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8/31/2015

Remember When Hillary Clinton Said, “I’m confident that this process will prove that I never sent, nor received, any email that was marked classified”??

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:23 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Well, so much for her confidence because this is the scandal that just keeps on giving:

The State Department has deemed roughly 150 more of Hillary Clinton’s email messages to be classified, a move certain to fuel the roiling controversy over her use of a private email server instead of an official government account when she served as secretary of state.

The new classifications will more than triple the previous total of 63 classified messages on Clinton’s account, but State Department spokesman Mark Toner stressed that the information was not marked classified at the time it was sent several years ago. He also said the decisions to classify the information did not represent a determination that it should have been marked or handled that way back then.

“That certainly does not speak to whether it was classified at the time it was sent, or forwarded, or received,” Toner said during the daily State Department briefing on Monday. “We stand by our contention that the information we’ve upgraded was not marked classified at the time it was sent.”

And more defense:

Toner batted away questions about whether State Department policy dictated that Clinton and other agency employees treat as classified information obtained in confidence from foreign officials or diplomats.

“Classification — we’ve said this many times — is not an exact science. It’s not, often, a black-and-white process,” Toner said. “There’s many strong opinions. … It’s not up to me to litigate these kinds of questions from the State Department podium.”

All of this comes in advance of the State Department’s pending release of 7,000 “additional pages” of her emails.

Also, not only did Clinton use a private server for official State Dept. business, a new report asserts that she also shared an email network with the Clinton Foundation:

Records reveal that Hillary Clinton’s private clintonemail.com server shared an IP address with her husband Bill Clinton’s email server, presidentclinton.com, and both servers were housed in New York City, not in the basement of the Clintons’ Chappaqua, New York home.

Web archives show that the Presidentclinton.com Web address was being operated by the Clinton Foundation as of 2009, when Hillary Clinton registered her own clintonemail.com server.

Numerous Clinton Foundation employees used the presidentclinton.com server for their own email addresses, which means that they were using email accounts that, if hacked, would have given any hacker complete access to Hillary Clinton’s State Department emails, as well.

The bombshell revelation raises new concerns about the possible illegality of Hillary Clinton’s private email use. The former Secretary of State is under federal investigation for potentially violating the Espionage Act by allowing people without a security clearance to access classified information. The fact that Hillary was sharing an email network with a private foundation means that people without a security clearance almost certainly had physical access to her server while she was working at the State Department.

As a reminder, this was Hillary back in March, 2015:

“Well the system we used was set up for President Clintons office and it had numerous safeguards it was on property guarded by the Secret Service and there were no security breaches, so I think that the use of that server which started with my husband proved to be effective and secure,” Hillary Clinton said in a March 2015 press conference.

But hey, don’t make a big deal about her email issues, it’s all good:

The New York Times ‏@nytimes Aug 26

Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for email use, saying it “wasn’t the best choice” http://nyti.ms/1EjMxdN

What do you think it will take for her to suspend her campaign?

(I’m thinking nothing short of being escorted away in handcuffs…)

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Yes, there is a vast right-wing conspiracy!

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UPDATE BY PATTERICO x2:

82 Responses to “Remember When Hillary Clinton Said, “I’m confident that this process will prove that I never sent, nor received, any email that was marked classified”??”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. But she’s a good woman who is just trying to do what she thinks is best for this country. If she wins I will tell everyone I hope she does well in office.

    Mr Pink (9dc6b0)

  3. This was one of the stories on the CBS Evening News today; all of a sudden, even the professional media other than Fox has noticed, and is running with this story.

    The Dana who noticed (1b79fa)

  4. good times, good times…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  5. cbs received its marching orders… the beast must be taken down.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. the first email that kicked this whole thing off had classified info from three different intelligence agencies on it, they all said the info was marked classified at the time it was sent, so let’s cut the bullsh*t.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. Anybody other than Hillary would have already been shamed out of the race and would be lawyering up in anticipation of an indictment. Any of us peons would already be in jail facing long terms behind bars. There is something wrong when she is allowed to get away with what she has.

    Bill M (906260)

  8. stinky pinky.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  9. I’m not sure about all this. Now, extreme views about classified information, we expect that from some of the terrorist groups, we expect that from people who don’t want to live in the modern world. They represent of date, out of touch policies. They are dead wrong for 21st century America. We should be going forward, not going back.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. Bill M,

    Neither she nor her husband know what shame is. Rather they know the seething anger of being treated like everyone else. After all, they are Clintons.

    Dana (86e864)

  11. stinky quasi-historic old lady boobies

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. I see what you did there, nk.

    Lucky for little Charlotte she was wanted.

    Dana (86e864)

  13. in the 1980s Kenneth McDuff murdered some people and went to prison. Ma Richards let him out afew years later. He then proceeded to murder 4 more for which he was subsequently executed. I view the discussion of the Hillary email crimes the same as K McDuffs last 4 murders. Why are we not talking about the whole compendium of her crimes.

    sdharms (93d829)

  14. NYT opening paragraph:

    The State Department redacted information from roughly 150 of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s emails from her time as secretary of state that were scheduled to be released on Monday night because they contain sensitive information, according to department officials.

    Dana (86e864)

  15. The bigger problem for her is releasing all 30,000 emails to her attorney Kendall. Classified information was present and her attorney lacked the proper clearances and caveats, need to know, and storage facilities for said data.

    Beasts of England (33dec6)

  16. Sen. Grassley’s letter to Kerry addresses the issues in my previous comment. You can find the letter at his Senate website.

    Beasts of England (33dec6)

  17. Saying “I take responsibility” absent anything like contrition nor punishment is an empty gesture.

    At a loss how it is the Obama Administration allowed any official to set up a private server. It’s worse than what John Deutsch and David Petraeus did by a huge factor.

    Bugg (137ba5)

  18. 17. Theory: Obama applied the “give them enough rope and they will hang themselves”. Actual consequences to US security being unimportant, of course.

    Alternative Theory: Obama did not care so he decided yo let the old biddy do what she wanted. Actual consequences to US security being unimportant, of course.

    kishnevi (294553)

  19. So…digging up my old memories as an Dial-up ISP support person.

    The record you care about is the MX record in the domain. Breibart has this right, though they skipped some steps, the historical records for presidentclinton and clintonemail root domains have MX records that point to the mail.(clinton site).com mail server. And both those mail servers have the same IP address in the historical DNS records as linked in the Breitbart story. (e.g. PresidentClinton.com MX record.)

    That IP address is going to go to a router somewhere. That router is likely sending ALL emails to one mail server. It is very possible that’s where it ends, and both email domains were hosted on the same box. It’s also possible that that mail server was a relay server that then sent one or both sets of mail to another server. That server could be anywhere, literally. All you need is an IP address and an open port on the receiving computer to take in the relayed email.

    Now, here’s the funny part about Hillary printing her emails. You lose all of the email routing information that is hidden in the email headers. This would contain the server names and IP address of each server the mail bounced from. That would give investigators a whole load of information about the networks and servers hosting the clintonemail.com mail server. (For an example of this, go into Gmail, click on the down triangle on the top right corner of the email and click ‘show original’. Each “Recieved:” line is a mail server).

    Xmas (35fdcf)

  20. It also helps if I spell “Received:” correctly. :-S

    Xmas (35fdcf)

  21. I don’t see how the latest represents a problem for her claim.
    Until they find the emails that were *marked* classified , she skates.
    (note: i think they will find such emails and that she will amend her claim to ‘knowingly’)

    seeRpea (181740)

  22. How you set up a private email server to conduct 100% of your business as SoS and then think you won’t get (or send) classified docs for a 4 year period is beyond me.

    This alone proves guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    Rodney King's Spirit (ab8c0d)

  23. Toner batted away questions about whether State Department policy dictated that Clinton and other agency employees treat as classified information obtained in confidence from foreign officials or diplomats.

    “Classification — we’ve said this many times — is not an exact science. It’s not, often, a black-and-white process,” Toner said. “There’s many strong opinions. … It’s not up to me to litigate these kinds of questions from the State Department podium.”

    These people are so full of crap. Actually there are some things that are an “exact science.” As in cut and dried. When an original classifying authority determines that something his or her agency has produced is classified at a certain level, that’s it. There is no debate, the matter is settled. It isn’t a matter of opinion, the matter is closed.

    So apparently the IG for the intel community has determined that Hillary! had information that was classified by CIA, NSA, and NGA. So when the original classifying authorities for those agencies made those classification determinations, Hillary! and the DoS have no say in the matter. That part of the process is “black and white,” this spokesweasel’s reference to “strong opinions” be damned.

    When the OCA for those outside agencies makes the call, nobody in the DoS can have an opinion on the matter.

    Similarly, and I know I’m beating a dead horse, but if I were a foreign head of state I’d cut off all information sharing with the USG, in particular with the DoS. And I’d cite this fool’s smokescreen about classification not being an exact science as the reason.

    I’ve been involved with bilateral intelligence exchanges. We share information only under certain circumstances. And foreign governments share information also only under certain circumstances. Agreements in “black and white” are made. Clearly if the DoS is going to make this kind of non-starter of an argument in order to defend what Hillary! did, in order to defend the indefensible, then clearly they can’t be trusted to keep those agreements. Because Hillary! didn’t keep those agreements, and this guy is saying that’s fine with the State Department. I’m not going to go into details, but we at DoD have cut off bilateral intel exchanges for less.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  24. “Fox News chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge reported this morning [8/25] that three government agencies are now confirming that information contained in Hillary Clinton’s private email was classified at the time it was sent.

    Herridge said the classified information was in an email three years ago from Clinton aide Huma Abedin to the then-secretary of state, and the messages kickstarted the ongoing FBI probe of Clinton’s email server.

    The DIA, the NSA, and the NGA, which oversees U.S. government spy satellites, confirmed to Herridge that the information was classified at the time and remains classified now. “

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

    For Immediate Release
    December 29, 2009
    Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information

    This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation’s progress depends on the free flow of information both within the Government and to the American people. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation’s security and demonstrating our commitment to open Government through accurate and accountable application of classification standards and routine, secure, and effective declassification are equally important priorities.

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    PART 1 — ORIGINAL CLASSIFICATION

    …Sec. 1.6. Identification and Markings. (a) At the time of original classification, the following shall be indicated in a manner that is immediately apparent:

    …(5) a concise reason for classification that, at a minimum, cites the applicable classification categories in section 1.4 of this order.

    …(e) Foreign government information shall retain its original classification markings or shall be assigned a U.S. classification that provides a degree of protection at least equivalent to that required by the entity that furnished the information. Foreign government information retaining its original classification markings need not be assigned a U.S. classification marking provided that the responsible agency determines that the foreign government markings are adequate to meet the purposes served by U.S. classification markings.

    These people at State are so full of it. When we supply information to a foreign government they have to safeguard that information as we require. And when a foreign government provides information to us, we have to protect it as they demand.

    No ifs, ands, or buts. This wasn’t up to Hillary! either. Unless every single foreign government that shared information with the DoS said, “WTF, Hill. Just put this on your easily-hackable private server so the whole world can see this.”

    This joker playing spokesweasel for the DoS is saying that one can have a differing opinion and just not comply with an executive order. As if that isn’t written in black and white.

    I still despise Barack Obama, but this E.O. is written differently than the ones I operated under. And his actually makes this point about protecting foreign government information in strict accordance with the foreign entity’s requirements more explicit than the previous versions.

    Of course, the subsequent DCI and departmental instructions on the subject made this point crystal clear.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  26. OT…Vladimir, like Nature, abhors a vacuum. In this case, the vacuum created by the current administration…http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html

    kishnevi (93670d)

  27. Meanwhile cbs reports Islamic state is coming closer to central damascus, just as the clients in Doha and Riyadh demanded.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  28. If the lefty media wanted Hillary!, they wouldn’t be running these stories about the emails. They emails would have gone down the rat hole and most of the population would have never known. But they continue to report about them; all 3 major networks, so she’s going down.

    dee (99f82d)

  29. 26. OT…Vladimir, like Nature, abhors a vacuum. In this case, the vacuum created by the current administration…http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4696268,00.html

    kishnevi (93670d) — 8/31/2015 @ 8:22 pm

    Yes, I’ve been hearing a giant sucking sound emanating from DC since 21 January 2009. I guess Putin heard the same thing, and decided to embrace the suck.

    27. Meanwhile cbs reports Islamic state is coming closer to central damascus, just as the clients in Doha and Riyadh demanded.

    narciso (ee1f88) — 8/31/2015 @ 8:40 pm

    Not bad for a J.V. team, eh?

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  30. Honestly, my favorite part of this is Patterico’s updates. Liberals are funny. Not in the ha ha sense. More like “good God these people are clueless and they lead our country while being privately anti-Semitic and dependent on the complacent media to cover them plus ignorant” sense.

    I have resisted saying this before, but it may be time to fear for our nation.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  31. What do you think it will take for her to suspend her campaign?
    (I’m thinking nothing short of being escorted away in handcuffs…)

    You’ve got to figure she is so shameless, arrogant and brazen that no amount of sarcasm aimed her way will necessarily be excessive or over-the-top. IOW, the most lurid theories about what makes her tick and extreme jokes about just how far her shamelessness goes could very well end up being a case of life imitating art.

    Once again, I observe her and all her toadies (or stooges) and I’m reminded why the quip about liberalism being a mental illness hits fairly close to the center of the target.

    Mark (dc566c)

  32. No one likes Hillary. Not the minions who will vote for her. Not Begala or the imps at Media Matters or Think Progress. Bill doesn’t like her. Heck, Obama doesn’t like her. She can count on three votes and only one is not related to her and it’s not Bill.

    To know her is not to like her. She has never done anything in her entire life to make anyone like her. She is the most unliked person in the whole nation.

    Yet, Hillary may be the next President because “liberals” like royalty more than they like their country. Don’t believe me, look up Kennedy in your encyclopedia.

    And if you want to spit “Bush” at me, let’s see how Jeb is doing with conservatives.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  33. 32. …Yet, Hillary may be the next President because “liberals” like royalty more than they like their country. Don’t believe me, look up Kennedy in your encyclopedia…

    Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 8/31/2015 @ 9:56 pm

    You don’t need to go that far back.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/chelsea-clinton-is-a-very-public-figure-so-why-does-she-still-feel-so-distant/2015/08/04/3b925f90-2a45-11e5-a250-42bd812efc09_story.html

    …Polished, practiced and private, Chelsea Clinton is the closest thing America has to a princess

    I want to vomit.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  34. OT: are China’s chemical capabilities being sabotaged? Three major explosions in less than 3 weeks??

    seeRpea (aa5346)

  35. What on Earth makes you think she’d bail on her campaign if she WAS led away in handcuffs? This woman wants the Presidency so badly, she’d run if they caught her in bed with a dead child, the blood still dripping from her fangs.

    C. S. P. Schofield (ab2cdc)

  36. All the evidence you need: The New York Times has run at least seven stories concerning Mrs Clinton’s e-mail problem since August 6th.

    The professional media are sensing blood in the water, and are slowly cooking Mrs Clinton’s goose.

    The blogger Dana (f6a568)

  37. Mr Schofield wrote:

    This woman wants the Presidency so badly, she’d run if they caught her in bed with a dead child, the blood still dripping from her fangs.

    And she’d still get at least 45% of the vote!

    The sadly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  38. If anyone is interested in the left’s approach to the Hillary e-mail problem, here it is. Gefilte fish!

    Clueless but keeping the covers over the head just in case.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  39. “HROD17“? On her own e-mail server? How many freakin’ e-mail accounts was she using?

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  40. Front page of the Dallas morning news 9/1/2015
    From the AP
    Experts in government secrecy law see almost no possibility of criminal action against hillary clinton or her top aides. According to the AP there was no evidence that any of the emails were classified.

    Trust the MSM

    Joe from Texas (debac0) — 9/1/2015 @ 6:50 am

    Joe from Texas (debac0)

  41. The fact that Hillary was sharing an email network with a private foundation means that people without a security clearance almost certainly had physical access to her server while she was working at the State Department

    That is correct.

    And the real thing to wonder about is not whether it was hacked – which it probably wasn’t, because the Clinton and their lawyers have a greater need for secrecy and ability to keep secrets than most people, but whether or not something was deliberately handed over.

    They would have been indicted long ago if they didn’t have an ability to keep secrets, and the computer age probably didn’t change that. They knew enough to use their own server. That’s not because of a lack of computer savvy.

    That she is under investigation for violations of the Espionage act is probably not correct. It started out as just an counter-intelligence investigation as to who could have had access to her emails. It may transition into a criminal investigation. There may not be any fine lines.

    Sammy Finkelman (39761f)

  42. Andrew McCarthy has an excellent post up at NRO dismantling the the infuriatingly dishonest USA Today Op-Ed written by a former federal prosecutor and admitted Hillary! partisan that I mentioned yesterday @:

    http://patterico.com/2015/08/28/the-extremely-serious-investigation-into-hillary-clinton/#comment-1787875

    McCarthy has a different viewpoint than I do, since I handled intelligence while in the Navy, while he’s an attorney. But some of the points are glaringly obvious no matter what from what angle you approach this.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423340/clinton-e-mail-scandal-a-laughable-defense

    …It is difficult to decide where to begin with Tompkins’s laughable claim that Petraeus’s certain knowledge that the information he was dealing with was classified is a “key” distinction from Clinton’s state of mind. Let’s start with the most obvious fact: The FBI is not limited to investigating the same misdemeanor offense to which Tompkins chose to let Petraeus plead guilty. The plethora of potential crimes the agents are investigating have a variety of proof elements, including different scienter requirements. For instance, as I’ve previously explained, one of the several felony violations of the Espionage Act (section 793 of the federal penal code) makes it a crime for an official to exercise gross negligence in handling classified information — e.g., to allow national defense information with which she has been entrusted to be lost, stolen, abstracted, destroyed, or improperly transmitted. So if a top government official were to set up an unauthorized private server system for storing and transmitting information under circumstances where she knew that (a) her job involved dealing with vast amounts of classified information and (b) the private system was easily penetrable by foreign intelligence services and other minimally competent hackers, she could be charged with a felony even if she did not have perfect knowledge that any one particular e-mail contained classified information…

    I must have mentioned this several times, but Hillary! set up her own private server to avoid accountability. And by doing so she also evaded all the safeguards designed to prevent the compromise of classified information. If that isn’t the definition of gross negligence, I don’t know what is.

    Or we can just take her word that she set up her home brew server for the sake of convenience. It’s still gross negligence. It was inconvenient for her to follow the protocols and use the government systems designed to prevent exactly this. The compromise of classified information.

    Somehow I don’t think she’s the “smartest woman in the world” is all that smart since she’s made all the public statements anyone would need to make the case that she has admitted to every element of the crimes covered by 18 USC Section 793.

    …(C) even if it were true that information was not marked classified until after it was sent or received, many of Clinton’s e-mails involved conversations with foreign officials which, under Obama’s own classification order, would automatically have been deemed classified because their disclosure was presumed to harm national security (see Executive Order 13526, sec. 1.1(d) (“The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security”)…

    As I mentioned upthread @25 that Obama’s E.O. is written differently than similar E.O.s that I used to operate under. But in many ways it makes things far more explicit (the DCIDs and the departmental instructions used to provide that clarity). But also upthread @23 I explained why you have to classify foreign government information. Because if you don’t safeguard it, and instead compromise it, governments turn the information spigot off. These information exchanges are mutually beneficial. By definition by losing the source of that beneficial information you have damaged national security. And if unauthorized disclosure damages national security then that information is by definition confidential. If unauthorized disclosure causes more damage, then it must be classified more highly (serious damage = Secret, extremely grave damage = Top Secret).

    Hillary! didn’t have a choice in the matter. This President has unwittingly performed a service. He took the matter out of her hands by making it clear in his E.O. how foreign government information must be classified.

    Which is why I’ve been going off about how these DoS spokesweasels are so full of crap. They try to claim classification isn’t black and white, it isn’t a matter of science, opinions can differ.

    No opinions can’t differ. Not if a President issues an E.O. directing how things must be done. To say you can have a different opinion is to admit you’re a rogue agency. Which is what the DoS is admitting to, make no mistake.

    I’ve only excerpted a small portion of McCarthy’s post. There’s much more thorough destruction of Anne M. Tompkins’ ridiculous attempt to defend Clinton at the link. And by extension a thorough spanking of all Hillary!’s defenders. I’d be embarrassed to lie on behalf of Hillary! like this, but then that’s why I’m not a liberal.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  43. I’m not sure where the idea originated that the server was in Chappaqua, but what Hillary is quoted as saying does not contradict the idea that it wasn’t. Hillary did not say it was.

    “Well the system we used was set up for President Clintons office and it had numerous safeguards it was on property guarded by the Secret Service and there were no security breaches, so I think that the use of that server which started with my husband proved to be effective and secure,” Hillary Clinton said in a March 2015 press conference.

    “set up for President Clintons office” – which was on 125 St. in Manhattan, not Chappaqua.

    “it had numerous safeguards” – Probably true. This doesn’t say top grade.

    ‘it was on property guarded by the Secret Service ” – The office on 125 St. is.

    “there were no security breaches” – but the server did go down (Huma Abedin couldn’t get into her Clinton email one day) possibly because of an attempted hack. (the hack could have been trying out passwords)

    “proved to be effective and secure” – to the best of any outsider’s knowledge.

    Sammy Finkelman (39761f)

  44. Petraeus’s certain knowledge that the information he was dealing with was classified is a “key” distinction from Clinton’s state of mind.

    Nom that’s a key distinction with Deutsch. Both Petraeus and Hillary Clinton wrote material themselves, unlike Deustch.

    A distinction with Petraeus is that Hillary does not admit to sharing with anyone not entitled to receive it, although she may be hiding the fact that she did.

    Hillary may also have received classified information a third party wrote, but it needs to be proven she is responsible for her aides sending it to her server. It’s not supposed to be possible, although that may be another lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (39761f)

  45. Ag80 #30,

    You are not alone in fearing for our nation. The men at the link agree and so do I.

    DRJ (521990)

  46. It seems there really is a Pajama Boy and he works for Hillary.

    DRJ (521990)

  47. CBS probably figures that the statutes of limitations have run out on whatever they did, but AP is still worried about more recent stuff.

    nk (dbc370)

  48. 40. …From the AP
    Experts in government secrecy law see almost no possibility of criminal action against hillary clinton or her top aides. According to the AP there was no evidence that any of the emails were classified…

    Joe from Texas (debac0) — 9/1/2015 @ 6:52 am

    I am so glad I don’t get that paper. Or any other paper. Because these “experts,” like Anne Tompkins, are just prostitutes for Hillary! and the Democratic party.

    Hillary! has no achievements to her name. Among her lack of achievements, she didn’t come up with a new category of information that wasn’t classified when she was SecState but is classified now.

    I won’t rehash the Obama E.O., but from her hubby Billy Jeff’s E.O.

    http://fas.org/sgp/clinton/eo12958.html

    Section 1.1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:

    (a) “National security” means the national defense or foreign relations of the United States.

    (b) “Information” means any knowledge that can be communicated or documentary material, regardless of its physical form or characteristics, that is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the United States Government. “Control” means the authority of the agency that originates information, or its successor in function, to regulate access to the information.

    (c) “Classified national security information” (hereafter “classified information”) means information that has been determined pursuant to this order or any predecessor order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure and is marked to indicate its classified status when in documentary form.

    (d) “Foreign Government Information” means:

    (1) information provided to the United States Government by a foreign government or governments, an international organization of governments, or any element thereof, with the expectation that the information, the source of the information, or both, are to be held in confidence;

    (2) information produced by the United States pursuant to or as a result of a joint arrangement with a foreign government or governments, or an international organization of governments, or any element thereof, requiring that the information, the arrangement, or both, are to be held in confidence; or

    (3) information received and treated as “Foreign Government Information” under the terms of a predecessor order.

    … Sec. 1.5. Classification Categories.

    Information may not be considered for classification unless it concerns:

    (a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations;

    (b) foreign government information;

    (c) intelligence activities (including special activities), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;

    (d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;

    (e) scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security;

    (f) United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities; or

    (g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, projects or plans relating to the national security.

    Bush simply amended this E.O. by issuing E.O. 13292 in 2003. So Billy Jeff’s remained valid except as amended, and those categories are exactly the same in Bush’s E.O.

    I still despise Obama, but in this case he did the nation a service. There might be some doubt if you read these earlier E.O.s just how foreign government information must be classified. His predecessors delegated that authority to the Director of the CIA. And the Director of the CIA issued what were known as DCIDs, or Director of Central Intelligence Directives (these E.O.s were never classified, most of the DCIDs have been declassified and available online, so it’s ok to talk about them). The DCI was the decider, as Bush2 would have put it. Once he decided a matter, no one could have a different opinion about it. That includes a Secretary of State.

    I’m not going to go back and dredge up Bush1’s, or Reagan’s, or Carter’s E.O.s on the matter. There is no “it’s classified now in 2015 but it wasn’t in 2009 through 2013.” It was classified when Hillary! first put foreign government information on her home brew server. Foreign government information has been classified a certain way for decades before Hillary! ever became SecState.

    I hate having my intelligence insulted by these “expert” whores for Hillary! All these “experts” are trying to do is mislead what they hope is an ignorant public. That includes these DoS spokesweasels. There is nothing murky or unclear or left to anyone’s opinion about these matters of classified information. The laws and regulations are clear because there are 18 year olds handling it, and nobody is trying to trip them up. The laws and regulations are there to draw bright, clear lines.

    And I’m not pretending to be the expert on the matter. As a matter of fact another former clearance holder speculated that there might be something called the security voting bloc in 2016. Because there are literally millions who could say exactly what I’m saying, and they are also sick of getting their intelligences insulted. If enough of us become single issue on the matter it could swing the election.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  49. re #45: I am starting to wonder if the real intelligence matter that is taking the clip out of H.C’s sails is the insult to our intelligence. At least we have been sparred hearing her whores explaining away the “air gap” issue. Gotta admit, when I read the point about the ‘air gap’ it took away any chance she did not commit a felony.
    Steve57 (or anyone else with such background), is there a possibility a defense of ignorance of the law keeping her out of jail or is she only safe because of the politics? What about Mrs Weiner?

    seeRpea (aa5346)

  50. seeRpea, if she’s going to be kept safe it’s only because of the politics. If she tries to plead ignorance then she’ll simply be making the case she was grossly negligent, which meets the standard for guilt under 18 USC Section 793 (f)(1) and (2), a felony.

    By virtue of her clearance, by virtue of her position as the head of the State Department, which routinely handles classified information, and by virtue of the fact that in December 2009 Obama designated her (by job title) as the original classification authority (OCA) for her department it would have been grossly negligent for her not to know. Everybody with a clearance is required to have training in safeguarding national security information. As head of her department it was her job to enforce those rules.

    Read “Part 4 – Safeguarding” in any of the E.O.s I’ve linked to upthread and it’s crystal clear what she had to know. Particularly Obama’s 13526, which makes her responsibilities even more explicit.

    As OCA she was required to have additional training in recognizing (and classifying) national security information, in the handling and safeguarding of national security information, plus additional training in the administrative, civil, and criminal penalties for failing to do so.

    There are either records that she got the training to do her job or their aren’t. If she got the training then she can’t play dumb. If she didn’t get the training it’s because she wanted to remain willfully ignorant of the requirements of her job. Which again is gross negligence.

    If this ends up in a courtroom she has no excuses.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  51. seeRpea, you should also read Andy McCarthy’s post at NRO (see #41). Your question goes to the heart of why Petraeus never wanted to see the inside of a courtroom.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  52. Steve, I’m thinking that the comparison of Clinton! and her minions to “ladies of the night” as a way of implying moral and intellectual decrepitude doesn’t really capture the depths of depravity to which Clinton! and her supporters have plunged. Unlike the group you compare them to, Clinton! et al provide no service that could be sold on an open market, in contrast to the ladies who manage to prosper even in a black market; they avoid accountability while the ladies keep careful accounts; they fear any form of transparency whereas your foil group embraces it; they rely on the media to cover up or obfuscate all traces of their crimes activities, while the foil group is all too often the subject of page 1 coverage when readership or viewership are in decline. Nor do the ladies take it as just another day at the office to cover up homicidal negligence by diverting attention to a video maker who happens to be out on parole. Nor would they attempt to recruit the parents of the victims of their negligence in supporting the fabrication by lying to them about the event.

    I’m thinking that just as these “ladies” became known as “hookers” due to the proclivities of General Hooker while encamped at the District of Columbia, perhaps we can find a way to personify this fecklessly fraudulent and self-serving execution of governmental duties with variant on Hillary!’s name, or names. We might, for example, refer to the DOJ attorneys who withhold evidence and attempt to sway public opinion with anonymous blog as a “bunch of rodhams!”

    bobathome (279337)

  53. Clintitutes?

    To switch gears for a second, I don’t think the DoS spokesweasels are blowing smoke entirely to defend Hillary! and her email practices. Apparently the DoS and IC IGs also criticized the entire Department for its failure to follow security protocol. In particular for its practice of using retired Foreign Service Officers to decide how information should be classified instead of following intelligence community instructions.

    Which they can’t do. So I wasn’t joking earlier when I called the DoS a rogue agency. Instead of the Director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence sets the standards for classifying, handling, and safeguarding classified national security information.

    Apparently the Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy is fighting a turf war with the IC to prevent the DoS’s security and email practices from falling under the scrutiny of anybody beyond his control. Which is why his spokesweasels are claiming that there can be some sort of legitimate dispute about classification and consequently email practices.

    Hint: there can’t be.

    If the DoS’s practices come under scrutiny, Kennedy is apparently worried it will be discovered that State Dept. personnel routinely mishandle classified information, and routinely discuss classified information on unclas systems.

    And if the Undersecretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy seems familiar to you, it’s because he was at the heart of the Benghazi scandal. If I recall correctly, he’s the guy who restricted that hoax of an accountability review board to lower level employees. Certainly no one at his level, and certainly not a political appointee, could bear any responsibility for that debacle.

    So when Hillary! tries to argue along the lines of everyone does it, and that our classification system is just stupid, there’s a kernel of truth to that. But only in the sense that seems to be consistent with the irresponsible practices that ruled at State. Which isn’t an excuse for her conduct as SecState, but a further indictment for being criminally irresponsible enough to tolerate it.

    Also, Andy McCarthy has a follow on post up at NRO, and he touches on this matter.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423362/clinton-emails-were-born-classified-andrew-c-mccarthy

    …With that as background, the order makes clear that there is one category of information that is automatically deemed classified: information from foreign governments. Section 1.1(d) of the executive order decrees: “The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.” The reason for this is plain: It is not just the often sensitive nature of diplomatic communications; it is the fact that, in order to protect our national security, the United States must rely on intelligence from foreign governments; if our government does not keep that information strictly confidential, the foreign governments will be unwilling to share it – endangering American lives. As Secretary of State, Clinton not only knew this elementary rule; it was her duty to ensure that the rule was followed throughout her department…

    She must have known it. She ignored it. As did her department before and since, it appears.

    …So what now? Are Hillary Clinton and the Obama State Department going to tell us that, while Obama attempts to rule the whole country by executive orders, the executive branch – i.e., the only part of the country that is actually bound by executive orders – is at liberty to ignore them?

    That’s exactly what they’re arguing when these spokesweasels claim this isn’t an exact science, it’s not written in black and white, and people can have different opinions.

    Yes, most emphatically yes, and h3ll no you can’t.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  54. 40. …From the AP
    Experts in government secrecy law see almost no possibility of criminal action against hillary clinton or her top aides. According to the AP there was no evidence that any of the emails were classified…

    Joe from Texas (debac0) — 9/1/2015 @ 6:52 am

    I am so glad I don’t get that paper. Or any other paper. Because these “experts,” like Anne Tompkins, are just prostitutes for Hillary! and the Democratic party.

    /blockquote>

    Steve – the Dallas morning news was actually a very good paper up until 15 years ago when they had massive cuts. Now they rely almost exclusively on AP and other news services, so it is now a complete regurgitation of democratic talking points from the lame stream media.

    Joe from Texas (debac0)

  55. Joe, judging from the school newspaper, the UW journalism program is basically a cut and paste operation. With such a huge campus, and so many departments, one would think their focus would be inward. But not so. It was almost entirely regurgitated AP stories, IMS. So a small newspaper would have difficulty recruiting actual “journalists”. They’d have to find them in the English Department or, recalling that Norbert Weiner’s first job was a reporter, in the Math Department.

    bobathome (279337)

  56. Joe from Tejas wrote:

    the Dallas morning news was actually a very good paper up until 15 years ago when they had massive cuts. Now they rely almost exclusively on AP and other news services, so it is now a complete regurgitation of democratic talking points from the lame stream media.

    The Louisville Courier-Journal had been a great newspaper in the 1970s, but I hadn’t seen it since maybe 1980. Then I saw a copy of it last year, and I was astonished; it was basically a slimmed down USA Today, and it sucked.

    But, what can you expect: print newspapers are just updated 18th century technology, and once today’s forty-years old die off, the last generation which was used to newspapers will be gone. Since everything that is in the dead-trees edition of the paper can be found, usually for free, on the internet, with the latest updates, there really is no more need for the print editions.

    The nonprofessional journalist Dana (f6a568)

  57. The only newspaper for which I actually pay is The Wall Street Journal, digital edition only; I use it as a standard source for my pathetic little blog. Everything else, I can find online for free.

    The New York Times allows you to read ten articles for free a month; with two computers, home and work, that’s twenty for me, so there’s no need to pay. I check the sports section of the Lexington (Kentucky) Herald-Leader, and I can see most of what I want there for free. I really don’t see how newspapers can survive.

    The blogger Dana (f6a568)

  58. Joe, I only got here 10 years ago. I never knew the Dallas Morning News when it was a good paper.

    Speaking of news, Sean Trend at The Federalist has a roundup of some of Hillary!’s emails that were in fact classified when they were sent.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/01/breaking-hillary-intentionally-originated-and-distributed-highly-classified-information/

    For once I’m not going to be commenting at length. She’s toast. It’s all over but the plea bargaining. The fat lady has sung.

    Just a couple of points.

    …The printed redaction code “1.4(D),” cited next to the redaction and at the top of the document next to the official classification date, pertains to information on “[f]oreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources[.]”…

    She’s going to claim this information wasn’t classified at the time, but has since become classified? Scroll up to #45 where I quote from her hubby Billy Jeff’s 1995 E.O. on classified national security information. I bolded those exact words from section 1.5 (d). And Billy Jeff didn’t invent those words; they were old and established when somebody cut and pasted them into his E.O.

    Yes, that information was classified when she sent that 2010 email. It was classified when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth (which I’m sure Hillary! remembers).

    On top of this she’s not only sending the substantive content of diplomatic discussions on an unclassified system, her emails and the emails she’s forwarding and receiving attribute that information to specific foreign government sources by name. And in one instance she’s forwarding this classified information to Sydney Blumenthal, a private citizen with no security clearance.

    The content alone would be classified. But to attribute it to specific sources by name is just…

    I take it the Joe Wilson named in some of these emails is the infamous Amb. Joe Wilson from the Bush-era l’affaire Plame. If so it confirms my impression that the DoS has long had an irresponsible attitude toward safeguarding classified information by routinely discussing it on unclassified systems but personal emails.

    Ace has some additional examples.

    http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358785

    Note the exchange between Hillary! and her M.E. envoy George Mitchell. The subject line is (I can’t believe this) “Here’s my personal email” (the content is “Please use this for reply”).

    What does the guy do? He doesn’t even bat an eye. He sends her an almost entirely classified email, subject line “Re: Here’s my personal email.”

    Not one of Hillary!’s (or her campaign’s) lies can hold up more than a few days. Wasn’t it just last week her campaign spokesweasels were claiming she didn’t knowingly receive any classified? That she was just a passive, unwitting recipient of information? Yet here she is, actively soliciting classified information to be sent to her private, unclassified email account.

    At this point even if nobody can locate any record of Hillary! getting any training whatsoever (no doubt because the DoS will follow their former boss’ practice and conveniently destroy it) for her to plead that she didn’t know this was classified would be the most obvious of lies and hopefully the judge will conclude it’s an aggravating circumstance that calls for the maximum sentence.

    For each count, for each individual email. To be served consecutively.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  59. * Note the exchange between Hillary! and her M.E. envoy George Mitchell. The subject line is (I can’t believe this) “Here’s my personal email” (the content is “Please use this for reply”).

    The subject line might as well have been “Let’s break the law,” with the content being “Please reply to this email.”

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  60. When it rains it pours for the Hillary! campaign.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/01/james-okeefe-a-political-sleuth-to-stalk-campaigns-for-wrongdoing/

    …In a five-minute video compilation, Veritas showed senior members of Mrs. Clinton’s team appearing to accept a donation from a Canadian women at Mrs. Clinton’s campaign announcement rally in exchange for hats and pins bearing the candidate’s name. The staff members — Molly Barker and Erin Tibe — express awareness that they cannot accept a donation from a foreigner but agree to allow the Canadian woman to give the money to an American citizen standing next to her who made the transaction on her behalf.

    Although the American happened to be one of Project Veritas’s staff members who used a fake name, Mr. O’Keefe made the case that the video showed a willingness by the campaign to skirt laws that forbid taking donations from foreigners by using a conduit. The transaction amounted to $75, and Project Veritas has asked Mrs. Clinton’s campaign to refund the money.

    “They have demonstrated a willingness to contravene the law,” Mr. O’Keefe said.

    …On Tuesday, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign denied any wrongdoing and accused Project Veritas of attempted entrapment.

    “Our staffers understand and follow the law, as demonstrated even in their selectively edited video,” said Jesse Ferguson, a campaign spokesman. “Project Veritas, on the other hand, has been caught trying to commit fraud, falsify identities and break campaign finance law — not surprising, given that their founder has already been convicted for efforts like this.”…

    This is laughable. This a clear-cut violation of federal elections law.

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2014-title11-vol1/xml/CFR-2014-title11-vol1-sec110-20.xml

    Title 11 – Federal Elections

    § 110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (2 U.S.C. 441e, 36 U.S.C. 510).

    (4) Knowingly means that a person must:
    (i) Have actual knowledge that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national;
    (ii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that there is a substantial probability that the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national; or
    (iii) Be aware of facts that would lead a reasonable person to inquire whether the source of the funds solicited, accepted or received is a foreign national, but the person failed to conduct a reasonable inquiry.

    It doesn’t matter that the “Canadian” (we really have to build that northern wall, dammit) handed the money to the American standing next to her, and he in turn made the donation.

    They knew or were aware of fact that would lead a reasonable person to believe that the source of the funds was a foreign national.

    The Hillary! campaign. What a slow trainwreck. I’m enjoying, personally.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  61. ever notice that the Left always blames “selective editing” when they get caught breaking the law, but never complains about it when the MFM goes after their foes in the same way?

    redc1c4 (a6e73d)

  62. if the USA was still a nation of laws, Grandmonster Shrillery would already have been arrested and would be currently awaiting trial…

    unfortunately, we’re not that kind of country anymore.

    redc1c4 (a6e73d)

  63. moar evidence that the Grandmonster is either stupid or senile

    or both, maybe?

    redc1c4 (a6e73d)

  64. You know red, what America needs in a 21st century President is a “typical grandma” who doesn’t know if she has WiFi, doesn’t know how things work digitally, hasn’t driven a car in 20 years, claims to be a passive, unwitting recipient of information, and can no longer dress or cook for herself.

    Personally I think a woman who fits that description belongs in a nursing home not the WH, but Democrats think she’s cutting edge.

    And maybe compared to the septuagenarians who are likely to pose her toughest competition, the ancient socialist Sanders and the senile great white dope Biden, she is.

    I just look forward to them calling the GOP the party of old white men.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  65. Despite her blatantly dishonest protestations, Hillary! Clinton IS a crook.

    Colonel Haiku (779a2a)

  66. She’s a filthy, disgusting, lying grifter. Just as she has always been. Who is surprised? Why would anyone be surprised? Liar, liar, orange pants suit on fire! However, she did not act in a vacuum. She and her actions just like those of the rest of the criminal organization commonly known as the Obummer administration are all due to the C in C. (Criminal in Charge) He picked these commie liars and thieves and traitors. We can name them from Rahm to van Johnson to Hillary? and Jarret. They are all anti Americans running America.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  67. I disagree with John Hinderaker on a few points. He doesn’t see anything “explosive” in the latest batch of email releases. I think it’s pretty explosive to find 125 to 150 classified emails in this group. Emails that were clearly classified at the time (not even the herd of reporters who cover the State Dept. beat are buying the DoS line of BS that these emails weren’t classified then but are now). And that these emails show that Hillary! wasn’t the passive, unwitting recipient, the victim, of people just sending her stuff. She solicited the intel; she was an active, witting participant and she not only received but transmitted the classified information to people who were not cleared to receive it.

    And Sharyl Attkisson notes that Hillary! clearly intended to violate FOIA by setting up this home brew server.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/new-hillary-clinton-emails-show-violation-of-freedom-of-information-law/

    The newly-released batch of Hillary Clinton emails provides further proof that Freedom of Information (FOI) law has been blatantly violated. The documents include material directly responsive to a FOI request I made back in 2012 after the Benghazi terrorist attacks on the U.S. compounds…

    We must never lose sight of the fact that the mishandling of classified isn’t the only issue with this home brew server. There are other potential legal violations; FOIA, FRA, and conflict of interest laws/corruption.

    I also think we do learn a great deal about how she operated as Secretary of State. Basically, she didn’t. Essentially she was just punching a clock, marking time before she could continue her “will to power” toward the WH, which is rightfully hers, her precious.

    But he makes an excellent point.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/hillary-clinton-the-ultimate-empty-pantsuit.php

    …One might think that this judgment is unfair. Maybe Hillary delivered her incisive analyses in person or on paper. Maybe she really is as able as her sycophants claim, but just didn’t show it in emails. That’s possible.

    But then we encounter this email from Hillary to Richard Verma, who at that time was Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs.

    …So here is the point: Hillary needed to call Harry Reid to talk about Israel and Iran. So what did she do? She asked an assistant secretary to “provide suggested points for Iran and Israel.” Astonishingly, America’s Secretary of State was not comfortable talking privately with a friendly senator about some of the most prominent foreign policy issues of the time, without being given talking points by an aide!

    Maybe the brilliant, omnicompetent Hillary Clinton of myth never existed. Maybe she is nothing but an empty pantsuit who rode her husband’s coattails to an utterly unmerited position of power…

    He’s right. If she actually had a clue she should have been able to take that meeting with no preparation at all. But she needed a subordinate to tell her what she already should have known.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  68. she is terrible person

    happyfeet (96f504)

  69. Does Jesse Ferguson not know campaign finance laws? Can not be, he was the spokesman for the DCCC*. Must be he was told to make a stupid,stupid statement or walk the plank.

    *Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

    seeRpea (181740)

  70. “her precious ….” indeed! This corrosive campaign for the WH has consumed her soul. Can you imagine lying to the parents of patriots while standing by their coffins in order to enlist them in her campaign to deflect criticism of the administration? Looking deeply into her eyes, there is nothing there.

    bobathome (279337)

  71. I like how Jonah Goldberg puts it.

    It’s now becoming a parlor game. Every time Hillary Clinton says something about her secret server, the shot-clock starts on when she’ll be exposed for another lie…

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423384/i-guess-it-depends-what-you-mean-unsolicited-jonah-goldberg

    Also over at NRO Shannen Coffin covers another email exchange. And with this, Hillary! is out of Schlitz.

    Tony Blair knew about Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail account before the American people did — and his off-the-grid e-mail exchanges with Clinton are another sledgehammer to the already crumbling edifice of excuses offered in defense of her homebrew server. Among the thousands of Clinton e-mails released by the State Department last night were direct exchanges with foreign dignitaries such as former prime minister (and then special envoy for the Middle East Quartet) Blair and internal exchanges between State Department officials about those conversations. The conversations cover a wide range of world hot spots, including the Middle East, Afghanistan and Iran, Sudan, and Haiti. Many of them — nearly 200 in total to date — have now been classified by the State Department as “foreign government information” and redacted or withheld from release. The very nature of the communications in those e-mails established that they contained classified information from their inception. Mrs. Clinton’s defense that she did not know of the existence of such information on her server at the time is laughable…

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423371/hillary-clinton-emails-tony-blair-classified-information

    Scenes from Hillary!’s campaign headquarters:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

    Game Over Man, GAME OVER!

    I can hardly wait for the next email dump.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  72. “They mostly come at night.”

    The kid is Hillary!’s campaign manager, and she’s talking about FBI agents.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  73. Hillary! is out of Schlitz

    I get the gist (I think) but what does that mean?

    seeRpea (aa5346)

  74. When you’re out of Schlitz, you’re out of beer. And that’s a terrible place to be.

    I guess the best way to understand is that metaphorically when you’re out of Schlitz, you’re out of everything. You’ve especially run out of luck, and run out of options. And that’s a terrible place to be, too.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  75. oh. I knew/remember the one beer to have, but not out of beer. Was Schlitz on the East Coast?
    btw: Pabst was a favorite ad of mine, really digged that foam.

    seeRpea (aa5346)

  76. The beer that made Milwaukee famous. Pabst is its current avatar after a couple of mergers.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. Ok, this would explain it.

    nk (dbc370)

  78. I can’t believe this s***.

    Clinton aides pushed to view top-secret material on handhelds, emails show

    Newly released emails show top-level security officials at State expressing apparent concern about the requests.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-handheld-devices-classified-material-request-213254#ixzz3kcBgSC96

    Yeah, no wonder they expressed concern. It has to be the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard of.

    This woman can not become President.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)

  79. I believe I mentioned upthread that it’s important to remember that mishandling and compromising classified material may well not be the only criminal act Hillary! committed in relation to her home brew server.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/why-did-hillarys-staffer-plead-the-fifth.php

    …Shannen Coffin answers this question. He points out that it’s a federal crime to aid or abet another person’s commission of a crime. And 18 U.S.C. Section 2071(b) makes it a crime for the custodian of a federal record (which Clinton plainly was) to “willfully and unlawfully” conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate, falsify, or destroy the same.

    …But his plea is further indication that Hillary Clinton faces legal jeopardy, not just for sending and receiving information relating to the national defense, but also for maintaining government records on a private server in the first place. If there were “nothing to see here,” Pagliano wouldn’t be pleading the Fifth. He cannot have committed a crime in connection with the private server unless Hillary Clinton did.,,

    It is important, as they say, to read the whole thing. As well as Shannen Coffin’s article at the link.

    No doubt the FBI will provide the underlings with immunity in exchange for their testimony. This guy, like the peopl at Platte River Networks, probably had no clue what was on Hillary!’s server. So it’s only right they don’t get ensnared in Hillary!’s criminality.

    Steve57 (3b2e7d)


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