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6/13/2012

Brett Kimberlin-Associated Site Breitbart Unmasked Claims to Take the “High Road”

Filed under: Brad Friedman,Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser — Patterico @ 8:18 pm

I will not link the post, as the “Breitbart Unmasked” site is not a site where you should go without protection.* However, let me quote this hilarious language:

I have studied the issues that the conservative right wing has with posting of personal information and or address information associated with the stories we do, and have come to the conclusion that this is not what we here at BU are all about. In the case of Ali Akbar, the posting of his business address was not meant to attack him, nor was it meant to have others attack him. It was meant to show a business address and how that company was operating. It would be no different than posting a business building or a business address of any other corporate entity. It was in that light that BU posted that information. It was not meant to harm him or cause him undue stress either. It was a post meant to show the youthfulness of the people involved in the National Bloggers Club, and to show that they did not seem to have their shit together when opening or operating their business. It was an opinion piece, not an attack piece. Of course the right wing spins it as if its meant to attack him, and that simply is untrue. The right wingers have always operated on the assumption that left wing liberals will not engage in attacks or will not defend itself against partisan attacks from right wingers. The joke has always been if a right winger punches a left winger the left winger will turn the other cheek. Thus, I find it hard to believe that Ali Akbar would think that any liberal left wingers would use his business address to attack him personally. It would be the same if one posted his office address if that address was in a building. Just because someone posted it doesn’t mean that it was meant to attack him personally.

Lil’ ol’ innocent Breitbart Unmasked.

I guess they must have gotten a fierce backlash due to their constant harassment of people by publishing their private information.

Like the time the site published a surreptiously taken low-angle picture of Aaron Walker, apparently taken in a courthouse without his knowledge.

But I would just like to focus on a particular post that really got my attention. It is a Breitbart Unmasked post that delved into marriage and divorce records of a commenter of mine, complete with a picture of the commenter’s house.

They have taken the post down, but I have all the screenshots. Of course, I am not going to post them here. My commenter deserves some level of privacy. However, he has authorized me to publish this generalized account of the post designed to terrorize him. And yes, it was intended to terrorize. There can be no innocent explanation for what you’re about to read.

The post opens with a picture of my commenter and his full name. It details information about where he supposedly works. It continues with information about a petition he supposedly signed. It then goes on to post information about the commenter’s marriage, the name of his wife, and links to divorce records. Then the post goes on to list the job title of the commenter’s father as well as past cities in which the commenter’s father has lived and worked.

The post then has a picture, from Google Street View, of the commenter’s home.

Let me just say that again:

Breitbart Unmasked posted a picture of the home of one of my commenters.

A later tweet by Breitbart Unmasked stated (I am closely paraphrasing): “I wonder what [redacted] thinks about all this lol.” The part I have redacted is the name of my commenter’s father. It is an unusual name and Breitbart Unmasked was clearly throwing it out there as a threat.

Again, this is treatment received by a commenter of mine.

But no, Breitbart Unmasked — supporter of Brett Kimberlin, and clearly in close contact with him — never intended to attack anyone! My lands, no! It’s the furthest thing from their minds!

Absolute, rotten scum — and close Brett Kimberlin associate.

Weird how those go hand in hand.

*As evidence that you should not go to Breitbart Unmasked without a proxy, you need only look at these tweets from the blog’s proprietor:

Note that these tweets were published after the decision to take the “high road.”

I’d hate to see what they think the “low road” is.

UPDATE: More on the low road from Stacy McCain. By the way: ignore the update about a SWATting suspect. It does not sound like the SWATter and in my opinion this angle convolutes the story. Keep in mind that Rauhauser himself is pushing the notion that the SWATter is some anonymous “beandog.” That alone should make you suspicious.

UPDATE x2: I think it’s worth noting that some of the most outrageous stuff never even gets reported, because it’s so outrageous that people don’t want it reported. Trust me on this: there is thuggery a’plenty that you haven’t even heard about, and certain Big Media reporters are scared to write about Kimberlin for fear of retribution.

No joke.

166 Responses to “Brett Kimberlin-Associated Site Breitbart Unmasked Claims to Take the “High Road””

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  2. Earlier I clicked an unmarked link that went to Breitbart Unmasked.

    In previous weeks, that site placed cookies related to “occupy for accountability.”

    I found no such cookies today.

    Does anyone know what current privacy or security threats exist on the Breitbart Unmasked site?

    MCreamer (51db55)

  3. Well, the site operator openly claims he tracks visitors’ IPs.

    Is that not enough?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  4. “The right wingers have always operated on the assumption that left wing liberals will not engage in attacks or will not defend itself against partisan attacks from right wingers. The joke has always been if a right winger punches a left winger the left winger will turn the other cheek.”

    Funny, I have not heard this assumption or this joke. In fact I have witnessed just the opposite on this and other blogs, of left wingers making deranged personal attacks on people they disagree with. They call them or their superiors at work and try to get them fired for completely unrelated online opinions, publish their personal information online in what can only be interpreted as invitation for others to attack them, drag family members and children into conversations.

    Truly, the intolerance and sociopathy of the left is a wonder to behold.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  5. http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/KLBNA-E5-5-27-09.pdf

    This is a document produced by Kimberlin. Read item 14. I’m sure that is what Kimberlin et. al. are currently up to…

    Thrasher (44e97d)

  6. On the email posted on The Trenches from momus, think of this as an object lesson. Momus is clearly not pleased with his suspect for the SWATer, though it does not seem to me that momus’ candidate fits.

    However, let this be a lesson to us all: Do not fling insults at people likely to take serious offense, or every single silly, stupid, or criminal thing you have ever done will be made as public as possible.

    My very first thought was that momus was trying to confuse the situation. It wasn’t until a bit later that I realized this is one seriously irritated person. His intentions don’t seem bad.

    But, boy oh boy, can he carry a grudge!

    Dianna (f12db5)

  7. Well, the site operator openly claims he tracks visitors’ IPs.

    Is that not enough?

    Comment by Patterico

    Ace shows hashtags after each comment – once my man and I were both commenting in a thread and got accused of sock puppeting. Is that similar?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  8. Their new smokescreens are cute.

    JD (318f81)

  9. Ace shows hashtags after each comment – once my man and I were both commenting in a thread and got accused of sock puppeting. Is that similar?

    I don’t know. Does your hashtag being made public make it easier to hack you?

    Because your IP being public does.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  10. The momus guy, I think, is sincere. But I just don’t think the voice matches. And Rauhauser is trying to push the idea that it’s a beandog. One might well wonder why.

    I think Brooks Bayne and Stacy McCain should stop promoting this theory, but that’s just me, I guess.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  11. Cue a lecture from Troy Riser about high principle and affected nobility in 3….2….1.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. #9 – I have no idea, not being technical, but I would think not.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  13. Even stranger is the post on SWATting at Breitbart Unmasked. It describes Kimberlin’s alleged SWAT.

    He claims that he was SWATted because “investigators” were sent to his home after a call to a special non-911 number.

    There’s also an audio clip alleged to be of someone calling one of Kimberlin’s neighbors to warn them that they live near the Speedway Bomber. It would be interesting to know whose voice it really is.

    W. J. J. Hoge (9c4b9d)

  14. Dianna, Ace’s hashtag thing is a hash specifically to protect you from having your IP posted publicly.

    Be wary of visiting these sites. Be careful before you click on weird links. This isn’t paranoia.

    certain Big Media reporters are scared to write about Kimberlin for fear of retribution.

    This is why big media reporters MUST write about Kimberlin, correct? I took one journalism class in college, and I’m pretty sure this is consistent with the spirit of journalism.

    Lee Stranahan’s idea for everyone blogging about Kimberlin is the smartest reaction to date. But this is one of those stories that best suits old school major journalism organizations with legal departments and professional investigators. It’s obviously newsworthy, but some reporters have noticed what happened to a few of those who discuss this news, and decided to whistle as they walk on by.

    Dustin (330eed)

  15. Is there a safe link to that audio clip?

    If not, can someone create one?

    I can’t hear it because it doesn’t register on my computer when I use the proxy.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  16. I think the lawyers got their hands all over that POLITICO piece as well.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  17. #14 – Dustin – Yes, I know not to visit that site; in addition, I have my own personal techie whose paranoia seems to be adequate to most situations.

    I once was asked by someone why I masked my IP. Since I have no idea what that means, I can truthfully say that I don’t know that I do. It’s all rather a mystery to me. I just trust my techie and don’t click links that the little window down at the bottom of the screen doesn’t clearly identify.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  18. leftwing charlatans
    they suck for teh greater good
    who are they kidding?

    Colonel Haiku (7892b5)

  19. no less tolerant
    peeples than fever swamp left
    all are infected

    Colonel Haiku (7892b5)

  20. and when they stand there
    whimpering before Teh Man
    Justice. Will. Be. Served.

    Colonel Haiku (7892b5)

  21. certain Big Media reporters are scared to write about Kimberlin for fear of retribution
    There are a lot of bloggers, large and small, that are quaking in their sneakers.
    I am not one of them.

    plemmen (6cd503)

  22. no honor no soul
    said goddamn teh lefty man
    nope… no brag just fact

    Colonel Haiku (7892b5)

  23. in addition, I have my own personal techie whose paranoia seems to be adequate to most situations.

    Sounds handy.

    Dustin (330eed)

  24. I just posted the phone call clip on Twitter.

    W. J. J. Hoge (9c4b9d)

  25. I think Brooks Bayne and Stacy McCain should stop promoting this theory, but that’s just me, I guess.

    Amen.

    JD (318f81)

  26. Sounds handy.

    Comment by Dustin

    It is! Though I think when I started following this Kimberlin business he may have upped our precautions without telling me. He has always thought I had no clue, technically; his image of me is like the innocent wandering down a dark alley and never noticing the number of evildoers around her.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  27. #20 – Was that someone holding his nose as he spoke, or what?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  28. his image of me is like the innocent wandering down a dark alley and never noticing the number of evildoers around her.

    When all you wanted to do is chat about policy issues and news, it’s a shame you have to worry about said evildoers trying to terrorize your kids or parents.

    But that’s the world we live in, and folks have to adapt.

    Dustin (330eed)

  29. You can use this to decide if you want to click a link you don’t trust. http://longurl.org/ I would advise you use that on any link from twitter involving this (even the ‘good guys’ throw out shady links sometimes).

    Noodles (3681c4)

  30. Great link, Noodles. I’ve never used that, but I will in the future.

    Dustin (330eed)

  31. And of course there is this http://hidemyass.com/ But if anything is important enough on any of their websites, I trust someone else will report on it.

    I think the best advice is to stay off any of their sites.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  32. Also, Tor is not hard to obtain or use.

    But yeah, these people will go after commenters! I think on the Victory Sessions they were saying how they attack free speech at every level, and that’s exactly right.

    Mike was a Twitter user, and look what they did to him.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  33. If it’s a beandog rauhauser show some honest faith and send the list of them to the authorities and tell them why they are bad….

    Any big media reporter scared to report on this needs to turn their beat over to the one of the gulf war correspondents.

    scable (40a8c6)

  34. ROTFL mentions Brett Kimberlin over and over as if anyone knows or cares who that is besides Breitbart and Michelle Malkin

    Larry (ae8d9a)

  35. Do you know who Brett Kimberlin is, Larry?

    If you seriously think only two people in the country know who he is, one of whom is dead, I have to question whether your IQ rises above the level of the PGA championship record for 18 holes. In case you were wondering, that two-digit number begins with a “5.”

    Thanks for your comment.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  36. well, we know Larry isn’t the cable guy, because he’s not a comedian, just a joke.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  37. Thanks for all your reporting on the Kimberlin terrorism.

    Karl (fd27e8)

  38. I’ve been surfing the various danger sites without a proxy for about 10 days. If anything weird happens, I’ll let you know.

    Kinda related: Lee Stranahan’s site runs a script that redlines my CPU for about a minute whenever I surf there. Anybody else notice that?

    gp (5a38d9)

  39. People care about this story, Larry.

    All it took was a few folks who cared enough about justice to refuse to be silenced.

    Even now, though, I want people to remember that Aaron is trying his best to abide a court’s ruling that is absolutely ridiculous and has taken Aaron’s freedom of speech away from him. This is obviously frustrating, yet Aaron can’t say anything about it at this time.

    Keeping this story alive, as he does his best to wait for his appeal to be heard, is a service we can do to the freedoms we hold dear.

    I proud my friends are more like Aaron than they are like Larry.

    Dustin (330eed)

  40. BU has a pretty detailed post that makes the whole “swating” thing look like a false flag operation. Like the Reichstag fire, or Karl Rove planting a bug in Bill Clements office…

    http://www .breitbartunmasked.com/thugs/swat-swat-question/

    I’m sure you can give a plausible rebuttal…

    DSanon (561676)

  41. Here is a plausible rebuttal. They are effin liars. Clumsy liars. Habitual liars.

    JD (95e569)

  42. Why would you link to that blog?

    Did you not even read the post?

    Of course the swatters will claim that the victims are really responsible. I think that helps show their malice towards the victims of the swatting.

    I’ve never seen a post on that blog that wasn’t greatly dishonest.

    For example, BU lies about the comments Patterico made about the Alicia Pain emails. Patterico didn’t think that police would be investigating a vague rather than actionable Alicia Pain email threat.

    BU takes a snippet of that report, claims it was pertaining to Patterico’s swatting, and then says Patterico didn’t report the swatting to the police and thought it wasn’t important.

    This is just another example of how they smear. That report was made before Patterico was swatted.

    If you are stupid enough to accept anything Breitbart Unmasked, AKA “Not Brett Kimberlin” is saying as accurate, you are a fool.

    Dustin (330eed)

  43. DSanon,

    Why would you trust thugs who post pictures of people’s houses? Do you agree that people who do things like that have lost their reputation for fairness?

    Dustin (330eed)

  44. They take a tiny snippet of a report about one thing, and claim it pertains to a later and far more serious thing, and smear the victim of this serious crime.

    That’s why they didn’t post the entire report.

    And let me say again: following that link is not safe, so be careful. Use an anonymizer and “no script” at a bare minimum.

    Dustin (330eed)

  45. Dustin – they don’t post pictures of people’s homes to intimidate. It is true. They said so.

    JD (95e569)

  46. The posting of a picture of someone’s home, by known associates of a man convicted of violent felonies that resulted in death … nah, that’s not a threat.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  47. Lol you keep mentioning a convicted bomber who is evidently dangerous, when no one knows who he is. What, are you trying to raise awareness or something? Whatevs, bro. Only Michelle Malkin, RS McCain, CNN, Erickson, you, stranahan, breitbart, Worthing, Allen, Dustin, Ace, Breitbart, Jeff, Glenn, and my dog care about this story.

    You should definitely stop reporting on it. No one cares.

    /sarc

    Ghost (6f9de7)

  48. “Breitbart Unmasked posted a picture of the home of one of my commenters.”

    Ali should know better than to use his mothers address as a business address…

    DSanon (561676)

  49. DSanon, to get the full BK crime family effect it is written:

    “Ali shouda known bettah den to use …”

    Try again. Release your inner domestic terrorist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  50. You know what surprises me? That journalists are afraid to write about Brett Kimberlin. If movies and TV has taught me anything, it is that journalists are brave truth-tellers willing to risk everything to get the truth out to the public.

    Especially journalists at the New York Times, who I understand from famous and inspirational films, are unrelenting in facing down Republican Presidents, Republican Senators, Republican Governors, Republican Sheriffs, etc., all of whom can and do bring the entire machinery of the state into play to deny whatever is written in a forthright and law-abiding way.

    If Brett Kimberlin were only a Republican. No way, strike that. This is a non-partisan issue. Or, at least, it should be.

    Pious Agnostic (7c3d5b)

  51. The joke has always been if a right winger punches a left winger the left winger will turn the other cheek.

    What. A. Laugh.

    How about those left-wingers in New Orleans who turned their other cheek so fast it broke a woman’s leg? Or the one who turned his cheek so hard it lopped off a man’s finger?

    Or the ones who coordinated cheek-turnings at multiple Bush-Cheney offices across multiple states, committing multiple felonies and assaults in the process?

    What about the ones who wanted to turn their cheeks and take down a bridge in Cleveland?

    And the ones who wanted their turned cheeks to fire bomb Chicago?

    And let’s not forget how assiduously Ted Kacinski turned his cheek — and how the left has been turning him into their hero ever since.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  52. certain Big Media reporters are scared to write about Kimberlin for fear of retribution.

    That’s simply not possible. They’re courageous crusaders for the truth.

    Rob Crawford (04f50f)

  53. SPQR, you seem to be the expert at this, I’ll leave that crap to you…

    BTW patterico doesn’t link to these stories because he doesn’t want his loyal minions to question his “truth”…

    If/when the DOJ investigates all this we just may learn whether Patterico and Erickson are players or pawns in all this…

    DSanon (561676)

  54. WTF? ^^^

    Icy (95c5f7)

  55. DSanon, we already know that you are just a troll here repeating the lies of the sociopathic BK crime family.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. Ali should know better than to use his mothers address as a business address…

    Comment by DSanon

    Interesting piece of baiting, there.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  57. Dianna, it was not baiting. It was another threat by the BK crime family. They think that everyone should “know better” than to criticize them because they think that they are entitled, in the same sense of entitlement that all criminals possess, to threaten them.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  58. And let’s not forget how assiduously Ted Kacinski turned his cheek — and how the left has been turning him into their hero ever since.

    Comment by Rob Crawford

    You want scary? A few weeks ago (call it a month) in the Chronicle of Higher Ed’s “Review” section, there was an extensive article about a professor who corresponds with Kaczinsky, and presents his material in classes.

    The thesis that the modern technological society is bad is seductive. The sensible student who pointed out that – to use the Marxist phrase – the facts on the ground simply do not allow a retreat from a technological society is treated as unthinking. It does make for a hell of a read.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  59. #59 – SPQR, I think it’s both. I noted the baiting first, because I think the Kimberlin Crime Family wants people to write comments that can be seen as threatening. The threat was clear enough; but the baiting was more interesting to me, as it indicates slightly more subtlety than I’m used to from this set.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  60. Methinks ’tis Babs Streisand what makes the MSM cower on this one.

    Icy (95c5f7)

  61. Anybody want to do a test with two identical vehicles, with right and left oriented bumper stickers, parked in similar locations and see which one is vandalized?

    In the 2004 election a lefty Lt Col (Air Force IIRC) was arrested for vandalizing vehicles with Bush bumper stickers in air port parking lots.

    Have Blue (8743b5)

  62. “DSanon” – Ali is not the commenter Patterico was referring to.

    JD (95e569)

  63. “BTW patterico doesn’t link to these stories because he doesn’t want his loyal minions to question his “truth”… ”

    DSanon – Comedy gold right there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  64. So many tinfoil hats… Did you all make them yourselves or did you get help?

    DSanon (561676)

  65. DSanon, the tinfoil hat comment is pretty hilarious, given that its you BK Crime Family members who have put forward all the bizarre conspiracy theories beginning with the whole Weinergate thing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  66. Noting DSanon and its buddies are vile liars makes us tinfoil hat people?Really?

    JD (95e569)

  67. RSM has a new post up, including an extended quote from the BU site. I agree with his conclusion that Neal Rauhauser wrote it; his obsession with Patterico is front and center.

    However, there’s one phrase that amused the heck out of RSM. The writer refers to RSM as “a homeless drifter who used to be somewhat [sic!] of a big shot”. I liked it, too, and thought I’d share.

    For the ironically challenged: I was amused because I’ve been following the story, and know why RSM is writing from undisclosed locations.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  68. Every rapist blames the victim for the rape. burglar blames the homeowner for his crimes. Every murderer blames the deceased for dying.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  69. Solid analysis alert #68

    tye (72de6a)

  70. “tye” is still butthurt. How sad.

    JD (95e569)

  71. Comment by Dianna — 6/14/2012 @ 9:27 am

    The EcoPriests (Shamans) will have us gather in clearings in the forest and pay homage to Mother Gaia.

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  72. A lot of trolls around lately. I wonder why? I hope they put the deck chairs just where they wanted them.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  73. I’ve just been pointing out the statement I made. You don’t offer anything to the conversation. You just bully and call people liars, Biff.

    tye (72de6a)

  74. LOL! Using the “I know you are but what am I” defense… Too funny!

    DSanon (561676)

  75. Another Moronic Convergence.

    JD (95e569)

  76. Another great point biff.

    tye (72de6a)

  77. “LOL! Using the “I know you are but what am I” defense… Too funny!”

    DSanon – Like you did with the following:

    “BTW patterico doesn’t link to these stories because he doesn’t want his loyal minions to question his “truth”… ”

    As I said before, comedy gold right there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  78. SPQR – isn’t it funny how the serial troll that is so cowardly and dishonest that it had posted under a variety of names is more concerned with my civility as opposed to the actual threats from Team Kinberlin, or at a base level, its own mendoucheity? It would be cute, were it not so transparent, and pathetic.

    JD (95e569)

  79. No, little that the Kimberlin crime family does is funny.

    SPQR (ed234f)

  80.             In psychology diseased
                Steeped in human vanity,
    And the Psychopath that planned her, silly couches she.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  81. tye, adding no value to this site since reappearing under its current identity.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. Ali should know better than to use his mothers address as a business address…

    Comment by DSanon

    A, that’s not the only house BU posted a picture of.

    B, there is no legitimate reason to do that to Ali. What purpose is there in showing a photo of a house, or talking about someone’s divorce records merely because they had an opinion against Kimberlin? Or talking about someone’s dad or mom or spouse?

    —–

    I notice you have no response to what I said… that BU claimed Patterico did not report his swatting to authorities because BU quotes a snipped from a report that was filed BEFORE the swattings that Patterico did indeed talk to law enforcement about dozens of times over months.

    In other words, I caught an outright lie, among so many on that site. And your retort is to ignore this. That’s a tell.

    And I know first hand that visiting these Kimberlin sites can lead to compromised computers.

    Here’s one example. I got that when visiting one of these sites. Next thing I know Ron is talking about my dog, by name, and I’ve never mentioned my dog in my blog comments. The dog’s name is Penny, a blue heeler from the Town Lake rescue shelter. Apparently Lane thinks that this dog being ‘blue’ shows that I did not volunteer for Bush’s campaign. Apparently they try that desperately to hint at reasons people are dying. It’s idiotic. Incidentally, I chose Penny at the shelter because it was a kill shelter at the time, and she needed a break. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made, and it wasn’t a political statement… not that I care if they think I’m a blue dog democrat. Check it out. Pretty weird, right? They move from one of these to another. Here’s another. Don’t click the links… they are not safe, but two go to a strange site named “mexican cartel chainsaw execution video.

    It’s creepy, and it’s intended to be. I don’t know if the virus is related… maybe they just obsessively dug up my dog somehow? But I never get viruses. It just doesn’t happen to me. Except when I visited one of these sites, which I might add, had a Kid Kenoma wish for my “untimely and painful demise”.

    What purpose is there in Ron mentioning my dog’s name? Hmm? What purpose is there in “Tim” tweeting me a link to a website entitled “Mexican Drug Cartel Chainsaw Execution Video”? Hmm? What purpose is there in Ron saying he wants to punch Patterico in several tweets, or saying he wants to harm Patterico’s wife?

    I think we both know the purpose.

    It is a huge mistake to make this story about the victims and smear targets. That’s apparently what Kimberlin and Ron and Neal want. Their reaction to the swatting story is to lie that Patterico didn’t report it to police by quoting the wrong report. Tell a huge lie, and some fools will think there must be something to it.

    The story is about these swattings and making sure they are stopped. The story is about Kimberlin and his lawfare campaign against Aaron Worthing. The story is about Neal and (apparently) his twitter trolls, whoever they are, and the horrible things they have been saying. And of course the way they have posted pictures of people’s houses, such as mere commenters who didn’t even have a blog, but made a few arguments that apparently angered the goons.

    But Dsanon, who ignores proven lies he rested his claims on, thinks Ali should have known better… because it’s his fault someone posted a picture of his mother’s house. It’s not Kimberlin’s fault. No siree.

    As Patterico said

    Absolute, rotten scum — and close Brett Kimberlin associate.

    Weird how those go hand in hand.

    Dustin (330eed)

  83. to hint at reasons people are dying

    I meant “lying”.

    They go to idiotic lengths to challenge people’s honesty. I think they just assume that if they keep digging, everyone out there is a liar or a criminal or a scumbag, perhaps because they only consort with such.

    Dustin (330eed)

  84. 84- My value is pointing out the inanity in Jd’s comments. He comments here much more often than I do. Whenever I click to view his comments he is name calling or writing mandydouchtery or whatever adolescent slight he uses.

    He also has trouble identifying whether something is a statement or a question.

    tye (72de6a)

  85. Dustin: he probably rests his arguments on things you claim to be proven lies. Normal people look at facts before they claim something to be a lie just because they are uncomfortable with the truth.

    tye (72de6a)

  86. If tye is IMDW, he’s the guy who posted Patterico’s home address in the threads on this blog.

    I believe Patterico was the first to get that treatment in this saga. It’s barely worth mentioning in light of the far worse things done to his family, but it happened.

    Dustin (330eed)

  87. he probably rests his arguments on things you claim to be proven lies.

    I know it’s a lie. I don’t claim it’s one because I’m uncomfortable with it. It is a lie. Plain and simple.

    It was a police report regarding the Alicia Pain threat emails, which I think are very serious, but Patterico realized were unlikely to get much interest from law enforcement.

    Dustin (330eed)

  88. My value is pointing out the inanity in Jd’s comments.

    You admit you’re only here to insult JD?

    Did you comment as imdw?

    Dustin (330eed)

  89. Point and laugh, Dustin. Mock and scorn.

    JD (95e569)

  90. I am not IMDW. I do not know anyone’s address and don’t care to do any research to uncover that information. I’m interested in debate. I engaged in such debate and was insulted and called a liar for rendering opinions by biff tannon here…

    tye (72de6a)

  91. I am interested in debate.

    ROTFLMFAO

    Let’s start off with some honesty, then. How about it? Tell us all of the names you have commented under.

    As a show of good faith, outside of the sock puppet threads, I have used my name, JD, since I began commenting here.

    JD (594124)

  92. Okay, I cannot quit laughing.

    Meetings to attend, and bikes to ride. Until later …

    ROTFLMFAO

    JD (594124)

  93. I engaged in such debate and was insulted and called a liar for rendering opinions

    Let’s give you a chance.

    What legitimate purpose is there in posting a picture of someone’s house, or posting their address?

    Do those who resort to such tactics have any credibility?

    Two straight questions.

    Dustin (330eed)

  94. Dustin: none and no.

    tye (72de6a)

  95. Dustin you’re not going to do what jd does and make me answer the same question three times are you?

    tye (72de6a)

  96. Dustin you’re not going to do what jd does and make me answer the same question three times are you?

    Comment by tye

    No.

    Thank you for answering my questions, and I agree with you.

    I’ll give your future comments consideration for replies.

    There has actually been two (I think two) commenters who crossed the line, got banned, returned to troll some more. One consequence of this behavior is that many interpret new commenters who sound like them as potentially the same folks. it’s just human nature.

    Dustin (330eed)

  97. Normal people look at facts before they claim something to be a lie just because they are uncomfortable with the truth.

    Just to be clear, I recognize the passage this quote was from. It really was a report from before Patterico was even swatted.

    And I also know that there was a major investigation of the swattings by a well known law enforcement agency, but they did not follow some very prominent leads, for reasons I do not understand. I do not know (or need to know) the current status of the investigation, but I hope pressure from Congress gets the DOJ to take this matter extremely seriously before someone’s hurt.

    The impact is not merely on the families hit, but on free speech, as discourse is chilled as many do not want to put their families through a swatting.

    This effects left and right… anyone who values discussing issues should be alarmed by this development.

    Dustin (330eed)

  98. Ali should know better than to use his mothers address as a business address…

    Comment by DSanon — 6/14/2012 @ 8:26 am

    Yeah, and I guess that if she hadn’t been wearing that short skirt and make-up too, then she wouldn’t have gotten raped either, would she? After all, in your perverted little id, she was just asking for it wasn’t she?

    Truly, is this how your warped and twisted little peanut sized brain really works? That he was asking to have his address revealed to you sick little psychos? You truly deserve having something nasty happen to you real soon!

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  99. I have been trying to follow and understand this righty boggers obsession with Brett Kimberlin. I must confess that the more I read the less I get what the obsession is all about. Who the f**k is Brett Kimberlin? Is he some part of a lefty conspiracy to go after right bloggers? Written at the originalvelvetrevolution.com today was that “Each and every one of Kimberlin’s suits is an assault on free speech.” What exactly does this even mean? How can using the courts to enforce what he believes to be a violation of his rights be an “assault on free speech?” Everything I have read about this issue indicates that this individual is using the courts to try to enforce his position. what exactly is wrong with that? Much has been written about Kimberly or some people associated with him being behind the “Swatting” incidents regarding various right wing bloggers. If this is the case, this will clearly be a situation of making false reports to law enforcement officers which in my understanding is clearly illegal. Why have the local authorities not brought charges against the responsible parties. What exactly is going on here, that were have righty bloggers having to report from undisclosed locations and others claiming victimization for being summoned to court? Is there an article that gives better breakdown of what is going on here?.

    Newdome (149264)

  100. Sorry your google doesn’t work, newdome.

    A blogger, Aaron Worthing, showed how Kimberlin committed perjury and tried to frame him for a crime. Kimberlin also sued Aaron for his blogging, which Kimberlin calls “annoying” and “harassment”, even though Kimberlin doesn’t have to read Aaron’s blog, and Aaron’s blog is trying to petition the government to prosecute perjury.

    Kimberlin has been convicted of some very serious crimes.

    How can using the courts to enforce what he believes to be a violation of his rights be an “assault on free speech?”

    A judge has restrained Aaron from blogging about Kimberlin, even though Aaron’s speech was protected by the first amendment of the constitution. Many legal scholars have condemned this ruling as an assault on free speech.

    Dustin (330eed)

  101. I’m sorry, it’s probably inaccurate to say Kimberlin sued Aaron for his blogging. He filed a peace order, which isn’t the same as a suit.

    Dustin (330eed)

  102. Newdome, you are simply lying if you claim that you have read the blogs and don’t understand what the issue is.

    Kimberlin does not have the right to forbid people from writing about him.

    He and his confederates do not have the right to intimidate people who criticize them. They don’t have the right to attempt to suppress freedom of speech of others.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  103. SPQR, it doesn’t seem like newdome even read this one single post.

    How can Newdome pretend posting a commenter’s house is anything but an assault on free speech?

    Dustin (330eed)

  104. Dustin, no doubt its just another “progressive” that gets an erection thinking of being associated with violent criminals like Kimberlin.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  105. SPQR, you stated that “Kimberlin does not have the right to forbid people from writing about him.” I completely agree with that. But how is he preventing people from doing this? Is he holding a gun to their heads or sending people over to break their legs for writing about him? According to everything I have read (if this is in dispute please let me know), he is using the courts. How is this illegitimate? I imagine if his cases are without merit, they will be thrown out of court. And if these are nuisance suits he will I assume, suffer the consequences for them. How are he and his confederates intimidating people who criticize them and attempting to suppress freedom of speech of others? Is it now the position of the right that going to court is an intimidation and supression tactic? As I stated previously, if they are behind these “swatting” reports, that it seems to me me will clearly be illegal. Why have we yet to see charges brought by the local authorities. Please explain.

    Newdome (149264)

  106. Newdome,

    Kimberlin’s lawsuit against Socrates – not a “right winger” by the way – was Kimberlin manipulating the process of obtaining a default judgement against a naive opponent.

    You can’t get Kimberlin to “suffer the consequences” of nuisance suits because he does not pay judgments. He’s skipped out on nearly $2 million in judgments.

    SWATing is a difficult crime to prosecute because it occurs across multiple jurisdictions. Your belief that the fact that charges haven’t been brought somehow proves something is ludicrous on its face.

    Having a violent criminal posting personal information about opponents is intimidation.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  107. Of couse, Newdome thinks its OK to try to get a man’s parole revoked by complaining to his parole officer about the fact that he used his First Amendment rights, so we can only conclude that Newdome really does not share American values about the freedom of speech.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  108. “Everything I have read about this issue indicates that this individual is using the courts to try to enforce his position. what exactly is wrong with that?”

    Because we have every right in the world to talk about the guy, as long as we’re not defaming him.

    The courts have no legal authority to tell us we can’t.

    According to the SCOTUS, we can tell the truth about Brett Kimberlin, if we want to. And, some of us do want to. That sort of speech is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution, according to the Supremes, and some podunk court in Maryland can’t place itself above the Supreme Law of the Land.

    Also a podunk court in Maryland can’t really tell me, a resident of California who has never even been to Maryland, what I can and can’t do outside of their state. They have no authority over me, and I’m not subject to their state laws.

    This is why, should I be fortunate enough to be subjected to a gag order from a court in Maryland, I’ll flatly refuse to obey it.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  109. I suspect that the reason the MSM has not reported on this issue (except for the halfas..d job that ABC tried to do on the story about a week or so ago) and noon of the lefty bloggers have picked up on it (even just to make fun of it) or why the Republican Congressmen who issued calls for DOJ review have not followed up is that no one seems to understand what the issue is. This Kimberly guy is being made into some kind of supper villain that no one has ever heard of. Lets grant for the moment that all the nefarious actions that has been attributed to Kimberly from what one has read from the right blogs (i.e that he is a terrorist, a robber and all around bad guy) are all true for the purpose of this discussion, however, the worse that has been reported in these cases that is currently the subject of the right`s obsession is that he has sued some right wing people in court who he believes has written wrong articles about him. How is this intimidation or a bad thing. Yes, posting an opponent personal information online is bad form and can be intimidating, but is this really the reason for this obsession. Just because a crime is difficult to prosecute does not mean it is not prosecutable if it is serious enough. And it see to me this “Swating“ business will be considered serious by law enforcement in every jurisdiction.

    Newdome (149264)

  110. Posted earlier this evening at LeeStranahan.com is a three part post of some of the emails I have exchanged with Neal Rauhauser (initiated by him) this week. He tried to leverage a minor past association with him (he played a very small role in a con I was engaged in in 2005/6) to try and recruit me to his cause and to support Kimberlin. Interesting stuff.

    plemmen (6cd503)

  111. Newdome, Kimberlin’s convictions for bombing and perjury are facts. The deaths and maimings are facts. The millions in skipped civil judgments are facts. Kimberlin’s perjury has been documentd in court records. Do you think your bizarre insinuation that they are not makes you anything but a troll joke?

    The scores of frivolous lawsuits are facts.

    Kimberlin’s attempts to interject himself into politics with his lies have been headlines in the past. Your denials are bad jokes.

    SPQR (b93549)

  112. Sorry girls but I’ve got better things to do than read this puke all day…
    Surprised Frey doesn’t pop in here and clarify the types of restrictions placed on communications in a typical OFP.
    And of course no one seems to think it is at all curious that after months without a “swating” Erick Erickson feels the need to notify the local PD that he fears he may be targeted? And low and behold just days later it happens? Not curious at all? Of course not…

    DSanon (561676)

  113. “Sorry girls but I’ve got better things to do than read this puke all day…”

    Me too. But, I’m too lazy to actually do them.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  114. DSanon/Newdome, your nutty conspiracy theory is laughable given the Rauhauser email.

    SPQR (b93549)

  115. Or is DSanon/Newdome going to flog Kimberlin’ lie about a sooper sekret exhoneration?

    SPQR (b93549)

  116. THe way the ABC story, over the weekend, didn’t flag Kimberlin, since he was the common element
    was disturbing, then again, they know there are
    consequences to confronting him.

    narciso (494474)

  117. DSanon is kind of a ddick.

    Icy (95c5f7)

  118. SPQR: Lets accept that all items you presented about this Kimberly fellow in your comment (No.115) are factual. But what exactly has that got to do with the facts (as presented by the Righty Bloggers reports by the way) that in these cases under discussion what this guy has done is used the courts and the legal process to enforce what he sees as a violation of his rights. Is this really the justification for all this obsessive postings about him. To Dave Surls (comment No. 112): again I agree what all the positions you stated including the fact that you “have every right in the world to talk about the guy, as long as we’re not defaming him.“Yes you do. But who makes the determination as to whether or not what you say or write about about someone is defamatory. Do you really believe as you stated that “The courts have no legal authority to tell us we can’t.`really.

    Newdome (149264)

  119. Newdome, why do you keep repeating the lie that the conflict with Kimberlin is only with “righty” blogs?

    SPQR (b93549)

  120. this Kimberly fellow

    Why do you keep spelling his name wrong?

    what he sees as a violation of his rights.

    Why do you take the word of a convicted perjurer? He claims it’s his right to keep Aaron, Seth, et al from blogging about him, but why do you believe that?

    who makes the determination as to whether or not what you say or write about about someone is defamatory.

    Oh, that’s really easy! The courts! And do you know how many times a court has ruled that anyone has defamed Kimberlin?

    Zero times.

    Do you really believe as you stated that “The courts have no legal authority to tell us we can’t.`really.

    The courts do not have the right to tell Aaron that he cannot blog about Kimberlin at all. The court was not talking about defamation. Indeed, it’s not clear that it’s possible to defame Kimbelin due to the many serious convictions (over 35) on his rap sheet.

    But no court is saying anyone did.

    The courts do not have the legal authority to say that a person cannot offer legitimate facts and opinions about a person. To bar incitement, speech has to meet an incitement test under the Brandenberg precedent. The MD court doesn’t have the right to say they are ignoring that precedent just because. That’s the law of the land.

    Too bad you’re unable to follow such a well documented issue.

    Dustin (330eed)

  121. the facts are ‘inconvenient’ to the narrative, SPQR, that ‘Socrates’ called out the slanderous
    insinuation that the Bush administration had murdered Connell, and kept pulling at the strings.

    narciso (494474)

  122. Newdome, why do you keep repeating the lie that the conflict with Kimberlin is only with “righty” blogs?

    Comment by SPQR

    Seems like just about everything he’s saying is the strange Rauhauser/Kimberlin version.

    Kimbelin’s organization claims that to criticize Kimberlin is to attack “Everything the left holds dear”, but that’s not true. Criticizing lawfare and defending free speech is something anyone can get behind.

    This all started with the attacks on a lefty blogger. Aaron didn’t care about Seth’s politics when defending him. Liberal Kingsley didn’t care about Aaron’s (in fact is critical of them) when she defended him. When Ron hassled Kman via his HR department, for not cooperating, politics had nothing to do with it.

    I do think there is a partisan element, and that’s where people who are stupidly partisan assume anything a conservative says has to be attacked, and they see that the more prominent targets of Brett’s smears and just attack.

    That’s pathetic, and such losers can’t claim to support free speech.

    Dustin (330eed)

  123. “Lets accept that all items you presented about this Kimberly fellow in your comment (No.115) are factual.

    Newdome, do you think that Brett Kimberlin’s victims’ family, like Carl DeLong, appreciate your insinuation that Kimberlin wasn’t convicted of being the Speedway Bomber who maimed him and was responsible for his ultimate death?

    Do you, Newdome?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  124. The slab-o-text concern troll is getting to be quite tedious.

    Icy (95c5f7)

  125. “And do you know how many times a court has ruled that anyone has defamed Kimberlin?”

    “Zero times.”

    If I understand correctly, he got a default judgement for defamation against Seth Allen.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  126. I think the Speedway Bomber was awarded $100 plus court costs.

    I read the transcript where Allen tried to contest the award. It was absolutely revolting.

    Any judge who would allow that guy to represent himself, in any legal proceeding, is an absolute disgrace. Any legal system that would allow that kind of nonsense ain’t worth a bucket of warm spit.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  127. The default judgment award against Seth Allen (not a “right winger” ) was explicitly nominal, which meant that the judge – having to grant a default judgment – found no damage to Kimberlin. It was an example of how Kimberlin manipulated the court system. And it contained outright perjury from Kimberlin including his claim to a sooper sekret exhoneration from his criminal conviction. An legal impossibility.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  128. Indeed, SPQR, when Kimberlin whined to that judge who awarded nominal damages that Seth had said he was a bomber and a perjurer, the judge replied “but that’s true”.

    And it is. It’s true.

    Dustin (330eed)

  129. It is, actually. Brett Kimberlin is a bomber and a perjurer.

    Indeed.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  130. Newdome doesn’t seem to have much going on upstairs. That would be my two cents.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  131. Yes, Dustin and Patterico, and its an example of Kimberlin trying to use the courts to punish people for true speech. Exactly what “Newdome” above was claiming did not happen.

    But hey, Newdome obviously couldn’t even convince himself …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  132. I like this Velvet Revolution blog. This is the kind of thing that I’d never have thought to do. The more people learn about this sad story, the more creativity gets put to good use.

    Dustin (330eed)

  133. Dustin,

    Insty has linked to that new site via a post called Velvet Revolution google warfare. Seems there’s a cut and paste comment already entered by “noname” (who is just asking questions) which is basically the same as “Newdome’s” comment above with minor modification. Dude gets around and really, really wants those questions answered.

    elissa (b5f39f)

  134. Interesting, Elissa. He makes wholesale errors like he’s badly ignorant about these matters. He’s asking questions that suggest he’s not even reading the posts he’s commenting on.

    Yet he’s expressing his ‘concerns’ and questions all over the place?

    Golly.

    Alas, the way these liars try to spin and smear is a huge part of this story. You can’t understand it without reading a few of these bad faith comments and taking them apart.

    So keep it up, Newdome. It’s long past the date when that kind of thing was going to work, so you’re really just helping illustrate what the good guys have been up against for a couple of years.

    Dustin (330eed)

  135. “Newdome doesn’t seem to have much going on upstairs. That would be my two cents.” (#134). Patterico get serious for a moment. By the facts as presented by you, SPQR and other righty bloggers and commenters, this guy, Kimberlin (hope this is the correct spelling), is going to court and trying to get some right winger(s) to cease and desist from writing or saying things that he believes to be defamatory against him (notice: I am going strictly by you righties presentation of these facts, having never read, heard or seen Kimberlin present his position) and you think this is intimidation and attempts to silence free spech? By using the courts? Again I suspect that this is why no one is taking this seriously, despite the tremendous efforts so far expended by the righty bloggers to push this into the main stream. Because no one can make sense of the obsession that the right wing have for this. There may very well yet be some issues here that will require wider concern, but as so far presented by the right wing, the ridiculousness of the obsession just boggles the mind.

    Newdome (149264)

  136. This isn’t the UK, yet where the likes of Ehrenfeld
    and Tolstoi, are punished for publishing the truth.

    narciso (494474)

  137. #139 – If he were not a convicted bomber and perjurer; if he did not persistently lie about others’ actions; if he did not call people’s workplaces – and their spouses workplaces – to complain about people (and get them fired or scare the living daylights out of employers), maybe you’d have a reasonable position.

    Go back and read. The story’s convoluted, but it’s not impossible to follow.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  138. the ridiculousness of the obsession these leftist scum just boggles the my puny cocooned liberal mind.

    Newdome – FTFY. It is really no surprise that you are having trouble comprehending this story. Do the words epistemic closure mean anything to you?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  139. Insty has linked to that new site via a post called Velvet Revolution google warfare. Seems there’s a cut and paste comment already entered by “noname” (who is just asking questions) which is basically the same as “Newdome’s” comment above with minor modification.

    Oh yeah?

    “Noname”?

    Hover your cursor over the name Newdome in one of his comments and tell me what you see.

    Interesting.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  140. BU has a pretty detailed post that makes the whole “swating” thing look like a false flag operation.

    So, DSanon, is it your contention that Patterico conspired to turn in a false 911 call and police report?

    If so, have the guts to say as much right here, and present your evidence.

    If not, withdraw your comment and apologize.

    Chuck Bartowski (e1fdd9)

  141. My contention is that the “swated” (please note no SWAT was involved in these cases and PDs felt Andy and Barny were sufficient to investigate)are either players or being played in order to paint Burger King as Snidely Whiplash…

    DSanon (ba47f2)

  142. BU has a pretty detailed post that makes the whole “swating” thing look like a false flag operation.

    Sometimes I wonder if it is necessary to respond to such ridiculous lies. Every lie they tell is easily refuted. But the bad guys tell lies nonstop; is it incumbent on me to spend my entire life refuting them?

    My rule is: ignore the nonsense unless someone I respect wants me to respond.

    How does that sound?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  143. My contention is that the “swated” (please note no SWAT was involved in these cases and PDs felt Andy and Barny were sufficient to investigate)are either players or being played in order to paint Burger King as Snidely Whiplash…

    My contention is: huh?

    Patterico (feda6b)

  144. DSanon, is it your ‘contention’ that lying about the facts has the net effect of changing them?

    Icy (95c5f7)

  145. I’ve been hungry ever since the supper villain comment.

    gp (0c542c)

  146. And if so, then may I please introduce you to Mr Surls? Feel free to commiserate at will.

    Icy (95c5f7)

  147. My favorite supper villain is The Ribbler

    Icy (95c5f7)

  148. Newdome,

    I love it when historical facts like – purjurer, bomber, terrorist, become “rightie” facts.

    I wonder if your questions for Brett would include how many people did he think his bombs could of killed if a veteran didnt sacrifice himself for the greater good?

    EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc)

  149. and you think this is intimidation and attempts to silence free spech? By using the courts?

    One would almost think this guy has never heard of a SLAPP suit. Almost.

    Milhouse (312124)

  150. He’s also apparently never heard of vexatious litigants, abuse of process, and for that matter, perjury.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  151. I tend to think he is insincere in his concerns.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  152. That all sounds soooooo snide, but what does it really mean? Are you saying that Patterico deliberately conspired to create a fake call to 911? Or are you saying that some other puppetmaster is controlling the whole thing?

    What evidence do you have to support your contention? Please present your evidence here, and let us all take a look at it. Failing that, shut your pie hole.

    Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd)

  153. Let me put a finer point on it, DSanon:

    You came in here making vague claims. I won’t call you names or otherwise ridicule you, but I insist that you do the following: (a) make your claims specific and (b) provide evidence for your claims.

    You say:

    My contention is that the “swated” (please note no SWAT was involved in these cases and PDs felt Andy and Barny were sufficient to investigate)are either players or being played in order to paint Burger King as Snidely Whiplash…

    Now, this could mean several things. Are you saying that Patterico (one of the people on whose doorstep the sheriffs showed up) conspired with some unknown persons to falsify a call to 911? Or are you saying that someone friendly to Patterico did so? If not, then what exactly are you saying?

    And this “paint Burger King as Snidely Whiplash” business: are you saying that Bret Kimberlin is someone harmless and certain malevolent people are trying to make him look like a bad guy? If not, then what do you mean?

    Finally, where is your evidence? Don’t point me to another web site, put forth your evidence right here. Let us all hear what you have to say in your own words, and let us all determine whether your claims are credible.

    If you do that, then I will engage you in honest debate over the issue. If you fail to do it, then you are not a serious person and not worthy of further response.

    Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd)

  154. Sorry it took so long to get back to you Chuck but like I said, I have better things to do.
    Let me answer your questions.
    Yes.
    Most likely…
    and
    The same evidence you are using… Speculation (minus the innuendo) based on the facts as we know them.
    And it seems I am not the only thinking this way…

    osborneink.com/2012/06/is-the-swat-story-another-right-wing-prank.html

    DSanon (2c72ab)

  155. That is another link to one of OccupyRebellion/Sheridan/Rauhauser’s buddies.

    JD (9f41b2)

  156. DSanon is rather obviously another sockpuppet of the Brett Kimberlin Crime family.

    I’d advise no one to click on any of their links given the risks of malware and other malicious activities that these sociopaths brag about.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  157. So much loaded language and so little actual evidence… (of anything)

    DSanon (2c72ab)

  158. So much loaded language and so little actual evidence… (of anything)

    That is a concise and excellent description of the lies and smears you and yours traffic in.

    JD (318f81)

  159. Specifically, what are my “lies”?

    DSanon (2c72ab)

  160. DSanon:

    Specifically, what are my “lies”?

    Chuck Bartkowski:

    Now, this could mean several things. Are you saying that Patterico (one of the people on whose doorstep the sheriffs showed up) conspired with some unknown persons to falsify a call to 911?

    DSanon:

    Yes.

    Lie.

    Patterico (906cfb)

  161. Let me answer your questions.
    Yes.
    Most likely…
    and
    The same evidence you are using… Speculation (minus the innuendo) based on the facts as we know them.
    And it seems I am not the only thinking this way…

    So, Brett Kimberlin, a man who was convicted of setting 8 bombs around Speedway, Indiana, and was convicted of perjury is most likely harmless?

    You are either colossally stupid or you are a liar. I can’t think of any other explanation for why someone would make a statement like that.

    Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd)

  162. Get it right Patty.

    Chuckles: “Are you saying that Patterico (one of the people on whose doorstep the sheriffs showed up) conspired with some unknown persons to falsify a call to 911? Or are you saying that someone friendly to Patterico did so? If not, then what exactly are you saying?”

    My opinion.

    DSanon (2c72ab)


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