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7/27/2016

Big Media Distorts Trump’s Appeal to Russians to “Find” Hillary’s Emails

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:47 pm

Here’s what he actually said:

Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you would probably be rewarded mightily by our press.

This was followed up by a similar tweet:

Now here is how Big Media portrayed the Con Man’s comments:

Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s email — Politico (cached link; no links for bullies)

Donald Trump to Russia: hack and publish Hillary Clinton’s ‘missing’ emails — Guardian

Donald Trump Calls on Russia to Hack Hillary Clinton’s Emails — Time

Donald Trump Calls on Russia to Hack Hillary Clinton’s Email — US Weekly

Bullshit. Hillary, remember, wiped her server. With a cloth, some say! So there’s nothing left to hack. Trump was just saying: if you have the emails, release them.

The Washington Post has corrected their original headline — “Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails” — to “Trump invites Russia to meddle in the U.S. presidential race with Clinton’s emails.” Here is the original headline:

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NPR has corrected its original headline — “Trump Calls On Russia To Hack Into Clinton’s Emails” — to “Clinton Campaign Says Trump Encouraged Espionage With Hacking Comment.” Here is the original headline:

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How is it that so many outlets rushed to accuse Trump of asking the Russians to “hack” Hillary, and then (in some cases) decided to backtrack? Well, because that was the Democrat spin, you see.

Clinton’s senior policy adviser Jake Sullivan said in an emailed statement: “This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent. That’s not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”

Yeah, that’s not the facts. That’s just hyperbole.

I feel absolutely no obligation to defend Donald Trump. Screw Donald Trump. I think what he did here — essentially laugh at the possibility that Russia might have hacked the emails of the Secretary of State — is typical Trump irresponsibility. Although his comments were nowhere near as irresponsible as the decisions made by the former Secretary of State that put these emails at risk.

The left flipped out about this so much that they were even talking about how Trump should be charged with a felony for musing about Russia and the emails. But unless Stupidity in the First Degree is an actual felony, they should be talking about charging the candidate who actually committed a crime with respect to these emails.

113 Responses to “Big Media Distorts Trump’s Appeal to Russians to “Find” Hillary’s Emails”

  1. I hate everybody

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. Another shiny object for them to follow down a rabbit hole.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. Great post. Fair.

    Trump did this, near as I can tell, to snooker the Democrats into responding, which they promptly did, and egging them on to engage in a conversation about poor email security, hacks and espionage (and, by extension, a stolen primary!), all of which highlights Hillary’s weaknesses and corruption.

    It was a gambit. The media reports, “Hey, Trump said a stupid thing,” and then people go, “Oh, but Hillary Clinton—WTF?!”

    The Dems fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Not everyone’s cup of tea as far as politics go (it’s very hard ball). Even Trump holding a press conference during the DNC is unusual (and a bit disrespectful). However, politically, it’s a strong blow. Reminds me of this quote from Von Clausewitz:

    The first and most important rule to observe … is to use our entire forces with the utmost energy. The second rule is to concentrate our power as much as possible against that section where the chief blows are to be delivered and to incur disadvantages elsewhere, so that our chances of success may increase at the decisive point. The third rule is never to waste time. Unless important advantages are to be gained from hesitation, it is necessary to set to work at once. By this speed a hundred enemy measures are nipped in the bud, and public opinion is won most rapidly. Finally, the fourth rule is to follow up our successes with the utmost energy. Only pursuit of the beaten enemy gives the fruits of victory.

    This is what Trump did here: hit them when they are down.

    That’s why he’s going to destroy the Democratic Party over and above beating Hillary Clinton, bad.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  4. stinkypig was very careless even corrupt FBI poodleboy James Comey says so

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. So Trump wants all those e-mails about yoga, dance routines, wedding plans, and harmless private e-mails made public? We were told she didn’t send any classified material so whats the harm?

    Azygos (198248)

  6. Yep, I’ve been at it with some liberal friends and some random people on blogs over this various issue. I’m not accustomed to defending This Guy, but what’s right is right.

    JVW (f97acd)

  7. It’s terrible when you have to pick sides in this, and you find the flaming a-hole is the more reasonable contender.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. I really really want to see them arrest Trump over this. I don’t THINK they’re that stupid, but you never know.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  9. If the emails were indeed about yoga and weddings, why would the Clinton camp care if they were released? But we know better. The media has to protect Hillary at all costs, circle the wagon, and focus on Trump’s betrayal to America instead. Anything but those emails!

    Of course, it all reminds me how Gov. Sarah Palin’s emails were hacked and several media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times and New York Times went full bore in digging into them, providing readers with databases to scour them, and even asked readers to do oppo research and report back what scandalous and salacious items they uncovered. (Which added up to a big, fat zero.)

    The double-standard is despicable.

    Dana (995455)

  10. Good to see that the old JournoList spirit is still strong!

    radar (e845ad)

  11. Jake Sullivan of the obviously traitorous Rhodes road show.

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. You can name check at least one scribe from every major publication on those emails, that’s why ardilla!

    narciso (732bc0)

  13. Here’s the link to the NY times’ begging for help in finding dirt on Palin.

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/help-us-investigate-the-sarah-palin-e-mail-records

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  14. “Trump was just saying: if you have the emails, release them”

    No, that’s absurd. If they already had them, they wouldn’t rightly have to “find” them, now would they?

    Tillman (a95660)

  15. This was so brilliant by Trump.
    It injects more questions about Hillary’s emails falling into the hands of the Russians. Espionage. Everything. So more low information voters hear about it for the first time.

    Of course, if they’re just emails about yoga, the supermarket, and Chelsea’s wedding, then it’s no big deal, right?

    He’s going to have a home run moment in the first debate when he says that Team Clinton wants to have him arrested for talking about her emails falling into the hands of the Russians, but they don’t want Hillary arrested for being the person EXPOSING the emails in the first place.

    This is literally like The Twilight Zone meets George Orwell. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  16. Good point, Trump Supporter. Grabbing our ankles for Vladimir Putin is the sure fire sign of a strong and dare I say brilliant America leader.

    LOLOLOLOL

    Leviticus (bdf402)

  17. Seriously. I doubted his ability to continue dominating the media narrative once the primaries are over, but now I’m thinking that he might really have a chance. I know the media is in the tank for Hillary, but I think that her opponent is such catnip to them that they can’t help themselves and cover his every utterance which thus far is working in his favor. This is so much weirder and weirder.

    Now the media will no doubt get together for a major hit piece on the GOP candidate to be sprung in August or September, and it will be largely fed to them by Hillary’s opposition research, but for now he seems to be having it his way.

    JVW (f97acd)

  18. The libtards are going down this round. The only question is how many pardons ibn Dunham makes.

    The Clintonistas may be up an open sewer without a paddle.

    DNF (755a85)

  19. #14 Tillman,

    You idiot, when he says “find” them, he’s speak proverbially. He’s actually saying, “Release them, if you have them.”

    But since they’re already deleted and they’re only about yoga and Chelsea’s wedding, nobody has anything to worry about … well, except for the people who KNOW what’s contained in those top secret emails, huh, Tilll-Mannn! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. #17 Leviticus,

    I’m not quite sure I follow your point.
    How are we grabbing our ankles for Putin?
    Hillary’s 30,000 emails were all of a personal nature. They’re about yoga, and Chelsea’s wedding. So how exactly does their content pose a threat to national security in any way?
    The Russians either already have the emails or they don’t.
    The hay is in the barn, as they say.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  21. 17. Every foreign government has Hillary Rotten’s emails. Guccifer 1.0 was Bulgarian, 2.0, who knows?

    You are so obvious.

    DNF (755a85)

  22. Aw, Trump! I’m voting for my dog.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Just like every service had Valerie planes file from 1994 on.

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. The drum beat by the leftist news hacks is right out of the JournoList playbook. Kevin M. hit the nail on the head.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  25. Trump says, “Look at that Russian squirrel”, just to poke the Dems in the ribs,
    And the press and Dems Scream
    “Look out, Trump is calling on the Russian were-bear to eat us!!!!”

    Ridiculous. Trump is the master of this reality comedy,
    if only that was all that this is about.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  26. 23. Low to no information voters should just stay home and not obstruct polling.

    DNF (755a85)

  27. It is about criminal negligence, pursuant to a fraud scheme that involved at least three countries

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. It’s so hilarious that the people who were never fearful that the Russians had Hillary’s emails about yoga, are now freaking out that the Russians might have Hillary’s emails about yoga.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  29. I saw a quote from Leon Panetta about this,
    saying Trump wasn’t fit to be president…

    Why? Don’t they like his sense of humor??

    Tell me, who did the crime,
    the person who asks for the stolen property to be returned,
    or the person on the inside that made the theft possible???

    But that is too many steps of logical argument for most people to track with.

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  30. I saw it pointed out that:
    1) once upon a time WikiLeaks was the hit for the left
    2) Nixon only had a small portion of his tapes missing and look at all of the trouble he got into,
    I guess he should have lost half of his tapes, months’ worth
    His daughter had a wedding too, right?

    MD in Philly (fd8637)

  31. 29. Ba-da-bump cymbal crash.

    DNF (755a85)

  32. Leon’ harangue really didn’t work out for him.

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. The man who sat in church for 20 years listening to a psychotic minister screaming “God D*mn America!” and “The United States of KKK!” and who even launched his first political campaign in the Hyde Park living room of a couple of America-hating terrorists, is now telling us that the United States of America is a wonderful country that is great! And terrific! And stupendous!
    The man’s had an epiphany!

    Who woulda thunk?! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  34. Hillary Clinton can’t be bothered to do a press conference more than once or, at most, twice a year … during the election.

    If I was a Hillary Clinton supporter, I would be so mad.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  35. The man who just spent the past ten minutes demonizing Donald Trump is now telling us that we can’t demonize each other and expect to thrive! (LOL)

    That’s our Barack!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  36. Barack loves coal miners!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  37. And low electricity prices, save.

    narciso (732bc0)

  38. “[and in conclusion]… now really, wouldn’t you really want to drive a Buick?!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. You’re likable enough, Hillary!”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  40. “…. and then there’s Maude! And then there’s Maude. And then there’s Maude….”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. “Sure, she allowed the Russians to hack her emails, but if Guatemala should ever invade, she’s ready to lead!”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. sorry. patterico you have thought Trump an idiot from day one. he is alot smarter than all of you put together.

    The Hillary Clinton campaign didn’t take long to respond to Donald Trump’s comments about how Russia should try to find Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.

    “This has to be the first time that a major presidential candidate has actively encouraged a foreign power to conduct espionage against his political opponent,” senior policy advisor Jake Sullivan said. “That’s not hyperbole, those are just the facts. This has gone from being a matter of curiosity, and a matter of politics, to being a national security issue.”

    …but Trump said nothing about hacking anyone. The Clintons fell for a political mcguffin which complete set them up for a grand admission: there must have been something important to natural security that they destroyed in the supposedly “unimportant & personal” emails of Hillary i.e. “only yoga and wedding emails, etc…

    Charles Krauthammer said on “Special Report” tonight that Trump set a trap, and the Clinton campaign fell right into it.

    He explained that the Clinton campaign statement said it would be a “national security issue,” which contradicts Clinton’s repeated asserted that the missing 33,000 emails were all of a personal nature, not work-related.

    “If that’s what’s really in the 33,000 emails, then there’s no national security to be involved at all,” Krauthammer said. “So the Clinton campaign ends up admitting that perhaps there really is work-related – if not classified – stuff on the emails which she deleted.”

    Krauthammer said that could be grounds for a charge of obstruction, declaring that the Clinton campaign has been caught in a “complete contradiction.”

    get the facts straight: even if you hate Trump and are doing everything in your power to insure he doesn’t get elected president, which would insure Clinton does get elected, what Trump did at the press conference was brilliant.

    John (20e1e6)

  43. Aw, Trump! I’m voting for my dog.
    nk (dbc370) — 7/27/2016 @ 7:45 pm

    Tell me his name Padawan, vote for him too I will!

    Yoda (feee21)

  44. You idiot, when he says “find” them, he’s speak proverbially.

    As if a sane person diagrams Trump’s sentences to find their hidden meaning.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  45. Every foreign government has Hillary Rotten’s emails.

    I expect that Canada grabbed them.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  46. sorry. patterico you have thought Trump an idiot from day one. he is alot smarter than all of you put together.

    A lot of Trump supporters think Trump is really really smart, and a lot of his opponents think Trump is really really dumb.

    Everything is relative.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  47. Kevin M,

    It’s not necessary to “diagram” a sentence in order to intuit a euphenism.
    We’re not taking about prepositional phrases.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  48. A lot of Trump supporters think Trump is really really smart, and a lot of his opponents think Trump is really really dumb.

    Everything is relative.

    It’s times like these when I wish this site had a “Like” button for comments.

    JVW (f97acd)

  49. Everything is relative.

    It’s times like these when I wish this site had a “Like” button for comments.
    JVW (f97acd) — 7/27/2016 @ 9:18 pm

    Suspect it flew over their heads I do!

    Yoda (feee21)

  50. Yeah, rec of the day for Kevin M.

    Leviticus (bdf402)

  51. Your a moron

    mg (31009b)

  52. The msfm and conservatives can rot in hillary’s pant leg.

    mg (31009b)

  53. I’m just happy to hear that Barack loves him some coal miners.
    A number of years ago, he said he wanted to ruin the coal industry. So he must have had an epiphany. Man, he really is a President of “change.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  54. Your a moron
    mg (31009b) — 7/27/2016 @ 9:39 pm

    Some grammar you should learn!

    Yoda (feee21)

  55. No, that’s absurd. If they already had them, they wouldn’t rightly have to “find” them, now would they?

    Tillman (a95660) — 7/27/2016 @ 7:28 pm

    So, you really are this stupid. You actually believe those servers are in a position where the Russians could hack into them now. After the FBI investigated and discovered classified information on them, or just government records (it’s a separate felony to steal and destroy ordinary government records, which if you listened to Comey’s testimony Clinton clearly did, so why no discussion about those felonies I don’t know). In any case those servers are government property now because of Clinton’s rank criminality.

    So, genius, do you think the FBI left the servers connected to the internet while conducting their forensics investigations or that they hooked them back up after discovering Hillary! had been in fact grossly negligent (although Comey used the synonymous phrase “extremely careless”) in her handling of classified information?

    The absurdity is you, Tillman.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  56. grammar in moderation

    mg (31009b)

  57. oh the little things the elite freak about

    mg (31009b)

  58. Or this! If calling someone a moron you, best not to prove that a moron YOU ARE! Hint (you’re)

    Yoda (feee21)

  59. moron you are,

    Yoda (feee21)

  60. oh the little things the elite freak about
    mg (31009b) — 7/27/2016 @ 10:16 pm

    Yoda an elite? Not just a LIV, but a LIC too! Yoda has not an elite bone in his body, or his bank account either!

    Yoda (feee21)

  61. Yoda,

    Have you been spending too much in the bar with Greedo and Hammerhead again?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  62. After years of voting for faux conservatives I am a stupid effing moron.

    mg (31009b)

  63. …I think what he did here — essentially laugh at the possibility that Russia might have hacked the emails of the Secretary of State — is typical Trump irresponsibility. Although his comments were nowhere near as irresponsible as the decisions made by the former Secretary of State that put these emails at risk.

    The left flipped out about this so much that they were even talking about how Trump should be charged with a felony for musing about Russia and the emails. But unless Stupidity in the First Degree is an actual felony, they should be talking about charging the candidate who actually committed a crime with respect to these emails…

    You’re wrong here, Pat. Trump isn’t laughing at it; he is taking it seriously. Trump is going to make this a story, one the LHMFM refused to cover and thought they had killed and moved past. That’s why the LHMFM is going batsh*t crazy and saying the stupidest things in the world to try to make this about Trump encouraging Russian espionage and not about the Dem Candidate who served the nation’s most closely guarded secrets up on a silver platter to any bad actor in the world who wanted it.

    To believe their earlier idiotic headlines you’d have to be stupid enough to believe that it wouldn’t occur to the Russian intelligence services to hack into the Secretary of State’s emails unless Trump “encouraged” them to do so. As if it isn’t the job of teams of people at the successors to the KGB to do nothing but work on finding ways to do exactly that 24 hours a day 365 days a year.

    The real felony as far as they’re concerned isn’t that Trump is musing about Russia and the emails. It’s that he’s keeping Hillary!’s felonious gross negligence pertaining to, and really utter disregard for, national security front and center.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  64. Well put, Steve.

    One can oppose Trump’s play, but it’s a serious play.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  65. with Greedo and Hammerhead again?
    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/27/2016 @ 10:24 pm

    Greedo? Killed by Han Solo he was! So, answer is no! Yoda hang in bars that are hive to the most villainous scum in the Galaxy? Pulling Yoda’s leg you are! Careful you must be when pulling Yoda’s leg, Yoda have accident with lightsaber he might, and an arm you could be missing!

    Yoda (feee21)

  66. Then called Stumpy you will be!

    Yoda (feee21)

  67. The cockles of my heart are warmed.
    Maybe even the sub-cockle area a little.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  68. The cockles of my heart are warmed.
    Maybe even the sub-cockle area a little.
    papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/27/2016 @ 10:49 pm

    Treatment for your fetish, psychiatrists have!

    Yoda (feee21)

  69. I just heard President Obola complaining that the RNC wasn’t conservative.

    *That was a spit take.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  70. Treatment for your fetish, psychiatrists have!

    Oh yeah? SO do I get to choose my own, from among Uncle Barry’s minions?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  71. moron you are,

    Ease up, yoda.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  72. After years of voting for faux conservatives I’m gonna vote for Trump!

    FIFY.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  73. …One can oppose Trump’s play, but it’s a serious play.

    Denver Guy (4750ec) — 7/27/2016 @ 10:36 pm

    Oh, it’s definitely a serious play.

    Once you get past the silly nonsense, such as the Russia’s foreign civilian intel service SVR RF or FSB, actually an internal intel service, but Putin tends to favor it and give it foreign missions as it inherited more of the KGB apparatus and I guess Putin is nostalgic, wouldn’t spy on the US unless Trump encouraged them to do so. Or that Russian hackers could somehow jump what must be a quarter-mile air-gap that must separate Hillary!’s former servers and the nearest internet connection since they’ve been in FBI custody, based on the panic on the left you have only one inescapable conclusion. That those 30k emails were in fact work-related and would cause untold harm to the national security of the U.S. if they were disclosed to unauthorized persons or foreign, hostile powers.

    If anyone has them, then that untold damage has been done. And I can’t see how somebody doesn’t have them.

    On the other hand the LHMFM/DNC/Clinton campaign (but I repeat myself; it’s almost like I’m stuttering) would not be freaking out if they really were only emails about Yoga, Chelsea’s wedding plans, and condolences to Hillary! when her mother died. That wouldn’t damage national security.

    It’s either the nothingburger and a political witch hunt over private emails as the Clinton campaign has been claiming all along, or the national security disaster they now claim it would be if the hackers released them.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  74. And more importantly to the self-serving Clintons, it would be a poltical and perhaps legal disaster for Her Thighness if those emails are as damaging as their reaction to Trump’s comment indicates they are.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  75. I’m interested in the scrubbed e-mails. Especially the ones about Benghazi, shipments of arms to Syria and donations from foreign governments to Hillary. If they exist.

    Why scrub them from the server if they’re innocuous? If these were of a personal nature, it then would lend credence that these e-mails indeed belonged on a private server.

    These e-mails are akin to the hack that was made against Mann and the climate science community after it was shown that the data was being spun.

    If you want the truth about Benghazi, those e-mails are probably the smoking gun.

    scott (2bad05)

  76. The simple fact is that if the R candidate was anyone but Trump. They would not bring up the Clinton emails anymore and in fact if they did by accident. Hillary’s team would beat them over the head with Comey’s get out of jail free card.

    With Trump, he gets them to admit that they deleted classified files.

    People need to sack up.

    Drider (340c7b)

  77. Some people are worried about grammar. And some people have nutless sacks, Drider. Finally someone worth voting for. Trump is a man telling it as he views it. God Bless this Trump and his family.

    mg (31009b)

  78. Drider the reason R’s won’t bring up the emails isn’t because of Comey. It’s because they were complicit in the shipment of arms to Syria.

    scott (2bad05)

  79. “Trump was just saying: if you have the emails, release them”

    No, that’s absurd. If they already had them, they wouldn’t rightly have to “find” them, now would they?

    Um, yes. I have lots of things, far too many things, but if called on to produce them I’d have to find them first.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  80. Millhouse,

    If they have them and release them now, it would be a situation of diminishing returns.

    Why not wait until October and get a higher return on investment.

    scott (2bad05)

  81. The simple fact is that if the R candidate was anyone but Trump. They would not bring up the Clinton emails anymore

    That’s ridiculous

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  82. Nk

    Is your dog at least five years old and a natural born American breed?

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  83. What if it turns out that some of the deleted emails were actually about Yoda?

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  84. After years of voting for faux conservatives I am a stupid effing moron.

    Says the guy about to vote for Donald J. Trump.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  85. Says the guy about to vote for Donald J. Trump.

    See #73.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  86. Meanwhile, the coverup of the next big Clinton scandal has begun with the IRS closing the files by opening an investigation of the Clinton Foundation’s tax compliance.

    crazy (fcf2fd)

  87. Must watch.

    Giuliani: This is the most anti-police convention I’ve seen

    (way more than the title says–worth watching for Leon Panetta alone)

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  88. This kind of reporting may be the only thing that MIGHT make me reconsider my #NeverTrump position.

    Charles Harkins (be8e70)

  89. Apart from Trump playing the Dems for suckers, this latest event also exposes the MSM as nothing but DNC lapdogs, willing to parrot the latest talking point, no matter how absurd and distortive. Most of us already knew this, but if anyone doubted it, this latest event provides strong confirmation.

    Bored Lawyer (998177)

  90. 83. I would hope to learn that Byron Burger has some US locations and is coordinating with whomever is DHS guy next year. Hopefully, they wont be dogged by horse meat rumors like the fellow British chain Wimpy was in the 1970s.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36910950
    http://www.byronhamburgers.com

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  91. Yoda and Pinandpuller:

    I call him BJ and he’s a ten-year old mix of Yale bulldog and Ozark pussyhound.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. As recently as this AM, the WaPo was still saying that Trump was asking Russia to hack Hillary’s computers.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  93. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/27/2016 @ 7:39 pm

    they’re only about yoga and Chelsea’s wedding,

    She also gave as subjects her mother’s funeral, and e-mails to and from someone who doesn’t use e-mail (Bill Clinton)

    Of course it only has resonance if there is some evidence of some sort of indictable offense.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  94. This isn’t the first time Trump asked hackers to do something. In 2014, he wanted hackers to find Obama’s college records because maybe it showed him being a foreign student. This wasn’t so much the idea that Obama was born outside of the United States or not a citizen, (by that time Trump had accepted the borth certicate as decisive) as the idea of Obama having lied about his origins to gain an advantage in college admissions.

    This was speculated because Obama’s literary agent, 10 years later, claimed he was born in Kenya and it stayed that way on her website till 2007. She later aaid she was just guessing – Obama didn’t tell her that. Of course Obama must have seen it, and decided not to interfere with efforts to get a publisher to pay him to write a book.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  95. nk

    Sounds like ol’ Grey likes to have a little fun.

    Pinandpuller (b3091a)

  96. Steve57 (2d3b12) — 7/27/2016 @ 10:11 pm

    it’s a separate felony to steal and destroy ordinary government records, which if you listened to Comey’s testimony Clinton clearly did,

    I am not sure what exactly you are talking about. Is it merely that she was storiung them improperly?.

    Destroy and alter government records is I think something Bryan Pagliano maybe did that, to make the whole thing work, and go undiscovered, so that the State Department wasn’t even aware of it even after she left, but it would be hard to prove she told him to do something that she knew he could only do by going into government computers in a way he wasn’t authorized to do so.

    He’d have to testify: “I said I couldn’t do this unless I broke the law, and she told me: Break it!”

    so why no discussion about those felonies I don’t know).

    The technical details aren’t really that public. And no Congressman caled attention to it.

    do you think the FBI left the servers connected to the internet while conducting their forensics investigations or that they hooked them back up after discovering Hillary! had been in fact grossly negligent (although Comey used the synonymous phrase “extremely careless”) in her handling of classified information?

    Donald Trump almost talked that way. He confused them. He just wanted to talk as if the hacking could still take place.

    BTW, I think the difference between “extremely careless” and “grossly negligent”, is that they apply to two different types of things.

    “Extremely careless” applies when talking about distinguishing between what is classified and what is not, and the people at the State Department did not do that well, and maybe couldn’t and still do their jobs because they couldn’t use the classified system all the time; and “grossly negligent” is applicable when you know something is classified and you handle it in such a way it gets out of the classified system.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  97. Sammeh, you’re making things up.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

    18 U.S. Code § 2071 – Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

    (a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  98. I pointed an alternate source of these emails on the other thread, I don’t doubt that wikileaks has become a conduit, but they also have their own agenda,

    narciso (732bc0)

  99. what happened to speaking truth to power,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_T749zVYhQ

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. Sammy,

    As Steve57 sharply pointed out last night, the FBI now has Hillary’s server in their possession. Since it’s become the most famous server in the world, they undoubtedly took it off-line so that there’s zero ability for it to be hacked by foreign agents in the future.

    So this hysteria about the Russians being instructed to hack Hillary’s emails which were allegedly only about yoga, Chelsea’s wedding, and orders from the local deli is just plain hysteria.
    But it reveals that Team Clinton knows that those emails had sensitive info and that they fear the Russians may already have them.
    If the emails ultimately become publicly revealed, Team Clinton wants to blame Trump even though the FBI took them off-line eons ago.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. The strange thing is, they don’t wake up and realize there’s no way for the Russians – now – to hack into the server, regardless of what Donald Trump said. He may have been saying that way for the uninformed people.

    He spoke quote alot before he got to this aost request of Russia.

    This is what Donald Trump said:

    TRUMP: It’s just a total deflection, this whole thing with Russia. In fact, I saw her campaign manager I don’t know his title, Mook. I saw him on television and they asked him about Russia and the hacking.

    By the way, they hacked — they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you’d see some beauties there. So let’s see.

    But I watched this guy Mook and he talked about we think it was Russia that hacked. Now, first of all was what was said on those that’s so bad but he said I watched it. I think he was live. But he said we think it was Russia that hacked.

    And then he said — and this is in person sitting and watching television as I’ve been doing — and then he said could be Trump, yeah, yeah. Trump, Trump, oh yeah, Trump. He reminded me of John Lovitz for “Saturday Night Live” in the liar (ph) where he’d go yes, yes, I went to Harvard, Harvard, yes, yes. This is the guy, you have to see it. Yes, it could be Trump, yes, yes. So it is so farfetched. It’s so ridiculous. Honestly I wish I had that power. I’d love to have that power but Russia has no respect for our country.

    And that’s why — if it is Russia, nobody even knows this, it’s probably China, or it could be somebody sitting in his bed. But it shows how weak we are, it shows how disrespected we are. Total — assuming it’s Russia or China or one of the major countries and competitors, it’s a total sign of disrespect for our country. Putin and the leaders throughout the world have no respect for our country anymore and they certainly have no respect for our leader. So I know nothing about it. It’s one of the most farfetched I’ve ever heard. Yes, Jon (ph)?

    QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

    TRUMP: I never met Putin, I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. He said I’m a genius. I said thank you very much to the newspaper and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.

    QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

    TRUMP: I would treat Vladimir Putin firmly but there’s nothing that I can think of that I’d rather do than have Russia friendly as opposed to the way they are right now so that we can go and knock out ISIS together with other people and with other countries. Wouldn’t it be nice if we actually got along with people, wouldn’t it be nice if we actually got along, as an example, with Russia? I’m all for it and let’s go get ISIS because we have to get ISIS and we have to get them fast.

    ……

    QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE)

    TRUMP: I’m not going to tell Putin what to do. Why should I tell Putin what to do? He already did something today where he said don’t blame them, essentially, for your incompetence. Let me tell you, it’s not even about Russia or China or whoever it is that’s doing the hacking. It was about the things that were said in those e-mails. They were terrible things, talking about Jewish, talking about race, talking about atheist, trying to pin labels on people — what was said was a disgrace, and it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and believe me, as sure as you’re sitting there, Hillary Clinton knew about it. She knew everything.

    [The many problems with Donald Trump’s call for Russia to spy on Hillary Clinton]

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz could not breathe without speaking and getting approval from Hillary Clinton. Couldn’t breathe….

    …QUESTION: (inaudible) Putin (ph) say stay out? Why not say that?

    TRUMP: Why do I have to (ph) get involved with Putin? I have nothing to do with Putin. I’ve never spoken to him. I don’t know anything about him other than he will respect me. He doesn’t respect our president. And if it is Russia — which it’s probably not, nobody knows who it is — but if it is Russia, it’s really bad for a different reason, because it shows how little respect they have for our country, when they would hack into a major party and get everything. But it would be interesting to see — I will tell you this — Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens. That’ll be next. Yes, sir…

    And on to question about the minimum wage. He aays Bernoie Sanders lied when he said he wants it to go below $7. No, he wants to raise it to $10. And he’ll bring jobs back to this country, so that $10 and $15 will be peanuts. Then he gets mixed up and thinks Tim Kaine was from New Jersey. But he corrects himself to Virginia.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  102. …regardless of what Donald Trump said. He may have been saying that way for the uninformed people…

    Or, or, Trump might just have been sloppy in his use of language.

    Those of you with the stone age clubs gathering into the “Trump is always right whatever he says goes” form up on my left and “Trump is the most wonderfullest guy who ever lived he just didn’t quite blurt out what he meant” form up on my right.

    Steve57 (2d3b12)

  103. That tracsript was from the Washington Post:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/donald-trumps-falsehood-laden-press-conference-annotated

    Also from taht press conferece:

    but I just want to tell you about John Kasich. I never spoke to him about being vice president. We don’t have good chemistry together. I have never spoken to him about being vice president. I would never pick him to be vice president. There was never a conversation, and he has a habit of doing things like this where he says things that may be a little bit shaky. He never spoke — Don Jr. would never — and that was so long ago, I didn’t even know I was going to get the nomination at that point. Just so you understand, I would not have picked John Kasich, wouldn’t be the right guy. I mean, for that to have gotten out, that was so ridiculous. And then, I was going to put him in charge of national and worldwide policy. So what’s left for the president? I think you know me better than that. That was put out by him. He’s a nice man, John Kasich, he’s fine. He’s fine. I would never have chosen him.

    Now, I did speak to various people and I actually got acceptances from many people. There are some people that called me that very much wanted to be vice president, but I picked a man that I have a lot of respect for and Mike Pence is doing a great job.

    Let me just explain — I never asked John Kasich to be vice president, nor would I. And by the way, I’m leading in Ohio by three points.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  104. The New York Daily News has a front page headline saying:

    LOCK HIM Up – HIm in red

    Comrade Trump’s
    treasonous call for
    Russia to hack Hill

    Donald trump blatantly asked Russia to commit espionage against Hillary Clinton iin a move quickly ripped by secuity experts as (duh) illehal

    PAGES 2,3,4,5,6

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  105. The New York times editorial was more restrained and said it was not treason, but free speech.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  106. Meanwhile, is a remark that will NOT make the news, Ann Lewis, advisor to Hillary Clinton and former WH Communications Director, suggests that a President Trump would start rounding up the Jews.

    “We know from recent history that when you live in a society where the forces of division looks for scapegoats, Jews are next in line,” Lewis added. “Don’t kid ourselves. Wherever they start, if that is the way people amass power, they will start looking for Jews.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/key-clinton-ally-implies-trump-white-house-would-start-looking-for-jews

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  107. *in

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  108. you mean like hank johnson who compared israeli settlers to termites, is that what you mean, ann?

    narciso (732bc0)

  109. He could start with Ivanka’s husband and his family, I suppose.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. What will he do with his mischling grandchildren, I wonder.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. @107– Her brother is Barney Frank.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. Thank you Drudge.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)


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