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11/6/2012

Your Official Election Results Open Thread; UPDATE: Obama Re-Elected

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:01 pm

This is the place to discuss what’s happening. Give us updates and other thoughts in the comments!

UPDATE: I’m muting trolls and hecklers. There are a few comments like that early in the thread but I’m muting them now. I’m just not in the mood tonight. I want to be around friends right now.

UPDATE: Fox just called Ohio for Obama. Obama has been re-elected.

910 Responses to “Your Official Election Results Open Thread; UPDATE: Obama Re-Elected”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  2. Haven’t watched the teevee, anything important happen yet?

    By this time in 2000 they had already called Florida for Gore…

    Patterico (8b3905)

  3. Romney loses ‘home-state’ Massachusetts. ROFLMAO

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  4. people who are watching the msnbc are messaging me that romney is gonna lose but I like to think they’re wrong

    but bill o’reilly is already blaming the obnoxious jersey trash fat boy

    happyfeet (95509a)

  5. What were rthe actual results in Ohio in 2008?

    Paul Krugman noted.

    [E]ven Rasmussen is now showing Ohio tied

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  6. Romney loses ‘home-state’ Massachusetts. ROFLMAO

    Comment by DCSCA — 11/6/2012 @ 5:07 pm

    Sometimes it seems you want to prove you are a bigger moron than we give you credit for.

    JD (ac62a1)

  7. On Fox they’re giving the explanation why Romney lost before he loses.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  8. brit hume is blaming baby huey too

    happyfeet (95509a)

  9. ‘With friends like those,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  10. Obama will carry Florida and Ohio. Forget Penn. Romney needs to prepare that concession speech.

    The Emperor (5dd769)

  11. Apparently all of the trolls are out today.

    JD (ac62a1)

  12. In presser w/CNN on plane today, Romney rriticizes human beings: sez ‘they make mistakes.’ ROFLMAOPIP Them Beatles got a ticket to ride, eh? Poor Meatloaf. BTW, Willard, Perry Como called- he wants his cardigan back. Ward and June phoned in from TVLand and say they’re with ‘ya and when you lose, you can run for mayor of Pleasantville.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  13. basically christie flushed six years of romney’s life down the toilet like it was an empty snickers wrapper is the takeaway from foxnews

    happyfeet (95509a)

  14. 6.Romney loses ‘home-state’ Massachusetts. ROFLMAO
    Comment by DCSCA — 11/6/2012 @ 5:07 pm

    Sometimes it seems you want to prove you are a bigger moron than we give you credit for.
    Comment by JD — 11/6/2012 @ 5:09 pm

    – Some of us DO give him that much credit.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  15. Those Ohio numbers aren’t looking good.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  16. 10. Wishcasting.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  17. Step away from the bong, IMP

    JD (ac62a1)

  18. there’s a chipper blond lady on fox what says it’s still super close though

    happyfeet (95509a)

  19. Virginia looking good so far.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  20. 15. Whatcha lookin’ at? Not exits I trust.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  21. I’m going to go out on a limb and flip Illinois to Obama.

    Pious Agnostic (2c3220)

  22. Gary,

    I’m watching Fox.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  23. They are reporting official results. I think it showed 1/3 counted and Obama decidedly up. Forget the percentages. Flashed across the screen.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  24. LOL GOP blames God for throwing Sandy in Willard’s machinery. Poor Mitt. Two words he’d never thought he’d see together.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  25. They’re showing Akin ahead too.

    It’s early. None of this really means much at this point.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  26. He’s only up +1 in Ohio

    Icy (51e2f1)

  27. They haven’t reported republican strongholds Pat.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  28. They are reporting official results. I think it showed 1/3 counted and Obama decidedly up. Forget the percentages. Flashed across the screen.

    Where?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  29. They haven’t reported republican strongholds Pat.

    I figured as much. Like I said, it’s early.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  30. 24.LOL GOP blames God for throwing Sandy in Willard’s machinery. Poor Mitt. Two words he’d never thought he’d see together.
    Comment by DCSCA — 11/6/2012 @ 5:20 pm

    – Okay, perhaps I didn’t give him this ^^^ much credit.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  31. Early results depends on which precincts you count first.

    nk (875f57)

  32. At Hot Air it looks like Virginia is the concern right now.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  33. I’m happy to mute the trolls if enough people vote for it. I’m personally not much in the mood right now.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  34. Rupert’s Emergency Excuse when Mitt loses Ohio:
    ‘Buckeyes are useless nuts.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  35. They hold some precincts back looking to see how many more votes are needed, in Chicago.

    nk (875f57)

  36. Disco Stu just needs someone to lend him a brain. The one he got from Abby Normal ain’t workin’ so good.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  37. Mitt’s up by 15% in VA right now.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  38. 23. In OH those are the early votes cast b4 today.

    Ostensibly the Dhimmis only reserved 40-odd percent of their highly reliables for today, GOP had 80-odd in reserve.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  39. Put on a little Springsteen and weep.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  40. it’s hard to be objective cause of i hate Obama more than I hate osama bin hitler even

    happyfeet (95509a)

  41. 86 the trolls

    mg (31009b)

  42. Karl Rove sounding optimistic. Nice to have optimism from someone.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  43. 86 the trolls

    Do I hear a second?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  44. Too many blondes.

    mg (31009b)

  45. I SECOND

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  46. Scott Brown & Lieawatha in a dead heat.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  47. 24. Huffing kills stem cells, brain stem that is. Open a window Gollum.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  48. Any more votes to mute trolls?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  49. This will definitely be a close one.

    The RCP average (which averages polls) shows Obama doing worse than he did in 2008. That explains Rove’s optimism.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  50. I want to know what channel has election coverage by Science Fiction Theater 2012.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  51. 39.Put on a little Springsteen and weep.
    Comment by DCSCA — 11/6/2012 @ 5:26 pm

    – “Blinded By The Lightworker”?

    Icy (51e2f1)

  52. Mute trolls are almost as good as no trolls. yes.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  53. In OH polls do indicate GOP turnout up 20% over 2008, Dhimmis off 10%. No worries.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  54. George Allen leading Joe Biden’s buddy, “Tom” Kaine.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  55. #42- Catch Romney’s presser on the plane. He was less so; brave face on it but either fatigue or the sense of the inevitable was there, unspoken, of course. But blaming ‘human beings for making mistakes’ was quite the guffaw.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  56. Patterico: tell them to behave or leave. DCSCA is crazy, anyway.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  57. Emperor and DCSCA now gloating/trolling in moderation.

    Not in the mood.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  58. Not a permanent decision. Just not in the mood to put up with hecklers. I want to be with friends, period.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  59. Thanks, Patterico.

    SPQR (768505)

  60. YAYYYYYYYYYY

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  61. With VA and WI Romany only needs either of IA or NH. Its in the bag, we’re just looking for a death blow.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  62. I guess you were there, right, DCSCA? Shall we go over your many laughable stories about your supposed insightfulness? You, Emperor, and Nishi should start a tea emporium.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  63. Do that trick with the spam filter where it looks like their comments were posted but only they can see them?

    nk (875f57)

  64. CNN just called Patterico for sanity.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  65. GOP leading three House races in N.C.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  66. ____________________________________________

    If I despised the US, I’d hope for an outcome that was similar to what France experienced several months ago. IOW, leftism redux, and a bigger mess becomes gargantuan. So a large percent of the French public is now pissed because their Socialist prime minister has nudged their country closer to a Greece-like abyss.

    Idiocy on parade.

    Mark (66bba6)

  67. George Allen leading Joe Biden’s buddy, “Tom” Kaine.

    I do wish the Republicans had someone better than Allen.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  68. UPDATE: I’m muting trolls and hecklers. There are a few comments like that early in the thread but I’m muting them now. I’m just not in the mood tonight. I want to be around friends right now.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  69. I wonder how Ron Paul would have fared.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  70. Ay yai yai. Ron Paul.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  71. Need a third?

    Pious Agnostic (2c3220)

  72. Ron would be losing every single state.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  73. GOP leading in 9 out of 16 House races in Ohio.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  74. Pat how about setting up a live chat?

    Mattsky (406d10)

  75. ________________________________________

    This will definitely be a close one.

    The country displays ideological exhaustion and decadence if it should be anything less than a cakewalk for Romney.

    Mark (66bba6)

  76. Need a third?

    Nope. Seeing the moderated comments merely confirms my decision!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  77. You have to hand it to President Obama.

    thanks to him, workers at the TV stations can get some overtime.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  78. Thank you sir.

    Pious Agnostic (2c3220)

  79. Pat how about setting up a live chat?

    I think Cover It Live costs money now and I don’t know what other software to use. Just refresh this thread early and often.

    Anyway I can’t monitor a live thread. When Mrs. P. gets home we have to go vote!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  80. ABC News is already tossing their confetti.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  81. 58-68- Thanks Boss.

    mg (31009b)

  82. My daughter’s school (she’s in fifth grade) voted and it was 80% Obama. She voted for Obama, too.

    More or less verbatim conversation

    Me: Why Obama. What has he done for you?
    She: (Silence)
    Me: What has Obama done for you?
    She: (Low voice) I just want Obama.
    Me: Why? What good has he done you?
    She: I WANT OBAMA!

    nk (875f57)

  83. It’s your house, Patterico. Your rules. But do save their angry responses, so when they come back, you will perspective.

    Again: your house.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  84. North Carolina VERY close. Romney up SLIGHTLY.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  85. Florida numbers all over the place, Obama ahead slightly right now.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  86. Florida has to come in red.

    mg (31009b)

  87. This is crazier than betting the horses.

    mg (31009b)

  88. North Carolina is a must win.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  89. Florida will be a lot closer than last time.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  90. Florida’s panhandle not reporting much yet-republican stronghold they closed an hour later than the rest of Florida

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  91. Update: Rove thinks specific polling from specific Virginia precincts show good trend for Romney.

    Actually, Rove now also thinks Romney will win Florida (early vote now counted, rest of the sailing should be smooth) and pointed to bad turnout in Cuyhoga, and strong turnout in the neighboring Republican counties, to suggest Ohio’s looking good for Romney.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334713.php

    Colonel Haiku (7adb4c)

  92. _____________________________________________

    My daughter’s school (she’s in fifth grade)

    She at least can be excused. But what excuse do adults have for being liberal (ie, anyone older than, say, 30 and up)?

    Mark (66bba6)

  93. I feel like it’s a bad thing when elections become low points in a free nation.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  94. I voted at 5:00 EST; the place was fairly crowded and confused, what with the last minute rearrangement of polling places because of the storm. Once I found the correct line for my district there were only 4 or 5 people in front of me. Then, while I was filling in my ballot the size of the lines increased, with people coming in from work, and I helped the workers move a table for crowd control. There was a long line for the scanners for the regular voters at that place, but the scanners for voters moved from the armory had only about 3 people in front of me. I think maybe a lot of people who should have voted at the armory either didn’t get the message about the change until they got there, and then decided not to bother.

    I voted for Ryan and his running mate (on the Conservative line), Libertarian for Senate, and then down the Conservative line for all the other offices. Total time spent, including helping move the table: 20 min. Plus a 15-20 min walk each way.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  95. Message to DCSCA:

    1) This is not generally an echo chamber and you are not banned. However, I don’t feel like putting up with heckling tonight. So tonight, yeah, it’s an echo chamber. That’s what I want. You can call it “cowardice” if you like, but frankly, that’s the kind of crap I am looking to avoid tonight. I would not invite you to my house tonight and tonight this is my house and it’s friends and fellow travelers only.

    2) The crack about how I do my job (“even you could convict ___”) that I see in moderation is NOT designed to cause me to lift the moderation after tonight.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  96. Hey, Leviticus!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  97. Colonel:

    I hope Rove is right!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  98. Slam-dunk for Romney in Georgia.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  99. They’re still giving post-mortems on Fox as if Romney has lost.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  100. “Hey, Leviticus!”

    - Patterico

    Hiya, Patterico.

    Sorry I’ve been so bitchy on the other threads.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  101. I voted at 5:00 EST; the place was fairly crowded and confused, what with the last minute rearrangement of polling places because of the storm. Once I found the correct line for my district there were only 4 or 5 people in front of me. Then, while I was filling in my ballot the size of the lines increased, with people coming in from work, and I helped the workers move a table for crowd control. There was a long line for the scanners for the regular voters at that place, but the scanners for voters moved from the armory had only about 3 people in front of me. I think maybe a lot of people who should have voted at the armory either didn’t get the message about the change until they got there, and then decided not to bother.

    What state did you cast your ballot?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  102. IMP is going nutty, nuttier than squirrel poop. Telling other people to sober up. LOL

    JD (318f81)

  103. They’re still giving post-mortems on Fox as if Romney has lost.

    I wonder why. Obama is certainly doing worse than four years ago.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  104. Sorry I’ve been so bitchy on the other threads.

    I hadn’t noticed. I know you’re not for Romney. But I know you’ll respect the desire not to have heckling or gloating around here. I just don’t feel like fighting or ignoring people tonight.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  105. This is exciting and everything, but I still think that the truly vital battles over the national debt were fought and lost during the Reagan years. The last time Republicans controlled everything was the first two years of Bush’s second term–and the rise in red ink barely noticed. Returning to solvency will now be the work of multiple generations, not just multiple administrations. Which is to say, it won’t happen.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  106. Regardless of who wins, this isn’t a happy night for me.

    Unless the rest of New Mexico agrees with me that Zombie Ed Abbey should be our new Senator.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  107. I reserve the right to gloat if that happens. Otherwise I’ll have nothing to gloat about.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  108. ______________________________________

    I took some of my family’s meager savings out of mutual funds a few months ago. If Romney wins, I’ll feel less sure about my not having jumped the gun. If the disgrace now occupying the White House…. [I won't finish the thought because it makes me want to puke] But let’s just say that the second scenario will make me quite confident that I didn’t move a second too soon.

    Mark (66bba6)

  109. I voted for Jill Stein. I would’ve voted for her if I lived in Ohio, too.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  110. TSI,

    I have to say, I am pessimistic about that as well. All we can do is try to take one step at a time.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  111. Romney +9 in Virginia

    Icy (51e2f1)

  112. What state did you cast your ballot?

    Breuckelen, Niewe Holland.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  113. ROMNEY WINS TEXAS!!!!!!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  114. Yawn, they’re calling the obvious ones.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  115. ROMNEY WINS TEXAS!!!!!!

    Any news on Florida?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  116. Heh, they said they were projecting Obama would win . . . and Kentucky flashed up on the screen. As they finished the sentence: . . . New York.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  117. What about the various marriage laws on the ballots in Washington, Maine, Maryland, and Minnesota?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  118. They’re waiting on the big ones, Michael.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  119. The answer is: Roosevelt-Truman-Eisenhower.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  120. Heh, they said they were projecting Obama would win . . . and Kentucky flashed up on the screen. As they finished the sentence: . . . New York.

    What was the margin?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  121. Ed Rollins looks almost exactly like Mike from Breaking Bad.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  122. Mitt within 3,000 votes in Florida. Once he goes ahead he wins because republican strongholds only now beginning to report.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  123. Obama takes Michigan. No surprise.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  124. And Dana Perino is foxy as hell.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  125. Obama will lose in Indiana, and is losing in Virginia & North Carolina — three states that he carried in ’08.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  126. I forget, Michael. I just had weird heart palpitations from the very temporary shock.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  127. Ed Rollins looks almost exactly like Mike from Breaking Bad.

    Comment by Leviticus

    yeah… a shaved head and a grey goatee… close.

    Colonel Haiku (7adb4c)

  128. Here in Florida loser Connie Mack ran ads all week yoking Romney to his own extreme abortion views and contrasting them with Nelson/Obama

    I doubt it helped either of them

    happyfeet (95509a)

  129. And the question…rips envelope…If Obama is re-elected, it will be the first time three Presidents in a row were re-elected since…???

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  130. Obama will lose in Indiana, and is losing in Virginia & North Carolina — three states that he carried in ’08.

    How many more states can he lose before he, well, loses?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  131. Can I just say that “International Man of Parody” is a fantastic denigrating nickname? Who came up with that? I want to high-five that person.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  132. CNN predicts that Republicans will hold the House.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  133. Mack is as blancmange as they come pikachu, but he is focused on the spendings

    narciso (ee31f1)

  134. oh goody at least we’ll have boehner

    happyfeet (95509a)

  135. Can I just say that “International Man of Parody” is a fantastic denigrating nickname? Who came up with that? I want to high-five that person.

    Comment by Leviticus — 11/6/2012 @ 6:07 pm |Edit This

    I am taking a bow

    JD (318f81)

  136. JD originated it here.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  137. ______________________________________________

    Well, the parts of America that are headed in the same direction where Greece, France, Mexico and Argentina are going — on that road paved with good intentions — will eventually find self-destructive anomie can be a hellaciously hot place.

    Mark (66bba6)

  138. Jeez, Virginia people still voting.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  139. Rollins is an idiot, who destroyed his career for not being able to help bragging how he got Christie Whitman a handful of “black votes”.

    nk (875f57)

  140. msnbc should make a trade for a blonde female. they have neither.

    mg (31009b)

  141. Looks like the winner is going to be the Central Limit Theorem. #538

    freesilver (5d3910)

  142. no Mack was focused on the fetuses for reals

    he got some bad advice

    happyfeet (95509a)

  143. Romney supported. Watching FOX, they seem to be doing postmortem on Romney, it’s really depressing me.

    dudey (2bdb8d)

  144. 1944

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  145. Todd Akin losing to McCaskill. Ted Cruz gonna win in Texas!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  146. Jeez, Virginia people still voting.

    Were the lines long?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  147. Mitt takes lead in Florida

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  148. High f-in five, JD.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  149. Were the lines long?

    Very. That’s what they’re saying.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  150. Currently less than a 200 vote spread in Florida. (Mitt leading!)

    Patterico (8b3905)

  151. Very. That’s what they’re saying.

    Of course, i wonder if it is because of Republican turnout or Democratic turnout.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  152. This dude looks like a weatherman.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  153. “Regardless of who wins, this isn’t a happy night for me.”

    Same here.

    I’ve got a terrible toothache.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  154. 50-50 in Florida, according to ABC.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  155. No, pikachu, that’s a negatory, they focused on Nelson’s Obamacre vote

    narciso (ee31f1)

  156. If you really want to know who won, check for riots, looting, and arsons, on Chicago’s West side, tomorrow.

    nk (875f57)

  157. Obama wins Pennsylvania. 67% to 31% with 7% reporting. How they project it with 7% in, I’m not sure.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  158. And the question is….

    …when was the last time a sitting President was re-elected with fewer electoral votes than he won in the previous election?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  159. 140.msnbc should make a trade for a blonde female. they have neither.
    Comment by mg — 11/6/2012 @ 6:11 pm

    What do you call Chrissie Matthews — chopped liver?

    Icy (51e2f1)

  160. Obama wins Pennsylvania. 67% to 31% with 7% reporting. How they project it with 7% in, I’m not sure.

    What margin did they project?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  161. Glad I voted last Tuesday during early voting week. Was in & out in less than fifteen minutes.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  162. Beckel talks about another Florida recount.

    *shakes head*

    Patterico (8b3905)

  163. And Patterico with the link. Beautiful.

    Leviticus (17b7a5)

  164. What margin did they project?

    Didn’t say. Turn on your TV, man! Let’s all watch this together!

    Although I will be in your position very soon: asking everybody what the TV says. Because I’ll be out voting.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  165. As long as there are people in line to vote, you do not close the doors of the polling place, even if the line does not extend outside the doors. FWIW.

    nk (875f57)

  166. Obama wins Pennsylvania. 67% to 31% with 7% reporting. How they project it with 7% in, I’m not sure.
    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012 @ 6:16 pm

    I don’t believe it.

    I think I’m going to go to bed and check later. G’night.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  167. FLORIDA: NBC’s Chuck Todd: Sources On Both Sides Expect Romney To Win Florida By Under 100k.

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/157184/

    Colonel Haiku (7adb4c)

  168. maybe they just did fetuses on the radio… I mostly listen to country music lately

    happyfeet (95509a)

  169. Watch, they will take PA off the called list.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  170. Oh good. Alan Grayson is back in Congress.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  171. Fox says we keep the House.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  172. Watch, they will take PA off the called list.

    What makes you think that?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  173. So far I have not been surprised by a single thing.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  174. GOP wins House. Will Pelosi remain minority leader?

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  175. Watching MadCow is painful.

    JD (318f81)

  176. except for taylor swift annoys me to where I try to have a backup country station for when either she comes on or that insipid if I could have a beer with jesus song

    happyfeet (95509a)

  177. Except not seeing DRJ here.

    Haven’t seen Stash around either.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  178. _____________________________________________

    The Rasumussen Poll, which I do take seriously, is one reason I’m not watching any talking heads, on Fox or elsewhere, this evening.

    Let’s just say that for a character along the lines of who’s now in the White House to receive even a fraction of the benefit of the doubt from even a fraction of the public speaks to me of the phrase of the Roman Empire when bread-and-circus effeteness and greedy torpor were in their ascendancy.

    Mark (66bba6)

  179. Grayson, f me.

    mg (31009b)

  180. Only 1% reporting, but Romney leading in Wisconsin.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  181. Haven’t seen Stash around either.
    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012 @ 6:23 pm

    Haven’t seen him around for quite a while, myself.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  182. DRJ specifically asked everybody to come make the comments

    happyfeet (95509a)

  183. We lose Wisconsin. Ouch.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  184. Let’s just say that for a character along the lines of who’s now in the White House to receive even a fraction of the benefit of the doubt from even a fraction of the public speaks to me of the phrase of the Roman Empire when bread-and-circus effeteness and greedy torpor were in their ascendancy.

    The network broadcast and print media has his back.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  185. Oh, damn, PA gone and now WI. I am suddenly not feeling so good.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  186. Geeze, Fox calls Wisconsin for Obama. I have a bad feeling about this.

    JVW (f5695c)

  187. I don’t like the momentum we’re seeing.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  188. We lose Wisconsin. Ouch.

    How did they predict Wisconsin so early? The polls closed less than half an hour ago.

    It should have been close.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  189. I am still optimistic about Florida. But not so much about Ohio based on these other states.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  190. Ryan couldn’t deliver Wisconsin?

    is there time for a second look at Portman?

    happyfeet (95509a)

  191. How did they predict Wisconsin so early? The polls closed less than half an hour ago.

    to compare, in 2008 Obama won Wisconsin by over ten points.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  192. Oh good. Alan Grayson is back in Congress.

    Sigh.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  193. I hate election nights.
    Sitting, waiting, and wondering if you ought to have attempted to vote in another 5 or 6 precincts in addition to the 10 that you’ve already voted in.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  194. Heh.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  195. How did they predict Wisconsin so early? The polls closed less than half an hour ago.

    The world is being run by numbers guys. They know that in such-and-such county, Romney needs to have 1,245 more votes than Obama, so if Romney only has 986 more votes then they extrapolate it across the whole state. I don’t like the way this leads to early calls, but they are usually right (at least in the post-2000 era).

    JVW (f5695c)

  196. The world is being run by numbers guys. They know that in such-and-such county, Romney needs to have 1,245 more votes than Obama, so if Romney only has 986 more votes then they extrapolate it across the whole state. I don’t like the way this leads to early calls, but they are usually right (at least in the post-2000 era).

    The last round pre-election polls showed Wisconsin to be close.

    Should it not have meant that the state could not be called, either way, until at least 10 PM CST?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  197. Still nothing critical called.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  198. Oh good. Alan Grayson is back in Congress.

    Yeah, Democrats and Republicans will work together to solve our problems in the coming years.

    JVW (f5695c)

  199. I hate election nights. Sitting, waiting, and wondering if you ought to have attempted to vote in another 5 or 6 precincts in addition to the 10 that you’ve already voted in.

    God, yes!

    Dana (292dcf)

  200. Agreed, Michael. But pre-election polls and actual votes are two different things. Don’t get me wrong, I hope the numbers guys blew this one, but I am guessing they did not.

    JVW (f5695c)

  201. Allahpundit: “OH + FL + VA + one other state.” That’s what Mitt needs.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  202. Still nothing critical called.

    Were not Wisconsin and Pennsylvania critical?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  203. Were not Wisconsin and Pennsylvania critical?

    Those were always longshots.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  204. Out of seven million votes tallied, Romney leads in Florida by 600.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  205. Agreed, Michael. But pre-election polls and actual votes are two different things. Don’t get me wrong, I hope the numbers guys blew this one, but I am guessing they did not.

    True, and the RCP site to which I linked clearly showed a trend of Obama underperforming as compared to 2008. And I do not know of any event which would have caused a huge electoral shift in favor of Obama between Saturday and today.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  206. Watching Dick Durbin talk about how more bipartisanship is needed in Congress made me hurl.

    JD (318f81)

  207. Romney beating McCain’s vote % in Connecticut,Delaware, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island & Vermont. Not saying he’s gonna win any of those states; just sayin’ that he’s doing better than McCain did 4 years ago.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  208. Were not Wisconsin and Pennsylvania critical?
    Comment by Michael Ejercito — 11/6/2012 @ 6:33 pm

    I don’t think so. I think for them to go for Romney would have made it easy for him, but they were not on the necessary list.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  209. Those were always longshots.

    I guess. Romney did have to outperform McCain by double digits to even have a chance.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  210. the rape baby candidates are really having a hard time

    puzzling

    happyfeet (95509a)

  211. Romney beating McCain’s vote % in Connecticut,Delaware, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island & Vermont. Not saying he’s gonna win any of those states; just sayin’ that he’s doing better than McCain did 4 years ago.

    It is consistent with what the polls showed in the final days of the campaign. Romney will definitely win some states that Obama won in ’08.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  212. Out of seven million votes tallied, Romney leads in Florida by 600.

    If Florida remains tight and the panhandle is in position to push Romney over the top, watch for a bunch of uncounted votes to suddenly be “discovered” in Democrat precincts.

    JVW (f5695c)

  213. I’m terrible at political forecasting because I thought Romney would win more of these swing states. At this point, I just hope Romney wins.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  214. Is Barone on life support?

    mg (31009b)

  215. It’s all Ohio.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  216. And Mourdock goes down to the fake “blue dog”.

    OMFG the stupid bint on FOX claimed Mourdock said rape was God’s will. What a lying liar. Did normal people really think he said that?!

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  217. Hi, DRJ! Good to see you here!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  218. Unfortunately, JVW, I think some of the big Florida counties like Miami-Dade and Broward are still outstanding. Hopefully there are enough of the others left to counteract them.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  219. Calling Wisconsin this early is an absolute joke. Only 2% of precincts have reported.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  220. OMFG the stupid bint on FOX claimed Mourdock said rape was God’s will. What a lying liar. Did normal people really think he said that?!

    Yes.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  221. The way things are trending, I have a bad feeling that Scott Brown is going to lose to Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts. Never let a Massachusetts liberal try to claim that what they want to see is bipartisanship in Washington.

    JVW (f5695c)

  222. How did people come to think that? This is the first time I heard anyone make such a stupid claim.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  223. NBC is calling MA Senate for Elizabeth Warren. Having a GOP Senator here in MA didn’t last very long.

    Mattsky (406d10)

  224. This is absolutely nerve-wracking.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  225. I need fresh air and a smoke!!

    mg (31009b)

  226. And Mourdock goes down to the fake “blue dog”.

    The only good thing is that if Obama remains committed to a left-wing agenda and if Harry Reid continues to be Harry Reid, don’t be surprised of this Donnelley character switches over to the GOP in order to save his political rear-end.

    JVW (f5695c)

  227. The way things are trending, I have a bad feeling that Scott Brown is going to lose to Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts.

    Against any other Democrat, it should not even have been close.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  228. I mean, yeah, everything that happens is God’s will, but Mourdock didn’t say that, and I have no idea whether he believes it. All he said was that every baby is God’s will, which surely every non-atheist believes.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  229. The only good thing is that if Obama remains committed to a left-wing agenda and if Harry Reid continues to be Harry Reid, don’t be surprised of this Donnelley character switches over to the GOP in order to save his political rear-end.

    Nah, he’s not a real blue dog. He just campaigned that way.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  230. They’re giving a lot of time to Portman, but it’s all spin.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  231. CBS is calling NH for Obama.

    Mattsky (406d10)

  232. Is there any doubt Nevada will go Obama?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  233. if romney wins he sure won’t have won much of a mandate to make the hard choices

    america is really screwed like when you tumble into an african painted dog exhibit except with more inflation

    happyfeet (95509a)

  234. __________________________________________

    The accuracy of the various polls are being put to the test this evening. That’s what is shaping my impressions of what this election symbolizes, and, of course, what the voters in an industrialized Western society are all about in the 21st century.

    Mark (66bba6)

  235. CBS is calling NH for Obama.

    Not good.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  236. And Baldwin wins. Damn damn damn damn damn.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  237. The only good thing is that if Obama remains committed to a left-wing agenda and if Harry Reid continues to be Harry Reid, don’t be surprised of this Donnelley character switches over to the GOP in order to save his political rear-end.

    Never. He is a reliable Dem vote, just like Bayh was. He will go to Washington and be a rubber stamp for the big Dem issues, and vote off from the party a few times so he can come home and campaign as a moderate. but when it matters, he will be a puppet for Ried just like he was for Pelosi.

    JD (318f81)

  238. Is there any doubt Nevada will go Obama?

    Yes.

    There is no doubt it will be closer.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  239. Baldwin over Thompson for Wisconsin Senator. Looks like the Democrats did a fantastic job of getting out the vote this year. A motivated GOP vote counts only as much as an unmotivated Democrat vote.

    JVW (f5695c)

  240. JD, just so you know I’m not throwing in the towel yet. But I’ve got to hand it to you; there are a lot more people bent on national suicide than I suspected.

    Steve57 (320590)

  241. And Josh Mandel goes down. He was one of the good ones.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  242. Ace suggests Wisconsin may have been called too early.

    Dana (292dcf)

  243. 19,000 vote gap in Virginia with Obama ahead. 84% of the vote in.

    Mitt needs Virginia.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  244. A motivated GOP vote counts only as much as an unmotivated Democrat vote.

    Why would the reverse not be true too?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  245. Never. He is a reliable Dem vote, just like Bayh was. He will go to Washington and be a rubber stamp for the big Dem issues, and vote off from the party a few times so he can come home and campaign as a moderate. but when it matters, he will be a puppet for Ried just like he was for Pelosi.

    I don’t know, JD. The same thing could have been said about Ben Nighthorse Campbell in Colorado or about Jim Jeffords in Vermont, but they got into snits with their party leadership and made the jump. I am sure Donnelly is enough of a career-minded pol to keep the option open.

    JVW (f5695c)

  246. Ace suggests Wisconsin may have been called too early.

    I can understand. Wisconsin being far closer than it was four years ago, and calling it for Obama less than half an hour after the polls close?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  247. I hope you are right, JVW, but you aren’t. He is following the exact path Bayh did, without the name recognition.

    JD (318f81)

  248. Even after the dismal results of the past 4 years, this shows there are a lot of Americans who think Obama and his policies are the answer.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  249. Why would the reverse not be true too?

    Indeed, why wouldn’t it? My point is that where Democrats were highly motivated in 2008, they are less so this time around, but they are nevertheless showing up at the polls to dutifully cast their votes for four more years of Obama and the rest of the Democrat ticket.

    JVW (f5695c)

  250. IMP knows it’s comments are in moderation, and he has now shifted to ALL CAPS for it’s most recent of 10 comments. Hysterical.

    JD (318f81)

  251. NYT keeping WI 52% Obama lead, not a win.

    Dana (292dcf)

  252. plus this validates the obamawhore candy crowley media like a warm hug from your mom

    happyfeet (95509a)

  253. Allahpundit: “If Romney doesn’t hold on in Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina and win Ohio and Iowa or Colorado, he’s done.”

    Patterico (8b3905)

  254. It looks like Romney is going to need run Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, and Florida to win.

    Mattsky (406d10)

  255. Brown should have ran as a independent.

    mg (31009b)

  256. Lieawatha called.

    JD (318f81)

  257. JD, what was your favorite self-aggrandizing tall tale by that lunatic? Sniffing Rush Limbaugh’s armpits? Or lounging about in his underwear with Werner von Braun?

    Folks those are just two of the stories by that character.

    Simon Jester (353f27)

  258. bye bye cosmo boy

    happyfeet (95509a)

  259. I’m out to vote. Will watch on phone. Post comments if anything big happens.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  260. If a convoy of buses is running across the Potomac bridges from DC to Northern Virginia bringing in Obama re-voters then the decision to keep the polls in Virginia open so those already in line can vote makes sense.

    ropelight (5cc6b1)

  261. Even after the dismal results of the past 4 years, this shows there are a lot of Americans who think Obama and his policies are the answer.

    And maybe a lot of Americans who know nothing about Obama or his policies, but are conditioned to think the young, hip, biracial candidate is the cool choice for President. Jessica Alba and Beyonce told them so.

    JVW (f5695c)

  262. Just how smart is this 20-somethings generation voting for a massive albatross of debt hanging around their necks for the rest of their lives?

    Dana (292dcf)

  263. Any news on Iowa? the polls closed nearly an hour ago and it should be much closer than last time.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  264. it’s a big debt but it’s not so bad when you get to repay it with bernanke dollars is my understanding

    happyfeet (95509a)

  265. Milhouse,

    While Mourdock was unfairly smeared with words taken out of context, I have to say, I don’t understand why some of the evangelicals running for political office insist upon walking the highwire by making nuanced statements about rape, conception, and God.

    This was an election to win by appealing to people’s pocketbooks, and the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks of the world played right into the hands of the Democrats by breathing life into unnecessary distractions.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  266. Greece, Here we come.

    mg (31009b)

  267. My point is that where Democrats were highly motivated in 2008, they are less so this time around, but they are nevertheless showing up at the polls to dutifully cast their votes for four more years of Obama and the rest of the Democrat ticket.

    It is closer though, and the minority of Democrats who refuse to show up may make the difference.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  268. And maybe a lot of Americans who know nothing about Obama or his policies, but are conditioned to think the young, hip, biracial candidate is the cool choice for President. Jessica Alba and Beyonce told them so.

    Ding ding ding.

    I say this in all sincerity. If the MFM played it straight down the middle, how do you think these things would play out differently?

    JD (318f81)

  269. While Mourdock was unfairly smeared with words taken out of context, I have to say, I don’t understand why some of the evangelicals running for political office insist upon walking the highwire by making nuanced statements about rape, conception, and God.

    How exactly could forcing pregnant rape victims to give birth be a winning political issue?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  270. nicely said Mr. Stone

    happyfeet (95509a)

  271. If the MFM played it straight down the middle, how do you think these things would play out differently?

    The election would not be close.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  272. Fauxcahontas pulling away from Brown in MA.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  273. Just how smart is this 20-somethings generation voting for a massive albatross of debt hanging around their necks for the rest of their lives?

    But Dana, they get free birth control and Obama is promising to freeze college tuition so that they don’t have to pay so much to take “Hip Hop Poetry” and “Vampire Eroticism as Portrayed in Movies and on Television.”

    JVW (f5695c)

  274. _____________________________________________

    this shows there are a lot of Americans who think Obama and his policies are the answer.

    I often mention the voting habits of the electorate in other countries because human nature, regrettably, is more alike than different throughout much of the world. That’s why I don’t think it’s presumptuous to imagine that an odd blend of an Islamicized Middle East, an amoral China (ie, PRC), an equally amoral Russia, combined with an increasingly effete Western or industrialized World (including tired off-shoots like Japan) makes the future very tenuous, or perhaps noticeably chaotic and dark.

    Mark (66bba6)

  275. Even after the dismal results of the past 4 years, this shows there are a lot of Americans who think Obama and his policies are the answer.
    Comment by DRJ — 11/6/2012 @ 6:50 pm

    It shows a lot of people don’t know any better, and even if they are paying attention they are paying attention to people who mislead them.

    If the one wins, instead of having more domestic energy production, more jobs, and cheaper gas and electricity, we will have the opposite of all of that, by December.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  276. mittens and ryan were shut out in there own states. mitt had 3 home states. you guys suck.

    mg (31009b)

  277. Elephant Stone @266, generally it’s because it’s because they get ambushed by the press. If you’re an evangelical then the MFM tries to get some gotcha soundbite.

    Steve57 (320590)

  278. Fauxcahontas pulling away from Brown in MA.

    On the other hand, had the Dems nominated even an average candidate, the election would have been called within fifteen minutes.

    Brown was an abberation; almost everyone knew that.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  279. JD, don’t forget Springsteen and Jay-z at Madison yesterday, too. It’s unbelievable to think that cool determines who the president is these days.

    Dana (292dcf)

  280. But I thought the show in Madison was a relative bust, and Madison was going to vote Obama anyway.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  281. Elephant Stone @266, generally it’s because it’s because they get ambushed by the press. If you’re an evangelical then the MFM tries to get some gotcha soundbite.

    Steve57,

    This may be so, but it’s no excuse. Everyone knows that’s the game. So an evang or conservative better know how to be discreet, discerning and damn prudent every time they open their mouths.

    Dana (292dcf)

  282. There’s nothing nuanced about every child being God’s creation. He was asked the question in the debate — what should he have said?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  283. how long til Christie flips to D officially I wonder

    happyfeet (95509a)

  284. But I thought the show in Madison was a relative bust, and Madison was going to vote Obama anyway.

    The lesson we are learning is that unlike 2008, people didn’t care enough to drag themselves out in the cold to see Obama, but they cared enough to get out and cast their vote for them. I think our side assumed that Obama’s election turn-out would be far less.

    JVW (f5695c)

  285. There’s nothing nuanced about every child being God’s creation. He was asked the question in the debate — what should he have said?

    Say it is a tough decision.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  286. How exactly could forcing pregnant rape victims to give birth be a winning political issue?

    How exactly can a decent person say it’s OK to murder someone just because her father was a criminal?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  287. Mitt is up 53-46 in Wisconsin. Hard to see why they’re calling it the other way.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  288. The lesson we are learning is that unlike 2008, people didn’t care enough to drag themselves out in the cold to see Obama, but they cared enough to get out and cast their vote for them. I think our side assumed that Obama’s election turn-out would be far less.

    How far less did they predict the turnout to be? A drop of 25% would have been a very generous estimate.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  289. how long til Christie flips to D officially I wonder

    Nah. He knows that the party is run by the public employee unions, and if he tried to switch they would exact revenge. It’s more likely that he actually accentuates his GOP credentials, so that he can position himself as a 2016 Presidential candidate.

    JVW (f5695c)

  290. Mitt is up 53-46 in Wisconsin. Hard to see why they’re calling it the other way.

    It should be uncalled.

    At best for Obama, he wins by three points.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  291. 286.Oh look at the cry baby deleting posts. What’s the over/under for when you get canned from your job?
    Comment by YouSuck — 11/6/2012 @ 7:05 pm

    – Just when we thought that the SWATerazis had quit . . .

    Icy (51e2f1)

  292. How exactly can a decent person say it’s OK to murder someone just because her father was a criminal?

    Pat Hines said something similar about Fat Man and Little Boy.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  293. How exactly could forcing pregnant rape victims to give birth be a winning political issue?

    How exactly can a decent person say it’s OK to murder someone just because her father was a criminal?

    Milhouse, while I completely agree with your view, as a response it is a very hard sell in today’s politics – especially in a debate.

    Dana (292dcf)

  294. he has no future in the r party at the national level

    but then the r party may not have any future at the national level either

    happyfeet (95509a)

  295. christie bent over to the other side when sandy checked in.

    mg (31009b)

  296. Comment by JVW — 11/6/2012 @ 7:05 pm

    That may well be a very accurate assessment.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  297. The Japanese nation was at war with the USA. War is fought on a retail level, between nations, not individuals. There is no comparison to executing a child for her parent’s crime.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  298. If Obama wins this, he will spend four years on policy to change Florida and North Carolina to permanent blue as he seems to have done with Ohio by his loveapalooza to the unions. He’ll figure a way to checkmate any 2016 move for the GOP. Combine that with demography not favorable to the GOP and this country is permanently changed. We are all California.

    PC14 (87cbf8)

  299. Steve57,

    The fact that the MSM are hiding in the bushes waiting to ambush evangelicals is precisely why they need to have a rehearsed script in their head about what exactly to say about abortion, and how to pivot away from that question right into a message about the economy.

    I really believe there’s a slightly provacative impulse among some evangelicals to say too much about social issues, and then dare the electorate to reject them.

    This was a pocketbook election to win. Economy. Economy. Economy.

    The Democrats are all so good at being discreet about their controversial positions—why can’t we ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  300. ____________________________________________

    played right into the hands of the Democrats by breathing life into unnecessary distractions.

    That makes me think of the various political analysts (both Republicans and Democrats) who’ve said even a glint of anti-illegal-immigration sentiment is the reason the Republican Party isn’t doing better with Latinos. But such observers fail to note that the leftwing in countries like Mexico do very well, decade after decade. So is that situation in those countries due to the way their rightwing is caught up in “bashing of illegals!”?

    Mark (66bba6)

  301. There is no comparison to executing a child for her parent’s crime.

    The child is being killed for being an intruder.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  302. Milhouse, while I completely agree with your view, as a response it is a very hard sell in today’s politics – especially in a debate.

    It may be a tough sell, but what else can a decent person say? How can it be controversial that every pregnancy is God’s doing? What non-atheist believes otherwise?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  303. How exactly can a decent person say it’s OK to murder someone just because her father was a criminal?

    You’re absolutely right, Milhouse, but the problem is that Akin and Murdock acted as if they had not anticipated that this question would ever be asked. I mean, my God, how could a pro-life candidate not have a very well-rehearsed answer to a question about abortion in the case of rape and incest? Akin and Murdock are probably decent and honest men, but I am afraid that they probably would not have made good senators if they couldn’t even prepare themselves for this obvious question.

    JVW (f5695c)

  304. Early results from Iowa not good.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  305. there is no we, comrade.

    mg (31009b)

  306. @259- no doubt the same could be said of FDR’s first of four terms after the Harding/Cooledge/Hoover mess came crashing down. Reversing thirty years of trickldown economics will take more than four years.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  307. but then the r party may not have any future at the national level either’

    Then should not Obama be doing better than he did in 2008?

    Iowa should have been called for him an hour ago if what you write is true.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  308. The child is being killed for being an intruder.

    Pick an argument. Now you’re switching from war to trespass?! There is no right to kill a trespasser. Not in any civilised country in the world.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  309. It may be a tough sell, but what else can a decent person say?

    Since when did “decency” (as you define it) win elections?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  310. Dana @282, I would agree (and I expected someone to point out that they should be ready for the question, which is true) except that’s awfully tough to do in world where, say, Mitt Romney issues a statement criticizing the Cairo embassy for apologizing for the first amendment.

    And the press reports he was criticizing King Putt’s response to the attack on the consulate in Benghazi.

    One in which President Tiger Beat uses the term revenge. And the press says both campaigns are talking about revenge.

    One in which the Catholic Church protests the mandate that they pay for contraceptives, sterilization, and abortifacients. And conservatives stand up for religious freedom. And the press reports conservatives are trying to ban contraceptives in a “war on women.”

    I don’t know what slick poll-tested answer an evengelical could have in his back pocket about what he or she believes that wouldn’t be reported as “stupid hick thinks Earth 4000 years old and Jesus rode dinosaurs.”

    Steve57 (320590)

  311. There is no right to kill a trespasser.

    Castle Doctrine

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  312. Nice how teh stalker waited until Mr. Frey announced his temporary departure before spilling his bile.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  313. Any word on the marriage referenda?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  314. Comment by Icy — 11/6/2012 @ 7:17 pm
    I thought that also.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  315. Akin got the science wrong. He was caught repeating a scientific hypothesis that has been disproven, not knowing it. He should have been more familiar with the science before repeating it. But I can’t for the life of me imagine what Mourdock said wrong, or what else he could have said. Or how anyone but the most militant atheist could object to it. Which is why I was shocked when that cow on FOX lied her face off and said he had said rape was God’s will. I can see how some people might disagree with that.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  316. there is no r in sight what can beat Hillary in 2016 is what we’ve learned tonight Mr. Ejercito

    happyfeet (95509a)

  317. Abortion is one of the mercifully few national issues in which our ideals of liberty and morality are in direct conflict.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  318. Since when did “decency” (as you define it) win elections?

    If only indecent people win elections what’s the point?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  319. , I have to say, I don’t understand why some of the evangelicals running for political office insist upon walking the highwire by making nuanced statements about rape, conception, and God.

    This was an election to win by appealing to people’s pocketbooks, and the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks of the world played right into the hands of the Democrats by breathing life into unnecessary distractions.

    Comment by Elephant Stone — 11/6/2012 @ 6:57 pm

    This is wise.

    I find abortion to be abhorrent, and I can understand the difficulty resisting using the spotlight to really express that, but politicians need to be politically savvy or all their effort are for nothing. A democrat winning because the republican was outspoken on controversy does not help the cause.

    Dustin (73fead)

  320. Dana @300, I think my response @310 still applies. But Democrats aren’t really slick at hiding their beliefs. They don’t need to be; the MFM does that for them.

    60 Minutes sat on the tape of Obama refusing to call the attack on Benghazi a coordinated terrorist attack to advance his narrative.

    I believe the LAT still has the video of Obama praising former PLO spokesman Rasheed Khalidi locked in their vault.

    They aren’t better at hiding their believes. They just have a larger propaganda wing.

    Steve57 (320590)

  321. ______________________________________________

    The Democrats are all so good at being discreet about their controversial positions—why can’t we ?

    Huh? They’ve taken issues like same-sex marriage and a variety of nanny-state restrictions and other nuisances embraced by the left and raised them up a flagpole. And then demanded that we all salute what’s flying on that mast.

    Mark (66bba6)

  322. Don’t blame the SoCons. BHO commands a cult of personality. To Dems, leftists, greens and laborites, he can do no wrong. I know a bunch of BHO fans in my offline life, and they all give him a complete pass on the economy. The only thing they hold against him is the drone strikes on jihadis (“it’s f*cking _murder_, man!”) and the crackdown on marijuana dispensaries. That’s what we’re dealing with in America now. Game over.

    I’m gonna sign up for SNAP now. Maybe try for Social Security disability. Why not? Everybody’s cool with it.

    gp (0c542c)

  323. When the politician with the most radical pro-abortion/infanticide view gets a pass on his views by the press and the public it is just wrong.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  324. N.E. conservatives are never a good idea.

    mg (31009b)

  325. Those who cast the ballots decide nothing, those who count the ballots decide everything.

    Joseph Stalin

    ropelight (5cc6b1)

  326. There is no right to kill a trespasser.

    Castle Doctrine

    Bulldust. ANd you know it. You are a conscienceless liar. Or a bloodthirsty monster. Or both. There is no place in the civilised world where you can get away with killing a trespasser whom you know is putting you in no danger.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  327. IMP sniffed Werner Von Braun’s jockstrap

    JD (318f81)

  328. blah blah blah exurban counties it’s a barnburner blah blah

    happyrove (95509a)

  329. Steve57,

    I think the evangs and most conservatives are untiringly passionate in their loathing of abortion. And that’s precisely what gets them in trouble – a strong passion that gets in the way of being savvy to the never-ending traps. Passion must be curtailed and controlled – even with, and especially because of the awfulness of abortion.

    I don’t know what the scripted answer should be but the candidate better know what it is and have it seared through their brain and very being.

    Dana (292dcf)

  330. GOP winning open-seat Senate races in 8 states.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  331. I’m sorry to be a downer, guys, but I am now thinking that Ohio and Virginia are likely lost and Obama is reelected. I am going to try to comfort myself with some silver linings. They are as follows:

    1. Now maybe the media will take an interest in what happened in Benghazi.
    2. Maybe someone will suggest to Obama that he prod Harry Reid and his Senate allies to produce a budget.
    3. Maybe the media will start criticizing Obama for going on The View and Letterman, but not holding a White House press conference.
    4. Perhaps Obama still thinks that he is successful when he goes on the road to sell his policy initiatives.
    5. Perhaps Democrats still think that Bill Clinton really helps out the party’s candidates by appearing for them, despite 2000, 2004, and 2010.

    JVW (f5695c)

  332. After hours markets are not happy at all.

    SPQR (768505)

  333. Milhouse,

    The proof is in the pudding.
    Indiana and Missouri are generally GOP-leaning states where a pro-life Senate candidate can win. Romney will win both of those states.

    Obviously, Akin and Mourdoch turned off a lot of voters if they managed to seize defeat from the jaws of victory to a couple of knuckleheads such as McCaskill and Donnelley.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  334. JVW,

    Ricochet has Ten Reaosns to Be Happy if Obama Wins.

    Dana (292dcf)

  335. It ain’t over till the fat lady sings, JVW.

    nk (875f57)

  336. Don’t blame the SoCons. BHO commands a cult of personality. To Dems, leftists, greens and laborites, he can do no wrong. I know a bunch of BHO fans in my offline life, and they all give him a complete pass on the economy. The only thing they hold against him is the drone strikes on jihadis (“it’s f*cking _murder_, man!”) and the crackdown on marijuana dispensaries. That’s what we’re dealing with in America now. Game over.

    If only the Republicans had someone with a similar cult of personality.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  337. Wow, Amerikkka you really suck.

    And no, I didn’t know.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  338. Obviously, Akin and Mourdoch turned off a lot of voters if they managed to seize defeat from the jaws of victory to a couple of knuckleheads such as McCaskill and Donnelley.

    Imagine telling a father that if his teenage daughter is raped and becomes pregnant, she should be forced to have the baby.

    A race baiter could even play into racist feelings on this issue.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  339. I hope the fat lady sings that carrie underwood song

    happyfeet (95509a)

  340. There is no place in the civilised world where you can get away with killing a trespasser whom you know is putting you in no danger.

    Do the people of Indiana agree with you?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  341. I’m with JVW…I think we’re sunk. Damn.

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  342. Just got back. What did I miss?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  343. “How exactly could forcing pregnant rape victims to give birth be a winning political issue?” If the GOP wants to babble about “social issues”, they had best not run for office. To say you don’t want to pay for contraception or abortion is defensible, but catering to antiabortion people, not matter how much you might agree with them, gets you nowhere.
    It’s very sad that the fiscally responsible party shoots itself in the head about issues it can never really change.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  344. Just got back. What did I miss?

    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012

    They called California for Romney. Everything’s going to be OK.

    Dustin (73fead)

  345. _____________________________________________

    I am going to try to comfort myself with some silver linings.

    Yea, right. I envision something more along the lines of what the president of Argentina, Cristina Kirchner, has done over the past year. One of those things is making it illegal for anyone outside government-approved channels to report the actual rate of inflation in Argentina. If any person (including economists) does defy the law, he or she is fined thousands of dollars.

    Mark (66bba6)

  346. Milhouse, how about if Murdock has said this:

    You know, a pregnancy that comes about from rape or incest is a terrible situation for a woman to have to go through, but we know that some women do carry those babies to term and become loving mothers to those children so I don’t want to suggest in any way that those children are somehow outside of the loving embrace of God, no matter how terrible the circumstances of their conception are.

    And just leave it at that. If the candidate is against abortion in the case of rape and incest, then the candidate should be ready to talk about supporting the mother through the entire pregnancy and making sure they have abundant resources. Several organizations provide this sort of support.

    Even though Murdock was probably trying to arrive at something close to what I said above, he clearly wasn’t fully prepared to answer that question in a thorough manner, and that’s on him.

    JVW (f5695c)

  347. Just got back. What did I miss?

    People saying we are sunk.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  348. Jesse Jackson Jr. wins reelection without making a single campaign appearance.

    Derrick Smith wins new term in Illinois House after ejection earlier this year after indictment for taking bribe from FBI agent.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  349. The way Rove just explained Ohio, it looks like Romney will win it.

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  350. First openly lesbian senator projected winner tonight!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  351. NC, VA, FL, Ohio and Colorado and Romney’s in.

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  352. Romney is going to lose every state in which he owns a home.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  353. Cheer up folks.

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  354. The way Rove just explained Ohio, it looks like Romney will win it.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku — 11/6/2012

    I’ll pray.

    Dustin (73fead)

  355. You know what pisses me off about Peggy Noonan being the chuckling, “oh well it doesn’t look good” type of conservative commentator? The fact that in the back of her mind is “Hey, I’ll still have my nicely paying writing gig at the Wall Street Journal, so what do I really care if Obama wins?”

    JVW (f5695c)

  356. They called California for Romney. Everything’s going to be OK.

    You know, Dustin, those of us in Cali might want to throw a high heel at you right about now. We’re sensitive to our red votes having zero impact on the big picture.

    Dana (292dcf)

  357. The way Rove just explained Ohio, it looks like Romney will win it.

    Romney is in definitely better shape in Ohio than McCain was. Remember that Ohio was called for Obama an hour after the polls closed in 2008. I followed the returns online live back then.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  358. He’s got VA and NC… Rove explained why he thinks he’ll win Ohio… with the R counties still out in FLA… all he needs is one more.

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  359. NC, VA, FL, Ohio and Colorado and Romney’s in.

    Comment by Colonel Haiku — 11/6/2012

    True, but I was expecting a powerful rejection of Obama. I have a hard time understanding how this is happening.

    I must live in quite a bubble here in Texas.

    Dustin (73fead)

  360. Just got back. What did I miss?

    Obama’s Midwestern firewall is holding, as ABC News said.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  361. big bird is doing lines of coke off a stripper’s ass as we speak

    you know it’s true

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  362. Dustin, those of us in Cali might want to throw a high heel at you right about now.

    There are Senators out there who would pay for that.

    Dustin (73fead)

  363. ______________________________________

    They called California for Romney. Everything’s going to be OK.

    Damn, Dustin. What did Pat ever do to you?!

    Mark (66bba6)

  364. There is no place in the civilised world where you can get away with killing a trespasser whom you know is putting you in no danger.

    Do the people of Indiana agree with you?

    Try killing a harmless trespasser in Indiana and see how quickly you’re convicted.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  365. Gary Gulrud,

    Friend, I tend to be a happy warrior, although I am a bit fatalistic about elections, probably due to the fact I’m an artsy type.

    I fell for your nightly “discount double check” end zone dances about how this election was in the bag for the GOP.
    The banker will probably come seize the deed to my farm in the morning.
    Since I placed the bet with my farm as collateral based on your enthusiasm for the GOP’s prospects, can you help me out with some restitution ?

    Elephant Stone (65d289)

  366. True, but I was expecting a powerful rejection of Obama. I have a hard time understanding how this is happening.

    The network broadcast and print media carried water for him.

    And Obama was good for bankers and energy company CEO’s and auto company CEO’s.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  367. Obamacare will live for at least 4 years.

    You kinda get the feeling Americans were destined to experience Obamacare one way or another. It’s already running out of money. We’ll see how the nation reacts.

    Small victories for conservatives / libertarians, if we do lose the presidential – GOP keeps the house, some states flipped back to red, looks like pot will be legal in some states (not a fan personally).

    I’m genuinely interested in finding out how legal pot will affect those states. Will it end the drug wars, increase rehab costs, etc?

    lee (f7dedd)

  368. There are Senators out there who would pay for that.

    No doubt you’re right about that. Ugh.

    Dana (292dcf)

  369. True, but I was expecting a powerful rejection of Obama. I have a hard time understanding how this is happening.

    People tend to vote their identity rather than their interests, when it comes down to it.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  370. I don’t make predictions about elections until they’re over, especially in close ones, but I will say this…

    Can’t win ‘em all.

    “I’ll pray.”

    Me too…but, I don’t think it’s going to help.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  371. People tend to vote their identity rather than their interests, when it comes down to it.

    Which makes me wonder what the identity of so many of those people are.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  372. Whoever’s doing ABC’s scrolling update is on drugs. They’ve got Wisconsin checked for Obama, with Romney having a four-point lead.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  373. You may have your personal morals about abortion. When you attempt to impose those by law on women who fear being raped … you lose. Period. You may be offended by Scalzi’s letter to a conservative politician but you’re not nearly as offended as most of the women in your life are afraid — indeed, terrified — of meeting the animal he portrays in that satire.

    htom (412a17)

  374. Great, Grayson is back in.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  375. True, but I was expecting a powerful rejection of Obama. I have a hard time understanding how this is happening.

    Me too. I can’t understand what people are thinking. How can people vote for such despicable people as Lieawatha, Grayson, and 0bama? How do people not care about the terrorists?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  376. Which makes me wonder what the identity of so many of those people are.

    Takes all kinds to make up a public…

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  377. I’ll be drinking to the continued health of the following five fine Americans:

    John Roberts
    Samuel Alito
    Clarence Thomas
    Anthony Kennedy
    Antonin Scalia

    JVW (f5695c)

  378. “I have a hard time understanding …” Easy: the BHO cult successfully demonized the rich, the successful, the financially-astute. To most of the electorate, economics in a nutshell is: “It’s all the fault of the corporations, maaaaan!”

    gp (0c542c)

  379. The first state that leaves the union — I’m moving.

    mg (31009b)

  380. John Roberts is a constitution-perverting freak

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  381. Great, Grayson is back in.

    Comment by gary gulrud — 11/6/2012

    This is unbelievable. Who in the hell is voting for these people?

    Are food stamps and unemployment really that good?

    Dustin (73fead)

  382. They’ve got Wisconsin checked for Obama, with Romney having a four-point lead.

    After an hour-and a-half after the polls closed?

    the BHO cult successfully demonized the rich, the successful, the financially-astute.

    While BHO’s policies benefited rich bankers and rich automaker CEO’s and rich alternative energy CEO’s.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  383. Me too I hope it’s Alabama

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  384. Obamacare will live for at least 4 years.

    More than that. It will be like Social Security; the GOP will have to accept it and promise not to mess with it and 30 years from now it will be forgotten that we were ever against it and it will be political death to denigrate it in any way.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  385. This is unbelievable. Who in the hell is voting for these people?

    Who the hell voted for Grayson in the primary?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  386. valerie is getting ready to shut us down. are ye ready?

    mg (31009b)

  387. Romney barely up in Virginia, but not doing well in Ohio.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  388. No live chat this time?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  389. Romney barely up in Virginia, but not doing well in Ohio.

    How is he doing in Ohio?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  390. Wasn’t there something happening tonight?

    Had the date marked, just can’t remember what for.

    Stashiu3 (1680c0)

  391. Stashiu3!

    Dustin (73fead)

  392. ____________________________________________

    experience Obamacare one way or another.

    And keep in mind that the IRS, which will enforce it, has seen both its staffing and budget increased by the ultra-liberal in the White House.

    I’ve long found the following quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin fascinating. That’s because it suggests that even 200 years ago, the corrosive effect of what I’d label as liberal greed was perceived as being a nation’s undoing:


    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

    Mark (66bba6)

  393. I heard BBC call Indiana at around 6:00 Central. Was NW Indiana (on central time) still voting at that time?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  394. Good to see you, Stash!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  395. It’s so good to see you, Stashiu. I hope you have been well.

    Dana (292dcf)

  396. 387. And he’s going to lose FL.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  397. carlitos,

    No, no live chat. The software I used before now costs money, and I have not found a free alternative (but have not looked hard).

    Patterico (8b3905)

  398. “True, but I was expecting a powerful rejection of Obama. I have a hard time understanding how this is happening.”

    Like I always say, as long as the Democrats promise free handouts and then deliver…they’re going to win most of the elections.

    I have no trouble understanding. It’s been that way since the 1930s.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  399. No matter which way this goes (and if I heard Rove right it’s NOT over), the first few paragraphs of Chris Christie’s obituary are now determined.

    Think “Billy Buckner”

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  400. 343. “How exactly could forcing pregnant rape victims to give birth be a winning political issue?” If the GOP wants to babble about “social issues”, they had best not run for office. To say you don’t want to pay for contraception or abortion is defensible, but catering to antiabortion people, not matter how much you might agree with them, gets you nowhere.
    It’s very sad that the fiscally responsible party shoots itself in the head about issues it can never really change.

    Comment by Bugg — 11/6/2012 @ 7:32 pm

    You illustrate the irrational level this argument has devolved to. No matter what you think of Mourdock’s or Akin’s at most all they could do is vote for SCOTUS judges who would return the abortion issue to the states.

    In fail to see how the “Romney will overturn Roe V. Wade” hysteria is more rational than Mourdock’s position on abortion.

    Hint: Romney can’t do that as President.

    And even if the Republicans could appoint the judges to overturn Roe v. Wade, we’re still a couple of Tunisias and maybe a Libya away from forcing women to bear their rapists children. Because the “life begins at conception” argument would have to prevail at the ballot box at that point.

    Steve57 (320590)

  401. Carlitos – IN votes 6 AM to 6 PM. Bars reopen at 6:00.

    JD (318f81)

  402. OK, Patterico. Nice to see old friends here chatting, including Mr. Stashiu3!

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  403. You may have your personal morals about abortion. When you attempt to impose those by law on women who fear being raped … you lose. Period.

    The whole point of government, of laws, is to prevent people by law from murdering, raping, and robbing each other! Being raped may give you an excuse to kill your rapist, but to take out your anger on his child?! Your child?! What if women demand the right to abuse their children after they’re born? Would you acceded to that demand too, if you thought it was the only way to win elections?!

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  404. Megyn Kelly is getting giddy.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  405. I love the red neck riviera of Alabama. Orange Beach. Kiva Dunes.

    mg (31009b)

  406. I have no trouble understanding. It’s been that way since the 1930s.

    It was that way since the 1830′s.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  407. I don’t want any arguments on this thread. Fair warning.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  408. Giddy?!

    JD (318f81)

  409. Being raped may give you an excuse to kill your rapist, but to take out your anger on his child?! Your child?!

    At what point in time did the rape victim acquiesce to the use of her womb?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  410. Are you interviewing Megyn again?

    JD (318f81)

  411. Vote to legalize same-sex marriage is leading in Maine & Maryland.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  412. Hey JD – I agree, but isn’t NWI 6 to 6 local time? I thought the media weren’t going to do this anymore after the Panhandle fiasco?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  413. FLORIDA
    O 3,886,172 49.33%
    R 3,886,172 49.33%

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  414. Ten days from now, when parts of NY and NJ still don’t have power and gas lines continue to stretch for blocks, will Obama’s handling of Hurricane Sandy still be considered to be excellent? Of course, because he’s a Democrat!

    JVW (f5695c)

  415. Awesome golf in Kiva Dunes.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  416. At what point in time did the rape victim acquiesce to the use of her womb?

    So you’re back to your alleged right to kill harmless trespassers?! Try it in a death penalty state and you will be executed.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  417. FLORIDA
    O 3,886,172 49.33%
    R 3,886,172 49.33%

    Comment by Colonel Haiku

    Wow.

    Dustin (73fead)

  418. I don’t know, carlitos. The media sucks ballz, in general, and you can never go wrong assuming they are being douchenozzles.

    JD (318f81)

  419. Megyn Kelly is getting giddy.

    Megyn and Dana Perino are the only two positives of the evening for me.

    JVW (f5695c)

  420. And George Allen goes down.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  421. AZ puts Romney back on top by one.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  422. I was going to ask my region rat friends, but don’t want to get into it. I know how they all voted, and we mostly don’t discuss politics.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  423. Jeff Flake WILL be the new junior Senator from Arizona.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  424. Vote to legalize same-sex marriage is leading in Maine & Maryland.

    And what of the vote to ban in Minnesota?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  425. Romney’s got NC, will soon have VA, and then a squeaker in FLA and the way Rove has it scoped, the remaining votes in Ohio will mainly go to Romney… mostly big suburbs and rural areas.

    and then he has to pick up Colorado!

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  426. Florida is 16k down with 800k to go.

    NC is 80k up with 60k to go. Looks good.

    Virginia is 25k up with 700k to go. Nail biter.

    Ohio is down 75k with nearly 2 million to go.

    Win these 4, and you need either Colorado, Iowa or Nevada.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  427. gulf shores too

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  428. it would be soo cool for the house to have to decide…….

    Also – Fox news and all their analysts just jumped the shark

    EPWJ (d84fb0)

  429. It’s great to see two old hacks like Brad Sherman and Howard Berman wage their scorched-earth campaign against each other.

    JVW (f5695c)

  430. I can’t see a reason S&P, Moody’s, and Fitch don’t downgrade us tomorrow. The cliff is overhead now.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  431. Still, how can people bring themselves to vote for the likes of Warren and Grayson? And how can people not care about 0bama’s relationship with Bill Ayers?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  432. Hysteria it is. Fear.

    “Master your fears or be ruled by those who will use them.” Thanks, MGSGT Hart.

    If you attempt to refute this fear rationally, you will fail.

    “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” — any number of women

    At a guess, over 40% of the voting population is solidly pro-choice especially in cases of rape and they don’t think it’s something that can be joked away or ignored. They hear you say something that sounds like you might approve of it and they then will not listen to you. Probably not ever. They see you as helping that rapist. Not only are you contaminated, everyone you associate with is. I know women who refused to vote for any Republican in this election because of Akin. You don’t have their fear — and that does not matter to them.

    htom (412a17)

  433. Although Iowa looks iffy.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  434. And George Allen goes down.

    Comment by Milhouse

    MACAAAAAAWCAAAAAWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  435. So you’re back to your alleged right to kill harmless trespassers?!

    What you are arguing for is a right for rapists to force their victims to have their children.

    Try telling the father of a 16-year-old girl that any nithing has the right to force his daughter to have the nithing’s child.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  436. I’m trying to figure out where these asshats are watching CNN on the streets in Chicago. They are coloring the Empire State Building in real time with blue vs. red for election results; pretty cool.

    My prediction of 320 for Obama is looking safe.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  437. Yes… NC in teh bag!

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  438. Romney takes North Carolina.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  439. Just got a tip that some dem counties in florida are holding back reporting totals from strong republican precincts.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  440. how can people bring themselves to vote for the likes of Warren and Grayson?

    It blows my mind. But then, the folks voting for Warren have also voted for Ted Kennedy, so this is kinda a step up for them, I guess.

    Dustin (73fead)

  441. North Carolina called for Romney; Virginia & Florida neck-and-neck.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  442. Jeff Flake WILL be the new junior Senator from Arizona.

    Well there’s some good news. But still, how can MA voters not care about the character of their senator? I mean, that’s an old old question, but still. Warren isn’t a Kennedy.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  443. Polls have closed here. Wonder what happened with our propositions, DA race, etc.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  444. George Allen would be the big loser of the night if it wasn’t for Linda McMillions.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  445. Not much going on here tonight. No cable, thank goodness. Look on the web every 30 minutes or so and let the blood pressure stay down.

    News? My oldest, who became an RN a while back, decided to join the Army and the board is going on now. Should be a slam-dunk as he’s an excellent nurse. He picked a specialty course for after the Officer Basic Course…

    Psych.

    Could I be prouder? Or more flattered?

    Stashiu3 (1680c0)

  446. hey are coloring the Empire State Building in real time with blue vs. red for election results; pretty cool.

    Neat.

    I don’t have TV (I’m a freak like that) so I have to get this stuff second hand.

    Dustin (73fead)

  447. Still, how can people bring themselves to vote for the likes of Warren and Grayson?

    Free birth control! Plus, people who make lots of money are evil, unless they make lots of money in the entertainment industry in which case they are super cool.

    JVW (f5695c)

  448. Just got a tip that some dem counties in florida are holding back reporting totals from strong republican precincts.

    These won’t be the ones they find in a car trunk during a recount.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  449. Romney takes North Carolina.

    As expected. He should be picking up states Obama won before, while not losing any of the states McCain won.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  450. Wow, Romney got NC. That’s important. Oregon kinda offsets that, but it’s big.

    Patterico, how’d you vote on the LA County measure B?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  451. big bird’s stripper has bigger coattails than romney

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  452. My oldest, who became an RN a while back, decided to join the Army and the board is going on now. Should be a slam-dunk as he’s an excellent nurse. He picked a specialty course for after the Officer Basic Course…

    Congratulations! Well Done, sir.

    Dustin (73fead)

  453. Polls have closed here. Wonder what happened with our propositions, DA race, etc.

    Fox just had condoms for porn stars at 0% to 0% with 0% reporting. Sounds like real barn-burner.

    JVW (f5695c)

  454. Minnesota votes down a same-sex marriage ban AND voter ID.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  455. 407. I don’t want any arguments on this thread. Fair warning.

    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012 @ 7:53 pm

    Would it be an argument to just ask people to keep in mind that characters like Akin and Mourdock couldn’t force anyone to do anything against their will if they just succeeded in approving judges who returned the issue to the states? Then the entire issue would be out of their hands.

    I only mention that because (a) Obama hasn’t beaten Romney yet therefore (b) it’s a bit early to start cannibalizing each other.

    Also, while some Senate candidates did sort of make me cringe while they talked about things that I agree with them on, I think it’s worth pointing out that the MFM can and does create “gaffes” where none exist.

    I’d ask people to keep that in mind, too.

    That’s all I’ll say. Ok, Pat?

    Steve57 (320590)

  456. Steve-You may be correct. But the problem is when you dance around that issue you give the Dems an opening to demonize you. It’s a no win situation for the GOP.Spending political capital on social issues is fool’s gold. We have lived under Roe for 40+ years and NOTHING has changed. EVERY GOP candidate who plays with this gets burned. SSI is no longer the 3rd rail, those social issues are. I don’t agree with that, but the GOP is on much firmer and more popular ground when the issue are financial and fiscal.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  457. Obama gets Wisconsin, according to CNN.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  458. AYYY. Allahpundit: “The Denver Post is calling Colorado for Obama.”

    Mitt has to run the table now.

    He won’t be able to.

    Sorry, guys.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  459. Stashiu3 — Congratulations to you both, and good to see you, sir.

    htom (412a17)

  460. I read somewhere that gold is skyrocketing

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  461. if they just succeeded in approving judges who returned the issue to the states?

    Perhaps they should just say ‘I will appoint federalist, textualist judges who hopefully would leave issues like that to the states’ when asked about social issues like abortion.

    That way, Akin can be a Senator and do some good.

    Dustin (73fead)

  462. What you are arguing for is a right for rapists to force their victims to have their children.

    If he wants to kill his grandchild, he’s even more a nithing than the rapist. But no, the rapist isn’t forcing anybody to do anything, any more than a murderer is forcing his victim to remain dead. What he did is done.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  463. Wolf Blitzer tells me that it’s official – Harry Reid will continue as majority leader in the Senate. I hope my recent losses in Vegas didn’t help fund this. I played basic strategy; aggressive but tight.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  464. Local Fox channel reporting from Obama Camp at McCormick Place is making me nauseous.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  465. I’ll drop it, Patterico. We’ve got too much else to deal with anyway.

    htom (412a17)

  466. Wow, Romney got NC. That’s important. Oregon kinda offsets that, but it’s big.

    Yes, but Obama won Oregon last time. and I suspectg the margin was reduced.

    AYYY. Allahpundit: “The Denver Post is calling Colorado for Obama.”

    In only an hour after the polls closed?

    Colorado should be much closer than last time.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  467. Wolf Blitzer tells me that it’s official – Harry Reid will continue as majority leader in the Senate. I hope my recent losses in Vegas didn’t help fund this. I played basic strategy; aggressive but tight.

    Any merit to the idea that we should force pregnant raper victims to give birth?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  468. Dana,

    Some health issues and a surgery. But recovered from the surgery and working the other things. Thanks.

    Stashiu3 (1680c0)

  469. Just when I thought my stomach couldn’t get worse, FOX News brings in Susan Estrich.

    I need pills for this.

    PC14 (87cbf8)

  470. Good stuff, Stashiu.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  471. I didn’t mean the surgery. Although I think that probably qualifies too…

    Patterico (8b3905)

  472. Everthing I thought I knew needs reexamination. Too busy.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  473. ________________________________________

    I know how they all voted, and we mostly don’t discuss politics.

    I know a few liberals who were insufferable when Bush was in office. They happily and casually sniped about him, griping about the hegemony of America vis a vie Iraq and Hussein, about — get this — the large size of the federal deficit, about Bush’s greed for oil, etc.

    Since 2008, not a peep out of their mouths about any of the bilge that hovers like a tarnished halo around the head of their ultra-liberal savior in the Oval Office.

    I notice that my own sense of political etiquette, if you will, is to not discuss politics loudly or casually in mixed company, even when I don’t think I’ll offend anyone in the group. Maybe that’s due to more folks on the right than the left not treating politics as though it were a religion. Or the religion of liberalism, which is deemed by the left as needing to be proselytized about to the masses.

    Mark (66bba6)

  474. , I think it’s worth pointing out that the MFM can and does create “gaffes” where none exist.

    Binders. Need I say more? I’m convinced they had that campaign ready to go before the debate, and just picked a word from his answer at random. If he’d said “files” they’d be dressing up as nail files, and if he’d said “lists” they’d be leaning over like the Tower of Pisa. There was nothing at all he could have said that would not have been a “gaffe”.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  475. Romney has already outperformed McCain by 30 electoral votes.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  476. Any merit to the idea that we should force pregnant raper victims to give birth?

    No idea. Respecting Patterico’s wishes not to have a debate here.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  477. Stashiu, that’s great about your son. Proud papa, you. Some health issues and a surgery. Ditto here. My vicodin is doing double-duty tonight.

    Dana (292dcf)

  478. Can we put Ejercito in timeout or something?

    Icy (51e2f1)

  479. looks pretty terrible. I cannot imagine another four years with Obama.

    G (bbda88)

  480. Fox calls Ohio for Obama. Game over.

    JVW (f5695c)

  481. Fox calls Ohio for Obama.

    That’s it.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  482. Fox calls Ohio for Obama.

    I am sick.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  483. But the problem is when you dance around that issue you give the Dems an opening to demonize you. It’s a no win situation for the GOP.

    So what do you want? If it’s no win then it’s no win. The suggestion above was to refuse to answer the question, but now you say (correctly, I think) that they won’t let you get away with that, that a non-answer will be presented as the answer they want to hear, so what else is there?

    And now it’s over. Ohio has fallen, and America has committed suicide.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  484. Patterico – Separate thread for the rape and abortion discussion?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  485. Obama’s at 249 electoral votes in the projections. I’m 1/2 mile from the Obamas at the Hyatt. Rahmbo and Biden’s motorcades will pass my front door. I already grilled steaks; all I can do to be politically incorrect is to fire up a stogie.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  486. Rove!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #@#$$$#@@%$%%%!!!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  487. Romney has already outperformed McCain by 30 electoral votes.

    This is significant.

    The last President to win re-election while failing to outperform his previous EV total was Franklin Roosevelt in 1944, and that was only because he won in such a landslide in 1940, so there was hardly any room to improve on his performance.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  488. UPDATE: Fox just called Ohio for Obama. Obama has been re-elected.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  489. The Atlantic’s live blog is calling the whole works for Obama.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  490. I didn’t mean the surgery.
    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012 @ 8:09 pm

    Well, you already knew about that, so I kinda figured out the context. Heh.

    I see some people still… never mind. (see what I did there? ;) ) I hope everyone is well and whole. We survived these last four years, we’ll survive the next four. No matter who wins. It’s going to be a long haul digging out from where we are regardless, so don’t get worn out by the short-term stuff. Think longer-term and you might not be happier, but you’ll be calmer.

    Just sayin’

    Stashiu3 (1680c0)

  491. I don’t see any way Obama loses based on the numbers right now.

    I cannot believe America is this stupid.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  492. This is crazy. I honestly don’t see what we are missing here. Obama has a horrible record, a continuing series of scandals, and lackluster debate performances. We had a solid set of candidates, a campaign running on the issues, and an energized base. What are are we missing?

    OmegaPaladin (f2d931)

  493. Hey media bias folks, CNN hasn’t yet called Ohio.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  494. I thought we had a chance. No, I thought we would win and win big. I was wrong, dead wrong.

    I guess America has decided and I can live with that. It is going to be a weird world over the next four years, but I don’t begrudge my leftist friends gloating. They deserve it.

    So it goes.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  495. Did any state legalize same sex marijuana?

    JD (318f81)

  496. the important thing is chris christie is taking good care of the people in his state… their futures are indeed bright

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  497. Romney’s a million ahead, now, in the popular vote. Given that outstates tend to be conservative and report slower, we make wake up in the morning to find some of these states have flipped.

    htom (412a17)

  498. Right on cue, CNN has called re-election, based on Ohio.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  499. This is crazy. I honestly don’t see what we are missing here. Obama has a horrible record, a continuing series of scandals, and lackluster debate performances. We had a solid set of candidates, a campaign running on the issues, and an energized base. What are are we missing?


    An honest media.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  500. Chris Christie lost this. Just that much.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  501. “selected not elected!”

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  502. I owe Roman Genn $5.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  503. The GOP continues to offer milquetoast candidates and continues to lose. They just don’t get it. I doubt they ever will.

    Hey, I’m not as much a socialist as the Democrat! is NOT a winning slogan.

    This should be a no-brainer, but as it turns out, the GOP is evidently quite literally a no-brainer…

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  504. Empire State Building – blue.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  505. Romney’s a million ahead, now, in the popular vote. Given that outstates tend to be conservative and report slower, we make wake up in the morning to find some of these states have flipped.

    Right on cue, CNN has called re-election, based on Ohio.

    So Obama won re-election while losing the popular vote?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  506. Carlitos- I love Kiva Dunes, have been going down there every April for 5 years. Back to back par 5′s on the back nine are terrific.

    mg (31009b)

  507. It’s going to be a rough four years.
    Be prepared.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Really Sucks! (2bb434)

  508. The GOP continues to offer milquetoast candidates and continues to lose. They just don’t get it. I doubt they ever will.

    Who votes for these candidates in the primaries, but Republican voters?

    I voted for Ron Paul; he had a cult of personality that countered Obama’s.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  509. We can complain all we want about the sychophantic media, but this tells us what we really need to do is transcend it. By 2014 we need to have the tools to reach people without the media filter.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  510. Stashiu:

    Good advice, but it just confirms that we are willing to mortgage my children’s future for government benefits today, and it makes me sick.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  511. At least everyone can say the polls were right.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  512. Romney will lose California and Oregon and Washington state by large numbers of the popular vote. By morning, Obama will be ahead in the popular vote and in the electoral college. The GOP nominated a loser again and the nation is quite literally going to pay for it FOR GENERATIONS.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  513. So Obama won re-election while losing the popular vote?

    Obama is going to win the popular too. Lotta populous areas coming in.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  514. So Obama won re-election while losing the popular vote?

    California has 12 million votes, as yet uncounted.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  515. romney wasn’t milquetoast he was unctuous and smarmy and viciously pandering

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  516. 481. Fox calls Ohio for Obama. Game over.

    Comment by JVW — 11/6/2012 @ 8:13 pm

    Funny, over at NRO they say Obama’s advantage has eroded to 31K with 25% of the votes left to come in.

    Oh well, I guess I’ll find out who the Obamabots are amongst my employees when I tell them I have to cut everyone back to 29 hours to avoid the ObamaCare charges.

    As H.L. Mencken said, democracy is the political theory that the people know exactly what they want. And deserve to get it. Good and hard.

    Steve57 (320590)

  517. Exit polling said people by large margins thought Obama would be better than Romney on dealing with unemployment.

    JD (318f81)

  518. So, can I get some free stuff?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  519. N.E. conservatives don’t cut it. I guess it’s time to do some reloading.

    mg (31009b)

  520. It’s going to be a long haul digging out from where we are regardless, so don’t get worn out by the short-term stuff.

    Good thought.

    Obama has a horrible record, a continuing series of scandals, and lackluster debate performances. We had a solid set of candidates, a campaign running on the issues, and an energized base. What are are we missing?

    I don’t get it either.

    Dustin (73fead)

  521. So Obama won re-election while losing the popular vote?

    Happened in ’00. But unlike the pouty libs of that contest, Republicans will not demand that the electoral college be scrapped because their guy lost.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  522. Funny, over at NRO they say Obama’s advantage has eroded to 31K with 25% of the votes left to come in.

    What was it before?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  523. My mom was a poll watcher in Colorado today. I just talked to her. She said that she was amazed at the number of people who came out to (presumably) vote for Obama (my hometown is a Democrat stronghold). She says that some of them look like they have no idea what the candidates stand for, and if they bothered to vote at all on the lower part of the ticket they probably just voted however their Democrat handler told them to vote, but the Democrats managed to turn them out nevertheless.

    It’s hard to believe, but we grossly underestimated the ruthlessness of the Obama folks and their ability to turn out the vote.

    JVW (f5695c)

  524. NRO on election night … perhaps, not fact-based.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  525. Oh, jeez. Romney people disputing Ohio call.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  526. I don’t get it either.

    Jack Marshall

    If Obama wins, its because the majority of the public thinks he isn’t a weak leader. I’ll credit the press for that, as well as phony leadership creds like the death of Osama.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  527. ____________________________________________

    So Obama won re-election while losing the popular vote?

    Wow, that would be ironic, since the left has been dismissing the importance of the electoral vote in favor of the popular vote, based mainly on things like Bush vs Gore in 2000.

    If a person truly respects and admires the USA, but wants it to tilt left — as symbolized by the current occupant of the White House — the motto of the day is: “Be careful of what you wish for. You may get it.”

    Mark (66bba6)

  528. romney had 3 home state he could not carry, and his palin could not carry f-ing wisconsin. Pathetic.

    mg (31009b)

  529. Ohio not done

    JD (318f81)

  530. What I am saying is that where Obama is concerned, all Democrat voters turn out to be “likely” voters. This is where our projections erred.

    JVW (f5695c)

  531. team romney isn’t conceding anything yet

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  532. Yay, conspiracy theories in Ohio! It’s so much more credible when Republicans do it.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  533. Per Fox: Romney camp is questioning Ohio count. Said it’s way to close to call. 911 vote difference. 77% of the vote in. Hamilton County, largest group, votes are just starting to come in…

    Dana (292dcf)

  534. Rove: Ohio has not been settled.

    OK, but the whole country has been going Obama all night, dude.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  535. Ohio tied now at 49%

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  536. And tomorrow I’m applying for food stamps. I qualify, but I’ve been holding off. Not any more. If we’re going to go through this hell, I may as well grab what I can.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  537. It’s hard to believe, but we grossly underestimated the ruthlessness of the Obama folks and their ability to turn out the vote.

    Surely we were not expecting the Dem turnout to be cut by 25%, let alone in half.

    Obama did worse than he did in 2008, so there was a loss of independents and a lower Dem turnout.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  538. “Just keep the #freestuff coming til I’m dead, and after that America can go hang.” That about sum it up?

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  539. It’s sad that so much wrongness has been reelected. Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the deficit, no budget, Obamacare… even suits from the government against voter ID.

    But I am grateful to live in a country where so much power is decided with relative peace. We are fortunate in that regard.

    I just hope we can find a way to get the debt under control. The GOP house will need to be stronger.

    Dustin (73fead)

  540. It’s ridiculous.

    I’m left with a conundrum. What the hell are we supposed to do now? Obama’s going to claim a divine mandate to whatever he wants. How the hell are we going to stop this bastard from doing whatever he wants?

    Also, I hope nothing good ever happens to the Obama voters. Nothing good at all.

    OmegaPaladin (f2d931)

  541. Ohio tied now at 49%

    what was it before?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  542. don’t get cocky you guys

    instahappy (972b0b)

  543. On one hand I don’t want to concede anything when we need not. But look. I don’t see this call getting reversed.

    It’s gone bad ALL NIGHT.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  544. 991 vote diff in 0bama’s favor in Ohio, 20% of the vote still left to count and they call it for 0bama?

    Colonel Haiku (105216)

  545. ==Obviously, Akin and Mourdoch turned off a lot of voters if they managed to seize defeat from the jaws of victory to a couple of knuckleheads such as McCaskill and Donnelley==

    Yes indeedy, they certainly did. Those two lost a lot of votes for Republicans– and far beyond the boundaries of Indiana and Mo. The damage they did to other R candidates across this country is incalcuable. Oh, you can throw congressmen Joe Walsh in Il. onto that pile, as well. He shot his mouth off on that same subject, last month too, in ways too stupid and extreme to describe, and Walsh just lost to a dud boring Dem candidate who will make a terrible legislator but to a lot of suburban Chicagoans at least looked sane.

    I am sick and tired of losing elections over the extreme end of these social issues. Effen sick of it. Where does one go who loves this country and wants us to deal in a mature and reasoned fashion with economic, foreign affairs and national defense issues without enduring the side shows on both the left and right?. I ask that sincerely because I truly don’t know.

    While I’m on a roll–For those of you who delight in blaming the Jersey Pumpkin for saying things you didn’t like in the middle of a crisis, may I humbly suggest there is another horizon at which you might more profitably direct your attention if you’d like to win future elections.

    In the next hour I may also lose my congressman–a terrific public servant and fiscal conservative because he was unfairly tied to Walsh’s statements in TV ads. I am so not thrilled to have spent my time and money on an excellent candidate only to have him “taken down” by another “fellow” Republican in ways his Dem opponent could not have ever done.

    elissa (207170)

  546. ebt, ebt, got to get my ebt.

    mg (31009b)

  547. 50 to 49

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  548. “Just keep the #freestuff coming til I’m dead, and after that America can go hang.” That about sum it up?

    That’s about it.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  549. Pat @535, objectively that’s not true. It hasn’t gone the way we would have liked. But it’s not 2008 again either. The Romney camp could have a point.

    On the other hand I do wish I had hedged my bet by stocking up on the everclear or moonshine right about now, Mr. feets.

    Steve57 (320590)

  550. California returns coming in.

    Prop 30 – 48.6% No…..51.4% Yes.

    Dana (292dcf)

  551. Exit polling said people by large margins thought Obama would be better than Romney on dealing with unemployment.

    Yeah. He’ll take good care of it. Pretty soon we’ll all be unemployed.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  552. Now Rove is on fire insisting Ohio is not decided.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  553. Fox may rescind. Rove says that Obama’s lead is less than 1000 with 78% in.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  554. Vote to legalize same-sex marriage and marijuana leading in early returns from state of Washington.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  555. Obama’s going to claim a divine mandate to whatever he wants.

    I believe he would do that, even though this election is a lot closer than the previous one. To most people, it would be a humbling victory.

    even suits from the government against voter ID

    Even though that same government requires photo ID to buy handguns.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  556. How the hell are we going to stop this bastard from doing whatever he wants?

    We still hold the House, and let’s dare Obama and the Democrats to turn out voters in huge numbers in the 2014 mid-terms. If they do, then the permanent Democrat realignment might be upon us.

    JVW (f5695c)

  557. Walsh seriously creeped me out I remember wondering what kind of place would elect such a one to represent them

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  558. The GOP just lost an election campaign to the 2nd worst President in history! Now, with NO ACCOUNTABILITY concerns remaining, Obama will go into OVERDRIVE to win the superlative WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY moniker but wrecking whatever he failed to wreck in his first term!

    The nation is so very screwed, for generations to come. It may never recover from Obama’s 2nd term…

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  559. How the hell are we going to stop this bastard from doing whatever he wants?

    All spending bills must originate in the House, Mr. OmegaPaladin.

    Just don’t fund the criminal enterprise. At this point what does the GOP have to lose (assuming the call about Ohio stands)?

    Steve57 (320590)

  560. It hasn’t gone the way we would have liked. But it’s not 2008 again either. The Romney camp could have a point.

    It certainly could not be seen as a repudiation of the Republican Party, as Obama would have done better than last time if that were the case.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  561. Wisconsin is still also to close to call. Only a difference of 28,000 with Romney climbing and only 47% reporting

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  562. Vote to legalize same-sex marriage and marijuana leading in early returns from state of Washington.

    Thank God. More of this, please.

    Then again, the Washington voters screwed themselves with liquor privatization. I don’t think that the pacific northwesterners get the initiative process.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  563. Mr 57 no alcohol have I… I was very irresponsible today

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  564. here comes valerie with her plans to shut er down.

    mg (31009b)

  565. This is high comedy on Fox.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  566. I am sick and tired of losing elections over the extreme end of these social issues. Effen sick of it. Where does one go who loves this country and wants us to deal in a mature and reasoned fashion with economic, foreign affairs and national defense issues without enduring the side shows on both the left and right?. I ask that sincerely because I truly don’t know.

    Elissa, I said this earlier in the thread, but I have virtually no patience for conservative candidates who can’t articulate a reasonable pro-life position. If they are so damn stupid that it never occurred to them to be ready for this question, then they probably would have made crappy legislators to begin with.

    JVW (f5695c)

  567. Karl Rove is being a cruel tease. I mean, i take him at his word, but it’s kind of unintentionally mean to give that hope to Romney supporters.

    And why is Fox bending over to give his doubts so much coverage?

    Kman (d12bac)

  568. Megyn Kelly is knock-kneed. She’s not quite perfect after all.

    Dana (292dcf)

  569. Colorado apparently sending in their returns by Pony Express rider.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  570. Fox Decision Desk makes a good case.

    Rove loses.

    We all lose.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  571. OK. It is over. Cleveland still out.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  572. Megyn Kelly is knock-kneed. She’s not quite perfect after all.

    Heels are hard. I don’t see how women do it.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  573. Wisconsin is still also to close to call. Only a difference of 28,000 with Romney climbing and only 47% reporting

    So why was it called?

    Wisconsin was called quickly in 2008, but it turned out Obama won by a double-digit margin.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  574. Where is my free stuff?

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  575. Government demands photo-id to buy decongestants, too.

    htom (412a17)

  576. ___________________________________________

    At least everyone can say the polls were right.

    I’ve been keeping a close eye on the Rasmussen Poll over the past few days. They’ve been fairly accurate through the years, and I’ll leave it at that.

    Not any more. If we’re going to go through this hell, I may as well grab what I can.

    I’m being only a bit sarcastic when I say that we need to take a leaf from the Greeks (who are notorious tax cheats), and stretch and squeeze, and finagle with our tax returns until we’re blue in the face.

    Mark (66bba6)

  577. 99.95% certainty.

    That’s a high percentage!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  578. Okay, gotta head to bed & tomorrow get busy earning $$ to fund the next four years worth of gov’t pinatas. Thanks Patterico for hosting this symposium.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  579. The House is still Republican.

    Regardless, the GOP is in need of reinvention. Being conservative might help.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  580. Where is my free stuff?

    You’ll get nothing and like it.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  581. Dana, how . . . DARE you!!!!!!!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  582. I came to this website many moons ago, with my particular interest being media bias. For what it’s worth, BBC had really good coverage of this election. I’m watching CNN right now.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  583. we have lost. god damit.

    mg (31009b)

  584. Nice to see you, Sanity Inspector.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  585. Identify all and any business that supported Obama’s campaign, any person renting out their home who voted for Obama and any person who is making improvements to their home/land who voted for Obama.

    Find EVERY SINGLE VIOLATION of LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL regulations or laws that these people have and start calling them in to the proper authorities.

    You own a nice mom and pop business and like Obama? Bam!! Americans With Disabilities Act Violations left and right.

    Oh you’re thinking of making modification to your home or land? Whoa! Environmental Protection Agency impact statements, permits and fines.

    Decided to rent out that house and move to a newer one? Better make sure you comply with all lead paint awareness regulations and fair renting practices.

    Health code violations in your restaurant? Real shame buddy well don’t worry it won’t cost to much to fix those up.

    What do you mean you did not know about all those WONDERFUL Occupational Safety and Health Administration guidelines for worker safety? Breaks my heart… but hey the laws the LAW.

    Let these people feel the regulatory crunch on their businesses, properties and homes. Let them feel what good ol’ fashioned BIG Government can do for them! Starting Monday morning I’m going to about half a dozen businesses who supported Obama and just start taking notes and then I’m making phone calls and filing complaints.

    That’s the CHICAGO way!

    Nev (5582fc)

  586. Let’s get Benghazigate going.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  587. AZ Bob,

    You get to fund the free stuff for the others.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  588. Heels are hard. I don’t see how women do it.

    We suffer in silence.

    Dana (292dcf)

  589. Let’s get Benghazigate going.

    And how will you do that with the media?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  590. Megyn Kelly is knock-kneed. She’s not quite perfect after all.

    Silence! Megyn Kelly shall not be subject to this apostasy!

    JVW (f5695c)

  591. The main reason I was so confident was that I was putting my hope in voter ID. But too many judges sabotaged it, and they managed to steal it. And now they’ll entrench themselves so they can keep stealing elections forever and ever without end. I’m putting in my for food stamp application in the morning.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  592. ebt,bet,got to get my wife her ebt.

    mg (31009b)

  593. Let’s get Benghazigate going.

    Well, the mission of this blog — one of them — will be to keep Obama from ruining my children’s future.

    Romney decided to go easy on Obama. I will not.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  594. That said, I will not demonize with this blog in the next four years. As I have always done, I will stick to the facts.

    I think that approach works best.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  595. And now they’ll entrench themselves so they can keep stealing elections forever and ever without end.

    If they continue to openly get away with it, why not do that sort of thing ourselves?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  596. On Benghazi, and many other issues, I don’t think the facts will be very kind to Obama.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  597. Nominating a North East Liberal Republican sure helped the GOP in the North East.

    Akin, Mourdock, Allen, and Romney CANNOT BE the best this nation has to offer. Where are the REAL candidates?

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  598. More $5 million vacations for Michelle Obama.

    George (012711)

  599. to keep Obama from ruining my children’s future.

    More easily said than done.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  600. Women made up 54% of the electorate, and voted 55% for Obama. I’m going out on a limb, but it seems cointer-intuitive that Republicans saying ignorant things about rape and pregnancy will help in 2016.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  601. My kids voted for a loser, because I told them to. I suck.

    mg (31009b)

  602. I hate being right.

    JD (318f81)

  603. I want answers on Benghazi and Fast and Furious now.

    George (012711)

  604. Give it up, Karl.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  605. counter

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  606. If they continue to openly get away with it, why not do that sort of thing ourselves?

    Good question. A law that is openly flouted and not enforced is no law.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  607. The American people have spoken and frankly they don’t give a DAMN about State Department employees…

    They want their free abortions and free birth control and food stamps and disability checks…

    NOTHING ELSE MATTERS…

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  608. Nominating a North East Liberal Republican sure helped the GOP in the North East.

    And who nominated him?

    The voters did.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  609. Obama proved you can win the presidency being 100% negative.

    JD (318f81)

  610. Hey Patterico, you’re not confusing me with Karl Bade?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  611. That will be a reassuring thought when they can’t buy good or even heat their homes,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  612. My big hope was that the lesson of this election would be that you can’t spend trillions of dollars for no good reason, mortgage our children’s future, and expect to win the presidency.

    I don’t like the lesson we’re getting instead.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  613. Mia Love 2016

    mg (31009b)

  614. Hey Patterico, you’re not confusing me with Karl Bade?

    I was talking to Karl Rove.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  615. On Benghazi, and many other issues, I don’t think the facts will be very kind to Obama.

    Apparently nobody cares. Any more than they care about Clinton’s rape and perjury. They’d reelect him in a heartbeat if they could.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  616. I’m going out on a limb, but it seems cointer-intuitive that Republicans saying ignorant things about rape and pregnancy will help in 2016.

    What defense is there in forcing a pregnant rape victim to give birth? We saw the results in Missouri and Indiana.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  617. Karl Rove was arguing with the Fox decision desk and I was telling him to give it up.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  618. perhaps the clearest message our pitiful and confuzzled electorate is sending is they don’t want to hear Deep Thoughts about rape

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  619. I woke up in America and I am going to bed in the Soviet Union.

    WHAT A BLOODY LONG DAY!

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  620. Apparently nobody cares.

    Because of the national network broadcast and print media.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  621. Now they’re whining that Romney hasn’t given a concession speech.

    htom (412a17)

  622. Now they’re whining that Romney hasn’t given a concession speech.

    Who is whining?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  623. Thanks and sorry for misunderstanding, Mr. Frey. Not watching Rove. CNN is a lot more interesting to me.

    Per our gracious host’s wishes, I’ll continue to ignore Mr. Ejercito.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  624. You know, I think it might be time for the House GOP to put its foot down. No continuing resolution. Budget or bust. Seriously, at this point why not?

    OmegaPaladin (f2d931)

  625. Romney was too milquetoast and conservative, in the non-political sense.

    I don’t think ideological extremism is the answer. I think PRINCIPLED and STRONG opposition to fiscal irresponsibility is.

    Anyone who thinks we just need Tea Party types with tin ears and everything will be hunky dory needs to look at how Mourdock and Akin did. How did they do, by the way?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  626. ____________________________________________

    will be to keep Obama from ruining my children’s future.

    I’ve been somewhat tongue-in-cheek in the past (but now I’m starting to feel like I’m being fully literal and factual) when I’ve mused that this society was headed in the direction of being a typical Banana Republic, or one of those generally always unstable, dysfunctional nations found in Central/South America. Or a nation like France or Greece.

    Human nature can be self-destructive, indolent, greedy and corrupt across all boundaries, and people in this part of the world are not all that different from people elsewhere.

    Mark (66bba6)

  627. Goodnight fellow commies, thanks boss.

    mg (31009b)

  628. My big hope was that the lesson of this election would be that you can’t spend trillions of dollars for no good reason, mortgage our children’s future, and expect to win the presidency.

    Apparently you can. Who knew?

    Mia Love 2016

    Any news on her race? Not that she’ll be anywhere near ready for the presidency, or even the vice presidency, after only four years in the House, and however many years as mayor. But if she doesn’t win her House race that becomes moot and I will be even more depressed. I think it’s finally time to break out the vodka. I’ve been sober all night

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  629. Apparently you can. Who knew?

    With the help of a complicit media.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  630. Posting by proxy for Mrs. Carlito – “Fine, we can move to Canada now!” She forgets about the free health care and robust real estate market.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  631. Ohio requires a recount if the spread is less than a quarter of one percent. What is the minimum spread guaranteed by the Fox decision desk?

    Andrew (f350dd)

  632. 618. Karl Rove was arguing with the Fox decision desk and I was telling him to give it up.

    Comment by Patterico — 11/6/2012 @ 8:47 pm

    Yeah, but do you go with the decision desk call or the actual vote count?

    At this point I’m not holding out much hope, and I really REALLY wish I had stocked up on the everclear or Mr. feets had some of that Wild Turkey to share but if the call proves to have been to early then it isn’t a matter of opinion.

    Steve57 (320590)

  633. Akin wasn’t a teadoodle he was just a regular old socon

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  634. Wait until the sequestration starts. All these IDIOTS in Virginia are going to be out of work after having voted for Obama.

    If you thought unemployment was bad BEFORE the election, wait until they start laying off scores of thousands of government contractors in Virginia and Maryland.

    Pray you don’t lose your job because if you do you aren’t likely to EVER get another in America.

    Welcome to Obama’s America.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  635. I hope Boehner, Cantor, and the rest grow a spine.

    JD (318f81)

  636. Rove and Barone hashing it out on Fox now.

    Dana (292dcf)

  637. My 230 from yesterday is looking dead on. Plus or minus 10.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  638. Which do you expect will come first?

    a) A video where Hollywood numbskulls re-pledge their support to the agenda of our Dear Leader.

    b) A video where mush-minded schoolkids sing hosannas to the magnificence of Dear Leader.

    c) A video from some earnest liberals asking the 49% of us who didn’t vote for Dear Leader to work with them to support his agenda.

    JVW (f5695c)

  639. At this point I’m not holding out much hope, and I really REALLY wish I had stocked up on the everclear or Mr. feets had some of that Wild Turkey to share but if the call proves to have been to early then it isn’t a matter of opinion.

    What was the basis for the call? We do know the popular voter is a near-tie. The last round of polls in Ohio showed a tossup. And Ohio was already called for Obama in 2008 in far less than three hours after the polls closed.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  640. The world is liberal and we’re just living in it.

    Let’s just acknowledge that and go on.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  641. I think my heart is broken. What is wrong with the Amrican people?

    Lynne Wolfe (105e42)

  642. Current numbers have Romney up in OH with 78% reporting.

    And yet, if Obama manages to win merely because of a squeaker in Ohio, he will likely claim a mandate, and the media will not call him out on that.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  643. 636. Current numbers have Romney up in OH with 78% reporting.

    Comment by JD — 11/6/2012 @ 8:53 pm

    Now that’s what I’m talkin about. Rove could have a point. Rove’s a partisan. So what. Partisanship like perception isn’t reality. The final numbers are.

    Steve57 (320590)

  644. Any news on [Mia Love's] race?

    Earlier in the evening the guys at Powerline seemed a bit disappointed in the outcome. I’ll click around to see if there is some updated information on the vote.

    JVW (f5695c)

  645. The world is liberal and we’re just living in it.

    Ag80, what if the dark side is right on some issues? Have you considered this?

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  646. Have FL and VA been called?

    JD (318f81)

  647. The world is liberal and we’re just living in it.

    Technically, it is more like California liberal — they want all the goodies of the welfare state, provided somebody else is paying for it. We’re about to find out in a hard way that life doesn’t work like that.

    JVW (f5695c)

  648. sequestration looks like the best option on the table really

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  649. What is wrong with the Amrican people?

    They rely on a dishonest media. as Jack Marshall put it,

    The contrast between coverage of Staten Island’s disaster and New Orleans, the press-assisted cover-up on Benghazi, the shrugging off of Fast and Furious, on and on and on. If Bush flew off to a fundraiser after an ambassador had been killed, he would have been crucified.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  650. On CNN, they are both yellow, not Blue or Red.

    [coldplay] and they were all … yellow {/coldplay]

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  651. Florida is almost certainly headed to recount, and Virginia may be too, though some of the people who have been right for most of the evening seem to think Obama may end up on top there.

    JVW (f5695c)

  652. My comment was that FL and VA were both yellow. Fast moving comments here tonight.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  653. “We suffer in silence.”

    Good one.

    Double Heh!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  654. Comrade Raul “Che” Grijalva wins another term.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  655. According to Fox, Matheson is leading Love 51-46% (5000 votes) with 17% of the total counted for the fourth Congressional district in Utah.

    JVW (f5695c)

  656. Mr. Feets – May golden showers of blessings rain upon you, brother, for tomorrow is another day in this exceptional broke dick country what has been raped by greasy azzed socialists for many moons.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  657. someone told our fox news pals to ixnay the christie talk I think

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  658. Yep– as I predicted upthread, Congressman Bob Dold (R)IL 10th, just gave his concession speech. I really am bummed and frustrated tonight.

    elissa (207170)

  659. Had to pop in and share that Van Jones is guest commentating with Anderson Cooper on CNN at the moment. You’re welcome.

    The Sanity Inspector (93bc4f)

  660. Here’s the good news (at the national level): The Republicans control the House and, if they have party discipline, they could cut the liberals off at the knees. They could put an end to ALL transfer payments as well as ALL the stupid regulatory bodies tomorrow, if they wanted to.

    Here’s the bad news: They won’t.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  661. Obama +.4% in Ohio

    Icy (51e2f1)

  662. Of course I’ve considered that the left is correct on some issues.

    I can’t think of any at this point, but I’m sure I do.

    The simple fact is that their viewpoint is the prevailing viewpoint whether I agree or not.

    Regardless, the people of America have decided that the direction of our country should be decided by President Obama.

    I may not like it, but that is the way it is. Voters win. And with this win, I think that the GOP has to make some major decisions about how it will approach future elections.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  663. Marijuana in Colorado – win?

    Christ, is Romney going to concede? I fear that he won’t and we’ll waste 2 weeks hearing conspiracy theories.

    Those of you watching Fox will be amused that the CNN analyst is Van Jones, a discredited Obama advisor / 9/11 Truther. For balance, we have James Carville. Oh, wait.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  664. Now that’s what I’m talkin about. Rove could have a point. Rove’s a partisan. So what. Partisanship like perception isn’t reality. The final numbers are.

    while an Obama victory in Ohio is not out of the question, Romney actually leading the count, at the time when 78% of the vote was counted, makes it clear that it was too early to call.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  665. Thanks Ag80. Very bold of you.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  666. Someone on PBS; I wasn’t looking so don’t know which. Female.

    htom (412a17)

  667. I’m going to Disney World Mr daley!

    What else is a lil pikachu to do? Buy guns and canned goods?

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  668. Just to be clear, I thought Romney was a good candidate, but obviously not good enough. The electoral college vote is a landslide.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  669. If Bush flew off to a fundraiser after an ambassador had been killed, he would have been crucified.

    The enemies of freedom don’t crucify. They behead.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  670. Obama +.4% in Ohio

    What proportion of the vote was counted?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  671. Here’s the good news: Lose a presidential election, and that’s pretty much the end of your career (with a few exceptions, like Dick Nixon), so no more Mitt Romney.

    Here’s the bad news: There’s a never ending supply of Mitt Romney clones in the GOP.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  672. Michele Bachmann with only a 500 vote lead in her re-election bid.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  673. Regardless, the people of America have decided that the direction of our country should be decided by President Obama.

    Ag80, let’s not overstate it. In the end, something like 51.5% of the American people will have chosen President Obama’s direction, assuming that they knew what that direction is and didn’t just vote for him because it seemed like the cool thing to do. The same American People in their infinite wisdom also determined that the Republican party should continue to control the House of Representatives, so I wouldn’t run up the surrender flag just yet.

    JVW (f5695c)

  674. Christie must be brought down. We cannot afford to have him in the conversation in two years.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  675. Obama +.4% in Ohio

    By contrast, in 2008 at 11:14 P.M. CST, Obama was way ahead of McCain and it was clear that he would not lose Ohio.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  676. Big groups of happy clappy people are headed down to McCormick Place. Horns honking, chanting, singing. It reminds me of 4 years ago.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  677. Colorado called for Bambi

    Icy (51e2f1)

  678. Tonight was an ultimate affirmation of Alexis de Toqueville. The majority have learned they can vote themselves money.

    I don’t see our Republic surviving as constituted.

    Ed from SFV (a55dcf)

  679. . In the end, something like 51.5% of the American people will have chosen President Obama’s direction, assuming that they knew what that direction is and didn’t just vote for him because it seemed like the cool thing to do.

    I doubt it will be more than 50.5%; the popular vote polls have predicted a near tie.

    And we should not assume that they “knew what that direction” was; the media did a lot to cover up.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  680. what happens if the house repubs don’t raise the debt limit? or are they p* ssies?

    kaf (81bcc7)

  681. 668. I’m going to Disney World Mr daley!

    What else is a lil pikachu to do? Buy guns and canned goods?

    Comment by happyfeet — 11/6/2012 @ 9:10 pm

    I’m filling out a form for an Obama education grant. I can’t decide if I should choose vocational training in general vagrancy with a specialty in riding the rails or moonshining.

    I would pick moonshining but if I can’t have a 12 guage and a hopped up flathead Ford due to Obama’s envisioned gun control and EPA/energy policies so I can deal with the revenuers I’m leaning towards general vagrancy.

    Steve57 (320590)

  682. Colorado called for Bambi

    What are the vote totals now?

    A ten point swing from Obama in 2008 was pushing it.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  683. I’m filling out a form for an Obama education grant. I can’t decide if I should choose vocational training in general vagrancy with a specialty in riding the rails or moonshining.

    Or banking.

    Bankers do not actually have to do a good job to make money.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  684. I wonder how people are gonna feel in 4 years about a 23 Trillion (23,000,000,000,000.00)debt when China calls in the note.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  685. Vote to legalize marijuana winning in Colorado

    Icy (51e2f1)

  686. And gas at $8.00 plus per gallon.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  687. Romney +100,000 in the popular vote

    Icy (51e2f1)

  688. Yay weed!

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  689. The TOTUS reading is going to make me hurl.

    JD (318f81)

  690. a country boy can survive Mr. 57

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  691. CNN is at 290 – 201. No projection for FL or VA. Colorado is a done deal.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  692. 684. Bankers do not actually have to do a good job to make money.

    Comment by Michael Ejercito — 11/6/2012 @ 9:18 pm

    I’m not an Obama bundler. In the new fundamentally transformed economy that we are going Forward! into, Obama bundler is essentially the new way of saying party member in the old USSR.

    Steve57 (320590)

  693. I got a shotgun rifle and a 4 wheel drive…

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  694. carlitos, in the new fundamentally transformed economy a mule, a bow, and a spear would be more sustainable.

    Steve57 (320590)

  695. that’s a durned good start Mr carlitos

    happyfeet (972b0b)

  696. Isn’t it just the oddest coincidence that today is the 95th anniversary of the “October Revolution!”

    Now Obama has something extra special to celebrate!

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  697. Also, I don’t think now that retaining the House is that big of a deal.

    The GOP candidates in the Senate were crushed.

    The U.S. can no longer be called a divided nation. Although, the electorate is concentrated in eastern and western population centers, when you realize that we can’t win the Midwest, we really don’t matter anymore. We barely won North Carolina, for goodness sake.

    We just have to accept that the left is the future.

    That’s just the way it goes.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  698. Donald Trump is going nuts on Twitter, calling for a march on Washington and revolution.

    It’s pretty funny.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  699. There’s a never ending supply of Mitt Romney clones in the GOP.

    So how do they appeal to the Republican primary voters?

    It is not as if Romney was picked by a secret cabal behind closed doors and forced upon the Republican electorate. He won primary elections held in states. Republicans voted for him.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  700. Mrs. carlito wanted me to assure you all that she’s super not happy. She deals in mortgages, and has to answer the phone with folks say “Obama said I can refinance.” She has also been an election judge in the past.

    She’s not a wishy-washy librul like me. Anyway, she’s in bed feeling depressed.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  701. Although, the electorate is concentrated in eastern and western population centers, when you realize that we can’t win the Midwest, we really don’t matter anymore. We barely won North Carolina, for goodness sake.

    You are assuming that the electorate is aware of Obama’s agenda. But the media is adept in covering for him.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  702. Ballot issues here in AZ were decided largely in favor of the conservative position, including the sound rejection of a proposal to give the state sovereignty over all air & water within its boundaries. I’m buying me a rain-catcher!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  703. ____________________________________________

    According to Fox, Matheson is leading Love 51-46% (5000 votes) with 17% of the total counted for the fourth Congressional district in Utah.

    ^ I think that is very important from both a symbolic and ideological standpoint. It suggests that the 47% figure that Romney described not long ago was wrong in one way: The crowd he was assessing actually may be more pervasive and corrosive than he estimated.

    I focus on liberal sentiment time and time again, because I think people who nitpick away on the pros and cons of controversies such as abortion, or on the wisdom or dumbness of strategy A, B or C are discounting that human nature transcends all such issues and flaps.

    And whether left-leaning sentiments in human nature eventually meets head on with the Sharia-ization of other parts of the world is something that only the best soothsayer can be sure about.

    Mark (66bba6)

  704. Not that the media will follow up on it, but CBS has a piece about an apparent controversy in Ohio, where they used voting machines with inadequately tested software, in open, direct violation of Ohio state election law.

    It’s interesting in that Ohio appears to be the state (with VA and FL currently undecided as I write) that has swung the election to The One.

    P.S., it appears at this point that the POPULAR vote may go to Romney, while The One wins the EC…

    I wonder how many whiners about the electoral college vs. popular vote will have anything to say about this, if it turns out to be true?

    Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Aviary Enthusiast (8e2a3d)

  705. Isn’t it just the oddest coincidence that today is the 95th anniversary of the “October Revolution!”

    Not really. Every US election is on or about that anniversary.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  706. P.S., it appears at this point that the POPULAR vote may go to Romney, while The One wins the EC…

    I wonder how many whiners about the electoral college vs. popular vote will have anything to say about this, if it turns out to be true?

    Romney knew what he was getting into when he ran. The electoral vote is what determines who wins.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  707. As much as I would like to buy the idea that the media’s cover helped Obama, I don’t really think that it mattered.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  708. I wonder how many whiners about the electoral college vs. popular vote will have anything to say about this, if it turns out to be true?

    I’m sure that principled Republicans will be completely consistent with Obama losing the popular vote and winning the electoral vote, based on their reaction to Bush v. Gore. :roll:

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  709. Not really. Every US election is on or about that anniversary.

    I’m sorry. I forgot you are a moron and English is obviously NOT your first language.

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  710. 689.Yay weed!
    Comment by carlitos — 11/6/2012 @ 9:21 pm

    – Same thing Alan Colmes just tweeted.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  711. Look, liberals always move to states that are nice. It won’t be long before Texas is blue. Colorado proved the notion tonight.

    Our future is California. It infests everything.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  712. I’m sure that principled Republicans will be completely consistent with Obama losing the popular vote and winning the electoral vote, based on their reaction to Bush v. Gore. :roll:

    I will be consistent.

    As much as I would like to buy the idea that the media’s cover helped Obama, I don’t really think that it mattered.

    In an election this close, it definitely mattered.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  713. ‘Isn’t it just the oddest coincidence that today is the 95th anniversary of the “October Revolution!”’

    Stupid commies. Having an October Revolution in November. No wonder communism always fails.

    P.S. Yes, thank you. I do know about the Julian calendar. I was just joking. Trying to dispel the gloom of defeat with a little silliness.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  714. Who cares if you win the popular vote?

    JD (318f81)

  715. Not to tell the host (who appears to have sensibly called it a night) how to run his blog, but perhaps there can be some fun games that we can play here on Patterico’s Pontifications. We can have commenter pools on when the following will occur:

    1) First time an Obama flack blames Bush for the continued economic malaise.

    2) First blowhard newspaper editorial to declare that the GOP has to move to the center and work to implement the Obama agenda. [Answer, tomorrow.]

    3) First suggestion that requests for more information on Benghazi are just GOP obstructionism and bitterness at the election results.

    4) First announcement that Iran has armed a nuclear warhead capable of reaching Tel Aviv.

    5) First trial balloon from the Obama Administration that the top tax bracket should actually be 45%, not the 39.6% they have been angling for the past two years.

    JVW (f5695c)

  716. Colorado proved the notion tonight.

    Colorado turned blue long ago.

    I am sure you have heard of Gary Hart.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  717. Obama takes slight lead in the popular vote.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  718. Romney is NOT going to win the popular vote. The margin of Obama votes on the LEFT COAST will be heavily skewed toward Obama and he will win the popular vote and the electoral college. Assuming G*d doesn’t unleash the Apocalypse on America before they meet to cast the votes, that is…

    WarEagle82 (97b777)

  719. “I’m sure that principled Republicans will be completely consistent with Obama losing the popular vote”

    Yeah, except as several people have pointed out. it’s real, real unlikely he’s going to lose the popular vote. California will put him over the top…with plenty to spare.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  720. 701. Mrs. carlito wanted me to assure you all that she’s super not happy. She deals in mortgages, and has to answer the phone with folks say “Obama said I can refinance.” She has also been an election judge in the past.

    She’s not a wishy-washy librul like me. Anyway, she’s in bed feeling depressed.

    Comment by carlitos — 11/6/2012 @ 9:30 pm

    It’s funny; I don’t find myself the least bit depressed. I spent the last four years wondering what kind of country I was living in. It was the uncertainty that bothered me. Now I know.

    Cool.

    Steve57 (320590)

  721. – Same thing Alan Colmes just tweeted.

    Comment by Icy — 11/6/2012 @ 9:37 pm

    I looked at his twitter account, and that’s not true.

    Oh boy, CNN just called Virginia for Obama. Game over.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  722. Mark Steyn, as always, provides a very sobering look at why conservatism is going in the tank, even in places that don’t look like California.

    JVW (f5695c)

  723. Michele Bachmann’s lead down to 120 votes.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  724. Obama said voting is the best revenge. I wonder what evil idea he has in store for us.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  725. _____________________________________________

    I’m sure that principled Republicans will be completely consistent with Obama losing the popular vote and winning the electoral vote, based on their reaction to Bush v. Gore.

    I hope you’re not being sarcastic about that. Don’t forget that a large majority of trial lawyers and other devious types (or the ones most likely to want to change the rules of the game in mid-stream) are overwhelmingly of the left.

    Mark (66bba6)

  726. Michelle Bachmann is a twat. Arkansas votes no on pot.

    In Colorado, apparently marijuana is completely legalized.

    Same-sex marriage in Maryland is approved.

    Good on you all, proponents of liberty.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  727. Oh boy, CNN just called Virginia for Obama. Game over.

    What is the vote count and percentage of precincts reported?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  728. “Michelle Bachmann is a twat.”

    Maybe.

    But, at least she doesn’t demand that I pay for her birth control.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  729. C-N-N. It’s a cable channel. Feel free.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  730. Yeah, that’s the thing that pisses me off about women. They all want me to pay for their birth control. I figure that $20 per month times the number of women I know costs me like ten grand a year.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  731. Obama will win the popular vote.

    Everything nice gets ruined by the left.

    Earlier tonight I was listening to someone, I think it was Levin, but I could be wrong.

    Anyway, he was saying that if you gave the lefties all of the land east of the Mississippi River and gave the right wingers all of the west, the lefties would start digging tunnels to get back to the good life.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  732. I’m sorry. I forgot you are a moron and English is obviously NOT your first language.

    Huh? What is that supposed to mean? In whatever language you’re speaking, which is clearly not English.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  733. Polls about to close in Alaska. That’s 3 more electoral votes for Mitt!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  734. “The phone call has been made” = Romney has conceded.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  735. Mrs. carlito wanted me to assure you all that she’s super not happy. She deals in mortgages, and has to answer the phone with folks say “Obama said I can refinance.” She has also been an election judge in the past.

    She’s not a wishy-washy librul like me. Anyway, she’s in bed feeling depressed.

    Send her over to this blog!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  736. First suggestion that requests for more information on Benghazi are just GOP obstructionism and bitterness at the election results.

    Or that the result means the public has endorsed what he did, and anyone who keeps on about it, or about fast & furious, or any other scandal of the first four years, is defying the will of the people.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  737. Romney has called Obama to concede.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  738. Hey Patterico, you’d like the Mrs. if you ever met her. She has given up for the night. I’ll try to have JD meet her and maybe he can vouch.

    Romney on his way to the mike. That’s all, folks.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  739. Thomas and Alito are young enough. Roberts, who is generally good but caved on ObamaCare, is also young.

    Hopefully Scalia and even that jerk Kennedy can hang on.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  740. Romney coming out to concede.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  741. Goodbye U.S.A. Hello U.S.S. of A. you were a free country for 236 years.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  742. What does everyone think of Chris Christie now?

    Does he have any standing in the Republican Party?

    Does he save his job from a challenge from the mayor of Newark?

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  743. Or that the result means the public has endorsed what he did, and anyone who keeps on about it, or about fast & furious, or any other scandal of the first four years, is defying the will of the people.

    Or the result means the public was unaware because the media buried the story.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  744. Speech is awkward, but I guess they all are at this point.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  745. Hey Patterico, you’d like the Mrs. if you ever met her. She has given up for the night. I’ll try to have JD meet her and maybe he can vouch.

    This blog could use more smart, conservative commenters. We have some but we can always use more.

    I didn’t say “female” as one of the adjectives, but I was thinking it.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  746. “I pray that the president will be successful in guiding our nation.” No! No! A thousand times no! He is guiding our nation over a cliff; how can you pray for his success? Limbaugh was right four years ago – we can only desperately hope he fails.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  747. Goodbye U.S.A. Hello U.S.S. of A. you were a free country for 236 years.

    And we have the media to thank for that.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  748. Screw Chris Christie and the horse he rode in on. I was telling everyone he was a RINO when they were wanting him to run for the nomination.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  749. Californians (and interested parties), you can follow the results of the ballot propositions at the Secretary of State’s site.

    So far with 17.2% of the vote in, Jerry Brown’s tax hike is lagging in support. I wonder if the vote that has been counted is skewed to conservative or liberal districts (or a mix of both).

    JVW (f5695c)

  750. Yeah, he didn’t just now write this.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  751. FWIW, I was hearing from a good source that Romney’s folks have been worried about Ohio for a while now.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  752. JVW,

    I have a post in the works about it. Thanks.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  753. I am not going to try to talk people out of hating Chris Christie, but I refuse to believe that anyone cared all that much about his photo-op with Obama. Sure, it made a nice liberal talking point for a few days but I can’t imagine it swayed anybody’s vote.

    JVW (f5695c)

  754. FWIW, I was hearing from a good source that Romney’s folks have been worried about Ohio for a while now.

    It was going to be close. The winner was not yet clear even with 80% of the votes counted.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  755. All done, less than 1200 words. God Bless, Mr. Mitt.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  756. I am not going to try to talk people out of hating Chris Christie, but I refuse to believe that anyone cared all that much about his photo-op with Obama. Sure, it made a nice liberal talking point for a few days but I can’t imagine it swayed anybody’s vote.

    Who would have been swayed by his vote?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  757. JVW:

    No SF or LA ballots yet. I expect Prop 30 to pass, despite the early numbers.

    –JRM

    JRM (cd0a37)

  758. I cannot watch Obama’s TOTUS reading. Over/under on I/me/my?

    JD (ac62a1)

  759. If you guys are still talking about Christie / Obama in 4 years, the Republicans won’t be victorious.

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  760. I am not going to try to talk people out of hating Chris Christie, but I refuse to believe that anyone cared all that much about his photo-op with Obama. Sure, it made a nice liberal talking point for a few days but I can’t imagine it swayed anybody’s vote.

    I can’t imagine the gazillion Obama murals and pictures at polling places across the country swung the election — but I CAN imagine that ANYTHING swayed people’s vote.

    Did you guys see Allahpundit’s post today? A Google search on “who is running for president” skyrocketed in recent days.

    Not everyone who votes is as up on the issues as we are.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  761. Obama wins — and we all lose.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  762. I don’t know if I can bear to listen to Obama.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  763. ____________________________________________

    Just think of how ideologically and operationally corrupt things are going to really become. I say that as someone who admits to being personally desensitized over the years by the stretching and distorting of socio-economic boundaries. IOW, what would have dismayed and shocked a good number of people in the past (including me) is now increasingly taken in stride in the present. From that is the core of the idea (or theory) that great societies generally don’t last much beyond 200 years.

    Mark (66bba6)

  764. Goodnight, all.

    JD (ac62a1)

  765. Update: Bachmann up by 1,000 votes

    Icy (51e2f1)

  766. I don’t know if I can bear to listen to Obama.

    What is he saying?

    Although I would not be surprised if he claimed a mandate, despite the closeness of the election.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  767. Close race for AZ District 2 House seat. Gabby Giffords’ chosen successor, Ron Barber, has only a half-point lead over Martha McSally.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  768. Praying for him is all very well. He is the president and nothing we do can change that. But pray for God to guide him, not for him to guide the nation. May he be led to break all his bad promises, as he did his promises to close Guantanamo, give KSM a civilian trial, and surrender to the Islamists.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  769. I’m really interested in what tack the House GOP takes in the coming sequestration/budget talks. On the one hand, I think that on principle they should come to the table with a credible plan — shaped more by Paul Ryan than by Mitt Romney — which calls for tax reform, less spending, and a rollback of regulatory government. From there, they can start sniping with Obama and Senate Democrats.

    On the other hand, I couldn’t rightly blame the House GOP if they say, “You know what Mr. President? Your healthcare financing plan calls for $700B in cuts from Medicare. You have vowed to ‘preserve’ Social Security. You claim to want to keep our military strong. And you have promised deficit reduction. You go ahead and show us your cards and present a budget on how you are going to accomplish these goals, and we’ll react to what you propose rather than the other way around.”

    JVW (f5695c)

  770. . May he be led to break all his bad promises, as he did his promises to close Guantanamo

    If captured terrorists were shot summarily, like we did to German spies in the ’40′s, we would not need to keep Guantanamo open.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  771. Obama, “I won, you lost, get over it, you can take a seat in the back of the bus.”

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  772. Mia Love only down 250 votes!

    Icy (51e2f1)

  773. _____________________________________________

    No SF or LA ballots yet. I expect Prop 30 to pass, despite the early numbers.

    I just read an article in today’s Wall Street Journal about how the Socialist (ie, ultra-liberal) president of France (recently elected) originally nixed the idea of an increase in the VAT tax—or what is the ultra form of the sales tax in the US, while his right-leaning opponent (the former president Nicholas Sarkozy) supported it.

    The contradictions and lunacy embedded in all of that is also reflected in Spain, where their right-leaning prime minister (also voted into office not too long ago) campaigned against an increase in the VAT, but has since decided to ratchet it up to over 20%.

    We are entering murky, smelly, polluted waters, and everyone is flailing about.

    Mark (66bba6)

  774. Mr. Feets – When you are in the Disneyhood, go further East toward Titusville and the Space Center. Go see the Manatees, they look sort of like Chris Christie, but darker and in water and the Space Center tours are way cool. Take an airboat ride over that direction and see many gators, snakes and birds. Plus most of America’s Most Wanted usually run out of gas over by there. You can tell because of that’s where they find them.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  775. 727. Same-sex marriage in Maryland is approved.

    Good on you all, proponents of liberty.

    Comment by carlitos — 11/6/2012 @ 9:45 pm

    carlitos, if forcing people to accept a government-redefined version of marriage is your idea of liberty then you’ll love Obama’s second first term.

    This has been the change you’ve been waiting for, dude. Open wide.

    Steve57 (320590)

  776. Let’s hear it for free contraception!

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  777. The contradictions and lunacy embedded in all of that is also reflected in Spain, where their right-leaning prime minister (also voted into office not too long ago) campaigned against an increase in the VAT, but has since decided to ratchet it up to over 20%.

    I don’t know if what you describe is so irregular in the left-right spectrum in Europe. Given that the European right is largely about as supportive of tax increases as the American left is, I am not surprised that they choose to increase the VAT rather than calling for increases in corporate or personal income taxes. The Euro left, conversely, knows that the working class part of their coalition wants someone else to pay taxes, so they support corporate and income tax increases instead of VAT increases.

    JVW (f5695c)

  778. So, you Californians voted AGAINST repealing the death penalty, and FOR revising the three-strikes law.

    Mr. Frey, have you heard about a place called Texas? Lots of nice places to live over there.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  779. 750. So far with 17.2% of the vote in, Jerry Brown’s tax hike is lagging in support. I wonder if the vote that has been counted is skewed to conservative or liberal districts (or a mix of both).

    Comment by JVW — 11/6/2012 @ 9:58 pm

    Who cares? What they were counting on was an Obama victory so they could tax people outside the state to pay for their frivolities. Now they’ve got it.

    Get ready Texas, Tennessee, etc. Now you’re paying Kali taxes.

    Steve57 (320590)

  780. So, you Californians voted AGAINST repealing the death penalty, and FOR revising the three-strikes law.

    Still a lot of votes to be counted, Icy. It’s very possible that we will vote FOR repealing the death penalty and FOR revising three-strikes.

    JVW (f5695c)

  781. Still a lot of votes to be counted, Icy. It’s very possible that we will vote FOR repealing the death penalty and FOR revising three-strikes.

    How much press did Prop. 34 get?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  782. ____________________________________________

    carlitos, if forcing people to accept a government-redefined version of marriage is your idea of liberty then you’ll love Obama’s second first term.

    Speaking of which, what pisses me off is that a very liberal person I have to deal with on a regular basis — who’s blindly loyal to anything that moves, eats and breathes from the left — was snickering about some guys in the media a few weeks ago who apparently are gay (I don’t know the details, but I caught the gist of the mocking). I wanted to yell: “Hey, bud, it’s your beloved left that is turning homosexuality into a very wonderful, beautiful, increasingly common facet of this society.”

    I strongly dislike that two-faced nature of various people. Personally, I’d rather have a person who opposes the dumbing down of our culture — certainly through the force of government — while being very mature, decent and fair-minded about their fellow humans on a direct, personal basis.

    Mark (66bba6)

  783. I dutifully voted Romney today, just as I dutifully voted McCain, just as I dutifully voted Dole. But no more. I will next vote Republican when and only when the party nominates a true and authentic conservative, not someone like Willard, who–in Krauthamer’s apt phrase–speaks conservative only as a second language.

    Kevin Stafford (1d1b9e)

  784. Mr. Frey, have you heard about a place called Texas? Lots of nice places to live over there.

    Seems like I might have heard of the place I grew up, yeah.

    Still a lot of votes to be counted, Icy. It’s very possible that we will vote FOR repealing the death penalty and FOR revising three-strikes.

    We’re not repealing it tonight. That is my prediction.

    But I don’t see any executions happening any time soon.

    Recall: I have someone on Death Row. He richly deserves to be there and richly deserves to be executed.

    I don’t see it happening any time soon.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  785. Patterico, FWIW, I agree with your prediction. Even if it gets 80% of SF county, I think it’s toast based on the numbers I see right now.

    aphrael (ca5099)

  786. Mr. Stafford,

    Check your email.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  787. Supporters of 36 will get what they asked for.

    They probably won’t be the ones killed.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  788. Go ahead, Florida, stick that final nail in.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  789. Minnesota appears to have closely NOT defined marriage to be between one man and one woman in our constitution 49.2%, and to NOT require government issued photo ID to vote in our constitution 47.7%; >50% required.

    htom (412a17)

  790. I don’t see it happening any time soon.

    What is the delay?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  791. We’re going to learn a lot about California liberals tonight. On a night in which they overwhelming reelect Obama and Feinstein, all the House Democrats, and perhaps even knock off Dan Lundgren, will a sizable portion of them also decide to not raise their own taxes to fund the goodies that their party insists are absolutely for the survival of the state? What will Jerry Brown think of that.

    I know it is tight and the Yes on 30 vote might eventually pull ahead, but I wonder how many people go into the voting booth and vote a straight Democrat ticket, but then decide they aren’t willing to pay more sales tax for it.

    JVW (f5695c)

  792. But no more. I will next vote Republican when and only when the party nominates a true and authentic conservative, not someone like Willard, who–in Krauthamer’s apt phrase–speaks conservative only as a second language.

    In your opinion, why do not true and authentic conservatives appeal to Republican voters?

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  793. Sasha and Malia, thanks to me you won’t have to pay for birth control.

    JVW (f5695c)

  794. Goodbye U.S.A. Hello U.S.S. of A. you were a free country for 236 years.

    A free press in necessary for a free country.

    But it is insufficient. Among other things, a free country needs an honest press.

    I linked to Jack Marshall’s blog before, and I will reiterate all of his points in one comment.

    In a normal scenario, the election wouldn’t be close; not with the economic mess, the gridlock on Capitol Hill, Obama’s spectacularly broken promises regarding transparency and avoiding divisiveness, and higher taxes looming. Many factors have insulated Obama from the reasonable consequences of all this. He has a large voting block that is motivated more by group loyalty than self-interest; his cynical divisiveness strategy has been partially successful as an election strategy, though it will have terrible consequences that will plague American society for years to come; the news media has distorted coverage of both the campaign and the issues to an obscene degree in order to boost the President over the goal line; and Americans are naturally reticent to admit that they made a mistake, especially when that mistake made them feel so good at the time

    Well, you know I believe in ethics incompleteness, and that no rule works all the time. There are plenty of factors that could interfere with the normal trend, mainly that the media has effectively obscured just how weak Obama really is by fawning over him. Obama has been an exception before, you know. He’s exceptional, if nothing else.

    If Obama wins, its because the majority of the public thinks he isn’t a weak leader. I’ll credit the press for that, as well as phony leadership creds like the death of Osama. And of course if Romney wins the popular vote, I was right. If Silver’s bet pays off due to a fluke like an electoral-popular vote split after a freak storm, nobody should be impressed.

    (In reply to my question about why the press gets credit)
    Kidding, right? The contrast between coverage of Staten Island’s disaster and New Orleans, the press-assisted cover-up on Benghazi, the shrugging off of Fast and Furious, on and on and on. If Bush flew off to a fundraiser after an ambassador had been killed, he would have been crucified.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  795. Net swing of 2 states, 33 electoral votes and 4% of the popular vote to the GOP. Better, but not enough.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  796. Michael — some other thread.

    htom (412a17)

  797. Oh God, the guy who just ran one of the most cynical and negative campaigns of all time is now bemoaning how small and petty politics can seem at times. No self-awareness at all.

    JVW (f5695c)

  798. Dems at Obama-fest wildly cheer the line about “a warming planet” causing harm, but utter hardly a peep about the problem that record deficits pose. Which one do you think is the more immediate threat?

    JVW (f5695c)

  799. For another example of how the media ” distorted coverage of both the campaign and the issues to an obscene degree”, I give you this Facebook picture with the caption, “We, the People, decided to hire a President who will work for US and not the corporations”

    But a reporter on the Huffington Post wrote, ”
    Barack Obama: King Of Corporate Welfare

    No matter what else he achieves or where he falls short, Barack Obama can lay claim to the title of King of Corporate Subsidies.

    Using any of a variety of measures, the Obama administration has broken all records in the distribution of taxpayer dollars to American businesses, primarily banks, automobile manufacturers and insurance companies.

    The tidal wave of dollar bills has stunned folks on all sides of the political spectrum.

    And yet, this did not gain any widespread traction. I wonder why.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  800. Dems at Obama-fest wildly cheer the line about “a warming planet” causing harm, but utter hardly a peep about the problem that record deficits pose.

    a warming planet can be dealt with while simultaneously reducing America’s nuclear arsenal.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  801. I wish I was sitting there in the front row so I could laugh out loud in his face at some of his foolishness.

    htom (412a17)

  802. __________________________________________

    They probably won’t be the ones killed.

    That reminds me of an article I was reading a few months ago about Argentina. I don’t recall the thrust of the report, but I believe it focused on how that country’s economy and government have been faring over the past few years.

    One of the people interviewed in the story was a young woman living in Buenos Aires, the capital of Argentina. Crime apparently is so extreme there that the woman said she’s been mugged around 12 times over a period of time. I was dumbfounded and stunned when I read that description.

    Keep in mind that Argentina is demographically mainly of European extraction and lacks the racial-ethnic diversity of the US. But its people have been courting and carousing with the left for over 100 years. That could be a good clue as to why the concept of “you reap what you sow” is applicable to that nation.

    Mark (66bba6)

  803. Wow, he just referenced the SEALs who took out Bin Laden, but nary a word about the two SEALs who were killed in Benghazi because he wouldn’t send in reinforcements.

    JVW (f5695c)

  804. I really want to see the we-me-I-us count.

    htom (412a17)

  805. Paused it, watching the start of the speech, disgusted.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  806. Guaranteed success! We can all be above average! We all win!

    htom (412a17)

  807. Oh my God.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  808. I think he really believes in this load of manure he’s selling. I suppose that’s ok if it’s your job to sell manure.

    As bad as the evening has been, it would have been far worse without this thread. Thank you all, and especially you, Patterico.

    htom (412a17)

  809. I am NOT falling in love with Michelle Obama. Does that make me not part of America??

    Patterico (8b3905)

  810. Racist!

    htom (412a17)

  811. Thanks, htom. I am happy I could somehow help cushion this awful blow for somebody. I appreciate it. A lot.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  812. So long as D’s dominate the large urban areas, R’s will continue to lose states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, ect. Unless R’s can get the courts to agree to voter ID cards.

    I was born and raised in Cleveland and still work in Cuyahoga county and have witnessed 1st hand the deterioration of the city and county because of D corruption, oppressive taxation and subsidization of what should be corporate facilities. Yet even though the people are viewed as nothing more than a piggy bank to the reigning D establishment, the citizens continue to reelect these fools.

    Why? Because, I’d estimate that over 50% of those living within Cleveland are receiving some sort of Fed assistance.

    scott (b8618e)

  813. And yes. I am obviously a racist.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  814. It was a long-winded stump speech where a more subdued and humble acceptance speech would have been more appropriate. Maybe he deserves the night to puff out his chest, but from here on in it would behoove him to acknowledge that the same public that reelected him also chose to kept the House in GOP control, so they most certainly did not provide a mandate for a repeat of Obama’s first term.

    JVW (f5695c)

  815. Yeah, a lot of military spouses were working for you, Barry.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  816. ___________________________________________

    a warming planet can be dealt with while simultaneously reducing America’s nuclear arsenal.

    Meanwhile, Obama and like-minded liberals (eg, the Secretary of Energy) are not just nonchalant about the increase in prices for energy, gasoline included, they either pine for it or accept it passively and apathetically. Worse of all, Obama, in one interview (not sure if it was recorded before or after his time in office), says nonchalantly that his environmental policies will cause an increase in costs to the American consumer. Just like that. No sweat, no problem.

    And why is so much of the public such saps and suckers about leftist politicians and their viewpoints? Well, look at the sheeple of Europe. They’ve been facing and grappling with astronomically high gasoline prices for years and years. Prices pushed up mainly because of absurdly high taxes imposed on petrol at the behest of the politicians in question.

    Mark (66bba6)

  817. So am I. Long ago … I filled out a USMC form that asked for my nationality. I put “American”. OMG did that get me in trouble. Some other time.

    Gotta go.

    htom (412a17)

  818. We want Americans to live in a country not burdened by debt?

    Are you kidding??

    Patterico (8b3905)

  819. Maybe he deserves the night to puff out his chest, but from here on in it would behoove him to acknowledge that the same public that reelected him also chose to kept the House in GOP control, so they most certainly did not provide a mandate for a repeat of Obama’s first term.

    Not only that, it was a much closer race. Bush, Clinton, and Reagan could lay claim to the fact they increased their PV and EV totals in their re-election bids; Obama can not do so credibly.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  820. And with just under 36% reporting, Jerry Brown’s tax measure surges ahead.

    JVW (f5695c)

  821. AAAAUUUGH.

    Prop. 30 is now leading with a little more than 1/3 of the vote in.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  822. Why? Because, I’d estimate that over 50% of those living within Cleveland are receiving some sort of Fed assistance.

    Ironically, left-leaning alternative newspapers are the only ones willing to call out corrupt local officials.

    So long as D’s dominate the large urban areas, R’s will continue to lose states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, ect. Unless R’s can get the courts to agree to voter ID cards.

    they got the Supreme Court to agree to voter ID cards in Indiana.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  823. JVW,

    I had not seen your comment, but we’re on the same page.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  824. @259- no doubt the same could be said of FDR’s first of four terms after the Harding/Cooledge/Hoover mess came crashing down. Reversing thirty years of trickldown economics will take more than four years.

    I just approved this IMP comment because it reveals his utter ignorance of the Great Depression and its causes.

    Yeah, FDR was a Great Success!

    Patterico (8b3905)

  825. .

    I just approved this IMP comment because it reveals his utter ignorance of the Great Depression and its causes.

    Note that he implies that the mess was Clinton’s fault.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  826. Please do expand in detail, IMP, about Hoover’s failures and FDR’s successes.

    I confidently predict you will not provide any detail because you’ll be summarily shot down.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  827. well, Romney is gone. Obama has now no one to blame.

    Obamas only path to re-election was a Mitt Romney nomination, as I said here many times

    its good we will have a stronger house,

    EPWJ (d84fb0)

  828. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Patterico (8b3905)

  829. Finally he is shutting up, I think.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  830. Hey look! It’s . . . Joe Biden.

    Patterico (8b3905)

  831. Bachmann has a 1,700 vote lead

    Icy (51e2f1)

  832. On my California ballot today I was asked five times to raise my taxes: Twice in statewide propositions, once in a county measure to extend the sales tax for transportation projects, and twice in local measures to fund my local school district and my local school district. It seems a pretty solid bet that at least three and maybe four of those measures will pass, though the saving grace is that I think the county and local measures need a 55% vote in order to pass.

    Honestly, this state really seems to believe that when they run short of money the answer is to demand more from the taxpayer. If Prop. 30 passes then Jerry Brown probably avoids having to negotiate pension give-backs from public employees, he can just leave that problem to the next (Democrat) governor who will undoubtedly ask for yet another tax increase.

    JVW (f5695c)

  833. If Prop. 30 passes then Jerry Brown probably avoids having to negotiate pension give-backs from public employees, he can just leave that problem to the next (Democrat) governor who will undoubtedly ask for yet another tax increase.

    I am not a state employee, but if a public employee plans for retirement based on a pension (to which he or she contributed), is the correct solution to slash that planned retirement, or to force the people creating the budget to pay as they go for all the goodies (here’s $$$ for you NON workers!!!) they want to give away?

    Patterico (8b3905)

  834. Please do expand in detail, IMP, about Hoover’s failures and FDR’s successes.

    I confidently predict you will not provide any detail because you’ll be summarily shot down.

    Amity Shlaes biography on Calvin Coolidge will be published in February (I think this link will provide ordering credit to Patterico’s Pontifications), and it will no doubt destroy IMP’s vision of a Coolidge failure much as her book on the New Deal destroyed the myth of FDR leading us out of the Depression.

    JVW (f5695c)

  835. Thanks to the siphoning of votes by the Libertarian candidate, Mia Love has lost. She lost by 1.2 points (the L candidate received 2.6% of the vote).

    Icy (51e2f1)

  836. well, Romney is gone. Obama has now no one to blame.

    Comment by EPWJ — 11/6/2012 @ 11:17 pm

    Don’t you bet on it. Obama never runs out of people to blame.

    Steve57 (320590)

  837. Or ATMs or automated airport ticket kiosks or Japanese tsunamis or…

    Well the list goes on. For four more years, unfortunately.

    Steve57 (320590)

  838. Goodnight, racists.

    Icy (51e2f1)

  839. I am not a state employee, but if a public employee plans for retirement based on a pension (to which he or she contributed), is the correct solution to slash that planned retirement, or to force the people creating the budget to pay as they go for all the goodies (here’s $$$ for you NON workers!!!) they want to give away?

    A couple of points there: Lots of public employees contributed less than half of their total pension costs, meaning the taxpayer picked up 50% or more. Second, way back when the awful decision was made to have defined benefit pensions instead of defined contributions, it left the taxpayer on the hook to make up any discrepancy, which Gray Davis was happy to codify into law. So I guess my point is that the pensions need to be reworked to reflect what is feasible based upon the actual contributions, not what was promised by venal politicians in exchange for public employee union campaign support.

    JVW (f5695c)

  840. Over half the CA vote in and Prop 30 is now running ahead by 52%-48%. I reckon that left-wing precincts in San Francisco and Los Angeles have held back their votes in case they needed to manufacture more of them to provide the winning margin, so I suppose it’s now a done deal.

    JVW (f5695c)

  841. I am not a state employee, but if a public employee plans for retirement based on a pension (to which he or she contributed), is the correct solution to slash that planned retirement, or to force the people creating the budget to pay as they go for all the goodies (here’s $$$ for you NON workers!!!) they want to give away?

    I’ve read the above quote about five times and I’m curious; can anyone make any sense of it? Is it sane?

    Steve57 (320590)

  842. Thanks to the siphoning of votes by the Libertarian candidate, Mia Love has lost. She lost by 1.2 points (the L candidate received 2.6% of the vote).

    I am sorry to see Mia Love lose, Icy, but in all fairness she lost by about 3000 votes with the Libertarian winning 5600 votes. This means that in order to have won, Ms. Love would have either had to win 75% of those votes (4300 for her vs. 1300 for her opponent), or she would have had to win 3000 of those votes and hoped that the rest of them would not have chosen a candidate, or something in between (like 3800 for her 800 for her opponent, and 1000 not voting). In other words, I am not sure the Libertarian candidate is solely to blame here.

    JVW (f5695c)

  843. ______________________________________________

    I briefly saw mentioned in an online article that “liberal” and “liberalism” are bad words to people in Greece. I did a double-take and said “huh?!” I at first thought my assessment of the corrupting nature of a certain ideological bias (ie, liberal or leftism, as defined in America—and, ultimately, in Greece too) didn’t apply to folks in that land on the Mediterranean.

    Nope, based on the following my assumptions still apply. However, the way words are defined here or there may be topsy-turvy.

    ekathimerini.com, May 2012:

    “In Greece, a liberal is called a ‘neoliberal’ and is perceived as a ‘neoconservative’,” says Constantinos Alexacos, an architect who ran as a candidate with the Drasi party in the May 6 elections.

    The poor showing has prompted a fair deal of frustration and soul-searching among self-described liberals in this debt-wracked nation. If there is one thing they all agree on it’s that their doctrine is a perennial victim of bad publicity. For a wide range of reasons, liberalism is still a dirty word for many, particularly those on the left.

    “Like capitalism, liberal ideologies in Greece have been defined by their opponents, not their supporters. We’ve allowed others to tell the Greek population what we are, what we believe, who we are aligned with,” says Emmanuel Schizas, editor of the LOL Greece blog. “Essentially, if you call yourself a liberal, the reasoning goes, you are pro-war, pro-monopolies, a corporatist, unfeeling and uncaring, and have a casual tolerance for corruption, inequality and the suppression of political rights,” adds Schizas.

    It’s quite an exasperating situation for people who have traditionally espoused such values as individual freedom, rule of law, active but accountable government, free but responsible markets, and mutual toleration. Most liberals have called for a smaller government, fewer civil servants, privatizations and further deregulation of closed professions. But the fact that liberal parties chose to back the deeply unpopular austerity policies attached to the EU-IMF bailout deal didn’t do much to promote their ideas.

    To be sure, allergy to liberal ideas goes further back and has systematically been fed by the system of nepotism, clientelism and corruption that took hold of Greek society after populist PASOK rose to power in 1981. Any attempts to contain the country’s gigantic and profligate state ran against the interests of the ruling parties and their voters. Over time, liberal reforms were seen as coming together with a self-destruct button.

    It’s hard to miss the uncomfortable truth at the core of the liberal creed: “The liberal parties are in the business of pointing out trade-offs; telling people they can’t have everything. That’s been a widely unpopular way of thinking in Greece since the ‘change’ of 1981,” says Schizas, referring to the late Andreas Papandreou’s famous campaign slogan which heralded the massive, but often misguided, program of wealth redistribution which was to follow.

    We are all Greece.

    Mark (66bba6)

  844. Let me take a shot at Patterico’s question.

    You have a pension plan that you’ve contributed to; the State collected funds from you and promised payments. The State now cannot keep its contract with you, doesn’t have the money to pay. Should it (1) Pay what it can, cutting the promised payments or (2) Pay what it promised, leaving the legislature to cut other payments or find more funds to balance the budget?

    There are doubtless other alternatives.

    htom (412a17)

  845. Steve57, I interpreted it as saying that public employees did in fact contribute to their retirement and have anticipated that the pension obligations would be met and planned accordingly, therefore it isn’t all their fault that the politicians didn’t fulfill their end. While I agree that argument has merit, my response boils down to “why should the public be forced to meet unrealistic promises made by the previous generation of politicians in return for campaign help?”

    JVW (f5695c)

  846. Because no rational person would work for the State if it took so much of a person’s life and didn’t pay as it promised. Of course, that can be said of a lot of pension plans and employers these days ….

    htom (412a17)

  847. Mark, liberalism is the idea that the state should not interfere in people’s lives, that it should leave them alone and let them work out their own destiny. In other words, what in America is called conservatism or libertarianism. In America the socialists stole the name “liberal” just as they steal everything else.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  848. JVW — also, it’s the available mechanism to teach them about the consequences of their election choices. They’ve been thinking the State’s money was somehow different than their (the voters’) money.

    htom (412a17)

  849. Aww, jeez. I guess I stepped it in. I didn’t realize (or maybe it didn’t, dunno) it came from our host.

    But in for a penny in for a pound. I had a hard time interpreting:

    or to force the people creating the budget to pay as they go for all the goodies (here’s $$$ for you NON workers!!!) they want to give away?

    If we’re talking public union goodies, didn’t the public unions help create the goodies “they want to give away?”

    Which, in my own defense, would have been my natural reaction regardless.

    Steve57 (320590)

  850. Because no rational person would work for the State if it took so much of a person’s life and didn’t pay as it promised.

    Are you kidding? Do you think the folks working at the DMV are accountable to anyone? Do you ever really hear about mass layoffs in the comptroller’s office or about people in the budget or treasury office being fired because they mis-forecast the financial figures? The idea used to be that government jobs didn’t pay much, but they were secure and (if truth be told) often very cushy and low stress. They the public employee unions started angling for more pay and nice pensions, leading to the situation today where state jobs often have nice pay, lavish benefits, low stress, and no accountability. I know plenty of people in the private sector who are actively looking to move into a cushy public sector job.

    JVW (f5695c)

  851. 84847.Steve57, I interpreted it as saying that public employees did in fact contribute to their retirement and have anticipated that the pension obligations would be met and planned accordingly, therefore it isn’t all their fault that the politicians didn’t fulfill their end. While I agree that argument has merit, my response boils down to “why should the public be forced to meet unrealistic promises made by the previous generation of politicians in return for campaign help?”

    Comment by JVW — 11/7/2012 @ 12:02 am
    7.

    I disagree entirely because the politician isn’t signing up for any “end” to fulfill. The pol’s just tossing a grenade in as he exits.

    Steve57 (320590)

  852. Someone else will clean up the mess.

    Steve57 (320590)

  853. Someone else will clean up the mess.

    Well, speaking of that, Prop. 30 is holding close to that 52-48 margin with over 60% of the vote in. I am assuming that it will pass and my night is completely wrecked. It will be very interesting to see if (1) the tax hikes really raise $6B or if the actual number falls short of that and (2) how much of the money raised actually does go to education versus being plugged into other holes in the budget.

    I go to bed thoroughly defeated. Good night everyone; there will be better days ahead.

    JVW (f5695c)

  854. In your opinion, why do not true and authentic conservatives appeal to Republican voters?

    Comment by Michael Ejercito — 11/6/2012 @ 10:38 pm

    As long as we let states like liberal New Hampshire and Iowa be the ones to primary and caucus first, they set the pace for squishes to do better, true conservatives will find it hard to win. This needs to be challenged by Tea Party members and real conservatives in congress and the GOP, and true conservative states that actually do vote for the GOP in races need to hold primaries first.

    If you think the economy sucks now, just wait for the real unemployment figures come in. When the numbers of planned layoffs come in due to sequestration and Bammycare, it won’t be a recession that we will be in, it will be a full blown depression. Also with the new regs from the EPA, look for energy prices of all stripes to skyrocket. Rampant inflation is just around the corner.

    Thanks alot to all of the morons that voted Obeyme back in. When these losers in NY City and the other major cities that voted to keep this bastard in start losing their cushy jobs, they will be the ones screaming loudest.

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  855. Thanks alot to all of the morons that voted Obeyme back in. When these losers in NY City and the other major cities that voted to keep this bastard in start losing their cushy jobs, they will be the ones screaming loudest.

    Perhaps some of them are morons.

    But others were kept from the truth by the network broadcast and print media, as I explained above.

    Michael Ejercito (2e0217)

  856. 855. I go to bed thoroughly defeated. Good night everyone; there will be better days ahead.

    Comment by JVW — 11/7/2012 @ 12:26 am

    Thoroughly defeated? I think not. I’m going to go to bed soon, too. Ready to face many bleak days as long as Prince Tiger Beat is Preezy. And I’ll certainly have to fire or cut back the hours for a lot of valued employees.

    Guaranteed. Given his childish health care mandates.

    But I’ll fight through. I just hope they can.

    Steve57 (320590)

  857. The valued employees, I mean.

    Steve57 (320590)

  858. But Michael, those are the ones that the dims keep saying are more intelligent than the conservative base of the GOP. Don’t tell me that they are too stupid to do research on this new fangled invention that we call the internet. If they allow themselves to be kept from the truth, then they are just as I labelled them, MORONS.

    When the food and energy riot start in the cities cause their food stamps and dollars are worthless, I am just glad to be living in the country. Gotta go buy me a mule and plow, and a bunch of mason jars to can my own food. Also stock up plenty of ammo to defend myself when the zombie apocalypse starts.

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  859. Thanks to all you Obama voters for fruiting up my country by turning it into a freakin Banana Republic.

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  860. And here comes the inflation.

    Dollar Falls as Obama Win Paves Way for Monetary Easing.

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  861. 861.Thanks to all you Obama voters for fruiting up my country by turning it into a freakin Banana Republic.

    Comment by peedoffamerican — 11/7/2012 @ 12:52 am

    How much do you want to bet that the Obama voters who fruited up your country will be insisting that six months down the line it was the GOP what fruited up your country? Any takers?

    Steve57 (320590)

  862. No bet, it their basic MO. The great Obummer will go on blaming Booossshhhh, and teh stupids will keep lapping it up.

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  863. it’s their basic MO.

    Sheesh!

    peedoffamerican (a61096)

  864. Paul Ryan for Speaker?

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  865. If it holds up, Col. Martha McSally (USAF-Ret) is leading Ron Barber for Gabriel Giffords’ old seat.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  866. Congrats to Martha McSally for her narrow victory over Ron Barber for Gabby Giffords’s former House seat. At the end of a long day of disappointments, at least I can take heart in this win. It’s good to live in a district that will now be represented by a Republican.

    Icy Arizonan (4531d0)

  867. Unfortunately, for us here in Pima County, Sheriff Clarence “conservative talk radio caused the Giffords shooting” Dupnik fought off a strong Republican challenger and was re-elected.

    Icy (4531d0)

  868. Looks like Bachmann is gonna hang on.

    Icy (4531d0)

  869. For anyone that was wondering, Paul Ryan won re-election to his House seat.

    Icy (4531d0)

  870. Henry Waxman deadlocked with his re-election opponent.

    Icy (4531d0)

  871. Hey mittens- loose two and bbq.
    Do us a favor, don’t run again.

    mg (31009b)

  872. After sleeping on it, comcast will get the call today.

    mg (31009b)

  873. Fraud at the Polls!

    ropelight (88b762)

  874. Hard to believe, but again I can believe it since it didn’t make sense the first time.

    Not only do those who win get to write the history, but those who write the history win. Many still believe that FDR brought us out of the great depression. Unfortunately, maybe 50 years from now, if we are still around, people will still be blaming GW Bush and Republican policies for the crash of 2013 and the fall of most European nations in 2014.

    If most of the public believed 2+2=5 it would be hard for them to submit accurate tax returns.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  875. It’s a time honored tradition: media will set narratives of conservatives as extremist or “not pure” morally, get the moderate to run, and then crush him as extremist while the Democrat runs to the right.

    I’ve been reading a lot about “new generation” of conservatives and needing to prop them up but I’ve heard that before: The Allen Wests and Mia Love today will be Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal tomorrow who are nothing more than the Sarah Palins and JC Watts of yesterday. We will prop up our new fresh faces and the left will find a way to crush them by mocking, deriding or gerrymandering them into the ether.

    Hawkins (1fc204)

  876. yes that is wisdom

    cable is not your friend

    happyfeet (4ad8e2)

  877. Welcome to Venezuela!

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  878. Paul Ryan for Speaker?

    Comment by Kevin M — 11/7/2012

    Sounds good.

    Dustin (73fead)

  879. “If Obama wins, I’ll be as gracious and generous as the Democrats were in 2000 and 2004.”

    you know, we can be even better than they were. We are not full of revenge and hate.

    tyree (84087f)

  880. ¡bienvenidos!

    your cruise director senor christie has set out some lovely snack trays let me get you a name tag

    happyfeet (4ad8e2)

  881. Dagnabbit

    MayBee (0f9c92)

  882. I swear to god there were snacks here

    happyfeet (4ad8e2)

  883. All of the derision I’ve earned and will receive is no matter of consequence and will be endured in humility and acceptance.

    This is the first time in my life America has embarrassed me.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  884. Either you’re awfully young, have an incredibly thick skin, or only recently stated paying attention.

    ropelight (88b762)

  885. The sickening thing for me is that Romney’s best argument was the he was the electable candidate. i felt that it was too much of a compromise for electability’s sake. It sends the wrong message to governors when someone with Romney’s record can be nominated.

    And then he didn’t even win.

    Is it the case that moderates like Dole, Mccain, Bush 41 and Romney are actually not more electable than candidates perceived as more conservative? Will the GOP learn from this? Beating Obama was the most important thing. Did moderate Republicans believe moderate Republicans more electable because that’s very convenient to their politics, or because they actually win elections?

    But my biggest regret is that Perry (who has a great record) had shown competence as a candidate, particularly in the debates. I think if he had shown Romney’s dedication to preparing as a candidate, he would have been more formidable. It isn’t Romney’s fault that everyone who ran against him was weaker.

    This country is already having a hard time and is about to have a harder one. I appreciate that Romney did such a good job as our nominee (that isn’t sarcasm… I think he made the most of his situation).

    Dustin (73fead)

  886. Henry Waxman deadlocked with his re-election opponent.

    Comment by Icy — 11/7/2012 @ 1:39 am

    A high school classmate of mine ran against him … maybe 8 years ago? His ads were awesome. A bunch of video from the 70′s – roller skating, disco balls, big afro hair – and they noted – “A lot has changed since 1975. Why not your Congressman?”

    carlitos (49ef9f)

  887. I hope that as ObamaCare, budget sequestration, rising taxes, road blocks to development of domestic gas and oil, destroying the coal industry, etc., etc. start to have their effects at least 51% of voters will see it wasn’t because of Bush in 2007.

    Supreme court nominees. Replacing Ginsberg with another Ginsberg won’t change anything, but other than that…

    Is the “right” to kill an unborn baby really the most important issue in America?
    Back in the early years after Roe v. Wade in the last millennium everybody said “Don’t be a one issue voter”, meaning don’t vote against somebody because they were pro-abortion.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  888. But my biggest regret is that Perry (who has a great record) had [NOT] shown competence as a candidate, particularly in the debates.

    Pretty important correction.

    I wish a conservative candidate had stepped up to the plate ready to win, and I think that’s the real problem. Romney stepped up to the plate with a good operation and tons of prep, and it’s not his fault the competition was inferior.

    But it is frustrating, because I think nominating the most moderate guy again comes across as a lack of sincerity.

    Dustin (73fead)

  889. The sun will come out tomorrow …

    It didn’t.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  890. Stashiu, congratulations to your son and my best wishes to him and to you and to your family. And nice to hear from you.

    nk (875f57)

  891. About public employee pensions. Yes, it’s a problem. And the DMV clerks do not deserve the same pension as cops, teachers and firefighters. Why the GOP feels compelled to demand those reforms which impact real middle class working people before they demand a stop to crazy ass spending and soup to nuts entitlements baffles me to no end. Working stiffs should be the backbone of a conservative coalition.Small businessmen and entrepenuers are wonderful, but there are more working people than those people.

    Might help if the GOP FINALLY comes out against war. Seems like every Republican spare Rand Paul is slavishly devoted to more war. I don’t get it at all.

    Bugg (c8b43a)

  892. BTW, I actually like the surgeries, nothing makes me feel better than propofol, versed and fentanil. If only I could feel the same when the stuff wears off. ;)

    And, no joke, my CRNAs make $150,000 to $250,000 salary. Just a hint.

    nk (875f57)

  893. ____________________________________________

    But my biggest regret is that Perry (who has a great record) had shown competence as a candidate, particularly in the debates.

    Dustin, I think you have a blind spot in regards to Perry. Plus, you have to scrutinize opinion polls and the public’s perceptions of various politicians.

    For example, I think Sarah Palin is a million times better than her 2008 counterpart, Slow-Joe Biden. But various surveys indicate a huge number of respondents are wary or distrustful of Palin. Yet, at the same time, similarly large numbers of respondents admire Hillary “sniper-fire” Clinton.

    Yea, I’ve said it a million times before. But I believe it comes down to the fact there is way too much left-leaning sentiment out there in the populace. And, yep, it’s exacerbated by a very liberal media. But the biases found in one (ie, the MSM) may not necessarily be less innate than what’s found in the other (ie, X percent of the public).

    Simply put, Republican candidate A could have easily been deemed as failing to win the election because he was too conservative, while Republican candidate B could have been deemed as failing to get enough votes because he was too moderate. IOW, too many voters are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the loony liberal (Hello, voters of Massachusetts!), far less to anyone judged as even a bit right of center.

    Mark (66bba6)

  894. No bananas for breakfast, I believe we need them for export.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  895. And I’ll certainly have to fire or cut back the hours for a lot of valued employees.

    Does that mean you’ll be hiring more part-timers to do the work that the cut-back people will no longer be doing? Turning every three 40-hour jobs into four 29.75-hour ones? Or do you expect there to be less work to do as your customers also feel the pinch?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  896. you know, we can be even better than they were. We are not full of revenge and hate.

    “There is a time for love and a time for hate.” Right about now seems good for hate.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  897. 898. “There is a time for love and a time for hate.” Right about now seems good for hate.

    Comment by Milhouse — 11/7/2012 @ 7:20 am

    Naww. Hate screws up your planning.

    Steve57 (320590)

  898. “869.Unfortunately, for us here in Pima County, Sheriff Clarence “conservative talk radio caused the Giffords shooting” Dupnik fought off a strong Republican challenger and was re-elected.
    Comment by Icy — 11/7/2012 @ 1:17 am”

    Sorry to hear that, Icy. That old fool should have left long ago. We elected a Republican here in Yuma County. The Dem retired.

    PatAZ (d1234f)

  899. The sun will come out tomorrow …

    It didn’t.

    Massive nor’easter coming today. Appropriate to my mood. I wish I could stay in bed all day and get drunk. But unfortunately there are things I absolutely have to do today that can’t wait for tomorrow. And I was serious about that food stamp application. I no longer have any qualms about taking whatever I can get. The people have spoken and they can damn well pay up. I’ve paid enough taxes over the years th I may even apply for one of those 0bamaphones.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  900. I was coming out of the house this morning, and exchanged “good mornings” with a passerby whom I did not know from Adam. Might be a teacher at the high school up the street. He asked me “Are you happy with the election results?” I answered, “I’m glad so many people voted”.

    nk (875f57)

  901. I answered, “I’m glad so many people voted”.

    Why? What’s so good about that? Most of those people shouldn’t have voted, and should be discouraged from doing so. That is the root of the whole problem.

    Hate screws up your planning.

    There is nothing to plan for.

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  902. _________________________________________

    There is nothing to plan for.

    Maybe I’m confusing you with another poster, but I thought you were rather centrist (or not as conservative as some others are here) in your politics. IOW, someone like me will understandably be pissed right now, while I’d imagine far more so-called moderates (or folks along the lines of a Chris Christie) will be less so.

    Personally, I think anyone with common sense (and I’d like to think that trait is not exclusive to right-leaning folks or transcends party affiliation) should be appalled at the way too much of this society is casually skipping down the pathway of a Greece or France, if not Venezuela or Argentina.

    Mark (66bba6)

  903. I’m an old Chicagoan, Milhouse. When the turnout is low, the organization wins. We got Blagojevic and his successor Emanuel, as representatives of the Fifth congressional district, with about 18% of registered voters, for a couple of examples.

    nk (875f57)

  904. Personally, I think anyone with common sense (and I’d like to think that trait is not exclusive to right-leaning folks or transcends party affiliation) should be appalled at the way too much of this society is casually skipping down the pathway of a Greece or France, if not Venezuela or Argentina.

    And that is the point. The coal industry will be destroyed. The health industry will be nationalised. Taxes will be raised. The debt will go up and up and up. And on top of that, after the next terrorist attack or the one after it obama will end up getting us into a real war, with domestic privation and “sacrifice”, in order make us forget about his spinelessness now and to create a further excuse for bigger government. And the DOJ will continue to be corrupted, those who cheated and intimidated will get a big green pass, and justice will die in the land. Obamacare will become a third rail like Social Security; no future GOP will dare to criticise it, let alone do anything about it. The judiciary will be stacked with Marxists (“Legal Positivists” or whatever), and the supreme court will be lost. And the slaughter of infants will continue for at least another generation. A judenrein “Palestinian” state will be established, and the slow slaughter of Jews will continue. So what is there to plan for?

    Milhouse (15b6fd)

  905. 129. Comment by The Sanity Inspector — 11/6/2012 @ 6:06 pm

    And the question…rips envelope…If Obama is re-elected, it will be the first time three Presidents in a row were re-elected since…???

    1820.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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  907. 349. Comment by daleyrocks — 11/6/2012 @ 7:33 pm

    Jesse Jackson Jr. wins reelection without making a single campaign appearance.

    There was a story about him in New York Magazine.

    New York Magazine article about Jesse Jackson Jr. – set to print so you can see this all on one page

    Besides telling a bit of political and personal history, it tells this:


    …Although he steadfastly maintains that he did not authorize Nayak, or anyone else, to bribe Blagojevich, nor has he ever been charged, the episode has cast a dark cloud on his career. Nayak, who was indicted this summer on unrelated fraud charges, has told federal investigators that Jackson did indeed put him up to a pay-to-play scheme. Nayak also told investigators that he twice paid, at Jackson’s request, for a Washington cigar-bar hostess and swimsuit model to fly to Chicago to visit the congressman, a revelation that, when it was leaked to the Chicago Sun-Times, ultimately forced the married Jackson to publicly admit to adultery. He is currently facing not only a House Ethics Committee investigation into the Blagojevich matter but also a separate federal criminal investigation into whether he used campaign money to decorate his Washington home….

    …. Earlier this year, however, Jackson was reenergized. Halvorson, who’d lost her reelection bid in 2010, ran against Jackson in the Democratic primary for his redrawn district the stiffest electoral test he had faced since 1995. Jackson rose to the challenge, pouring himself into the campaign and, in March, he thumped Halvorson by taking more than 70 percent of the vote. But soon after his victory, he plunged into a deep funk. This may have been brought about by the fact that the FBI had opened an investigation into whether he’d used campaign money to decorate his home. But it seems just as likely that Jackson, having worked so hard to hold onto his seat, now had to confront the crushing reality that all of his effort had merely resulted in his remaining in the same place. According to a friend, Jackson began drinking heavily, self-medicating, and going days without sleep. He was out of control. He was on a path that was self-destructive. Something had to change. Indeed, although Sandi portrayed her husband’s hospitalization that night in June as a spur-of-the-moment decision, others close to Jackson suspect it was the result of a planned intervention something the congressman’s friends and family had been discussing for weeks.


    And now I read this (I’m a little behind in reading mail etc – this is actually two days late)

    Jesse Jackson Jr. in plea deal talks with feds, sources say


    Sneed is also told Jackson, who returned to Mayo Clinic after undergoing outpatient treatment in the seclusion of his home in Washington, D.C., is not only being investigated for allegedly using campaign funds to decorate his Washington home — but also Sneed hears he may also have used campaign funds to buy a $40,000 Rolex watch as a gift for a female friend.


    EARLIER, on Patterico:

    2010: http://patterico.com/2010/11/11/what%E2%80%99s-wrong-with-jesse-jackson/

    2011: http://patterico.com/2011/10/13/jesse-jackson-jr-should-resign-and-if-he-doesn%E2%80%99t-should-be-be-thrown-out-of-congress/

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