I did intend that to be included in that “[paraphrased]” earlier in the sentence. After a misunderstanding here a few months ago am trying to be extra careful about making sure my paraphrases-by-quotation-marks are noted as such.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:34 amthe typical second amendment fetishist’s “an armed society is a polite society.”
Comment by jbrauer — 5/10/2011 @ 11:24 am
What’s a “second amendment fetishist,” btw? Is there a difference between that and, say, an NRA member, or a multiple-gun owner, and if so, what is it?
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:37 amNoyk – the modern leftists like to use sexualized terms to describe their political opposition, ie teabaggers, 2nd Amendment fetishists, etc …
I suspect that this definition means actually adhering to the Amendment.
This is just a clumsy BUNNIES attempt by a vile troll. There has been a Moronic Convergence here again. Spring must have got them all riled up.
JD (306f5d) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:53 amjbrauer does seem to have a tendency against intelligent disagreement.
Regardless, if you don’t like the second amendment, there is a process for amending to constitution. The reason opponents don’t follow this process is because their ideals are profoundly unpopular and extreme.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:20 pmJbrauer is a punk.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 12:28 pmNoyk – the modern leftists like to use sexualized terms to describe their political opposition, ie teabaggers, 2nd Amendment fetishists, etc …
I suspect that this definition means actually adhering to the Amendment…
Comment by JD — 5/10/2011 @ 11:53 am
Just found it amusing that jbrauer never took issue w/ the accuracy of the paraphrase of the lyrics – appears he agrees the lyrics justify killing some cops for the “perceived injustices” (and yes, that’s a direct quote — from jbrauer above) of some others.
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:18 pmHe is a socialist dick.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:22 pmHe is a socialist dick.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:22 pmWHAT?
I double posted again.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:22 pmJust so we’re clear, more complete lyrics at the link:
…They want us to hold justice
but you handed me none
The same they did to Kobe and Michael Jackson
make them the main attraction
Turn around and attack them
Black gem in the rough
You’re rugged enough
Use your mind and nine-power, get the government touch
Them boys chat-chat on how him pop gun
I got the black strap to make the cops run…
no one you know (325a59) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:23 pmGood music.
/Jbauer
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:29 pmI prefer Warren Zevon for twisted lyrics.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 1:49 pmI prefer if you like lyrics about cop killing go listen to Iced T or 50 cent………..I know I know they ain’t like that for real.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 2:31 pmall the other kids with the pumped up kicks you’d better run better run
faster than my bullet
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 5/10/2011 @ 4:59 pmIn most cases I’d opt for stabbed over shot, but I’m not in the White House, so what do I know
SteveG (cc5dc9) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:30 pmSorry, just got online for today. Yes, Big Median is definitely: Hax Vobiscum / Darnell / Dark Beergod / Dark Beergood / Bernie / bunkerbuster / Fur Bikini / Jackson / Lenny / Woody / many, many others.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/10/2011 @ 8:37 pmEh, ban him, Aaron.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:00 pmAnd yes, Hax (along with Ed from PA aka truthnjustice aka many, many others) was once banned by you for taking comments I made out of context and using them to call me a murderer. He has been banned several other times under many names for similar dishonest behavior.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:09 pm“Eh, ban him, Aaron.”
Patterico – imdw as jbauer, or Jack Bauer, nailed by JD makes a twofer day.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:09 pmAnd just for giggles, looked at jbrauer… it’s imdw who has also posted under many, many other names.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:17 pmI give him 24 hours[A day] to whine about reichwing bigotry.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:19 pmAccusing people of racism without evidence is tiring and stupid.
So, thanks for ban. There are plenty of other lefties to debate who can do so honestly.
Ag80 (4797fe) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:19 pmSo, do we have any psychiatrists around here? Why do these nasty troll types keep coming back? Or is it like one of those “where does belly button lint come from?” questions.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:28 pmAaron has banned jbrauer. He correctly ID’d him as imdw.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:39 pmSimon,
I think the trolls think my blog is really, really important.
I think they think it is more important than I do.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:40 pm#135 — heh heh.
You just used the words “lefties” and “honestly” in the same sentence. Chortle.
The only accurate co-usage of the two would be something like: “Honestly! I honestly can’t explain why leftists are such malignant, duplicitous little c#cks. Oh wait, yes I can.”
d. in c. (17012e) — 5/10/2011 @ 9:55 pmSimon: I’m not surprised you’re mystified by someone who would spend time and energy pitting their ideas and opinions against opposition in a hostile environment. Your participation here demonstrates that you prefer to present your ideas in an environment where they are certain to be recieve overwhelming assent. That explains a lot about how you arrive at your ideology and positions in the first place.
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:27 pmThe last thing I need is to hear a bunch of people telling me how smart I am or confirming my ideology as the pure sunlight of reason against the dark evil of ignorance proposed by opponents. I assume almost all my ideas are wrong in one way or another — fundamentally mistaken in some cases or wrong in specific detail in others — and I’m interested in finding out exactly how they are wrong.
Nor am I repelled by ad hominem. I consider the turret’s-like sputtering of JD, for example, to be amusing evidence that my ideas are at least sound enough to leave him and the other name-callers here agitated, but without a cogent response.
I have the courage of my convictions, whereas most of the insane insult parrots who chatter juvenile, redundant contumely here apparently live in utter terror of being shown wrong yet again…
Hmmm. I thought Hax was no more. But notice that the spelling is off. It’s possible he is being imitated here.
But I do enjoy the conceit of a person claiming to assume that their ideas are wrong in one of several ways, yet also having the courage of their convictions. That’s sort of like “jumbo shrimp.”
Medication is necessary. Stat.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:35 pm“I have the courage of my convictions”
Big Median – HaHaHaHa
That’s obviously why you do not stoop to answering questions when confronted with the lies contained in your comments here, right?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:39 pmAaron:
Please do a more better job of banning Big Median. kthxbai
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:44 pmYou assume correctly, my admitted racist Big Media friend.
Now go far, far away. I am still angry at you for your slander of Stashiu, a man whose snot has more integrity than you have in your totality.
Patterico (c218bd) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:46 pmSeriously, is this goofball for real?
Well, no fear of that. But hey, isn’t this guy a Journolist dude? He might get his fluffing there.
But this is the part that just screams Juice Box Brigade:
Contumely? Really?
I went and got a nice dictionary definition for that one. Here it is:
What is it with the Left that they project so?
Now, Nero Wolfe can use a word like contumely, as can Shakespeare. But this maroon?
He is a regular Bulwer-Lytton contestant.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 10:57 pmThe obsession with my identity is both hilarious and telling. If wingnuts had a more potent response to my ideas, they wouldn’t bother with who I am or whether I came from, they’d happily fire away. Instead, they grab at straws.
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:16 pmPoor Patrick. Doomed to lose one argument after another in real life, so spends his days policing his blog, where everyone agrees with him, or gets banned.
You purport to attack liberalism here, but really, you just attack your own credibility…
So, let’s be clear. Big Median, you are *not* actually Hax? And you have never, ever posted here under other names, trying to avoid bannings?
Just curious. Because it is sort of odd behavior, if you are in fact the fellow who posted such nasty and untrue things in the past.
I mean, given the “Ballad of the Green Berets” vibe to your earlier self-congratulatory posts.
In fact, here is a word that applies to the last few posts of yours, you silly person: twee.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:22 pmAnd Patterico? Don’t you enjoy a person like this actually claiming that you are attacking your own credibility?
Again, it’s like they aren’t aware of their own projection. It’s narcissistic arrogance.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:23 pmSimon: instead of obsessing over my identity, how about you school me on what in the world the “juicebox brigade” is. Do I drink juice from a box? Indeed I do. What I don’t get is why in the world you think that’s so relevant you add in in heavy rotation in your substance-free insult blasts…lol
Big Median (2f532a) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:38 pmAnd yes, if anyone ever claims Patrick Frey is not a delusional ideologue, this blog stands as case-closing proof they are wrong.
“If wingnuts had a more potent response to my ideas”
Big Moron – You should have told people what you were posting were supposed to be ideas, not parody. We would not have laughed so hard.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:43 pmSimon Jester… no doubt it is actually Hax. I checked very thoroughly. He likely won’t confirm or deny it though. Just another dishonest troll who has been spanked here so often it got good to him.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:44 pm#149
Please try to make sense. “Do I drink juice from a box” sounds like a deleted line from Dr. Suess’ “Green Eggs and Ham”
SteveG (cc5dc9) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:47 pmSpeaking of delusional ideologues, Stashiu3…
I just don’t get people like this. It’s the “I’m trying to be tough” vibe coupled with the precious writing style.
You know what comes to mind? “Percy Dovetonsils,” from the Ernie Kovacs show.
And what is so continually funny is his claim that only people devoid of ideas fling insults…followed by his flinging of insults.
Simon Jester (fe4b30) — 5/10/2011 @ 11:49 pmTrolls like this are trying to validate their own worth. Inside, they know how flawed they are, so they put up a facade of intelligence and superiority. Since the facade has no moral or knowledge base, they project what they know… their own shortcomings. The person who sees racist behavior everywhere knows that they themselves are racist, so everyone else must be too and are just hiding it. If that’s not true, they couldn’t look in the mirror.
Insight is not a goal, it’s a threat to their own existence.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:02 am________________________________________________
if anyone ever claims Patrick Frey is not a delusional ideologue
Do these two assessments of certain people’s mental condition strike close to home?
Mark (411533) — 5/11/2011 @ 1:12 amWhen you need someone to defend the indefensible,
narciso lopez (79ddc3) — 5/11/2011 @ 5:09 amyou get Boehlert.
Another cop just killed another unarmed dude in ABQ yesterday – so there’s that. At least Common believes in fair fights.
Leviticus (9a4ba1) — 5/11/2011 @ 7:51 amAnd, as several others have pointed out already, country music is full of all sorts of crazy violent stuff – that’s part of what makes it kind of awesome. It’s anguish-music, just like a lot of rap: strip away the bravado and you find despair.
Leviticus (9a4ba1) — 5/11/2011 @ 7:55 amYes, we’ve all seen ‘Justified’ it’s not nearly the same thing.
narciso lopez (79ddc3) — 5/11/2011 @ 8:05 amIs Hex Hiltzik? I thought he learned his lesson.
ropelight (584fcf) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:06 pmNo, he’s less than that, actually. He believes in generalizing a profession based on a few incidents that are used to foment a division in our society that doesn’t need to exist. It’s not really The Man vs Black People. Let’s not sink down to this ‘Common’ idiot’s level.
If you’re right that a police officer killed someone without cause, it’s not thugs murdering cops who will solve that problem. It’s actually law enforcement you will turn to.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:16 pmhow is that relevant? Does that make it OK? Should presidents elevate extreme hatred and violence? Once we decide whether they should or should not, we can then work on deciding what is and is not hatred and violence. I think these are crystal clear issues, too. No, Obama shouldn’t elevate hatred or violence, and yes, Common’s work is such crap. Is there another example of crap, or another example of someone elevating it who should not? Irrelevant.
I’m sick and tired of Obama hiding behind the failures of others. The Presidency is for leaders who can stand completely on their own.
And I realize you’re hardly a shill for Obama, and I bet you’re right about this country music I don’t listen to, just based on your record of being a straight shooter. But come on.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:20 pm“country music is full of all sorts of crazy violent stuff”
That’s different!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:30 pmForget country music. The Beatles have a song about a dude brutally beating to death his date, his teacher, and the judge about to sentence him. And another that threatens death upon a girl if she’s with another man.
Bruuuce (26599d) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:38 pmThe claim that country music is filled with “all sorts of crazy violent stuff,”is based in ignorance and prejudice. Anyone with a radio and an hour or so can verify the truth for themselves. Check it out.
If it’s “crazy and violent” you seek then rap is definitely your cup of tea (if you can understand the words). Rap lyrics are so vile and so far beyond anything that’s ever been available for general consumption as to put in the same category as the Reverend Wright’s religious bigotry and racial hatred, or the rant of a New Black Panther thug threatening to kill white babies.
ropelight (584fcf) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:46 pmI’ve honestly never heard a popular country song that was crazed with violence. I also have never heard an earnestly violent Beatles song (though I’ve heard cartoonish lampoons like Maxwell’s Silver Hammer, this is obviously not offensive to sane people).
But does it even matter? If there is a Reggae song about restarting the holocaust with a blood orgy, then we shouldn’t elevate it or respect it either. And if someone has crossed the line before, that doesn’t make it OK.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/11/2011 @ 12:52 pmComing in late here, but there’s an obvious difference between Common’s work and the other examples cited. None of the other examples, to the best of my knowledge, advocate murder — some of the rap examples quoted come close to being criminal incitement; or celebrate an actual current-day murderer such as Assata Shakur, whose very existence among the living is a continuing injustice.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 5/12/2011 @ 12:49 amlook at Common’s body of work. Common promotes peace, equality between men and women, and education/empowerment. A true asset to our society. Here is the evidence:
1. Common did not promote cop-killing
2. Common is not a gangsta rapper or thug
3. Conclusion
1) Common did not promote cop-killing.
I don’t know what exactly what happened between Assata Shakur and the cops because I wasn’t there. Neither was Common, but Common obviously thinks she is an innocent scapegoat the cops tried to frame, therefore he does not support killing cops. He mentions in his “Song for Assata” that she was shot with her hands up.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the case because there is reasonable doubt that she committed the crime: “The prosecution did not need to prove that Shakur fired the shots that killed either Trooper Foerster or Zayd Shakur: being an accomplice to murder carries an equivalent life sentence under New Jersey law.[51] Upon hearing the verdict, Shakur said—in a “barely audible voice”—that she was “ashamed that I have even taken part in this trial” and that the jury was “racist” and had “convicted a woman with her hands up”.[6]” [6] New York Times
The same goes for Common saying in his Def Jam performance rap, “Letter to the Law,” that he has posters of “Free Mumia” (as in Mumia Abu-Jamal) on his wall, who was convicted of killing a cop, but the people who wanted him free obviously thought he was innocent.
2) Common is not a gangsta rapper or thug
They accused Common of being a gangsta rapper and a thug. They point to the lyrics: “Tell the law my Uzi weighs a ton / I walk like a warrior from them I won’t run/ I hold up a peace sign but I carry a gun.”
Here, Common is likely putting himself in the perspective of a Black Panther. Common stars in romantic comedies and GAP ads. Do you really think he carries an uzi? (“My uzi weighs a ton,” by the way, is a lyric from Public Enemy that Common borrowed). You be the judge.
If you can, recall a time where blacks in inner-cities couldn’t depend on the police, and so had to protect themselves- often protect themselves FROM the police (oh yeah, that’s still going on in some places). My interpretation: He holds up a peace sign because he is idealistic about the future, but he carries a gun because of the sad reality. Poetry is all about putting yourself in other’s shoes, and I think that’s what Common was doing in this rap where he also talks about a Black Panther in jail.
His famous song is all about how rap has gone downhill, the song is anti-gangsta/thug rap, and how rap should go back to its roots (“I Used to Love H.E.R.”).
He raps here and there about smoking weed, but here’s him rapping about being Anti-drug: “God is Freedom”: “F*ck shrooms and ecstasy/ I’m consumed with a recipe
to get my blood to the highest destiny”
Gangsta rappers are often homophobic, but he is supporting his gay friend in a rap: “Between Me, You & Liberation.” He also pledged to stop using gay slurs in his lyrics.
He raps about trying to be a good father (“Be”) and the importance of raising a family (“The Remedy”)
He raps about peace and helping children (“The Sixth Sense”) and the power of knowledge (“Sum Sh*t I Wrote”)
He raps about his struggles with alcoholism and finding religion (“Book of Life”)
3) Conclusion
Here’s a line from “Forever Begins”:
For now I write the world letters to better the young
On tree by jury, together we hung
Now we let our chains hang, and gang bang to maintain
Afghanistan goin’ through the same thing
It trickles down, at each other we aim pain
I shoot for stars, peace
– Obviously he thinks that violence on a state level (war) is just a form of gang violence (America using overwhelming force on people they have beef with in Afghanistan) and that no wonder we have violence on our streets if we have it as part of the nation. It “trickles down,” from the soldier to the gangster, because it’s a part of our culture. “We gang bang to maintain” doesn’t mean let’s go out and cause violence, it means we’re trying to protect ourselves from it. Common says he aims for peace.
Now look at his biography and tell me: are his actions consistent with that of a thug and cop-hating Muslim extremist, or someone who is a good person worthy of meeting the President, and a better role model than most rappers?
Shep (1b59d2) — 5/12/2011 @ 1:30 pmThank you for your copypasta.
JD (194dc5) — 5/12/2011 @ 1:41 pmOh, please.
1. There is no reasonable doubt about the guilt of either of those two pieces of human excrement whom he idolises. They’re murderers who have no right to be breathing, and supporting them is itself a sign of low character.
2. The Black Panthers were a gang of thugs, no matter how many “romantic comedies and GAP ads” may descend so far into the sewer as to make them “stars”. The writers of those “romantic comedies and GAP ads” are also scum, and are also not fit to be seen in polite company. Ditto for anyone who makes a star out of Che Guevara, or Sacco and Vanzetti, or Charles Manson. If poetry is about putting yourself in another person’s shoes, then good poetry puts you in a good person’s shoes, while poetry that puts you in an evil person’s shoes is evil.
3. “Obviously he thinks that violence on a state level (war) is just a form of gang violence (America using overwhelming force on people they have beef with in Afghanistan).” In other words, he is not a patriot. How does someone like that get invited to the White House?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 5/12/2011 @ 1:43 pmAssata Shakur? Ugh. Someone murdered that cop, and it’s not like Assata ever offered a reasonable explanation. I read her book, and she skips completely over the details of this issue.
But the man’s discussion of sex and relationships proves he’s not a real man at all. I don’t really care what some douchey little loser thinks. Common is not a person of accomplishment, and he doesn’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said much better many times already. He’s just a dumbass Obama worshiper who preaches violence while a veneer of ‘it’s so sad I’m like this, and you can blame others for that’.
Dustin (c16eca) — 5/12/2011 @ 1:59 pmYeah you are racist because you took the lyrics out of context. How about making your point in the context of the entire song. Here’s what’s also in letter to the law…
“No time for that, cause there’s things to be done
Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come
From project building, seen a fiend being hung
With that happening, why they messing with Saddam?
Burn a Bush, cause for peace he no push no button
Killing over oil and grease, no weapons of destruction
How can we follow leader when this a corrupt one?
The government’s the G-Unit and they might buck young
Black people in the urban area one
I hold up a peace sign but I carry a gun
Peace y’all, Love”
Oh, he called Bush corrupt? It doesn’t make him any less patriotic than you who constantly make worse accusations against Obama. And isn’t that the repeated refrain, they fight for our freedom, our freedom to criticize our government and it’s leaders?
Litesout (cbfdc7) — 5/13/2011 @ 5:44 amHush, troll.
JD (194dc5) — 5/13/2011 @ 5:54 amLitesout is a black supremacist troll.
DohBiden (15aa57) — 5/13/2011 @ 6:14 am