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7/29/2016

Aftermath of the Philly Confab

Filed under: General — JVW @ 3:40 pm

[guest post by JVW]

Here are a couple of items of interest we can discuss as the Democrats pack up and leave Philadelphia:

1. Chuck Todd and his enablers at NBC News fall all over themselves to salute the Democrats on a supposedly “powerful” convention. They contrast what they declare was a unified party front in Philadelphia with what they clearly believe was a mess in Cleveland. Bringing unctuousness to the appropriate heights to equal their elite level of asshattery, the authors write:

In totality, the Democratic convention itself was flawless — with two exceptions: 1) the Debbie Wasserman Schultz mess; and 2) the few dozen Sanders delegates who disrupted Clinton last night. Taken together, the two conventions matched the persona of their nominee: Cleveland was chaotic; Philadelphia was disciplined.

So everything was grand except for the fact that the head of the party had to be fired when it emerged that she and her lieutenants placed their thumb on the scale of the nominating process and when the supporters of the candidate who was hurt by that involvement raised justifiable complaints. Todd and his colleagues would no doubt tell us that the staging of Our American Cousin at Ford’s Theater was a success except for the unforeseen and random assassination of a President. Reading Todd’s grating flattery reminds me that a few days ago I took an MSNBC promo banner and made a few additions:

MSBNC

2. I mentioned last night how much I hated Hillary!’s wretched speech. I even took the bold move earlier this morning of actually listening to her deliver it in that nasally hectoring screeching voice that reminds you of your least favorite middle school teacher. It’s not just that her speech consisted of a bunch of vapid platitudes (“Powerful forces are threatening to pull us apart.” “No one gets through life alone.”), it’s that it sounded like she was reciting it to a group of adolescents of middling intelligence. So I thought it might be interesting to run her speech through the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Readability Formula test to see exactly what grade level at which she pegged her stilted oratory. For fun, I also thought it would be interesting to subject the Republican Party nominee’s convention address to the same test. You only have to import the transcript into Microsoft Word, and in the settings on the Spelling and Grammar function you can set it to peg the Flesh-Kincaid level of the text. Here’s what came up:

Reading Level comparison

So there you have it. The Democrat nominee speaks to her rapt following as if they were sixth-graders. That explains a lot about how the party feels about its voters, does it not? The GOP nominee speaks to them as high school freshmen. To put it into perspective, the Gettysburg Address registers at an eleventh-grade level.

Some other fun facts: Barack Obama’s address in Philadelphia came in at a seventh-grade level, Michelle Obama’s speech fell between a ninth and tenth-grade level, and Ted Cruz’s speech in Cleveland was at a seventh-grade level. Make of that what you will. (Interestingly enough, I could not find an online transcript of Bill Clinton’s speech in Philadelphia. If anyone finds it, feel free to run the test and let us know where it stands.)

– JVW

324 Responses to “Aftermath of the Philly Confab”

  1. The day after the Democrat Convention ends, IFC is running a Friday the 13th marathon. Somehow that seems appropriate.

    JVW (f97acd)

  2. Geez, I really didn’t want to see pictures of the nominees’ Flesch.

    CayleyGraph (353727)

  3. I’m blown away at the 1.2 vs 1.3 sentences per paragraph. How’s that even possible!? Must be a formatting issue from the transcript.

    TheNaBr (0c7c2f)

  4. heh, jww, i didn’t see the captions/

    narciso (732bc0)

  5. this is proof that Mr. Trump is the smartest one and he loves us and he respects us and he wants us to be happy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. This Democratic National Convention had a very low bar to jump over in order to be declared a success: Better than Chicago ’68.

    It was, that’s all that mattered.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  7. This Democratic National Convention had a very low bar to jump over in order to be declared a success: Better than Chicago ’68.

    It was, that’s all that mattered.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  8. Apologies for the double-post, my mouse is oversensitized these days. Something to do with Trump and Trumpkins? I dunno.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  9. another denizen of the emperor’s new clothes,

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/240037/

    only fox business really saw outside the Capitol Hall,

    narciso (732bc0)

  10. I’m blown away at the 1.2 vs 1.3 sentences per paragraph. How’s that even possible!? Must be a formatting issue from the transcript.

    It’s a huge pet peeve of mine because it’s not just speeches but it is also a whole lot of journalism that now gets delivered in one-sentence paragraphs. It’s as if we have become a society too lazy to read multiple sentences regarding a similar topic, or we are so stupid that we can no longer figure out when a logical paragraph break occurs so we just say “screw it” and break everything down into one sentence at a time. Check out your local newspaper or a report on CNN or Fox’s website and see if you don’t find a whole lot of examples of this perversion of the English language.

    JVW (f97acd)

  11. I noticed that the MSNBC image bleeds into the right-hand rail on some browsers so I reduced its size. Hopefully it looks ok for everyone now.

    JVW (f97acd)

  12. It was, in fact, little more than the last homage to the 1970’s. All that was needed as a garnish was a speech from a pet rock and a ten-minute film about lava lamps.

    MSNBC’s Joy Reid opined, with a straight face, on the historic moment of a woman being nominated by a major party, that: “Hillary did a good job of being both strong and soft.” You know, like a roll of Charmin’ toilet paper. That sums it up.

    A party that opens its convention showcasing illegal aliens as featured speakers on national television, coast-to-coast, is not a party that is good for America at this time in history.

    My God, I’m voting Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. lol like she uses toilet paper

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. @8- switch on your Cruz Control.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. joy reid was resist we much’s protege, kind of like kramer’s intern,

    narciso (732bc0)

  16. I was praying for a jack-ass to be run through the convention. The pig has been done.

    mg (31009b)

  17. The primary item I notice is the “Passive Sentences” measure. Hillary’s speechwriter and I must have endured the same type of university writing instructor to which passive voice was anathema.

    David (099e1f)

  18. MSNBC’s Matthews gives every one else’s speech high marks as stellar and memorable yet makes excuses for the actual candidate’s speech, at a historic moment, as ‘workman like.’

    Translation: a gentlewoman’s “C”.

    On a night that called for her ‘A-game.’ Everyone keeps making excuses for her. Because, of course, ‘it takes a village’ and all the idiots in it to drag her across the finish line.

    My God, I’m voting Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Thyroid? Or hemorrhoids? You be the judge…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/240066/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. Apparently, Hillary just doesn’t have the animal magnetism to elicit a thrill to go up Chris Matthews’ leg.
    My God, she put her own husband to sleep.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  21. true, the entire peanut gallery made up for it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. So, I ran Reagan’s “Evil Empire” speech to the National Assn of Evangelicals through the same program:

    Sentences per paragraph: 3.1
    Words per sentence: 22.5
    Characters per word: 4.8

    Passive sentences: 11%
    Flesch Reading Ease: 50.8
    Flesh-Kincaid Grade Level: 11.5

    I’d suggest that most of Hillary’s audience, particularly including teachers, don’t read at an 11th grade level.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. And Reagan was the guy they called dumb, iirc.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. there’s one two setting for republicans, crazy or stupid, I would say evil is a subset of the first, remember the conniption anthony lewis had about that speech?

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. Hillary gonna take the lead

    lucky patcher (99252c)

  26. i thinks, Mrs H got no chance, Mr T going to be the rickest president ever :lol

    gmail correo electronico (99252c)

  27. Whoever, i don’t make this world go to ruin plz

    hotmail iniciar sesion (99252c)

  28. Given that the Democrat voter is essentially a tall child, and wants government to be Mommy and Daddy, that her speech was most carefully tuned.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. when did we forget this is the sum total of democrat contributions,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeHq7J9aHM

    narciso (732bc0)

  30. 27-29
    Hard to tell: Are those spam comments or someone imitating happy feet

    kishnevi (bf220b)

  31. no, that’s perry, in his schizophrenic period,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. All you former conservatives not voting for Trump are a new and low class of Hillary enablers.

    You will be allowed to have a thrill up your leg but any masturbation will have to be of the verbal yammering variety in orgasms about how bad Trump is.

    Hillary is pleased with this and is glad you are helping.

    Drone on

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  33. a comparative overview:

    http://www.languagemonitor.com/tag/flesch-kincaid/

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. While watching Wolfie celebrating Hillary’s historic charade, it occurred to me that some debate questions are going to get leaked to the Clinton camp. The corrupt media hates Trump and will do anything to stand in his way. I suspect anyone on JournList would consider the opportunity a noble act in advancing the progressive cause.

    Paul (75c17a)

  35. Hey, PTS, don’t let the door hit’ya on the way out. It’s right over there —>

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  36. The other thing you will see is that aspiring “journalists” will be looking to impress their elders. This cannot be done in ANY story that favors Trump. So, there will be a gotcha contest.

    Every interview will be reported out of context. Hillary will be fed the questions, and the answers if need be. She’ll be asked “Do you feel being a mother prepares you for the Presidency?” Trump will be asked “Who is the Secretary of Interior of Botswana?” It will be like Palin — a piling on to see who can spike the candidate.

    It would be fun to see new affirmative action rules for newsrooms, something so crazy Trump might just do it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  37. there is at least one high profile reporter, not columnists, from every major outlet, times, journal, msnbc, cnn, I know those two aren’t major, but they consider themselves so,

    narciso (732bc0)

  38. “Journalism” is a sub-genre of fiction.

    nk (dbc370)

  39. But I take exception to the Kincaid-Flesch nonsense.
    Verbosity and obtuseness are not erudition.
    Use the active tense.
    Use the indicative mood.
    Use short words.
    A complete thought is a sentence. End it with a period. Do not run it on with subordinate clauses, if you can avoid it.

    If you think that following these rules makes one sound uneducated or condescending, it’s cause all y’all just don’t know how to talk to people.

    nk (dbc370)

  40. that’s why we offered other sample in that link, that speech was painful enough, that expectations of being to turned to stone, would have been warranted,

    narciso (732bc0)

  41. Sorry, that’s “active voice“, not “tense”.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. Andrea Mitchell looks really old, and she’s talking about a really old meme. Who cares if Hillary is “historic”? Barack beat her in that sweepstakes, and Bill beat her into the White House. Dressed as a TV preacher, she seemed to say, “It’s my turn, bitchez.” That’s not very exciting, and the arena was emptying out before she started speaking.

    And the convention was disciplined? Except for the rioting and the walkouts and the jeering.

    But hey, maybe she can bring back the magic of the 1992 bus tour! Is Andrea kidding?

    Patricia (5fc097)

  43. “She was reciting it to a group of adolescents of middling intelligence”

    Exactly right.

    f1guyus (5a4596)

  44. really in tune with the yoots,

    https://twitter.com/CounterMoonbat/status/759120742914985984

    who is that twit, nodding along,

    narciso (732bc0)

  45. ah governor target, I should have known,

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. If you think that following these rules makes one sound uneducated or condescending, it’s cause all y’all just don’t know how to talk to people.

    You’re probably right.

    I hadn’t thought of that.

    There are many way of expressing a thought.

    Your sentences are easily diagramed but that does not make them bad.

    I get where you are coming from.

    JVW (f97acd)

  47. Hell, JVW, what do I know? My literary icon is Dashiell Hammett.

    George Orwell, though, does have a credible essay on the uses and abuses of language as a tool of communication and as a weapon — https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm — and he uses lots of long sentence and five dollar words. Eton man, you know.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. I was watching double indemnity the other day, chandler did the screenplay for billy wilder, from a james cain text, was he also black mask,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. A complete thought is a sentence. End it with a period. Do not run it on with subordinate clauses, if you can avoid it.

    Don’t ever be afraid to let fly with a semicolon. Assholes like me would still be in the shoals without it.

    And yeah, I saw what you did there. I tip my cap to you, sir.

    JVW (f97acd)

  50. Eton man, you know.

    How wonderful is the language of the Bible, especially the New Testament and the Epistles of the Saints? They have the most magnificent sentences which may indeed run a full paragraph yet are so complex and wonderful that your inner English geek almost wants to diagram them.

    Is the language that wonderful in the original Greek?

    JVW (f97acd)

  51. nk writes ok.
    We like nk.
    nk has a dog named spot.
    Spot does not write ok
    .We like spot anyway.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  52. I had to look it up. James M. Cain did not publish in the pulps.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Yes, JVW, the New Testament in koine is very elegant. More than modern Greek, or the Attic of Thucydides for that matter. However, I think the King James and American Standard Versions (that I know) are very faithful to the original style.

    The thing is that koine has the infinitive, and the nouns and pronouns are declined, which in many instances make for shorter phrases. For example, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s” is (transliterated) “Ta tou Kaisarοs, to Kaisari” in koine. Coupled with that is the English is a more denotative language while Greek tends to be connotative, in my opinion. Still, you’re not being cheated of the Word if you’re reading a mainstream translation.

    nk (dbc370)

  54. jill stein green party candidate gets mentioned on bill maher show and barney frank goes off on her!

    benne (eadd9f)

  55. I use the English Standard Version (ESV) which is supposed to be most in the tradition of the American Standard Version, which I know was preferred by my many evangelical NT scholars in previous years.
    Fwiw

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  56. Have you ever seen Wuest’s expanded translation? It is wordy and not for being one’s primary, but it apparently is good at capturing nuance and “feel”.
    Another fwiw

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  57. The Democrat Party is owned by the teachers unions. This is especially true at the state level. This gives Democrats an advantage when speaking to the public at large. They know only too well what they have produced since the unionization of teachers in 1963.

    The grade level computed by the Flesch-Kincaid formula is dependent upon the average sentence length and the average number of syllables per word. The original work was done in 1948, and the current formula is based on a modification made by the Navy in 1976. Assuming this grade level is related to the real world as we experience it today is not justified. In the early 1990s the SAT tests were modified by adding 200 points to the everyone’s score because the average score had dropped 200 points since 1963. This was embarrassing to those who cared, and those who pretended to care. The next step was to modify the format of the test in such a way that comparisons could not be made to earlier results. In another generation they’ll have to revise the test yet again to prevent similarly embarrassing comparisons with past performance.

    It is quite likely that the average high school graduate would have difficulty understanding a speech that scored at the 11th grade level, or even the 9th grade level. It is no accident that Hillary! aimed her remarks at the 6th grade level. Rather, this is a confirmation that our academic standards are still in free fall. The only question is whether her target was the general public, or those in attendance at the Democrat Convention, who by and large are teachers. The latter is more likely since relatively few voters pay much attention to the campaigns until just before the election.

    This all works because just like “our Congressman”, everyone thinks “their public school” is just grand. It is only the aggregate of all Congressmen that is despicable, just as most people take it for granted that other public schools are pretty awful. Further, everyone is quite happy with a grading system where all the students are above average (a “B” back in the day) and their child gets an “A” if they turn in all their homework and their math “portfolio” has lots of multicolored photos and figures. This isn’t considered a conspiracy only because it is done right before our very eyes and everyone has full knowledge of what’s happening. We just like it that way. Our children have such high self-esteem!

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  58. Are those spam comments, or someone imitating happy feet?

    ftfy

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  59. Remember in 2008, when, at this time, Barack and his sycophants were hysterical about how awful the economy was?
    The 2nd quarter in 2008 was 1.9% growth.

    Yesterday it was reported that the 2nd quarter for this year had growth of 1.2%.
    But nobody’s talking about it.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  60. Unexpectedly???

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  61. Colonel, yes, totally unexpectedly!
    Barack’s economists are puzzled by the unexpected GDP numbers. Their only guesses are that it could be partially a result of that unexpected month-long blizzard which blanketed the midwest in June.
    Also, many Republicans opposed gender-neutral public restrooms, particularly at Target stores, and the ensuing boycott of Target may have injured the nation’s economy on the whole!

    Unfortunately, it’s beginning to look like the #NeverTrump movement is evolving into #NeverTalkAbouttheBadEconomyBecauseItMightHelpTrumpWin.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  62. And now, a message from Hillary Clinton to the Pattericans

    Dear Pattericans

    I want to thank you for your courage and commitment to your beliefs. What a difficult decision
    it was for you to abandon the Republican Nominee after realizing he shares none of your values.

    You have helped assure the continuation of a Great America with this decision, and both Bill and I feel your pain.

    But won’t you consider fully joining our team dedicated to conserving the America we all know and love?

    I am for all everyday working Americans who fear for their future, not the rich or the billionaires destroying our country with elitist self serving bigotry.

    So join us, vote for me in November… you’ve already taken the first step.

    We are all Americans.

    Thank you

    Hillary

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  63. If you want to reach people, writing or speaking at an 8th grade level is ideal. Many people, maybe most, can understand presentations at a higher level, but doing so requires effort. Some people in the audience are willing to think deeply about messaging, but many aren’t. If your audience already knows you and has demonstrated a willingness to follow along, you can get by with more sophistication. Most audiences aren’t like that.

    Mr. D (ee128f)

  64. Clinton was elected in 1992 on a campaign centered on the “worst economy” since the Great Depression, if memory serves. No mention of Carter’s “malaise” and the hyper inflation it created. Bush’s “no new taxes” betrayal contributed in no small part to the situation. Just as QE has crushed enterprise, which leads the Democrats now to call for more of the same, only harder.

    The press is a marvelous instrument when properly focused on matters of state. If you are their intended beneficiary.

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  65. All you former conservatives not voting for Trump are a new and low class of Hillary enablers.

    PTS

    PTS, you have failed to explain why Trump is conservative. Pretty basic stuff.

    He’s not conservative just because he is more hateful to everyone, left and right, than anyone else. Those of you who are partisan because you hate the left might identify with Trump on some level, but those of us who do not aren’t moved by his behavior.

    Listen to yourself. You spend all your time furious with conservatives. Blaming us for Trump losing before he’s even lost. We told you we couldn’t support him. He’s proven us right with the way he’s treated conservatives and their families, and how he’s appealing to the socialist votes now, and how his promises are as vague as any sleazy politician has ever made them, to the point where he is just talking in circles.

    Cheer up. Hillary’s probably going to win and Trump said Hillary would be a great president. Seriously… lighten up! The bad part has already happened this election. Hillary v Trump is Tomato Tomahto. The result doesn’t matter. They are the same.

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  66. PTS, you forgot the Thank You note from the DNC.

    We at the DNC would like to thank you so-called conservatives, Republicans, Republicans who left the Party and RINO’s for your non-support of Donald Trump.

    As you know our job is to get Hillary! elected and we can all accomplish this in two ways. First by encouraging people to vote for Hillary!. We know you won’t do that. Second by just having people NOT vote for Trump. By doing that you deprive Trump of one more vote he will need to defeat Hillary! thereby putting her one vote closer to the White House.

    You have heard Nancy Pelosi describe you as being controlled by guns, God and gays. Stay the course! Hillary! is preordained to expand government with free college, welfare and Obamacare for illegals and refugees and bringing in millions of peace loving moslems to share in the bounty that is America. In order for her dream of a gun free zone across all America her need to appoint two or three Supreme Court Justices is imperative and we thank you for these opportunities.

    So thank you for withholding your vote, Gaia bless you and Gaia bless Amerika.

    Yours,

    Huma Abedin (Fut. SecState)

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  67. Hoagie, Trump said Hillary would be a great president before knocking out all the candidates who were a threat to her. Now he and his loyal fans spend more time bashing republicans than they do democrats. You’re a perfect example.

    You really should do some self reflection when Hillary win, since you’ve spent the whole campaign making it happen.

    Personally I could care less if Hillary beats Trump. Taunting me that I’m letting it happen is not a problem. You’ve failed to show that Trump is conservative.

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  68. So if a restaurant serves me dogfood I have to eat there, otherwise it will be my fault if it goes out of business and is replaced by McDonald’s. Got it.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. I never said Trump was a conservative Dustin, and I’m not trying to “taunt” you. But I am a “perfect example”. A perfect example of a person who does not allow his personal likes and dislikes play into the hands of the enemy. I voted for Cruz in the PA primary. Cruz lost. It’s between Trump and Hillary!. If you don’t vote for Trump you are one way or the other supporting Hillary!. And if you could “care less if Hillary! beats Trump” you’re worse than a Hillary! supporter and you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. Or for that matter, the Republic. If you don’t care about the direction America goes than how can you care about America? Or are you starting a new political party, The Apathetic Party?

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  70. 72.So if a restaurant serves me dogfood I have to eat there, otherwise it will be my fault if it goes out of business and is replaced by McDonald’s. Got it.
    nk (dbc370) — 7/30/2016 @ 9:18 am

    That statement just removed all doubt. You’re an idiot. Do us all a favor and eat at home and stay out of public.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  71. Just cheer up Hoagie. Good grief this Trump stuff has made you toxic. Go outside or something.

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  72. Don’t anybody dare say a word about Trump’s four bankruptcies, if you didn’t go to his casinos to drop your paycheck at the tables every Friday night. It’s your fault they went under, you hear! Your fault!

    nk (dbc370)

  73. Sorry, Dustin. It’s just that it’s bad enough to know the man is an idiot then I feel the need to explain how the idiot is preferable to the grifter. It’s exhausting. I mean I do understand how hard it is to vote for a clown you don’t like. I’ve done it too. But at least he wasn’t an idiot to boot. But I just can’t see an angry leftist eviscerating our gun rights, free speech and more in office because she has a vagina. Sorry. I do apologize for being an a$$. You all don’t deserve that.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  74. ugh fast food places scare me now

    you know if they’re paying their dirty tatted up illiterate employees $15 an hour they HAVE to be cutting corners on food quality

    those places are vile harbors of disease and vomit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. Seriously? They, the “they”, are always looking to maximize profits. They were cutting the same corners when they were paying their employees with leftovers and having them sleep under the kitchen sink. That is what “free market” means. M-a-x-i-m-i-z-e. P-r-o-f-i-t-s. A-l-w-a-y-s.

    nk (dbc370)

  76. tasty foozle used to maximize profits all by itself by making it to where people would come back

    now though all you end up with is chipotle style toilet restaurants where you go home and puke and puke and puke

    it’s not exactly social justice you axe me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. I don’t think the Flesch reading score gives us much of an indication of intellectual acumen of Hillarys audience. In marketing and later public health I had to produce marketing/public health material with the goal of producing it at the 4th grade level. Playboy Magazine articles typically measured in at the 11th or 12th grade level.

    The majority of my clients are not native english speakers. They are mostly Romanian, Russian, Polish or some other Eastern European native speaker. I frequently have conversations with them about the difficulty between spoken english and written english. I contend written and spoken english is two separate but related languages. When writing one must refer to the subject being discussed. When speaking the subject is many times not mentioned but assumed by the parties discussing it. Trying to shoehorn a speech into a written evaluation tool seems a bit shaky to me.

    Disclaimer- I’m not defending Hillary. I’d get banned if I said what I really think about her.

    Azygos (198248)

  78. Just so you know that if your neighborhood McDonald’s closes, it will be your fault for not eating there.

    BTW, I didn’t make up the dog food/Mcdonald’s example. Do you remember Jack In The Box? They were owned by Purina. That Purina. The meat that wouldn’t pass the inspectors for their dog food division was made into hamburgers. There was one across from my high school in my freshman year. It was replaced by a McDonald’s in my sophomore year, which I believe is still there.

    nk (dbc370)

  79. Hang in there, Hoagie. By their barking, ye shall know teh mutts.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. All you non-voting Trump haters can make up all the silly analogies you like comparing voting to dog food eating and the like.

    However, in spite of your attempts to ease your consciences, this is the reality that it comes down to if you’ll simply think about it.

    By NOT building up votes that counter the Democrats and all things we hate about their “reign”, you help them.

    As such by your non-paticipatory actions, you are willing to accept the decision of others.

    IOW, you are stating by your inaction that you are willing to accept another 4 to 8 years of Clinton/Obama policies and rule unconditionally.

    At least the Pattericans should “man up” and state this as their position, since its obvious and undeniable.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  81. 65… BINGO! Why one would almost think some are being paid for their perfidy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. Hillary reacts to Dustin riding in on his Rainbow Unicorn That Farts Pixie Dust® …

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365028.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. Haiku, it wouldn’t hurt you to let go of hating democrats so much either. Especially this year when there’s really no difference between a partisan democrat and a partisan republican. They both are advocating for the same person, for the same policies, and for the same reason (they hate the other side).

    This election has freed us of any sense of urgency. The problems are still serious, but the election has absolutely nothing to do with it, because Trump is a Hillary supporter and would be just like her in office.

    Or just ‘hang in there’ being like Hoagie, burning a hole in your stomach because of those evil conservatives who aren’t fighting hard enough for a guy you all know isn’t conservative anyway. Hanging in there sounds a lot like being bitter!

    Have a great weekend!

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  84. No ulcers here, Dustin, I’m still laughing at Hillary’s animatronics reaction to your unicorn what farts teh pixie dust!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. @ Hoagie (#77): These are difficult times even for men and women of goodwill and decency. I genuinely understand and accept the decision of people who didn’t support Trump in the primaries, but who now support him in the general election. To one degree or another, they’re compromising. That’s okay — I’ve done it too, when I voted for the likes of Dole & McCain. It remains to be seen whether a plurality of the GOP, though, has forced upon the Party a candidate so noxious and unfit that it costs the Party the White House in an election that ought to have been eminently winnable.

    During the primaries, Trumpkins were making guesses and predictions about you and me and a bunch of other non-Trump-supporters, and specifically about how many of us could rally to his banner as the nominee. They have already been shown to have been utter fools, and Trump himself appears to be doing his dead-level best to drive away from the GOP ranks everyone who fails to fellate him; with the exception of the Pence selection, he’s done absolutely nothing since securing the nomination to conciliate the Party, and he’s continued doing things literally every single day to further alienate those who didn’t support him in the primaries.

    There’s no argument in favor of voting for Trump that I haven’t heard and considered. I have no illusions whatsoever about the alternative. That’s convinced you to vote for Trump, and I get that. But I’m still unconvinced, and if the election were today, I couldn’t vote for that SOB. I doubt that changes between now and November, because neither he nor Hillary are going to change, and our problems aren’t going to spontaneously heal themselves in the interim.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  86. Re #84 above, from a particularly dimwitted Trumpkin shill:

    The very most patronizing, egotistical, and offensive form of argument is always couched in terms like those you use. You insist that you know what we intend, even if what you “know” is the opposite of what we really think. You insist you can put words in our mouths, which you can then argue against. You insist that your re-characterization of reality is binding upon us, simply because you say it is.

    You have no identity. You have no reputation or history here that might give you a presumption of credibility. You have no logical force to your arguments. You have no links, no facts, no structure. All you do is insult and belittle — all while dishonestly conflating refusal to support Trump with support of Clinton.

    You might have more luck elsewhere. You will not be missed.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  87. In addition, Dustin… you and a few others are no more “conservative” than Hoagie. You are just misguided and in need of some in-depth introspection.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  88. OT, but it’s amusing to see and hear the Democrats fret and rant about the Russians hacking Hillary and the DNC’s emails, when all they supposedly consisted of were emails about Chelsea’s wedding, some cookie recipes and the honest and ethical business dealings of the DNC.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. These are difficult times even for men and women of goodwill and decency. Beldar (89)

    ftfy

    Those not included in your group seem to be having a great time. Every crisis is an opportunity to have some fun at the country’s expense, and our leaders seem intent on enjoying themselves. It will get worse.

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  90. Democrats liked Russians much more when they were Communists.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. It is Trump’s job to convince people to vote for him but he not only won’t do that, he willingly attacks and belittles conservatives. It is sad to see some of his supporters do the same.

    We can’t be bullied into supporting Trump. Trump has shown that is his supporters’ weakness, not ours.

    DRJ (15874d)

  92. Crystal Blue Blue Pantsuit Persuasion

    Look over yonder
    What do you see?
    A sheeple divided
    Most definitely
    A new dawn is comin’, whoo-hoo
    Sheeple are changin’
    Ain’t it doodie full, whoo-hoo
    Blue Pantsuit Persuasion

    Better get ready
    Don’t put up a fight
    Blue, blue is teh answer, whoo-hoo
    Now walk to teh light
    So just give it up now, whoo-hoo
    It’s so easy to find
    Just move to teh Left now (move to teh Left)
    And empty your mind

    Blue Pantsuit Persuasion
    Mm-hmm
    It’s a new vibration
    Blue Pantsuit Persuasion
    Pantsuit
    Blue Persuasion

    Maybe tomorrow
    A smile upside down
    On every Blue Rube, whoo-hoo
    And every clown
    All of his children
    In every nation
    There’ll be empty souls
    All assholes
    Blue Pantsuit Persuasion
    Yeah

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. In response to a question about Army father Khazir Kahn, Trump said that working hard to be a successful businessman is a sacrifice like giving up your life for your country. I’m sure Hillary would agree.

    DRJ (15874d)

  94. Hey, Hoagie.

    Go F u c k yourself. Seriously. You have trashed all the respect I had for you. You are nothing to me. Go F u c k yourself. With a 12 foot pole.

    John Hitchcock (1e7d12)

  95. Rev Hoagie and PTS,

    You forgot the thank you note from Bill CLinton,

    “Dear Trump supporters and other useful idiots,

    I want to thank you for supporting my good friend Donald in his first attempt at public office. As I told the Donster when he first suggested running, “Don’t run as a Democrat; run as a Republican! If you just be yourself, they’ll love you over there.” And was I ever right!

    What I didn’t tell hims was that I had an anti-triangulation strategy in mind, where the Donald I knew was CERTAIN to split all the fractures in the GOP and leave them divided, with an unlovable candidate, and my wife would actually stand a chance!

    So, thanks all of you who thought a redneck loudmouth was the best foot forward, and Hillary and I look forward to being the boss of you for the next 8 years. Oh, and say good-bye to your guns and a free and open internet. They are in our way.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  96. Beldar

    LOL… the particular reality I cited DOES bind on you, my friend.

    Your mental gymnastics will not relieve you of the burden of your choice to self castrate.

    You are like a little intellectual flea hopping about insisting that the laws of gravity do not apply to you.

    I truly doubt you would tell me I have no identity, qualifications, reputation, etc., blah, blah, blah if I told you that if you jump off a ten story building and hit the pavement below the results would be disaster.

    Or then perhaps you’d claim that some “deus ex machina” created by your “intellect” would negate my prediction and save you mid fall since I’m not a physicist or what have you.

    How pathetic you are. You’re no better than the Hillary zombies following her every utterance.

    So go ahead with your high minded pomposity and don’t vote for Trump… and by all means get with your buddies and have a grand circle jerk and shoot your bilious splooge on a picture of Trump in the middle of the circle.

    THAT will show him.

    Have a nice day. LOL

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  97. Kevin M

    See my reply to Beldar

    Have a nice day.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  98. Mittens wants in.

    mg (31009b)

  99. To a lot of us, this election is Stalin vs Mao. We wish that our party had not nominated Stalin, but it did somehow. Our best hope now is that this does not destroy the party for all time, and we are not sure whether it is good if he wins or not.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  100. The worst things about Trump are his supporters.

    nk (dbc370)

  101. It is Trump’s job to convince people to vote for him but he not only won’t do that, he willingly attacks and belittles conservatives.

    DRJ (15874d) — 7/30/2016 @ 11:35 am

    He has not attacked conservatives. Furthermore, he takes conservative positions on many things. That’s normally how you would try to convince someone of a particular point of view to vote for you.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  102. That’s their narrative, Gerald. Don’t spoil it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. Hey, what does PTS stand for? Puerile Trump Sycophant?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  104. Trump needs to be vocal about voter fraud. With Soros owning the electronic voting systems and the elite conservative no trump-pukes joining in unision with him to kill Trump.

    mg (31009b)

  105. #FourEverCrookedHillary!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. @82 nk

    Jack in the Box always reminds me of the guy from Saw. Or vice versa.

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  107. #TehPudPuller

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. He has not attacked conservatives

    He attacks anyone who criticizes him. He’s not a fighter, he’s a threatener and an insulter. He’s a man who should be kept as far as possible from the State’s powers. The fact that Hillary is an even worse person does not make Trump a good man.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  109. Could someone drag 112 out of moderation. I think I see why it’s there, but it really shouldn’t be.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  110. Luckily for Trump, the “draft-dodger” argument is awkward for Hillary to use.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  111. Predictions –
    Trump will beat Hillary soundly and Johnson will be a close third.
    Bill will croak before the election.

    mg (31009b)

  112. Trump may be the smartest guy ever. To wreck the education system, be in such ridiculous debt, fatherless children throughout the inner cities, black on black murder, all without ever being in government. Fricking genius.

    mg (31009b)

  113. @97DRJ

    I guess the sacrifices of the Kate Steinles of this country fell on deaf DNC ears eh?

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  114. @111 Col Haiku

    This is the part in The Expendibles where you realize we are on the same side.

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  115. Col Haiku

    Speaking of fast food, do you have time in grade over Col Sanders?

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  116. @99 Kevin M

    Maybe Trump payed the Clintons to take a dive so he can win. There’s still plenty of time.

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  117. @113 nk

    We need to import more muslims so we can ship them over to die in the Middle East.

    There’s a Sam Kinnison bit in there somewhere.

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  118. He has not attacked conservatives

    He attacks anyone who criticizes him.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 7/30/2016 @ 12:29 pm

    Uh yes I know that.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  119. @115 Kevin M

    Don’t you remember Hillary’s story about trying to join the Marine Corps?

    Pinandpuller (b28090)

  120. clinton says hacking deleted e=mails would be threat to national security now ‘but said when it was announced they had been deleted they were about wedding and yoga classes. which is the lie?

    lock her up (917472)

  121. Since you traitor Pattericans are close to voting for Hillary, here is a great pic you can put on your wall to drool over.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/swimsuit-mural-hillary-clinton-creates-stir-australia-072457596.html

    In addition, if you vote for her early, you will receive a FREE Hillary Smart Phone pre-loaded with Pokemon Go you can play blissfully so you don’t have to think.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  122. He has not attacked conservatives. Furthermore, he takes conservative positions on many things. That’s normally how you would try to convince someone of a particular point of view to vote for you.

    Gerald A

    Gerald, you’re lying. Why? Because you hate democrats. What a terrible state of mind.

    Trump has taken extremely left positions on immigration, guns, foreign policy, and government power. I’ve linked these to you many times, and you’ve ignored those points while replying, so we both know you’re aware. His recent nomination speech was a constant stream of new powers he would seek as a particularly unconservative president. Most of Trump’s fans just retort that Trump isn’t conservative and that’s ok because he’s better than conservative.

    He’s made vague statements that can be interpreted as flip flops from his life of being a new york liberal, but they are vague or ridiculous. Either he’s going to make immigration wonderful or he’s going to make Mexico pay for the most beautiful wall. Only a shill would tell me this makes Trump conservative, especially when Trump tells the left he really means he will make illegals totally legal so they can work here (and vote here). Let’s be clear, it is not possible to be more left wing than Trump is on immigration. He is to the left of Hillary on immigration, particularly when you look at his record of breaking immigration laws. On most other issues, there isn’t even a pretense that Trump is conservative, albeit a lot of white supremacists think they see something in Trump… what they see is not political conservatism, where every man is equal before the law.

    Gerald gives us his word that Trump has never attacked conservatives. Disgraceful, Gerald.

    Let go of this desperation to lie because democrats are hated. There’s no point. Hillary or Trump… who cares?

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  123. That’s hilarious, mg.

    These ‘presidential’ candidates are not presidential in any way, and should be mocked in good humor, instead of taken so seriously. And no one takes Hillary more seriously than those mouths full of frothing foam, so angry with her that they would stoop to her level and become her.

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  124. 127. et al. Democracy has folded like a cheap Chinese suit, in large part because her citizens are mediocrities: Johnny Q. Public cannot learn, cannot write, cannot think, cannot order a list of priorities.

    So lets just throw in the towel and let the Borg’s Autocrats wipe History’s ass of this ludicrous experiment in self-government.

    Losers aren’t born they are made and young men you deserve the sh!thole you’ve chosen. You are not worth spit.

    DNF (755a85)

  125. Dear Pattericans

    In order to preserve Conservative Values, please do not have any children.

    Although some of you have self-castrated in the tradition of the Heaven’s Gate Space Cadets, many of you haven’t but should not be adding to the Darwin effect or Idiocracy.

    So if you have urges, please don’t impregnate your bitches but go full Circle Jerk For Hillary.

    If you can’t get it up, please look at the Hillary mural I posted for you.

    Your bitches will thank you and your present urchins will thank you and Hillary will thank you.

    That is all.

    PS

    If any of you are female, then please join Rug Munch for Hillary
    Self described as “real feminist cunts” these powerful Post Steinem Ball Busters would love to love you and put you to work in butch bars across the country “campaigning” for Hillary.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  126. I’m sorry to see profanity being offered.

    First, I submit the big picture,
    Our country can not do better than somebody who should be in federal prison whose experience shows her to be dishonest and incompetent,
    and somebody who is a great salesman and ran a reality TV show, who was able to win a plurality with a record number of votes against him, who has been great at causing a stir, backtracking, and attacking and alienating the number two person over petty personal insults.

    No matter who wins, it should cause grief to even be in this situation.

    Perhaps there is a disagreement between whether one should vote for the Gila Monster or the Komodo Dragon ir neither.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  127. Losers aren’t born they are made and young men you deserve the sh!thole you’ve chosen. You are not worth spit.

    DNF

    I agree with MD… of course it’s really unfortunate that Hillary (or let’s pretend Trump too) is headed for the White House. My friends and family in this country deserve better. I believe this country should be better than this. But right now, it’s just a fact that it’s not. This is a result of a lot of factors, and there are solutions. Freaking out about the election and demanding everyone shill for one of the awful options because of your fear of the other awful option is a waste of time and it’s a tax on your integrity.

    It’s not my fault the GOP didn’t nominate someone who is better than Hillary. I did my part. The party failed me enormously. I’m not going to lie about it.

    BTW DNF, your attitude seems like a loser’s attitude. If you want to succeed, go out and do it. Don’t get entitled and demand success be handed to you. If Trump wants to be president, he needs to reach out and earn it. He could have humbled himself to Ted Cruz’s wife, apologizing to her. And to the rest of the family members he has needlessly smeared. Trump could reach out to voters like me, explaining how he will promote the things I care about, like less government and more ethics. He could release his tax returns, make amends with the people he has defrauded, pay the debts he filed bankruptcy for, and otherwise show us integrity and leadership. Trump isn’t entitled to my vote. I don’t owe him anything just because he is going to tweet a million insults.

    Cheer up.

    Dustin (Brought to you by Carl's Jr™!) (ba94b2)

  128. Oops, lack of finger control
    That was supposed to be or neither, not ir neither

    For the umpteenth time, I don’t care what Trump or any body says, I care what they do,
    Trump has spent a lifetime being a Dem and a liberal and watching multiple projects he sold to investors go bankrupt, and he has continued to be vulgar and crude.

    If the election was tomorrow, I would probably vote against Clinton more than against Trump,
    but it would be hoping against hope he would turn out better than expected.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  129. President Trump is gonna implement prosperity, and just in time too!

    Did you see them gdp numbers?

    oh god so pitiful

    stinkypig, all she’d implement is stench and moar food stamps

    no thank you!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  130. Trump has taken extremely left positions on immigration, guns, foreign policy, and government power. I’ve linked these to you many times, and you’ve ignored those points while replying, so we both know you’re aware.

    I in fact did reply to you on one thing. Your “extreme left” position on immigrants is that after deporting them he would allow them to apply to reenter. First of all that’s not an extreme left position, since the left doesn’t want to deport anyone. Second I said I never believed he would deport everyone in the first place. I said he’s against open borders, which is the extreme left position and Hillary’s position. I know of nothing to contradict that.

    He doesn’t have extreme left positions on guns or foreign policy. I don’t what you’re calling an extreme left position on government power, but it’s probably not worth reading.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  131. The real need is a grassroots renewal of the moral fiber of the populace, which will only come about through another great spiritual awakening if it does,

    The political effort, perhaps, is to support the Amash and Cruz types in individual locals and let them pound away like Wilberforce for as long as it takes,
    unless the Lord returns first.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  132. In #129 Dustin wrote,
    These ‘presidential’ candidates are not presidential in any way, and should be mocked in good humor, instead of taken so seriously.

    Facepalm.
    Where to begin?

    A Presidential election should always be taken seriously simply because the winner gets to govern.

    There are actually people who are really hurting in this country due to the economic malaise. The 2nd quarter GDP growth was an anemic 1.2%.
    Do you know what the 2nd quarter GDP was in 2008 when everyone was saying that the sky is falling?
    It was 1.9%.

    Currently, the world is on fire because we have a President who has emasculated our military, and failed to fight evil.

    Regardless of what we think of the choices on the menu, one of them is going to be brought to our table as the entree. So this notion that we can just shut our eyes and pretend that the election result is just a joke, is in itself just a joke.

    Trump may or may not make America Great Again.
    But he’ll make it better than what Hillary wants to make it.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  133. Whiskers.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  134. Soup strainer.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  135. trump future awesome fantastic

    it’s so compelling!

    and we’re all gonna be there (except sleazy cowardly harvardtrash food stamp and stenchy farty stinkypig)

    and I’m already saving up for something special for to help celebrate

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  136. Clinton’s secretary pool claim Russians as the author of all her sins.

    Putin made her do it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  137. In part, CS,
    it could also be said that the world is on fire because we have been electing the leaders we as a nation deserve
    and we will continue to do so.

    If Clinton is elected, then Clinton,
    if Trump is elected, no one in the world will take him seriously until he demonstrates why he should be,

    either way, I think any festivities will be short lived.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  138. yes yes cause after we do celebrate

    we gotta get to work

    oh my goodness this poor raped little country

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. We have enjoyed watching a show called “Foyle’s War”, a detective show in England during and post WWII. I never realized how much war fatigue from WWI existed, and the general psyche post the war.
    (At least as portrayed.)

    Looking at the US in light of that, we had the fortitude to win (at least part I) of the Cold War with leadership in spite of a great many.
    We had the fortitude to win Gulf War I, and the first part of Gulf War II,
    but as a nation we have no stomach to do much of anything except blame somebody else for whatever problem is on our mind for that 140 character blip.

    And we/they have been doing the best to destroy the institutions of learning and faith that might cultivate people up to the task.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  140. Yeah! Saturday! http://youtu.be/a8T0MWTCSfY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. good stuff, Col.

    mg (31009b)

  142. 98.Hey, Hoagie.

    Go F u c k yourself. Seriously. You have trashed all the respect I had for you. You are nothing to me. Go F u c k yourself. With a 12 foot pole.
    John Hitchcock (1e7d12) — 7/30/2016 @ 11:55 am

    That is the comment of a deranged person with some serious issues. Not because it’s directed at me personally, but because it’s directed at anyone who posts here in good faith and expects to be treated fairly and respectfully.

    That is the filthiest, most vile comment I have ever seen posted about another commenter and I am stunned it was allowed to be posted. I’ve been moderated for much, much less.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  143. Lol… Heavy metal Link

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  144. tad overwrought

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. thought you might get a kick out of it, Col.

    mg (31009b)

  146. #149 Rev Hoagie,

    Just laugh it off and keep your eyes on the prize!
    After all, you reside in one of the most important swing states (PA).
    Some of these #NeverTrumpers engage in a parlor game where we’re asked to “prove” that Trump reads Russell Kirk or Edmund Burke.
    When in reality, all we’ve been saying is that he’s merely more conservative than Hillary and all the Mother Jones subscribers she’ll bring with her to the White House.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  147. Does Khan know Hillary voted for the war in Iraq that got his kid killed, not the Donald?

    Meanwhile, voters who wish to be entertained, not governed, will tune in to watch a fool jump out of a plane at 25,000 feet without a parachute to try and land in a net.

    A party that opens its convention showcasing illegal aliens as featured speakers on national television, coast-to-coast, is not a party that is good for America at this time in history.

    My God, I’m voting Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  148. Ya think John’s off his meds?
    Either or the truck broke down.

    He can’t be that p.o.ed over what happens here.

    Unless those multi paragraph think pieces you guys post have the cussing tucked in the middle.

    I always scroll past.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  149. “Losers aren’t born they are made and young men you deserve the sh!thole you’ve chosen. You are not worth spit.”

    – DNF

    You and your generation chose this sh*thole for us, grandpa. Spare me the self-righteousness.

    Leviticus (9c1ef8)

  150. 132. “Cheer up”

    People who say Trump is no better than Clinton are know nothings, people who say we’ll be better off with Clinton are liars.

    My point is there is no future possible wherein we will be on the same side. Those who choose some vain principle over survival do not get play.

    DNF (755a85)

  151. 156. My child is eight. My generation pissed away America’s birthright. And look at the fools we’ve left to carry on.

    DNF (755a85)

  152. It’s not a matter of principle. It’s a matter of standards.

    nk (dbc370)

  153. 159. Weasel words, abogado.

    DNF (755a85)

  154. 79.Seriously? They, the “they”, are always looking to maximize profits. They were cutting the same corners when they were paying their employees with leftovers and having them sleep under the kitchen sink. That is what “free market” means. 79.Seriously? They, the “they”, are always looking to maximize profits. They were cutting the same corners when they were paying their employees with leftovers and having them sleep under the kitchen sink. That is what “free market” means. M-a-x-i-m-i-z-e. P-r-o-f-i-t-s. A-l-w-a-y-s.
    nk (dbc370) — 7/30/2016 @ 10:33 am nk (dbc370) — 7/30/2016 @ 10:33 am

    Who paid their employees in leftovers? Who had them sleeping under sinks? The “free market” means putting out the best products for the best prices and that is done by having happy employees and a quality product. People don’t work for leftovers in America nk, and consumers don’t buy crap. Companies like McD’s set the standards for efficiency and product quality in their industry. That’s how they M-a-x-i-m-i-z-e. P-r-o-f-i-t-s. A-l-w-a-y-s. If you think anything else of the free market perhaps you should hang with the Sanders crowd. They too think “free market” means “screwing stupid consumers”.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  155. C’mon, Leviticus… I’ve been to New Mexico and, while no Eden, it hardly deserves being called a “sh*thole”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  156. SHAME on the Pattericans!!!

    You are SLAVES of the LEFT!

    YOU ARE NON PEOPLE SUBMITTING TO OTHERS!!!

    “So long as I do not firmly and irrevocably possess the right to vote I do not possess myself. I cannot make up my mind – it is made up for me. I cannot live as a democratic citizen, observing the laws I have helped to enact – I can only submit to the edict of others.”

    Martin Luther King

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  157. Kevin Williamson authored a column at NRO stating that the lives of the working class in America were unworthy of our Nation. As tho dead Kennedys and stalking Clintons lives weigh more in the balance.

    As reprehensible as that lie was, the bigger lie is that globalism has not already failed. Forget immigration and world war, people in the emerging markets our major corporations have saved are starving and dying without medicine for lack of US dollars.

    We for nearly a decade cannot supply the dollars required of us as the reserve currency, we have no jobs. Immigrants were never needed to do the work we would not, business preferred to pay day laborers 25 cents on the union dollar. Now they just go on welfare, all 40 million of them.

    Oil today is priced at half its cost of production. In just a year or two those wells will be exhausted and the price will rise setting off hyperinflation.

    “Cheer up” indeed. #nevertrump are ‘effing morons, everyone.

    DNF (755a85)

  158. Don’t worry

    Hillary will fix things. The rich will FINALLY pay their fare share of taxes. Right now the top 10% or earners pay about 60% of the Federal Income Tax, but DO NOT WORRY.

    Hillary will fix that and they will pay THEIR FARE SHARE!

    Nanny State = Nanny Statism

    The dead Kennedys plan to vote several times for Hillary… why not you, Pattericans!?

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  159. 122. We already sort of did that with the Border Patrol. http://www.politico.com/magazine

    urbanleftbehind (914212)

  160. There was a time in history when indentured servants, apprentices, scullery maids and kitchen boys worked for something to eat and a place to sleep, in America and other places. Conditions for them have changed, but the mentality of the bosses has not. Squeeze out every penny of profit.

    I did not say “free market” means screwing the consumers. That would be an understatement. The Scrooges, the Shylocks, the Rockefellers, the Vanderbilts, The Chinese People’s Liberation Army, et al, screw everybody.

    nk (dbc370)

  161. Paul Ryan screws everybody.

    mg (31009b)

  162. Latinos upset with clinton picking tim kaine because he speaks spanish. Its like in the movie airplane where barbara billingsly tells stewardess that she speaks jive and can communicate with the”negro!”

    jiven (917472)

  163. Did they appropriate Anglo-Saxon culture by complaining in English? They shouldn’t do that. Their real b!tch (besides Hillary) is that she did not pick Julian Castro.

    nk (dbc370)

  164. Those of us who fear Federal Police forces, single-payer health insurance, state sponsored religion, etc., understand what a bitter disappointment this election-year has been for principled “conservatives” having finally found a standard bearer after lo these decades in the wilderness.

    MD at 131, prefers to note that Trump had as winning candidate more votes cast against him than ever before. This conveniently avoids note that this year saw a 60% increase in votes cast in the Stupid Party primaries.

    The implication being that all these new votes are those of interlopers and can be deprecated.

    The fact remains, however, that the “conservatives” champion turned out to be a pretender, not in the sense of TFG, but as one who could unite and lead.

    Rather than dissolve into a clutch of whiny little bitches, the onus is on these “conservatives” to clean up their messed pants and act like adults.

    DNF (755a85)

  165. Those of us who fear Federal Police forces, single-payer health insurance, state sponsored religion, etc., understand what a bitter disappointment this election-year has been for principled “conservatives” having finally found a standard bearer after lo these decades in the wilderness.

    MD at 131, prefers to note that Trump had as winning candidate more votes cast against him than ever before. This conveniently avoids note that this year saw a 60% increase in votes cast in the Stupid Party primaries.

    The implication being that all these new votes are those of interlopers and can be deprecated.

    The fact remains, however, that the “conservatives” champion turned out to be a pretender, not in the sense of TFG, but as one who could unite and lead.

    Rather than dissolve into a clutch of whiny little biatches, the onus is on these “conservatives” to clean up their messed pants and act like adults.

    DNF (755a85)

  166. everyone hates pervy mitt romney’s #1 buttboy Paul Ryan

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  167. I have reservations about trump because of the stands he has taken in the past, why I didn’t vote for him in the primary, but I’m quixotic that way, as most voted for maverick or mittens,
    now red queen feels me with deep apoplexy and revulsion, everything she has touched has blood and sinew and tragedy from sinaloa to shenzen province,

    narciso (732bc0)

  168. Nk

    You may have high standards but in about 100 days its going to be 2am and you will be walking out of the bar with either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  169. Well I hope someone is watching CNN right now and taking notes (show about Nixon/Watergate is airing).

    urbanleftbehind (914212)

  170. @ Cruz Supporter (#137), who wrote:

    Trump may or may not make America Great Again.
    But he’ll make it better than what Hillary wants to make it.

    You say that like it’s self-evidence, or like there’s historical evidence to support it. You say that like there’s some reason besides Trump’s empty boasts and promises.

    There’s not. I understand you’ve nevertheless chosen to believe, as a matter of faith, that Trump may possibly Make America Great Again. But it leaves me still unpersuaded.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  171. Sorry, that ought have read “self-evident.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  172. 174. #nevertrump, led by pillars of the illuminati like G. Beck, G. Will, E. Erickson, W. Kristol, etc., hope to punish the RNC for failing to disenfranchise the latter’s winning margin.

    As tho the smaller the tent the better we will own it, nevermind its irrelevancy. The fact is these folk are merely whoring about for their National Chamber of Commerce johns and are not capable of socially redeeming independent opinions.

    #NeverTrump should ask themselves, ‘Are you good at the job you have?’. Perhaps you should just do that and leave deep thoughts alone. Plainly you suck at practicable politicking.

    You folk have missed the train from SC, GA, AL, MS on and been wrong at every turn. No one is following your lead, QED, you are soldiers without a cause, without a plan, without an ‘effing clue.

    DNF (755a85)

  173. We had some good candidates in the primaries, but a lot of the #NeverTrumpers were also #NeverRubio and #NeverKasich and #NeverJeb, et al.
    They said “no” to everyone, so now we’re stuck with Trump.

    It’s like a high school girl who sits around waiting for the perfect guy to ask her to the Prom. She turns down the first 5 or 6 boys who ask her due to little flaws in their appearance or whatever, and then it comes down to the last week before Prom and she still doesn’t have a date.
    So she has to settle for a dude who is ultimately less acceptable than the first 5 or 6 boys who asked her to be their date several weeks earlier.
    It’s not a perfect analogy, but then again, there’s no perfect prom date, nor is there a perfect Presidential candidate.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  174. nixon was very small beer, private surveillance operation, (fidelafacts), dodgy campaign finances, (bobby baker please) expletive deleted, shirley you can’t be serious, mark felt, an embittered fbi supergrade, chose betrayal, and brought shame upon the bureau and the other security services,

    narciso (732bc0)

  175. Boana Fide Fajitas
    Skirt Steak slow smoked over wood coals.
    lime, chillies, garlic, cumin, some Pico De Gallo on a warm flour tortilla.
    Nirvana.

    mg (31009b)

  176. No matter who wins, it should cause grief to even be in this situation.

    Yes. And BOTH parties ought to think long and hard about #NeverAgain.

    The Dems need to understand their Left and decide if they even want to embrace it. If not, they have to find a way to bring these disaffected in off the ledge. Not sure how they do it because a mob who wants free stuff is always gonna listen to the guy who says “Sure, you can have all the free stuff you want! Just go rob those rich people!”

    The GOP’s task is somewhat easier. Trump has some good points. He’s just a TERRIBLE front man. THe most important one — that both parties have ignored — has to do with the US government owing it’s first loyalty to American CITIZENS. Not “residents”, not even “legal residents”, but CITIZENS. Particularly trade and the duty of US companies to employ Americans first. H1-B, overseas manufacturing (the absolute inverse of a colonial system) and wide-open borders have got to go.

    Hence Trump. I get it. But Sheee-it.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  177. the top men, had their trapper keeper open for the medici, they were probably willing to settle for rubio, even mailman’s son, but they had no second act, I can’t even begin to gainsay what was the national review/weekly standard/federalist play, because they didn’t have a first act,

    narciso (732bc0)

  178. Trump and the likes of Steve Wynn are battling the silicone valley rump swabs and the illegal crimalein loving chamber of commerce hacks. They just as well be performing orally on Soros.

    mg (31009b)

  179. 180. A very telling point, and one that perhaps identifies the Right’s Achilles heel. We are monomaniacal and treacherous.

    Our hypocrisy does nothing to differentiate us from our adversaries.

    DNF (755a85)

  180. PTS can only write in bursts because it takes so long to clean the spittle off his keyboard and monitor.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  181. And the Koch brothers – What Hitchcock said – what should be done with the 12′ pole!

    mg (31009b)

  182. I strive to let my analysis and my sentiment, mix like chocolate and peanut butter, fwiw, it was lefty journalist james hougan who apprised me of the former, the latter was almost rumor, in it’s real world impact, until mcclellan sr, father of scott went down the rabbit hole to search for a deeper motive, and jerome corsi and roger stone have followed suit,

    narciso (732bc0)

  183. #176 Beldar,

    Well, we never know for “certain” how something’s going to turn out, whether it’s a job assignment, or a relationship, or a trip to Europe, or a trip to the supermarket.
    A person could go for a routine walk around the block with their dog, and end up getting run over by a UPS truck.
    … it’s the plans of mice and men.

    I take the Dennis Prager approach. I’d love a Cleveland or a Coolidge or a Reagan as our nominee, but in the absence of one, I just want to stem the tide of the Left. It’s along the lines of William F. Buckley running out on the highway, yelling, “Stop!” which was his cheeky impetus for the formation of National Review.

    Now, Trump’s definitely not a movement conservative, but we “know” that Hillary’s definitely a movement Lefty.
    I’d like to point to whom will run the DoJ; the likelihood of Chris Christie or Loretta Lynch.
    And I foresee see that type of paradigm for every agency. I imagine Rudy Giuliani will be offered an agency head, probably Homeland Security?
    Hillary won’t nominate anyone in the same galaxy as Rudy.

    Art Laffer, Steve Moore, and Larry Kudlow are going to be heading up his economic initiatives. You can’t ask for better than that.

    I also believe that Trump will delegate a lot of authority to Mike Pence. Pence has already said publicly he’s going to be involved in judicial nominations.

    By the way, I hope you’re still working on that Civil War novel. As I said to you before, I’ll buy a car load, and give them out as gifts.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  184. So, today, Trump — he of the thin skin — decides to attack a dead soldier’s parents for criticizing him. The man needs to learn when to STFU. He’s, what?, 70?, and no one has ever gotten it across to him that there is a time and place for everything and sometimes you have to suck it up?

    A bit more of this and maybe the idea of Hillary won’t seem worse. Who wants a spoiled brat as President?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  185. If I were the Democrats, my strategy would be aimed at the debates. It is probably the only time that 20% of the population takes the time to get involved in the election, and if they can all be move the same way, it’s over.

    And the strategy is this: get Trump to melt down. It only has to happen once. Bait him relentlessly. Get your shills in the media to help. I really don’t see how it can fail. I cannot think of anything I would care to bet on Donald Trump’s self-control.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  186. Apparently Hitchcck gave a ride to Marek “Wilt” Dąbrowski and wants to spread the joy he found…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  187. I still can’t bend my mind around the idea that if I don’t vote for the nominal Republican who until five minutes ago enthusiastically supported Hillary! now I am worse than Hitler and am responsible for all the bad things that will happen.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  188. you know I’m sorry for mr. khan’s loss, however he does seem to have conveniently misplaced his grief, siding with the party who cheers for the terrorists, who shouts down a simple acknowledgment of the cost of war by mr, grobart, who willingly allow their relatives to be a sacrifice for red queen’s ambition, she was the one who squandered the successes acquired at great cost, who was a basenghi, as petraeus’s counterinsurgency strategy was cut short in afghanistan

    narciso (732bc0)

  189. 192. My big worry is the Borg simply steals the election once again.

    They have very deep pockets.

    DNF (755a85)

  190. narcisco, you are probably right. But Trump still has to suck it up. They gave their SON. He dodged the draft. Bush had any number of these to deal with and engaging them like this does NOT help.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  191. 195. The number of Muslims that will risk their necks in opposition within Dar al Harb is so tiny as to be negligible. Count those who died in our armed services at 10.

    Those who risk in Dar al Islam are equivalent to zero.

    194. Being Good will not be accounted as Avoiding Evil, see the parable of the Talents. Your personal quest is to not be found penniless because the Master is a hard man

    But faithfulness is a different mindset altogether.

    DNF (755a85)

  192. narcisco, them being jerks does not mean we can be jerks. Only one of those things will make the news.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  193. This is not my blog and I am in no position of authority to tell other people how to behave,
    but I will ask that people reconsider the rancor of the discussion, especially those who have at any point stated that they believe and have faith in Jesus. Even when he chased the moneychangers out of the Temple I do not think he resorted to profanity.

    Do not judge by appearances, but by their fruit you shall know them.

    Trump is not a leftist ideologue like Obama (or Clinton, to less of a degree, I think), but he is an arrogant, narcisistic, megalomaiac just like him. Even Obama confessed that determining when human life began was above his pay grade, Trump has said he has never done anything that would cause him to ask God’s forgiveness. The man by definition is a fool.

    Now, if you want to argue that Clinton is even worse, fine, but I think a person has a place to say, “I will not vote for an arrogant fool”.

    If Trump loses, blame it on him.
    He is the one who said he doesn’t need a unified republican party,
    he is the one who has said he doesn’t need conservatives,
    he is the one who said he will draw disappointed Sanders voters (there’s a conservative stand for ya…)
    he is the one who went out of his way to maintain a petty personal feud with Cruz

    Trump is for Trump.
    That may be better than Clinton being for Clinton,
    but if a person would rather think and pray,
    “Lord, neither of these candidates has shown any willingness to humble themselves and faithfully execute the role of president of the United States, please have mercy and do something”,
    I cannot argue with that.

    I thought a lot of people were in agreement that we were tired of the DC politicos acting as if their lives mattered more than the rest of ours. Well, Trump is just like them.

    All Ted Cruz did was remain faithful to his marriage vows rather than go along with DC politics. If thinking that is a good thing is “signaling virtue”…
    then I need to remember my own admonition about the rancor of the discussion.

    This is like the article referring to Lewis I linked a few days ago. A political leader should not aspire to be heroic, nor indispensible (“only I can do this”), and certainly not messianic.
    A political leader should aspire to be a faithful steward of the responsibilities before them.

    The fact that the populace wants some combination of messiah, Santa Claus, and magic genie and finds people willing to audition is the problem and will be the problem after the election;
    cussing each other out about whether or not voting for Trump is necessary for the survival of Western Civilization is not.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  194. 201. I read your words. I’ll stick with mine.

    DNF (755a85)

  195. We can do all of this over and over forever…
    Trump, like Obama, thinks of himself as the smartest person in the room and will do what he wants, and if his advisors don’t give him what he wants..
    “You’re fired”

    Which one of his wise advisors told him to loke for sanders’ voters to support him? Which one of his advisors told him to criticize NC over it’s bathroom law because it was bad for business? Did his tirade about Cruz the morning after have the encouragement of Gov. P[ence, strandiung there smiling?

    let me make this easy.
    From now until the sun explodes, keep repeating, “Clinton is worse”,
    that much we can believe
    don’t ask us to belive a thing about Trump other than that he is for Trump, and that past behavior predicts future behavior.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  196. ‘we go to war with the candidate we have’ not the one we wish, fifty years of gramscian penetration has rendered too many cognitively impaired to recognize reality, this was ayers handiwork, and many other minions, the alien ants in the sludge that passes for panem et circens, (springer, maury and other vermin) the media is so retromingent with the truth, that they would bare third degree burns if an when the come in contact with itw
    eight years ago, there was someone who was earnest to a fault, as scrupulous as one can be in the world and still be in public life, well we know the reward she earned for that exercise,

    narciso (732bc0)

  197. “Even when he chased the moneychangers out of the Temple I do not think he resorted to profanity.”

    That does it. Now I’m looking for my bullwhip.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. Feel free to vote for Trump because Clinton is worse.
    As I have said before,
    I may end up doing that as well,
    but that as an effective response to the problems of our country
    is like pi##ing into a hurricane.

    Don’t kid yourself somehow that voting for Trump is going to set the country on the right course,
    it’s not,
    and if some people want to acknowledge that,
    i won’t argue with them.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  199. in your berg as it did in mind, it probably scarcely matters, up wobegon way, ellison, franken and dayton are some horrid multiheaded beast even herodotus couldn’t envision, the slithy toves, that operate in the people’s republic, well we’re all too familiar with them,

    narciso (732bc0)

  200. here and in perfidious albions, the root causes are much the same, mr. khan seems a little silent, about what is done in the name of the faith he professes,

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695042/ali-hammuda-al-manar-mosque-young-british-muslims-cardiff-sex-slaves

    narciso (732bc0)

  201. I’ve not taken a position on Trump vs Hillary on the blogs I comment on. I’m a regular reader of this blog but rarely if ever comment. As bad as Trump “might” be we already know there is no American Hillary will not sacrifice in her quest to be the Queen. And now that she knows she is above the law as the FBI so helpfully told her, what law or Constitutional authority will she not be afraid to violate once she IS the Queen? Her motto should be If standards are good then double standards must be twice as good.

    Trump may be a hot mess but I have no doubt he actually loves America. I can’t say the same for Hillary.

    Trumps released plan for Healthcare is to adopt the Heritage Foundation Recommendations which in my opinion as someone who owns a medical practice is a good idea. If he can convince Ryan and congress to go against their deep pocket donors from the healthcare industry. The Dem’s plan to implement single payor healthcare when the current designed to fail system fails is well on its way. If Trump can get this one aspect of government reversed he is worth a vote. I don’t however think those in power in both parties want to give up their control of one sixth of the economy which is what the whole healthcare takeover is about anyway.

    Azygos (198248)

  202. I think it more likely that Trump will help foster the conditions that will improve the situation for small to medium businesses in the country. I feel for young people and the lack of opportunity. We need job opportunities. Money is important to me, as it should be to everyone, because it’s how we buy stuff. Clinton is a freakin’ Socialist, capital “S”. Just sayin’…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  203. If we are going tobring up islam,
    here is an article:
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/03/22/radicalization-isil-islam-sacred-texts-literal-interpretation-column/81808560/

    he has written several books, he discusses how most Muslims are taught by verbal tradition, not by the direct writings, and are not jihadists,
    but that appeal to the writings is what justifies jihad.

    I.e, Islam is a big problem, not all Muslims are.
    (But yeah, knowing who is who is a big problem, and we could do a lot better than we are doing now).

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  204. This place has turned into Goldilocks and teh Three Bears with few aware that when the house is on fire, you fight it with the best available suppression tool. Trump is way way way way way way far from perfect, but shirking your duty is not the answer.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. 206. With all due respect, refer to Acts 22 and tell us that Saul was a human acting on his own recognizance, just as Paul was with merely a new set of beliefs, a new world view.

    Following Daily Caller Tucker Carlson, the Republican Party has been in some measure redefined. You can of course remove whatever support you maintained including not voting for its nominees but your argument is casuistry–in this instance only you are promoting the office in importance over the country as a whole.

    The strain required on your logic at the behest of your emotion is evident.

    DNF (755a85)

  206. Last comment,
    Yes, Clinton is a socialist and terrible,
    Trump is for Trump
    past performance is the best predictor of future behavior.
    He may hold up the Heritage foundation plan on health care reform today,
    but whether that means he will still propose that 4 months from now,
    is kind of like being married,
    works for him until something more attractive comes along.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  207. I do try to inform my self about all religions, last time they jeered at god and israel, this time it was merely the american soldier and patrolmen, the harpies that were outside of the convention, represented more than those minions inside the Capitol Hall.

    narciso (732bc0)

  208. I don’t think it is a strain at all,
    if someone says,
    “I will not vote for an arrogant fool”
    who am I to tell them to violate their conscience.

    We’re not talking good and evil here,
    we are talking about two forms of godlessness.
    I don’t see how Paul comes into it,
    God would need to knock Hillary or Trump either one off of their high horse.

    Colonel,
    in terms of your analogy,
    Hillary is a pistol sized squirt gun.
    Trump is a super soaker
    are you really that glad you have a super soaker?
    Sure, use the super soaker,
    just don’t be surprised if the house burns down anyway.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  209. all politicians dissapoint, this is why it is foolish to put trust in any of them, I do recall that somewhere. but they are imperfect vehicles in a fallen world, the words of hank johnson, and this little exchange put paid to the notion they practically no group they will not ‘throw under the bus’

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/NO-HOLDS-BARRED-Hillary-Clintons-treatment-of-Michael-Oren-as-ambassador-446153

    narciso (732bc0)

  210. 207. Our choices are inexplicable. I did vote for Norm Coleman in what, 2002, but then the fecklessness of the MN GOP only burgeoned.

    My current Congresscritter, Emmer, voted for JEF’s bathroom abomination.

    DNF (755a85)

  211. One problem with human institutions,
    like a political party,
    is that they forget their original function
    and focus energies on simply maintaining themselves.

    When it is time for reform,
    and when it is time to start over,
    are beyond me.

    I’m not saying that people aren’t praying,
    but praying is a whole lot more important than supporting the Republican party because it is the republican party.

    Te country as a whole is what is important,
    and it is in deep trouble no matter who is elected president.
    Good night.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  212. yikes, it’s funny how the top men took to heart what happened with franken, and used it as a battering ram against joe miller, they drove a stake into mcmillan’s back, with a wry assault from major renault, and about macho grande, well you know the drill,

    narciso (732bc0)

  213. 217. If its not a strain then address the question. You are elevating your personal taste over social good.

    And do not flee to the rancor dodge.

    DNF (755a85)

  214. Clinton is a disaster,
    we know that,
    the World mag articles suggest she is even in league, even if indirecty, with Boko harum

    yes, yes, vote against her

    but Trump is terrible too,
    someone who deserves to be no where near the presidency (9we are having a string of that)
    and if someone legitimately thinks,
    I can’t vote for either of these people”
    I am not going to argue hard with them

    perhaps time would be better spent writing to trump to tell him to quit doing things to pi** people off and give them a reason to vote for him instead of more reasons not to

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  215. 223. Ok, you have no defense just commitment. Fine. You must have cooking to do or some insect to mount.

    We have no further need of you in this discussion.

    DNF (755a85)

  216. The social good is not having an arrogant fool in the WH.

    it is not a matter of “personal taste”.

    Show me where it is said that an arrogant fool who scoffs at God will prosper,
    can you do that?
    then why claim it it is such an all important thing to do that.

    Keeping commandments are neither personal tastes nor mere social good.

    Perhaps you didn’t read clearly,
    i said if the election was today I would probably vote for Trump because of how bad Clinton is,
    but people like you just keep daring me to change my mind.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  217. rest assured one will find more things to fault him, oren wasn’t all that kean with netanyahu’s performance, as hard as it is to fathom, yet he seems to have stayed steadfast,

    narciso (732bc0)

  218. Let me say it for the 499th time,
    voting for Trump because Clinton is just so terrible is a very reasonable stance,

    but if for one second you think you are getting something other than a narcissistic fool whose pattern of behavior has shown him to be an impulsive petty tyrant,
    you are wrong.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  219. 227. Actually I’m more worried he’ll have no constituency in Congress, like Jimmah.

    But then I move on rather earlier than you, like 6 months ago.

    DNF (755a85)

  220. it’s a concern, the latest duma deliberations have yielded a fresh new social security levy, oh frabjous joy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  221. 229. It maybe time to do something with those 90 nuclear devices rather than let Erdogan get his mits on them.

    To have Abaddon’s Anointeds handling the situation is very, very scary.

    DNF (755a85)

  222. he is the one who said he will draw disappointed Sanders voters (there’s a conservative stand for ya…)

    This is a fairly ridiculous complaint. If Cruz was the nominee he wouldn’t try to attract Sanders voters? If not then he’s incompetent.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  223. 229. Cont. At least Pooter is reliable. A couple SS-18s ought to keep Erdogan covered hour by hour.

    DNF (755a85)

  224. since politics seems to be a mugs came,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqJK_s7I9EY

    narciso (732bc0)

  225. Burning Down The House Voting Down Teh Louse

    Watch out you might get what you’re after
    Boomer babies it’s strange but could be stranger
    He’s no ordinary guy
    Voting down teh louse

    Hold tight and learn to grab your noses
    Vote right and know that smell ain’t roses
    There has got to be a way
    Voting down teh louse

    Trump’s the ticket, she’s a hag
    It’s time we proudly fly the flag
    The situation is clear
    Close enough for you to taste
    A hasty choice is made in haste
    Fight their fire with fire

    She’s brash. No law she won’t be breaking
    Shakedown! The liberties she’s taking
    One hundred days until we vote
    Voting down teh louse

    This land was built upon a rock sometimes I listen to myself
    My hesitation ain’t fear
    There’s people in dire need of work and baby got to lend a hand
    ’cause our freedoms are dear

    Big scam. That Hillary’s got cankles
    Watch out! She’ll make us grab our ankles
    Her software sure does need a patch
    Voting down teh louse

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  226. Gerald A.,

    Why would somebody who wants free college and higher taxes on the rich and socialism all around want to vote for Trump or Cruz?

    I thought we learned this in past elections, turning out your base is more important than going after the ephemeral undecideds.

    Ridiculous? Disagree if you want and tell me why, but ridiculous??

    narciso, I leave it to you

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  227. #FourNeverHillary!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  228. Gerald A.,

    Why would somebody who wants free college and higher taxes on the rich and socialism all around want to vote for Trump or Cruz?

    I thought we learned this in past elections, turning out your base is more important than going after the ephemeral undecideds.

    Ridiculous? Disagree if you want and tell me why, but ridiculous??

    narciso, I leave it to you

    MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/30/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    I believe there are polls showing that some Sanders voters prefer Trump to Clinton. People have various reason for supporting someone. They’re not necessarily all people craving free stuff. If you don’t think it’s going to work you could be right, but being offended by it just doesn’t compute.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  229. how does a protege of jesse helms go so wrong,

    narciso (732bc0)

  230. #232 Gerald A,

    You didn’t cite who wrote that quip, so I can’t see any other context, but that sentiment is so indicative of our puritanical friends who are more interested in academic arguments than they are in actually winning elections which enables one to be in better position to implement policy.
    I think there’s a good percentage of them who would rather lose with a rigid purist such as Goldwater, than win with Ronald Reagan who was happy to get 70 or 80% of what he wants.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  231. Ms Fonseca is a fooking traitor!!!

    I damn her to hell!!

    And fook Mark Cuban and all Hillary lickers too!

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  232. And if thy rightwinger eyes offend thee, pluck them out, and cast them from thee: for it is probable that thee should perish, and not that thy vote should be cast into hell.

    And if thy rightwinger hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is probable that thee hast been excessively stroking thy member and spilling thy seed on teh ground.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  233. Oh, CS,
    Really,
    You think Trump is a 70%?

    And I wasn’t offended by disagreement,
    I was bothered by having a legitimate issue called ridiculous.

    Yes, I suppose there are some Dems who can’t stand Clinton so much that they would rather vote for an R that agrees with them on nothing,
    Though others have said they were going to vote R instead of Clinton, but since the R’s gave them Trump they don’t know what to do.

    I don’t know what will happen with the election, I don’t know how to do political calculations or read the polls,
    but I do observe people and know how they behave, no matter what they say,
    I have seen plenty of Trump over the years and see my impressions confirmed.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  234. they agree on trade, the rigged nature of the system, which was put on display so blatantly last week,

    narciso (732bc0)

  235. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/30/2016 @ 8:36 pm

    I think some people want to get back at Trump, or maybe at Trump’s supporters, which is childish. This idea that he’s indistinguishable policy wise from Clinton is bizarre and seems to be something they have to say to justify not voting. I don’t like him but I’ve concluded he has a lot more ability than I previously thought. I expect he’d nominate a non-liberal SCOTUS judge, like Kennedy, or if we’re fortunate, more conservative than that. That’s the single most important outcome I’m hoping for if he’s elected.

    There’s talk that the Dems will just stonewall and leave SCOTUS at 8 judges if he’s elected, if they control the Senate. I don’t know if he’d try to cut a deal and put a Souter type on. But – if Kasich or Bush were Prez in that situation I’m virtually certain they’d do that. I think it’s less likely Trump would cut a deal than either of those. At worst he’d be no better than them. Now of course Cruz wouldn’t cut a deal, but that’s irrelevant at this point. You have to live in the real world.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  236. #244 MD in Philly,

    What in God’s name are you talking about, do I think Trump is a 70%er?
    No, of course he’s not a 70%er.
    I was very clearly talking about Barry Goldwater VS Ronald Reagan.
    (Facepalm.)
    Please read more carefully, eh?
    Barry Goldwater couldn’t get elected because he was rigid, academic, and showed zero interest in persuading middle of the road voters.
    Reagan got elected because he sought out everyone’s vote.
    Nobody refers to “Goldwater Democrats.”
    But there’s a famous demographic of “Reagan Democrats.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  237. I would eagerly vote for a Boehner/McConnell ticket, or vice versa against Clinton,

    all I ask for is someone who is not a lying sociopath.

    I really don’t understand the failure here.

    Go by what a person does and has done,
    not what they promise during a campaign.
    Is that really so hard to agree with?
    Hasn’t all of our experience these last many years tell us that?

    As we all know, doctors are always concerned about whether patients take their medications or not,
    lots of studies have been done because it is so important,
    (HIV patients needed to be like 95%+ compliant with meds to prevent treatment failure)
    All said and done, the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior,
    Unless there has been some significant change, such as an alcoholic becoming abstinent.

    Trump today is the same person who gave money to Clinton, who said she would be a great president, etc., etc. He also is the same Trump who c we make a great deal and leave somebody else with the bankruptcy proceedings.
    Don’t kid yourself, Clinton is terrible and maybe Trump will end up not as bad as feared.

    But comparing his background to his promises
    is about on the order of Obama,
    yeah, this friend of Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright was going to heal division, because he said he was the one who we were waiting for
    Same thing

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  238. CS,
    Why are you trying so hard to insult someone who said he would vote for Trump?
    Yes, I can read, and you likened people who didn’t want to vote for Trump to people who demanded to vote for Goldwater instead of Reagan.
    And I replied that was not really accurate unless you were equating Trump with a 70% like Reagan.

    If I knew Trump was 1% (one percent) and not a scam artist I would happily vote for him over Clinton.

    He is a fraud. You do not know what you are getting except another megalomaniac.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  239. Notice how Trump’s children look like him.

    When did that become universal?

    Take #42 for instance.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  240. Some doubt he was the ovipositor.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  241. MD in Philly,

    Are we discussing the same thread?
    I asked you to please read more carefully — that’s definitely not an insult. And I didn’t ask you if you can read, per se, so please don’t accuse me of saying that, eh?

    I was very clearly talking about Goldwater and Reagan in #241.

    Reagan won because he reached out to Democrat voters — that’s how you win elections, by getting people to vote for your guy who would otherwise vote for the other guy (or gal).
    On the other hand, Goldwater was rigid and academic-sounding, and dared people to reject him.

    Preaching to the choir may be satisfying for a nominee, but you need to attract more congregants in order to win elections.
    And that’s what politics is all about — winning elections.
    Because you don’t get to govern unless you win, right?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  242. 245. Bernie supporters and Trump supporters are just 2 different types of white refugees who fled California. The former go to Portland and Denver, the latter go to Phoenix, Boise, SLC, and Texas.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  243. 245. Bernie supporters and Trump supporters are just 2 different types of white refugees who fled California. The former go to Portland and Denver, the latter go to Phoenix, Boise, SLC, and Texas.

    You want the freaky [edited] to go back where they came from?

    Vote Trump.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  244. Chelsea got plastic surgery to “enhance” the family resemblance.
    Link

    Heh.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  245. …according to the security firm Crowdstrike, the hackers were parked in the DNC servers for months, [months!] raising the possibility that there may still be more emails to come, potentially some that are fabricated.

    Excerpt frm Email Hack Unmasks a Commander-in-Chief Who Can’t Even Protect Herself
    link

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  246. You tell me, CS.

    Yes, you were clearly talking about Goldwater and Reagan.
    I thought you were not doing it as a mere exercise, but because you were drawing some sort of lesson or parrallel in regards to Trump,
    with the suggestion that I inferred was that those who were anti-trump were like Goldwater folks who demanded a higher level of purity,
    who would not be happy with a mere 70% like reagan.

    was that not along the lines of what you were saying??

    I don’t mind disagreement, but it seems like what I am clearly saying is not registering.
    It is not an issue for me “How conservative” Trump is.
    I would vote for sanders before I would vote for Clinton, because i think he might be completely misled as a socialist, but he is not corrupt and evil. he is not Stalin, he would be purged by Stalin. I could vote for bernie over Clinton.

    No one knows what Trump is politically, all you have is talk as a politician,
    and life as a non-politician and as a candidate to look at it.

    I d o n o t c a r e w h a t a p e r s o n s a y s ….
    I care what I see them doing.
    What I have seen Trump doing as a person and as a candidate tells me he is not to be trusted with the presidency.

    Do you think there was 70% agreement between Trump and Cruz? 50% Why was that not enough for Trump?

    Reagan won, IMO, because he reached out to Americans first, foundational principles that were simple and agreed with by the public but that were oblvious to DC. Trump did similar in saying, look, control immigration, control the border, how hard a concept is that? And that was very effective.
    But Trump has his history to live with, not just his words.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  247. “Lord, neither of these candidates has shown any willingness to humble themselves and faithfully execute the role of president of the United States, please have mercy and do something”

    Simultaneous lightning bolts would do fine.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  248. In the past, I have thought that one really has to make a choice of the candidates offered. But this election offers NO candidates (not even among third parties) worth wasting one’s vote on.

    There should be a movement to boycott both parties. Leave the top line blank, or spoiled. Make the winner CLEARLY have no mandate to govern. Instead of the 130 million votes cast last time, make it 47 million votes. It won’t matter who wins, they will be politically crippled. Congress will be able to run right over them, assuming they don’t just resign (they won’t). It might mean that the Supreme Court has 6 members in 2019, but whatever. They’ll make do.

    BOYCOTT THIS ABORTION.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  249. Boana Fide Fajitas
    Skirt Steak slow smoked over wood coals.
    lime, chillies, garlic, cumin, some Pico De Gallo on a warm flour tortilla.
    Nirvana.

    mg (31009b) — 7/30/2016 @ 6:06 pm

    Perfectly agreeable, but I have to add sauteed bell pepper and red onion. Do you marinate your skirt steak? For me, overnight in just some OJ.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  250. Well, HEADLINE POLLING NEWS!…Trump beat HRC 129-34 at the Elkhart, IN County 4-H Fair Straw Poll!

    Of course, there were something like 10K people who attended the fair and were eligible to vote. Low voter turnout!!! :)

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  251. Bill H – marinade overnight
    12 oz. beer
    medium onion chopped
    juice of 2 limes
    bay leaf
    2 tbsp worchestire
    1 tbsp chilli powder
    1 tease fresh ground black pepper
    1 tbsp tobasco
    1 tsp. ground cumin
    drain and reserve the marinade if you want top mop the skirt. Just heat it up before mopping.

    mg (31009b)

  252. top with pico de gallo

    mg (31009b)

  253. The koch brothers need to be Hitchcocked.

    mg (31009b)

  254. What does the religion teach on the matter?

    I hold Judaism frowns on this barbarism.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  255. I trust my Jewish brethren will correct me, should I get anything wrong.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  256. …top with pico de galloor

    mg (31009b) — 7/31/2016 @ 3:20 am

    Yeah, that too. The horse just might get away with something.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  257. worcestershire

    mg (31009b)

  258. Mr. Trump will do so good for to uphold the rowings and the wadings (yay!)

    stinkypig will do partial birth judges all up on them wiggle giggles (frowny face)

    Who will save your soul you don’t vote Mr. Trump?

    Not Jesus Christ that’s for sure.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  259. Dammit all, mg. Trust you to get to the heart of matter.

    “The big and the tall, the short and the …”

    Aww, fukkitt.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  260. My friend in the beltway, found some more morsels in American thinkers

    narciso (732bc0)

  261. Yes. And it was excellent.

    mg (31009b)

  262. I hold Judaism frowns on this barbarism.
    If you mean mg’s recipe, it isn’t from my bubbie’s kitchen, but I don’t spot anything not kosher. The beer would be a problem during Passover, of course.

    If you mean choosing between Trump and Clinton…yes, the Torah would have definite problems with both. Skim through Psalms and see what David had to say about the arrogant and corrupt.

    kishnevi (8d3389)

  263. As a homage to my possible future President, I did not shake hands with the people in the pew behind me. Of course, it didn’t help they had been sneezing throughout the Mass.

    urbanleftbehind (cb1822)

  264. bioterrorism ugh

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  265. @275, we both know you know better.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  266. As a homage to my possible future President, I did not shake hands with the people in the pew behind me. Of course, it didn’t help they had been sneezing throughout the Mass.

    urbanleftbehind (cb1822) — 7/31/2016 @ 8:11 am

    Do you realize how small a population you are reaching? No a criticism but a question.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  267. The father of the fallen Muslim soldier is making the rounds among the MSM shows. Looks like he’s the 2016 version of Cindy Sheehan.
    Not only did the MSM finally discover a fallen soldier they can mourn, but they finally found a religious man they won’t mock.

    Their son died in Iraq in 2004.
    I’m sorry for their loss, and I respect their son for making the ultimate sacrifice for our country, but it just looks too cynical that Team Clinton is mourning the loss of a soldier who died 12 years ago during the Bush Administration when there have been Americans who’ve died at the hands of terrorists much more recently during the Barack Administration.
    Why didn’t the Democrats parade any of the parents of people who were killed at Fort Hood? … or Benghazi? Or San Bernardino or Orlando?
    (It’s a rhetorical question — we know the answer.)

    When Cindy Sheehan’s son was killed, it was Bush’s fault. With Khan’s death, it’s almost as if they’re trying to get Donald Trump to retroactively share the blame.
    Someone should tell American voters that this Hillary woman actually voted to authorize the Invasion of Iraq. Why aren’t the Khans angry at her for that vote? (That’s another rhetorical question. LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  268. You have to give Trump great credit for the utter stupidity with which he managed to turn a 90 second wonder into a three day dead loss wrt the Khan family. He was played like a fiddle and then picked up a bass drum just to make sure no one missed the absolute fact he is an ego driven idiot.

    Rick Ballard (8a237d)

  269. nobody gives a crap about the “khan family”

    not team stinkypig

    not anybody else

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  270. Bulltrump, CS. Khan’s point was that Muslims are Americans too, and that his son was more of a patriot than the orange pansy. No Cindy Sheehan anti-war crap, as much as Trumpsuckers might want to spin it that way. The orange pansy should have kept his filthy mouth shut.

    nk (dbc370)

  271. And up yours, happyfeet.

    nk (dbc370)

  272. 281. As Hillary Clinton put it:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/donald-trump-khizr-khan-wife-ghazala.html

    “Someone who attacks everybody has something missing,” she told a crowd at a campaign stop in Youngstown, Ohio. “I don’t know what it is. I’m not going to get into that.”

    Explanation: In testing out ideas, there was no phrase describing what’s allegedly wrong with Trump that was optimal, both in maximum anti-Trumpiness and in percentage of people agreeing with it. If you went for maximum anti-Trumpiness you lost something in credibility and vice versa. So she’s not getting into that. But the simple idea that Trump was invariably attacking everybody who criticized him, no matter who they were, and no matter how boo-able his counter-attack, played really well. (because it’s true.)

    Trump also had decided that Mike Bloomberg had a height problem, like Rubio, and that his third term as mayor wasn’t really good, after all, and that Bloomberg didn’t have the guts to run for president, which wasn’t the reason he didn’t run.

    Sammy Finkelman (7fce49)

  273. manufactured pitifulness Mr. nk

    it’s all you really need to fill the filthmerican trough anymnore

    they slurp it up and ask for more

    but not me

    I’m ahead of the game!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  274. *anymore* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  275. Yes, Khan is being exploited, but it’s in a good cause.

    The “up yours” was for your earlier comment, BTW.

    nk (dbc370)

  276. “Not only did the MSM finally discover a fallen soldier they can mourn, but they finally found a religious man they won’t mock.”

    That’s what’s in play here, nk. Wake up and smell the catfood.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  277. it’s not a good cause it’s just pitiful

    stinkypig was a key part of the same administration what’s treated (and is still treating) veterans like something nasty you wipe off your shoe then stomp on to make sure it’s dead then you have to wipe your shoe again

    and there you go you’re welcome

    i put you some clarity

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  278. We had to suffer thru how many years of anti-war, anti-American, anti-Christian horsesh*t from these people? That you don’t acknowledge that is your own personal failing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  279. why’s everything a personal failing anymore jeeze louise

    it’s not all that fraught really it’s just not

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  280. I’ve pretty sure Sammy Finkelman is a Democrat.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  281. i’m pretty sure sammy is sammy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  282. I have known, for a long time, that 1) “journalism” is a sub-genre of fiction; and 2) that the American media is by and large the house organ of the Democratic Party.

    It would have been so easy for Trump to have defused this: “My goal is to protect all Americans from the Islamic terrorists who killed his son.”

    No, the f***face had to personally attack Mrs. Khan. “Maybe she was not allowed to speak.”

    Hey, you New York pimp! Maybe she was not allowed to spread herself nude all over the pages of a men’s magazine, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  283. that’s defining “personally attack” a lot down I think Mr. nk

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  284. a lot of them ones don’t get to speak you know (i blame the patriarchy)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  285. Bill H – marinade overnight
    12 oz. beer
    medium onion chopped
    juice of 2 limes
    bay leaf
    2 tbsp worchestire
    1 tbsp chilli powder
    1 tease fresh ground black pepper
    1 tbsp tobasco
    1 tsp. ground cumin
    drain and reserve the marinade if you want top mop the skirt. Just heat it up before mopping.

    mg (31009b) — 7/31/2016 @ 3:19 am

    That’s a fairly sophisticated marinade. Any specific beer? I know some are a little more acidic than others. It would be more a matter of flavor than anything else.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  286. When Cindy Sheehan’s son was killed, it was Bush’s fault. With Khan’s death, it’s almost as if they’re trying to get Donald Trump to retroactively share the blame.

    I guess we’re going to have to put up with the #UltimateMoreAuthothority equation again. In which St. Cindy of Sheehan has and Xean Zmith hath not.

    For the record, if anyone even keeps records anymore on public servers, if someone got killed as brother in arms and was a Muslim I would do my best to give him or her a proper farewell.

    ismillaah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem
    Al hamdu lillaahi rabbil ‘alameen
    Ar-Rahman ar-Raheem Maaliki yaumid Deen
    Iyyaaka na’abudu wa iyyaaka nasta’een
    Ihdinas siraatal mustaqeem
    Siraatal ladheena an ‘amta’ alaihim
    Ghairil maghduubi’ alaihim waladaaleen
    Aameen

    In the name of God, the infinitely Compassionate and Merciful.
    Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.
    The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.
    You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.
    Guide us on the straight path,
    the path of those who have received your grace;
    not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray.
    Amen.

    I would have to preface it with the explanations about the insults towards the Jews and Christians. Bet you missed that.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  287. …That’s a fairly sophisticated marinade. Any specific beer? I know some are a little more acidic than others. It would be more a matter of flavor than anything else.

    Bill H (971e5f) — 7/31/2016 @ 10:51 am

    You only need one out of the six pack. Experiment. Take your time. Don’t overthink it, it could be fun.

    I say this as a survivor of the SARS epidemic who was actually in in south east Asia, and who purified it with alcohol.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  288. My wife drinks Stella Artois. I use it.

    mg (31009b)

  289. My wife drinks Stella Artois. I use it.

    mg (31009b) — 7/31/2016 @ 11:13 am

    For what?

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  290. nk,

    The media are making Mr Khan out to be the next Cindy Sheehan — that’s to say, the mourning parent whose perspective on politics is not to be challenged by Republicans. The fact that they’ve trashed the parents of the Benghazi fallen is proof positive that it’s all a political bias. Mr Khan is supporting Hillary. If Mr Khan were supporting Trump, they’d blast him the way they blasted Sean Smith’s mother.
    By the way, Mr Khan said on CNN today that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.
    Perhaps he ought to take that argument to the big dogs running Islamic State — they might differ with him on that point.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  291. Nothing personal. I just have never found a practical use for Stella Artois.

    Unless of course the stripper you are drinking with likes Stella Artois.

    And then you deserve everything you are going to get.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  292. By the way, Mr Khan said on CNN today that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam.
    Perhaps he ought to take that argument to the big dogs running Islamic State — they might differ with him on that point.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/31/2016 @ 11:25 am

    Does Islam have to make it this easy for me?

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them)

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2977
    In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 186
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 220
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    Yes. I am pissed off.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  293. nk (dbc370) — 7/31/2016 @ 10:39 am

    Maybe she was not allowed to spread herself nude all over the pages of a men’s magazine, either.

    Pictures of Melania Trump, taken in 1995, were leaked and published today on the front page and pages 2 and 3 of the New York Post.

    Probably not by Ted Cruz.

    Truump told the New York Post that this was taken before he knew her, and for a European magazine where pictures like that are very fashionable and common.

    Some of the pictures were published, but others were not. This would seem to implicate the pphotographer or an agency. The pictures were shot in New York by Ale de Basseville, who also spoke now to the New York Post. If he sold them to Rupert Murdoch, I suppose it’s legal, but the New York Post does not out and out say so.

    Sammy Finkelman (7fce49)

  294. HTF were pictures taken for publication “leaked?”

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  295. i suspect trashbag liz mair probably had something to do with it Mr. F

    she’s obsessed with melania’s tits

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  296. My niece is engaged. Which means I am halfway into my grave.

    http://thepirateslair.com/nautical-naval-antiques-cutlass-boarding-ax-pike.html

    http://www.tobeapirate.com/store/pDetails.php?pcode=520&category_id=36&category_name=Nautical%20Sextant&action=show

    The Yew Ess Navy. Arithmetic and axe murdering will be on the final exam.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  297. (Interestingly enough, I could not find an online transcript of Bill Clinton’s speech in Philadelphia. If anyone finds it, feel free to run the test and let us know where it stands.)

    Here is one place the speech iis. It is the speech “as delivereddd” Possibly no transcript was released.

    http://time.com/4425599/dnc-bill-clinton-speech-transcript-video

    I don’t think I can do the test.

    I am going to try to extrract the etstm, and edit it (it doesn’t copy paste perfectly) and e-mail it to you.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  298. Sammy, @307.

    Another shoe dropping. 1995, eh? I wonder when the Rocco Siffredi movies will make their appearance.

    nk (dbc370)

  299. Just saw them. http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/ NSFW
    I was right about the silicone. Heh!

    nk (dbc370)

  300. “260. Make the winner CLEARLY have no mandate to govern. Instead of the 130 million votes cast last time, make it 47 million votes. It won’t matter who wins, they will be politically crippled.”

    You know what they call the presidential candidate who gets 23.6M of of 47M votes in 2016?
    “The President of The United States of America”
    You know what they called Gerald Ford, who got ZERO votes? “Mr. President” He even got to sign bills into law, and to make Executive Orders. With no votes, and hence no mandate. Imagine that.

    Your statement is as silly as that actress’s statememt about Bush in 2000 — “He is not *my* president.”
    Right, sweetie, because while he may not be *your* president, he is The President. With all the powers of that office. Including the power to make Executive Orders all day long.

    So maybe the Supreme Court has only 6 members in 2019. You know what power a 4-2 decision has? Same power as a 9-0 decision.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  301. Maybe she was not allowed to spread herself nude all over the pages of a men’s magazine, either.

    nk (dbc370) — 7/31/2016 @ 10:39 am

    ========================================

    I knew there’d be something special to be extra thankful for today…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  302. #314 fred,

    Excellent response.
    But can’t you imagine Hillary proclaiming, “Well, I may have won, but there was only 30% turnout, and so I feel that I lack a mandate and that I should forfeit some of my executive powers to Congress, since they represent the people at a more local level. I will try to govern as a humble President with this lack of mandate in mind.
    Her husband won with only 43% of the popular vote in ’92 (turnout was about 55%), yet that didn’t deter him from governing as if he had won a Reagan or Johnson mandate.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  303. 308. Steve57 (2d3b12) — 7/31/2016 @ 12:48 pm

    HTF were pictures taken for publication “leaked?”

    The New York Post used words that made it sound that way.

    “The Post has learned” “were obtained exclusively by The Post.”

    But that’s not Wikileaks. They bought them from the rights holder.

    Sammy Finkelman (7fce49)

  304. Pirate’s Lair is in Stafford Va, a bit inland for a pirate, but Stafford is an easy drive from DC and Richmond, and home of the White Oak Museum, best little museum you never heard of
    http://www.visitfred.com/things-to-do/museums-historical/white-oak-civil-war-museum

    Basically a house full of artifacts collected by one local man.

    kishnevi (7bc26d)

  305. 3. TheNaBr (0c7c2f) — 7/29/2016 @ 3:56 pm

    I’m blown away at the 1.2 vs 1.3 sentences per paragraph. How’s that even possible!? Must be a formatting issue from the transcript.

    It’s probably a result of the fact that it is:

    1) Speech, and not a written essay.

    2) Prepared for the teleprompter.

    Sammy Finkelman (03c82c)

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