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1/12/2016

The State of the Union: Don’t Care

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:52 am



Won’t watch it. Don’t care who’s coming. Don’t care what he says. I’m going to a concert.

134 Responses to “The State of the Union: Don’t Care”

  1. I’m going to tally the “I, Me, Mines”… perhaps even the “they”s

    Colonel Haiku (b5bc8f)

  2. Not watching. Can’t stomach it. The whole thing has jumped the shark.

    Now the Dems are all bringing Muslim guests. smh. Can’t wait till their male bodyguards meet up with the friends of Michey’s guest, the gay man whose boyfriend was killed in San Berdoo.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  3. is too cold for stupid food stamp jibber jabber

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  4. 1. I’m going to tally the “I, Me, Mines”… perhaps even the “they”s

    Colonel Haiku (b5bc8f) — 1/12/2016 @ 8:01 am

    Is anyone willing to make this into a drinking game?

    Steve57 (17e737)

  5. espresso shots?

    mg (31009b)

  6. the speech is blech, the state of the union is dire, however there are some occasional points where a smattering of justice prevails,

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/12/yep-kim-davis-is-coming-to-the-sotu/

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. Thank Allah for Netflix…. stream or disk, it is an alternative.

    Gramps (c50fca)

  8. Not watching it. Going to an “exciting” county budget meeting. And no, I didn’t get to keep my doctor, insurance or get a 2500 dollar reduction in my insurance costs, so I don’t trust anything this idiot says. He should have been impeached and convicted, but I guess I’m just a racist at heart.

    amr (64cd2d)

  9. netflix is the correct answer.

    Steve Malynn (b5f891)

  10. Narciso, thanks for that encouragement.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  11. While Obama is tooting his own horn all you Ted Cruz supporters should consider the evils that befall the nation when the American Commander-in-Chief harbors divided loyalties.

    As was acknowledged in a recent post: it’s not exclusively about the individuals involved, often it’s the system in which they operate.

    The Founders attempted to protect the nation from the effects of divided loyalties by insisting our president be a natural born citizen of this nation, not Cuba, or Canada, or any other foreign country. Country of birth should be considered as a stand-in for opinions and convictions at odds with the interests of the US and its people.

    In Obama’s case his world view, economic outlook, and politics are so fundamentally different from American traditions it doesn’t matter where he was born, he’s an agent of foreign interests opposed to the interests of the US.

    (I’ve never alleged that Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii, but I have repeatedly stated that his so-called Birth Certificate is as phony as a $3 bill and that Barack Obama Sr was not his birth father.)

    If you liked what happened to the country over the last 7 years and want more of the same, vote for Hillary, Cruz, or Rubio. It just doesn’t make much difference.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  12. Cruz and Rubio = Hillary.

    The shark. Has just been jumped.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  13. I’m going to the pool to swim some laps while Obama bloviates.

    I think I say this every year, but I would personally carve the visage onto Mount Rushmore of the next President who decides either to send in the State of the Union as a printed document, or who declines to submit one all together. There is no law that mandates an annual State of the Union — the Constitution only says that the President shall report “from time to time” — and the tradition of the President annually going to Congress to deliver it didn’t start until Franklin Roosevelt. It’s a stupid tradition that has long since been hijacked by the sleazy political consultants and turned into low-rent theater for the booboisie.

    JVW (d60453)

  14. ropelight, I’m not going to lose any sleep worrying that Cruz might be a dual agent working on behalf of Havana or Ottawa.

    JVW (d60453)

  15. I will not

    Rod (9cb1c6)

  16. JVW, vote Trump and you won’t have reason to worry. His father wasn’t a Cuban citizen resident in Canada.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  17. Anyone who alleges that Ted Curz is an American citizen because his mother was an American citizen must also consider that Ted was was also born in Canada (citizen by birth?) and a Cuban citizen by his birth father’s Cuban citizenship.

    Did Ted’s American mother ever notify the US Embassy in Calgary at the time of Ted’s birth so his relationship to the US was recorded? If not he would have needed to be naturalized in order to be acknowledged as a US citizen. It’s not automatic, and it ain’t natural born either.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  18. Team republican party is starting to look like a cub scout jamboree, with all those teeny pup tents.
    Cruz/ West

    mg (31009b)

  19. The SOTU interests me not at all. But I was thinking of my Dad and I came across this.

    If you come across this video of the Navy hymn…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dlXmuYuAYc

    …the ship in the storm is the French Frigate D646 Latouche-Tréville.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqc3W-3Qv7E

    Steve57 (17e737)

  20. While Obama is tooting his own horn all you Ted Cruz supporters should consider the evils that befall the nation when the American Commander-in-Chief harbors divided loyalties.

    And you think Cruz has divided loyalties?!
    On what possible basis could you think that? Where do you think his loyalties lie, apart from America? Texas? His church? Surely you don’t mean Canada, where he doesn’t even remember living.

    Country of birth should be considered as a stand-in for opinions and convictions at odds with the interests of the US and its people.

    This was indeed an 18th-century superstition, as documented by Blackstone. But surely you don’t share it. So why are you concerned about his loyalties?

    In Obama’s case his world view, economic outlook, and politics are so fundamentally different from American traditions it doesn’t matter where he was born, he’s an agent of foreign interests opposed to the interests of the US.

    Exactly. Though the interests he represents are not foreign. There is no foreign country that commands his loyalty, and why should there be? Those interests are just as much at home in America as anywhere else — and just as hostile to every other civilized country as they are to this one. He was raised by American communists, domestic enemies of their own country, and every indication is that he retains the worldview he absorbed from them.

    I have repeatedly stated that his so-called Birth Certificate is as phony as a $3 bill and that Barack Obama Sr was not his birth father.

    What difference could that possibly make? And are you seriously suggesting that his real birth certificate listed that other father and not the man his family told everyone was the father, and who appeared in the birth notice in the newspaper?!

    Milhouse (87c499)

  21. Did Ted’s American mother ever notify the US Embassy in Calgary at the time of Ted’s birth so his relationship to the US was recorded? If not he would have needed to be naturalized in order to be acknowledged as a US citizen. It’s not automatic,

    Yes, it is, actually. As a matter of law a child born abroad to a US citizen (who has lived in the USA for the required period) is automatically a citizen. If the child is still living abroad then proving his citizenship involves filling out forms. If the child is now living in the USA, no special forms are required.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  22. I haven’t watched SOTU in years, and have no interest in doing so. We know in advance that he lies, so why watch?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  23. ropelight, your man Trump invited Hillary to his wedding. And he probably voted for Obama in 2008. And he thinks the Kelo decision regarding eminent domain is spot on. And he’s for single payer health care. And he wears a Davy Crockett coonskin cap for a hairpiece.

    Please, can we leave the “secret foreign agent” conspiracies to the Paul wing of the party?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. ropelight, that is a silly position to stake out, are you Ann Coulter?

    Steve Malynn (b5f891)

  25. Milhouse, I don’t intend to go round and round with you again and again. You’re pissed at me and looking to score points, I get it. However, this is a timely topic and I’m interested in the details, and you’re nothing if not about details, unfortunately usually irrelevant ones, but this time you’ve included a few worthy of response. So, I’ll take them in order from the top.

    I don’t know if Cruz has divided loyalties or not. He may well have based on the usual and normal nationalism loyal citizens feel for their country of origin or absorb from parents. Cruz’s father was Cuban and well might have retained the pride and nostalgia for the old country so many immigrants feel deeply. It’s a well known worldwide phenomena whether the motivation for leaving, one step ahead of the authorities or carrying the hopes and best wishes of friends and family.

    Again, I don’t know where Cruz’s loyalties lie, but our Founders were concerned and they used place of birth to stand as an indicator of the potential for divided loyalties and made constitutional provision to prevent the possibility as best they could. I’m unwilling to ignore, alter, or re-interpret their intentions. Until the constitution is amended it’s the duty of all loyal Americans to follow the Founders’ provisions to the letter, no matter what stars or modern superstitions others may choose to follow.

    Blackstone isn’t very helpful when it comes to certain aspects of American Constitutional Law, although most of our laws are derived from English Common Law, the corpus of American law also includes contributions from Spanish Law, French Law, and native American customs and concepts which make it unique. But most importantly Blackstone was concerned with the rights and obligations of monarchs and their subjects. Americans are concerned about the rights and obligations of elected leaders, federal and state governments and citizens – a class of individuals vastly different from mere subjects of the crown.

    I’m not especially concerned about Cruz’s loyalties, I take him to be an honest and loyal US citizen, just not a natural born one. My concern is with the US Constitution.

    We have only to examine the last 7 years to see the problems which can arise when the Commander-in-Chief’s divided loyalties render him unfit to lead the nation in war or in peace. Remember, Obama was to be the post-racial president who was going to bring the country together, mend the racial divide, and cause the seas to recede and the Earth to heal itself. He was given the Nobel Peace Prize before he and Hillary turned the Egypt over to the Muslim Brotherhood, killed Gaddafi, ran guns to ISIS, and turned their backs on brave Americans to let them die in Benghazi.

    It seems to me Obama has shown loyalty to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and several other nations and foreign ideologies rather than to the US. Communism and Islamic domination of the world are similar in their goals, similar in their methods, and sisters under the skin. And, in Obama’s world of divided loyalties all come before his pledge to protect the nation and uphold the constitution.

    How is it Milhouse that you can acknowledge the anit-American influence Obama’s family had on him, yet deny the same forces could have been at work on the young Ted Cruz? Please, don’t think you have to answer…

    Obama’s so-called Birth Certificate makes a lot of difference. If it’s a phony then he’s guilty of a manufacturing an official document for the purpose of obtaining the highest elected office in the land by fraudulent means, a gross felony. Wouldn’t you agree?

    And, finally, yes, Milhouse, as I have previously (as you are no doubt well aware) stated my belief that Barack Obama Sr was a beard for Obama’s real father. Google Barack Obama and Malcolm X and those who have eyes, and are willing to use them, will notice a remarkable resemblance between father and son.

    Next google Barack Obama Sr and Barack Obama Jr and those with open eyes and open minds will be hard pressed to find enough similarities to overcome the overwhelming impact of the many common elements in the first comparison. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

    So, yes, Milhouse, before you pounce please google the comparisons. Then you can begin the vivisection.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  26. I’m willing to answer reasonable questions, however please do the 2 comparisons listed in the final 4 short paragraphs in my comment at #25 first. Thank you.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  27. I’ll just say that I think Cruz is not a person who pines for the old country, rather he is proud of the freedom and opportunity that his family found in the US and would hate to see it perish from the face of the earth, more so that 90% of the people currently elected to federal office.

    Of course I could be wrong,
    but I was right about Obama.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  28. Sounds like there will be millions of empty chairs tonight, in front of all the TVs that are tuned into something, anything, else but this shameless bathos.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  29. Ropeliight,

    (a) I was unaware of Cruz’ potential Cuban citizenship, because I’m unfamiliar with Cuban citizenship law. I acknowledge that he used to be a Canadian citizen (he has renounced).

    (b) under 8 USC 1431, a child born outside of the US “automatically becomes a citizen of the Unitied States” when at least one parent is a citizen, the child is under the age of 18, and the child resides in the US in the legal and physical custody of the citizen parent.

    Note that this DOES NOT REQUIRE filing a consular report of birth abroad. According to state’s webpage, a CRBA would be proof of citizenship (as would a valid passport), but the US Code does not require that you do it.

    It may have been different when Cruz was born. Do you have a citation to the law as it stood on his birthday?

    aphrael (ff6401)

  30. Milhouse, in response to your comment at #21, I’m not sufficiently up to date on the relevant law to say one way or the other, but my experience with your dogmatic pronouncements is they’re so fraught with overly convenient and self-serving cherry picking as to render most of what you allege as suspect or worse.

    Perhaps one of our resident lawyers will chime in. Till then my original take at #17 remains as stated.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  31. aphrael, thanks for taking an interest. No I don’t have a cite. I read a comment on the topic somewhere else and was working from memory at #17. I’ll try to find the article.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  32. Note also 8 USC 1401, which says:

    “the following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth”:

    ….

    “a person born outside of the United States and its qualifying possessions of parents, one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been phyisically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person”

    again, it’s *automatic*, not depending on the filing of any paperwork.

    aphrael (ff6401)

  33. Till then, it seems to me the interplay between convenience to the parents and the ongoing necessity of preventing fraudulent claims for US citizenship would close the doors on most self-reported paths to US citizenship. Just because a US citizen parent claims US citizenship for a self-reported foreign born child shouldn’t be taken at face value, even if the current president is a Democrat.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  34. ropelight’s appears pretty transparent; he’s a Trump fan, so whatever it takes to beat down Trump’s nearest challenger, he’s willing to do.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  35. Citizen of the US doesn’t necessarily qualify as a natural born citizen. The 2 are different and never the twain shall meet. There’s nothing natural born about the son of a Cuban father who was born in Canada to an American mother who failed to notify the American Embassy/Consulate in Calgary of the circumstances of the child’s birth.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  36. Cruz Supporter, don’t try to tar me with that silly brush. Yes, I favor Trump, but I also believe that Cruz is the 2 best man in the race. He’s not qualified, but he’s 2nd best. Read my comments, other than the NBC issue you’ll not find a single negative word against Cruz. Look! Please look.

    I was firmly in the Cruz camp till The Donald won my support. I still hold Ted Cruz in high regard, I can support Trump without trying to trash Cruz. Not many here can say the same.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  37. Donald Trump was a Democrat until he reached his 60s, simply because he was always so passionate about protecting the integrity of the southern border and the sacred duty of American citizenship.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. ropelight, you don’t even realize you’ve jumped the shark.
    At least Fonzie did.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  39. CZ, you haven’t looked have you? And, I said Please look. But fairness and accuracy just aren’t in your DNA. The difference you and a Hillary bot is gender.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  40. ropelight, I like the cut of your jib.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  41. Oh, ropelight, that’s the best you can do?
    …call me a Hillary supporter, even though I just blasted her?

    Your man Trump voted for Bill Clinton in ’92 and ’96. He invited Hillary to his wedding. He voted for Obama in 2008. He supports the Kelo decision by the Supreme Court. He supports single payer health care, just as Hillary does.

    Yet you’re going to accuse me of being a Hillary supporter. And you claim that Cruz is = Hillary, but then you claim Cruz is your second choice, behind Trump. How can Cruz be your second choice if you see him as equal to Hillary?

    You sound like the vegetarian who eats hamburgers…but only Monday thru Sunday.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. Steve, thanks, it’s mutual.

    CS, you continue to miss the point. This is the last time. I don’t oppose Cruz – I support Trump. There’s a difference. You can’t see it. Other’s can. You’re like a Hillary bot in your blind unthinking support for a candidate and your corresponding haste to trash other candidates you perceive as a threat.

    You’r a partisan hack, dogmatic, uninformed, quick to attack, and slow of mind.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  43. Patterico,

    I’m hoping to hear booing.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  44. ROpelight,

    Please stop pounding that poor dead straw horse. Nobody but scoundrels has ever thought that a person born to an American citizen was not an American citizen. NEVER EVER. Everyone is tired of hearing it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  45. Kevin, I’m tired of disingenuous hacks pretending that American Citizen is the same as Natural Born Citizen. The 2 are so different the Founders made a point of including NBC in the US Constitution. Only a scoundrel would boor participants here by continually misrepresenting the core issue.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  46. Oh, that’s riiiight, ropelight, your candidate Donald Trump has been a Democrat Clintonite for decades, yet you claim that people who support Ted Cruz are the “real” Clinton supporters.

    You claim that Cruz = Clinton, but then you claim that Cruz is your second choice.
    So doesn’t that also mean that Clinton is your second choice?

    You Trump supporters are like sports fans who set sofas on fire whether your team wins or loses the championship…you’re just overwhelmed by emotion, so you choose to run around on the street at midnight.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  47. obama speaks
    the media kneels
    Americans work
    for hacks and heels
    impeach impeach impeach

    mg (31009b)

  48. CS, if you’re still in school, do yourself a favor and take a course in logic. It’s not a complete cure but it will help – guaranteed. And, remember my comment at #42 This is my last time.

    Please direct your sophomoric nonsense elsewhere. I agreed to respond to reasonable questions. Your’s don’t qualify.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  49. Cruz/West
    Trump/Wittle
    leave the rest
    deservedly belittled

    mg (31009b)

  50. Gotta love teh Iranian sh*tbags thumbing their nose at Barry Obama same day as SOTU… http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAN_US_NAVY_BOATS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-12-16-04-56

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  51. In my total non-educated non-lawyer knowledge base,
    maybe the difference is between
    a “natural born citizen”
    and
    a “naturalized citizen”

    Both of which are “American citizens”

    Cruz was born a citizen by virtue of an American citizen mother, yes??

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  52. ropelight,

    There’s nobody on either side of the political spectrum who asserts that Cruz = Clinton.
    …except for you.

    Essentially, you believe that a Ted Cruz Administration is no preferable to a Hillary Clinton Administration. And you said so explicitly in #11.

    Look, we all realize that Donald Trump appeals to people’s base emotions and that you just got caught up in the whirlwind. But it’s silly of you to make the claim that those of us who support Ted Cruz are actually secret Hillary supporters.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  53. ropelight – the constitution failed to define ‘natural born citizen’. which means it basically has to be defined by reference to the british common law of the time, which was understood by the framers; there’s nowhere else to draw the definition from.

    it’s pretty clear that the british common law of the time considered ‘natural born citizens’ to include everyone born abroad to citizens.

    if you have some alternative definition, what is that definition rooted in?

    aphrael (ff6401)

  54. No, ropelight is not saying Cruz equals Hillary, he is saying Cruz is less than full-blooded American, which is true. Whether Trump is any better is a separate question. A well-made burrito might be better for you than a bad hamburger.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. Cruz was born a citizen by virtue of an American citizen mother, yes??

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 1/12/2016 @ 4:05 pm

    That does seem to follow. You were either a citizen on the day you were born or subsequently became one. Cruz is in the first category. This is Trump nonsense.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  56. nk, this is what ropelight wrote,

    If you liked what happened to the country over the last 7 years and want more of the same, vote for Hillary, Cruz, or Rubio. It just doesn’t make much difference.

    ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 10:32 am

    I think a reasonable person can conclude he’s saying it makes no difference whether Hillary, Cruz, or Rubio becomes President. In other words, Cruz or Rubio is not only no better than Hillary, but each of them would be no different than Obama. Don’t blame me—it’s what he wrote.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  57. “Let me be clear,” “Make no mistake,” “There are those in Washington who say,” and “That’s not who we are as Americans,” are a few of the cliches we can expect tonight.

    “ISIS has been contained,” “Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam,” “GDP is up 372%,” “I like Slurpees at 7/Eleven,” and “There are 5 billion more American employed now, as opposed to when I took office” are a few more that we might hear tonight. Especially if he’s feeling some anxiety as a result from not having had a piece of Nicorette gum during the previous hour.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  58. nk, not quite, the context of my comment at #11 was the adverse consequences of leaders with divided loyalties and the Founders’ efforts to prevent those evils from happening in the US.

    If you liked what happened to the country over the last 7 years and want more of the same, vote for Hillary, Cruz, or Rubio. It just doesn’t make much difference.

    Contrary to CS’s rash overstatement, I never claimed the 3 individuals were the same, obviously they’re not. His game is attempting to initiate a pecking party – find a soft spot and keep pecking at it till it runs red with blood and attracts fellow ghouls, even if he has to manufacture the soft spot out or whole cloth. It’s dishonest, but that’s on him.

    My point at #11 was that all 3 were subject to concerns about divided loyalties, and that Hillary’s collectivist ideology and criminal obsessions, and the potential foreign influences affecting both Cruz and Rubio put them in the same category of possibly continuing the sick syndrome of divided loyalties which typify the Obama presidency.

    Hence, the statement that if you liked what happened to the US over the last 7 years go ahead and vote for a candidate with the same sort of background which produced a bastard like Obama.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  59. I still hold Ted Cruz in high regard, I can support Trump without trying to trash Cruz. Not many here can say the same.

    ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 1:58 pm

    I don’t oppose Cruz – I support Trump. There’s a difference. You can’t see it. Other’s can.

    ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 2:39 pm

    My point at #11 was that all 3 were subject to concerns about divided loyalties, and that Hillary’s collectivist ideology and criminal obsessions, and the potential foreign influences affecting both Cruz and Rubio put them in the same category of possibly continuing the sick syndrome of divided loyalties which typify the Obama presidency.

    Hence, the statement that if you liked what happened to the US over the last 7 years go ahead and vote for a candidate with the same sort of background which produced a bastard like Obama.

    ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 5:17 pm

    ropelight dodges and weaves like the guy he supports.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  60. At #59, Gerald says: ropelight dodges and weaves like the guy he supports.

    No, Gerald, I do my best to tell it like it is, like Trump. I realize it’s difficult for partisan hacks to grasp, but you still have to take the heat for underhanded propaganda. Come out of the darkness and into the sunshine, it’s easier to see beyond the end of your nose, the light is so much better.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  61. While I do not want to know anything about the SOTU, Patterico, I do want to know what concert you’re attending – and on a school night?!

    Dana (86e864)

  62. Practically, where a person is born is irrelevant. I have no memories relating to my whereabouts before the age of 3. And after that it is pretty sketchy until the age of 5. However, Mom and Dad and Gagga defined my world, and they were all citizens of the U. S., two naturalized, so it never occurred to me to wonder what country I was a citizen of. So if we are going to wonder about the intent, I think the focus should be on the parents, not the child.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  63. we’ve got college tree hockey on at the house…

    hopefully, people all over the country are doing something similar, just to drive his ratings down where they belong.

    as a side note, the quality of trolls at this blog has certainly declined over the years.

    personally, i blame Bush for this. 😎

    redc1c4 (f06ee1)

  64. I’m watching. The big news so far is that Paul Ryan shaved his scraggly beard.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  65. At #59, Gerald says: ropelight dodges and weaves like the guy he supports.

    No, Gerald, I do my best to tell it like it is, like Trump. I realize it’s difficult for partisan hacks to grasp, but you still have to take the heat for underhanded propaganda. Come out of the darkness and into the sunshine, it’s easier to see beyond the end of your nose, the light is so much better.

    ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 5:40 pm

    You haven’t told anything like it is. Divided loyalties? You’re trying to smear Cruz now.

    Your statements are inconsistent from one post to the next. You and Trump both say one thing one minute and something else the next.

    I do not have these hackish contradictions and smears which characterize your posts.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  66. I’m watching. The big news so far is that Paul Ryan shaved his scraggly beard.

    It’s already a disappointment then.

    Dana (86e864)

  67. Divided loyalties? You’re trying to smear Cruz now.

    No Gerald, I’m trying to focus on what the Founders were getting at when they limited the Presidency to only natural born citizens. Not all American citizens qualify, only the specified class of citizens are eligible.

    Your preferred candidate was born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother. I’m not familiar with Cuban law but if it’s like American law then Ted Cruz was a Cuban citizen at birth as well as an American citizen, maybe even a Canadian citizen too.

    That’s text book example of the type of individual the Founders were attempting to keep out of the White House. They weren’t attempting to smear Ted Cruz and neither am I.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  68. American Citizen is the same as Natural Born Citizen

    And it isn’t. Two types:

    A. A Foreigner who completes the naturalization process. “Naturalized citizen”
    B. Someone who is considered a citizen at birth. “Natural born” = “Born a citizen”

    There is no third type, which is what you argue.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  69. ropelight (b8c6e5) — 1/12/2016 @ 6:27 pm

    The question of whether Cruz qualifies as “natural born” has nothing to do with divided loyalties. That’s a hackish smear and the kind of thing your idol typically says.

    You keep repeating this straw man that not all citizens are natural born – but no one has said they are.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  70. If the Founders had meant “born in the United States” they would have used those words, just as they placed residency requirements on high office.

    They did not, and instead used works that meant “citizen at birth.”

    The people who wrote the Constitution used clear and concise language language throughout. This has frustrated all but the most mendacious attempts to twist their words.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  71. Gerald, Cruz is a citizen but not a natural born citizen. He’s not eligible for the presidency. We are currently in the 7th year of a president with divided loyalties. Let’s not repeat the same mistake again. As good an American as Ted Cruz has no doubt shown himself to be, he’s not constitutionally qualified to run for the presidency.

    I wish it weren’t so, I’d like to see American voters get and opportunity to choose between him and Trump. But not at the expense of ignoring our foundation document.

    Read the note John Jay sent to George Washington on July 25th 1789 while he was presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention. I’ll reproduce it here, otherwise I fear you’ll continue to ignore the reason Jay sent it.

    Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.

    It’s beyond dispute that Jay was concerned about the adverse influence Foreigners might exert in our republic: divided loyalties.

    —–Kevin, if the Founders had intended the presidency to open to citizens at birth they would have said so. They didn’t, they specified natural born citizens for the reason John Jay explained in his note to Washington.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  72. Obama is still rattling on and on ad nauseaum. I thought this SotU was supposed to be shorter than previous ones. Now he’s calling on Americans to do their civic duties. What a empty headed hypocrite.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  73. President Disconnect McFlatulence puts the final coat of lipstick on his pig of a presidency.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Everything this callow, feckless incompetent has touched has turned to excrement. What a star!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. I’m well past ready to see the obnoxious hypocrite skulk from the public arena, like a vampire’s shade at sunrise.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  76. This uncivil, finger-pointing, blameshifter has the stones to lecture the American people on civility!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. Colonel, it isn’t his stones that animate his transgressions, it’s his cowardice. He accuses others of his shortcomings to shock and confuse would be accusers. It’s a cheap old trick of the flim-flam artist, but it still works especially well on honest people. They can’t believe someone would be so disingenuous.

    It’s the first trick Alinski’s followers learn.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  78. Another explanation is that they did not want a dynasty of Caesars which was the end of the Roman Republic, so they excluded persons delivered by Caesarian section, and required a “natural” birth.

    nk (dbc370)

  79. So, the Romans preferred those born between piss and shit?

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  80. Wake up Cruz supporters. He’s on Megyn Kelly’s TV show and making a bravo appearance, saying all the right things. Very impressive.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  81. Controlled flatulence
    we’ve heard of His heroics
    pull the other one

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  82. How did Gov Halley do tonight?

    seeRpea (681f26)

  83. another take on the ‘who is eligible to be PotUS’ – is someone who was adopted disqualified since parentage (and maybe even birth location) is unknown?

    seeRpea (681f26)

  84. Haley had her moments and earned praise from most TV talking heads. However, she had her greatest support when she blamed Congress for failing to work with Obama. All taken together I’d say she missed a golden opportunity to put the blame where it belongs and instead pandered to Democrats for her own political ambitions: short sighted and self-serving.

    ropelight (b8c6e5)

  85. ropelight, you wrote what you wrote in comment #11.
    If you want to walk it back, then just say, “Yeah, my bad, I realize Cruz and Rubio are not actually on George Soros’ payroll.”
    You’re a Trump supporter, and that’s fine, but why not focus on persuading people that he’s the best potential nominee?

    Do you really believe Ted Cruz has divided loyalties?
    This kind of over the top rhetoric is why a lot of people are turned off by Trump.

    The ironic thing is that Trump is the one with divided loyalties…one year he’s inviting Hillary to his wedding, and another year he’s saying she belongs in prison. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  86. Ropelight, your premise seems to be that the reason 0bama hid his birth certificate for so long, and then, you claim, released a forged one, is because the real one lists Malcolm Little as his father. That is, not to put too fine a point on it, an insane theory.

    Absolutely bonkers, bouncing off those padded walls,
    Completely crackers, looney tunes, buh-duh buh-duh buh-duh–that’s all.
    The lights are on, nobody’s home, moronic vegetable,
    Bet yer bottom dollar […] crazy!

    First, there’s no foundation for it. When is Stanley supposed to have met Malcolm? Did he ever visit Hawaii? Or Seattle, where she was at college?

    Second and more important, it’s insane to suppose that while she was telling the whole world, including the newspaper, that her baby-daddy was her purported husband Barack Obama, she told the birth registry otherwise. Why would she do that? If the story she told everyone else was a lie, why not lie on the birth certificate too? And that’s supposing the newspaper got the notice from her or her parents, not from the birth registry; I don’t think that’s been established.

    Third, if your supposition is correct, then what did 0bama gain by covering it up? You claim “he’s guilty of a manufacturing an official document for the purpose of obtaining the highest elected office in the land”, but (a) he was already president when he released it, and (b) how could it help him? On the contrary, being Malcolm X’s son would put to rest the claim of all those nuts who think NBC means both parents have to be citizens!

    For that matter, why would Stanley have covered up the fact (if it were one) that she’d born a chlid to Malcolm X? In her circles it would surely have given her even more radical cred than marrying a Kenyan.

    Finally, why do you care who his father was? What difference could it possibly make? Whoever he was, he had no hand in raising young Barry, and therefore no influence on him.

    And that’s before we even get to the simple fact that there’s no reason to question the authenticity of the certificate he eventually released.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  87. aphrael (ff6401) — 1/12/2016 @ 4:38 pm

    Read Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’. That is the basis for ‘natural born’. To be natural born, one must be born of citizen parents. The Founders wanted it that way to prevent dual loyalties, the very problem we see with Barry today.

    RickZ (ee9c7e)

  88. re #86: well we know that it does not have to be parents, that a single parent would do. See Chester Author whose father was Irish.

    seeRpea (681f26)

  89. 87.re #86: well we know that it does not have to be parents, that a single parent would do. See Chester Author whose father was Irish.
    seeRpea (681f26) — 1/12/2016 @ 10:20 pm

    Yes, and Arthur had his personal papers burned at or near the time of his death to hide his history. There was a court case about Arthur that became moot at his death, so the ‘natural-born’ issue was never fully litigated. But the Constitution lists three separate types of citizenship: Natural-born, native-born and naturalized. All three categories of citizenship are eligible to hold all Federal elective offices except for the Presidency and the Vice-Presidency. Now why would the Founders list three categories of citizenship, with only one narrow category being eligible to be president and VP? To prevent dual loyalties, as the Founders clearly stated in their writings.

    RickZ (ee9c7e)

  90. Next: So now you’re worried that Cruz may have a secret loyalty to Cuba?! But then what has his Canadian birth got to do with it? He’d have the same affinity to Cuba whether he was born in Calgary or Dallas.

    I’m sure he does have a special regard for Cuba, just as an Irish president would have for Ireland, or an African one for Africa. That is only to be expected, and there’s nothing wrong with it. But along with that regard for the island and its people comes a deep hostility to its regime. Rather than favoring Cuba in any negotiations, he may be too hard on it, because of the hatred for Castro that he presumably imbibed from his earliest childhood.

    Speaking of Cuba, though, I realised that I erred earlier when I wrote that 0bama’s loyalities are not actually foreign, because there’s no country that represents what he believes in. I had forgotten about Cuba. I’m sure he imbibed, with his mother’s milk, a deep friendship for Cuba and its government, that has stayed with him to this day. But as far as I know neither he nor any of his ancestors have ever set foot on the island.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  91. All I had to do was read haley and her cohorts response to know that I will never ever vote for a ticket with that useless bimbo from s.carolina on it. Home of the amnesty creeps. Lindsey and troy boy. Team republican has no shame. I am to the point I hope Trump wins all 57 states.

    mg (31009b)

  92. It seems to me Obama has shown loyalty to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and several other nations and foreign ideologies rather than to the US.

    No, he hasn’t. He isn’t loyal to any foreign country, he’s just disloyal to the USA. He is not motivated by love for any foreign country, but by disdain for the USA, and for all other white, English-speaking countries. He sides with whoever opposes them, not caring much what they stand for.

    Communism and Islamic domination of the world are similar in their goals, similar in their methods, and sisters under the skin.

    No, they’re not at all similar. Almost the only thing they have in common is that they both hate us.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  93. You sound like the vegetarian who eats hamburgers…but only Monday thru Sunday.

    You mean like Hitler?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  94. Who wrote the bimbos response tommy donahue of the chamber of hate America commerce? This woman should be ashamed to breathe. If these losers from team republican take out Cruz and Trump I will vote Bernie. I really do hate republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  95. The turds of team republican should have had a THIS MAN give the middle finger speech to president petulant.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/breaking-rep-steve-king-walks-out-on-obama-sotu-address/

    mg (31009b)

  96. 44

    … Nobody but scoundrels has ever thought that a person born to an American citizen was not an American citizen. NEVER EVER. …

    Really, so if a Mexican woman was visiting LA in 1900 and gave birth and then took the child back to Mexico the next day and that child now has 100 living descendants none of whom have ever spent a day in the US all of them are American citizens?

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  97. But the Constitution lists three separate types of citizenship: Natural-born, native-born and naturalized.

    No, it doesn’t. Before commenting on the constitution it pays to have read it.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  98. Read Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’. That is the basis for ‘natural born’.

    No, it isn’t. Blackstone may have been; Vattel definitely wasn’t.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  99. What kind of female would sell her country out for a handful of pricks?

    mg (31009b)

  100. America
    former home of team republican. Just pack your effin bags, turds.

    mg (31009b)

  101. nikki dimbulb says whatever meghan’s coward daddy tells her to say

    she’s a nasty piece of sleazeware what gets trotted out when tommy donahue’s whiteboy chambermaids need them some boobies front and center while they hang out in the back with their harem of young nubile hispanic boys

    happyfeet (831175)

  102. happyfeet, Is it true haley received syphilis from paul Begala.

    mg (31009b)

  103. yes yes it’s true

    and there’s not gonna be no moonshot for nikki’s nethers i’m afraid

    i’m a add her to my prayer list

    happyfeet (831175)

  104. Media mogul Rupert Murdoch is engaged to Jerry Hall

    ok this is gonna take some processing

    happyfeet (831175)

  105. cnn has a piece up called Who said it: Nikki Haley or Barack Obama

    happyfeet (831175)

  106. How can these prostitutes of political correctness survive?
    She would pull a train for a dime, no doubt.

    mg (31009b)

  107. Everyone now knows her as Nancy.

    mg (31009b)

  108. If the claim is divided loyalties,
    I think Clinton and Trump have loyalties to themselves more than the rule of Constitutional law.
    That I think Cruz has.
    Lex Rex
    I don’t think he’s a phony.

    Thanks for the link about King
    “I went to the chapel to pray for the restoration of the Constitution”
    (or something like that)

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  109. If the claim is divided loyalties, Texas would be the “other country”, not Cuba or Calgary. 😉 But I understand what ropelight is saying. It’s a question of having an American consciousness and conscience. Which you get from roots planted deep in American soil — multiple generations of American citizens and not transplants or grafts. I was for Walker from the beginning just for that reason.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. What I’d like to see is a special episode of Maury Povich where we find out once and for all who is the President’s daddy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  111. Hall has a thing for wrinkly, old guys.

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  112. Teh commenter Milhouse exists…

    No he doesn’t.

    Colonel Haiku (933076)

  113. I am delighted to say that I have never listened to any of his state of the union speeches.

    Bar Sinister (c62a89)

  114. Next: So now you’re worried that Cruz may have a secret loyalty to Cuba?! But then what has his Canadian birth got to do with it? He’d have the same affinity to Cuba whether he was born in Calgary or Dallas.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 1/12/2016 @ 10:30 pm

    You expect him to make any sense? He’s like a mini-Trump.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  115. US Constitution aside, I’d have more confidence in a Cruz even if he were 100% foreign born but a staunch conservative compared with a 100% native-born American who’s a staunch liberal.

    (I’m still disgusted by all the leftist Brits for bad mouthing and partying about the death of Margaret Thatcher a few years ago.)

    Mark (f713e4)

  116. Cruz Supporter, the key to understanding the final 2 sentences in my comment at #11 is to read what I wrote in context. Your efforts to put words in my mouth and then ridicule me for your inaccurate and absurd reduction has worn itself out. Here’s what you wrote at #52:

    ropelight,

    There’s nobody on either side of the political spectrum who asserts that Cruz = Clinton.
    …except for you…

    You’re dead wrong about that. I never said that Cruz = Clinton -> you did.

    Now, I realize you’ve got the bit between your teeth and will run with the phony allegation till you’ve made such a blithering fool of yourself you’ll have to change screen names to avoid the same summary rejection earned by the odious Perry.

    So, till your chickens come home to roost, I’m not going back over well plowed ground. Either find a new spot to peck, move on, or just go away. You’ve become nothing but a repetitious phony troll. And you know it.

    ropelight (14b685)

  117. “If you liked what happened to the country over the last 7 years and want more of the same, vote for Hillary, Cruz, or Rubio. It just doesn’t make much difference.”

    – rope light

    Yeah… that speaks for itself. Your squirming speaks for itself, too.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  118. 112.I am delighted to say that I have never listened to any of his state of the union speeches.

    I haven’t watched any SOTU speeches except Bush in 2002 to see how he handled the terrorist attack from 9/11. I also don’t watch the Tony’s, the Academy awards, the Country Music or any music awards or any other program, speech or show wherein the participants pat themselves on the back or give each other awards for doing their jobs and becoming millionaires doing it. Hell, I don’t even like seeing debates and such for the same reason but at least there the people are running for a position they don’t already have so I can understand that.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  119. i detest what obama did on failmerica

    i am cancel all my trips to europe

    gonna stay home

    stay home and vote for Mr. The Donald

    he will make america great again!

    happyfeet (831175)

  120. zoe saldana is PISSED about the clap claps

    wtf is a zoe saldana

    pls to advice

    happyfeet (831175)

  121. In response to Milhouse at #86:

    In order:

    Yes, I do believe Obama suppressed his actual birth certificate and released an altered document concealing the identity of his birth father. I don’t know that with 100% certainty but I do know the
    document he released is obviously fraudulent.

    Stanley Ann Dunham met Malcolm X while he was a guest of Frank Marshall Davis at his home in Honolulu’s Jungle neighborhood. Stanley was Davis’s lover and he passed her on to Malcolm, who impregnated her.

    Stanley concealed the identity of her child’s true father because Malcolm was a leading figure in the Black Muslim movement, married, and the living embodyment of the movement’s racial separation doctrines. Malcolm would have been humiliated and likely excommunicated by such an obvious betrayal of BM orthodoxy by consorting with a white woman who had born his son.

    Dunham was willing to tell all the right lies in public, but when it came to the official (private) document of her son’s birth she told the truth because she was proud to be the mother of Malcolm’s baby. She wanted to make sure that one day the boy would know the truth of his parentage.

    Obama couldn’t tell the truth of his birth because Bill Ayres had already written Obama’s books about the Dreams of My (surrogate) Father which were the foundation for his so-called inspiring personal journey. Obama was already so deep in the deception he couldn’t back out, he was stuck so he played for time and finally had to release a botched forgery. The Democrats, their media enablers and soft-headed Republicans (like many of our fellow commenters here) bought into his scam lock, stock, and barrel.

    Lots of insiders knew the truth, Stanley and little Malcolm followed the boy’s father around the country attending his speaking engagements. They tried to stay under the radar but the story did circulate in private. It finally reached Elijah Muhammad (who had his own problems with young women) and resulted in accusations against both men. Malcolm was silenced. Then murdered.

    Stanley went into hiding, married again, and took Berry to Indonesia (for protection?).

    I care because it matters. Look at what this treacherous bastard has done to our country then ask me again why I care.

    Malcolm was dead, but he had a great and lasting influence on Obama. To say otherwise is pure nonsense. Frank Marshall Davis was an ever present influence during Obama’s formative years, as was his mother and grandparents. The only one who wasn’t around to influence the boy was Barack Obama Sr. The man who supposedly dreamed impossible dreams that Obama dedicated himself to fulfilling.

    Milhouse, there is absolutely no reason to question Obama’s so-called Birth Certificate unless you actually look at it. Then the reasons become overwhelming. The implications even more so.

    ropelight (14b685)

  122. Gerald, Kevin, and Leviticus: call and make an appointment, apparently Milhouse’s Syndrome by Proxy is contagious. It first manifests itself as a pronounced inability to read the English language quickly followed by an obsessive urge to run around naked.

    ropelight (14b685)

  123. Hmmm, I always thought Malcolm was killed because he was causing trouble for Elijah Muhammad over the pedophilia,
    That Malcolm was actually departing some of the Nation of Islam ways and becoming something of a “moderate”* Muslim.

    *Moderate Muslim- a person who believes in Allah and what they think they know of Mohammed and the Qur’an,
    but who claims to not subscribe to pedophelia, violent jihad, or other things not congruent with Western freedoms.
    Some say that by definition they do not exist, but they think they do.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  124. Well not exactly, elijah’s faction was more nationalist, hence kaddafi contributed to funding, after 1969, the other is more closely affiliated with the kingdom.

    narciso (6b5b0b)

  125. ropelight: You’ve convinced me. Cruz would have divided loyalties because his father is Cuban.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  126. Yes, MD, Malcolm X was murdered for a number of instances of drifting away from the Elijah Muhammad’s strict BM dogma, and eventually confronting EM over the many ways the Nation of Islam differed from the Islam practiced in BM mosques.

    Malcoml X had been on the hajj and was struck by the differences Elijah Muhammad had introduced into the Black Muslim movement, many at direct odds with traditional Islam.

    The Hajj is an annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca, and a mandatory religious duty for Muslims that must be carried out at least once in their lifetime by all adult Muslims who are physically and financially capable of undertaking the journey, and can support their family during their absence. It is one of the five pillars of Islam,

    Malcolm’s attempts to have EM explain himself for the deviations and for his obsessive sexual abuse of young BM girls, plus his own hypocrisy – the half-white son, and associated problems within his own marriage came to a head and Malcolm was assassinated.

    ropelight (14b685)

  127. Ropelight: Yes, I do believe Obama suppressed his actual birth certificate and released an altered document concealing the identity of his birth father.

    If it was a lie that his father was Barack Obama Sr. the lie was on the original birth certificate Or do you think he was givena different name at borth?

    The person whose birth certificate we have never seen is Bill Clinton’s. If the date given as his date of birth, August 19, 1946, is correct, and his father was Bill Blythe, then he would have had to have been born a little bit prematurely, because Bill Blythe arrived in a place where he could meet his wife on December 7, 1945. But nobody has ever said he was premature.

    Now it is notable that Bill Clinton is the only officeholder listed in the 1980 Almanac of American Politics (the first one, published after the 1978 election) in which he would have appeared, who does not have a date of birth! Only the month is listed: August, 1946.

    I suspect he changed his date of birth (somehow had it “corrected”) after the draft lottery of 1969, and that date of August 19, was not the same day celebrated as his birthday during his high school, and earlier, years. I have seen nothing to contradict that hypothesis. Not one mention anywhere of a picture taken before 1969 on a certain day, with that date stated to be his birthday, or anything mentioning a high school friend who had the same, or a close, birthday. Nothing at all to support the notion that August 19 was his birthday. Remember, Bill Clinton was politically connected to the machine that ran Hot Springs, Arkansas, or had been running it at least through the mid-1960s, although the machine failed to prevent him being sent a draft notice. His step-uncle arramnged for Bill Clinton to go into the reserves, and Bill Clinton himself arranged to go into ROTC, ushing him into the next year, and in the end, I think, he was able to alter his date of birth after the dates had been chosen.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  128. It is interesting to note, that from what little I know, one could have made the case from the life of Mohammad that EM’s pedophilia was not (too far, anyway) off base from “True Islam”,
    but Malcolm’s experience of seeing different races in harmony during the Hajj was one major thing that really fueled the divide, and the ultimate death of one of them.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  129. Alright, Patterico:

    All these comments, and no one asks the obvious question: What concert?

    And the follow up: Was it good?

    arik (02de93)

  130. Alright, Patterico:

    All these comments, and no one asks the obvious question: What concert?

    And the follow up: Was it good?

    Thanks for asking. I went to Disney Hall and saw Emanuel Ax and Itzhak Perlman perform violin sonatas by Mozart, Faure, and Richard Strauss, along with some encores by Kreisler, Schumann, and others. Yes, it was wonderful. I had a center orchestra view seat, second row, and enjoyed it quite a bit more than I think I would have enjoyed listening to Obama drone on in partisan fashion. (I don’t mean the praise to sound so faint. It really was excellent.)

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  131. Hey! I asked about the concert yesterday!

    While I do not want to know anything about the SOTU, Patterico, I do want to know what concert you’re attending – and on a school night?!
    Dana (86e864) — 1/12/2016 @ 5:41 pm

    Sounds like a superb evening.

    Dana (86e864)

  132. Sounds like a great show. I wouldn’t mind taking my brats to see a good classical concert, but all they want is this rock ‘n roll stuff all the kids are into nowadays.

    And sorry Dana. I seem to have missed your asking in my perusal of the thread. Mea Culpa.

    arik (02de93)

  133. Oh, stop, arik, this isn’t anything to apologize for. I was just teasing Patterico. I’m glad he saw your inquiry so we could find out who he went to see perform.

    Dana (86e864)

  134. I have a guilty conscience.

    arik (02de93)


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