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5/24/2016

Trump Now Claiming He Never Said He Raised $6 Million for Veterans

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 pm



WaPo:

Almost four months after promising $1 million of his own money to veterans’ causes, Donald Trump moved to fulfill that pledge Monday evening — promising the entire sum to a single charity as he came under intense media scrutiny.

. . . .

When asked Tuesday whether he had given the money this week only because reporters had been asking about it, Trump responded: “You know, you’re a nasty guy. You’re really a nasty guy. I gave out millions of dollars that I had no obligation to do.”

Problem is, he claimed he had raised $6 million, and then ponied up around $4.5 million. So he’s short $1.5 million. Which he could easily fill the gap from his supposedly large personal fortune. So, will he?

Thing is, Trump also lied about whether he ever claimed to have raised $6 million:

Trump also said he had never actually promised that the fundraiser had raised $6 million. “I didn’t say six,” he said.

But, in video of the event, Trump tells the crowd, “We just cracked $6 million! Right? $6 million.”

Trump was told that he did, indeed, say “$6 million.”

“Well, I don’t, I don’t have the notes. I don’t have the tape of it,” he said. “Play [the tape] for me. Because I’d like to hear it.” Before the video could be cued up, Trump had moved on.

And the Washington Post had let him. Meanwhile, did he ever answer any questions about being John Miller without hanging up? Nope. That passed and so will this. He’ll tell a different lie and all the dogs in the media will go chase that car instead.

356 Responses to “Trump Now Claiming He Never Said He Raised $6 Million for Veterans”

  1. Ruff!

    Yoda (feee21)

  2. The natural question was “Do you trouble remembering, Mr. Trump?” Or are they saving that for after the convention? It’s something the RNC should ask too.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. Against any other candidate this would be a huge problem, but he’s (presumably) running against the Clintons, who famously take lying to a level that no other politician has yet dared. Does anyone want to argue that Bill and Hillary can make a good case against him where sheer dishonesty is concerned?

    JVW (eabb2a)

  4. Then there is this explanation:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-bulkeley-phd/donald-trump-the-sleep-de_b_9413588.html

    Sleep deprivation.

    Simon Jester (f0f6ef)

  5. I’m pretty sure Trump is a bad candidate. I’m pretty sure that Woods and Doherty in Benghazi were both VETERANS and former Navy Seals.

    Smell what I’m cooking Patterico??? Trump is a bad bad man.

    Patterico, your toga is clean. I get it. Stevens, Smith, Doherty, Woods. Learn their names, remember them.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  6. So where’s the tote board? During a one day telethon Trump should be excused for a bit of aspirational thinking.

    Or was it Trump actual in the counting room?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. Against any other candidate this would be a huge problem, but he’s (presumably) running against the Clintons, who famously take lying to a level that no other politician has yet dared. Does anyone want to argue that Bill and Hillary can make a good case against him where sheer dishonesty is concerned?

    Listening to her call him dishonest or self-interested is remarkable. It’s like listening to him call her crooked. In all these cases it’s one of the rare times the candidate is speaking the truth, but you don’t care to give them credit for it because you are too busy hating both of them.

    Patterico (5ff298)

  8. Who knows papertiger, all we know is he said it, which meant only stupid people believed it.

    Patterico (5ff298)

  9. What do you accomplish with trashing Trump? Elect the Hilldabest and all that she promises? I kind of thought you’re a wee bit over an average IQ; not much over. Just a bit. But the longer you go on with this nonsense, you’re getting to a room temp IQ in San Diego in January…I know you wanted Lyin Ted, but not many others did. Take the lesser evil like we’ve almost always been given.

    dee (d503d6)

  10. Saying something is aspirational is different from saying it is a fact but then you knew that you little spin artist now didn’t you well sure you did

    Patterico (5ff298)

  11. What do I hope to accomplish? With any luck, I can royally piss off people who use phrases like Lyin’ Ted. Is it working? Gosh I hope so. If not I’ll just have to keep it up until it does.

    Patterico (5ff298)

  12. With any luck, I can royally piss off people who use phrases like Lyin’ Ted.

    That in itself is a noble quest. Keep up the fine work, sir.

    Glenn (78aa2c)

  13. Patterico, Stevens, Smith, Doherty and Woods are all still DEAD. Rodham allowed that to happen, or more accurately, RODHAM was a DRUNK ass-wipe, and let…Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty to be KILLED. And then at ANDREWS AFB, Hillary RODHAM, lied to the families and LIED IN FRONT OF ….AGAIN…STEVENS, SMITH, WOODS and DOHERTY’S ….UNITED STATES FLAG DRAPED COFFINS, and the requisite HEARSES. Would you like to debate RODHAM’S CRIMINALITY FURTHER???

    GUS (30b6bd)

  14. Is Patterico actually claiming he’s raised more money for veterans than Trump has? I don’t even remember the effort.

    jcurtis (adc84f)

  15. Is that all you want to accomplish is to piss off peeps that don’t agree with you? Lyin’ Ted was a perfect description of a Texassian. I realize your guy didn’t win. But the fight is winning in November, nothing else matters. Get your head around that…

    dee (d503d6)

  16. One possibility comes to mind; when Trump said 6 million, was that how much he was saying had been pledged, or how much received? As anyone who has done charity fundraising will tell you, pledges sometimes don’t come through.

    I’m not claiming that’s what happened, but I see it as possible.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  17. I expect that this blog will be read by about 15 bitter ‘true conservatives’ by November. Trying to re-fight the last war is boring and a ridiculous waste of time. It’s strictly for a certain kind of person.

    Mr Black (7c41e5)

  18. All the no Trumpers on this site were working hard last night in New Mexico, trying to get their goddess elected.
    swine.

    mg (31009b)

  19. “He’ll tell a different lie and all the dogs in the media will go chase that car instead.”

    Ropelight, happyfeet, Papertiger, et al are the short legged lapdogs at the back trying to keep up. They follow Goebbel’s dictum that repetition eventually will persuade enough people to buy the lie. Apparently it works well enough, enough of the time.

    “But the fight is winning in November, nothing else matters.”

    What matters is whether American principles are going to mean anything in the future. If Trump wins, it will be proven to the world that a manipulative con artist can fool enough people to be elected to the highest office in the land. Traditional principles of Western civilization, the Constitution, and American conservative fundamentals will be demonstrated to be worthless and irrelevant; just quaint outmoded concepts that are unecessary and unwanted in an American election. If Hillary wins, we’ll have four more years just like the last eight. If Trump wins, every other ambitious future candidate, in either party, will adopt the same tactics and morals. America will truly become a banana republic.

    The poorly educated (Trump’s words) haven’t thought it through, but there is a reason he loves them.

    Luke Stywalker (8f494a)

  20. No Trumpers are Sorros backing traitors.

    mg (31009b)

  21. soros

    mg (31009b)

  22. Trumpkins are green-toothed dog molesters.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. oh my goodness remind me how many monies harvardtrash ted the phony jesus-lovin loser gave to anyone, ever

    How many?

    Not many!

    Whereas Mr. Trump raised 4.5 million heartwarming dollars for them pickles!

    He helped people – real peoples – while surly failmericans sneered that he *stole* the monies from failmerica’s wretched pathetic needy veterans in line at DisneyWhirl!

    No stealing! Just giving!

    Contrast this with pee-stank, who’s always on the take like a pooper. Plus she holds women down while her husband (Bill Clinton) does rape on them!

    Hello?

    Thank you Mr. The Donald for all you do – you’re – and I mean this – you’re a goddamn plum lolly and I for one, I’m grateful for everything you done for the veterans and for America.

    happyfeet (831175)

  24. Any kind of dog.

    nk (dbc370)

  25. Patterico is more butt hurt about Cruz than he is upset about Hillary being POTUS.

    That about tells me everything I know.

    Mortal enemy of good enough is perfect.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  26. I expect that this blog will be read by about 15 bitter ‘true conservatives’ by November. Trying to re-fight the last war is boring and a ridiculous waste of time. It’s strictly for a certain kind of person.

    Mr Black (7c41e5) — 5/25/2016 @ 2:55 am

    Which of course explains why you’re here. You’re trying to explain to that poor, benighted group of 15 to get on the Trump bandwagon before it’s too late, right? Sorry dude. I ain’t running to catch up just so I can sit next to your stinky ass.

    No Trumpers are Sorros backing traitors.

    mg (31009b) — 5/25/2016 @ 3:38 am

    So, what do you propose to do about us? Do you have any solutions for that, or do you just like to hear yourself act all indignant? Newsflash, Sparky: I have a right to go never Trump, and there isn’t a thing you can do.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  27. Dear Trumpeters

    No one here likes Hillary. To the best of my knowledge no one here will actually vote for her in November.

    But in nominating Trump, the GOP has actually managed to make her the lesser of two demons.

    I am faced with the choice of two big government authoritarian statists, so I choose to vote for neither.

    kishnevi (dd2dec)

  28. hmmmm

    sometimes a cigar is just a good smoke like Dr. Freud said in his pretty pretty slip

    but the pikachu keeps calling trump a lollipop

    plus he likes trannie bathrooms and gay marriaging

    Im thinking he is like that milo person and wants to call trump Daddy

    this unlocks a whole new level of trumpsnuffling in this lurid video game what we call politics

    in fact i dont think this is politics at all but what is really really personal for the pikachu

    for realz

    Im no hater and letting your freak flag fly is good

    there are limits like spraytans and orange hairpieces and piggy piggy yelly braggy behavior though

    this is obvious to anyone willing to do the analysis

    maybe oblivious is a mo better word

    trumpyfeet (f0f6ef)

  29. Donnie’s New Problem: A Short Story
    (With humble apologies to any real writers you recognize)

    happyfeet the Seer reluctantly put down his much-worn and stained copy of Meter-Maids In Bondage and looked questioningly at the orange-skinned man who had just walked into his fortune-telling booth at the Greater Chicago Occult Festival And Flea Market. The alien creature perched on the man’s head looked back at him.

    “I am looking for happyfeet the Seer”, said the orange-skinned man.

    “Fortune smiles on you today, good sir, for you have found him”, responded happyfeet.

    “You are happyfeet the Seer?”, asked the orange-skinned man.

    “None other, sir”, said happyfeet.

    “What is a seer doing reading Meter Maids In Bondage? I would think that a seer would be perusing some ancient grimoire or the Necronomicon.”

    “The question is nuncupatory”, replied happyfeet. “My secrets are not sold cheaply. It is perilous to waste my time.”

    “On that subject”, said the orange-skinned man, “what exactly are your rates?”

    “I respond to three questions,” stated the augur. “For twenty dollars I phrase the answer in clear and actionable language; for ten I use the language of cant, which occasionally admits of ambiguity; for five, I speak a parable which you must interpret as you will; and for one dollar, I babble in an unknown tongue.”

    The seer’s visitor, visibly relieved at not being referred to as the orange-skinned man for once, reached into his pocket and pulled out a roll of cash from which he extracted a twenty-dollar bill.

    “You better hold on to that”, said happyfeet. “I have never been known to give other than the one-dollar answer.”

    (to be continued)

    nk (dbc370)

  30. you have to trust me Mr. nk pee-stank has no love for America no love at all

    she’s a vicious crotch-damp predator

    whereas Mr. The Donald, he wants so bad to help do the jobs and the prosperity

    you just gotta let him into your heart Mr. nk

    I did

    and it’s such a good feeling

    happyfeet (831175)

  31. Post13: well stated,sir. Mr.Patterico believes that Mr. Trump poses the greatest threat to our Republic, Constitution and moral compass than the last seven years of President 44 and his cabal.I do not hold that viewpoint given the ample empirical evidence of Mr. Obama in action.However, this is his site and this WaPo article he uses borders on “Captain Ahab” to me and empirical evidence to others.

    mike191 (4c004d)

  32. ha ha ha

    the pikachu has let Daddy into many things besides his heart

    like lenny kravitz sang you gotta let buttsnuffling love rule

    trumpyfeet (f0f6ef)

  33. Patterico, Stevens, Smith, Doherty and Woods are all still DEAD. Rodham allowed that to happen, or more accurately, RODHAM was a DRUNK ass-wipe, and let…Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty to be KILLED. And then at ANDREWS AFB, Hillary RODHAM, lied to the families and LIED IN FRONT OF ….AGAIN…STEVENS, SMITH, WOODS and DOHERTY’S ….UNITED STATES FLAG DRAPED COFFINS, and the requisite HEARSES. Would you like to debate RODHAM’S CRIMINALITY FURTHER???

    GUS (30b6bd) — 5/24/2016 @ 11:23 pm

    For God’s sake, take your blinders off and look at the facts piling up in front of you. Trump lies about absolutely everything! He went on and on and on about how he raised “six million dollars” for vets in January (after chickening out of facing Megyn Kelly), and now he says “I didn’t say six.” Told that there is video evidence of him saying “six million,” he says “I don’t have the notes” as if that’s his ticket out. On balance, that’s an even more dishonest remark than the all-time Bill Clinton classic “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”

    What the hell makes you think that if elected, President Donald Trump (retch) wouldn’t lie (or send out people to lie) to cover up a deadly blunder as big as Benghazi?

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  34. With any luck, I can royally piss off people who use phrases like Lyin’ Ted. Is it working? Gosh I hope so.

    You had me with the Constitutional Vanguard, but this seals the deal. Thank you for that comment

    avid lurker (3088ef)

  35. Jeez. We have all gone crazy.

    LN, thank you for writing that. Of course you are correct.

    But I think both sides of the political divide have gone a little nuts out of their hatred for the establishment. So they line up behind people who are quite establishment, but say that they aren’t.

    Dear Lord help us.

    Simon Jester (f0f6ef)

  36. Next up: exposé of Jerry Lewis and Jerry’s Kids

    Colonel Haiku (6f2264)

  37. Patterico actually claiming he’s raised more money for veterans than Trump has? I don’t even remember the effort.

    Nah, I never had a debate in front of Megyn Kelly to run away from like the Sniveling Coward.

    Patterico (5ff298)

  38. Donnie’s New Problem: A Short Story

    (continued)
    “I am …”, began the orange-skinned man.

    “Tinius Donius Digitus Brevitus Vulgarianus”, interrupted happyfeet. “Scion of the House of FHA Fred who was more successful and less pretentious”.

    “It’s good to be recognized”, beamed Tinius Donius, hoping that would be the end of the “orange-skinned man” references.

    “It’s not hard for a seer”, said happyfeet. “Besides, you’ve held the number one spot in Ripley’s Believe It Or Not for twelve years running.”

    Tiring of this story already, happyfeet rushed on. “eurotrash hooker hoochie coochie crotch-damp t**t!”, he shouted out.

    “What was that?”, asked Tinius Donius.

    “The answer to your question”, said happyfeet. “You lost your penis again, despite having hired Mar Map in the previous story to guard it for you, and you want to know how to find it. That will be one dollar, please.”

    “But what you said does not make sense”, said the crestfallen Tinius.

    “That’s why it’s only a buck, buddy”, said happyfeet. “But hand over that double-sawback and I’ll make a wild guess for you even though it’s bending the rules of the Seers Guild.”

    Donius hesitated and then handed over the twenty.

    “Start a modeling agency — let’s call it the Trump Modeling Agency for the sake of argument — and bring over young Middle-European women as “models” on H1-B visas. One of them might have your penis.”

    “You know that just might work”, said Donius.

    “Besides, what do other options do you have?”, asked the alien creature on his head speaking for the first time.

    “Thanks, guys”, said Donius.

    “You’re welcome”, said happyfeet, pocketing the twenty.

    The alien creature just stared.

    THE END

    nk (dbc370)

  39. This is taking teh Vast Rightwing Conspiracy in an entirely new direction!

    and somewhere, a Pantsuited Pantload is cackling…

    Colonel Haiku (6f2264)

  40. So now we know: The Washinton Post was working on a story about Trump and the veterans money that involved asking the campaign to clarify how much money was raised and given away. Instead of getting answers and making sure the money got to the veterans, Trump started attack tweeting about WaPo, Bezos, and Amazon. This is what he will do as President.

    DRJ (15874d)

  41. There’s a part of me that says every Republican President from Nixon to Bush 43 should have done the same thing, DRJ. The MSM is not really on our side.

    nk (dbc370)

  42. And Trump supporters like this because, at heart, his campaign is about getting even because “If you do not get even, you are just a schmuck!”

    DRJ (15874d)

  43. 16. Arizona CJ (da673d) — 5/25/2016 @ 1:29 am

    One possibility comes to mind; when Trump said 6 million, was that how much he was saying had been pledged, or how much received? As anyone who has done charity fundraising will tell you, pledges sometimes don’t come through.

    I’m not claiming that’s what happened, but I see it as possible

    That’s actually a plausible explanation. That number (except for maybe what had been authorized via credit card, and even that can fall through) has to be pledged donations. Trump said that in the middle of the telethon. It probably eventually reached an even higher figure later.

    The next question has to be: How come Donald Trump is so out of contact with the details, that he doesn’t know that?? Most likely, because he just doesn’t care. Otherwise he’d know both figures: what was pledged, and what came in. He only did this as an excuse not to take part in a candidate’s debate. He probably promptly (or after a day or two) forgot the number he announced, which was only partial, anyway. The bad thing is he forgot he announced a number raised so far. If he wasn’t so dishonest, he’d probably have figured it out.

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  44. nk,

    I disagree but if you are right then we deserve Trump. Fighting back is not the same as fighting for something, and one problem with Hillary and Trump is that they are only fighting for themselves.

    I think conservatives should do more to diversify the media (not to mention the culture) but we relied on Fox and it sold out or was blackmailed. But I will continue to fight for conservatism because in the long fun, it’s the only message and system that works.

    DRJ (15874d)

  45. Well no, bezos said he was going to out 20 reporters on his case, when they have mostly covered up red queen’s villainy.

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. I actually remember Dan Rather cross-examining Nixon at a White House press conference about Vietnam (?), and Nixon being frustrated but still polite. I would not have minded if Nixon had said, “Mr. Rather, you know, you are a nasty guy. A really nasty guy.”

    nk (dbc370)

  47. No, Sammy. John Miller is a reflexive liar, as John Barron can easily verify. It is his first recourse when confronted and is closely followed by a sprint for the exit. The WaPo achieved its objective with this story and the method of hammering on a lie until he runs is going to be repeated ad nauseum. After all,the propagandists are guaranteed new material every time he opens his mouth.

    Rick Ballard (97c612)

  48. If he wasn’t so dishonest, he’d probably have said to himself: “I know I didn’t lie, and I know that $6 million didn’t come in, and the newspaper is probably not making up that statement that I said there was $6 million, so what happened here?”

    And then maybe the penny would have dropped…

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  49. nk,

    Whether or not a President or wannabe-President calls someone a nasty guy isn’t my point. I happen to think that demonstrating a command of the facts and showing competent management skills are better ways to fight back, but people can disagree on style. Obviously a lot of people love Trump’s love of getting even.

    But my point is that Trump chose only to attack the Post and appears to have done nothing to look into the veterans’ money issue. He didn’t find out how much money was pledged and received. He didn’t decide who to donate the money to. He didn’t make sure the pledged money was donated to specific charities. He didn’t decide whether to give money himself. He didn’t delegate the issue to a specific person to deal with and respond to media inquiries. He didn’t even bother to find out what he had said about the funds raised in the past.

    This shows that Trump can’t be bothered with details, even when they are totally in his control. He trusts the power of his personality and his ability to play the media to deal with everything — even things he has notice the media will be asking about. That shows Trump is profoundly disorganized and demonstrates lazy management skills, but it’s not surprising given his campaign behavior and his business history.

    DRJ (15874d)

  50. The way the repubs in the senate undercut Lee the other day, having someone who makes deals is the last thing we need,
    We do need the Cruz and Amash and Congressman X to just call them all out on their lies, undo Obama’s EO’s, and if nothing else gets done for 2 years that would be just fine

    MD in Philly (2b30b4)

  51. I remember several conversation on talk radio where the question was asked,”do you think,conservatives would,could defend and stand behind a candidate as bad as Hilary” then listing all the most well known problems, and every conservative said they would NEVER back someone like Hillary. That conservatives have principles and values. That the leftards would support anyone with a D next to their name,no matter how bad the candidate was.

    Guess there were a whole lot of liars who really can defend the indefensible on the conservative side , who now have proven they are just as vile,obnoxious, hypocritical, and stupid as the Leftards are about their side. That’s my biggest disappointment in this race, that a large group of conservatives have proven they are no better,no smarter than those they hypocrically complained about. That they have no more self awareness than leftards. Worse, I don’t think they are even redeemable from here on out.

    David L (d79fec)

  52. Dan rather who eventually resorted to fraud, the progs are burning this country to the foundation, and you keep with this rigamarole.

    narciso (48ecae)

  53. If Clinton loses, it won’t be because she is dishonest, crude and rude — so is Trump. It will be because she’s a Dukakis-like candidate who comes across as lacking in personality. The good news for Trump is that he has a personality. The bad news is that’s all he has.

    DRJ (15874d)

  54. narciso,

    What you call rigamarole, I call values. Values are what make America different and successful.

    DRJ (15874d)

  55. 47. Rick Ballard (97c612) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:09 am

    No, Sammy. John Miller is a reflexive liar, as John Barron can easily verify. It is his first recourse when confronted and is closely followed by a sprint for the exit.

    That’s exactly it, of course. He couldn’t say to himself, I know I didn’t lie. And this is so even though it is a lie he probably wouldn’t make, and doesn’t remember making.

    The WaPo achieved its objective with this story and the method of hammering on a lie until he runs is going to be repeated ad nauseum.

    Except that it wasn’t actually a lie, just a gotcha, with an obvious explanation, once you realize it. There is some sort of lie there, but it is not too much Donald Trump’s fault. This is a lie that all fundraiseres, including those for good liberal causes, like your local public radio station, make: Treating pledged donations as the same as actual donations.

    Now Donald Trump actually could be forgiven here for not realizing that number would never be fulfilled – that was probably his first experience in running a charity pledge drive.

    After all,the propagandists are guaranteed new material every time he opens his mouth.

    Even so, it’s somewhat easier to come up with accusations that aren’t accurate. Or aren’t quite accurate.

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  56. Without values, our society becomes one where people don’t care about and look out for each other. Instead of living by the Rule of Law, we break every rule we think we can get away with. That is not how societies become successful. It’s how societies degenerate into survival mode that leads to subsistence level living.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. Sammy,

    It’s been almost 5 months, which is more than enough time for the fundraiser accounting to be completed. The numbers are known/available but Trump doesn’t care. He wants an argument that he can use to attack the media. It’s probably a good tactic but do we want that in any President? If it was wrong for Obama and the Democrats, it’s wrong for evetyone. But a lot of people want that. They want another Obama who is on their side.

    DRJ (15874d)

  58. MD,

    If Cruz and Lee oppose anything a President Trump does or says, Trump will attack them far more than he wold ever attack the Democrats and the media. There is nothing to hold Trump back from trying to destroy principled conservatives, and all we will hear for 4 years is Lyin Ted. No wonder McConnell supports Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  59. Who knows papertiger, all we know is he said it, which meant only stupid people believed it.

    No, only stupid people, dishonest people, or both would think that an announcement of “money raised” on the day of a fundraiser would be anything other than “pledges received”. In all the MDA telethons, walk-a-thons, swim-a-thons, and other various fundraisers I have attended or watched, I have very seldom heard them announce “We have gotten pledges of $X! Hopefully they will all pay up.” Instead, there are periodic updates of “We have now raised $X!” And every one of you know that, but in order to get your favorite candidate, Hillary, elected, you are willing to pretend (or lie to most people) just like your previous favorite candidate did repeatedly, both as a legislator and a candidate.

    So this is how far you have sunk. All you have is “Trump will do horrible things” (based on nothing other than your own hatred) and “Trump didn’t really raise $6M for veterans. Of course, he raised $5.5M more than you and your fellow Cruzites raised, but that’s not the point. The point is that he said “$6M raised” when he should have said “$6M pledged” and so he is unfit to run for President.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  60. That’s not what we’re saying, prowlerguy. What we are saying is Trump has the information now but won’t release it. All we have are his earlier statements.

    Trump (or someone from his campaign) should provide updates, but he won’t. He wants this fight because he wins Twitter wars. It’s the details of governing and accounting that trip him up. Is that what you want in your President, another Obama?

    DRJ (15874d)

  61. Sammy,

    The $6 million self aggrandizing puffery wasn’t the lie, the “I didn’t say six.” was the lie. The stink on this one is so great even Trump has had to notice – it’s affecting his polling. The propagandist’s victory consists of having him reflexively lie to cover, not in exploiting his failing to use the “generous donors have pledged” rather than the “I raised” formulation. The propagandists can be depended upon to stimulate his reflexive lying just as they can be depended upon to goad him into pulling the apophasis trigger over and over and over.

    Rick Ballard (97c612)

  62. 53. DRJ (15874d) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:44 am

    If Clinton loses, it won’t be because she is dishonest, crude and rude — so is Trump.

    She’s not crude, and rude, not in public anyway. But she’s a much better – and BIGGER – liar than Donald Trump. She carefully works out all of her lies,(with enormous help) and rarely gets taken out of the book. She avoids unpredictable questions.

    It will be because she’s a Dukakis-like candidate who comes across as lacking in personality.

    That must be what’s affecting millenials. It’s probably just a side effect of always lying, and trying never to leave a bad impression. So she looks like she has no more personality than the Queen of England. (appears to have)

    The good news for Trump is that he has a personality. The bad news is that’s all he has.

    It’s, in many ways, a bad personality. Of course people like to see people not inhibited by political correctness. I liked him a little bit saying something about Vincent Foster – except he showed he is an ignoramus, and he gets it all wrong (Foster’s death was a surprise to Clinton – that’s the whole point, and key to the mystery, so naturally Clinton leaked a version in which he was killed because of sex or at place he had sex with the implication Clinton knew in advance)

    And Trump’s just saying things, here and other places, because other people said it, without caring about its truth value. He never cares about the truth value of any accusations he repeats – only that somebody said it.

    Of course, I’d like to see Trump make some accurate accusations, or at least steer people in the right direction. If he doesn’t get scared off by the first rebuttal – and he doesn’t, nor by the second – that could be very dangerous for Hillary Clinton.

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  63. You’re a New Yorker so she doesn’t seem crude and rude to you, but she does to me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  64. prowlerguy, Trump did it for bragging rights, and he used it for bragging rights to the hilt. So now he gets called on his brag, and he lies and runs. Only Gammas think this Combover is an Alpha and unfortunately they are allowed to vote.

    nk (dbc370)

  65. Rick Ballard (97c612) — 5/25/2016 @ 8:12 am

    The $6 million self aggrandizing puffery wasn’t the lie, the “I didn’t say six.” was the lie. The stink on this one is so great even Trump has had to notice – it’s affecting his polling. The propagandist’s victory consists of having him reflexively lie to cover, not in exploiting his failing to use the “generous donors have pledged” rather than the “I raised” formulation.

    “I didn’t say six.” instead of saying “I don’t remember” was the lie. Even when Trump told the truth, he thinks he must have lied.

    It wasn’t puffery. In that context, “generous donors have pledged” goes without saying. What did he say? “We just cracked $6 million!”

    (And then he expects the crowd to agree, like as if there was any way they could know. That does sound like he had some doubts about it.)

    And then later, Trump did nothing about forwarding the money.

    Another bad thing is this:

    When asked Tuesday whether he had given the money this week only because reporters had been asking about it, Trump responded: “You know, you’re a nasty guy. You’re really a nasty guy. I gave out millions of dollars that I had no obligation to do.”

    Yes, he only gave it because they started asking about it. What does he men he had no oobligation? Didn’t he promise? And raise money on that promise?

    That’s it, unless maybe the issue is that Trump pledged somewhere to make good any pledges that failed to materialize.

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  66. No Trumpers are Sorros backing traitors.

    mg (31009b) — 5/25/2016 @ 3:38 am

    Just like the Soros guy running the Trump campaign’s financials?

    I see we have an influx of Trumpers here. They think that Trump won’t be controlled because he doesn’t take donations (until he does). They think he will control illegal immigration (until he does touchback amnesty). They think we are only upset that Cruz lost (except for many of us Cruz was a second, third, or even fourth choice). They think they can convince us by singing the glories of Trump (except he’s a liar.).

    Sorry. #NeverTrump #NeverClinton #AlwaysLiberty

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  67. What do I hope to accomplish? With any luck, I can royally piss off people who use phrases like Lyin’ Ted. Is it working? Gosh I hope so. If not I’ll just have to keep it up until it does.

    Hear, hear. The Trumpkins kept repeating Trump’s dishonest name calling. They have earned the ridicule.

    At one time, I saw the argument for Trump over Clinton. But I decided that Trump had gone to far for me to ever vote for him. Now I think its clear that the supposed differences between Trump and Clinton are disappearing.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  68. As a matter of law, pledges to charity are binding contracts. It is one of the exceptions to the gift/lack of consideration rules.

    nk (dbc370)

  69. Bill H.
    I love the turmoil of you elitist lawyer type hacks, anything to put you over the edge.
    My sorry arsed vote cancels your higher morality vote. Tough poop.

    mg (31009b)

  70. More revenge for you, mg. Congratulations.

    Trump finally rallied the portion of the population dumb enough to blame their woes on their neighbors rather than their exploiters.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  71. Let’s talk about the charitable activities of the only two choices we have for president. One puffed up the amount raised in a fundraising event held only to make himself look good.

    The other runs a scam of a family foundation, that was created only to receive political bribes from foreign governments and others looking for influence over the US government.

    I will gladly take the first.

    Mike s (189787)

  72. I love the turmoil of you elitist lawyer type hacks, anything to put you over the edge.
    My sorry arsed vote cancels your higher morality vote. Tough poop.

    mg (31009b) — 5/25/2016 @ 8:50 am

    There’s a lot of wrong in that statement, MG.

    First off, Iv’e stated it before, but ICYMI, I’ll say it again: I am not a lawyer. I am a car electrician. A very good one. So, if I’m a hack, it ain’t with the law. If you want to argue law- which, from your comment it looks like you have some disdain for- talk to Patrick directly. I’m sure he can satisfy your need to be humiliated publicly.

    Next on tee: I don’t give a damn what your vote does. You have a right to spend it how you wish. What I’m having a problem with though is you’re continuing to comment on a site that clearly does not support Trump, thinking all the while that your baiting and name calling can’t be called out. Newsflash Sparky: yes it can!! Add that you are doing nothing at all to persuade me that my chosen course is the wrong one, and the only thing I can come up with is you are a troll.

    Are you a troll, MG? Or are you just butthurt that there is a site on the net that doesn’t think in lockstep with your views? Remember, dude- dissent is the highest form of patriotism! Well, since you think like a leftist and believe that everyone should think as you or else, I thought I’d parrot that line back to you.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  73. My willingness to support Trump disappeared when I saw what he did to Heidi Cruz, Ted Cruz, and Ted’s father in the run-up to the Indiana primary. These were defining moments. I didn’t have to take somebody else’s word about what happened, I knew the background to the events, and every aspect of Trump’s behavior was despicable. It’s been about three weeks since the Indiana primary, and Trump has done nothing to make me question my decision. If anything, he’s reinforced my concerns. He is simply not fit for the office. But then again, neither was JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, nor Obama. So the country might survive a Trump presidency. We’ll just be four more years farther away from a republic based on the Rule of Law and the consent of the governed.

    And yet I see that “Republicans” in my state went for the guy at 70% levels. I’m looking forward to seeing who declared themselves to be R’s in this election.

    We live in interesting times.

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  74. ha ha ha #72

    please to imagine my humorous response to trumpsnufflers based on de headline

    pikachu needs better heroes or at least a good safe word

    trumpyfeet (2708f4)

  75. 80 Percent of Americans Want to Label Food That Contains DNA

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:06 am

    Just on the face of it, not even having read the article that’s ridiculous. Everything organic has DNA.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  76. Mr. mg is a patriot with demonstrably excellent moral clarity

    friends don’t let friends do pee-stank on failmerica

    it’s a truism, you see

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  77. Everything organic has DNA except for high fructose corn syrup apparently

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  78. pikachu is a yelly angry judgy person what wants to tell other people what to do in favor of what mr nk calls orange badgerheadness

    its not just about kale versus guacamole anymore

    its the unseemly and unsanitary love for lying money grubbing daddys boys what cant speak its name

    so no surprise that yelly angry judgy people stay together

    maybe its the smell of poop instead of pee

    trumpyfeet (2708f4)

  79. oh dear

    pee-stank are non-compliant

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while U.S. secretary of state broke government rules and was not approved by State Department security officials, according to an internal government watchdog’s report released on Wednesday.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  80. As John Hinderaker concludes in a Power Linetitled “Electing Trump, One Riot at a Time,”“Liberals will try to imply that violence by anti-Trump rioters is somehow Trump’s fault, but they can’t sell that theory. Most people dislike riots and rioters just as much today as they did in 1968. Trump has risen to the top of the political heap in large part because of the enemies he has made. During the primaries, the more he was denounced by liberal reporters, the more votes he got. The same will happen in the general election if voters see that he is besieged by left-wing rioters.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/234624-2/

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  81. I think the stickler is human, dinner party of one.

    narciso (732bc0)

  82. Mr. mg is a patriot with demonstrably excellent moral clarity

    friends don’t let friends do pee-stank on failmerica

    it’s a truism, you see

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:19 am

    You know something, Happyfeet- I’m not even going to question MG’s credentials there. He can be his own version of patriot all he wants. I don’t care. However, I think I get to take offence when I’m called a traitor simply because I don’t see things as he does. He can take that opinion and stick it up your a*s.

    Everything organic has DNA except for high fructose corn syrup apparently

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:19 am

    Even HFCS. I don’t think DNA can be refined out.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  83. 37Nah, I never had a debate in front of Megyn Kelly to run away from like the Sniveling Coward.

    This is silly, no candidate is obligated to participate in a debate. I believe Clinton is currently refusing to debate Sanders.

    James B. Shearer (c0f951)

  84. Donner, I mean.

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. ha ha ha

    compliance is the bugaboo of small short fingered minds

    no matter what you hope, poop-stank badgerhead is not compliant

    oh i see what you mean

    still, poo-stank is ssshhh sssshhhh sekret on any number of issues

    enquiring minds want to know

    trumpyfeet (2708f4)

  86. “Wait a minute, something’s wrong
    He’s the man from the past
    He’s here to do us a favor
    A little human sacrifice
    It’s just supply and demand

    Mr. Kamikazi, Mr. DNA
    He’s an altruistic pervert
    Mr. DNA, Mr. Kamikazi
    Here to spread some genes”

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  87. What I would like to hear:

    “I gave you three words to remember at the start of this interview. What where they?”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  88. To serve man, it’s a cook book.

    narciso (732bc0)

  89. This is silly, no candidate is obligated to participate in a debate.

    The last Presidential candidate who refused to debate was Jimmy Carter, who refused to debate both Reagan and Anderson. So Reagan, Anderson and an empty chair debated.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  90. The last Presidential candidate who refused to debate was Jimmy Carter, who refused to debate both Reagan and Anderson. So Reagan, Anderson and an empty chair debated.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:35 am

    Gawd. John Anderson. I remember his rather desperate, simple-minded slogan: If you vote for him, he can win! God love him he just wasn’t very good, but he was better than Carter. Then again, a dirty mop was better than Carter.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  91. You gotta love these paleo-conservatives (Dole, Buchanan, …, Trump), always pining for the great old days of the 1950’s when the white man was king, the world was at our feet, America manufactured the world’s goods (having bombed everything else to smithereens), unions were strong, Negroes knew their place, the marginal tax rate was 90% and government was our friend. Those were the days.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  92. A Trump spokesman has come forwards to explain that the 6 million was dollars pledged, and not all the money has come in. It was a few days ago. Let me check my google-fu:

    http://www.vox.com/2016/5/24/11759564/controversy-trump-veterans-donations

    Apparently that will post to some Washington Post stuff. It was our old pal Corey Lewandowski who explained that some big donors hadn’t fulfilled their promises. The reporter is ‘Washington Post’s David Fahrenthold’.

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  93. VICTOR DAVIS HANSON: Why Republicans Will Vote For Trump. If we keep seeing things like what happened last night in Albuquerque and at DePaul, lots of Democrats will, too.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/234615-2/

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  94. And also, kudos to nk for a classical Jack Vance, “The question is nuncupatory.”

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  95. Reminds me of Michelle Fields. Lying her a22 off, claiming Trump’s people had thrown her to the ground. And you jumped on board (15+ post worth) with that.

    Normally, we might expect a little background, like Patterico might have told us that Fields mother runs a front group to aid illegal aliens, thus explaining the otherwise inexplicable agenda behind Michelle Fields antics.

    Just kidding. He didn’t do that.

    Pat’s ego. Currently greater than love of truth, justice, or country.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  96. This looks like alie in the interview (this was when he had only transferred something less than $3 million.)

    https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/735140874041085953

    Trump said he’d given millions away, but wouldn’t say to what charities he gave them to (and some are bad after all) Fahrenthold confirmed that this was the same interview where he hung up when asked about posing as his own spokesman.

    Donald Trump and his camapign have bene giving all sorts of back and forth on this:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/24/what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-about-the-money-donald-trump-raised-for-veterans

    Corey Lewandowski told The Post Trump had raised about $4.5 million. Trump said Tuesday that he’d raised about $5.5 million. (Did he top it off, so he could make the $6 million figure look accurate?) On Monday night, after 8 p.m. after The Washington Post had spent the day making a public search on Twitter for any sign of a $1 million personal gift, Donald Trump called James Kallstrom, who is now chairman of the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation, and said he would give him $1 million.

    Before that, at least $3.1 million had been given away, some of it not passing through the Donald J. Trump Foundation, but attributed to the fundraiser. All the charities are officially certified as a charity by the Internal Revenue Service, except for Projects for Patriots, a group based in Iowa that refits houses for disabled vets, which has not yet receioved either the money or official certification as a charity by the IRS

    Lewandowski said the shortfall was because some donors had pledged to give, but then backed out, but did not say who. On Tuesday Trump said all the big donors had followed through on their pledges.

    Now they say the last money will be given away by Memorial Day. They are in a sudden rush. On Tuesday, a veterans’ charity in Boston reported receiving a phone call from the Trump campaign, asking for its tax ID number.

    [Aside: Kallstrom, whom Trump contacted to give money to in a hurry, headed the FBI investigation into TWA Flight 800. The investigation which found all the phony (or timeline misplaced) witnessses who the FBI claimed saw a missile [if anyone said it was night when they saw it, that was after the crash, and could have been a flare – I think the witnesses whose names were published were phony, and the rest timeline misplaced.] Kallstrom would never say the witnesses were wrong or didn’t fit the timeline, or that the FBI got anything wrong, nor would he release the names and allow anyone else to interview them. The investigators created a video that violated the laws of physics. Kallstrom explained away the one positive explosive residue test the FBI crime lab confirmed (there were many, which the FBI crime lab would invariably declare inconclusive, with an explanation that did not fit the facts – a dog test on another plane. Probably Clinton vetoed that conclusion. The true cause was never determined and that President Clinton rigged the investigation. Only the FBI could declare it a crime, and the NTSB was limited to non-criminal causes. Like as if a medical examiner could not rule a death a homicide unless the police said it first. The missile theory actually had been invented in the Clinton White House the night of the crash. So I don’t consider Kallstrom an honest person. I am not sure what they were covering up, but the crash was caused by an on board fire visible outside the plane, but probably not to the pilots. I suspect somehow the Mafia was involved. The crash may have been unintentional.]

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  97. Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter did debate in the end, a wwek before the 1980 election. after the Reagan-Anderson debate.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  98. Papertiger, mg, and others

    Instead of dissing Patterico and the rest of us who are against Trump,. how about giving us positive reasons to vote for him. And I don’t mean “Hillary is worse and she’ll appoint statist judges”

    kishnevi (ffae7d)

  99. You would think the Washington Post were a registered veterans charity, the way they thrash around.

    Me. Me. Me.

    Reminds me of government sniffing after some inheritance money.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  100. Well one considers the list of who he will appoint, who is advising him now, but you only see the phantom

    narciso (732bc0)

  101. Good luck on that, kishnevi.

    The answers will be yuugge.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  102. Yes when they go macho Grande.

    narciso (732bc0)

  103. happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:27 am

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while U.S. secretary of state broke government rules and was not approved by State Department security officials, according to an internal government watchdog’s report released on Wednesday.

    This has been known since day one.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/03/10/transcript-hillary-clinton-addresses-e-mails-iran/

    ….Madam Secretary, State Department rules at the time you were secretary were perfectly clear that if a State Department employee was going to be using private email, that employee needed to turn those emails over to the State Department to be preserved on government computers.

    Why did you not do that? Why did you not go along with State Department rules until nearly two years after you left office?

    QUESTION: And also, the president of the United States said that he was unaware that you had this unusual email arrangement. The White House counsel’s office says that you never approved this arrangement through them.

    Why did you not do that? Why did you — why have you apparently caught the White House by surprise?

    And then just one last political question, if I — I might. Does all of this make — affect your decision in any way on whether or not to run for president?

    CLINTON: Well, let me try to unpack your multiple questions.

    First, the laws and regulations in effect when I was secretary of state allowed me to use my email for work. That is undisputed.

    Secondly, under the Federal Records Act, records are defined as reported information, regardless of its form or characteristics, and in meeting the record keeping obligations, it was my practice to email government officials on their state or other .gov accounts so that the emails were immediately captured and preserved.

    Now, there are different rules governing the White House than there are governing the rest of the executive branch, and in order to address the requirements I was under, I did exactly what I have said. I emailed two people, and I not only knew, I expected that then to be captured in the State Department or any other government agency that I was emailing to at a .gov account.

    And then she gives a false history of how this all got discovered, and makes it sound like it was routine housecleaning taht affected all former Secretaries of State. The whole back and forth between the State Department and Hillary Clinton and her lawyers is, I think, not yet known, but, I think they insisted that all Secretaries of States be queried and asked for their e-mails. Anyway, she goes on:

    What happened in — sorry, I guess late summer, early — early fall, is that the State Department sent a letter to former secretaries of state, not just to me, asking for some assistance in providing any work-related emails that might be on the personal email.

    And what I did was to direct, you know, my counsel to conduct a thorough investigation and to err on the side of providing anything that could be connected to work. They did that, and that was my obligation. I fully fulfilled it, and then I took the unprecedented step of saying, “Go ahead and release them, and let people see them.”

    QUESTION: Why did you wait two months? Why — why did you wait two months to turn those emails over? The rules say you have to turn them over…

    (CROSSTALK) CLINTON: I don’t think — I’d be happy to have somebody talk to you about the rules. I fully complied with every rule that I was governed by.

    See also:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-violation-state-dept-policy-years/story?id=29424270

    Hillary Clinton was in violation of State Department rules governing the use of non-governmental email accounts during her entire tenure as secretary of state and for nearly two years after she left the job, ABC News has learned.

    The video attributes it to State Department officials.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  104. Libeling Patterico’s motives is despicable but apparently that’s all you know to do now. You are a Trump man through and through.

    DRJ (15874d)

  105. Instead of dissing Patterico and the rest of us who are against Trump,. how about giving us positive reasons to vote for him. And I don’t mean “Hillary is worse and she’ll appoint statist judges”

    You ever said that to Pat, Beldar, or DRJ, kish?

    It was demanded of me that I should provide a list of Trump disqualifiers, the day I said I liked him.

    When, where, have we ever seen a demand of Pat, “What has Trump done that you like?”
    “Name Trump’s best move on the campaign trail so far.”

    I asked where’s the tote board?

    Who knows papertiger, all we know is he said it, which meant only stupid people believed it.

    Patterico (5ff298) — 5/24/2016 @ 10:55 pm

    Just like with Trump.

    Rambo: They drew first blood, not me.
    Trautman: Look Johnny, let me come in and get you the hell out of there!
    Rambo: They drew first blood…
    Trautman: Rambo, are you still reading me? Covey leader to Raven! Rambo! Acknowledge!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  106. Who knows papertiger, all we know is he said it, which meant only stupid people believed it.

    Patterico (5ff298) — 5/24/2016 @ 10:55 pm

    And a Merry Christmas to you too, sir.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  107. Dan rather who eventually resorted to fraud, the progs are burning this country to the foundation, and you keep with this rigamarole.

    narciso (48ecae) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:38 am

    Whoa…narciso is mad now. He actually used a period at the end of a sentence!

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  108. Thanks, Ingot.

    nk (dbc370)

  109. Anybody else think that Michelle Fields mother being a professional immigration activist is material to that story line?

    Xiomara Fields, president of the local Honduran-American Alliance, said her efforts to get people to donate aid were often met with suspicion by Latino residents of Los Angeles.

    “People would say, ‘Are you sure this is going to get to the people?’ ” Fields said. “They think the people who work for the government are going to open the boxes and take the best stuff for themselves. When we lived there, there was always corruption, and people are really afraid to give things to the government.

    “I told them look, even if out of 10 things you send, only three things get to the people, we’ve done something,” Fields said. “If we just sit here and worry about corruption, nothing is going to get there.”

    Fields must have been persuasive, because she managed to collect more than a million pounds of canned food, clothing and household items in three different warehouses in Los Angeles. But the items just sat there for nearly two months.

    Shipping containers full of food.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  110. The amusing part, of course, is that poor papertiger continues to not answer. That’s because there aren’t good answers to that question, or rather questions that can be answered in way that fit well with supposedly conservative bona fides. Must be vexing.

    Still, the more interesting question: why post on a site he or she so hates?

    Makes me wonder, DRJ. How about you?

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  111. Are we still pretending that giving a twice warned unruly reporter the brush off is akin to assault and battery?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  112. Bill H.
    I have voted for every republican candidate since Nixon. Most of them because it is the lesser than two evils. Now all of a sudden I am a no good punk, because I am voting for Trump. GTFOH.

    mg (31009b)

  113. Maybe in Judge Roy Bean’s court.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  114. I just want to say Col and nk
    thanks for the years of laughs.
    happyfeet, you too.

    mg (31009b)

  115. He is simply not fit for the office. But then again, neither was JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, nor Obama.

    Seems about right. Change the pronoun (or not) and the same conclusion applies to Hillary.

    After reading about this private server imbroglio and the bizarre case of Operation YouTube Diversion, I honestly wonder what the flap was about Watergate.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  116. he got caught, the dems had a private intelligence operation, fidelifacts, headed by fmr?? nsa, cia, fbi, that did contract work, for the nfl, they had saboteurs like dick tuck, dubiously sourced campaign contributions, et al,

    narciso (732bc0)

  117. Actress Melissa Gilbert ended her congressional bid in Michigan Tuesday evening, handing victory to Republican incumbent Rep. Rob Bishop.

    Gilbert was the sole Democratic challenger to Bishop.

    Gilbert, who gained fame for her role in Little House on the Prairie, said health problems were driving her out of the race.

    She told People Wednesday morning that doctors ordered her to undergo surgery due to a spinal injury sustained from two separate accidents in 2012.

    “My doctors said there’s no way for me to continue to deal with the incredibly rigorous demands of a congressional campaign without continuing to do harm to my body,” Gilbert said. “It’s indescribable to have to make this decision because I had my sights set on my opponent and a lot of people around me felt that I could win.”

    Get well soon Half-Pint.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  118. ever since she came back from zahaduun, she hasn’t been the same,

    narciso (732bc0)

  119. “Anybody else think that Michelle Fields mother being a professional immigration activist is material to that story line?”

    – papertiger

    My mother’s a gastroenterologist. Doesn’t stop me from trying to shove Trumpkins’ words up their respective a**es every time I get an opportunity.

    I have my own agenda, see.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  120. There’s only one scenario where Trump loses this election.

    If Bill Clinton dies of a heart attack on the campaign trail, that would turn the moron vote.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  121. narciso, I thought the main issue with Watergate was, as the cliché says, “not the crime but the cover-up,” and that it was never proven that Nixon knew or should have known about the break-in before it happened.

    Is this correct? And am I right in thinking that no one died as a result of Watergate, or am I off-base here?

    JP (bd5dd9)

  122. We all should send Billy Jeff vitamins and maybe digitalis. You know those little pills the priest couldn’t get to in time save his life in The Exorcist? Yeah those.

    And you girls know how he is. Button up that blouse. We don’t want any excess strain on his ticker.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  123. is Michelle Fields still a thing

    i mean really

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  124. ever since she came back from zahaduun, she hasn’t been the same,

    Thanks for the tip. Can’t get enough half-pint.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  125. only a babylon 5 fan, would get that

    narciso (732bc0)

  126. Mr. mg please not to leave

    it’s getting to where this place is all mean girl constitutionalists and tranny schlong menace alarmists anymores

    the diversity dwindles and dwindles with every abandonment

    i greet every morrow here with trepidation and ennui

    but we have to unite to fight that pee-stanky criminal hoochie

    we have to do it for America

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  127. yeah this is a year for pushing womyn around then telling little fibs about it

    only real macho strong candidates do this with elan and panache plus hair plugs

    http://gawker.com/is-donald-trump-s-hair-a-60-000-weave-a-gawker-invest-1777581357

    60 large and offices in trumpy stumpy tower

    no wonder hatey hatey pikachus are so delighted at Big Daddy raising the short fingered pimp hand

    brand…spanking…new campaign theme music now

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f20Oz9Yr_So

    its a thing

    its the hair plugs orange dye and axe body spray

    makes pikachus quiver for the leash

    trumpyfeet (2708f4)

  128. ho hum,

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/va-wrongly-declared-4201-veterans-as-deceased-cut-off-benefits/article/2592229

    they still have the lights on at gawker, not for long, if pete thiel has anything to do with it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  129. cogitating away about comment 128 and sensing sadnesses

    nothing wrong with pikachus and friends getting together for lying and hating and hair weaving sessions using daddys money and dyes that has colors not found in nature

    its democracy

    anyone can have their own internet party, the way they want

    trumpyfeet (2708f4)

  130. “The monsters from the id that now control the Democrat Party have transformed that party into a mob of undead extras from The Dawn of the Dead. It’s an indecent and disgusting spectacle and I suspect there’s more than a few million long-time Democrats who are revolted by it. That certainly seems to be creeping into the polls. No matter the good it once did, the Democrats today present as sick and crazed political party that is so greedy and hungry for power that it will do anything, including selling its country down the drain, to get it back.

    Regardless of the race of the Democrats’ current leader and failed president, Martin Luther King’s dream of judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin has been transformed into a tawdry thing; a dried husk in which they wrap their skeletal remains, a hollow phrase spewed by the ascendent race hustlers of the party and lapped up by their acolytes…”

    – Vanderleun

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/goodbye_to_all_1.php

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  131. nk @64: You’re acting like he either did nothing or absconded with the funds. But by your own source’s admission, he raise $4,500,000. Actual receipts, for veterans. Where is Ted Cruz’s benefit fundraising for ANY group other than himself? I did find it interesting that Cru had his big donors hold a contribution to veterans hostage in at bid to force Trump to “debate” him. What kind of low-life makes conditional pledges only if they personally benefit?

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruz-mega-donors-holding-veterans-charities-hostage-for-donald-trump-debate/

    But that simply a sideshow. The main show, the accusation as presented here and by the WaPo and I quote, is “Problem is, he claimed he had raised $6 million, and then ponied up around $4.5 million. So he’s short $1.5 million. ” That’s from Patterico’s own fingers. Now you are trying to shift the focus onto something else. Typical dishonest NeverTrump loser behavior.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  132. Where is Ted Cruz’s benefit fundraising for ANY group other than himself?

    The parable of the widow’s mite may have relevance here.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  133. If Bill Clinton dies of a heart attack on the campaign trail,

    The New York Times will say, “It’s the GOP’s heated rhetoric that done it. Those Trump ruffians (sniff)!”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  134. You guys are funny, but I don’t think you mean to be.
    Rick Ballard @61:

    The stink on this one is so great even Trump has had to notice – it’s affecting his polling.

    I know facts to Cruzites are like sunshine to a vampire, but it’s just too darn fun watching them squirm.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    That’s a strange trend line for someone whose polls are being affected. So are you saying he would be trending up even more significantly than he already is, absent this big nothingburger over $4,500,000 actually raised for veteran’s charities? Or are you saying he is trending up because each time a #NeverTrump or Democrat (but I repeat myself) raises this story, voters are reminded that Trump raised $4,500,000 for veteran’s charities, while his opponents only feather their own nest?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  135. re coverups, the whole benghazi matter has been obscured all the way to the nomination, it’s as if spiro agnew was on the cusp of the nomination in 76,

    narciso (732bc0)

  136. The parable of the widow’s mite may have relevance here.

    It might, but it would only be if Cruz (the widow) actually gave or raised money for veterans. And if you could view Trump’s heart, like only God can, and determine why he gave. But sadly, neither is true. And so, for you, perhaps Matthew 7:1 has more relevance.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  137. well it was on epix, between showing of mi 5 and interstellar,

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/audio-shows-katie-couric-gun-documentary-deceptively-edited-interview-pro-gun-activists/

    but there’s more than meets the ear,

    narciso (732bc0)

  138. You really have something there, JP. I thought I would read a little more about Cruz’s charity, his “mites” if you will. Turns out, not so much. Sure the amounts of charity were small, but his income surely wasn’t. It was almost Al Gore pitiful. 0.86% of his income. And for an evangelical who professes his faith at every opportunity, tithing is supposed to mean something, and Cruz just blows it off.

    But that isn’t even the worst part of it. When confronted with this, he lies. His story has changed over the years, he lies about when the reporter’s data was collected, he lies about being a “newlywed” 5-10 years after he was married, lied about starting family in 2006 (their kids were born in 2008). All this to a Christian Broadcast Network reporter. And he doesn’t blink an eye. He looks earnestly at his questioner, and lies.

    That was your “good man”, the “true conservative” whose signature legislation would have allowed all illegals to stay indefinitely (no deportation at all) and increase H1B visas by 500%, and who voted for TPA. Shame he actually had a voting record the voters could look at when judging whether to believe his campaign promises.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  139. 90 The last Presidential candidate who refused to debate was Jimmy Carter, who refused to debate both Reagan and Anderson. So Reagan, Anderson and an empty chair debated.

    Carter lost so maybe that was a bad decision. Trump won so maybe he made a good decision.

    James B. Shearer (891cd5)

  140. The liars’ trifecta (twitter pic)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  141. Trump is one of the least charitable billionaires in the world. It’s his money to spend as he pleases but he wants everyone to think of him as charitable when he isn’t — except with other peoples’ money.

    DRJ (15874d)

  142. there’s no better charity than to give a man a job

    or possibly a woman too

    just not pee-stank

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  143. I’m so sorry, but I left out the link regarding Ted Cruz’s parsimonious giving and lying. I know you folk are all about being informed, so here it is, just in case you were serious when you claimed to care about character.

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruz-lies-right-to-christian-journalists-face-about-tithing/

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  144. They should call him Lyin Ted cause of how he lies so much I think

    happyfeet (a64547)

  145. sugar too low for pikachu,

    narciso (732bc0)

  146. Prowlerguy, about Matthew 7:1…

    https://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/the-bible-says-dont-judge-right/

    Read it. See why I have zero respect for most people who use that to attack Christians. It just might do you some good.

    By the way, the Bible very clearly says TO judge. And Trump is absolutely NOT a Christian. When he said he had never asked the Lord for forgiveness, he admitted he is NOT a Christian. He is a deceiver, serving his father, the Father of Lies. And we are also told what to do with one like him when he is found within the flock. That’s in the Bible, too.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  147. He’ll always be Lion Ted to this voter.

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  148. ha ha ha ha

    pikachu needs him some tums for his nervous stomach

    be careful boychick—depends in your future!

    poop-stankers united!

    trumpyfeet (aa22d2)

  149. its always true that a lie is a lie is a lie

    and disqualifies liars from elections

    except when trumpsnufflers scent them some moar axe body spray, spray tan, and orange hair dye

    trumpyfeet (aa22d2)

  150. Watching the lying corksoaker Brian Fallon try to do his damnedest to excuse Hillary Clinton’s criminal behavior… shameless.

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  151. What an election, huh, Colonel?

    I wish I could go home to my planet.

    Simon Jester (aa22d2)

  152. Ain’t a penny gone into a veteran’s hand or into a veterans organization bank account. All that’s gone is promises and/or claims by Trump.
    True or False?

    nk (dbc370)

  153. Oh, and I forgot. F*** yourself, prowlerguy, and the lies you repeat from and for Demented Donna.

    nk (dbc370)

  154. I think that’s a legitimate criticism of Cruz, prowlerguy. He wanted to appeal to evangelical voters but he did not tithe the way they believe and his explanations weren’t convincing.

    It’s also valid to show that Trump talks big but gives little, but I don’t think any of his supporters care. Why is that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  155. By the way, the story about Cruz was by Tommy Christopher. I am not complaining about that, only pointing it out because Trump supporters won’t even respond to me if they don’t like my source, but they love the very sources they don’t trust when it criticizes someone they don’t like. Care to explain that, too? I think we know why.

    DRJ (15874d)

  156. There are many more ways to give of yourself than with money, and if someone decides a tithe is mandatory, I decide that church (lower-case intentionally) is not worth attending… or any of my money.

    Remember the words the Apostles said to Annanias and Sapphira, right before they were killed.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  157. Is It Getting To Be About the Time When the #NeverTrumpers Should Go Radio Silent?
    —Ace

    “Previously there were possible real-world scenarios which justified the continuing anti-Trump position:

    1. A dark horse white knight makes an 11th hour entry and runs third party.

    This is now virtually impossible, and soon will be entirely impossible. By the way, the application to get on the ballot in Texas has already passed — so, um, good luck with this one.

    2. Trump would prove so toxic in the polls that it would cause the party to do whatever was necessary to install a new candidate, even at the expense of blowing up the party to do it.

    I thought this one was more likely than the previous one. I had hopes for this one. I predicted that if Trump continued doing disastrously at the polls, the party would in fact react like a hive of bees killing and ejecting an intruder insect.

    However, Trump is not doing too badly in polls lately. Now, sure, the usual caveats apply: Hillary hasn’t gotten her own base-unification boost, it’s early yet, Trump’s problems are obvious except for all the problems we don’t know about yet, etc.

    However, the hopes that Trump would fare so poorly at the polls that it could be used to show the base We had no choice but to do this appear to be diminished.

    Now, I don’t like Trump. Should his numbers go down further — or should some horrifying skeleton emerge from his gilded closets — I’d support the Warrior Bees Attack and Eject the Interloper scenario.

    But it appears unlikely at the moment. Not impossible, but unlikely.

    So I have to ask: At this point, what is the point of the #NeverTrump impulse?

    Do you guys actually want Hillary Clinton in office, as Ben Howe, possibly just being baiting and trollish, said a few weeks back?

    You want more lies? More Benghazis? More jailed video makers?

    More Transgendered Bathrooms and Co-Ed showers? More Title IX redefinitions? More Deal Colleague letters? More Social Rape Justice hoax prosecutions?

    More executive power grabs? More lying to federal judges by Administration officials? More contempt by Attorneys General and Directors of the IRS?

    More illegal orders to release terrorists and give Iran the bomb?

    More millions of illegals amnestied?

    Remember, in the Jose Ramos debate, Hillary Clinton vowed that not a single illegal alien would be deported, ever, except for those proven to have committed murder.

    More foreign policy ineptitude? More rolling into Libya without a plan and announcing like a 15 year old boymanthat “We came, we saw, we kicked some ass”?

    More Lois Lerners? More weaponization of government?

    More hidden secret email accounts? More giving national security secrets to the Chinese to keep Hillary’s “yoga routines” out of the hands of the taxpayers?

    More illegal executive actions to ban guns? The woman has vowed to overturn Heller, you know.

    More liberal Justices? When I flipped to hardcore anti-Trump myself a few months back, it was due to Trump’s horrifying poll numbers and the grim probability he’d lose and we’d get 3-5 liberal justices. Enough to seal the Republic’s fate.

    Well, flash forward two months, and Trump isn’t doing too badly in the polls. He might even have a decent shot at winning. At yet the “Principled Conservatives” who ought to be the most concerned about gifting the Supreme Court to the liberals for the next sixty years are blowing the subject off like it’s just a big lark.

    Excuse me?

    Please explain to me the continuing hardcore commitment to #NeverTrump.

    Is it…

    1. Disliking the fact that the Upper Middle College Educated Class controlled the party for decades, and made a sport of ignoring the Working Class, but now the Working Class has reasserted itself and taken over and the members of the displaced Upper Middle College Educated Class just can’t stand not being in a poll position any longer?

    2. Showing off to one’s liberal comrades that one isn’t One Of That Kind of Conservative? That is, Virtue Signalling?

    3. Attempting to save one’s professional reputation? I get this one myself — someone asked me why I was so anti-Trump, and I said the man was so vulgar, stupid, and crass that he made it necessary to oppose him simply to preserve one’s professional standing.

    So I get that idea. I get that idea an awful lot.

    But we happen to be talking about the Republic at this point.

    One of two people will be president in January — Hillary Rodham Clinton, a sociopath who was a corrupt politician even before she entered politics (remember Whitewater? Her $100,000 cattles future trading) or Donald Trump.

    What is the fear, here? That Donald Trump might be nearly as bad as Hillary Clinton certainly will be?

    Name one issue on which Hillary Clinton is superior to Trump. The most I ever here is “We don’t know what Trump will do, he could be just as bad as Hillary.”

    Oh? He could be that bad?

    Look, Drew asked a while ago: What makes obviously liberal-cultural-values Republicans actually Republicans, apart from habit?

    Maybe it’s time for the great re-sorting to begin. It’s time for actual Democrats, who are most comfortable with Democrats, and feel the most affinity for Democrats, to make their party allegiance official and simply declare for Hillary Clinton and join the Democratic Party.

    Because I cannot see any “conservative” continuing to say “Oh yeah, I want to expand Dear Colleague directives to college and put more men in kangaroo court trials for hoax rapes just to show those Trump people how little I think of their ilk.”

    Enough. Enough.

    You don’t have to get on Team Trump, and you don’t have to love him. Trump did not suddenly become well-informed or virtuous simply because he won the nomination.

    However, at the moment, he is the only plausible tool by which we can prevent President Hillary Clinton, and if that isn’t enough to at least get you to bite your tongue or find some other interest (politics isn’t especially interesting, you know; there are a thousand fields more interesting and rewarding), then you’re not merely #NeverTrump, you’re closer to #NeverReallyAConservative.

    Believe me, if Trump tanks in the polls, or if some really terrible info comes out about him (which I think is fairly likely), I’ll be the first guy explaining to the Trumpheads why we must pull the bathtub drain on Trump to save the Republic.

    But we’re not at that moment.

    And yet all around me I see people who are far too over-proud of their Upper Middle Class Background willing to elect Hillary Clinton just to prove they graduated (or at least attended) college.

    Even on a day when the IG reveals that Hillary Clinton is a criminal, the Never Trumpers continue to Never Trump.

    They’re living in a bubble world made of their own spite and ego.

    Reality is what it is. It’s not always pretty and it’s never ideal.

    But the choice is between Hillary Clinton — a fucking psychopathic monster, liar, and caudilla-in-waiting — and Donald Trump, a narcissistic buffoon.

    Easy call.

    Just put you ego to the side and remember this election isn’t about your ego, it’s about America and our shared future.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363703.php

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  158. Goin’ all Sammeh on yo asses…

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  159. tommy christopher, they have no standards over there,

    narciso (732bc0)

  160. Is It Getting To Be About the Time When the #NeverTrumpers Should Go Radio Silent?
    —Ace

    Previously there were possible real-world scenarios which justified the continuing anti-Trump position:

    1. A dark horse white knight makes an 11th hour entry and runs third party.

    This is now virtually impossible, and soon will be entirely impossible. By the way, the application to get on the ballot in Texas has already passed — so, um, good luck with this one.

    2. Trump would prove so toxic in the polls that it would cause the party to do whatever was necessary to install a new candidate, even at the expense of blowing up the party to do it.

    I thought this one was more likely than the previous one. I had hopes for this one. I predicted that if Trump continued doing disastrously at the polls, the party would in fact react like a hive of bees killing and ejecting an intruder insect.

    However, Trump is not doing too badly in polls lately. Now, sure, the usual caveats apply: Hillary hasn’t gotten her own base-unification boost, it’s early yet, Trump’s problems are obvious except for all the problems we don’t know about yet, etc.

    However, the hopes that Trump would fare so poorly at the polls that it could be used to show the base We had no choice but to do this appear to be diminished.

    Now, I don’t like Trump. Should his numbers go down further — or should some horrifying skeleton emerge from his gilded closets — I’d support the Warrior Bees Attack and Eject the Interloper scenario.

    But it appears unlikely at the moment. Not impossible, but unlikely.

    So I have to ask: At this point, what is the point of the #NeverTrump impulse?

    Do you guys actually want Hillary Clinton in office, as Ben Howe, possibly just being baiting and trollish, said a few weeks back?

    You want more lies? More Benghazis? More jailed video makers?

    More Transgendered Bathrooms and Co-Ed showers? More Title IX redefinitions? More Deal Colleague letters? More Social Rape Justice hoax prosecutions?

    More executive power grabs? More lying to federal judges by Administration officials? More contempt by Attorneys General and Directors of the IRS?

    More illegal orders to release terrorists and give Iran the bomb?

    More millions of illegals amnestied?

    Remember, in the Jose Ramos debate, Hillary Clinton vowed that not a single illegal alien would be deported, ever, except for those proven to have committed murder.

    More foreign policy ineptitude? More rolling into Libya without a plan and announcing like a 15 year old boyman that “We came, we saw, we kicked some ass”?

    More Lois Lerners? More weaponization of government?

    More hidden secret email accounts? More giving national security secrets to the Chinese to keep Hillary’s “yoga routines” out of the hands of the taxpayers?

    More illegal executive actions to ban guns? The woman has vowed to overturn Heller, you know.

    More liberal Justices? When I flipped to hardcore anti-Trump myself a few months back, it was due to Trump’s horrifying poll numbers and the grim probability he’d lose and we’d get 3-5 liberal justices. Enough to seal the Republic’s fate.

    Well, flash forward two months, and Trump isn’t doing too badly in the polls. He might even have a decent shot at winning. At yet the “Principled Conservatives” who ought to be the most concerned about gifting the Supreme Court to the liberals for the next sixty years are blowing the subject off like it’s just a big lark.

    Excuse me?

    Please explain to me the continuing hardcore commitment to #NeverTrump.

    Is it…

    1. Disliking the fact that the Upper Middle College Educated Class controlled the party for decades, and made a sport of ignoring the Working Class, but now the Working Class has reasserted itself and taken over and the members of the displaced Upper Middle College Educated Class just can’t stand not being in a poll position any longer?

    2. Showing off to one’s liberal comrades that one isn’t One Of That Kind of Conservative? That is, Virtue Signalling?

    3. Attempting to save one’s professional reputation? I get this one myself — someone asked me why I was so anti-Trump, and I said the man was so vulgar, stupid, and crass that he made it necessary to oppose him simply to preserve one’s professional standing.

    So I get that idea. I get that idea an awful lot.

    But we happen to be talking about the Republic at this point.

    One of two people will be president in January — Hillary Rodham Clinton, a sociopath who was a corrupt politician even before she entered politics (remember Whitewater? Her $100,000 cattles future trading) or Donald Trump.

    What is the fear, here? That Donald Trump might be nearly as bad as Hillary Clinton certainly will be?

    Name one issue on which Hillary Clinton is superior to Trump. The most I ever here is “We don’t know what Trump will do, he could be just as bad as Hillary.”

    Oh? He could be that bad?

    Look, Drew asked a while ago: What makes obviously liberal-cultural-values Republicans actually Republicans, apart from habit?

    Maybe it’s time for the great re-sorting to begin. It’s time for actual Democrats, who are most comfortable with Democrats, and feel the most affinity for Democrats, to make their party allegiance official and simply declare for Hillary Clinton and join the Democratic Party.

    Because I cannot see any “conservative” continuing to say “Oh yeah, I want to expand Dear Colleague directives to college and put more men in kangaroo court trials for hoax rapes just to show those Trump people how little I think of their ilk.”

    Enough. Enough.

    You don’t have to get on Team Trump, and you don’t have to love him. Trump did not suddenly become well-informed or virtuous simply because he won the nomination.

    However, at the moment, he is the only plausible tool by which we can prevent President Hillary Clinton, and if that isn’t enough to at least get you to bite your tongue or find some other interest (politics isn’t especially interesting, you know; there are a thousand fields more interesting and rewarding), then you’re not merely #NeverTrump, you’re closer to #NeverReallyAConservative.

    Believe me, if Trump tanks in the polls, or if some really terrible info comes out about him (which I think is fairly likely), I’ll be the first guy explaining to the Trumpheads why we must pull the bathtub drain on Trump to save the Republic.

    But we’re not at that moment.

    And yet all around me I see people who are far too over-proud of their Upper Middle Class Background willing to elect Hillary Clinton just to prove they graduated (or at least attended) college.

    Even on a day when the IG reveals that Hillary Clinton is a criminal, the Never Trumpers continue to Never Trump.

    They’re living in a bubble world made of their own spite and ego.

    Reality is what it is. It’s not always pretty and it’s never ideal.

    But the choice is between Hillary Clinton — a f**king psychopathic monster, liar, and caudilla-in-waiting — and Donald Trump, a narcissistic buffoon.

    Easy call.

    Just put you ego to the side and remember this election isn’t about your ego, it’s about America and our shared future.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363703.php

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  161. Silence connotes as acquiescence.
    And in this case, silence is sinful.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  162. Thank you Col. Haiku. I tried to post that earlier, or specifically the part from “Enough” on down but it got stuck in moderation. Or perhaps I’ve been banned. Will see with this post.

    WTP (094b61)

  163. and what is the cost of christian persecution, which is coming?

    narciso (732bc0)

  164. put it another way, should we further it along?

    narciso (732bc0)

  165. Trump is more vile than Hillary. Hillary may be Jimmy Walker; Trump is Owney Madden.

    nk (dbc370)

  166. he’s a crass character no doubt, but red queen has more blood on her hands, than the consort in the scottish play, her demonstrated contempt for dissent is legion, right up with her knuckling under to all our foes, from the south china seas, to the shores of havana,

    narciso (732bc0)

  167. Trump doesn’t like dissent, either. He has threatened to use Federal Agencies to viciously attack people who use their First Amendment Rights against him. He also praised COMMUNIST CHINA for its use of tanks against its own people who committed the grievous act of protesting for Democracy.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  168. “THE GREAT WHITE DOPE” SPOKE IN ANAHEIM, CA., AND ACTUALLY SAID: “IS THERE ANYPLACE MORE FUN THAN A TRUMP RALLY?”

    YES, DONALD, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET: IT’S CALLED “DISNEYLAND.”

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  169. nk knows vile , he’s from ChiTown

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  170. What a terrible, no good, awful, atrocious man this Trump creature is ….
    Clutching mah pearls ….

    G6loq (3a2647)

  171. His supporters are worse.

    nk (dbc370)

  172. you go by david fahrenholt, as it was ben tetris,

    https://powerchairdiaries.com/2014/08/22/the-real-story-of-david-a-fahrenthold/

    narciso (732bc0)

  173. kim il jun, says why I can’t I get this kind of press,

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-president-obama-get-down-to-some-freestyle-vietnamese-rap/

    narciso (732bc0)

  174. Yes, narciso, now I remember why I killed all those commies and got wounded twice. So our moslem president can rap. And don’t moan about me calling him a moslem he’s got a moslem name and last time I noticed he does not attend a Christian church.

    “I will stand with the moslems should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
    Barack Hussein Obama, Audacity of Hope

    Mr. Obama described the moslem call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset” in an interview with Nicholas Kristoff

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  175. it’s more the pathetic mind arson that christopher churns out, now mind you after 40 years, they have sort of figured that nationalization is a stupid thing, but still.

    narciso (732bc0)

  176. More from the IG Report: Staffers Who Raised Questions About Hillary’s Illegal Email System Were Told To Never Bring It Up Again
    —Ace

    “Of course.

    Sorry, I just can’t permit this foul creature to be president.

    I understand some feel differently.

    This woman has been breaking the law forever. She’s a viciously paranoid drunk who keeps an enemies list and has a thirst for avenging slights against her.

    The only reason I can see to support her — and believe me, this occurred to me — is if you believe Trump is doomed anyway and you wish to make yourself a small target in Hillary’s ever-growing list of targets for vengeance.

    A completely rational and practical reason.

    But that’s it.

    This bullsh*t that she’d somehow be more respecting of the law or Constitution than Trump?

    Don’t delude yourselves.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363706.php

    Colonel Haiku (838105)

  177. yes yes

    easy call

    happyfeet (831175)

  178. Trump is more vile than Hillary. Hillary may be Jimmy Walker; Trump is Owney Madden.

    Owney Madden retired to Hot Springs, Arkansas once the Italian mafia kicked him out of New York. Do you ever wonder if he once sat down a young Bill Clinton and taught him how to dodge culpability for his nefarious acts? It would help explain a lot.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  179. this is more of the same, they were crying real tears over mugabe’s likely passing some weeks ago,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/world/asia/china-president-xi-jinping-windbreaker.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

    narciso (732bc0)

  180. So this is how far you have sunk. All you have is “Trump will do horrible things” (based on nothing other than your own hatred) and “Trump didn’t really raise $6M for veterans. Of course, he raised $5.5M more than you and your fellow Cruzites raised, but that’s not the point. The point is that he said “$6M raised” when he should have said “$6M pledged” and so he is unfit to run for President.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:59 am

    “That’s not the point” is correct. Candidates don’t raise money for veterans during a campaign unless they’re chickening out of debates because they know they don’t have decent answers for “bimbo” journalists.

    Trump’s unfit to be President for a wide variety of reasons, many of which Bobby Jindal laid out last year, and that Charles Murray brilliantly expanded upon today (ellipses, bold mine):

    Yes, many candidates for president have lied. Hillary Clinton has — with stupefying ineptitude — told and continues to tell whoppers. But Trump takes first prize for sheer bulk, averaging one factual untruth every five minutes, according to a systematic fact-check of over four and a half hours of stump speeches and press conferences.

    But it’s worse than that. It’s not that Trump makes strategic decisions about what useful untruths he will tell on any given day — it looks as if he just makes up stuff as he goes along […]

    That he deals so heedlessly in those misrepresentations makes it impossible for an opponent to conduct an authentic policy debate with him […]

    I cannot end without urging you to resist that sin to which people with high IQs (which most of you have) are unusually prone: Using your intellectual powers to convince yourself of something despite the evidence plainly before you. Just watch and listen to the man. Don’t concoct elaborate rationalizations. Just watch and listen.

    And contemplate this fact about history: We have had presidents whose competence once in office was better than we could have anticipated. Truman, for example. We have had presidents whose characters were subsequently revealed to be worse than they had seemed during the campaign. Kennedy, for example. We have never had a president whose character proved to be more admirable once he was in office than it had appeared during the campaign. What you see on your television screen every day from Donald Trump the candidate is the best that you can expect from Donald Trump the president. “Hillary is even worse” doesn’t cut it.

    And while you can easily point to the bloody, incompetent track record HRC’s left behind, remember that she, like Trump, had NO track record when she first ran for elective office in New York. But, what did we know about Hillary when she first ran in New York? That she told lots of lies, large and small.

    Among the small: She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, who hadn’t conquered Mt. Everest until she was six years old. She was a lifelong Cubs fan but suddenly, when running out of Chappaqua, NY, she was also a longtime Yankees fan. She wanted to join the Marines (at the age of 26!) but the sexist USMC recruiters laughed at her. Among the large: As First Lady of Arkansas, she claims she converted a $1,000 cattle future investment into nearly $100,000.00 in ten months — pay no attention to that Tyson Foods lawyer behind the curtain. She had no knowledge of and had nothing to do with the dismissal of the longtime employees in the White House Travel Office, cleared out to make room for a company owned by Hollywood producer (and Arkansas native) Harry Thomason (Designing Women, Hearts Afire). Despite an FBI memo saying otherwise, she had absolutely no clue how Craig Livingstone — a former bar bouncer who was the custodian of improperly-accessed FBI files — got a job in the White House. And of course, the non-existent “vast right-wing conspiracy” that was to blame for all the allegations that her husband had given a round-heeled intern the highest security clearance so he could splooge on her dress in the Oval Office. (Trump likes conspiracy theories too, in case you haven’t noticed.)

    If someone had recited all of those things to you back in 2000 and said they were reasons why you should never trust Hillary with any semblance of power over any of our lives, would you dismiss those concerns? I certainly didn’t. And I don’t dismiss Trump’s record of pervasive mendacity (not to mention litigiousness and childishness) over the decades either. If there was a reason to believe that Hillary the Pathological Liar circa 2000 would become Hillary the Blood-Stained Monster you see her as today, there’s reason to believe the Donald the Pathological Liar could become Donald the Clueless, Incurious Tyrant right now (difference being you wanna hand him the keys to the nuke codes next January; none of that waiting a decade-and-a-half stuff).

    The fact that Hillary Rodham Clinton is a contemptible human being herself doesn’t make Donald John Trump any less so because he has an “R” next to his name. But because he does, you’re ready and willing to swallow his constant stream of lies as quickly as they come out of both sides of his mouth.

    That’s how far you’ve sunk.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  181. Mr. Trump is an American

    god love him

    there aren’t many of us left

    happyfeet (831175)

  182. Mr. Trump is an American

    god love him

    there aren’t many of us left
    happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2016 @ 6:54 pm

    Shaddup.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  183. oh really, so the health care task force was a figment of my imagination, something really only betsy mcaughey ross, really eviscerated, back then sullivan before he went mad, allowed for real diversity of opinion at the new republic, they learned their lessons, buy off the drug companies and the insurance, and shut the doors to any dissent, that’s just one notable policy point,

    narciso (732bc0)

  184. omg have you guys seen Preacher yet it’s so good

    just finished the pilot

    super fun

    happyfeet (831175)

  185. omg have you guys seen Preacher yet it’s so good

    just finished the pilot

    super fun
    happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2016 @ 6:58 pm

    That’s all you’ve got? You’re running out of Trumpanzee baby talk? Say it isn’t so!

    Actually, say it is.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  186. it was really fun Mr. Smithee

    i give episode one 8 tamales out of a scale of 10 tamales (10 being the mostest awesome)

    happyfeet (831175)

  187. L.N. Smithee @ 6:52 pm — That is about as fine a comment as I have read here in some time. Bravo.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  188. plus it’s in texas :)

    gotta love that texas!

    happyfeet (831175)

  189. and charles murray seems to have forgotten that reality as well, when the excerpts of the bell curve were published, he really wasn’t that keen on the symbolic analysts,

    yes the travel office firings, the blackmail with the fbi files, those two were policy, the
    ‘right wing conspiracy’ was just chapter 1 of what we would see in benghazi 20 years later,
    sid vicious had an official role then, now it’s excathedra, but the effect was the same,

    I liked dominic cooper as the young howard stark, preacher seems too grimm,

    narciso (732bc0)

  190. Colonel Haiku (838105) — 5/25/2016 @ 6:38 pm

    And Trump will be no more respectful of the Constitution than she will be.

    The question is, which one will do more damage to the country–you think she will, I think he will. It is a judgment call, and at this point something we need to agree to disagree. And still remain ladies and gentlemen, as you have.
    But a further question remains: should we cast a vote for someone who is obviously unfit for the office? I think we should not: and faced with two candidates both unfit for ofgice, I choose to vote for neither.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  191. well in broward county, it makes practically no difference how one votes, one is outnumbered probably 4/1, but the notion is advanced that others should consider a certain path,

    narciso (732bc0)

  192. there aren’t many of us left

    There are in fact 300+ million of us left, once you deduct the 11-12 million illegals.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  193. Bill H.
    I have voted for every republican candidate since Nixon. Most of them because it is the lesser than two evils. Now all of a sudden I am a no good punk, because I am voting for Trump. GTFOH.

    mg (31009b) — 5/25/2016 @ 11:18 am

    I couldn’t care less what you’ve done since the day you were born. It isn’t even a matter of you voting for Trump that makes you a no-good punk. It’s your thoughts and words since this candidacy opened up. If you can’t be civil to others who see differently than you, forget about respect. You haven’t earned it, and I ain’t giving it to you.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  194. Trump’s unfit to be President for a wide variety of reasons

    this is a complete misnomer

    she told lots of lies, large and small

    she also gouts pee like a freshly amputated femur gouts blood

    he could splooge on her dress in the Oval Office

    omg that was super-sweet of Bill not to rape her with his crooked herpes penis

    there’s reason to believe the Donald the Pathological Liar could become Donald the Clueless, Incurious Tyrant right now

    no actually there isn’t any reason to believe that … R’s are so used to soul-dead harvardtrash like ted and mitt and so inured to douchebag empty-headed trollops like meghan’s cowardly p.o.s. sleaze-daddy that they don’t even know what to do with people what are dynamically vibrantly joyously alive like Mr. The Donald

    it’s sad but they can still heal where dem pups

    they come out of both sides of his mouth

    what are you even talking about what is it you think is coming out of his mouth

    dude that’s just weird

    happyfeet (831175)

  195. preacher seems too grimm

    i see more than a lil homage to mr. tarantino and I lurv me some Lucy Griffiths

    happyfeet (831175)

  196. narciso (732bc0) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:13 pm

    Too true. I am reduced to supporting a far left law professor because he is the best chance to vote Debbie WS out of office.

    kishnevi (3ebfe9)

  197. 163. Colonel Haiku (838105) — 5/25/2016 @ 4:02 pm

    Goin’ all Sammeh </bllockquote. not sure what that means. If it's the Hillary Clinton e-mail story, I can report:

    1) It was the lead story on the CBS Evening News.

    2) The State Department reported they could find no evidence that any (other) person had ever authorized her to do what she did.

    3) If she had asked for permission, the Diplomatic Security people would have said no.

    4) There were some attempts to break in, and one time in 2011 the clintonemail.com system was shut down because of that (but we knew that)

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  198. the bush klan drove the saudi terror sheiks to the airport in limousines so they could flee america after they did 9/11 on us

    and they didn’t even have to go though TSA screening

    that just burns me up

    happyfeet (831175)

  199. well richard clarke was the weasel who took credit for that move, btw it’s his people who have been handling cybersecurity, they’ve done a bangup job. but here’s the reality, the medici’s
    from poppy on were in the ayl biz, part of it in the middle east, and they and their retainers like baker and scowcroft, came to believe in their former business associates, and the clintons were slower on the ball, but they had their ties to the kingdom and co,

    narciso (732bc0)

  200. Owney Madden; the wiki puts it out there like this.

    1933: As Carnera’s manager, Madden arranged fixed fights which led eventually to Carnera’s winning the NBA World Heavyweight Championship, in 1933.

    No mincing the words. He’s a cheater, said wikipedia.

    So I’m looking for fixed fights.

    Primo Carnera killed Ernie Schaaf in the ring one fight before winning the Heavyweight title from Jack Sharkey.
    This is the goods here. Primo Carnera vs Jack Sharkey (YouTube).
    Supposed to be a fixed fight.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  201. I wonder if Raisin Bran will now become more popular in the Muslim world.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  202. oh trust me it will

    happyfeet (831175)

  203. Wait until the jihadists find out that raisins are actually infidel grapes!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  204. “Bran” is an abbreviation. Its proper spelling is “b’ran”, which is short for “beat Iran”.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  205. I think Primo punched Sharkey’s ticket. Hit him in square on the hello mister canvass button in the sixth round.

    Here’s Max Baer vs Primo Carnera.

    Looks like real fighting to me. Primo’s height saved him. Max was punching up. Took something off.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  206. I don’t use teh Twitter any more, but Ace is on a #nevertrump rampage… https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  207. yep, he’ taking down like the two legged walkers in jedi,

    narciso (732bc0)

  208. The Jewish Carpenter turned water into wine. But the best Allah can do is turn grapes into raisins? That’s nothing better than what we mortals can do with grapes. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  209. 170. nk (dbc370) — 5/25/2016 @ 4:30 pm

    Trump is more vile than Hillary. Hillary may be Jimmy Walker; Trump is Owney Madden.

    I think you may have that backwards. Bill Clinton is Owney Madden. Donald Trump is Jimmy Walker. I am not sure what Hillary is. Mae West?

    In all probability, Bill Clinton actually knew Owney Madden. You could say, Owney Madden was a friend of his. Here’s the evidence:

    First of all, I should note that Owney Madden’s obituary in the New York Times on Saturday April 24, 1965 claims that he had retired, which was false. He was actually the political boss of Hot Springs, Arkansas, circa 1935-1946 and again circa 1953-1965. This entire obituary is therefore misleading.

    Now, the New York Times actually didn’t write that obituary. It is an Associated Press article.
    But in spite of the public relations here, there is *nevertheless* one significant sentence in that obituary:

    In his later years, he was a big contributor to charities, particularly for young people.

    – Associated Press obituary of “retired” gangster Owen Vincent (Owney the Killer) Madden’s in the Saturday, April 24, 1965 New York Times.

    Now, in 1965, that probably looked fine. It made Owney Madden look good. But now read this:

    Clinton’s career began while he was still a student at Hot Springs High School, where he was president of his junior class, the Beta Club (for academic achievers) and the Kiwanis Key Club. By his late teens, Clinton was already a semi-professional politician, so greatly in demand as a civics club speaker and leader of charitable fund drives that his high-school principal had to limit his engagements in order to protect his schooling.

    – Article by Michael Kelly in the New York Times Magazine of July 31, 1994, page 25.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/31/magazine/the-president-s-past.html?pagewanted=all

    Now see: Bill Clinton was a “leader of charitable fund drives.”

    Putting two and two together, what does this mean? It means that Bill Clinton was raising money from Vincent Owen (Owney the Killer) Madden.

    Now the Lex Luther of Hot Springs, Arkansas, was probably not giving money to some teenager out of the goodness of his heart. There was a reason.

    For one thing, Bill Clinton’s step-uncle, Raymond Clinton, was an important member of the political machine. His Buick dealership was sort of headquarters for it:

    In her memoirs, Virginia Kelley (as she was known at the time of her death in January) describes a family that always had a big, comfortable home, at least one late-model Buick convertible in the garage and enough spending money to indulge in frequent night-clubbing and gambling with a group of “running buddies” that included many of the men who ran Hot Springs. Indeed, the Clintons themselves were important political players: Roger’s brother Roy was a member of the State Legislature from 1951 to 1954, and his brother Raymond, the family leader whom Clinton has described as a father figure, was a behind-the-scenes power in town. He made his Buick dealership “a gathering place for powerful, politically savvy men in Hot Springs,” Kelley writes. “The big wheels.”

    And that’s what Bill Clinton left in, because he edited the manuscript after his mother died.

    More:

    Just through talk, every person in town knew what was going on,” said Clay White, who for 23 years was an FBI agent based in Hot Springs and is now the town’s sheriff. “The violations of the law were more or less accepted,”White said, adding that even Clinton’s uncle Raymond, who owned the local Buick dealership “ran some slot machines that he had scattered throughout town.”

    – July 20, 1992 Macleans Magazine.

    Even Clinton’s uncle?

    This is spin.

    Caveat: I don’t know if Clay White said the word “even” or the reporter interpreted it as “even.”

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  210. Flaunting their mob connections, Owney Madden and a group of investors opened Las Vegas-style casinos in the resort city, including one called the Vapors – a name that amused my literary minded friends in New York. My hometown had become so flagrant, so raucous, that we could read about it almost weekly in the New York Times.

    – The Bookmaker’s Daughter:A Memory Unbound by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor and Fields, 1991) page 272.

    That was published, of course, before Bill Clinton became president.

    In the late 1990s, Shirley Temple Abbott wrote a lying letter to the editor of the New York Times, in which she claimed that the machine was defunct by the time Bill Clinton was growing up.

    Published: June 2, 1996

    To the Editor:

    Re Maureen Dowd’s slicing comments about the Clintons in “Hot Springs Eternal” (column, May 30):

    In the 1930’s and 40’s, Hot Springs, Ark., could possibly have been described as a “hangout of gamblers and roues.” By 1952, when Bill Clinton arrived there as a small boy, change was already under way, and by the late 1960’s the town was shut tight and has been strictly on the up and up ever since.

    To any child there, Hot Springs made a lovely little case study of how government can work: an economy can be overhauled, and the law enforced, when the people have a mind to do it. Too bad more of our politicians (and columnists) didn’t grow up there.

    That’s not what she wrote in her book. She is kind of omitting the second coming of the machine, like it never happened.

    And she said in her book it was chronicled in that very newspaper that letter was published in. (Of course that was before computers. The full text is only online from 1981. The New York Times Index was only computerized since about 1969. It might be findable.

    Sammy Finkelman (0730f4)

  211. bill h.
    f you you f n f.
    I worked my arse off for Cruz.
    Blow me you prick.

    mg (31009b)

  212. If a man requests sexual favors from another man, that means he’s … not straight.

    John Hitchcock (7ff157)

  213. John Hitchcock

    You must blow to know.

    mg (31009b)

  214. Waxey Gordon?

    nk (dbc370)

  215. bill h.
    f you you f n f.
    I worked my arse off for Cruz.
    Blow me you prick.

    mg (31009b) — 5/25/2016 @ 9:44 pm

    Well, I see your transition to Trump-humper is seamless.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  216. Mr. Trump has lots of good ideas about the energy policy i hope

    we’ll find out more today

    happyfeet (831175)

  217. there’s reason to believe the Donald the Pathological Liar could become Donald the Clueless, Incurious Tyrant right now

    no actually there isn’t any reason to believe that … R’s are so used to soul-dead harvardtrash like ted and mitt and so inured to douchebag empty-headed trollops like meghan’s cowardly p.o.s. sleaze-daddy that they don’t even know what to do with people what are dynamically vibrantly joyously alive like Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/25/2016 @ 7:15 pm

    Well, it’s official. You’re a cult member. So, the Church of Scientology has Tom Cruise. Who’s the superstar of the Church of Donaldology, Scott Baio?

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  218. And for an evangelical who professes his faith at every opportunity, tithing is supposed to mean something, and Cruz just blows it off.

    I wouldn’t know, I’m not an evangelical. I thought one central point of the parable of the widow’s mite was that she gave to the less fortunate, not only as a desperately poor person, but without drawing public attention to her gift.

    There’s something unseemly and gauche about trumpeting to all and sundry (but especially to other bien pensant aristocrats) how generous one is.

    Hillary seems to have this in spades, while running a “foundation” that for all the world looks like a political campaign war chest. Trump too, but that is part of his shtick.

    Don’t know enough about Cruz to make that call, looks like you do? Have a good one.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  219. Mr. Trump has lots of good ideas about the energy policy i hope

    we’ll find out more today

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/26/2016 @ 5:31 amIf I was a betting man, I’d lay money that he’ll contradict whatever his printed policy says within three days. It’s what he does.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  220. i bet he makes the good policies to where we have not just the good jobs but a lot of energy security too

    that’s a future you can count on and invest in

    that’s what you get with Mr. Trump, not some pee-stanky old woman who could plant a mushroom farm in her crotch

    happyfeet (831175)

  221. Don’t know enough about Cruz to make that call, looks like you do? Have a good one.

    JP (bd5dd9) — 5/26/2016 @ 5:38 am

    This stuff about Cruz’s supposedly insufficient tithing is an attack pioneered by a Mike Huckabee PAC. The ads targeting Cruz were created by Nicholas Everhart, a political consultant who had been convicted mere months before of illegally attempting to retrieve computer files from a consulting firm that fired him.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  222. Boring.

    nk (dbc370)

  223. Tedious.

    nk (dbc370)

  224. Heard it umpteenth times before.

    nk (dbc370)

  225. That’s more than lebenteen.

    nk (dbc370)

  226. Less than a gazillion.

    nk (dbc370)

  227. ted cruz is a panderpoop he’ll snuffle all up in your bigot buttocks but will he tip you for the privilege?

    no way josé! (he’s too cheap)

    and then out of all the criminals and perverts and fascists in the food stamp administration

    harvardtrash ted thinks the one we need to fire is the one who’s guilty of speaking inartfully

    pathetic and desperate thy name is harvardtrash ted

    happyfeet (831175)

  228. John @ 150:
    So JP can use a Bible scripture to attack with no objection from you, but when I point to a different scripture, then WHOA that was completely out of bounds and I hate you prowlerguy.

    By your own statement, Trump is not a Christian. Who are you to judge that? Do you now have the ability to see into a man’s soul? I feel that is something that is reserved to God, no men. But put your own self-righteousness aside. If you had read the scriptures nearly as much as you seem to believe, you would know that the commands from Jesus and the Apostles to judge others applied to other Christians, thus the pointing out of sin in someone you do not consider a Christian is not in line with Jesus’ teachings. “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ” So why are you passing judgement on someone you say is outside the church?

    Further, you kind of missed my point altogether. “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” That’s the rest of the verse, and it was the point. An entire post is made by our host complaining that $4.5M is not nearly enough to have raised, and since Trump said, on the day of the fundraiser, that $6M had been raised, then he is a fraud and should not be elected President. But Ted give almost nothing of his own money to ANY good deeds, while being very generous with taxpayer’s dollars. He claims for himself the mantle of “real” Christian, yet instead of admitting his sins, he excuses them with lies. So as Cruz (and his followers) judge Trump, so shall they be judged.

    nk @ 156:
    False. And you know it, but you like to repeat lies endlessly don’t you? Unless, of course, the 19 organizations reached by the WSJ were lying. And the WaPo is lying about confirmation from the Marine Corps – Law Enforcement Foundation.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-veterans-group-donations-timeline

    And yes, I get that you hate the truth and anyone who speaks it. But you LOVE you some Teddie, and just think his constant lying is the bee’s knees. Enjoy choking on your own bile come November. Will you promise to leave, just like all the other empty-headed liberals?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  229. Trump fans bashing Cruz for his tithing, information they got from his tax returns, are quite precious, aren’t they? Do they have the integrity to note that Trump’s refusal to reveal his tax returns is evidence he’s got a lot more to hide than Cruz apparently did?

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  230. Trying to be objective: Trump saying at the event that they raised $6 mil which then turned out to be $4.5 mil seems to be much ado about nothing. Cruz not tithing is also much ado about nothing.

    This doesn’t change the fact that Trump lies a lot…

    Gerald A (945582)

  231. So JP can use a Bible scripture to attack…

    To attack? Who, Cruz?

    Did you interpret that as a serious dig at Trump?

    C’mon.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  232. who cares about tithing

    harvardtrash ted and his goldy sacky child of missionaries

    they flat out give no monies to charity!

    he is a phony baloney!

    happyfeet (831175)

  233. False. And you know it,

    Actually, I did not know it. Otherwise, I would not have made a statement so easily disproved.

    Thank you for correcting me. Sincerely.

    I will not apologize for the bile — it’s been a mutual exchange.

    And I agree with Gerald A. $4.5 million collected out of $6 million is just fine. I understand that not everybody who pledges actually pays up. Trump is entitled to his bragging rights — more so since it appears that he too did “finally cough up”* a million out of his own pocket.

    *Don’t take it the wrong way. That finally cough up” in the article you linked is what convinces me that it was not written by a friend of Trump’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  234. Well, I see your transition to Trump-humper is seamless.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 5/26/2016 @ 5:28 am

    Thanks. That’s much better than what I was thinking.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  235. My church does not do tithing. We have a nominal membership fee of $500.00 a year for those who want to pay it, collection plates, and envelopes for those who want to write a check. Also the church ladies will ambush us with their baskets on our way out when they need to fund some special event. That spin about Cruz, too, is much ado about nothing. Romney tithed a quarter of his income and what was spun was the taxes he did not pay on it. So, shuck that fit.

    nk (dbc370)

  236. JP @227:

    Don’t know enough about Cruz to make that call, looks like you do? Have a good one.

    You’d know much more about Cruz if you actually read things that don’t fit your worldview. After all, the tax records have been made public, and the link I provided had the video and transcript of Cruz himself. It is all there, irrefutably. So much so that the only attack that has been attempted by the #nevertrumpers has been a weak ad-hom attack on the author.

    I suppose it could be true that while he claimed $45K but “kept secret” around $500K of donations. And maybe he thought making up various stories and lies to cover that generosity up was the right thing to do. I’m a big fan of Occum’s Razor, so the most likely explanation is that this lawyer and financial wizard claimed every cent they could on the their taxes, and his lies and shifting stories were to cover up his parsimonious nature, not his charity.

    L.N. Smithee @182:
    As far as “ducking” debates, Trump participated in 11 debates, both before and after 1/28. Apparently Cruz couldn’t out-debate him enough to even come close to securing the nomination. He had to resort to blackmail (“Debate me or no money for veterans”) in order to stage a last-ditch attempt to do what he had failed to do 11 times before. Seems that this little nugget of Cruzite faith is as valid as “Trump only won because of open primaries”.

    Regarding Hillary, even in 2000 there was much more than the few items you choose to list. There were also accusations of murder, as I recall. and much more. So you premise is flawed. However, there are two major problems with your logic.

    1) In the past, partisan projections about future events is notoriously bad. Reagan was going to wreck the economy with his voodoo economics and engulf the world in a nuclear conflagration. Didn’t quite work out that way, did it?

    2) More significantly, this isn’t the year 2000, it is 2016. We KNOW what Hillary is willing to do when she has direct access to the levers of power. We’ve seen it. She has a track record as a Senator and as SoS. There really is no question what her presidency will look like. On the other had, you have to believe that Trump will do a perfect 180 and reverse every single part of his platform to even get him being CLOSE to as bad as Hillary. You have to literally believe that EVERYTHING he says is a lie in order to say they are the same. He has presented a list of SC nominees. Every one of them is far better that what Hillary has said she wants to appoint. And whatever other sins Trump has, both real and imagined, I have never seen anyone suggest that Trump is as callous regarding human life (What difference does it make?). And yes, I’ve seen the dustup regarding payment for a nephew’s child, but that was about money and the child never was in danger since the nephew had already received millions from the Trump family. It was strictly about who was going to pay.

    Remember

    If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice”
    — Geddy Lee et. al.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  237. i don’t hardly do any charities since 2012 except for the odd gofundmes or helping out friends

    i pay more than enough taxes to slop you failmerican food stamp piggies really really well

    oink oink

    happyfeet (831175)

  238. Yes, JP. I don’t believe you brought up the widow’s mite in order to cast Trump as the widow. It was clear that you intended to portray Trump as the rich people ostentatiously making their large contributions. You should at least own it, instead of feigning surprise that anyone could see your invocation of scripture could be any sort of dig at Trump.

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  239. There is a word for people who criticize others for not giving “enough” to charity, but do not give charity themselves.

    It’s near the word “hypotenuse” in the dictionary.

    Simon Jester (aa22d2)

  240. Then we agree, nk. This whole post by the host is about nothing. Other than to provide virtue signaling to other “conservatives” who would rather see Hillary elected President, this boils down to $4.5M not being enough when he said “We cleared $6M” during the fundraiser.

    So if this is a baseless attack, why are you not taking Patterico to task, and instead telling me to f*** myself because I pointed out (and provided links proving what I said) exactly what you now say? Or do you need to keep your tribal membership in good standing so you won’t get kicked out of his little FB club?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  241. “…ted cruz is a panderpoop he’ll snuffle all up in your bigot buttocks but will he tip you for the privilege?…”

    Oh, Mr. Feet. You are truly tireless in your vulgarity, dishonesty, and overall nonsense.

    Given your own comments, why do you write crap like the above?

    You carry out continual colonoscopies of your head up Trump’s nether regions and you ecstatically give us daily reports of your ongoing bromance. Which none of us have asked for.

    So I don’t believe you get to use the words “pander” or “snuffle” without being ridiculed.

    And you are a nasty bigot yourself. As you have proved, with your own words, repeatedly.

    I wish you would just go post over on Stormfront and be done with it.

    You really do stink this place up. Heck, even Patterico has called you a troll.

    Normal people who do a little self-reflection. But not you! You are too busy buffing Trump’s tower.

    Simon Jester (aa22d2)

  242. So if this is a baseless attack, why are you not taking Patterico to task, and instead telling me to f*** myself because I pointed out (and provided links proving what I said) exactly what you now say? Or do you need to keep your tribal membership in good standing so you won’t get kicked out of his little FB club?

    Nothing that complicated, prowlerguy. I am a simple person with simple motives. I just don’t like Trumpkins. And like the little boy who cried wolf I don’t believe them even when they are telling the truth.

    nk (dbc370)

  243. Easy, please, Simon. After all, happyfeet did vote for Romney when he found out that Romney gave 29% plus of his income to charity on declared charitable donations alone.

    nk (dbc370)

  244. I pointed out how fahrenhold is someone not worthy of trust,

    narciso (732bc0)

  245. I like the trump tower in chicago it’s very nice i feel bad they can’t develop the retail part Mr. Jester

    maybe the new apple store what’s going in down the river will help except they’d have to open up the walk more better

    a new life awaits us in the off-whirl colonies

    gotta love the future!

    happyfeet (831175)

  246. Sincerely, I do appreciate the talkingpointsmemo link from prowlerguy in his comment 237 and wish I had seen it sooner.

    nk (dbc370)

  247. The WaPo propagandist illustrated the ease with which the gibbering orangeutan be be stimulated to reflexively lie and/or fling feces. His piece is a primer for other propagandists and poke the monkey is going to be a prominent feature in coverage of this farce going forward.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  248. nk, w.r.t. comment #251 – that mentality summarizes why the White Sox will never have a fanbase larger than those damn Cubs. But I do think they’ll have their 2005 moment and a short view from the top. Sanders is probably the candidate polling better than Hillary 1 on 1 v. Trump simply because he’s expected to die soonest.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  249. You’d know much more about Cruz if you actually read things that don’t fit your worldview.

    And what, pray tell, is that worldview? I’m not even sure what it is, prowlerguy, so please share more of your searing insight and sparkling conversational skills with the rest of us.

    It is probably a fool’s errand to claim what lurks in the [wizened, festering] heart of Ted Cruz, or that of Donald Trump. Maybe you are correct that Cruz’s tax returns are a scathing indictment of personal parsimony; like most things in life, the answer is probably more complicated.

    I do admit some unease about those who announce their charity and righteousness, sometimes from the pulpit of all places. And while an agnostic, I think there is something noble and self-effacing about the instruction and practice of giving alms quietly.

    I am not sure this is something that appeals to certain personalities, so perhaps you will forgive me if I am uncomfortable with grand professions of financial munificence by fabulously wealthy politicians, or suggestions by less-fabulously-wealthy politicians that raising taxes and having other people donate, publicly and involuntarily, to someone else’s welfare is the hallmark of a truly generous society.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  250. I don’t believe you brought up the widow’s mite in order to cast Trump as the widow.

    I assume you mean Cruz, not Trump.

    That was precisely what I meant. I don’t know how much he gives to charity, and I’m starting to think you know even less than me on this (which is saying something).

    And it is rather telling that tax returns or highly public fundraising events are brandished as, what, a superlative indication of someone’s kindness? On the part of Cruz, Trump, or anyone else?

    Anyone who has spent time at a blood bank or a hospice has a pretty good idea that monetary provision only goes so far.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  251. nk, you know that Mr. Feet never votes.

    He does like to run his mouth.

    It’s a mystery why he cares so much about the latter and so little about the former.

    Oh wait, that’s right. He is a troll.

    Simon Jester (aa22d2)

  252. Maybe you are correct that Cruz’s tax returns are a scathing indictment of personal parsimony

    I’ve said nothing of the sort. I defy you to find a single mention of this by me prior to this thread. Until it was claimed that $4.5M instead of $6M showed Trump as a greedy miser since he could afford to make up the difference, Cruz’s charity was not an issue. But once Patterico said “Which he could easily fill the gap from his supposedly large personal fortune. So, will he?”, then it made sense to see if his preferred candidate measured up to the judgement he had meted out to Trump. Turned out that Cruz doesn’t. AND it turns out that he lies about it. Context is everything.

    And what, pray tell, is that worldview?

    Umm, that Cruz would make a great president and the Trump is unworthy and likely to be worse than even Hillary as president? At least, that’s what your post here would suggest.

    Regarding grand professions, I would think Trump would not even mention this topic any more if #nevertrumpers in the liberal press didn’t keep bringing it up. There are several documented cases where Trump has given to people without a press release.

    For instance, I think most of us here supported Andrew Tahmooressi as he rotted in a Mexican prison with no action by Obama. Most felt he was wrongly incarcerated and abandoned by the country he served. His cause was certainly NOT at the top of the NYT or WaPo agenda. But somehow Donald Trump, this alleged liberal Democrat, managed to track this story and give Tahmooressi $25K to help rebuild his life. And I’ll bet you never heard of that before this election cycle, if then. Most #nevertrumpers claim to have never heard about this at all.

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/donald-trump-quietly-helped-marine-whom-obama-ignored/

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  253. i love to vote it’s my favorite thing ever!

    there’s just a lot of strings attached here in chicagoland to where if you vote they’ll force you to do jury duty in some nasty government building where you have to use purell every time you touch something

    no thank you

    happyfeet (831175)

  254. JP (bd5dd9) — 5/26/2016 @ 8:08 am

    Well said, JP.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  255. Apparently you have trouble with the English language, JP.

    You brought up the widow’s mite to contrast the evil Trump throwing silver into the collection box against the poor Cruz, giving his last copper coins. Your intent was clear, and your attempts now to muddy the water and deny that was your intent are cowardly. Own your words, like a grownup. If you are going to use the Bible to cast judgments, then you open the door to be judged yourself.

    I agree with your statement “And it is rather telling that tax returns or highly public fundraising events are brandished as, what, a superlative indication of someone’s kindness? “. So why is Patterico making such a big deal out of Trump only raising $4.5M, when he could easily throw in another $1.5M? And why are you attacking someone who has pointed this out? Why not take Patterico to task for doing such a meaningless and spiteful thing?

    prowlerguy (fa36d8)

  256. Patterico may just be playing poke the monkey with Trump supporters.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  257. Prowlerguy, you are a good guy and you are making some good points. But I do not expect JP to “own” your interpretation/definition of what he meant by his words any more than I would expect you “own” his interpretation of what he thinks you mean by your words.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  258. Rick Ballard (161c5b) — 5/26/2016 @ 9:02 am

    Yes, Rick, that is what he is doing.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  259. nk, you know that Mr. Feet never votes.

    😉

    nk (dbc370)

  260. to: nk, et al
    re: HF

    I understand. but HF has voted – with his feet, when he moved from Ca to Il. You might do well to remind him of it.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  261. Wait, Mr. Feet.

    When you lived in California, you said you didn’t vote because it didn’t matter.

    In Chicago, first you said you were too late to register. Now you say you don’t want to do jury duty.

    Those are a lot of conflicting explanations for your “most favorite thing ever.”

    No wonder you like Trump.

    Neither of you can help but lie.

    Sheesh.

    Simon Jester (aa22d2)

  262. I defy you to find a single mention of this by me prior to this thread.

    There is evidence of it in this thread.

    Umm, that Cruz would make a great president and the Trump is unworthy and likely to be worse than even Hillary as president?

    Ah well. And I thought you were on a roll. Take care, buddy.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  263. you’re doing a very poor job keeping an accurate record of my lame not-voting excuses

    you have them all mixered up!

    happyfeet (831175)

  264. 264.Apparently you have trouble with the English language, JP.

    You have NO idea

    JP (bd5dd9)

  265. the monkey cage poking worked.

    Trump reaches the magic number of 1238.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-reaches-the-magic-number-to-clinch-nomination/ar-BBtvX3y?ocid=ansmsnnews11

    California still doesn’t matter.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  266. It depends on what the meaning of “millions” is.

    The Gentle Grizzly (7dc34e)

  267. How? Glad you asked. Delegates from several states which were previously unpledged

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  268. Shouldn’t Evil- supporters be focused upon the warts and lesions covering Evil+ rather than past opponents?

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  269. you’re doing a very poor job keeping an accurate record of my lame not-voting excuses

    you have them all mixered up!
    happyfeet (831175) — 5/26/2016 @ 9:27 am

    Which is what this post was about- lame, implausible excuses. Plan on them for the next four years, no matter how the election turns out.

    Luke Stywalker (eb2be7)

  270. I’m still registered for the primary, and I am willing to be persuaded into the Cruz camp.

    But California doesn’t matter.

    It’s those Bernie Ruffians what done it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  271. You brought up the widow’s mite to contrast the evil Trump throwing silver into the collection box against the poor Cruz, giving his last copper coins.

    Would agree with you that Donald Trump likes attention, but evil is a bit on the nose.

    Didn’t think the point that just because one does not see charity does not mean such charity does not exist, and this is no bad thing was especially subtle. As you’ve pointed out, Donald Trump may do some decent things that he chooses not to advertise.

    One wonders why. Maybe it would hurt the brand?

    JP (bd5dd9)

  272. The Evil+ campaign may have stumbled rather badly in picking #ClapChap for the <a href="https://twitter.com/Nimki2000/status/735818006463434754&quot;Are you man enough? ad.

    I mentioned we were going to get to Gonorrhea v Syphilis in this campaign. I didn’t expect it to happen so soon.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  273. 237. By your own statement, Trump is not a Christian. Who are you to judge that? Do you now have the ability to see into a man’s soul? I feel that is something that is reserved to God, no men. But put your own self-righteousness aside. If you had read the scriptures nearly as much as you seem to believe, you would know that the commands from Jesus and the Apostles to judge others applied to other Christians, thus the pointing out of sin in someone you do not consider a Christian is not in line with Jesus’ teachings. “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ” So why are you passing judgement on someone you say is outside the church?…

    Trump would be outside the church, prowlerguy, if he didn’t claim to be a Christian. And not just a Christian; a “great Christian.”

    http://wbt.com/trumps-message-to-iowa-i-am-a-great-christian/

    …Speaking to a crowd of 3,000 at West High School in Sioux City, Trump pleaded with the crowd for help.
    “Will you get these numbers up?” Trump asked the crowd. “I promise you I will do such a good job. First of all, I am a great Christian — and I am — I am. Remember that. And I do well with the evangelicals. But the evangelicals left me down a little bit this last month. I don’t know what I did. But I am a great Christian.

    Trump is precisely the kind of publicly unrepentant sinner…

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/

    …that Christians ares supposed to disassociate themselves from when they claim to be a Christian. Saying he’s not a Christian, in other words “he is not with us, and we are not with him,” is precisely what Christians are supposed to do. Otherwise non-Christians might get the idea that engaging in real estate fraud (Trump has settled several such suits), wire fraud, mail fraud (the judge in Kali refused to dismiss the RICO suit against Trump finding that he had in fact committed those predicate acts) are the kinds of things Christians can engage in.

    1 Corinthians 5

    9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

    I realize Bible is harz for you, prowlerguy. Perhaps instead of making a hash of it while trying to lecture other people about what’s in it and what you imagine it means, you should read it. Start with the parts on idolatry, given your Trump worship.

    Steve57 (fa6407)

  274. You noted that fahrenhold is a propagandist, yet it doesn’t affect your calculations.

    narciso (732bc0)

  275. One wonders why. Maybe it would hurt the brand?

    Or perhaps because he is not the vile creature the people here fervently wish him to be.

    prowlerguy (5a0219)

  276. 280.
    And the same may apply to Cruz.

    There is a long line of thinking that one should not seek mundane honor or benefit for charity. Which includes not taking tax deductions for one’s donations. Cruz may adhere to that line of thinking (or maybe not. I am not his cobfidante). And the same may apply to Donaldus Gloriosus, for all I know–though I am, given his tendency to proclaim his greatness in all things, more dubious about him.

    kishnevi (b9b7a2)

  277. From the link at 274

    Trump entered a new phase of his campaign Tuesday night by holding his first major campaign fundraiser: a $25,000-per-ticket dinner in Los Angeles.

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

    kishnevi (b9b7a2)

  278. Steve
    No need to decide if he is a swindler
    Psalm 52:9
    Here is the man who did not make God his stronghold, but trusted in his great wealth, and drew strength from his treachery
    Among other places in Scripture. Trump convicts himself out of his own mouth. Keywords arrogance, boastful, proud
    , braggart.
    (Btw, in Catholic bibles, that’s either Psalm 51 or 53. I know the numbering is different but can never remember how it diverges.)

    kishnevi (b9b7a2)

  279. Narciso,

    I applied the correct description to Fahrenhold and the primary purpose of his employer. Effective propaganda involves the manipulation of an underlying truth and the underlying truth regarding Evil- is that he is as much a reflexive liar and coward as Evil+. I acknowledge the evidence that Evil+ has exhibited a greater intent and willingness to damage the Republic than has Evil- to this point but there is nothing regarding the complete lack of character coupled with near total amorality of Evil- to suggest he would not at minimum attempt to damage the Republic to the same or greater extent.

    Abstinence wrt the President line on the ballot is always a choice, as is voting Libertarian in the hope of denying both the greater and the lesser evil a majority of the popular vote.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  280. What I really find amazing is that it took a WaPo writer to badger the OompaLoompa before he raced out and found a charity that he has now pledged to donate to. It would be interesting to see if his claim of sending his money, as opposed to his Foundation’s money, turns out to be true.

    JD (7fd277)

  281. And the same may apply to Cruz.

    I am ready to believe that he enjoys seeing his name in the paper. But as you say, we are not his confidants.

    (Or are we? Legend has it prowlerguy’s powers of clairvoyance can strike twice in the same thread)

    JP (bd5dd9)

  282. JD

    Read the link I provided. Now you are the second #nevertrumper to cast doubt on whether the charities got the money. How can so many of you be so willfully ignorant, and proud of it?

    prowlerguy (5a0219)

  283. There is a long line of thinking that one should not seek mundane honor or benefit for charity. Which includes not taking tax deductions for one’s donations.

    Why would one not take a tax deduction for one’s donations? For the vast majority of people, there would be no publicity and thus no “mundane honor or benefit” to be observed by others. And even for those revealing their tax returns, would it not be better to donate those tax savings themselves to charity or is one’s piety more important than advancing good?

    WTP (d553bf)

  284. Mr. Trump turns a veteran’s frown upside down!

    he sure is a plum lolly!

    happyfeet (831175)

  285. arrogance, boastful, proud, braggart, is built into the dna of advertising.

    Every Oscar Meyer commercial. The retweet. The submit comment button.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  286. ummmmmm

    i think that gay marriaging and transgender showering are just fine

    also lurving and perving and buttsnuffling on spray tan yelly braggy orange hairweave liars and cheaters what founded fake colleges to remove money from hardworking taxpayers while spending daddys monies

    its a free country for now

    but ixnay on the ollypop-lays

    keep that private, like not found in tranny bathrooms

    just making a service announcement to luv crazed pikachus

    the more you know

    trumpyfeet (4f347d)

  287. Steve57 (fa6407) — 5/26/2016 @ 10:26 am

    Anyone who proclaims before thousands of people “I am a great Christian!” is profoundly unclear on the concept.

    BTW, it was minutes after Trump said this that he called Ben Carson “pathological” and compared him to a child molester (“a sick puppy”), did his method-acting performance of Carson’s story of a blade breaking off on a friend’s belt buckle, questioned the sincerity of Carson’s prayerful spiritual awakening, and made his infamous “How stupid are the people of Iowa” remark.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  288. LN, you have probably seen me quote from Miller’s “A Canticle for Leibowitz”:


    “Simpletons! Yes, yes! I’m a simpleton! Are you a simpleton? We’ll build a town and we’ll name it Simple Town, because by then all the smart bastards that caused all this, they’ll be dead! Simpletons! Let’s go! This ought to show ’em! Anybody here not a simpleton? Get the bastard, if there is!”

    Change “simpleton” to “trumpkin” and I suspect we are there.

    And for the same reasons, in a way: people are angry with Washington. Me, too. I love the idea of an outsider.

    But using a guy who, without his father’s inheritance, would be doing “Sham-Wow” and “Grate-y” infomercials is a conundrum I cannot untangle.

    Especially given the man’s long standing stubby fingers in politicians’ pockets in DC, as well as connections to organized crime and clearly PT Barnum business (Trump University, Trump Water, Trump Steaks, etc).

    Compare this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw

    To this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUbWjIKxrrs

    Maybe Vince Offer should run for POTUS. He is certainly smoother. Heck, he even has lawsuits!

    True, he is Israeli born. Oh well.

    Simon Jester (4f347d)

  289. Prowler, the one who spoke of the woman giving a mite was spot-on. Your attack based on a verse that is most commonly used by non-Christians and anti-Christians as an attack against Christians, usually in defense of something or someone who NEEDS to be judged was exactly that: an attack against someone, defending the indefensible. Obviously, you did not read my discussion of that very topic, a discussion I wrote 5 years ago, or you would have seen I went beyond just that single verse.

    And yes, the same measure I used will be used against me, and you, and Trump, and hf, and Hillary. If you have not confessed your sins, repented of them, and asked forgiveness, you are not a Christian, plain and simple.

    Study to shew thyself approved.

    John Hitchcock (15dc56)

  290. when Mr. Trump wins i’m a make trumptinis!

    it’s most sensational inspirational celebrational muppetational beverage

    i might add a half shot of tito’s and drop the sour mix down a half-shot though

    happyfeet (831175)

  291. oh my goodness Mr. Trump is too cool for school

    our very firstest president to trademark his own signature adult beverage!

    it is truly an age of wonders

    happyfeet (831175)

  292. “Simpletons! Yes, yes! I’m a simpleton! Are you a simpleton? We’ll build a town and we’ll name it Simple Town, because by then all the smart bastards that caused all this, they’ll be dead! Simpletons! Let’s go! This ought to show ’em! Anybody here not a simpleton? Get the bastard, if there is!”

    Well in the Dunning-Kruger context, I’m good with this. Over the years I’ve grown increasingly tired of the “smart” people. They know so much. They talk so much. Many of them are lawyers and politicians and people who rant on the internet all the live long day. They know stuff. I have found that people who actually do stuff, and do stuff quite regularly, especially different kinds of stuff with many, many variables, are not all that “smart”. See what has become of our institutions that exist to make us “smarter” for example. Can’t recall where I read this recently but someone pointed out that Tesla was real smart but you sure as hell didn’t want him running your restaurant.

    WTP (d553bf)

  293. Oh, I am sure you already have a Trump ingredient based beverage, Mr. Feet.

    NTTIAWWT

    Simon Jester (4f347d)

  294. heh… that are not all that “smart” part would prolly more better read are more humble about their “smart”ness relative to the “smart” people.

    WTP (d553bf)

  295. Mr. Trump is the best one to pick this year Mr. Jester

    he’s the way and the light

    we don’t have to prostrate ourselves before her royal dampness

    we are free people

    we are defiant people

    we are americans

    and Mr. Trump will be our salvation

    you’ll see Mr. Jester

    happyfeet (831175)

  296. This ought to show ’em! Anybody here not a simpleton? Get the bastard, if there is!”

    Change “simpleton” to “trumpkin” and I suspect we are there.

    If you ever need a note from a simpleton in order “to pass”, Simon, got you covered.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  297. Hey all you who continue with the #ForeverHillary stuff: Eff you and your irritated bowels. Get a grip.

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  298. Oh, c’mon, Mr. Feet. You are just being bizarre.

    You can’t write:

    “we don’t have to prostrate ourselves before her royal dampness

    we are free people

    we are defiant people

    we are americans”

    And then have the history you do of idolizing your “plum lolly” of a huckster.

    You certain prostrate (or should I write “prostate”?) yourself before this character.

    Honestly, your personal issues should not…um…leak over into the political.

    Simon Jester (4f347d)

  299. papertiger, I rather expect I will be First Zek in the reeducation camp.

    I read too many Allan Drury novels as a young man.

    But thanks for the kind offer.

    Simon Jester (4f347d)

  300. I think you had it right the first time, WTP.

    DRJ (15874d)

  301. WTP-
    I agree with your perspective on charitable donations and taking a tax deduction,
    but I can see how some would choose to not do that. IMO it is very much an issue of individual conscience, if a person for whatever reason wants to keep ones donations fully without immediate reward including a tax return, I would not try to argue them out of it. I probably would ask them to explain their reasoning for my understanding.

    MD in Philly (96c392)

  302. Not really…or possibly not following you DRJ…My own post was quite heavy on sarcasm and such so I suppose it’s my own fault but are you saying you agree with this statement:

    I have found that people who actually do stuff, and do stuff quite regularly, especially different kinds of stuff with many, many variables, are not all that “smart”.

    with or without the sarcastic quotes?

    WTP (d553bf)

  303. Well from my perspective MD, it truly is their own damn business so for a specific individual I have not business criticizing. Nor in a real world scenario would I ever be aware of it, so the subject wouldn’t come up. But as some sort of an example as an ideal behavior that others should follow, sounds mighty stupid to me. And in so far as I would know about anyone claiming they really truly do do do give to charities but gosh-darn it they don’t want anyone to know so they don’t put it on their tax returns, well…gimme a break.

    WTP (d553bf)

  304. As far as “ducking” debates, Trump participated in 11 debates, both before and after 1/28. Apparently Cruz couldn’t out-debate him enough to even come close to securing the nomination.

    Part 1:

    Your response presupposes two things in error: That what Trump engages in is, in the classic sense, “debate,” and that the elections are directly related to whether or not one has won them.

    Ted Cruz is a debate champion. He can win debates, as he proved with his marathon conversation with Code Pink irritants disrupting on of his early campaign appearances. What a debate champion doesn’t do is win pissing matches with skunks. Cruz is well-respected because of his skills in the classroom, in the courtroom, behind the scenes at the Supreme Court and in front of it arguing in defense of the Constitution. Trump became a billionaire by being a skunk.

    I’m not saying this because I think Cruz won debates just by showing up. His performances were at times spotty, and was bested by Marco Rubio a couple of times. Trump, however, has never felt the need to prove his fitness for the job beyond his ability to appeal to voters. He maintained his lead despite being exposed as ignorant of the most important aspect of being President of the United States, the nation’s defense. ICYMI, here it is again, with a big, fat, whopping lie (or, to be charitable, untruth) linked to its debunking:

    HEWITT: What’s your priority among our nuclear triad?

    TRUMP: Well, first of all, I think we need somebody absolutely that we can trust, who is totally responsible, who really knows what he or she is doing. That is so powerful and so important. And one of the things that I’m frankly most proud of is that in 2003, 2004, I was totally against going into Iraq because you’re going to destabilize the Middle East. I called it. I called it very strongly. And it was very important.
    But we have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ball game. Frankly, I would have said get out of Syria; get out—if we didn’t have the power of weaponry today. The power is so massive that we can’t just leave areas that 50 years ago or 75 years ago we wouldn’t care. It was hand-to-hand combat.

    The biggest problem this world has today is not President Obama with global warming, which is inconceivable, this is what he’s saying. The biggest problem we have is nuclear—nuclear proliferation and having some maniac, having some madman go out and get a nuclear weapon. That’s in my opinion, that is the single biggest problem that our country faces right now.

    HEWITT: Of the three legs of the triad, though, do you have a priority? I want to go to Senator Rubio after that and ask him.

    TRUMP: I think—I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me.

    As many have suggested, this should’ve scared the crap out of the electorate. But that would depend on them being informed enough to realize he was trying to BS an answer about national security.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  305. And in so far as I would know about anyone claiming they really truly do do do give to charities but gosh-darn it they don’t want anyone to know so they don’t put it on their tax returns

    That does sound a little counterintuitive.

    From personal (albeit non-fiduciary!) experience, there are usually other reasons in addition to modesty why some people do not want any kind of publicity surrounding their charitable activities.

    Take blood donation. I know a fellow blood donor who does not want her family to know she provides blood because she was raised a Jehovah’s Witness in a small community (and no, I’m not denigrating the JWs for their beliefs). I know another blood donor who is terrified of needles [sic] and keeps this to himself lest his friends and family give him a hard time.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  306. 307… Okay, my apologies, didn’t mean it, I was watching The Ladykillers and got carried away…

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  307. The two party system has failed. Neither party has produced a qualified candidate, and the country will be in terrible shape which ever one is elected.

    Sure there are arguments that one will produce a better terribleness, but it will still be terrible. And what does it profit us to get a few supreme court picks if we get into a war with China?

    Frankly other options look better. In decreasing preference, a center-right third-party option, bad luck with planes, a pair of assassins, or a military coup. All would be better than electing either one of these gonifs.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  308. I dont recall the #willing for edward jason, contingent, simon,

    http://spectator.org/electoral-hysteria-invites-defeat/

    narciso (732bc0)

  309. With quotes, WTP. People who make things and do stuff — unlike lawyers and such — typically don’t put much store in being smart with today’s elite college standards.

    If you admit you are being sarcastic sometimes, it would help me if you would tell me what you actually think. Sarcasm can be hard to get online.

    DRJ (15874d)

  310. “Frankly other options look better. In decreasing preference, a center-right third-party option, bad luck with planes, a pair of assassins, or a military coup. All would be better than electing either one of these goings.”

    – Kevin M

    You’re gonna join me on the watchlist for that one.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  311. Yeah, I get that DRJ…I’m having trouble adjusting to this brave new world where absurdities pile on top of absurdities to the point where my old point-making stand-by of sarcasm is lost.

    WTP (d553bf)

  312. I understand why people might not claim actual, legitimate charitable deductions on their tax returns. Filing a simple return significantly reduces your chance of an audit, but deductions — even charitable deductions — can flag your tax return for an audit.

    DRJ (15874d)

  313. I’ve regretted some votes that I’ve cast in my life, even though at the time (and in hindsight) I thought I voted for the best available choice. I decided this is the year I’m not going to regret any more votes, which is why I won’t vote for Hillary or Trump, but I understand those who decide otherwise.

    DRJ (15874d)

  314. charitable deductions just get flagged if they’re a weirdly high percentage of your income it’s the home office one that’s an audit magnet

    happyfeet (831175)

  315. The average taxpayer claims charitable deductions between 2-5% of AGI. Anything over that could trigger an audit.

    DRJ (15874d)

  316. not a problem for ted

    happyfeet (831175)

  317. “I will readily admit that I have not been as faithful in this aspect of my walk as I should have been,” Cruz said.

    that’s cause you a pooper

    happyfeet (831175)

  318. 297. Steve57 (fa6407) — 5/26/2016 @ 10:26 am

    Anyone who proclaims before thousands of people “I am a great Christian!” is profoundly unclear on the concept…

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 5/26/2016 @ 11:55 am

    A lot of people are unclear on a lot of concepts. Trump on Christianity. And prowlerguy apparently thinks Christ’s references to Genesis 1 and 2, or God’s plan of creation, in Matthew 19 and Mark 10 can only apply to divorce.

    Or something.

    Steve57 (fa6407)

  319. would it have been better had he said ‘I know I haven’t been perfect, but I understand christianity is under siege, here and abroad, and I will do everything to protect it’ yes, but that’s not how he rolls, and frankly many people are not that nuanced, they’ll take a constantine, a henry tudor, if needs must,

    narciso (732bc0)

  320. christianity is not under siege that is SO melodramatic

    happyfeet (831175)

  321. Correct link for Are you man enough?

    Rick Ballard (161c5b) — 5/26/2016 @ 10:28 am

    Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman?

    Bill H (971e5f)

  322. Hmm,
    I don’t think I or any one else suggested that not claiming charitable deductions was a recommended and morally superior example for others to follow,
    in fact, I would disagree with that strongly,
    that is why I said I understood why some would want to do that as their own choice,
    but I would be as quick as anyone to disagree with it as some generalized suggestion.
    Sorry if my comment was unhelpful.

    MD in Philly (96c392)

  323. newsflash for everybody

    pikachu seems ocd about pee and poop

    plus hating womyns and loving gay marryings

    plus hating people what have schoolhouse rocks knowledging of the constitution and loving briby lying water and steak selling hucksters with orange hairweaves eurotrash wives and daddys money

    its a mystery

    pssss ocd

    trumpyfeet (4f347d)

  324. slater, has these odd fixations, it must the cupcakes,

    narciso (732bc0)

  325. i like happyfeet he’s a plum lolly

    happyfeet (831175)

  326. although his rampant misogyny suggests sterling archer,

    narciso (732bc0)

  327. Prowler – are you unable to read, stupid, or dishonest? Trump pledged to give a million of his own money. After being badgered by the reporter, Trumps folks quickly reached out to a charity asking for their donation information. Separate issue, asshat.

    JD (00ea64)

  328. As the gifted LN Smithee stated …

    “Anyone who proclaims before thousands of people “I am a great Christian!” is profoundly unclear on the concept.”

    Preach

    JD (00ea64)

  329. narciso, I have found Mr. Feet’s dream:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/vtf0uP1bwXBg4/giphy.gif

    I’m not going to discuss his profession of self-love. Hopefully it is more like this than what I suspect.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxX-PTxi6Is

    Simon Jester (4f347d)

  330. I’m still registered for the primary, and I am willing to be persuaded into the Cruz camp.

    But California doesn’t matter.

    It’s those Bernie Ruffians what done it.

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/26/2016 @ 9:44 am

    I finally had a look at the sample ballot today. I see Cruz is still on it. Damn the fact that Trump has taken the nomination. Cruz is still my candidate. I’ll be writing in at the general.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret: California never does matter during the beauty contests. And as leftist as this state is, it’s all in for Sir Hillary anyway. I don’t call it the People’s Grand Democratic Republic of California for nothing.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  331. I don’t where I get that crazy notion

    https://t.co/AUZOr5sw3j

    nor minya in egypt, where the independent soft pedaled the story,

    narciso (732bc0)

  332. and this is with a reportedly friendly government,

    https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/735748974993281026

    narciso (732bc0)

  333. “Trump Reaches the Magic Number to Clinch Nomination – Donald Trump reached the number of delegates needed to clinch the Republican nomination for president Thursday, completing an unlikely rise that has upended the political landscape and set the stage for a bitter fall campaign.

    Meanwhile, back at the Kristol Palace, previously headquarters of #NeverTrump many could be seen taking the #EverTrump pledge.”

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/nevertrump_to_evertrump_t.php

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  334. gotta love how Mr. Trump clinches that magic number!

    happyfeet (831175)

  335. don’t just stand there

    happyfeet (831175)

  336. don’t

    happyfeet (831175)

  337. don’t just stand there

    let’s get to it

    happyfeet (831175)

  338. vote for Trump there’s nothin to it!

    happyfeet (831175)

  339. 223. nk (dbc370) — 5/26/2016 @ 2:53 am

    Waxey Gordon?

    No, Waxey Gordon is Webster Hubbell.

    I didn’t know much about Waxey Gordon/ I knew he was a pre-Outfit gangster and thought maybe he’d been killed, but the others sent him to jail, (after maybe trying to kill him)

    http://www.babyfacenelsonjournal.com/waxey-gordon.html

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  340. 345. gotta love how Mr. Trump clinches that magic number!

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/26/2016 @ 3:15 pm

    The flying scissor locks o’love. It’s how Trumpy the insult clown clinches everything, but most especially eastern European chicks on work visas to model lingerie.

    Clinches or clenches?

    Steve57 (fa6407)

  341. he’s good at both

    he’s Mr. Trump!

    happyfeet (831175)

  342. he’s good at both

    he’s Mr. Trump!
    happyfeet (831175) — 5/26/2016 @ 6:51 pm

    happyfeet seems more like Mr. Happybeat when it comes to Trump (pun intended). If only he was an outlier.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  343. sterling archer isn’t serious about anything, except well perhaps his fritatas,

    narciso (732bc0)

  344. If only he was an outlier.

    Does Out Liar count?

    Luke Stywalker (eb2be7)


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