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IBD-TIPP Poll, 10/29 to 11/1

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 1:26 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

The IBD-TIPP poll shows the Presidential race has narrowed to within the margin of error:

Obama — 46.7%
McCain — 44.6%
Undecided — 8.7%

This is a 3-day average but the two prior days’ polls showed Obama leading by at least 4 points, which means the Saturday results moved sharply toward McCain or are an anomaly. Tomorrow’s results may clarify this. Meanwhile, Obama leads with:

  • voters from the Northeast (54%-46%) and the West (48%-44%).
  • urban (51%-40%) and suburban (48%-41%) voters.
  • 18-24 year-old (64%-36%) and 45-64 year-old (47%-44%) voters.
  • female voters (52%-37%), including single women (62%-25%) and married women (46%-43%).
  • voters who are not parents (47%-43%).
  • voters making less than $30K a year (60%-34%), $30K-50K a year (55%-34%), and $50K-75K a year (48%-46%).
  • voters who identify as Democrats (85%-8%), liberal (88%-6%) or moderate (60%-29%).
  • voters who are not investors (55%-37%).
  • voters with some college (47%-45%) and college degrees (48%-43%).
  • voters who identify as Jewish (78%-19%), no religion (83%-21%), or Other (63%-20%).
  • voters from Union households (54%-34%).
  • voters who don’t display flags (62%-31%).
  • McCain leads among:

  • voters from the South (50%-45%).
  • rural voters (55%-39%).
  • 35-44 year-old (47%-44%) and 65+ (45%-43%) voters.
  • male voters (54%-40%).
  • voters who are parents (48%-46%).
  • voters making more than $75K a year (55%-40%).
  • voters who identify as Republicans (89%-5%), Independents (45%-43%), or conservative (71%-21%).
  • voters who are investors (50%-43%).
  • voters with a high school education (47%-43%).
  • voters who identify as Protestant (55%-36%), Catholic (51%-38%), or other Christian (48%-46%).
  • voters from non-Union households (47%-45%).
  • voters who display flags (52%-39%).
  • Midwestern voters are tied at 44% with 12% undecided so we may see a lot of targeted political activity in the Midwest until election day.

    — DRJ

    88 Responses to “IBD-TIPP Poll, 10/29 to 11/1”

    1. I’ve voted in every election since 1980. Other than the 3 dollar general election fund donation on the tax form a couple of times, yesterday was the first time I really donated to any campaign. Hope it helps McCain.

      voiceofreason2 (10af7e)

    2. Here is a link to the wicked parody of Keith Olbermann from last night’s Saturday Night Live. (Oh, the humanity!)

      [after the commercial]

      Official Internet Data Office (6c7d18)

    3. OMG. The link to Olbermann parody is really hilarious. Ben Affleck should give up trying to be a serious actor and stick to an SNL Olbermann-in-residence gig.

      Dana (658c17)

    4. “voters who identify as Jewish (78%-19%)”

      This continues to baffle me, given the despicable, anti-Israel and anti-semitic characters that Obama associates with.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    5. Is it real, or is it Memorex….

      Obama Seeks Knockout Blow in McCain’s Home State
      fm FoxNews….

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    6. I don’t have a link to a clip, but the NRA has a very good hard-hitting commercial against Obama running in Colorado this weekend that focuses on Obama’s misrepresentations of his history of positions on the Second Amendment.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    7. “This continues to baffle me, given the despicable, anti-Israel and anti-semitic characters that Obama associates with.”

      I think that for many, changing party identification is more difficult than changing their religious denomination.

      voiceofreason2 (425f08)

    8. Particularly when being a Liberal/Left/Dem is a religious affiliation.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    9. #8
      One could make the same case about the GOP base. Particularly those who tell you “I’m a conservative first and Republican second” despite never voting for an Indy, Libertarian or Dem in their life.

      voiceofreason2 (425f08)

    10. Comment by voiceofreason2 — 11/2/2008 @ 2:52 pm

      Well, I self identify as a conservative first, and a Republican second, but I have voted for a Libertarian (and been one too). Don’t know about an Independent, since here in CA we don’t have that terminology (we use Decline To State), and there are a lot of non-partisan offices) so I might have voted for one in the past. Democrat: Not in this lifetime.

      But, more importantly, major parts of the Dem Party look to politics as more important in their lives than religion (if religion is in the life at all). It isn’t for nothing that the Far Left/Enviro movement are known affectionately as “Watermellons”: Green on the outside, Red on the inside.
      Plus, a large part of the “Jewish Vote” is from people who rarely, if ever, go to synagogue.
      They self-identify as Jews, but never practice the Religion.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    11. I’ve only voted a straight ticket once in my life but I voted for several libertarians this year. I especially hope my Congressman gets the message.

      DRJ (cb68f2)

    12. We’ve received multiple phone calls and even a visit in person from the Obama folk in the last two days. They have all been very polite, even when I told them we were voting for McCain. They still made sure I knew where my polling place was.

      I thought of telling them, “I wouldn’t vote for Obama even if he paid me $1,000- as a matter of fact, he did say he would pay me $1,000 and I’m still not going to vote for him!” But I decided it would be rude to confuse the young volunteers.

      But, it brings up the following idea. How does promising to give $1,000 to every person who didn’t pay income tax after he’s elected not count as bribery? I guess the laws are probably written such that the voter actually needs to receive the money, not just a promise down the road.

      MD in Philly (3d3f72)

    13. Kind of interested in that GenX’ers for McCain? 35 thru 44 y.o.s’? What’s with that? That’s Obama’s “obamanation”? Yet, they’re mostly conservative. They’re the one’s born near the Summer of Love and saw their parents doing the wife-swapping, wearing that 70’s thing sort of stuff and listening to BeeGees and disco. Most have permainently scarred them. Being a small and financially priveleged generation in their early adulthood with only a few recessions and no wars didn’t hurt their prospects either. Easy job opertunities (unlike the difficult 70s) made life easy as beginners and a sense of entitlement prevails.

      the oldster’s for McCain? …they can’t get over their racism.

      datadave (2661d4)

    14. the oldster’s for McCain? …they can’t get over their racism.

      Comment by datadave — 11/2/2008 @ 3:05 pm

      You don’t think it might have something to do with age identity?

      No, you’re right, it’s always the racism.
      Hope that works out OK for Jack Murtha.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    15. Yep, that’s the Democratic refrain, if you don’t want to vote for the unaccomplished, inexperienced, substanceless candidate, obviously you are racist.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    16. When I was younger, I couldn’t even spell Racist.
      Now I are one!
      You’ll pardon me, I have to get the tailored-sheets out of the dryer, can’t be late for the rally.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    17. “voters who identify as Jewish (78%-19%)”

      This continues to baffle me, given the despicable, anti-Israel and anti-semitic characters that Obama associates with.

      Comment by SPQR — 11/2/2008 @ 2:33 pm

      Denial, aka “I want to believe.”

      I works with several Jewish folks and they all are voting for Obama. Yes, the know about all the Wrights, Ayers, etc, but they just believe that Obama is above it all. This also applies to NAFTA, gay marriage, foreign policy, taxes and all those other things in Obama’s Plans that they don’t like. They just assume he really doesn’t mean it.

      Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

    18. You remembered to use the dryer sheet to keep your robes spring fresh didn’t you?

      SPQR (26be8b)

    19. Particularly when being a Liberal/Left/Dem is a religious affiliation.

      No, it’s not.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    20. Absolutely!
      I hate that clingly look.

      They just assume he really doesn’t mean it.

      They thought the same thing in Germany in the 30’s, and that worked out so well, didn’t it?

      Someone once said that God looks out for fools, and the United States.
      When he said fools, did he mean the Jews?

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    21. Comment by liesntyranny — 11/2/2008 @ 3:27 pm

      Do yourself a favor, and read some Dennis Prager before you bring this subject up again.
      And, a little Thomas Sowell wouldn’t hurt your education either.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    22. #4 SPQR-
      I’ve attempted to find out why so many Jews are self-hating. And all I know lately is that they despise Palin with a passion and think McCain is an angry, grumpy old warmonger, but that Obama will usher a new era of Peace and Camelot. The locals here in Palm Beach Co. moonbat central seem to buy whatever garbage Wexler spews and he has promised that the Messiah will do right by Jews. One hopes Wexler has a prominent place in the O! administration. Oh and a Jap recently told me that O! has surrounded himself with a cast of most excellent advisors. As much money as the stereotypical American Jew has, you’d think they would be concerned at least about confiscatory taxes and also the increased amounts an O! presidency would take in death taxes. Clinton kissed Arafish’s ass time and again while W eschewed having Arafish hang around, but it is Bubba who gets the love and W the hatred.

      madmax333 (0c6cfc)

    23. It has been described to me that the greatest political failing that Jews have is the whole “heaven on Earth” thing.
      That is why they constantly fall into the trap of Socialism, whether “Scientific” or not.
      It drives the refrain that “we just didn’t try hard enough”, or “it was attempted by the wrong people”.
      It is the means that they perceive failure in, never the message.
      If the IslamoFascists take over, I certainly fear for the survival of Jewry throughout the World.
      But, it’s not like they were without warning.

      Another Drew (2d9338)

    24. I already had this discussion with two friends who are Jewish and also worship in the conservative denomination of the faith. It didn’t matter what I brought up about Obama, they’re still going to vote for him. I brought up the PLO problem, they’re still going to vote for him; Ayers? No change. They countered by telling me how inexperienced Palin was, and I responded back it was about the same as their guy. They mentioned that was ridiculous, so I asked them to name one piece of legislation or action that Obama took while in the Senate. Silence. I gave up shortly afterward, as always.

      Dmac (e30284)

    25. Dmac, so much for truthnjustice’s assertion that voting Democratic isn’t a religious act – that’s the definition of faith in contradiction of reality if I’ve ever seen it.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    26. Just some disjointed facts:

      TIPP shows Senator Obama up by 2.1% with 8.7% undecided.

      Drudge has this headline:

      Audio: Obama Tells Paper He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry…

      From wikipedia:

      27 states produce coal. The major coal-producing states are (in descending order as of 2000, with annual production in thousands of short tons):

      Wyoming (338,900).
      West Virginia (158,257)
      Kentucky (130,688)
      Pennsylvania (74,619)
      Texas (49,498)
      Montana (38,352)
      Illinois (33,444)
      Virginia (32,834)
      North Dakota (31,270)
      Colorado (29,137)
      Indiana (27,965)
      New Mexico (27,323)
      Utah (26,656)
      Ohio (22,269)
      Alabama (19,324)
      Arizona (13,111)
      Total United States: 1,437,174

      I smell a quick attack ad….

      patch (b1cd84)

    27. Well, remember that this is the same poster who described everyone on this site as “homoerotic and hateful assclowns,” which means what I can only guess at.

      Dmac (e30284)

    28. This is all going to come down to voter turnout — plus the absentee votes.

      Heavy Dem + light or moderate GOP = Obama landslide

      Heavy Dem + Heavy GOP = VERY close race; possible McCain victory

      So, anyone for McCain/against Obama, make sure you get out and vote for McCain.

      Mark Turner (3cc649)

    29. The point abut the connections to questionable figures like Ayers, should be that an applicant for our highest security clearance must get no presumption of innocence. ‘Guilt by association’ doesn’t apply, as the voters do not accuse indict or convict, but they distrust or trust one or the other more. Obama would not get any sort of security clearance wth such connections, and it is the electorate which gives this highest one.

      JSBolton (c845aa)

    30. Do yourself a favor, and read some Dennis Prager before you bring this subject up again.
      And, a little Thomas Sowell wouldn’t hurt your education either.

      From someone on the center/left… I am telling you it is not a religion. I have a religion. I am a Christian.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    31. truthnjustice, what you are telling us is that you don’t understand his comment. But we knew that.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    32. Drew: Furthermore… why on Earth would you suggest I read someone else’s work on my own views? I know what I believe in and Thomas Sowell isn’t going to pigeon-hole me into some category so that he (and you, for that matter) can rest well at night thinking you’re on the ‘good’ side while others are on the bad. It is an exercise in egotism at best.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    33. SPQR. This doesn’t involve you.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    34. truthnjustice, its an open comment thread. Don’t like it? Too bad.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    35. Okay. So explain to me why I didn’t understand his post, if you’re his ambassador.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    36. You know that Mussolini used the initials SPQR during his reign, don’t you? Interesting…

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    37. truthnjustice, Mussolini … no kidding? Wow, you are just the font of historical knowledge aren’t you?

      ROFL. It is amusing to me to see you demonstrate your lack of education. You really have no clue.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    38. Senatus Populusque Romanus

      Fm the First Roman Republic…

      Stupid is, as stupid does!

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    39. truthnjustice,

      SPQR dates back to ancient Rome when Romans ejected the Etruscan kings and installed the Roman Republic. The letters were chiseled on public buildings and coins to memorialize the change, and Mussolini adopted their use to suggest he was leading a New Roman empire.

      DRJ (cb68f2)

    40. DRJ more educated than truthnjustice? Imagine my shock.

      ( Just kidding DRJ )

      SPQR (26be8b)

    41. Right. I know that history. I just find it amusing (read: ironic) that he chose to use initials used by Mussolini.

      How does that exhibit a lack of knowledge? Because I actually showed the exact opposite of a lack of knowledge? Makes sense to me… in bizarro (read: conservacrazy) land.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    42. Neat link by the way, DRJ.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    43. truthnjustice, it showed a lack of knowledge of history because it showed you did not understand the origin of the acronym as the motto of the Roman Republic.

      Or you knew, and just decided to dishonestly call me a fascist in that cheap namecalling way that all Democrats have.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    44. Huh? I didn’t say that Mussolini originated the initials, why don’t you read what was written and instead of pretending to read what was not.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    45. truthnjustice,

      The amusing part is that Mussolini corrupted the initials for his own advancement, but I’m sure he’s not the only leader to corrupt ideas for personal glory or gain.

      DRJ (cb68f2)

    46. Nor did I call you a fascist. You put words into my mouth in that cheap way that all conservatives do.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    47. truthnjustice, you got pwned. Give it up.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    48. This video shows just how rabid the Obama supporters have gotten – calling for the death of people who dare to dissent.

      This is the behavior of religious fanatics. Hence Another Drew’s point.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    49. It’s worth noting that IBD-TIPP is, of the national tracking polls, the one with the worst numbers for Obama, largely (it seems) due to the way they weight republican vs. democrat registrants; their likely voter model shows the highest percentage of republicans of any of the tracking polls.

      That might be correct, but it might also be a sign that their estimate of where the race is is wildly wrong.

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    50. IBD-TIPP was the #2 most accurate poll in 2004 in predicting the Presidential popular vote, just a tad behind the #1, Battleground/GWU.

      Official Internet Data Office (6c7d18)

    51. aphrael, that’s the real issue – whose estimates of actual turnout ie., who really are “likely voters”, are correct. I’m suspicious that pollsters believed ACORN’s false figures on new voters that they registered ( which turned out to be exaggerated by a factor of 2 ).

      SPQR (26be8b)

    52. Fascism…
      Fasci were symbols of the Roman Empire.
      Another attempt at personal/political aggrandizement of the Italian Fascist Party.

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    53. SPQR: sure. If turnout is what Gallup and CBS believe it will be, Sen. Obama will win. If turnout is what IBD-TIPP believes it to be, it’s too close to call.

      My guess is that turnout is going to be closer to Gallup and CBS’ numbers than to IBD-TIPPs, because of the unusually high turnout that has been seeing in early voting and absentee ballots nationwide. But certainly it’s hard to be certain, and there is room for debate about whose model is correct.

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    54. Another Drew, of the Republic actually. The Roman Empire borrowed the symbolism of the Republic to continue Augustus’ favorite propaganda fiction that he was just temporarily holding onto a few priviledges until the normal Republic could be restored.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    55. Official Internet Data Office, that’s true; but at the same time, this is a different election, and a model which was good in 2004 might not be good this year, because different parts of the electorate have different motivations than they did that year.

      That said, it’s possible that IBD-TIPP is right. If they are, they are alone in avoiding a delusion that everyone else has fallen prey to. My guess is they aren’t … but I don’t know more than anyone else does.

      We’ll know in 50 hrs.

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    56. aphrael, that is certainly a possibility. But I’m still of the opinion that this assumed high turnout is a media creation. We heard in 2004 how enthusiastic the Democrats were to “get” George Bush out of office but it didn’t pan out.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    57. Comment by SPQR — 11/2/2008 @ 7:18 pm

      I Yield, Sir, to your expertise on the matter.

      Show Off!

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    58. Yeah, pretend that conversation is over SPQR… because you know that my last few posts completely and totally called you out for being an idiot. You are awful.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    59. The conversation is over. SPQR is exactly right.

      Official Internet Data Office (6c7d18)

    60. Official Internet Data Office, with the caveat that the plural of anecdote is not data: I always early vote at the county elections office, because I’m working in a polling place which isn’t my own on election day. There are usually 4-5 people there voting.

      I had to wait in line for forty-five minutes to vote on Saturday. With a line out the door into the rain.

      This suggests an unusually high turnout. On the other hand, I’m in California, so who cares? 🙂

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    61. Right. I know that history.

      Worst. Backpedalling. evah .

      Dmac (e30284)

    62. You know that Mussolini used the initials SPQR during his reign, don’t you? Interesting…

      Comment by truthnjustice — 11/2/2008 @ 6:36 pm

      Explain to me how:
      1. I called him a fascist with that statement.
      2. You can infer that I did not know the genesis of the initials with that statement.

      You can’t.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    63. truthnjustice, now you are trying to abandon the insinuation you thought so clever when you made it. You’ve called no one “out”. You’ve demonstrated only your own lack of character.

      Cowardly of you.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    64. I have demonstrated your lack of logic skills.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    65. Some people would say that inferences work in two ways.

      Other people would just say that you’re tiresome.

      JD would say STFU (not that I would put words in his mouth)!

      But, being the simple country-boy that I am, I’ll just say:
      Don’t go away mad, just go away!

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    66. truthnjustice, nope. Not even close.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    67. Another Drew, I disagree! JD would say “STFU racist”.

      Clearly you are an imposter! 😛

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    68. And so, I whip of my mask and reveal my true identity:

      Super Bigot Man!

      Bigots, all of you!

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    69. AD, aphrael got you there. You have no logic skillz.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    70. chuckles………………

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    71. According to the link, a left-wing radio talk show host in San Francisco has called for the death of Joe the Plumber. [Audio contained in linked web site: strong language warning.]

      Official Internet Data Office (6c7d18)

    72. I’m glad I don’t listen to that station; that’s offensive, obnoxious, and unacceptable behavior.

      aphrael (9e8ccd)

    73. OIDC, see my #48.

      SPQR (26be8b)

    74. truthnjustice…logic skills don’t come into play here at all. What you have just done is EXACTLY what the mainstream media and liberals do time after time after time. Sure, you didn’t actually “say” that SPQR was a fascist, nor can we definitively say that you didn’t know the genesis of the initials. However, the fact that you went straight for the Mussolini reference, when the most obvious reference was the ancient Roman one (frankly, until it was mentioned here, I had no clue Mussolini used it) moves one to now associate SPQR, and, thus, everything he says, with Mussolini and fascism. However, you can now claim that “that’s not what I actually said,” even when it’s fairly clear that the inference could be very easily drawn. This is straight out of the playbook of the MSM: say, for example, that McCain “claimed” something, while Obama “stated” something. Then, when someone calls them on it, they simply say, “Hey, we’ve just reported the facts.”

      Chris (77ceeb)

    75. Oh right. Now we’re bringing up the pretend bias. This is where I check out. You guys and your fantasies… wake me up when unicorns and leprechaun time is over.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    76. This is an alarm clock that needs never to be set.

      Another Drew (8298c0)

    77. Sigh…not that it’s gonna matter anymore, since there was no attempt to actually have a discussion on the merits of the argument, but here’s where we do a little thought experiment:

      Let’s say that you used the screen name “Haydn.” Whereupon I came by and made a comment along these lines: “Oh, Haydn? You know, a melody of his was used as a German national anthem during the Nazi Era! Interesting…”

      (Yes, I realize that it is, in fact, still the German anthem…which probably just serves to prove my original point even more.)

      Chris (77ceeb)

    78. tnj – You are worthless and weak.

      Drop and give me twenty.

      daleyrocks (60704b)

    79. Well, the trolls be jumpin’ tonight. I’m pretty sure that this particular troll is still in college, with one of those very useful social justice degrees. Because he/she/it sure didn’t know the history, and was pretty darned lame trying to play Debate Club.

      Yep. What’s the first rule of Debate Club?

      Anyway, the whole “…you can’t prove I meant…” argument, coupled with the grandiose claims of defeating someone with logic sure does reek of cannabis and dorm rooms and White Stripes posters.

      Or, for this one, Rage Against the Machine posters.

      Also oversleeping exams and complaining about those 8 AM classes.

      Daleyrocks had a great comment, as usual.

      Eric Blair (a723e0)

    80. I was pointing out that I found it odd that he used initials that had been used by Mussolini. There are many symbols that have been in use for long periods of time. The swastika, for example, has been in use for at least 3000 years. It is now much less common because of what it has meant more recently. So why chose those initials? That was my point. I did not and would not call someone I hardly know a fascist. But, thanks for playing guys. You gave it your best shot.

      truthnjustice (d99227)

    81. Blah, blah, blah – “I’m superior because the guy in my mirror every morning tells me so! And I also somehow can stay up until 4 AM to make my witty riposte, which is no relation at all with my current studies at my local JUCO. Hilarious.

      Dmac (e30284)

    82. This is where I check out. You guys and your fantasies… wake me up when unicorns and leprechaun time is over.

      Comment by truthnjustice — 11/2/2008 @ 8:22 pm

      But, thanks for playing guys. You gave it your best shot.

      Comment by truthnjustice — 11/3/2008 @ 4:31 am

      What I find fascinating is that they, to a man, always ‘leave’ but never, you know, leave.

      Obama is spending money in the Chicago media market targeting Indiana. Let me tell you how expensive this is. He is advertising on Chicago radio stations which reach about 7 million IL residents, just to get to about 1 million IN residents. One ad running on rock and country stations features John Mellencamp. Obama is absolutely rolling in dough.

      Pray for me people, I’m an election judge tomorrow 🙂

      carlitos (ef1ff9)

    83. John F. Kennedy said, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” But Kennedy’s speechwriter stole the line from Mussolini (who said it in Italian) and Mussolini stole the line from Cicero, who actually first said it (in Latin).

      So, does that make John F. Kennedy a fascist? I don’t think so.

      Official Internet Data Office (6c7d18)

    84. Folks – If you are going to try to speak for me, I would note that in reading this thread, tmj struck me as being the textbook definition of a mendoucheous twatwaffle. This was classic trollish behavior – call someone fascist, claim you did not when called on it, display an utter contempt for facts, and then declare victory, but never really go away.

      tmj – We can never miss you if you do not leave.


      JD (5b4781)

    85. Eric…is it a bad thing that I actually like the White Stripes and Rage Against the Machine?

      Well, not the politics (of Rage, anyways…the Stripes aren’t really political except for Icky Thump), but the music.

      Chris (6733a5)

    86. Oh, sure, Chris. My son has been trying to learn guitar from “Seven Nation Army.” I don’t mind the” White Stripes,” despite an over-reliance on hair care products.

      “Rage against the Machine” is just…well…I remember “The Clash” trying to be all anti-establishment while counting ticket receipts.

      I have to go back to Johnny Rotten, regarding music:

      I may not know $%#-all about jazz…but Sting don’t neither…

      Wise words, despite the bad teeth. Pretentiousness needs to be ridiculed.

      Also, Laura Ingraham’s book “Shut Up and Sing” says this better than I can.

      What bothers me is when people give more credence to the opinions of a performer than to themselves. Honestly, who cares what they think about global warming?

      Eric Blair (0b61b2)

    87. When strippers start complaining about the coming Ice-Age, I get concerned!

      Another Drew (7e15a8)

    88. Blah, blah, blah – “I’m superior because the guy in my mirror every morning tells me so! And I also somehow can stay up until 4 AM to make my witty riposte, which is no relation at all with my current studies at my local JUCO. Hilarious.

      Ever heard of time zones, genius? I didn’t stay up until…. I got up at….

      truthnjustice (3d65f9)

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