Patterico's Pontifications

1/27/2016

Trump Donated Squat to Veterans

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:31 pm

Donald “Duck the Debate” Trump is supposedly doing a fundraiser for veterans tomorrow, when he should be on a debate stage getting his ass kicked by Ted Cruz. Quite obviously, though, he is using the vets as a shield. Case in point: he has never bothered to donate much of anything to veterans before:

Donald Trump says he’s skipping the final debate before the Iowa caucuses on Thursday night because he’s upset with Fox News and debate moderator Megyn Kelly. Trump will instead hold a “special event to benefit veterans organizations” in Iowa, according to a campaign press release. But the event could come off as a cheap political stunt exploiting veterans, especially because the Donald J Trump Foundation has been far from generous to veterans organizations over the years.

As Emily Canal of Forbes reported in October: “The Donald J. Trump Foundation has donated $5.5 million to 298 charities between 2009 and 2013 (the most recent year available), according to the non-profit’s 990 tax forms from those years. Of that, only $57,000 has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families, Forbes found. Wounded Warriors was not among the organizations Trump’s foundation gave to in that time period.”

Some veterans say that the billionaire has been AWOL when it comes to helping veterans. “Donald Trump is not a leader in veterans’ philanthropy, unless he’s donated a lot of money that nobody knows about,” Paul Rieckhoff, founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, told the New York Times in July. “We were founded in New York. We are headquartered in New York. I’ve been here 10 years, and I don’t think I’ve ever even seen Donald Trump.”

Rieckhoff, an Iraq war veteran, wrote on Twitter on Tuesday: “If offered, @IAVA will decline donations from Trump’s event. We need strong policies from candidates, not to be used for political stunts.”

Meanwhile, Harry Reid accidentally let it temporarily slip that he loves him some Donald Trump:

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) backpedaled Wednesday after joking that, among the current Republican presidential field, he’s considering backing Donald Trump for the nomination.

“Look, we’ve gotten along fine,” the Democratic leader told reporters. “With that bunch of people running, I’m kind of pulling for him.”

Reid made the remark after the GOP front-runner touted his ability to work with top Democrats in Congress, including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), expected to be the next Senate Democratic leader.
Asked about Trump’s statement, Reid added, “Oh, I remember the good old days when he did a fundraiser or two for me.”

Reid quickly walked back his comments, apologizing for joking about supporting Trump — whom he called a “hateful demagogue who will do immeasurable damage to our country.”

WHA-WHA-WHA-WHAT’S THAT? People were paying attention?! No, no no no no, Trump and Democrats would not get along AT ALL! Harrumph harrumph!

Anyway, I really thought Trump would attend the debate. I repeat my prediction that this cements his loss in Iowa.

If he really sticks with it. I’m not sure I will believe it until I see it.

91 Responses to “Trump Donated Squat to Veterans”

  1. DING

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Hi Gazzer!


    Donald Trump: The Least Charitable Billionaire In The World

    Nice to see you, even if we don’t necessarily have the same opinion of this cretin.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  3. Donnie likes veterans. Just not the ones who get captured.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  4. Worse, from your link:

    The Trump Foundation’s $57,000 in donations to veterans groups from 2009 to 2013 amounted to far less than Trump’s donations to the Clinton Foundation. “Trump is listed on the Clinton Foundation’s donor page as having given somewhere between $100,001 and $250,000,” the Daily Caller reported last year.

    Dana (86e864)

  5. You guys are obviously instruments of the Megyn Kelly Mafia.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  6. Donnie likes veterans. Just not the ones who get captured.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

    Boy, you said it. Anyone who could make a comment like that in earnest is not remotely moved by real service to our nation. Got a draft deferment, of course.

    Not a fighter. Particularly when it comes to debates, which the glorious Kim Jong Un Trump always wins!

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  7. In the same period of time..2009-2013, which candidate donated more than $57,000 to Veterans charities and causes. I am not a Trump supporter, but I would like fellow Conservatives to compare apples to apples. My GreatGrandad was killed in WWI, he is “probably” still buried in Damascus, Syria. I am named for him and have his UK medal of honour, on the wall 3 feet from where I sit. Grandfather SEVERELY wounded El Alemein, also UK. Father wounded Korea, USAF, buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Youngest Brother, whose birthday is TODAY!!! 2 time USAF Officer of the year for EUROPEAN theater. Nephew wounded USMC Anbar province Iraq. I LOVE OUR MILITARY.
    Which candidates have donated MORE???

    Gus (7cc192)

  8. conceited jerks have no shame

    mg (31009b)

  9. Anyway, I really thought Trump would attend the debate. I repeat my prediction that this cements his loss in Iowa.

    Yeah, I’m with you. But keep in mind, I spent my childhood loving the Angels and regularly losing my lunch money to classmates who were more clearheaded gamblers.

    ThOR (a52560)

  10. Cruz supporter at #4 @ 9:47. I don’t know about Trumps concern for “captured” Vets, because we really have no CAPTURED VETS at this juncture. Obama on the other hand, had a DESERTER/COLLABORATOR who for 5 years was known to have ABANDONED his POST, and gone to the enemy. For 5 YEARS, FOR 5 YEARS, Bergdahl WAS KNOWN to have DESERTED. IT WAS 100% COMPLETELY KNOWN. Yet OBAMA took the opportunity and stage, and made a CLOWN of his CLOWN SELF, by pretending to be concerned with Bergdahls situation. THEN HE TRADED 5 DANGEROUS MUSLIM JIHADISTS for a pile of CRAP.
    No one I can imagine in my entire LIFETIME has been so TREASONOUS as OBAMA.

    Gus (7cc192)

  11. I don’t know about Trumps concern for “captured” Vets

    He likes the vets that weren’t caught, at least when referring to a POW who criticized him. He has shown zero respect for military service when it would come at any expense to his ego.

    Obama on the other hand,

    is not running in the GOP primary this year. The Bergdahl thing is horrible but doesn’t relate to Trump or his primary stunts.

    which candidate donated more than $57,000 to Veterans charities and causes[?]

    Classy folks do not broadcast their charity, so you’ll never really know. The ones who stand on stage patting themselves on the back are honoring themselves.

    That’s the point, Gus. Trump talks the talk, but didn’t walk the walk. Genuine charity is a personal matter. Posing as a benefactor only when it helps you, after decades of being stingy to that very cause, invites ridicule. It’s tacky. Like a loud cell phone conversation in a fine restaurant, or driving 60 in the left lane.

    Thank you for your family’s service, Gus. Many of us can recall a loved one or good friend who was killed in action. Because of that experience, I worry about having a leader with poor temperament under fire (Megyn Kelly barking from a podium is nothing compared to what a president deals with). Voters need to get a feel for which guy or gal is worthy of a great responsibility. That’s why the debates matter.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  12. First reaction: prune another loser of the reading list.

    Second reaction–hold on for a bit to see what happens to “I repeat my prediction that this cements his loss in Iowa.”

    Larry Sheldon (ed0b1b)

  13. quoting IAVA is just lame they’re tatted up cowardslut poofter trash on their best days

    happyfeet (831175)

  14. How many Iowa Sate freshman does it take to change a lightbulb?
    none, it’s a sophomore class.

    mg (31009b)

  15. The donald and his team football…
    Members of the Iowa football team were placed in a remedial English class. “Because we are all new on campus we are going to start with the basics,” the professor explained. “Does anyone know what comes after a sentence?” All of the players raised their hands. “The appeal!” they all shouted with pride.

    mg (31009b)

  16. Iowa is a over rated over pandered state. As is cow hampshire.

    mg (31009b)

  17. “quoting IAVA is just lame they’re tatted up cowardslut poofter trash on their best days”

    Mr. Trump’s debating standards seem to be rubbing off on his devotees.

    Luke Stywalker (f5beae)

  18. Traitor ryan is of no help to the elite republicans. lmao.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/paul_ryan_donald_trumps_best_friend.html

    mg (31009b)

  19. it is what it is Mr. Stywalker

    a sleazy cheesy veterans exploitation group

    yuck!

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. Which candidates have donated MORE???

    good question Mr. Gus

    U.S. Senate Candidate Ted Cruz’s income increased almost six-fold between 2006 and 2010 according tax returns Cruz released Friday.

    […]

    Records indicate that during those five years Cruz contributed just over $44,000 to charity, or less than one percent of income. The charities were not identified.

    i guess that gets us partway to an answer huh

    happyfeet (831175)

  21. Volunteers for Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s Republican presidential campaign will be distributing water on Wednesday to residents of Flint, Michigan – but apparently, only to anti-abortion groups.

    Wendy Lynn Day, the Michigan state director for the Cruz campaign, announced on Facebook last week that the water will be delivered to crisis pregnancy centers for “expecting moms and moms of little ones.”*

    lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  22. oops here is link for #21

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. It’s so amusing to watch HF defend trashy trashy loudmouth opportunist thin skinned braggy braggy orange hairpieces who give tons of cash to politicians he calls names. Droll. And the best part is that he won’t even vote. Again.

    Simon Jester (8baac0)

  24. i’m here to serve

    happyfeet (831175)

  25. Are you confusing IAVA with its PAC, happyfeet? Because IAVA itself is a 501(c )(3). PACs are a different thing as Lois Lerner will tell you.

    And open parenthesis-c-close parenthesis, without spaces, will give you (c) on this form. Let’s try for (R) with an r this time. Yup.

    nk (dbc370)

  26. Ok, ok, ActBlue does self-identify as Progressive and Democrat. I see happyfeet’s point.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. yes yes i’m relying on ActBlue’s vetting here in making my scurrilous assertions

    happyfeet (831175)

  28. Just another lazy obnoxious insulting hypocrite. And I’m not talking about the Hairpiece.

    Simon Jester (8baac0)

  29. you’re mean mister

    now my day is all off on the wrong foot

    hope you happy

    happyfeet (831175)

  30. Its a hack outfit responsible for Islamic state, taking over Iraq in part, because they couldn’t stop with the bush!!! Hysteria.

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. Hey, I’m not the one with issues. Not am I the only one saying it. But I do appreciate and honor your occasional attempts to find and present facts. Enough of that, and you might make a difference. Work is better than lazy snark.

    Simon Jester (8baac0)

  32. Short form, in your lingo: more facts, less hairpiece butt snuffling.

    Simon Jester (8baac0)

  33. IAVA seems to be a genuine charity from these numbers. http://media.iava.org.s3.amazonaws.com/2013AuditedFinancials.pdf It spends from $11 million to $16 million on program services and under $700K on management and under $1 million on fundraising. The opposite of the Clinton slush fund.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. They were mighty quiet about the .ca for five years, an associate of an appendage, votevets, even downplayed it when the scandal broke.

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. IAVA Recommendations:

    Ensure that all VA medical centers have appropriate facilities and are fully staffed to support the needs unique to women veterans,including women’s clinic and reproductive services.

    what does that mean you think

    happyfeet (831175)

  36. Any so-called veterans charity that turns down money that would help injured vets because they don’t agree with the giver’s political opinions isn’t looking out for vets. It’s ignoring the welfare of vets to make political statements.

    ropelight (565a43)

  37. Federal money cannot be used for abortions, if that’s what you’re hinting, so it probably means they want the VA to help Bradley Manning have a baby with Bowie Bergdahl.

    I agree with ropelight. We’ve had this discussion before about charities accepting “tainted money”. (I can’t remember the details.) Unless it’s blood money, they should take it and use it.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. I heard a news clip on the radio this morning saying that a spokesman for Wounded Warriors derided Trump’s fund raising event as a “political stunt” and said they wouldn’t accept the money? I guess they aren’t in need?!?!

    Colonel Haiku (0eab1a)

  39. Sorry, but where the money comes from suggests consent for the activity or philosophy that brought it. Principles matter. The wisdom of man is foolishness to the Lord. So once again, ropelight is wrong.

    John Hitchcock (b495dc)

  40. And open parenthesis-c-close parenthesis, without spaces, will give you © on this form. Let’s try for ® with an r this time. Yup.

    It does that in the preview, but as you will have discovered by now it doesn’t do it in the actual comment that posts. What You See Is Not Quite What You Get.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  41. Sorry, but where the money comes from suggests consent for the activity or philosophy that brought it.

    No, it doesn’t. Money is money, and it spends just as well regardless of the person it came from.

    Principles matter.

    Indeed they do, but when a person parts with his money his principles stay with him. So long as the money is his to give, I see no reason to refuse it. On the contrary, if he’s a bad person then it seems to me that good principles should forbid giving him money to do bad things with.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  42. Check out this is hell, for another perspective on iava

    narciso (2326a6)

  43. For instance, a Church youth group collecting for a mission fund should not accept money from The Foxhole, a business establishment a couple miles away.

    John Hitchcock (b495dc)

  44. When do the ‘if Trump wins I’m leaving the country’ pledges start? I’m going long on such pledges for 2016.

    East Bay Jay (c65ac0)

  45. #39, Colonel, the news has been full of stories exposing lavish spending by Wounded Warriors way beyond anything that could possibly be justifiable. The leadership is corrupt in the extreme, living high up on the hog. Think that government freeloader sitting in a luxury hotel suite’s hot tub with a glass of wine and grinning like a drunken possum eating a sweet potato.

    ropelight (565a43)

  46. How is this “special event to benefit veterans organizations” supposed to raise money? Is it going to be like those Jerry Lewis telethons for MS where people call in and pledge? Is it going to be a webcast? Could it put be together on short notice? Is Trump going to MC it?

    Gerald A (5dca03)

  47. IAVA does not seem to be like that. Look at the link at my comment #34. They spend less than 7% on organizational costs.

    As for their peacenikness, if anybody has a right to oppose wars it’s the soldiers who fought in them.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. Narciso, you mean ‘This Ain’t Hell’.

    And yeah, IAVA is a spinoff of OpTruth, according to TAH. Not exactly the most objective bunch of ‘anti-war’types.

    Toastrider (714b47)

  49. nk, that was a more accurate sentiment when soldiers were drafted and required to fight no matter their personal opinion of the opposing force. With today’s all volunteer armed forces the sentiment carries less weight.

    ropelight (565a43)

  50. And remember that many/most of the prominent members of “Vietnam Veterans Against the War” were not veterans at all, or were never in Vietnam.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  51. For instance, a Church youth group collecting for a mission fund should not accept money from The Foxhole, a business establishment a couple miles away.

    Why not, so long as the cheque arrives in the mail, and impressionable youth don’t have to go there in person to collect it? Will the world be a better place if the money is spent on good things or on bad ones?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  52. Trump is supporting Wounded Warriors right at the same time when CBS and the New York Times are running exposes on it.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/charity-watchdogs-question-wounded-warriors-spending-on-vets/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/us/wounded-warrior-project-spends-lavishly-on-itself-ex-employees-say.html?_r=0

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  53. Colonel Haiku (0eab1a) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:28 am

    I heard a news clip on the radio this morning saying that a spokesman for Wounded Warriors derided Trump’s fund raising event as a “political stunt” and said they wouldn’t accept the money? I guess they aren’t in need?!?!

    They are in need of help – of a political and reputational nature – and they are judging that Trump would hurt them more than help them. They certainly don’t need the media looking into them.

    http://www.redstate.com/2016/01/27/veterans-groups-line-reject-money-trump-even-raising/

    The main veterans group that Trump has used for publicity stunts in the past, the Wounded Warrior Project, was the subject of a scathing CBS report and recently lost their tax exempt status. Besides, if Trump is planning on using them, he hasn’t told anyone from the group. Per CNN, the Wounded Warrior Project has not even been contacted by Trump about possibly doing an event tomorrow.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  54. I think “This Ain’t Hell” is a web site.

    I saw an article about Wounded Warrior Project too,
    Looks like what started as a great thing changed as it got big and turned over to new leadership.
    At least that is what it looks like at a glance.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  55. That someone like Trump is triggering the reactions he does in various Republicans, referring to his current standing in the polls, shows just how desperate, exhausted and off-kilter things have become. There’s almost nothing bad that can be said about him that isn’t accurate (vain, thin-skinned, unreliable, rash, ideologically chameleon-like), running in tandem with he situation of the leading Democrat candidate (Hillary—corrupt, dishonest, inept and leftist) and the other Democrat (Sanders—foolish, idiotic and leftist).

    Bad times, baby.

    Mark (f713e4)

  56. Unless he unveils a big fat check Trump isn’t donating anything to veterans tonight either. The only thing he’s donating is his star power.

    Just like his famed real estate deals he’s slapping his name on something built with other people’s money.

    crazy (cde091)

  57. Because, Millhouse, accepting the money puts a veneer of respectability and acceptability on the activities involved. And that must not be done. The Lord over lucre.

    John Hitchcock (b495dc)

  58. If Trump was at the debate there would be no fundraising going on and no vets would benefit. Why not look on the bright side. Trump’s effort of whatever sort will result in benefits for veterans. Isn’t that a good thing?

    Don’t let an overly narrow focus on partisan politics obscure the larger view.

    ropelight (565a43)

  59. Yeah, I agree with ropelight – Trump should drop out of the race entirely to fundraise for veterans full time. He is a true American and believes in service.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  60. Don’t let an overly narrow focus on partisan politics obscure the larger view, people.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  61. Mr. The Donald please don’t listen to Mr. Leviticus

    i’d be so bored and sad if you went away

    you’re sassy!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  62. Liviticus, with Trump in the White House he’ll be able to appoint a new head of the Veterans Administration and do more to help all veterans than anything he might do as a private citizen.

    Don’t let an overly narrow, vindictive, and shortsighted obsession with hatred of the men and women who serve in the nation’s armed forces blind you to the alleviation of human suffering.

    ropelight (565a43)

  63. Trump could have staged this event any night over the last 20+ years he’s been toying with a presidential run but only now does it seem like a better use of his time. Give me a break. Writing a check is philanthropy. Wrapping yourself in the philanthropy of others is using them.

    crazy (cde091)

  64. For the record, I understand happyfeet’s nihilistic enjoyment of the chaos Trump is causing. I don’t share it, but I understand it.

    I do not understand the pathetic, simpering love of empty celebrity exhibited by people like ropelight.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  65. happyfeet,

    I’m really amused with your spin on Cruz giving water to Flint. So he gives water to a group out there. And the spin is that because he didn’t give the water to Planned Parenthood this is somehow about social conservatism. Granted, that was a stunt to some extent, but that’s a pretty desperate attempt to turn the thing around to evil.

    BTW, did you hear that Jerry Falwell endorsed Trump. You and Jerry Falwell have more in common than that, I think.

    which candidate donated more than $57,000 to Veterans charities and causes.

    Ropelight, it is good if it turns out Trump helps veterans, but he’s screwed so many people over with broken promises I am not holding my breath. This country is trying to pick a leader, and Trump, instead of standing like a man, is hiding from a debate and using wounded veterans as a cover. It’s politics for dumb people, and it’s tacky and disrespectful. Our vets should be honored because of what this country asks of them, not because it benefits your favorite politician when he makes a political blunder.

    Imagine what President Trump would do with our troops. Would he put his logo on their uniform? Would he demand they have parades for him? That is not respect.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  66. Don’t let an overly narrow, vindictive, and shortsighted obsession with hatred of the men and women who serve in the nation’s armed forces blind you to the alleviation of human suffering.

    ropelight (565a43)

    Maybe you misread the post. Trump *did not* help the veterans in the past, leaving that suffering unalleviated, despite claiming he has nine billion dollars and could easily help them quite a lot. That’s why he’s being criticized. Trump is showing awareness of a cause when it helps him, but did he help the vets ten years ago? If he is sincere about this, why didn’t he?

    And of course I do not hate our vets and have lost good friends I served with. I really hate to think our leaders would cheapen that.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  67. I’m really amused with your spin on Cruz giving water to Flint.

    i didn’t mean to put a spin on it other than lol

    it’s an interesting lil rorschach test all by itself i think

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  68. If Trump accepts, Heroes To Heroes Foundation utilizes over 90% of donated funds to successfully help U.S. combat veterans suffering with PTSD and TBI!

    https://heroestoheroes.org

    Michael Haltman (ba3bf2)

  69. Dustin, it was you who misread my comment, note that #60 was specifically addressed to Liviticus (who has not done his part in service to the nation). It was his overly narrow, vindictive, and shortsighted obsession with hatred of the men and women who serve in the nation’s armed forces that I referenced.

    Don’t let your hostility to Trump’s candidacy blind you to the possible good his high profile elevation of the issue of veterans services might accomplish. Go ahead and rag on him for not having done more in the past – but beware that knife cuts many ways. Cruz has given less than 1% of his income to charity. People who live in glass houses should think before throwing stones.

    ropelight (565a43)

  70. i didn’t mean to put a spin on it other than lol

    Some people need water. Cruz gives them water. You are critical because he didn’t give people you like more the water instead. If this were millions of gallons selectively excluding the people you like, it would make sense. Instead, it comes across as obsessed with social politics, which respectfully I think is a fair conclusion.

    You know you won the same sex marriage and abortion issues, right? There are wrinkles in that, but for the most part you’ve got your way. Yet we still have huge debt and a really intrusive government in need of a stubborn reform effort. Why do you overlook the reforms you need in favor of the reforms you do not need (because they already happened)? You’re free to do that, but it seems like you’re going to be stuck in this loop forever, trying to take delight in the miserable mess of a corrupt politician like Trump. Probably a negative place to be, forever.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  71. Anyone need a cease and desist order today? Just checking…

    Colonel Haiku (df3a15)

  72. Don’t let your hostility to Trump’s candidacy blind you to the possible good his high profile elevation of the issue of veterans services might accomplish.

    Ropelight, I admit I have quite a lot of hostility to Trump as a politician. He represents everything I dislike about politics and at least to me, is like a caricature of what I disliked about Romney.

    And I also admit that it’s great to bring attention to the cause of veterans. I do not think this cause is actually underrepresented, though. In fact, I think it’s specifically because it’s such a popular cause that Trump picked it over the causes that actually are underappreciated.

    It was his overly narrow, vindictive, and shortsighted obsession with hatred of the men and women who serve in the nation’s armed forces that I referenced.

    If that’s how he feels then he has no credibility on this subject and you were justified in that response. I don’t remember old threads very well and haven’t been around a lot lately. Hopefully if that’s how he’s felt he apologizes and changes his tune at the very least!

    Beyond retail political stunts, there are real problems in this area:

    We’ll see how any of the Republicans reform the VA behemoth. There’s something the vets really need. Most vets won’t benefit from these isolated charities, but many of the vets I know, myself included, would benefit from the VA being fixed. That will take a well resolved leader who can understand the federal bureaucracy. Obviously I’m very biased and you already know who I think is more likely to weather the flack and have the skills to do this.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  73. i’m not criticizing i just think it’s kind of a hoot

    the cruz people just have some very different neural pathways what they use when they look at a municipal water crisis than normal people do i think

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  74. “If that’s how he feels then he has no credibility on this subject and you were justified in that response. I don’t remember old threads very well and haven’t been around a lot lately. Hopefully if that’s how he’s felt he apologizes and changes his tune at the very least!”

    – Dustin

    Clearly that’s not how I feel, at all. ropelight made that up out of whole cloth. He can’t support his statement in any way, and he won’t try.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  75. well someone had to help flint, much of the state leadership’s cunning cunning plans didn’t work out, neither did the epa

    narciso (732bc0)

  76. “Hey we’ve got some water, and I just read about a desperate need for water.”
    Normal person 1

    “Why not just send our extra water up there and give it to someone. Won’t make a big picture difference, but someone who needs water will appreciate it a lot.”
    Normal person 2

    “It appears based on your plan that that your neural pathways are abnormal, due to helping the conservative unpersons happyfeet wants to die of thirst.”
    Finkleman smoking a giant sack of crack.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  77. Leviticus (efada1) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:59 am

    Didn’t mean to put you on the spot. We all have gotten bent out of shape over the years, so you never know if someone’s years old sentiment is being used against them. I try not to talk about the people I’m arguing with, but it’s so easy and everyone does it.

    At any rate, trump picked the most popular cause for a republican politician. I am skeptical that he’s actually increasing this issue’s profile so much as using an already popular issue to bask in what a great guy he is, which again, I find tacky. Trump is fundamentally a follower, not a leader. Why, the whole mess is because he couldn’t take the pressure of the debate, instead of pulling a Cruz or Gingrich and calling out bias on stage, which probably takes coolness under pressure that Trump hasn’t developed in his long life of never being told ‘no’.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  78. Because, Millhouse, accepting the money puts a veneer of respectability and acceptability on the activities involved.

    How does it do that? The money has turned its back on the house if ill repute and is now doing good things.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  79. BTW, did you hear that Jerry Falwell endorsed Trump. You and Jerry Falwell have more in common than that, I think.

    That would be Jerry Falwell Junior. I don’t think Jerry Sr would have done that.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  80. Who is harmed by lead in the water? Who needs extra clean water the most? Small children, that’s who. Especially those not yet born or recently born, with their brains still forming. So doesn’t it make sense to donate some water to a place that takes care of “expecting moms and moms of little ones”?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  81. Snyder was once considered a potential presidential candidate, that he stood by while this happened, is rather extraordinary,

    narciso (732bc0)

  82. IAVA is a little short on the “beef”. If you look at page 14 of the audit nk linked in #34, you’ll see that the vast majority of their contributions are nothing but public service announcements. So this bloviating is broadcast into the electronic winds of the universe, but it doesn’t provide any tangible service or facility to the vets. We’ve participated in a Wounded Warriors event and have donated for a number of years, and I thought they were doing some good. However, I’ll check this out more carefully.

    The VA is vile place. One of my uncles, a Bronze Star recipient in the Battle of the Bulge, had difficulties upon his return to civilian life, and he spend some time with the VA. The VA hospital in Long Beach (or thereabouts) was little more than a holding cell. I’ve seen nothing since that would change my opinion about the place. It is my great hope that I will never find it necessary to rely on this form of politically controlled “charity”. Particularly since Democrats place vets in the category of “potential terrorists” as a matter of political dogma.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  83. Snyder was once considered a potential presidential candidate, that he stood by while this happened, is rather extraordinary,

    What was he supposed to do about it? Why should he have realized there was a problem before anyone else did? The EPA knew but didn’t tell anyone.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  84. Snyder was a fool for accepting total responsibility for this. He should’ve pointed out where the errors were made and then provided an emergency action plan. And then held local government, the EPA and the Obama administration’s feet to the fire

    Colonel Haiku (df3a15)

  85. for dereliction of duty.

    Colonel Haiku (df3a15)

  86. That would be Jerry Falwell Junior. I don’t think Jerry Sr would have done that.

    Milhouse (87c499)

    Are you serious? You’re saying that the guy who died several years ago didn’t endorse Trump?

    Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  87. at least one publication, ran a picture of Sr.

    narciso (732bc0)

  88. When you say that Jerry Falwell did something, the natural assumption is that you refer to the famous person by that name, not to his son. I’m pointing out that this isn’t the famous Jerry Falwell but a different person by the same name, whose opinions aren’t particularly influential. The famous Falwell isn’t endorsing anyone because he’s dead, but I don’t think he would have endorsed Trump even if he were able to.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  89. I don’t know, the former was a long time democrat, like pat robertson’s father,

    narciso (732bc0)

  90. Jerry Falwell Junior’s homemade chili with a glass of sweet tea and a slice of lemon icebox pie oh hell yeah

    happyfeet (a037ad)


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