9/11 +10
[Posted by Karl]
When we remember the 9/11 attacks, it can be too easy to forget Shanksville, PA and the Pentagon. On a year emphasized by our base-10 mathematics, it appears that at least the heroes on Flight 93 are getting their due.
Yet it seems undeniable that the attacks had their biggest and most terrible effect in New York City. Michael Oreskes, senior managing editor for US news at The Associated Press, takes a decent run at capturing what the loss of the Twin Towers — and those at Ground Zero — did and meant to New Yorkers. No single essay could reasonbly be expected to capture that loss. To paraphrase an apocryphal quotation attributed to an expert on the subject of mass murder, the death of of one is a tragedy, while the death of many is a statistic. This may be why I return to the recollections of a single New Yorker (and one of my favorites) Allahpundit, as compiled by Andy Levy (another of my favorites). Both Oreskes and Allahpundit refer to those who plunged from the towers ten years ago today — people rarely discussed, but as deserving of our attention and reflection as any this day.
–Karl
“…those who plunged from the towers…”
Seen in real-time as it happened too fast to cut away, but rarely re-shown, or commented upon, so as not to offend our “sensibilities”.
Unknown to me, and I assume to many, is that several NYFD were killed* by those jumpers as the falling bodies impacted them as they approached the entrance to the towers.
*I assume they were killed as I doubt anyone could survive the impact of a body hurtling downward from a height of 85-stories; and the description of the witnesses is “they (not defined as either projectile or target) just exploded”.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ff6763) — 9/10/2011 @ 10:32 pmIt’s a Hobson’s Choice, isn’t it:
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ff6763) — 9/10/2011 @ 10:35 pmTo remain in the building and be consumned by fire, or to jump to your certain death in a leap of momentary freedom.
FLIGHT 93
(c) Leslie Fish, 9/17/01
She took off from Newark on a warm autumn day,
With forty-five travellers and crew.
They all were unarmed at the will of the law;
Security passed them all through.
An hour into flight-time, four Arabs jumped up —
Two Ahmeds, Ziad and Sa’eed —
Announced a hijacking and waved knives around
(Razorblades, box-knives and steak-knives they’d found),
And a box that they swore was a bomb up and down;
They thought that was all they would need.
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
CeeCee the stewardess had a cell-phone,
And called up her husband to say:
“The plane has been hijacked. We’ll do as we’re trained;
Be quiet and humbly obey.
They’ll dicker for money or some social cause.
The government surely will pay.
They’ll put us out somewhere and leave with their score,
Or maybe police will come catch them and more.
That’s always the way this has been done before.
With luck, I’ll be home in a day.”
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Next was Mark Bingham, who had a phone too,
And used it to call up his Mom.
He said they’d been hijacked by “three foreign men”
Who had knives and said they had a bomb.
But some of the passengers plotted, he said,
To take back the plane as it flew.
“But first tell me, Mom, is it true what they say?
That three other airplanes were hijacked today,
Flown straight into buildings and blew them away?”
His mother cried, and said: “It’s true.”
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Jeremy Glick called his wife on the phone,
And told of the bomb and the knives.
He said: “If these stories we’re hearing are true,
We might as well fight for our lives.”
His wife told him: “Yes, the World Trade Center’s hit,
And maybe the Pentagon too.”
He left the phone hanging, then came back and said:
“We’ve nothing to fight with, and may wind up dead,
But we’ve voted to stand up and fight them instead,
And we might keep them from getting through.”
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Thomas Burnett phoned his wife several times,
Reporting the course of the fight.
He said: “One man’s been stabbed, and we can’t reach the cockpit,
But somehow we’ll alter the flight.
We’ve guessed that the target is likely the White House,
And if we fail, we’ll surely die.
We’ve nothing to fight with except our bare hands,
But we’ll keep on trying until the plane lands
One way or the other. We’ve taken our stand.
My darling, I love you. Goodbye.”
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Jason the pilot could hear the whole tale.
He’d signaled as well as he could.
He saw that the terrorists still held the cockpit —
And one way to stop them for good.
He watched while the passengers battled and died,
And knew that no help would be found.
The guard was distracted. Just one chance to win.
There’s one case where suicide isn’t a sin.
He weighed all his chances. He said: “Auger in!”
And drove the ship into the ground.
Flight 93 no more will fly.
Dead on the ground or dead in the sky:
You might not survive, but at least you can try.
Stand up and bring the ship down.
Flight 93 hit the ground at full speed,
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/10/2011 @ 10:35 pmAnd no one aboard her survives.
But the White House still stands, and a few thousand folks
Can thank those aboard for their lives.
There’s no guarantee, when the Bad Guys come in,
That they won’t kill you all to a man.
So when some fanatics are out to have fun,
There’s nowhere to hide and there’s nowhere to run.
Then pray that the law lets you carry a gun,
But fight back however you can.
A soldier’s remembrance….
“…In order for America’s influence to live on, our sons and daughters must both remember the threats we face, and stand ready to advance our values and interests — by the pen, the podium, the checkbook, and, when necessary, the M-4…”
H/T- PowerLine
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/276634/911-generation-and-our-sons-pete-hegseth
[note: released from moderation. –Stashiu]
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ff6763) — 9/10/2011 @ 11:11 pmIslam can be destroyed non-violently.
Trencherbone (22ebb7) — 9/10/2011 @ 11:44 pm@Another Drew
IIRC the FDNY chaplain that was killed was hit by a jumper.
Steve (0f17b8) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:39 amIf you go to ihatestevensinger.com, you can buy a 9/11 memorial pin for $10 which will go towards the cost and maintenance of the Shanksville memorial.
JEA (5defab) — 9/11/2011 @ 6:37 amI’ve got an English friend–a semi-retired journalist–who has kept his hand in by writing photo captions and headlines for The Daily Telegraph for the last 15 years. He had to write the captions for the photos of the World Trade Center after the attack. He was particuarly shaken by writing the captions for the photos of the jumpers.
Comanche Voter (0e06a9) — 9/11/2011 @ 6:51 amThank you Milhouse for #3. Thank you ST6 and President Obama that Osama BinLaden is NOT here to celebrate.
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:12 amAnd in the “keepin’ it classy” category, that bit of toilet film Krugman writes:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
In his world, if only everyone was as smart as he is.
A terrible essay on this day, and a great example of projection: he accuses others of what he himself does.
Instead, this is a day to mourn the dead.
Simon Jester (e03c11) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:28 amSome people learn nothing in ten years time:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/opinion/reckonings-after-the-horror.html
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:31 amThe 9/11 Broadcast
To mark the 10th anniversary of 9/11, Howard 101 proudly presents a special encore presentation of The Howard Stern Show’s unforgettable broadcast from Tuesday, September 11, 2001. Hear the events as they unfolded in real time, as we air the full show in its original form starting at 6 am ET on Howard 101.
Sun., Sept. 11 6 am ET: The Howard Stern Show’s Tue., Sept. 11, 2001 broadcast on Howard 101
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koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:55 amBetter: “Paul Krugman has been irrevocably poisoned; he has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.”
“For obvious reasons.”
navyvet (db5856) — 9/11/2011 @ 8:19 amSo, for Krugman and the NY Times today isn’t about remembering the Islamic terrorist attack of 9/11, and honoring the selfless deeds of ordinary public employees who bravely rose to the occasion that terrible day.
For Krugman and the NY Times the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 is only a opportunity to insult the emotions and outrage the sentiments of patriotic Americans who refuse to bow down to murderous thugs and to obediently worship at the alter of useful idiots and Democrat Party propaganda pimps.
ropelight (ae6bf8) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:13 amWhat a stark contrast one finds when contemplating the unspeakable courage and heroism of the average joe on 9/11, and Krugman’s self-righteous drivel and sanctimonious accusation of national shame. His utter lack of courage is evidenced in totality by choosing to close the comments section.
Obvious reasons, indeed.
Own your shame, Mr. Krugman. But do not project and assume the rest of us are soulless as you.
Dana (4eca6e) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:16 amFeedback to the NYTimes via The Public Editor
http://twitter.com/#!/search/thepubliceditor
Twitter: @thepubliceditor
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:24 amemail: public@nytimes.com
tifosa, 0bama has less to do with OBL’s demise than Nixon had to do with the moon landing. And I don’t recall anyone ever giving Nixon credit for that.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:24 amNew York is hell.
We still have a lot of trees but I expect Obama to pass a bill making it a hate crime to cut down a tree.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:43 amWe meaning NY.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:43 amGreetings:
I was living in the San Francisco Bay area and for some forgotten reason had the day off from work. I was planning to sleep late, maybe 9am, or so, but woke up around 7 and flicked on the TV before rolling over. The first plane had already hit, but then I saw the second one roll in.
I had two second cousins who worked in lower Manhattan’s financial district so I wasted some time trying to get through to them to tell them to get outta Dodge quick like a bunny. The phone lines were pretty much impenetrable until mid-afternoon when I reached their mother who said everyone was alive and well.
My father had come to this country in 1927 from his native Ireland. He had spent his work life in New York’s construction industry. Early on, he worked on the Empire State Building. Towards his retirement, he worked on the World Trade Center and, after it opened to the public, we spent an afternoon together doing the observation deck thing and my father’s version of the three-martini lunch. It was a brilliant New York afternoon, much like 9-11, no ceiling and unlimited visibility as they would say in flight school. When I stood close to the windows on the observation deck, I felt like the building was leaning over, a much different experience than the observation deck on the Empire State Building. My other impression of the Trade Center was the volume thing. It doesn’t always come across in pictures or film, but the sheer volume of the two towers was almost beyond belief.
There’s a peculiar aspect to a lot of the workers in New York’s construction industry, especially on the really large or famous projects. A kind of relationship develops between the workmen and their creations, like somehow they and the building were parts of each other, then and forever. It was concept that I really didn’t understand until much later when I learned that I was a printer and that my printing was both by me and of me.
[note: fished from spam filter. –Stashiu]
When the two towers finished collapsing, I was left with two unpleasant thoughts in my mind. One, I was glad that my father had gone on to his well earned reward and didn’t have to live to see it. The other was why the hell did I ever give back that M-16.
11B40 (c4b116) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:56 amNo need; I believe the city has already done so. At least, you need a permit from the city, unless the tree is in your back yard.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:08 amMan at Flight 93 ceremony site called to President Obama: “Thanks for getting bin Laden.”
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:16 amThat little Krugman fella– he sure has his Nobel Prize fingers on the pulse of the American psyche. He thinks the ten year commemorations are “oddly subdued” does he? In his dreams. I doubt there is a city, town, village or hamlet in this nation which has not had some type of event or service this week to remember the victims of 9/11.
I am gratified to see that Krugman’s thoughts are not featured on the main NYT webpage (as of this hour at least) so there’s some comfort to be had that he isn’t assaulting readers with his bile at the very moment they enter the site. What a truly despicable, smarmy, spiteful, hateful, small man he is.
elissa (af69a9) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:17 am9-11 victims families to tifosa-Who is this loser?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:22 amhttp://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/how-911-led-to-president-obama/
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:24 amPlant.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:24 amno shame or honor
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:26 amnow that pretty well sums up
stoat economist
As far as I know there is not a partisan divide on Americans being glad, ecstatic even, that OBL is dead. (But I assume tifosa being tifosa that he was trying to make some other point up at 10:16.)
elissa (af69a9) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:27 amI am not glad OBL is dead he should’ve been interrogated first
what a stupid and cowardly president have we
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:29 amWhy do the leftards oppose war and use the deaths of troops to bash a republican but yet insist war is the answer when a demtard is in office?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:29 amthanks for memories
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:32 amtifosa and Big Zero
here’s looking at you
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The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.
That’s pretty disgusting and partisan, even for Paul Krugman. He reminds me of all the leftists who in 2002 turned the public commemoration or semi-funeral of Paul Wellstone, the senator from Minnesota who died in a plane crash, into a cheap political rally and tawdry spectacle.
Again, I wouldn’t be so bothered by such people if they at least didn’t fall for the notion that their liberalism gives them and like-minded people a layer of true compassion, humanity, sophistication and generosity. It sure as hell doesn’t.
Mark (411533) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:42 amWatching NFL pregame. Just saw Barack & Michele Obama smiling and waving 2 seconds after a wreath laying in PA. Who the hell tells these 2 how to act?
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:43 amWhile you watch football here’s the day’s schedule for POTUS/FLOTUS http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/president
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:49 amRe: Obamas smiling & waving to fans at solemn 9-11 Flight 93 ceremony in Pennsylvania.
It was literally as they walked away from the monument just feet from the military guard. It looked very much like Veteran’s or Memorial day ceremony at Arlington Nat’l Cemetary…a moment of silence…but seconds later they were waving to the fans. They walked briskly, rather than the traditional pace for such memorial ceremonies, chatting with each other, then waving again. A clip of it is at about 50 minutes into FOX NFL Sunday as they are going into commercial break.
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:52 am*Cemetery
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:52 am______________________________________________
Who the hell tells these 2 how to act?
Perhaps Jeremiah Wright.
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Mark (411533) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:54 amYeah, I’d say Stalin was an expert.
Amphipolis (e01538) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:55 amAs they walked away, the crowd erupted into chants of “U.S.A., U.S.A.” The president and first lady waved. WE ARE ONE! (who are you?)
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:58 amthe crowd’s chants were such
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:05 amnobel attempts to return
to the praiseworthy
Video of Obamas at 9-11 Flight 93 wreath-laying ceremony in Pennsylvania. Smiling & waving.
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:05 amOf course. But it’s not important.
I’m very proud of our relentless effort, across two administrations, to bring some measure of justice to Osama Bin Laden. If it’s about partisan credit, that’s sick. The fact is a lot of people gave a fair portion of their life’s work to finding this man, and many hard decisions were made along the path. Two evil regimes came down, and in fact the Iraq war proved pivotal.
Today is a day for partisanship for the losers who just don’t understand what life is about.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:06 amWell said, Dustin.
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:13 am+10 for numbers 8 and 13, Simon and ropelight.
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:14 amRemember the video of Clinton walking from a funeral, laughing and joking, until he saw the camera was on him, and within an instant he was wiping away a tear?
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:24 amYes, and Clinton was 73.2% more genuine than either Obama.
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:26 amA stroll through the ocean of some souls, Colonel, would scarcely get one’s feet wet.
But I am talking about trolls, among others.
Simon Jester (a6b385) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:27 amunder Big Zero
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:28 amwe’re hip deep in the sheep dip
so it’s 0ne and Done
Tifosa is a POS.
I’d cheer USA too despite those two hypocrites being in office.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:48 amDisney CEO Bob Iger says two words that must’ve had Walt rolling in his grave.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/11/disney-ceo-buries-inconvenient-facts-about-911-to-protect-hillary-clinton-say-activists/
ColoenlHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:58 amPOTUS and FLOTUS get cheers at the pentagon
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:27 pmvery solemn wreath-placing
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:28 pmgee, don’t they know he’s a muslim intruder? 😉
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:29 pmThat’s what is important today… right, tifosa?
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:29 pmAre you watching live at the Pentagon COLONEL?
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:33 pmIt did not take today’s event to demonstrate to the World that if it weren’t for “low class”, Barry and Michelle would have no class at all.
tiffy can only make a point when he’s used as a lawn-dart.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:36 pmYou truly are a douchebag, tifosa. F@ck off.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:36 pmJust remember, JD, why tifosa posts. His goal is to irritate others. He is like Sharpton: clueless, partisan, and not very smart.
Resist we much.
Simon Jester (a6b385) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:40 pmBREAKING: Manhattan: American Airlines 34 has 3 passengers locked in a restroom refusing to come out. Fighter Jets are assigned for an intercept.
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:40 pmJD, you are incorrect in calling tiffy a douchebag – douchebags, unlike tiffy, serve a purpose.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:41 pmTifosa – start your own blog.maybe you can ask Krugman the demonic midget to join you in dropping partisan deuces on the memories of 9/11.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:43 pmvery solemn ass-licking.
BREAKING-tifosa likes to wear womens clothing.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:44 pmreferring to tifosa.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:49 pmA PowerLine commenter on Krugman:
“…Paul Krugman, the Left’s most regarded “intellectual” is cashing in on the horror today…”
I would only comment that Krugman is not even a pimple on Noam Chomsky’s ass when it comes to the revered intellectuals on the Left,
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:49 pmbut he is just as vile and dispicable, and should be shown the gate by the NYT if they had any integrity left in the vacumn they call a soul.
using the deaths in war for politics sounds like a democrap idea but since a democrap is in office they believe war is the answer.
Makes me sick.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:50 pmBreaking: tifosa wears ONLY women’s clothing 😛
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:51 pm😀 It fiugres.
Code Pinko needs to criticize Obama for his wars.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:53 pmTifosa is a hateful angry little git.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:56 pmIn regards to war PTSD is uncommon.
Acute Stress Reaction is far more common.
The terrorists who did this deserve to be shot.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:58 pmSorry for the Off Topic.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 12:58 pmI visited Kaiser Permanente this morning, after fasting for the prescribed 12 hours (in Colonel’s world, that constitutes torture). After two sticks in each arm, the health tech finally hit a gusher. The young fellow taking my blood (he appeared to be either of Pakistani or Indian background) then raised the subject of the 9/11 anniversary, and mentioned the same photos taken from space that Aaron had posted about.
I told him, yes, I had seen the photos and that it was pretty amazing that you could see that plume of smoke rising from the WTC, even from space. He then mumbled a little bit… all I caught was “U.S.” and “bombs”…
and I sat there, needle in my arm, stewing about that… I said “I’m sorry, I didn’t catch that last statement… what was that again?”
He again mumbled and replied, “oh, it was nothing.”
ColonelHaiku (601b0d) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:00 pmABC News RT @jakebeckman: Federal air marshal is on board AA34. Passengers in bathroom now reportedly compliant
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:04 pmdefinitely Pakistani
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:04 pmI think we should honor the memory of 9/11 by declaring today National Grandparents Day.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:06 pmI think we should name tomorrow tifosa day.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:07 pmNOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim September 11, 2011, as National Grandparents Day. I call upon all Americans to take the time to honor their own grandparents and those in their community.
This had to be some kind of joke. The Onion? National Lampoon?
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:14 pmIf I had a hammer, I’d hammer in the morning,
ropelight (ae6bf8) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:42 pmI’d hammer in the evening, I’d hammer all the left-wing liars all over this land.
I’d hammer pipsqueaks like Paul Krugman, and I’d hammer pretenders and loud-mouth jerks like Barack Obama.
There isn’t any limit to the extent I’d hammer the enemies of this fair land.
Yeh Jd, I’m hateful and angry. Must be all my angry rhetoric, like “teatards” “douchebag” “on your knees” doing “a Lewingky,” “f**k off”
Projection dear.
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:46 pmRe Krugman’s piece, William Jacobson said all that needs to be said.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:51 pmThank you ST6 and President Obama that Osama BinLaden is NOT here to celebrate.
Horse manure, Obama did nothing to accomplish OBL’s removal. Unless you are convinced, tifosa, from Jay Carney’s ridiculous act, that Obama was on the chopper with an HK416 in hand.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:55 pmJD,
It appears Grandparents’ Day is always the Sunday after Labor Day. Whether it should’ve been this year may be debatable.
Karl (37b303) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:56 pmYou are polluting a thread about 9/11, with you hateful partisan smears, so take your sanctimony and shove it up your arse.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:56 pmKarl. – they are a bit tone deaf, no?
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 1:57 pmAfter all, Osama bin Laden had grandchildren. But I don’t think any of the hijackers did.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:01 pmI think tiffy is related to one, or more.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:07 pm67.In regards to war PTSD is uncommon.
Acute Stress Reaction is far more common…
Comment by DohBiden
I have read that life expectations predispose to PTSD; that is, PTSD is typically “caused” by experiences totally unexpected. Hence, in a combat situation, people are “somewhat expecting” to see violence, injury, and death; then again, “expecting” the terror of war can never match the real thing.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:15 pmCould he be Tommy?
koam @wittier (069df7) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:21 pmIt is ghoulish, Krugman-esque to be as bitterly partisan as tifosa is being.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:24 pmThe Left endures in a state of permanent adolescence.
We might as well bring back the old Chinese practice of foot-binding, as they seemingly as helpless as those who underwent that practice.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:31 pm…”are” as helpless…
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 2:31 pmJD (81),
Perhaps, though in such cases I also wonder whether it’s the result of some prior, meaningless Congressional resolution setting a date.
Karl (37b303) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:14 pmMore, and better, argument for a Sunset Provision in every bill/resolution that Congress passes.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:19 pmhttp://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/09/11/15-of-the-19-hijackers-were-saudi/#comments
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:31 pm#78. Exactly how many sources, how much information, do you have to discount/ignore to believe that the Commander in Chief did not unleash the “surgical strike” that got bin Laden? The go-head was in his hands. Clinton didn’t do it when he had a chance, Bush didn’t do it when he had a chance. Do you think SealTeam6 decides it on their own? It’s almost laughable that you’re so ideologically dug in that you can’t acknowledge what the world knows.
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:35 pmTifosa, you’re being unusually ghastly.
It’s great that Obama made the unbelievably easy call, 17 hours after it was offered to him, to take out Osama Bin Laden. But the real fight was finding him. The real fight was won in interrogation and in Iraq.
The idea Bush at some point said ‘no, don’t get Osama Bin Laden’ is ridiculous.
But you know that. What you want, so badly, is to be nasty, especially when it’s clearly not appropriate. Then you giggle about how nasty you were.
That’s all you’ve got, and it’s very, very sad.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:38 pmtiffy can’t wait to grow up to be just like his hero, Barry.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:46 pmHe’s already got the obfuscation and strawman gathering down pat.
At the Flight 93 memorial yesterday, former President George W Bush and former President Bill Clinton stood side-by-side with Vice President Joe Biden. At the World Trade Center site this morning, former President Bush stood with President Barack Obama. This was not some partisan rally, nor a division between Republicans and Democrats; it was a day to honor those who were killed, and the sacrifice of those who tried to rescue the men and women trapped in the towers.
That Dr Krugman couldn’t see this tells you how small his vision is.
If I happen to step in a pile of dog crap today, I will have stepped on something more valuable than Paul Krugman.
The bipartisan Dana (f68855) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:48 pmAnd, more substantial!
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:51 pmIt takes willful blindness as is exhibited here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/us/12obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:52 pmhttp://foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Tora_Bora_Report.pdf Very interesting report. Not to mention: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTwsMEiI0g “I uh hehe am truly not concerned about him.”
“Read my lips NO. NEW. TEXANS” ;^)
tifosa (25222a) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:55 pmTiffy ruthlessly savaged that straw person. Who hear disputed that OBarcky authorized the operation? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:57 pmTiffyis a hate-filled ghoul,using the backdrop of 9/11 to childishly try to cast blame, point fingers,obfuscate, and lie. You disgust me.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 3:58 pmtiffy loves him some roast cow-pie.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:00 pmI was moved to see the Obamas and Bushes together at Ground Zero. It was a reminder of what we have in common as Americans, regardless of party.
angeleno (49baf0) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:05 pmTwo Presidents paying homage:
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:11 pmOne because he wanted to;
the other because it was expected.
#3, Milhouse – I had not seen that before. Thank you.
htom (412a17) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:12 pmtiffy must be loving Obama’s illegal war in Libya and the stepped up drone strikes in Pakistan. Cognitive dissonance is tiffy’s middle name.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:17 pmWhy Daley, that’s so different! It also presumes that trolls, well, think.
That’s not why they post.
Simon Jester (a6b385) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:29 pmAngeleno is right.
It’s great that there’s more to us than our political party. It’s a good day to put aside the arrows.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:53 pmWell said Angeleno………………………means something special[in a good way] coming from you.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:56 pmYes, Dustin, you are correct. I would only add that a certain troll has been posting specifically to stir things up. But on this day, of all days, we should remember.
And that Krugman is a braying jackass.
Simon Jester (0f6e93) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:57 pmRead my lips………….no new community organizers.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 4:58 pmReligious stereotypes are fun tifosa……………..unless its islam.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 5:02 pmBush, in that video you linked, also said, “The idea of focusing on just one man indicates that people don’t understand the scope of the mission.”
It’s not that Bush was unconcerned with OBL, it’s that Bush recognized there was a lot more to AQ — and to global terrorism as a whole — than just OBL.
Chuck Bartowski (e84e27) — 9/11/2011 @ 5:19 pmOff topic, maybe, but the blood-sucking motherf*ckers who put together these exploitative, statue-of-liberty, singing-to-the-firefighters commercials – and that’s what they are, commercials, not memorials – should be tried for war profiteering. Verizon and State Farm have heaped ignominy all over themselves.
The same exact commercial, paid for by the City of New York (for instance), would be about a thousand times less offensive.
They closed service at my church today with Amazing Grace on a bagpipe. There’s nothing quite so solemn, I don’t think. I wanted to cry.
Leviticus (b85154) — 9/11/2011 @ 5:34 pmNow now Simon no need to insult braying jackasses by comparing them to Tifosas lover.
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 5:35 pmOur friends on the left have a real problem
They seem to think that they must lift the quill
Even if it means writing pure pablum
They can’t stand the thought of fighting evil
They can’t even stand to honor the dead
If ‘twould support those who are on the right
The memo’s been sent and it has been read
‘Tis Republicans that they have to fight!
They would support Islamists who hate them
Rather than anything c’nected to Bush.
Freedom? They scoff as they write with the pen
Though it proves that their brains are just plain mush.
But even for them, our soldiers are one,
The Sonnet Avenger (f68855) — 9/11/2011 @ 5:55 pmThey’ll fight for what’s right until we have won!
Adults knew that when Bush said he wasn’t concerned about OBL that there were multiple reasons for that statement. To not exaggerate the prowess and reputation of an enemy (the Rommel effect), and to keep focus on what he was focused upon, which was knocking back terrorist movements as a whole.
Kindergarteners like tifosa of course don’t understand a word.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/11/2011 @ 6:04 pmChuck 112 and SPQR 116 are speaking as adults, while tiffy is having a pubic temper tantrum on 9/11.
JD (318f81) — 9/11/2011 @ 6:29 pmhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035949/9-11-anniversary-Haig-Melkessetian-real-life-James-Bond-stopped-terror-attacks.html
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 6:37 pmInteresting story ian, and the comments to it are straight out of HuffPo.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:14 pmWhat did those huff puff wannabes say now?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:16 pmWell, the usual crap.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:20 pmOne guy had the timeline backwards, and said the attacks were in retribution for the West invading Afghanistan and Iraq.
Among other things, they say that 9/11 was caused by the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, (due to time travel)
ian cormac (d69b60) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:21 pmNo I thought 9-11 was caused by psoriasis?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:23 pmYou have to think that the educational system in the UK is even worse than it is here.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:25 pmAnd these are the accomplished ones, they know how to use a computer.
UK?
Where smoking is a crime against humanity?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 7:35 pmYeah, my mayor here in 90242 has proposed a city ordinance to ban all outdoor smoking – it is not being accepted all that well.
Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (379fae) — 9/11/2011 @ 8:14 pmHow long before they ban factories so there can be no acid rain?
DohBiden (d54602) — 9/11/2011 @ 9:45 pmI don’t know that he did. There was certainly a lot of speculation at the time that Panetta authorised it behind 0bama’s back.
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 10:58 pmHave you ever harked to the jackass wild,
Which scientists call the onager?
It sounds like the laugh of an idiot child,
Or a hepcat on the harmoniger.
But do not sneer at the jackass wild,
There’s a method to his hee-haw;
For with maidenly blush and accent mild,
The jenny-ass answers: shee-haw.
— Ogden Nash
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:02 pmNo, it’s a perfectly understandable error. After all, the invasion of Afghanistan happened in late September or early October 2001, and they keep reading that the terrorist attacks happened on 9/11, which was more than a month later! It’s hardly their fault that Americans insist on putting the month before the day, and thus confusing them….
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:07 pmI’ve got a better idea. Just ban the acid rain itself. Declare it illegal. Surely it will then go away, just as banning guns makes them go away…
Milhouse (ea66e3) — 9/11/2011 @ 11:09 pm