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1/10/2016

Where Were The German Men During The Cologne Attacks?

Filed under: General — Dana @ 3:02 pm

[guest post by Dana]

In the aftermath of the attacks on untold numbers of women in Cologne by Muslim males and asylum seekers, I’m sure most of us have given a lot of thought to any number of issues involved with that what happened that night. As I try to understand certain aspects of it, I thought I’d throw them up in posts. If the subject matter is old news to you, please skip this post and consider this your “more below the fold” notice …

Anyway, at the risk of sounding old fashioned, and not jumping to any conclusions, note that I am simply chewing things over in my mind. Given that, as I read reports from Europe and the US about the horrible events that night, I am having trouble finding any mention of German men fighting back against the assailants. I did find this as yet unverified report from a doorman at a luxury hotel in the area. It speaks clearly to the horrific events and the utter terror these women experienced:

“Throughout the evening again and again women came to me and asked if they could just stand next to me so I could look after them. I still didn’t quite know what that was all about. They told me they were chased by these guys”.

The men who had chased the girls then attempted to attack again, but martial arts expert Jurevic was ready: “These guys that chased them, then they really tried to attack me. I’ll have to be honest, I beat them all up.

“I’ve never witnessed something like this, I always thought this stuff would be some sort of right wing propaganda. But it was real!”.

Aside from that, and the passing mention of two men who tried to protect their female companions and one’s daughter, I’m not seeing where German men came to the defense of the throngs of women being victimized that night. It’s strikes me as odd given that large numbers of women were forced to walk through gauntlets of Muslim males upon exiting the train station and elsewhere in the square:

When we came out of the station, we were very surprised by the group we met, which was made up only of foreign men … We walked through the group of men, there was a tunnel through them, we walked through … I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and hit them, they men didn’t stop. I was horrified and I think I was touched around 100 times over the 200 metres.”

The women fought back, but were there no German men who also exited the station and saw what was happening? And if so, did they also fight against the assailants? Or did they see that they were outnumbered, and retreat? Clearly, it’s highly unlikely that there would not have been German men or male tourists in the area, given that it was New Year’s Eve, and especially as the attacks took place in the city’s main train station and the public square near it. The station was a central transit point for anyone coming from or going to a fireworks display over the Rhine and the bars and nightclubs in the heart of the city, in the shadow of its landmark cathedral.

This was not some obscure, out of the way location. It was a popular location for News Year’s Eve celebrating:

The spot, in the centre of the city, attracts thousands of people for the New Year celebrations, and the combination of crowds, alcohol and fireworks has proved problematic for police for a number of years.

So where were the German men and other male tourists during the melee and what were they doing? Because it would seem safe to assume that they would be there en masse, just like their female counterparts. And given that the majority of the women appeared to be on the young side and were planning to hit the bars and clubs and party, it would be likely the German men in attendance would also be on the young, able-bodied side. And yet, I can’t find mention of them, either being in the station, the square, or fighting to defend the women.

But, if they were on the scene and avoided getting involved, perhaps that speaks to what the “enlightened men” the mayor of Cologne referenced in an interview when she expressed shock that such inhuman practices took place that night, in light of a new generation of men who consider equality to be self-evident. Maybe the apparent absence of German men standing up to the thugs that night is precisely what this new generation of enlightened men look like. Maybe this is the end result of young men living in one the most progressive countries having been cowed and bullied their whole lives by the resident progressives and feminists demanding equality at every turn as they pushed their social constructs and successfully realigned the sexes. That is to say, perhaps the natural inclination in men to protect women has been culturally beaten out of them. If so, these enlightened young men men who consider equality self-evident no longer even resemble men.

Which then begs the question, if the above proposition has any merit, will the German men, and men elsewhere in Europe seeing these horrors unfold in their own countries, re-think their roles in light of this horrible New Year’s Eve? And perhaps even more importantly, will women let them?

p.s. Another reason they may have been afraid to get involved that night, aside from being beaten up or worse, was perhaps they were afraid of being arrested for assault against Muslim asylum seekers in a very politically correct nation whose government has already taken steps to censor speech on social media critical of Muslim immigrants and Merkel’s open-door policy.

What do you think?

–Dana

128 Responses to “Where Were The German Men During The Cologne Attacks?”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. it’s not really the muslims they should be fighting back against they’re just being who they are poor monkeys

    they should be fighting back against merkel’s perversion of germany

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. (if in fact they do not like how the new german mens are behaving)

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. Yes, but I was referring to that specific night.

    Dana (df569f)

  5. I think it all went much better than could be expected really Dana

    them muslims were primed to PARTY

    a lot of frauleins (sp?) learned Valuable Life Lessons what should help them understand how in the future they should only go out in public under special circumstances

    and the really nice thing is that all the publicity has helped to communicate these lessons to a lot of germans and people who may have been thinking of traveling to germany

    my goodness there’s been a lot of consciousness-raising this year – and it’s not even mid-January!

    happyfeet (831175)

  6. Well gee maybe the German men are a bunch of pussies? Who watches women be assaulted and does nothing? Pajama boys…maybe the German men were worried about messing up their hair?

    John Paul Jones (9e8f8d)

  7. Today’s Day By Day cartoon addresses this very question with the response to “Where were the men?” the answers is, “You mean the white men?” The point being that we white men, who having been the whipping boys for every feminist, left wing, progressive and SJW out there, probably don’t feel an urgent need to come to their rescue when confronted with the problems of their own making.

    I don’t concur with this, but it does illustrate that despite living the life ideal of “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” yet when the fecal matter hits the osculating, rotating device women suddenly want a man to go sacrifice his body to protect theirs.

    Thresherman (c9d903)

  8. if you think about it protecting women from hordes of horny muslims sounds kinda dangerous huh

    what’s the value proposition here exactly

    happyfeet (831175)

  9. quick question

    where are all the *failmerican* mens while President Obama Is Preparing A Plan To Close Guantanamo Bay

    happyfeet (831175)

  10. Greetings:

    It’s a fundamental tenet of Islamania that the kuffars need to feel themselves subdued. Cologne was just another step in the process. It seems to be working well for the Muslimaniacs and their fellow travelers.

    I get a bit of my YV from the France24 English-language broadcasts. Anytime LePen’s “Front Nationale” enters the discussion, it its described as “the far-right National Front” yet I have never heard France’s Le Parti de Gauche, which is so aptly named on a number of levels, referred to as “the far-left”.

    Whatever else one might think of these “far-right” groups which seem to be, however belatedly, coalescing across the Euro-borg, they are joining the battle and the battle is upon us.

    On the down side, the Euro-borg is still very much Bat Y’eor’s Eurarbia. The supporting propaganda is applied relentlessly as it has been for more than a generation.

    11B40 (69b9c8)

  11. 8… what’s the value proposition here exactly

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/10/2016 @ 3:29 pm

    I dunno. The truth mebbe.

    If you value the truth.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  12. My quick thought is that people/men are so used to depending on the govt to handle things that the idea to take action directly was such a foreign concept it just wasn’t seriously considered.

    I mean regular people aren’t supposed to have to deal with such things, that’s why they don’t need guns, for example.

    One has to have a mindset to run toward trouble, a mindset that usually needs to be cultivated, I think.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  13. #6: JPJ, one extraordinary aspect of those events was that the police stood by and let it happen. They even released the few culprits they detained when they saw that they were opposed by a much larger, and more aggressive, group of men. The police force was a combination of men and women, and perhaps they felt their first duty was to protect their female comrades, albeit at the expense of some other females who weren’t member of their tribe.

    As for the men, well, it took three Americans to thwart a mass-murder on the train to Paris. But this hasn’t happened elsewhere with men of European origin. For seventy years Germany has been beset by a collective guilt over WWII. The perpetrators of WWII atrocities are pretty much all deceased, but it has proven useful to the socialists to pass the guilt down to the grandchildren and great grandchildren of those who did the deed. Worse, few western European countries have assumed any significant responsibility for their own defense, perhaps confusing appeasement with peace earned by preparedness. They are living in a delusional dream. They are reaping what they have willingly sown.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  14. “the police stood by and let it happen. They even released the few culprits they detained when they saw that they were opposed by a much larger, and more aggressive, group of men.”

    If I were in charge of the police, I would instruct officers that in such a situation they should shoot to kill. And they should keep shooting until the mob retreats in panic. No mercy for savages.

    pst314 (ae6bd1)

  15. 9. quick question

    where are all the *failmerican* mens while President Obama Is Preparing A Plan To Close Guantanamo Bay

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/10/2016 @ 3:36 pm

    Do I have to tiresomely relive every comment heavy with links such as…

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/jihadis-threaten-to-burn-u-s-embassy-in-cairo

    September 10, 2012

    I got off that C-5 at Travis and looked at my nephew and I knew I could not silence myself about the threat he’d face unless I and those of like age faced it first.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  16. Dana
    I see it this way:
    There were about 1000 Muslim men who were assembled along racial and religious/cultural lines. They maybe don’t know each other personally but identify with one another and are loosely coordinated, but clearly they had each others backs and were bold enough to attack policewomen and organized enough to keep the policemen from being able to respond.
    The German men were probably loosely organized into groups of 2-5 friends that had zero to do with race, religion and for them to suddenly coalesce into a large enough group that grasps what is going on and then to breakthrough with violence would have been a stretch.
    Now if it was a soccer match, everyone would be wearing scarves and other identifying gear, be walking in packs, ready for whatever.
    I think from now on there will be more awareness of what men need to do, but I think the perception is that if you organize as whites based on race, you are acting like skinheads.
    Of course the Dutch and German skinheads have organized, but are still probably outmanned.
    We wanted the Germans to pacify after WWII except for the odd soccer riot and it looks like we all did a fine job

    steveg (fed1c9)

  17. I think this was mentioned elsewhere…
    Sean Penn had an audience with El Chapo prior to his arrest???

    Do we think that El Chapo will assume Penn had nothing to do with it?
    Do we think that if Penn was crazy enough to treat him respectfully that he is immune from the repercussions?
    Do we think Penn or his family, even if estranged, have more to fear?
    If you were part of Penn’s security team, would you quit?

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  18. #12: Doc, Mark Steyn witnessed a takeover of first-class accommodations on a train running the short distance between Copenhagen and Sweden. When he asked an official why the conductor or staff on the train didn’t intervene, he said the official replied that “he [the conductor] just wants a peaceful life.” The delusion that bad things aren’t happening unless we acknowledge them is widespread, and points to societal suicide.

    The Europeans took such delight in referring to Reagan as a “cowboy”. That sums up their failure to grapple with the real world rather succinctly. They had an Iron Curtain to remind them of the dangers awaiting, but they pretended they could deal with it as Soviet strength grew and grew. Who knows, perhaps the genetic repercussion of the massive (male) casualties in the two world wars, plus the extermination of Jews and Gypsies, are just now being felt. But I doubt it. Sweden is a basket case, and they enjoyed their neutrality in both wars. The evidence suggests that is the result of an indulgence in socialism and a decline in personal responsibility, as you pointed out. These advance socialist states are characterized by a bureaucracy that pretends to deal with every human need. If you buy into this concept, then passive acceptance is the end result.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  19. You always seem outnumbered so you dare not make a stand. /Bob Seegar

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  20. Several things:

    This is an example, I think, of women needing to be careful what they wish for.

    Also, it’s interesting and telling that women running in fear and terror found refuge behind a guy obviously willing to jump into the fray to protect them. That didn’t seem to be the norm that night.

    Further, I think American women, aside from the bitter hags and deluded young, still want and expect their men to protect them at all costs. And I believe American men, especially those here, are the type that would not only be compelled to protect their women being threatened or harmed, but also any woman in that predicament.

    Dana (86e864)

  21. Fickle memory tells me it wasn’t a C-5 but maybe a KC-10. Dunno. A C-5 would have been warmer. It was a long time ago to remember planes.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  22. Having met a few people who are children of Germans caught up in the war, often children of fathers who were young teens pressed into military service, I think we don’t appreciate the overall damage to the national psyche of Europeans, starting with WWI, and including the Brits.

    I guess one doesn’t learn from history if one is purposefully living in denial,
    perhaps Chamberlin was eager to proclaim “peace in our time” because he just couldn’t face the alternative.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  23. yes, as a remaining settler state, we still retain aspects of the frontier spirit,

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/suspect-who-tried-to-attack-paris-police-station-lived-with-asylum-seekers-in-germany/2016/01/10/

    so how exactly does one know who these people are, he had seven identities,

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. eurosissys say meow meow meow meow
    dressed in black
    don’t cross the Atlantic
    adolf needs a gun

    mg (31009b)

  25. Almost all the German men with spunk were left on the Western or Eastern fronts during the World Wars. These Germans are the descendants of those who weren’t winnowed the the great threshing of the 20th Century.

    Gordon Pasha (0e5b9e)

  26. The Islam crazies try that with Mexican girls in LA and they’re gonna get some bruises… and then when the Mexican guys get in the fight, someone is getting hurt bad. White kids is Laguna Beach? Not so much unless they are skaters, in which case be advised those things can leave a crease in your skull

    steveg (fed1c9)

  27. yes, there isn’t a rabbit hole, deep enough for Penn to hide it, life imitates art imitating art, in the falcon and the snowman, he played a drug dealer, who almost burned his proto Snowden high school classmate’s spy network, by being nabbed by the Mexicans, and he was a mob lawyer in another film,

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. The identity of crazy religious islamist a-hole needs to start to be counted asap

    steveg (fed1c9)

  29. steveg,

    I originally asked in my post, “where were the hooligans?,” but took it out. Yes, if it were a soccer match, there would be a big fight, but there apparently wasn’t on New Year’s Eve. What does that say more about: that soccer is worth getting pummeled over, but women not so much? Or does it say that the hooligans are loud mouthed louts that talk a big game, fight a big fight when something important to them, like their pride, is being threatened, but women just don’t rate as high?

    Dana (86e864)

  30. Or in Penns case just count the Chavez loving a-hole identity

    steveg (fed1c9)

  31. Thresherman @ 7,

    Thanks for pointing out the cartoon. It was good.

    …despite living the life ideal of “a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” yet when the fecal matter hits the osculating, rotating device women suddenly want a man to go sacrifice his body to protect theirs.

    Also, Thresherman, I commented upthread: it’s interesting and telling that women running in fear and terror found refuge behind a guy obviously willing to jump into the fray to protect them. That didn’t seem to be the norm that night. Women want men to be re-made into their image of what a man looks like (and that image closely resembles a woman), except when they need them to be who they originally were intended to be. Fickle, fickle, fickle.

    Dana (86e864)

  32. I think it reflects a mindset, Dana, more people are accustomed to the idea of a fight over a soccer game, something that doesn’t really matter much, but gives an outlet for Adrenalin and testosterone,
    than actually confronting evil.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  33. I’m saying they were not organized into “us vs. them” and instead took it as a big party where it was safe enough to attend in small fragmented groups, but it didn’t go that way.
    My guess is more than a few individuals and small groups of men tried to help and either got beaten back or simply screened off by a large crowd and were unable to be effective.
    I think the young German men do need to learn from the hooligans how to repurpose some of those crowd control barricades into battering rams.

    steveg (fed1c9)

  34. “Fickle”- wanting what one wants when one wants it, irrespective of any thought given to past or future considerations.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  35. Yes, MD, fickle.

    Dana (86e864)

  36. WRT Penn’s security guys: Do contracts for this service include a don’t-do-really-stupid-stuff proviso?

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  37. MD,

    Confronting evil is not a pleasant proposition for any of us. But it is necessary.

    Dana (86e864)

  38. Only kids go out on New Years Eve and they know the problem of getting involved. And you can see by the response of their leaders that they are right.

    AZ Bob (34bb80)

  39. well would they be working with penn, if this were so?

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. muzlums need to head back to their home sand and build some castles. Fix your sand dunes and stay the hell off of American soil.
    I hope gas goes to .99 cents/gal. And we stop funding all Foreign countries.

    mg (31009b)

  41. #11… Steve… You’ve just showcased Happyfeet’s scotoma.

    A Public Service Announcement.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. All I’m saying is that the worst flight I ever had was on Spirit airlines. Cuz I’m cheap.

    Second worse was the air force ride which involved rolling myself in a tarp and huddling against the cold air of the North Pacific. Because heat was something unknown to the air force or if known not to be wasted on the passengers in the cargo hold.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  43. Right Dana,
    which is why it needs to be cultivated

    MD in Philly (not in Philly at the moment) (deca84)

  44. surfing tasty waves
    or outing escaped kingpins
    Spiccoli’s dead… man

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  45. mg, it’s probably a Paulian libertarian wet dream to fantasize about stopping funding for “all countries.” The United States has interests around the world, and the notion that our interest in country X should be the same as in country Y is simply naive.

    There are shipping lanes throughout the world which need to be protected. That requires certain “things” from the United States.

    The south China Seas is a good example of where our naval imposition is necessary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  46. I was just reading a history of the PBY’s in WWII, and their cold weather flight experience (in Greenland, Iceland, Aleutians, and even lower 48 in winter) was like yours. Now when I look at the Olympics covered with snow above 3000′, I think of the misery of those who had to fly airplanes when the designers failed to consider that humans work best between temperatures of 50F and 90F. We went for a ride on the Collings Foundation B17 in summer and it was a wonderful experience. The same thing six months later would have been life threatening.

    We take a lot of stuff for granted.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  47. In “Fast Times,” Jeff Spicoli told Mr. Hand that he was simply having a little lunch and learning about Cuba. But he’s going to learn a little about how the narco-terrorists see the world. They may even eat Sean Penn for lunch.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  48. Coronello @42, I’m impressed by your vocabulary.

    I spare you the expansion of my vocabulary my air force education gave to me, which involved Marines rendering aid to children bleeding all over their Class A uniforms and me all of a sudden hitting on the epiphany of “Hey, I can buy a commercial airline ticket an avoid all this s***.”

    Steve57 (17e737)

  49. I always thought this stuff would be some sort of right wing propaganda. But it was real!”.

    I think that best sums up why the reaction to defend the women was either non-existent or very muted.

    Call the incident in Cologne a case of Nidal Hasan-ism — up close and personal — across the Atlantic.

    Mark (f713e4)

  50. 46 Cruz Supporter
    Take your shipping lanes and blow.
    Take your love of other counties and blow
    How about we run razor wire around the country and flip illegals the bird that want in.

    mg (31009b)

  51. Funniest New year’s fight ever. Punks start a fight with what they thought were trannies. Turns out they were MMA fighters in drag for a party. Hilarity ensues…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yvU6sifwkI

    Gazzer (3b0a0a)

  52. mg, that’s real Paulian brilliance…you insist that I need to go “blow,” simply because I understand that international shipping lanes are important to not only the American economy, but to the world economy.
    And your not very subtle suggestion that I should take my “love of other countries and blow”…gee, when you say “love of other countries”—which “other” countries are you intimating”?

    Coming from an obvious Paul POV, I bet you’re talking about Estonia or Latvia, right?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  53. mg, “razor wire” on the United States’ southern border is really going to prevent piracy by China in the south China Seas, huh?

    I’m just curious, are you a producer for Alex Jones?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  54. no it’s true, we were at the mercy of the barbary pirates, when our navy was a mere handful, read Ian Toll, or more recently Brian Kilmeade, our Phillipine adventure was an jump off point to the China market, our other expeditions, was to secure on defaulted loans, like Haiti, and Dominican Republic,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. Sorry, Steve, the word was embedded in my grey matter during a 2 week seminar 30 years ago… it just seemed appropriate.

    Colonel Haiku (0b084b)

  56. Cruz Supporter
    I’ve been Cruz/West
    for years. I have witnesses. Anyone on this site but you.
    The razor wire is being stretched on my farm to keep elite thinkers like yourself the hell off.

    mg (31009b)

  57. where were the german men? invading france or bombing england.

    nate (682e67)

  58. And one more thing Cruz Supporter
    I don’t need any help from any country or any elite thinkers.
    I have fresh water, seeds and the most fertile land on earth. One more thing, I know how to survive without you elite freaks and your south sea shipping lanes.
    Lock and Load yabba dabba doo

    mg (31009b)

  59. I am having trouble finding any mention of German men fighting back against the assailants

    If the police were afraid to fight back, because they were outnumbered, you expect people who were not police to fight back?

    Isn’t it enough that they escaped? Or hid? And maybe they did fight back (long enough to get away) when there was no alternative.

    The police in Germany, I read, are good, or experienced, at crowd control, but nobody expected this crowd, or at least did not expect the men in that crowd, or a certain portion of the men there, to be that rowdy.

    It wasn’t just sexual abuse. They were also stealing stuff. This was planned looting – with, what would be to some people, side benefits. I don’t think this was spontaneous in the least. It really was a gang.

    I think there was an intelligence failure.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  60. We Western men get told over and over again that women don’t want us to ride to their rescue. The latest Star Wars reinforces the point by showing a man running to rescue a woman only to have her deal with the attackers herself and then treat him with scorn for his efforts.

    When people are in an emergency situation, they don’t tend to think creatively, they act out what they have seen. And what those Germane men have seen all their life is that women don’t need and don’t want their interference. Add to this the fact that the Muslims were obviously organized and the German men weren’t. If one had tried to interfere on his own, he had no reason to think anyone would help, so he would just get stomped by a mob of twenty.

    Similar constraints allowed the successful hijacking of the two planes that brought down the World Trade Center. But when people on a third plane heard the news and knew that submitting would not really save them as the Establishment always taught them it would, then they fought back. And passengers on subsequent flights have shown that they learned the lesson as well. So, I’m looking forward to the next big celebration in Germany. Something tells me the young German men will be better prepared for that one.

    Cugel (13ba52)

  61. The assaults were a carefully laid plan.

    Otherwise why just this year?

    You quote a doorman saying he never saw it, so it is only this year. And you wouldn’t have had all these victims getting off at the train station for the New Year’s Eve fireworks if this had happened before. So this was indeed something new.

    Why now?

    Possible answers:

    1) They only arrived in Germany this year. I think we can safely say that is wrong (but it is interesting how people want to spread that theory. That theory also has the twist that the government is covering upp the “fact” theat these are people that Angela Merkel welcmed this year.)

    Saying that many were asylum seekers does not mean that they arrived this year. There are far too many Morrocans and Algerians involved for anything like that to be close to the truth.

    2) It happened before, but has been covered up for years. Also seems to be largely not true, although there are some precedents, apparently.

    3) Police were re-assigned. Maybe true, but if so, also true that some organizer saw an opportunity in that.

    4) The Russians organized this. Vladimir Putin is really running a Mafia. And he thought this could be blamed on migrants and dispose the west to side with Russia more.

    5) No real connection at all. It’s just that this was the first year some relatively young criminal mastermind was able to put a scheme like this together.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  62. yes it was a raiding party, well within their customs, the Barbary Pirates specialized in this, and weren’t some from North Africa,

    narciso (732bc0)

  63. Let me ask this: Do you all believe that if the German men *and women* had the right to keep and bear arms this crap would have happened? Do you believe if the moslems that did this knew about every fifth person was armed they would start screwing with people?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  64. Good illustration, Cugel

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  65. IOW, being a German citizen is being your own Gun Fee Zone and everybody knows it.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  66. Cugel? Is that as in Jewish lasagna?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27)

  67. 61. …I think there was an intelligence failure.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 1/10/2016 @ 7:37 pm

    Well, duh!

    Steve57 (17e737)

  68. mg,

    Do you realize that Americans are able to purchase reasonably-priced goods at Walmart because the United States Navy has long kept an eye on the traffic in the south China Seas ?
    And the integrity of those shipping lanes cuts both ways–it is healthy for our economy when we safely and efficiently export goods to Asia.

    The health of the American economy, as well as the health of the international economy, requires goods being safely received in Asian ports. Piracy in international waters is not a good thing. We no longer live in a pre-industrial world of the Monroe Doctrine where we can generally subsist upon the labor of artisans and craftsmen who live within 10 miles of our farm.
    While winning our independence from Great Britain was a positive on the whole, we did lose the protection of the British Navy—and that soon became a huge issue.
    Do a Google search of the impressing of some of our sailors by the Barbary Pirates.

    Do you really believe that only “elites” wish to see healthy trade with Asia?
    Reasonably-priced goods at Walmart benefits the every day lives of working-class and lower-class Americans much more than it does the Bushes and Trumps.

    The prospect of lucrative international trade often inspires closed, totalitarian societies to open up.
    And although Obama completely screwed up the Iran deal, the pre-existing economic sanctions on Iran were effective precisely because Iran had been engaging in international trade. In fact, OPEC is killing Iran right now by depressing its supply of oil to the world market. And guess what that does to Iranian oil exports.

    When Nixon opened up relations with China, China’s burgeoning economic incentives moved it more toward capitalism and democracy.

    By the same token, look at North Korea. It is a completely closed society. And there’s little leverage that the international community can implement against that regime simply because they don’t engage in very much international trade.

    Your lack of interest in maintaining the integrity of international shipping lanes places you more in line with Obama. He doesn’t seem to care too much about China’s aggression in the south China Seas, either.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  69. Good Allah, some people are tiresome in their verbosity.

    JD (34f761)

  70. #18 BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 1/10/2016 @ 4:12 pm
    ” These advance socialist states are characterized by a bureaucracy that pretends to deal with every human need. If you buy into this concept, then passive acceptance is the end result. ”

    = = = = =
    Well, passive *bewilderment*, maybe, when TSHTF and your Crack Team of Crime-Fighting Professionals has discovered an urgent need to be elsewhere.

    You’ll note it’s the same thing Obama & Co are trying to sell over here: “You don’t NEED guns. Bad things happen when amateurs fool around with serious weapons. Look, you’ve got highly-trained, PROFESSIONAL police officers whose JOB it is to take care of things like this!”

    It’s just that the Europeans bought into that notion; over here we’re still resisting it.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (8d351d)

  71. cruz supporter
    You over educated morons worry about other countries, instead of what is happening on our own soil. Take your heroin infested shipping lanes and have yourself an overdose. America needs to be self sufficient. Screw your walmart. People such as myself are fed up with global b.s. Americans should depend on no one. Nixon was a complete eff-up. China is winning. Big business should have rebuilt Mexico with factories for making our goods, but no they have to go to china so we can have mold infested drywall and plastic crap that has been shipped in your precious shipping lanes. We could be driving this crap across the border for a lot less. Take your big business and cram it. I always buy local and never buy from a chamber of commerce member. I have my way and you can keep blowing big business.

    mg (31009b)

  72. cruz supporter
    eff you.

    mg (31009b)

  73. mg(31009b) : You remind me of this old rhyme :

    “God bless me and my wife,
    my son and his wife,
    us four and
    no more, amen.”

    Michael Keohane (8da2b4)

  74. Where do you think the German men were? In the bathroom sitting down to urinate like
    the good little sitzpinklers they have become.

    Bar Sinister (c62a89)

  75. 64. narciso (732bc0) — 1/10/2016 @ 7:53 pm yes it was a raiding party, well within their customs, the Barbary Pirates specialized in this, and weren’t some from North Africa, It’s too many years = about 180 – for this to be connected to the Barbary pirates, and too many even through literature. The Medieval Vikings would have about as much to do with this.

    A raiding party is maybe a good word for this, because it didn’t just happen, except that, unlike that kind of raiding party, these people didn’t have their homes far away, but in an isolated mostly segregated section of the city or environs. All these people had been around Cologne for several years at least by now, and were committing petty and not so petty crimes, and they had probably originally met in German jails. (Good idea: confining criminals together. NOT!)

    Somebody organized this thing, complete with plans (maybe pre-existing) to dispose of the stolen goods.

    Western Europe, and much of western civilization, since the early to mid Twentieth Century, lacks proper antibodies against crime, so if it goes up for any reason at all, there’s not enough to stop it from getting worse and worse.

    It’s lack of punishment of juveniles and removal of other sanctions, but another important thing also that makes things worse is failure to increase the budget when something starts going wrong.

    Government doesn’t have too much trouble wasting money – but that’s planned and lobbied for spending. It has a lot of trouble increasing spending when it’s needed to prevent some kind of deterioration in living conditions, except maybe when the need doubles or triples in one year.

    Instead, it prioritizes.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  76. Prisons should be run the way the Quakers ran them, with maybe slight modifications.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_State_Penitentiary

    http://fcnl.org/issues/justice/quakers_know_prisons/

    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kruger/photos/2006/qpe.html

    http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker.php?markerId=1-A-1C

    Did the Eastern State Penitentiary, indeed, produce penitence? In 1832 French diplomat Alexis de Tocqueville commended the system, agreeing with the Quakers that “it is in solitude, where remorse will come to assail him.” Ten years later, the famous English author, Charles Dickens, penned strong disagreement. While acknowledging the good intentions of the Quaker reformers, he argued that “this slow and daily tampering with the mysteries of the brain [I hold] to be immeasurably worse than any torture of the body.”

    The reality of reformation of the inner self through isolation from evil influences never measured up to the ideal. In the succeeding years, the penitentiary moved away from its severe isolation techniques. Eventually a workshop, exercise yard and even a baseball league allowed more and more interactions among inmates. By the early twentieth century, prisoners and law enforcement officials alike considered Eastern State one of the toughest prisons in the United States. Perhaps the most famous prisoner at the penitentiary was Al Capone. By the late 1960s the prison had grown old and outdated. Eastern State finally closed its doors in 1971.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  77. perhaps Chamberlin was eager to proclaim “peace in our time” because he just couldn’t face the alternative.

    The British were horrified by their WWI casualties. We visited Ypres last September. There is an arch, like a smaller Arc du Triumph, that commemorates those dead who could not be found after the battles. There are 57,000 names on the arch.

    Eventually, the British fought inspired by Churchill who was a Victorian gentlemen. There are none left of that stomach, as Victorians might say. There are few Germans who would be willing to fight when the odds are against them. There were 154 policemen in that square New Years Eve. A few days later 1500 policemen with water cannons were available to punish demonstrators against the Muslim “immigrants.”

    The Gates of Vienna were opened by German elites who have bodyguards.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  78. if you raise nothing but sheep, you’ll not have any sheep dogs when the wolves show up…

    redc1c4 (3fdb69)

  79. Thanks for the details, Mike K.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  80. mg,

    The issue of safe shipping lanes in the south China Seas (and elsewhere, such as where Somali pirates roam) is a totally different question than the question of American contractors using low-end drywall imported from China.

    By the way, the American farmer feeds the world with exported grain and other agricultural products. That’s a big plus to our economy. By protecting the integrity of shipping lanes, we’re protecting American interests.

    I really don’t understand your way of characterizing the shipping lanes as singularly belonging to “big business” or “the chamber of commerce.” All sorts of small “mom & pop” businesses throughout America import foreign goods which end up on their shelves. And all sorts of small manufacturers throughout America export goods to foreign markets. International trade benefits consumers, whether they’re rich, poor, or middle class.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  81. Dana, Why are you so sexist? Why don’t you think the women could and should defend themselves? Don’t you support equality of the sexes? Equal rights for men and women? Why do you think women need ‘men’ to defend them? Don’t you think women are capable?

    Maybe the German men just supported equal rights.

    If the immigrants were sexually assaulting men, would you expect German women to jump in to defend them? Why not?

    noway (4e01f1)

  82. this will not end well…

    redc1c4 (ce98a8)

  83. I don’t think it is fair to blame all this on Merkel. She’s downright sane compared to her leftist opposition. The blame is on the entire establishment. Nothing new in that, actually.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  84. What the hell do these women expect? For YEARS the feminists have insisted that they are Strong, Independent™ women, and “they don’t need no man”. The next day, a woman protested, naked. I’ll protect, to my death the people in my tribe, and traditional women of all other tribes. The feminists are on their own.

    Wyowanderer (10a759)

  85. Women, especially white women leading the charge for “equal rights” have since the late 60s seen their path to freedom from traditional roles and advancement in the professions as one which requires blocking more qualified men from the opportunity to compete for open positions.

    Affirmative Action was then and remains now essentially a mask for enforcing quota systems which opened the doors to both women and minorities by slamming those same doors in the face of generations of white men.

    White women wanted “equality” and they got it. Women presidents of universities, women running police forces, women in combat, women as CEOs of major corporations, women at Commanders-in-Chief, women as the powerful political leaders of nations.

    Women who must be believed, women who demand taxpayers pay for their abortions – birth control pills – and psychological care, women who are above the law.

    Now, when the chickens of arrognce have come home to roost and the Muslim wolves are on the doorstep these entitled women wonder where the men are who will protect them? Ask Godot.

    ropelight (c944cd)

  86. I just read where the Marines are going to develop gender neutral boot camp.
    So, yeah,
    I guess the problem is that German women are not as tough as American women.
    Yes, that was tongue firmly planted in my cheek.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  87. Send in the abortionists. Let them strike fear of secular choice and clinical cannibalism into every grownup baby.

    n.n (688ac2)

  88. The Marine “gender neutral boot camp” will not survive a new president who is not an idiot. The Marines opposed this and were told to shut up.

    I interview and examine military recruits for all services. The girls who are volunteering are mostly interested in clerical and other non-combat jobs and are often well qualified for them. The pressure for combat arms is coming from female officers who feel they need a fake combat arm ticket punch to climb the rank structure.

    Some women have done well as pilots. Martha McSally was an A 10 pilot and the first US female combat pilot. She also was the one who fought the Saudi burka rules and won.

    She is now in Congress as a GOP rep from Arizona.

    I don’t think anyone seriously expects women to serve in real ground combat. There was one female MP sergeant who did well in a firefight. She was in a convoy that was ambushed and did very well but she was not infantry.

    While assigned to the 617th Military Police Company, a Kentucky Army National Guard unit out of Richmond, Kentucky, Hester received the Silver Star for her actions on 20 March 2005 during an enemy ambush on a supply convoy near the town of Salman Pak, Iraq.[5] Hester enlisted in the U.S. Army in April 2001 and is the first female U.S. Army soldier to receive the silver star since World War II and the first ever to be cited for valor in close quarters combat.[6]

    She is definitely a badass but wasn’t trying to hump 70 pound packs.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  89. I agree completely, Mike K.,
    From my outside looking in the problem with this is that I assume they will have to lower standards for more than a very few women to get in.

    I don’t know the details, maybe the SJM behind this will allow some sort of two tiered system, where people who will have combat roles have the same standards that have existed.

    I am sure there are some women of great physical skill and mental determination who can accomplish much in the military,
    But muscle bulk and physical strength really like testosterone.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  90. SJW that should be,
    Sorry

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  91. I’m not sure this is valid but there may be pushback coming.

    “They’re saying we are not going to change any standards,” Kelly told reporters at the Pentagon. “There will be great pressure, whether it’s 12 months from now, four years from now, because the question will be asked whether we’ve let women into these other roles, why aren’t they staying in those other roles? Why aren’t they advancing as infantry people?”

    That NY City firewoman filed for disability two weeks after beginning work but military losers come hime in boxes.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  92. Doc, the gender neutral Marine boot camp is a cunningly crafted response to the Democrat’s evaluation of their principal enemy. Who is, of course, the gender neutral, or more accurately, the neutered, Republican Party. They must be planning to fight fire with fire, so to speak. Perhaps deploying these storm troopers in a siege of the Capitol Building.

    Howard Kurtz, of Fox News, wrote an article today about the response of “elite” Republicans in D. C. to Trump. It is amazing how many prominent high level operatives from the Bush presidency are connected with the dark side of the force in D. C. I’d never heard of Michael Gerson (“Bush White House official” now working for WaPo) or Doug Heye (“communications chief of the RNC, a top deputy to Eric Cantor and a Bush administration official”), but with characters like this whispering in George II’s ear, it’s no wonder the Republican Party collapsed in 2006.

    Steyn had this to say about a Trump rally he attended in Vermont. Note that Steyn’s take on a lot of the outrageous statements the press attributes to Trump are nothing more than a standup comedian’s adlib, said for the purpose of topical humor to please his audience. But most importantly, Trump is actually responding to the audience, and not just repeating ad nauseam the carefully crafted- and targeted messages created by a team of neutered stooges along the lines of Gerson and Heye.

    There was a telling photo of O’Malley at a campaign event in New Hampshire where only one person showed up. I wonder if O’Malley went off script and had an honest conversation with the guy, or if the guy had to listen to an hour of campaign consultant tested verbal bumper stickers. Since the guy said he was undecided after the encounter, I suspect it was the latter. I have a hunch Trump has enough self confidence to act naturally and deal with such a fellow on a conversational basis. And this makes the D. C. consultants irrelevant. Cruz has this ability to deal with individuals on free wheeling, one-on-one basis (or two, but they were Code Pink troglodites), which is one reason the “elite” consultants fear him.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  93. Dana, please look up the correct meaning of the phrase “begs the question”.

    creeper (50825a)

  94. Where were all the Germans, male and female, when 12 million people were exterminated in concentration camps?

    This is not due to feminism and it’s not due to the counter-culture, sexual revolution, “Ooh, I Need A Dirty Woman” ethos. It’s due to the fact that Germans are oxen. They are only good when harnessed and prodded. When put in uniforms, lined up, and given orders by a “Leader”. Without orders, they will continue to chew their cud placidly or mill around puzzledly. Somebody said that German men sit down when they pee. Well, they do — their government-approved toilets have shelves that make the urine splatter all over the place if you try to urinate standing. They require license plates for bicycles, for crying out loud! The German “men” did not come to the defense of Aryan womanhood because nobody told them to do it and therefore they were not sure that it would be the right thing to do. It’s that simple.

    (I am assuming that the horrible sexual assaults were even noticed.)

    nk (dbc370)

  95. German authorities use WWII as a cudgel just as American authorities do slavery. If you make people feel guilty enough, they will do anything you ask to prove you are wrong. They’ll stand by helplessly as a million invaders pour over their borders. They’ll even elect an unknown Muslim to the presidency.

    creeper (50825a)

  96. RE: Begs the question. From Wikipedia …

    In modern vernacular usage, “to beg the question” is sometimes used to mean “to invite the question” (as in “This begs the question of whether…”) or “to dodge a question”.[2] These usages are often criticized as being mistaken.[3]

    Since the original meaning of begs the question came from “a mistranslation of the Latin petitio principii, which actually translates as “assuming the initial point” … Dana is just employing the modern usage which was clear from the context.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  97. nk, I’d agree with you if you substitute “socialist” for “German”. Beginning with Bismarck’s pensions, modern man of all origins and races has willingly traded his freedom for a false security. The Swiss had a reputation similar to that of your Germans prior to their happy divergence from the European mainstream in the 19th century. All those warring countries needed an honest broker. One interesting aspect of our financial situation is that the foreseeable collapse of our social security system might lead the government to engage in some form of warfare if only to create the “crisis” out of which a modified Ponzi scheme can emerge.

    We had a Republic …

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  98. And by “false security”, I mean both those 55,000 killed a Ypres whose bodies and parts could not be identified, and the other 6 million slaughtered all over the Globe. None of whom ever collected on their pension, from any country. In fact, the Americans from WWI who sought an early payout for their “pensions”, earned in the Great War (to End All Wars,) were shot and bayoneted by MacArthur. So unlike private insurance companies, and sellers of annuities, the government can be a very merciless master when it needs to be.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  99. Bob, even when they were fighting the Romans, the Germanics had a stratified social structure. The chieftain and his housecarls, supreme ruler; the second rank of nobles; the commoners; and the thralls. (Roughly, I derived this from military histories.) If modern ideas like democracy or socialism changed anything about 2,000 years of feudalism it would be elevating some lowborns to positions of leadership and you know what Agur had to say about that:

    …21Under three things the earth quakes, And under four, it cannot bear up: 22Under a slave when he becomes king, And a fool when he is satisfied with food, 23Under an unloved woman when she gets a husband, And a maidservant when she supplants her mistress.…

    nk (dbc370)

  100. The Germans seem to keep their aggressiveness for the autobahn and leave the rest at home.

    There seems to be a self segregation going on in England, where the prosperous whites are moving to the southeast coast. I was there in September where our friends invited us for a long weekend at their home. Our host commented that the “only brown face we would see in the city would be an NHS doctor.” We found this to be true. London looks very different.

    I think the Germans have bought themselves a decade of trouble, at the minimum. Sweden may be lost unless enough Muslims freeze to death.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  101. nk, I am reluctant to agree with your characterization that Germans are oxen. (And my horse is in another race entirely.) In WWII, the German army trained its junior officers and non-coms to act independently and with imagination. I think I experienced a watered-down version of some of their training exercises while “undergoing instruction” in the CG’s OCS. It is my understanding that the German’s gave orders that expressed goals and not methods. And this was a departure from the policies in other European armies. Particularly the Soviet army which did treat its men as oxen. In the war with Finland, about 35,000 Soviet troops perished trying a mid-winter frontal assault against 5,000 hunters. The Soviets were clad in dark coats that were inadequate for the freezing conditions, while the Finns were in white camouflage. The Finns could shoot accurately. The political commissars herded the Soviet troops at gunpoint to their deaths. I suspect as many died from pistol shots in the back as from rifle fire from the Finns.

    My life experience is that humans can be trained to understand and perform almost anything, given the time, the correct instruction, and a willingness to accept the training. I don’t think race or country of origin has much to do with this, except for the final point, the willingness to learn. In our country we have raised two generations of kids where a substantial portion have been indoctrinated to believe that they are entitled to whatever they want. They can be extremely difficult to teach, particularly since their parents reinforce their indoctrination. But one on one, most of these difficult kids can be reasoned with, and I suspect that as life grabs them by the throat, they will eventually become more interested in learning. But many will choose to simply deepen their indoctrination, perhaps as muslim converts in a Federal prison.

    You get what you pay for. We’ve paid ignoramus’s and political activists to “care” for and “teach” our kids. Oxen might be a good term for the product of our negligence.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  102. I’ll stop ranting. I should have been more merciful to Patterico’s bandwidth and just typed “Germans suck” to begin with. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  103. I don’t think it is fair to blame all this on Merkel. She’s downright sane compared to her leftist opposition. The blame is on the entire establishment. Nothing new in that, actually.

    Merkel reminds me of the various Republicans or quasi-conservatives (call them “country-club conservatives”) who are no less foolish than their leftwing counterparts are (call them “limousine liberals”) when it comes to the meaning or dynamics of the phrase “demographics is destiny.”

    Such people also illustrate the meaning of the phrase “voting with one’s feet,” and the necessity of what its definition is all about.

    Mark (8fe6db)

  104. 2. it’s not really the muslims they should be fighting back against they’re just being who they are poor monkeys

    they should be fighting back against merkel’s perversion of germany

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/10/2016 @ 3:10 pm

    If you’re looking to place the blame, try finding a mirror, Mr. Feets.

    I no doubt have achieved infamy with my gay marriage stance. Which involved my opposition to writing children out of the definition of marriage. Which is true, as far as it goes. And I remain true to it. But something else happened first. We wrote men out of the dictionary.

    Where were the German men, Dana? Why, the first thought is that’s a macroggression for you to even think there should be such a thing.

    The second thought is that they were in the trans restroom squatting and peeing like they’ve been trained.

    I don’t even want to think the third thought.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  105. Muslims seem to have difficulty getting along with the rest of humanity. But it’s probably Israel’s fault.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  106. @105, yes, it’s the joooooz fault. And Amerikazzzz! Always and forever. That’s exactly what the Muslims tell the Buddhists in Thailand.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  107. this has nothing to do with gay marriage is a phenomenon where the imported muslim refugee trash like to do the rape on the german women for example the angela merkel

    happyfeet (831175)

  108. well the problem goes back to the first wave of gastarbeiters, (guest workers) that settled in germany, leaving many working age german men, to end up dieter posh idiots,

    narciso (732bc0)

  109. i will pray for them after i eat my pizza

    happyfeet (831175)

  110. The reports about Barack’s forthcoming SOTU address seem to suggest that we’re in for another lecture about how we Americans have let him down. I’m guessing that if America had to stand for re-election in 2016, Barack would not vote for us.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  111. It has to do with the existence of men, Mr. Feets.

    Look around your gender neutral restroom and tell me I don’t have a point.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/01/07/marine-corps-ordered-make-boot-camp-coed-remove-man-from-titles.html

    Guess where the German men were? Go ahead, guess.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  112. …He’s also calling for the Marines to make all job titles gender-neutral as the service opens currently closed ground combat jobs to women….

    How freakin’ committed are y’all? And I mean committed as you’re effin’ insane.

    I can’t believe even gay people are this nuts. They’ve convinced my they’re crazy what with the Iranians hanging them from cranes and having no probs with that, but this escalates things to a new level.

    Steve57 (17e737)

  113. i just do not understand the connections between these dots you’re connecting

    my goodness it’s cold outside

    i wonder if you could do that trick where you throw the glass of waters in the air and it goes poof

    happyfeet (831175)

  114. in other rape news president food stamp raped him some jobs til they begged for mercy

    Arch Coal Taps Davis Polk in Latest Mining Bankruptcy

    then he raped them some more

    happyfeet (831175)

  115. Europe is becoming another rape enabling breeding ground.

    mg (31009b)

  116. It really was a gang.

    And here is the background:

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-crisis/migrant-crisis-cologne-gang-has-no-fear-says-former-cop-20160111-gm3rxa.html

    Former police officer Nick Hein says a migrant crime gang was operating with impunity at the station, in the knowledge that they could not lose their refugee status… [and apparently also, they wouldn’t be put in jail for very long, either. They could just continue merrily along.]

    …Mr Hein wrote on Facebook on Sunday that he was a policeman for more than 11 years, and in the last three of those he had shifts at the main train station in Cologne.

    “It was a special place,” he said. “You saw the depths of humanity – drugs, organised theft, asylum seekers and suicide.”

    But pickpocketing was “by far the biggest crime phenomenon at Cologne central station”, he said.

    “It was almost always the same group of offenders – north African asylum seekers.”

    That’s what’s being covered up. Tolerating a criminal mentality for three years or more.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  117. The police in most German cities are akin to the English Bobbies, in that most are unarmed. So firing to disperse the crowd would not work. (IIRC, there is a locked firearm, one for each officer, in each police car, which can be attached to their belt as needed, but subject to reprimand if accessed and, after the fact, it was not needed.) Furthermore, the intelligence gathering was poor and they had no rapid response team if indeed this was posted all over Facebook and social media.

    Finally, those going around at midnight are not the chavs and their ilk. There will be more and more of them showing up though in places where they can get a scrum on and get society’s approval. Expect to see LOTS of “Stolz un Frei” flags and tattoos in the news in the new year.

    MrScience_ (cd3d49)

  118. But the sound that you’re hearing is only the sound of the low spark of Low-T Euros…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. I sure wish someone would do a “Hitler hears about “refugee invaders feeling up der frauleins” video!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. SF: Tolerating a criminal mentality for three years or more

    Definitely more. Re-reading this more carefully, I see that that ex-policeman says that a migrant crime gang was operating there with impunity at the main train station in Cologne for the last 3 of his 11 years on the police force. He can only speak about what was going on then, but it sounds like, from the words that are used, that at the start of his 3 years, this was already the case there.

    He’s an ex-policeman – this news article doesn’t say when he left – so that is another thing that adds more time, too. Definitely carrying this back to before December, 2012.

    There are a lot of facts that aren’t coming through very well. I don’t think you can easily trust anything, and you must assume there are a bunch of missing facts here.

    There is now an official report about the events. They never called for back-up. I can think of another thing they didn’t do: Warn people to stay away, or keep the trains from stopping there.

    They couldn’t handle it, but they were also not acknowledging, even to themselves, or maybe especially to themselves, and their superiors, that something unusual was going on there, and each complaint was not something totally unrelated to what went on before. Every particular report was treated as something unique and unpredictable. Who knows if the police were even filing any complaints they received?

    I don’t know the size of the crowd. Maybe only 5% to 10% of the people there were being victimized -or maybe even only 2% or 3%, so it could seem that things were, generally speaking, normal there.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  121. 116. just do not understand the connections between these dots you’re connecting…

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/11/2016 @ 3:59 pm

    Maybe someone does.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn

    Steve57 (17e737)

  122. At that time most of german man where in a clothing stores, trying their new pink tube pants :-)

    Sebastian (d39991)


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