Former President Donald Trump Arrested
[guest post by Dana]
This afternoon in Georgia, Donald Trump was booked into the Fulton County Jail. He was fingerprinted and a mug shot was taken. He faces criminal charges over his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election (including a racketeering charge and several fraud and false statement counts).
Speaking to reporters after leaving the jail, Trump continued to proclaim his innocence:
…I really believe this is a very sad day for America, and it should never happen.
If you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge an election.
I thought the election was rigged election, a stolen election, and I should have every right to do that.
As you know, you have many people that you’ve been watching over the years do the same thing, whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Stacey Abrams or many others.
When you have that great freedom through challenge, you have to be able to otherwise you can have very dishonest elections.
What has taken place here is a travesty of justice.
We did nothing wrong.
I did nothing wrong.
And everybody knows that I’ve never had such support.
And that goes with the other ones, too.
What they’re doing is election interference or trying to interfere with an election.
There’s never been anything like it in our country before.
This is their way of campaigning and this is one instance, but you have three other instances.
It’s election interference.
So, I want to thank you for being here.
We did nothing wrong at all.
And we have every right, every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest, that we think it’s very dishonest.
So, thank you all very much, and I’ll see you very soon.
Earlier in the day, Trump sent a “personal” note to his “Patriots”:
Today, I will be going to the notoriously violent jail in Fulton County, Georgia where I will be ARRESTED despite having committed NO CRIME. Isn’t it interesting that I went my entire life without ever getting arrested……But suddenly out of nowhere, once I decided to run for president as a political outsider and fight for the forgotten citizens of our country, I get ARRESTED FOUR TIMES within the span of just 5 months? Not only that, a judge has ruled that today’s spectacle may be televised for the entire world to see. The American people know what’s going on. This is a punishment handed down from the Deep State for daring to challenge the status quo and give a voice to the Silent Majority. The Left wants to intimidate YOU out of voting for a political outsider who puts the American people FIRST. But today, I’m walking into the lion’s den with one simple message on behalf of our entire movement: I WILL NEVER SURRENDER OUR MISSION TO SAVE AMERICA. When I walk into the jail to get wrongfully arrested, I will not cower, I will not sulk. I will stand tall and remain resolute in our mission to save America. And if you see me on TV during my sham arrest, just remember that YOU are the source of my courage, my hope, and my resolve to save our country. If you are doing poorly due to the sinister people in control of our country right now, don’t even think about donating! But if you can, please make a contribution to SAVE AMERICA during this dark chapter in our nation’s history.
From the report: “Directly below the statement, supporters were given the opportunity to donate up to $3,300 to the Trump Save America Joint Fundraising Committee,” because he needs even more money for uh, something…
As always, Trump does not want to be held accountable for his actions because he believes he is above the law. And his supporters continue to infantilize the man-toddler by echoing his endless boo-hooing about being a victim of…the “Deep State,” the DOJ, the FBI, the MSM, Democrats, and I don’t know, even the weather!
Thus, it is so fitting that the self-consumed Trump declared the Stupid Idiot the winner of last night’s Republican debate all because he praised the former president. Two hack peas in a pod.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (4020dd) — 8/24/2023 @ 6:22 pmThis is why the system trys to avoid non graft/bribery political trials. Trump and his supporters will be out for revenge. Congress is already going after the prosecutor. Trumpsters will be trying to get on the jury to find him not guilty. Others will be asked you don’t like trump ;but you say you can ignore that and be fair. The most dangerous are the ones who say they have no opinion of trump.
asset (e50b50) — 8/24/2023 @ 6:32 pmHe should have hung around the lockup a little and talked to the other detainees about the two-tiered justice system.
nk (3e98c6) — 8/24/2023 @ 6:54 pmWhen George Soros made up his mind to Make The World Sweden, he donated $32 billion, 80% of his personal fortune, towards getting the job done.
This guy flies from mansion to mansion, from penthouse to penthouse, and from resort to resort, on his private plane and begs for money from people who shop with coupons at Walmart.
And he’s got them fooled that he is their savior.
nk (3e98c6) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:01 pmLet’s take this line by line:
“I really believe this is a very sad day for America, and it should never happen.”
Well, that’s true, though I think I have a different antecedent for “this.”
“If you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge an election.”
Tautology, but ok.
“I thought the election was rigged election, a stolen election, and I should have every right to do that.”
So far, so good
“As you know, you have many people that you’ve been watching over the years do the same thing, whether it’s Hillary Clinton or Stacey Abrams or many others.”
If “same thing” is challenge elections, then yeah. But I don’t think they did so by fraud, forgery, intimidation and outright riot.
“When you have that great freedom through challenge, you have to be able to otherwise you can have very dishonest elections.”
I’m not even gonna try to parse this. If Biden said it it would be evidence of dementia.
“What has taken place here is a travesty of justice.”
Yeah, but hopefully your conviction will fix that.
“We did nothing wrong.”
Other than the forgery, fraud, intimidation and riot, that is.
“I did nothing wrong.”
Unless forgery, fraud, intimidation and riot are wrong.
“And everybody knows that I’ve never had such support.”
Not everbody, apparently.
“And that goes with the other ones, too.”
Just as valid for the “other ones” (which is to say, “not.”
“What they’re doing is election interference or trying to interfere with an election.”
Oh, ffs. What they are doing is trying you for your crimes. Filing as a candidate is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.
“There’s never been anything like it in our country before.”
There’s never been anyone like YOU before (thank God!)
“This is their way of campaigning and this is one instance, but you have three other instances.”
Wait…I thought there had never been anything like it before.
“It’s election interference.”
That is what you’re charged with, yeah.
“So, I want to thank you for being here.”
Wouldn’t have missed it.
“We did nothing wrong at all.”
Except the forgery, fraud, intimidation and riot.
“And we have every right, every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest, that we think it’s very dishonest.”
Just not by forgery, fraud, intimidation and riot.
“So, thank you all very much, and I’ll see you very soon.”
Probably the truest thing you said tonight.
Barry Jacobs (2b0ba8) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:09 pmBarry Jacobs (2b0ba8) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:09 pm
Bravo! 👏
norcal (9a1566) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:26 pmNo one ever looks their best in their booking photos, but Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell have “crazy eyes.”
Only 11 more to go……..
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:37 pmI see that he’s still pretending he’s being charged for challenging an election in court. Even though that isn’t at all what he’s being charged for. It’s like someone who burned down their house for insurance fraud complaining that he was being charged for renovating his house, which is, after all, a perfectly legal activity.
Nic (896fdf) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:38 pmThat’s 7 more to go……..it’s going to be a busy day tomorrow at the Fulton County Jail.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:43 pm@3 O.J. said it best. “Aint america great you can get all the justice you can afford!” Donald trump “I just follow the golden rule! Those with the gold rule!”
asset (e50b50) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:44 pm👍
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:46 pm“Aint america great you can get all the justice you can afford!” Donald trump “I just follow the golden rule! Those with the gold rule!”
I don’t have a fraction of Trump’s gold, and I’m better off than he is, legally speaking.
norcal (9a1566) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:48 pm@4 Most don’t believe he is their savior, he just hates the same people they hate. Thats all that was necessary as he and they are corporate/establishment/media hating populists.
asset (e50b50) — 8/24/2023 @ 7:49 pmThat mugshot… *sigh*. Does this idiot really think he’s a WWE superhero, or just that his cult believes it?
lurker (cd7cd4) — 8/24/2023 @ 8:47 pmThe best thing that happened to Nixon’s legacy was Bill Clinton. He made Nixon look like a choirboy. I didn’t think another POTUS would sink that low in my lifetime. Boy was I wrong. The orange pustule has done more violence to the dignity of our highest office than I could have imagined. Clinton and Nixon were Lincoln and Washington by comparison. He’s made dishonor his brand, and his minions pay him handsomely for it. How many will wear mugshot t-shirts to the next MAGA rally?
lurker (cd7cd4) — 8/24/2023 @ 8:50 pmNot that it took a genius to predict, but as soon as I posted that comment I fired up Google, and sure enough.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 8/24/2023 @ 9:05 pmHe should have hung around the lockup a little and talked to the other detainees about the two-tiered justice system.
Too funny.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/24/2023 @ 10:47 pmClinton and Nixon were Lincoln and Washington by comparison
Indeed. Nixon, at least, cared deeply about the country. Sure, he played fast and loose with things, but so did everyone back then. His approach to China as Mao was dying was a foreign policy masterstroke. A bit past its sell-by date now, but nonetheless. Whatever you want to say about Clinton, don’t call him incompetent.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/24/2023 @ 10:51 pmMost don’t believe he is their savior, he just hates the same people they hate.
And they want to see the retribution he has promised. Samuel K Doe could not be reached for comment.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/24/2023 @ 10:53 pmWill Trump devotees stop their devotion of Trump when the evidence is finally presented at trial? I doubt it.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:05 amWill Trump devotees stop their devotion of Trump when he’s sentenced to prison? I doubt it.
It’s a cult.
I believe Trump weighs 215, just like I believe 231 million watched the Tucker-Trump Comedy Hour a couple nights ago, just like I believe he won the 2020 election.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:21 amSo how do we defeat the cult? Because the man is all but certain to be the Republican nominee, and there is a *very* good chance that on January 21, 2025, he is President with majorities in both houses of Congress.
aphrael (cb16ce) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:29 amMitch McConnell and the other Republican Senators thought (for some odd reason) that voting to acquit Trump in the second impeachment trial would save them.
Guess they were wrong.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:41 am“So how do we defeat the cult? Because the man is all but certain to be the Republican nominee”
The challenge is that the cult appears to get him the nomination, but naked partisanship will get him close in the general. People don’t see the threat. They don’t see the desperation that these court cases will impress. They’re smug about the potential for violence. The only thing I can see is a fight at the convention, but that will depend on how far along the court cases are. It will be useful if one can be finished by then.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:31 amMitch McConnell and the other Republican Senators thought (for some odd reason) that voting to acquit Trump in the second impeachment trial would save them.
No, they thought that voting to convict him would tear their party apart. They were probably right, but the alternative was pretty much the same, as it turns out.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:34 amBecause the man is all but certain to be the Republican nominee
No, he won’t. The cultists may never give up on him, but they are not the majority of the party, and the majority can get behind someone else who looks like a winner. The Bernie Cult was defeated by his opponents lining up behind Biden. That can work here, too.
Asa, Christie, Scott and Bergum need to drop out now and endorse Haley. Pence and DeSantis need to do so soon.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:39 amDavid Brooks today:
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:45 amPaul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:21 am
I did read that it was Trump’s people who filled out the form issued by the jail.
Sammy Finkelman (d8b7dc) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:46 amNot Vivek? And at the rate things are going, DeSantis will hit rock bottom before the South Carolina primary.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:55 amIt’s interesting to read about Ramaswamy’s business career (Wikipedia). He’s been on the periphery of a number of swindles and pump & dumps, reverse mergers and other shady deals. His main company, Roivant, has never made a dime but he’s made bunches. He’s lately been trying to get contracts to manage state pension funds.
A younger, smarter Donald Trump.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:56 amNot Vivek
I expect nothing reasonable from Vivek. When he drops out it will be to endorse “the best president of the 21st century.”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 9:58 amSo you think the only true anti-Trump candidates should drop out, leaving two Trump clones and one whose idea of running against Trump is ignore his indictments?
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:00 amI believe Trump weighs 215
He’s half a foot taller and fatter than I am, and I weigh more than that. He’s 6’3″ and obese. I’d put him at 315.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:01 amWhy should anyone vote for a Trump clone (Vivek and Ron) when they can vote for the real thing?
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:02 amBecause Trump is dumber than a sack of potatoes?
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:04 amKevin, I think DJT is worse than dumb. He is a weak narcissist. Look at some of the decent things he did as POTUS… But. He. Cannot. Keep. His. Mouth. Shut.
I think many people have “bad angels” inside their heads. Most of us learn early to ignore them, and think of what our “better angels” advise.
So that’s the situation with me. I despise his bully, bragging attitude. It’s childish and counterproductive. But when does good things, he still cannot control himself.
There is a hole in his soul that will never, ever be filled.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:14 amSimon, yes, but Vivek is also a narcissist and, from his business dealings, likely a sociopath as well. He may be stronger and smarter than Trump but that just makes him more dangerous.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:36 amThere is a hole in his soul that will never, ever be filled.
I suggest he try meth. He’ll at least lose weight.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:36 amLOL! Asa (1% in most recent Morning Consult poll), Christie (3%), Scott (3%), and Bergum (0%) represent a collective 7% of voters.
Spreading that between three other candidates (one who has absolutely no chance of being the nominee (Pence)) would be a futile gesture (at least at this stage) when the candidate who is “ is dumber than a sack of potatoes” leads the entire Republican field with the support of 58% of Republican voters.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:37 amIt would be funny if they added “lying to government officials” to his charges for claiming to weigh 215.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:38 amI believe Trump weighs 215
Melania: “If only”
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:39 amIf you add Darling Nikki (3%) to the mix, 10% of voters would be more significant.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:43 amOn #1
steveg (ea52cb) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:01 amIts the cycle of pay back that we are in.
Democrats do the same thing, they just are not in control of the House
Rip —
Part of the problem of the gaggle of candidates is that there is no clear alternative vision to Trump emerging. If some of the gaggle clear, what the remaining people are pushing becomes clearer.
Your LOL doesn’t apply here.
Appalled (89dacb) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:24 amIt does apply, since it is a joke to say if three of lowest polling candidates drop out it will change anything. If anyone should drop out it should be Pence, since he has no chance of being nominated.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:35 amIf Pence drops out before the Iowa caucuses Tim Scott might be able to consolidate the evangelical Republicans to come in second to Trump, which would be a good boost to his campaign going into the South Carolina primary.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:59 amI’m convinced he’s worse than that, Simon, he’s a malignant narcissist. He checks all the boxes.
He’s the worst kind of person to be Leader of the Free World, IMO.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 12:09 pmCorrection:
As I said above, if anyone should drop out it’s Pence.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 12:12 pmChristie is clearly only involved at this point to ensure that there is *some* high level Republican who is challenging Trump. I think he views it as a fight for the soul of his party.
aphrael (71d87c) — 8/25/2023 @ 12:13 pm“He’s the worst kind of person to be Leader of the Free World”
Supporters do not want to confront this. It’s always a comparison with Joe Biden….which they always find Trump wins….if not because of personality traits, definitely because of policy positions or shared grievances.
There is no struggle with whether this is the type of person who we want coordinating our NATO, S. Korea, and Mexico alliances? Whatever one things of the Lilliputians, how can 56% of the GOP be content with someone whose behavior is not what we would tolerate from our kids or any adult who works with our kids. They seem to imply that the Presidency is the one position where character is optional…provided there is SOME transactional benefit. It’s a bizarre situation for a formerly conservative party.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 8/25/2023 @ 12:20 pmKevin #37: So we agree once again. I get a very bad feeling about VR. Especially regarding foreign policy. I’m glad that NH took him to the woodshed.
Paul #47: I can’t disagree, but I am not a psychiatrist. I just don’t understand why he damages his own prospects. That is what worries me; that is a level of self unawareness that is amazing.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 8/25/2023 @ 1:41 pmThe people without their lips planted on Trump’s ass need to whittle themselves down to one. Haley would be a good choice. Then it’s just Haley, Ramaswamy, and Trump. That way, the MAGA vote would be split, and Haley would look like the adult in the room, especially if Ramaswamy and Trump continue to wear the same stupid, pandering uniform (blue suit, white shirt, red tie) at the debates.
norcal (7cc572) — 8/25/2023 @ 1:41 pmWhy in the world would he want to lose weight? Didn’t you read the arrest report? He’s 6’3″, 215 pounds*, the same dimensions as Muhammad Ali in his prime. He weighs the same and he’s an inch taller than NFL quarterback Lamar Jackson. The man is a Greek God!
(*Details of course provided by Trump)
lurker (cd7cd4) — 8/25/2023 @ 2:39 pmKidding aside, that dopey incident is about the gazillionth example of Trump’s willingness to gaslight literally anything. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together believes Trump weighs 215 lbs, he knows nobody believes it, yet he proclaims it with a straight face on a police document. By now, his habit for such compulsive dishonesty is so taken for granted that all we do is shake our heads and laugh ruefully, while it evinces zero concern from his supporters. But it’s not funny. How much he weighs couldn’t matter less, but everyone knows he’s equally prone to gaslight on matters of national and global urgency when it suits his whim. The fact that his supporters handwave concern about that in a man with the nuclear codes as merely a product of Trump Der@ngement Syndrome never stops boggling my mind.
lurker (cd7cd4) — 8/25/2023 @ 2:40 pmNobody with two brain cells to rub together believes Trump weighs 215 lbs, he knows nobody believes it, yet he proclaims it with a straight face on a police document.
It’s the same phenomenon with Kim Jung Un. He has the body of a Greek god. Just ask his people.
No wonder Kim and Trump got along so well. Wasn’t their meeting just great? I mean, it accomplished so much!
norcal (7cc572) — 8/25/2023 @ 2:58 pmThe MAGA vote won’t be split between Ramaswamy and Trump-why would anyone vote for VR when you could vote for the real thing?
Ramaswamy is loathed by TrumpWorld-see any of their comments here. They consider him “not a natural born citizen” (I know, I know), don’t like his ties to pharmaceutical industry, etc. TW likes Haley about as much, except her disqualifying ties are with the MIC.
The only people voting for Haley would be never Trumpers, and right now they are 31%* of Republican voters.
*Per last Tuesday’s Morning Consult poll, Trump‘s 58% + VR’s 11%=69%. 100-69=31%
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 3:21 pmRemnants of Haley’s lipstick still appear there.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 3:24 pmYou could say that the same thing about Trump’s supporters.
Rip Murdock (fba5b4) — 8/25/2023 @ 3:34 pmThe MAGA vote won’t be split between Ramaswamy and Trump-why would anyone vote for VR when you could vote for the real thing?
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 3:21 pm
Because some Trumpers like the message, but want somebody better to carry it.
I believe erstwhile commenter Colonel Haiku, a Trump supporter if there ever was one, falls in this camp.
norcal (7cc572) — 8/25/2023 @ 4:07 pmAnd what is different about VR’s message from Trump ? He is practically Trump’s marionette.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 4:32 pmIt’s anybody’s guess what Trump would weigh after an enema.
And with so many people eating his lunch ….
Hair color “blond/strawberry” was funny.
nk (d8a351) — 8/25/2023 @ 4:57 pmWhat Republican primaries/caucuses do you Vivek to win or place a close second?
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 5:24 pmAnd what is different about VR’s message from Trump ? He is practically Trump’s marionette.
Rip Murdock (6347cf) — 8/25/2023 @ 4:32 pm
That’s the point! It’s Trump’s message, and somebody without all of Trump’s baggage is carrying it.
All I want is for Vivek to take votes away from Trump. That increases the chances for Haley to do well.
I know what the polls are like currently, but I don’t share your pessimism that things can’t change.
norcal (073963) — 8/25/2023 @ 5:54 pmIf you add Darling Nikki (3%) to the mix, 10% of voters would be more significant.
Politics is not a zero-sum game. If people start lining up behind Nikki, it will have a bandwagon effect. Right now a portion of Trump’s support is based on “there’s no one else” — your Lilliputian meme — but if there IS a viable alternative some will cease supporting the felon-in-Chief.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:08 pmlowest polling candidates
F the polls, Rip. The guy at the top of the polls is headed for a hard fall and everyone knows it.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:09 pmChristie is clearly only involved at this point to ensure that there is *some* high level Republican who is challenging Trump.
And the moment there is a viable challenger (he should know that’s not him) he should drop out and endorse her.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:11 pmKeep it classy, Kevin.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:12 pmHe’s the worst kind of person
FIFY
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:13 pmLOL!
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:13 pmI just don’t understand why he damages his own prospects.
Two possibilities:
1. He is emotionally a child, with no concept of cause and effect. “I want!”
2. He is similar to an addict, unable to alter behavior in the face of known adverse results.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:15 pmUntil that time happens, the polls are what they are.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:15 pmespecially if Ramaswamy and Trump continue to wear the same stupid, pandering uniform (blue suit, white shirt, red tie) at the debates.
It writes itself:
“Trump and mini-Trump.”
“Tweedledum and tweedledumber”
But maybe Trump will be wearing an orange jumpsuit.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:17 pmThere’s no reason for any of candidates who are polling above 3% to leave the race before any of primaries or caucuses. Tim Scott has a boatload of cash and is moving up in Iowa and Christie is making a (slight) move in New Hampshire. Why should they pull the plug on their campaigns without seeing what happens to their races?
Meanwhile Haley languishes in fourth place in her home state, 35 points behind Trump.
The only one who should drop out now is Pence.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:25 pmThe only people voting for Haley would be never Trumpers, and right now they are 31%* of Republican voters.
Rip, I really cannot tell if you are so incredibly stupid to think that means anything, or you just like a good argument. A week is an eternity in politics and there are at least 18 weeks until the Iowa Caucuses. Today’s polls mean literally nothing. Trump might not even be qualified to run.
I’m going to go with the “good argument” theory, but feel free to correct me.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:26 pmKeep it classy, Kevin.
Your slavish devotion to pollsters brings out the worst in me.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:28 pmSouth Carolina Republican Primary RCP average.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:29 pmAnd what is different about VR’s message from Trump ? He is practically Trump’s marionette.
On this we agree. Mini-me. He’s Trump’s stooge, hoping to either be VP or inherit the cult.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:30 pmDitto your wishcasting about Darling Nikki. At least I have.numbers to back my position, you only wishful thinking.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:32 pmSouth Carolina Republican Primary RCP average.
If it were held today, but it won’t be held today. The fatal conceit of all polls. They’ll be held on Groundhog Day, and the groundhog is currently enjoying his summer.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:32 pmDitto your wishcasting about Darling Nikki. At least I have.numbers to back my position, you only wishful thinking.
Conventional wisdom is an oxymoron.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:34 pmIf you don’t think political campaigns conduct polls daily and base campaign decisions on them, you’re naive.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:37 pmI have never said that polls are set in stone, Ron DeSantis epic fall proves that. And if the Morning Consult poll next Tuesday shows Haley with a ten point lead over the field that would be great.
But I don’t expect that any time soon.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:42 pmAnd if the Morning Consult poll next Tuesday shows Haley with a ten point lead over the field that would be great.
With all the MSM pandering to pump up the headline-monger Ramaswamy, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get a bump. The tech billionaire underdog champion of the working man.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 6:50 pmHorrifying thought. If VR gets attention playing tennis shirtless, will we have to endure DJT playing golf shirtless?
Simon Jester (e7a752) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:07 pmApparently Trump paid for a (no-refundable) bail bond rather than shelling out $200K bail. Is he expecting some issue with his release conditions?
https://news.yahoo.com/cant-afford-200k-bond-lawyers-145005508.html
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:11 pmI truly hope that VR gets some attention from the financial police. He seems to come out golden as everyone else loses their shirt in his ventures.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:12 pmThis is why I can’t watch FoxNews more than 2-3 minutes at a time. Ms. Tarlov had the facts.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:13 pmHaley’s argument for not wanting to discuss abortion (as with her unwillingness to address Trump’s crimes) without a “consensus” is just a dodge. As Pence said, that’s not leadership.
And she is wrong about the difficulty of passing legislation through the Senate. The new Republican Senate would only need to pass a rule to exempt abortion legislation from the filibuster, a simple majority is all that’s required.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:13 pmBob Menendez may be indicted for bribery.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:15 pmThe only options for NeverTrump are DeSantis and the leftist.
It’s a time for choosing.
Sleep well.
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:16 pmHaley’s argument for not wanting to discuss abortion (as with her unwillingness to address Trump’s crimes) without a “consensus” is just a dodge. As Pence said, that’s not leadership.
Most things I’ve read suggest she refused to pander to the mob, yet another example of being the adult in the room. She IS leading, just not the way you want her to lead. Instead she treats a difficult subject as if it was a difficult subject in a room full of bumper-sticker minds.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:17 pmAs Pence said, that’s not leadership.
“Pence” and “leadership” in the same sentence. Wow.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:19 pmIt’s a time for choosing.
The only alternative to false dichotomies is cannibalism!
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:20 pmas with her unwillingness to address Trump’s crimes
She did call him “the most hated politician in America” which is a LOT more than your boys Pence and DeSantis did.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:22 pmLOL! Being a straddler is not leading.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:24 pmLOL! The candidate I’m voting for (if he makes it to California) is as low in polls as Nikki-Chris Christie, who has said more about the dangers of Donald Trump in five minutes than Nikki has said in five months.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:34 pmVoting for the Kennedy clan are ya?
NJRob (eb56c3) — 8/25/2023 @ 7:40 pmThree of the GA co-defendants have filed petitions that Trump and his legal team pushed them to be fake electors, but instead of cutting a deal, they’re trying to move their cases to federal court.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:22 pm“This is why I can’t watch FoxNews more than 2-3 minutes at a time.”
My same impression. If Jesse Watters doesn’t play the skeptic, it’s bad for the bottom line. People want to smell the smell of Biden corruption. They need that smell. It’s like BuDuh and whembly here. When you’ve been teased about it for years, it’s the Pavlovian response. Facts don’t say what you say they say. Watters is selling a narrative and must play act that all the facts are simply not known….but once they are, his assumptions about Biden will be borne out. Just keep tuning in….
AJ_Liberty (7c1b2a) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:24 pm” not wanting to discuss abortion (as with her unwillingness to address Trump’s crimes) without a “consensus” is just a dodge. As Pence said, that’s not leadership.”
The GOP suffered loss after loss from over-reaching on abortion at the state level. Are the polls suggesting a different result at the federal level? Should an administration derail all of its agenda to push for a federal mandate….that will galvanize every Democrat politician? Pence is wrong. Haley is right. A different strategy is needed where the pro-life cause makes incremental gains. Work on adoption availability, contraception access, and setting rules towards the end of pregnancy. Consolidate the massive win that was repealing Roe. Over reach and the GOP may not sniff the Presidency for awhile….and then lose seats on the court.
Yes, abortion is a moral issue…but we live in a political system that requires persuasion and compromise. There’s no short cuts or pretending that the polls just don’t say what they say. You need to be able to count votes….and like the GOP consumed so much oxygen trying to repeal Obamacare either without the votes or without the veto over-ride, at some point you stop banging your head and confront reality. Someone here tends to make that same point…daily
AJ_Liberty (7c1b2a) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:36 pmWhen you implausibly (and yes, dishonestly) report your weight at 215, it invites comparisons.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 8:53 pmLOL! The candidate I’m voting for (if he makes it to California) is as low in polls as Nikki-Chris Christie, who has said more about the dangers of Donald Trump in five minutes than Nikki has said in five months.
So, you will only vote for someone who cannot be the nominee. Way to plan failure.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:01 pmLOL! Being a straddler is not leading.
She’s not straddling, she’s compromising. That IS leadership — recognizing that more than one side has a valid viewpoint. Even if wild-eyed partisans think compromise is treason.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:03 pmSomeone here tends to make that same point…daily
More to the point, both parties have been performing, not legislating. Talking to the other side is now treason. When Speaker Ryan tried to fix some of the major failings in Obamacare that were hurting GOP voters, the Democrats sat on their hands and the House F***dom Caucus vetoed the whole thing.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:06 pmThere we agree, Kevin. Compromise is leadership, particularly when the legislative needle moves in a conservative direction. Traditional conservatives understood that.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:07 pmWhen the Democrats took over they passed many of the same fixes, this time with zero GOP votes. When both parties behave like rival gangs, it takes real leadership to bridge the divide.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:08 pmLOL! Just as you are supporting Haley. She also has no chance of being the Republican nominee, when Trump supporters openly loathe her. Again, if she can’t win at two of the first three contests she is goner. I can tell you she has no organization here in California.
What’s Haley’s compromise on abortion? All she says is come to a “consensus.” When you have states that either have unlimited abortion (California) and states that have virtually banned it (Texas), consensus is impossible. She has punted the issue.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:20 pmRip, as someone keen on polls, you should know that abortion is a losing issue for Republicans. Therefore, Nikki was right to straddle the issue, as that gives her a better chance of winning.
Would you rather go with the candidate who is “pure” on abortion and lose?
norcal (8c6442) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:23 pmI wouldn’t call Haley’s position a “straddle”.
Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 8/25/2023 @ 10:47 pmShe supported federal legislation where there was consensus and then she was federalist, i.e., left it to the states, on the more divisive questions.
To me, that is both conservative and pragmatic. Like Burgum said, what is agreeable in North Dakota wouldn’t fly in NY.
To me, this would be an example of our democracy–our representative republic–working, and it’s way better than pre-Dobbs (or post-Roe) because the net result would be fewer abortions if Haley could achieve such consensus at the federal level.
Republicans got what they wanted on abortion in spades. I’m only surprised that Republicans are surprised at the voters reaction when they imposed draconian restrictions.
My problem with Nikki’s abortion position is that she has no position, except to avoid taking one. Straddling just makes her look indecisive, and will do nothing to help her win the nomination (which she has no chance of winning anyway).
If she was looking at the polls on abortion, why isn’t her message aligned with them-it’s because Republican voters aren’t aligned with the overall polling, they’re more conservative. So she’s trying to split the difference by saying we need to find a nonexistent and unobtainable “consensus”.
Nikki’s abortion straddling is similar to her position on Trump: she may called him the most hated politician but she still raised her hand showing that she would support a convicted Trump for President. Again, she’s trying to have it both ways.
If Trump wasn’t a candidate I’m sure she would be polling much higher and possibly win the nomination. But unfortunately for her (and everyone else) Trump is running and his voters want nothing to do with her (or any of the other candidates). That’s the reality.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:15 pm@Rip@110 I said this in the debate thread, but Nikki has clearly defined her lane as moderate Republicans and suburban women, which the Rs need to win next fall. I don’t think that there are enough votes in that demographic to carry her through the primaries, but no one else is really attempting that lane, so at least she isn’t sharing oxygen. That’s why her abortion position is the way it is.
Nic (896fdf) — 8/25/2023 @ 11:29 pmI agree completely, but Trump has solid favorable ratings (70%+) among women in all age groups, in the most recent NYT/Siena College poll from late July. When asked who would the Republican women would vote for, Trump has again solid numbers, with 53% of the women saying they would vote for him.
In contrast, Nikki Haley would receive 3% of the Republican women’s vote.
The poll found that Republican women opposed abortion 38-55% (combined mostly/always legal/illegal).
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 12:36 amI told you ABORTION for republicans is like gun control for democrats. Game playing doesn’t work as laura ingram has said republicans have to go down with abortion ban as democrats have done to their great cost on gun control. Democrats are waiting till 2024 to put abortion on the ballot in states like az. They could easily put it on the ballot for this year ;but they want to wait and republicans don’t dare put it on the ballot.
asset (e55ac5) — 8/26/2023 @ 1:31 am“I agree completely, but Trump has solid favorable ratings (70%+) among women in all age groups,”
But it’s not based on an aggressive abortion agenda and it certainly does not extend into moderates and independents. In fact, after complaining about over-reach on the abortion question at the midterms, Trump’s been pretty equivocal and ambiguous. It’s not at all clear what he supports, though it says a lot that he is generally avoiding the issue. For a guy that desperately has to win in November, I doubt he’s misreading the national mood.
Looking to the future, a 15-week ban is probably about right, consistent with many European countries. Although, over 90% of abortions happen in that 15-week window. Many of the abortions outside that window happen for unusual circumstances. Few if any women glibly wait for as long as possible to make the decision. But tactically, is this the best time to push for a vote, that also operates against the GOP’s preference for federalism and a limited view on a federal police power?
The problem I see is that the country is deeply divided at this historical juncture. We are slogging toward more violence in the street, driven in part by an unwillingness to accept pluralism in a country approaching 340M. We need to lower the volume and this isn’t doing it. Sometimes a leader has to take the foot off the accelerator and improve the political climate.
Haley wanting to make it easier to adopt is not straddling the fence. Haley wanting to consider a later ban is not stradding the fence. Haley wanting to allow state laws to settle and continue to change hearts is not straddling the fence. We either believe in federalism…or not. The economy and economic uncertainty are the preeminent political issues. It seems much smarter to put your political capital into making good decisions about the economy then to try to stick it to the heathen liberals.
AJ_Liberty (382115) — 8/26/2023 @ 6:06 amShe also has no chance of being the Republican nominee
LOL. We’ll see.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 7:13 amMy problem with Nikki’s abortion position is that she has no position, except to avoid taking one. Straddling just makes her look indecisive, and will do nothing to help her win the nomination (which she has no chance of winning anyway).
As far as she cares, she is pro-life. But she thinks that there are more important hills to die on. I get it that you think it is the most meaningful of subjects, being in the 15% absolutely opposed. But most of us want the issue settled in compromise, just like every other 1st world country has done, so that we can deal with things that matter to US, like immigration, the economy, and avoiding war with China.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 7:18 amBut tactically, is this the best time to push for a vote, that also operates against the GOP’s preference for federalism and a limited view on a federal police power?
A better plan is to wait until a sizable number of states have established strict limits, like the 6-week regime that is very nearly a ban due to other conditions imposed. At that point there will be pro-abortion pressure for a more lenient national rule and compromise will be possible. Just not now, as the Democrats see this issue as a way to make gains in red states.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 7:28 amUntil Trump is gone, no one has a chance.
Rip Murdock (fba5b4) — 8/26/2023 @ 8:22 amI think, like every other previous GOP preference (law and order, internationalist foreign policies, etc.) that will change.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 8:25 amHaving seen the picture, I have to say that the Loser’s attempt to emulate Eisenhower’s famous grin . . . was a failure.
Jim Miller (c86b9f) — 8/26/2023 @ 8:29 am“Until Trump is gone, no one has a chance.”
Probably. Right-wing media is in full Trump defense mode and it mainly just mocks the charges. There’s no sense of shame. I thought Rupert Murdoch might have ordered a new alignment, but that does not seem likely. He sees where the money is….and will play it until the profit calculus changes. Noted.
The only hope is that as these court cases roar into primetime…more and more of the 50% will see that Trump cannot win the general…and though the band continues to play on the Titanic, the view from the deck is getting more and more uncomfortable. At some point self preservation kicks in, the not-Trump vote coalesces, and the awfulness of supporting a likely felon settles in. For the good of the country, an alternative will emerge….better Haley than Ramaswamy. I applaud Christie and would vote for him in a second, but I doubt that many of the 50% will drift his way.
If the party cannot battle for its soul….fine. It will die from its contradictions and untruths. I’ll fight for something worth fighting for. On the Democrat side, I hope they can at minimum find a replacement for their VP…as she volunteers to step aside for the good of the country. An entire reboot would be better still for the country, but the clock is starting to chime late.
AJ_Liberty (382115) — 8/26/2023 @ 8:57 amUnlikely, as the Trump campaign has been quietly working with state Republican parties to rig their primaries and caucuses in his favor. Challengers may disappointed.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 9:18 amOutside of the widely reviled New York case, I doubt the federal and Georgia cases will start before May 2024, by which time Trump could have the nomination wrapped up.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 10:29 amHe may have it wrapped up but he still won’t be the nominee. A multiple felon as the nominee would END the Republican Party.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 10:34 amEveryone who was on that stage (other than Vivek) must be counting on something happening that collapses the Trump vote. Otherwise no one would’ve been there, it would have just been 1 or 2 silly people and Trump.
Nic (896fdf) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:04 amYou say that like it’s a bad thing. 😉
Rip Murdock (8c5077) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:20 amFIFY. Trump is unlikely to be convicted of anything before the convention.
Rip Murdock (8c5077) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:23 am“A multiple felon as the nominee would END the Republican Party.”
The entire spectacle is destabilizing for the country. We may see violence once the cases get started. The justice system itself will be stressed under all the charges of bias and bad faith. A patriot would save the country from this. One would hope that there would be consequences for the grifters making money and drawing fame from all of this. Unfortunately, we have ready-made villains on the other team.
AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:24 amNew York Post/Leger Poll 8/24/23
Haley needs Democrats to vote in Republican primaries…….
Rip Murdock (8c5077) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:36 amPreferred Republican Presidential Candidate, NY Post survey:
Trump 61%
DeSantis 9
Ramaswamy 5
Pence 5
Scott 3
Haley 2
Christie 1
Rip Murdock (8c5077) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:48 amEven all of Trump’s opponents dropped out except DeSantis, (or Haley, or ……..), Trump still has a crushing lead for the nomination. At this stage, no bandwagon effect can overcome the math.
Rip Murdock (8c5077) — 8/26/2023 @ 11:54 amJust change your handle to “PollsRus.” Then, like most pollsters, you’ll be wildly wrong for months, only to converge on an accurate answer the day after the election.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 12:19 pmEveryone who was on that stage (other than Vivek) must be counting on something happening that collapses the Trump vote. Otherwise no one would’ve been there, it would have just been 1 or 2 silly people and Trump.
TBF, Christie wouldn’t be there either if Trump wasn’t a clear and present danger.
Kevin M (ed969f) — 8/26/2023 @ 12:22 pmHow are the current polls wrong at this point in time? If you have contradictory information please share.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 1:59 pm15 weeks is about right. Too who? Not the majority of the country. Even republicans in mississippi say they don’t dare put it on the ballot. You are lucky (for the time being) that joe biden and not some progressive democrat is running demanding it be put on the ballot.
asset (47002d) — 8/26/2023 @ 2:21 pmYou are lucky (for the time being) that joe biden and not some progressive democrat is running demanding it be put on the ballot.
asset (47002d) — 8/26/2023 @ 2:21 pm
What do you mean “put on the ballot”? We don’t have national referendums or propositions. We just vote for candidates whose positions we like, and if you don’t think Biden will milk the abortion issue for all it’s worth, then Phoenix is a land of glaciers.
norcal (3783f0) — 8/26/2023 @ 2:32 pmDeSagging: Florida governor drops in POLITICO rankings
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Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 2:32 pmVivek Ramaswamy (has) became an overnight success in Moscow
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 3:32 pm
Shocking
norcal (3783f0) — 8/26/2023 @ 3:53 pmI wonder how Ron DeSantis feels about being replaced as the Russians’ “”Number 2”:
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:05 pmI wonder how Ron DeSantis feels about being replaced as the Russians’ “”Number 2”
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:05 pm
I don’t think DeSantis took any pleasure in being esteemed by the Russians. He said what he thought it took to gain traction in the primary. Virtually all candidates skew one way in the primary, and then run toward the middle in the general. It doesn’t make them bad people.
Alas, Ramaswamy is a complete suckup to Russia, so the change of ranking is no surprise.
norcal (3783f0) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:20 pm@136 didn’t you see my comment about missisippi republicans afraid to put it on the ballot ;however if we retake the house and have a more then one seat majority in the senate so we can give statehood to DC and PR. do away with the fillibuster (it is not in the constitution) we can make abortion protection national. Their are more stringent ways to make red states put it on the ballot along with voting rights.
asset (05a3ed) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:22 pmwe can give statehood to DC and PR
asset (05a3ed) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:22 pm
I don’t think there is the political capital to accomplish that.
50 is a nice round number.
norcal (3783f0) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:27 pmBiden/clinton wing of the democrat party: What ever are corporate deep state masters want! This is the last election if they can make it that far with a senile old corrupt fool that the establishment/DNC wing of the party can protect wealthy republicans and democrats from AOC and the ever increasing progressive wing of the party.
asset (05a3ed) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:29 pm@143 how could it be stopped if we control the house and do away with fillibuster in senate as it takes only 50+ veep.
asset (05a3ed) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:31 pmIf you’re too dumb to know how your remarks would play in Moscow, you’re too dumb to be President.
As a governor no one cares what you think about Ukraine, but as a Presidential candidate you need consider that it’s not just American voters who are listening and making decisions.
Rip Murdock (8455d0) — 8/26/2023 @ 4:35 pm