Does Chief Beck Speak for LAPD Officers on SB 1070?
[Guest post by Jack Dunphy]
No, he doesn’t. I explain today on Pajamas Media. A sample:
In criticizing SB 1070, Chief Beck was most emphatically not speaking on behalf of most LAPD officers, but rather on behalf of the mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, who selected Beck as chief and whose position on illegal immigration is well known. Whatever Beck’s true opinions on these issues might be, if they differ one iota from the mayor’s, he took care to keep those differences to himself during the interviews leading up to his appointment.
Read the whole thing.
–Jack Dunphy
This past Wednesday, June 9, I parked my car on the side of a quiet country road while I was dropping off my daughter at her daycamp.
When I came back, there was a police car behind my car. I smiled and nodded to the officer.
He got out of the car and asked, “Is this your car, sir?”
I said, “Yes”.
He said, “Your sticker expired on November, 2009”.
I said, “It must have fallen off or I forgot to put the new one on”.
He said, “It did not fall off. I ran your license plate and it is expired”.
He did not inquire about my immigration status.
I drove eight miles to the nearest Secretary of State’s facility. A lady behind a counter looked up my plate, on her computer, and said “Your plates are currently registered through November, 2010. I can give you a replacement sticker for $20.00”.
I said, “Yes, please”.
Police officers can create reasonable cause whenever they want to even if it’s never been there.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:57 amnk is worried that police officers may find lawbreakers. If his example is true then he is implying either that the officer was lying or that the states system was not working properly. And his “can create reasonable cause” indicates that he is implying the officer lied. I don’t buy it. In my state if a person is caught driving with expired plates said plates are confiscated on the spot and the officer remains with the vehicle and operator until a tow truck arrives to remove the vehicle. (The operator may have the vehicle towed to his residence. The vehicle is not necassarily impounded as a vehicle is not required to be registered if it is not being operated. And this scenario happened to one of my subordinates at work three weeks ago.)
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:02 amStreet cops know the true price of illegal immigration as they have to deal with it daily. Beck is out of touch with reality.
Stan Switek (da562a) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:23 amIn PA having expired registration will get you a ticket for about $120 that will be refunded if you get it renewed within 10 days (or so).
Around Philly it is common for people to steal the yearly stickers off of the plate. Some of us slice the sticker into itsy-bitsy pieces with a razor blade, so if someone tries to peal it off it will not be so easy.
I would be a be ticked-off at the officer for lying to me and being a jerk about it. At best, he tried to run it and the computer system was down and he couldn’t tell, but he simplified his story for expediency sake. Assuming the officer gave you a ticket, your choice is how much time and energy you want to spend to make a point. If he didn’t, I guess he wasn’t being such a jerk after all.
I would tell the fellow I have friends in the DA’s office, with a steely stare. (So what if it’s the LA DA’s office). 😉
As long as there are any laws that are routinely not strictly enforced, such as complete stops at a stop sign, the police can easily find a reason to stop you (per my son the Philly officer).
As far as what does this mean in Arizona? It means that if they wanted to use the new law to go after jaywalking abuelitas on the way to get ice cream to deport them, they will be pretty busy, so I don’t think that’s what they have in mind.
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:23 amThe whole point is they don’t have any type of citizenship, or any legal justification for being here.
The immigration process is a mess. My wife is an immigrant and has been a citizen for nearly 20 years now. My two daughters are immigrants, and the process to get and keep them here legally was a travesty, but we did it. I’m in full support of reforming the process, but 100% against any amnesty. If the people who ignored and broke the law end up with the same or higher status as my wife and daughters, we have no rule-of-law.
Secure the borders, deport every illegal alien found here (they’re not immigrants if they don’t follow the law) as soon as possible, and let other countries call us racist (or some people call the police fascists) all they wish. They’re going to anyway.
Stashiu3 (44da70) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:24 amMD in Philly – In Connecticut the sticker came prescored/sliced to make removal impossible. So the people stealing them would simply score the right side of the plate between the last two digits and simply snap it off. This also made the plate functionally useless as it removed the last digit of the registration. At my last place of employment you could find on any given day between 5 and 10 plates so damaged.
The states answer was to make the sticker larger and have it placed on the lower left corner of the windshield. This makes it much harder for officers to check and compliance is terrible. So many cars do not display the sticker I can not even come up with an estimate of a percentage.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:42 amQuestion for Californeans (especially CA law officers). I have heard that if a California Officer pulls over a driver for an infraction and the person does not have a drivers license and is of hispanic appearance then in some jurisdictions the policy is to let them proceed (after possibly issueing a ticket in the name of whatever the driver tells them with no ID to back it up). The rationale being that to take enforcement action against a person of hispanic decent for not having ID/drivers licenxe puts the Officer in danger of running afoul of various “sanctuary” policies.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 7:50 amIn Indiana you have a paper registration that has the plate and sticker info on it to show the officer.
I ought to type You (996c34) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:26 amnk:
If you read 1070 carefully, you should note that it plainly states that if the police are caught racially profiling, they face stiff penalties. Career over!
I think Beck is a policeman turned politician. His boss is a pro-illegal immigration Latino and opposes 1070. If the Chief wants to keep his position (which obviously, he does) he will tow the line. Take his word as you would any other politician, with a grain of salt.
The arguments against the Arizona immigration law are all soft. They never cite a specific provision because they can’t. Opponents all claim they have not read the law, but claim it is racist (anti-Latino) or anti-immigrant when it is aimed at illegal immigrants and criminals. Does any reasonable person really believe Holder and Obama haven’t read a 16 page document at the center of this political debate?
arch (24f4f2) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:47 am#5 Stashiu3:
I spent about a week prior to turning the Canal Zone back over to Panama down at the embassy attempting to help a friend navigate the bulls–eaucracy. Several days were spent standing in line out on the sidewalk in the full almost the entire day, with maybe 5 or 10 minutes actually spent finding out that there was another form that the relatives in Miami where supposed to send.
By the end of the week, I can see where the thought of blowing up an Embassy might have a certain attraction.
Real reform, not amnesty.
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:51 am“Find everything you can about Glenn Beck, Stu Burguiere, and Roger Ailes. Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience and have a dedicated email address to accept leads, tips, contacts, on Beck, his radio producer Burguiere, and the chief of his tv enablers, Ailes.”
Imagine what would have happened if a conservative commentator had mounted a campaign trying to silence a commentator critical of the President during the Bush years.
Jess (00ded8) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:53 am#10 EW1: … in the full sun almost …
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:53 am#2
If the tag says 2009, the cop gets to go fishing.
If memory serves, they can legally tell you a little lie like “I ran your plate”.
Having expired tags, equipment violations, failure to signal are like sending invitations to screw with you.
nk of course knows all this, but it is one of the most irritating cop things law abiding citizens deal with.
For the cops its just a “let’s see what this turns up” as they see you stuffing a meth pipe into the center console while trying not to exhale. Then they look in the trunk and somewhere your bail bondsman gets a warm fuzzy feeling.
Here on the south coast of Santa Barbara County the police impound the car for 30 days or a licensed/insured driver can come and pay the impound fee.
SteveG (7d4c78) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:00 amThe police routinely run sobriety checkpoints and get 5-1 unlicensed and uninsured to driving while impaired. Sometimes they get the trifecta. Most, if not all the unlicensed and uninsured will be hispanics who will likely be illegal aliens.
Our paper runs a police blotter and routinely notes that an immigration hold was placed on an arrestee with a hispanic surname.
On a practical level, I really don’t see the difference between what we do here in deep blue, liberal Santa Barbara and what Arizona is doing when it comes to police work.
The real difference as I read the Arizona law is that officials and municipalities can be sued for not enforcing the law, which will effect so called sanctuary cities in AZ
I don’t know where nk lives but, in California and Arizona, you get a paper registration form that is a duplicate of the pink slip. It is the law that it has to be in the vehicle. If someone stole your plate sticker, you show the policeman that up-to-date registration form. It should be in your glove box like mine is, along with the last five years forms, too.
Did you forget ? Did he ? Or is your story bulls**t ?
Mike K (82f374) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:13 amnk lives in Cook Co IL!
“…Police officers can create reasonable cause whenever they want to even if it’s never been there…”
What is “reasonable cause“?
AD - RtR/OS! (c1f0da) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:24 amThe law in AZ states “reasonable suspicion”, and I’m pretty sure that is defined in case law that has been up to SCOTUS, as has the definition of “probable cause”.
Is reasonable cause a mid-point between the two, or is nk just popping something out his backside?
Where I worked in the nineties I was on third shift (2300 to 0700) and in one of our mandatory posts we had a Atate Police radio tuned to the frequency for the northeast and central east areas of Connecticut. I would estimate that 1/3 to 1/2 of all plates we heard run (for whatever reason) came back expired, revoked or stolen. Approximately the same numbers for drivers licenses. Acording to Troopers I spoke with most of the revocations were for DUI and the subsequent stops were for the same. There is a hard core of people who will not stop going out to get hammered and drive home, revoking registrations and licenses does not affect them.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:27 amChief Beck is a shameful pandering sell out, to both the Rule of Law and the CITIZENS of LA/Cal/America. Special Order 40 (a Daryl Gates creation) is an insane affront to respect, responsibility, and reason, that has undermined the Rule of Law, solved no problems but instead spawned them (i.e. created bogus “Sanctuary cities” – actually “Secession cities” paving the road to anarchy), given us nothing – but MORE illegal immigration/immigrants and MORE crime, and created parallel universes – that inevitably will result in battle lines being drawn and where we must collide & crash into each other in chaos & calamity. See HBO’s 1997 movie “The Second Civil War”.
Special Order 40 and sanctuary cities fly in the face of reason and the real Rule of Law. They must end. Arizona’s SB 1070 is a simple example of the Natural Law doctrine of self help, indisputably caused by decades of deceit, denial, duplicitiy, dysfunction and dereliction of duty by the federal gov’t (all branches) and scores of cowardly gov’t officials from both parties (at all levels, city, county, state & fed) and big corporate bandits.
SB 1070 is a courageous attempt to return to reality and the real Rule of Law. Go Arizona – they need our support. Just as with Idaho in “The Second Civil War”, other states are here now joining up with Arizona. Chief Beck can not continue to kick the can down the road – we have run out of road. He needs to look in the mirror and ask himself: What have I become? How & why am I doing this? am I going to be part of the solution? or part of the problem? There can only be 1 Rule of Law. GLZ.
Gary L. Zerman (8a40d9) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:27 amnk’s main objection to the Arizona law seems to be that Arizona police will engage in the kind of profiling, no-probable-cause stops, and other abuses that nk knows that police already engage in …
Run that logic by me again?
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/12/2010 @ 10:05 amVillaraigosa
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/12/2010 @ 10:13 amnarcissist go down in flames
after diddle staff
In Illinois, you are not required to have your registration for a private vehicle carrying with less than a ten-passenger capacity. And I don’t know whether my sticker came off in the car wash, somebody stole it, or I never put it on. But it was paid for and my plates were valid. And maybe the system was down or the officer misprinted a digit or whatever. But he had excusable if not to my mind reasonable cause to question me. That was my point.
How about another example. Chicago police get a phone call that there’s a black man with a gun at a very fancy Chicago restaurant. They rush there with guns drawn. It was the Chicago Superintendent of police out to dinner with his wife. Happened about thirty years ago.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 10:42 amAny 911 dispatcher getting a call about a man (of whatever race) with a gun in a public place should ask if the man is waving it around and threatening people. If they are told that the man is not, they should remind the caller about the 2nd Amendment and that Americans have the right to carry weapons. And then hang up.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 10:47 amChallenge me on gun savvy, not on criminal law, AD. http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/reasonable-cause.html
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 10:58 amHey, I was just asking a question.
AD - RtR/OS! (c1f0da) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:08 amThe AZ law specifically cites “reasonable suspicion”, without any mention of “reasonable cause”, or “probable cause”.
If I can read the law, would it be too much to ask that a lawyer (US AG’s & President’s obviously excepted) to do likewise?
Re: post #1… obey the law and your problem doesn’t exist. A sticker won’t fall off, wash off or forget to apply itself to the license plate.
GeneralMalaise (79bc23) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:12 amYes, in AZ, the registration is supposed to be in the car. Doesn’t matter how large the car or how many people in it. Even 22 illegals.
It seems every time I watch “Cops” or “Speeders”, the first thing the driver is asked is for a license, registration and proof of insurance. I would think that would be the same everywhere. But what do I know. I live in this racist state of Arizona.
PatAZ (9d1bb3) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:33 amDoes any one have an answer for my question in #7. Does the “sancuary policy” in some jurisdictions give a pass to illegals for certain infractions.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:45 am#26 & #7… Bell Gardens and Huntington Park police departments.
Stan Switek (da562a) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:58 amThere are some jurisdictions who could not handle the initial volume too.
I’m sure LAPD and LASO have certain areas where they would be inundated with beat up cars and immigration holds and the more dangerous crimes would go uncovered.
Santa Ana wouldn’t be any different. Same goes for Oxnard.
People who live in other areas of the US have no idea of the sheer volume of illegal alien, unlicensed, uninsured drivers there are in Southern California..
SteveG (7d4c78) — 6/12/2010 @ 2:20 pmI did hear anecdotal stories that the “don’t go to work days” the illegals held last year made significant improvements in the traffic situation in Southern CA.
Have Blue (854a6e) — 6/12/2010 @ 2:23 pm“… significant improvements …”
You would not believe it without the video.
AD - RtR/OS! (c1f0da) — 6/12/2010 @ 3:20 pm#29.) Factual. Traffic was noticeably lighter on those dates.
Stan Switek (da562a) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:05 pmThe AZ law specifically cites “reasonable suspicion”, without any mention of “reasonable cause”, or “probable cause”.
If I can read the law, would it be too much to ask that a lawyer (US AG’s & President’s obviously excepted) to do likewise?
Comment by AD – RtR/OS! — 6/12/2010 @ 11:08 am
There’s reasonable cause for the initial stop for running a stop sign or having a bad plate or being a n****r on a sunny day, and then there’s reasonable suspicion after being stopped and questioned that you’re a wetback too.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:21 pmDon’t be asking me to accept Arizona’s politician’s legal terms.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:28 pmYou talking to me about the law, AD, is like me telling you that the 1912 .37 Caliber Colt Government shoots a 770 grain uranium enriched bullet at four thousand feet per millisecond.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:34 pmThere’s reasonable cause for the initial stop for running a stop sign or having a bad plate or being a n****r on a sunny day, and then there’s reasonable suspicion after being stopped and questioned that you’re a wetback too.
nk, with regard to AZ and 1070, your position automatically assumes the worst of the Arizona law enforcement officers.
It’s ironic because these are the very people allowed to carry a weapon and kill people.
They are the people that are compelled to make split second decisions about life or death and considering there aren’t mass murders taking place by said law enforcement officers, it would seem they generally make sound decisions with good judgment.
So what makes you assume that across the board, they will be making dreadful judgment calls when 1070 goes into effect?
Dana (1e5ad4) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:40 pmPolice (and politics) demand the best people and attract the worst? Or, they do their duty and their duty is to arrest them and let the lawyers sort them out?
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:46 pmwetback?
wasn’t that from back before the Beatles?
SteveG (7d4c78) — 6/12/2010 @ 4:51 pmChief Beck’s greatest leadership claim to fame thus far has come when he allowed long sleeve uniforms to be worn without the tradtional tie. Whoopee.
When his officers look to him for real leadership, to support the rule of law and our Democratic process, he promotes falsehoods and hysteria as he speaks out against the legally enacted law of a Sovereign State.
For what? To play lap dog for Vill-la-bozo. Chief Beck is just turning into another disgrace in a long line of disgraceful politicians who may once have been honorable street police officers. This should not be a surprise when you look at the overall lack of leadership within the LAPD Command Staff. As for looking at themselves in the mirror, I am sure they have no problem, as they are blinded by the “stars and bars” on their collar. For it is the position they have attained that is the most important to them. Not their character or ability to lead the hard working men and women who continue to perform their duties, often times at great personal cost, even in spite of their Police Managers failings.
When the Chief stands up for what is truly correct, the rule of law, regardless of the political pandering he may then earn the description of honorable.
Rookdick (cd6b1d) — 6/12/2010 @ 5:10 pmnk, that doesn’t answer why you assume the worst about AZ law enforcement, when if we were to look at their record of making split second decisions on whether to shoot or not, etc., there doesn’t seem to be support for the vast majority of them to be compelled to proceed unlawfully.
Police (and politics) demand the best people and attract the worst?
It certainly doesn’t seem fair nor accurate to paint with such a broad brush, as well as disrespectul to those here who are in law enforcement.
Personally, I’ve known several very fine police officers and investigators with strong character, integrity, and a desire to do their jobs the best could. From my small vantage point, it attracts a good number of honorable citizens.
Dana (1e5ad4) — 6/12/2010 @ 5:10 pm“Don’t be asking me to accept Arizona’s politician’s legal terms.”
nk – You don’t have to unless you come under its jurisdiction after it goes into effect next month. Until then we can laugh at you going all Andrew Sullivan over its provisions and making crap up.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/12/2010 @ 5:20 pmwhen do the beatings start?
or the new UFC “immigration hold”?
Maybe they’ll deport my wife for the World Cup so I don’t have to listen to her screaming at the TV at 7AM because the host team goes out to a 1-0 lead over Mexico
SteveG (7d4c78) — 6/12/2010 @ 8:08 pmPersonally, I’ve known several very fine police officers and investigators with strong character, integrity, and a desire to do their jobs the best could. From my small vantage point, it attracts a good number of honorable citizens.
Comment by Dana — 6/12/2010 @ 5:10 pm
Me too. I was one as well for a while. Maybe I should have stayed one. I still wore a blue suit when I chose to be a lawyer.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 9:34 pmI can torelate uniform dress. Never could torelate uniform thought.
nk (db4a41) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:26 pmThere’s reasonable cause for the initial stop for running a stop sign or having a bad plate or being a n****r on a sunny day, and then there’s reasonable suspicion after being stopped and questioned that you’re a wetback too…
Police (and politics) demand the best people and attract the worst? Or, they do their duty and their duty is to arrest them and let the lawyers sort them out?
Should officers of the court be making such bigoted comments?
You, Sir, disgust me!
AD - RtR/OS! (c1f0da) — 6/12/2010 @ 11:28 pmGoddang it, I can only say bad things about white people? That’s what I was doing, anyway.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:37 amI’ve been cited in my town for expired plates and no village sticker at different times. No biggie. That’s the law. My problem but it generates generates revenue for the village.
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:55 amnk,
I’m sorry, I don’t understand your point at all regarding 1070. You seem to have very visceral response to 1070, sort of like happyfeet to Palin.
I think my takeaway is you assume all police officers will racially profile people with brown skin because that’s what policemen consistently do, break the law and go after innocent people.
No matter, either I’m just slow on the draw or too impatient to find my decoder ring to interpret your nuanced code speak. I like things straight up and neat.
Dana (1e5ad4) — 6/13/2010 @ 7:52 amOk. SB 1070 sucks. It is racist and bigoted and un-American. So is Russel Pearce and I suspect also that he likes to have sexual realtions with pigs.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 10:19 amamericans need not
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/13/2010 @ 10:35 amfeel sorry for supporting
enforcement of law
nk anecdotes
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/13/2010 @ 10:41 amsure make zippy the pinhead
look like al einstein
“It is racist and bigoted and un-American.”
Open borders is the only way to go!!!!!11ty!!!!beyotches!!!!!!
daleyrocks (1d0d98) — 6/13/2010 @ 11:06 amSolve the Illegal problem, give legal status to people who have been living here a certain amount of time, with no criminal records and productive and contributing lives. Then you wont have to be crying about illegals or people breaking the law. But when you deny the very thing that you have , the oportunity to fullfill your dreams and be part of a productive society you create a double standard.
Share all of your opinion on all of Arizona’s pressing political issues at http://www.azlegislation.com
Arizona Legislation Community (90cdc0) — 6/13/2010 @ 2:01 pmNo, “Arizona Legislation Community”, amnesty does not “solve” the illegal problem at all. We’ve already proven that with Simpson-Mazzoli decades ago.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/13/2010 @ 2:03 pmpsst…SPQR, are you sure nobody will remember what din’t work 20, 25 years ago?
EW1(SG) (edc268) — 6/13/2010 @ 2:18 pmEW1(SG), wishful thinking, I know.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/13/2010 @ 2:43 pmI wouldn’t mind giving amnesty to 10 million Mexicans so long as we can find a way to deport 10 million public sector workers. We’d get five times the productivity at one fifth the cost.
Seriously, Senator Pearce poisoned the well for me with his two subsequent bills — one to stop funding of classes on Mexican culture and now to deny birth certificates to children of illegals born in Arizona and citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. That’s just hatred — not looking to secure our borders.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:11 pm24.Re: post #1… obey the law and your problem doesn’t exist. A sticker won’t fall off, wash off or forget to apply itself to the license plate. – Comment by GeneralMalaise
Spoken like someone who has never lived in Philadelphia.
I used to always keep registration and insurance in the glove compartment, before I moved to the big city and it was pointed out that a car thief would have resources to try to fake they had “borrowed” the car, but that was long ago in the last century before computerized tag checks. Old habits may be old, but they are still habits.
other areas of the US have no idea of the sheer volume of illegal alien, unlicensed, uninsured drivers there are in Southern California.. – Comment by SteveG
In Philly 50% are simply unlicensed and uninsured, which is why the other 50% pay double the cost of car insurance.
…and I suspect also that he likes to … with pigs. – Comment by nk
That really doesn’t help anyone figure out how to use the decoder ring….
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:43 pmYeah, I know. It’s the lawyer instinct. To hit back hard when challenged.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:47 pmThirty seven Cal.
Colt uranium enriched
New thing this summer
Who knew??
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:52 pmThere was supposed to be an empty line between summer and Who knew??
So please don’t criticize my attempts at poetry. (I don’t take it personally, I take it deeper than that).
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:54 pmNow the format looks right…
MD in Philly (5a98ff) — 6/13/2010 @ 3:56 pm“Oh, bother…” – Eeyore
haiku always thought
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/13/2010 @ 4:00 pmfirst lawyer instinct was kill
other snakes in nest
There was once a guy named Pearce,
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 4:05 pmWho with Mexicans could not live in peace.
He said, “I know it’s unusual,
And most likely unconstitutional,
But I don’t care whose asses I pierce”.
lawyers are tough crowd
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/13/2010 @ 4:09 pminsults often hit the mark
but thick hide protect
thoughts of buggery
ColonelHaiku (79bc23) — 6/13/2010 @ 4:52 pmcross his fragile eggshell mind
nk in June swoon
“An argument to be made about immigrant babies and citizenship…
By George F. Will, The Washington Post,
Sunday, March 28, 2010
A simple reform would drain some scalding steam from immigration arguments that may soon again be at a roiling boil. It would bring the interpretation of the 14th Amendment into conformity with what the authors of its text intended, and with common sense, thereby removing an incentive for illegal immigration…”
Carlos (ebb160) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:04 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032603077.html
I did hear anecdotal stories that the “don’t go to work days” the illegals held last year made significant improvements in the traffic situation in Southern CA.
Comment by Have Blue
We have been trying to organize another one ever since.
Mike K (82f374) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:36 pmWhat a bunch of nonsense. There’s no such thing as anchor babies. American citizen children cannot sponsor their parents for a green card until the children are twenty-one years old. And then the parents still have to wait in line for a green card under their respective countries of origin quotas.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:40 pmStunning your ignorance is.
Yoda (ebb160) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:55 pmSo then use The Force and set me straight.
nk (db4a41) — 6/13/2010 @ 5:58 pmnk, yet again you seem to be the one pumping out nonsense. Having a US citizen child is among the elements of obtaining waiver of ineligibility and adjustment of status in immigration proceedings.
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/13/2010 @ 6:16 pmSolve the Illegal problem, give legal status to people who have been living here a certain amount of time, with no criminal records and productive and contributing lives.
I also think the problem of home burglary can be solved by recommending people leave their front door unlocked 24/7 and that they hang a large sign proclaiming “Please come inside for a visit. Take whatever you want from the fridge and anything else that pleases you!”
Mark (411533) — 6/13/2010 @ 6:18 pmnk, yet again you seem to be the one pumping out nonsense. Having a US citizen child is among the elements of obtaining waiver of ineligibility and adjustment of status in immigration proceedings.
Comment by SPQR — 6/13/2010 @ 6:16 pm
Are you talking about a hardship waiver? The kid would have to be on an iron lung. Otherwise he goes with mommy and daddy.
nk (db4a41) — 6/14/2010 @ 1:03 amnk, more nonsense. Odd that I obtained adjustment in status and cancellation of removal under INA section 240A for a client last year.
Must have been my imagination …
SPQR (26be8b) — 6/14/2010 @ 6:58 am