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7/22/2016

Munich Shootings; Obama’s Head in the Sand

Filed under: General — JVW @ 11:58 am



[guest post by JVW]

At least six people have been killed in shootings at a city mall in Munich. Eyewitnesses report three shooters, and as of this moment no one has been apprehended.

Meanwhile, a commenter at Powerline directs us to this telling juxtaposition that appears on CNN’s homepage:

Juxtaposition

Shame on those dead Germans for getting in the way of the President’s moral preening.

– JVW

109 Responses to “Munich Shootings; Obama’s Head in the Sand”

  1. In reading the Obama gloom-and-gloom article at CNN, the President is touting the fact that homicide rates at at their lowest in 20-30 years. Yet depending upon which audience he is pandering to he at other times would have us believe that we are in dire need of ever more gun control laws and that minorities are in heightened danger of being executed by police officers during routine traffic stops.

    JVW (f97acd)

  2. It is as crazy as Obama urging less inflammatory rhetoric. Can’t the Democrats with by-lines see the inconsistency?

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  3. no it’s a prequisite to party leadership,

    narciso (732bc0)

  4. And to earn your by-line.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  5. Don’t overlook that lying about the state of things is just SOP for Obama and Ds. Take the economy and employment figures as an example.

    These are not the droids you are looking for!

    Rich (ddc02c)

  6. This may be of interest to some, especially Steve 57.

    felipe (d96360)

  7. I’d bet they spin this as a “right-wing radical” thing. The Germans will never admit they’re wrong.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  8. why I am voting for trump.

    my vote (8570c0)

  9. The ironic thing about Barack denying “doom and gloom” is that the entire convention next week will be all about doom and gloom.
    That’s how Democrat appeal to voters — things are bad, so you need our government remedies!

    It’s always a difficult needle for them to thread following eight years of a Democrat President.
    On the one hand, they have to pretend that the past eight years have been marvelous. But on the other hand, they need to espouse doom and gloom as a predicate for MORE federal government solutions.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  10. #DepressTheVote

    or

    #DepressedVote

    I’m on the fence about which hashtag solution I should follow.

    TheNaBr (81690d)

  11. President Obama urges calm, “Nothing to see here. Please. Disperse.” (YouTube)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  12. Does Germany need tougher gun laws to stop shopping place violence?

    mg (31009b)

  13. I understand the identity and ethnicity of the shooter(s) is unknown. Have heard conflicting reports.

    Everything from right-wing German in an immigrant-heavy area to a Turk. We’ll see.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  14. You want fries with that? Bang-bang.

    Another moment of silence for Ryan to schedule. These tragedies are morphing off each other into weekly events so routine, we’re growing numb to it. And that’s scary.

    What would Clinton do in response? What difference does it make.
    What would Obama do? Scan the scene with tricorder and murmur, ‘Fascinating.”
    What would Trump do in response? Remind everyone the Trump Doral Munchen serves the best beer and brautwurst in Germany and is open for business.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. That’s how Democrat appeal to voters — things are bad, so you need our government remedies!

    I may try to work up a post on this very topic, Cruz Supporter. It seems that the Democrats have a pretty fine line to walk next week. On the one hand, they want this to be a victory lap for Obama as they begin the process of placing him in the pantheon of the all-time greatest Presidents ever. On the other hand, there is still way too much anxiety for them to try to claim that things are just hunky-dory. I’ve noticed that Obama himself has taken to saying something along the lines of “We’ve come really far over the last eight years, but so much remains to be done.” It will be interesting to see if the same people in his party who flocked to Sanders will go along with his assessment.

    JVW (f97acd)

  16. This is the fifth anniversary of the Brevik shootings in Norway, so the shooters now are probably followers of Brevik.

    Andrew Hyman (b12b60)

  17. Better late than never might now be simply too late:

    Security expert Anthony Glees: growing feeling German authorities “didn’t know who they were letting in”

    Dana (995455)

  18. This is the fifth anniversary of the Brevik shootings in Norway, so the shooters now are probably followers of Brevik.

    That makes sense.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  19. Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars just reported that there’s more evidence it was an Islamist born in Germany. He was aware of the right-winger theory and seems to have moved away from it.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  20. @16/@18. Makes sense. Seems that’s where it’s pointing to: another sour kraut.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. except it was near the site of the Munich olympic massacre, where they were going to place a memorial,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. I didn’t listen to news yet. What exactly happened? And did Hillary Clinton name a vce president today like she said she would?

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  23. @22. No. She did a rally in Tampa. Word is she will release name in a text or on Twitter later tonight or tomorrow.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. The terrorist in Germany, or at least one of them if there’s more than one, said he was
    German. It is not clear if he identified what his “cause” was.

    In the case of the Baton Rogue murders, Gavin Long was at pains to disassociate himself from ISIS, or anybody else. He did it because of a hateful domestic ideology.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  25. Hillary Clinton seems poised to delay her announcement till after Shabbos begins and also it gets closer to Saturday newspaper deadlines.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  26. DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/22/2016 @ 3:27 pm

    She did a rally in Tampa. Word is she will release name in a text or on Twitter later tonight or tomorrow.

    At that rally, I saw on TV, she used the Ted Cruz slogan: “Vote your conscience.”

    I think she wants this in the low circulation Saturday papers, and lowest watched weekend news, not the Sunday papers.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  27. Tapper’s sources in the munich police, say he’s of islamist background,

    https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort/status/743003791042195456

    a trip down the wayback machine,

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. #15 JVW,

    Clinton henchman Paul Begala wrote a predictable analysis for CNN where he marginalized Trump’s speech for having the audacity to appeal to Americans’ fear of crime and terrorism.

    Donald Trump’s America is fearful. Afraid of crime, afraid of terrorism,…”

    JVW, if you’re fearful of crime and terrorism, it’s probably because you have a dark view of America. (LOL)
    You really ought to stop worrying about crime and terrorism and learn to love the bomb.
    Besides, there are other more tangential things to fear, such as global warming, and the tyranny of gender-specific public restrooms.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  29. When will they drop daisy-cutters on Raqqa? What will it take?

    Colonel Haiku (89ebb5)

  30. Denver Guy

    I don’t think the fifth anniversary is lead though.

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  31. Pay Per View on the Daisy Cutter action.

    mg (31009b)

  32. I’d pay to see some Daisy Cutter action. I’d also pay to see some Daisy Duke action — that chick was hot! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  33. I was a Cruz supporter and still am. But we have to look to the future now. Just stop and think, after each one of these attacks, who do we want in the Oval office? Hillary or Trump. I understand Mr. P what you are saying, but now what??

    bald01 (f38852)

  34. @26– She picked Kaine. An ‘able’ choice? Nah. Whole white milk for the bowl of instant oatmeal.

    My God, I’m voting Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  35. Why do the terrorists hate our VP announcements?

    And why is Obama cracking up during the press conference?

    He sounded like he did after Ft Hood.

    Ich bin nicht Munchen- BHO

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  36. Ft Hood was merely “workplace” violence.
    And Munich was just a little “shopping center” violence.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  37. I noted our idiot president was celebrating eid, more than two weeks after ramadan ended,

    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/756647019272437760

    narciso (732bc0)

  38. Now that many of you former republicans have come over to Hillary’s side by not voting for Trump, you’ll simply need to support your new masters.

    Kaine and Unable will carry on Obama’s legacy: “no sound on earth is as beautiful as the Mooslim call to prayer” — Barry Barack

    Hillary is unhappy about having to carry on the legacy, but what else can she do?

    Shortly before Obama beat her in 2008 she confided to Bill: “The goddamn nigg*r is gonna win, Bill. Its my.. I mean our turn. He should be carrying our bags. Can’t he commit suicide with two to the back of the head or–”

    “– now, now Hillary… its too late for that. We don’t want to turn the skinny motherfu*ker into another MLK, do we? I’m really the first black president and I’ll get with the Harlem chieftans and make him an offer he can’t refuse, get you a plumb job, Secretary of State or something, and we’ll bide our time while we rake in the cash. Say,… you remember Weiner’s little Arab bitc*h wife who thinks you’re hot… maybe we can make her your “girl Friday… and Saturday, and Sunday and….”

    Hillary cackles loudly as the power couple high fives and looks forward to great things for the American people.

    PTS (0e41dc)

  39. CS

    Black Friday indeed.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  40. The mall shooter may have stopped a gang rape. We should wait and see.

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  41. Does Germany need tougher gun laws to stop shopping place violence?

    mg (31009b) — 7/22/2016 @ 1:56 pm

    Naw, just bigger “Gun Free Zone” signs.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  42. Puts, you aren’t nearly as funny as you think you are.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  43. Naw, just bigger “Gun Free Zone” signs.

    Should actually be “Pistole freizone”.

    I’m a little slow right now. I guess I know now how Pts feels all the time.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  44. Narciso

    Obama’s so dumb he’s still writing Year of the Horse on all his checks.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  45. doing the at-the-mall shopping spree/shooting spree inversion in the cnn headline was a choice

    a very anderson cooper choice

    me i say ick

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. if you vote trump he can nuke mecca with the words hi there allah this bomb was sprayed with pig fat!

    pig fat (92e899)

  47. We can infer this guy was a moderate Muslim because he only killed nine people.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  48. #47 Pinandpuller,

    Muslims don’t murder people, therefore the murderer couldn’t have been a Muslim!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  49. ironically only a little over a year ago, the germans were negotiating the iranian nuclear deal in munich, probably not far from the olympic arena,

    narciso (732bc0)

  50. @ bald01 (#33), who asked:

    Just stop and think, after each one of these attacks, who do we want in the Oval office? Hillary or Trump.

    I don’t know the answer to that question. I know Hillary will be as bad as Obama. I won’t dispute that the trends are bad, and if you project another four years of our current feckless foreign policy and ham-handed fight against terrorism, these attacks will continue and worsen. So Hillary will be bad.

    Would Trump be better? Or would he be worse? If I answer that based on what I really believe, based on my evaluation of his depth, wisdom, integrity, stability, and beliefs, then I very much believe he would be worse. I don’t believe anything Donald Trump has promised or said in this campaign — nothing at all. And I know he is shallow, foolish, corrupt, unstable, and an even bigger egotist than Obama — bigger than Obama, Hillary, and Clinton put together, which surely is a galactic record. I believe he would rapidly get us not just distant from, but into direct conflicts with, our allies. I believe he would blunder into wars that might escalate beyond anyone’s ability to control, with countries like China or North Korea or Iran.

    Now if someone else chooses to believe some portion of the tissue of contradictory rants and promises he’s offered, you may think there’s hope he’d turn out to be brilliantly gifted. Or maybe you believe that stuff that he’s peddling, about how he’ll use the same techniques which You! Too! Can! Learn! if you’ll call now and order a copy of “Trump’s ‘Art of the Deal'”! If so, you may conclude that the probabilities favor him being better than her.

    I have no such confidence. None. Nor, frankly, will anything he could say or do at this point change my mind about it. Nor can you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  51. Prediction: At least four different Trumpkins will immediately spin what I just wrote as an endorsement of Hillary Clinton.

    Predictable, lying shills.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  52. Can I say something to the anonymous doosh nozzle that curates the George Harrison estate?

    Maybe later. Jessica Lynch interviewed by Joy Bahar.
    Such a lovely woman. A sense of upright and dignified about her. Can’t quite put the words.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  53. Does the estate of John Philip Sousa get paid every time someone plays “The Stars And Stripes Forever“?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  54. Beldar, choice is binary.

    It is not WTF you want or what I want.

    You want to mentally masturbate over options that don’t exist go ahead.

    Wasting time and no one is paying you for it either.

    Rodney King's Spirit (603237)

  55. As far as campaign music goes, you can’t beat Sousa’s “Always Faithful“. (YouTube)

    That’s Clinton hunting music there buddy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. Be nice to Beldar. He is with child. I hear tell it makes for moodiness.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  57. #56 … These whiny lawyer types cry more than any baby I have ever seen. Sheesh.

    If they had voted Cruz they’d be writing how smart and principled the American people are. Same folks voted Trump so now they are idiots with no values. Whooooo is the Republic!

    They accuse Trump folks of idolatry yet they engage in the same. This is why I call them fan boys. I have this image of delirious 13 year old waiting at Shea to hear the Beatles so out of their mind that it is impossible to have a reasoned discussion with them. But instead of the Beatles it is 4 Cruz heads like bobbles crossing the stage.

    Fan boys are a warm milky load I want nowhere near me.

    Rodney King's Spirit (603237)

  58. This is the fifth anniversary of the Brevik shootings in Norway, so the shooters now are probably followers of Brevik.

    Andrew Hyman (b12b60) — 7/22/2016 @ 2:32 pm

    The 22nd of July was also, among other things, the anniversary of Susan Smith drowning her kids in a South Carolina lake in 1995, Mehmet Ali Agca being sentenced to life in prison in Rome in 1981 for attempting to assassinate the Pope, and Menachem Begin’s attack on the King David hotel in 1946.

    Let’s not get carried away.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  59. CS @48

    Its not an original thought but why, when they lock up these “non Muslims”, do they always serve them halal food and let them pray five times a day?

    Its like the convolutions they go thru for trans people. They aren’t really Muslims, but they identify as such so we have to treat them as if they really are.

    Pinandpuller (a72dcb)

  60. Papertiger

    Since Clinton ’92 theme was “Don’t Stop Thinkin’ About Tomorrow” I thought that Hillary might go for “Tell Me Lies”.

    Or “Gold Dust Woman”

    Rock on gold dust woman
    Take your silver spoon
    Dig your grave

    Heartless challenge
    Pick your path and I’ll pray

    Wake up in the morning
    See your sunrise loves to go down
    Lousy lovers pick their prey
    But they never cry out loud
    Cry out

    Did she make you cry
    Make you break down
    Shatter your illusions of love
    And is it over now do you know how
    Pick up the pieces and go home.

    Rock on ancient queen
    Follow those who pale
    In your shadow

    Rulers make bad lovers
    You better put your kingdom up for sale
    Up for sale

    Well did she make you cry
    Make you break down
    Shatter your illusions of love
    And is it over now, do you know how
    Pickup the pieces and go home.

    Well did she make you cry
    Make you break down
    Shatter your illusions of love
    And now tell me
    Is it over now, do you know how
    Pickup the pieces and go home
    Go home
    Go home

    Pale
    Shadow
    Of a woman
    Pale
    Shadow
    Of a dragon
    Dust woman

    Pale
    Shadow
    Of a woman
    Black widow
    Pale
    Shadow
    She’s a dragon
    Gold dust woman
    Woman, woman

    Pinandpuller (a72dcb)

  61. Papertiger @56

    “With child” in the Biblical sense?

    Pinandpuller (a72dcb)

  62. Sure. With an emphasis on righteous condemnation. Bound to be some Bible in there.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  63. Steve (#58), the Munich killer had a picture of Breivik as his profile for instant messaging. The Munich killer was a screwed up teenager who admired Breivik. No known ISIS link.

    Andrew Hyman (b12b60)

  64. If the GOP Congress hadn’t dragged its feet on tightening gun control, this Muslim person in Germany probably never would have murdered all those people.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. Nah, he was upset because all the German jobs are going to China.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Germany should rebuild that wall.

    mg (31009b)

  67. there’s a piece of the wall at the western brown line stop

    almost everyone just walks right by it without noticing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  68. I disagree with Beldar on his take on Trump. Sometimes you are given a shit sandwich and can throw it away, other times you just have to eat it. As far as Trump goes, at least in my opinion, this is one of those times where you eat it, so I will vote for Trump. One thing to consider, Beldar portrays Trump as largely out of control, undisciplined, etc., and he makes a good point. As Glen Reynolds likes to say, “if you want accountability from your elected politicians by the MSM, elect a Republican.” The MSM will give Hillary a complete pass, much as they have done with Obama, these last 7 1/2 years. Any negative trend started by Obama such as Executive Orders, ignoring various laws and on and on, will go on unchecked for Clinton. (And being a Clinton, we can expect that she will invent may of her own that Obama only dreamed of). Additionally expect 1, 2 or maybe up to 3 SC vacancies in the next 4 years. With Hillary we will get the equivalent of Mumia Abu Jamal, Angela Davis and Bernadine Dohrn as SC justices. A Trump presidency with an R by his name means that the MSM will do everything in its power to reign him in. Now can I say that Trump will not propose awful SC choices, no I can’t. But I am willing to take the chance that he will given what we know about Hillary.

    Ipso Fatso (7e1c8e)

  69. Correction to comment #68, But I am willing to take the chance that he won’t given what we know about Hillary.

    Ipso Fatso (7e1c8e)

  70. Patterico and Co should not be complaining about The One since he/they are enabling Kaine and Unable’s ascent to the throne.

    Hillary voters/enablers/GOP Traitors should STFU to be consistent with “staying home and not voting”.

    PTS (0e41dc)

  71. @ RKS (#54), who wrote:

    Beldar, choice is binary.

    It is not WTF you want or what I want.

    You want to mentally masturbate over options that don’t exist go ahead.

    Wasting time and no one is paying you for it either.

    It depends on how you define what is being chosen.

    If you say, “Your choice is among everyone who now has a realistic chance of winning a majority of the Electoral College in the next election,” then yes, it’s a binary choice.

    But that’s not the only choice that’s relevant to me. It also matters to me whether I can live with the vote I cast afterwards.

    You think you get to define what my choice is? I think not.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  72. @ the especially moronic Trumpkin shill posting as Pts (#69): I’ve never said I would stay home. Unlike Donald Trump or anyone in his family, I have a history of voting for Republicans up and down the ticket, state and federal, because I identify with the Republican Party. I will do so.

    There is more to government, and more to this election, than the presidency, even though people of your and Trump’s caliber have such a hard time with the basic facts of civics and American history. Perhaps you ask Trump to re-read Article XII of the Constitution to you aloud, so you’ll understand this.

    Then when you finish reading the Constitution and all its plentiful articles, you can start with the amendments. To your & Trump’s surprise and possible astonishment, in the very first one of those, it says I get to keep talking — whether you, or Trump, or Hillary, or anyone else objects or not.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  73. Puts, you don’t get to tell me what I should complain about.

    SPQR (0cce45)

  74. Re: “GOP traitors”

    You have it backwards. Beldar and the others have betrayed nothing. The GOP had betrayed Beldar and the rest of us by not standing up for conservative principles. When one perdon did that at the convention, he was booed off the stage.

    And by the rest of us I mean the entire country. Thanks to the GOP, our choice is vote for the openly corrupt authoritarian statist or vote for the openly corrupt authoritarian statist or vote in a way that equates to giving the elites the middle finger…or not vote at all.

    kishnevi (5cc98a)

  75. I’m watching and listening to these insipid, tedious Democrat candidates as I write this. I will do everything in my power to see that their dreams of weak-suck leftwing expansion and self-glorification remain their hallucinations

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  76. #73 kishnevi,

    You really should stop with this “the GOP!!!1111!!!” gave us Trump.
    The primary voters gave us Trump — the machinations of the party had nothing to do with it.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  77. CS: it’s what the party elites did for the last several years that allowed Trump to happen. Promising conservative heaven and then not really trying to get even to purgatory…and trying to oust those who actually did try.
    And of course now toadying up to Trump because he’s the winner, for now.

    kishnevi (5cc98a)

  78. I will do everything in my power to see that their dreams of weak-suck leftwing expansion and self-glorification remain their hallucinations

    So you are against Trump after all! Excellent!
    (Insert comedy emoticon here).

    kishnevi (5cc98a)

  79. Funny how the kamikaze republicans stood up for the constitution against the democrats.
    Blame Trump and his voters.
    thinking thought of moderation.

    mg (31009b)

  80. We just heard from Nova Kaine. He numbs your senses and puts you to sleep.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  81. @63 Andrew Hyman

    Was he an admirer, a copycat or an acolyte of Brevik?

    I guess yelling allah is greater is just what kids do these days.

    Pinandpuller (1e9b1e)

  82. #76 kishnevi,

    No.
    The primary voters had a chance to nominate Rubio, Walker, Fiorina, Jindal, and even Cruz, who turns out would probably not be all that great of a general election candidate due to his lack of populist instincts.
    But they chose Trump.

    Let’s stop with blaming Karl Rove and a cabal of cigar-chomping fat cats who met at McCormick & Schmitt’s in DC once a week in order to devise a strategy to manipulate the outcome.
    Blame the primary voters.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  83. C.S.
    Cheers.

    mg (31009b)

  84. The primary electorate preferred anybody to Trump,
    But when left with Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio,
    They could not decide which anyone to pick.

    Trump had a record number of votes against him.

    In retrospect, it appears that Rubio and Kasich were doing the work of the GOPe to deny Cruz.

    If they choose to risk Clinton getting elected to prevent Cruz,
    they can live with their choice.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  85. CS
    Would the primary voters have voted for Trump if for years before the party had not delivered only stunts instead but actually tried to bring in real reforms? Pretended to be conservative but were not? Or at least have the integrity to tell voters “you may like this idea but we think it won’t work, and here’s why”.

    They did not plan this, but their failures in the years before allowed Trump to happen.
    They were con men, and now they’ve found their nemesis in a con man whose is a better con man.

    kishnevi (e93d54)

  86. A naive Cruz walked into a trap and got played big time. Did Trump do this for himself or those Republicans who want Cruz out of the picture? Or both?

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  87. his big problem Mr. Bob is he has no idea how to quantify the damage he does to himself every time he does a public national-level speaking

    John Koskinen has a similar problem

    as does the zika virus and anal warts

    it’s a thing

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. 27. narciso (732bc0) — 7/22/2016 @ 3:50 pm

    Tapper’s sources in the munich police, say he’s of islamist background,

    His family were refugees from Iran, and secular, which might have been the problem.

    His “cause” was not Islamic extremism, but, like that of Adam Lanza in Sandy Hook, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in Columbine High School, Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia, and some others mentioned in a book he had, revenge against the world for bullying; teaching the world a lesson; and/or the satisfaction of at least accomplishing something for once in his life, and I think you cannot underestimate that last factor.

    Like so many of the other killers who commit suicide, his life was falling apart – in his case, he had failed his end-of-school exam. That’s like an older person losing the only good job he’s had.

    He had material on mass killings in his possession, including newspaper articles on how police responded to other shootings, and the German edition of a book on 12 school killers in the United States (introduction to the German edition by Klaus Hurrelmann, a professor of public health and education at the Hertie School of Governance in Berlin)

    According to the book, they all had mental illness, had been exposed to violence and had access to weapons. Somehow the book did not communicate effectively that what the school killers did was wrong. Probably any sense of outrage, the whole idea of right and wrong, or sympathy for the victims, was missing from the academic book.

    He probably said, “They explain it, and ‘hey, that’s me!’ and I should do it too, and I’ll feel better, at least till I shoot myself.” Or somebody said it to him.

    You know, he probably didn’t find the book by himself. He was not a great success in school. I mean, really. Hr must have been in contact with someone. Adam Lanza probably was, too, because he destroyd hs computer. And somehow also, the Munich killer had obtained a Glock, despite Germany’s strict gun laws, and his not having that much money – a Glock that had the serial number scratched off, but he probably bought it that way.

    The newspaper articles, and also maybe the book, possibly also gave him some practical tips. He had some stuff on Brevik and a 2009 school shooting in Germany. Now, maybe one thing led to another.

    (The Nice truckdriver was also probably talked into it, because of his homosexuality. In that case someone must have told him “You really need to commmit suicide to stop sinning, but killing yourself is also a sin, but it is not a sin if you are killed by others in a jiihad, then you’ll be a martyr, this is the way to do it, and if you pledge loyalty to Baghdadi and do it in the name of Baghdadi, not only is that not a crime, but you’ll go to heaven, but don’t leave out the pledge of allegiance to Baghdadi or else you’ll go to hell.”)

    But that particular approach probably didn’t work with the Munich killer.

    He targeted foreigners of approximately his own age, or slightly younger, killingg in the end, two people aged 14, two aged 15, and one each aged 17, 19, 20 and 45. He may have hacked into a girl’s Facebook page (or somebody else did) wth a post promisinbg free food at the McDonald’s where he stated it, and he definitely left an audio message telling people to go to the McDonald’s, at a gaming group hed be kicked out of over a year ago because he was always making death threats.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  89. Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars just reported…

    Stop right there. You’re citing infowars as a source?! I think you’ve just exposed yourself. Why don’t you just cite stormfront and be done with it?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  90. Does the estate of John Philip Sousa get paid every time someone plays “The Stars And Stripes Forever“?

    It was published in 1897, so no.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  91. Its not an original thought but why, when they lock up these “non Muslims”, do they always serve them halal food and let them pray five times a day?

    Its like the convolutions they go thru for trans people. They aren’t really Muslims, but they identify as such so we have to treat them as if they really are.

    No, it doesn’t matter whether they’re Moslems. If a prisoner has a sincerely held religious belief that they can’t eat haram food, and must pray five times a day, they’re entitled to reasonable accommodation. They don’t have to claim adherence to some recognised religion, nor does it matter whether such a religion actually makes these demands.

    If a prisoner sincerely believes that his version of Christianity (or Islam, Judaism, Sikhism, or the One True Religion™ that God Itself revealed to him) requires prayer seven times a day wearing green clothes, and the prison can reasonably accommodate that need, then it must do so. The prison can’t say “here’s a priest of your religion who says this isn’t necessary”; it doesn’t matter.

    All that matters is the sincerity of the prisoner’s belief, and the prison can challenge that. If the prison has evidence that he’s faking, it can refuse to acommodate him, and if he sues it can present this evidence as a defense, and the court will decide.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  92. Also, nobody claims these people aren’t Moslems, just that they didn’t act as good Moslems, and Islam doesn’t approve of their crimes. In other words, exactly the same thing that Christians say about Christian criminals, Jews about Jewish ones, and Pastafarians about Pastafarian ones.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  93. Someone on AM radio in New York last night – I think the show host goes by he name of Jersey Jooe – also had that about the killer in Munich supposedly shouting Allahu Akbar (which had been reporteed early on) That report is completely out of date, whether he actually shouted it or not, or whether or not that was what he shouted, which he might have done to scare people — it is known from the material found where he lived that his motive was the usual one of school shooters. He even had a book about them. There is so much pointing to something else. In fact there is video where he said it was because of bullying, and he came close to outright distinguishing himself from an ISIS or other Islamicist.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  94. So the shooter planned it with his Afghan pal, for more than a year.

    The Munich police chief is still an idiot.

    narciso (732bc0)

  95. What we have is the posossibility that someone with a different motive than the shooter helped him plan it. I don’t know what the trustworthiness of he Allahu-Akbar statement is (a Moslem woman who said she as a witness heard it – this could be a lie, this could be tryong to make sense of words that weeren’t clearm thus could be misheard, or it could even be true, and misleading)

    Tow other incidents happened in Germany. In one,a person who had tried to commit suicide before, after, although not necessarly because, or maybe they weren’t all after, his pettion from asylum from Syria (how old?) had been denied a year ago, bit had been allowed to remain because of the conditions in Syria, created a homemade bomb intended to kill people. His attempt to enter a music event was denied because he didn’t want to go through security I guess and he killed himself with the boomb and injured maybe a dozen people. In another, a man killed a women he had been arguing with with a machete and injured two others – they think the attack on the woman was personal – but where are all these machetes coming from all of a sudden? Is this a new trend?

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  96. Both am queda and Islamic state, have said use any tool, gun, knife, car, truck.

    narciso (732bc0)

  97. They have said any tool, but the only purpose of that would be not to rule anything out, or to encourage people that if they can’t get one thing try another thing. It doesn’t mean that they don’t actually use only a few modes of attack typically.

    I am wondering what’s going on with machetes. Has it now become a modus operendi, or is it maybe that have they recently been marketed by criminal groups – or maybe there’s no machete control in the European Union? Has there been an oversupply and somebody’s trying to get rid of machetes?

    Is a machete a sign that a terrorist group and planning is involved, or someone might use one even with no contact with anyone?

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  98. It is disturbing in the sense that machete as tool-du-jour may indicate cross-pollination with groups in Latin America. There has also been a chicken-or-egg debate as to whether cartels learned to behead from jihadis or vise-versa.

    The purchase of machete-as-weapon should be easier to discern over there than here in the States because there is not the “blend” of markets with workaday landscapers and homeowners tending to shrubbery in large lots (e.g. are those that would lie with Islamist fleas “market-dominant” in landscaping employment and there are less large-lot homes in Western Europe)? Nevertheless, a machete is as easy to come by as merely as seeing one lying in the front lawn while the landscaping crew is out back.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  99. 98. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 7/25/2016 @ 9:46 am

    It is disturbing in the sense that machete as tool-du-jour may indicate cross-pollination with groups in Latin America.

    I think we – or people whose job is to investigate this – should pay a great deal of attention to cross-polination.

    When they see it, that could be a sign of a connection they don’t know about. I don’t think a lot of things are invented independently, and when something is, there will be differences in the details.

    Ttechnical details are very telling. In fact, by the way, IUDs have individual signatures, and that’s how somebody who had built them in Iraq was traced to Tennessee (he wasn’t building them here – he had decided to get out of that business and away from his employers and from U.S. bombing, and go where nobody could get to him, and where everybody was safe from bombs like the ones he had built, and must have told considerable lies to get there, but his fingerprint has been on an unexploded IUD.

    His war and terrorism crimes had probably killed many U.S. soldiers and others, and he wound up with a very long jail sentence, with a free trip to Iraq scheduled at the end of it, at least if Iraq will be a somewhat safe place for him at that time, safe from anything except fair judicial proceedings; otherwise he will be released here with permission to stay until it is, unless someone else wants to take him.)

    There has also been a chicken-or-egg debate as to whether cartels learned to behead from jihadis or vise-versa.

    I read there was a time when only 4 groups throughout the world knew how to build bombs. They were:

    1) Arab terrorist groups – at that time not distinctively Islamic – Islamic is about the only subspecies left

    2) The Irish Republican Army – which had bee trained by Mohammer Qaddafi.

    3) Basque separatists in Spain – the ETA – I think also mayeb trained and taught by Qaddafi.

    4) Columbian narco-terrorists. (The FARC, M-19 etc.)

    Maybe the techniques for building bombs also were invented in South America. On the other hand:

    http://www.newsecuritylearning.com/index.php/feature/123-how-terrorists-acquire-technology-and-training-lessons-from-the-ira

    Colombia has had years of revolutionary conflict and is one of the world’s prime suppliers of drugs. Of the three terrorist groupings, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia – FARC – has been a prime beneficiary of IRA technology and training. ETA may have provided the link between the IRA and FARC. Eta was in touch with the Colombian underground from 1966 conference in Havana. PIRA were paid for their services to FARC in Colombia and the IRA training programme ran between 1997 and the summer of 2001. At any one time no more than 3-5 Provisional IRA members were in Colombia…In Iraq, the hallmarks of IRA bombs have emerged. These hallmarks are being repeated in all theaters where IEDs are deployed – some straight out of the IRA textbook.

    It’s very important to watch any kind of similarity in technology.

    That means that, at some point in the past, which could be even 20 or 30 years before, but might also go up to much more recent times, or be still continuing, there was some sort of a direct connection, and maybe you can trace the whole geneology and any mutations, and gain all sorts of insights. What no one should assume is that similar things were invented indepedently.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  100. 95. the suicide bomber in Germany was scheduled to be deported to Bulgaria (probably his first safe country of asylum) That fits in more with my understanding of the way things work

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  101. Mass shooting in a Florida nightclub for teenagers, two killed.

    There were also two people killed in a hospital in Florida a week ago, one of them an elderly patient but the shooter had no “cause” so no attention was paid to it, and nobody is worrying about security at hospitals, which would anyway make it difficult for patients to have visitors.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/17/patient-employee-shot-and-killed-at-florida-hospital.html

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/17/us/florida-hospital-shooting/

    It was mentioned in a short squib on page 19 of the New York Post one day.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  102. Munich Shootings: Obama’s Head In The Sand Up His Keister

    FIFYTML

    Colonel Haiku (607a84)

  103. The suicide bomber in Germany was definitely for ISIS – he made a cellphone video. The last Florida shooter, they say, did not have something to do with ISIS – it could have bene an argument about a rap song or singer. In Japan a man went with a knife into a place for the disabled and stabbed people, killing 15 of them, but he was an ex-employee, making this workplace violence. The guy who went into the hospital in Florida and the two people he killed isn’t even remembered.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  104. What a circus this has become regarding terrorists. On the left, we have Democrats whistling as they walk past the graveyard. On the right, we have the depiction of an all-out, Mad Max apocalypse. But somewhere in between lies the truth.

    Tillman (a95660)

  105. what you have is a shawwal offensive, munich, ruetlinger wurzberg laragne, anspach, and now
    normandy and malmo, it seems, relatively small, but still in the nature of terrorism,

    narciso (732bc0)

  106. The guy in Japan said he wanted to eliminate the unfit.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  107. and it was the 15th anniversary of a similar event in Osaka,

    narciso (732bc0)

  108. ^Clinton ad with Trump – the disabled NYT reporter – Japanese slasher in 3..2..1..

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)


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