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New York Times Gives Trump a Taste of That Highly Addictive Media Praise

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 2:30 pm

The New York Times is looking to groom their next chump, with a piece titled Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule. The piece dangles the possibility of media approval in front of Trump like a carrot on a stick tied to the head of a donkey:

Now in the White House, President Trump demonstrated this past week that he still imagines himself a solitary cowboy as he abandoned Republican congressional leaders to forge a short-term fiscal deal with Democrats. Although elected as a Republican last year, Mr. Trump has shown in the nearly eight months in office that he is, in many ways, the first independent to hold the presidency since the advent of the current two-party system around the time of the Civil War.

He’s more presidential than anyone, except maybe Abraham Lincoln! The tool who wrote this, Peter Baker, no doubt had that absurd Trump claim in mind when he penned that line. Baker continues to ladle on the praise for Trump’s independence:

In recent weeks, he has quarreled more with fellow Republicans than with the opposition, blasting congressional leaders on Twitter, ousting former party officials in his White House, embracing primary challenges to incumbent lawmakers who defied him and blaming Republican figures for not advancing his policy agenda. On Friday, he addressed discontent about his approach with a Twitter post that started, “Republicans, sorry,” as if he were not one of them, and said party leaders had a “death wish.”

Yesterday I explained (adding my voice to a chorus of others) that Trump is very likely at the beginning of a bromance — not with Chuck Schumer, but with the media. The lure of Strange New Respect is a siren song that cannot be resisted by any aging narcissistic white man who pretends to be conservative but actually leans left in many ways. As I said:

Trump is a media junkie, and he mainlines coverage with his remote. . . . [He] really, really loves good media coverage. And the best way to get it is to tack left.

Just ask Anthony Kennedy. Once you get a dose of that sweet, sweet media approval, you never go back.

As you can see from the above quotes, the folks at The Times are not subtle about what they’re doing. They don’t have to be. They were about as blatantly obvious as they could be with Anthony Kennedy, and it worked like a charm.

But the folks at The Times aren’t dumb. They make clear that the approval is conditional. Keep working with Chuck and Nancy, and we’ll continue to applaud. Pull a fast one, and the Strange New Respect gets it:

None of which means that Mr. Trump has suddenly transformed himself into a center-hugging moderate. More situational than ideological — critics would say opportunist — Mr. Trump adjusts to the moment, and his temporary alignment with Democrats could easily unravel tomorrow. The deal he cut, after all, merely postponed a fight over spending and debt for three months. It did not resolve any substantive disagreements.

If this proves to be a blip, Mr. President, we’ll call you an opportunist. But if you continue to play ball . . . your reputation in the history books as an admirable voice of independence will be secure.

So, Mr. Trump. What’s it going to be?

Here’s how I see this story in my mind’s eye, presented in the form of a short one-act play.

SCENE: A city sidewalk. Donald Trump is walking down the street, approaching a man in an overcoat. The man with the overcoat is oddly wearing a fedora with a giant card that reads in block letters: “MEDIA.”

MEDIA: [In a low, conspiratorial voice:] Pssst! Hey, Trump! Come over here! [Opens overcoat.] I got a little of what you want here. [Voice lowers to a whisper.] Eternal media adoration.

TRUMP: [Starts to reach towards overcoat.]

MEDIA: [Wagging finger.] Uh-uh! Just a taste. All you get is just a taste . . . today.

TRUMP: How do I get it forever?

MEDIA: [Horns sprout from head, knocking the fedora off. Barbed tail slinks out behind him as he produces a contract. At the top is a title: “ETERNAL LEFTISM.”] You get the best deal we offer. Usually we ask for a soul, but . . . well, anyway, never mind. Trust me, this is nothing you didn’t want to do all your life anyway. [Shoves contract forward.]

TRUMP: Where do I sign?

Only one thing counts in this life: Get them to sign on the line which is dotted. You hear me?

Trump fancies himself to be a guy who makes “great deals.” I fear he is on the verge of making a deal with the media: leftism in exchange for praise.

The con man is getting conned. But the real victim of this particular con is not Trump. It’s you and me.

[RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

278 Responses to “New York Times Gives Trump a Taste of That Highly Addictive Media Praise”

  1. everyone has the cart before the horse to where the horse is standing there thinking oh my goodness these people have it all backwards

    it’s poop-lick paul and sleazy mitch what upended the normal course of business

    all they do is go on vacation and when they’re in washington they slow-walk everything

    now as a consequence their relevance is not particularly obvious to anyone

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. @1. Yes, yes, yes, Mister Feet. Turtle Mitch, Lyin’ Ryan, green eggs and Ted… it goes back far, far, far, to Figgie-za-Newt and beyond; they rode Mommie Nancy’s ‘just say no’ a decade or two too long.


    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. My that’s a nice Strange New Respect you have…

    Steve D (9e97f6)

  4. yes yes President Trump knocked it out of the park and had the legislation we needed for Texas and the debt ceiling quick quick quick as a bunny?

    nothing’s happened that fast in congress since sleazy mitch’s pig wife’s confirmation vote

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Josh Barro pretty much figured it out earlier this week:

    Trump may have hit on an insight: If Republican voters will like him no matter what, he can become popular by doing whatever Democrats want.

    Dave (445e97)

  6. Wishful thinking much as some of the other examples mentioned here:

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. I wish someone had warned us about this.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  8. We still don’t know what great deal, trump supposedly gave chuck and Nancy, why is that you think.

    narciso (d1f714)

  9. We still don’t know what great deal, trump supposedly gave chuck and Nancy, why is that you think.

    the only thing what seems to be a significant policy development is the suggestion that we might get rid of these silly debt ceiling theatrics altogether

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  10. Although I really don’t see it the way that Patterico and the Times do.

    What I see is that Trump is tired of the GOP in Congress thwarting his initiatives, as well as the full-court press from the Dems. In this move with the debt limit he is saying to the Dem center: you can get something from me if you come to the table, and to the GOP Right: I can compromise with them if you keep blocking all my deals.

    Look for Ryan’s ACA fix to return, tilted Left.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  11. is there any real reason Paul Ryan can’t just go away somewhere

    he’s just being a naked asshole anymore

    there’s no pretense about it

    he’s just not super-interested in getting anything accomplished

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. Now Stephen Boyd who used to work for equifax recipient Martha ruby, stating as policy that they went going after learner was more concerning.

    narciso (d1f714)

  13. No i thinks Norwegian blue, waiting to voom

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. Why not romulans:

    Its already a selective audience

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. Why not romulans:

    Klingons are “instinctual” like our Dear Leader.

    Dave (445e97)

  16. all the True Conservative Voices are saying, “oh for the love of poop we can’t get rid of the debt ceiling it is so lovely!”

    and then poop-lick paul sez:

    “Personally, I think the debt limit and the credit markets, the longer the better for the stability of the credit markets, that’s my strong opinion,” Ryan said Thursday, expressing his desire for a longer-term debt ceiling solution. “But [Trump] was interested in making sure this was a bipartisan moment while we responded to those hurricanes.”

    and i don’t even understand

    it’s all completely opaque except for inside poop-lick paul’s head i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. They hired a writing staff that does know anything about klingons, now the vilcans reenterpride were expansionist back in 22nd century

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. it’s almost as painful as Mr. Robot season 2

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  19. Why not romulans?

    The Romulans are for Bernie.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  20. Using fake news as an inspiration:

    narciso (d1f714)

  21. Would they behave differently in a 28 day scenario

    narciso (d1f714)

  22. Democrats fervently believe there are forests filled with money trees. Republicans and Trump need to be the adults in this mess that’s been years in the making and start the nation on the long slog to fiscal responsibility, it surely will not be the Democrats. This kicking the crisis down the road for our children to deal with nonsense must stop.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. TRUMP: Where do I sign?

    [From out of nowhere, a tall, statuesque blond woman, wearing a tacky knock-off of a world-famous designer’s dress, appears. She throws her arms around TRUMP, and smothers him with kisses. MEDIA momentarily averts his gaze and pretends to check his phone for messages, with a sly, knowing grin on his face.]

    IVANKA: (Squealing) Ooh daddy, I knew you could do it! You’ve made me the happiest little girl anywhere!

    Dave (445e97)

  24. Peter baker is an nearest, his balanced zaohid tome, era of a sun king, attests to that.

    narciso (d1f714)

  25. Earnest, zaphod (Obama) is cinsquently trump must be dothraki.

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. OT
    I am btw totally unfamiliar with Mr Mobley, Mr Halls, or the festival.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  27. Regarding the nonsense at #16:

    Ryan was speaking about the extension of the debt ceiling. He was not asked, and was not talking about, doing away with the debt ceiling.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  28. but the force of his logics more than implies that the debt limit process is inherently risky and destabilizing

    there’s simply no other interpretation and i tell you why that matters

    the dogma what adheres to this idea that the debt limit is an effective safeguard of some kind – it wants for updating to reflect reality

    that reality being that the odious harvardtrash mole-woman at the fed – all of her authority could be usurped in a cascade triggered the moment the solvency of the united states is perceived as being questionable

    and given that the solvency of the united states is indeed very, very questionable, maintaining a catalyst for a cascade what might drastically re-price US borrowing costs isn’t a good idea anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  29. Conservatives then: Trump is crap and everything he proposes is crap. We’ll stand for our Priuncipled Conservative™ values! He needs to kiss our ring!

    Conservatives now: Trump has betrayed us by working with Democrats.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  30. That is quite a word picture of Janet yellen, pikachu, between greesnpan and bernanke i gave a better view of classical liberalism

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. The Debt Limit Ceiling is a pretend-thing. If Congress passed balanced budgets, or at least balanced continuing resolutions, the Debt Limit would be unnecessary. But they don’t, so they invent a “limit” — that they always raise — so they can tell the3 public that deficit spending isn’t that bad.

    It’s kind of like a drunk who sets out to limit his drinks. He always raises the limit, then he forgets about it entirely. It’s a lie, and pretending it is some kind of fiscal prudence is another lie.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  32. a better view of classical liberalism

    this is such a moving target anymore

    the debt involves abstruse logarithmic mischief (for some reason it keeps going up faster and faster)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. The Debt Limit Ceiling is a pretend-thing.

    yes yes and given all the moving pieces on the board

    the vagaries of politics

    it seems to me that over time there’s at least an equally likely chance that congress might refuse a rise in the debt ceiling unless MORE spending were approved as it is that congress would refuse a rise in the debt limit unless spending were constrained


    we can see quite clearly from the exponentially increasing debt that the debt limit mechanism is ineffective at best a complete and utter chimera at worst

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  34. oops

    and *an* utter chimera at worst i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  35. Look on the bright side.
    At least Trump is no longer thinking soveriegn default is a good thing.

    kishnevi (704a68)

  36. my sense is it’s poop-lick paul what would rather see the US default if the alternative is building a border wall

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. R.I.P. Jerry Pournelle, SF writer (“Lucifer’s Hammer”, “Jannissaries”) and longtime columnist for BYTE. September 8, in his sleep at 84, after returning from a Con with a cold.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  38. speaking of poop-lick tonight i tried “Arak Haddad Mastic”

    it’s from Jordan i think

    tried it just by itself in a cordial


    couldn’t finish it

    only hints of anise which helped its cause a bit – the keyword here is mastic, which imparts a certain wintergreeny pineyness

    but cloying and joyless all the same

    like drinking something off grandma’s perfume tray

    god love her

    but this page suggests you can make a slapdash caipirinha of it, and I’d guess a mastic is a better candidate for that than an arak what’s more anise-forward

    i think i’ll give that a shot sometime

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. Conservatives then: Trump is crap and everything he proposes is crap. We’ll stand for our Priuncipled Conservative™ values! He needs to kiss our ring!

    Conservatives now: Trump has betrayed us by working with Democrats.

    …thus proving that Trump is crap and everything he proposes is crap.

    Not sure I follow your point.

    Dave (445e97)

  40. They, the GOP pezzonovantes, had their chance at the convention. They didn’t take it. That’s when they let us down.

    nk (9651fb)

  41. Trump and the republican party deserve each other

    mg (31009b)

  42. Amy Madigan was featured in Playboy Magazine in the early 70’s, wearing only jelly, to promote her music band, Jelly.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  43. the filthy chinesers say they’ll use force to make mighty attacking motion on us if we put down their rabid noko dog

    Dirty China has also told administration officials that if the U.S. strikes North Korea first, Beijing would back Pyongyang, a senior military official said.

    what say you, ladyboy James Mattis?

    are you man enough to stare down the chineser filth and use your fancy overpriced US military resources to act in the national interest of the United States of America?

    i don’t think you are

    i think you’re a dancey prancey piffle-poof what likes lacy undies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. You mean those “filthy chinesers” that Donald Trump promised to declare as currency manipulators on “day one”? But still hasn’t?

    I guess he’s been too busy playing golf. Priorities, you know.

    Dave (445e97)

  45. his priorities are what they are

    and yet he’s only roundabout 7000% more productive than the poop-lick paul Congress

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  46. I remember when conservatives burned an effigy of Reagan after he made deals with Tip O’Neill.

    I know, I know — the Dems controlled the House under O’Neill, and Reagan had to make deals with him to get anything done.

    Now the GOP has control. And to prove it they repealed Obamacare last month.


    But they have control.

    So do they have the votes or don’t they?

    You know who had the votes on the debt ceiling issue? Whoever raised the stakes enough with federal aid to Harvey victims.

    That’s who had the votes.

    You know who told McConnell he couldn’t strip the debt ceiling deal out of the Senate version of the bill — after all, as Majority Leader no legislation reaches the Senate floor without his say-so — it was the members of his GOP caucus who told him he couldn’t strip the debt ceiling limit out of the bill.

    No one was going to fail to deliver aid to Texas.

    Yeah — but its all on Trump.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  47. While parts of Texas are still submerged from the historic flooding wrought by Hurricane Harvey, four members of Congress who represent the state voted against sending it billions in federal disaster aid.

    GOP Reps. Joe Barton, Jeb Hensarling, Sam Johnson and Mac Thornberry all voted no on a $15.25 billion aid package Friday that is on its way to President Trump’s desk. Much of that money will boost federal emergency responders and help small businesses and homeowners rebuild. Some of it could go to victims of Hurricane Irma, which is barreling toward Florida this weekend.

    These lawmakers say they didn’t like what the Harvey aid was packaged with: a three-month lift of the debt ceiling to let the U.S. Treasury borrow more money and a short-term budget that basically extends last year’s budget for another three months.


    happyfeet (28a91b)

  48. The media and the Democrats–but I repeat myself–were stupid not to have praised Trump from day one. They were so busy with their #Resistance histrionics. They must be kicking themselves. But tribe and purity is more important to them than results, hence the continued losses at all levels of government and increasing Bernification.

    And the Republican party has been stupid. Control of both houses of Congress, a President of the same party, and a Supreme Court no worse than it was four years ago.

    But the issue there is that Republican != conservative (certainly != libertarian), and never really has. President Ted Cruz couldn’t have got Obamacare repealed either, with the Congress we have now. National Review wants to legalize the Dreamers, you can’t blame Trump for that. He has always been the symptom, he’s not the disease.

    Frederick (80401a)

  49. and yet he’s only roundabout 7000% more productive than the poop-lick paul Congress

    Trump is certainly more productive at sucking up to countries like China who are helping North Korea.

    Nobody from congress has had the Chinese guy over to their house, but Trump has.

    What a commie traitor.

    Dave (445e97)

  50. 41, that was the price Kasich paid for expanding the Walker crusade to cover first responders and tradesmen ( Ohio’s SB 5). No way the perps would have made it out of Gund Arena alive and recognizeable. Look at how Cruz almost got lynched.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  51. Time to fly over the fly over ‘deciders ‘

    “LOS ANGELES — California is pushing forward with a plan to change the state’s primary date from June to March, a move that could scramble the 2020 presidential nominating contest and swing the early weight of the campaign to the west.

    If adopted by the legislature this week — as is widely expected — and signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown, the early primary would allocate California’s massive haul of delegates just after the nation’s first contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.”

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  52. I have a suggestion.

    One commenter now regularly accounts for anywhere between one-third and one-fifth of all comments on most posts. Most of those comments are about poopy-this and tranny-that.

    Perhaps instead of making everyone who objects to this commenter have to wade through all that filth in their attempts to read and engage other commenters here, our host and his co-bloggers could put up a new post every two or three days just for that commenter and the people who want to engage with him, so the rest of us wouldn’t have to.

    Beldar (fa637a)


    Does this mean that Trump is finally going to pivot to the center and become a bipartisan deal maker? Is he is finally going to reveal himself as a pragmatic centrist or even a New York City liberal? Is he is going to start appointing centrist judges? Is he is going to stop dismantling as many Obama-era regulations as he can find?

    No, no, no, and no.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  54. S’ok Beldar. We won’t put you on the small bus.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  55. TRUMP: To create prosperity at home we’ll be discussing our plan for dramatic tax cuts and tax reform. And I think now with what’s happened with the hurricane, I’m gonna ask for a speed up. I wanted a speed up any way, but now we need it even more so. So we need to simplify the tax code, reduce taxes very substantially on the middle class. And make our business tax more globally competitive. We’re the highest anywhere in the world right now.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  56. How about our new jersey and northern California straggler, the former expectorated all through harvey

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. the early primary would allocate California’s massive haul of delegates just after the nation’s first contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

    Even though it’s anachronistic and arbitrary, there are good reasons for the present system of having the first primaries in a handful of relatively small states.

    Expecting fledgling campaigns to compete across the breadth of California and its multiple high-priced media markets, and turn out the vote in a state with 1/8 of the population of the whole country, is going to change things in a lot of other ways, if it happens. For one, it would seem to require a whole new level of early fundraising and organization to be considered viable.

    If it prices out the early vanity/fringe candidate noise, it could be a good thing, although it may stack the deck too heavily in favor of the rich and/or well-established candidates.

    Dave (445e97)

  58. “If it prices out the early vanity/fringe candidate noise, it could be a good thing, although it may stack the deck too heavily in favor of the rich and/or well-established candidates.”

    Isn’t that exactly what happens in Ia?

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)


    Trump’s recent dizzying reversal on the North American Free Trade Agreement reportedly came about when two Cabinet secretaries showed him a map of who’d be hurt if he killed the pact with Canada and Mexico: his own voters. But you would not be safe in assuming Trump will change his mind if he learns something will hurt his voters. If that were the case, he’d be trying to save Obamacare instead of destroy it. There is plenty of evidence and even a map that show the House Republican health plan would hit hardest by far in the states he carried.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  60. Beldar,

    I would rather see an invitation extended to Felipe to do a guest post providing the add-on script allowing users to block POS commenters from appearing. The post should be written as a primer with each step explained with clarity. I’ve used such scripts in the past with good success and they work well.

    The advantage to the blog owner of the script is that it allows his readers to decide which POS they would prefer to avoid while allowing the POS himself the opportunity to defecate without restriction.

    Rick Ballard (1eda47)

  61. Isn’t that exactly what happens in Ia?

    California has over 12 times the population of Iowa.

    Iowa is the most “retail” of the early primary states, due to the caucus format, and the number of participants is incredibly small.

    An early California primary looks like the anti-Iowa to me.

    Dave (445e97)

  62. Why should the tail wag the dog from Iowa? It’s more like anti tyranny of the majority than anti-iowa.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  63. Yes. And you could also make a news blocker which prevents the unwary from clicking on unsavory facts.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  64. New comments, I click or don’t click on the sidebar. Catching up on comments, I go up from the last one, see the commenter’s name first, and skip or don’t skip.

    nk (9651fb)

  65. Thinking about it, I wonder if the California primary move is a power-play on behalf of either Governor Moonbeam, or Kamala Harris.

    Moonbeam is surely too old (he would be 82 in 2020) despite appearing to be fairly hale.

    Harris is frequently mentioned as a future presidential candidate, although she has done nothing (yet) to distinguish herself as a national figure.

    Dave (445e97)

  66. Yes Dave. Harris/Jerry in it, but there are others who can benefit.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)


    Florida Gov. Rick Scott did not cause Irma, but he enabled the Frankenstorm. Before becoming governor in 2011, Scott had been an entrepreneur who “ specialized in privatizing healthcare and ran a hospital chain convicted of a massive healthcare fraud.”
    Scott met with Carbonmongers Charles and David Koch soon after being elected, and all of a sudden Florida’s environmental laws began being gutted.
    Now he will want you to give him $150 billion to rebuild his state, from your tax dollars. He and his ilk argue that it is less expensive to deal with a changing climate than to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.
    Scott enabled Irma’s unusual severity by opposing measures to reduce carbon emissions. He even started replying to climate change questions by saying “I’m not a scientist.” I’m not a scientist either but I took eighth grade chemistry and know what a greenhouse gas is.
    Scott opposed a high speed train in central Florida, which would have cut down on automobile use and forestalled thousands of tons of CO2 emissions.
    Scott told Florida state employees not to use the term climate change. That included scientists working for the state. Our current head of the anti-EPA, Scott Pruitt, has taken over that Scott policy and applied it to the entire Federal

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  68. This is part of the reason he was memory holed, briefly:

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. So, what is being said here is that the NYT is trying on Trump pretty much exactly the same “we’ll praise you just so long as you follow our agenda, and if you don’t you;re a Nazi again” strategy the Media used on him in the Primaries.

    Which strategy he rammed up their backsides in the general election, sideways, and sans lubrication.

    I’m not saying Trump is a good President, or smart, but he has shown that he knows this play, and can turn it on the Liberal Left with a vengeance.

    C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37)

  70. @ Rick Ballard, who wrote (#64):

    I would rather see an invitation extended to Felipe to do a guest post providing the add-on script allowing users to block POS commenters from appearing. The post should be written as a primer with each step explained with clarity. I’ve used such scripts in the past with good success and they work well.

    The advantage to the blog owner of the script is that it allows his readers to decide which POS they would prefer to avoid while allowing the POS himself the opportunity to defecate without restriction.

    Yes, that would be wonderful, whether from felipe, someone working with him, or someone else. I gather that there’s a script that’s close (if that’s the right word for the gizmo) but not quite working — I admit to not having tried it out. I certainly wouldn’t mind the trivial inconvenience of having to go through a bookmark for it to kick in, and being able to update the blacklisted commenters would be really useful.

    I’d gladly kick in the first $100 (to either the writer or his/her favorite charity, perhaps payable through an Amazon gift card with the side-understanding the credit will be used to order via to commission such a thing. Being freed from the poopy-tranny comments alone is worth that much to me. Our host could consider posting a permanent link to the instructions somewhere in his sidebar, perhaps.

    @ nk: I do something similar, but my eye is naturally drawn to the start of each comment rather than the commenter’s name even if I’m scrolling up. Even if I manage to ignore 9 out of 10, the frequency of those comments as a proportion of the total means I’m still reading poopy-tranny stuff almost every time I check for new comments on a post I’m interested in.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  71. @Beldar: In the interest of fairness, it should be noted that Johnny Cochrane and his Wookie typically take up 30-40% of any thread’s comments, often simply responding to each other. If happyfeet makes up another third (I have not counted) then that’s 3 commenters responsible for 60-70% of comments, which is probably not a recipe for constructive discussion.

    If these three could take it upon themselves voluntarily to cut back about 50%, that would go a long way to raising the tenor here–if any of them has any desire to do anything but griefing, that is.

    Frederick (80401a)

  72. Rick, Beldar, and other interested parties:

    I have already emailed the working script to Patterico, attached in a simple text file, which can be copied into the location box of a new bookmark. You only need to obtain it from him. I believe the problem Patrick’s tech guy has, is in implementing the script on a site basis. But the script was designed for individual use. Please Email Patterico and request the script file. Once people have it, I will be happy to post a comment detailing, step-by-step, its set-up and use. I have tested the script, that I sent to Patterico, myself. It works.

    felipe (023cc9)

  73. I am asking P for the script and would also donate to the IT costs. I hope P or felipe can do a post with the instructions.

    DRJ (15874d)

  74. felipe,

    Is the script platform dependent or will it work with any browser? With Firefox I had to first install Grease Monkey and then the troll eliminator. It’s worth the time to be rid of the stench but it does require a bit of help for the uninitiated.

    Rick Ballard (1eda47)

  75. It is javascript, so it will run on any platform that is java enabled. So install Java if you haven’t already.

    felipe (023cc9)

  76. Java is secure. My Stock trading platform runs on Java.

    felipe (023cc9)

  77. Java won’t work on some mobile devices, including the tablet I use, but that’s an easy fix. I won’t read the comments at on my tablet.

    DRJ (15874d)

  78. I only want to avoid one commenter so I could take care not read his comments. They are easy to spot.

    DRJ (15874d)

  79. Perhaps instead of making everyone who objects to this commenter have to wade through all that filth in their attempts to read and engage other commenters here, our host and his co-bloggers could put up a new post every two or three days just for that commenter and the people who want to engage with him, so the rest of us wouldn’t have to.

    Wasn’t this the point of “The Jury Talks Back?” It seems the exclusivity you desire is already built into this platform. Of course you would have to remain on topic and not snipe each other.

    Q! bert (fc15db)

  80. I made a rookie mistake in my earlier link to Java. Try this one for your OS.

    felipe (023cc9)

  81. precious snowflakes in a globe gentle shakes are make fearsome blizzard

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  82. It is javascript, so it will run on any platform that is java enabled. So install Java if you haven’t already.

    Java and Javascript have almost nothing to do with each other.

    ”Java is to JavaScript as ham is to hamster.”

    I didn’t study the script carefully when it was posted, but you do not need Java installed to use Javascript.

    Dave (445e97)

  83. It would not work on a device I had until after I installed Java. Perhaps only a coincidence.

    felipe (023cc9)

  84. Dave, I just uninstalled Java on the device I spoke about earlier, The script still works. So it was, indeed a strange coincidence. This is good news for those who do not, nor wish to install Java. Thank you for that, Dave.

    felipe (023cc9)

  85. 34. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2017 @ 8:24 pm

    there’s at least an equally likely chance that congress might refuse a rise in the debt ceiling unless MORE spending were approved as it is that congress would refuse a rise in the debt limit unless spending were constrained

    That’s exactly what they did right now.

    The more spending was for hurricane relief.

    But usually it’s tied to other kinds of legislation.

    Sammy Finkelman (2e9ec5)

  86. sorry if i was too many commenting i was stuck stuck at the computer cause of irma and wanted to make sure the tampa people got to safety and late late i learned they did

    would’ve known sooner but i abjure reginald zuckertwat’s website so i guess sometimes that means waiting a little longer to find out stuff

    still most of my comments look like they were on point with just some extraneous remarks about a (to me) exotic liquor i should have put on the bugmeat thread and then the fruits of my researchings into whether Amy Madigan is of any relation to Michael, researchings prompted by learning she was a chicago girl

    she doesn’t seem to be (related) but i figured if I’d missed anything Mr. nk might would fill in the gaps on that

    I love commenting so much and i feel a duty not to let myself be bullied into silence cause of i think it sets a very good example for commenters what may have lesser fortitude in such matters

    i’d love to match DRJ’s contribution to this filter project but that’s just not a wise use of monies right now since i’m a little behind the 8 ball this year on wrapping up my 401k

    it’s my only significant tax management tool so I’d feel particularly remiss if I failed to max – we had a ferocious state income tax increase this year and to what small extent I can delimit the state’s profitings from this rapaciousness i feel a duty to do my part

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. yes yes Mr. F just so, but the hurricane monies are unfortunately baked into the cake anymore (there’s hints though Congress may have been shamed by the recent attentions drawn to their porky porky sandy fiasco)

    i wish poop-lick paul and sleazy mitch would offer off-setting spending cuts but they’re just not in the frame of mind these days to put in the work

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. It’s not the quantity that bugs you as much as content not conducive to your sedimentary reality zone.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  89. Happyfeet, we are trying to work with you, not against you. I think it is important (and good) that you be able to freely comment, insofar as this site’s host allows you to comment. All that is needed here is a way a reader to order a burger with a minor alteration:

    Reader one: I’ll have this comment section with everything!
    Reader two: I’ll have the same, except no felipe
    Reader three: Make mine without Ben Burn

    felipe (023cc9)

  90. 94.It’s not the quantity that bugs you as much as content not conducive to your sedimentary reality zone.
    Ben burn (b5f092) — 9/10/2017 @ 11:20 am

    Nah, it’s the quality. Don’t flatter yourself.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  91. felipe, I’d be a-feared I would miss one of the *gems*. I just skim.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  92. Felipe and TVangelistas know whats good for infidels. Trust him..

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  93. thank you Mr. f two salient points number one is i think it would be great while we’re doing r&d if we could make comments to where you had a window in which to edit them like how Mr. Instapundit has them

    this way i wouldn’t have to up my comment count needlessly with typo corrections to previous comments!

    number two salient point is that for the balance of the year at least i must endeavor to return to my previous habit of early to bed, which for most of my tenure in Chicago has meant i do meemees at or around 8 o’clock central, which is 6 o’clock west coast

    the west coast has been very demanding this year both work-wise and personally, and that means i wake up on NY time and go to bed on LA time, and i need to try and draw the line on that cause it’s becoming too much the sacrifice

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  94. I’ll have Hoagie with nothing on it.

    Low carb. Low calorie. Low on everything. 🙂

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  95. You are so right, Hoagie! I admit to feeling left in the dark when praise is heaped upon HF after having made some excellent point.

    felipe (023cc9)

  96. You are way too Low-T for a Hoagie, benburned.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. Thank you, felipe, for coming up with such a thing. It’s easier than Patterico coming up with various filtration words. Like Beldar, I would contribute money to an IT approach on this.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  98. yes yes Mr. Jester this sounds like a good and worthy project

    that said i for one find it improbable that there’s not one but TWO attorneys here what find it in some way challenging or difficult to scroll through a document and pick out the information they need

    while we wait for a technological solution maybe some of the other attorneys could offer them some tips and tricks?

    i guess from doing so much research all the time i don’t really have a lot of insight into what that must be like

    it sounds horrible

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  99. They’re horrible Deplorables and danged proud of it.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  100. Newssweek

    In spite of science, climate deniers and skeptics, like President Trump, who pulled the U.S. out of the Paris Agreement on climate change earlier in 2017, continue to dismiss the effects of human activities affecting our environment. But Irma and company are just the beginning. By the end of the 21st century, according to the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory, hurricanes will be a lot more powerful and dangerous due to rising temperatures of seawater.

    Someone tried to warn us—even as little as a month ago.

    Al Gore’s Inconvenient films, packaged as major motion pictures with all the polished sheen and expensive marketing one expects from a superhero movie, are not just slick popcorn films. They’re packaged that way to make them more palatable to the average Joe. So if you missed the former vice president’s movie when it hit theaters last month, now is the time to see it.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  101. Orwell had something to say about selective fact self-censorship. As I recall it wasn’t good.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  102. It doesn’t matter to crushyians whether the majority approves..


    ● Australia – non-binding same-sex marriage survey (Oct. 27)

    Center-right Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull of Australia’s Liberal Party is in a tricky spot. Polls show the Australian people support same-sex marriage. All the other parties support same-sex marriage. Turnbull (and some other Liberal MPs) support same sex-marriage. But a majority of the Liberal Party doesn’t, and in a country where internal party coups have become the norm, you don’t want to anger your own side.

    So Turnbull and the Liberals have instead decided to complicate everything with a convoluted non-binding survey of the Australian people. Presumably, Turnbull hopes to use the survey result to allow same-sex marriage a vote in Parliament without getting blamed for it by his party’s right-wing.

    Same-sex marriage proponents hate this plan because they believe that their rights should not be put up to a vote, and they think Turnbull’s proposal will lead to a divisive campaign. And it’s voluntary in a country where voting has normally been compulsory for nearly a century, which risks turnout playing a key factor in a way that Australia isn’t used to.

    All that said, the survey will probably go ahead, and it will probably show a majority of Australians in favor of same-sex marriage (polling has found most Australians approve of the idea). Turnbull will then probably allow a vote and it will probably pass. But that’s a lot of “ifs” for the Australian LGBT community, which, along with its counterpart in Northern Ireland, is the last in the Anglosphere to not have the right to

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  103. Their ‘right’ to deny same sex couples marriage? Fook these fools.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  104. Well, if I responded to commenters who are vulgar and rude to others in precisely the same way they act, things would quickly degenerate.

    That would be so very disrespectful to Patterico—-the time and effort he has personally expended to creating this site. But then, so is being vulgar and rude incessantly.

    Strangely, this concept repeatedly gets turned into censorship, fake macho, and “snowflake” insulting nonsense.

    My opinion is in the minority on this, but I invite people to think about the way in which folks write here. Would you want a person speaking like that in your home, to your family and guests? At a party you are paying for?

    And that is somehow censorship, to ask people to be courteous?

    On the other hand, looking at social media these days, perhaps it is.

    If the host of the part is vulgar and rude, then people can leave. If guests at a party act vulgar and rude, then people can leave—-but that hurts the host, not the vulgar people.

    We live in a weird time, where tactlessness is considered to be the same as honesty, where bullying is considered strength, and vulgarity has become conviction.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  105. Stephen Colbert did a nazi salute on tv

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  106. ….where censorship is disguised as a mere wish for civility, whereas it’s a thinly veiled attempt to sanitize the thought stream of blogs and create a safe zone for the least tolerant ideologues.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  107. All I ask for is honest brokers and there are damned few here, but as populous as any other forum.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  108. @71 Ben Burn

    so you’re one of those climate change decriers. Good to know.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  109. Simon Jester (fbd5ad) — 9/10/2017 @ 11:42 am

    It was Milhouse who actually wrote the script. I am just putting it to good use.

    felipe (023cc9)

  110. BB

    I’m a little more skeptical when the government tells me I should take a train.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  111. Felipe likes to project innocence.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  112. Pin..

    Are you in denial? I am shocked to see there is rambling going on here.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  113. Senator Charles (Chuck) Schumer explains how he negotiated this:

    In an interview with the New York Times’ “The New Washington” podcast, Schumer said he was thinking about his “leverage” with Trump back in August during a family vacation.

    “Even when I was on vacation with my family in August, I started looking,” Schumer said in the interview.

    “What’s our leverage?” Schumer said he asked himself. “We only had one thing as leverage at that point, which was the debt ceiling.”

    That leverage paid off….

    …Schumer told the Times that he and Trump could talk “right at” each other, due to their shared New York heritage, pointing to a meeting after Trump won the election.

    “The one thing we have is we’re New Yorkers,” Schumer said. “We’re pretty direct, and we talk right at each other.” {That’s the reason? Not they knew each other for years, that Trump is comfortable personally with Schumer, and Trump even once held a fund raiser for Schumer at Mar-a-Lago? Schumer doesn’t want to indicate how friendly they might be. Not taht that didn’t use to be the case in politics with political opponents – SF]

    “I said to President-elect Trump: ‘Look, we’re not going to obstruct you, just for the sake of obstruction. If you’ll work with us, as long as we can keep our values, we’ll work together,” Schumer said he told Trump last year.

    Schumer also detailed the phone call he received from Trump after the deal, praising the positive media coverage of their meeting.

    “I got a call early this morning,” Schumer recalled. “He said, ‘This was so great!’ Here’s what he said: ‘Do you watch Fox News?’ I said, ‘Not really.’ ‘They’re praising you!’ Meaning me. But he said, ‘And your stations’ — I guess meaning MSNBC and CNN — ‘are praising me! This is great!’

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  114. Relax pin. It’s only temporary sea rise..the big one comes later.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  115. Denial is the first stage of the grieving process.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  116. Now we’ve got Senator Ben Sasso (R-Neb.) complaining: Hey, Senator Schumer is the Minority Leader!

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  117. it’s still completely unapparent what fancy plum it is Schumer extorted

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  118. lol sasse’s dissing sleazy mitch now

    looks like President Trump is the big winner here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  119. 73. C. S. P. Schofield (99bd37) — 9/10/2017 @ 9:02 am

    I’m not saying Trump is a good President, or smart, but he has shown that he knows this play, and can turn it on the Liberal Left with a vengeance.

    Trump was actually marvelling not on;y at how some channels were praising him, but at how FOX was praising Schumer.

    Now what Trump wants to do is to legalzie all people now covered by DACA and he’s not going to be abe to do wthat without it being part of a deal with the Democrats. Just bear that in mind..

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  120. You christians/orthodox Jews might want to pay heed…

    Often, the most despised, most excoriated misfits amongst the popular masses were hated and slandered. Who?

    Minor prophets
    John the Baptist

    (Incomplete list)

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  121. They just wanted all those loud-mouths to STFU!

    That’s all…just leave us alone in our fantasy world. Don’t rock our little rowboats!

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  122. Turnbull ,is a fatiuos wallaby twit, the equivalent to Cameron or our own Medici or mittens, talk about some one who rolls over to the abc or the morning herald, among his camarilla wee the fellow who tormented Mrs amber heard and turned he was actually a kiwi.

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. Of course if you can’t stop making us look at ourselves in the mirror we will have to kill your.presence.


    Ben burn (b5f092)

  124. Comparing yourself to Jesus and whining like a little b*tch about how unfairly you’re being treated is pretty Trump-like, isn’t it Ben?

    Dave (445e97)

  125. Rick Ballard (1eda47) — 9/10/2017 @ 9:59 am

    Rick, with help from Dave, the answer to your question is, no, the script is platform independent – it will work with any browser.

    felipe (023cc9)

  126. Ben Burn

    You seem a little down and I had some spare time so I clicked on your link.

    I love how that website is unironically called Informed Comment.

    My favorite part was how Rick Scott punished people for putting solar panels on their house.

    Rick got the BTK killer released and the guy went around looking for houses with solar panels. You know the rest.

    Shut down Big Hot Yoga and then come talk to me.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  127. Spaniards know how to deal with Pantifa…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  128. Moi, Dave?

    I was matching superiority complexes with those of faith. Have I failed to mirror their exalted image?

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  129. And to suggest my WHINING skills are a challenge to Trump, let me say he has nothing on me…really it’s to the hands, no problem..really, truly.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  130. Pin..

    What happened to the joviality? You sound like someone dropped a clod in your churn

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  131. I don’t think this was a good deal for the American taxpayer. We didn’t go anything to address the underlying $20 trillion debt but frankly what options did the president have in front of him?

    The first time the Republican conference talked about the debt ceiling was Sunday morning.

    And the Freedom Caucus had called for, nine and a half weeks ago, we said ‘don’t leave town until you have a plan on the debt ceiling’ and instead we went home for the longest August recess in a decade, longer even than in elections years. – Representative James Daniel Jordan (OH), he said this today on cable tv

    astute observation there from Jamie D

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  132. @106 Ben Burn

    Al Goreleoni does not live like a guy troubled by climate change. I’ve driven by his Belle Meade mansion a number of times.

    Al’s energy usage.

    Divorcing your wife and cucking Larry David is incredibly inefficient.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  133. You are lame, benburnout, and there’s sadness in your lameness.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. In a situation that has all the makings of a “Katrina moment,” the NWS says the storm is forecast to remain a major hurricane as it approaches the densely populated Tampa Bay area, which experts say is woefully ill-equipped to handle a storm of this size. These problems have been compounded by the fact that many people from Florida’s eastern coast had sought refuge around Tampa in recent days before the storm’s path shifted westward.

    let’s hope this is as over-excited as it seems

    hard for me to weigh any of this stuff right now – got me a touch of the hurricane fatigue i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  135. Yes, I know Pin. Hypocrisy sucks. That’s why I call it out and receive rave reviews for so doing.

    Dave: I insist you stop thinking of me as a Prophet because of my popularity.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  136. Manbearpig, with a certain thong about expressed chakras, question how is billing dinged and Gerald remains employed

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. Al Gore’s movie should be called The Next Hurricane on the Left because it’s that realistic.

    The best part of the movie would be Ben Burn yelling at the screen.

    “No no no! Florida! You in danger, girl!”

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  138. When those Floridian refugees have gone under the water permanently and seek refuge in Pins driveway I can guess the hospitality scale from one to ten..being best.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  139. i hope Mr. sdferr’s ok I haven’t seen him anywheres in forever

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  140. Hillary Blames Obama’s Climate Change Rules For Her Campaign’s ‘Biggest Gaffe’

    We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  141. @127. =yawn= As of this posting there are 140-plus or so comments on this thread– and just 3 comments on the alternative ‘first class’ blog reworked by Patterico: ‘The Jury Talks Back’- Patterico’s ‘living room’ — and two of them from the same commenter.

    Patterico has cleverly reworked a dormant blog and created an elegant, politely policed place for the self-ascribed loftier gassers to break wind. ‘Course why ‘they’ choose here over there to keep’em flyin’low in coach is laughably self-evident. But ‘they’ really have no reason for b-tching.

    As one of the gassier bags posted several comments back, “I have a suggestion”…

    Just go use it.

    “New York abstains. Courteously.” – Lewis Morris [Howard Caine] “1776”, 1972

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. “Patterico has cleverly reworked a dormant blog and created an elegant, politely policed place for the self-ascribed loftier gassers to break wind.”

    I felt that needed to repeat.

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  143. You know, sooner or later, the more obnoxious among the posters will get Patterico angry enough to just shut down comments entirely. I continue to not understand the necessity of folks to be jackwagons on someone else’s dime.

    But when that happens, the trolls will just find another place to piss all over. Right?

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  144. i suppose there’s still a chance Chicago might could get some decent rain out of this Irma deal, but we’ll just have to see

    i’m anxious for some good good rain cause of they’ve been replacing water mains in my neighborhood

    the more of that we can wash into the storm sewer before we get to the snow and the ice the better i think

    but i’m just kinda fastidious like that don’t mind me

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. We’ll see how fiscal and fractious his grand vision (Maginot Line) works .

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  146. That is the danged hell of it.

    You gotta give freedom to evahbody!

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  147. Yeah, but only one person is paying for it.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  148. some good news i’d missed whilst distractered by hurricane irma and President Trump’s machiavellian mischiefs

    But this week’s decisions by Reps. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) and Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) to skip reelection bids in competitive districts have fanned speculation once again that the GOP will soon see more lawmakers heading for the exits.

    both of these slimy turdle-burdles are members of creepy-ass war hero John McCain’s “Republican Main Street” anti-american hate group

    this is just good hygiene, and hopefully it’s the start of a meaningful trend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  149. 154

    Them that paid for freedom are dead and you seem to be breathing. Or are you using another metric, like the taxes you pay?

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  150. felipe, thanks very much for that clarification, and for your efforts past and future. I’ll proceed as you suggest.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  151. I warned you Simon about the wookie scat,

    narciso (6708a7)

  152. Trolls gotta troll, narciso. I just wish I fully spoke your language. There is a lot of back story from your point of view, it seems.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  153. felipe,

    Thank you for the reply. I’ve been thinking over Simon Jester’s comments comparing the behavior to that of a boorish guest at a party hosted by another and consider the comparison slightly off. It seems closer to the situation involved in managing an enterprise rather than hosting a party every day. Most bars or restaurants boot boorish incontinent drunks rather quickly. Obviously, this isn’t a bar but it seems to me that allowing those weary of wading through the sewage emitted by very few to screen out the trash by posting a link to the script is a reasonable solution.

    I don’t believe there is any doubt the powerful continual stench in the comments is driving people away.

    Rick Ballard (1eda47)

  154. I gave uou his backstory, simon.

    narciso (6708a7)

  155. Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule.

    That’s a bit of a misnomer anyway; it’s really been ‘Two-Party Dominance,’ w/off reservation factions over that time rising, sinking or simply absorbed by the two dominants to maintain relevance and existence.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  156. this is just good hygiene, and hopefully it’s the start of a meaningful trend

    I guess so, if you want Trump’s sweetheart Nancy Pelosi to be the next Speaker of the House.

    Reichert ran 23% ahead of Trump in a district Trump lost by 3%. He voted with Trump 83% of the time. Now that seat is primed for a Dem pickup.

    Dent ran 12% ahead of Trump in a district Trump won by 7%. He voted with Trump 90% of the time. His seat was considered safe – now it’s in play, and the GOP will have to spend money defending it.

    Dave (445e97)

  157. still moving inland at a nice little clip

    if i remember right this track is significantly at variance with what it was when Mr. ropelight decided to head inland

    so hopefully this is close to a best case scenario for him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  158. I guess so, if you want Trump’s sweetheart Nancy Pelosi to be the next Speaker of the House.

    hate her

    but if poop-lick paul doesn’t wanna do the work then what can you do

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. Even narco doesn’t speak his own language, but yours is crystal clear and that’s not a compliment either .

    Ben burn (b5f092)

  160. but if poop-lick paul doesn’t wanna do the work then what can you do

    Vote in the party that wants to impeach Trump? Makes perfect sense!

    Dave (445e97)

  161. you know a lot of this is sort of out of my hands

    poop-lick paul and sleazy mitch don’t wanna work

    there’s bound to be unpleasant consequences

    i know if I tried the republican strategy where i’m on vacation all the time and unproductive when i’m at the office i’d definitely get some feedback

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. @164. Yes, Mister Feet. Faster the better. And to offset the plethora of drenched and windblown CSA monuments punctuating the lower regions of the USA, NOAA should be petitioned to rename these America-bound destructive squalls after famed Union generals- to bring balance and clear skies to our Universe. Irma is so… Shermanesque, marchin’ north to the South.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  163. i know if I tried the republican strategy where i’m on vacation all the time and unproductive when i’m at the office i’d definitely get some feedback

    Yes, President Trump’s laziness is a disgrace.

    By end of August Trump will have spent three times as many days at leisure as Obama

    Dave (445e97)

  164. “I ran for President and all I got was a stick up my ass and this lousy collar!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. “She went through a lot and suffered greatly in many different ways”
    – Donald Trump, explaining why he considers Hillary Clinton above the law

    Dave (445e97)

  166. Your conservatism comes shining through, Dave.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. @171. Haven’t you heard? He quilled it all down in Trump’s Laws of Covfefe: “A body at rest tends to stay at rest, and a body in motion tends to stay in motion, unless acted on by a net external force.” There was a signing ceremony and everything, right? Or was he out inventing ‘priming the pump’ instead. So many miracles; his wonders to behold.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. Your conservatism comes shining through, Dave.

    So Trump letting Hillary skate because she’s a personal friend, after promising (hundreds of times) to investigate her and put her in jail was conservatism?

    And criticizing that (i.e. the fact that Hillary isn’t under investigation or in jail) makes me a liberal?

    Sorry, but in your rush to defend Trump you’ve twisted yourself into a logic pretzel that even MC Escher would have trouble duplicating…

    Dave (445e97)

  169. it was the sleazy corrupt trashy fbi what let Hillary skate

    it’s a lawless and corrupt organization and if the DOJ *did* try to prosecute Hillary, the sleazy fbi would pull out all stops to undermine that effort

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  170. Sounds like pathetically weak and incompetent leadership, if our Great Leader allowed that to happen, Mr. Feet.

    Dave (445e97)

  171. yes it does but what can you do

    i’m making a sardelosalata for tomorrow

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  172. ok next hour or so max winds should drop under 100

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  173. Cheech to Chong – Dave’s not here, man.

    mg (31009b)

  174. cubans sittin in the soup

    the roads themselves are clever flood control nechanisms

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  175. oops *mechanisms* i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  176. Trump will probably survive, the republican party should die, quickly.

    mg (31009b)

  177. 176… “I said who do… who do ya think yer foolin’?”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  178. marinating cubans is not healthy

    mg (31009b)

  179. Not amused pikachu.

    narciso (6708a7)

  180. Fox news is saying the hurricane in Florida is now down to a #2 Cat. They also showed a lot of looting going on in Ft. Lauderdale. In typical FOX raaacist fashion they only showed black looters and none of the hordes of white looters. They should be ashamed.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  181. ok here’s some cubans what are floating in the soup

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  182. Hearing and reading about these looters… sometimes I despair the species.

    How low we have fallen.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  183. think tatoos are cheeper in cuba?

    mg (31009b)

  184. tennis shoe looting is genius

    mg (31009b)

  185. cuba just recently messed up 20 state department flunkies pretty bad using their sonic screwdrivers

    the other flunkies must be very conflicted about what sort of gesture to make here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  186. On Sunday, the French government announced that President Emmanuel Macron would travel to the St. Martin, an island split between France and the Netherlands, on Tuesday.

    early reports suggest france did much better than the british or the dutch in terms of planning and execution

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  187. Eureka. May good karma and splendid luck wash over you, felipe!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  188. did their navy survive

    mg (31009b)

  189. our host and his co-bloggers could put up a new post every two or three days just for that commenter

    Patterico’s Purgatory. Somehow that fits with “Pontifications”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  190. Yes Dave. Harris/Jerry in it, but there are others who can benefit.

    Kamala and Jerry are just sock-puppets for Tom Steyer.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  191. @ felipe: Email me please, beldar -at-, with your specifications as to how I can show my appreciation (charity, paypal, etc.).

    This is going to improve my overall outlook in life, and certainly will encourage me to read and comment here more often!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  192. Scott opposed a high speed train in central Florida, which would have cut down on automobile use and forestalled thousands of tons of CO2 emissions

    Scott opposed it like Jeb and every other sane person opposed it: a high speed train from Miami to Orlando is absolutely useless. Not enough people would use it and they would still need cars at both ends to get from initial point A to destination point B. The sole reason the project exists is to channel money to lobbyists.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  193. They also showed a lot of looting going on in Ft. Lauderdale
    If Fox said that, f&$#@ Fox. There has been some, but from sound of local news reports not much. For one thing most people were hunkered down from last night on. There was one spectacular incident that took place in Miami, and the nature of the loot–high end sneakers–suggests a certain demographic. The police arrested at least some of the thieves in that one.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  194. felipe: I’m with Beldar at 199 on this. Patterico has my email.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  195. Update
    My house seems fine, but high winds for the rest of the night mean I can’t get out to check until tomorrow. Thanks be to God, power flickered several times (including just fifteen minutes ago) but has stayed on all day. I have lost cell phone service, though. I got the equivalent of a strong tropical storm with some hurricane winds ( 85-90 mph gusts) especially during a two hour stretch early to mid afternoon.

    The Keys got hit badly, especially the lower Keys. I am not sure where Ropelight lives, but Marco Island, Naples, and Fort Myers all got hit by the eye. I think Naples got seven feet of sea surge. So he was right to evacuate.

    Narciso’s turn comes late tonight and tomorrow.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  196. Narciso, the store in Miami was also a Simon
    Sportswear. Wannabet there’s a connection?

    Stay safe. You’ll probably have a worse time than I did.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  197. where does Jeb Bush live

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  198. Powers out, so far ok.

    narciso (6708a7)

  199. wikipedia says he’s sorta over in west Miami

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  200. Should have weaker wind gusts, who really knows

    narciso (6708a7)

  201. 123. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2017 @ 12:48 pm

    it’s still completely unapparent what fancy plum it is Schumer extorted

    Nothing. It’s just that he traded in leverage in September for even greater leverage in December. (I’m not sure why the leverage is higher ib December. A simultaneous, or near simultaneous, expiration of the continuing resolution, and the debt ceiling? Compromise of kicking the can down the road for a few months less available?

    Sammy Finkelman (6e331b)

  202. seems like the freedom caucus got spanked is all Mr. F

    whatever brilliant policy tool they thought the debt limit represented

    well, they’ve been thoroughly schooled on that now i guess

    and poop-lick Paul’s on notice that he’s not quite the cock of the walk he seems to think he is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  203. @145 er’body on the Evacuation Train. Or is it a chunnel?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  204. @ kish (#204): Thanks for the update, friend. Stay safe. Best wishes to narciso and anyone else in FL now.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  205. kishnevi, I am glad you are ok and hope you don’t have much damage. Thank you for letting us know how you are doing. Best wishes to narciso, ropelight, and any others in Florida.

    DRJ (15874d)

  206. #213 and #214 show the real value of the commenters here, at their very best.

    I join my voice with Beldar’s, DRJ’s, and others wishing folks in the path of the hurricane safety and best wishes. Politics pales.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  207. Thanks everyone. In fact this was nothing compared to Wilma, when I got to watch the roofs across the street being ripped off by the wind and wondering if mine would be next. That was one side of the house. On the other side, the patio gate was being ripped off at the hinges by the same wind. Fun, fun. I live close to a hospital, so power was ought for only a week.

    Ropelight is the one who got the worst of this storm.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  208. Out, not ought.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  209. Meanwhile, down at the Kennedy Space Center:

    Hurricane Irma’s Eye Approaches KSC

    9:45 p.m. EDT–During today’s 6 o’clock hour, Irma packed sustained winds of 35 miles per hour, with gusts as high as 64 m.p.h. The storm’s eye is forecast to come within 116 miles of KSC, its closest proximity to the center, at 2 a.m. Monday, producing maximum sustained winds of 60 m.p.h. for approximately 3 hours. Gusts as high as 74 m.p.h. are possible. Rainfall of 8 – 12” rain is expected, with 15 to 18” possible in isolated areas. A 1- to 3-foot storm surge remains forecast. Irma is expected to exit our immediate area by mid-day Monday, Sept. 11. Final decisions from the Damage Assessment and Recovery Team, and the center’s return to work, are expected to be made during a 9 a.m. briefing Monday, Sept. 11.

    “We’re all asleep down here.” – Col. John ‘Shorty’ Powers, NASA PAO, April 12, 1961

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  210. @173 Dave

    Trump didn’t know the DOJ was independent of his direction.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  211. @188 Rev Hoagie

    LA Riot stock footage?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  212. Do you know how hard it is to throw stolen sneakers over a power line when the wind is 100 MPH?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  213. Glad you guys are okay. I have a friend who lives in a waterfront home on the Gulf in Hudson, Fl. and she evacuated to he sister’s near Orlando yesterday. Her texts are positive too. Good luck fellas.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  214. I was West Miami born and raised

    In the yacht club is where I spent most of my days…

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  215. @216 kishnevi

    Thank God somebody invented those hurricane clips for roofing joists. Was it Andrew where entire roofs went flying off?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  216. Observations regarding the magical bit of programming, for which I again thank you felipe, and likewise thank milhouse, may he still be lurking and well:

    (1) We’ve gotten used to longer URLs as the interwebz have gotten more complicated. It felt odd to me to paste such a huge chunk of copied text into such a tiny text-input field as the one my Chrome browser offers me for the URL when I’m creating a new bookmark. But don’t let that deter you, as it did me for too long. This isn’t a hard installation.

    (2) Updating it will likewise be easy after saving said new bookmark. All one need do is right-click on the bookmark; select “edit”; and then, when the text-input field appears, left-click anywhere within it (without changing any characters) and then hold down the CTRL key and the A key at the same time (to highlight ALL of the text, including the stuff spilling off to either side that won’t fit into the text-input field). You can copy that text into any kind of text editor — I use the old Windows standby, Notepad, but any word processor should work. You can then make the changes to the list of blackballed user names, adding or subtracting as necessary.

    (3) In actual use, it doesn’t matter how you get to any individual post in, whether from another already-existing bookmark or from entering “” in your browser search bar and then clicking on an individual post, or whatever. ONCE YOU’RE THERE, on that webpage that is displaying not only the post but also the comments, then you can click the bookmark you’ve saved with this script in it, and the script then reloads that same page but with modifications. Specifically, it reloads the same page, but any comments by the blacklisted names only show the commenter’s name and the comment number, date, and time, with the entire text that was in the comment omitted. Thus one can still cross-reference and refer back to others’ comments using their comment numbers — those aren’t changed by the script.

    (4) If you leave a comment yourself, hitting “Submit Comment” is going to reload the page, so the blocked comments will re-appear. And if you want to re-block them, you need to again click on your script bookmark. That’s not much trouble, and to my surprise, I continue to get pleasure from blocking particular commenters’ text from appearing on my screen every single time. It’s like having a “Mute” button on a remote control; just as I enjoy muting Alec Baldwin every time one of his TV commercials appear, I will likewise enjoy muting particular regular commenters here who add to my angst without ever engaging in anything remotely resembling a coherent or intellectually honest thought.

    This is worth the exit, and not that hard to set up. I encourage anyone even remotely curious about it to try it out.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  217. *worth the effort, I meant to say in that last line of #225.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  218. Here’s a screenshot of the results from running the script on this webpage.

    Here’s another screeenshot of my pasting the script into the URL text field when editing the “Patterico+script” bookmark I’d previously created.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  219. Hoagie, your friend may not be quite so positive if the sea surge exceeds predictions. But either way she’ll be getting worse than me, because Orlando will be closer to the core of the storm.

    But a hurricane every few years beats winter every year. (But not for you, Hoagie:the humidity!)

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  220. I encourage those of you who would rather not read my comments here to get this script, add my name into it, and never read what I’ve written again, in fact.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  221. Is there any way to compile stats like Ace and post the most filtered commentator of the month?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  222. @229. ROFLMAOPIP It’s a lot easier to just ignore you, Beldar. But then, you’ll never see this — will you. Echo chamber built; fate sealed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  223. Thank you Felipe, thank you milhouse, and thanks Beldar for the extensive write-up.

    I haven’t always been the best commenter here either, and something about this blog in particular seems to bring out a lot of anger. Maybe it’s just the host’s commitment to free speech that makes gives it rough edges, but I think it’s the topics of the posts don’t flinch as much as the rest of the non-hateful part of the right. It’s just a special animal. I hope these enhancements bring the community here to its peak.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  224. @232. More likely reduce it to a pinprick.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  225. @ Pin (#230): Nope, this is purely “client-side,” as the tech folks would say. It just is an instruction that the saved script (the lines of code) is giving to your web browser. Patterico’s web-hosting company probably doesn’t get any indication when a reader has done this, other than perhaps another page reload, which if anything, is good for his stats. In other words, Patterico’s server isn’t involved in executing the script, it’s just sending out the normal 1s and 0s that tell your browser what to show when you ask for This script technique puts the decision and its details (including who anyone has chosen to blacklist) at the lowest and therefore probably the most private level. It’s quite elegant, I think. Also dirt cheap, as in free.

    I didn’t mention, although I’ve seen other commenters mention it before without understanding it, but:

    If you do decide you want to read a particular comment by someone you’ve filtered, you can either just reload the whole page (in which all the unfiltered comments will re-appear) or you can just left-click on the particular filtered comment that you want to read. (Patterico’s variable shade bars makes it easy to see where one comment stops and the other starts for this purpose.)

    Elegant stuff.

    Someone skilled in technical writing — a discipline of its own as a subset of good writing and editing generally — could do a really bang-up set of instructions, building on what various folks have already said on this post or prior ones. (I lack the required gift of terseness, I think.)

    This script has brought Christmas in September for me today. Merry Christmas, everyone!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  226. @ Dustin (#232): For me, this cuts out a lot of background noise and abrasive ugliness that has no purpose other than to aggravate me in particular, or civil society in general. So I hope this blocking script will make me more generous and thoughtful, and less quick to jump to offense, in discussing controversial subjects here with the people I am indeed interested in talking to, whether they agree with me or not.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  227. ^ Well said, Beldar. I have the same sentiment, but not the same ability to articulate it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  228. @127. Building walls is so… Trump.

    “Truth is the basis on which the power of the press stands and falls. Our only demand of the foreign press and our own press, is that they report the truth about… Germany. – Otto Dietrich ‘Triumph Of The Will’ 1935

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  229. @234. They’re called blinders at the track. But you’ll never read this.

    Christmas in September… =eyeroll= Rosh Hashanah is September 20-22, 2017. No Jews in Texas, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  230. @156. Ben- Pop Quiz:

    felipe, Simon & the Sulkin’ Sultan Prince of Remulac: who’s who?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  231. Here’s a thought, oh ye of trollish tendencies: folks who want to edit you out don’t care to chat with you. That shouldn’t bother you. So why try to play games about it like a junior high school kid? Simply edit them out or ignore them.

    Unless, of course, your goal is to play stupid troll games. Which no one here is doing. Right?

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  232. @153, Ben– re-150/154.

    His bookie, banker or accountant… go figure.

    “Obsession… by Calvin Klein” ad tag, 1993

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  233. 42.Trump and the republican party deserve each other

    It’s that Bunker Mentality.

    “Stifle!” – Archie Bunker [Carroll O’Connor] ‘All In The Family’ CBS TV 1971-79

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  234. Another benefit I foresee from this gizmo:

    There are many of you whose comments I’ve looked for in particular because of our past exchanges. But there are also the occasional commenters, the lurkers who pop in rarely, and the absolutely random.

    This doesn’t screen those. This only screens people whom each individual reader here decides he or she doesn’t care to hear from again as a default setting.

    In law sometimes there’s a concept used in constitutional analysis, usually in connection with burdening some fundamental constitutional right, called the “least restrictive means” doctrine. My decisions whom to filter don’t affect DRJ’s or Simon’s. And while I may only want to filter, say, five or six regular commenters, the many of you who are more tolerant than I am can filter out only one or two. Or fifteen.

    It appears that you can add some pretty large number of individual names, by the way, so long as you keep the syntax right. Just insert the additional names with another of the same separator marks between the names as is already in the example (before you edit it, something like “name3” or “name4.” The separator marks in the script, by the way, are the up-and-down mark | which I don’t know the name for, but which is usually on the same key as the backslant character … this doohickey \ ….

    If more people use this gizmo, our host and his co-bloggers may be spared some stress and drama themselves in their moderating and intermediating efforts, which can only be a good thing, because they deserve so much BETTER than that!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  235. If Beldar and felipe et al can follow a Bob Newhart bit they can probably figure out what’s going on with the Shadow Banned.

    Pinandpuller (7e6eb9)

  236. Unless, of course, your goal is to play stupid troll games. Which no one here is doing. Right?

    Simon Jester

    Indeed, who is most upset that they can’t upset people? Probably not the folks who were striving to make this blog any kind of community.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  237. @244. Half-truths?! Or scrambled calls; which Bob: the psychologist, the innkeeper, the cartoonist or the stand-up.

    “I don’t like country music, but I don’t mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means ‘put down’.” – Bob Newhart

    Yes. That Newhart.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  238. Just an observation – this site offers RSS (“Really Simple Syndication”) feeds of both the posts and the comments (the links are near the bottom of the right-margin content).

    RSS in principle allows you to read the posts and comments in a reader, and depending on the features of the reader, you can filter the comments (or posts) according to criteria of your choosing.

    There are RSS reader extensions for most browsers. Just as a proof of concept to play around, I installed one for Chrome (“Feedly”) and an ancilliary filtering/sorting extension (“Feedly filtering and sorting”). It seems to work as expected, but currently, it appears that the site only provides the 10 most recent comments, which is too few to really be useful. If there were interest, I assume that is just a switch to change somewhere in the configuration. (The other feed offers the 10 most recent *posts*, which is a more reasonable setting…)

    As far as I’m aware, an RSS reader cannot allow you to post or reply to a comment, however.

    Dave (445e97)

  239. Oops! I had a setting that was hiding older traffic – the RSS feed contains a lot more than 10 comments!

    Dave (445e97)

  240. @245. You mean restricted community. Here’s a follow along; let’s build a wall from Texas to California. And make Mexico pay for it, too!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  241. @107.Orwell had something to say about selective fact self-censorship. As I recall it wasn’t good.

    Meh. This is more about building walls; it’s a conservative thing. Very Hearst.

    “He was disappointed in the world so he built one of his own.” – Jed Leland [Joseph Cotten] ‘Citizen Kane’ 1941

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  242. R.I.P, Len Wein, comic book writer who created both Swamp Thing and Wolverine.

    Icy (18de29)

  243. sad manatee

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  244. That is a picture of Barbara manatee.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  245. “cuts out a lot of background noise and abrasive ugliness that has no purpose other than to aggravate me in particular”

    Yes Beldar. It’s all about making you comfortable..

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  246. ““I don’t like country music, but I don’t mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means ‘put down’.”

    Really, we don’t mean to denigrate Trump supporters but just listen to them…

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  247. In total, Trump has formed at least 49 business entities since he announced his bid for the presidency. He continued to form businesses not only after winning in November, but also after assuming the presidency in January.

    A detailed examination of Trump’s financial disclosure forms, as well as Delaware and New York business filings, shows that Trump’s run for president likely began as more of a marketing pitch than a genuine attempt to become the leader of the free world. The problem is, he won. And it doesn’t appear his priorities have changed.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  248. Source: Fox “News”

    Miss North Dakota, Cara Mund, was named Miss America 2018 Sunday night in Atlantic City following a night of political questions ranging from the Trump administration’s alleged collusion with Russia to Confederate monuments.

    The event got political after the Miss America candidates were asked multiple questions about the current political climate and President Trump during the question-and-answer session.

    During one of the onstage interviews, Mund said Trump was wrong to pull the U.S. out of the Paris Climate Accord aimed at combating climate change.

    “I do believe it’s a bad decision,’ she said. “Once we reject that, we take ourselves out of the negotiation table and that’s something that we really need to keep in mind.”

    Miss Texas Margana Wood condemned Trump’s coddling of White Supremacists.

    “I think that the white supremacist issue, it was very obvious, that it was a terrorist attack. And I think that President Donald Trump should’ve made a statement earlier addressing the fact, and in making sure all Americans feel safe in this country. That is the number one issue right now.”

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  249. A jackal had to return to his vomit, sigh.

    narciso (6708a7)

  250. Steve Bannon may be a butthurt Nazi-hugger, but he’s a helluva lot smarter than his ex-boss:

    Bannon: Comey firing was worst mistake in ‘modern political history’

    Dave (445e97)

  251. power back up Mr. narciso?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  252. OFF TOPIC:

    The US originally sought an extremely tough series of penalties, including an oil embargo and a financial and travel ban on Kim Jong Un, but the latest draft in circulation removes those items, reports Reuters.


    Some things were on autopilot. Policy toward Venezuela is on auto pilot also.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  253. No got a brief car charge,

    narciso (6708a7)

  254. well hopefully it’s sooner rather than later

    here’s an interesting overview of one utility’s experience with storm hardening their transmission infrastructure [PDF]

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  255. I see that our resident griefers don’t like it that commenters have a script that helps them not read them. But no one can make anyone read a comment; most people who would use the script have a habit of ignoring the griefers anyway.

    If the griefers actually want to be read, they would need to stop griefing and actually engage people substantively.

    There are plenty of anti-Trump, non-conservative voices here who are not griefers and are read and responded to, and that will continue to be the case.

    Of course a script makes it easiER to tune out anyone that one doesn’t wish to hear, but people have always had that power. The griefers are treated as such because of their griefing behavior, not because they are noble bearers of uncomfortable truths.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  256. @256. Building walls… a comfort zone craved by all East Berliners at heart.

    @260. Meh. There’s nothing to the Russia story, either… Lord Bannon told us so.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  257. Frederick..

    It’s a blessing as the replies lack any utility other than ridicule and I’m running out of stank.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  258. Evangelical whordes thought aligning with the war on contraception would bully the Pope.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  259. Pro-life crushyians just need baby- batter for their religious wars of choice.

    They really have Agape love for cannon fodder.

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  260. @266. You need glasses.

    Building walls is so retro. Quite East German; very Trump. But do bang your shoe on the desk to draw attention. Makes for a good show!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  261. Heh..

    DC: Do you recall Kruschevs prediction?

    “We will bury you” (lateral pass to Pootin)

    Ben burn (ad9fa0)

  262. @272. Our Little Nikitas wear pumps these days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. Someone must have heard you talking s”p”it:

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  264. I had never heard this until today. Amazing that this clip was not available during the campaign.

    If you view this info through the lens of leftist understanding, you would know that it would be passed over because the spirit of his thought was consonant with the media narative, after all, the U.S, “had it coming” in their twisted minds, so it would not have been used used even if it was made available from many sources. Just my jaded opinion.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  265. Frederick: don’t let good old DCSCA get to you.

    He is kind of a joke. Historically, he claims to be everywhere, sort of like Zelig. If you just go searching, you will find amazingly tall tales of his knowing Von Braun, being present at rock throwing at the US-Mexico border, playing soccer at the American Embassy in Moscow, owning fleets of expensive cars, traveling all over the world and making a difference. Add to that his extensive experience at the World Trade Center.

    He carries on like this for a while. Quotes old movies. Sneers at people.

    Then he goes away.

    Then the cycle repeats.

    But he’s pretty harmless, despite the whiff of Jason Bourne he wants to emit.

    And I have even seen him be pleasant once in a while.

    Simon Jester (fbd5ad)

  266. Re:#276

    OOps! That comment should be in the Trump;9/11 thread.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

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