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What’s Missing from This L.A. Times Account of the Hollywood Shooting?

Filed under: Dog Trainer,Political Correctness — Patterico @ 2:26 pm

How about the fact that a witness says the gunman was shouting “Allahu Akbar”?

A witness named April Manlo says at 2:37:

He was running over there. And he sh — I heard a — yeah, yes, on the ground. I hear two shots, bap bap bap bap. And he’s shouting and running. “Allahu akbar.” He said: “Allahu akbar.”

Now, witnesses are sometimes mistaken, of course. The shooter has been identified as a man named Tyler Brehm, and it has been suggested that a break-up may have motivated the shooting.

But the witness was there, and the reporter wasn’t. So unless there we know for a fact that the witness was wrong — if we know why the shooter did it and it isn’t Islamic extremism — witness accounts should not be suppressed in the name of political correctness.

And we know from history that they sometimes are. We also know from the Fort Hood shooting that the L.A. Times and other news organizations squelched information that Nidal Hasan was motivated by Islamic extremism.

Is that happening again?

Thanks to an anonymous tipster.

72 Responses to “What’s Missing from This L.A. Times Account of the Hollywood Shooting?”

  1. here’s a picture of Tyler he looks sorta killy plus also they have video and also they have the detail that the unnamed guy in the mercedes was a black guy

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  2. here’s lots more pictures of Tyler… plus one in his last moments… he looks normal in most of them except for the douchey gold chain

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  3. I love when the cops terminate these guys rather than arrest them.

    koam @wittier (777b2f)

  4. plus at that link at #2 they have more video… he doesn’t shoot like the way they teach you in gun school

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  5. Let’s not forget, however, Nidal Hasan was only involved in workplace violence.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  6. coulda said “aaaah-choo, I’m on gack”

    Thank goodness the officers had the presence of mind to put the mad dog down.

    Colonel Haiku (6e258b)

  7. I lov h ow leftys acuse others of being anti-muslim zealots while they accuse Jews of plottng to steal Ahmadinejad’s organs.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  8. how*

    And I love how leftys try to whitewash anti-jewish hate crimes insisting Muslims are more pron e to being killed in hate-crimes.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  9. And just because his GIVEN name is Tyler Brehm doesn’t mean he hasn’t been going by something else for the last couple of months or last year…

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  10. “How about the fact that a witness says the gunman was shouting “Allahu Akbar”?”

    He might really have been shouting “Aloha Snackbar,” since it’s easy to get those two mixed up. The considerate LA Time editors certainly do not want to offend anyone of a mostly peaceful indeterminate religion choosing to engage in sudden acts of workplace violence by suggesting otherwise.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  11. I’m sure Eric Holder will get to the bottom of this in no time flat.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. Check out this very slightly edited version of this post.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  13. prone*

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  14. The left are jackasses.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  15. “What’s Missing from This L.A. Times Account of the Hollywood Shooting?”

    Pictures of the GF, who is a model, for important journalistic purposes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  16. Daley, you know better than to say stuff like that without providing links.

    Scott Jacobs (d027b8)

  17. here is the gf

    I’m not sure what she models she’s super-short look how she stands on her toes for the picture

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  18. wtf was that Patterico?

    koam @wittier (777b2f)

  19. I watched that video and wondered why none of the drivers didn’t run him over.

    AZ Bob (7dbcdc)

  20. it’s hard to just up and run over people

    and for a good reason

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  21. “Daley, you know better than to say stuff like that without providing links.”

    Scott – Multiple links in comments to Patterico’s link. Did not want to post them here without permission of proprietor even with important journalistic purpose.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  22. Which is better, your BF breaking up with you because he is gay, your ex-BF killing himself, your BF dumping you for a tranny (Kelly Osbourne)?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  23. Kelly is a very genuinely sweet person from what I understand

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  24. Mr. Feets – I have personally witnessed the first two situations and now read about the third. All three are filled with fraughtness for the woman I think.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  25. i think the second one is the worst cause of the deadness involved

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  26. Time to round up the mo-ham-head lovers and get them back to their sand castles.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  27. islamic peoples are mostly very very nice the halal grocer special-orders stuff for me for example… he’s gonna call me when he gets more mango shrikhand


    that makes my life better

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  28. plus they have the canned hummus hardly anyone carries and for only 99 cents a can

    that, my friend, is value

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  29. “witness” =/= “declare”

    “reporter” =/= “contributer”

    Strange substitutions….

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  30. AZ Bob,

    That was my first thought, too. If they had time to think, perhaps they thought it might be a movie. A lot of the people interviewed in the article said that’s what they thought.

    DRJ (8b9d41)

  31. That’s a strange link, Patterico. I know there are websites that reprint other people’s posts but I didn’t realize they did it so quickly.

    DRJ (8b9d41)

  32. Mr. Feet – The sweet Ms. Kelly said it was worse than your BF cheating on you wif an ugly girl, so there’s that to think about.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  33. she’s wise beyond her years that one

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  34. Much like that Winona hoochie.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  35. she’s as beautiful on the inside as she is on the outside, that one

    and isn’t that what it’s all about really?

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  36. Comment by Dohbiden — 12/10/2011 @ 3:22 pm

    I love how leftys accuse others of being anti-muslim zealots while they accuse Jews of plotting to steal Ahmadinejad’s organs.

    It’s actually China that is stealing organs. What they are accusing Israel and others too is medically impossible. They only take corneas and kidneys from people shot in the field, and even so, they need to inject an anticoagulant before shooting them, and doctors are standing at the ready before. Now if this was done right outside a hospital, maybe they could do more.

    The Xinjiang Procedure: Beijing’s ‘New Frontier” is ground zero for organ harvesting of politically prisoners By Ethan Gutmann, in the December 5, 2011 issue of the Weekly Standard. Vol. 17, No. 12, page 19-24.

    Xinjiang used to be spelled Sinkiang, and you’ll see that in old maps. The Uighurs call it East Turkestan.

    Thirty-six scheduled executions would translate into 72 kidneys and corneas divided among the regional hospitals. Every van contained surgeons who could work fast: 15-30 minutes to extract. Drive back to the hospital. Transplant within six hours. Nothing fancy or experimental; execution would probably ruin the heart.

    …… snip …….

    Following the chief surgeon’s directive, the team loaded the body into the ambulance. Enver felt himself going numb: Just cut the clothes off. Just strap the limbs to the table. Just open the body. He kept making attempts to follow normal procedure—sterilize, minimal exposure, sketch the cut. Enver glanced questioningly at the chief surgeon. “No anaesthesia,” said the chief surgeon. “No life support.”

    The anaesthesiologist just stood there, arms folded—like some sort of ignorant peasant, Enver thought. Enver barked at him. “Why don’t you do something?”

    “What exactly should I do, Enver? He’s already unconscious. If you cut, he’s not going to respond.”

    But there was a response. As Enver’s scalpel went in, the man’s chest heaved spasmodically and then curled back again. Enver, a little frantic now, turned to the chief surgeon. “How far in should I cut?”

    “You cut as wide and deep as possible. We are working against time.”

    Enver worked fast, not bothering with clamps, cutting with his right hand, moving muscle and soft tissue aside with his left, slowing down only to make sure he excised the kidneys and liver cleanly. Even as Enver stitched the man back up—not internally, there was no point to that anymore, just so the body might look presentable—he sensed the man was still alive. I am a killer, Enver screamed inwardly. He did not dare to look at the face again, just as he imagined a killer would avoid looking at his victim.

    The team drove back to Urumqi in silence.

    On Thursday, the chief surgeon confronted Enver: “So. Yesterday. Did anything happen? Yesterday was a usual, normal day. Yes?”

    Enver said yes, and it took years for him to understand that live organs had lower rejection rates in the new host, or that the bullet to the chest had—other than that first sickening lurch—acted like some sort of magical anaesthesia. He had done what he could; he had stitched the body back neatly for the family. And 15 years would elapse before Enver revealed what had happened that Wednesday…

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  37. I saw that article too, Sammy. Pretty horrendous.

    As Dana points out, after all of the investigation, not only was the Jihadist nature of Hasan’s attack downplayed initially, but it was essentially negated in the final report.

    I’ve though Panetta seemed more sane and reasonable from things he’s said. Unless he is afraid to leave the DOD in other hands I would hope that he would do a “surgical strike” as well as “carpet bombing” of the people behind such nonsense, and if his boss is behind it, resign. But if he is as good as he sounds at times, he may have the dedication to stick it out and salvage what he can.

    Maybe we should assume that unless another clear and documented reason for a crime is given, we should just assume it is a Jihadist. Maybe then they would report rather than have we the people assume 50% of crime is by Jihadis.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  38. This sort of explains although not justifies why some Uighurs turned to militancy in the ETIM, btw,
    the prison where they found Jack Bauer at the end of beginning of Season 6, was in Zinjiang.

    narciso (87e966)

  39. No, no. That witness said that the shooter said:

    “Hello Barney’s Beanery.”

    I think he had been 86’d.

    AZ Bob (7dbcdc)

  40. See Larry Niven’s “The Jigsaw Man” (wiki) about the moral hazards associated with organ harvesting from the condemned.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  41. _____________________________________________

    We also know from the Fort Hood shooting that the L.A. Times and other news organizations squelched information that Nidal Hasan was motivated by Islamic extremism.

    The insanity of political correctness has gotten so ludicrous nowadays that people within the context of the US military — and not within the ACLU, NAACP or LA Times — downplayed the overt Islamic fanaticism of Nidal Hasan until it was too late—-until several people had been gunned down. Innocent folks sacrificed on the altar of political correctness, thanks largely to the choke hold of socio-cultural leftism working its way throughout society.

    Mark (411533)

  42. Blame the dems, their fingerprints are all over these failed programs.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  43. Maj Hassan and Ft Hood was an example of workplace violence, not Islamic extremism.

    JD (554e77)

  44. 😆

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  45. Pointing out Islamic aggression only promotes pointless wars like the ones in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lybia (and Egypt, Syria, etc.).

    So our moral leaders of the media are correct in their denial. You can handle the truth.

    AZ Bob (7dbcdc)

  46. You can’t handle the truth. My mistake.

    AZ Bob (7dbcdc)

  47. it’s hard to just up and run over people
    Comment by happyfeet — 12/10/2011 @ 4:55 pm

    — Unless you’re the POTUS and the person what you just threw under the bus has “done a stellar job in the service of his/her country”.

    Icy (8e81e4)

  48. Sorry the Lybia war is not pointless


    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  49. sickofrinos!

    Icy (8e81e4)

  50. Unless you’re the POTUS and the person what you just threw under the bus is your grandmotherhas “done a stellar job in the service of his/her country”.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  51. it’s hard to just up and run over people
    Comment by happyfeet

    On the contrary… chrome poisoning is relatively easy to dish out.

    Colonel Haiku (13f65b)

  52. “All of you can’t star!”

    Perhaps he was mad about director Garry Marshall’s latest ensemble-from-hellvaganza.

    Icy (8e81e4)

  53. “Watch out, you; that’s tar!”

    He was just trying to be helpful

    Icy (8e81e4)

  54. Perhaps he was mad at not having universal healthcare……..right Michael dopeshit bloomingturd?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  55. It was just more Hollywood street-theatre, but the blue-nosed (and suited) critics were not amused.

    Col. Troutman (5fba54)

  56. You know what I’m glad he is dead.

    Cue the selective outrage from those who were glad Heston died.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  57. You just gave me a thought, daleyrocks. Perhaps we should all be praising our oh so sly and clever CommieSlanderer in Sleaze (well, not when I say it that way, but I digress . . .) for his boldness in identifying the racists in our midst — be they friends, relatives, spiritual advisors, congressional colleagues, whatever — and his stone-faced resolve when he asks them to stand behind the Greyhound and guide him in as he backs up. Say “when”!

    Icy (8e81e4)

  58. “Al, have you that jar?”

    He was jus’ lookin’ for his bottle o’ Thunderbird

    Icy (8e81e4)

  59. The role of psychedelic drugs in this man’s mental imbalance may be significant–
    I’m getting the impression that he and his gf enjoyed them together and she doesn’t want to be investigated for her use.

    Auntie Fraud (2f38aa)

  60. I heard the guy was mad at being fired from the Kinkos/FedEx on Vine.

    LYT (191703)

  61. Comment by MD in Philly — 12/10/2011 @ 8:54 pm

    I saw that article too, Sammy. Pretty horrendous.

    Yes. It may not be so low-tech and rural now. It’s probably all don in hospitals or very near a hospital. There was a book published in 2009 by William Morrow about what was possibly the last U.S. citizen who got a kidney in China (from a condemned prisoner)

    The patient was probably mobbed up, and this was already in violation of Chinese rules since by that time they would only do transplants for citizens of Thailand and the like. They claimed (at least to the patient’s cousin, who wrote the book, whom they thought was his brother) that the condemned man was a big murderer, and possibly in that case he was, because the patient was a U.S. citizen and there was a higher risk of a scandal. Details have been changed in that book.

    The book is:

    Larry’s Kidney: Being the True Story of How I Found Myself in China with My Black Sheep Cousin and His Mail-Order Bride, Skirting the Law to Get Him a Transplant–and Save His Life by Daniel Asa Rose (William Morrow, 2009)

    (also available on Kindle. But if you order it Patterico would like you to use his link. I ordered something on Thursday and it was delivered on Sunday morning – by someone wearing what looked like a USPS uniform – a U.S. mailman.)

    The article seems to say that it may have stopped or mostly stopped in Sinkiang in 1999 – they found another, bigger source of organs:

    … By my estimate up to three million Falun Gong practitioners would pass through the Chinese corrections system. Approximately 65,000 would be harvested, hearts still beating, before the 2008 Olympics. An unspecified, significantly smaller, number of House Christians and Tibetans likely met the same fate.

    According to page 288 of Larry’s Kidney the number of such executions is officially a state secret.

    The author of the article wants to minimize it, for some reason:

    By Holocaust standards these are piddling numbers, so let’s be clear: China is not the land of the final solution.

    Indeed, that would mean they only killed 2% of their Falun Gong prisoners for transplants over a nearly 10 year period – maybe only one quarter of 1% a year.

    The book Larry’s Kidney says that only a short time goes on between a sentence of death and execution, but what I think that means, is that what’s really going on is that they don’t officially pronounce a sentence of death until they are ready to do it.

    China has actually put death sentences on hold for a long time – maybe even going back into the 1950s, That was maybe for a different reason. Probably Chou (Zhou) en Lai who may have wanted to save some people but couldn’t do it so openly, prevailed on Mao to not always execute people, arguing this was just as good, and maybe saying, after all Stalin made some mistakes that way.

    This delayed sentence of death (ultimate outcome depending pending good behavior) also happened to the Gang of Four, so I think it’s kind of routine for political prisoners. But now they found a use for executions: organ transplants. Still, of course they have to keep people on the shelf for a long time till there is a good match. When someone is a candidate for an organ transplant the first thing they do is take a blood sample, and maybe other things and by now people know what it is they do, and so it was reported that some prisoners in Urumqi in 2009 were given physical examinations with an eye to assessing how good a candidate they would be a donor, so political prisoners are not out of danger, but now there’s a much wider pool of donors to pick from, and probably only a still limited number and maybe even a shrinking pool of recipients.

    A year or so ago there was some movement to get voluntary organ donation (which doesn’t really exist) started in China – it could be some officials are afraid they may one day become organ donors, although people of an age to influence policy are probably too old and not healthy enough for that.

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  62. This is a country that killed multiples of “The Final Solution” in The Great Leap Forward, and again in The Cultural Revolution.
    The miniscule numbers involved in exterminating The Falun Gong would not generate any great introspection.
    Just another Stalinist Statistic.

    AD-RtR/OS! (5fba54)

  63. Comment by narciso — 12/10/2011 @ 9:09 pm

    This sort of explains although not justifies why some Uighurs turned to militancy in the ETIM,

    It could explain why some people might be abe to be recruited into that, especially if they didn;’tknow whatwas going on.

    But the Wikipedia article on the East Turkestan Islamic Movement:

    Which may be in more of a state of flux that most Wikipedia article right now states or has an opinion by someone that the East Turkestan Islamic Movement may be nothing more than a creation of China’s government (and that does actually make sense, since Pakistan’s rogue intelligence agency is responsible for most Islamic fundamnentalism in the region, and the ISI is closely tied and probably being bribed by China, so how could a really anti-China thing exist?

    Anyway the Wikipedia article has now (December 11, 2011)

    The East Turkestan Islamic Movement was founded by Communist China just after September 11, 2001 in order to crack down Uyghurs. Native Uyghurs in East Turkestan know nothing about such orginizations.


    Dru C. Gladney, an authority on Uyghurs, said that there was “a credibility gap” about the group since the majority of information on ETIM “was traced back to Chinese sources.”[7] The Uyghur American Association has publicly doubted the ETIM’s existence.[8] Yet repeated unexplained attacks on Chinese buses in 2008 have followed a history of ETIM targeting Chinese infrastructure.[9]

    Well, the Czarist secret police sponsored some real attacks, including the murder of the former Russian Prime Minister, Pyotr Stolypin, in September 1911..

    This is not in the Wikipedia article about Stolypin but you will find it in the Wikipedia article about Dmitri Bogrov, his assassin:

    Born Mordekhai Gershkovich Bogrov (Мордехай Гершкович Богров) into a family of Jewish merchants in Kiev (Russian Empire), Bogrov, while simultaneously acting as an anarchist revolutionary, had been an agent of the Okhrana secret police since 1906, informing on the activities of Socialist Revolutionaries, Social Democrats and anarchists.

    On 14 September 1911, Dmitry Bogrov shot the Russian Prime Minister, Pyotr Stolypin, in the Kiev Opera House, in front of Tsar Nicholas II and two of his daughters. (Stolypin died four days later.) This act was ostensibly accomplished in order to decapitate a successful and popular conservative reform movement and thus hasten violent revolution. Bogrov was also attempting to stop the anti-Jewish pogroms that Stolypin was inciting. However, it has been alleged that Bogrov was permitted to act at the behest of extreme right-wing elements in the Tsarist secret police who detested Stolypin because of his agrarian reforms and his flair for parliamentary government. (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn extensively investigates and gives full credit to this conjecture in his famous historical novel August 1914.)

    Bogrov was executed within 10 days of Stolypin’s death, and further investigation was ordered discontinued by the Czar (which doesn’t mean he was part of it, of course, but it could be he was gulled into signing that)

    [note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  64. btw, the prison where they found Jack Bauer at the end of beginning of Season 6, was in Zinjiang.

    Well if it used to be S and is now X maybe it is pronounced close to an S. A Z sound is close, and that’s what X often stands for in words derived from Greek. Or any time it starts a word.

    Looks like the writers of 24 did some research.

    The author of the Weekly Standard article thought Xinjiang was a laboratory for the Communist Party – they did nuclear testing there, and have now built the world’s largest slave labor camp (unless there is something being overlooked some place like North Korea) – 50,000 people – mostly Uighers, hardcore criminals and Falun Gong.

    Slave labor camps have somewhat gone out of fashion since the 1930s and the 1940s.

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  65. By the way, China may not really be a Communist dictatorship.

    It is ruled by a junta, but it is disguised as a Communist dictatorship, which in turn is (rather thinly) disguised as place ruled by elections and with a Parliament and a Constitution.

    A lot of the same people have high positions in the legal government, the Communist Party, and the junta, but the junta is what is really in charge. The junta doesn’t bother with a lot of details of ordinary government.

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  66. Comment by AD-RtR/OS! — 12/11/2011 @ 5:33 pm

    This is a country that killed multiples of “The Final Solution” in The Great Leap Forward, and again in The Cultural Revolution.

    The Great Leap Forward was already pretty late They murdered a lot of people in the 1950s. The high death toll in the Great Leap Forward 1958-1962) was from famine, and it’s more comparable to Stalin’s famine of 1930s – repeated a little bit in 1946. The numbers came not because people were individually sentenced to death, but because the government made and enforced and was powerful and dreaded enough to enforce, economic regulations that made it impossible for people to live.

    The Cultural Revolution had some more executions than the Great Leap Forward, but actually maybe not a very big death toll – the biggest impact was impoverishment, banishment and preventing education.

    And with all that they hadn’t yet
    come up with maybe the biggest and the saddest and most ultimate restriction on liberty or hope – forbidding births. Not that that many people were anxious to have children in a tyranny that would look as if it would last, but it is different with different people.

    Oh, with Uighurs in the late 1990s they had another trick, according to the Weekly Standard article. I think what’s missing in the article is that it may be that Uighurs were exempt from the one–child rule. Minorities in China generally are. I suspect that is because of the genocide treaty and it is one of those things where the junta (or People’s Liberation Army) has not overruled the civilians running the government. This didn’t get placed into the category of a treaty China violates. No military significance etc.

    So what happened was:

    If a Uighur couple had a second child, even if the birth was legally sanctioned, Chinese maternity doctors, she observed, administered an injection (described as an antibiotic) to the infant. The nurse could not recall a single instance of the same injection given to a Chinese baby. Within three days the infant would turn blue and die. Chinese staffers offered a rote explanation to Uighur mothers: Your baby was too weak, your baby could not handle the drug.

    Another trick of the Chinese secret police , according to this article, was twisting a wire around a prisoner’s neck, so he couldn’t speak up in court. The Soviet Union had had a number of cases where dissidents would speak in court even though only a family member or two could report. Evidently, there was something forcing a court session but the government could still prevent the prisoner from informing anybody of anything, or maybe from speaking out when asked:”Prisoner do you dispute this thing” or “Prisoner, do you have anything to say” and maybe his “lawyer” says a few words.

    when the prisoner was executed and readied for organ extraction, an angry purple line was viible on the neck. In court this had probably been hidden by clothing.

    The miniscule numbers involved in exterminating The Falun Gong would not generate any great introspection.
    Just another Stalinist Statistic.

    Sammy Finkelman (b17872)

  67. All of North Korea is a slave labor camp.
    And what difference is it how 100 million Chinese died – they died from Marxism, as practiced by Mao!
    Just as the Kulaks of the Ukraine (and other areas of the CCCP) died of Stalin imposed Marxism.
    Dead is dead, whether you’re worked to death at Vorkuta or Magadan, shot by the side of the road, or tortured at the Lubyanka.

    AD-RtR/OS! (5fba54)

  68. Um the junta is communist aligned Sammy.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  69. Joke from the days of the Cultural Revolution: Three men meet in a prison cell and immediately ask each other “what are you in for”. The first man says “I supported Teng Hsiao Ping” (as his name was spelled back then). The second man says “I opposed Teng Hsiao Ping”. And the third man says “I am Teng Hsiao Ping”.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  70. And the man asking the question was Pu Yi!

    AD-RtR/OS! (5fba54)

  71. Gotta love the left accusing others of religious bigotry when people criticize Islam but yet they have no problem using the westboro baptist church to malign all of Christianity.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  72. The death of this man is why we must break americas love affair with the 2nd amendment


    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

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