[Guest post by DRJ]
It’s frightening to think people like Martin Lewis can vote, let alone influence others.
Don’t miss the comments.
UPDATE: Lewis’ bio lists him as British-born so he probably can’t vote!
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Maybe he’ll get ‘street cred’ with the huffies for this?
Lord Nazh© (899dce) — 8/25/2007 @ 2:50 pmMartin Maroon should be arrested and extradited for sedition.
Hazy (c36902) — 8/25/2007 @ 3:01 pmLord Nazh, at (1): quite the contrary. As of this writing, most of the commenters seem to think that would be tantamount to a military coup, not to mention illegal.
aphrael (9e8ccd) — 8/25/2007 @ 3:25 pmThrough open borders, the lefties want to turn America into a Latin American country. So why not have military coups just like Latin America!
Perfect Sense (b6ec8c) — 8/25/2007 @ 3:32 pmA quick perusal of the HP comments says that the idea has majority support in intent there, but that most (call it 2/3) of the supporters realize that tactically it would not succeed and therefore eschew it as impractical at this time.
Lewis himself is just another poser in a pissin’ match, upping the ante so as to outdo his cocoon-mates.
[Woo hoo, a new personal best for mixed metaphors in that last sentence! Double woo hoo!]
ras, surfing the links on the web (adf382) — 8/25/2007 @ 4:02 pmDon Dunphy: “Good afternoon. Wide World of Sports is in the little republic of San Marcos where we’re going to bring you a live, on the spot assassination. They’re going to kill the president of this lovely Latin American country and replace him with a military dictatorship. And everybody is about as excited and tense as can be. The weather on this Sunday afternoon is perfect; and if you’ve just joined us, we’ve seen a series of colorful riots that started with the traditional bombing of the American embassy – a ritual as old as the city itself.”
Howard Cosell: “This is tremendous, Don, just tremendous. The atmosphere heavy, uncertain, overtones of ugliness. A reminder, in a way, of how it was in March of 1964 at Miami Beach when Clay met Liston for the first time and nobody was certain how it would turn out. The crowd is tense; they’ve been here since ten this morning. And… and I think I see… the door beginning to open. El Presidente may be coming out. The door opens. It’s he… it’s El Presidente waving at the crowd. A shot rings out! He turns… he runs back toward the building, trying to get in. This crowd is going wild. He’s caught in a crossfire of bullets. And down! It’s over! It’s all over for El Presidente!”
horatio (55069c) — 8/25/2007 @ 4:04 pmJust impractical, the fact that the idea is completely unamerican seems not to penetrate very deeply.
Sheesh, those people really are nuts.
Robin Roberts (6c18fd) — 8/25/2007 @ 4:04 pmDo they even attempt to understand the idea of civilian control of the military? Douche nozzles.
JD (815fda) — 8/25/2007 @ 4:09 pmThey do, JD, as long s it’s their civilian controlling the military.
Like that guy who was at the 1992 Clinton inaguration bellyaching about the military jet flyover until someone said those are our jets now.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/25/2007 @ 4:29 pmWho wants to be the first to remind this guy that Bush isn’t an officer…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 8/25/2007 @ 8:34 pmWhat Lewis doesn’t understand about the UCMJ is that it is illegal to attempt to arrest or relieve from duty a superior officer who has not violated the same UCMJ he wants General Pace to use to arrest the President, or relieve him of duty. Since the President has not given an unlawful order, there is no case. He keeps quoting something about “officer and a Gentleman,” which means he is acting like a liberal-he has nothing to stand on, so, he tries to stand on “FEELINGS” about what a “Gentleman” should be, according to Lewis.
As a Marine, I resent his “joke.”
reff (f3109d) — 8/25/2007 @ 8:58 pmEspecially since judging from what I’ve seen of the Nutroots crowd, they have no idea how a gentleman (or lady) is supposed to behave…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 8/25/2007 @ 9:15 pmWho wants to be the first to remind this guy that Bush isn’t an officer…
Remind???
That would assume he knew this in the first place.
What Lewis doesn’t understand about the UCMJ is that it is illegal to attempt to arrest or relieve from duty a superior officer who has not violated the same UCMJ he wants General Pace to use to arrest the President, or relieve him of duty.
The only people I’ve met that think military officers would even consider such a thing…are those that don’t know any military officers.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/25/2007 @ 9:18 pmFND Prediction #2: When Can the Military Disobey the President?…
One of the central questions explored in my book is what to do with a president who violates the Constitution; when he in essence becomes a domestic enemy. The Founding Fathers provided the answer in the enlisted Oath of Office: protect the Constitutio…
FND Blog (72c8fd) — 8/25/2007 @ 11:09 pm@Paul
The bellyacher you allude to was actor Ron Silver.
DubiousD (9c2393) — 8/25/2007 @ 11:31 pmThanks, DubiousD. I couldn’t remember who the bellyacher was.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/26/2007 @ 3:45 amgive ron silver credit, he’s seeing things the right way now.
stevesturm (d3e296) — 8/26/2007 @ 4:39 amDidn’t Arianna Huffo and some other famous what’s his name writer personally call for The Peoples to rise up and riot out in the streets if they lost the 2006 election?
I recall reading a post about some banana republic approach to obtaining power.
That said, the Democrat Party is screwed by their own progressive left base if they do not bring the head of President George the Bush on a silver platter.
syn (7faf4d) — 8/26/2007 @ 5:17 amNewsflash for Lewis the raving moonbat: As members of the military we swore an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution, not the UCMJ. Secondly, this idiot totally misinterprets the articles he cited as an excuse for a military coup, although he claims that’s not what he means. What he wants is nothing less than an act of sedition. He can jagoff all he wants at the leftist wetdream of a coup, but it ain’t gonna happen. The war is legal, whether he likes it or not. Congress voted for approval; something Lewis convieniently forgets. If it’s an arrest of a President for illegal activities that trips his liberal trigger, he should have been screaming all through Clinton’s regime. That SOB used the Oval Office as a conduit for his own crime syndicate. Chinagate, Filegate, Travelgate…the lsit goes on. Clinton, Gore, Reno and Berger belong under Leavenworth.
SFCMAC (5dc280) — 8/26/2007 @ 6:52 amFrom Parameters, Winter 1992-93, pp. 2-20.
The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
CHARLES J. DUNLAP, JR.
The letter that follows takes us on a darkly imagined excursion into the future. A military coup has taken place in the United States–the year is 2012–and General Thomas E. T. Brutus, Commander-in-Chief of the Unified Armed Forces of the United States, now occupies the White House as permanent Military Plenipotentiary. His position has been ratified by a national referendum, though scattered disorders still prevail and arrests for acts of sedition are underway. A senior retired officer of the Unified Armed Forces, known here simply as Prisoner 222305759, is one of those arrested, having been convicted by court-martial for opposing the coup. Prior to his execution, he is able to smuggle out of prison a letter to an old War College classmate discussing the “Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.” In it, he argues that the coup was the outgrowth of trends visible as far back as 1992. These trends were the massive diversion of military forces to civilian uses, the monolithic unification of the armed forces, and the insularity of the military community. His letter survives and is here presented verbatim.
It goes without saying (I hope) that the coup scenario above is purely a literary device intended to dramatize my concern over certain contemporary developments affecting the armed forces, and is emphatically not a prediction. — The Author
Read more at http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/1992/dunlap.htm
Horatio (55069c) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:32 am.” So why not have military coups just like Latin America!”
Is that so far-fetched, Banana Republican?
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:56 am‘A website run by the neocon thinktank the Center for Security Policy (members include Frank Gaffney, Richard Perle and Doug Feith) has published (then removed) a piece calling for Bush to use his military powers to become “the first permanent president of America”” from Crooked Timber.
http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/1290/conservative-group-calls-bush
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 8:59 amSemanticleo
Given that the word “neocon” has taken on an anti-Semitic connotation, are you telling us you’re an anti-Semite? Inquiring minds want to know
Horatio (55069c) — 8/26/2007 @ 9:07 amAmazing how you just couldn’t write “thinktank”
Hornblower;
I didn’t write it.
Please engage the medulla, at bare minimum
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 9:12 amOK -but you obviously found it compelling enough to quote it
Horatio (55069c) — 8/26/2007 @ 9:41 amDo you approve of the phrasing?
“Semantically Devoid of Meaning”
(2 can play that game)
After following the link you provided the word “neocon” was nowhere to be found in the article, so you must have inserted it. Neither was there a reference to “Crooked Timber”
Here is the paragraph you ostensibly quoted:
So, I ask again – are you an anti-Semite? Are the “neocons” the “Evil Joooos”?
At least have some honesty about what you wrote. Take credit for it. Be proud. Stand up and be a “Leo”
Horatio (55069c) — 8/26/2007 @ 10:08 am“So, I ask again – are you an anti-Semite? Are the “neocons” the “Evil Joooos'”
To put that another way: “When did you stop beating your wife?”
And here’s what “from crooked timber” refers to.
Man this place is in bad shape
AF (e7839e) — 8/26/2007 @ 10:17 amOK – so you found the correct link – this was not what Semantically Devoid Of Meaning linked to. At the very least his medulla is not engaged.
Horatio (55069c) — 8/26/2007 @ 10:22 amAnd once again, if we’re going to discuss the topic, why the pejoratives?
I thought this thread was about typical deranged moonbats on Huffnpuff. Glenn Greenwald is the internet policeman, not Patterico. Avoid Semen and AF’s attempts to get you to take responsibility for what is written elsewhere.
daleyrocks (906622) — 8/26/2007 @ 10:28 amMartin Lewis has penis envy.
Vermont Neighbor (b3bbb4) — 8/26/2007 @ 1:04 pmAvoid Semen and AF’s attempts to get you to take responsibility for what is written elsewhere.
They learned that trick with Greenwald. As I remember, when Greenwald tried it with Patterico, our host gutted him like a fish.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/26/2007 @ 1:35 pm‘A website run by the neocon thinktank the Center for Security Policy (members include Frank Gaffney, Richard Perle and Doug Feith) has published (then removed) a piece calling for Bush to use his military powers to become “the first permanent president of America”” from Crooked Timber.
That’s a serious charge for anyone to make, Miss SemenCleo Devoid of Facts, Logic, Ethics or Reason, so back it up. Where’s the screencaps of the article?
I can select the text, which means it was typeset, if not simply cut and pasted. Since they have the ‘full text’ after it was ‘taken down’, where’s the screencaps proving it came from that ‘right-wing think tank?’ How do we know one of their creative fantasizers didn’t simply make it up?
Without any proof, you, AF and everyone associated with it are asking us to believe this story simply on your say-so. Unlike Lewis’s piece, which is there at the HuffPo for all to see.
With your subterranean level of credibility, taking your say-so on blind faith ain’t gonna happen.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/26/2007 @ 1:55 pmIf you think I’m calling you liars, you’re damn right.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/26/2007 @ 1:56 pmMaybe we could revoke his Green Card and send his ass packing back to the UK.
Hazy (d671ab) — 8/26/2007 @ 2:19 pmRegardless of the origins of the piece, it obviously does not represent the policies of the any of the groups AF seeks to link to it.
The dishonesty of Semanticleo and AF only continues.
Robin Roberts (6c18fd) — 8/26/2007 @ 2:53 pmQ: Even if an article had been posted, regardless of what or why or even if it was just something done by \ a hacker … what does that have to do w/the Huffpo’s call for a coup?
A: Nothing, the Left knows it’s been caught w/its pants down and is looking for a distraction.
Nice of them to confirm it, tho.
ras (adf382) — 8/26/2007 @ 3:01 pmp.s. Guys,
Don’t feed the trolls. They are here to inflame, not discuss, cuz that’s how little kids learn the limits.
The standard correct reply to all trollish commentary is, as always: “Ignoring trollish behavior.”
ras (adf382) — 8/26/2007 @ 3:03 pmSemanticleo, thank you for that example of yet another blatant leftist lie. The post itself ends by noting that the site where this article appeared removed the article and everything else by the author from their site. Yet the title of the post is “Conservative Group Calls for Bush Dictatorship” (emphasis mine). How could a group more thoroughly repudiate the views of one of its members?
Saying that the group called for this is an out-and-out lie, obvious to any thinking person who reads the article. But the left doesn’t seem to care about being caught in such blatant lies over and over again. I wonder why not? Maybe because they know that they have nothing else to offer?
Doc Rampage (ebfd7a) — 8/26/2007 @ 3:23 pmDoc Rampage, eh? That’s good,
Let’s start with a screenshot of the deleted story.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_v63oTveUEGI/Rs-zwBUvUpI/AAAAAAAACiE/gkzvLnOc0z8/s1600-h/fsm.jpg
(This is not to say the doc is genuine, hacker fraud, or what? What can be said is that was either;
1) Meant as satire, or
2) Fraud
3.) Genuine.
What we know for sure is that it was deleted, and they aren’t talking about it.
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 3:58 pmSemanticleo,
Phillip Atkinson sounds as looney as Martin Lewis, which is interesting because Atkinson’s bio says he is also British. Maybe it’s the water, ya think?
DRJ (bfe07e) — 8/26/2007 @ 4:28 pmWhat we know is that it isn’t what you claim it is. The group’s position.
Your dishonesty continues.
Robin Roberts (6c18fd) — 8/26/2007 @ 4:28 pmSemanticleo,
Do you think The Huffington Post should disavow or take down the Martin Lewis’ article? As far as I can tell, they haven’t done either.
DRJ (bfe07e) — 8/26/2007 @ 4:43 pmDRJ;
Can’t find him anywhere. Link?
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 6:05 pmSemanticleo,
No comprende. Is it Lewis you can’t find or Atkinson? The Lewis bio is at the Huffington Post link in my original post (above). The Atkinson bio is at the bottom of your link (as is, by the way, a statement by the website that all opinions are those of the author and not the organization).
DRJ (bfe07e) — 8/26/2007 @ 6:26 pmDRJ – Being completely incomprehensible is one of Semen’s tricks.
JD (815fda) — 8/26/2007 @ 6:36 pmObviously, I do not think a military coup from ANY quarter has a place in the present system.
Why do you feel you had to ask?
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:10 pmI don’t support censhorship, for any quarter.
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:11 pmSemanticleo,
If your comment #46 is directed at me, and I think it is, my question in #44 was whether you wanted a link for Lewis or Atkinson because I wasn’t clear to whom you were referring. It didn’t occur to me at the time but, on further reflection, it could be that you were responding to my earlier question in comment #42 asking whether the Huffington Post had disavowed Lewis’ article. If so, I asked that question because I did not know the answer and because it seems appropriate for both websites to disavow these posts.
DRJ (bfe07e) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:29 pmDRJ – Now, surely, that clears things up. LOL
That is quite a trick, to say things that are so incomprehensible, so as to later be able to take any side of the argument (provided the side of the argument is contrary to anything a Republican may believe) and retain the ability to claim some type of intellectual consistency.
JD (815fda) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:31 pmSemencleo – Should the HP disavow the subject article. Yes or no. Simple response. You can do it.
JD (815fda) — 8/26/2007 @ 7:33 pmDRJ;
I don’t like censorship in any form, but I think it irresponsible to imply an endorsement of such ideas, whether it is passive or active. If the FSM or HP pieces were meant as; ‘tongue-in-cheek’ or satire, it is difficult to justify such intentions, considering the mood of the country, as well as the pervasively distrustful atmosphere therein.
A sidebar to each article (attached to the undeleted original) with a boiler-plate disclaimer, would probably be all that needed to be said. Hope that’s clear.
Semanticleo (4741c2) — 8/27/2007 @ 5:29 amNow he claims that it was satire, and cites Swift and Twain as ancestors.
He missed the point, I think, in that satire is supposed to be funny.
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Neocon News » Worthy of Note on August 27, 2007 (aaa2c9) — 8/27/2007 @ 9:14 amSemanticleo #51,
I agree and, FWIW, I don’t think either author was kidding although they may want us to think they were now.
DRJ (bfe07e) — 8/27/2007 @ 9:26 amI loved his comment that it was the impeachment of President Clinton that really was a coup disguised as a legal action.
Why does he want to circumvent the Legislative Branch’s constitutional role (which includes making rules for the government and regulation of the land and navel forces)? I suppose it’s easier to move one military officer than it is to corral a squabbling, factious House.
So, he may deny to high heaven that what he’s asking for is a coup, but, effectively, there is little difference between the two.
Oh, he’s also getting pwnd by recitation of basic facts from people who, allegedly, agree with his end goal: the removal of Bush from office.
Fritz (d62210) — 8/27/2007 @ 10:29 amNow it’s satire.
Me too. You’re not supposed to agree with a satirical piece.
Fritz (d62210) — 8/27/2007 @ 12:54 pmOh gee whiz. Not the old “I wrote it as satire” defense.
Paul (09c70a) — 8/27/2007 @ 2:07 pm