RNC Protester Arrested with Machete
The fringe left does its protests differently, huh?
A Republican National Convention protestor was arrested while he allegedly carried a machete strapped to his leg, according to deputies.
According to Hillsborough County Sheriff’s officials, Jason T. Wilson, of Tallahassee, was arrested as he walked in the RNC Event Zone carrying a “full size” machete.
The Rauhauser/Kimberlin trolls have all reanimated lately, by the way. There are at least five separate unusual occurrences surrounding these folks — troll accounts starting; old trolls resurfacing; people who were always quiet suddenly popping off; longstanding accounts making weird declarations; Pastebins containing silly rants surfacing; etc.
Is it connected to the RNC? I don’t know. Lucky thing none of these folks is a psychopath . . .
P.S. In an unrelated (?) note: an Anonymous hacker was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison recently. I bet that hacker had no idea it was coming until they knocked on his door.
P.P.S. Is Obama using sock puppet accounts Rauhauser style? Or just buying Twitter followers the way certain people do? Either way, he has a lotta fake followers.
I believe everybody’s favorites, the Code Pink Human Vaginas were also spotted.
That is good scrap book material for the grand kids right there, let me tell you.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/26/2012 @ 11:54 pmand to think that the full moon isn’t due for a week or two…
we live in interesting times.
(and that’s not a good thing. %-)
redc1c4 (403dff) — 8/27/2012 @ 1:26 amfrom the picture over @ Gateway Pundit, it was more a kukri than a machete.
redc1c4 (403dff) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:03 amThat’s not a knife!
reff (653c59) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:21 amOh, drat! A protestor with a machete was arrested. And I was hoping it really meant that the protestor had been arrested with a machete.
Bill G (acef5e) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:15 amThe kooks, as always, are out
The Limerick Avenger (3e4784) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:20 amFor the media to give them a shout
Jail? BFD
Their friends they will see
And the laws they’ll continue to flout.
It’s a Kukri, not a machete. From the pic it appears to the version made by Cold Steel.
SteveP (d224e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:36 amA machete is a tool designed for chopping vegetation. A Kukri is a weapon designed for chopping off body parts.
Please, get the facts straight.
With Code Pink protesting, it was a good thing Isaac acted as giant Douche to clean the bad odor coming from those body parts.
seamusmeboy (08fc5f) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:44 amA kukri is a bushbaby with a short handle. It chops wood and clears brush. Lacking anything better, it can quarter your chicken for dinner. It can be used as a weapon, but what can’t?
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:18 amIt’s descended from the kopis and falcata, from a time when metal tools were rare and expensive, and in the two or three times in a lifetime when you had to fight instead of farm you picked up what was at hand. Just like the halberds and bills of the western peasant levies.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:23 amActually, Pat, the “fringe left” – by which I suppose you mean those who think the Republican Party is worth protesting – doesn’t do these things differently at all. I’m guessing you’ve forgotten the fellow who showed up to an Obama protest bearing an assault rifle, which he is legally allowed to bear. Likewise, our Occupy protesters were joined early this year at one event by members of a Constitutional militia who were there to show support for government overreach and to actually protect our people from state brutality against assemblers, and who were quite reasonably well-armed for the task. It may be difficult for a prosecutor to understand – even someone like you who has been among the few on the right to advocate for the Marine who has been detained for speaking out against the state he served – exactly what can happen to those of us who end up on the wrong side of the government on issues like Wikileaks, but suffice to say that I have long advised activists to learn not just their rights as well as information operation tactics, but also marksmanship and street fighting. We told the same thing to Tunisians, Russians, Libyans, and others who find themselves under tyranny, and it applies to “mixed” republics like ours in which the rule of law is present by tradition but routinely violated. Had the Oakland Occupy protesters been armed, perhaps the ex-military fellow who was assaulted by a degenerate unAmerican cop and left in a coma would never have had to come home to America only to become a casualty of the republic.
Barrett Brown (ba301a) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:30 amWell played, Limerick Avenger.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:51 amThere should be no law against going armed. The right to bear weapons is the right to be free.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:04 amWhat can you expect from the libs?
The Limerick Avenger (3e4784) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:09 amOn your money they all call, “Dibs!”
But when a lib guy
For a job does apply
His résumé is all full of fibs.
The libs hate Romney
The Senryu Avenger (3e4784) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:12 amThey should count all their blessings
It could have been Newt!
nk wrote:
I’d be happier if our friends on the left would keep and bear brains.
The Dana who is dead on target (3e4784) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:15 amWas he perhaps a second amendment activist? His response to the police, that he was allowed to carry whatever he liked, would be consistent with that. After all, a lefty would have readily surrendered his weapon to the nearest authority and been glad to do so, wouldn’t he? 🙂
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:16 amSorry, nk, but that’s just nuts. It is perfectly reasonable for a free society to restrict armaments in certain situations, and it makes no sense at all to allow those who have been convicted of using weapons to commit crimes to ever possess weapons even after they have “paid their debt to society.”
The libertarian ideal that says armed law abiding citizens would constrain the use of weapons by those who might be inclined to use them criminally utterly fails when the damage one committed individual can do with a weapon becomes society altering, like with the killing of a political figure.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:20 amIt’s not perfectly reasonable, and even under “secondary scrutiny”, whatever that is, you’d better have a darn good reason.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:28 amI guess it is easier to ban them than to prosecute individuals who behave irresponsibly with them.
Years ago a friend said that in Ohio he could legally walk around town with the big pistol he used for hunting in a chest holder, but what would be the point of it.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:28 amWhen you get clairvoyance, constrain the use of the weapons by those who might use them criminally.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:30 amyou’d better have a darn good reason
*the government* better have a darn good reason
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:32 amFor all we know, this guys had the knife, and it is a knife, was in case a Log Cabin Republican wanted help with chinking his cabin.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:33 amWhen they get a diagnosis of schizophrenia or become psychotic, that’s enough for me to say their right to purchase should be constrained. That’s not clairvoyance, that’s just prudence.
Crazy people control, not gun conrol.
SarahW (b0e533) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:34 amThe problem is that we allow insitutions and States and so on to ban weapons, making people less able to defend themselves, and then we fail to hold the gun banners responsible for victims being unable to defend themselves.
Virginia Tech, for instance, should be out of business. They were a free fire zone …. er, gun free zone, and they completely failed to protect the disarmed people there.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:37 am“Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.”
— Later today, perhaps, if the winds blow just right . . .
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:43 amI think we’re being too cynical about this machete-wielding left winger.
Everyone knows that left wingers are advocates for peace and love !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:50 amSarah,
That makes sense in general but I worry how easy it could be to get an unjustified diagnosis in specific cases. Plus, how many psychiatric patients actually commit violent acts?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:52 amSarahW, did you see that your friend, Brandon Raub, has been released?
Yeah, it turns out that when he posted “I’m here to sever heads,” he was just quoting some rap lyrics. It’s not like he went outdoors with a kukri strapped to his leg, or anything.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:54 amPerhaps the guy just wanted to be able to defend himself from those rabid, violent teabaggers. Everything he has heard about the teabaggers is how dangerous and racist and basically evil those kind of people are, so it would be perfectly reasonable. He was just a courageous young man going into the lion’s den.
This is not a stretch at all. The constant bombardment of blatant lies from the Democratic Party and its propaganda wing (NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, CNN, MSNBC etc etc) adds up and has consequences.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:56 amAnd why do I have to come to a “conservative” blog to see comments about how society has “right” to restrain arms bearing in some situations (apparently when people are engaged in free speech and peaceful assembly with real-life politicians and delegates in a building nearby)? Does society likewise has a “right” to restrain free speech in whichever circumstances its alleged agent the state deems to be dangerous? Because, of course, that is already done, both officially and via unconstitutional measures taken by officials who go beyond the purview of their office.
No disrespect intended, but amusing that someone going by “Ronald” would make such an argument; Reagan believed as much, which is why he was down with the statist “war on drugs” from which the Chicoms have taken so many lessons, and put the narc William Bennett in charge of a huge new government agency for the intent of carrying out that statist campaign in new and counter-productive ways.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:57 amAlso, can the half of you who are capable of seeing that this is not only not a story, but also something your allies do all the time please tell the other half of you to get off the internet? Been a while since I read the opinions of the Great Mediocre. Thank you.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:59 amUm, “Roland” != “Ronald”
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:59 amReading is fundimental.
elissa (a7d02a) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:02 amOops, read it as “Ronald” for some reason. As such, the comparison to Reagan is only amusing to the extent that anyone here wrongly sees Reagan or the Republican Party as being fundamentally superior to anyone else other than the Communist Part of the USA on issues of liberty. I regret the error.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:05 amSounds like Barrett Brown’s parade got rained on !
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:06 amI guess to some people temporarily denying anyone the right to be armed, anywhere, is just the same as not allowing political speech. Same kind of strange thinking process you’ll find on the Left.
BTW, the war on drugs is insane. With each drug we should either legalize the drug or we should shoot the traitors giving money to the drug lords with whom we are supposedly at war. One or the other. **** or get off the pot.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:11 amUm, excuse me? How is it different from temporarily denying someone the right to political speech, anywhere?
Of course on private property the owner may deny both rights, at her sole discretion. But on public property “no weapon zones” are as odious as “no speech zones”.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:19 amRoland, I didn’t say it’s exactly the same, and in fact I didn’t say that I think it’s unconstitutional or silly to not allow random people to take guns into the White House or some such and made clear that this case does not approach that sort of special situation (the White House belongs to the federal gov and they have the right to restrict much like anyone with private property gets to). Like other occasions on which people of all ideologies (other than anti-gun people of course) have brought weapons to demonstrations, this one occurred in public space, and not anywhere near anyone who’s special and/or a likely target for shootings or stabbings by assassins.
Also, I seem to recall that many on this “side” of the spectrum here (I am not a conservative, rather an anarchist/libertarian depending on the day and anyway Pat can vouch for me at least on my honest intent) thought that McCain and Feingold restricting donations was very much akin to restricting other forms of speech. I do not know what your position on that is, but if you were among those who thought it was some really unusual breach of our rights, then don’t make fun of someone comparing the right to bear to arms to the right to speak. Our founders placed 2nd Amendment right after 1st Amendment for a reason: you can have all the guarantees you want from the state, but the only way to enforce them if violated is to have guns.
Viva la Whiskey Rebellion!
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:22 amYou cannot illegally take down a political figure and fundamentally alter the course of the entire society with a word. You can with a bullet.
Anyone who cannot see that difference has a screw loose.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:22 amBarrett, I was responding to nk’s sweeping comment that there should be no law against going armed. I was not talking about the particulars of this situation with the kukri.
McCain-Feingold is an abomination. The GOP was completely nuts to nominate its author. However, it was mostly supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:27 amTo treat political figures differently from anyone else is odious to free society. Politicians put on their trousers one leg at a time, and their lives are not a whit more precious than anyone else’s. And in fact it’s a damn sight easier to take a political figure down with a word than with a bullet.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:29 amIcy, TRUST ME. It was a: more than song lyrics
SarahW (b0e533) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:31 amb: he’s really crazy. I posted about his release on the day of.
Mr Brown? The man with the rifle at the protest, was a black man, and a counter protestor. He failed by not striking terror in the hearts of the TEA party members, mainly because they were not the insane racists he was told they were.
Phillep Harding (1b8b26) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:32 amRoland, I understand that McCain Feingold was unpopular with Republicans. Why is the restriction of some offshoot of 1st Amendment – unlimited financial donations – an “abomination” (hard for me to see that it really is compared to a thousand other things) that clearly violates the Constitution whereas restrictions on guns is a fine and reasonable thing? These matters may be obvious to you but I’m slow.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:33 amPhillep Hardley: I’m not talking about the black man and can’t imagine why “guy who brings gun to protest” automatically evokes that for you. I’m referring to a conservative – as I noted clearly – who brought it to a conservative rally for his own reasons, but who of course doesn’t get called “fringe” for it like this guy who wore a weapon that was found by cops.
Incidentally, one major reason that the state hasn’t cracked down on Tea Party protests in the way I and others have seen them crack down on Occupy’s side is because the powers that be know how easily conservatives are distracted from their fake anti-government bullshit, whereas Occupy is connected to the only real, successful anti-government movement in the U.S., the one that’s not all talk – anarchism as put forward by Anonymous and many of us involved in other entities connected to Wikileaks. No one in the state is afraid of yuppie cons who will behave themselves again the second even a Bush-like fiscal liberal Republican gets back into office.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:40 amAs I said: You cannot illegally take down a political figure and fundamentally alter the course of the entire society with a word. You can with a bullet.
Weapons are not the same as words. Look at the real world.
BTW, Milhouse, you left out the word “illegally.” I put it in there for a reason.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:41 amBarrett Brown, just why is it that you are misrepresenting the issue with McCain-Feingold in your trolling attempt to distract the thread?
Gosh, it must be to distract the thread from the topic – the violence of the Left.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:45 am“You cannot illegally take down a political figure and fundamentally alter the course of the entire society with a word. You can with a bullet.”
I know. That’s partly why we were “given” our right to own those bullets, to wage war on governments who seize our right just as our Founding Fathers had to.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:45 am…I worry how easy it could be to get an unjustified diagnosis in specific cases. Plus, how many psychiatric patients actually commit violent acts?
Comment by DRJ — 8/27/2012 @ 7:52 am
So long as there is speedy access to independent re-evaluation when there is a desire to challenge, I’m less worried about an immediate revocation that can be revisited within days or weeks, and over a course of time. The more evaluation the merrier.
To the last part, I’d assert more than is generally admitted in pc explanations. Those who are eager to purchase stores of weapons might be more interested in use of force, than others.
SarahW (b0e533) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:48 amSPQR: Don’t use an awesome screen name if you’re going to fag it up with nonsense. First off, I don’t know what incident of violence on the part of the left this thread refers to, but perhaps you can tell me. We’re talking about a guy who carried a knife on his person to a protest, and I brought up a guy who carried an assault rifle to another protest. You and your sort will never acknowledge that because emotionally you cannot; your true allegiance is to your tribal political affiliation, rather than principles or honesty, and to accept a reasoned point would hurt you.
Finally, there is almost no “violence on the left” because the left is ineffectual and filled with pacifist fools. The violence on the streets occurs between my sort of people and your sort of cops, who often start it, but whom will never be criticized for doing so by your sort because (1) it’s always against protesters you see as “the other” and who are either on the left or anarchists such as myself, and (2) because you are a statist like most “mainstream” Americans who do not deserve the title.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:51 amMy, what a dishonest little troll, you are, Brown. The man with a rifle ( it was not an assault rifle ) in Arizona was openingly carrying it. Not concealing it. The open carry itself was his message, not the concealment of the weapon for conducting violence.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:54 amPeople do nothing to protect that right when they defend the right of crazy people and criminals to own guns, and the right of anyone to carry those weapons anywhere, always.
If that interpretation of the 2nd were to win in the Court, we would get a gun restricting Constitutional Amendment faster than you can say, “Tyranny.” Do you really want to go there?
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 8:55 amWow. Which planet did you say you are from?
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:00 amI’d love to go there if it would mean a single “conservative” would do something that actually reduces the fundamental powers of the state instead of apologizing for Bush and Reagan, yes. You’re probably a bit atypical but lots of them are big on 2nd Amendment as you’ve probably noticed, even if they don’t give a shit about 4th Amendment and love when the state spies on us with AT&T – because it’s not about liberty, really, to them. It’s about the same nonsense tribalism/nativism/Judeo-patriarchism that the American conservative “philosophy” has hinged upon for several decades now.
Join Anonymous. Learn to fight states.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:00 amI’m from the planet with all the liberals who hate guns and think violence is always wrong. You must be from this Right-Wing Blogosphere Planet where the left is always beating up people and the conservatives never engage in political violence at all. Good to meet you, always nice to visit once a year or so.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:02 amEvery medical practitioner who diagnoses a patient with a dangerous psychiatric condition should be obligated to prove his diagnosis, in court, beyond a reasonable doubt, or himself be indefinitely involuntarily committed.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:04 amAn honest anarchist.
I’d prefer a little law and order instead of anarchy, myself.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:04 amAs much as it ills me, I think Barrett has a point. That famous cropped photo of the AR15 at the Tea Party event has been defended by our side of someone lawfully exercising their constitutional rights. And it has been defended as such for years.
Based on the linked article, I’m not sure why this dude was arrested. I suspect it’s because he decided to head into the restricted rights zone around the RNC convention. It’s also possible the Florida law isn’t as understanding of weaponry as Arizona law (I think that’s where the AR15 photo was taken). It’s also possible that the authorities have solid intel on plans for violence at the RNC convention and had none for the Tea Party protest of years past.
We need more information, but on the surface I don’t understand why Mr. Wilson was arrested.
Semper Why (e8bb0e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:05 amHow do you distinguish the right to speak for oneself form the right to pay someone else to speak on ones behalf? I don’t see much daylight between them. It’s like saying that you may burn a flag, but you may not help someone buy the matches to do so.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:05 amSo Stalin wasn’t a “liberal”, he certainly wasn’t right wing, so what was he?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:05 amActually, this conversation has already become old.
Defamation is illegal too. And the pen is mightier than the sword.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:06 amI see. Arguing with an anarchist is as useless as arguing with a communist or a pacifist. Reality is beside the point.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:07 amI think Mr. Wilson was arrested for spitting, which is against the law in many areas from back in the day when TB was more prevalent.
Actually, I appeal to Crichton’s Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia theory, which tells us that if we stop and think for a second, nobody really has any idea what really happened and will not until a few days from now, if ever, after a dozen different news agencies spit out various versions and eventually some of the truth manages to wiggle out. Let’s talk about it then, shall we?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:09 amThe only places people can be said to be successfuly disarmed, good guys and bad guys both, are cemeteries.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:10 amBarrett Brown:
And why do I have to come to a “conservative” blog to see comments about how society has “right” to restrain arms bearing in some situations
— Because we keep it real, here.
apparently when people are engaged in free speech and peaceful assembly with real-life politicians and delegates in a building nearby
— Yeah, it’s too bad there isn’t a history of political assassinations that could forewarn us of what might happen if we let our guard down.
Does society likewise has a “right” to restrain free speech in whichever circumstances its alleged agent the state deems to be dangerous?
— In much the same way that an apple does not resemble an orange, the answer to that question is NO.
Because, of course, that is already done, both officially and via unconstitutional measures taken by officials who go beyond the purview of their office.
— Your files must be positively bursting with examples.
Reagan believed as much, which is why he was down with the statist “war on drugs” from which the Chicoms have taken so many lessons, and put the narc William Bennett in charge of a huge new government agency for the intent of carrying out that statist campaign
— Actually, it was George H. W. Bush that put Bennett in charge of the “agency” (actually, just a cabinet office) that is so “huge” it has all of 98 full-time employees.
Sorry for the interruption. Carry on with your rant . . .
Also, can the half of you who are capable of seeing that this is not only not a story, but also something your allies do all the time please tell the other half of you to get off the internet?
— Uh, “your allies,” Mr. Moby? And would “get off the Internet” be an attempt to restrain free speech?
the comparison to Reagan is only amusing to the extent that anyone here wrongly sees Reagan or the Republican Party as being fundamentally superior to anyone else other than the Communist Part of the USA on issues of liberty.
— And by “anyone else” you mean Ron Paul?
As for the Communist part of the USA, we don’t talk about San Francisco around here. It puts us in a bad mood.
I regret the error.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:13 am— Trust me, we all do.
Actually, Brown, you are from the planet of making up crap about your political opponents and the planet of not having a clue what your political opponents actually stand for.
We get visitors from that planet every day.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:15 amBarrett Brown is a douchenozzle.
JD (b0764b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:15 amAnd the pen is mightier than the sword.
It helps if the pen is very big and the sword very small.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:16 amOur founders placed 2nd Amendment right after 1st Amendment for a reason
— Is it because 2 follows 1? Gee, I sure wish that The Count were still alive so that we could solicit his expertise on this one!
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:17 amMilhouse: I should have noted that I’m not necessarily in favor of McCain-Feingold (my opinion on that issue is unformed and vague compared to strong or weak arguments I may make on other matters; I do not know enough about the legal arguments and precedent and all that to be educated on the question beyond the bumper sticker-level exchanges one sees in public/press). Instead, I’m trying to get this individual to explain his views and to show that they don’t contradict/are actually part of a reasoned whole he can explain rather than hodge-podge feelings and first impressions/prove he’s a rational human being and not peasant.
Roland: It’s not any uselessness that’s preventing you from engaging me any further; you obviously spend a great deal of time posting comments on a blog that you largely agree with, which is among the most useless things one can do in politics. Rather, like most people, you are not used to debating with an anarchist who has gone to the trouble of trying to maintain consistency in his own opinions. You are used to arguing with Democrats who don’t know shit and have no idea what they actually believe, like Republicans. Note that I am not exactly some crazy person shouting nonsense; other, “real” people who aren’t insignificant like me are making similar arguments as me along similar lines. If you’re not interested in debating further, that’s fine, but don’t pretend like I’ve said anything that’s not based in reality or properly explained (especially relative to most blog comments, for fuck’s sake).
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:18 amDRJ, at the moment, I don’t think that mental health holds and commitments are used enough.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:20 amThat would be this planet; the same one where “liberals” hate guns but are A-OK with violence by “well-meaning” people on their side. Examples of left-wing violence are legion; when exactly is the last time there was any right-wing political violence in the USA? Can you name the time and place?
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:22 amIcy, TRUST ME. It was a: more than song lyrics
b: he’s really crazy. I posted about his release on the day of.
Comment by SarahW — 8/27/2012 @ 8:31 am
— Personally, I that anyone who puts forth the theory that the Romney campaign conspired with the Virginia Secretary of State to keep Newt Gingrich’s name off the ballot has demonstrated a clear-cut case of dementia, and should be held for a 72-hour “observation”.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:25 amIcy: You do not seem to know what a Moby is or are having trouble understanding the definitions to long-established English words that I am using; I am not pretending to be a Republican and openly mock anyone who supports that party (more than I make fun of the idiots on Daily Kos, even). As for some of your other questions, particularly the one involving state officials who do things they’re not supposed to do that you actually seem to be challenging me on, see Holder’s Department of Justice and particularly the Team Themis affair. Incidentally, that’s something you people could be using to go after Obama and Holder – incidentally, it was Republican Lamar Smith who provided them cover on the House Committee that was supposed to investigate further. Incredible how almost no Republican has though to use that, but then few party folks spend much time learning the details of how their state operates behind the scenes or they’d be with us. Finally, I am not here to debate people of your educational background, but rather people like Roland (or “Ronald” as I accidentally deemed him) and also just to check out Pat’s blog, which I’ve always liked as far as conservative blogs go.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:27 amIsn’t he part of Anonymous,
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:29 amOh, they definitely have that. But I don’t see how it changes anything, unless they had solid intel on this person.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:30 amWell, the “anarchist” part is true, but I have had a great deal of experience debating with all sorts of people who have gone to a great deal of trouble of trying to maintain consistency in their opinions.
The problem is not any lack of consistency, Barrett. The problem is that you will casually (most probably unconsciously) bend reality to maintain that consistency, as with the bullets and words difference. You are certain you are being rational, and anyone who cannot see the interchangeablity of the concepts is being irrational, and there will be no convincing you you have bent reality to suit your ideology.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:38 amWhen Barrett is not single handedly saving Tunisia, heis a self appointed pompous arrogant blowhard that lines to be the spokesdouche for Anonymous.
JD (b0764b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:38 amMilhouse: Are we talking about modern American liberals or the 20th century liberals who actually did shit? I only have direct experience with former, but I have more than I’d like due to certain stuff I do. Trying real hard to come up with these terrible liberal acts of violence that some of you are so worried about, unless you’re referring to Obama’s ongoing prosecution of the poorly-run war that someone started (forgot who, it’s been over a decade).
Narciso: It’s more complicated than that, but I am incorrectly referred to as the “spokesman” or even the “leader” of Anonymous quite a bit in the press, yes, and also work with other, more formal groups. And unlike most people, I have first-hand experience with the state’s initiation of force via my father’s indictment when I was a child and my own FBI raid in March (something that your old party comrade Charles Johnson and his little friends had been asking the FBI for since early 2011).
Icy:
“Our founders placed 2nd Amendment right after 1st Amendment for a reason
– Is it because 2 follows 1? Gee, I sure wish that The Count were still alive so that we could solicit his expertise on this one!”
Do not address me again.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:43 amRoland, I seriously doubt you are familiar with myself, my written and activist work, and my stated opinions to such an extent that you’d be able to determine whether or not I am in the habit of avoiding facts that run contrary to any ideology to which I may be committed. I changed ideologies very suddenly and multiple times in my teens based on new information, experiences, study, events, etc, and continue to refine them as I get older, which is why with exception of a few issues, I express different views and very different emphases in things I wrote ten years ago compared to today. Please exhibit good faith, especially when you yourself lack the info to go on (by which I mean that I’ve said nothing today that indicates I just ignore contrary facts, incidents, unlike those including Pat who decided to claim that a guy who brings a knife to a protest is somehow indicative of something that a guy who brings a gun to a protest is not, which is obviously ludicrous and only acceptable because this is a venue of a given political orientation, and even one of the other commenters has been good enough to agree on that).
“An armed society is a polite society.” – Heinlein
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:49 amMhm.
Karl Childers (75a1ff) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:51 amI picked up a Kukri that was sittin’ there by the screen door.
Some folks call it a machete,
I call it a Kukri.
Mhm.
http://www.dmagazine.com/Home/D_Magazine/2011/April/How_Barrett_Brown_Helped_Overthrow_the_Government_of_Tunisia.aspx
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:51 amWow, he’s like EPWJ and tye all rolled into one, sprinkled with Saul Alinsky, some Che Guevara revolutionary salad dressing ‘on the side,’ naturally, and a slice of that angry tomato Sean Penn when confronted by dangerous photographers armed to the teeth with…cameras !
Oh, and nuts…this is one of those salads that comes with chopped nuts !
The drink being served is none other than…Kool-Aid ! Although after a few minutes more of the ranting patron at Table 6, I think paying customers seated at other tables in the vicinity may begin to order some stiff drinks. And the waiter and maitre’d will probably want to join them.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:52 amThese matters may be obvious to you but I’m slow.
— It takes a village, including . . .
the powers that be know how easily conservatives are distracted from their fake anti-government bullshit, whereas Occupy is connected to the only real, successful anti-government movement in the U.S., the one that’s not all talk – anarchism as put forward by Anonymous and many of us involved in other entities connected to Wikileaks
— Just in case anyone was still unsure as to where this guy stands.
your true allegiance is to your tribal political affiliation, rather than principles or honesty
— I’m guessing that in your anarchist view of things there is NO possibility whatsoever that our “tribe” actually adheres to principles or honesty; right?
and love when the state spies on us with AT&T
— So, switch your tin-foil hat provider to T-Mobile. Problem solved.
Good to meet you, always nice to visit once a year or so.
— Is this a work release, or a furlough?
Note that I am not exactly some crazy person shouting nonsense
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:53 am— No, not at all . . . you’d have to be typing in ALL CAPS to be “shouting”.
Careful, cowboy Barrett might devote a chapter in his upcoming EPIC book to you.
JD (b0764b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:58 amDo not address me again.
The King of the Douchenozzles has spoken. So it has been written, so it shall be done.
JD (b0764b) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:59 amThat’s ridiculous. Anarcho-capitalism is the pure distilled essence of what we’re supposed to be about. Our whole point is that government power is bad; anarchists just take it to its logical conclusion. If we disagree with the extent to which they take it, then arguing with them is vital, not to convince them but to test the validity of our arguments and our reasons for not agreeing with them.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:00 amTake David Friedman or Eric Raymond, for instance. Putting them in the same basket as communists and pacifists seems insane.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:01 amI am not pretending to be a Republican and openly mock anyone who supports that party
— Good for you. BTW, I do not pretend to be a Republican either.
As for some of your other questions, particularly the one involving state officials who do things they’re not supposed to do that you actually seem to be challenging me on, see Holder’s Department of Justice and particularly the Team Themis affair.
— I did not ask you ANY questions about state officials. None.
I am not here to debate people of your educational background
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:07 am— Okay, this should prove amusing. WHAT do you think my “educational background” is, Mr. B?
Maybe I want to be a chapter in someone’s book.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:08 amIndeed, Milhouse, Raymond would kick one’s ass for doing so.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:09 am” … your old party comrade Charles Johnson and his little friends …”
Utterly clueless, this Brown is.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:10 amIs that anything like Team Jacob?
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:11 amSPQR #72,
That is probably true but, in general, I support limits on the rights of people who have been committed or have a mental health hold. What I’m concerned about is limiting the rights of people just because they have been diagnosed with a specific condition. That strikes me as a dangerous and slippery slope.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:11 amI also recall that the guy doing open carry of the AR-15 checked in with the police and the Secret Service to make sure he wasn’t causing a problem and they said he was fine, being over a half mile from anywhere the president was going to be (and the president being indoors).
Whereas the guy with the machete/kukri hid his weapon and fought when challenged.
luagha (5cbe06) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:12 amBarrett, I wasn’t saying you were ignoring contrary facts. It is the interpretation of the facts where things go awry. Disagreements about facts can be bridged. Different fundamental understandings of the way the world works usually cannot be bridged.
For instance, I made a comment about how if you got from the Courts what you think is the correct reading of the 2nd Amendment, then the country would quickly pass a Constitutional Amendment controlling guns, and it would probably control them much more than they already are.
I think (with life experience based reason, including my understandings of human nature and societies and cultures and the particulars of the modern American voter) that is a metaphysical certainty, but it is not a “fact,” so there is no way for me to prove it to you. So where’s the point in further debate when we see the fundamentals so differently?
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:13 amSarah:
That’s a pretty broad brush you’re painting with.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:14 amIf 70% of President Obama’s followers are “fake” it should be possible to look at them, and see what’s going on.
Are a lot of people (or e-mail accounts at Obama and Democrat headquarters) being encouraged to sign on to Twitter to receive updates?
Is there something you can click on somewhere that will sign you on to Twitter, if you are not now on Twitter, and follow Obama’s tweets?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:14 amSammy,
I don’t think you can “Follow” someone on Twitter without being registered as a Twitter user. You can read the tweets but you can’t Follow.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:17 amThe president’s twitter followers–fake or otherwise– are not high on my list of concerns or interest.
elissa (a7d02a) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:17 amThe protester was saying you can restrict guns, and maybe other weapons, but you can’t restrict where they can be carried.
Since it was legal to possess a hatchet, it should be legal to possess it inside the RNC Event Zone.
There really shouldn’t be such a thing as an “RNC Event Zone”
That was his position.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:20 amI mean after all, it wasn’t the Florida state legislature that established the “RNC Event Zone.’
It was some….dam…Republicans!
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:21 amSorry, Milhouse, but you do not understand how ideological thinking works. Going To The Extreme kind of thinking is more likely to result in the “freedom” loving anarchist becoming a radical leftist than his becoming a conservative. You can even see that with Barrett’s loathing of the GOP more than he dislikes the Democrats. He hardly mentions them.
It may be that Barrett is an exception (as he has pointed out, I do not actually know much about him), but it is rarely the particular points of ideology that drive them. Those are just mental supports for what they want to do. What they really want to do is to give The Man the finger.
And that is the GOP. The GOP is responsible and mean, just like Dad.
Roland (5ff18d) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:24 amComment by MD in Philly — 8/27/2012 @ 9:05 am
So Stalin wasn’t a “liberal”, he certainly wasn’t right wing, so what was he?
In his time, they used to say the extremes of the political spectrum (Nazis and Communists, Nazis being supposedly on the far right, Communists on the far left) are the same.
A generation later Leonid Brezhnev was a “conservative” and William F. Buckley complained about it.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:26 amSammy–there was a “Nato summit event zone” in June. Event zones are for security and safety of the attendees during entrance and egress. The DNC will have one too. The Oscars red carpet has an event zone.
elissa (a7d02a) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:29 amRoland: Thanks for clarification, I agree with you a bit more than I let on in the process of trying to get you compare the two Constitutional issues and perhaps look a bit differently at how one can perhaps teach us about the other. As you probably know, libertarians and anarchists (and others who tend to interpret 2nd Amendment more broadly than not) have to contend with the question of whether a state should be allowed to stop individuals from owning certain levels of weapons, such as atom bombs in the extreme hypothetical, and one of the reasons I tend to qualify my anarchism is that such questions are hard at the least, and provide a lesson as to why states can serve crucial functions that humanity needs simply for survival at this time – although I do always note that only a state would create something like an atom bomb, and only a series of them would prompt death of 100 million in WW2 plus however many tens of millions in Soviet/Nazi/Chinese territories, but then that still doesn’t answer the question; it merely reminds us all that government often is the problem, to one extent or another.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:29 amNo, Stalin took Lenin to the logical extent, if the party vanguard is necessary to guide the proletariat, then logically everyone else is expendable.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:29 amSammy,
There is a Florida law that prohibits “city and county governments from enacting or enforcing local gun-control regulations.” My question is whether the RNC event restriction was a city, county, state or federal restriction. Do you know?
My guess is it was state or federal, or both.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:30 am“I’m from the planet with all the liberals who hate guns and think violence is always wrong.”
Barrett Brown – Sure, but some property damage or business interference, that doesn’t hurt anybody and is fair game, right?
I am so happy to hear that you are evolving in your views, just like the president.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:33 amit merely reminds us all that government often is the problem, to one extent or another
“Government is not the solution to our problem. Government IS the problem” — Ronald Reagan
— Wow! I guess he wasn’t so bad after all. Hmmm?
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:37 amThe Mayor of Tampa attempted to suspend concealed-carry for the RNC event, but was slapped-down, with some vigah, by the Gov.
I can only imagine, having staffed a few high-profile events where the SS was involved, that a “No Weapons” policy was put in place by them, which they have the right to do within the Security Perimeter that they establish for whomever they are detailed to protect.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:37 amBarrett
So if i had a glock last month in Colorado and I decided to go to a movie in a Denver Suburb.
would I be a hero, or would i be charged with a weapons violation when i shot that nutbag in the face.
since we are talking hypo..
EPWJ (e83e82) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:42 amSammy,
I tried to find it at the Convention website but the main portal seems to be down right now — perhaps routine maintenance or under some kind of attack.
By the way, here is the revised Schedule of convention speakers. Romney and Ryan will be nominated Tuesday by 6:30 PM, followed by several good speakers Tuesday night — including Mia B. Love, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Artur Davis, Ann Romney, and keynote speaker Chris Christie.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:47 am100. Comment by DRJ — 8/27/2012 @ 10:17 am
I don’t think you can “Follow” someone on Twitter without being registered as a Twitter user. You can read the tweets but you can’t Follow.
I was wondering if someone , somewhere, had automated or semi-automated the process of registering on Twitter and simultaneously, following the Obama tweets.
And you wouldn’t even need that. A lot of people are` on both Facebook and Twitter, or receive campaign e-mail.
Some e-mails have links like this:
Eyewitness News on Twitter
Follow Eyewitness News on Twitter!
And you get to this:
https://twitter.com/eyewitnessnyc?cmp=emc-wabc-Todays_7_Community_Update-082712-snippet1img-7121244
(that e-mail can be viewed as a web page and that is the link I sent)
I don’t know if you register on Twitter with that.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:48 amHere, let me remind you. I’m talking about the violence at the 2008 Republican convention; the bomb plot, the bricks thrown through bus windows, the sandbags dropped off overpasses, the beatings, broken windows, molotov cocktails, the floor invasion, the bloodthirsty mob chasing Michelle Malkin, etc. I’m talking about the SEIU thugs who beat Kenneth Gladney. The D official who beat Randy Arthur. The SEIU mob who terrorised Jack Baer. I’m talking about the people who burned down Sarah Palin’s church, and the Texas governor’s mansion. I’m talking about the regular riots every time the WTO meets somewhere. The shooting at the FRC just recently. The mob who trashed that restaurant in Chicago during the NATO summit. This incident just a fortnight ago. Need I go on? This happens all the time. And there is nothing like that on the right.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:49 amI also got, at one time: (from the same television station)
0023&cmp=emc-wabc-Behind_the_News_with_Bill_Ritter-011712-viewHtmlVersion
Subscribe to my page on Facebook at facebook.com/billritter.wabc.
Now there you have to log in (or sign up)
I think it’s possible a lot of the accounts following Obama might be dead accounts.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:49 amDaleyrocks: Most of that property destruction comes from my sort of people, not your Democratic opponents or even “liberals” of the sort that everything is ascribed to. To the extent that it’s directed at private enterprise, it’s wrong. To the extent that it’s directed at any entity that engages in relatively high collusion with the state, it’s acceptable in principle to me (although hard to argue that it really does any good). To you, I’m sure it’s much more worrisome than the mass destruction of life that’s entailed by wars run by the incompetent and abetted by the even more incompetent, like the ones that just killed some hundred thousand civilians and thousands of Americans while their stated purposes, uh, “evolved,” as you put it, in accordance with political cover. Perhaps you noticed that particular “evolution,” or perhaps you didn’t. If not, it would help to explain why a conservative has the balls to bring up “evolving views” during a Romney election. Some people have short, selective memories, and all of them appear to have internet connections.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:49 am“Actually, Pat, the “fringe left” – by which I suppose you mean those who think the Republican Party is worth protesting – doesn’t do these things differently at all.”
Barrett Brown – So far the only evidence you have thrown out there is a man legally carrying a rifle at a rally in Arizona, some neonazis defending an Occupy rally and unrelated BS about Bradley Manning and Wikileaks.
Where are your examples of Republican or conservative protests comparable to Occupy or the Democrat violence at the 2008 Republican National Convention? Surely you have a myriad of on point illustrations to prove your original point.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:50 am106. Comment by elissa — 8/27/2012 @ 10:29 am
Sammy–there was a “Nato summit event zone” in June. Event zones are for security and safety of the attendees during entrance and egress. The DNC will have one too. The Oscars red carpet has an event zone.
I know. These have existed for a good number of years.. But those people live in a tunnel, or are semi-anarchists. Or have been put up to that by people who know more than they do.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:51 am114. Comment by DRJ — 8/27/2012 @ 10:47 am
Sammy,
I tried to find it at the Convention website but the main portal seems to be down right now — perhaps routine maintenance or under some kind of attack.
Tried to find what?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:53 amfollowed by several good speakers Tuesday night — including Mia B. Love, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Artur Davis, Ann Romney, and keynote speaker Chris Christie.
That may be worth seeing. I love the picture of Mia Love on the PowerLine home page. A real intense, I’m not here to play around look to her.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:54 am“Daleyrocks: Most of that property destruction comes from my sort of people, not your Democratic opponents or even “liberals” of the sort that everything is ascribed to. To the extent that it’s directed at private enterprise, it’s wrong.”
Barrett Brown – Don’t make assumptions about my views and you were the one who introduced you own evolving views into the thread, not me. Maybe your drug use has fogged your brain and you need reminders of what you wrote in comments just a short time ago.
Go ahead and make your case that the property damage committed which you acknowledge make such events no different from conservative protests. That after all was the topic of the post.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:56 am“To the extent that it’s directed at private enterprise, it’s wrong.”
Barrett Brown – People who actually pay taxes and have to pay for the replacement of public sector property destroyed during infantile political protests might not share your nuanced view.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 10:59 amNarciso: “No, Stalin took Lenin to the logical extent, if the party vanguard is necessary to guide the proletariat, then logically everyone else is expendable.”
No. Lenin took Lenin to the logical extent even before Stalin had occasion to kill even more people. Lenin repeatedly expressed those same “principles” and acted upon them to the extent he was able during the early years of the Soviet hold, and only killed less due to combo of somewhat weak state engine recovering from WWI and civil war as well as not seeing it necessary to kill more than he did. Didn’t know the full extent of his murderous nature until recently myself, happen to be reading “Utopia in Power” right now.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:00 amI certainly do understand it, perhaps better than you. You obviously don’t know any anarcho-capitalists. Again I give you the famous examples of David Friedman and Eric Raymond. I’ve known Eric for about 20 years now, and there’s not a leftist bone in his body. How can anyone who is against the initiation of force become a leftist, which is all about the initiation of force?
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:02 amSpeaking of damages and mess caused by DEMOCRATS, I submit to you Al Gore Announcing the “Sore/Loserman” ticket in Green Bay, WI, at Bay Beach Park in 2000. I don’t think the Democraps ever reimbursed Green Bay for that cleanup.
Next is the Protests in the Wisconsin Capitol building where Liberal Democraps made a mess, damaged the facility, and paid nothing.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:04 amlike the ones that just killed some hundred thousand civilians and thousands of Americans
— Please be sure to note that approximately 9% of those hundred thousand civilians were killed by coalition forces. The other 91 percent . . .
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:04 amDaleyrocks: I actually pay quite a bit in taxes, which is one reason I prefer not to have the Keyboard Commandos calling for lots of multi-trillion dollar wars that they’ll just forget about anyway, another reason being that people in my family actually have to fight the fucking things. Unlike a certain population of a certain global power I could name, anarchists do their own violence. Also, if you can point me to a single instance in which you’ve complained of your tax dollars going to things like war and drug law enforcement/imprisonment, both of which obviously take more of our money and which often leave actual people dead or incarcerated without them having done anything to merit that, please let me know. Otherwise, let’s not talk to each other anymore, ever.
Barrett Brown (f49d2e) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:06 amWell if you’re going to let facts interfere with the ‘narrative’ Icy, then there’s no point to the exercise, yes one strives to avoid civilian casualties, the others gauge their success by how
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:08 amhigh the body count is.
By the way, here is the revised Schedule of convention speakers. Romney and Ryan will be nominated Tuesday by 6:30 PM, followed by several good speakers Tuesday night — including Mia B. Love, Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Artur Davis, Ann Romney, and keynote speaker Chris Christie.
An incomplete schedule was published in the Wall Street Journal today. (page A4)
I can’t seem to find it online.
It seems like Gingrich and Santorum and Scott Walker will all be speaking. Earlier it was thought they wouldn’t be. Ron Paul will be represented by a film.
The Romney campaign seems to like Puerto Rico very much as examples of Hispanics I guess – both the Governor and First Lady will be speaking.
Romney and Ryan will both be nominated by roll call votes on Tuesday. (during the day, outside of prime time, but viewable by livestream, so the networks are once again going gavel to gavel, but only on the Internet)
Even if they can’t do that, they poured over the rule books and they figured out a way to get them both nominated even if they have to cancel all the days (if I understood that story right)
The only things I think that will broadcast on network television are what’s at the 10 PM hour.
Tuesday we have the first lady of Puerto Rico and Ann Romney.
Wednesday we have former Secretary of Stgate Condoleeza Rice (whom we were told was a hit at a meeting for Romnney contributors and New Mexico Governor Susanna Martinez and Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech
Thursday we have Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:09 amBy the way, slab-o-text, there was absolutely no need to put the word “principles” in quotes just then. Who’s the edumacated one, now?
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:11 amWhy were they pouring? Did their A/C break down?
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:14 amEarlier we have:
Tuesday 2 PM. Opening remarks by Reince Priebus (RNC Chairman) and Sharon day (co-Chairman) and Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn.
Convention committee reports.
Roll call votes
7 PM: John Boehner and Rick Santorum
8 PM: Kelly Ayotte (NH Sen)
John Kasich (Ohio Gov)
Mary Fallin (Okla Gov)
Bob McDonnell (Virginia Gov)
Scott Walker (Wis. Governor)
9 PM: Brian Sandoval (Nev Governor)
Nikki Haley (SC Gov)
And then of course Luce Vela Fortuno (the Puerto Rican First Lady) and Ann Romney
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:15 amnarciso, I’m still trying to understand how a series of atom bombs prompted the deaths of “many tens of millions in Soviet/Nazi/Chinese territories”.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:17 amOnly if you use the flux capacitor, and the Toynbee convector.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:18 amAside:
The first anarchist to identify his politics as Libertarian was Joseph Déjacque, who used the term in an 1857 letter criticizing Proudhon for his support of individual ownership of the product of labor.
Déjacque wrote: …it is not the product of his or her labor that the worker has a right to, but to the satisfaction of his or her needs, whatever may be their nature.
Ron Paul’s followers may wish to disagree, but the origins of political libertarianism were once rooted in the fertile soil of collectivist anarchism.
ropelight (ecd5c4) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:24 amYour fuller schedule at
http://www.gopconvention2012.com/news-press/press-releases/republican-convention-releases-revised-convention-week-schedule/
adds Chris Christie to the 10 PM hour on Tuesday.
Wednesday we have:
7 PM: Ron Paul video
Mitch McConnell (Sen Min leader) – also convention temporary chairman)
Ran Paul (Kent Sen and son of Ron Paul)
8PM: John McCain (2008 nominee and Arizona Sen)
[You have also Pam Bondi?!]
Bobby Jindal (except that he’s decided to stay home while a hurricane maybe hits New Orleans again)
John Thune (S. Dak Sen, who defeated Tom Daschle in 2004)
Rob Portman (Ohio Sen who was considered a possible VP pick whom it was said Romney got along with but apparently he got along even better with Paul Ryan – both know a lot about the federal budget)
9 PM. Luis Fortuno (Puerto Rican Gov – his wife scheduled for Tuesday 10 PM)
Tim Pawlenty (Minn Gov and former Pres candidate and touted as VP both in 2008 and 2012
Former President George H W. Bush (the elder)
Former President George W. Bush film
Mike Huckabee (2008 Pres candidate and talk show host)
And of course
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:29 amnarciso: Er, I’m obviously quite well aware that vast majority of casualties were caused by the militants unleashed by regime overthrow. Many of the other folks that you believe yourself to be smarter than actually predicted it in the public record only to be told it wouldn’t happen. Then it was downplayed and denied in early stages, then middle stages, and even now plenty would like to forget how wrong they were. Unless you were among those who called it correctly, you probably need to avoid the subject. The bottom line is that they are dead because the U.S. made a decision with the intention of achieving certain results that were not achieved in anything close to the manner that they expected. Also, I do request that when talking to me over the internet, you not just write whatever nonsense comes into your head, but rather think about what you’re going to write and whether or not it is foolish, aside from the point, easy to make fun of, or combinations thereof. Thank you. Please see Milhouse’s comments for the standard you should be shooting for. If this were my blog I’d be embarrassed as shit by you and this Icy guy, and to a lesser extent DaleyRocks and of course JD (who has an excuse, he’s actively hated me and written nonsense about me for four years and has had to watch me gradually succeed in the same fields in which his friend Jeff Goldstein has failed, to such an extent that I feel bad about even making fun of the guy, so he can’t help acting as he does).
Barrett Brown (fdb02e) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:33 amRubbish. The origins of political libertarianism are with the Anti Corn Law League, which derived from Adam Smith, and thus from Locke, and the same sources that the American founders used.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:35 amSammy Finkelman wrote,”The Romney campaign seems to like Puerto Rico very much as examples of Hispanics I guess – both the Governor and First Lady will be speaking…”
———————–
As “examples of Hispanics”?
What are you smoking ?
Uh, dude, they ARE Hispanics.
But I don’t think the Romney Camp sees the Fortunos as examples of Hispanics, rather, I think he sees them as examples of good hard-working conservative voices who need to be heard. Fortuno is a very impressive man, as is his wife.
Your characterization of the Fortunos as merely superficial “examples of Hispanics” is demeaning to the Fortunos, as well as Romney.
Sammy, let’s try to move past the Democrat lens of seeing people as nothing more than members of a group.
Brian Sandoval will also be speaking at the Convention, as will Marco Rubio.
All of them are merit-worthy.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:35 amThe satisfaction of his or her needs at whose expense? That’s not libertarian, it’s socialist.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:36 am(Wed 10 PM): Condoleeza Rice, Susanna Martinez and Paul Ryan
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:42 am“The origins of political libertarianism are with the Anti Corn Law League, which derived from Adam Smith, and thus from Locke, and the same sources that the American founders used.”
Milhouse – Rubbish. Good luck finding agreement on the origins of libertarianism.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:51 amMr. Brown, you can peddle your nonsense at Radley’s and Billy’s. We are mostly old enough to have our own ideas, here. And to know more than you.
If we are going to fight… if “Hispanic” is not an insult, it should be. Like “negroid” or “mongoloid”. “Hispanic” may denote a language group, it does not denote an ethnic, cultural, national, or racial group. A Mexican is not a Puerto Rican and neither is an Argentinian, and none of them are Hispanic.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 11:59 amClergymen:
Rabbi Meir Soloveichik will be the first clergyman – Tuesday afternoon. (He comes from a famous Rabbinical family. He is now associate rabbi at Congregation Kehilath Jeshurun on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, and reported to be a top candidate for the post of British chief rabbi to replace the retiring Rabbi Jonathan Sacks after Sept 2013. He is also a writer in Commentary and the director of the Straus Center for Torah and Western Thought at Yeshiva University. Nachama Soloveichik, of the Club for Growth, who was lured away by her former boss Pat Toomey to become press secretary when he ran for the Senate in 2009, is his sister. The Club for Growth opposed Huckabee in 2008)
Hispanic evangelical leader Sammy Rodriguez will close things off on Tuesday.
Wednesday:
Ishwar Singh (a leader in Central Florida’s Sikh community, who approached the convention organizers after the massacre at the Sikh Temple) will open things up on Wednesday.
And “Benediction by Archbishop Demetrios” (primate of the Greek Orthodox Church in America) at the end of the 10 PM hour.
Final day:
Ken and Priscilla Hutchins, the president and matron (respectively) of the Mormon temple in Romney’s home base of Boston will open things up on Thursday.
And Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan (head of New York’s Roman Catholic Archdiocese) will be the next last person to speak before House Speaker John Boehner declares the convention adjourned.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:01 pmwell said! i don’t care what their race may be.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:02 pmComment by Elephant Stone — 8/27/2012 @ 11:35 am
Your characterization of the Fortunos as merely superficial “examples of Hispanics” is demeaning to the Fortunos, as well as Romney.
That’s what they’re there for. I don’t say that’s all there is to them, but what other Governor gets not only to speak, but to have his wife speak too??
And there are no Electoral votes in Puerto Rico.
This is clearly designed to appeal to Hispanics: “Yes, you too, can be a Republican.
Sammy, let’s try to move past the Democrat lens of seeing people as nothing more than members of a group.
Well, they may be more than just members of a group, but that seems to be why Romney highlighted them.
Brian Sandoval will also be speaking at the Convention, as will Marco Rubio.
And Susana Martinez.
Loads of Hispanic speakers.
Now the thing is, the immigration issue is not salient for Puerto Ricans, who are all U.S. citizens, and illegal immigration is not a problem for Cubans, who get automatic amnesty if they can make it to land. they would be more interested in making legal immigration easier (although Castro stops a lot there is still a limitation on this end)
The problems the Republicans have, or will have, with Hispanics really are with other kinds of Hispanics.
All of them are merit-worthy
I’m not arguing. And it might be the people that the Democrats feature have nothing going for them but an ability to follow the party line.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:10 pmKukri, not machete. Nepalese.
Space Cockroach (8096f2) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:18 pmHow about Columba ‘nee Gallo’ Bush, George, Noelle, and John Bush. They gonna be there?
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:28 pmPerhaps the youngest clergyman at the convention (correct me if you know of one younger) is Rabbi Yosef Abrahamson, 20, who is a staffer for Rep. Lee Terry (R-NE), and a page at the convention. He was also a page at the 2008 convention.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:33 pmSammy, the Fortunos are not there as window-dressing. They’re going to be speaking because they are strong voices for conservatism. Fortuno is a serious reformer. The fact that Puerto Rico does not have any electoral votes is proof of the fact they were invited due to merit rather than to pick off some easy votes for Romney by the Fortunos’ constituents back home in Puerto Rico.
The way you phrased it that they’re merely perceived as “examples of Hispanics” was tacky.
You need to edit yourself for length, as well as content.
I mean, did you really write the sentence,”The problems the Republicans have, or will have, with Hispanics really are with other kinds of Hispanics.”
Exactly what are the characteristics of “other kinds of Hispanics” ?
Do they have horns growing out of their heads ? Can they fly ?
I don’t know if you realize your contradiction…on the one hand, you assert Romney just wants the Fortunos up there on stage because they’re Hispanics who may appeal to Hispanic voters in general…then, on the other hand, you’re saying Romney is pandering to the “wrong kinds” of Hispanics (Puerto Ricans) since Puerto Rico does not vote in the election.
This is the problem with racial identity politics…it’s absurd, and it’s a verbal obstacle course that is easy to trip on.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:35 pmWhat exactly did Michael Mann threaten?
Has he not heard of New York Times v Sullivan?
The linked article did not explain the basis for a possible lawsuit.
Or is he claiming that National Review has published some outright obvious lies about him, so that it amounts to reckless disregard for the truth or outright malice? (deliberate lies)
Now they can review what they published and maybe tone something down, I don’t know.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:42 pmExcuse me? How is it not obvious what he’s claiming he will sue for? NR accused him of fraud. That is per se defamation, if it isn’t true. He claims it isn’t true, and that they have good reason to know it isn’t true; if that were so, he’d have a very good case against them and could easily recover serious damages. The only flaw is that he is a fraud, and discovery will let them find the smoking gun that will prove it so.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:45 pmThere is no per se defamation of public figures, Milhouse, for a long time now, Milhouse. And accusation of fraud, unless it was theft by fraud, was never one of the per ses.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:54 pmAnd there are no “serious” damages. There are actual damages.
The things you can publish on the internet. Thank you, Al Gore.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 12:56 pmSammy:
I was trying to have a conversation with you in my comments 109 and 114, and the “it” in 114 was a reference to what I’d said in 109. At this point, never mind.
In addition, I linked the GOP Convention Schedule at the words “revised Schedule” in my comment 114. You reprinted part of my comment, including the portion with the link, in your comment 129 — and you added that you couldn’t find the online schedule.
Do you understand how links work, Sammy? It’s fine if you don’t because we all had to learn sometime, and I’m sure many commenters here (including me) would be glad to help you learn more about links if you don’t understand how they work. It would be really helpful if you would include links instead of pasting so much text in your comments.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 1:20 pmMilhouse, I failed to specify European political libertarianism in my comment #135, since Libertarianism’s origins lie outside the US where it’s often considered to be closely associated with collectivist anarchism.
From Wikipedia: Libertarianism
ropelight (ecd5c4) — 8/27/2012 @ 1:22 pmSammy,
I have to respectfully echo what DRJ was saying.
It would be considerate of both Patterico’s bandwidth (that he pays for !) as well as consideration toward readers if you would provide links rather than cutting & pasting enormous swaths of text from other sources. A number of readers have politely requested this in the past, but you simply don’t seem to relate to what people are communicating to you.
Thank you.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 1:30 pm“The use of the word “libertarian” to describe a set of political positions can be tracked to the French cognate, libertaire, which was coined in 1857 by French anarchist Joseph Déjacque who used the term to distinguish his libertarian communist approach from the mutualism advocated by Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.”
ropelight – Other sources trace usage back to 1789, which is why I made the point about there being a lack of agreement on the philosophy’s origins. Current believers seem to want to associate with the good and disassociate from the bad, which is completely understandable, but hardly speaks to noble motives.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 1:58 pmWhat happened to tireless self-promoter Barrett Brown?
Was it too much to ask for him to support his original assertion?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:12 pm154. Comment by DRJ — 8/27/2012 @ 1:20 pm
I missed comment 109 and only saw comment 114. It is obvious anyway – you wanted to find the source of the restricted zone.
you added that you couldn’t find the online schedule.
I couldn’t find what the Wall Street Journal had printed. I thought what I had might be different.
It appears what you have is the same information as the WSJ. Only the WSJ contains less, and highlights things.
Both still have Governor Bobby Jindal speaking on Tuesday.
It would be really helpful if you would include links instead of pasting so much text in your comments.
In that case I couldn’t because I only had the paper and could not find the same thing online
I did later find what you linked to. I do know how links work but they sometimes take time to load, or get lost in another window. I linked it again (more clearly) at 136.
I think I need to use FireFox to link with a title instead of the whole URL. That doesn’t seem to work with Internet Explorer. That’s actually been clear for a long time.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:19 pmComment by Elephant Stone — 8/27/2012 @ 12:35 pm
did you really write the sentence,”The problems the Republicans have, or will have, with Hispanics really are with other kinds of Hispanics.”
Exactly what are the characteristics of “other kinds of Hispanics” ?
Do they have horns growing out of their heads ? Can they fly ?
They are concerned about the immigration issue.
That’s what killing the Republican Party among Hispanics, but this does not affect Puerto Ricans.
And Cubans are only affected by policies toward legal immigration and visitor’s visas since Cubans cannot be illegal immigrants – they get legalized as soon as they arrive (although since 1980 they have been intercepted on the water)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:23 pmI don’t know if you realize your contradiction…on the one hand, you assert Romney just wants the Fortunos up there on stage because they’re Hispanics who may appeal to Hispanic voters in general…then, on the other hand, you’re saying Romney is pandering to the “wrong kinds” of Hispanics (Puerto Ricans) since Puerto Rico does not vote in the election.
That’s right.
Puerto Ricans do vote but they are not a special problem.
Well maybe that could help in Florida. There are Puerto Ricans there.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:25 pmSince when? The only difference between public and private figures is that the former have to prove malice.
It is when the subject is an academic. It adversely reflects on his fitness to conduct his business or trade.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:28 pmWhich may or may not be serious.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:38 pmThe Anti Corn Law League was also outside the USA, in case you never noticed. I’ve read the WP article; I’m not impressed by its claims, but have no desire to fight the pitched battle that it would take to change it.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:40 pmJust type <a href=”your url goes here”>your title goes here</a>. That will work in any browser.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:43 pmRomney’s problems with Hispanics are out west: Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico.
Similarly California but that’s a lost cause. And Texas is safe.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 8/27/2012 @ 2:44 pmDaleyRocks: I left because I had other things to do. But now I’m back to post this, which of course doesn’t have any wider implications on the mentality of conservatives like the fact that a guy had a knife on him at a protest had regarding people who don’t like the RNC (the “fringe left,” as Patterico calls them in his innocence). I’ve been on a conservative blog before so I know how these things work; clearly the Obama-targeting Army men are liberals themselves, which will explain their violence.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/fear_militia_georgia.php
Barrett Brown (4b8b35) — 8/27/2012 @ 3:14 pmHush, you verbose self-important narcissist.
JD (b0764b) — 8/27/2012 @ 3:19 pmSammy,
We’re in agreement about most of these things, but all I’m trying to point out is that you’re talking about human beings as if they’re part of the dewey decimal system.
One librarian at a library may catalogue book X with this number which corresponds with this sub-heading, while the very same book may be catalogued with a totally different number in a library on the other side of the country. (This does happen—it’s not hypothetical.)
I think the best way to appeal to voters of all colors and nationalities, is to appeal to the human desire to improve one’s lot in life. That is an idea that resonates across the globe. After all, immigrants wouldn’t leave their homeland unless they were seeking an improved quality of life.
That being said, we should avoid using language such as “the wrong kind of Hispanics.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 3:36 pmIt’s tacky-sounding, even if it might be in an innocent context in a discussion about “voting blocks.”
(the “fringe left,” as Patterico calls them in his innocence)
— Agreed!
Whack jobs are a lot more common on the left than Patterico would like to admit.
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 3:57 pm169. I meant since Puerto Rico has no Electoral votes, the appeal has to be to Hispanics. But they lumped them all together.
Sammy Finkelman (a69e24) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:02 pmBarrett Brown,
Sir, I don’t understand what your vision is.
If you seek anarchy, that means there would be no law enforcement or judicial system to cater to murderers, rapists, and thieves, nor even to arbitrate contract disputes. Civilization would devolve into a dog eat dog world ruled by the most “successful” warlords and barbarians. Think of Afghanistan.
Our founding fathers had the best plan for limited governance, recognizing there are aspects of governance that are necessary in order to maintain civilization. And as James Madison famously said, “If men were angels, there wouldn’t be a need for a Constitution.”
Enforcement of contracts and deeds are important to the viability and stability of a monetary system in addition to the flow of an economy. A good economy is predicated on predictability to a degree. If two parties who sign a contract with one another for a good or service know that the contract is worthless in the sense that it is not backed up by a court of law, how do you think that might affect the outcome ? Farmers, manufacturers, artisans, craftsmen all need to know where the proverbial goalposts are so they can plan accordingly. We need law enforcement and courts and a penal system to uphold the validity of contracts.
The absence of government—that is to say, “anarchy,”—does not mean that there will be an absence of government.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:02 pmAll the “absence of government” is is a void…it’s a vaccuum, and it will inevitably be filled by warlords, barbarians, and strong men who identify the absence of consequences for their actions.
Milhouse,
We already have enough ignorance, lies, nonsense, and misinformation on the internet. We do not need yours, too.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:05 pmI was reading an article about giant pink vaginas..
here is the link!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tampa-republican-conventions-code-pink-vagina-protesters-365541
Alissa Dirks (a95d6f) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:29 pm“DaleyRocks: I left because I had other things to do. But now I’m back”
Barrett Brown – That is fantastic news! I am waiting with bated breath support the assertion you made at the beginning of your first comment on this thread.
Proceed when ready.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:42 pmsupport for the assertion
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:43 pm169. I meant since Puerto Rico has no Electoral votes, the appeal has to be to Hispanics. But they lumped them all together.
Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 8/27/2012 @ 4:02 pm
— Worse yet, Lumpy, there’s NO such thing as a Puerto Rican-American! I’m with you; I don’t get why they’re wasting time by presenting their message to “everybody.” Focus, people!
Icy (9d4709) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:50 pmyes indeed The Lord
works in mysterious ways
samuel L jackson
Samuel L. Jackson asks why Republicans ‘spared’ by tropical storm…
http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/245767-samuel-l-jackson-asks-why-rnc-spared-by-isaac
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 4:55 pmColonel,
Is Samuel L.(oser) Jackson implying that God wanted Hurricane Katrina to hit New Orleans in 2005 ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:07 pm“GOP spared by Isaac! NOLA prolly f—– again!”
— Samuel L. Jackson
And that, folks, is the actor whose films have brought in more money at the box office than any other actor over the past 20 years.
Bravo, sir!
Bravo.
Icy (af241f) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:09 pmNothing spells out credibility for me more than a woman dressed in a giant vagina costume holding up a sign that says “Respect Women.”
Grandpa, what are all these pictures about? Is that grandma in that silly pink costume?
Yes kids, before we had your grandma committed she used to travel around the country and dress up in a giant vajayjay costume. Don’t ask me why. Ask your mom what that means and why she did it.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:15 pmNick Fury, would slap the heck out of him for this
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:15 pmstupid statement.
Colonel – There be cannibals there.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:16 pmDang it, I thought I was the resident verbose self-important narcissist.
Well, I guess I am, come to think of it.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:16 pmIf God liked New Orleans, He would not have filled her with prostitutes, homosexuals, and stupid black people, in the first place.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:18 pmI read Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos when it was still politically correct to fight Nazis in comic books. He looked nothing like Samuel L. Jackson.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:20 pmsamuel L jackson
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:23 pmat a theater near youse
“Bats in teh Belfry”
Well at least it wasn’t an assault rifle. Plenty of those at anti Obama rallies.
More fun: assassination plans.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SOLDIERS_CHARGED_PLOT?SITE=ILNOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:24 pmthey turn out winners
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:27 pmsleeeepy’s breakout role of year
“full mental jackass”
Go play with your Zerobama doll, sssssleapy.
Used to be, people without weapons hated and feared people who could fight better than them. Now, that the fearful cowards can also have weapons, they still hate and fear people with weapons.
A pussy is a pussy, armed or not.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:28 pmnk: Remember, the Howlers had Gabe Jones, a black soldier, as part of an integrated unit; the Army wasn’t actually integrated until so ordered by President Truman in 1948.
The Dana who read comics when he was a kid (f68855) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:29 pmMy spy boy told your spy boy
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:29 pmSitting on the Bayou
My spy boy told your spy boy
I’m gonna set your ass on fire
Good grief. You really need to read some anarchists, such as the Tannehills and David Friedman, as well as some minarchist arguments such as Nozick.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:31 pmThere were black soldiers in support units, and in the Battle of the Bulge they were “integrated” into fighting units, Dana. Not that they were not already fighting in the air.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:33 pmColonel Haiku, you’re forgetting that sleeeepy also appeared in another Kubrick film—“Eyes Wide Shut.”
He’s slated to appear in the sequel, which will be entitled, “Mouth Wide Open.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:33 pmhttp://youtu.be/gPTBF06meBE
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:33 pmyes, stones, sleeepy is uuuuseless.
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:34 pmMilhouse,
I don’t “need” to read “some” anarchist lit. I merely asked Mr. Brown to inform me what his vision of anarchy entails.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:35 pmThe Battle of the Bulge was total war, BTW, and the SS took no prisoners. Especially not blacks or Jews. We kind of didn’t, either, at least not SS.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:38 pm“full mental jackass”
Colonel – sleeeeepy goes with “Army busts left-wing anarchist group” story in another of his dick stepping upon comments. Ho Hum.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:38 pmThe scene where R. Lee Ermey screamed at sleeeeepy and told him to go to namby-pamby land was memorable.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 5:46 pmteh stupifying
blasts of intoxication
done kicked sleeeepy’s butt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9426205/Cannabis-smoking-permanently-lowers-IQ.html
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:04 pmWell at least it wasn’t an assault rifle
— sleeeeepy likes that it was a weapon capable of making much larger wounds than any mere bullet could ever hope to make.
Icy (af241f) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:13 pmSo sleepy is Vincent D’Onofrio, that explains a lot.
narciso (ee31f1) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:14 pm“2001: A Space Idiocy”
“Dr. Strangelove: How sleeeeepy Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love Obama”
Icy (af241f) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:16 pmnot to be out done
Liz Liawatha is on
her own “Trail of Laughs”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/warren-aide-knocks-around-gop-tracker_650905.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Colonel Haiku (763f9e) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:22 pmAg80:
Oh, no you don’t. You’re not taking my title without a fight.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:23 pmA lesser known Kubrick film was a period piece entitled, “1716; Barack Lyndon.”
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:26 pmNo way, DRJ, you are “The Mainstay.
I am The Resident Hammer. Is that three or four on the hierarchy?
(I’ll settle for “Racist Bigot”.)
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:32 pmDRJ:
I could wrestle you for it, but I hate losing to girls.
Or you could be “The Mainstay” and I could be JD’s comic-relief sidekick. nk can be the racist bigot since he called it.
Let’s just call it a tie and bask in our glory.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:39 pmnk, the racist bigot, wrote: the SS took no prisoners. Especially not blacks or Jews. We kind of didn’t, either, at least not SS.
— Holding blacks and Jews prisoner is the province of the modern-day peacenik party.
Icy (af241f) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:42 pmNo offense, AG80, but DRJ is noticeable.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:43 pmSome people mixed up “war” and “defense” in another thread. Such misundertanding is impossible to make understood to people who do not understand it in the first place.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:55 pmOkay, Brown. Provide a link to which incident you were talking about.
Phillep Harding (1b8b26) — 8/27/2012 @ 6:58 pmnk:
The contest was about who was narcissistic, not noticeable.
I hearby declare myself the winner. Kiss my ring if you must.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:00 pmNobody likes me more than me, Ag80. So there.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:01 pmnk:
Ha! Your insult will not stand. Choose a second and meet me at dawn.
If I’m late, start without me.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:15 pmGood!
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:16 pmBut I am totally old and ugly these days, so I beg you to withdraw your challenge with honor granted. 😉
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:18 pmI am sorry, DRJ.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:21 pmMe too. The walker gets in the way when I try to draw and I scare small children — who don’t understand my magnificence!
What was the topic again?
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:23 pmOld guys wishing a world that passed them by? Or thanking a life they still live? I vote for the second.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:28 pmI go with the second, too.
Ag80 (b2c81f) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:33 pmI guess this means I win by default.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:33 pmYou win because you are most loved, DRJ. I believe it’s the opposite of narcissistic.
nk (875f57) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:37 pmsleeepy, there was no assault rifle at any anti-Obama rally.
SPQR (26be8b) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:43 pmDRJ calling herself a narcissist is the most unlikely example of a lack of self awareness I’d ever expect!
That’s supposed to be a compliment, but it doesn’t really sound like one so I’ll just say it is.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/27/2012 @ 7:45 pmThis is an interesting take.
Things are quite upside down. Part of that is that there are democrats who would bomb the RNC, but that kind of sentiment has been with this country since day one. I do not want to see this country continue down the road towards a police state.
Dustin (73fead) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:09 pmYes, the terrorists have, essentially, won. I don’t mind giving up some temporary liberty for essential safety, but it’s a deal with the Devil and we’re not even all that safer. At some point we’ve got to say no, enough, we’ll take the risk in order to live free.
Milhouse (8acf6a) — 8/27/2012 @ 9:25 pmIn general I can find no fault in what you are saying. I respect any man who knows the Nepalese Gurkha descends from Alexander’s Kopis.
But I do have to ask if you are speaking disparagingly of the peasant levies?
A falchion knife or German Messer not to be despised and all.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/28/2012 @ 12:37 pmLike it’s hard to stroll into Ace Hardware and walk out with sharp pointy metal objects that can hurt you of you’re not careful.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/28/2012 @ 12:42 pmKukri. Nepalese Gurkha kukri.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/28/2012 @ 5:40 pmBut I do have to ask if you are speaking disparagingly of the peasant levies?
A falchion knife or German Messer not to be despised and all.
Comment by Steve57 — 8/28/2012 @ 12:37 pm
My father’s village, about 100 houses, sent 300 men to the Albanian front, with no training or even clothes for the winter climate. Just whatever weapons they had at hand (From Gras to Mannlicher, mostly Gras). The first defeat of the Axis, actually wiping out the Italian Army.
I have great respect for peasant levies.
nk (875f57) — 8/28/2012 @ 5:58 pmI know little, but I know knives and rifles a little more.
nk (875f57) — 8/28/2012 @ 6:01 pmJust as long as it’s sharp. Don’t get hung up on shape or length. Safe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpMh5auMaVQ
http://www.krites.blogspot.com/2012/05/just-as-long-as-its-sharp.html
nk (875f57) — 8/28/2012 @ 6:27 pmI’m a jerk for asking.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/28/2012 @ 11:33 pm?
nk (875f57) — 8/28/2012 @ 11:41 pmLike it ought to be a question.
Steve57 (40573d) — 8/29/2012 @ 12:03 amZeus is said to have had the Aegis (which he gifted to Athena), a goat hide which made the wearer invulnerable and invisible.
My daddy butchered goats and dried their hides to sell them. They dried harder than the bronze and steel the ancient people had. And worn hair out they were good camouflage on a Greek mountainside.
In WWII, fighter pilots wore jackets of goat skin.
And this is not from wpedia, Sammy.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 7:59 amAlthough the Spanish Celts did sometime find how to harden steel and sold it to the Romans but it was at least a 100 years after Alexander.
nk (875f57) — 8/29/2012 @ 8:06 amP.P.S. Is Obama using sock puppet accounts Rauhauser style? Or just buying Twitter followers the way certain people do? Either way, he has a lotta fake followers.
Am I allowed to accuse a sitting President of money laundering? Or suggest what Chicago boss’s lap he is “sitting” on?
nk (875f57) — 8/30/2012 @ 12:27 amThere needs to be a way to end this, without a President going to prison. I wonder what the deal will be?
nk (875f57) — 8/30/2012 @ 12:41 am