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Witness in Zimmerman Murder Case Lied

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:20 pm

Another setback for prosecutors in a case that appears to be little more than a collection of setbacks for prosecutors:

Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, the state’s most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie Tuesday.

It was not the first piece of misinformation tied to her, but it was the most damaging to date and left prosecutors in a very awkward position.

They had to publicly acknowledge that their star witness had lied under oath and had to answer questions about what they intend to do about it.

Of course, witnesses lie under oath all the time. It happens so often lawyers actually get deadened to it. The key is not presenting a lie to a jury as truth when you know it’s a lie. I know of no evidence they did that here. So what was the lie? Something that seems trivial — so why lie about something so trivial?

The woman had told prosecutors she was in the hospital on the day of Trayvon’s funeral.

“In fact, she lied,” defense attorney Don West said.

Apparently that is not the only bad information she has given:

Despite’s Tuesday’s revelation, there is no indication the woman lied about what she heard on the phone the evening Trayvon was shot. But she appears to have given Crump another piece of bad information: her age.

He told reporters in March, when he played excerpts from the recorded interview, that she was 16 years old. In fact, she was 18 at the time. Crump has said he did not knowingly misrepresent her age.

She is an important witness because she claims Trayvon Martin says he was being followed by Zimmerman and that he (Martin) was scared.

30 Responses to “Witness in Zimmerman Murder Case Lied”

  1. Greetings:

    Unless, of course, the prosecutorial process is the expected punishment. Alas, St. Trayvon of Sanford is still dead.

    11B40 (f5d2b7)

  2. didnt they riot in the 80’s when a gang banger was killed by police and they nearly burned down Miami, is this why they are moving heaven and earth to convict this guy for defending himself?

    EPWJ (1ea63e)

  3. She seems to pick some very odd things to lie about.

    SPQR (768505)

  4. witnesses lie under oath all the time. It happens so often lawyers actually get deadened to it.

    That upsets me. It may be true, but it gives ma a sense of what the he** difference does it make if one is left trying to figure out who is lying the least.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  5. It was all part of setting the ‘template’ necessary to bring about the arrest.

    narciso (3fec35)

  6. so she didn’t go to thuggy thug’s funeral?

    what a crappy girlfriend

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  7. I believe I have read that it’s all about setting up a case where they can sue the state and come up with a big payoff for the d-bag lawyers trumping up the case. They specifically have done it before.

    luagha (1de9ec)

  8. Her story and actions have only ever made sense if she had something about that night she wanted to hide.*

    *not that all teenagers words and actions always make sense anyway

    MayBee (f32100)

  9. happyfeet wrote:

    so she didn’t go to thuggy thug’s funeral?

    what a crappy girlfriend

    She had moved on, so to speak.

    The snarky Dana (3e4784)

  10. This is the most shameful prosecution I can imagine. A punk kid with a history of being a punk kid gets shot by someone in self defense and the judge is focused 100% on screwing over Zimmerman and his wife. Since when is having a legal defense fund set up considered not “being broke” when the purpose of the fund is to pay lawyers, and they can expect the lawyers to eat it all up? Since when is a prosecution that takes this long justified just because NBC doctored up audio and Jesse Jackson et al stirred up $hit? How can this judge have not been censured by higher judges, or impeached yet? How can the prosecutor have not been ordered to drop the charges? This is tyranny and a travesty.

    Smarty (998f16)

  11. I have known women to misrepresent their age and weight from time to time for many reasons. But lying to the police who can certainly prove you are lying is pretty stupid.

    If Obama had a daughter, would she look lie like this?

    WarEagle82 (2b7355)

  12. The lie about her age isn’t trivial. Trayvon’s legal team and the Florida marsupials in cahoots to railroad Zimmerman used the girl’s age to shield her from early examination of her story and the role of Treyvon’s lawyers in coaching her.

    The spirit of Mike Nifong’s brand of “justice” retired and moved to Florida.

    ropelight (37d369)

  13. Smarty: None of that has happened, because Zimmerman is to be sacrificed. Under no circumstances does the area want riots and street warfare. So, St Tray will be held up as some sort of martyr done away with by the evil white hispanic.

    In the old days, I think a team of vigilantes would have walked into the county jail and let the poor man out.

    As for the judges and the prosecuting attorneys, they should be dealt with by the same vigilantes.

    Celebrate Homogeneity (941b04)

  14. Instead of thinking “why would she lie about such trivial things”, think “which lies are the easiest to disprove”. Her story is unraveling. These two lies are just low hanging fruit.

    Russ from Winterset (6354df)

  15. So, she was 18 and Tryvon 17, I wonder why that would make a difference? Unless, she was worried about being charge with being in a relationship with a minor, but then why not say you’re also 17? Why make yourself two years younger, a year younger than Treyvon?

    Sean (a4178b)

  16. Also, now that Prosecutors have shown their zealous nature in prosecuting Mrs. Zimmerman for a lie during her husband’s bon hearing will they follow through with prosecuting their own star witness? I’m not going to hold my breath.

    Sean (a4178b)

  17. this is a political prosecution

    you know – like the kind they have in third world countries

    and all cause Pam Biondi needs a goddamn hug or something

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  18. If you are surprised at anything that has happened in this case you need to get out more. In a multi racial community.

    f1guyus (647d76)

  19. And about the lying part. “Nobody ever called me on it before”

    f1guyus (647d76)

  20. She lied about her age? Perhaps she is just another low-information voter and doesn’t know her real age.
    In any case I certainly agree this case is political. The Florida gun laws were crafted in an effort to prevent exactly this kind of prosecution.

    Fred Beloit (9e81ce)

  21. I’m not sure she lied about her age. Some assumptions might have been made about her age – whathis name never said where he got the idea she was 16, though he says he didn’t deliberately mislead the press. Maybe the shark attorney or some family member helped that impression along.

    Or, she lied. Would be nice to get a straight story.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  22. He was on a Sizzurp errand, I don’t need more convincing on that point. I don’t doubt he was concerned about being noticed and followed, as he was up to no good.

    Don’t forget it was the shakedown lawyer that chatted up young miss first; he was quite willing to shape perception with wrong-age photos to sex up the injustice to an innocent boy angle. That was deliberate deception, so he is capable of it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  23. I’m not very familiar with trials; is it common to have an affidavit that doesn’t really allege a crime? I don’t know if you guys have read the prosecution’s affidavit, but it basically says “Zimmerman ‘profiled’ Martin and followed him, a struggle ensued, and Zimmerman shot Martin.” It doesn’t even claim that Zimmerman started the confrontation, and as far as I know following someone on a public street and even “profiling” them (whatever that means) is legal.

    Is it just me or is it bizarrely weak, considering they’re going for 2nd degree murder? They don’t even allege 2nd degree murder in their version of events. Is that how these things usually work? Or is the railroading just that obvious?

    Eidolon (aefa16)

  24. Well, compared with Cory, she’s a girl scout.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  25. Or is the railroading just that obvious?

    It’s just that obvious. At least to anyone who doesn’t see racism around every corner. Lost a lot of respect for the initial judge, who was a frat brother. Pure socio-political theater going on here.

    uselogic (4ef943)

  26. This has angered me from day one. It used to be, both sides would put out their version of events, and there would be a Venn diagram overlap – now it’s all lopsided, with the obvious perp {or his/her cronies} obviously lying, basically proving the other side was {mostly} correct from the jump, and still they vilify and want to {further} destroy Zimmerman?

    I’m now terrified of interacting in *any* way with anyone who is not white, female, and in her 50’s!!!

    Amy Shulkusky (676892)

  27. AMY!!! I’M SHOCKED!!! The witness lied!!!! Say it isn’t so!!!
    Chirp chirp chirp goes the MFM. Scooter Libby on the other hand……….

    GUS (694db4)

  28. So what was the lie? Something that seems trivial — so why lie about something so trivial? ?

    No, it was an extremely important lie – done to maintain her credibility. I don’t see how it is that everybody has missed this.

    She was probably not speaking to Trayvon Martin on the phone the night of his death, nor was she his girlfriend, and posisbly didn’t even know him. So, of course she didn’t attend the funeral. She only came forth later.

    the sqame thing with the lie about her age. While a woman often makes herself younger that’s not from age 18 to 16. The thing is, if she was 16 it would be more plausible for her to be Trayvon’s girlfriend. (that lie might have been said only by the lawyers promoters.

    There’s another lie, too. Originally the claim was that she heard the beginning of the confrontation. that is missing from the affidavit. It probably developed that the time of the call on the cellphone associated with Trayvon Martin was before George Zimmerman completed his call to 911. So that story changed too.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  29. My theory has also been that there were two men there that night, or someone else Trayvon was going to (and making trying to checking which house it was in that case)

    But George Zimmerman saw only Trayvon. He was keeping Trayvon from walking somewhere unobserved so that’s why he was attacked and why Trayvon didn’t just go home.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  30. We don’t have any idea of who was talking to whom on that phone that night.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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