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7/21/2016

Republican Convention Open Thread: Can We Take One More Night??

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:00 pm



[guest post by Dana]

This is the last night of the convention. Ivanka Trump will be introducing her father, Donald Trump, who is expected to accept the Republican nomination for the presidency.

A talking head on Fox News said that various campaign people are saying that they hope Trump stays on point, sticks to the speech, and does not go off on his own.

You can peruse an annotated version of the prepared speech here.

Anyway. Buckle up.

And get your adult beverage of choice ready.

–Dana

141 Responses to “Republican Convention Open Thread: Can We Take One More Night??”

  1. But isn’t part of Trump’s “outsider” draw that he can’t be nailed down and can’t be controlled??

    Dana (995455)

  2. “So this how liberty dies — with thunderous applause.” — Queen Amidala

    L.N. Smithee (7f045b)

  3. Bet all you Pattericans and other Cruz slobbering Hillary acolytes are getting “thrills down your legs” anticipating the DNC next week.

    What a treasure trove it will be for you former “conservatives”.

    PTS (b6849f)

  4. GFY PTS.

    Anonymous punk.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  5. This website has gone full little green footballs

    Mr Pink (e9911c)

  6. PTS, whatever you do, DON’T VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE!!! Not in a presidential election. Anything but that!

    Dana (995455)

  7. Zico coconut H2O

    mg (31009b)

  8. I have no patience for injustice, no tolerance for government incompetence, no sympathy for leaders who fail their citizens.

    Mr. No Tolerance For Government Incompetence had the chance to fire the person who made his wife a laughingstock.

    He refused to.

    Don’t think that’s not a harbinger.

    L.N. Smithee (7f045b)

  9. i love it so much!

    this is so much better than the weirdo mitt romney one or the meghan’s coward daddy one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. Don’t plan to turn on my TV tonight except for Phineas and Ferb. For some reason, it’s more enjoyable on TV, commercials and all, than on Netflix. ??? Video and sound quality or Pavlovian conditioning — just the TV itself is a pleasure stimulus?

    Anybody got a link to a video of the idiot who set himself on fire trying to burn the American flag? I think I would enjoy that.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. I will watch as much of tonight’s proceedings as I did the preceding three. Which is to say, none.

    Catullus 29. Ranting against Julius Caesar.
    http://www.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/l29.htm

    Quis hoc potest videre, quis potest pati,
    nisi impudicus et vorax et aleo,
    Mamurram habere quod Comata Gallia
    habebat uncti et ultima Britannia?
    cinaede Romule haec videbis et feres?
    et ille nunc superbus et superfluens
    perambulabit omnium cubilia,
    ut albulus columbus aut Adoneus?
    cinaede Romule, haec videbis et feres?
    es impudicus et vorax et aleo.
    eone nomine, imperator unice,
    fuisti in ultima occidentis insula,
    ut ista vestra diffututa mentula
    ducenties comesset aut trecenties?
    quid est alid sinistra liberalitas?
    parum expatrauit an parum elluatus est?
    paterna prima lancinata sunt bona,
    secunda praeda Pontica, inde tertia
    Hibera, quam scit amnis aurifer Tagus:
    nunc Galliae timetur et Britanniae.
    quid hunc malum fouetis? aut quid hic potest
    nisi uncta devorare patrimonia?
    eone nomine urbis opulentissime
    socer generque, perdidistis omnia?

    kishnevi (871225)

  12. I wonder if he’ll talk about his two daughters — Sasha and Malia.

    nk (dbc370)

  13. Read it.

    Good speech.

    Ends with two pledges— both long broken by Ted.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. Question to the folks critical of Sen. Cruz for breaking a pledge.

    What do you have to say about Trump’s telling the NYT that he would not necessarily honor the commitments made by the US under the NATO treaty?

    kishnevi (871225)

  15. @13. Negotiate. For starters, pay up the 2% GDP dues.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. So when Trumo says we should renege on pledges made in actual treaties, you think that’s okay.
    Maybe Trump should change his slogan to Make Russia Great Again.
    ‘Because of course that’s better than anything Hillary can claim for herself.

    kishnevi (871225)

  17. As mentioned on the previous thread,
    Donald Trump has only Donald Trump to blame if he loses.
    He repeatedly said he doesn’t need conservatives, he doesn’t need people who voted for Cruz, and he continues to make enemies by insulting family members and playing dirty tricks.

    I will vote for Trump unless a viable 3rd choice appears, because he is only the third worst presidential candidate in history and is running against #2.
    That, and when he loses badly, I can say “Don’t blame me, I told you so.”

    He is at best playing you who support him. Like a bully, “Hey, watch this, I am going to insult this guy’s wife, and you are all going to laugh when I do it…”
    Hopefully he doesn’t keep pushing the limit to see if he really can shoot someone and get away with it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  18. Actions speak louder than words,
    and Trump already acted last night.

    Then again,
    Maybe I have him all wrong,
    After all, he has humiliated his own wife (wives) with the speech thing (as well as divorcing them for newer models)
    So maybe he was not that mean spirited at Cruz after all.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  19. So, what I just heard from Ivanka Trump is that she votes her conscience. How ironic.

    Dana (995455)

  20. You are watching the conservative movement, born in 1964, die before your eyes.

    And it is magnificent.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. isn’t she wonderful

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  22. Pts, you Trumpkins at the RNC just cheered for a woman who gave max contributions to Kamala Harris, Calif Democrat candidate for Senate.

    And booed Ted Cruz.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  23. SPQR,

    that’s hilarious.

    I mean, it’s not funny in the long term, but it’s worthwhile to take the humor in this situation. All these folks aren’t just suckers, they are hilariously suckers. I’m sure Ivanka and Donald are laughing about it all the time. It’s the ultimate hustle… in 100 years kids will sing songs about how epic this is.

    At least we don’t live in boring times!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  24. Interesting how Ivanka just said she will be fighting alongside her father when he is the president…

    Dana (995455)

  25. To late to wave him off now.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  26. Trump will deliver about as good a speech as he can ever be expected to deliver. He spent more than amonth giving dictation from time to time, and it could be every day, of ideas and phrases, which would be written – maybe he wrote some – on plain white paper.

    These were repeatedly typed and printed out, and he circled copies of what he liked, crossed out or put questions marks on lines he didn’t want or had questions about, and added new words and phrases. This would then be repeated.

    With all that, perhaps he actually managed to pull some coherent thoughts together. This was besides what speechwriters contributed.

    Tuesday morning word went out that any languuage even loosely inspired by speeches, essays, books or Twitter posts had to be removed or attributed, and it has been checked by plagiarism software.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  27. Jeering crowds celebrating the victory of evil over good do not last very long.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  28. This is surreal.

    Dana (995455)

  29. @27. No. It’s reality TV.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. Don’t worry about Pts. He/she/it’s still sore from when I pointed out how Trump represented simple revenge for the last 8 years.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  31. Kishnevi

    It depends.

    Do you think that a war with Russia is worse than a guy insulting your wife?

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  32. Anybody got a link to a video of the idiot who set himself on fire trying to burn the American flag? I think I would enjoy that.

    nk (dbc370) — 7/21/2016 @ 6:25 pm

    In Russia, flag sets you on fire.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  33. Lets see four years ago, mittens didn’t want to run, and eight years maverick threw the match.

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. She’s running against Sanchez. Who cares

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  35. Trump is crushing it.

    What an honor to be alive at such a time.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  36. We also learn that Kamala can be bought.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  37. USS Clinton taking on water. Call the carpenter to sound the boat.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  38. 26.Jeering crowds celebrating the victory of evil over good do not last very long.
    MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/21/2016 @ 7:22 pm

    They don’t have to last long, only the damage does.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  39. Give us Barabbas!

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  40. Pantsuit is getting de-pants

    mg (31009b)

  41. I’m confused.

    Half of you don’t trust Trump with nukes but if he does get elected by God he’s a hypocrite if he doesn’t set America on course for a landwar in Asia.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  42. If Trump ever finds Jesus, he’ll probably have Him deported.

    nk (dbc370)

  43. Pinandpuller, so all you Trumpkins think Estonia is in Asia?

    SPQR (a3a747)

  44. Onward Cruzlim Soldiers

    Marching US to War

    With the Cruz of Glen Beck

    Going on Before

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  45. You think he’ll nuke the terrorists? I’m hoping bullets.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  46. They’ve gone full vizzini,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. What an honor to be alive at such a time.

    Denver Guy

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  48. Ivanka Trump just repeated Democrat campaign slogans at the RNC, and you Trumpkins applauded.

    The con man just keeps rubbing the con in the marks’ faces.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  49. @32 narciso

    Maverick always did like a wet start.

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  50. Realistically the Democrat staffing and non profit sectors are the only people who would be impacted by equal pay for women.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  51. @SPQR

    So where is the opposing army coming from?

    Easy bro, its been a while since I played Risk.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  52. If he says that we need to make cars with doors that open like this, not like this, like this, I just wanna know where can I sign up!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. Hoagie (#38), if you think your Barabbas joke is funny and apt, then I have badly misjudged you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  54. While he’s at it, he can fix my screen door, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. It’s a stem winder of a speech. Very powerful – though most of what he says about trade is baloney. But outside of that I find little to disagree with. If Romney could talk like that he’d be running for his second term.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  56. “I have received the endorsement of the National Rifle Association, and will defend the right of Americans to keep their families safe”.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  57. Hilary Sargent ‏@lilsarg “WE WILL CHANGE THE WAY YOU FRAME YOUR ART. NO AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH TO FRAME ART IT’S OUT OF CONTROL”

    Bwahahahaha.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  58. Beldar,
    I was the one who brought up jeering crowds,
    I’m not sure Hoagie meant his comment to be funny,
    but sadly reflective of the sell out to evil.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  59. Some things ain’t worth fixin’, ASPCA. The flies have laid eggs in every crannie and crevasse of your corpulent body.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. It is a long one, Gerald. I like most of what I’ve heard. He may have the ability to connect with enough voters to close the sale. Time will tell.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  61. Emphasizes “we”… how refreshing is that after the last 7.5 years of Obama!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. It is a long one, Gerald. I like most of what I’ve heard. He may have the ability to connect with enough voters to close the sale. Time will tell.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:32 pm

    He had a killer line almost at the end that should have been close to the start:

    My opponent asks people to recite three words: “I’m with her”. I have three different words: “I’m with you”

    What other Republican nominee for Prez ever talked liked that? Maybe Reagan.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  63. Excellent speech.

    Call the coroner. The conservative movenent is dead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. I was thinking the same thing, Col. He used we, more in one speech than obama has in all those years.

    mg (31009b)

  65. No it’s dead, but it’s evolving to the circumstances

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. Not dead, you can’t eat on just dogma, this was the lesson learned from neoliberal policies in eastern Europe as well as south America.

    narciso (732bc0)

  67. @64 Conservatism does not embrace evolution. It’s dead. Born, 1964 — Died, 2016.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. I just listened to David Brooks compare the “Demogogue Trump” to Aaron Burr, Joe McCarthy and how America has taken a “dark turn”.

    That did it, I’m sold. Anything that prick Brooks is against politically, I am squarely for.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  69. Welp, MSNBC says Trump gave an angry speech. So, I guess Hillary will emulate Reagan with a Morning in America speech. It will be interesting to see how she could possibly pull that off. I don’t watch MSNBC often. I am reminded of why.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  70. Excellent speech.

    Call the coroner. The conservative movenent is dead.

    DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/21/2016 @ 8:39 pm

    I hate to break this to you, but law and order, opposition to illegal immigration and terrorism are conservative.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  71. Joe McCarthy is an unfair comparison. Unfair to Joe McCarthy, that is.

    Aaron Burr,otoh, is very apt.

    kishnevi (871225)

  72. Another thing I liked about the speech is that he labeled the media as liars – more than once I think. When does a Republican do that?

    Gerald A (76f251)

  73. Bigger, “smarter” government isn’t conservative.

    This convention – especially the last night with the entire RNC cheering on Progressive Democrat applause lines – only reinforces the correctness of my decision to leave the GOP.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  74. Chris Matthews chiming in: Nationalism bad. Anger because of the inability to deal with a teleprompter. He was just angry. It was a speech on just yelling. Unlike the great public speaker Hillary! Oh, and now Maddow quotes David Duke. MSNBC is a parody.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  75. Trump’s right that Hillary’s slogan is stupid.

    Wasn’t this speech a little too long? You can’t literally pander to every single possible demo in one speech. That would take like 90 minutes.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  76. An hour and twelve minutes, Dustin.

    Dana (995455)

  77. MSNBC: He was angry and yelling. Expect to see that a lot in the next few days.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  78. When does a Republican do that?

    Gerald A

    When does a Republican not do that? Like seriously this is the only think Palin ever says, Newt did a terrific job of it, Christie does it every time he eats a donut hole, and your man Cruz was awesome at it.

    You’re trying a little too hard with the pom poms, Team R. Don’t lose track of the smelling salts.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  79. DCSCA,

    You want more government, huh?
    I bet you want the Federal Department of Parks and Recreation to facilitate some Wednesday night bingo games in your community.
    You really think Hillary cares about your bingo games?
    She thinks you’re just one of the old geezers sitting on a park bench in the town square in ‘Forrest Gump.’
    Well, she’s right, isn’t she?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  80. 69. I hate to break this to you but conservatives have distinguished themselves this time out only in casuistry, self-righteous sanctimony and having picked up Alinsky’s method.

    No one cares to play with you now and evermore.

    DNF (755a85)

  81. When does a Republican not do that? Like seriously this is the only think Palin ever says, Newt did a terrific job of it, Christie does it every time he eats a donut hole, and your man Cruz was awesome at it.

    You’re trying a little too hard with the pom poms, Team R. Don’t lose track of the smelling salts.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:11 pm

    I’m thinking mainly about the Presidential and Veep nominees. I don’t know if Palin even said that in 2008. She may say that lately but that’s not what I’m talking about. She didn’t say it in her acceptance speech for sure.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  82. Ag80

    Its morning in America…

    Does anyone know where Bill is?

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  83. Sophistry is easier to spell. But doubleplusgood for being able to write big words.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  84. The art of the deal: the salesman sold.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. That was only part of her message.

    Gary, Gerald is coming along half way.

    Ummm is dumber than a bag of sek’s

    narciso (732bc0)

  86. The art of the deal: the salesman sold.

    P.T. Barnum would be proud.

    JVW (f97acd)

  87. opposition to illegal immigration.

    Gerald A

    Didn’t I point out that Trump’s solution to illegal immigration is to just make all the illegal immigrants legal, so they can do the jobs Americans won’t do? Oh yeah, that was one of those comments you ignored because pom poms.

    Maybe Trump can use the million dollars he was fined for worldclass employing of illegals to give scholarships to Trump Community College to all the illegals when he makes them legal. I guess he can’t because he had to spend it on the fine cause he employed illegals. Words speak louder than actions though. Trump means it this time!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  88. Hinderaker’s take exactly matches mine:

    His message was powerful, hitting on one populist theme after another–law and order, terrorism, Hillary’s incompetence, economic stagnation, illegal immigration, cronyism, trade, and so on. His attacks on Mrs. Clinton were devastating. Have we ever seen a Republican presidential candidate so willing to take the gloves off? Not during my lifetime.

    The press will spin this one feverishly, but their only realistic hope is that not too many people were watching.

    His one beef is what has already been mentioned here, that it was too long.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  89. Not man of mystery, I watched the uverse feed, even Dobbs had a habit of bitting in. In the end itwasn’t about trump,

    narciso (732bc0)

  90. I’m thinking mainly about the Presidential and Veep nominees. I don’t know if Palin even said that in 2008. She may say that lately but that’s not what I’m talking about. She didn’t say it in her acceptance speech for sure.

    Gerald A

    Not to be argumentative or anything, but I really liked Palin’s RNC speech… one of my favorite political speeches of all time, and that’s why I remember her calling out the media’s terrible treatment of her:

    I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

    But here’s a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion. I’m going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

    Pointing out media bias has been a thing for a while. Palin is a good example because the press were terrible to her, and Palin calling out the press in her acceptance speech and every other day on the campaign trail was a matter of survival for her. Trump is one of them, though, a New York TV celebrity who got hugely favorable treatment from much of the press so far. For some reason, Palin’s condemnation of the press still stirs my heart, even when I don’t care for her today, because she got a raw deal. Trump was made by media.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  91. Didn’t I point out that Trump’s solution to illegal immigration is to just make all the illegal immigrants legal, so they can do the jobs Americans won’t do? Oh yeah, that was one of those comments you ignored because pom poms.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:20 pm

    I’ve never believed that Trump was actually going to deport all the illegals in the first place. I recall pointing that out to Trumpers. But I absolutely do believe he’s against open borders.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  92. That’s not the end of the story, for the last seven?? Years she was continuous slandered, her family assaulted, while many of the nevertrumpers stood by, or drove the knife in further.

    narciso (732bc0)

  93. Dustin,

    We can’t wait to see you at the same time on this same station next Thursday night when you’re nit-picking Hillary’s speech.
    I predict that you’ll really let her have it!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  94. Surely not open borders, but I think he’s a wash with Hillary on it. He talked the biggest game though. Mexico paying for a great big awesome beautiful wall.

    but to the left Trump promised he isn’t like all those mean haters, bashed Romney for being too hard on immigration, and promised during this primary he would make them all legal because they do the jobs Americans won’t. There is nothing conservative about Trump on immigration. It’s probably the most obvious aspect of the whole con, but no one cares because the democrats suck too.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  95. My last comment was a reply to Gerald.

    We can’t wait to see you at the same time on this same station next Thursday night when you’re nit-picking Hillary’s speech.
    I predict that you’ll really let her have it!

    Cruz Supporter

    Please do a search in this very thread for which commenters have directly criticized Hillary. I think I’m the only one.

    I’ve been commenting at this blog for a very long time and everyone here knows I think Hillary is terrible. I can’t bother to watch her speech, because her voice is … well, we all know what her voice is.

    You basically picked one of those discussion thread tropes and threw it at me for no good reason, because you’re lazy. You don’t actually have to just jump in a thread and attack someone, but isn’t that all you ever seem to do?

    Do you have any comment about the topic of the discussion?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  96. Since she rTionalized the execution of Alex rackley, nearly 50 years ago, she has been a menace to law and property.

    narciso (732bc0)

  97. Right on, Hinderaker!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. We got through the whole deal and not one significant out-of-step move onsite by the usual SJW suspects. The puppetmaster(s) sure got to them.

    The dog did not bark, despite its enemy of enemies in its backyard. Who drugged it?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  99. Its morning in America…

    Does anyone know where Bill is?

    Pinandpuller (0845e7) — 7/21/2016 @ 9:16 pm

    I’m right here.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  100. #94 Dustin,

    So you’re telling us you don’t intend to watch Hillary’s speech next Thursday night?
    C’mon, man, stop joking — you’re gonna watch it.
    It’s politics, you love this stuff.
    I predict that you’ll watch it, and you’ll be here to dissect her speech with a surgeon’s wicked precision. I’m looking forward to your point-by-point rebuke of her left wing agenda.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. So Cruz Supporter, is that a no? You don’t have anything to offer about the thread topic, and you’re just here to do what you always do… bash the ‘wrong’ commenters and contribute nothing.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  102. He didn’t fall? Inconceivable!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  103. The dog did not bark, despite its enemy of enemies in its backyard. Who drugged it?

    Ed from SFV

    Thank God for that. I was sincerely worried something would happen. It’s been a terrible few weeks. I’m sure the Cleveland PD and many other agencies are extremely relieved. (knock on wood)

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  104. Well I loved my way thru the South one day, runnin’ scared all along the way…

    http://youtu.be/fxJ8TjEzML4

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. Pin-dickedPuller

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  106. Dustin,

    I’m flattered that you’re soliciting my opinion on Trump’s speech.
    I think it was really good.
    We Republicans are tired of nominees who lack energy and passion when standing before the podium. Trump had energy and passion.
    A Rubio/Jindal ticket would probably be the most potent that we could field in a general election, but it didn’t turn out that way.
    So, we soldier on with who we’ve got.
    Democrats usually bring a gun to a knife fight, while the Bob Doles and George W. Bushes and Mitt Romneys usually only come armed with a plastic spoon.
    But Trump’s coming to fight.

    I’m admittedly not the well-versed political observer that you are, and so that’s why I look forward to your assessment of Hillary’s speech next Thursday night.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  107. Drider,

    It’s not that surprising a Texas Senator would fly to Dallas for the funeral with the President, who gave a speech at that funeral. He is a US Senator and I appreciate Obama for the decency of offering that ride. Was he supposed to charter a private jet and turn up his nose? Obama is a bad president, but the presidency itself should garner some respect.

    You guys and this Cruz paranoia… it’s hilarious. Trump donates to Hillary, meets with Bill, and you could care less, but Cruz is the devil, day in and day out.

    Hey Cruz Supporter, how come you’re never defending Cruz, the guy you pretend to support? You’re only bashing all the guys who support Cruz. Why, it’s almost as though you’re a moby or something.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  108. I’m admittedly not the well-versed political observer that you are, and so that’s why I look forward to your assessment of Hillary’s speech next Thursday night.

    Cruz Supporter

    I agree you’re not much of a political observer. You think Trump’s speech was ‘really good’ because tough guy. Got it.

    Hillary’s speech hasn’t happened. Why are you asking me about it? Now if I do happen to watch it and offer an opinion, is this some kind of vindication for you? If I don’t, because I really do find her voice unbearable to listen to, is that proof I was unfair or am a secret democrat or something?

    Your worst habit is that you say the same comment over and over. Three times so far. I guess you don’t want to make your point clear, because that makes you clever like those New Yorker cartoons that don’t mean anything to me.

    All the while, we will see a lot of really nasty, dishonest attacks on Cruz. You will review a thread full of them, pick one of the Cruz’s supporters, and then bash them. Because you’re Cruz Supporter who doesn’t.

    Cruz Supporter, how many other names have you commented here under?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  109. Dustin,

    My sister was having a baby, so I didn’t get to see Cruz’s speech and I haven’t watched it on YouTube yet.
    From the information I’ve gathered on the internet today, I’m agnostic about whether or not he should have given that speech. I admit that as the primaries progressed, I became disappointed in his inability to connect with people on a more populist level.
    It’s one thing to win a statewide election in Texas, but in order to win a general election, one has to connect with a smorgasboard of voters.
    I feel that Rubio eventually evolved into being the most palatable general election candidate, but the Gang of 8 became an albatross he couldn’t untether.
    As Steinbeck famously wrote, “…the plans of mice and men …”

    Like most situations in life, Plan A and Plan B went by the wayside, so now we have to try to make lemonade with Plan Z! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  110. Cruz Supporter, how many other names have you commented under?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  111. That’s “The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men / Gang aft a-gley.” Robert Burns.

    Steinbeck’s secretary, Meredith McIver, suggested it to Steinbeck for the title after reading the poem in a book of poems her husband Barack had given her when they were dating.

    nk (dbc370)

  112. Dustin,

    I haven’t posted under any other name.
    I chose ‘Cruz Supporter’ as a moniker because I believe in his fidelity to the Constitution, and initially believed he would be one of the last few candidates standing.

    I’m not sure I understand your confusion about Hillary. Are you seriously suggesting I’ve asserted that she already gave her speech?
    Her speech is next Thursday night, as I mentioned several times — duh! (LOL)
    All I said is that I’m looking forward to your dissection of her speech next Thursday. You should be flattered rather than irritated.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  113. You guys and this Cruz paranoia… it’s hilarious. Trump donates to Hillary, meets with Bill, and you could care less, but Cruz is the devil, day in and day out.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/21/2016 @ 10:17 pm

    Drives me nuts. They demand perfection out of Cruz and demand nothing of Trump while simultaneously pretending that Trump will somehow mature into the statesman that Cruz already is.

    L.N. Smithee (797d3a)

  114. But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
    In proving foresight may be vain;
    The best-laid schemes o’ mice an ‘men
    Gang aft agley,
    An’lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
    For promis’d joy!

    Still thou art blest, compar’d wi’ me
    The present only toucheth thee:
    But, Och! I backward cast my e’e.
    On prospects drear!
    An’ forward, tho’ I canna see,
    I guess an’ fear!

    Sweet dreams, everyone.

    nk (dbc370)

  115. I’m not sure I understand your confusion about Hillary. Are you seriously suggesting I’ve asserted that she already gave her speech?
    […]
    duh! (LOL)

    No, not at all. You are a troll. When challenged to discuss the topic you gave so cursory an answer it sounds like you didn’t actually watch the speech. You came here to bash Cruz’s supporters, right?

    You pretended to be OK with him, but always to say “as Cruz’s supporter I gotta say Rubio is better” and “as Cruz’s supporter I’m so disappointed in Cruz and think we should support Trump” and “as Cruz’s supporter it sure would be great if Cruz didn’t speak at the convention”. Nothing got your goat like someone bashing Rubio though.

    Please again giggle about me not dissecting Hillary’s speech. Because you are actively trying to troll at this blog, making it a less pleasant place for others.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  116. @ Col. H: Perhaps I misunderstood, then. That’s probably the case, and I’ll give Hoagie the benefit of that doubt. Thanks.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  117. L.N. Smithee (797d3a) — 7/21/2016 @ 10:44 pm

    Yeah, that’s the most frustrating thing about the year’s primary.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  118. What a treasure trove it will be for you former “conservatives”.

    We are still conservatives, wherever we end up; it is you who have shown that you never were one in the first place.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  119. Here is an interesting photo.

    I would usually say that a photo like this is photos shopped but lets be honest with ourselves. With the rhetoric of the Never Trump crowd and the inane logic behind it, this is a photo that I’ll leave here and I do so not to be confrontational, not to say one thought or person is better than another. I just leave it as what the people in the party has chosen as their path to whatever end.

    http://dcwhispers.com/ted-cruz-photographed-barack-obama-valerie-jarrett-hillary-clinton-days-gop-convention/

    Drider (340c7b)

  120. Cruz flew with the Obamas to the memorial service for the five Dallas police officers. I once flew with Jesse Jackson from Chicago to New York. Another time I flew with George Papandreou from Athens to Crete. Airplane pooling saves fuel and reduces pollution. Who says conservatives can’t be conservationists?

    nk (dbc370)

  121. Why would a senator not fly to an official function in his state on the same plane as the president who is going to the same function? What a waste of government money would it be to take separate planes?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  122. I’m more concerned about the kiss Trump gave to Mike Pence. What a tease. Was he trying to make Peter Thiel jealous?

    nk (dbc370)

  123. It was a reminder, nk,
    Just as he betrayed Cruz and set him up,
    he will do the same to Pence at a moment’s notice
    if he so chooses.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  124. I read the full text of Cruz’s speech. (I know, I know, took me long enough). It was a great speech. The only beefs Trumpkins could possibly have is that he did not endorse Trump, and he didn’t call for police snipers on the roof of the convention halll to shoot n____s*.

    On the other hand, here’s an excerpt from the Chicago Tribune about Trump’s speech:
    “Donald Trump Thursday night accepted the nomination of the Republican Party to be president of the scorched hellscape that is the United Yet Cowering States of America.”

    *That Frump for Trump (Frumpkin?) is, I’m embarassed to say, from my neighborhood on the Northwest Side of Chicago. I did not vote for her, I promise.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. Sad to see the cruzers resort to the dem tactics….. “if you support Trump you must be racist”….
    NK and Al Sharpton are pals Who knew?

    spokanebob (e86321)

  126. and a red queen fan gunned down 50 people, and nothing was made of this,

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn9dQnRXYAEsEWh.jpg

    narciso (732bc0)

  127. Nk-
    With that over-the-top handle, she could be a moby/plant or some insincere block chairman from one of the north side wards. I once worked with a “GOP” block chairman from the Andersonville area who used to bilk the national and state party of “outreach” funds in order to throw these huge backyard parties.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  128. NK and Al Sharpton are pals Who knew?

    nk isn’t, but do a Google image search and you’ll find plenty of evidence that Trump is friends with Al. And Jesse Jackson, too.

    kishnevi (0cb353)

  129. The Trumpian vision of America as a stinking cesspit in a bog owes a very great deal to NY trash who put time, effort and money into creating it. Trump wasn’t a leader in doing so, he was just a boot licking follower willing to do anything which garnered publicity.

    It’s not as if there is anything which he would not embrace due to constraints of conscience or principle.

    Rick Ballard (04482a)

  130. Cruz Supporter needs to change its name to Trump Supporter already.

    One more handle change couldn’t possibly make a difference at this point.

    Leviticus (922756)

  131. Elephant Stone, was narciso’s guess. I thought it was a good one at the time.

    Leviticus (922756)

  132. From Ivanka Trump’s speech last night:

    When my father says he will build a tower, keep an eye on the skyline. Floor by floor, a soaring structure will appear, usually record-setting in its height and iconic in its design.

    From the TIME Almanac of 2006 (section about skyscrapers, page 443)

    On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, Adrian D. Smith, a well-known architect in the Chicago office of Skidmore Owings & Merrill, was in a meeting with Donald Trump. The hyperbolic New York City developer was in Chicago to go over the design of a proposed Trump residential tower in that city that he had decided should be — what else — the tallest building in the world, around 2,000 ft. In the midst of that meeting, the two men got word of the the first plane that hot the World Trade Center. “When the second plane hit, we all rushed to the television to see what was happening,” says Smith. “That was the end of the meeting.” And also the end of the 2,000 ft. tower. A few weeks later, Trump’s people came back with a revised proposal – at 900 ft. or so.

    The Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, was eventually completed in 2009 at 1,389 feet.

    The building is now about number 16 in the world.

    Donald Trump was sued in 2008 for $40 million by Deutsche Bank Trust Co. Americas because he had defaulted on the loan Nov. 7, 2007, by not paying off the remaining $334.2 million due in November, 2007.

    Trump had anticipated the lawsuit by suing them for wrongly refusing to extend the Nov. 7 maturity date, claiming the world financial crisis was an extraordinary event that permits a loan extension and and also accused them of hindering his ability to sell condo-hotel units.

    He eventually paid off the loan, and Trump’s lawyer at the time said this was legal stupidity because he’d pay when the project gets completed and sold out.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  133. Trump may have offered the vice presidency to John Kasich, and even put in charge of all policy. It’s not realistic that he ever would really have done that.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438203/donald-trump-policy-ceremonial-presidency-2016

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  134. @133– Sammy– wasn’t there a story in the NY press back in the day about Trump battling against WTC construction plans because they and/or shadows would interfere w/views from buildings he had in work?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. 135 DCSCA (797bc0) — 7/22/2016 @ 12:36 pm

    .@133– Sammy– wasn’t there a story in the NY press back in the day about Trump battling against WTC construction plans because they and/or shadows would interfere w/views from buildings he had in work?

    I have to look it up.
    I didn’t follow it that closely. I see that Trump criticized the original plans, but I don’t see yet anyone saying that was his motive.

    You’re talking about the rebuilding, which dragged on for years. They were very quick to clear the site, and didn’t search carefully enough for all the remains, but then very little happened.

    This is one of Donald Trump’s forays into public affairs, which he did periodically on one issue or another, since about 1987.

    Here we have something about Donald Trump critizing the first plans:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Towers_2

    The result of the competition and the design chosen by the LMDC was criticized by the public, including architectural critic Herbert Muschamp as well as Donald Trump.[13][14] ..

    ….Later in February, businessman Donald Trump, who superposed [sic] the project in the later years, appeared on CNN show Larry King Live with Larry King.[19] A talk radio broadcast, a caller asked whether Trump was involved or going to be involved with the “new twin towers”.[19] Though Trump at the time was not involved with the Team Twin Towers project, he became a sponsor of the project’s design in the later year(s). Trump said the following about the Childs-Libeskind design of One World Trade Center:

    “ It’s in the hands of a man named Larry Silverstein, [correct] who’s a friend of mine, [I suppose he could claim that if he would recogize him] who’s a great developer in New York [true – he had bought the WTC site from the Port Authority 11 days before the terrorist attacks. There was a whole lawsuit about insurance – the insurance arrangements hadn’t been completed, and whether this was 1 or 2 terrorist attacks] and a really good guy. [calling people good guys seems to be ahabit with Trump, especially when he’s criticizing someone] And I hate the design, and I don’t think Larry likes the design. It was foisted upon him. [Larry Silverstein couldn’t finance the whole thing himself, at least if he didn’t get paid for 2 terrorist attacks because there was a cap] It’s a 50-story building that looks like it’s 120 stories. It’s a skeleton. And that’s the last thing we need in New York is a skeleton of – representing the World Trade Center. I think that it is not an appropriate design. I don’t like it. But Larry’s a good developer. He’ll get it built, I think. And it’s tough. You know, it depends on the market.[19] [Trump backtracking]

    In 2005, publicity for the project increased, with businessman Donald Trump officially supporting and sponsoring the project…

    …In May 2005, Trump appeared on Hardball with Chris Matthews to discuss the proposed Childs-Libeskind Freedom Tower design.[22] While Matthews asks Trump about whether an empty site is better than the proposed design, he quickly responds, criticizing Daniel Libeskind, one of the buildings lead architects, “It was designed by an egghead architect who really doesn’t have a lot of experience of designing something like this. And it’s just a terrible design.”[22] Trump later goes on to say that he doesn’t “even blame the architect.”[22] Trump, who in the later month(s) later sponsors the project, says that there is “not much of a role I can take.” in response to a question by Matthews. “What I want to see built is the World Trade Centers stronger and maybe a story taller. And that’s what everybody wants.” Trump states.[22]

    So what he was for, was rebuilding them, if anything.

    And he hems and haws:

    Trump, on May 18, 2005, held a press conference at his residence on Fifth Avenue in Midtown Manhattan, to address the proposed Twin Towers II design.[25] Along with him was engineer Ken Gardner and architect Herbert Belton, Trump presented the Team Twin Towers designed twin-towered complex model. The plan “looks like a junkyard, a series of broken-down angles that don’t match each other. And we have to live with this for hundreds of years?” Trump said. “It is the worst pile of crap architecture I’ve ever seen in my life.”[25] Though Trump was supporting the proposed twin-towered project, he was leaving the decision up to Larry Silverstein, which his company Silverstein Properties was the lease holder of the site. “I only have the power of persuasion,” Trump said.[25] At the press conference, he read from a letter sent to him by Daniel Libeskind, whose plan was planned to be built. Trump quoted Libeskind as saying the shape of the tower was “the product of David Childs,” while he wanted a more slender, classical tower set back farther from the street.[25] Libeskind added in a statement Wednesday: “The site plan is not just about commercial buildings. The memorial is its crucial centerpiece. It is there for a reason.”[25] Trump, finishing his speech, said that “If we rebuild the World Trade Center in the form of a skeleton, the terrorists win.” and that if tenants could not be found for the project, to build a memorial park instead.[25]

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  136. @136– Yeah. Thanks. If memory serves, he was all over the lot on it all. Opposed it. Then said rebuild the twin towers just like before. I do recall some beef he had about construction down there and shadows interfering with views from projects he was into.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. @Sammy:

    Here’s an anecdote from my media days in NY. Inside baseball stuff, but somewhat revealing on how Trump operated.

    Back in the early 80’s, when the three martini lunch was still deductible, recall Trump had a lot of projects and properties in work around Manhattan, Connecticut, Florida, North Jersey and Atlantic City. And he funneled a lot of advertising, PR, promotion and marketing dollars for them through various New York based ad agencies. They were still a clubby group then. Trump was a marquee name to have on your client roster in the metropolitan region and the top four-A shops welcomed his business.

    If you caught the TV series ‘Mad Men,’ one of the last vestiges left over from that era was still in place then– the 17.65% commission four-A agencies charged top drawer clients for creative, account and media buying services. It was pretty much on the QT, too. Nobody talked much about it. Handshake contracts and such. CBS paid it. Panasonic paid it. It was just the way the business was ‘done’ and deep-pocketed firms didn’t squawk. Nobody back then ever thought of trying to negotiate it because everybody paid it and with some good accounting, it could be a deduction.

    Now you likely are quite aware of how adept Trump is at self-promotion and marketing. But Trump has always cast a suspicious eye toward the cost/benefit of advertising in general. It’s a different animal from promotion and sometimes you can still hear that skepticism surface when he is campaigning.

    Trump had so much business out to shops back then and was ramping up the AC work as well that he balked at the standard commission fees because he wasn’t convinced the cost/benefit was paying off in advertising. So why pay that rate? What am I getting for it? I’ll negotiate a lower fee. So he made it known to shops he wouldn’t pay the 17.65% commission. 12%– maybe 14%. He’d negotiate.

    Well, nobody at the four star top shops wanted that buzz out in the industry; that all of a sudden, their gravy train fee structure could be “negotiated.” If Trump got to negotiate it, they’d all want it. So the top shops stood firm, believing the shops down the food chain in the ‘club’ would stand with them. However, up and coming shops, hungry for business and wanting to add a marquee name to draw in even more business, broke ranks and began negotiating with The Donald. And Trump threw business their way. The top shops were blind-sided.

    So within the ad biz circles at that time, Trump is ‘credited’ or ‘blamed’ for breaking the back of the fee structure along Madison Avenue. Today, negotiating the fee is routine. It wasn’t then. On one hand, he cost a lot of people their jobs at the big shops. But on the other hand, he created opportunities for new jobs at smaller shops. It’s classic early Trump, just before the Marla Maples times.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. “All jokes aside, the Republican Party is officially afraid of Donald Trump. He has virtually zero chance of winning the presidential nomination.” – Politico, 6/26/15. Oops.

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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