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11/13/2015

Developing Story: Attacks in Paris

Filed under: General — JVW @ 3:17 pm



[guest post by JVW]

At least three coordinated attacks in Paris this evening have led to 35 dead thus far and possibly 100 held hostage. There has been a shootout at a restaurant and an explosion at a bar. Fox News has a report here.

I have to step away from my laptop for probably the rest of the evening, so I invite JD, Dana, Patterico or whomever to update this post as more news is released.

– JVW

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Well, the news as I am reading Allahpundit’s coverage at Hot Air is horrifying. The animals started executing people at the concert hall one by one and people were begging via texts for a police raid. I don’t want to quote developing reports about possible death tolls but the ones I am reading at Hot Air are absolutely horrible.

For what it’s worth, the U.S. claimed today that it had killed Jihadi John, the ISIS scumbag with the British accent seen wielding a knife in many decapitation videos. In a statement that was unfortunate on several levels, Obama said that ISIS has been “contained” but that their leadership has not been “decapitated.” Really?

Our prayers are with the people of Paris and France tonight.

140 Responses to “Developing Story: Attacks in Paris”

  1. Just a horrible situation.

    JVW (738b08)

  2. that could never happen here

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  3. Condolences to all.
    Now get serious and arm your civilians.

    mg (31009b)

  4. Early reports are notoriously inaccurate, but this one is in wide circulation now:

    I’ve heard reports there are 6 separate attacks. Apparently, the attack at the Soccer stadium was an attempt to kidnap the French President who was there for the match between France and Germany. Some of the other attacks were designed to draw police away from the stadium. However, the plan quickly went awry, a suicide bomber detonated his explosive vest, the stadium was sealed and police protected the President.

    ropelight (f80579)

  5. Mark Levin just said “Ask the people of Paris if global warming is their number one problem.”

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  6. Let’s keep bringing in those moslems. The religion of pieces. America is not for moslems and they need to go.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  7. The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.

    The move comes after President Barack Obama pledged in September to admit an additional 10,000 Syrian refugees in 2016, torn by four years of civil war and disorder.

    The democrats are setting us up for slaughter. In France they declared a state of emergency which means martial law and the government takes over. Is that what the dems have in store for us once they get our guns?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  8. Elections have consequences: (Bill Curry, The Toronto Globe and Mail, 11/12/15)

    Trudeau to make economic case for taking in refugees at G20 summit

    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will use his first international trip as an opportunity to show other nations there is an economic – as well as humanitarian – case for welcoming large numbers of Syrian refugees. Less than two weeks after being sworn in as Prime Minister, Mr. Trudeau will participate in a summit of G20 leaders hosted by Turkey, Syria’s northern neighbour that is currently home to more than two million refugees.

    ropelight (f80579)

  9. Our man of the hour once again shows impeccable timing:

    Al Gore hosting climate telethon from Paris’ Eiffel Tower

    Got to get your priorities right. After all, these muslim “refugees” are said to be fleeing climate change ….

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  10. The reaction in every country will be to jack up Moslem immigration higher than ever. That’s what George W. Bush did after 9-11.

    DN (84d11d)

  11. With his usual perfect timing, Obama had declared today that ISIS is not getting stronger and has been contained. Tell that to the French.

    DRJ (15874d)

  12. 100 dead at the concert.

    DRJ (15874d)

  13. I wonder if in Paris there was a guy like me, posting on his favorite blogs, snacking on a sandwich and watching The Big Bang Theory. Next thing he hears on the TV his family was murdered at a concert by moslem barbarians who had no business being in Paris or France to begin with.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  14. Has France surrendered yet?

    nk (dbc370)

  15. 1625hr PST– Fox telling us that another explosion at a large Paris shopping mall….

    Earlier report that the death toll in the concert hall is 100. It is unclear just how accurate this count is. The Paris police had earlier assaulted the concert hall and killed at least 2 of the reported 3 terrorists there. [Obummer won’t say it, but I will: TERRORISTS.]

    Gramps (bc022b)

  16. nk, @14: i’m not sure today is the right day for that joke.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  17. It appears a California band called Eagles of Death Metal was performing at the concert. I’m not familiar with this band.

    DRJ (15874d)

  18. I heard at least 60 dead.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  19. #15, Gramps, why jump to conclusions? Until we have confirmation it’s not terrorism, it’s only alleged random foreign entertainment district violence.

    ropelight (f80579)

  20. It was disaffected youths.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. DRJ – they’re a hard rock band. Not my thing, although they’ve shown up at some festivals I’ve gone to. But I know a bunch of people who are really into them.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  22. @19… I’ll take the heat.. yellow feet, quacks, swims in water… It’s a duck.

    Gramps (bc022b)

  23. Estimates updated to up to 140 dead.

    Dejectedhead (ba8561)

  24. #22, that duck just might have his tongue firmly pushing against one side of his bill.

    ropelight (f80579)

  25. I certainly hope Obama wants to politicize it.

    Gerald A (949d7d)

  26. Where are Caitlyn Jenner and Michael Sam when you need them?

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  27. All American mushrooms should hold their horses and wait for Susan Rice to explain the root causes of this unfortunate mass murder. Perhaps some rednecks drove by in a pickup truck with a Confederate flag bumper sticker, or perhaps one encouraging the consumption of pork. All very understandable, we all know how emotional these jihadis get.

    ropelight (f80579)

  28. I wonder if the idiot kids in American colleges would find “safe spaces” in Paris tonight?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  29. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Well, the news as I am reading Allahpundit’s coverage at Hot Air is horrifying. The animals started executing people at the concert hall one by one and people were begging via texts for a police raid. I don’t want to quote developing reports about possible death tolls but the ones I am reading at Hot Air are absolutely horrible.

    For what it’s worth, the U.S. claimed today that it had killed Jihadi John, the ISIS scumbag with the British accent seen wielding a knife in many decapitation videos. In a statement that was unfortunate on several levels, Obama said that ISIS has been “contained” but that their leadership has not been “decapitated.” Really?

    Our prayers are with the people of Paris and France tonight.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  30. I’m sure a hunger strike will make everyone safer.

    Dejectedhead (ba8561)

  31. On second thought let me denounce myself. I shouldn’t have assumed the bloodthirsty murdering vermin are Muslim terrorists. The perps might well turn out to be angry Hottentots or aggrieved Laplanders, maybe even disgruntled Catalan separatists. Just because reports from bloody escapees from the Concert of Death claim the gunmen were shouting Allahu Ackbar doesn’t justify slandering the Religion of Peace.

    ropelight (f80579)

  32. I wish we could close our borders like France.

    mg (31009b)

  33. mg, it’s not clear that France *has* closed its borders – they don’t have fences with any of their neighbors, and the reports i’m seeing are that official closure or no, the belgian and german borders are operating as normal. that may change in a few hours, and yet.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  34. Obama said that ISIS has been “contained” but that their leadership has not been “decapitated.” Really?

    So it really never was about what he said a year ago: “We will degrade and destroy ISIL”…

    It was about “containment”. And clearly that hasn’t worked out so well.

    Dana (86e864)

  35. I was in France on 9/11/01. French people, hearing our voices, gave us their sympathies and their prayers. Tonight I return the favor. May God receive the souls of the dead and heal the wounded. May God turn the hearts of the followers of the religion of violence and death and bring them to new life.

    Katherine (de801b)

  36. I’m with Gramps. That’s a duck.

    so Lindsey Graham took about half a minute to reflect then jumped right in to say, (paraphrasing) If we don’t leave our borders wide open to Syrian refugees, then the terrorists have won.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  37. The time for France to have closed its borders was when it withdrew from its colonies, particularly Algeria, Moroccco, Syria and Lebanon. These terrorists could be second or third generation former colonials now French citizens.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. BBC reports French airlines, flights and trains continue to operate.

    ropelight (f80579)

  39. Our thoughts and prayers are with the murder victims and their families. Obama said earlier – I’ll paraphrase – that he didn’t want to speculate about the perpetrators of these attacks, but deep down, he had to be chafing at the bit to blame the evil Republicans and Fox News.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. I expect that the Resident will soon announce new border policy in the wake of Paris INCREASING the already tens of thousands of male fighting age Syrians he’s planning on importing.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  41. These attacks all took place at very different, public places where masses of people were gathered. Message sent loud and clear by the terrorists: no place is safe.

    Washington Post:

    Obama vows to bring those responsible for Paris attacks to justice

    Dana (86e864)

  42. Every time I hear some dope say if we don’t do this or that “the terrorists have won” I want to punch him. As long as they’re alive the terrorists have won. If we don’t kill them, they’ve won. They keep making excuses about moslems and the moslems laugh and laugh and kill some more of us. ON FOX they’re saying “We don’t know which organization the terrorists are from, ISIL, ISIS…”. Yes, we DO! ISLAM! That’s their “organization”.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  43. Apparently the French border isn’t closed and most transport is still running. Hollande seems to be backing off the idea of a closed border and us talking about border checks instead. Having been to that area, I have a hard time seeing how they have the ability to close the borders, other than checkpoints at various roads and railways.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. Hey nk, let’s not let this tragedy go to waste. It matters little how long ago France let the jihadists for Mohammod in country.

    Let’s just agree it was a mistake.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  45. Obama and his drones, Dana. He’s addicted to the power and anonymity.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. I started to count the number of “I”s, “me”s and “my”s during Teh Won’s bloviation, but soon found myself doubled over in full retch-mode.

    And Shepard Smith is a flaming tool.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. @39. That’s why I took up the task and said it. I know that Obummer is going to be busy working up a line of Bulls**t for Susan Rice to trot out with. It will be interesting to see if the “video” story has another lap left in it.

    Gramps, the original (bc022b)

  48. I’m gettin’ me and mine several of them “safe spaces”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. It’s ridiculously easy to close a border. You just plop a board across the road, and station a couple guys with badges and guns to make sure nobody moves the board.
    They do it in Mexico all the time.

    Mexico hell. They do it here all the time. Sobriety Alien check point.

    See how easy!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  50. Well, ok. But did you see my “disaffected youth” link in #20 above? And the two Charlie Hebdo shooters were born in Paris. France has been hiding its head in the sand about its homegrown Arab thugs for a long time.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. The Guardian is now reporting more than 150 dead, and five attackers dead but still not known if there are more of them.

    Dana (86e864)

  52. Right on, Gramps!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. “ISIS has been contained” is kind of true if he means “to this universe” otherwise not so much.

    I’m going to start carrying more magazines NOW.

    MY HEART BREAKS FOR THE PEOPLE OF Europe.

    WarEagle82 (a499d2)

  54. If only they had jobs, nk, right? Chuck Todd said on Hewitt this afternoon that the problem with Muslims in Paris was that “they have been ghettoized”, thus the unrest, etc. Unlike, he said Dearborn, where they are more assimilated. It caught my ear that twice he said that *they had been* ghettoized.

    Dana (86e864)

  55. I’m with you on that nk. They have Detroit style government housing blocks chocked full of terrorists in the Paris suburbs. Forcing Christian women to wear the hijab, maintaining police “no go” zones. Safe space for terrorists. The full regalia.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. A point about the timing
    Today is the first day of the month of Safar in the Islamic calendar.
    The Wikipedia article on Safar has this

    Safar (Arabic: صفر‎) is the second month in the Islamic calendar.

    Literal meaning: Empty. During this month the houses used to be empty and deserted[citation needed] because the ban on going to war in the month of Muharram came to an end and everyone proceeded towards the battlefield.

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  57. Further, about the timing: before the attacks today, there was an open discussion by German politicians, etc., about Angela Merkel’s future in light of her immigration policy, particularly re Syria. After the attacks, it was reported that she is “deeply shocked” by them. She never thought it would happen? Deeply horrified, of course. Deeply shocked, no. The writing has been on the wall for some time.

    Dana (86e864)

  58. The bright side is it make foodstamp look like a bigger fool than usual, per Patterico’s link.

    Ditto that for open border idiots like Lindsey Grahamnesty.

    The other silver lining to a major muslim terrorist attack in Paris, Al and the Gorites are going to find more pressing concerns keeping them away from the Climate Fraud convention COP21.
    Stealing money from the public treasury ain’t as much fun when they might be killed doing it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  59. I think we should ask the people of Paris if they agree that climate change is the greatest threat to mankind.

    JD (3b5483)

  60. According to one German, this is the first time — the admission of the migrants — that Merkel did not gauge and go along with the popular sentiment. Until this point, she was careful that her political will was the political will of the majority of Germans. She grew up in the East German Communist Party and she had all of this democracy scheiss she could take until she could take no more?

    nk (dbc370)

  61. “The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-u-s-centres-1.3308576

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. “The animals started executing people”

    That’s what Islam has always been.
    Islam is a rabid animal that should be put down.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  63. “The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.”

    We are so screwed.

    JD (3b5483)

  64. Angela Merkel was “deeply shocked”? How can someone be deeply shocked when moslems do exactly what they’ve been doing for 1800 years? How is that a “shock”? Every place these animals go they bring death and destruction. They’ve been that way since mohammad raped his first nine year old.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  65. Did Obama acknowledge that it was Islamic terrorists?

    JD (3b5483)

  66. According to this NBC story,

    A Europe 1 journalist who was in the concert hall said there were two or three unmasked attackers with automatic weapons. He said they “began to fire blindly in the crowd,” and the attack lasted at least 10 minutes.

    “Everybody ran to the stage, there were scenes of stampeding,” he said. “The assailants had time to reload at least three times.”
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/french-police-report-paris-shootout-explosion-n463186

    nk (dbc370)

  67. The bloody rampage in France does call to mind a fascinating look into human nature, particularly as it involves people in France but apparently anywhere. After the attacks on the offices of Charlie Hebdo at the start of this year (and also in Paris), opinion polls revealed that a large percentage of people instead of becoming increasingly hardened towards the meaning and specifics of Islamism actually became more, if you will, touch feely towards it.

    That response would be logical if the theology of Islam were similar to that of, say, Christianity, in which warriors in the name of Christ could be characterized as going against the very core of the religion itself (ie, Christ wasn’t a sword-toting warrior). But Mohammed of Islamic fame was the epitome of a warrior into revenge and diabolical plots, approving of ruthless treatment of his foes or enemies, even people who merely mocked him.

    Closer to home we have the phenomenon of Nidal-Hasan-ism in no less than the US military.

    The foolishness of human nature, from Islam to the enablers of Islam, etc, is the main culprit in all of this.

    Mark (74fce8)

  68. There is no reason for any moslem to be in the United States. Our Judeo-Christian Republic is incompatible and diametrically opposed to their Islamic Theocratic Dictatorship. The only reason a moslem should ever be here is on visit to see the art, beauty, hear the music and experience the technology his primitive sand box is incapable of producing. Then go home.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  69. Did Obama acknowledge that it was Islamic terrorists?

    No, JD, he didn’t.

    Dana (86e864)

  70. When strong, aggressive barbarians conquer a weak, decadent civilization, they both benefit. The conquerors get the science, art and higher standard of living of the conquered; the conquered get the genetic material of the conquerors.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. “The Obama administration is moving to increase and accelerate the number of Syrian refugees who might be admitted into the United States by opening new screening outposts in Iraq and Lebanon, administration officials told Reuters on Friday.”

    I’m not a smart man. It’s just Obama is consistently that evil.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  72. the conquered get the genetic material of the conquerors.

    That’s assuming such people (meaning dopes like Barry, Hillary, Al, etc, etc) don’t eventually vote with their feet and the moving van, happily leaving behind a big mess for others to clean up.

    Mark (74fce8)

  73. Jd-

    No. He said that would be “speculation”. What a complete a-hole this turd of a president is.

    Bugg (fa64ec)

  74. “…comely females of the conquered get the genetic material of the conquerors, the conquered male population is subjugated and either exterminated, enslaved, or castrated.

    ropelight (f80579)

  75. Sure, but the next generation are half-breeds and will pass down both lines. France is like that. It’s Celt, Roman, Frank (Germanic barbarian), and Norman (semi-civilized Viking), with the occasional Anglo-Saxon and modern German.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. President Obama announced he doesn’t want to speculate until the facts are known, however no matter what specifics may eventually come to light the nation can rest assured he fully intends to lead from behind the skirts of women, as usual.

    ropelight (f80579)

  77. Funny how the president is unwilling to speculate about who was responsible for tonight’s attacks until French officials investigate, yet has he been more than willing to speculate, and even assign blame here in the states before any investigation takes place. He jumps right, and is more than willing to provide the media the necessary narratiive to run with.

    Dana (86e864)

  78. barack h. obama proclaims “we have contained them” and gets a taste of a French tickler in return.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  79. There’s a saying that a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.

    But in the case of the kook in the Oval Office, he could have been a victim of today’s attack, yet he’d come back from the dead proclaiming the perpetrators weren’t necessarily Islamic or had yet to be identified.

    Mark (74fce8)

  80. Hollande and Obama have been singing in unison in regard to ISIS. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/france-launches-first-airstrikes-isis-syria With the same feckless ambivalence. Hollande wants Assad out of Syria and the enemy of Assad is his friend, but he also recognizes the threat of ISIS and has to respond to terrorist attacks on French soil.

    nk (dbc370)

  81. Religion of Peace.

    Keep repeating and eventually you delude yourself into it being true.

    Just like racism, keep repeating and you think it real.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  82. Ted Cruz only candidate responding to Paris atracks daring to say that which the White House won’t: America must stand with our allies against the scourge of radical Islamic terrorism

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/presidential-candidates-respond-2/

    Dana (86e864)

  83. cockroaches

    happyfeet (831175)

  84. The Battle of Garland, Texas was the turning point for me. I bought several firearms, got training, got my CCW, and started going to the range regularly.

    I carry all the time now.

    I suggest everyone who hasn’t prepared for this get ready now.

    Our government is as stupid as the German and French governments. They are intent on bringing these savages here to unleash terror on Americans.

    It will be up to each of us to protect ourselves and each other from these 7th century troglodytes.

    My heart goes out to the people of Europe tonight but they voted in the turn-coats that have allowed this to happen.

    I hope this is a wake-up call for us here so that we can avoid the worst of what Europe is only beginning to experience.

    WarEagle82 (44dbd0)

  85. Western governments had no reason to commit suicide. The economic benefit of importing welfare cases to boost domestic business was very obviously not plausible. The only explanation without resort to a spiritual Adversary is genetic rot.

    DNF (755a85)

  86. Importing welfare cases was only tangentially about boosting the availability of low wage labor, it was always about importing reliable votes for leftist candidates and sticking taxpayers for the tab.

    ropelight (f80579)

  87. Terrorism is the Democrat Party’s campaign platform.

    ropelight (f80579)

  88. There is apparently news from several sources that intelligence officials were expecting an attack as of a month ago the sofrep site has some details, as did an official interviewed on france 24.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  89. On a night like tonight, it is especially important to remind ourselves that the real threat is global warming.

    ThOR (a52560)

  90. It’s not “resorting” if it is true…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly, and out and about) (deca84)

  91. PARIS (AP) —

    A Paris webcast of an all-star marathon event about climate change was suspended after the deadly attacks in that city Friday night.

    More than 135 people have been killed in a series of shootings and explosions across the city.

    Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore was due to host the 24-hour live webcast from the foot of the Eiffel Tower to drum up attention for this month’s international climate summit in Paris…

    ropelight (f80579)

  92. A Paris webcast of an all-star marathon event about climate change was suspended

    Even in tragedy there’s a silver lining.

    Mark (f713e4)

  93. Climate change: a foolish contrivance of the left where the science is not yet settled and yet is the religion of the day, and the supposed ‘biggest danger the world faces today.’ Deniers are anti-science blasphemers preferring to keep their heads in the sand.

    Radical Islamist terrorism: a proven brutal reality threatening the modern world. Those that believe that this, not climate change, is the biggest threat we face today, are guilty of attacking the religion of peace, and the marginalization of a group of people because of our own conscious or unconscious biases.

    Dana (86e864)

  94. I thought the millionaire negro club was setting up safe spaces away from attention.

    That they didn’t want reporters hearing how much they hate whity, and the like?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  95. Climate change is the opiate of superstitious and quarrelsome philistines.

    ropelight (f80579)

  96. AR-15s are all about safe spaces.

    ThOR (a52560)

  97. When the shooting starts it only matters what you have in your pocket, not what’s at home.

    ropelight (f80579)

  98. Well, seeing as the Fed won’t let me carry while at work… I could run them over, but then I’d have all this paperwork to do. How I got a crack in the bumper and why there’s goat fur all over the interstate.

    John Hitchcock (7cfbe4)

  99. when moslems do exactly what they’ve been doing for 1800 years

    Well, 1400 years perhaps.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  100. This had better start a wave of rounding up all mooslums and sending them back to their sand dune condos. Trump should have some interesting comments soon. Can’t wait.

    mg (31009b)

  101. Hey Yebby is this the act of love you cherish? you pos.
    This should pretty much clear the way for Cruz or Trump as the rest of the clowns want these people to be your neighbor.
    Mooslums have to be deported. Pronto. Sell the land the mosques sit on, hell maybe have Planned Parenthood depart these ingrates organs for cash.
    Daisy Cut the sand out from underneath these savages.

    mg (31009b)

  102. All mosques in the United States should be burned.
    And the United Nations should be moved out of America.

    mg (31009b)

  103. First things first: Impeach Obama, indict Hillary and her accomplices, stop all in-migration, require picture ID to vote and triple penalties for election fraud, kick University of Missouri out of the SEC.

    ropelight (d3fa82)

  104. And kill all the hairdressers.

    nk (dbc370)

  105. Sounds like ropelight is running for office.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  106. Salon: Paris jihad massacre shows that “right-wing” needs to “moderate their rhetoric” Robert Spencer 11/14/15

    The American Left is beyond parody. Apparently Salon would have us believe that the Paris jihad massacre happened because “the right wing media” criticized the Black Lives Matter movement. Islamic jihad? Warfare against unbelievers? The Islamic State’s stated imperative to murder French civilians? Only greasy Islamophobes take such things seriously: everyone knows Fox News and Ben Carson are the real culprits!

    “And so the hate speech begins: Let Paris be the end of the right’s violent language toward activists,” by Chauncey DeVega, Salon, November 13, 2015:

    In a still developing situation, the city of Paris, France, is under attack by terrorists armed with guns and explosives. Many dozens of people have been killed. A still undetermined number of people have been wounded. The terrorists took dozens of hostages in a concert hall. French police and military forces have been deployed. There is mayhem and blood in the streets of Paris….

    In the United States, the right-wing media and movement conservatives have for decades consistently used eliminationist and other violent rhetoric to describe liberals, progressives and other people with whom they disagree. As was seen in the recent attacks on a Charleston-area black church, and other violence by right-wing anti-government militias, such rhetoric does not float in the ether of the public discourse, harmless and unacknowledged. No, it does in fact lead to action.

    In recent months, the right-wing media has used language such as “terrorism” and “violent,” or that the latter is “targeting police for murder” to describe the Black Lives Matter movement. Such bombastic and ugly screeds–which are wholly unfounded, with no basis in empirical reality–have also been used by right-wing opinion leaders to describe the African-American students who are fighting against racism at Yale and the University of Missouri….

    Real terrorists have killed people in the streets of Paris. The right-wing media needs to take note of that fact and moderate their rhetoric and abusive language accordingly.

    Given the American right-wing’s casual habit of using violent language to describe their foes, and to gin up fear and anxiety among the movement conservative base, the Fox News’ right-wing echo chamber and its elites should be ashamed given the death and destruction that terrorism actually reaps in practice.

    ropelight (d3fa82)

  107. Sounds like ropelight is running for office.

    Been there, done that, did my part: won one and lost one. I’m retired now. Seeking elected office is a labor best left to the younger men.

    ropelight (d3fa82)

  108. #107 Leftism is a mental disease.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  109. Salon. lol

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Piers Morgan:
    These murderers aren’t refugees. Nor are they real Muslims. They’re terrorists who’ve hijacked a religion for nefarious gain.

    David Burge:
    ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PhD in Islamic theology from Islamic U of Baghdad. What are your credentials?

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/11/nibsology.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. Iowahawk: 2 Unemployed TV Guy: 0

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  112. Sometimes being hit with reality like a 2×4 doesn’t teach a lesson.

    Interesting how all of what the media and entertainment industry say is considered free speech and free of harmful consequences,
    but if conservatives say something it is “dangerous rhetoric”.

    It ought to be really easy making video messages of leftist accusations being demonstrated by leftists.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  113. It’s difficult for leftists to see beyond the end of their noses while they’ve got their heads up each other’s asses.

    ropelight (d3fa82)

  114. After the Oklahoma City bombing, Bush 41 accused the NRA and its executive director, Wayne LaPierre, of inciting it. By name.

    And I can tell you why. Initially, the suspicion was on Muslims. There was a person requiring a higher f-stop reported running away from the truck. Read-My-Lips did not want the blame on him because of Gulf I or on his oil emirate buddies.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. I always carry at least three knives. Two are just tools. A tiny Swiss Army money clip knife and a Case Stockman pocket knife. Err, I think it’s the Stockman. It’s got the bone scales and three blades; spey, sheepsfoot, and clip.

    But always at least one Skean Dubh. What the Scots call the black knife. A hide out weapon.

    Just so if some a-hole decides to play god, I can remind him
    that even hangmen die.

    Big talk, I know. Bushido teaches that you aren’t prepared to be brave from the back of your war horse if you’re not ready to be brave on the tatami mat. On the battlefield, in your own home, you just never know. Maybe in a theater. You have to be ready all the time because the moment can come any time.

    My thoughts and my prayers are with the people of Paris. And I’ll work just a little harder on the heavy bag.

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  116. Steve57. In Michigan, you may not carry a double-edged knife,even if licensed to carry a pistol. Go figure. So the former jarheads have K-Bars, and the snake-eater wannabes have Fairbairns, and the guys with too much money have Gerbers, and none are legal to carry.
    So I guess a camp knife or something, single-edge. Then there’s the question of concealed. The governments really make it tough to be prepared.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  117. A skean-dubh is single-edged and it’s probably the best profile for a knife blade. My favorite pocket knife, a Gerber Bolt Action, is basically a folding skean-du. Here’s a homemade one from a broken scissors: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BPfMsBhpr6o/TCobDaO2sEI/AAAAAAAAAZU/Nc7kfXyAINA/s320/knife+from+scissors.jpg

    nk (dbc370)

  118. Salon: Paris jihad massacre shows that “right-wing” needs to “moderate their rhetoric” Robert Spencer 11/14/15

    Piers Morgan: These murderers aren’t refugees. Nor are they real Muslims. They’re terrorists who’ve hijacked a religion for nefarious gain.

    David Burge: ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has a PhD in Islamic theology from Islamic U of Baghdad. What are your credentials?

    One fascinating aspect of Spencer is the way he illustrates that sectors of our economy are like zombies. IOW, the fact that Salon.com still exists and manages to hang on year after year, and have champagne socialists clinging to it, is a sign of the Night of the Living Dead.

    I’m fairly certain that Morgan wouldn’t be rationalizing away the culpability of Christianity if a fanatic had done something ruthless in the name of Christ. Although Morgan may be such a dope he is totally unaware of just how vengeful and bloodthirsty the founder of Islam truly was. In that regard, Morgan may be no worse than George Bush Jr and his “religion of peace” comment back in 2001.

    As for David Burge, is he implying that college credentials absolve a person of being diabolical and murderous? He certainly is the type who’ll claim that a lack of enough welfare, subsidized housing, pleasant free healthcare and underfunded urban schooling absolves a person of leading a life of crime.

    Yep, per Rodney King’s Spirit at #109, liberalism very much is — it truly is! — a form of mental illness.

    Mark (f713e4)

  119. Mark… my good man… GET A CLUE!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. David Burge, is he implying that college credentials absolve a person of being diabolical and murderous?

    Pretty sure he meant that the leader of ISIS, having a doctorate in Muslim from a Muslim university in Baghdad, knows a bit more about what constitutes a real muslim and real islamic thinking than a defunct pommy reporter.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  121. Hmmm, overheard John Kerry on TV talking about something called “DASH” in Syria…
    maybe it really means something, and someone can edumacate me…
    but I’m thinking what ever it is is like calling “ISIS” “ISIL”, IOW, the admin thinks they can show they are smarter than the rest of us by using different terms

    Speaking of “ISIS”, have you seen the picture of Reagan with the caption, “If I was still president, “ISIS” would be “WASWAS”…

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  122. Same as the admin calling Al Qaeda the “K-whatever Group”

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  123. “It’s difficult for leftists to see beyond the end of their noses while they’ve got their heads up each other’s asses.”

    Yes, when they’re not attending their race-baiting rallies, whine fests and nose-to-tail fund raisers.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  124. I think it’s DAESH or something like that… what the afghanis call them. Kerry’s just trying to show people that he’s in-the-know, he’s smaht… not dumb, like people say.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  125. Mr. Aubrey, we have the same restriction in Tejas. Which is why what I refer to as my Skean Dubhs are all single edged. And, indeed sir, some of the original Scots’ knives were as well.

    Actually, we have classes of knives such as illegal and prohibited. One being something you can own but not carry in public, like I can have an 8 inch chef’s knife but can’t walk around with it stuck in my belt, the other being something you can’t possess under any circumstance. I won’t go into it, as that might infer legal advice which I am not qualified to give. But I am pleased to note that the Texas legislature has removed the language from the Penal Code which made me wary of carrying my beloved Gerber folding knife in case the authorities would classify it as a gravity or switch blade knife.

    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

    As an aside, I was remiss a couple of months back not to remind everyone of Saragarhi Day. It’s commemorated on September 12th.

    The Battle of Saragarhi is sometimes referred to as a battle over a fort. But Saragarhi wasn’t a fort but a heliograph outpost between two forts, that repeated signals between the two since they were out of line of sight on to the other.

    It was manned by 21 Sikhs, who one day were attacked by 10,000 Afghan tribesmen. That one day would have been 12 September 1897. They heliographed their British commander that they were under attack, and the commander signaled back he couldn’t send a relief force at that time. So the Sikhs casually decided to fight to the last man. Which they did, but in dying they took out so many of the Afghans that the attackers proceeded no further. They were so tied up at that one miserable signal outpost for so long that the Brits had time to muster a force to push them back.

    Even the Afghans had to admit those 21 Sikhs had killed hundreds of their own men. But they only admitted to, if I remember correctly, losing 180 which was a lie, those Sikhs had killed more than that.

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Battle_of_Saragarhi

    …In their Memory

    The tablet reads;

    “The Government of India have caused this tablet to be erected to the memory of the twenty one non-commissioned officers and men of the 36 Sikh Regiment of the Bengal Infantry whose names are engraved below as a perpetual record of the heroism shown by these gallant soldiers who died at their posts in the defence of the fort of Saragarhi, on the 12 September 1897, fighting against overwhelming numbers, thus proving their loyalty and devotion to their sovereign, the Queen Empress of India, and gloriously maintaining the reputation of the Sikhs for unflinching courage on the field of battle.”

    165 Havildar Ishar Singh
    332 Naik Lal Singh
    834 Sepoy Narayan Singh
    546 Lance Naik Chanda Singh
    814 Sepoy Gurmukh Singh
    1321 Sepoy Sundar Singh
    871 Sepoy Jivan Singh
    287 Sepoy Ram Singh
    1733 Sepoy Gurmukh Singh
    492 Sepoy Uttar Singh
    163 Sepoy Ram Singh
    182 Sepoy Sahib Singh
    1257 Sepoy Bhagwan Singh
    359 Sepoy Hira Singh
    1265 Sepoy Bhagwan Singh
    687 Sepoy Daya Singh
    1556 Sepoy Buta Singh
    760 Sepoy Jivan Singh
    1651 Sepoy Jivan Singh
    791 Sepoy Bhola Singh
    1221 Sepoy Nand Singh

    Record from “The London Gazette” published in 1898

    Publication date: 11 February 1898 Issue: 26937 Page: 863

    Quote from “The London Gazette”…

    4. The Commander-in-Chief deeply regrets the loss of the garrison of Saragarhi, a post held by 21 men of the 36th Sikhs and wishes to record his admiration of the heroism shown by these gallant soldiers. Fighting against overwhelming numbers they died at their post , thus proving their loyalty and devotion to their Sovereign while upholding to the last the traditional bravery of the Sikh nation.

    They lived every day as if it were their last. One day it was. And they faced it head on.

    What more can you ask?

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  126. Greetings:

    I usually get a bit of my TV news from the France24 English-language programming. As of this posting, they have begun to bad-mouth the “far-right” Front National (of Marie LaPen’s leadership) for restating what they have been stating for more than several years. There doesn’t seem to be much of a recognition that les Francais have been, again, hoisted on their own human rights petard.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  127. Obama chooses not to understand ISIS.

    Yesterday his administration bragged that they killed one bad guy with “no collateral damage” incurred. One man. ISIS then proceeded to slaughter 120 innocent people, all collateral damage, on the same day.

    Who is fighting here, who is winning?

    Patricia (5fc097)

  128. I thought France was already at war with Islamic radicals. Standing with Charlie Hebdo and the like.

    I guess for President Hollande “We are at war.” means they won’t hold it against American tourists when they take matters into their own hands, stopping train attacks.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  129. 21 against 10,000. It was one of the most if not the most heroic last stands in recorded history.

    Not to take away from those magnificent Sikhs, as if I could, but I’m sure a lot of heroic last stands were never recorded.

    My Skean Dubh is there, should I have to make mine. I doubt it will be recorded, or heroic. But it will be mine. Excuse me now, I have to exercise with the sledge hammer.

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  130. 128. Obama chooses not to understand ISIS.

    Yesterday his administration bragged that they killed one bad guy with “no collateral damage” incurred. One man. ISIS then proceeded to slaughter 120 innocent people, all collateral damage, on the same day.

    Who is fighting here, who is winning?

    Patricia (5fc097) — 11/14/2015 @ 9:08 am

    I was struck by the caveats yesterday about how the USG knew the target was “Jihadi John” when they took the shot, they couldn’t be sure they killed him. Why? Because they had no military or intel assets on the ground.

    I’m left thinking, “ISIS has plenty of both here.”

    This administration is h3llbent on conceding advantages to our enemies.

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  131. Jeezus, a few overhead casts and a dozen barbarian squats with the 10lb sledge and I’m done for the day. Sure hope I don’t have to take out ISIS with my Skean Dubh. At least, not until an hour after I have lunch.

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  132. Mark… my good man… GET A CLUE!

    Pretty sure he meant that the leader of ISIS,

    My bad. I sort of recognized Burge’s name (now recalling it associated with the graphic of a guy with a goofy big tobacco pipe but also ideologically sane), but merged him with those two other names clearly attached to liberal fools.

    Mark (74fce8)

  133. steve57. See John Masters’ Bugles and A Tiger, about his time in the pre-war Gurkhas. The Damdil Piquet. He thought a lot of the Gurkhas.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  134. Done, Mr. Aubrey. Added to my Christmas reading list.

    Steve57 (bcaa38)

  135. Definitely a terrible situation.

    Also, now, Trump will be the next President. And so will Marine Le Pen. And Geert Wilders. And let’s not forget the recent elections in Poland and even in Croatia.

    It is a whole new world.

    Times are changing (9cd0a2)

  136. I keep reading little bits and pieces about a ship that dropped Syrian “refugees” in New Orleans yesterday. Has anyone heard this?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  137. Hoagie http://www.nola.com reports the following: (excerpt including text of Jindal’s letter to Obama asking for information)

    …Under pressure from the United Nations to aid in the refugee crisis, Obama instructed his administration in September to accept at least 10,000 Syrians over the next fiscal year starting in October. Over the past year, the United States has received fewer than 2,000 Syrians, according to the New York Times.

    To protect U.S. citizens, Jindal requested more information about the refugees being placed in Louisiana. His questions included: “What level of background screening was conducted prior to entry in the United States?” and “What degree of monitoring will be sustained after initial placement in Louisiana?”

    Refugees seeking resettlement in the United States must go through an extensive screening process to ensure they do not pose a security threat to the country, according to the U.S. Department of State.

    Before resettlement, the State Department compiles the refugee’s personal and background information and submits it to the Department of Homeland Security. A Homeland Security officer then conducts an in-depth, in-person interview with the refugee outside the United States to determine whether they meet the necessary criteria.

    Refugees must also undergo a medical screening before their applications for resettlement can be approved.

    Here’s the full text of Jindal’s letter:

    Dear President Obama,

    In the wake of another round of appalling terrorist attacks, I write to express great sadness at the events in Paris, as well as my grave concern about the unreported diffusion of Syrian refugees in the United States.

    Last week, the city of New Orleans began receiving its first wave of Syrian refugees. As with former immigration crises and federal relocation policy, Louisiana has been kept in the dark about those seeking refuge in the state. It is irresponsible and severely disconcerting to place individuals, who may have ties to ISIS, in a state without the state’s knowledge or involvement.

    As Governor of Louisiana, I demand information about the Syrian refugees being placed in Louisiana in hopes that the night of horror in Paris is not duplicated here. In the wake of these atrocities, I also ask for details on the below:

    What level of background screening was conducted prior to entry in the United States?
    In light of the fact that some of those responsible for last night’s attacks held Syrian passports, what additional protections and screenings will be put in place?
    Will all Syrian refugees seeking relocation in the United States now be cleared by the Terrorist Screening Center?
    What degree of monitoring will be sustained after initial placement in Louisiana?
    As Americans, we embolden freedom and opportunity to the rest of the world, but by opening up our borders and refusing to collaborate or share information with states, you are threatening that reality.

    Mr. President, in light of these attacks on Paris and reports that one of the attackers was a refugee from Syria, it would be prudent to pause the process of refugees coming to the United States. Authorities need to investigate what happened in Europe before this problem comes to the United States.

    Sincerely,

    Governor Bobby Jindal

    ropelight (d7c80f)

  138. 122. MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84) — 11/14/2015 @ 8:36 am

    Hmmm, overheard John Kerry on TV talking about something called “DASH” in Syria…
    maybe it really means something, and someone can edumacate me…

    That’s Daesh. The acronym for the actual Arabic name of Islamic state/ISIS/ISIL. ISIS doesn’t like it. Acronyms are not often used in Arabic and it has a meaning of something like “destructive force.”

    It is used throughout the Middle East. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu uses it too. At least Kerry was able to get permission from Barack Obama not to say ISIL.

    Same as the admin calling Al Qaeda the “K-whatever Group”

    That’s the Khorasan Group. A network operating out of Syria. It was the al Qaeda code name for them, I think. This attack, especially because of the simultaneity of it, looked to me more like the work of Original al Qaeda ® ™ but they are supposed to have been mostly or entirely destroyed.

    The United States distinguished in Syria between the Khorasan Group and official Al Qaeda in Syria, although they were part of al Qaeda, just geared to acts abroad and not in Syria.

    Official Al Qaeda in Syria is known as al Nusra and has sometimes worked with and sometimes fought against ISIS. And sometimes fought with a group, organized by Saudi Arabia, that the United States has decided it has to help because the people we are for are too small. The United States thought they would stay neutral with regard to U.S. backed forces. Some officers the U.S. trained met wih al Nusra to try to work things out with them but they got taken captive and al Nusra also attacked a small grou of about 30 men the U,S, has trained and sent into Syria. A leader maybe based in Turkey called in an airstrike and the Nusra attack group was wiped out but the U.S. trained soldiers had to leave Syria.

    Then the U.S. got the idea of embedding the people they trained with the most acceptable group and using them to call in airstrikes. So there were 5 and then 9 of them in Syria.

    There is a group the United states is closest to – these are rebels that don’t call for an Islamic government, but they too at times have worked with al Nusra. There was a grand coalition “Army of Conquest” which Russia decided to attack because they endangered their bases in Syria.

    Official U.S. policy is still a negotiated settlement in Syria that gets rid of Assad, after a few months, if not immmediately.

    The basis for attributing this attack in Paris to ISIS seems to be that the claim of responsibility seems to have been done by the same people who claimed responsibility for some other “big” things believed to be connected to ISIS. This does not include the destruction of the Russian plane, which was different. The people who claimed responsibility claimed there were 8 attackers, as early news reports said, but I think they news reports are saying seven, so that might mean they might not really be too close to the planners.

    Sammy Finkelman (0a978b)

  139. 138. Pretty soon Feds on the hoof will be disappeared in their twos and threes.

    DNF (755a85)


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