Gun Used In Pamela Geller Event Purchased Under Obama’s Fast And Furious Program
[guest post by Dana]
It is being reported that the gun used by a terrorist killed at Pamela Geller’s American Freedom Defense Initiative’s (AFDI) “Mohammed Art Exhibit and Contest” in Garland, Texas, was purchased under the Obama administration’s infamous Fast and Furious gun program:
Five years before he was shot to death in the failed terrorist attack in Garland, Texas, Nadir Soofi walked into a suburban Phoenix gun shop to buy a 9-millimeter pistol.
At the time, Lone Wolf Trading Co. was known among gun smugglers for selling illegal firearms. And with Soofi’s history of misdemeanor drug and assault charges, there was a chance his purchase might raise red flags in the federal screening process.
Inside the store, he fudged some facts on the form required of would-be gun buyers.
What Soofi could not have known was that Lone Wolf was at the center of a federal sting operation known as Fast and Furious, targeting Mexican drug lords and traffickers. The idea of the secret program was to allow Lone Wolf to sell illegal weapons to criminals and straw purchasers, and track the guns back to large smuggling networks and drug cartels.
Instead, federal agents lost track of the weapons and the operation became a fiasco, particularly after several of the missing guns were linked to shootings in Mexico and the 2010 killing of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in Arizona.
It seems that Soofi’s purchase may have slipped through the cracks:
Soofi’s attempt to buy a gun caught the attention of authorities, who slapped a seven-day hold on the transaction, according to his Feb. 24, 2010, firearms transaction record, which was reviewed by the Los Angeles Times. Then, for reasons that remain unclear, the hold was lifted after 24 hours, and Soofi got the 9-millimeter.
In spite of the Dept. of Justice sending an “urgent firearms disposition request” to Lone Wolf for more information about Soofi and the gun in order to “assist in a criminal investigation”, the FBI remains unmoved:
The FBI so far has refused to release any details, including serial numbers, about the weapons used in Garland by Soofi and Simpson. Senate investigators are now pressing law enforcement agencies for answers, raising the chilling possibility that a gun sold during the botched Fast and Furious operation ended up being used in a terrorist attack against Americans.
Not only did guns purchased in the Fast and Furious operation find their way into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels, but they also found their way into the hands of a radical Islamic terrorist inside the United States.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 8/1/2015 @ 4:44 pmSo, who’s chickens are coming home to roost now?
ropelight (e6eb9d) — 8/1/2015 @ 4:49 pmPretend I have a (D) after my name.
steveg (fed1c9) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:04 pmThis matters how? #1 Six degrees of separation and then #2 the hey its only Pam Geller who might have been shot excuse
And the corruption and flagrant disregard for America, the law and our citizenry goes on unabated. But God forbid somebody shoots a freekin’ cat.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:09 pmI keep on feeling shocked. Every day is a new horror…and I wonder if the American people are hearing any of this.
Patricia (5fc097) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:20 pmI could use a few of those fast and furious guns to shoot down drones.
mg (31009b) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:23 pmthis somehow pales next to failmerica handing Iran 150 billion jew-killing dollars
happyfeet (831175) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:25 pm150 billion jew-killing dollars
mg (31009b) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:29 pmI know I shouldn’t
but I’m laughing
happyfeet, every time you post lately it’s a stone downer.
ropelight (e6eb9d) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:33 pmWhat? They got the gun back didn’t they?
Geeze, you guys.
mojo (a3d457) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:41 pmmojo (a3d457) — 8/1/2015 @ 5:41 pm
That man is a true optimist.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/1/2015 @ 6:26 pmI am shocked! Not that this came out, but that the LA Times is reporting it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 8/1/2015 @ 7:09 pmTreason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors….
Edoc118 (ffe670) — 8/1/2015 @ 7:51 pmRemember that this Fast and Furious operation had less to do with tracking guns into Mexico than providing justification for Obama’s attempt to dismantle the Second Amendment. Lone Wolf Traders didn’t have much choice in cooperating with the Injustice Department regarding those “Straw Man” purchases because the BATFE not only decides who gets an FFL but who gets to keep it.
“Nice little shop you got here. It’d be a shame if something happened that forced us to close it down.”
PPs43 (6fdef4) — 8/1/2015 @ 8:16 pmSo….Soofi may or may not have used a gun bought at Lobe Wolf. That gun may or may not have been distributed though F&F.
In the overall scheme that matters very little, unless you take the position that he would have not been able to get a gun in the intervening four years except through this means. And that he was already planning a piece of terrotism in 2010, as opposed to buying the gun for protection and then repurposing it to terrorism this spring. Both unlikely but not impossible.
The one thing that can not be disputed is that it shows once more that background checks and other prior restraints on gun ownership do not really work.
kishnevi (93670d) — 8/1/2015 @ 10:09 pmSo, the Obama administration armed one Muslim terrorist.
If, if, this report proves to be true, the Obama administration intends to prosecute a Navy officer for shooting at another Muslim terrorist who was killing sailors and marines on his installation.
http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/whats-happening-to-this-heroic-navy-officer-from-the-chattanooga-shooting-will-make-your-blood-boil/
Fitting. Obama is doing his damndest to arm Iran, and disarm the US.
Again, I’ll wait for more confirmation. But this is exactly what I expect from this treasonous President.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/2/2015 @ 12:12 amIt’s time to put Obama on the no-fly list and name his Administration as a terrorist organization.
ropelight (c40224) — 8/2/2015 @ 5:56 amsheikh eric holder
Colonel Haiku (3bf827) — 8/2/2015 @ 7:52 amused to defend terrorists
before he armed them
“You can keep your guns… if you fit the right profile.”
– Barack Abu-Obama
Colonel Haiku (3bf827) — 8/2/2015 @ 7:54 amBut that’s ok, because… #gunsense…
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d) — 8/2/2015 @ 8:00 amKeeping embarrassing (to the government) quiet–Nothing to see here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/16-media-groups-fight-gag-order-waco-biker-32674718
No information released at all…
BfC (8661e2) — 8/2/2015 @ 8:24 amWhy is this not surprising.
Corruption is thy middle name Obola.
Rodney King's Spirit (9225a4) — 8/2/2015 @ 9:00 amThe timeline here is interesting. Soofi, Soofi’s younger brother, and Simpson were roommates in Phoenix when Soofi and Simpson attacked the Geller event in Garland, Texas. I don’t know how long they had lived together but it appears they had both lived in Phoenix for several years.
Simpson was arrested in January 2010 for lying in connection with alleged terrorist connections. He was convicted of lying to the FBI but the Judge ruled the prosecution did not prove Simpson had terrorist connections. Meanwhile, Soofi bought the gun one month later in February 2010, also in Phoenix.
Were they already roommates and was this why the government initially put a hold on Soofi’s gun purchase? Or did Soofi’s reported criminal record trigger the review? Maybe both, but either way, why was this purchase approved without any effort to follow up or trail the gun?
DRJ (1dff03) — 8/2/2015 @ 9:50 amDRJ, you are presuming that the administration wanted to prevent criminals from getting guns. My reading of Fast and Furious was that the whole thing was designed to create mayhem with the expectation that in the following crisis, great opportunity would arise. And what could be more useful to an administration that saw “work place violence” at Fort Hood, than to arm another jihadi. It’s right out of their play book.
The curious thing is that so few have come forward to shed light on this fiasco. There must be a few honest men still drawing a pay check from this government.
bobathome (f50725) — 8/2/2015 @ 10:05 amI assume the government wanted to promote cross-border and/or Cartel violence, not Islamic violence. Even the Obama Administration would realize how bad that looks after 9/11.
DRJ (1dff03) — 8/2/2015 @ 10:40 amThere must be a few honest men still drawing a pay check from this government.
Sure, there must be a few honest men on Uncle Sugar’s payroll, statistically speaking, but most of them are career men and many are family men as well. It sure would be a shame if some discontented racist harboring a grudge let his stupid blabbermouth put a shadow over the future well being of his wife and children.
ropelight (c40224) — 8/2/2015 @ 10:56 amDRJ, the administration does not see “Islamic violence”, it’s all workplace violence, or lack of economic opportunity, or inexplicable madness. And in 2010, the media was carrying the administration’s water, just as they are today. The difference now is that the truth of the “workplace violence” straw man has been discredited beyond repair by events that the lapdog media cannot hide. Pretty much everyone knows that we are all targets of jihadi violence. But we think the odds are good that our neighbor will be the next victim, not us. An Iranian A Bomb will change this calculation.
As I see it, some mid-level civil servant got the application from the gun shop and flagged it as needing further study. This was sent up the line until it reached a political appointee who noticed that the shop was part of Fast and Furious, and he saw opportunity where others would have followed the law. Before Obola, this chain of decisions would have been recorded and Congress would have been able to identify the actors. Now it’s all just a big mystery.
Obola is doing more to dispell the notion that the government is the solution to all our problems than all the right wing think tanks and authors combined. And this lesson is likely to persist beyond his term of office.
bobathome (f50725) — 8/2/2015 @ 11:54 amBefore F&F was exposed, the ATF had a couple of news events where they paraded a dozen ‘assault weapons’ the Mexican govt had collected after a mass shooting in Mexico. This was presented as ‘evidence’ the US was supplying guns to the rest of the world and that had to stop. Included in the ‘stop’ order was a section to repeal the Second Amendment…..And F&F started under BUSH 43! 44 and Holder just expanded what they found.
dee (110bec) — 8/2/2015 @ 12:36 pmNo, dee, even Holder had to admit when he was under oath that Wide Receiver, the Bush era program, was not the same as F&F. There were too many significant differences to equate the two as remotely alike.
You can watch CSpan video of Sen. Cornyn (R-TX) nail Holder to the wall and Holder saying “I’m not trying to equate the two” when confronted with the factual differences between them.
http://www.examiner.com/article/under-oath-holder-discredits-bush-did-it-too-excuse-for-gunwalker
Eric Holder, administration spokesweasel, cornered rat, forced to admit truth. Bush “didn’t do it, too.”
But then the Obama administration went back to lying when not under oath so trolls like you can come along and repeat those lies that were exposed as lies years ago.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/2/2015 @ 1:05 pmYeoman’s work S-57, well done.
ropelight (c40224) — 8/2/2015 @ 2:23 pmThe thing is, The BATF has been a potent source of political embarrassment ever since Nixon (drat him) presided over its creation. It doesn’t seem to matter whether the occupant of the White House is a Cornfed Hick Democrat, a battling Conservative Republican, and establishment stooge, an outsider, an insider, or covered with purple polka-dots. The BTAF turns everything it touches into merde.
Did Obama sign off on this travesty? Maybe. Probably. Did they tell him it ha fall been in place for months and if he didn’t give the go-ahead it would be called out in Congress as a sign of weakness on the War On Drugs? Again, probably. Or, knowing the BATF, they may have faked a signature or two and gone ahead, and jug-ears stonewalled because that’s what he does.
The problem isn’t Obama. He may have added a curlycue or so, but this simply stinks of BATF SOP. Come up with a sexy name, bully a bunch of civilians, throw your weight around, and when somebody finally gets around to asking what the F*CK you thought you were doing in the first place, you don’t have an answer. These clowns couldn’t lead a pack of hungry vampires to a blood-bank.
The question isn’t “What nefarious plan of Obama’s were these Federal Keystone Kops carrying out.” The question is, when are we going to get a President, Democrat OR Republican, with the native wit to realize that if he puts the whole agency on paid leave pending disbandment, by executive order on his first day in office, then he has one less potential scandal to deal with for the rest of his term.
C. S. P. Schofield (ab2cdc) — 8/2/2015 @ 2:43 pmI was told that they invented the ATF in order to make the FBI appear competent.
Gazzer (f205c8) — 8/2/2015 @ 3:22 pmbobathome,
You may be right but I don’t see Fast and Furious as a bottom-up or even a middle-management program. I see it as a top-down program by the Obama Administration that it took extraordinary efforts to hide.
In addition, Obama knows Muslim terrorism is real. When he was Senator Obama, he had no problem identifying it as Islamic extremism when he was running for President. It’s only as President that he has tried to downplay Muslim extremism, and I think that’s because he desperately wants to cling to his claim there haven’t been any terror attacks on his watch — not because he thinks it doesn’t exist. I think that’s also why he and Holder would be more careful selling guns to Muslims than to Mexicans.
DRJ (1dff03) — 8/2/2015 @ 3:51 pmObama sells guns to Mexicans, he gives them to Muslims along with free shipping and handling.
ropelight (c40224) — 8/2/2015 @ 4:10 pmTrue, ropelight. He doesn’t seem to mind arming Iran’s terorists.
DRJ (1dff03) — 8/2/2015 @ 4:15 pmline the squirrels at the gate
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/02/alert-the-mob-2nd-american-doctor-dr-jan-casimir-seski-accused-of-illegally-killing-a-lion-in-zimbabwe/
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/2/2015 @ 4:16 pmPlus about 3/4 billion worth of trucks and equipment that the Iraquis left intact for ISIS, as they fled.
Gazzer (f205c8) — 8/2/2015 @ 4:17 pmWhen I think of all the members of the media throughout the US who are philosophically and politically furthering the US becoming more and more like a version of its neighbor to the south, they should live the reality of what they’re sowing by relocating to the middle of what very well could be a glimpse into our future.
Mark (f32097) — 8/2/2015 @ 5:15 pmAnd even if this were true, don’t you think any reasonable President and/or Attorney General would have reviewed the program and found it wanting? Dee, this is like blaming a mass murder on someone else who who was dumping trash in the recycle bin.
Bill H (2a858c) — 8/2/2015 @ 6:12 pmit’s interesting how crime tv, has seen Fast and Furious, only the departed CSI Miami did an episode around the time it came out, shows like SOA and the Dallas revamp, blamed the CIA, NCIS saw it as an embarassment, at no time is the administration’s complicity ever suggested,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/2/2015 @ 6:19 pmI was reading gun forums about F&F and how 43 had a similar program. I wasn’t aware of Holder having his feet held to the fire, and having to tell the truth. I cut the cord 4 years ago, so I don’t have access to C-Span and the other cable news. But from what I had seen, F&F was being reported as a continuation of previous programs; I’m glad that wasn’t the case. Not a troll, just slightly uninformed….it happens.
dee (4f5cda) — 8/2/2015 @ 7:10 pmGood show, dee.
ropelight (c40224) — 8/2/2015 @ 7:26 pmdee, I’m sorry I jumped to that conclusion.
It’s just frustrating to watch Obama and his organized crime family lie to everyone, then when forced by circumstances (trying to convince Chief Justice Roberts to save Obamacare, trying to avoid perjury in Holder’s case) admit that the truth is the opposite of what they’ve been saying, and then just as soon as they’re out of danger reverting to the old lie as if nothing had happened.
And the media goes along with whatever Obama’s story is at the moment.
So if you cut the cord you’d never know that the “Bush did it, too” meme was a lie all along.
I hope you’ll continue to contribute to the forum.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/2/2015 @ 8:29 pmI thought they created the ATF to help inventory my grandpa’s garage
steveg (fed1c9) — 8/2/2015 @ 8:47 pmThe ATF is the original revenue service, going back to 1789. They were the “revenooers” moon-shiners hid from. Its most famous “agent” was George Washington who, as President, put on his general’s uniform and led his army in the field to collect the Whiskey Tax.
Well … kinda like that, anyway.
nk (dbc370) — 8/2/2015 @ 9:33 pmsomething like that, they were part of treasury, then the prohibition bureau, and split off in the 50s,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/2/2015 @ 9:43 pmand consolidated after the 68 Omnibus Crime Bill,
I don’t think you were seen as a troll. More like someone with simply an uninformed POV. For my part, I’m just gonna dial it back a bit. You understand that websites like this see so many lefties that have a firm view and want to push it no matter the proof to contrary. The plus is you’re now a known name and we know we can converse with you.
Bill H (2a858c) — 8/3/2015 @ 12:28 amBTW, Dee, do you remember what gun forums were misleading you like that?
Bill H (2a858c) — 8/3/2015 @ 12:34 amActually, Bill, I did call him a troll. It was my mistake.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/3/2015 @ 12:53 amBill H, I read a lot of forums and blogs. I can’t really put my finger on one that was reporting/commenting about F&F and similar 4 or 5 years ago. It was just the impression I got at the time; it’s really hard trying to keep up with everything going on. Especially if you have to dig it up yourself. I record ABC,CBS,and NBC nightly news, being able to skip the commercials means I can view all 3 in an hour. It’s fascinating to see how each of them reports the same story, explains a lot of the confusion out here. It’s even more enlightening to see what all 3 skip covering…
dee (1fcf56) — 8/3/2015 @ 11:08 amUnivision, did a review of Fast and Furious weapons recovered through their Ministry of Defense, which went down the memory hole,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/3/2015 @ 11:11 amdee, you might consider checking out Megyn Kelly, The Kelly File on FOX NEWS for current events. She’ll provide an interesting counterbalance along with some light entertainment to your usual faux news diet. She’s smart, tough, and doesn’t take any crap.
ropelight (4c7a33) — 8/3/2015 @ 11:43 amEh- you’ve apologized, everyone else backed up a little, and Dee has been given a little knowledge. It all worked out.
Same thing here. I have just a few websites that I actually follow (here, Ace Of Spades, Overlawyered, occasionally Hot Air and Breibart). There’s so much you have to narrow it down or else you wind up in overload. I was just curious if you remembered who said what. I don’t even bother with the AlphaBits networks anymore.
Bill H (2a858c) — 8/3/2015 @ 12:33 pmOr providing Muslim terrorists with free legal services when they use those arms, and Americans sue them for damages.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/03/white-house-mulling-intervention-in-massive-judgment-against-palestinians-in/?intcmp=hpbt2
And it isn’t the first time this administration has sided with terrorists against its own citizens.
So it appears this administration has already recognized the West Bank and Gazan cabal of terror groups as a legitimate state.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/3/2015 @ 9:56 pmTurns out not to be true.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/3/2015 @ 11:39 pmNo, Milhouse, you are jumping the gun. The Navy is seriously considering doing exactly that.
The Navy is claiming that since no one has yet been charged the internet reports aren’t true.
But no one has ever claimed that anyone has already been charged.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/03/video-navy-wont-rule-out-charges-against-chattanooga-defender/
The fact the Navy is attacking a straw man is telling. Those aren’t the stories. The stories remain true. They are seriously considering it. I read the charge against the straw men as revealing intent. If the autopsy reveals LCDR White didn’t hit Abdulazzeez, they intend to charge him.
The justification being, “See, your personal weapons don’t make you safer because in this one incident the OIC didn’t hit the target.” (OK, they won’t put it quite like that) “So listen to your betters and obey our gun-free-zone orders!”
If they didn’t intend to charge him should the moon and the sun and the stars line up right, they’d have dropped the idea already. In fact, the Secretary of the Navy Mabus would have quashed it.
If you buy into the regime straw man then, yes, that rumor that isn’t circulating also isn’t true.
The answer? Don’t buy into the regime straw man argument, Milhouse.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:09 amBut you tell me, Milhouse.
What do you imagine isn’t true?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:11 amYou do understand the difference between my take, which is in the future tense, “intends to.”
And the Navy’s attempt to refute what people like me are saying, which is in the past tense, “no service member has been charged?”
You do understand there is a difference between what people are saying, and what the Navy is arguing against? That is the Navy has definitively refuted what people like me are not saying anyway.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:15 amWell of course they have to consider whether to charge him. He broke the rule, after all. But there’s no reason to suppose that the “consideration” will consist of more than an automatic “of course not”.
How would Jim Webb, or any other “high-profile former military officer” know anything about the state of this case, what is being considered, or how seriously? All they can comment on is how these things usually work, or rather how they usually worked in their day. Which means their knowledge long predates 0bama, and does not reflect anything he has done.
The story Allen West circulated claimed that “the United States Navy is bringing charges”. That claim is false.
Why would he do that? I’m sure the reports and recommendations haven’t reached his desk yet, and he’d naturally not want to say anything that would interfere with the process before that.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:23 amThe whole story is not true. West’s claim that the navy “is bringing charges” was outright false. Your claim that they intend to bring charges has no basis in fact; it is nothing but your own paranoid imagining. Bringing such a charge would expose the officers who recommended it to ridicule, especially among the people they have to live with.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:27 amBy “paranoid imagining” I take you mean “experience.” It’s always good to learn from someone who has more experience with the Navy than I have, though. How many years were you in again, Milhouse.
That’s never stopped them before.
But then, I defer to your expertise.
Do you have any sea stories you want to tell?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:37 amAn old salt like you should have lots of personal contacts who are still in.
That’s “how things usually work.”
So come on, you old sea dog, what are your contacts telling you?
You did know that’s how things usually work, right? It’s why I know more than just how things used to work when I was in.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:42 amI guess you’ve answered my question @59, Milhouse.
You don’t know the difference between past, present and future tense.
If you did know the difference, then you’d know that “AT THIS TIME we can confirm no service member HAS BEEN charged with an offense” does not render what people are actually saying about what the Navy IS DOING or INTENDS TO DO patently false.
I suggest remedial English courses, counselor.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 12:52 amhttp://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrma/news/media.html
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Somebody didn’t take the lessons learned seriously, it seems.
The link to the JAGMAN proves particularly useful in that regard.
So does the link to this. Attention to citation.
LCDR White showed bad form for being unwilling to accept similar posthumous awards.
Under very similar circumstances. Which somebody should have corrected. Somebody other than LCDR White.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 1:05 amScuttlebutt. Meaning rumor or gossip. Derived from the water cask (butt) which was scuttled (knocked open) that sailors drank water out of. Equivalent to office water cooler.
nk (dbc370) — 8/4/2015 @ 5:49 amThere is no difference between “is charging” and “has charged”. Charging someone takes an instant, but the person remains charged until he is either convicted or acquitted. Thus “has been charged” means the same as “is charged”: a charge is now active. Once it’s been resolved, the correct term becomes not “has been charged” but “was charged”, or “faced charges”.
Webb retired in 1972; how many personal contacts could he have who are still in?
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 7:57 amseeing how the dodged like Bre’r rabbit to refuse to acknowledge ft hood, it seems a reasonable conjecture,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/4/2015 @ 7:58 amWillful ignorance on your part, perhaps? Just playing coy, you old sea dog?
Do you really want to pretend that Webb could only have contacts inside the sea services from dating from his own time in uniform? None from his time in other positions such as Secretary of the Navy and his time on the Senate Armed Services committee.
He’s a ring knocker; do you doubt he’s a member of the Naval Academy Alumni Association?
I’m sure I don’t have to tell a guy with all your sea time this, Milhouse, but that Alumni Association isn’t limited to retirees. It includes alumni who are still in.
Then there’s this.
http://www.military.com/spouse/military-life/military-resources/military-and-veteran-associations.html
I bet Webb belongs to a couple. Hey, I belong to one, and could belong to more.
Come on, shipmate. You know better than that.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:12 amSometimes Milhouse, you must realize you’re not the smartest guy in the room. In this case you need to admit the Squid knows what he’s talkin’ bout and move on. At this point it appears you’re flogging a dead horse into oblivion.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:17 amOr would that be a Seahorse into oblivion?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:18 amOh, yeah, and his son is/was until recently also a Marine.
Yeah, right. James Webb couldn’t have any contacts in the service because he retired in 1972.
My dad retired from the USCG and he was still a member of the USCG Chief’s Association and a couple of other fraternal organizations when he passed in 2014. He was a plank owner and secretary/treasurer of the local chapter of the Chief Petty Officer’s Association in 1964 and he was secretary of this chapter of an active duty Chief Petty Offer’s Association off and on until 2004.
Hell, they know me. I can call and email some of those USCG chiefs if I want the inside information just on the basis of me being my father’s son and because they know I served, too.
Quite playing coy, old Salt. Anybody with all those years on their sea time counter would know this sort of thing.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:20 amForgot the year. My dad retired in 1967.
By the way, forgot to add, and I’m sure Commodore Milhouse is aware of this, but military retirees get an ID card and still have base privileges. So if I want to go and hang out at the Officer’s Club I can. My dad could have hung out at the Chief’s Club, and probably did on occasion, although not less frequently during his last 10 years or so. But when I dropped by the club to let them know he had died and to find out who to talk to to arrange an honor guard and maybe a fly-by I was writing down my contact info on the back of a newsletter stacked on a table, and I looked up and there was a picture of my dad 50 years ago along with the others who established the club. I pointed him out of the line up and said, “Yeah, that’s my dad.”
The current chapter President had unbeknownst to me walked up behind me and when he said that he blurted out his name. “What? That so-and-so is dead?”
Yes, it’s virtually impossible James Webb could have any contacts still in the service because he took the uniform off in 1972.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:30 amNone of that gives him special knowledge about the intentions of those investigating the incident.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:31 amhe also had a stint as Secretary of the Navy,
narciso (ee1f88) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:35 amWhich still doesn’t give him any special knowledge about what is actually happening in this case.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:35 amOf course, Commodore Mlhouse. No former Secretary of the Navy and former Senator who was on the Armed Services Committee as recently as 2011 could possibly have any contacts inside the Navy close to the investigation.
Why, such imaginings! It is an impossibility!
If former Senator Webb were to call even Ray Mabus personally, Ray Mabus would say, “James Webb who?”
At least, that’s what Commodore Milhouse would tell you.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:41 amYou really don’t get it, Milhouse. You’re sounding excessive, unreasonable and obsessive. Is this really the hill you want to die on? Steve57, a Squid of many years experience and many contacts believes the facts he laid for us does indeed ” give him (Webb) any special knowledge about what is actually happening in this case.”. You suppose it does not. You have no way of knowing, Steve57 does.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:43 amWouldn’t it be unethical, and even illegal, for anyone involved in the investigation to tell Webb of their plans?
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 8/4/2015 @ 10:53 amYou mean like it was unethical and possibly illegal for someone to leak the Mishap report that placed the blame for LT Kara Hultgren’s own death on pilot error when the Navy cooked the books and issued a false JAGMAN investigation? Boorda essentially had a simulation faked so he could falsely blame the engine and save his diversity program.
Whoever leaked that Mishap report did it to save the career of her flight instructor, who tried to down her when she was training at the Fleet Replacement Squadron for the exact same mistakes that later got her killed.
He wasn’t on board with the “put a woman in a fighter at all costs” concept.
Yes, it was highly unethical to leak the report but it was even more unethical to try and fry a good officer.
Come on, Commodore, you don’t know how the JOPA works?
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 11:11 amhttp://www.aim.org/publications/aim_report/1998/notes/04bn.pdf
Actually he leaked the information to save lives. The Navy was h3ll bent on putting these women in the cockpit regardless of the costs, and Burns was aware of how high those costs could be. None of the lives lost would be Inside-the-Beltway O-7s and higher.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/839386/posts
The Navy tried to destroy Burns for its failures (see the JAGMAN investigation into the shooting death of PO2 Mayo aboard the USS Mahan for what I’m hinting at). So the JOPA swung into action.
Steve57 (5a07a9) — 8/4/2015 @ 11:30 am