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“I think it’s just another example of the prejudice that he’s been exposed to,” Galligan said.

WTF. Major Hasan already knows all the banks are controlled by the Joooooos.

daleyrocks (940075) — 7/29/2010 @ 10:04 pm

“prejudice”

LOL, more like postjudice.

You can’t possibly claim this Hasan is guilty of people treating him worse than they should if they understood what they were dealing with.

He’s being paid. Lovely. They have an open and shut case and he is competent to stand trial. Why is he still alive?

It really burns me up that Hasan was US Army. And that PFC Manning who I keep seeing in class As (and you can tell by how he carries them that he’s no soldier).

I could elaborate on my views, but I’m less balanced than usual when I think about all those Ft Hood troops who didn’t have the chance to defend themselves.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/29/2010 @ 10:19 pm

You can’t possibly claim this Hasan is guilty of people treating him worse than they should if they understood what they were dealing with.

Rather, You can’t say anyone else is guilty of treating Hasan worse than he deserves.

It’s a free country. I wouldn’t want to trade with this guy, either.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/29/2010 @ 10:20 pm

Oh, I dunno! Could he not be suspended without pay, seeing as he is not performing any duties currently? Not that he ever really did. If I work for another gubmint entity, say the DMV, and I am banged up awaiting trial, would I still be paid. I doubt it. Stupidity on stilts.

Gazzer (7ce6e6) — 7/29/2010 @ 10:47 pm

“I think it’s just another example of the prejudice that he’s been exposed to,” Galligan said.

Wow, now there is a barrister who certainly needs a double dose of STFU. I clearly understand the need for defense lawyers, and I know it can be a thankless job, but of all the stupid things to say. . .

JVW (a52530) — 7/29/2010 @ 11:09 pm

I can’t believe the Army does not have a credit union and our soldiers need to have a bank to get their pay. Reminds me of the banker in “Stagecoach” — “The payroll should be deposited six months in advance”. Which general(s) got a bribe from the banking industry for this policy?

nk (db4a41) — 7/29/2010 @ 11:16 pm

maybe one of the payday loan places in Waco will set him up, for a small fee.

bradnsa (ddf75a) — 7/29/2010 @ 11:37 pm

One day we’ll learn the appropriate lesson regarding taking someone prisoner.

People's Front of Judea (aefe1c) — 7/29/2010 @ 11:53 pm

Can’t imagine that he couldn’t get an account at the Pentagon Credit Union, though Sec. Gates might have to co-sign for him.

AD - RtR/OS! (3c90d0) — 7/29/2010 @ 11:58 pm

Well, he can’t accept interest as that is usery. Why not just deposit it in an account for victim’s survivors ? Of course the lawyer has to get his share.

Mike K (0ef8c3) — 7/30/2010 @ 12:00 am

I wonder how BoA connected the dots? Someone was on the ball.

bradnsa (3cbaf4) — 7/30/2010 @ 12:16 am

Well toughski shitski as they say in the Russian Marines. I do think that the Army could arrange an escrow account in the Army Credit Union to put the cash in. But I’m glad to see that the Bank of America is on the ball for once.

But I’m holding my breath anticipating that one of George Soros’s banking partners may step in and relieve the situation for poor Major Nidal Hassan.

Mike Myers (3c9845) — 7/30/2010 @ 3:34 am

Oh how I adore my central Texas neighbors. Did he try College Station yet? Can only imagine the phone conversations.

Cry me a river Mr. Galligan.

em (ae4747) — 7/30/2010 @ 4:06 am

Oh how I adore my central Texas neighbors. Did he try College Station yet? Can only imagine the phone conversations.

I’m sure the bank in Hearne would help him. Hearne sucks.

Bradnsa (980254) — 7/30/2010 @ 4:13 am

I’m with Gazzer, the issue shouldn’t be where he cashes his check, it should be why he is still getting paid.

On a semi-related note, this is akin to government employees getting into legal trouble and being allowed to retire with their pension.

steve (369bc6) — 7/30/2010 @ 5:26 am

Even if this guys does “slip through the cracks”, I have no problem with a general rule that our soldiers get their pay until they are no longer soldiers.

Especially after we gave $300 million to Japanese speculators on derivatives.

nk (db4a41) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:00 am

*$300 billion*

nk (db4a41) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:01 am

If he is going to be paid, I think a trackable account would be preferable to giving him paper. Probably wouldn’t be too hard for him to sign and have them handed over to a jihadi pal.

Matador (10518b) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:16 am

You shoot your own countrymen in cold blood, (he doesn’r believe that,) and then they look at you funny

ian cormac (e46147) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:24 am

What strikes me as “news” here shows how long I’ve been out of the military; the requirement for direct deposit. Back in the day, we struggled to get checks rather than cash!

htom (412a17) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:31 am

the Army should just put the money in a trust account until his trial ends. The court can decide the disposal of those funds then.

jakee308 (e1996a) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:33 am

I’m sure there is a Saudi bank he can use…

Dudeman (be5282) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:38 am

This is not a “prejudice” issue. That’s the problem with this poor report.

It is more likely that the banks are reacting to the money laundering statutes and are avoiding liability for holding money associated with terrorists.

SPQR (26be8b) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:40 am

How soon before Eric Holder steps in and forces a “nation of cowards” bank to take the money?

Patricia (358f54) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:12 am

I’ll make sure his money gets deposited. I’ll just need to meet with him alone for a few minutes to hammer out a few details. Afterwards, I’ll shoot him a memo to put the matter to rest.

PatriotRider (17f47b) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:24 am

Until he is convicted, he is still a soldier and innocent. They can’t take money from him without either judicial or non-judicial conviction.

And yes, there is a military Credit Union on all Forts. Maybe they don’t want to do business with Hassan either. I had a soldier whose credit was so screwed up they couldn’t get a bank account. We did manage to get checks issued. It’s more of getting permission to do it, rather than any technical difficulty in doing so.

SGT Ted (fa9b46) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:25 am

NK # 6

I can’t believe the Army does not have a credit union and our soldiers need to have a bank to get their pay

The Army has better things to do than run a bank, too. There are several different banks and credit unions around every post. A soldier can even use one in his hometown, or one like USAA that is based out of offices in Texas, allowing you to keep the same account wherever you go (and soldiers “go” about every two years, from one post to another).

Direct deposit has helped soldiers do a better job of managing their money, too…a wad of $20 bills on payday led to WAY too much opportunity to do something stupid. It also releived the Army of the need for losing an entire day to dole out pay, and the security team and pay officer’s time to conduct the payouts. That time is better spent, say, training.

If the Army set up it’s own banking system, it would likely be fraught with the same bureaucratic inefficiencies the supply system has…and people would (rightly) complain the governement was doing private sector work. I, for one, would not use an “Army bank” if it existed.

Virtual Insanity (1d2640) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:30 am

Boo hoo. I’m gettin’ all misty-eyed over here for poor, poor Major Jihadi…

Frank Drebbin (8096f2) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:38 am

Looks to me like the Skipper needs to hit Galligan with his hat again.

PCachu (e072b7) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:44 am

I’ll echo Dustin: why is Mr. Potato Head still alive?

gp (72be5d) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:44 am

29.I’ll echo Dustin: why is Mr. Potato Head still alive?

Lack of gun control.

PatriotRider (17f47b) — 7/30/2010 @ 7:46 am

Sounds like his lawyer is prepping for something along the lines of the infamous Menendez brothers defense.

Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/30/2010 @ 8:07 am

It’s a cliché that Chutzpah is personified as killing your parents and then pleading for mercy based on the fact you are an orphan. But its really hard to distinguish that from this Galligan idiot saying he suffers from prejudice based on the little fact that he murdered his own colleagues in jihad.

And the fact he is clearly guilty but still gets a paycheck is an example of the political correctness that allowed him to carry out his spree in the first place. I mean, hell, they are even talking about making an exception for him, to the direct deposit rule—that is, they are attempting to accommodate the fact he can’t get a bank account, on account of the fact that he murdered OUR SOLDIERS. You know, because lord knows, what did he do to deserve this kind of suffering?

The army has been given a beautiful loophole in order to avoid paying the idiot, and they are not taking it. Amazing.

Hey press corps! If you can spare a moment from sucking up, how about your bring this to Robert Gibbs’ attention and demand an answer to this. maybe for once the president can intervene… and help a situation.

Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997) — 7/30/2010 @ 8:55 am

Any bank that deals with him could theoretically be accused of violating various terrorist banking statutes, no matter how stupid it is in this particular case.

luagha (5cbe06) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:22 am

Nidal is toast, one way or another.

But our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have wives and children, here, who need shelter, clothing, and food.

The “direct deposit” thing bothers me. Is it to save some clerical costs?

(BTW, I think the “problem” with Nidal opening a bank account is banking rules — you have to sign the signature card in person. It’s been around since at least January, 1986.)

nk (db4a41) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:23 am

“But our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have wives and children, here, who need shelter, clothing, and food.

The “direct deposit” thing bothers me. Is it to save some clerical costs?”

It’s actually for the good of those wives and kids, nk. Part of your initial entry, before you actually get into basic and are assigned a drill instructor, involves setting up a bank account. They give you a debit card with a bit of money deducted from your first check, which is direct deposited. If you already have a bank account, you fill out a direct deposit form. if you don’t, you’re basically issued a checking account.

Every installation has a bank. Most have credit unions. the Navy has a really good one (even for other branches to use).

In short, you’re right that it’s critical that our troops not have to worry about making deposits or dealing with this kind of problem when they are in combat. And they don’t, for the most part, until their spouse messes up. Direct deposit is an extremely good thing.

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of a soldier unable to get an account. Most banks jump at those direct deposit forms, but I guess holding a terrorist’s money is a tougher prospect.

I grant the idea that until he’s really convicted, it’s wrong to punish him. I’m annoyed that he hasn’t been convicted yet. This case should go to trial now, and the prosecution should press for an execution. He can worry about his money from hell.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:34 am

Hey, if he had a matricular counselor card, Wells Fargo (and BofA) would have no trouble opening an account for him. They would probably also provide the paperwork to get him a Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN).

And, Yes, direct deposit is to save costs with the printing and processing of checks.

When I was overseas in the early 60’s, we were paid in cash:
Paymaster’s table;
Club table (to pay monthly dues and tab);
Unit table (to pay your “Porter” fees and laundry tab).
Then, with what you had left, you could try to pay down your “barracks banker” account, and hope that you could get through to the next payday without taking out anymore “loans”.

AD - RtR/OS! (595de0) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:36 am

And, Yes, direct deposit is to save costs with the printing and processing of checks.

I think that this isn’t completely true. Making sure that money winds up in an account every two weeks (or once a month) simply works better. It’s the freakin’ military, so of course it’s paternalistic about this sort of thing, but direct deposit is especially good for soldiers with families. Even those who are not deployed.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:43 am

As a member of the USCG-Aux, any expense re-imbursements due to members must be direct-deposited.
I think that at this point, virtually all Federal disbursements are handled in this manner:
It’s cheaper, faster, and more secure.

AD - RtR/OS! (595de0) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:47 am

It’s cheaper, faster, and more secure.

Comment by AD – RtR/OS!

And more effective for getting money to families and preventing some financial mistakes (only partially, but it’s make a real difference IMO).

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:49 am

That’s what I meant about it not being the complete truth. Not that you’re wrong, but that the justification is more than just what you pointed out. Sorry I was unclear.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 10:50 am

Hmmm, BofA would gladly take his money if he was an illegal alie…errr…displaced foreign traveler.

Joe mama (53e1f3) — 7/30/2010 @ 11:12 am

Can’t they just direct deposit to CAIR or to some Democrat re-election fund?

kansas (7b4374) — 7/30/2010 @ 11:29 am

#34 nk:

The “direct deposit” thing bothers me. Is it to save some clerical costs?

Not just “some” clerical costs…but millions and millions.

The services essentially went directly from paying cash on the barrelhead (or, in the case of the Navy, cash in cap) to direct deposit…and never really implemented paying by check on a regular basis. And as Dustin and A.D. have already mentioned, there are a number of advantages to direct deposit that have to do with dealing with the younger members who may not have had the time and experience to develop financial awareness and fiscal responsibility.

Checks are available for special purposes, but are the exception rather than the rule.

EW1(SG) (edc268) — 7/30/2010 @ 11:57 am

Mike K steal thunder
money should be placed in
victim fund account

ColonelHaiku (ac3c3c) — 7/30/2010 @ 1:19 pm

to accommodate the fact he can’t get a bank account, on account of the fact that he murdered OUR SOLDIERS

Please – you mean to say the alleged murderer of our soldiers. After all, there were only about a dozen eyewitnesses to his carnage, and after all, who are we to judge?

Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/30/2010 @ 1:28 pm

BTW, looking forward to watching him get executed by a firing squad, propped up on a wood board. Shades of the movie “Paths of Glory,” except for the innocence part.

Dmac (d61c0d) — 7/30/2010 @ 1:29 pm

send off to begin
his search for most elusive
virgin seven three

ColonelHaiku (ac3c3c) — 7/30/2010 @ 1:46 pm

I make the points I do about Nidals pay because the law requires the Army to pay him until conviction. They have no choice in the matter.

SGT Ted (fa9b46) — 7/30/2010 @ 2:11 pm

You’re right, SGT Ted. Except Nidal Hasan is failing to comply with the regulations. He needs to set up a direct deposit account.

If no one on Earth is willing to trade with him, that’s not a crime. It’s not an injustice. He’s just a scumbag terrorist. He’s absolutely guilty and no one doubts it, and no one should help him if they can avoid it. Shun him.

He’s getting world class medical care for the damage he is responsible for doing himself. I guess that’s only decent of us. But it’s ridiculous this case hasn’t reached a verdict and sentence ages ago.

The best solution I can think of is for the victims to sue for millions and for his pay to be garnished.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 2:23 pm

Why does Hasan need money anyway? Aren’t we all footing his bills? And yes, we citizens of Central Texas are tired of Galligan’s incessant whining.

Beth in Texas (539905) — 7/30/2010 @ 2:34 pm

Galligan is doing a tough job and I don’t fault him. It’s a little absurd in the micro to say this guy, who we all know is horrible, deserves any patience or a zealous advocate. but it’s a good thing that people accused of awful things can have a defender to ensure the charges are proven.

But this case shouldn’t take more than a day. Charge him with one of the murders, line up witnesses to show he did it, and let the defense say he deserves pity. Then put this devil in the ground.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 2:56 pm

Then put this devil in the ground

Haiku say go all
General Pershing on ass
bury him with pigs

ColonelHaiku (ac3c3c) — 7/30/2010 @ 3:18 pm

I have to agree with the guys who suspect this has something to do with the banking requirements of the Patriot Act.

That’s the first thing I thought of when I read the complete article, and his mouthpiece is quoted saying he has “family obligations.”

The question naturally arises, who’s going to be accessing these funds?

Steve (180864) — 7/30/2010 @ 3:23 pm

Yes how prejudiced of the Banks not to suck up to a mass murdering jihadi. What is this world coming to?

eaglewingz08 (74f660) — 7/30/2010 @ 3:41 pm

This is not about money. This is about our Nations refusal to accept Islams teaching from Allahs prophet Mohammmememedd.This clown would have been torn to shreds by the faithful if he was a christian who said or did anything against Islam.His death would be a warning. Muslims around the world are laughing at our “fairness” and see us as weak and useless. They will not stop unless they are stopped. Islam as practiced by Hassan is responsible for these deaths. There is no other reason.Kill this POS.

highpockets (d30edb) — 7/30/2010 @ 5:07 pm

Oh, I dunno! Could he not be suspended without pay, seeing as he is not performing any duties currently? Not that he ever really did. If I work for another gubmint entity, say the DMV, and I am banged up awaiting trial, would I still be paid. I doubt it. Stupidity on stilts.

Hasan is technically on active duty status.

The Army expects that his pay will be forfeited when he is convicted.

Michael Ejercito (249c90) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:07 pm

The Army expects that his pay will be forfeited when he is convicted.

Comment by Michael Ejercito —

Well, it seems to me that he could be convicted in a week if they wanted him to be.

If he manages to transfer his money to his nasty friends abroad, that money will be used to do the same think Hasan did: kill our soldiers. The US should ask for a freeze on his assets.

Dustin (b54cdc) — 7/30/2010 @ 6:43 pm

How about putting the money into an escrow account, and after he’s convicted, executed and cremated, hold a big Texas pulled-pork BBQ complete with exotic dancing girls and a big banner saying, “This event paid for by Jihadi Hasan, the only good deed he ever did.”

Zev (650035) — 7/31/2010 @ 10:10 am

I think I have the solution to his problems.

Lawrence Person (1dfa58) — 7/31/2010 @ 11:51 pm

Ahh, yes. Bank of America, the bank that accepts Matricula Consular papers as identification from illegal aliens (who are by their very nature, felons), but gets all hands on hips righteous about keeping an account open for another felon.

the friendly grizzly (2f59a6) — 8/1/2010 @ 10:16 am

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