Coverage of the Fort Hood Shooting: Hot Air vs. the L.A. Times; UPDATE: Shooter Still Alive; UPDATE: L.A. Times Flushes Original Story Down Memory Hole
[UPDATE 11-5-09 11:17 p.m.: The L.A. Times has whisked the original version of its story down the memory hole. Never fear: I knew this was coming and saved a copy. See UPDATE x4 below. — P]
Whenever there is breaking news, it’s good to keep a few things in mind:
- Don’t jump to conclusions.
- Don’t be afraid to discuss relevant topics even if they seem politically incorrect.
- Always follow Allahpundit.
With these caveats in mind, it’s interesting to compare the coverage of the Fort Hood shootings by Allahpundit to the coverage by the L.A. Times. We know that the shooter has been identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan, who was a psychiatrist at Fort Hood. From there, coverage differs wildly.
Perusing Allahpundit’s coverage, which is excellent and still developing, we learn the following:
- The Austin-American Statesman reported that, according to Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Hasan “was upset about being deployed to Iraq.” (This had not happened yet but was upcoming.)
- There is a report that the shooter was shouting something in Arabic at the time of the shooting.
- Shepard Smith interviewed Hasan’s cousin:
The cousin said that Hasan had always been Muslim, disputing reports that Hasan was a Muslim convert. The cousin also confirmed that Hasan had requested not to be deployed overseas to the war. He said that being deployed was “his worst nightmare.” According to the cousin, Hasan was desperately trying to avoid being deployed.
- Shepard Smith also had an interview with a retired colonel who worked with Hasan at the Fort Hood psyche ward:
The colonel heard Hasan say that “maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor” in Iraq and Afghanistan. He also heard Hasan comment that he was “almost sort of happy” about a shooting at a Little Rock recruitment center.
The colonel confirms that Hasan was about to be deployed but did not say whether it was to be to Iraq or Afghanistan.
- As of the publication of this post, the latest is that Hasan may have written Internet posts approving of suicide bombings:
Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.
Again, remember the warning about jumping to conclusions. This is not confirmed. But it is interesting.
Given the above facts, would you be surprised to learn that as of the time of this post, the L.A. Times story on the shooting has no mention of the shooter’s religion, his alleged rants against U.S. involvement in Iraq, his alleged approval of suicide bombings, or the allegations that he was shouting something in Arabic as he shot?
Now, keep in mind my first injunction above. This is a breaking story, and we don’t know for sure what his motivations were. Don’t jump to conclusions. However, I do note that the L.A. Times saw fit to spend a couple of paragraphs talking about suicides at Army bases due to deployments to the war:
Base personnel have accounted for more suicides than any other Army post since the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with 75 tallied through July of this year. Nine of those suicides occurred in 2009, counting two in overseas war zones.
Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the Army’s deputy chief of staff, has been leading an effort to reduce the number of Army suicides, which has climbed sharply this year, possibly as a result from long and repeated deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Somehow, this is relevant, even though Hasan was never deployed to the war, even once. But his religion? His rants against the war? His desperate attempts to avoid deployment? His alleged shouting in Arabic? His alleged approval of suicide bombings? There is not one word about any of that.
Regardless of what Hasan’s motivation turns out to be, this information is relevant to the overall assessment. It could turn out that Hasan’s motivations have nothing to do with the war or Islam. Based on what I’m reading tonight, that appears unlikely . . . but I’m not jumping to any conclusions.
But the fact that we don’t know his motivations yet with crystal clarity is no excuse for burying the facts I have just related to you. As we try to figure out what’s going on, those facts matter. If you read Hot Air (or this site) you’re learning those facts. If you read the L.A. Times, they are being hidden from you.
And it’s quite clear why: political correctness. The L.A. Times will bury this as long as they can — probably until they’re embarrassed into revealing it due to its clear relevance. They will applaud themselves for being sober and cautious — something they would never do if the shooter were an aficionado of Rush Limbaugh instead of Allah and anti-American rants.
And so, a large news organization pats itself on the back for its correct beliefs — as its readers have no idea what’s going on.
Die, Big Media. Die already.
UPDATE: The latest word is that Hasan is still alive. What did I say about jumping to conclusions? Just because 500,000 news organizations already reported that he was dead, that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true.
Take a deep breath and wait for the facts. And for God’s sake, be willing to discuss all the facts.
UPDATE x2: Hasan’s alleged comment:
There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.
Honestly, how long can the L.A. Times bury its head in the sand?
UPDATE x3: Much more on Hasan’s devout Muslim faith here. And L.A. Times readers are still in the dark . . .
UPDATE x4: The paper has now whisked the original version of the story down the memory hole, and replaced it with a new one at the same Web address. I knew they would do this, as they have a history of doing it. So I copied the whole text of the story as it appeared when I first did the post. Read that here. Then I copied a changed version at 6:46 p.m., after it was known that Hasan was alive. That version also suppressed any mention of the items mentioned in this post. Read that version here.
Hearing reports that the shooter is not dead.
The plot thickens.
Techie (482700) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:20 pmDid the little president man really pause and give a shout out to his dirty socialist homies before addressing the tragedy? I read that this afternoon but it was busy and I forgot where.
happyfeet (f62c43) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:24 pmHappy, the video is over at Ace. Barry is many things…Presidential is not one of them.
Gazzer (cac68a) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:31 pmoh. yes, yes he did. I couldn’t see the video at work. How pathetic. At best he has no idea what he’s doing.
happyfeet (f62c43) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:32 pmThis fact will come out:
Hassan was a life-long, close friend of Barack Obama. They went to Mecca together as teenage pilgrims.
You heard it here first.
Bachman/Palin in 2012. It’s the right choice.
Larry Reilly (45c8f2) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:36 pmGrow up, Larry. Your juvenile behavior got old a long time ago.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:38 pmIsn’t it cute when the trolls pick threads about dead US soldiers?
Techie (482700) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:40 pmoh. At about 3:57 at that video at Mr. Ace’s. The little president man wants all of us to know that as commander in chief himself there’s no greater honour but also no greater responsibility for him than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for and that their safety and security when they are at home is provided for so he’s gonna stay on this.
I’m glad he’s honoured but as far as that business about properly cared for and safety and security goes, this was a pretty big FAIL I think.
But that shouldn’t take away from the great honour he feels I don’t think.
happyfeet (f62c43) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:41 pmi saw the “shout out” on a clip from CNN over at Ace’s: Ear Leader at the Dept of Interior
Ear Leader was more concerned about the meeting there than he was about some GIs getting killed somewhere.
as for Ft. Hood, i called my friend who is AGR with the TXNG, and who’s husband is Active Duty at Hood.
the unit involved is the 20th Engineer Battalion, who is getting ready for deployment to the ‘stan.
he’s ok, but it was his unit going through SRP when this occurred.
caveat: there may be casualties from other units, but i haven’t bothered her/them since i first called for all the obvious reasons. they will be announced publicly as soon as the notification teams have done their duty.
(to the watchers, back up to these statements is available, should you wish it)
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:43 pmI’m glad he’s on the case.
happyfeet (f62c43) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:44 pmBTW: i, for one, am glad this POS is alive….
his trial will be under the UCMJ, or it should be, and under it, you can still execute murderers.
i’d get in shape and come out of retirement, just to put the noose on his head.
redc1c4 (fb8750) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:46 pmI’m gonna go out on a limb and say that he’s succeeded at that.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:49 pmThe Obama statement was bizarre. He went on for two full minutes about what a great conference the Interior department had organized. After a few awkward words (in which he did not promise “justice”, contrary to reports) he then closed by returning to the great Interior department conference.
Must have been a mind-blowingly great conference.
Glen Wishard (02562c) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:51 pmSomeone made the point that because we now know the gunman is alive, we have to refer to him as the “alleged” shooter.
Dana (e9ba20) — 11/5/2009 @ 6:52 pmBreaking: Massacre At Fort Hood…
At Hot Air, Allahpundit writes:
Ed Driscoll (a3d746) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:02 pmNo word yet motive, but the fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC. Seven dead, 12 wounded so far. Supposedly two of th…
“Alleged” my ass.
Techie (482700) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:03 pmOn its homepage, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution has three AP stories on this tragedy. Not one of the stories mentions that the (alleged) gunman is a Muslim.
Bubba Maximus (456175) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:04 pmBubba,
Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (0ea407) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:07 pmThey’re just following orders from their media masters.
Like hell we do.
I’m a private citizen. I can say whatever the hell I like. If he wants to sure, he has to prove I’m lying.
Good luck with that.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:07 pmFox News reports Hasan went to Virginia Tech. That’s a weird coincidence.
DRJ (dff2ca) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:10 pmHeadline: Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged gunman, had previously been reported among the dead.
6:46 p.m. LAT
It’s already happening.
Dana (e9ba20) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:13 pmI am kind of wondering when the American public is going to get tired of citizens being murdered by men with funny sounding names? Question, will he be charged with a hate crime? I think about 50,000 people should visit CAIR headquarters to tell them where they can put their lawsuits.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (68382f) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:15 pmDana… My dear…
The day I take my cues from the LAT is the day you can tie a tag around my toe.
*grins*
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:16 pmMSNBC seems to be running with the suicide/killbot meme, along with calling Republicans racist, bigots, and evil for opposing socialized medicine.
JD (45da85) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:19 pmOlbergasm refuses to note he is a Muslim. This is all about being deployed and being a psychiatrist.
JD (45da85) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:23 pmRemember the plot to shoot up Fort Dix? Remember how people laughed because “everyone is armed at an Army base” thus the plotters were harmless?
Hell, I’m too saddened to make any sense right now. Got to wait and see. Not much of a praying man, but I’ll be doing some tonight.
What an enormity.
Uncle Pinky (e4d7c2) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:24 pmIslamist = Mass murderers. If this guy is crazy they are admitting that every Islamist is crazy. Which Mosque tuned him up for mass murder?
Scrapiron (4e0dda) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:24 pmIf that shout-out from BHO was not his My Pet Goat moment, it will never happen. I was watching live, and I was livid.
sybilll (1aa016) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:29 pmAnd, taking 6 1/2 hours to reveal that Hasan was in fact alive stinks worse than Garafalo’s armpits.
CBS is addressing on some of these issues but its focus seems to be that Hasan was bullied. It’s a military version of the initial media response to Columbine.
DRJ (dff2ca) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:36 pmAlso from the CBS link, Hasan may have been upset with President Obama:
DRJ (dff2ca) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:47 pmalmost all of them are, but many of them disarm when going to the head, for example.
Michael Ejercito (6a1582) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:51 pm[…] saw a link on Twitter with a nice little article on Patterico about this stuff: Coverage of the Fort Hood shooting. I’m so very, very irritated pissed off that people are saying that this is a PTSD issue […]
This, that, and the other thing » Blog Archive » I’m just…wow. (bc2af9) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:54 pmWe, the public, don’t have to refer to anyone as “alleged”. That is only in the court system. It should also be noted that “innocent until proven guilty” only applies there as well.
TJ (3aaba5) — 11/5/2009 @ 7:59 pmI got in my car at 5 p.m. and heard the first reports. I wondered, when will we be blamed?
Answer, 5:36 p.m., when his cousin blamed “harassment” in the Army for Hasan’s killing spree.
Patricia (b05e7f) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:00 pmActually, on a military base, the only people who are ALWAYS armed are the MPs. For the most part, most don’t carry weapons on base.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:04 pmThe reason it took the President so long to comment on the massacre was that it took that long for that Chris Matthews’ tingling along his thigh to settle down, so he could speak clearly. Or something. At least there’s one soldier in uniform who won’t get prosecuted for using unnecessary force, especially if the President can get Attorney General Holder’s attention.
Brooks (5bcf3a) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:09 pm“29.CBS is addressing on some of these issues but its focus seems to be that Hasan was bullied. It’s a military version of the initial media response to Columbine.”
Yep. This is what the meme from the left will be. Racism and harrasment because he was Muslim. You can bet the farm on it.
Landru (23e0e1) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:13 pmJust because 500,000 news organizations already reported that he was dead, that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true.
The Ft. Hood commander said he had been killed.
steve (135d6a) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:15 pmNPR says Hasan may have been disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith:
DRJ (dff2ca) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:15 pmIf we neglect the fact that your statement is facially incorrect, you might have said something accurate.
But you did not.
Uncle Pinky (e4d7c2) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:27 pmI also noticed that long before any significant info had gotten out, the FBI had already investigated thoroughly and announced it was “not a terrorist incident.” Their efficiency is impressive.
Flubber (875088) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:28 pmThe media is not our friend.
JD (facce9) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:30 pmMarvelous post, Patrick.
Greg Ransom (4c28db) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:32 pmThe day I take my cues from the LAT is the day you can tie a tag around my toe.
Of course I agree, Scott, but the point remains that the MSM will influence and spin with a sympathetic twist toward the
Dana (e9ba20) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:37 pmgunmanalleged gunman, an overstressed military meme and the pointed avoidance/ignoring of the religious aspect. They are utterly predictable and we should not be the least bit surprised. Disgusted, yes, but not surprised.An interesting thing to think about. If someone would have shot Niddal Hasan in the head after his comments about suicide bombers, that hero would have to go to jail. The lives he would have saved from his actions would never be known, and that hero would rot in jail for the rest of his life.
j curtis (5126e4) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:37 pmI just got home from work about an hour ago and found a message on my cell from 1630 Ohio time. My daughter is safe and Ft Hood is on Lock-Down. (My daughter is stationed there.)
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:38 pmWhile it is true that almost everyone at a Stateside Army base has a firearm assigned to them, those weapons are locked up most of the time. And even when the soldiers have them in hand, the ammunition is locked up, too.
Peter (996c34) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:42 pm[…] 11:42 Hasan’s alleged comment (Via Patterico’s Pontifications) […]
Fort Hood Massacre Liveblogging | Right Wing News (c8efe7) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:44 pmRegarding suicide rates, my daughter mentioned that elsewhere.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:44 pmGood to hear, John.
MadCow is running with the PTSD / murderous killbot storylines.
JD (facce9) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:46 pmJohn Hitchcock@8:38 pm,
That’s wonderful news about your daughter. Thank God.
Dana (e9ba20) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:46 pmDo we believe that a female first responder arrived at the scene and shot the killer, or did the government decide that is a fiction they want us to believe at this point until the story changes tomorrow?
j curtis (5126e4) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:47 pm[…] see to what ends a major news outlet will go to be politically correct, check out Patterico’s account of how The Los Angeles Times has “covered” this story: But the fact that we don’t […]
Right Angles » Blog Archive » Media trying hard to kill the Muslim angle (1490a2) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:49 pmreligion of peace. amirite!
thegreatsatan (180095) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:59 pmOn Fort Hood and suicide rates, note that Fort Hood is a bit on the large side. It houses two whole Army Divisions. It is also a quick route to deployment (and return later, of course). So my daughter’s discussion of suicide rates fits the Fort Hood numbers to some extent.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:59 pmOn Fort Hood and suicide rates, note that Fort Hood is a bit on the large side. It houses two whole Army Divisions. It is also a quick route to deployment (and return later, of course). So my daughter’s discussion of suicide rates fits the Fort Hood numbers to some extent.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 8:59 pmJH:
I’m glad you’re daughter is safe.
Ag80 (3d1543) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:06 pmGlad she’s safe, John…
But remind her that, in fact, the suicide rate for the army is lower than the same age-ranges in the US.
Or that was the case the last time I looked at the numbers.
Scott Jacobs (d027b8) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:09 pmFirst responder…
AD - RtR/OS! (0a796c) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:20 pmAt the CG’s first presser, he stated that both the shooter and the female, civilian police officer who shot him, were deceased.
At his 2nd presser, he announced that both were alive and recovering from surgery.
Sounds like a lot of initial confusion, which is pretty normal for such a horrendous occurrence.
Remember how long we were told about the bodies in the SuperDome during Katrina.
Zombies, Tea Parties, Ft. Hood, Little Junk Levi: Morning Intell…
Levi Johnston’s worried there’s not enough junk, Washington Tea Party gets attention, Boxer breaks the rules, Zombies in nature, and MORE: Morning Intell, Friday-November 6 2009
DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP (74b34b) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:36 pm……
Since his cousin is saying the shooter didn’t want to deploy because of the stories he heard from his patients, will we be seeing claims of “second-hand PTSD”?
neutrino (a70dc1) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:51 pmShepard Smith also had an interview with a retired colonel who worked with Hasan at the Fort Hood psyche ward.
He told about Hasan’s comments outside a conference “six months ago.” But Hasan was at Walter Reed six months ago.
He looked pretty relaxed this morning buying coffee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOeXzamxSk8
steve (15c3a4) — 11/5/2009 @ 9:56 pm[…] L.A. Times does not mention the shooter’s religion at all, and many mainstream media outlets chose to speculate about stress of repeated deployments […]
Fort Hood Shooter Alive, In Stable Condition (Updates) | America Watches Obama (4ab9a2) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:02 pmum…i don’t know if the LAT story has been updated since you linked but it 1) explicitly identifies him as Muslim 2) mentions his bizarre / crazy internet postings.
Indeed, after the lede and the “scene setters” the first grafs that deal specifically with this dude identify him as “Muslim” and his internet postings. Even CNN is covering that angle (which, frankly, shocks me to no small degree).
mh (ddf14e) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:08 pmAccording to “Coast to Coast” (a hardly believable source most of the time), MJR Hasan was scheduled to to to Afghanistan.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:09 pm“to to to” == “to go to”
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:09 pmSaying the LAT is just trying to be “politically correct” is too kind. PC implies someone honestly but timidly trying not to step on anyone’s toes. The LAT is consciously pursuing an agenda.
Gary Rosen (23a3a1) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:11 pmHassan was a life-long, close friend of Barack Obama.
That really wouldn’t be any more absurd and sickening than learning that the current occupant of the White House, in fact, embraced (ie, kissed up to, played footsies with, gave big hugs to, etc) for almost 20 years a person notorious for spouting off “goddamn America” sermons at the pulpit.
Mark (411533) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:14 pmThe LAT is now (10:23) mentioning his religion:
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-fort-hood-shootings6-2009nov06,0,820085,full.story
John Gardner (817d51) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:24 pmI can see global warming fanatics doing this same kind of thing someday. I can see it pretty easy, really. Did you see that creepy Newsweek Al Gore hagiography? Sick. I hate propaganda at the grocery store. It’s just very unwelcome.
happyfeet (f62c43) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:28 pmA few thoughts:
Wayne Richards (b5daa3) — 11/5/2009 @ 10:43 pmI don’t think the Air Force and the Navy have as high a suicide rate as the Army, but I stand to be corrected here. Can anyone enlighten?
Police have an even higher suicide rate.
I see two parallels between police and army: first, the nature of the stress seems very similar in many ways; and second, both tend to exclude from their social circles people who are not members or closely connected with their professions. Isolation, yes, but also the creation of a closed intellectual and emotional hotbed. Comments?
If Major Hasan is not being quoted out of context, he is wrong to conflate suicide bombers with men who fall on grenades to save their buddies. Suicide bombers routinely target civilians, not the opposing armed forces. Someone intelligent enough to be a practicing psychiatrist should be able to figure that out. His failure to do so would tell us lots about his mental state.
News media MUST use the word “alleged” until the accused has been found guilty. Similarly, even if the accused has confessed, they must use some such term as “self-confessed”, and “According to his own confession…” This is entirely to avoid tainting any potential jury or otherwise causing a mis-trial. Live with it.
He ain’t no alleged killer, but he was allegedly dead.
Ed from SFV (1333b1) — 11/5/2009 @ 11:11 pmSounds like an ordered hit intended — as many others since 20JAN09 — to encourage civil disorder or war in USA. These things are not lone-wolf or spontaneous.
Who are the “accomplices?” Names, religion, ethnicity, service records, associations, motivations?
These things do not just happen. EgyptAir Flight 990, a hit on Egyptian military passengers, including at least two GOs, and, by some reports, Pakistani fighter pilots returning from advanced training in the USA.
Ordered hit, Muslim Brotherhood, to which the co-pilot belonged.
Fort Hood massacre today sounds like an ordered hit.
David R. Graham (6bf7e4) — 11/5/2009 @ 11:26 pmNot likely. The targets were not high enough profile for an “ordered hit” to be the root.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/5/2009 @ 11:38 pm[…] Many updates at The Jawa Report, Hot Air and Patterico Pontification. […]
Major Malik Nadal Hasan Kills 12 Soldiers and Wounds 31 at Ft Hood, TX Murder Shooring Spree | Scared Monkeys (1b1833) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:02 amPossibly, but location and shooter are if the immediate targets are not the ultimate target/s (civil disorder as pretext for martial law).
Prediction: if Hasan is alive and stands trial, civil or military, he will walk free and Army and whoever wounded him, and the company for which they worked, will pay restitution.
C-i-C said in “his” book that if the political winds turn ugly, as now appears the case, he will “side with the Muslims.” On that his word can be trusted.
David R. Graham (6bf7e4) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:11 amOh, I would love to see the link to that Obama quote.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:12 amDavid, Obama is not bold enough to forgive this shooter. he will take the politically expedient route, which is to treat this as a criminal matter, try to act ‘tough on crime’, and point to this man’s conviction as some kind of accomplishment in the war on terror.
I am very concerned that this kind of treatment undermines our war effort. We need to discriminate on the basis of view point in our military. We cannot permit people like this to be in the military or even have access to the military, weapons, etc. That is an extreme view that is contrary to our nation’s values, which is why it is important to know we are in a war, and make a wartime exception to our values.
No one who opposes our wars should be in our military, and no one who sympathizes with the suicide bombers should be free. If FDR had only interned the Japanese who sympathized with Pearl Harbor’s attack, would he have been wrong?
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:21 amTread very lightly on that one, Dustin. You’re entering “thought crime” territory.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:26 amWe listened to Fox News driving to Tucson this evening. One point; the announcement that the shooter was dead could have been a ploy in case co-conspirators were around. “Oh, he’s dead so they can’t tie me to him.” It may have been confusion but it may be part of a scenario worked out when they don’t know all the plotters.
Mike K (addb13) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:27 amMike, I think that’s a good theory. I hope our people are free to do that sort of thing.
John, I know… it’s definitely a place to be very careful. And it’s utterly absurd that any such measure will ever take place. and it’s not like our military is teeming with jihadists… this is just a very painful example that it’s not a purely patriotic military. I don’t know if that justifies doing anything… would it do more harm than good?
But in a war effort, sympathizers to the enemy should be handled somehow. Thrown in a camp? I wouldn’t mind in this case. I’m only talking about people who actually show some interest in violent jihad.
As for our military, I bet they already know they are expected to be willing to kill the USA’s enemies, even if they practice a soldier’s religion. This guy wouldn’t have been stopped by whatever measure I come up with. He was a traitor and a liar.
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/6/2009 @ 12:44 amHad he waited till he was deployed to do this, much less harm would’ve been done. My daughter felt naked without her fully loaded M-4 when she got back to the states.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/6/2009 @ 1:16 amSeattle area, a major AQ/Hamas/MB/IRGC center overseen by terrified, appeasing political/judicial establishment, is ripe.
Nation-wide, military bases are high-value targets. Berrigans, Dohrn and Ayers knew that decades ago. Doubtful only Hood has been penetrated so far. Sleepers are woken as mission decisions are made.
Massive Wahhabi-financed Afro-Mohammedan racial recruiting in US prison systems has produced attacks and promises more for decades.
The number of attacks thwarted, especially before 20JAN09, is huge. DOJ, now working for the WH, has ordered pull-back on surveillance and prosecution of those filling prime attack profiles.
Also, WH dissembling and inertia on OEF, likely deliberate to embarrass MNF individuals and units, has sucked down force morale, unsurprisingly. They know there is an enemy in their rear.
Propaganda outlets will use this to justify Hasan’s and accomplices’ actions at Hood. Blame the troops for their low morale, lack of loyalty to the administration or chain of command. Last month a prof at Yale test-flew that narrative in re GEN McChrystal, parallel the narrative used regarding GOA MacArthur.
(Officers are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA, not an administration; Enlisted are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the USA and obey the orders of the President and the Officers appointed over them, not an administration.)
By policy, all attacks are immediately labeled “not terrorist-related.” This is not necessarily to avoid fingering Mohammedans. It is to avoid civil unrest necessitating martial law or, short of that, the political inconvenience of having to preempt Afro-Mohammedan Imperialism, the driving factor in all of this.
President G. W. Bush did a lot to protect our nation and its Armed Forces and I thank him for his service to our country as POTUS, earlier and still. His central mistake as POTUS, and it was a whopper, was telling Americans after 09SEP01 to return to the shopping malls. Correct response was telling them to gird their loins, forget life as usual and focus on annihilating Afro-Mohammedan Imperialism foreign and domestic.
The picture of GWB holding hands with the Saudi King was comparable to the picture of the South Vietnamese Officer shooting the VC member in the head at point blank range. Subverted the mission, destroyed mission credibility, shattered remaining approval. Everyone knows Saudis are one engine of Afro-Mohammedan Imperialism, Iranians the other.
David R. Graham (6bf7e4) — 11/6/2009 @ 1:23 amPolitical Correctness is simply a polite term for lies inspired by malice.
Lee (9b245d) — 11/6/2009 @ 1:47 amdavid, I agree with a lot of your points, but I disagree with many others.
When terrorism works… it’s because we LET it work. For the USA to cut ties with the Saudis would have been to let terrorism work. That was perhaps the primary goal of 9/11, and why that effort was a failure. The other intent, was obviously to destablize our economy. Bush’s ability to get the American people somewhat confident in doing business again is, to me, one of the greatest victories in the GWOT. When it comes to the Saudis (and oil in general), it is critical that our nation become energy independent. Until then, we must be sweet to some of these governments.
Now, he should have made a more forceful argument that we are in a long term, and challenging war. But when we look back in hindsight, it is clear he had tremendous difficulty getting public support for Iraq. He compromised in many ways, and he probably had to if we were to win in Iraq. did bush have the political capital to get our nation drilling for oil, building 300 nuclear power plants, and investing in the all kinds of other energy sources? I think he did… so I find some fault with him. Energy is one of the major battlefields in the GWOT.
It is disturbing that this attack occurred. I am not going to blame Obama for it, but the feds had some warning, and had some kind of investigation. It was bound to happen again, but the US had been largely free of terrorism since 9/11, thanks to tremendously good work and luck. I am sure a lot of people are learning their lesson.
David, you are 100% right about how sick it will be when people blame the troops. I’ve seen old canards about how our forces are full of insane suicidal future hobos, and it’s very unfair. They have real problems and need great support, but it’s not a broken army.
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:26 am[…] as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and here. Posted in: Islam, War Printer Friendly comments (43) trackbacks […]
Michelle Malkin » The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude (e2f069) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:26 amThe military, I can tell you, is sick and tired of these little mini-jihads being written off as PTSD or “not terror-related”. There have been quite a few more that have not received wide publicity – individual service members who are muslims or muslim converts going turncoat is a known problem, and no amount of BS from the media is going to keep covering it up at this point.
Service members have their own social networking infrastructure; this guy was a known islamic extremist, and the shooting is a terror attack, period, end of story.
We need to drop the political correctness pretext, pay more attention to muslims and converts in our ranks, and END the insanity of military installations where no one actually has access to any weapons. Servicemembers know damn well that a post is pretty much the perfect active-shooter target – they’re virtually gun-free zones, often even at the front gates.
wtf (62d9b3) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:27 amDustin, not sure I can follow you on the points you make. They appear sane enough and I understand them, even sympathize, however, something is missing, a self-integrating center.
Something along these lines: wartime exceptions to our values are unwarranted because wartime intends to protect those values. In SWPA, MacArthur had this discussion with his Chief of Staff, LTG Sutherland, who advocated that dictatorship supplant democracy in wartime. MacArthur’s response in essence (I can’t find it online): we fight for the values of democracy, not for a type of government.
John Hitchcock: http://bit.ly/4bWpaB
David R. Graham (6bf7e4) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:36 amwtf, it is time for our military to start arming Unit Police troops. Make it another red cycle detail.
I did not know that this Muslim-quitting was a common problem, but I’m not surprised that the Army would not publicize the problem. I do not have a problem with a Muslim quitting on his service obligations… just get him out of there. I’ve seen a couple of examples of people get nice bonuses or college help and then shrink back when they are expected to do their duty, but that’s a lot different from saying you can’t fight our nation’s enemies because you like their religion a lot.
I keep wondering why the Army said he was dead. Was there some kind of covert interrogation program that was overruled at a higher level? Was this an effort to weed out his assistants? That the world thought he was dead for hours is a pretty big deal. Someone was up to something.
You know, if this guy was conscious, just showing him that MSNBC, CNN, and FNC all say he was dead would be pretty intimidating. We know the guy is a complete coward.
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The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude - INGunOwners (731ef0) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:48 amDavid, no sweat. I agree that we are fighting for basic principles, but these principles are not a death pact. I’m not asking to round up Iranians and Saudis or Muslims, or exclude them from military service. But we are very very tolerant of people who cross the line, and that’s a problem we can solve while remaining a great nation of freedoms.
Nothing in the constitution is absolute. You don’t REALLY have full freedom of speech, or the right to own bear any arm. We don’t really want those rights to be unrestricted. There are mosques and groups in this country that go beyond preaching their religion and openly advocate harming our people.
Anyway, you’re right that I’m confused on this.
Dustin (bb61e3) — 11/6/2009 @ 2:53 amIf you’re actually referring to my defense of our relationship with the Saudis, David, I do think we are already doing all we can to promote democracy in the middle east be realistically working on one or two countries at a time.
The Saudis are tough evil to avoid. It’s a good argument for drilling and building power plants so that we can be a prosperous nation without the resources of the Middle East, at least for a few generations as these countries are pushed into the free world.
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Alphecca » Fort Hood and the Islamic Killer (2b5202) — 11/6/2009 @ 3:13 amAs far as the Big Media is concerned, there still may be a little boy floating around the globe in a helium balloon.
Trust by verify my ass. Don’t trust, but verify is more like it.
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dispatches from TJICistan » Blog Archive » MSM suppressing the Muslims-vs-America narrative of the Fort Hood massacre (surprise!) (8b18fa) — 11/6/2009 @ 4:30 amGood work, Patterico! The guy has obviously committed treason according to the definition in the Constitution. Yer still wrong on Jury Nullification, though. I do think it’s OK to exclude known mohammedans from juries.
Justthisguy (1ff798) — 11/6/2009 @ 4:31 amYou could make a very similar comparison between Hot Air & Murdoch’s WSJ article on the subject from this morning. Aside leaving out the fact that the commander of the base, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, said that this didn’t appear to be a terrorist act, I’m good with Allahpundit’s reporting of facts.
It may well turn out to be a terrorist act–probably by a guy who got some bad thinkin’ in his head, rather than by a sleeper agent of an organized terror cell–(it’s certainly shaping up that way, to me), but I’m not yet ready to discount other possibilities, including his being scared or PTSD’ed out by the injuries and ailments he’s been treating for the last several years, and the fact that he was going to be serving in a place where many of those patients received those injuries.
While I’m good with Hot Air’s recitation of facts, not every Con/NeoCon blog has done quite as well at sticking to facts, rather than conjecture and conclusion-jumping, based primarily on the name & religion of the likely assailant. While Hasan’s warped ideas about his faith are a plausible motive (& the most likely one, based on what I know up to now), it’s far from the forgone conclusion that Ms. Gellar & her echoing minions are selling it as, and appear to want it to be…
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Have the events of this week weakened the resolve of the forces to fight on in Afghanistan ? « BBC World Have Your Say (2b7e85) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:03 amReally, do they really need to point out that the guy is a muzzie?
Jake (16bd8b) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:20 amMalik Nadal Hasan. His name speaks for itself.
The American people are dumb, but they’re not that dumb. All they have to do is hear the name.
Just like they know that K’aunté Randarious Jefferson is not a white guy.
Time and time and time again we have seen such examples of sudden Jihad syndrome. The lone male muslim (capital left off) who kills people by running them over in South Carolina, shooting them in Seattle, killing his wife in Buffalo, killing daughters in Hamilton, Ontario. The list goes on and on.
It is funny how so many other religions just don’t do this.
Yet how does the MSM play it? Oh, he was abused. Oh, his religion was not respected. Oh, he had ptsd, Oh, he was under stress. Or, the case of the flying Imams.
But if I went out and killed a bunch of Muslims, as a white male who lives in NY and there on 911, flies frequently to Washington, my legitimate concerns regarding Islamic violence, my wish to fight for free speech, fight for the rights of gay men in the Middle East, fight for the rights of women the world over WOULD NOT MEAN JACK!
None of it would matter, I’d just be a white racist.
Funnily enough, it was whites who stopped the KKK.
It was white people who stopped slavery, which by the way was re-introduced to the West via Muslim slave traders and Dutch shipping.
And it will be white people, with the aid of non-muslims every where who will stop islam.
And if anyone wants to know about islamic violence, just ask a Hindu who has lived in India.
jack (e383ed) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:30 amAs I read Major Hasan’s alleged comment, from update #2, something jumped out at me: the Major went through four years of undergraduate school, then six years of medical training, but this comment was written by someone with all the grammar and erudition of a seventh grader. He may be nuts, but he surely isn’t stupid, and I have to wonder if the comment was really his.
The grammatical Dana (474dfc) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:44 amI am beginning to think this could be a well orchestrated terrorist attack on America. The enemy may have insinuated one of their own in the army. Now that’s scary….
The Emperor (82e13a) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:49 am[…] as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and […]
The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude « Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian (5381c6) — 11/6/2009 @ 5:50 amThe Empty Roar
The picture you get from his brother is he wanted to serve in the military but not go to any war where he was killing his fellow muslims. yeah, i know, crazy, but there you go.
He signed up pre-9-11, and basically fought and cajolled his way out of every deployment until the latest where apparently he was really going to go.
I think he should be sentenced to life… on the electric chair, getting a painful but not deadly shock, with two of the terminals attached to his nards.
A.W. (e7d72e) — 11/6/2009 @ 6:05 amNews media MUST use the word “alleged” until the accused has been found guilty. Similarly, even if the accused has confessed, they must use some such term as “self-confessed”, and “According to his own confession…” This is entirely to avoid tainting any potential jury or otherwise causing a mis-trial. Live with it.
Comment by Wayne Richards — 11/5/2009 @ 10:43 pm
Nonsense. Use of “Alleged” has nothing to do with tainting a jury, and everything to due with libel defense.
Matador (e01f85) — 11/6/2009 @ 6:10 amum…i don’t know if the LAT story has been updated since you linked but it 1) explicitly identifies him as Muslim 2) mentions his bizarre / crazy internet postings.
Indeed it does . . . now. See my UPDATE x4. They flushed the original version down the memory hole.
Patterico (64318f) — 11/6/2009 @ 6:39 amDown the memory hole is their standard operating procedure, no?
BTW, just in case, I am going to denounce and condemn everyone for your aggressive and blatant racism and bigotry.
JD (6dce29) — 11/6/2009 @ 6:47 am“something jumped out at me: the Major went through four years of undergraduate school, then six years of medical training, but this comment was written by someone with all the grammar and erudition of a seventh grader. He may be nuts, but he surely isn’t stupid, and I have to wonder if the comment was really his.”
I’ve known a couple of psychologists who claimed extensive educations from “the best” schools who couldn’t string together a sentence (or a chain of logical reasoning) at the seventh-grade level. Education is no guarantee of teh smartness.
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Complete Coverage Of The Fort Hood Shooting. 20 + Videos. Dozens Of Headlines. | (58550f) — 11/6/2009 @ 7:23 amwith two of the terminals attached to his nards.
Comment by A.W. — 11/6/2009 @ 6:05 am
The Emperor (82e13a) — 11/6/2009 @ 7:37 amEww….
““something jumped out at me: the Major went through four years of undergraduate school, then six years of medical training, but this comment was written by someone with all the grammar and erudition of a seventh grader. He may be nuts, but he surely isn’t stupid, and I have to wonder if the comment was really his.”
Uh, we just had a POTUS, Bachelors from Yale, Masters from Harvard, and flew advanced supersonic aircraft; good man. But he had more then a little trouble with the English language
Mike Giles (39c34b) — 11/6/2009 @ 7:46 amMike Giles – Bush was/is the stupidester person EVAH. Unlike Barcky, who is the smarterest person EVAH to read a teleprompter.
JD (6dce29) — 11/6/2009 @ 7:50 amBackstabber…
Well. I had planned to keep the Tale of the Tigers post at the top for a couple of days longer but yesterday’s Fort Hood, Texas murder spree perpetrated by Major Nidal Malik Hasan demands commentary—especially since I sort of……
baldilocks (cda54c) — 11/6/2009 @ 7:50 amAssociated Press is whitewashing, too – last night on startribune.com, I read a news story with the headline, “Soldiers say suspect shouted `Allahu Akbar!’ before shooting rampage that left 13 people dead”, at the following URL; http://www.startribune.com/nation/69363097.html … going to that URL now has a different story, with a new headline; “Neighbor: Fort Hood shooting suspect cleaned out his apartment days before deadly rampage”… if you do a Google search on the first headline, you’ll find a whole bunch of sites that use the AP feed, and they all have some sort of headline with the “allahu ackbar” comment in them; but click the link, and you’ll get the revised allah-free headline. One notable exception was found here, where the original story was still intact (as of 10:12AM Central); http://www.medicinehatnews.com/content/view/152812/67/
Hockey Bob (82211a) — 11/6/2009 @ 8:18 amI’m glad people are keeping tabs on this media circus – and it saddens me that yet another religious whackjob decides to make others suffer for his delusions. There is no such thing as a religion of peace.
Hasan is Muslim. That’s a weird coincidence … for some.
fdcol63 (9b68ac) — 11/6/2009 @ 8:34 am[…] wrong with that? Last night, right-wing blogger (and law professor) Glenn Reynolds promoted this media analysis from right-wing blogger (and Los Angeles Assistant District Attorney) Patterico regarding coverage […]
Shooting At Ft. Hood Army Base Kills 7, 12 wounded... - Page 6 - Gossip Rocks Forum (4d23bf) — 11/6/2009 @ 9:18 amI PRAY FOR ALL OF THE SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
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The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude - Page 6 - INGunOwners (731ef0) — 11/6/2009 @ 9:34 amDoes anyone know the number of men and women involved? How many dead and wounded of each? The “major” was a brave man, shooting at people he knew couldn’t shoot back. Am I supposed to not think this was a religeously based attack? Don’t jump to conclusions… The 911 killers weren’t extremist, they were just a bunch of misguided souls who wanted virgins — let’s give the ones that are left a day in court – in the USA, with OUR Constitutional Protections! The nuts are running the asylum. Gee, I’m sorry if I appear racist…
John (e9e0f4) — 11/6/2009 @ 9:42 am[…] III: Must read at Patterico – typical of the media’s coverage spin of this horrible event. Possibly related posts: […]
Prayers for Ft. Hood – UPDATED « Obi’s Sister (725c82) — 11/6/2009 @ 9:53 amHey it wasn’t like the soldiers who were murdered were abortionists. Then Obama would be serously troubled to the point of blabbing about it on teevee.
bandit (36701c) — 11/6/2009 @ 9:55 am[…] for motive, we don’t know yet. What has come out is Hasan has made pro-Islamist comments, including praising suicide bombers and being being happy about PFC William Long’s […]
Massacre at Fort Hood—The Enemy Within « Cynical Synapse (054690) — 11/6/2009 @ 10:53 amApparently, a Nidal Hasan, Uniformed Services University School of Medicine, was listed a one of the Task Force Event Participants in The George Washington University, Homeland Security Policy Institute’s “PROCEEDINGS REPORT OF THE HSPI PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TASK FORCE, April 2008-January 2009”
http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf
Neo (7830e6) — 11/6/2009 @ 11:01 amThe media has several times referred to the relatively high suicide rate at Fort Hood. Might someone ask them the extent to which the base’s own psychiatric services, as exemplified by Mr. Hassam’s tenure, contributed to that problem?
ras (caaeea) — 11/6/2009 @ 11:31 amras, That’s a great point. Our troops who needed help discussing their rage at those who killed their friends had to deal with someone who wanted to kill their friends… those who wanted to talk about their fear had to talk to a real coward. This man was unstable, and I can’t imagine anyone thought he was any good at helping soldiers deal with problems.
I didn’t think they were talking about Ft Hood’s relative suicide rate, but rather their sheer suicide rate. At least, that’s what the press tends to do when they talk about suicide in the Army.
but what really is pissing me off is this idea that soldiers actually run around calling Majors ‘Camel Jockey’ and harassing Muslims. That’s just not typical behavior. This Hasan easily could be lying about that happening, or at least changing the story greatly. A Major getting shit from soldiers? that just doesn’t happen! Getting called racial slurs from field grade officers? Pretty unlikely.
But getting harassed for telling US Soldiers that suicide bombers are neat, or that the US is the bad guy in the war effort? Yeah, that could happen. If Nidal said horrible things and brought anger on himself, I can totally see him lying about it, and saying it’s racism.
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The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude « BIJENKORF:beehive (ea1fd5) — 11/6/2009 @ 1:16 pmHaaaate speeeeech!
But seriously, P, I think you’re suffering PTSD from having covered the Dog Trainer for so long.
JB (041276) — 11/6/2009 @ 3:28 pmRalph Peters has some pointed comments.
SPQR (26be8b) — 11/6/2009 @ 3:39 pmYou beat me to it, SPQR.
DRJ (dff2ca) — 11/6/2009 @ 4:46 pmPatterico, you have been consistently awesome.
Thank you!
What I Think (96d759) — 11/6/2009 @ 6:03 pm[…] an apparently new and sporadic commentator at Patterico’s Pontifications (see side-bar), said the following: C-i-C said in “his” book that if the political winds turn ugly, as now appears the case, he […]
I Will Attack Obama Every Chance I Get « Truth Before Dishonor (fb05f5) — 11/6/2009 @ 10:06 pm[…] an apparently new and sporadic commentator at Patterico’s Pontifications (see side-bar), said the following: C-i-C said in “his” book that if the political winds turn ugly, as now appears the case, he […]
Common Sense Political Thought » Blog Archive » I Will Attack Obama Every Chance I Get (73d96f) — 11/6/2009 @ 10:16 pmDavid R. Graham, your declaration Re: Obama and Muslims is a non-starter. Upon looking at your link, I found plenty of context that shoots your declaration full of holes.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/6/2009 @ 10:42 pmComment 71: “… and second, both tend to exclude from their social circles people who are not members or closely connected with their professions. Isolation, yes, but also the creation of a closed intellectual and emotional hotbed. Comments?”
No. What it really is that we discover we have very little in common with the civilian world. It’s been like that since Viet Nam.
Jay Stevens
Jay Stevens (6ac69b) — 11/7/2009 @ 6:13 pmU.S. Army, ret.
I want to echo Jay Stevens’ remarks. They are very important in a tangential manner.
My daughter was going thru her indoor BCT graduation ceremony. Civilians were placing themselves directly in line of where all the previous graduating Soldiers were marching alone. It was obvious the civilians only cared about getting their picture of their “little soldier kid” and nothing about propriety or respect.
At the end of the ceremony, the civilians milled about in all the aisleways, preventing the Soldiers from getting where they needed to go. The COL got on the PA and explained that the Soldiers needed to get outside to form up to march to the location for the reception and could the civilians please make room for the Soldiers to get out. The civilian response? They didn’t even take the time to shut up to hear the PA, nor did they make room for the Soldiers to get out.
My daughter remarked (this is just completing BCT) that civilians are undisciplined, unruly, inconsiderate and self-centered. She had contempt for those civilians and I was ashamed to be among the civilian class, even though I used to wear a uniform.
If I were in uniform today, chances are I wouldn’t have much to do with idiot civilians either. And I felt more comfortable walking around at Fort Lost in the woods and Fort Hood than I have in my (blah blah) years in this rinky-dink town.
John Hitchcock (3fd153) — 11/7/2009 @ 6:38 pmhey, great comments by john hitchcock; typical of the narcissist strata of society that now seems to predominate in our (so-called) culture. Its all about me,me,me and mine 24/7. But on to Hasan.
mark mitchell (67d922) — 11/8/2009 @ 9:35 amThis ISLAMO-FASCIST TERRORIST apparently worshipped @ the same mosque, DAR AL-HIJRAH, as two of the 9-11 terrorists, in Virginia,and at the same time, 2001. Also, is it just a coincidence that Hasan shouted out “ALLAH IS GREAT” @ the same time he started his murdering? According to our fool-in-chief, yeah, probably. BOY, does this guy inspire confidence. Confidence that he’ll drag us into slavery if we let him. IMPEACH OBAMA’S ASS NOW!! There’s not a minute to waste. Because B. HUSSEIN OBAMABOT will do us in if WE DON’T ACT NOW!!—God Bless all–MARKRITE
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