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2/7/2013

(Alleged) Cop Killer Dorner: Man, I Love Obama. And His Wife’s Bangs Are Awesome

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:51 pm

Chris Dorner, ex-cop on the rampage, loves him some Obama:

You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama.

“I love your new bangs.” You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

And he loves him some gun control:

Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”

Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family.

If the consequences weren’t so tragic, one could almost find laughable the way in which this guy takes hackish lefty arguments to an extreme. I’m hopping mad about mass killings not being reined in by gun control. So I’ll show you! I’ll commit mass killings with guns to prove my point about how people like me should not have guns!

Dorner loves Piers Morgan, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and killing people. He has three bodies under his belt and declares in his Obama-loving manifesto that he’s going for more.

Will the L.A. Times and other outlets blame his violence on left-wing ideology, as they blamed Jared Loughner’s on right-wing ideology?

Or will they simply ignore it?

Or, as Sooper Mexican notes many outlets have done, edit it out of existence?

This guy has single-handedly paralyzed law enforcement in Los Angeles. LAPD is on tactical alert and normal duties are going by the wayside as officers are guarding police stations and potential victims, and joining the manhunt.

We’ll be keeping a close watch on the L.A. Times for articles proclaiming that Dorner’s ideology is hard left. So far I can’t find a hint of it on their web site. But I’ll keep looking.

231 Comments

  1. Did he like the Communist Manifesto? That’s usually an indication of right-wing beliefs, or so the SPLC told me, I thought.

    Comment by Patterico (9c670f) — 2/7/2013 @ 6:52 pm

  2. He likes Obama.
    That means he has a paid subscription to The Weekly Standard, and that he must have voted for that rich guy, Mitt Romney.

    Right winger !

    Comment by Elephant Stone (35bf8a) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:08 pm

  3. Quite frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t accused him of being a right wing Tea Partier yet.

    Comment by wherestherum (bab56b) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:13 pm

  4. He’s wrong about McCain. I just posted my thoughts which include an explanation of that issue– those born in Panama are specifically named as regular citizens in federal law.

    Prayers to the victims… this is horrific.

    Comment by wildninja (a730a0) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:19 pm

  5. You just know that Loomis character will take that tact,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:22 pm

  6. Well Pat, the LA Slimes is no doubt trying to protect the cop killer from unsubstantiated allegations.

    Erik Wemple at the WaPo tells me that’s one of the primary responsibilities of the MFM:

    He writes amusingly about Senator Menendez:

    Isn’t it one of the fundamental duties of the establishment media to protect people—even a public figure who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations committee—from unsubstantiated allegations?

    Yes, I’m sure we all noticed how careful ABC’s Brian Ross was about not accusing the wrong James Holmes from unsubstantiated allegations that he was the Aurora Colorado shooter because he belonged to the TEA Party.

    And of course they’d never report unsubstantiated rumors that John McCain was having an extra-marital affair. Especially not right before an election when those unsubstantiated rumors might have hurt his candidacy.

    And of course they’d never repeat the unsubstantiated rumors coming from Dingy Harry Reid that Mitt Romney wasn’t paying his taxes.

    Yup. Those armies of fact checkers that separates the MFM from the blogosphere would never let a reporter slip those unsubstantiated rumors by them.

    Clearly, the media is exercising its usual abundance of caution by refusing to draw a link between this cop killer and their friends and opinion-makers on the left.

    That would be irresponsible.

    Besides, everyone knows it’s Sarah Palin who has blood on her hands.

    Comment by Steve57 (bc3ba2) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:23 pm

  7. No slur need be denied, if one is on the right;

    http://patterico.com/2011/09/19/the-increasing-thuggery-of-the-fringe-left/comment-page-4/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2013 @ 7:33 pm

  8. Gawker was tweeting about how much this guy loved Pres HW Bush. Really.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/7/2013 @ 8:16 pm

  9. That ‘wretched den of scum and villainy’ say it ain’t so.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/7/2013 @ 8:26 pm

  10. You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.

    In more ways than one. So much so, that even I’m stunned about — and would never have predicted — the political orientation of the killer in this ongoing news story. In fact, as I was going through the thread on Floyd Lee Corkins, I did wonder for a brief moment whether one can exaggerate, or overly stereotype, the corrupting, contradictory nature of liberal sentiment in humans. But then I have to mutter “probably not,” particularly when seeing things similar to this:

    The below shooting were carried out by the following:

    Ft. Hood…..Registered Democrat/Muslim
    Columbine….Too young to vote…..Both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
    Virginia Tech…..Wrote Hate Mail to President Bush and his Staff…..Registered Democrat.
    Colorado Aurora Theater…..Registered Democrat…..Staff worker on Obama Campaign…..Occupy Wall Street Participant…..Progressive Liberal
    Sandy Hook Elementary shooter…..Registered Democrat….Hated Christians

    Comment by Michael M. Keohane (d4a22f) — 2/7/2013 @ 4:02 am

    I don’t know if all the details of Michael Keohane’s post are accurate (eg, the one about the Sandy Hook killer), but I’ve been aware for awhile of the general political biases of many recent notorious killers.

    Another poster in the thread on Corkin mentioned Boyd Lee Malvo, one of the two killers who prowled the streets of DC in their van back in 2002, shooting people randomly from their vehicle. BTW, they were both black, so dollar to donuts (whatever that means), they probably also had sentiments similar to those of leftwing Chris Dorner.

    In another thread, I also evoked the name of the most infamous assassin in modern US history, Lee Harvey Oswald (a Communist sympathizer), and just a few minutes ago I raised the issue of the way that modern-day liberalism — within the US military, no less! — incubated Nidal Hasan and the Fort Hood massacre.

    We live in an age of insanity, and much of it has origins in liberalism gone berserk.

    Comment by Mark (6d735c) — 2/7/2013 @ 8:48 pm

  11. I do believe Piers is going to have an impossible time maintaining his position with any credibility after this.

    Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/7/2013 @ 8:55 pm

  12. those bangs are hideous

    don’t shoot me

    Comment by happyfeet (ce327d) — 2/7/2013 @ 8:58 pm

  13. Mark- yeah, I think you’re pretty safe in going with the left leaning insanity attribution on this one. Dorner was definitely “of the left.”

    Comment by elissa (adf165) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:00 pm

  14. Btw, great job not falling into the “crazy,” “incoherent,” “rambling” nonsense I’m reading almost everywhere else. His manifesto is incredibly coherent. It’s long but not crazy or rambling. He spells out exactly what he’s thinking and shows himself to be a reasoned man of the left. His outlook, reasoning, and circumstances have led him to take this horrendous course of action.

    Now why would anyone want to tiptoe around that reality? Hmm…

    Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:12 pm

  15. #4,

    John S. McCain III is actually an American citizen by virtue of his parents being American citizens.

    I never could understand how left wing creeps such as Chris Matthews could go on television and infer that McCain may not be a legitimate American citizen since he was born in the Panama Zone (then under US jurisdiction) where his father happened to be stationed as a naval officer.

    The premise that children born to active military who are stationed at American bases overseas are of somehow questionable citizen status is just plain laughable.
    Then again, that old fat blowhard Chris Matthews is often drunk.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (c56b7a) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:17 pm

  16. This is interesting, but it takes the eyes off the prize. I’m as guilty as the next.

    Comment by Ag80 (b2c81f) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:33 pm

  17. I just checked the Huffington Post and a lot of commenters think the Evil LAPD drove Dorner to do it.

    Comment by DN (7fc565) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:41 pm

  18. You mean they’ve been calling Michelle a “Wookie” and I didn’t know about it? Man, that’s hilarious.

    Comment by Dirty Old Man (0e3dac) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:52 pm

  19. Still nothing in the Slimes. Nothing in the OC Register.

    Politics? Non-issue. Our Truth Gatekeepers tell us it’s all from the racism and the military training.

    Surreal.

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 2/7/2013 @ 9:58 pm

  20. Another aspect of this event is the police response to the threat posed by Dorner. The LA Times has an article about two women who had the misfortune of attempting to deliver newspapers in the early morning in the neighborhood of one of Dorner’s named targets. They were both shot by some very inept LA police detectives who were presumably protecting a potential target. One of the women was shot in the hand, and one in the back who I presume is in very serious condition. The back of their truck is riddled with 26 bullet holes by my count, with some concentration in head-rest areas. Just looking at the photo would be enough to convince most that surely no one could have survived the attack. And some of the rounds just barely hit the edge of the top of the roof of the truck, suggesting that a least a few rounds were launched into nearby houses, with results yet to be determined. But this was not the only “shock and awe” misfire. Later that morning, at 5:45 am, another uninvolved motorist had his/her car shot up by another collection of police guardians; this time the shooters hailed from the Torrance Police Department. Fortunately this driver was not injured.

    My point is that this suggests that there is a large divide between the police and the citizens of greater LA. No doubt these policemen were frightened by the prospect of facing someone who had killed two policemen earlier that night. But to shoot to kill in this situation with no thought of killing innocents by mistake is more than troubling.

    Have things gotten to the point where we need accept the reality that we have little chance of surviving an encounter with one of these homocidal policemen should we have the misfortune of stumbling on them when they are frightened? Is it the case that more than a few of these members of the thin blue line think of fellow citizens as little more than sheep to be slaughtered whenever it is convenient? After all, we had two equally irrational shootings by two separate police departments in the course of a few hours. Or a third possibility, are we forcing our police to operate in such an environment that shooting first is the only reasonable long term survival strategy? In any event, we are in a hell of a situation. Particularly when the future will no doubt provide some state- and al quaeda sponsored terrorism that will really test our police. And then there is threat of local “assistance” by federal agencies in such circumstances.

    Perhaps we should consider some neighborhood militias as in Mexico. If my newspaper delivery person is gunned down by my neighbor, I’m sure that the shooter would be remorseful. I rather doubt that the police involved in these shootings are concerned about anything except their continued employment. And that concern wasn’t sufficient when it mattered.

    Comment by bobathome (c0c2b5) — 2/7/2013 @ 10:01 pm

  21. The two women drove up the driveway to the house, lights off, in a car that looked like the suspect’s. It was not exactly a wild gun spree.

    All I can think of is Monica Quan’s father. His daughter was executed by a guy who had a grudge on him b/c he couldn’t win his loser case. He must want to die himself. I can’t imagine it.

    Truth is, all bureaucracies are political, unfair and secretive to some degree. I did my time in one. You do the best you can to hack it or you get out. You do not murder a bunch of innocent people. This madman was created as much by the media glorifying such deeds as by the LAPD.

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 2/7/2013 @ 10:13 pm

  22. 12 – Mr.happyfeet, laughing makes me feel good. Thanks.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:01 pm

  23. Dorner was definitely “of the left.”

    Moreover, liberalism in the eyes of the typical “progressive” is the most beautiful, most hallow, most sacred, most noble, most wonderful of all things possible. IOW, race, ethnicity, gender, nationality and religion pale in importance next to that—at least to those liberals who are very honest about themselves.

    I say that because I’ve just seen a photo of the ex-cop cop killer and now realize he’s a black guy. It’s ironic to me because in my earlier post, where I mentioned the DC snipers, who were black, I didn’t know at the time that Dorner also is of the same race.

    It’s always a pleasant surprise — and refreshing — when a person who’s socially-politically conservative also happens to be black or, for that matter, female, Jewish, Latino, gay, French, lower- or modest-income, young, an urban dweller, a member of the media, from the entertainment industry, etc. But the opposite reaction hits me when the situation is reversed (eg, liberal blacks, liberal gays, liberal women, liberal Europeans, etc), including when a community is dealing with people like Dorner.

    Comment by Mark (6d735c) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:06 pm

  24. here’s the whole, unedited, screed.

    it’s interesting, in a certain light.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:07 pm

  25. I have a hunch Dorner will meekly surrender when the time comes.

    Comment by DN (7fc565) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:11 pm

  26. Quite frankly, I’m surprised they haven’t accused him of being a right wing Tea Partier yet.
    Comment by wherestherum

    there aren’t any black people in the TEA Party… didn’t you get the memo?|

    only bitter clingy white people: minorities need not apply. 8-)

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:12 pm

  27. Patricia, #21. The photo shows the truck on the street and not in a driveway, and the caption says that newspapers are lying nearby. So they must have backed out the driveway after they’d been attacked by the LAPD detectives if your version is accurate. But driving up a driveway with lights out doesn’t warrant opening fire without some provocation, and throwing a newspaper wouldn’t cut it in my book. And 26 bullet holes in the back of the truck seems like a pretty wild spree to me.

    I’m trying to put myself in the detectives’ shoes, and I just don’t see how the women posed an immediate threat. More likely, the detectives were so focused on getting Dorner, that they didn’t even consider the possibility that the truck might be there for legitimate reasons. It’s also likely that they took the sounds of their partners’ weapons as return fire by the victims.

    Absent such guards, delivering papers in the early morning with lights out is certainly a reasonable and considerate thing to do. But my real concern is that two police departments did almost the same thing and within hours of each other. These policemen must feel very alienated from their fellow citizens to behave in this way.

    Comment by bobathome (c0c2b5) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:13 pm

  28. Dammit, Patterico, can’t you read: that comment about Mrs. Obama’s bangs was “off the record.” Can’t you honor the man’s request and refrain from reporting it? What kind of journalist are you anyway?

    Comment by JVW (4826a9) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:34 pm

  29. if you are delivering newspapers to homes @ 0dark30, and you have to pull into the driveway to get the paper on the porch, the courteous thing to do is have the headlights off…

    the cops were obviously not paying attention and were likely scared out of their wits even before the truck showed up.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:36 pm

  30. To protect and to serve.
    I love popcorn.

    Comment by mg (31009b) — 2/7/2013 @ 11:50 pm

  31. Panetta and Dempsey say that CiC order to save the Ambassador and secure the Consulate was worded “Can’t you see Sportscenter is on? Handle it your own damn self.”

    Comment by gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:33 am

  32. The two women drove up the driveway to the house, lights off, in a car that looked like the suspect’s. It was not exactly a wild gun spree.

    To the Patricia’s of the world, they got what they deserved. And remember only police should have guns.

    Comment by Ipso Fatso (1e3278) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:06 am

  33. I would think if this Dorner were coming my way, I might “need” several 30-round magazines handy for the AR.

    Comment by navyvet (02dd07) — 2/8/2013 @ 5:35 am

  34. Has President Obama said anything about Dorner?

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/8/2013 @ 5:57 am

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    Comment by Thinking about head over to School (3cd55d) — 2/8/2013 @ 6:17 am

  36. It is interesting to note Obama’s many fans……..Putin….Hugo Chavez…..Bill Ayers a former terrorist….Reverend Wright a racist. IRAN IS ALSO A FAN OF CHUCK HAGEL HIS APPOINTEE FOR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. And now this cop killer we find is also a fan. Are we perhaps seeing a pattern here?

    Comment by mike (598402) — 2/8/2013 @ 6:18 am

  37. It seems that if you are an enemy of the U.S. Obama is your Guy. Hmmmmmmmm…..wonder why that is? Could it be because he is destroying the U.S. by saddling it with insurmountable debt…..cutting the military..over regulating the economy to oblivion….and basically destroying the country from within?

    Comment by mike (598402) — 2/8/2013 @ 6:24 am

  38. The One has spoken on this issue.

    He reportedly told reporters, “The Cambridge Los Angeles police acted stupidly.”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (e81189) — 2/8/2013 @ 6:25 am

  39. Most of the manifesto was standard fare but one item caught my eye …

    “Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could’ve exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now.”

    Huh ? Was just disappearing not acceptable ?
    We should be so lucky to have Obama just disappear.

    Comment by Neo (d1c681) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:09 am

  40. Yes, guys, I don’t know how those detectives ever got hired, seeing how they lacked the required magical sense of ESP about all approaching vehicles in the dark.

    But, in your world, the police are always wrong. Or racist. Do I have that right?

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:29 am

  41. Patricia,

    I’m sure it was a difficult situation, but it’s also interesting that this doesn’t seem to happen when civilians are the primary targets.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:42 am

  42. DRJ – I heard Obama instructed the DOJ to form a task force to look into racism in the LAPD, or something.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:04 am

  43. Yes, guys, I don’t know how those detectives ever got hired, seeing how they lacked the required magical sense of ESP about all approaching vehicles in the dark.

    I guess since they lack ESP, they might as well shoot every approaching vehicle in the dark full of thirty-something bullet holes just to make sure, then, right?

    Or maybe they could just use the senses they *do* possess — like their f*cking eyes, assisted by a spotlight if necessary — to detect that the people driving the truck were two elderly Asian women instead of a 270-pound black man. Or not pump the truck full of 30+ bullet holes until it did something more life-threatening than drive towards them.

    Instead, these rules of engagement suggest that the police have no intention of taking Dorner alive. He may have no intention of being taken alive, but they don’t seem to want to let him surrender even on the off-chance he does. Is that motivated by revenge for their downed comrades, or do they want to shut him up for having crossed the thin blue line and spoken out about police abuses of citizens? Because they’re kind of proving his point so far.

    No excuse for this. Any idiot ought to be able to tell whether a truck is being driven by two old Asian ladies or a 270-pound black man before pumping it, and the two old ladies, full of lead. Incompetence or malice, which is it?

    Comment by Alex (cd1b7b) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:06 am

  44. Patricia, the madman has a bad brain. Guess what, bad character and bad personality go with that. LAPD did not create him, and he was going to be pushed asided anywhere because he’s arrogant, doesn’t follow rules, is a narcissist in that special mentally ill way.

    By the way, any manifesto that mentions attractive haircuts is rambling.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:13 am

  45. Alex has been banned under a lot of IP’s. New one. Shocking, huh?

    Sarah – it seemed surprisingly not bugfacknutz to me. He seemed angry at his circumstances.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:19 am

  46. Sooper Mexican is more of a journalist than the MFM poser-Journolistas.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:27 am

  47. JD, you must be thinking of a different Alex. I haven’t commented here in a long time, possibly a year or two, and never been banned to my knowledge.

    Comment by Alex (cd1b7b) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:30 am

  48. I’m happy not to be in Southern California any longer as the news I see resembles a Keystone Kops film.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:34 am

  49. DRJ – I heard Obama instructed the DOJ to form a task force to look into racism in the LAPD, or something.

    History therefore will be repeating itself. And between that and Dorner (and his politics and devotion to Obama), oh, the irony. What irony! Sort of like a version of “six degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon.”

    One can never be too sarcastic and cynical when it comes to the current cast of characters associated with today’s White House.

    city-journal.org, January 2009:

    In September 2000, Los Angeles mayor Richard Riordan and Los Angeles police chief Bernard Parks phoned Deputy U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder. They requested that he call off the Justice Department’s pursuit of a federal consent decree against the Los Angeles Police Department.

    The Justice Department had been nosing around the LAPD for several years under a 1994 federal law that allows the DOJ to sue police agencies for a “pattern or practice” of violating civil rights. But after the LAPD’s 1998 Rampart corruption scandal, in which a handful of antigang cops extorted, framed, beat, and in one case shot, drug dealers, DOJ cranked up the heat.

    Its investigators demanded truckloads of documents — in the process losing ten boxes of sensitive records. Yet despite putting the LAPD through countless hours of answering questions and copying records, the federal investigators found no evidence that the Rampart gang officers’ corruption went beyond their particular police division or represented anything other than a highly localized breakdown of supervision. The Rampart abuses did not, in other words, represent a “pattern or practice” of civil-rights violations by the LAPD.

    …Bill Lann Lee, head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, insisted that the LAPD be put under a federal monitor who would dictate nearly every aspect of policing practice and policy for a minimum of five years. Lee presented the city with a massive consent decree that would bind the LAPD to the DOJ’s supervision — and if the city refused to sign, DOJ would take Los Angeles to court.

    Included in the proposed decree’s 180 provisions were mandates to record the race of every suspect whom officers stopped, though the Rampart scandal had had nothing to do with so-called “racial profiling.”

    Holder was unmoved [by Riordan's and Parks' request]. DOJ would either see Los Angeles in court or impose a consent decree on it, he wrote back. The federal juggernaut was unstoppable. In 2001, the LAPD signed the decree, starting a process of debilitating resource-drain and wholly useless bureaucratic paper-pushing. Holder had played a significant role in “negotiating” the decree, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    Complying with the federal straitjacket cost the always cash-starved LAPD $40 million in its first year and $50 million each year thereafter, according to city estimates. The court-appointed federal monitor, who has still not stepped down, pursues the dozens of paperwork-gathering requirements with relentless, preposterous exactitude, deeming the LAPD out of compliance if a manager misses an arbitrary report-filing deadline by a few days.

    Again, from Dorner to Holder to Obama. From the LAPD to the DOJ. From the politics of pro-gun-control to the politics of a roaming killer.

    You really couldn’t make this stuff up even if you tried.

    Comment by Mark (6d735c) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:35 am

  50. Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:04 am

    I think that was handled under Clinton, resulting in the consent decree that currently prevails.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:48 am

  51. Alex is correct. My bad. The serial troll was Alec, not Alex. My sincere apology.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:49 am

  52. JD, I had a different read altogether. It’s not schizo word salad, but its abnormal – the narcissism displayed is of the sort that is attached to mental infirmity, with grandiose sentiments, and his actions (murder of familynof the man who defended him) attach it to paranoia.

    His history makes plain that he’s not only always been off, but appears to have justified early suspicion that he had gilded his complaint against his training instructor in pursuit of revenge for her bad review of him.

    Comment by Sarahw (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:52 am

  53. Mark and askeptic – I was not serious, just throwing out a typical Obama reaction.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:00 am

  54. In the Bizarro-World that Progressives have brought, nothing is “not serious”.
    Even the most outrageous stuff written for The Onion is but muted commentary on our days in a world turned upside-down.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:08 am

  55. The absolute best outcome from this would be that he is shot and subdued by the next gun-wielding civilian he comes upon.

    Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:17 am

  56. I was not serious, just throwing out a typical Obama reaction.

    daleyrocks, that is why I said it’s almost impossible to be too sarcastic or cynical regarding Obama and his minions. IOW, even if Dorner looks like Obama’s son if he had a son (an adult one), in the deranged world we now live in, I wouldn’t put it past Eric Holder (and his boss) to want to reactivate the consent decree against the LAPD.

    Comment by Mark (6d735c) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:37 am

  57. No worries, JD: I did a search in the archives and also found some past trollery, or at least ***holery, by someone else named Alex. I wasn’t aware you’d had some problem commenters with similar names to me. I suppose if I commented on blogs more often I should give a more distinctive name. I’m just glad it was you, and not the Torrance PD, who mistook my identity.

    Comment by Alex (4ff18d) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:46 am

  58. OT, but also about horrendous crimes:
    http://www.blackfive.net/main/2013/02/book-review-pizza-bomber.html

    This is about a case a number of years ago near Erie, PA, of all places, where a bank was robbed and the perpetrator had a device around his neck. He told police it was a bomb that others had put on him, and if they didn’t let him go and follow instructions, the bomb would go off and kill him. Well, I guess they didn’t believe the story…until it blew up.

    I never heard anything about it after the initial report, apparently this is the book on the case and its being solved.

    Comment by MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:26 am

  59. Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:17 am

    Poetic Justice in today’s topsy-turvy world would require that civilian to be armed with an AR-15…
    though a Garand or M1A would ensure the job gets done with a minimum of fuss.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:31 am

  60. It should be now dawning on Piers Morgan why his gun control position doesn’t add up.

    If he were capable of honest reflection…

    Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:34 am

  61. ==By the way, any manifesto that mentions attractive haircuts is rambling==

    SarahW, LOL. Apparently Ted Kaczynski wasn’t all that interested in haircuts. He neither had one or mentioned any in his manifiesto.

    Comment by elissa (7c428f) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:36 am

  62. I. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

    He probably wrote that before he started his killing rampage, and neglected to revise that when he added that he was going to wage asymmetrical warfare against the LAPD.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:41 am

  63. By the way, did Chris Dorner pass a background check?

    There are some people who lose the right to own guns in California and CNS I think had a report about how ten policemen come to the homes of people who are supposed to have their weapons taken away and they have a long backlog

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:43 am

  64. First, a major criticism, Patrick. You brand him as a cop killer. Killing a cop is bad, but what he has done is actually worse. He has (allegedly) directly targeted the family of a cop because they are related to a cop. The first two victims were the daughter and son-in-law of a cop, who he feels didn’t do a good enough job as his advocate in an administrative hearing.

    Second, I think it is fair to say Patrick doesn’t actually blame the left for his rampage. But I read (and fisked) the whole manifesto and I have reached a different conclusion. You can read my analysis here.

    Third, off topic, but two of the westboro baptist church members have left the church. You can read about it, here.

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:44 am

  65. Anyway, what did Emerson say about consistency?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:45 am

  66. Yes, guys, I don’t know how those detectives ever got hired, seeing how they lacked the required magical sense of ESP about all approaching vehicles in the dark.

    But, in your world, the police are always wrong. Or racist. Do I have that right?

    nope… not even close to correct.

    what the cops in question obviously did not have was the wholly reasonable and professionally expected TTP’s for operating an LP/OP, which is really what they were doing. instead, it would appear to any trained professional that they were treating this as a stakeout, with their focus and attention trained inward, as cops are used to doing, rather than outward towards their surroundings and the various axises of approach, which is where any threat would likely come from.

    under stress, people devolve to their lowest level of training, with predictable results. most cops do not train to pull guard duty, which is what this was, so unless they were prior military service in combat arms before they joined the force, they would not have the training & experience needed to perform this task properly. worse yet, even if they did have the skill set, being on the police force, with the completely different mind set & ROE, they might not even be allowed to apply such skills, since their “superiors” would likely not understand or be comfortable with doing things other than the way they always do things.

    what it boils down to was sending people with the wrong skill set to do a task they lacked the training and plans to do properly, and, when Murphy showed up, things unsurprisingly went wrong.

    Comment by redc1c4 (403dff) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:47 am

  67. But then, what did Jonah Goldberg say about cliches?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:47 am

  68. Exactly, red. There is a bizarre sense among the lay person about the immense amount of training that police receive.

    Hint: it ain’t immense.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:48 am

  69. “Not everything you read in a Finkelman comment is true.”
    - Abraham Lincoln.

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:49 am

  70. i wonder if Dorner will start shooting Hispanic gang members in Compton who are chasing out Black citizens? Obama is doing nothing in this matter.

    I think the Jihadists have the right punishment for this guy. Blindfold him and take him to a outside wall each day. Do the full firing squad routine with empty weapons. Don’t know if the squad will need to yell, “Bang!”, or not, but the click on an empty chamber will speak loudly to him.

    Comment by PCD (1d8b6d) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:04 am

  71. In all cases, they shot into an unidentified vehicle without a visual confirmation. Hanging offense.

    Whatever happened to calling for backup?

    I guess it’s true what the movies say, calling for backup is for wimps.

    Comment by luagha (5cbe06) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:10 am

  72. Well, here – it’s very probable that he did not edit his webpage to eliminate inconsistencies when he put in the part about waging war against the LAPD. (there’s something a bit inconsistent about saying nobody needs an assault weapon, and then using one himself. I would think that is true.)

    But, as I pointed out, Ralph Waldo Emerson said:

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ralphwaldo136909.html

    A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.

    and Chris Dorner obviopusly does not consider himself to have a little mind.

    On the otehr hand Jonah Goldberg points out in his new book that a cliche is not an argument.

    http://www.npr.org/2012/05/02/151711939/do-liberals-live-under-a-tyranny-of-cliches

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:15 am

  73. Comment by luagha (5cbe06) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:10 am

    Whatever happened to “knowing your target”?
    This was Lon Horiuchi at short range.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:22 am

  74. Fisking Dorner….

    Well Done, AW!

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:22 am

  75. “He probably wrote that before he started his killing rampage”

    Sammy – I think he probably took a break in his killing rampage to write a 22 page manifesto, but that’s just me.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:33 am

  76. SarahW – Did Dorner’s manifesto leave out the marvelously toned arms?

    What kind of second rate manifesto leaves out the marvelously toned arms?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 11:51 am

  77. daley–I’ll probably be castigated for saying this publicly–but there is in fact one very positive influence this Flotus has had on my life. Those. toned. arms. of. hers. look. amazing. She has forced me to adjust my workout to focus more on those muscles. And it has made a difference which I am happy with. I do not intend to emulate her derriere, however.

    Comment by elissa (7c428f) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:07 pm

  78. elissa – Exactly my point. How can you ignore those.marvelously.toned.arms?

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:17 pm

  79. elissa, you should continue to exercise your right to bear bare arms !

    Comment by Elephant Stone (e81189) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:25 pm

  80. The focus is on the LAPD for obvious reasons, but Dorner was very recently discharged (passed over) from the Navy Reserves. That’s likely the event that set him off, at least in terms of proximity to the killing spree.

    Sure he’s been a ticking time bomb for some time, however his termination from the LAPD was back in 2008.

    Don’t we have reason to speculate that Dorner’s rejection by the NAVY was the trigger event for his homicidal rampage and his attack on the LAPD is largely a psychotic projection?

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:32 pm

  81. Why I think people ought to be encouraged to exercise! A fine lambswool, or merino cardigan has always served me well, in my day,and why I…oh, that’s different.

    Nevermind.

    Comment by Emily Litella's manifesto (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:39 pm

  82. ropelight – I just finished AW’s excellent fisking, and was going to post the same – how is this LAPD and not USN???:

    The focus is on the LAPD for obvious reasons, but Dorner was very recently discharged (passed over) from the Navy Reserves. That’s likely the event that set him off, at least in terms of proximity to the killing spree.

    Sure he’s been a ticking time bomb for some time, however his termination from the LAPD was back in 2008.

    Don’t we have reason to speculate that Dorner’s rejection by the NAVY was the trigger event for his homicidal rampage and his attack on the LAPD is largely a psychotic projection?

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:32 pm

    Comment by Amy Shulkusky (676892) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:48 pm

  83. Ropelight, I don’t really know how all that works…something like, if you are passed over twice for the next rank, you have to separate?

    I can only think he was promoted at some point to major pain, and shown the door as soon as it could be reasonably arranged.

    I

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:49 pm

  84. Very good, Emily L. I miss you by the way.

    Comment by elissa (7c428f) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:49 pm

  85. Whoops, cut that last bit off…I wonder if we will here any backstory about his separation from the Navy reserves.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:50 pm

  86. Or hear, maybe.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:58 pm

  87. Yes, Sarah, it’s a strict progression in the officer corps, passed over for promotion twice and it’s adios amigo. You can see Lieutenant’s bars on Dorner’s collar in the pic of him in camo fatigues with a warm friendly smile on his face.

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:01 pm

  88. Does anyone know–was Dorner represented by a union both before and then when he was being let go from the police dept? If he was in a union was the person whose daughter and son in law were killed in revenge Dormer’s personally hired representative at the hearing, or the union’s man?

    Comment by elissa (7c428f) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:09 pm

  89. I’m sure that Dorner’s rampage would have been prevented if only the legislature had moved more quickly on this:

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/foghorn/list-of-proposed-california-gun-control-measures-500-round-max-no-grandfathering-no-detachable-mags-mandatory-license/

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:19 pm

  90. It is a pretty sad state of affairs when a blogger named SooperMexican is doing way more honest reporting than the MFM and JournoListas. Mawy Reilly should be along to spleen vent any time now.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:25 pm

  91. elissa, my impression (I believe I read it somewhere, likely at AW’s site linked above) that Dorner’s lawyer, Randal Quan, was provided by the the LA police officer’s association.

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:30 pm

  92. JD, how about a post on the trigger happy shooting of those two women in the pick-up truck?

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:31 pm

  93. Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:32 pm

    but Dorner was very recently discharged (passed over) from the Navy Reserves. That’s likely the event that set him off, at least in terms of proximity to the killing spree.

    Sure he’s been a ticking time bomb for some time, however his termination from the LAPD was back in 2008.

    Don’t we have reason to speculate that Dorner’s rejection by the NAVY was the trigger event for his homicidal rampage and his attack on the LAPD is largely a psychotic projection?

    It has to be something recent. Sometimes there can be aroot cause but the end of all of his hopes doesn’t come till later.

    I heard something that he wrote that the policeman who defendeed him in police proceedinmgs but lost had deprived him of a familly and so he was going to deprive him of a family. It’s hard to be more fundamentally bad.

    So maybe the trigger was that he lost the affections of some woman, or couldn’t gte it and blamed this. Women are said to like men in uniform.

    Once he killed one person and espcially two, all the subsequent killings are “free” in his mind. A armed man without a conscience with nothing to lose is extremely dangerous.

    Comment by Amy Shulkusky (676892) — 2/8/2013 @ 12:48 pm

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:34 pm

  94. On the Hannity show somebody thinks Dorner planned this for years, and he’s got supplies secreted, and he’s waiting till the alert is called off because they will start to say he’s committed suicide (or left the country?? That can’t be done unnoticed)

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:37 pm

  95. Sammy, Dorner’s attempt to hijack a boat in San Diego puts the lie to the talk of advance planning.

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:48 pm

  96. he definitely wants us to think he has this planned, but i am not sure if that is a boast or not.

    as for why focus on the LAPD? if you mean why is dorter having this focus, um, he’s a nut, so who knows?

    As for the rest of us, its because he plainly has his sights set on them. Pray for everyone over there.

    Well, besides this (alleged) cop-family-killer

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/8/2013 @ 1:57 pm

  97. Lordy, I have not seen a police department this spun up in total PSH since the DC sniper incident a few years back.

    Good thing the 2 ladies in the truck were just wounded – just imagine all the Latino gang-bangers reaction had they been killed instead. I can see it now…texts across all of LA “Open season on LAPD. No bag limit”

    Comment by Bob in VA (76eb7e) — 2/8/2013 @ 2:02 pm

  98. “(or left the country?? That can’t be done unnoticed)”

    Right, because our borders are so damn secure.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/8/2013 @ 2:21 pm

  99. The absolute best outcome from this would be that he is shot and subdued by the next gun-wielding civilian he comes upon.

    Perfect, Joseph! and I want Dorner to be yelling “I love Mrs. Obama’s bangs!”

    happyfeet, I hate her belts more than her banks, so maybe we can share a cell in LACJ with Nakoula Nakoula.

    Comment by Patricia (be0117) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:07 pm

  100. Good thing the 2 ladies in the truck were just wounded

    I suppose it’s an ironic stroke of luck for them that the officers were lousy shots.

    While they’re on administrative leave, perhaps the department ought to make sure they get eye exams.

    Comment by Alex (4ff18d) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:36 pm

  101. A Dorner Related SWATting?

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:39 pm

  102. Mawy Reilly should be along to spleen vent any time now.

    Oh God, JD, please don’t invoke that name. It’s like the Candyman movie where if you say it so many times he is bound to show up.

    Comment by JVW (4826a9) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:57 pm

  103. He may have somebody assisting him.

    Comment by DN (d1a4f3) — 2/8/2013 @ 3:59 pm

  104. Mawy Mawy Mawy Mawy Mawy

    Comment by JD (456bb7) — 2/8/2013 @ 4:14 pm

  105. He’s the best hack a faux website can find;

    http://twitchy.com/2013/02/08/cnn-host-howard-kurtz-should-we-care-about-chris-dorners-love-of-cnn-and-msnbc-hosts/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 4:16 pm

  106. Wild Ninja, McCain was born of US citizens, and on a US military base (military bases are, like Embassies, considered the “soil” of whatever country controls it). The issue would be a little clouded had his mother had to go to a local hospital.

    I wish this had gone to court to get some sort of ruling. Obama, too, but I think that would expose that he was actually born in Hawaii, and some of his supporters believe he is putting one over on the US because they believe he was born in Kenya.

    Comment by Phillep Harding (1b8b26) — 2/8/2013 @ 5:13 pm

  107. I don’t have a good reason to suspect Obama was born anywhere but in Hawaii, however, it’s beyond rational dispute that he’s hiding significant details of his birth. The so-called birth certificate is as a phony as a 3 dollar bill.

    Comment by ropelight (5f4540) — 2/8/2013 @ 6:18 pm

  108. You would never know anything from this piece;

    http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_22544336

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:15 pm

  109. I’m not getting much of a city under siege feel out here in real life

    it’s kinda cold and wet here mostly

    lotta people will be staying in just causa that

    plus gas prices are super high and all our paychecks went down cause of the obama tax increasings

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:40 pm

  110. narc i saw it. the key part is where they say his allegations were proven false. that’ll be in a new post soon.

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:42 pm

  111. Like I said yesterday, the ‘Following’ is not supposed to be real;

    http://twitchy.com/2013/02/08/bill-maher-calls-christopher-dorner-a-nut-followers-disagree/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 7:58 pm

  112. i talked to a guy today who had read the manifesto and thought that Dorner made some good points, especially about how corrupt the LAPD is

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:02 pm

  113. Did they take at the free range crazy, or just the excerpts the media presented to make him sound reasonable,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:14 pm

  114. i asked him he said his was over 20 pages so that means it was the uncensored one I think

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:19 pm

  115. but he hadn’t gotten all the way to the end

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:20 pm

  116. on the one hand, the LAPD has not performed magnificently in this instance, otoh, what the hell,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:23 pm

  117. we don’t get what we pay for that’s for damn sure

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:30 pm

  118. I know you have no virtually no ratings, but this isn’t the way to solve the problem;

    http://twitchy.com/2013/02/08/cnns-don-lemon-says-we-need-to-talk-about-chris-dorners-not-crazy-manifesto/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:32 pm

  119. Don Lemon needs something to do with his mouf when he’s not fluffing Piers Morgan is all Mr. narciso

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:43 pm

  120. I wonder if Jake Tapper’s happy he went to CNN. Well I suppose the money is good, but having tolerable co-workers that don’t embarrass you is also important I think.

    Comment by elissa (7c428f) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:10 pm

  121. I don’t elissa, he started out at Salon, then he moved to ABC, where they burned at least two of the CIA interrogators, as well as the facilities where the detainees were being hidden,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:13 pm

  122. honourable men usually find themselves gainfully employed in honourable professions

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:18 pm

  123. for example there is ernesto who makes the papusas on Lankershim and this one guy what changed my oil in lake charles (licketysplit! and he didn’t shove an airfilter in my face) but not the one what changed my oil in that forlorn little town in illinois who forgot to reset the whatever

    Decatur

    also Kenny Chesney

    but not Guy Ritchie and also not Marco Rubio

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:45 pm

  124. Well I liked his Sherlock Holmes films, I haven’t seen his other work.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:46 pm

  125. he took his son’s mom for a ton of money when he had a ton already of his own what a slut

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 9:49 pm

  126. on the one hand, the LAPD has not performed magnificently in this instance, otoh, what the hell, at this point, what differnece does it make?
    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/8/2013 @ 8:23 pm

    FTFY!

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:01 pm

  127. Hey, guess what? Dorner is a liar, too.

    That is right, he lied about his supposed grievences. Which makes the people who supported him look kinda dumb.

    Details here.

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:27 pm

  128. if everyone down at the popo station were terminated for falsifying police reports

    Los Angeles would be in quite a pickle

    Comment by happyfeet (323d6f) — 2/8/2013 @ 10:32 pm

  129. They seem to be trying to give him the benefit of the doubt;

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-had-history-of-complaints-against-fellow-lapd-officers.html

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2013 @ 8:57 am

  130. Liberalism’s
    a full-metal jacketed
    mental disorder

    Comment by Colonel Haiku (00144f) — 2/9/2013 @ 8:59 am

  131. 127- AW, I’m sure Dorner will be able to conclusively prove, beyond any scientific doubt, that the two hotel employees only did what they did to get out from under some charges brought by the Vice Squad, probably relating to some stolen strawberries.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 9:33 am

  132. The following excerpt is from Tracy Oppenheimer and Zach Weissenmueller writing at reason.com on 2/8/13.

    LAPD Had “No Idea” Who They Were Shooting At In Dorner Pursuit, Says Victim’s Attorney

    “It’s 100 percent clear that they had no idea who was in that vehicle and just lit it up,” says attorney Christopher Driscoll.

    Driscoll is representing Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, the two women who were shot on Thursday, Feb. 7 in Torrance, CA by LAPD officers. The officers were on the hunt for Christopher Dorner, and claim to have mistaken Carranza and Hernandez’s truck for Dorner’s.

    “They had a description of the suspect, they had a description of the suspect’s vehicle. The two women obviously do not match that description in any way,” Driscoll says…

    Comment by ropelight (23be96) — 2/9/2013 @ 10:58 am

  133. Neither did the truck, but for being “Japanese”.

    I agree with what the attorney said, but caution that any good litigation attorney is going to make such inflammatory comments prior to lodging a claim against the City and PD for his clients.

    And on this one, Tony Villar & Co. are going to pay, and pay big!

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 11:04 am

  134. #44. By the way, any manifesto that mentions attractive haircuts is rambling.

    Maybe, but most of the descriptions of rambling, etc. seem intended to imply he’s a nut who can’t be taken as a reflection on any political persuasion. A lot of this is even coming from the right, as if to show that we’re bigger people than the left and won’t attribute this to leftist politics the way they try with us. But implying he’s crazy is bogus; he’s seriously disturbed, but he’s not crazy. His views are coherent — not the case with most mass shooters — and he’s coming from the left, which ought to tell us something if we’re not too PC to gloss over it. The left doesn’t even gloss over it when the shooter IS crazy… they look to falsely attribute it to the right.

    Comment by Joseph D (ece5cb) — 2/9/2013 @ 1:39 pm

  135. Well he’s sociopathic, possibly even psychopathic, although his twit followers, fall more in the crazy category.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2013 @ 1:47 pm

  136. I don’t agree Dorner is crazy. He may be. But writing a self-centered, celebrity-obsessed manifesto and deciding to “get even” with perceived wrongs doesn’t prove he’s crazy to me.

    Comment by DRJ (a83b8b) — 2/9/2013 @ 1:50 pm

  137. Point taken, his methodical nature suggests this;

    http://twitchy.com/2013/02/08/jesse-jackson-tweets-plea-to-chris-dorner-i-understand-your-feelings-of-hurt-and-pain/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2013 @ 2:07 pm

  138. If Dorner’s not crazy, he’ll do ’til the real thing comes along.

    Comment by Dave Surls (46b08c) — 2/9/2013 @ 2:15 pm

  139. Dorner says he wants to clear his name, yet he besmirches it with the blood of innocents. His manifesto shows he’s not stupid but it and his actions show he’s as crazy as a shit house rat.

    Comment by ropelight (23be96) — 2/9/2013 @ 2:15 pm

  140. I don’t agree Dorner is crazy. He may be. But writing a self-centered, celebrity-obsessed manifesto and deciding to “get even” with perceived wrongs doesn’t prove he’s crazy to me.

    I read that Dorner, in one of his writings, apparently mentioned he has suffered from bouts of major depression, possibly triggered by something he theorizes happened to him when in the military, and that he’d like to donate his brain for research. I don’t know how accurate that description is, but if did make comments along those lines, then they’d immediately remind of what was written by the notorious killer at the University of Texas in 1966.

    However, after perusing Dorner’s manifesto, I now tend to be more skeptical about the idea of a major organic flaw being the driver of his behavior. That’s mainly due to his writings being overly perceptive, politically extreme, and full of pity-party sentiment. There’s nothing unaware, non-tactical and non-premeditated about it.

    His manifesto, therefore, certainly isn’t similar to what the person below was writing to — and about — himself and others. However, when it comes to ultra-liberalism, some may ask whether that’s due to nurture or nature. Are extremist political traits innate or acquired?

    My theory is that the more deficient a person is in common sense, the more likely he or she will do horrible, flaky, foolish, dishonest, unethical, destructive, self-destructive things. And, generally, common sense is more lacking in larger cross sections of people of the left than people of the right.

    Perhaps that’s why so many of the infamous assassin-type killers over the past few years have been associated with the left, not the right.

    brainmind.com:

    The amygdals appears capable of not only triggering and steering hypothalamic activity but acting on higher level neocortical processes so that individuals form emotional ideas. Indeed, the amygdala is able to overwhelm the neocortex and the rest of the brain so so that the person not only forms emotional ideas but responds to them, sometimes with vicious, horrifying results.

    A famous example of this is Charles Whitman, who in 1966 climbed a tower at the University of Texas and began to indiscriminantly kill people with a rifle…

    Charles Whitman was born on June 24, 1941 and even before entering grade school had shown exceptional intellectual promise, was well liked by neighbors and had already shown some mastery of the piano, which he “loved to play.” At the age of six he was administered the Stanford Binet tests of intellectual ability and obtained an IQ of 138; thus scoring at the 99.9% rank.

    …Charlie loved animals, was somewhat religiously oriented as a child, was very athletic, was described as “handsome” and “fun” and “high spirited” and was in many respects the “all American boy.” He became an Eagle Scout at age 12, and receiving national recognition as being the youngest Eagle Scout in the world.

    After high school he joined the Marines and was described as “the kind of guy you would want around if you went into combat.” It was while in the Marines that he got married, and it was during this period that began to show the first subtle signs that something might be amiss.

    He began having occasional bursts of anger. He threatened to “kick the teeth out” of another Marine, was court martialed, consigned to the brig for 30 days, and reduced in rank. He also began taking copious notes, and developed what is referred to as “hypergraphia” excessive writing–a disturbance associated with the amygdala.

    Increasingly…he was having trouble with his temper and composed notes offering self-advice as to how to control his growing temper and rage attacks. “CONTROL your anger” he wrote, “Don’t let it prove you the fool. SMILE–Its contagious. DON’T be belligerent. STOP cursing. CONTROL your passion; DON’T LET IT lead YOU.”

    Several days prior to climbing the tower, Charles Whitman wrote himself a letter: “I don’t quite understand what it is that compels me to type this letter…. I don’t really understand myself these days… Lately I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts. These thoughts constantly recur, and it requires a tremendous mental effort to concentrate…. I have been fighting my mental turmoil alone, and seemingly to no avail.

    After my death I wish that an autopsy would be performed to see if there is any visible physical disorder. I have had tremendous headaches in the past and have consumed two large bottles of Excedrin in the past three months.”

    On August 1, 1966, one day before climbing the tower at the University of Texas, Charles Whitman paid a visit to his mother…. According to police reports, Charles must have immediately attacked his mother after they entered the penthouse, and then brutally beat, strangled, and stabbed her to death, crushing the back of her head, smashing her hands, and stabbing her in the chest with a huge hunting knife.

    After killing his mother, Charles returned home, planning on killing his wife “as painlessly as possible.,” as he explained in yet another note:

    “It was after much thought that I decided to kill my wife, Kathy, tonight….I love her dearly, and she has been a fine wife to me as any man could ever hope to have. I cannot rationally pinpoint any specific reason for doing this…”

    Apparently she was sleeping, and after removing the blankets to expose her nude body, he viciously stabbed her repeatedly with his huge hunting knife, leaving five gaping holes in her chest. She died instantly.

    The next morning Charles Whitman climbed the University tower carrying several guns, a sawed off shotgun, and a high powered hunting rifle, and for the next 90 minutes he shot at everything that moved, killing 14, wounding 38.

    Post-mortem autopsy of his brain revealed a glioblastoma multiforme tumor the size of a walnut, erupting from beneath the thalamus, impacting the hypothalamus, extending into the temporal lobe and compressing the amygdaloid nucleus (Charles J. Whitman Catastrophe, Medical Aspects. Report to Governor, 9/8/66).

    Comment by Mark (eb2f6a) — 2/9/2013 @ 3:09 pm

  141. I think it is telling that Dormer’s preferred candidate was Huntsman, and he says he didn’t vote because Huntsman didn’t win the Republican nomination.

    Me, I think he’s just angling for an insanity plea.

    Comment by Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 2/9/2013 @ 4:18 pm

  142. There are 1000′s of cops in the field who are determined to preclude that option.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 4:28 pm

  143. 127- AW, I’m sure Dorner will be able to conclusively prove, beyond any scientific doubt, that the two hotel employees only did what they did to get out from under some charges brought by the Vice Squad, probably relating to some stolen strawberries.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 9:33 am

    I’m so Bogarting that!!!

    Comment by Amy Shulkusky (676892) — 2/9/2013 @ 4:57 pm

  144. Amy, you watch too many old movies.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 5:26 pm

  145. As A friend of mine, pointed out, Kieffer, was the observer through which Captain Queeg’s insanity was determined,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2013 @ 5:29 pm

  146. This monster Dorner appears to be one former police officer that the left wingers can actually support.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (69bfc3) — 2/9/2013 @ 5:41 pm

  147. Actually, in the novel, LtCmdr.Queeg (Bogart) didn’t come across so much as insane, but just with a very narrow viewpoint – in another age, and with less at stake, he would have been considered eccentric, and driven (I always compared him to Capt. Bligh – whose sail across thousands of miles of the Pacific in open boats was one of the great feats of seamanship).
    I think in the movie, the perception of insanity was a result of the relentless questioning by Lt. Barney Greenwald (Jose Ferrar), the defense attorney, who – at the end – was disgusted with himself, in the way he had to destroy who he thought was a good officer – unlike his opinion of Lieutenant Tom Keefer (Fred MacMurray).
    The story is told from the perspective of Ensign Keith (Robert Francis), on his first sea-tour.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 5:58 pm

  148. So crime does pay,

    http://blog.pe.com/crime-blotter/2013/02/09/5899/

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/9/2013 @ 6:00 pm

  149. I’m sure the City Atty, and the insurance carriers (if any) have prompted this in the wake of the shooting in Torrance.
    They have to be able to demonstrate that the action they took against Dormer was justified.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/9/2013 @ 6:09 pm

  150. I think we’re paying attention to the wrong killer. Dorner is one man. One crazy obsessed man, but one man, nonetheless. Since none of the police involved in shooting the paper ladies’ truck will be charged, or even have a “come to Jesus” moment and resigned, I think it’s safe to say that a “few bad apples” have spoiled the entire batch.

    They seem to be operating under a modified ROE that says shoot first, union up later. This is like the Iran-Iraq war: I hope both sides lose.

    Comment by Ghost (2d8874) — 2/9/2013 @ 11:13 pm

  151. The following excerpt is from the Associated Press 2/10/13 and written by Tami Abdollah.

    Women Shot in Calif. Manhunt Will to Get New Truck

    A mother and daughter newspaper delivery team who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for a fugitive former cop will get a new pickup truck courtesy of the department.

    LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith says the department’s Chief Charlie Beck met with the women in their Torrance home Saturday to apologize and tell them he had arranged for someone to donate a new pickup truck…

    Comment by ropelight (491506) — 2/10/2013 @ 6:07 am

  152. Gee, Charlie, that’s awful white of you.

    Just like a lib, giving stuff away with OPM!

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/10/2013 @ 6:58 am

  153. More new info (first I’ve heard of it) is that Dorner’s truck broke down in Big Bear and that’s the reason he set it on fire with several weapons and some ammo still inside. How authorities determined a burnt out hulk had malfunctioned is beyond me, but it’s what the Orange County Register is reporting.

    Comment by ropelight (491506) — 2/10/2013 @ 7:00 am

  154. They know stuff.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/10/2013 @ 7:15 am

  155. I wonder if our old friend Brother Bradley has any information on the manhunt. He still writes for the San Diego UT as far as I know.

    Comment by ropelight (491506) — 2/10/2013 @ 7:44 am

  156. New post on Dorner, reviewing a recent document dump, here.

    Comment by Aaron "Worthing" Walker (23789b) — 2/10/2013 @ 8:11 am

  157. It’s remarkable Aaron, but not surprising in light of what has happened in my state, this year, the facts are beside the point.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/10/2013 @ 8:34 am

  158. Police related:
    We can play “Guess the Party?”
    A Google search on the name of the Mayor finds the PuffHo, and they don’t mention her poltical affiliation at all.
    Why would that be?

    Ohio mayor resigns over accusations of gay slurs
    Published February 09, 2013
    Associated Press
    CINCINNATI – The mayor of a southeastern Ohio town has resigned over accusations that she repeatedly called a gay police officer “queer” in front of his colleagues and created a hostile work environment.
    Jackie Welker, council president in the Village of Pomeroy, tells The Associated Press that 78-year-old Mayor Mary McAngus submitted a letter of resignation Saturday.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/10/2013 @ 8:56 am

  159. Aaron, thanks for the synopsis. I’m in agreement, Dorner’s got a habit of making false accusations to retaliate against others or to cover for his own shortcomings.

    His initial false report on the kicking incident, his late accusations against his supervisor immediately following her unsatisfactory evaluation of his performance, the clear testimony of the hotel employees that no kicking took place, all taken together indicate Dorner’s story of excessive force isn’t credible.

    That’s what the police examiners found and it’s what the record supports.

    Comment by ropelight (491506) — 2/10/2013 @ 12:46 pm

  160. askeptic,

    Ha, ha, well played on the “guess the political party !” parlor game.

    I was telling some apolitical people just last nite that if they’re ever reading a news story about a politician who is involved in a scandal, and they reach the third paragraph without the political affiliation being revealed, you can take it to the bank that it is a Democrat.
    That’s because when it is a Republican involved, it is always written such as, “Republican Congressman Mark Foley, a Republican, has upset the Republican party’s chances of……”

    Comment by Elephant Stone (f49811) — 2/10/2013 @ 1:07 pm

  161. I don’t know how I missed Patricia’s disgusting comment on my first read through, but sweet fancy Moses, are you actually blaming the ladies for being shot by the cops?

    And you’re a conservative? I suppose those blacks in the 60′s shouldn’t have been so uppity, or else they wouldn’t have been blasted with the fire hose, right?

    Know your place, Citizen!

    Comment by Ghost (2d8874) — 2/10/2013 @ 1:25 pm

  162. At least so far, Dorner is not coming out in the open and shooting it out with the LAPD, which he claimed he wanted to do. This indicates he is trying to stay alive.

    A cult following cheering him on is growing with every hour.

    Comment by DN (ad6cba) — 2/10/2013 @ 2:59 pm

  163. Just to confirm what ropelight is saying, Dorner was passed over twice for O-4 (in the reserves!). He made O-3 1 Aug 2006 and he separated as an O-3 on 1 Feb 2013. Which isn’t surprising as his designator was 1305. That means he was in the aviation community but his status as pilot or naval flight officer had been terminated. He wasinvoluntarily recalled in 2006 and spent a year in Bahrain with a Coastal Riverine unit. He left with no kiss goodbye; they didn’t give him a Navy Achievement Medal or a Navy Commendation Medal. He must have not been a happy camper having been recalled, slacked off, and made everyone around him miserable if they wouldn’t evan spend the time cutting and pasting the standard write-up for an award they consider the least they can do for every reservist I knew who showed up and lost a year out of their lives. In fact in 10 years he earned no personal awards.

    He clearly was a strange cat. It looks like he was trying to get passed over. I remarked on his designator because apparantly he washed out of flight training. At some point somebody must have told him he’d have to lateral transfer into another community and get some warfare qual. I can’t say with 100% certainty as I never met a 1305 in 20 years. But then I also believe that’s a clue they don’t let unrestricted line officers stay in as washed out aviators without trying to earn some other warfare pin.

    I’m going to hazard a guess and say since he didn’t even try he didn’t want to stay in if he couldn’t fly. There are lots like that.

    Comment by Steve57 (08bc52) — 2/10/2013 @ 3:42 pm

  164. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-dorner-20130211,0,2498334.story?track=rss

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/10/2013 @ 10:49 pm

  165. narciso, thanks for the link to the LA Times article. It provides a good overview including the important timeline of Dorner’s kicking claim, and it shows the LAPD investigated the incident and reached the only conclusion supported by the evidence.

    It also indicates that Randal Quan did a good job representing Dorner. If so, why Dorner focused his murderous rage on Quan’s daughter and her fiancee seemingly defies explanation, unless Dorner was obsessed with Monica Quan and her recent engagement, only 4 days before her death, is what triggered Dorner’s rage.

    Monica Quan was going to marry Keith Lawrence a black man who was successful where Dorner failed. Lawrence was a college athlete who attended the Sheriff’s Academy in Ventura, trained with the Oxnard PD, and was employed in his dream job at USC as a Public Safety Officer.

    Keith Lawrence proposed to Monica Quan with her parents permission only 4 days before Dorner murdered them just after the Superbowl on February 3rd. Dorner’s manifesto says since he can’t have a family (Monica?) he’s going to kill Quan’s family.

    We very well might have a case of an unrequited suitor who viciously murdered the woman who rejected him and then killed the man who succeeded in every area where Dorner failed.

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 6:43 am

  166. The following is from Powerline dated yesterday. The LA Times is reporting another barage of police bullets directed an an obviously wrong target.

    …The second incident followed on Thursday morning in short order. Here is the opening of the Los Angeles Times story on the second incident:

    David Perdue was on his way to sneak in some surfing before work Thursday morning when police flagged him down. They asked who he was and where he was headed, then sent him on his way.

    Seconds later, Perdue’s attorney said, a Torrance police cruiser slammed into his pickup and officers opened fire; none of the bullets struck Perdue.

    His pickup, police later explained, matched the description of the one belonging to Christopher Jordan Dorner — the ex-cop who has evaded authorities after allegedly killing three and wounding two more. But the pickups were different makes and colors. And Perdue looks nothing like Dorner: He’s several inches shorter and about a hundred pounds lighter. And Perdue is white; Dorner is black.

    The Times quotes an attorney representing Perdue: “I don’t want to use the word buffoonery but it really is unbridled police lawlessness. These people need training and they need restraint.”

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 7:28 am

  167. Stupidest theory ever put on the Internet, courtesy of AW:

    the past behavior of the left has led Dorner to believe that by committing these crimes he can generate sympathy for himself and the injustices he perceives to have been done to him

    According to the weird mind of A.W., the left “sympathizes with terrorists” (we all remember how much Obama and MSNBC mourned when we bin Laden was killed, right? Me neither), and so Dorner wrote a manifesto seeking sympathy. Therefore, the left is to blame in part.

    Here’s an alternative theory: Dorner doesn’t see himself as a terrorist, so the left’s view on terrorism (which AW mischaracterizes because he is a hack) is irrelevant. Instead, Dorner is a sociopath with a heightened sense of ego and entitlement (note how he gives advice and opinions to celebrities and public figures, as if he is one of them), and politics has nothing to do with it.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 7:50 am

  168. The LAPD feels targeted, and rightly so, this doesn’t excuse the behavior, but it does explain it, sadly Chief Beck’s accomodation, puts more targets on its back,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 7:54 am

  169. Don’t sell yourself short, Kmart. You have pushed some waaaaaaaaaaaay stupider ideas.

    Comment by JD (5a02de) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:19 am

  170. Kmart, you’re as dishonest as Dorner, while you don’t share his guilt, you do share his inability to think straight and to see yourself for the duplicitous jerk you are, but you’re right about politics having nothing to do with Dorner’s murder spree, just like gun laws had nothing to do with the murders in Newtown, both outrages were committed by deranged whack jobs.

    But in both cases the Left tried to twist the events to conform to their political agenda, like they do every damn time some lunatic goes postal.

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:37 am

  171. Kmart,

    You need to stop spending your monthly welfare check on alcohol.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (4562fa) — 2/11/2013 @ 9:02 am

  172. Kman = Your chickens are coming home to roost.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/11/2013 @ 9:28 am

  173. Ropelight:

    But in both cases the Left tried to twist the events to conform to their political agenda…

    The Left is merely trying to fix a growing problem. Just as the War in Afghanistan was a response to 9/11, the left (and not exclusively the left, by the way) is responding to the surge in mass shootings. Reasonable people can disagree about the proper response, but most people don’t find it politically craven to respond at all. Protecting its citizens is the highest priority for government.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 9:49 am

  174. Protecting its citizens is the highest priority for government.

    Does your head hurt?

    Comment by JD (5a02de) — 2/11/2013 @ 9:58 am

  175. Kmart, blaming the guys who didn’t do it isn’t responding to the problem, it’s waving the bloody shirt for political advantage.

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:02 am

  176. Kmart,

    At least you admit that the response to the 9/11 attacks was more of a right wing focus.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (4562fa) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:15 am

  177. just after the Superbowl on February 3rd…

    So, is Dorner just another victim/perpetrator of Super-Bowl induced violence?

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:16 am

  178. Kmart, blaming the guys who didn’t do it isn’t responding to the problem, it’s waving the bloody shirt for political advantage.

    You seem obsessed with assigning blame. I think others are more interested in cause. There are many causes of gun violence, and there’s nothing wrong with addressing all of them.

    And something is only “politically advantageous” if it is popular. Again, I don’t see what is wrong in responding to the popular will of the people. Maybe what you’re seeing is politicians doing what is right.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:19 am

  179. Km an, a “surge” that does not exist. Like most of your claims.

    Comment by SPQR (1e3571) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:21 am

  180. At least you admit that the response to the 9/11 attacks was more of a right wing focus.

    No. I admit both sides of the political spectrum responded to the 9/11 attacks by favoring the War in Afghanistan.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:21 am

  181. Other 9/11 attacks, not so much.

    Comment by JD (5a02de) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:23 am

  182. Kmart,

    The left blamed the 9/11 attacks on our foreign policy, rather than on evil Jihadists.
    Just as some on the left are not blaming Chris Dorner as much as they’re blaming the LAPD for “making Chris Dorner angry.”

    See, this is the aspect of left wing ideology you’re probably not bright enough to comprehend. Lefties often blame “external forces” for “causing” someone to commit a crime or a terrorist act.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (4562fa) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:32 am

  183. ES – Ms Doubtfire is well aware of that. Ideology doesn’t matter when their own is doing it, like Dorner.

    Comment by JD (5a02de) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:39 am

  184. Like I said Kmart, you’re a duplicitous jerk, the last thing you or the Obama Administration wants is to address the actual problem. Guns don’t kill people, criminally insane bastards do and unless they get locked away or executed they’re likely make a circus out of any legal proceeding and then have the option to go out and do it again.

    You’re intent on deflecting attention away from the problem of your party’s refusal to punish criminal behavior and consequently have fostered a climate of violence where crazy nutcases can commit mass murder and never have to worry about loosing their own life in response.

    You say I seem obsessed with assigning blame, but that’s not quite it, I want the blame where it belongs, not on inanimate objects or on law abiding citizens but on the murderous misfits who commit the crimes and on the Democrat Party that enables them to keep on doing it.

    Take the response of many the left to Dorner, he murdered a girl and her fiancee in cold blood and blamed it on the girl’s father, but the Left believes Dorner’s story of how he got a raw deal from the LAPD and concludes that Dorner is somehow justified in his bloody rampage. Now, that’s just plain sick in the head.

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 10:52 am

  185. JD,

    You’re right, pal.
    And it is really a matter of the lefties simply shifting the proverbial goalposts in order to suit the specific game situation they’re involved in at the moment.

    When a left wing black such as Dorner goes rogue and murders innocent people in cold blood, the lefties ask, “what did the LAPD do to ’cause’ him to do this ?”

    But if a fired white male were attempting to take revenge against the LAPD, the issue would be a matter of “gun control,” and possibly the fact that the white male had once been seen actually watching one of the Fox News evening shows.

    In other words, the racial minority is a victim of society, whereas the white male is in full control of his faculties at all times. In a way, it is sort of racist of the lefties to not hold blacks responsible for their own behavior.

    Comment by Elephant Stone (4562fa) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:00 am

  186. narciso, thanks for the link to the slimes. It helps round out the picture of Dorner.

    If memory serves his manifesto is full of jargon and references “troops going outside the wire,” implying he was some hard core operator. The slimes article backs up that impression, reporting that Dorner’LAPD training officer said at the hearing he was having trouble readjusting, that he said his family noticed he had changed, and once he broke down crying. It appears Dorner and his attorney did not dispute this.

    Dorner was not an operator. The milblog “this ain’t hell” has the bare bones of his service record posted as gleaned from the S.D. U/T. The Coastal Riverine Det he was assigned to in Bahrain for his year overseas provides force pratection. It would have been part of the harbor defense command. This is an important jub but it’s not a combat assignment. If you go “outside the wire” you can catch a cab to downtown Manama and be there in minutes.

    As one would expect Dorner does not have a Combat Action Ribbon.

    As an unrestricted line officer with no warfare qualification he would have had no business driving the boats. Based on the fact he had come directly from the Coastal Riverine Group, which is the HQ command over the assigned squadrons, something tells me Dorner was assigned to the Det’s HQ element. Besides I don’t know what else you’d do with a non-warfare qualified URL officer except give him some admin job.

    All in all it lends credence to the LAPD’s charge that Dorner was making up the kicking charge to get revenge for a bad eval.

    Comment by Steve57 (7cc1ba) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:14 am

  187. Elephant Stone:

    Just as some on the left are not blaming Chris Dorner as much as they’re blaming the LAPD for “making Chris Dorner angry.”

    Who on the left is doing this?

    Ropelight:

    …but the Left believes Dorner’s story of how he got a raw deal from the LAPD and concludes that Dorner is somehow justified in his bloody rampage. Now, that’s just plain sick in the head.

    Who on the left believes this?

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:17 am

  188. Dorner loves Piers Morgan, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and killing people.

    Yes, but..he also liked George H.W. Bush (Bush 41) – but not 43. He says Bush 41 is his second
    favorite American president. (We don’t get to find out his favorite. Obama, because he’s black like him?)

    He likes Bill Cosby’s non political correctness.

    He was against boycotting Chick-A-Fil.

    And against Fareed Zakaria (because every word he heard from him was anti-America)

    He also said it was an honor to talk to Joe Scarborough about politics, family, and life. (if this actually happened in 2002, this was already after Scarborough had resigned from Congress)

    He also criticized Anderson Cooper for berating his guests. And cautions Piers Morgan on why people oppose him.

    He seems to think that killing a few innocent people doesn’t detract from his moral standing.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:20 am

  189. Who on the left is doing this?

    I’m sure you could find copious reading over at PuffHo.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:21 am

  190. Who on the left believes this?

    Are you playing stupid, or just completely unaware?

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:27 am

  191. It really doesn’t sound good to re-investigate the issue that caused his firing now, although there is natural curiosity as to whether there is any truth to his complaints. It probably would hinmge on who said what first.

    I cxan’t improve on a commment on this article:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-dorner-20130211,0,2498334.story?track=rss

    Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.”

    Dorner claims others lack ethics while he murders two innocent civilians who had absolutely nothing to do with his case. The LAPD may or may not have handled his case correctly, but that’s no excuse for murdering innocent civilians or cops that weren’t even remotely involved.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:28 am

  192. Kmart asked, Who on the Left believes this?

    Start with the link at Drudge: Support Growing for Ex-LAPD Accused of Killing Spree.

    Then follow the stench.

    Comment by ropelight (addfd8) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:35 am

  193. Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:27 am

    For kmart, “playing stupid” is a reality show.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/11/2013 @ 11:58 am

  194. Dorner also liked Chris Christie. And Jon Huntsman, whom he said was his candidate in 2012:

    I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party.

    He thinks David Petraeus shouldn’t have resigned.

    He also wants his brain preserved for science:

    If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual’s brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I’ve had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.

    He is sorry he is not going to live to see some television shows:

    It’s kind of sad I won’t be around to view and enjoy The Hangover III. What an awesome trilogy. Todd Phillips, don’t make anymore Hangovers after the third, takes away the originality of its foundation. World War Z looks good and The Walking Dead season 3 (second half) looked intriguing. Damn, gonna miss shark week.

    What’s shark week?

    He’s going to miss it? I guess the Discoverty Channel is not seen in hell.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 12:19 pm

  195. Ah, Kman’s old act: His ignorance is evidence of absence …

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/11/2013 @ 12:48 pm

  196. “It probably would hinmge on who said what first.”

    Sammy – It would probably hinge on whether there is any new information that was not considered in the first hearing process. So far I am unaware of anything new which improves Dorner’s case.

    Comment by daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:03 pm

  197. Kmart asked, Who on the Left believes this?

    Start with the link at Drudge: Support Growing for Ex-LAPD Accused of Killing Spree.

    Then follow the stench.

    So I did. And I couldn’t find anything that said that the LEFT supports Dorner (even Drudge doesn’t say that support is growing among the left).

    And since nobody else can point to anything where “the left” is blaming the LAPD and letting Dorner off the hook, I’ll just assume this is one of those unsupported right wing talking points that gets repeated in the echo chamber until it solidifies as “fact”.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:03 pm

  198. Kmart is thinking it is conservatives who are voicing their support of this killing spree on twitter. And creating websites that express support. Conservatives one and all.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:06 pm

  199. Amazing claim: I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD

    He cites Rabbi Abraham Schefres, a recruit at the same time he was there (mentioned here)

    http://bluecoat.wordpress.com/2006/05/01/look-who-fits-lapd-profile/

    ..as someoine he didn’t bully but defended. So here is Schefres’ opinion of him:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-had-history-of-complaints-against-fellow-lapd-officers.html

    Dorner was accused of punching a recruit in the chest while he was in the Police Academy in 2006. That recruit, Abraham Schefres, was wearing a bulletproof vest and a trauma plate, when Dorner allegedly punched him. After being hit, he glared at Dorner, whom Schefres said responded as though he had made a mistake, records show. Schefres said he believed that Dorner had not been trying to hurt him but that the punch was “more of a ‘hello’” and to appear tough.

    Schefres told an investigator that he “believed this was part of Dorner’s persona,” records show. Schefres described Dorner as “a hot head” who would walk up to fellow recruits and “get in their faces in an aggressive” but joking way.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:07 pm

  200. He thinks there’s black anti-white racism too:


    Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2′s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.

    The one person in the world who’s always right is Dorner.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:10 pm

  201. Kmart is thinking it is conservatives who are voicing their support of this killing spree on twitter. And creating websites that express support. Conservatives one and all.

    I don’t think they are conservative. I don’t know what they are. And neither do you — that’s my point.

    If I had to guess, I would suspect his supporters come from various points in the political spectrum, and some might not consider themselves either left or right.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:13 pm

  202. Here’s what they are – on an ill-informed hobbyhorse, and dumb to boot.

    Comment by SarahW (b0e533) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:18 pm

  203. I see Kmart is still living in denial. Yes, the left does synpathize with terrorists. You just have to see how they idolize Che to know that. Or how they stand in International Solidarity with Hamas and other Islamic terrorist groups and defend their attacks on civilians like bombing buses in Jerusalem as the only way the poor oppressed Arabs can fight the “western imperialists” and the Israeli “occopation.”

    Speaking of occupations, killing cops is a huge theme among the occupy crowd. During their various confrontatons with the cops in places like Oakland they chanted if not these exact words then words to the effect of “kill the cops” and carried signs saying the same thing. They opemly admired the Greek socialists who threw molotov cocktails at the riot police. If memory serves they emulated them and did the same in Oakland. It didn’it faze them one bit when the Greeks torched a bank and killed three people including a pregnant woman. Whon you’re trying to start the revolution you,ve got to break a few eggs. Besides they worked for the evil banksters, so in the immortal words of leftist blogger Marcos Moulitsas (commenting when an Iraqi mob killed some US contractors, burned their bodies, then hung them. From a bridge) ” f*** ‘em!”

    And leftist pols from Pelosi down to Oakland mayor Quan praised Occupiers. Hell, Quan’s husband and daighter joined them.

    Then there are the lawyers. Lefty lawyer Lynne Stewart is in prison for aiding and abetting her terrorst client’s terrrist activities by acting as his comms conduit. Then there are the GITMO lawyers who’ve also chosen sides; guards have found contraband communications that could only have reached the prisoners via their attorneys.

    Bill Ayers remins a campus lefty hero precisely because he’s an unrepentant domestic terrorist.

    I see Kmart did not forget any of this since he’d like to misdirect our attention to Obama and MSNBC’s reaction when Obama finally got around to ordering UBL kkilled. And away from the fact it isn’t just some leftist fringe that thinks Dorner is living the dream.

    Comment by Steve57 (0e996b) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:20 pm

  204. Well we consider how he has minimized Kimberlin’s malfeasance, and it all becomes clear.

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:25 pm

  205. Steve57 – don’t forget that kmart was the unpaid mouthpiece for Team BK.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:32 pm

  206. Supporters of Dorner?

    http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=229094&Posts=16

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:33 pm

  207. Brett has reformed himself, paid his debt to society. He is a reformed man just trying to live his life in peace, and if you would just leave him alone, he wouldn’t do the things he does to people.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:33 pm

  208. don’t forget that kmart was the unpaid mouthpiece for Team BK

    Attacking me doesn’t make your bogus “lefties support Dorner” assertion true; in fact, it just draws attention to the fact that you can’t support that assertion with, you know, actual evidence.

    Comment by Kman (5576bf) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:34 pm

  209. http://laist.com/2013/02/09/exes_call_christopher_dorner_parano.php

    After they broke up, [Ariana] Williams wrote a post about him on DontDateHimGirl.com, and Dorner filed a restraining order against her, according to court papers from 2006. Dorner claimed that Williams was harassing him and sent him a threatening letter to his home.

    The Associated Press obtained a copy of Williams’ posting on DontDateHimGirl.com through court documents. She posted his badge number and described him as “severely emotionally and mentally disturbed,” ”twisted” and “super paranoid.” She claims that Dorner hated himself for being black and at one point asked her to act more like a white woman. The post said, “Just be careful because this guy is a police officer and he will probably think that he can get away with anything. … If you value your sanity, stay away from this guy.”

    See also: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8986405 which has video wexceot that I can’t get any sound. (it’s a 2 min 45 second television news story)

    The next year (2007) he got married, but the marriage broke up very quickly.

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:42 pm

  210. O/T….
    A Chinese co-worker reminded me that it is the Chinese New Year.
    When I asked “what year is it”, I was told the “Year of the Snake”.

    Gee, I didn’t know they named Chinese New Year’s after the Obama Administration.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:48 pm

  211. Failure to Fire comic (warning language).

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:54 pm

  212. Sammy, do you have Dorner’s shoe size?

    Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:56 pm

  213. http://twitchy.com/2013/02/09/75-moral-cretins-who-think-christopher-dorner-is-a-hero/

    These are all conservatives.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:59 pm

  214. SPQR – 10 1/2. Look it up on the google.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:04 pm

  215. Knart, Obama’s campaign organizaation Organizing For America just trannorgified into a 501(c)(4) called Organizing For Action. Obama’s campaign manager Jim Messina heads the nrew non-profit, which exists soley to use Obama’s campaign apparatus to promote Obamaks agenda. Michelle spoke to them at their launch to tell them to keep working for change.

    They claim to be non-partisan. I guess now you’ll claim it’s impossible to determine their political leanings, too.

    Comment by Steve57 (0e996b) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:09 pm

  216. 212 Comment by SPQR (768505) — 2/11/2013 @ 1:56 pm

    Sammy, do you have Dorner’s shoe size?

    The police might, if they found a pair of his shoees at his mother’s home, or the time and place he bought a pair of shoes.

    At http://www.theavtimes.com/2013/02/07/public-safety-alert-murder-suspect-chris-jordan-dorner/

    A comment says:

    IF… Dorner’s home with his mommy was immediately searched and seized they would have Dorner’s shoe size and probably identical combat boots or tracks around his home that could have singled out his foot prints for trackers.

    I can’t see this being too useful.

    It might eliminate a set of footprints, after some time and careful measurement.

    Maybe the LAPD has that in its files.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/07/local/la-me-dorner-profile-20130207

    A few days into training, the recruits were explicitly told to only wear white or black shoes for a conditioning run, the officer said. Dorner, however, showed up in bright neon sneakers. “He thought he knew it all, that rules just kind of didn’t apply to him,” the officer said. “He was not a team player.”

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:09 pm

  217. I wonder – did Dornmer wait until the Superbowl was over?

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:10 pm

  218. Attacking me ….

    Wah. I am making an observation based on your actions. If it makes you uncomfortable, then maybe you should re-evaluate your choices.

    Comment by JD (b63a52) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:12 pm

  219. Let’s face it; it’s just impossible to determine Dorner’s fans’ politicd who love him because he’s a cop killer.

    Sure we all remember the tine the Obanas invited fellow TUCC member and Rev. Wright disciple rapper Common to a poetry fest at the WH. Who celebrates cop killers in general and Mumia in particular in his “poetry.”

    But let’s be fair and recall the time GWB invited conservative country stars, Ted Nugent, and Kid Rock to the WH after they released their “cop killer” collections.

    You do remember that, don’t you? Don’t you?

    Yeah, neither do I.

    But memory does serve to a certain extent. Occupy Oakland did chant “kill the police” and “f*** the police” as they threw rocks, lit flares, and molotov cocktails at them.

    But it’s impossible to determine the politics of these violent rioters. Who were organized and funded by unions and a variety of leftist groups as a anti-capitalst, anti-corporate astroturf movement.

    I’m sure it was the College Republicans shouting “f*** yhe police” and vandalizing bamks.

    Comment by Steve57 (aa0283) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:47 pm

  220. More typos than usual as I’m on my cell.

    Comment by Steve57 (e0237b) — 2/11/2013 @ 2:59 pm

  221. Wonderful, any more bright ideas, Chief Beck;

    http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0211/LAPD-review-of-Christopher-Dorner-firing-why-black-community-wants-more

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 3:26 pm

  222. I should probabably point this out before someone else does. Back in #186 I surmised that “Rambo” here was undoubtedly pushing papers at a desk in the ashore HQ element while deployed to Bahrain because a washed out aviator with no warfare qualifications would have no business driving those inshore/coastal patrol boats.

    A reading from the Book of Obvious: the fact he couldn’t steal a yacht because he couldn’t back it out of the slip without fouling the prop on a mooring line tells you he’s not a boat handler.

    Comment by Steve57 (0e996b) — 2/11/2013 @ 4:03 pm

  223. Good catch, Steve57.

    Comment by askeptic (b8ab92) — 2/11/2013 @ 4:07 pm

  224. Thanks. When I left active duty and went into the reserves at the 10 year point my second command was a Harbor Defense Command. Back then it was known as Naval Coastal Werfare. In addition to the type of unit I served in, which was a mobile command and control center, we had Mobile Inshore Undersea Warfare Units, which were and still are shore based commands that deployed sensors to detect subsurface threats such as combat swimmers (i.e. enemy SEAL types), submersibles, etc. Finally we had Inshore Boat Units that patrolled the harbor.

    I enjoyed that command and I’ve casually followed the changes as the IBUs received larger more capable craft (meaning thet provided an organic coastal patrol capability reducing the need to rely on the USCG to provide patrol boats) and as the acronyms changed, and consequently one thing bugs me about Dorners service record. Or at least how its being reported. He couldn’t have been assigned to a Coastal Riverine Det in 2006. That’s like talking about finding a 1949 Chevy Corvette. The Navy didn’t combine the Riverine Squadrons with the harbor defense-oriented Maritime Expeditionary Security Force (which is what the IBUs morphed into) until 2012.

    There was a det of some sort providing harbor patrol in Bahrain in 2006 when Dorney deployed. They kept changing the acronyms so I can’t be sure what it would have been. Naval Coastal Warfare Det; MESF Det; Dunno. What it wasn’t in 2006 was a Coastal Riverine Det.

    The rest of his record makes sense so I can only surmise someone is using the current terminology to talk about the predecessor commands.

    Comment by Steve57 (7cc1ba) — 2/11/2013 @ 6:45 pm

  225. I remember reading that profile in the Daily Breeze, and I wondered what that was about,

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 7:21 pm

  226. I think I understand what happeneed, narciso.

    I went back to the post at “this ain’t hell.” This was originally reported by a S.D. TV station (not the U/T). The station’s reporter had merely seen a copy of Dorner’s service record. I’ll bet working backwards from the reperter’s notes to reconstruct the list of Dorner’s duty assignments they did a google search to make sure they had the terminology correct. Viola, the 1949 Corvette is born.

    I’m sure they had no clue the names of some of those commands had changed. Which explains why part of Dorner’s record still makes sense.

    Comment by Steve57 (5374a9) — 2/11/2013 @ 7:53 pm

  227. Yeah, but they have this thing, called the intertubes, they could have checked, took about 5 seconds to find out there was no such outfit, or heck they could have actually called the Navy

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:01 pm

  228. The rest of his record makes sense so I can only surmise someone is using the current terminology to talk about the predecessor commands.

    Comment by Steve57 (7cc1ba) — 2/11/2013 @ 6:45 pm

    I can understand that as my old AF Command’s name was changed twenty years or so ago, as was my AFSC (fly-boy speak for MOS).

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:07 pm

  229. Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:01 pm

    Call the Navy?
    In San Diego?
    That would never happen.

    Comment by askeptic (2bb434) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:09 pm

  230. I know what was I thinking, this explains the AP pieces that misidentified as ex Army???

    Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:30 pm

  231. Gents, the journ-O-listas are our moral and intellectual betters. That’s what their perfessers at journalizm skrewel told them. They don’t call the neanderthals so we can explain things to them. They explaian things to us neanderthals.

    So you get things like the reporters at the Chicago Tribune explaining the AR-15 to its readership in pictures. And the caption on the arrow pointing at the underbarrel sling swivel? “Grenade launcher attachment.”

    The reporters, editors, and their armies of fact checkers gone into full “we didn’t really screw up we’re still the experts” mode over that one.

    Comment by Steve57 (e0237b) — 2/11/2013 @ 8:44 pm

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