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8/23/2008

Obama-Biden are Clintonesque

Filed under: 2008 Election,Terrorism — DRJ @ 9:02 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

Obama and Biden sounded positively Clintonesque in Springfield yesterday as they talked about: Fighting for jobs and health care. Working-class values. Experience.

Some Clinton supporters are happy with what they hear even though it’s not Clinton saying it:

“Susan Castner, a Clinton delegate from Portland, Ore., said she sees some of Clinton’s qualities in Biden. She likes his experience, especially on foreign policy.

“It really kind of humanizes Barack Obama,” Castner said. “He has this air of perfection, and Joe Biden is more down to earth.”

“I love his passion,” Castner said of Biden. “I like him a lot.”

Of course, some aren’t:

“It’s a total diss to Sen. Clinton, in my opinion,” said Diane Mantouvalos, co-founder of the Just Say No Deal Coalition. “It just speaks volumes about how Barack Obama doesn’t stand for anything.”

Mantouvalos, of Miami, is part of an Internet movement of Clinton supporters who refuse to back Obama, regardless of pleas from Clinton herself. Mantouvalos is in Denver, where the Democratic National Convention is scheduled to start Monday, stoking anti-Obama sentiment.

She said the selection of a Washington insider undermines Obama’s call for change.

“It was a desperate move,” Mantouvalos said.”

If I were Hillary Clinton (an amusing thought), it would be hard to lose to someone as new and inexperienced as Barack Obama but it would add insult to injury to see him appropriate my talking points so quickly. That, coupled with the belief that the Obama campaign helped portray Bill Clinton as a racist, has to leave a sour taste in the Clintons’ mouths.

At some point [EDIT: maybe as soon as the Democratic convention], the Clintons will do everything they can to hurt Obama’s election chances – including leaking damaging information to the McCain campaign, the media or trusted intermediaries. Maybe all of the above.

— DRJ

19 Responses to “Obama-Biden are Clintonesque”

  1. SENATOR Joe BIDEN
    is a really smart and wise choice by OBAMA
    How dare you whine about Hillary Clinton
    not being picked–How mature is that ?
    Someday a woman will be president…thats a fact
    But not NOW..So GET OVER IT ! Grow up !
    Dont be so selfish…and let your country go to hell.
    Your spiteful attitude is chlldish and these pro
    Hilary types -Anti OBAMA-types-are Not caring about their fellow American’s but care more about their EGOS !
    If OBAMA picked Clinton—It would
    not work , frankly she (as senator)was paid off
    by BIG Bussiness and coperate interest’s+lobbists
    and Bill and got pleney of cash at OUR expense.
    They made grave mistakes in the white house
    WACO TX…NAFTA…Scandals and Suicide’s in the
    White house …very troubeing stuff.
    The So called prosperity in the Clinton Era
    was a false front and fell apart ..after Clinton
    left office…This is proof Clintons policys
    in the economy were flawed and although well intended Temporary and the Stocks and coperate
    greed + cheating was later exposed and collasped !
    Do your homework–The Clintons are sold out to $$
    They supported NAFTA-and Bill lied about His affairs and who can trust them at all ??? Not me !
    If you do not vote for OBAMA -You will be
    destroying your Country by letting a crackpot
    like MCcain become President.
    Then America will be in deep deep trouble and you
    will have contributed to that suffering !
    Have compassion for your fellow citizens !
    You may be upset Hilary is not in the race
    WHY are you not UPSET MCain may win ??? Strange !
    Dont let Mccain win !
    THINK IT OVER !-Michael J —USA

    Michael J.Koval (f3db78)

  2. MiCHaeL J.

    I really hope McCains wins, the thrashing of the Obamessiah is just a bonus to me. Obama is a transnational progressive, and his ideology is bogus. Nice person though he is, I can’t imagine voting for someone with such a radical ideology.

    OmegaPaladin (05c9b6)

  3. Hopefully McCain will win – he now gets my vote- and Obama loses and then Hillary becomes President in ’12. If that happens, then her supporters will be saying “Thank God Obama didn’t pick her as vice-President! If he did, they would have won and she would not be President today!”

    Besides that, though- this is a terrible choice. Bayh and Kaine would have at least put some states into play that Obama needs to win- Biden brings nothing like that- he only brings a “big mouth.” This is like a gift to McCain, he’s one happy man today.

    nick (86486b)

  4. Shields Up! Media Bias Alert:

    Something disturbs me about the Susan Castner quote in Ohlemacher’s linked article.

    She’s identified as “Clinton delegate” but says Obama “has this air of perfection…” Castner goes on to say she “loves his passion…” and likes him “a lot.”

    Are Susan’s positions in line with other “Clinton delegates” now in Denver, or not. If not, why did the writer fail to identify Castner as atypical, or include the sentiments of a “Clinton delegate” who isn’t taken by Obama’s “air of perfection?”

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  5. Ropelight,

    I read that quote to say the Clinton delegate thinks Obama has the air of perfection” but Biden has the passion.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  6. Yes, DRJ, you are correct. My pronoun misidentified the object of Castner’s affection. If you have the ability, please delete the offending sentence.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  7. Michael J.Koval

    SENATOR Joe BIDEN is a really smart and wise choice by OBAMA
    — So you say, but you never say why . . . and that makes what you said a non sequiter.

    How dare you whine about Hillary Clinton not being picked–How mature is that ?
    — We aren’t ‘whining’; we’re winning. Big difference.

    Someday a woman will be president…thats a fact
    — And her name will be Sarah Palin. JOHN WINGER: That’s a fact, Jack. SOLDIERS: That’s a fact, Jack.

    But not NOW..So GET OVER IT !
    Complain about the present and blame it on the past
    I’d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass
    Get over it
    Get over it
    All this bitchin’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
    Get over it, get over it

    Grow up ! Dont be so selfish…and let your country go to hell.
    — Do you think he knows that means not voting for the Demonrats?

    Your spiteful attitude is chlldish and these pro Hilary types -Anti OBAMA-types-are Not caring about their fellow American’s but care more about their EGOS !
    — Leggo my EGO! [The updated version of “Can’t I just eat my waffle?”]

    If OBAMA picked Clinton—It would not work , frankly she (as senator)was paid off by BIG Bussiness and coperate interest’s+lobbists and Bill and got pleney of cash at OUR expense.
    — Thank God that Obama has come along to bypass the lobbyists and take your money from you directly over the Internet.

    They made grave mistakes in the white house WACO TX…NAFTA…Scandals and Suicide’s in the White house …very troubeing stuff.
    — As troubling as your spelling and gramm– oh, what’s the point?

    The So called prosperity in the Clinton Era was a false front and fell apart ..after Clinton left office…This is proof Clintons policys in the economy were flawed and although well intended Temporary
    — And Obama has specifically said that he wants to bring them back. So you’re supporting him why?

    and the Stocks and coperate greed + cheating was later exposed and collasped ! Do your homework–
    — Take remedial English!

    The Clintons are sold out to $$ They supported NAFTA-and Bill lied about His affairs and who can trust them at all ??? Not me !
    — Uh, you do realize that HillShrillMonica’sSoFatSheEatsKrillary is no longer in the running, no longer in the race; don’t you?

    If you do not vote for OBAMA -You will be destroying your Country by letting a crackpot like MCcain become President.
    — Isn’t it ironic that we believe the exact same thing will happen, but only if Obama is elected?

    Then America will be in deep deep trouble and you will have contributed to that suffering !
    — At this point I’m beginning to think that the liberal obsession with ducking personal responsibility is a genetic trait. None of the standard indoctrination techniques ever worked this well.

    Have compassion for your fellow citizens !
    — So many fellow citizens to whom compassion must be shown; so little time . . . only one Kevorkian.

    You may be upset Hilary is not in the race
    — Only because my popcorn stock is slipping.

    WHY are you not UPSET MCain may win ??? Strange ! Dont let Mccain win !
    — Do you not know where you are? Strange. I for one will be drinking a bottle of champagne when he does win!

    THINK IT OVER !
    — Sink Spit Rover! Drink Clit Clover! Pink Hit Dover! Rink Shit Grover! Clink Writ Poser! Zinc Zit Closer!

    Icy Truth (394169)

  8. Icy Truth — too funny. Thanks.

    rrpjr (fb0748)

  9. Both Biden and Clinton vociferously criticized Obama in the primaries (as should have been expected). Why would Obama pick Biden who can only deliver a few hundred thousand votes, when Clinton can deliver 18 million very enthusiastic votes?!? Obama did not vet Clinton or even consult her on the VP position. How else to interpret this other than that Obama has a personal antipathy for Hillary Clinton? But why would he not also hate Biden? The only conclusion can be that Obama is a narcissist. Despite that the logical and intelligent move would be to pick Hillary as VP, he shoots himself and the Democratic party in the foot to assuage his hurt feelings over Hillary’s pushing him to the limit in the primaries.

    Barack Obama is behaving like a child and will be spanked by Clinton Democrats in the election for it…

    Ed (5d473d)

  10. thanx, rrpjr! Troll-spanking should be an Olympic sport. Much better than getting a medal for spinning a hula-hoop and twirling a ribbon. 🙂

    Icy Truth (c38387)

  11. Think to yourself: if you were running for President, would you pick Hillary Clinton as your VP, knowing that she would do everything she could to be the center of power and undermine you at every turn for her personal ends, and that whatever Bill Clinton’s misdeeds while you were president, they would be roosting on your shoulders in the public mind?

    There might be personal antipathy between Biden and Obama, but nothing that goes as deep as that with Hillary, and Biden doesn’t have Hillary’s negatives.

    I think the Clintons might try to help defeat Obama this year, but I don’t think it will reap them any benefits in 2012. Even if they don’t try to help defeat the big O, they’ll be made the scapegoats if he loses (that and racism, of course). Short of being president pro tem when some catastrophe kills off everyone above her in the chain of who gets to be President, I think this is the closest Hillary will ever get to being in the White House again.

    kishnevi (d50358)

  12. kishnevi said: “Think to yourself: if you were running for President, would you pick Hillary Clinton as your VP”

    If I were Barack Obama and wanted to be president I would pick Hillary in a minute. What does Biden add to the ticket that Hillary doesn’t? (And don’t forget all of her supporters that are now ticked off?) He is a racist plagiarizer that makes as many verbal gaffes as Obama does – witness yesterday’s “next president” and “Barack America” gaffes. He even called Barack a “clean” black, as if most blacks are not clean. Hillary would have added an adult to the ticket. Instead it is a couple of frat boys, which means there will be a good laugh from these two buffoons every few days. Good bye presidency…

    Ed (5d473d)

  13. Obama fought to see Florida and Michigan were denied full votes in the democratic election and now Obama needing our votes is pushing to get our states full reinstatement! What a slap in the face! With Fla. and Mich. full correctly legal votes Clinton would have been right there in the end. He pushed to cheat us out of our voices being heard! I am writing in Hillary Clinton for she is the only one who can save our economy. I hope my fellow Floridians do likewise and voters all over the country!

    donald taylor (a14ac8)

  14. CALIFORNIA VOTERS MARCH to COMMEMORATE THE 88th ANNIVERSARY OF WOMEN’S SUFFRAGE AND to CELEBRATE
    the CANDIDACY OF SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON

    SAN FRANCISCO, CA, 2008 – Political supporters and women’s rights advocates will gather in San Francisco on Tuesday August 26th to commemorate the anniversary of Women’s Voting Rights and celebrate the campaign of Senator Clinton. The March will begin at 5 p.m. in front of the Ferry Building and end with a rally at the UN Plaza.

    The San Francisco event is one of several nationwide marches, sponsored by the 18 Million Voices / Rise Hillary Rise grassroots organization, to be held simultaneously with nineteen other cities around the country, and in conjunction with the main march at the Democratic Convention in Denver, Colorado.

    The group hopes to unite those who campaigned and voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries as well as men and women who want to advance women’s equality by building a new movement in support of women’s rights and gender equality.

    Clinton ran an historical campaign that marked a milestone for women in politics. On June 7, 2008 Clinton suspended her campaign and remarked,

    “In the future, it will be unremarkable for a woman to win primary state victories, unremarkable to have a woman in a close race to be our nominee, unremarkable to think that a woman can be the president of the United States. And that is truly remarkable.”

    Mae Rose Tengsico, California State Organizer of the event, said, “We want to mark the 88th anniversary of women receiving the right to vote by honoring the milestone achievement of Hillary Clinton, who has gone further than any woman in campaigning for the Presidency.”

    The marchers also want to point out that those who stooped to using sexism during the primary campaign have instigated a stronger and more united effort to end discrimination based on gender.

    “We saw a great deal of misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton and her supporters by the media and others,” said Ms. Tengsico. “We want to make a statement that this has united women who want to work for changes in the political process. As Hillary said when she suspended her campaign: ‘There are no acceptable limits, and there are no acceptable prejudices in the 21st century.’”

    ABOUT 18 MILLION VOICES / RISE HILLARY RISE

    This nationwide march is sponsored by18 Million Voices / Rise Hillary

    Rise, a true grassroots movement to celebrate Senator Clinton’s historic achievements,
    and to advocate for Women’s Rights worldwide.

    Maria (e8a447)

  15. Aak! The Invasion of the Clintonites!
    Heke heke estai babeloi!

    kishnevi (1afea2)

  16. I don’t care if Clinton does release her delegates they should vote for her as originally planned. The Super delegates need to reevaluate their commitments before making a major mistake. Obama does not have the experience to lead this country at this time in history. Biden brings experience to the team but Obama is the Commander in Chief and wouldn’t even make a trip as Senator to visit our wounded soldiers when in Germany. A major slight that is unforgivable. Makes every photo op though. Can sure work the web but cannot run the country because he is inexperienced and the Vice President is not the person in charge. The President is. All the advice in the world cannot cover up the fact that the President needs the experience to lead. Why with all the camera’s and pres covering him this week hasn’t he made advances in the polls? The country isn’t buying into this press blitz. If Obama is the Dem pick you have lost the election. HRC needs to be their pick – raycar

    raycar (0f79e0)

  17. I FOR ONE CAN NOT UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS FAIR AND ACCEPTABLE THAT DURING THE PRIMARIES MI AND FL ARE INITIALLY STRIPPED OF THEIR DELEGATES AND THEN LATER AWARDED VOTING RIGHTS BUT ONLY HALF WHAT WERE CAST. THEN AFTER CLINTON HAS SUSPENDED HER CAMPAIGNED MI AND FL ARE NOW AWARDED FULL VOTING RIGHTS!! A DIFFERENT NOMINEE WOULD BE ACCEPTING THE PRIZE IN AUGUST HAD THE CHOICE TO GIVE FULL VOTING RIGHTS DURING THE PRIMARIES.

    jmclear (3c86e7)

  18. Those who say they are voting for McCain here must really have to hold their noses to keep the stench of McCain from overwhelming them as they pull that lever. I can’t imagine a democrat voting republican in the first place, putting more business friendly judges in place and sealing the deal for the corporations and the wealthy, making sure that there will be an underclass in America to provide the slave labor for the rich. Go for it though if that is what you think is right!!! or you could vote for the common working man in this country so that they can have a living wage to support their families, and that would be Obama.

    Hannah Stevens (906b00)

  19. 18 hannah the troll- you should do comedy. Like Obama the magic negro has delivered on his past promises or actually helped anyone???? Seems to me he and his family are getting mighty fat financially while bashing Amerikkka. How did that low-income housing development done in conjunction with convicted Rezko and assorted slumlords actually turn out? How did that Annenbrg challenge to expose kids to marxism boondoggle trun out? How about the help O promised the good people in that Kenyan village where some relatives still live on $1 a month? Spare us the typical class warfare. The poor already are not paying income taxes. The denizens of the katrina aftermath don’t seem to make any effort to help themselves several years after the disaster presided over by a clueless black dem mayor and liberal governor. LBJ’s vaunted war of poverty only provided generational addiction to welfare, more layers of government bureaucratic lackeys and $5 Trillion down the toilet. Gte a clue you marooooon. Business provides jobs and dividends. What have Barack and Michelle actually ever produced??

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)


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