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8/25/2015

Donald Trump To Jorge Ramos: You’re Fired!

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:12 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Jorge Ramos, Univision news anchor, found himself unceremoniously escorted out of Donald Trump’s press conference today because he would not stop badgering Trump, even though Trump hadn’t called on him:

As Trump took the podium, Ramos stood up and asked Trump a question about immigration, and Trump’s immigration plan. Trump, ignoring Ramos, called on someone else. Ramos continued trying to asking the question, to which Trump responded, “Excuse me, sit down. You weren’t called.” Ramos continued, and Trump repeatedly told him, “Sit down.”

Ramos then protested, “I have the right to ask a question.” Trump answered, “No you don’t. You haven’t been called.” Ramos again said that he has the right to ask a question, to which Trump retorted, “Go back to Univision.”

Ramos continued to press on, at one point stating “You cannot deport 11 million people” as Trump tried to take other questions.

Eventually, a man came over and escorted Ramos out of the event as Ramos continued to try to ask his question and Trump told him to sit down because he hadn’t been called on. As Ramos was being removed from the question he said, “Don’t touch me, sir. You cannot touch me.”

Apparently, Ramos returned to the conference later and was able to ask Trump questions.

I heard a couple of pundits on the news aghast at the lack of presidential decorum shown by Trump at the presser. Clueless that they are, this I-don’t-care-who-you-are attitude and refusal to subordinate himself to the GOP elites and media is precisely why he is ahead in the polls. They are totally unprepared to handle a problem like Trump. And that’s a fun thing to see.

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: OK, this is good:

151 Responses to “Donald Trump To Jorge Ramos: You’re Fired!”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. I have now watched pretty much the whole press conference. It’s entertaining.

    He says he’s still all over Megyn Kelly because when people offend him, he doesn’t like to let them forget it.

    That’s the guy I want in charge of the the IRS!

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  3. I thought Toby Miles was in charge of the IRS.

    Dejectedhead (ba8561)

  4. I know the media is against Trump. If the rino party tries to expel him from the primary they’ve lost me. hillary, biden, fauxohautus, sanders can win for all I care. I just want an honest election, not one run by losers like boner, hatch, mcconnell, lott, mccain, etc, etc. stc… I’ve had enough of them.

    Jim (b6b06c)

  5. Shouldn’t we all want a guy who will stand up to the grandees of the party machines and their acolytes in the press? I almost felt sorry for Ramos; he was so outclassed by one of the least classy guys in politics. How far we have fallen!

    I was never quite certain what “reverse othering” was, until The Donald schooled us all. If the Ramoses of the world keep it up, maybe we will see Trump in the White House.

    Could we have a thread on Jeb’s Yellow Peril thesis?

    ThOR (a52560)

  6. Jim, what is conservative about Trump? For that matter, what is Republican about him except that he purports to be running in the Republican primary?

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Really Patterico, so because private citizen Trump wants to keep needling Princess Megyn, that suggests he would use the IRS against citizens that annoy him? That’s weak in my estimation.

    Nothing Trump has said over the past two months gives me the slightest inkling that he believes in behavior of that sort.

    I wish he’d drop the Kelly feud because its a meaningless distraction, but frankly at this point Megyn Kelly can fight her own battles. She began the first GOP debate with a stupid question and she’ll get no sympathy from me.

    Mark Johnson (a64489)

  8. I posted this without realizing Patterico had already posted about Trump and Ramos. Please make sure you read his post below this one as he bring his own perspective to the story and finds himself yet once again defending Trump.

    Dana (86e864)

  9. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: OK, this is good:

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  10. Really Patterico, so because private citizen Trump wants to keep needling Princess Megyn, that suggests he would use the IRS against citizens that annoy him? That’s weak in my estimation.

    He came right out and admitted he holds grudges. That’s the type of person who is dangerous when they get power.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  11. “Real conservatives” will turn on literally ANYONE the second they find an even “tougher” guy to set up as their desired strongman. Some people are so desperate to be followers that they suck up to anyone with bluster.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  12. Whats conservative about the republican party?
    Absolutely Zero.
    Trump gets my ear when he talks about leveling the playing field with the chicoms.

    mg (31009b)

  13. I probably would not vote for Trump, but I would love to go to one of his rallies or pressers.

    Send a message, LOL!

    Patricia (5fc097)

  14. ramos shout get some asians and track down the jebster.

    mg (31009b)

  15. should

    mg (31009b)

  16. I like the way your mind works, Patricia.

    mg (31009b)

  17. I’m planning on voting for him whatever he runs as. He could not possibly be worse than TFG, he knows how to delegate and if it is an establishment Bush/Clinton type race, the result would be a continuation of Washington elites. Something might emerge from the wreckage of the RINO party. Or it won’t. I may have 3 more election cycles if I am lucky, and we a re pretty self sufficient, so we would get through.

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  18. Here is my prediction concerning Trump and the MSM: They will come to love him in a J.R. Ewing kind of way.

    Sure, they don’t like him now, but I can tell that they will soon realize that covering him will be the exact opposite of dealing with the likes of all other candidates and politicians. And therefor not only refreshing, but strangely satisfying. He will make them remember what doing real journalism is like and they will rise to the challenge. I am beginning to doubt in the predictions of his early flame-out.

    My wish is to see Cruz or Walker as the nominee, but I will not be aghast if the Donald hangs on to the bitter end.

    Do I believe in the “Trump?” No, but I do believe that Clothes make the man.

    felipe (56556d)

  19. There is nothing real or conservative about Trump.

    JD (3b5483)

  20. I am beginning to doubt in the predictions of his early flame-out.

    What, exactly, is going to suddenly make him less popular?

    When people find out he’s basically a Democrat? Old news.

    When people find out he has employed illegals? Old news.

    When he acts like a petty ass day after day? Old news.

    So how, exactly, is it that all these experts are so convinced he is going to fade?

    Is it going to happen when the media starts treating him like a serious candidate?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  21. I’m planning on voting for him whatever he runs as.

    Wow.

    What’s wrong with Cruz? Not enough of an asshole for you?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  22. Trump’s pandering (to his base) is perfect. He will be adored by the masses as a new Houdini until he receives that fatal punch to the gut.

    felipe (56556d)

  23. He is the dingleberry on the underpants of American politics.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. Patterico (3cc0c1) — 8/25/2015 @ 8:33 pm

    Word!

    I have no idea what form the “gut punch” will take. The Truth? Naw.

    felipe (56556d)

  25. He’ll flame out if and when he is asked serious policy questions. The quintessential narcissist he is, the only topic he is fluent in is Trump. Keep up the Kelly/Ramos/etc. personal attacks and he will own the debate.

    ThOR (a52560)

  26. Wow.

    What’s wrong with Cruz? Not enough of an asshole for you?

    I love me some Cruz. But as the Tea Party fave the establishment will mostly work there hardest for him not to get the nomination. I think he is handling himself well. I said right here on another thread that Cruz should be Trump’s veep because if he turns it around he would be a shoo-in for next Prez. Maybe even after four years if Trump finds something else shiny that he wants.

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  27. Oops, “their”

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  28. Trump is the only one threatening to run against the Republicans. That alone makes him a “RINO” to anyone who cares about the meanings of things.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. Everyone, here at PP, knows that, Kevin M.

    felipe (56556d)

  30. He’ll flame out if and when he is asked serious policy questions

    As if the people supporting him care about those.

    Their answers to policy questions are: deport ’em, screw ’em and nuke ’em.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. I am not sure how many Journolists could resist the urge to ask an inane question long enough to ask a serious policy question. My guess? None. How many has TFG gotten, lately?

    felipe (56556d)

  32. I must be in complete denial, because I can’t for the life of me take Trump seriously as a contender for the presidency. It’s like a nutty reality show or something. Behavior like his would plummet the numbers of any other candidate. Is it the cult of celebrity and his brashness that keeps him steady in the lead?

    Dana (86e864)

  33. Is it the cult of celebrity and his brashness that keeps him steady in the lead?
    Dana (86e864) — 8/25/2015 @ 9:03 pm

    In a word: Yes.

    felipe (56556d)

  34. Trump’s a chump for not banishing that little chancro culo Jorge Ramos for good.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. Hectoring doesn’t work. So? More hectoring!

    There are among us here at Patterico.com many who are both serious and support Trump. Switch the topic to something other than Trump, and you’ll see that support evaporate. If you continue to play to his strength, all bets are off. Could we please learn from our mistakes?

    ThOR (a52560)

  36. I agree that his supporters probably don’t care about policy political realities. They just want to see action, big action right now. Fix it, build it, do something, Particulars don’t matter, just think big and act big.

    I heard Hugh Hewitt discuss how the rules have changed now with Trump on the scene. And I think he’s right. Trump caught everyone off guard. Now he’s here, making the loudest noise, determining the next public conversation and making other candidates have to work hard to be heard, and even harder to break through the Trump noise. I think serious voters will look to serious candidates. Angry and frustrated candidates will react emotionally with their support and their votes….to and for Trump.

    Dana (86e864)

  37. I feel you, ThOR. I would like to read more posts about the guys I like, but I don’t think ignoring Trump is much of a service to his supporters or his detractors.

    felipe (56556d)

  38. He doesn’t even have to deport the 11M, a number I sharply disagree with. That is red meat for the masses. Just secure the border and enforce our current laws (E verify, jail time for employers) and cut off all benefits. They will self-deport. As he says all the gangs will have to go. Sheriff Babeu of Pinal Co says that cartels control several mountain tops just 30 miles from Phoenix. Just take them out.
    In reality our border is very tightly controlled. No-0ne gets into the USA without paying someone on the other side.

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  39. Too bad the republicans don’t have someone with enough guile to counter Trump.

    mg (31009b)

  40. One can not blame Trump for the republican parties extremely low i.q.

    mg (31009b)

  41. I think serious voters will look to serious candidates.

    And with that you join the establishment in insulting the very voters you may need if Trump flames out. Ms Graham did that today. Trump pointed out that she only scored 4% in her home state as opposed to Trump at 30%. Trump did acknowledge that it was better than her 0% showing nationwide.

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  42. I’m thinking the democrats could run water and win in 2016.

    mg (31009b)

  43. Hectoring doesn’t work. So? More hectoring!

    There are among us here at Patterico.com many who are both serious and support Trump. Switch the topic to something other than Trump, and you’ll see that support evaporate. If you continue to play to his strength, all bets are off. Could we please learn from our mistakes?

    I do not understand this comment. Can you please speak to me in very simple terms, as if I were a Donald Trump supporter?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  44. (Hey, I’m just being a complete asshole like Trump is. That should gain my views support, no?)

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  45. For years I have endured lecture after lecture from my Republican betters that we must chase after any and all Democratic constituencies if we are to become the dominant party. Trump shows up and those constituencies come running to us (Latinos, obviously excluded). As far as I can tell, Trump has transformed the GOP into a truly “Big Tent” operation and all we can do is whine? Shouldn’t we be counting our blessings?

    Yeah, sure, I don’t like Trump. But I don’t dislike him any more than Romney, McCain, the Bushes, Bob Dole, and just about any Republican who has thrown his hat in the presidential ring in the last half century. Who, exactly, outclasses Trump over all those election cycles?

    ThOR (a52560)

  46. Too bad the republicans don’t have someone with enough guile to counter Trump.

    Too bad the voters prize guile above character.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  47. Yeah, sure, I don’t like Trump. But I don’t dislike him any more than Romney, McCain, the Bushes, Bob Dole, and just about any Republican who has thrown his hat in the presidential ring in the last half century. Who, exactly, outclasses Trump over all those election cycles?

    Ted Cruz. By a mile.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  48. Who, exactly, outclasses Trump over all those election cycles?

    Bill Clinton.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. Too bad the republicans don’t have someone with enough guile to counter Trump.

    On this we agree. Although it is in part the media’s inability to look away from shiny things.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  50. One can not blame Trump for the republican parties extremely low i.q.

    He lowered both party’s IQ by changing from Dem to Republican.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  51. Mencken is laughing at us from the grave.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  52. THor,

    I differ with you about Romney. He’s by far the classiest man we’ve run since EIsenhower.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  53. Ted Cruz. By a mile.

    Cruz is great. Hell, Donald Trump respects and likes him. But he isn’t winning.

    Trump is win.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  54. Other than Cruz let me know of a republican with character you can trust.

    mg (31009b)

  55. I hope that Fiorina is given a chance to go toe to toe with Trump.

    Too bad that Cruz is sucking up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  56. On that Kevin M and I will always agree. I think he may have been the classiest ever.

    Gazzer (feaf20)

  57. Finally a fuhrer who makes the trains run on time.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  58. He doesn’t even have to deport the 11M, a number I sharply disagree with. That is red meat for the masses. Just secure the border and enforce our current laws (E verify, jail time for employers) and cut off all benefits. They will self-deport.

    A million times this. It’s stupid to talk about deporting 11 million (or the actual, larger number). Ike deported a few hundred thousand, and millions left.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  59. BTW, felipe, I liked that story. Henri Duvernois — I’ll look for more from him even if he is French.

    nk (dbc370)

  60. “Finally a fuhrer who makes the trains run on time.”

    High five.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  61. Playing “gotcha” with Donald Trump is a fools errand. It is what he does best. If Megyn Kelly really wanted to bring down The Donald, why didn’t she ask him glamor-less, plain-vanilla policy questions? Donald Trump is the anti-wonk. Boring policy questions would level the playing field. Trump has neither the depth of experience nor the temperament to compete with the seasoned pols on such terms. It wouldn’t take much to demonstrate that Trump is out of his league on any one of a number of policy issues social and economic, foreign and domestic. Yes, the sycophants would be unphased, but not the rest.

    ThOR (a52560)

  62. A million times this. It’s stupid to talk about deporting 11 million (or the actual, larger number). Ike deported a few hundred thousand, and millions left.

    WE NEED A LEADER WHO IS WILLING TO SAY ILLEGALS SHOULD SELF-DEPORT.

    A LEADER WHO IS A PROVEN RICH, RICH BUSINESSMAN.

    ROMNEY 2016 TRUMP 2016!!!1!1!!1!!!

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  63. High five.

    A LEADER WITH NO SENSE OF HUMOR OR IRONY!

    (Is that you, Donald?)

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  64. Playing “gotcha” with Donald Trump is a fools errand. It is what he does best.

    Then why is he still pouting about it 19 days later?

    Weak.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  65. “Trump has neither the depth of experience nor the temperament to compete with the seasoned pols on such terms.”

    I think he’s much better read in the classics and has a far broader understanding of history than you realize. He is not, however, a man of simply neocon ideology. I believe you’re underestimating like many underestimated Reagan.

    I also agree he doesn’t get bogged down in the details. But that isn’t what is needed in a mogul, a communicator, or even a President.

    Cruz and Ryan were better at that sort of thing. Reagan and Trump kicked asses of that sort, however—politically. And in terms of leadership.

    Wonks are very much required and Trump has many of them on his team, plus the intellect to evaluate their proposals.

    Last time I checked, the ideal of politics was for someone who was successful to serve for a while then return to private life. Sure, Trump doesn’t have quite the same depth of experience of why things can’t be done as ever-popular congresscritters.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  66. The republican party has tormented their voters for so long, they could run GOD and still lose.

    mg (31009b)

  67. You want a candidate with the guts to take it to the Democrats, MSM, race baiters, illegal aliens, rioters, crooks, Islamic terrorists, gangbangers, Obama, Hillary, Lois Lerner, the IRS, PP, stonewallers, liars, cheats, obstructionists, etc, etc, etc.?

    Well Trump right in front of us, standing up and talkin’ back. He’s drawing huge crowds, he’s leading the pack of weak sisters by double digits, and that’s not good enough? Really? Some of us can’t see beyond the end of our noses.

    ropelight (f9a9d4)

  68. Because tomorrow his poll numbers will be two points higher in Iowa, three in New Hampshire.

    That’s the art of it.

    ThOR (a52560)

  69. “A LEADER WITH NO SENSE OF HUMOR OR IRONY!”

    I got the humor. That’s why I responded with “high five” at the absurd, over the top, but intentionally funny, if a little bitter, comment.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  70. Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done, get back to me when Trump has won a single election.

    Don’t get me wrong. I worry that the electorate is as stupid and pathetic as you are. You bizarre little sycophant desperate for a strongman to worship.

    But I’m not convinced. Yet.

    In the meantime, I suggest you move to Russia, where a Real Man with a Bare Chest takes NO GUFF FROM NOBODY!!!!

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  71. “WE NEED A LEADER WHO IS WILLING TO SAY ILLEGALS SHOULD SELF-DEPORT.”

    Trump has effectively said he agrees with you about deport the criminals first. I can understand why you don’t like him on style or character, from your perspective, but am not sure why his immigration policies or statements bother you. It’s Jeff Sessions all the way (bringing great people into his camp) and it’s brilliant.

    Or common sense, anyway. Sure, Santorum and Walker have themselves said as much, but neither are running away with the nomination on the charisma front.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  72. I got the humor. That’s why I responded with “high five” at the absurd, over the top, but intentionally funny, if a little bitter, comment.

    You get nothing. You’re a troll.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  73. Been a lot of talk on our side about how to reach the LIV. Well Trump is doing that. He is manipulating the media.

    Which other candidate is doing that? Cruz? Hillary? Hillary manipulates the media with a rope line and by strategically exiting press conferences.

    Trumps skill with the media will stand him in good, if he wins.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  74. Trump has effectively said he agrees with you about deport the criminals first.

    Bullshit. You have no idea what my thesis is in that series of posts.

    I made it clear in that series of posts that we can’t deport everyone. And I took a lot of shit for that.

    Donald Idiot Trump says we can and should.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  75. Trumps skill with the media will stand him in good, if he wins.

    You don’t live in California, do you?

    I do, and I have been down this road before, with Ahhhhnold.

    Same idiot bravado, same inevitable awful outcome.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  76. Cruz artfully dusted off the barbie at fox with her attempt to trump Cruz. What a pathetic bimbo.

    mg (31009b)

  77. I just realized, this is a reprise of the California recall, where I pushed Tom McClintock and warned against Ahhhnold, and the idiots in my state paid no attention because ARNOLD CAN WIN AND TOM CAN’T.

    And our state paid a yuuuuuuuge price.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  78. He’s said in speeches he would start with the gang members, the hardened criminals, so it seems that is in line with your thesis.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  79. Cruz artfully dusted off the barbie at fox with her attempt to trump Cruz. What a pathetic bimbo.

    What a pathetic comment.

    Are you seriously so thrilled that a presidential candidate is calling a female journalist a “bimbo” that you feel the need to emulate him in that very disrespectful behavior?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  80. He’s said in speeches he would start with the gang members, the hardened criminals, so it seems that is in line with your thesis.

    You’re a troll.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  81. What did Ahhhhnold do that separated him from all other California republicans, regardless of virtue, regardless if they were rino?
    He won. Twice.

    Arnold’s big mistake was his profligate lifestyle, allowing the Democrat machine to hold marriage ending secrets over his head the entire time he was in office.

    Trump might have something like that in his closet. Keep your chin up, and make sure it’s revealed before it becomes fodder for blackmail by the Democrats.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  82. “I think he’s much better read in the classics and has a far broader understanding of history than you realize. ”

    Even if Trump can quote Balzac and Shakespeare and all them other highfalutin’ Greeks, he’s not the blend of Paul Bunyan, Saint Pat, and Noah Webster you’ve concocted for yourself. When it comes to politics, he’s a rube.

    ThOR (a52560)

  83. Cruz artfully dusted off the barbie at fox with her attempt to trump Cruz. What a pathetic bimbo.

    Do you have any defense for calling Megyn Kelly a bimbo?

    Or do you just not have time for political correctness?

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  84. Democracy is such a terrible system.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  85. Bimbo – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimbo
    Bimbo is a derogatory slang term for an attractive but unintelligent female. The term was originally used in the United States as early as 1919 for an unintelligent …
    History · Bimbos in popular culture

    Heck. Trump used it in proper context, at least from his perspective.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  86. “He won. Twice.”

    Exactly.

    “Arnold’s big mistake was his profligate lifestyle….”

    I don’t even think Trump drinks, if I remember right. It’s been a long time since I read The Art of the Deal, but that’s what I recall.

    For all Arnold’s self-discipline, in certain fields, he was a hard-partying, drug-using, womanizing bodybuilder—and this is just what he openly admitted. I don’t imagine Trump will have those sorts of scandals. If Trump was involved with lifestyle scandals, the GOP elite would be leaking them like mad.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  87. Pathetic is a good looking empty headed women doing what she is told to do.

    mg (31009b)

  88. “Democracy is such a terrible system.”

    SO agree.

    Although perhaps a yet more open democracy, like the Swiss Canton system and direct voting for local matters, might not be so bad. The problem is career politicians representing special interests. Hell, they often ignore the popular policies.

    Which Trump isn’t, but only because he has enough money that he can do this.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  89. “He won. Twice.”

    Exactly.

    Exactly.

    And he didn’t do fuck-all for California.

    Ahhhnold left office without having done ANYTHING that a conservative would be pleased by.

    Not one thing.

    That’s what you schmucks get if you elect this clown. And you deserve it. The thing is, I don’t, and my children for DAMN sure don’t.

    Again: democracy is a horrible system. The idea that my children are subject to the idiot whims of the Trump supporters is nothing short of enraging.

    We need a revolution that gets government out of our lives so that egomaniacs and their moron supporters can’t affect our lives as deeply as they currently can.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  90. A lot of Trump’s policies are simply a return to a more protectionist, isolationist traditional Republican positions. Pat Buchanan would recognize these policies. However, Trump has more star power.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  91. Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done, you’re Christoph. Aren’t you?

    Like I said. You’re a troll.

    Deny it or you’re banned.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  92. “Ahhhnold left office without having done ANYTHING that a conservative would be pleased by.”

    Yeah, but the people actually care about immigration and border control. Across all of western civilization, it’s a massive issue. Hell, the anti-immigration party is now leading polling in Sweden.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  93. The one thing about Christoph is, he’s not a liar.

    If you deny you’re Christoph, I’ll believe you.

    If you try to dance around it, you’re banned.

    If you’re Christoph, then yes, I’m using your honesty against you. Tough.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  94. Last chance.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  95. Christoph, yes. Troll, no. Just, as usual, presenting reasoned positions you disagree with.

    Finally, a Leader Who Gets Things Done (044925)

  96. I knew it. Bye. Again.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  97. Also, in regard to #64: “Then why is he still pouting about it 19 days later?”

    Because he’s a one trick pony and this is his one trick.

    As John Candy’s Freddie character in Splash once said: ” Look, if something works for me I stick with it.”

    ThOR (a52560)

  98. I knew that guy was a troll.

    After more than ten years you get a sense of these things.

    I’m very good at this, you know.

    This blog is one of the most luxurious blogs known to man. And I know ALL the bloggers.

    And it’s only going to be MORE magnificent now that we got rid of that snake Christoph, again, temporarily, until I identify him again.

    Which I will. Because I’m JUST THAT GOOD.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  99. Why would a person like Kelly try and stab Cruz after the trump fiasco? To single out the next target fox and the chamber of commerce wants to take out. They are a vile, pathetic group.
    I may have uttered a politically incorrect word about foxes barbie, excuse me.

    mg (31009b)

  100. Why would a person like Kelly try and stab Cruz after the trump fiasco? To single out the next target fox and the chamber of commerce wants to take out.

    What does that even mean? What did she do? DId she ask Cruz a question he couldn’t handle? I doubt it. Has he whined about any questions she asked? I find that IMPOSSIBLE to believe. So what are you talking about?

    I know I’m coming down hard on you, but you have to defend what you said here.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  101. I think the establishment players like fox, the GOP and the chamber of commerce want Ted Cruz out of the race as soon as possible.

    mg (31009b)

  102. Here’s the difference. If Cruz wins I’ll be a happy camper.

    Here’s the good thing about an “incompetent” President. He isn’t trying to fundamentally change America.
    I don’t see Trump being a do nothing President, but if he were by some miracle, Calvin Coolidge was the best president of the twentieth century.

    Trump not getting anything done equals laissez faire economy.

    Isn’t that what we are all angling for?

    I could stand a few years of the executive branch not doing everything in it’s power, and a bunch of things that aren’t, to screw you, me, and everybody over.

    papertiger (c2d6da)


  103. Who, exactly, outclasses Trump over all those election cycles?
    Bill Clinton.
    nk (dbc370) — 8/25/2015 @ 9:29 pm

    One can not blame Trump for the republican parties extremely low i.q.
    He lowered both party’s IQ by changing from Dem to Republican.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/25/2015 @ 9:35 pm

    What’s pathetic is the scroungy, trashy nature of Clinton (not to mention his deranged wife) and Obama have so lowered the prestige of the American presidency and White House, that all the snickering and sarcasm about the trashiness and stupidity of any of their successors won’t have quite the same flair or tone as it would have had years ago.

    Thanks, American people (but liberals in particular), for making the nation you call home less exceptional, less special, less first-rate, less first-world.

    Mark (dc566c)

  104. Democracy is such a terrible system.

    It sure as hell is when too many of the people within that system fall for the idea that liberalism and left-leaning instincts are beautiful, intelligent, warm-hearted, generous, noble and sophisticated aspects of the human mind. And that, in turn, anything of a conservative, rightwing bent is unattractive, unintelligent, cold-hearted, stingy, unsophisticated and ignoble.

    We’re dealing with the folly of Donald Trump against the backdrop of such do-gooder nonsense, in the context of the lunacy of Obama-ized political correctness, in light of all the “don’t cry for me, Argentina” type of ideology that has infected this society for decades and is helping bring down Western civilization.

    Mark (dc566c)

  105. Probably 90% of the people at Fox are leftist who are good at hiding it. Megyn just can’t help herself, and maybe the other candidates will start calling them out for not being any different than MSNBC.

    Who gives a crap about the 12 year old anchor baby? What are you going to do for every twelve year old?

    BradnSA (2312b5)

  106. What’s pathetic is the scroungy, trashy nature of Clinton (not to mention his deranged wife)

    What’s also pathetic is a man-child who has given her money.

    Most pathetic of all is anyone who would support said man-child knowing he gave her money.

    I’m sick of the whole thing.

    Patterico (3be226)

  107. Your take will no doubt be different than mine.

    He’s dodging. I have seen him dodge that same question before. I think he should. It’s a trap and you dodge a trap.

    But journalists are supposed to lay traps like that.

    You won’t find Ted Cruz whining about it three weeks from now. Because Ted Cruz is a man.

    Patterico (3be226)

  108. PT Barnum was right. There’s a sucker born every minute.

    Patterico (3be226)

  109. I don’t see Trump being a do nothing President,

    Me neither. He would be the opposite, a maniacal Teddy Roosevelt, issuing thousands of executive orders and extending Obama’s autocracy.

    Patterico (3be226)

  110. Me neither. He would be the opposite, a maniacal Teddy Roosevelt, issuing thousands of executive orders and extending Obama’s autocracy.

    Worst of all is that he would peevishly pick fights with Republicans just so that he could cuddle up to Democrats, thus performing the Daily Double of appearing to be above partisanship while at the same time winning plaudits from the liberal establishment. This also became a Schwarzenegger strategy, once he was safely reelected and no longer needed the GOP.

    JVW (ba78f9)

  111. The only suckers are the ones that will to continue to vote team rino. Dole out the mittens, Juan,

    mg (31009b)

  112. i understand calling megyn a bimbo but i don’t understand calling megyn a bimbo and NOT calling jorge a bimbo

    i just can’t get my head around it

    happyfeet (831175)

  113. Bimbo was used in informal English-English writing in the ’20s for guys too. “I’ve been hoping for some tough bimbo to come along and set him straight.”

    nk (dbc370)

  114. I’m not as smart as Patterico and I’ve been wrong about many things, including that I thought America would elect Romney over Obama in 2012. I don’t want Trump to win but one big, big benefit from his candidacy is that he’s pushed the debate to the right. No one would have imagined we’d be talking about mass deportations, let alone doing away with birthright citizenship, but we are thanks to Trump. We’re also talking about China and media bias — at Fox and Univision.

    I don’t think anyone else could have done this, not even Cruz or the return of Ronald Reagan. I credit (or blame) Trump’s bombastic personality that makes him impervious-to-criticism. Of course, the qualities that make him a game-changing candidate would also make him a terrible President, but he hasn’t won yet so I’m going to focus on the benefits of him being in the race.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  115. I trust that Mr. Patterico future epilogues against Mr. Obama and his cabal will have the same passion and disdain as the exact examples for voting against Mr. Trump that you stated.

    As to your post about “democracy” and subsequent revolution ‘…that gets government out of our lives..” Mr. Trump might be the “rough beast” out of the Wasteland, however, what circle of hell is this Republic now under President44.

    mike191 (b4a717)

  116. Patterico on 8/25/2015 @ 7:22 pm:

    He says he’s still all over Megyn Kelly because when people offend him, he doesn’t like to let them forget it.

    That’s the guy I want in charge of the the IRS!

    You want someone who audits people they don’t like??

    Why not just put Lois Lerner in charge?

    Sammy Finkelman (8ab807)

  117. That was sarcasm?

    Well, it makes more sense that way.

    I don’t think we’ve ever had a politician who admitted to being malicious toward people in retaliation. By itself, this is seeking too much power.

    Sammy Finkelman (8ab807)

  118. DRJ (1dff03) — 8/26/2015 @ 6:24 am

    I don’t want Trump to win but one big, big benefit from his candidacy is that he’s pushed the debate to the right.

    John C. Calhoun did that too, in the 1840s.

    Sammy Finkelman (8ab807)

  119. Ramos isn’t a journalist. He is an enthusiastic hack for the Dems. Univision is in the tank for leftist causes, Ramos’ daughter literally works for Hillary’s campaign. His hackery should be called out at every turn. As with all the other leftist hacks. Redundant, I know.

    JD (d1fc85)

  120. I’m not as smart as Patterico and I’ve been wrong about many things, including that I thought America would elect Romney over Obama in 2012. I don’t want Trump to win but one big, big benefit from his candidacy is that he’s pushed the debate to the right. No one would have imagined we’d be talking about mass deportations, let alone doing away with birthright citizenship, but we are thanks to Trump. We’re also talking about China and media bias — at Fox and Univision.

    I don’t think anyone else could have done this, not even Cruz or the return of Ronald Reagan. I credit (or blame) Trump’s bombastic personality that makes him impervious-to-criticism. Of course, the qualities that make him a game-changing candidate would also make him a terrible President, but he hasn’t won yet so I’m going to focus on the benefits of him being in the race.

    You’re of course far smarter than I am. If he doesn’t win, this all makes perfect sense. I am panicked by the idea that he might, though, because I don’t really see the force that will stop it. And yes, he would be a horrible, awful, terrible president.

    And not all his rhetoric is good either — the diatribes about tariffs and jobs being shipped out of the country are great populism but terrible economics. It’s just pandering to the lowest common denominator.

    A vindictive guy like this in charge of the IRS would be as scary as Obama in charge of the IRS. Maybe scarier, because Trump wouldn’t be as worried about making it seem like he wasn’t doing it. He would do it and idiots would applaud him for it.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  121. Every society, no matter how civilized it thinks it is, is vulnerable to national passion for a strongman. The question is whether this country is at that point. If it is, I find that very scary.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  122. Sadly, not nearly as scary as the carnage left in Obama’s wake.

    JD (34f761)

  123. It would be more of the same, without the veneer of lawfulness (thin as it is).

    Trump’s message is not limited government. He will fix everything with government because he will do it better.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  124. Veneer is too kind. What I mean to say is that Obama is at least willing to pretend what he does is lawful. The pretense is generally bad and laughable, but he still pretends, because liar.

    Trump would just violate the law and tell you that’s what he’s doing. Many would applaud that as honesty, but again, I find it scary.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  125. Patterico are you saying that Trump would destroy our Republic versus “the veneer” of president44 in post124?

    mike191 (b4a717)

  126. Trump and Sanders should scare everyone, but it doesn’t matter as much that they scare voters. What matters is that they scare the Beltway Cartel, both Democrats and Republicans.

    DRJ (1dff03)

  127. Sometimes the enemy or your enemy really is your friend. I think this is one of those times, if for no other reason than Trump’s wrenching the “Overton Window” on immigration wide open. I am also appreciative of his ability to “out” even the most closeted RINO and provide an opportunity for our betters in the media “beclown” themselves in increasingly grotesque ways – the Jorge Ramos confrontation was astounding.

    And where does the assumption come from that “Trump would just violate the law and tell you that’s what he’s doing,” when the man’s single issue is a return to lawful and orderly immigration? Moreover, our entire culture is cosseted by a political correctness that has stifled free debate and threatens our very constitution. Yet, you seem to argue that Trump’s impolitic brashness is somehow the threat. It will grant you it is a threat, but a threat to all those who hide behind and benefit from political correctness. This man really is speaking “truth to power,” at least when it comes to immigration and, in so doing, encourages other conservatives to wrench open Overton Windows on other themes. What greater service could a candidate provide?

    My biggest disappointment, though, is the white-knuckled panic that I see in many otherwise thoughtful conservatives. With the first primary still months and months away, now is not the time to panic. In the last presidential election cycle, it seemed there was a new frontrunner every week, but now many among us fret that nothing will change in the 5+ months between now and the first primary.

    ThOR (a52560)

  128. Holy cow! We’ve gone from talking the reality of him helping elect Hillary, to the fantasy of him as President.

    nk (dbc370)

  129. 2 cents from the hip with less than thorough following of the thread

    perhaps someone being out right honest and saying “I’m defying the law” and getting away with it would mean that the country is in a worse place than we are today,
    but I would have more respect for the person doing that than what we have today
    and I would probably have more “respect” in some sense for those that openly cooperated with the person,
    than I have for all of the people who should know better who are willfully enabling what is going on now.

    I guess, in one way I would have more respect for the devil coming at me without camouflage
    than his lackeys coming at me with lies.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  130. Actually, it’s more Senator Jeff Sessions who is the John C. Calhoun of our times.

    Sammy Finkelman (8ab807)

  131. Post 127 and 129 are thoughtful answers to my post 125. What say you,Patterico?

    mike191 (b4a717)

  132. If he doesn’t win, this all makes perfect sense. I am panicked by the idea that he might, though, because I don’t really see the force that will stop it. And yes, he would be a horrible, awful, terrible president.

    @120 Patterico (3cc0c1) — 8/26/2015 @ 8:07 am

    That is democracy in a nutshell: beautiful when it works, horrifying when it fails.

    BTW: You are in good company; the Founding Fathers were not big fans of democracy either. That is why the US was founded as a Federal Republic. Today though, we are (increasingly) a Centralized Democracy, IMHO.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

    -Benjamin Franklin

    Pons Asinorum (e0a90d)

  133. That is democracy in a nutshell: beautiful when it works, horrifying when it fails.

    My problem is I’ve never seen a time when democracy worked beautifully. Democracy is the rule of the majority and no matter how you cut it that means if it’s 51% to 49% or 99% to 1% there is a majority which is forcing, at the point of a gun, their fellow citizens to perform some act they think is wrong for them. So it’s little more than thugocracy in my book. And if recent court decisions and recently passed laws don’t show you that you’re blind.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  134. Birth TOurism Booming in Los Angeles cnn video.

    Sanctuary City?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  135. Democracy is the rule of the majority and no matter how you cut it that means if it’s 51% to 49% or 99% to 1% there is a majority which is forcing, at the point of a gun, their fellow citizens to perform some act they think is wrong for them. So it’s little more than thugocracy in my book.

    I think force is true of any form of government Rev Hoagie.

    On the left-end of the political spectrum is tyranny and on the right-end is anarchy. Either one person rules or everyone rules — all underwritten by force.

    Somewhere in the mid-range is where democracy resides, and somewhere within that range is where a republic form of government lives.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. My first presidential vote was for Ronald Reagan — and it was a beautiful 🙂

    Pons Asinorum (e0a90d)

  136. Patterico are you saying that Trump would destroy our Republic versus “the veneer” of president44 in post124?

    Obama has gone a long way. The Roman example showed that you can maintain the pretense for a while, with nominal institutions still around but toothless.

    But as bad as Obama is, our own history has worse examples of rights trampled and authority run amok, and other countries have worse examples still. Many of these revolve around a cult of personality — and when that cult is established, then all the institutions in the world don’t matter.

    We’re not there, but a President Trump would actually worry me more than Obama does. Plenty here are not worried because they figure he can’t win, and that’s probably right and I hope it’s right — and if it is, then there are certainly many political and rhetorical benefits that flow from the issues he has raised and the ways in which he has raised them.

    But if it came down to him vs. Hillary, I would start formulating a back-up plan that involved moving to a different country, and that’s not a joke. If the economy cratered (and I think it will) it would probably be time to pull the trigger on that plan.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  137. “But if it came down to him vs. Hillary, I would start formulating a back-up plan that involved moving to a different country, and that’s not a joke. If the economy cratered (and I think it will) it would probably be time to pull the trigger on that plan.”

    – Patterico

    I have had that same exact thought, for the first time in my young life.

    Leviticus (48a857)

  138. Canada has some beautiful country just north of Idaho and Montana. I wonder what Calgary real estate is like.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  139. alberta’s now in the hands of the ndp, for reasons passing understanding,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  140. another take,

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/08/25/the-alinsky-man/

    Oh Good Lord, to that.

    First of all, don’t invoke the image of the French Revolution to Americans.

    Second, the idea that Trump is the guy with the courage to cross the Rubicon, when Cruz would not, is such bullshit. Cruz has done courageous things Trump can’t dream of doing. But apparently his inability to boast about that like a crass doofus means nobody will listen.

    For now. We’ll see if that lasts.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  141. alberta’s now in the hands of the ndp, for reasons passing understanding,

    Well, it’s pretty cold there too.

    Switzerland, then. I started to say I’d have to learn German, but in my favorite valley pretty much everyone speaks English these days anyway.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

  142. his experience was more with the Phillipine revolution of the 8os, then the French,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  143. and there is the caveat he once talked about Schwartzenegger this way,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  144. Don’t go to Canada. Everybody there says they’re sorry. Switzerland is a very positive place. Its flag is the plus sign.

    nk (dbc370)

  145. We’re not there, but a President Trump would actually worry me more than Obama does.

    You’ve lost me there. Now I’m not too confident in the way you assess characters along the lines of Obama, much less Trump, much less Hillary.

    If the current occupant of the Oval Office hasn’t totally worn out — if not broken — your cynical/skeptical meter, and you instead have enough left in reserve to gauge Donald Trump, sorry, but your meter needs major repairs.

    Mark (dc566c)

  146. I already explained this. Obama still feels restrained by the need to pretend he’s acting within the law.

    If Trump got it, he would laugh at all such constraints. Some find that honest. I find it scary.

    Patterico (3cc0c1)

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