Patterico's Pontifications

5/31/2016

Trump And The Media: A Twisted Relationship Of Convenience

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:00 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Standard operating procedure:

On Tuesday, Trump pointed out ABC News reporter Tom Llamas and called him “a sleaze.” Llamas’ crime? Asking the presumptive Republican presidential nominee to explain why he had misled people about how much money he’d raised for veterans.

During his tirade about the press, he interrupted CNN’s Jim Acosta who was asking Trump about his ability to deal with scrutiny, to say sarcastically, “Excuse me, excuse me. I’ve watched you on TV. You’re a real beauty.”

The attack, which came amid one of Trump’s familiar diatribes about the “dishonest” media, was the latest in a string of personal insults Trump has made against reporters covering his campaign.

So, to remind Trump that The Media is not to be trifled with, a bold reporter lobbed a heat-seeking missile of inquiry straight at the GOP presumptive nominee:

–Dana

76 Responses to “Trump And The Media: A Twisted Relationship Of Convenience”

  1. They deserve each other.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. Unfortunately we are the ones who are getting etbjdc.

    (Encoded in deference to this forum’s status as a family oriented blog)

    kishnevi (050eae)

  3. as I pointed out, they never ask the right question, with mcturtle, what parts of the agenda would he support, with red queen it’s even worse, with razorback don’t get me started,

    with republicans they ask what’s wrong with you, and is there therapy to fix it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  4. yes, we can expect him to be a fair arbiter, sarc.

    http://www.newsbusters.org/people-organizations/tom-llamas

    narciso (732bc0)

  5. So, he’s aggressively ignorant of virtually every major policy issue but is fully up to speed on the Cincinnati Zoo gorilla. Yep, welcome to our vapid age.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  6. and so are the networks yet they retain their licenses,

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. Unfortunately we are the ones who are getting etbjdc.

    It doesn’t take HAL 9000 to figure that out.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. “Snap out of it, Robin.” (jpg)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  9. I like this about Trump, just like his original demeanor,
    don’t accept their narrative and go on perpetual goal line defense.

    I just wish it was a reasonable candidate who had taken this approach.

    Heard McConnell on Hewitt yesterday,
    he still doesn’t get it, blames the voters for not understanding how the government works and dismisses any reason for frustration and anger.

    Yes, I saw that about Gibson guitars on the other thread previously. There was also rumor about the role of a competitor who was a big Obama donor,
    and Gibson gave to Republicans.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  10. No longer a people with enough virtue for our form of government.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  11. You know, I don’t want to cause any trouble…but I surely do hope that each and every person who is now saying to support Trump because of votes and scary opponents also supported McCain and Romney in prior elections.

    Since no one here is a hypocrite, I’m sure that is the case.

    Simon Jester (fc9d05)

  12. Excellent point, Simon.

    Colonel Haiku (b3205b)

  13. Well, I did vote for each of them in the general as they were clearly better than the Alinsky acolyte,
    But both parties seem to keep pushing the envelope.
    If this trajectory holds up,
    who in the world will we have to choose from in 2020…

    Still hoping and praying for a miracle,
    French is not it, no matter how good a man he is.
    First of all, Kristol is a detriment.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  14. looks like the consensus is for to let Hillary do the judges

    the beautiful partial birth judges

    four or five of them

    oh sweet little fetus

    if you is soft

    and you is plump

    beware beware

    the #nevertrump!

    happyfeet (831175)

  15. It was the lumber union?? Doc, among other parties as with the treasury workers one in the it’s case.

    narciso (732bc0)

  16. I have no problem with what Trump said. This has gotten stupid. The next time they ask about it he should throw out a question to one of these alleged journalists: “Do you clowns have anything else to talk about? Do you ask Clinton about Uranium One (or some other ethical question surrounding Clinton)?” He should do that every time now when they ask about the veteran donations.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  17. All I know is what I read and to know to doubt it.
    The word I heard was that another maker of instruments encouraged the feds to look into rosewood imports for finger boards and give them a hard time, even though they had all of the appropriate documentation of approved sources.
    The other company donated to the L, Gibson people donated to the R.

    I am avoiding naming the accused, in the event the accusation is false.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  18. The Forbes piece, suggests it’s this more recent piece, but it’s like with Buffett and Steger and the keystone pipeline.

    narciso (732bc0)

  19. IDK

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  20. Everything is a mess. Sin abounds.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  21. Nothing new under the Sun.

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. Simon, I supported McCain because he had no negatives with me, not even his age at that time, and one big positive — Sarah! I full-heartedly supported Romney. He is a fine man and my sour grapes over his lackluster campaigning after his loss do not change that.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Acosta is another Jack with a byline, why Obama has 51% approval.

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. “why Obama has 51% approval.”

    Some credit must be given to his relative silence over the past few months as well as comparison to a future with Crooked Hillary or Trumpy the Fraud as his replacement.

    I realize now my thoughts regarding “it can’t get any worse” when the Chicago gutter trash moved into the White House were wildly optimistic.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  25. Bu bu bu Clinton! That’s all Trump’s got. I agree that this is the best way for him to handle scrutiny, since he has no good answers about his own record. But his own record will be important, and I don’t think the press will just let it slide they way they did when they were trying to sabotage the GOP with the worst candidate imaginable.

    Happyfeet, who I never recall caring much about pro-life judges, tells us we need to vote Trump or else we’re killing fetuses. A callous argument, and an insulting one if you imagine Happyfeet recalls that Trump supported partial birth abortion in his Tim Russert interview, before his GOP primary flip flop.

    We know Trump’s heart is on the left. There’s no policy reason to support him from any point of view, just as there’s no reasons to support him because he’s interested in our rights and freedoms, or is a good person. The only reason to support him is because you think Hillary may be worse. I personally would rather the lefty disaster be a democrat than a republican.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  26. You look everyone of these bylines have been running interference for Obama through every scandal, the journalist including drum, most egregiously.

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. happyfeet thinks we’re stupid.

    nk (dbc370)

  28. Lord knows he’s right about so many other things…

    Colonel Haiku (796ffc)

  29. Happyfeet, who I never recall caring much about pro-life judges, tells us we need to vote Trump or else we’re killing fetuses. A callous argument, and an insulting one if you imagine Happyfeet recalls that Trump supported partial birth abortion in his Tim Russert interview, before his GOP primary flip flop.

    Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/1/2016 @ 7:14 am

    Your posts are increasingly non sequiturs Dustin. Whether or not happyfeet actually cares about judges who preserve the ability of states to pass abortion laws is irrelevant to whether his point is accurate. Likewise if Trump appoints conservative judges, whatever his personal views are about abortion are also totally irrelevant.

    I actually give happyfeet some credit on this issue, as he’s willing to accept that Trump will likely appoint judges who won’t wipe out abortion laws.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  30. happyfeet explains why Hillary is better than Republicans:

    M. Hoagie I will tell you what i believe in my heart

    in my heart i believe divided government is preferable to an R government led by recycled trash like Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush

    any idiot can do failure management

    but what Romneycare Romney or an amnesty whore like jebbie jiggles get through Congress is very likely going to be worse for America than the crap Hillary Clinton and her historic old lady boobies *can’t* get through Congress

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/15/2015 @ 8:43 am

    That sounds like a NeverTrump argument, doesn’t it?

    DRJ (15874d)

  31. I especially like “any idiot can do failure management.” That’s Trump in a nutshell.

    DRJ (15874d)

  32. My earlier comment has a quote from happyfeet that was moderated. I’ll let everyone guess what it was about.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. Don’t forget Ford and Dole with that limp wristed list. And the others have become Clinton republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  34. Gerald,

    Trump is not pro-life, as I demonstrated in my comment. Therefore, there’s not much reason to think he would appoint pro-life justices. Trump’s actions in his donations and his views before his series of primary flip flops speak louder than his self serving flip flops do.

    You call this a non-sequitur, but it’s actually a perfectly simple and valid chain of reasoning.

    Happyfeet’s comment

    oh sweet little fetus

    if you is soft

    and you is plump

    beware beware

    the #nevertrump!

    suggests some fear for the unborn children, but anyone who has followed happyfeet’s comments knows he isn’t concerned about them at all. So I call BS, also in a pretty straightforward manner.

    It’s your comment “Likewise if Trump appoints conservative judges, whatever his personal views are about abortion are also totally irrelevant.” that is quite bizarre. Are you admitting that you have no idea what Trump’s views are? Or that you realize his views in Tim Russert’s interview are hard-left (to the left of Obama and Hillary)? Because if so, where is this ‘if Trump appoints pro life judges’ concept even coming from? You’re going to have to flesh your argument out.

    Which goes to my more general point. Trump has lied about his views. His flip flops are ridiculous and he’s a corrupt liar. We know this. You simply cannot predict that he would do anything good, be it appointing great judges or any other policy issue you care about. If you base your vote on this or any other issue and that vote is for Trump, you are a chump. And Happyfeet’s emotional appeal for the unborn is so insincere it comes across as mocking Trump’s suckers.

    I really don’t see why you couldn’t follow my point. This isn’t rocket science.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  35. yes yes i’m happy to accept the good with the bad with the conservative judges

    judge roberts though, he’s burned through all my goodwill

    he’s just done too too much to depreciate the standing of the court

    just like how food stamp done on the presidency

    i get very pensive when I think about this

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  36. Are Trump’s attacks on the media doing anything positive? I know they make people feel better because he is Getting Even — he should trademark that, by the way, because getting even has become his entire campaign’s sole guiding principle.

    I ask this because Katie Couric got caught manipulating the news but she isn’t changing anything. She’s just mouthing empty platitudes. Does anyone think she or any of her media cronies will cgange? Did Dan Rather’S experience stop Couric from doing something similar? Not at all. And Trump will only make them more determined.

    There needs to be competition to fix this, and that means competition for Fox News.

    DRJ (15874d)

  37. yes yes i’m happy to accept the good with the bad with the conservative judges

    My friend, could you explain what you mean by good and bad?

    Specifically, do you consider it good or bad when a judge bans abortion? But other good and bad rulings would be interesting.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  38. Gerald A,

    Trump wanted to appoint his sister who went out of her way to be pro-abortion. The best you can say about Trump is that he doesn’t care about abortion, which is one reason happyfeet likes him.

    The only way Trump will nominate and fight to confirm someone conservative — on any issue — is by accident or if the GOP Senate pressures him. In other words, he won’t.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. anyone who has followed happyfeet’s comments knows he isn’t concerned about them at all.

    where is this ‘if Trump appoints pro life judges’ concept even coming from? You’re going to have to flesh your argument out.

    Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/1/2016 @ 8:52 am

    I don’t care whether hf is actually concerned about them at all.

    Trump has released a list of SCOTUS judges he’s considering which are conservative to one degree or another. Also Trump supports the Second Amendment as far as I can tell. Further I think he’s smart enough to know that some things he might want to do in the immigration area would be blocked by liberal judges.

    Most people seem to think he would appoint at least an Anthony Kennedy type to SCOTUS. Most NeverTrumpers that I’ve seen, or people who are unsure about Trump, including Patterico, don’t even try to argue that he’d appoint liberals to SCOTUS. They just say it’s not enough, or may not be enough, of a reason to vote for him.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  40. I shouldn’t need to say this but Trump is manipulating the right with his list of conservative judges. He won’t promise to nominate them and even if he did, we know what his promises are worth.

    DRJ (15874d)

  41. DRJ – Scott Adams’ perspective on Trump appears to be basically “Trump is going to win because he’s hypnotizing the American public”, except that Adams’ reporting on it is tinged with admiration rather than horror.

    I think his analysis has merit, except that I view it with horror.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  42. DRJ and aphrael: I agree with the Scott Adams comments. I know bullies. Trump is a bully. There is no question. Now, for some people, that is okay. Not for me.

    Also, Trump is fundamentally unserious about anything other than platitudes, and likes to put his name all over things he doesn’t do himself. Fair enough, if he had a good crew working for him. But I think Trump is nervous about people smarter than he is.

    Scott Adams is not really correct, to my view, about this hypnotism nonsense.

    I think that many folks are just tired of business as usual, and REALLY resent political correctness. Trump seems to fit into both of these categories, especially the second. But it’s more reactive than proactive. Who knows what Trump will do? I still think he will crash and burn when the DNC and MSM bear down on him….and no doubt he will lose his temper and say more crazy things. I could be wrong, of course.

    It’s funny to me, and sad, to see folks posting here who were proud of not voting in 2008 and 2012 playing the “but the alternative is so much worse” game now…because they sure didn’t agree with that point of view then.

    Scary times.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  43. I have no problem with what Trump said. This has gotten stupid. The next time they ask about it he should throw out a question to one of these alleged journalists: “Do you clowns have anything else to talk about? Do you ask Clinton about Uranium One (or some other ethical question surrounding Clinton)?” He should do that every time now when they ask about the veteran donations.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/1/2016 @ 6:34 am

    Yes, its oh so stupid to ask a presidential candidate who said he’d give money to veterans organizations whether he actually gave that money. And its stupid to find out that four months after he raised that one checks go out the same day that the press reports the money wasn’t given out.

    I don’t see why we should care that a candidate said he was going to do something but didn’t until called on it. I mean, that won’t matter in office, right???

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  44. Trump has released a list of SCOTUS judges he’s considering which are conservative to one degree or another. Also Trump supports the Second Amendment as far as I can tell. Further I think he’s smart enough to know that some things he might want to do in the immigration area would be blocked by liberal judges.

    Well A) we can’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth (see aforementioned veterans donations) so why should we believe he would actually appoint them and B) he’s ALREADY said he would not be committed to actual picking any of the people on that list.

    He doesn’t care about the Second Amendment any more than immigration- they are just things he says to get elected. He’s a deal maker, and he will make a deal to get a justice on the court.

    Most people seem to think he would appoint at least an Anthony Kennedy type to SCOTUS. Most NeverTrumpers that I’ve seen, or people who are unsure about Trump, including Patterico, don’t even try to argue that he’d appoint liberals to SCOTUS. They just say it’s not enough, or may not be enough, of a reason to vote for him.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/1/2016 @ 9:05 am

    We don’t know! He very well may. He may appoint a Souter! Remember, most squishy justices get more liberal as time passes (see Roberts).

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  45. > see folks posting here who were proud of not voting in 2008 and 2012 playing the “but the alternative is so much worse” game now

    Huh. I wasn’t aware there were people posting here who were proud of not voting in 2008 and 2012.

    I think there’s a fair case to be made on both sides that “but the alternative is so much worse” argument is stronger in 2016 than it was in 2012. Which is to say, I can easily see people who didn’t care in 2008 or 2012 being really incensed by either Trump or Sen. Clinton.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  46. Party drones just don’t get it. Hillary was super-beatable. We could have had a great Republican President. Instead we got a bigger piece of garbage than she is as the GOP nominee. And a truly ridiculous obscenity of a “choice” in November. Either way we vote, we will have a s***ty President. Because of Trump. So let’s not reward the piece of garbage that put us in this situation. Let’s tell him, “YOU’RE FIRED!”

    nk (dbc370)

  47. Ted Cruz and Scott Walker should have tried more harder to put their best foot forward i think.

    now we just have to make the best of the nominee we have!

    His name?

    Mr. Trump!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  48. My friend, could you explain what you mean by good and bad?

    i don’t want to do definitions today

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  49. Part of winning an election is knowing who to target. Trump realizes conservatives aren’t his best targets. He and his supporters should focus on disaffected Democrats because they are more realistic targets to vote for a liberal New Yorker.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  50. But Trump won’t do anything that logical because his huge ego requires everyone to go crazy over him and his chaotic campaign.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  51. When it comes to Republicans vs the media, whose side does Trump take? The Media.

    This is your guy, Trump supporters. He bullies the media but he also curries favor, when it hurts other Republicans.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  52. That’s a parody website but admit it fooled you, Trump folk. It’s exactly what you expect from him.

    DRJ (76a58a)

  53. “Yes, its oh so stupid to ask a presidential candidate who said he’d give money to veterans organizations whether he actually gave that money.”

    Yes, it is stupid. Just like asking a presidential candidate about a zoo gorilla is stupid. The important issues for the country are illegal immigration, controlling the borders, and improving the economy. And you guys are falling for the “Oh look! A squirrel!” tactic.
    I personally am glad that Trump doesn’t get bogged down in trivial issues — like the press always wants the Repub candidate to get sidetracked on.

    ———–
    “45.Party drones just don’t get it. Hillary was super-beatable. We could have had a great Republican President.”
    No, we wouldn’t have. What we would have had is another McCain type, or Romney type. What we would have had would have been Jeb Bush.

    It was never down to Trump keeping Cruz or Walker from getting the nomination. If Trump wasn’t running we would have had Jeb. Cruz & Walker & Rubio & etc. would have been just another Huckabee, unable to get out of single digits.

    When it comes to “super-beatable”, wait and watch. Trump will beat her like a baby seal.

    ———
    “49. But Trump won’t do anything that logical because his huge ego requires everyone to go crazy over him and his chaotic campaign.”
    Yeah. Trump is so crazy that he thinks he has a chance at winning the Republican nomination, he’s so crazy he thinks he stands a chance against Jeb Bush.

    As far as his chaotic campaign: I note that he won the most delegates, the most states, the most popular votes, and he gets 25,000 – 35,000 people to come to his rallies. If this is a failed campaign, wonder what a successful one would look like.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  54. Here’s some powder for your butt hurt (real product).
    Now get over yourself.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  55. The hits keep on coming: according to Trump’s own employees, Trump University was a fraudulent scam targeting gullible old people.

    Shouldn’t surprise anyone that Trump Candidacy is no different.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  56. Yeah sure Levi. And Lady Liberty needs hip waders. Moron.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  57. Trump Golf Course “needs hip waders,” apparently. You could ask Trump about that, but he’d lie to you. And as a gullible old person, you’d believe him.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  58. (I’m just guessing that you’re old. I acknowledge that you might not be old).

    Leviticus (efada1)

  59. Good find, Leviticus @56.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  60. Papertiger @55: would it be too much to ask that you use the names people have chosen for themselves, rather than arbitrarily shortening their names in a way that they haven’t done in more than a decade of commenting here?

    aphrael (3f0569)

  61. You have the tone of a law giver. Setting rules and policy. But then you applaud as Trump is painted a hypocrite for following the stupidities and arbitrary rules set up by a congress of Irish louts.

    So because I prefer following my own counsel, even at the risk of being wrong in the eyes of others, to being painted a hypocrite at a later date by connivers, I’ll have to answer yes that is too much to ask.

    By linking to Guardian slop, Levi asks to be made small of.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  62. Papertiger, if you think i’m acting as a lawgiver, setting rules and policy, then you misunderstand me. :) I’m not concerned with *law*; i’m concerned with *politeness*.

    I took your comment in #55 as being actively rude to someone who has been a member of this community for a long time, and was indirectly asking you to knock it off.

    The clear conclusion, for me, is that you are unconcerned with politeness.

    On some level this is not surprising to me. On another level, it’s disappointing.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  63. > Trump is painted a hypocrite for following the stupidities and arbitrary rules set up by a congress of Irish louts.

    I would not paint Trump as a hypocrite.

    I would say that all of the available evidence suggests that Trump is perfectly willing to abuse systems, *and people*, to get what he wants, and he seems in no way to be bound by moral or ethical considerations.

    And I would say that people who believe that he will fight for *them*, instead of using them for his own self-interest and then discarding them at the earliest possible opportunity, are deluded.

    It would be tragically sad if it weren’t so dangerous for the republic.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  64. it took much to ignore where he came from, and what it would entail,

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/05/obamas-ho-chi-minh-trail.html

    narciso (732bc0)

  65. papertiger has somehow convinced himself that he is the one gullible old person that Trump *won’t* actively attempt to defraud. Not him, no sir – papertiger is special. The one that’s gonna make it, yes sir.

    Maybe papertiger can donate $1,500 to Trump’s campaign, in order to receive the super-double-secret-insider’s handbook revealing all the secret insider-y reasons that papertiger should donate $35,000 to become an Elite Gold Insider Presidential Advisor to the Actual President Trump Himself!!!1!

    Leviticus (efada1)

  66. An extra $15,000 gets you a Solid Gold ™ Trump Brand Elite Hillary! Hater’s Merit Badge, which you could proudly display from your shirt, if you still had one.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  67. how much of the fast and furious documentation has been released, documenting the deaths of hundred by state policy, arming the zetas and the sinaloa cartel, practically none,

    narciso (732bc0)

  68. I got a personal introduction to Koko, the allegedly sign-language-using gorilla at Stanford, back in the summer of 1980. We played a brief game of chase-and-tickle. Koko’s tickling left my ribs looking like they’d been pounded enthusiastically with a ball-peen hammer. I was content to stop after one round.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  69. did you, koko apparently doesn’t know his own strength,

    narciso (732bc0)

  70. A Trump win neuters conservatism; a Hillary win neuters conservatism. The ultimate goal.

    And a win/win! God, this is a fantastic election cycle.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  71. PRESS TO TRUMP: “WHAT ABOUT YOUR TAXES?”
    TRUMP TO PRESS: “SEE THE GYPSY QUEEN IN A GLAZE OF VASEOLINE!”

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  72. “Her strength” — and it was indeed impressive, but I’m unpersuaded she didn’t know it. She liked to win at tickle.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  73. Beldar, why do you hedge with ‘allegedly’ the claim that Koko is sign-language using?

    aphrael (3f0569)

  74. gotta love that monkey

    happyfeet (831175)


Powered by WordPress.

Page loaded in: 0.4212 secs.